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Had a call from a police officer
in London
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wanting to speak to you
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about being a possible witness
in a murder investigation?
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Murder of whom?
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Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying
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that you did have a relationship
with him, or you didn't?
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Yes... I did.
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And did his wife know about this?
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Have you told the police
about the row that night? What row?
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I remember it all very clearly, Mum.
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Do you have any recollection
of what he was like?
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He could be... quite aggressive.
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With you?
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Why have you doubled-locked
the door, Marty?
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A week before her dad died,
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she'd come home from school
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to find a young man
who'd worked for Gerry in our flat.
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He told her
that he wanted to hurt her dad.
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I don't know what to say that
will best allow you to forgive me.
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Just the truth, Debs.
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It wasn't just a kiss.
We did sleep together.
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Oh!
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# All we do is hide away
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# All we do is
All we do is hide away
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# All we do is lie and wait
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# All we do is
All we do is lie and wait
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# I've been upside down
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# I don't want to be
The right way round
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# Can't find paradise
On the ground... #
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You know the rules, Elliot, mate.
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You do the numbers in the brackets
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first, yeah?
Yeah, I understand.
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Boys, we're leaving in...
five minutes.
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What time are you back tonight?
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Love?
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I know.
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Know what?
Everything.
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I spoke to Debbie again, so...
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..now I know.
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And I swear, the only chance
you have of saving anything,
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this, us...
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..a normal relationship with them,
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is if you tell me the truth,
if you tell me everything.
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So you have a think on that.
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We'll speak later tonight.
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Bye, boys!
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BOTH: Bye, Mum.
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Love you.
Love you, too.
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'Hi, you've reached Leanne.
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'Please leave a message
after the tone.'
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Hey, Leanne, it's me again. Erm...
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Listen, did I...?
Have I done something wrong?
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It just felt a bit odd
when I saw you in the canteen.
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Well, I wouldn't want anything
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to come in the way
of our friendship.
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Erm...
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So, anyway, I'm in Ireland
on the case for a couple of days,
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so hopefully,
let's talk when I get back.
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Right, take care, now. Bye.
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Hey.
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They've sent
one of their guys over here.
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Who have? British police,
they want to talk to you some more.
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Oh, OK.
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Wants to speak to you
this afternoon at the station,
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two o'clock. You good with that?
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Er, yeah.
Yeah, I think I can do that.
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You will be there -
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we're not gonna have any issues,
are we?
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Yeah, I'll be there, Joseph,
of course I will.
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Have a good day, now.
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OK, erm...
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Oh!
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Thanks for that. Bye, now.
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We have a match
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to DNA material found
on the sweatshirt of Gerry Cooper.
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To Marty Baines -
I'm setting up an arrest team.
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Not to Baines, or at least
his test result hasn't come in yet.
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The match we found is Asif Syed.
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OK...
Yeah.
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So you want him up here?
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ASAP, please. Yeah.
Boss.
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So, Taylor attacked a teacher
this morning.
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'Kicked and punched her
when she was given a detention.'
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So, very reluctantly,
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the school has had
to make the decision to expel her.
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Right. And has she already left?
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She's getting the train back
to London later today.
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OK, well,
thanks for letting me know.
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Bye, now.
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Is that the car park footage?
Yeah, er...
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Not having a huge amount of joy,
to be honest.
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Lots of footage
in the five weeks after the 24th,
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but all the vehicles entering
do so during the day.
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Right. Literally, the only one
that comes in at night is this...
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..at 03:29,
but that's a little over 20 hours
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before he was even reported missing.
You checked the reg?
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No, cos of the date.
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03:29 is an odd time for anyone
to be pulling into that car park.
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Might check the reg anyway.
OK. Cool.
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OK, in here in ten, please, guys.
Guv.
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This is nothing to do with you,
with this.
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It's me.
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I'm not who you think I am, Pat.
I am not a good person.
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Yeah, you are.
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No. I lie.
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Everyone lies.
