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Dead? It wasn't Martin! Cos he was...
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I said shut up, noisy bitch...
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- I don't want to get into trouble.
- I don't want you to either.
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So should I lie, then?
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There was an Afghan family who had
a long-running dispute with him.
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Really boiled over.
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You should start with the guy
that interpreted for them.
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Hiya.
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Oh.
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All I have done is walk into my house,
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and I've found an illegal immigrant.
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And how many times?
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It's not illegal
for someone seeking asylum
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to cross the channel
however they want to.
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I don't know what to say that will
best allow you to forgive me.
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Just the truth, Debs.
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We did sleep together.
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- Sorry.
- It's just, I...
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Night, dollface.
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Can I just ask you
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if you ever thought your husband
might have been having an affair?
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What the hell sort of question's that?
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A few months before he disappeared,
he'd seen him with another woman.
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He said he'd introduced her to him
as "Melinda".
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Cos a row that got out of hand
about infidelity,
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it's just about the oldest motive
for murder there is.
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I don't know
if they're listening to this,
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but don't say anything about Daddy.
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I would like to take my break now,
please,
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so that I can get my story straight.
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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is
All we do is lie and wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't want to be
The right way round
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♪ Can't find paradise
On the ground... ♪
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I just find it rather hard
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to square Juliet Cooper's
description of their relationship
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- with what Prentice told me.
- Hm.
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- Ditto the bar manager.
- Ditto her.
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Husbands and wives are allowed
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- to have different political opinions.
- No way (!)
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But that diametrically opposed?
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Although we're assuming
that Juliet's who she says she is.
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Yeah, I'm just asking if...
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maybe this was a toxic marriage,
perhaps violent, perhaps coercive,
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that finally imploded?
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Where are we on his girlfriend?
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So, our Melinda, is Melinda Ricci.
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- Peachy Ricci?
- Yeah.
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"Peachy"?
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She had a column in the Mail
a few years back.
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She's like a BTEC
kind of Katie Hopkins,
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working for a cable channel now.
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You think that they met through
this forum that Cooper set up?
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UK United, yes.
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Cooper is in the background of
the viral video about the retweet.
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Do we have an address for her?
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Well, I spoke to an HR guy at BNC,
her current employers.
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They're based in Docklands,
but she dials in her contribution
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from her home about
ten miles west of Cork, apparently.
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Hm.
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Er, OK. Contact regional Garda.
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See if they can get local plod down
to set up a Zoom with her.
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And check if they have anything
on her in their systems, too.
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Yeah.
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And as much background as you can
find before we speak to her, please.
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Yeah, sure.
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- That's mad.
- I know.
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So, you mentioned your dad earlier,
Marty.
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Yes, I mentioned my dad earlier.
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I'm guessing he's always been
a great support to you.
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- Mm. He has, yes.
- So I'm wondering,
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did maybe your dad go and speak
to Mr Cooper about the money?
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You OK, Marty?
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I-I'm fine, thank you for asking.
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Did he go and speak to Gerry for you?
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No, he never went to see Gerry.
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You seem a bit upset
at these questions.
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Marty?
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Well, he couldn't
go and see Gerry, could he?
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Why not?
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I think we should probably
take a little break.
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Cos he was dead.
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Because Gerry made him be dead.
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Why am I even at that school, anyway?
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You're supposed to be
a fucking socialist.
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Taylor, not this, not now -
we'll miss your train.
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I loathe that school.
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I loathe everything it stands for,
and you should too.
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Or is that all a lie as well?
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Gerry told me the vaccine
was a plot to control us
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that contained micro-transmitters,
and that we should not take it.
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When did he say this?
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Whenever
I went to see him to get my money.
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- Did he tell you not to take it?
- Yes, he told me not to take it.
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Did he suggest that your parents
shouldn't take it, too?
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No, he didn't do that.
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I did that.
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But maybe you told your mum and dad
not to take it
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- because of what he said to you?
- Yes.
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Did they listen to you?
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My mum and dad were offered
the vaccine at the end of January,
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and they, they refused it.
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On the second of February,
Dad got COVID
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and was admitted to Dover
Royal Hospital a week...
