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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Dead? It wasn't Martin! Cos he was... 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,960 I said shut up, noisy bitch... 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,960 I don't want to get into trouble. I don't want you to either. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,800 So should I lie, then? 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,960 There was an Afghan family who had a long-running dispute with him. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Really boiled over. 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,960 You should start with the guy that interpreted for them. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Hiya. 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Oh. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 All I have done is walk into my house, 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,960 and I've found an illegal immigrant. 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,960 And how many times? 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,320 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 14 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,960 to cross the channel however they want to. 15 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,960 I don't know what to say that will best allow you to forgive me. 16 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Just the truth, Debs. 17 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,160 We did sleep together. 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 Sorry. It's just, I... 19 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Night, dollface. 20 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Can I just ask you 21 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,960 if you ever thought your husband might have been having an affair? 22 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,960 What the hell sort of question's that? 23 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,960 A few months before he disappeared, he'd seen him with another woman. 24 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,960 He said he'd introduced her to him as "Melinda". 25 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Cos a row that got out of hand about infidelity, 26 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:03,160 it's just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 27 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,960 I don't know if they're listening to this, 28 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:10,320 but don't say anything about Daddy. 29 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,800 I would like to take my break now, please, 30 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,160 so that I can get my story straight. 31 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,960 # All we do is hide away 32 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:32,320 # All we do is All we do is hide away 33 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:34,960 # All we do is lie and wait 34 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:40,800 # All we do is All we do is lie and wait 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,960 # I've been upside down 36 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,960 # I don't want to be The right way round 37 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,960 # Can't find paradise On the ground... # 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,960 I just find it rather hard 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,960 to square Juliet Cooper's description of their relationship 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:09,960 with what Prentice told me. Hm. 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Ditto the bar manager. Ditto her. 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Husbands and wives are allowed 43 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,960 to have different political opinions. No way 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,960 But that diametrically opposed? 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,960 Although we're assuming that Juliet's who she says she is. 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Yeah, I'm just asking if... 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,960 maybe this was a toxic marriage, perhaps violent, perhaps coercive, 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,960 that finally imploded? 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,960 Where are we on his girlfriend? 50 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,320 So, our Melinda, is Melinda Ricci. 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Peachy Ricci? Yeah. SOFTLY: "Peachy"? 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,960 She had a column in the Mail a few years back. 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,960 She's like a BTEC kind of Katie Hopkins, 54 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,320 working for a cable channel now. 55 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,960 You think that they met through this forum that Cooper set up? 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,000 UK United, yes. 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,960 Cooper is in the background of the viral video about the retweet. 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Do we have an address for her? 59 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Well, I spoke to an HR guy at BNC, her current employers. 60 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,160 They're based in Docklands, but she dials in her contribution 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,960 from her home about ten miles west of Cork, apparently. 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Hm. 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,960 Er, OK. Contact regional Garda. 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,800 See if they can get local plod down to set up a Zoom with her. 65 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,960 And check if they have anything on her in their systems, too. Yeah. 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,800 And as much background as you can find before we speak to her, please. 67 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,960 Yeah, sure. 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 That's mad. I know. 69 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,960 So, you mentioned your dad earlier, Marty. 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,960 Yes, I mentioned my dad earlier. 71 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 I'm guessing he's always been a great support to you. Mm. 72 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,960 He has, yes. So I'm wondering, 73 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,960 did maybe your dad go and speak to Mr Cooper about the money? 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,960 You OK, Marty? 75 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,960 I-I'm fine, thank you for asking. 76 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Did he go and speak to Gerry for you? 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 No, he never went to see Gerry. 78 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,960 You seem a bit upset at these questions. 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Marty? 80 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Well, he couldn't go and see Gerry, could he? 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,640 Why not? 82 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,960 I think we should probably take a little break. 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,960 Cos he was dead. 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Because Gerry made him be dead. 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Why am I even at that school, anyway? 86 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 You're supposed to be a fucking socialist. 87 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Taylor, not this, not now - we'll miss your train. 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,000 I loathe that school. 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,960 I loathe everything it stands for, and you should too. 90 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,960 Or is that all a lie as well? 