Bad lies, for money.
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For a living - I lie for a living
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and pretend to be someone
I'm actually not.
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I mean, m-maybe I believed
some of it at the start,
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but everyone just always...
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He always wanted more,
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and you do it because you wanted
the attention or the status.
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They filled a hole,
but I really have to stop
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because pretending to think
the things I say I do,
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it's hollowing me out.
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SOFTLY: Mel...
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And I've also... I've done...
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I've done one truly terrible thing,
my love.
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What thing?
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Please.
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SOFTLY: You deserve
way, way better than me.
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I love you.
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And I...
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I love you, too, but I just...
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I can't.
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Mel?
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Mel!
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Mel?!
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YELLING: Mel!
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JESS: A storage facility?
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Yeah, Cooper suggested one
in an email.
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So there's no guarantee
that she took him up on it, but...
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"Geordie Stores."
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Business started in Newcastle,
apparently. Quality.
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But there's now a branch
on the Mile End Road,
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between his pub and her flat.
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And that email
is dated 3rd of February.
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Looking on BNC's website,
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Melinda's impending employment
was announced December.
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Now, she could have shipped
all her stuff to Ireland, but...
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Yeah, it's unlikely.
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Give them a call,
and see if she did rent a space.
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Sure.
Kaz?
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So, we have a car entering
Whitney Marsh car park
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in the middle of the night
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the day before
he was reported missing,
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which we all agree is odd -
doesn't fit with our timing.
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Except I've just found out
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that that car's plates
don't actually exist...
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Hmm. ..that they're either fake,
or they've been altered.
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And that is very odd.
Can you tell what make the car is?
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No obvious badge,
from what I can read,
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but we are checking other cameras
en route to the car park.
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Do we think this could have been
the killer scoping the site?
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Could be, but also...
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did we check when Juliet Cooper
actually last saw her husband?
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Are you thinking he might've
been killed the day before?
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And she might not have known,
if their paths hadn't crossed.
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To be fair,
I haven't seen Rob since Monday -
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he could definitely be dead.
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But do we not have proof
that he rang the brewery
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the day of his disappearance?
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I mean, the files say
we have a brewery employee
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that received a voicemail from him,
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but we don't actually know
it was from him, do we?
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OK, can you track down
that employee? Mm.
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And can we chase
the triangulation records?
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Yeah, Boss. And let's see
what cars our suspects drove in '21.
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Yeah, cool.
OK. Murray?
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So, I've been trying to track down
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the family that Cooper had
the violent dispute with. Good.
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Meanwhile, Martin Baines' mother
is in intensive care,
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suffering from the effects
of a barbiturates overdose.
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Self-administered?
Maybe,
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but they were crushed up
into a hot drink,
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which suggests to me an attempt
to hide their consumption. Maybe.
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And given that Baines
has also now disappeared,
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my guess would be "no".
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'Either way,
a search is underway for him.'
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Stupid Marty.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid. Stupid!
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Mum...
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I'm sorry, Mum! I...
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I just wanted to help.
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I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Sorry, sorry.
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Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Sorry, sorry.
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You OK, mate?
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Fine. Thank you for asking.
You sure?
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VOICEMAIL: 'This is Sunil Khan.
Please leave a message.'
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Hey, it's Leanne.
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Sorry I've not rung back.
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Erm, been a bit weird.
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And I know that sounds weird, but...
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I have shit in my life,
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shit that I probably
should have told you about, so...
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..let's meet when you're back.
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Sorry again.
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The day your husband disappeared,
do you remember any of your
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and indeed his movements
during the day?
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Just what I told
the original investigation. Mm-hm.
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And I went back on that,
and you detail everything
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from when you left work
the evening before very clearly,
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but you don't mention seeing him
the next morning.
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I'm just wondering
if you do remember seeing him then
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or indeed the night before.
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I think I might have mentioned it
if my husband hadn't come home.