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a week later with
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severe respiratory difficulties.
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On the 19th of February,
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Dad died.
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All on his Jack Jones.
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Thomas Henry Baines was 76.
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I'm so sorry for your loss.
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We both are, Marty.
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He had a good innings, as they say.
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So... on top of the money...
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..you now had the awful tragedy
of your dad dying.
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Yes, this is correct.
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How did you feel about Gerry
at this point?
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No good crying over spilt milk.
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Were you not angry with him?
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Because I'm wondering...
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I'm wondering if maybe you arranged
to meet him somewhere on the 24th?
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No.
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Not to tell him about your dad?
Not because you were angry?
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- No.
- Maybe... Maybe you rowed?
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You know, er,
maybe he'd pushed you again,
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and it all got out of control?
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No. No, no, no, no, no...
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I think he's answered your questions,
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so unless you've got any evidence
you haven't mentioned,
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I think we bring this to a close.
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Let's RUI him for now and do some
more background on that arrest.
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We'd better head.
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Hey, Mel.
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Hey, Joseph. How you doing?
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- Good, thanks. You?
- Er, yeah, I'm fine.
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How's your man doing?
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Slow but steady.
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Father Ryan being very supportive,
I hear.
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How can I help you, Joseph?
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Had a call from a police officer
in London wanting to speak to you
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about being a possible witness
in a murder investigation.
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Wow. Murder of whom?
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A man called Gerard Cooper.
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Yeah, I-I knew Gerry.
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He-He went missing a few years back.
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Just before you came
over here, they said.
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Right.
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They asked if you could make
yourself available for a Zoom,
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tomorrow at four.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I-I-I think I could do that.
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So just drop by the station, we'll
take care of everything our end,
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and I'll sit in with you.
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I mean, do... do I need a lawyer?
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Entirely up to you. See you tomorrow.
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Oh, Murray's just forwarded me
an email from the lettings agency.
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So, the lettings agent
thinks police were called
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to the dispute she told him about.
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OK. So this guy Asif
would remember that too, no?
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Look, these are absolutely top quality.
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From the same factory
that makes the genuine article.
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And, er, the passport...
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..how much?
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Well, the passport, driver's licence
and the national insurance card
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I can do you for 7K.
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We do also offer finance options,
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if that was something
you were interested in.
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A lot of people go for a five-year
repayment schedule,
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which makes it very affordable.
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We're also happy to accept late-term
payments if that worked better...
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Out the back now. Now!
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Now!
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- Hi.
- Hi. Asif Syed?
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Yes.
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DCI Jess James,
and this is DI Sunil Khan.
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Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat?
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Er, yes, maybe. About what, please?
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It's in connection
with a murder investigation.
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We think you might have known
the victim.
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Who was the victim?
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- Could we come in?
- Yes. Yes, please, of course.
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It's the fucking Matrix, buddy.
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They're trying to shut your voice
down cos you're a strong man.
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- So what do you need to do?
- I need to be one step ahead, man.
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Be ahead or be dead, dude.
Be ahead or be dead.
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Ahead or be dead.
Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead.
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Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead.
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Ahead or be dead.
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This is him. Name of Gerard Cooper.
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Yes, I... I think I remember him.
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And what do you think
your connection to him was?
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I work as an interpreter.
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And back then,
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I worked with tenants whose rent
was being paid by the council.
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Er... I think he was
one of the landlords.
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- Erm... what council was that?
- Thamesford.
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OK. And can you remember specifically
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when you might have encountered
Mr Cooper?
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- I would have to check.
- OK. Roughly, then?
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I think maybe
it was early on in the pandemic.
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Maybe the first year.
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I have a vague recollection
of some COVID-related issues.
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- OK, so it was 2020.
- Yes.
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Do you have any recollection
of what he was like?
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Er, I mean...
I must've met dozens of landlords
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in the three or four years
I was in London.
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Because the agency that managed his
portfolio said he was quite tricky.
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- Did they?
- You don't remember that?
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I remember, erm...
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..he wasn't very good
at maintaining his properties.
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The agency said that.
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- Anything else?
- Erm...