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Gerry told me the vaccine was a plot to control us 92 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,960 that contained micro-transmitters, and that we should not take it. 93 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,960 When did he say this? Whenever I went to see him to get my money. 94 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Did he tell you not to take it? Yes, he told me not to take it. 95 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Did he suggest that your parents shouldn't take it, too? 96 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,960 No, he didn't do that. 97 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,800 I did that. 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,960 But maybe you told your mum and dad not to take it 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,000 because of what he said to you? Yes. 100 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Did they listen to you? 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,960 My mum and dad were offered the vaccine at the end of January, 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,320 and they, they refused it. 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,960 On the second of February, Dad got COVID 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,800 and was admitted to Dover Royal Hospital week... a week later 105 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,960 with severe respiratory difficulties. 106 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,960 On the 19th of February, 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Dad died. 108 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 All on his Jack Jones. 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Thomas Henry Baines was 76. 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,000 I'm so sorry for your loss. 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,960 We both are, Marty. 112 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,960 He had a good innings, as they say. 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 So... on top of the money... 114 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,960 ..you now had the awful tragedy of your dad dying. 115 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,960 Yes, this is correct. 116 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,960 How did you feel about Gerry at this point? 117 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960 No good crying over spilt milk. 118 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Were you not angry with him? 119 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,480 Because I'm wondering... 120 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,320 I'm wondering if maybe you arranged to meet him somewhere on the 24th? 121 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,480 No. 122 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Not to tell him about your dad? Not because you were angry? 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,960 No. Maybe... Maybe you rowed? 124 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,960 You know, er, maybe he'd pushed you again, 125 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,960 and it all got out of control? 126 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,960 SOFTLY: No. No, no, no, no, no... 127 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,960 I think he's answered your questions, 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,960 so unless you've got any evidence you haven't mentioned, 129 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,960 I think we bring this to a close. 130 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Let's RUI him for now and do some more background on that arrest. 131 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,960 We'd better head. 132 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Hey, Mel. Hey, Joseph. How you doing? 133 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Good, thanks. You? Er, yeah, I'm fine. 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,000 How's your man doing? 135 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,960 Slow but steady. 136 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,000 Father Ryan being very supportive, I hear. 137 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,960 How can I help you, Joseph? 138 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Had a call from a police officer in London wanting to speak to you 139 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,960 about being a possible witness in a murder investigation. 140 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Wow. Murder of whom? 141 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,320 A man called Gerard Cooper. 142 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,960 Yeah, I-I knew Gerry. 143 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,960 He-He went missing a few years back. 144 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Just before you came over here, they said. Right. 145 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,960 They asked if you could make yourself available for a Zoom, 146 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:36,960 tomorrow at four. 147 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,320 Yeah. Yeah, I-I-I think I could do that. 148 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,960 So just drop by the station, we'll take care of everything our end, 149 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,480 and I'll sit in with you. 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,320 I mean, do... do I need a lawyer? 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Entirely up to you. See you tomorrow. 152 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Oh, Murray's just forwarded me an email from the lettings agency. 153 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,960 So, the lettings agent thinks police were called 154 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,960 to the dispute she told him about. 155 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,960 OK. So this guy Asif would remember that too, no? 156 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Look, these are absolutely top quality. 157 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,960 From the same factory that makes the genuine article. 158 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,160 And, er, the passport... 159 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,960 ..how much? 160 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Well, the passport, driver's licence and the national insurance card 161 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,960 I can do you for 7K. 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,960 We do also offer finance options, 163 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,960 if that was something you were interested in. 164 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,960 A lot of people go for a five-year repayment schedule, 165 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:47,960 which makes it very affordable. 166 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,960 We're also happy to accept late-term payments if that worked better... 167 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,960 Out the back now. Now! 168 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 Now! 169 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Hi. Hi. Asif Syed? 170 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Yes. DCI Jess James, and this is DI Sunil Khan. 171 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat? 172 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,640 Er, yes, maybe. About what, please? 173 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,960 It's in connection with a murder investigation. 174 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 We think you might have known the victim. 175 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,960 Who was the victim? 176 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,960 Could we come in? Yes. Yes, please, of course. 177 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,640 'It's the fucking Matrix, buddy. 