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Right. Because when we first spoke,
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you mentioned
a meeting in Winchester
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he was supposed to be at
the day he disappeared? Yes.
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And generally speaking,
did he travel a lot for work?
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Yeah, a fair amount -
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drinks fairs, potential suppliers,
that kind of stuff.
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OK. And did he sometimes stay over?
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Sorry, where's this going?
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Well, we're just wondering
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if he might have actually
disappeared the day before.
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He sent a voicemail at 2:00
on the day he disappeared.
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Mm-hm. And we're...
we're looking into that.
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Well, as I say, I think I might
have noticed if he wasn't there.
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Maybe, yeah.
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My sense is, erm, your marriage
at this stage wasn't the closest.
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Your "sense"?
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Well, you'd become...
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very different people, no?
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We were fine.
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What is this?
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I don't know, I'm... I'm thinking
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maybe you thought
he'd kipped in the spare room,
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you left early to take Taylor to...
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Well, as I say,
it's not my recollection,
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but, listen, I can't stop you
having your little theories.
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No, you can't.
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And on the subject of Taylor,
I spoke to her school this morning.
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You did what?
I understand she's been expelled.
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What the hell are you doing,
speaking to my daughter's school?
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Well, because we'd like
to speak to her.
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OK, we're done.
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You're not speaking to Taylor.
Juliet...
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No, I'm sorry,
I've tried to be helpful,
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but you have pushed this too far.
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Now, she is a vulnerable child!
There's no need...
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I would like you to leave...
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..now, please,
unless you're gonna arrest me.
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Now...
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please.
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I will still want
to speak to Taylor...
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..but it'll be
with an appropriate adult,
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so she'll be fully protected
and supported.
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But this is a serious investigation,
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and attempts by anyone to hamper it
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will be considered as obstruction
or similar.
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Have a good day.
255
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Jules, have you got five?
256
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Fran?
257
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PHONE: 'Yeah, just to let you know,
Asif Syed is here.'
258
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OK. I'll be there in an hour.
259
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And you know that pub employee
who was travelling?
260
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Er... Brianna someone?
261
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'West, yes. She just called me back
with some interesting information.'
262
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What information?
'So, he did hit her.'
263
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Juliet, I mean.
Cooper definitely hit his wife.
264
00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,960
And given that you've refused to
accept the early retirement offer,
265
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960
the board have now
come to a decision.
266
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,960
Which is that we're
going to suspend you,
267
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pending an external investigation
into your conduct.
268
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What the fuck?!
You utter prick!
269
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Oh, you are so done.
270
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,000
No, you are done, Paul,
because you will not win this,
271
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neither you
nor Lizzie fucking Jones!
272
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I will fight you all the way,
and I will destroy you.
273
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,960
I want your desk cleared now.
274
00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,960
Wow.
JESS: 'Yeah.'
275
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I mean, despite everything,
I'm still shocked.
276
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Right. Why?
277
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,960
Well... Well, because,
I mean, she doesn't present as,
278
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,960
I don't know, the sort of woman
279
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who would put up
with that sort of thing.
280
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What sort of woman
should she be, then?
281
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,960
Sorry, I mean...
I mean, any woman can be a victim
282
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of domestic abuse.
Yeah, of course.
283
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,960
Blokes don't do it
because you're weak
284
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or submissive.
Jess...
285
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They do it because they can.
286
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,160
'Er, I'm sorry. Sorry.'
287
00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,960
No, my bad.
'No, no, really, it's...'
288
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,960
It's just things are...
289
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,960
So, do we think that
290
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,960
what Brianna West saw
was a one-off, or...?
291
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,960
Well, she certainly
only saw it once,
292
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,640
but it rarely is that, is it?
No.
293
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,960
So I think it might be worth
pressing Melinda again.
294
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Will do.
295
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,960
And I'm also speaking
to social services
296
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about how best to handle
speaking with the daughter.
297
00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,960
I mean,
she must have seen some stuff,
298
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,960
we just need to know what.