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- He could be... quite aggressive.
- With you?
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With the tenants, who obviously
were often very vulnerable people.
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- And physically aggressive?
- No. I never saw that.
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Because we have an agent who gave us
details of several cases where...
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disputes had blown up.
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One in particular,
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which was a family
of asylum seekers from Herat,
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where it had turned violent.
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- Which family?
- The Dowari family.
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Dowari...
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As I say, I must've dealt
with many dozens of cases.
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Most of them were fractious.
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Except the police
were called to this one.
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It was a dispute
about a chronic damp problem.
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The family had a toddler, a newborn.
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It was making them all sick.
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The police getting involved
wasn't that rare, sadly.
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OK.
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Quite a distinctive case,
but you've no memory of that at all?
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They all just merge into one.
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- Sorry.
- No worries.
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And when was the last time you think
you might've seen Mr Cooper?
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My contract with the council
ended in September 2020,
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so not after that.
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- Right.
- And, erm...
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Do you mind me asking
what your nationality is, Asif?
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I hope to very soon be British.
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Oh. Well, good for you.
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And welcome.
This can be a fabulous country.
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Yes, it can. And thank you.
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- And before that, where are you from?
- Afghanistan.
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OK. Well, that must have been tough,
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to see your fellow countrymen
and countrywomen,
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vulnerable people,
being mistreated often by this man.
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Of course.
250
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Did it make you angry, or...?
251
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If I got angry every time I saw
a refugee being treated badly...
252
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..I'd be living in
a permanent state of rage,
253
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DI Khan.
254
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Thanks for your time.
255
00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,791
I think we need more detail
on this Dowari case.
256
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Mm-hm.
257
00:15:16,665 --> 00:15:18,884
- Sam...
- Who was that?
258
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Social services.
They wanted some gen on a client.
259
00:15:25,975 --> 00:15:29,029
- Can... Can we talk, please?
- Sure.
260
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Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out after
he comes home from work today, and...
261
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if you can minimise
any future contact with him, then...
262
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..yeah, I'm happy to just move on.
263
00:15:51,885 --> 00:15:55,039
And if I don't agree to that?
264
00:15:56,264 --> 00:16:00,455
OK, why... why do you immediately
have to turn this into a conflict?
265
00:16:00,665 --> 00:16:02,876
Says the man who's just given me
an ultimatum.
266
00:16:02,901 --> 00:16:04,387
- No. It's not an ultimatum.
- No.
267
00:16:04,411 --> 00:16:07,123
You're not going
to hold a gun to my head
268
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because I did right by a man
who saved your life
269
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- on at least two occasions.
- OK. Asif...
270
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And you know what really winds me up?
271
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It's that you think you can do this.
272
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Do what?
273
00:16:21,725 --> 00:16:24,369
Just tell me how it's going to be.
274
00:16:24,979 --> 00:16:27,741
You don't even consider the idea
of finding another way through.
275
00:16:27,742 --> 00:16:30,837
No. Is that not exactly
what we're trying to do right now?
276
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What, telling me
what's going to happen?
277
00:16:35,293 --> 00:16:36,531
Not really, Sam.
278
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I'll play by the same rules.
279
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No.
280
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Hassan's not going anywhere.
281
00:16:53,021 --> 00:16:53,936
But...
282
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this is my house.
283
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Then call the police.
284
00:17:12,417 --> 00:17:15,125
I mean, I never really believed him.
285
00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:19,787
But there was always
just enough ambiguity
286
00:17:19,812 --> 00:17:21,952
to make me think
we could get through it.
287
00:17:23,532 --> 00:17:24,910
Except now...
288
00:17:27,812 --> 00:17:29,526
..if he could have done that...
289
00:17:31,434 --> 00:17:32,618
..he could do anything.
290
00:17:37,692 --> 00:17:39,993
- So?
- So...
291
00:17:45,771 --> 00:17:47,109
What do I do?
292
00:17:50,783 --> 00:17:53,782
So, digging into
the Marty Baines' caution
293
00:17:53,783 --> 00:17:55,783
and it gets interesting.