178 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,960 'They're trying to shut your voice down cos you're a strong man. 179 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,960 'So what do you need to do?' I need to be one step ahead, man. 180 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,960 'Be ahead or be dead, dude. Be ahead or be dead.' 181 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,960 UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 182 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:03,960 UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 183 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,160 Ahead or be dead. 184 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,320 This is him. Name of Gerard Cooper. 185 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Yes, I... I think I remember him. 186 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,960 And what do you think your connection to him was? 187 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,960 I work as an interpreter. 188 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,960 And back then, 189 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,320 I worked with tenants whose rent was being paid by the council. 190 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,960 Er... I think he was one of the landlords. 191 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Erm... what council was that? Thamesford. 192 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,960 OK. And can you remember specifically 193 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 when you might have encountered Mr Cooper? 194 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,960 I would have to check. OK. Roughly, then? 195 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,960 I think maybe it was early on in the pandemic. 196 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,960 Maybe the first year. 197 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,960 I have a vague recollection of some COVID-related issues. 198 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,960 OK, so it was 2020. Yes. 199 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Do you have any recollection of what he was like? 200 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Er, I mean... I must've met dozens of landlords 201 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,800 in the three or four years I was in London. 202 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Because the agency that managed his portfolio said he was quite tricky. 203 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Did they? You don't remember that? 204 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:44,960 I remember, erm... 205 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,960 ..he wasn't very good at maintaining his properties. 206 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,000 The agency said that. 207 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Anything else? Erm... 208 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 He could be... quite aggressive. With you? 209 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,800 With the tenants, who obviously were often very vulnerable people. 210 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,960 And physically aggressive? No. I never saw that. 211 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Because we have an agent who gave us details of several cases 212 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,960 where disputes had blown up. 213 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,320 One in particular, 214 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,000 which was a family of asylum seekers from Herat, 215 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,960 where it had turned violent. 216 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Which family? The Dowari family. 217 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,160 UNDER BREATH: Dowari... 218 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,960 As I say, I must've dealt with many dozens of cases. 219 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Most of them were fractious. 220 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,960 Except the police were called to this one. 221 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,960 It was a dispute about a chronic damp problem. 222 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,960 The family had a toddler, a newborn. 223 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 It was making them all sick. 224 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,000 The police getting involved wasn't that rare, sadly. OK. 225 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,960 Quite a distinctive case, but you've no memory of that at all? 226 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,640 They all just merge into one. Sorry. No worries. 227 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,480 And when was the last time you think you might've seen Mr Cooper? 228 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,960 My contract with the council ended in September 2020, 229 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,480 so not after that. 230 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Right. And, erm... 231 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,960 Do you mind me asking what your nationality is, Asif? 232 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 I hope to very soon be British. 233 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Oh. Well, good for you. 234 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,960 And welcome. This can be a fabulous country. 235 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,960 Yes, it can. And thank you. 236 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 And before that, where are you from? Afghanistan. 237 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,960 OK. Well, that must have been tough, 238 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,160 to see your fellow countrymen and countrywomen, 239 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,960 vulnerable people, being mistreated often by this man. 240 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Of course. 241 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Did it make you angry, or...? 242 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,960 If I got angry every time I saw a refugee being treated badly... 243 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,000 ..I'd be living in a permanent state of rage, DI Khan. 244 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,000 Thanks for your time. 245 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,960 I think we need more detail on this Dowari case. Mm-hm. 246 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,960 Sam... Who was that? 247 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,960 Social services. They wanted some gen on a client. 248 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Can... Can we talk, please? Sure. 249 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out after he comes home from work today, 250 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,960 and if you can minimise any future contact with him, then... 251 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,960 ..yeah, I'm happy to just move on. 252 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,960 And if I don't agree to that? 253 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,960 OK, why... why do you immediately have to turn this into a conflict? 254 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,640 Says the man who's just given me an ultimatum. No. 255 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,960 It's not an ultimatum. No. 256 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,960 You're not going to hold a gun to my head 257 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,960 because I did right by a man who saved your life 258 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960 on at least two occasions. OK. Asif... 259 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,960 And you know what really winds me up? 260 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,960 It's that you think you can do this. 261 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,960 Do what? 262 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,960 Just tell me how it's going to be. 263 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960 You don't even consider the idea of finding another way through. 264 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 No. Is that not exactly what we're trying to do right now? 265 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,960 What, telling me what's going to happen? 