299
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960
Surely, I have some legal right
300
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960
to not want my very vulnerable child
301
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,960
interviewed
about her murdered father.
302
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,800
And I understand
all of your concerns, Mrs Cooper,
303
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,960
but if the police believe she may
have relevant information, she...
304
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,960
So, can I insist
I sit in with her?
305
00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,960
You can ask,
306
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,960
but obviously,
if you yourself are...
307
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,480
a person of interest,
308
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,960
they'll almost certainly say no
and appoint a social worker instead.
309
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,960
Oh, thank you.
310
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,960
Hey.
311
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,960
Er, Mel...
312
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,960
..I think maybe it's best
if you don't come here any more.
313
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,480
What?
314
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,800
See, after what happened
with you and Patrick...
315
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,960
..and now this other business
with the British police...
316
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960
It's a very small community.
317
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,960
I think maybe it would be better if
you found somewhere else to worship.
318
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,960
But this is my church.
319
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,960
Just, people are really talking now.
320
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960
I'm so sorry.
321
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,960
Yeah, so their previous address
was...
322
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,640
Flat 6, 32 Altringham Gardens,
323
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,000
but what I'm really after
is if they left a forwarding one.
324
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,000
PHONE: 'Sure. Can you hold the line,
please, sir?'
325
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,800
So, when we spoke to you
over Zoom a few days ago,
326
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,000
we asked you about the nature of
your relationship with Gerry Cooper.
327
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,960
Do you recall that?
Of course.
328
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,960
And you said,
"Our relationship was brief,
329
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960
"a few weeks, two months at most."
330
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,960
Do you remember telling us that?
Yes.
331
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,960
So, is there anything
that you want to add,
332
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,640
anything you might want to change,
since you last spoke to us?
333
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,960
Yes, erm...
That wasn't entirely true.
334
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960
OK, which bit?
335
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,000
That the relationship only lasted...
336
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,960
..a couple of months.
337
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960
How long did it last?
338
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,960
Erm...
339
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,160
Maybe it would be useful
if I told you
340
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,000
that we have a lot
of Mr Cooper's emails and texts
341
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,960
from 2017 up until his death.
342
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960
Yeah.
343
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,960
We saw each other on and off
between 2018 and...
344
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,960
..yeah, just before he disappeared.
OK, thank you.
345
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,960
So, why did you lie?
346
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,960
I panicked.
347
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,960
I'd seen in the papers
that it was a murder inquiry.
348
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
I was scared.
349
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,000
I was scared that...
350
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,960
..I might be someone
that you might suspicious about.
351
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,640
So, you saw each other for a period
of, er, what, maybe four years?
352
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,960
Yes.
OK.
353
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,000
And you told us that
354
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,960
the relationship...
just sort of fizzled out.
355
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,960
Yes.
Was that true?
356
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
Yeah, I...
357
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,640
I just ended up getting bored
of him. OK.
358
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,960
So he definitely never hit you?
359
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,160
No, I already told you.
360
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,960
You've already told me a lot of
things, and most of those are lies.
361
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,000
No.
362
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,800
Because we have evidence to suggest
that he did hit his wife.
363
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,960
We know that he attacked
one of his best friends
364
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,800
and was cautioned for that.
And we also have evidence that
365
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,960
he used violence
against some of his tenants, so...
366
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,960
Well, he never hit me.
OK.
367
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,960
Did he ever try to extort money
from you, Melinda? No.
368
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960
Well, maybe...
369
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,480
..you can explain
what he meant in these messages?
370
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960
No, I...
371
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,960
..I can't explain these.
You don't remember them?
372
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960
No. Well, it looks like
he's asking you for money
373
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,960
and then threatening you
if you didn't give it to him.
374
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,960
I have no recollection of this.
What was he threatening you with?
375
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Like I say... I mean, we know
he was in huge financial trouble...
376
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,960
Yeah, I have
no recollection of this.
377
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,960
OK.