294
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In 2016, he studied a foundation
course in computer programming
295
00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:04,467
at the University of Ramsgate,
but eight months in,
296
00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:07,836
he's asked to leave after he starts
to regularly pick the locks
297
00:18:07,837 --> 00:18:11,782
of the rooms of his fellow students
in his halls and enter their rooms.
298
00:18:11,782 --> 00:18:12,426
Right.
299
00:18:12,451 --> 00:18:14,067
Now, he's not trying to steal anything.
300
00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:15,721
They're just coming back
from the pub at night
301
00:18:15,721 --> 00:18:18,728
to find Marty sitting on their beds
in their rooms.
302
00:18:18,728 --> 00:18:19,816
- Jesus.
- Mm.
303
00:18:19,817 --> 00:18:21,359
- Male or female?
- Both.
304
00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,897
Not at all scary.
305
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:25,795
And how many times did this happen?
306
00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:28,064
Well, the university
weren't really sure.
307
00:18:28,064 --> 00:18:30,728
Some students thought
that maybe they had forgotten
308
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to lock their rooms
309
00:18:31,971 --> 00:18:34,761
and so treated it more like
Marty wandering in uninvited
310
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and so didn't report it.
311
00:18:36,235 --> 00:18:39,217
But there are three formal cases.
312
00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:40,588
Was there ever any violence?
313
00:18:40,613 --> 00:18:43,443
Not from him, and not from any
of the other students,
314
00:18:43,443 --> 00:18:45,562
until the last incident.
315
00:18:45,939 --> 00:18:47,291
Which was?
316
00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,769
So, one bloke comes back
from the pub, pissed up,
317
00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:53,971
to find Marty in his room
and kind of loses it.
318
00:18:53,972 --> 00:18:55,285
Calls him all kinds of stuff,
319
00:18:55,625 --> 00:18:57,946
which ends up with Marty
trying to strangle him.
320
00:18:57,947 --> 00:19:00,090
Whoa. What, like, properly strangle?
321
00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:02,729
Yeah. He has to be pulled away
by the guy's mates.
322
00:19:02,729 --> 00:19:05,223
- Takes three of them, apparently.
- Wow.
323
00:19:05,223 --> 00:19:06,741
How come he only got a caution?
324
00:19:06,742 --> 00:19:08,786
So, the student didn't wanna
pursue anything.
325
00:19:08,787 --> 00:19:10,432
He admitted
to the investigating officer
326
00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:13,409
that he'd used "inappropriate
language about disability"
327
00:19:13,409 --> 00:19:15,568
and was scared it was gonna be
brought up in court.
328
00:19:15,569 --> 00:19:19,211
Mm. And do we know
why Marty was doing this?
329
00:19:19,211 --> 00:19:23,267
He said he was just looking
for a friend to talk to.
330
00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:27,130
In terms of any potential link
to violence,
331
00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:30,453
I've just received the evidence list
for the assault on Cooper
332
00:19:30,453 --> 00:19:33,217
- in his pub car park.
- Oh, yeah? What we got?
333
00:19:33,218 --> 00:19:35,985
Well, we've got Cooper's sweatshirt,
and they've taken DNA off it,
334
00:19:35,985 --> 00:19:38,999
- so we've material for comparison.
- Nice one, thanks.
335
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,399
So, Melinda Ricci. Tell me stuff.
336
00:19:43,008 --> 00:19:46,243
OK, so, born in 1978
337
00:19:46,244 --> 00:19:48,673
in a small market town in Surrey.
338
00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:51,609
Went to a local Catholic
girls' school, got decent As.
339
00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:53,772
Went to Rochester uni
to study marketing,
340
00:19:53,772 --> 00:19:55,824
then enlisted in the Navy.
341
00:19:55,825 --> 00:20:00,234
Served four years and left in 2005
following a disciplinary issue
342
00:20:00,234 --> 00:20:01,547
involving a fellow officer.
343
00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:03,037
A fellow Muslim officer.
344
00:20:03,517 --> 00:20:05,521
She then started her own
green beauty business
345
00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:08,248
which gained the attention
of some red-tops
346
00:20:08,248 --> 00:20:11,321
following an advertising campaign
she herself featured in.