266 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Not really, Sam. 267 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,960 I'll play by the same rules. 268 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,960 No. 269 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Hassan's not going anywhere. 270 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 But... this is my house. 271 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,960 Then call the police. 272 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,800 I mean, I never really believed him. 273 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960 But there was always just enough ambiguity 274 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,960 to make me think we could get through it. 275 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Except now... 276 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 ..if he could have done that... 277 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,960 ..he could do anything. 278 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,960 So? So... 279 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,640 What do I do? 280 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 So, digging into the Marty Baines' caution 281 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,960 and it gets interesting. 282 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,000 In 2016, he studied a foundation course in computer programming 283 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,960 at the University of Ramsgate, but eight months in, 284 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,960 he's asked to leave after he starts to regularly pick the locks 285 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,960 of the rooms of his fellow students in his halls and enter their rooms. 286 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,960 Right. Now, he's not trying to steal anything. 287 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,960 They're just coming back from the pub at night 288 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 to find Marty sitting on their beds in their rooms. 289 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,960 Jesus. Mm. 290 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,320 Male or female? Both. 291 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,960 Not at all scary. 292 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,960 And how many times did this happen? 293 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,320 Well, the university weren't really sure. 294 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,960 Some students thought that maybe they had forgotten 295 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,960 to lock their rooms 296 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,960 and so treated it more like Marty wandering in uninvited 297 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,800 and so didn't report it. 298 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,800 But there are three formal cases. 299 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Was there ever any violence? 300 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Not from him, and not from any of the other students, 301 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,960 until the last incident. 302 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Which was? 303 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,960 So, one bloke comes back from the pub, pissed up, 304 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,320 to find Marty in his room and kind of loses it. 305 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Calls him all kinds of stuff, 306 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,960 which ends up with Marty trying to strangle him. 307 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,480 Whoa. What, like, properly strangle? 308 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 Yeah. He has to be pulled away by the guy's mates. 309 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Takes three of them, apparently. Wow. 310 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,960 How come he only got a caution? 311 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960 So, the student didn't wanna pursue anything. 312 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960 He admitted to the investigating officer 313 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,960 that he'd used "inappropriate language about disability" 314 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,960 and was scared it was gonna be brought up in court. 315 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Mm. And do we know why Marty was doing this? 316 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,640 He said he was just looking for a friend to talk to. 317 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,960 In terms of any potential link to violence, 318 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,960 I've just received the evidence list for the assault on Cooper 319 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,960 in his pub car park. Oh, yeah? What we got? 320 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Well, we've got Cooper's sweatshirt, and they've taken DNA off it, 321 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,960 so we've material for comparison. Nice one, thanks. 322 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,960 So, Melinda Ricci. Tell me stuff. 323 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,960 OK, so, born in 1978 324 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,640 in a small market town in Surrey. 325 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Went to a local Catholic girls' school, got decent As. 326 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Went to Rochester uni to study marketing, 327 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960 then enlisted in the Navy. 328 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,480 Served four years and left in 2005 following a disciplinary issue 329 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,960 involving a fellow officer. 330 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,960 A fellow Muslim officer. 331 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960 She then started her own green beauty business 332 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,800 which gained the attention of some red-tops 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,960 following an advertising campaign she herself featured in. 334 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,960 After the 2008 crash, the business went bankrupt, 335 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960 and she lost her home and had to rent. 336 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 And it was a bad experience with an Asian landlord, 337 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,960 prompting this online rant which gained half-a-million views, 338 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,960 erm, got her an invitation to write an article for the Mail 339 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960 which went down so well, it led to a weekly column. 340 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,000 SUNNY: What sort of column? Opinions. 341 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,960 Of which, you know, she has a lot. On? 342 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Er, recurring themes include 343 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,960 immigration, benefit cheats, the EU, 344 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,960 erm... anti-abortion stuff, arming the police, 345 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,960 all as self-styled "Sister Mel". 346 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Ah. She's not a real nun, right? 347 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,960 She spent six months in a convent in Wicklow in 2009, actually. 348 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Ah. And the column ran from when to when? 349 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,960 2015 to 2020, 350 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960 but she also wrote for pretty much every red-top 351 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,960 and also started popping up on breakfast TV guest spots. 352 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,960 And when was that Boris Johnson retweet, post thing? 353 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,960 October 2016. 