378
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,800
So, you flew to Cork
on the 2nd of March. Mm.
379
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Bringing forward a flight originally
booked for two months later.
380
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320
So what prompted
that change of plan?
381
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,960
Oh, I... I just wanted
more time to get settle in
382
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,960
before I started work.
383
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,960
And then when you were here,
384
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,480
how did you find out about
Gerry Cooper's disappearance?
385
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,960
I can't remember.
Oh.
386
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Well, you said that a mutual friend
had rung and told you about it.
387
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,960
Oh, er...
Yes, I mean, maybe they did.
388
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,800
OK. Which friend?
389
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,960
Oh, I can't remember.
Lots you don't remember.
390
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,960
Yes.
391
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960
OK.
392
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,160
And did you ever meet his wife,
Juliet?
393
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,960
No, why would I have?
394
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Maybe she found out about your
affair, got in touch with you? No.
395
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960
OK. Last question.
396
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,960
You have a storage facility
in the UK.
397
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960
We'd like to search it.
398
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960
We can get a warrant
or you can just give us permission,
399
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,960
whichever you prefer?
400
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960
That's my personal stuff.
You wanna search it...
401
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,960
you get a fucking warrant.
402
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,960
There's something you should know.
403
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,960
People know
each other's business here.
404
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Secrets are hard to keep,
405
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,960
which is something Melinda Ricci
singularly failed to grasp. OK.
406
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,960
So if you wanna know her secrets,
speak to Father Ryan.
407
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
He's been keeping her
very good company
408
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,960
since Paddy got injured.
409
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,160
As I say, it... it may be nothing,
but I thought I should mention it.
410
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,960
No, absolutely.
411
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Erm, so, can I just ask...
412
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,960
why was he there, your dad, at...
3:30 in the morning?
413
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960
He worked shifts
at a service station,
414
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,960
and that was the route
he cycled home. Right, OK.
415
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000
And, yeah,
he said the following day
416
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,960
that he'd surprised someone
heaving something into the marsh
417
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,480
and it felt a bit weird.
418
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,960
So, er, notwithstanding his stroke,
Susan,
419
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,160
if you think he'd be up for it,
I'd love to talk to him.
420
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,960
'Afternoon. DS Fran Lingley.'
421
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,480
I'm just trying to get
some information
422
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960
on whether you're storing anything
here belonging to a Melinda Ricci.
423
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,480
So, the swab you gave us, Asif...
Mr Syed.
424
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,320
Apologies.
The swab you gave us, Mr Syed,
425
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,960
was compared against DNA evidence
taken from the sweatshirt
426
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,960
worn by Gerry Cooper the night
he was assaulted outside his pub.
427
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,960
And we found a match.
Your DNA is on the sweatshirt.
428
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960
What's your response to that?
No comment.
429
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,960
Was it you that attacked Mr Cooper
that night?
430
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,960
No comment.
431
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,960
If it wasn't you,
can you tell me how else
432
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,960
your DNA might have ended up
on his sweatshirt?
433
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,640
No comment.
434
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Maybe you came in to contact
with him some other way that day?
435
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,640
No comment.
436
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Perhaps he attacked you,
you acted in self-defence?
437
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960
No comment.
438
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,960
OK. Let's move on from that, then.
Erm...
439
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960
I'd like to ask you again
about the Dowari family.
440
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,960
When was the last time
you would have seen them?
441
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,960
When I stopped working
for Thamesford Borough Council.
442
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960
Which was in September 2020?
443
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Yes.
Yeah.
444
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,160
So, we have a witness
who also worked for the council,
445
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,320
who said they bumped into you
in January 2021,
446
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,800
and you told them that you were
still helping the Dowaris even then.
447
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960
They're mistaken.
448
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,800
The Dowaris would say the same,
would they? Yes.
449
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Cos, you see, I think they wouldn't.
450
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960
I think they would say that,
very generously,
451
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,960
you continued to help them.
452
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960
No comment.