347
00:20:11,756 --> 00:20:15,347
After the 2008 crash,
the business went bankrupt,
348
00:20:15,347 --> 00:20:17,166
and she lost her home and had to rent.
349
00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,943
And it was a bad experience
with an Asian landlord,
350
00:20:20,382 --> 00:20:25,338
prompting this online rant
which gained half-a-million views,
351
00:20:25,338 --> 00:20:29,525
erm, got her an invitation
to write an article for the Mail
352
00:20:29,688 --> 00:20:31,691
which went down so well,
it led to a weekly column.
353
00:20:31,692 --> 00:20:33,915
- What sort of column?
- Opinions.
354
00:20:33,916 --> 00:20:36,333
- Of which, you know, she has a lot.
- On?
355
00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,766
Er, recurring themes include
356
00:20:38,766 --> 00:20:41,981
immigration, benefit cheats, the EU,
357
00:20:42,351 --> 00:20:47,421
erm... anti-abortion stuff,
arming the police,
358
00:20:47,422 --> 00:20:50,513
all as self-styled "Sister Mel".
359
00:20:50,513 --> 00:20:54,133
Ah. She's not a real nun, right?
360
00:20:54,134 --> 00:20:57,699
She spent six months in a convent
in Wicklow in 2009, actually.
361
00:20:57,699 --> 00:20:58,377
Ah.
362
00:20:58,402 --> 00:21:00,012
And the column ran from when to when?
363
00:21:00,012 --> 00:21:01,725
2015 to 2020,
364
00:21:01,726 --> 00:21:04,228
but she also wrote
for pretty much every red-top
365
00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:07,545
and also started popping up
on breakfast TV guest spots.
366
00:21:07,546 --> 00:21:11,356
And when was that Boris Johnson
retweet, post thing?
367
00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:13,536
October 2016.
368
00:21:13,536 --> 00:21:14,879
Do we know why she moved to Ireland?
369
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,679
No, just that she went there in 2021.
370
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,485
- OK, thanks, Fran. Right, shall we?
- Mm.
371
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:28,432
Jesus.
372
00:21:38,509 --> 00:21:40,526
- What are you doing?
- Eating a sandwich.
373
00:21:40,526 --> 00:21:43,615
- What are you doing here?
- I didn't wanna go back.
374
00:21:44,854 --> 00:21:46,214
You have to go back.
375
00:21:46,453 --> 00:21:48,331
- I really don't.
- Yes, you do.
376
00:21:48,332 --> 00:21:50,215
If you still hate it
at the end of this year,
377
00:21:50,215 --> 00:21:52,080
then we can talk about moving you,
but right now,
378
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,023
- I need you to just grow...
- Was it you?
379
00:21:54,048 --> 00:21:55,450
Was what me?
380
00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:01,376
Who killed Dad?
381
00:22:03,401 --> 00:22:04,330
What?
382
00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:07,330
Was it?
383
00:22:10,064 --> 00:22:12,596
- How can you even ask me that?
- Well, you haven't said no.
384
00:22:17,822 --> 00:22:18,822
No.
385
00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:22,712
It wasn't me.
386
00:22:24,196 --> 00:22:25,566
You don't seem that sure.
387
00:22:25,567 --> 00:22:27,645
I'm very sure,
388
00:22:27,646 --> 00:22:31,506
I'm just in shock
that you could even think that.
389
00:22:32,128 --> 00:22:35,659
No. A thousand times, no.
390
00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:36,775
No.
391
00:22:40,409 --> 00:22:42,409
Have you told the police
about the row that night?
392
00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:45,890
What row?
393
00:22:47,623 --> 00:22:49,121
Do you think I don't remember?
394
00:22:50,791 --> 00:22:52,547
I remember it all.
395
00:22:52,915 --> 00:22:54,689
Very clearly, Mum.
396
00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:59,589
It was just one of our rows.
397
00:23:01,327 --> 00:23:04,233
OK? Nothing more.
398
00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:08,089
I would never have hurt your father,
Tay, never.
399
00:23:12,255 --> 00:23:14,820
But I do want you
to promise me something.
400
00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:16,157
What?