354 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,960 SUNNY: Do we know why she moved to Ireland? 355 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960 No, just that she went there in 2021. 356 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,960 OK, thanks, Fran. Right, shall we? Mm. 357 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,960 Jesus. 358 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,960 What are you doing? Eating a sandwich. 359 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 What are you doing here? I didn't wanna go back. 360 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,480 You have to go back. 361 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 I really don't. Yes, you do. 362 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,960 If you still hate it at the end of this year, 363 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,960 then we can talk about moving you, but right now, 364 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,960 I need you to just grow... Was it you? Was what me? 365 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,960 Who killed Dad? 366 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,960 What? 367 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,960 Was it? 368 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,960 How can you even ask me that? Well, you haven't said no. 369 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960 No. 370 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,960 VOICE CRACKING: It wasn't me. 371 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,960 You don't seem that sure. 372 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,960 I'm very sure, 373 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,800 I'm just in shock that you could even think that. 374 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,960 No. A thousand times, no. 375 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,960 No. 376 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,960 Have you told the police about the row that night? 377 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,960 What row? 378 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,640 Do you think I don't remember? 379 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000 I remember it all. Very clearly, Mum. 380 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 It was just one of our rows. 381 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,960 OK? Nothing more. 382 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,160 I would never have hurt your father, Tay, never. 383 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960 But I do want you to promise me something. 384 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,960 What? 385 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,960 I want you to promise me that you will never mention that row, 386 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,480 or, in fact, any of the others to the police. 387 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,480 Why? 388 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960 Because they will almost certainly come to all the wrong conclusions, 389 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960 and it's... it's just not worth it. 390 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Will you promise me that? 391 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,640 There's, erm... 392 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,960 There's... 393 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000 ..something I've never told you. 394 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,320 'So, thanks for taking the time to speak to us.' 395 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,960 No problem at all. 396 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,960 'Can I dive straight in, Melinda, and ask you how you knew Mr Cooper?' 397 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Sure. Erm... 398 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960 I met him initially at a political thing he'd started. 399 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960 This was UK United? 'Yes.' 400 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,480 So, when was that exactly? 401 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,640 Er, that would have been... late 2015, I guess. 402 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960 And you hit it off straight away? 403 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Yeah, kind of. 404 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,960 We shared a similar outlook on the world, sense of humour. 405 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Neither of us were afraid to call it as we saw it. 406 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,000 'And you became friends, would you say?' 407 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 Yes. Briefly. "Briefly"? 408 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,960 Yeah, we... ran into each other a few times over the next few months. 409 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,960 I think I might have had a lunch with him once. 410 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Right. So it didn't develop into anything more? 411 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,960 'Like what?' 412 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Like a romantic relationship. 'No.' 413 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,160 Right. Because we spoke to a witness who suggested it did. 414 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,320 What witness? 415 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000 An old friend of his who ran into you both 416 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,640 in a pub in Aldgate in 2020. 417 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800 Well, that was then. 418 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying that you did have 419 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,000 a relationship with him, or you didn't? 420 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Yes... I did. 421 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960 A very brief one, just not when you were saying. 422 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960 My question didn't actually specify a timeframe, 423 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,960 but that's... that's fine. 424 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,320 So, erm, spell it out nice and clearly for us. 425 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,960 When did you two get together? 426 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Erm... Summer of 2020, 427 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,960 just as things were opening up again. 428 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960 'And when you say "brief"...?' 429 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960 'Erm, just a few weeks, two months at the most.' 430 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960 'And did his wife know about this?' 431 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960 I've no idea. 432 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,480 'But you think you weren't seeing him in February 2021?' No. 433 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960 But you were still living in the UK at this point? 434 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Yes. 'So, when exactly did you move to Ireland?' 435 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Early March, 2021. 436 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,960 OK. 437 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,800 So, just a couple of weeks after he disappeared. 438 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,960 I obviously had no idea about that. 439 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 You didn't know he'd gone missing? No. 440 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,960 'So, when did you find out?' 441 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960 A mutual friend told me months later. 442 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000 'How?' Er, they messaged me, I think. 443 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960 Hm. Can you forward that to us? 444 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,960 Er, actually, no. Wait, I... Er... 445 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960 It might have been a call. 446 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960 OK, er, well, think we'll come back to that. 447 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,960 'And what prompted the move to Ireland?' 