453
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320
My guess is that the assault
on Gerard Cooper
454
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,960
outside his pub was in revenge
455
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,000
for how you felt Cooper
was treating the Dowari family.
456
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,160
Is that the case?
457
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,960
No comment.
458
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960
And my fear is, Mr Syed,
459
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,960
because I do believe,
at heart, you are a decent man...
460
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960
My fear is that three weeks
after that first assault,
461
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,640
you went back
and attacked Mr Cooper again.
462
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,960
Is that the case?
No comment.
463
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Perhaps something happened
with the Dowari family
464
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,960
that really got to you,
and you went back to find Mr Cooper,
465
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
and this time, things went too far.
466
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,960
No comment.
467
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,320
Maybe he fought back this time.
No comment.
468
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Or maybe it was self defence
from you again.
469
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,960
No comment.
470
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Either way, you returned, Mr Syed,
471
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,640
and that second visit
led to Mr Cooper's death.
472
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960
No comment.
473
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960
EXHALING: OK. Erm...
474
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,960
So, just before I came into
this interview,
475
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480
I got a call
from one of my officers,
476
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
who has managed to find
a current address
477
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960
for the Dowari family,
478
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,960
and he's on the way over to them
right now to try and speak to them.
479
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,960
So is there anything else
that you would like to add now
480
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,000
to what you've already told me?
481
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,960
No comment.
482
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Right.
483
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,960
We'll leave things there
for now, then.
484
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
My front light had gone...
Right.
485
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
..which is why
they wouldn't have seen me coming.
486
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,960
And when you say "they"...?
487
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960
No, sorry,
there was only one of them.
488
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960
OK. And was that a man or a woman?
489
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Oh, I got no idea.
490
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
It was raining,
491
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
and they had their hood up,
and they were wearing a COVID mask.
492
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,160
And obviously, it was also night,
and so...
493
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640
So, what...
what exactly did you see?
494
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
They had their back to me,
495
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,960
and they was leaning over a bag,
496
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,960
and they were removing something
from it. Mm.
497
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,960
But when they heard me coming,
498
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960
from, what, 30 or 40 feet away...
499
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960
..erm...
500
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960
..they... they stop...
what they were doing,
501
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,960
and they look at me.
502
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,960
And then they put whatever it was
back in the bag very quickly.
503
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,960
And then they stood up,
504
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,960
and they pick up the bag...
505
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,960
..and then walk towards me
but with their head down.
506
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000
So you didn't actually see them
throw anything in?
507
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,960
Oh, well, no,
but I did think that it was so odd
508
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,960
that after I passed them...
509
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,960
I turned back and watched them
walk into the darkness.
510
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,800
And then maybe 20 seconds later,
I heard "splash".
511
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,800
And two minutes after that,
I heard a car start up.
512
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,960
OK. And anything else?
513
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Oh. Nothing else springs to mind
at the moment, no.
514
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,960
But how... how about
if I check my diary?
515
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,960
Your diary?
516
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Yeah, it...
517
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Till I had my stroke,
I kept a daily diary.
518
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,160
And that might have
the specific day that this happened?
519
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
No, no, not "might", it would.
520
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,960
It's Martin, isn't it?
Oh, hello.
521
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,960
I used to see you in the pub, Marty.
522
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Do you remember me? Clemmie.
523
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Where's it gone?
524
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Oh, well, it's flats now, lovely.
525
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Yeah, the brewery sold it.
I was looking for his wife.
526
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Oh, Juliet moved.
Er, Spitalfields, I think.
527
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Thank you very much, madam.
528
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,960
What... What even is that?
529
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,960
Sounds like something
you clean a paintbrush with.
530
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,960
'Moral turpitude
is deviant behaviour, Melinda.'
531
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,960
'Deviant?'
532
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,960
Constituting an immoral,
unethical or unjust departure
533
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960
from ordinary social standards
as would shock a community.
534
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Sorry, is this me fucking the priest
or the murder investigation?