401
00:23:16,158 --> 00:23:19,484
I want you to promise me that
you will never mention that row,
402
00:23:19,484 --> 00:23:22,088
or, in fact, any of the others
to the police.
403
00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:23,880
Why?
404
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,890
Because they will almost certainly
come to all the wrong conclusions,
405
00:23:26,891 --> 00:23:28,890
and it's... it's just not worth it.
406
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,889
Will you promise me that?
407
00:23:35,822 --> 00:23:37,142
There's, erm...
408
00:23:40,195 --> 00:23:41,195
There's...
409
00:23:42,195 --> 00:23:45,018
..something I've never told you.
410
00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,936
So, thanks for taking the time
to speak to us.
411
00:23:58,961 --> 00:24:00,105
No problem at all.
412
00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:03,497
Can I dive straight in, Melinda,
and ask you how you knew Mr Cooper?
413
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:07,541
Sure. Erm...
414
00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:11,601
I met him initially
at a political thing he'd started.
415
00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:14,260
- This was UK United?
- Yes.
416
00:24:14,589 --> 00:24:16,058
So, when was that exactly?
417
00:24:16,058 --> 00:24:19,955
Er, that would have been...
late 2015, I guess.
418
00:24:19,956 --> 00:24:22,516
And you hit it off straight away?
419
00:24:22,779 --> 00:24:24,517
Yeah, kind of.
420
00:24:25,054 --> 00:24:28,583
We shared a similar outlook
on the world, sense of humour.
421
00:24:28,779 --> 00:24:31,050
Neither of us were afraid
to call it as we saw it.
422
00:24:31,075 --> 00:24:33,115
And you became friends, would you say?
423
00:24:33,807 --> 00:24:36,807
- Yes. Briefly.
- "Briefly"?
424
00:24:38,336 --> 00:24:39,569
Yeah, we...
425
00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:43,025
ran into each other a
few times over the next few months.
426
00:24:43,336 --> 00:24:46,399
I think I might have had a lunch
with him once.
427
00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,638
Right. So it didn't develop
into anything more?
428
00:24:49,639 --> 00:24:50,824
Like what?
429
00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:53,195
- Like a romantic relationship.
- 'No.'
430
00:24:53,971 --> 00:24:55,017
Right.
431
00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:58,838
Because we spoke to a witness
who suggested it did.
432
00:24:59,002 --> 00:25:00,035
What witness?
433
00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:02,912
An old friend of his
who ran into you both
434
00:25:02,913 --> 00:25:06,252
in a pub in Aldgate in 2020.
435
00:25:07,604 --> 00:25:10,527
Well, that was then.
436
00:25:10,892 --> 00:25:13,270
Sorry, I'm confused.
Are you saying that you did have
437
00:25:13,271 --> 00:25:15,320
a relationship with him, or you didn't?
438
00:25:15,439 --> 00:25:18,244
Yes... I did.
439
00:25:18,479 --> 00:25:21,477
A very brief one,
just not when you were saying.
440
00:25:21,791 --> 00:25:24,720
My question didn't actually
specify a timeframe,
441
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,882
but that's... that's fine.
442
00:25:25,883 --> 00:25:29,219
So, erm, spell it out
nice and clearly for us.
443
00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:30,940
When did you two get together?
444
00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:34,229
Erm... Summer of 2020,
445
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:35,985
just as things were opening up again.
446
00:25:36,324 --> 00:25:38,651
And when you say "brief"...?
447
00:25:39,236 --> 00:25:42,473
Erm, just a few weeks,
two months at the most.
448
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:44,620
And did his wife know about this?
449
00:25:45,037 --> 00:25:46,416
I've no idea.
450
00:25:46,716 --> 00:25:50,554
But you think you weren't
seeing him in February 2021?
451
00:25:50,579 --> 00:25:51,363
No.
452
00:25:51,363 --> 00:25:53,274
But you were still living
in the UK at this point?
453
00:25:53,274 --> 00:25:54,061
Yes.
454
00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:56,100
So, when exactly
did you move to Ireland?
455
00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:58,324
Early March, 2021.