448 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Erm... I used to come on holiday here as a kid. 449 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 My dad was born here. 450 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960 I was feeling a bit burned out from London, 451 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,960 and then when I got offered the job with BNC, 452 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,960 I could do that from anywhere, so... Change as good as a rest. 453 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960 'And so when do you think was the last time you might have seen him?' 454 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Oh, maybe, erm... 455 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320 October, November, 2020. 456 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 'So, this was just as your relationship was coming to an end?' 457 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,160 Yes. 'And how did it end?' 458 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Oh, just fizzled out, really. 459 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960 'No rows?' No. 'No fights?' 460 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,640 No. 'Because we do have a fair amount of evidence 461 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960 'to suggest he could get violent.' 462 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960 Not with me. OK. 463 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Erm... Were you aware of anyone 464 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,640 that you'd come into contact with through him 465 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,960 who might have wanted to do him harm? 466 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,960 'No. But, like I said, I didn't actually know him that well. 467 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,320 'Our lives weren't that intertwined.' 468 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,960 OK. 469 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,960 And if we needed to know where you were on the 24th of February, 2021, 470 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960 would you be able to provide us with that information? 471 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,000 I could try. 472 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960 'Any proof will do.' Sure. 473 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Obviously, you have our email. 'I do.' 474 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960 OK. Anything else you'd like to add? 475 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960 Anything else you think might be relevant? 476 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960 No. 'OK. Thanks so much for your time.' 477 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960 You're so welcome. You have a nice day. 478 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,960 'You too.' 479 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,960 So, he was violent to her, yeah? 100%. 480 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960 This site. 481 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960 OK, can everyone please stop what they are doing 482 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,960 and stay exactly where they are. 483 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 We're officers of the Immigration Enforcement Agency, 484 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960 and we believe some of you working here today 485 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,960 may be doing so illegally. 486 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960 So, Martin Baines' phone... Melinda Ricci emailed, 487 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,480 can't find the diaries for that year. No way 488 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,960 Just calling it as she sees it. Sorry, Murray, carry on. 489 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Sorry. Martin Baines' phone records show multiple calls to a landline 490 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960 which has the same address as the Three Crowns pub. 491 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,960 Also multiple texts to a Gerry, 492 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,960 which are very angry and threatening in nature, 493 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960 but weirdly, they don't stop after the 24th. 494 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,320 Right. Although you'd do that if you were covering your tracks. 495 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,640 Fair point. 496 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Listen, we still need to take a swab from him 497 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,960 for the assault in the car park, can we get someone down there? 498 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,960 Yeah. I can sort. 499 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960 And where are we on Cooper's records? 500 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960 So, we've obviously looked 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960 at a fair amount of his open source stuff. 502 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,960 He used a number of platforms. 503 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800 Parler, Reddit, obviously Twitter. X. 504 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160 X. And? 505 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,960 Endless fights on X, 506 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960 very aggressive and hate speech-y from him, 507 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960 but, perhaps more significantly, to him. 508 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,960 Any physical threats to him? Dozens that we've found so far. 509 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,000 And death threats. Mm-hm. 510 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,960 And the rows were about...? Everything that you'd expect 511 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,960 from what we're now learning about him. 512 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Immigration, lockdown, grooming gangs, vaccines. 513 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320 It's gammon bingo. Can't say that. 514 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,960 Emails and texts have just come in, I'm getting them printed up. 515 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,960 Triangulation, still waiting on. 516 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Man, I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that house. 517 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,960 Well, the daughter was. 518 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,960 I mean, if this was some sort of coercive, 519 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,960 toxic marriage that blew up... 520 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960 she would have witnessed it, right? 521 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960 She'd have certainly seen something. 522 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,960 I wonder if the school would let us talk to her there? 523 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Why don't we call? 524 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,960 Hey. Hi. 525 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960 Just, er... Just wondered if you got my email. 526 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Er, no. Sorry. Been a bit... 527 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,960 What did it say? 528 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960 Er, the board want a meeting. They... 529 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,960 They think they have a solution. 530 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,960 What solution? 531 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,000 Well, obviously, you're aware that funding's on the floor 532 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,320 for the next five years anyway, so, basically, erm... 533 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960 ..they want to offer you early retirement. 534 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Asif was a lovely guy. Couldn't do enough for people. 