535
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
'Tell you what, you choose.
536
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,480
'Either way,
you've got four weeks' notice,
537
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320
'which is four more than the board
wanted to give you, so...
538
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
'you can thank me in another life.'
539
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Yeah...
540
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,960
..it's true.
541
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,960
Everything Debbie said?
Yeah.
542
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,320
And more.
543
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,960
"And more"?
544
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,640
OK, er, I wanna be completely honest
with you now, Jessie,
545
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,960
because until I am,
I know we can't move forward.
546
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,960
I'm all ears.
547
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,320
And I'm telling you this now
because it's all in the past.
548
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960
This isn't... who I am today,
549
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960
this isn't who I've been
since Debbie,
550
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960
and this isn't
who I ever will be... again.
551
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,000
But...
552
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960
..there were other women.
553
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960
None of them ever meant anything,
but...
554
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,160
..there were others.
555
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
My, er... therapist...
556
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960
CHUCKLING DRILY: Your fucking what?
Yeah.
557
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,960
I've been talking
to an online therapist
558
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,960
ever since all that stuff
with your sister came out.
559
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,000
It's really been helping me.
560
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Oh, I am pleased
561
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Helping me realise...
562
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,960
..that I've got an addiction.
563
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Please, God, you're not gonna
tell me you have a sex addiction.
564
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,960
LAUGHING: Oh, my God, Steve.
565
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,800
You awful fucking cliche.
566
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Jessie, I'm telling you this
567
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960
because I wanna be
completely honest with you
568
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,960
so we can start with a clean slate.
569
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Start what with a clean slate?
570
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Rebuilding our marriage, obviously.
571
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,960
Well...
572
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,960
I wanna thank you, Steve,
for making this all so...
573
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,960
easy for me.
574
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960
SOFTLY: No.
We're done.
575
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960
For good. Forever.
576
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,960
Jess... So you will need to find
somewhere to stay tonight.
577
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Erm, you can come around tomorrow
while I'm at work
578
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960
and pack up whatever you need
for the next few months, and I'll...
579
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,960
I'll speak to a lawyer first thing
and get the ball rolling.
580
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,960
So you don't wanna talk,
give things a go,
581
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
listen to what I've got to say?
582
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960
I couldn't care less
what you have to say,
583
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,960
you bore, you narcissist,
you fucking child.
584
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,640
I am now, and will be
from this day forward,
585
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,960
as interested in you as you clearly
were in me over the last few years.
586
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Please, go ahead,
shag as many women as you want.
587
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,960
I hope it's as meaningless
and hollow as you say it was.
588
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960
It's the most you deserve.
589
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,960
JULIET: All I'm saying is you have
to learn to control your temper.
590
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Please. You taught me well, Mum.
591
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,960
"I" taught you?
Dad did angry.
592
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,640
You did... fury.
593
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Listen, I need to, erm...
594
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,000
I think the police are going to
want to speak to you,
595
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,960
so, again, if you could...
596
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,960
..just say what we agreed?
597
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
You want me to lie for you?
No, I just...
598
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960
This is the Met, Tay,
so much as I would love to say,
599
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960
"Just tell the truth,
and everything'll be fine..."
600
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,960
Just... say you don't remember
anything that happened that night.
601
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Because we cannot give them
an opportunity to fuck up our lives.
602
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
But I am so sorry, sweetheart.
603
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,960
I can't even cry.
604
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,960
What does that say?
605
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,960
That you already knew.
You've already grieved.
606
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
But still, what a colossal prick.
607
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,000
So, listen, tonight, I'm staying,
608
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,800
and tomorrow,
we get the locks changed,
609
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,960
and I'll grab some stuff
from my place,
610
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960
and I'll stay for a couple of weeks,
611
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,960
until we work out
how to get you through this.
612
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Hey?
613
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
I just want you to know
you're not on you're own.
614
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,960
We're in this together.
615
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,960
So, listen, Father,
616
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
I don't wanna involve you
in a murder investigation.