456
00:25:58,518 --> 00:25:59,417
OK.
457
00:25:59,418 --> 00:26:00,892
So, just a couple of weeks
after he disappeared.
458
00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:02,580
I obviously had no idea about that.
459
00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,416
- You didn't know he'd gone missing?
- No.
460
00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:05,473
So, when did you find out?
461
00:26:05,499 --> 00:26:08,524
A mutual friend told me months later.
462
00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:10,890
- How?
- Er, they messaged me, I think.
463
00:26:11,024 --> 00:26:13,340
Hm. Can you forward that to us?
464
00:26:13,738 --> 00:26:16,284
Er, actually, no. Wait, I... Er...
465
00:26:18,032 --> 00:26:19,642
It might have been a call.
466
00:26:20,715 --> 00:26:24,194
OK, er, well,
think we'll come back to that.
467
00:26:24,424 --> 00:26:26,788
And what prompted the move to Ireland?
468
00:26:27,636 --> 00:26:31,387
Erm... I used to come
on holiday here as a kid.
469
00:26:31,388 --> 00:26:33,117
My dad was born here.
470
00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:35,923
I was feeling a bit burned out
from London, and then...
471
00:26:36,176 --> 00:26:38,257
when I got offered the job with BNC,
472
00:26:38,258 --> 00:26:41,978
I could do that from anywhere, so...
Change as good as a rest.
473
00:26:41,978 --> 00:26:44,575
And so when do you think was the
last time you might have seen him?
474
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,196
Oh, maybe, erm...
475
00:26:47,552 --> 00:26:51,000
October, November, 2020.
476
00:26:51,083 --> 00:26:53,488
So, this was just as your
relationship was coming to an end?
477
00:26:53,513 --> 00:26:55,978
- Yes.
- And how did it end?
478
00:26:56,003 --> 00:26:58,025
Oh, just fizzled out, really.
479
00:26:58,026 --> 00:26:59,536
- No rows?
- No.
480
00:26:59,598 --> 00:27:01,054
- No fights?
- No.
481
00:27:01,134 --> 00:27:03,163
Because we do have
a fair amount of evidence
482
00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:05,310
to suggest he could get violent.
483
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,282
- Not with me.
- OK.
484
00:27:08,663 --> 00:27:11,339
Erm... Were you aware of anyone
485
00:27:11,339 --> 00:27:13,570
that you'd come into contact with
through him
486
00:27:13,571 --> 00:27:15,739
who might have wanted to do him harm?
487
00:27:16,252 --> 00:27:22,040
No. But, like I said, I didn't
actually know him that well.
488
00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,980
Our lives weren't that intertwined.
489
00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:25,402
OK.
490
00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:29,453
And if we needed to know where you
were on the 24th of February, 2021,
491
00:27:29,453 --> 00:27:31,572
would you be able to provide us
with that information?
492
00:27:31,914 --> 00:27:33,026
I could try.
493
00:27:33,027 --> 00:27:34,700
- Any proof will do.
- Sure.
494
00:27:34,725 --> 00:27:36,834
- Obviously, you have our email.
- I do.
495
00:27:38,177 --> 00:27:41,634
OK. Anything else you'd like to add?
496
00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:43,659
Anything else you think
might be relevant?
497
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:46,714
- No.
- OK.
498
00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:48,552
Thanks so much for your time.
499
00:27:48,577 --> 00:27:50,479
You're so welcome. You have a nice day.
500
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:51,842
'You too.'
501
00:28:00,499 --> 00:28:02,588
So, he was violent to her, yeah?
502
00:28:03,425 --> 00:28:04,659
100%.
503
00:29:31,057 --> 00:29:32,406
This site.
504
00:29:45,424 --> 00:29:47,729
OK, can everyone please
stop what they are doing
505
00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:49,953
and stay exactly where they are.
506
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,692
We're officers of the
Immigration Enforcement Agency,
507
00:29:52,693 --> 00:29:54,978
and we believe some of you
working here today
508
00:29:54,978 --> 00:29:57,000
may be doing so illegally.
509
00:30:00,635 --> 00:30:03,491
- So, Martin Baines' phone...