535 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960 And I presume that includes the Dowari family? Absolutely. 536 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,960 In fact, I ran into him a few months after he stopped working for us, 537 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960 and he told me he was still in contact with them, 538 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960 still helping them, all pro bono. 539 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Did you personally ever see him have any interaction with Gerard Cooper? 540 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800 A few times, yeah. What was he like with him? 541 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960 Always incredibly polite. 542 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Very quietly spoken, very diplomatic. 543 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,960 So, he never got wound up by him? Not to his face, no. 544 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960 How do you mean, "not to his face"? 545 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,960 I gave him a lift to another rental one time, 546 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,320 it was on my way back to the office, and he said back in his country, 547 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,800 in his village, people like Cooper got dealt with. 548 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800 What do you think he meant by that? I don't know. 549 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,960 I just remember there was something in his eyes when he said it 550 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960 that sent a chill down my spine. 551 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,960 And the Dowaris, can I speak to them? 552 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,960 If you can find them. 553 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960 We moved them from Cooper's flat to another in February 2021, 554 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,960 and then a few weeks later, they just upped and left one night, 555 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,960 completely dropped out the system. 556 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,960 Specifically when did they disappear? 557 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640 February 28th, 2021. 558 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960 Can I have that last address, please? 559 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,960 For elimination purposes, I really think we should swab Asif Syed. 560 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960 On it. 561 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,960 So, these are text messages from 2019 and 2020, 562 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,960 and you don't have to read too many to realise that they were 563 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160 quite clearly in a relationship at this point. 564 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960 "Hey. At work, and can't stop replaying last night. 565 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480 "Getting hard just thinking about you. 566 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,960 "G. Kiss, kiss, kiss." Yeah, last of the great charmers 567 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,960 That's, er, February 2020. OK. 568 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960 "Eurostar full. How about we fly? 569 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960 "J and T away with her mum for the weekend, 570 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,640 "shall we play?" 571 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,960 That's April 2019. 572 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,960 So, we got emails going between them from late 2018, 573 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,480 which is when the relationship seemed to have started. 574 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,960 OK. So she flat-out lied. Hm. Yeah. 575 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960 It all seems to go sour, sort of start of 2021. 576 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320 My guess is that he knew not to write down too much. 577 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960 But I did find these three messages. 578 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,160 These are just from his side, and these are from February 2021. 579 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,960 "Do not ignore me, Mel, or you will regret it." Yeah. 580 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,960 "Mel, call me, 581 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,960 "we can still discuss the amount, I am open to discussion." 582 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,960 And this last one is from the 15th of February. 583 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960 "If you make me lose everything I have ever worked for, 584 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960 "I swear to God, I will fuck you up." 585 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960 OK. So, these are blackmail threats. From a person we know was violent. 586 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Do you think they could have met? Who? 587 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,320 Melinda and Juliet? 588 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Wow. Oh. It's just a thought. 589 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,960 OK, er... 590 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960 One of us has to go over there, and it can't be me. 591 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,800 OK. Sorry. 592 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,960 Er, no, that's fine. It's just... I... I, erm... 593 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,320 I still have stuff going on at home, Sunny. 594 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,960 No, you don't have to explain. 595 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,960 I'm sorry. Because I know we... You know, we both... 596 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,960 shared before, but, erm... it... 597 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,640 To be honest, it is just so damn complicated, 598 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960 I wouldn't even know where to begin. 599 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960 Seriously, no worries at all. 600 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,480 But also, you know, I'm here if you... 601 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,960 Thank you. Seriously. 602 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960 Thank you. OK. Right. 603 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,960 Erm... Sorry. Hey, Lee? Hey, how you doing? 604 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000 Yeah, all great, thanks. Did you get my message? 605 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960 Yeah, really sorry, I've been mad busy, but, erm... 606 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960 I'll call you. Yeah, I... 607 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960 No rush. Just... Yeah. Yeah. Speak soon, then. 608 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,960 Er... Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. 609 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960 PATIENT: So, what I was saying is financially... 610 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960 It'll just be ten seconds. 611 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Alison said she needed to be here if you spoke to me, 612 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,960 so where... where's Alison? 613 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960 I didn't wanna get her all the way down here just for a swab, Marty. 614 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,960 Oh, come on, love, help the young lady out, huh? 615 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960 Okey-dokey, pig in a pokey. 616 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000 I-I... So, just give me a minute. 