617
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,960
In a...? I really don't want
to have Officer Kane
618
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
bring you down to the station,
have people gossiping about you.
619
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,960
I have done nothing wrong.
620
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960
But I need some information.
621
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,960
What information?
622
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,640
I know you got close to Melinda,
623
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160
and you've been a good...
friend to her.
624
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,960
DI Khan...
625
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960
I don't need to know
anything more about that.
626
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,960
But good friends
tell each other things, don't they?
627
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Yes.
628
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
They do.
629
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Yes, they do.
630
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,160
So...
631
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,960
..did she tell you
why she came out here so suddenly,
632
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,960
why she changed her flight
and got one two months earlier?
633
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,960
OK, so, I didn't know
she'd done that,
634
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960
and she never mentioned anything
about changing a flight.
635
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,160
But, erm...
636
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,960
And this was told to me
as her friend...
637
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960
..not as her priest.
638
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,320
She had a long relationship
before she moved out...
639
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960
..with a married man.
640
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960
And she had a baby with him.
641
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,960
Hello? Hello?
642
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Why am I still here?
643
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960
I have done nothing wrong!
Why am I still here?!
644
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Hey.
645
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,960
What are you doing?
I have nothing to say to you.
646
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,960
I'm sorry I lost my temper.
647
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960
If we can't disagree agreeably,
then we're all sunk.
648
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960
I'm sorry about the book, too.
649
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Maybe part of it was provocative.
650
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,160
You know, maybe, subconsciously,
651
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
I did choose it deliberately.
Who knows?
652
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,960
It is a good read, though.
653
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,960
I think... the older you get...
654
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,960
the harder it is
to keep adapting to change.
655
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960
You bend and you bend
and you bend
656
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,960
and then one day, you just...
657
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
..you snap.
658
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000
But... I'm sorry.
659
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,960
You were right. I was wrong.
660
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,000
And as your tutor,
I should have done better.
661
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Just wanted to say that.
662
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,960
It's hard for us, too...
663
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960
..to see so little change -
real change, I mean.
664
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,160
Still getting taught
the same shitty degree you were,
665
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
except ours costs 50 grand,
and it doesn't even get us a job.
666
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
And actually,
we don't even get taught it
667
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,320
because everyone's always on strike.
668
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,640
So we're angry, too... and scared...
669
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,960
..that we're gonna get it wrong...
670
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960
get caught out, get left out.
671
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
But I don't want you
to lose your job.
672
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640
We all just...
673
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,960
We wanna be heard.
674
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,960
And you are.
675
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,160
Loud and clear.
676
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Oh, and, yeah, it is...
677
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,480
..a good book.
678
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,160
DCI James?
'Juliet, hi.'
679
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,960
I've, er, spoken to social services,
and we now have someone available
680
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
to sit with Taylor
while we have a talk with her.
681
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
'So when will be a good time
for you to bring her in?'
682
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Can we get the luminol
in here, please?
683
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,960
So, it is blood,
we just need to know whose.
684
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,320
'You really think
it could be Cooper's?'
685
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Listen, if she had a baby with him,
they're telling us,
686
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,960
then nothing's off the table.
687
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960
So, I pull her back in now?
688
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,960
'Do you think she'd be
a flight risk?'
689
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
No idea.
690
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960
'Right, let's just wait
for the results.'
691
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960
OK. Speak later.
692
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960
Sorry, can I help you?
No.
693
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Thank you very much for asking.
694
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,960
The blood on Melinda Ricci's jacket,
it belonged to Gerard Cooper.
695
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,640
Melinda Ricci, you're under arrest
on suspicion of murder.
696
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,960
You're not obliged to say anything
unless you wish to do so.
697
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,960
Whatever you say
will be taken down in writing
698
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,960
and may be given in evidence.
699
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Gonna have to put the cuffs on you,
I'm afraid, Mel.
700
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,320
I didn't do it.
701
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,960
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