617 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,960 OK... Here we go. 618 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960 Hey. Hi. 619 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960 Is Hassan not here? He's not back from work yet. 620 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,960 Look, Asif. I've been thinking about everything you said, and... 621 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,960 ..I'm... I'm sorry. 622 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,000 I really am. 623 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,800 Asif... You cope so well. 624 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960 You're so, so strong, that... 625 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960 ..I forget what you've been through. 626 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960 But, I mean, the truth is I... 627 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,960 I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for you. 628 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,960 And I do completely understand your anger. 629 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960 And... Listen. 630 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,960 I wanna try and help. 631 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,160 Evening, sir. Hello. 632 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,480 Is this your home? Er, it is, yeah. 633 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,800 You're Samuel Collet? Yes. 634 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,960 Mr Collet, my name is Officer Hughes 635 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960 from the Immigration Enforcement Unit. 636 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960 I have a warrant to search these premises 637 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960 under Section 28D of the Immigration Act 1971, 638 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000 with regard to information gained on an earlier raid today. 639 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Are we OK to come in, please? 640 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 Yeah... Yeah, sure. 641 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,960 Enjoy your flight, sir. 642 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,320 Thanks. 643 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,480 Marty? Marty, come on. 644 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Why have you double-locked the door, Marty? 645 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,800 I just need to see Mum, sweetheart. Please, let me in. 646 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,960 Marty. 647 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960 I just need to see Mum's OK. 648 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960 If you don't let me in, I'll have to call the police. 649 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,960 OK, sure. 650 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960 OK, do you wanna come through, please, Mr Collet? 651 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960 Why... Why is my partner still here? 652 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Ah-ah-ah... No, I've already explained to you. 653 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960 It's got nothing to do with him, it was all me. 654 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,320 This way. 655 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,960 OK, we've had a request from a Bishop Street station in London 656 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960 in connection with another investigation. 657 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960 They're asking if they could get a swab from you today. 658 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960 You OK with that? Yes. 659 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960 If you'd like to follow me, then, please. 660 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,960 Yeah, it would just be a general chat, really, 661 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,960 just about the events leading up to her dad's disappearance. 662 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,960 Right. 663 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640 Which, as I say, for a number of reasons, 664 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960 we would rather do without her mum present. 665 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,960 'Is she...?' 666 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960 I mean, has Mrs Cooper been arrested? 667 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,640 No. Not yet. 668 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,960 'I'll need to take some advice on this, can I call you right back?' 669 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,960 Yeah. OK. ASAP, please. Bye. 670 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960 Sorry to disturb, guv. 671 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Juliet Cooper's downstairs, and she wants to speak to you. 672 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960 Yesterday, my daughter told me 673 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960 that about a week before her dad went missing, 674 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960 she'd come home from school 675 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,160 to find a young man who'd worked for Gerry in our flat. 676 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960 He'd obviously broken in somehow. 677 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960 I was still at work, Gerry was out at meetings, 678 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160 meaning Taylor was alone with him. 679 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960 And did she know him? 680 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,960 Yeah, she'd chatted to him when he worked downstairs, 681 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,960 but she said he was very agitated and very angry. 682 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,800 About? Her dad. 683 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,960 Maybe me a bit. 684 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,000 And he told her that he wanted to hurt her dad 685 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,960 like he thought Gerry had hurt him. 686 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,960 And how old was Taylor? 687 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480 Eleven. My God, that must have been terrifying for her. 688 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,960 It was. And, so, what happened? 689 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960 Well, she managed to convince him 690 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960 that hurting her dad would be a bad idea... 691 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960 ..and that it would really upset her. 692 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,960 He said he didn't want to do that. 693 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960 So then she made him a glass of squash. 694 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,640 They chatted a bit more, 695 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,960 and after about 20 minutes, he just left. 696 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480 And why... why has she never told you about this before? 697 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,960 She hadn't wanted to get him into trouble. 698 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,960 She liked him. She felt sorry for him, as do I. 699 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,800 Hence my slowness in telling you this. 700 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960 I know he went through a really tough time in the pandemic. 701 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,160 Does she remember his name? 702 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,160 Yes. 703 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,800 It was Marty. Marty Baines. 704 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,960 OFFICER: Here. Oh, no. 705 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960 There's no-one in either of the bedrooms. 706 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640 Ambulance. 707 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960 Medical assistance required urgently, please. Dot? 708 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960 Dot, can you hear me? Dot? 709 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 55427

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