- Melinda Ricci emailed,
510
00:30:03,491 --> 00:30:06,214
- can't find the diaries for that year.
- No way (!)
511
00:30:06,286 --> 00:30:09,672
- Just calling it as she sees it.
- Sorry, Murray, carry on.
512
00:30:09,697 --> 00:30:11,138
- Sorry.
- Martin Baines' phone records
513
00:30:11,163 --> 00:30:13,295
show multiple calls to a landline
514
00:30:13,296 --> 00:30:16,078
which has the same address
as the Three Crowns pub.
515
00:30:16,078 --> 00:30:18,423
Also multiple texts to a Gerry,
516
00:30:18,424 --> 00:30:20,652
which are very angry
and threatening in nature,
517
00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:22,950
but weirdly,
they don't stop after the 24th.
518
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:23,990
Right.
519
00:30:24,015 --> 00:30:25,980
Although you'd do that
if you were covering your tracks.
520
00:30:26,005 --> 00:30:26,957
Fair point.
521
00:30:26,957 --> 00:30:29,160
Listen, we still need
to take a swab from him
522
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:31,519
for the assault in the car park,
can we get someone down there?
523
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:32,367
Yeah. I can sort.
524
00:30:32,367 --> 00:30:34,848
And where are we on Cooper's records?
525
00:30:34,848 --> 00:30:36,765
So, we've obviously looked
526
00:30:36,766 --> 00:30:39,474
at a fair amount
of his open source stuff.
527
00:30:39,474 --> 00:30:40,968
He used a number of platforms.
528
00:30:40,968 --> 00:30:43,384
- Parler, Reddit, obviously Twitter.
- X.
529
00:30:43,766 --> 00:30:45,168
- X.
- And?
530
00:30:45,785 --> 00:30:48,056
Endless fights on X,
531
00:30:48,057 --> 00:30:50,540
very aggressive
and hate speech-y from him,
532
00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:52,896
but, perhaps more significantly,
to him.
533
00:30:52,952 --> 00:30:56,745
- Any physical threats to him?
- Dozens that we've found so far.
534
00:30:56,746 --> 00:30:57,965
- And death threats.
- Mm-hm.
535
00:30:57,966 --> 00:31:00,060
- And the rows were about...?
- Everything that you'd expect
536
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,403
from what we're now learning about him.
537
00:31:01,403 --> 00:31:04,927
Immigration, lockdown,
grooming gangs, vaccines.
538
00:31:04,928 --> 00:31:07,012
- It's gammon bingo.
- Can't say that.
539
00:31:07,013 --> 00:31:10,291
Emails and texts have just come in,
540
00:31:10,336 --> 00:31:12,975
I'm getting them printed up.
Triangulation, still waiting on.
541
00:31:12,976 --> 00:31:16,785
Man, I would love to have been
a fly on the wall in that house.
542
00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:19,530
Well, the daughter was.
543
00:31:20,332 --> 00:31:22,646
I mean, if this was
some sort of coercive,
544
00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:24,321
toxic marriage that blew up...
545
00:31:24,937 --> 00:31:26,564
she would have witnessed it, right?
546
00:31:26,825 --> 00:31:28,675
She'd have certainly seen something.
547
00:31:29,565 --> 00:31:31,955
I wonder if the school
would let us talk to her there?
548
00:31:32,324 --> 00:31:33,533
Why don't we call?
549
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:41,399
- Hey.
- Hi.
550
00:31:42,957 --> 00:31:45,301
Just, er...
Just wondered if you got my email.
551
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:49,874
Er, no. Sorry. Been a bit...
552
00:31:51,238 --> 00:31:52,398
What did it say?
553
00:31:53,593 --> 00:31:56,269
Er, the board want a meeting. They...
554
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,771
They think they have a solution.
555
00:31:59,714 --> 00:32:01,274
What solution?
556
00:32:01,682 --> 00:32:04,869
Well, obviously, you're aware
that funding's on the floor
557
00:32:04,894 --> 00:32:08,015
for the next five years anyway,
so, basically, erm...
558
00:32:10,708 --> 00:32:12,854
..they want to offer you
early retirement.
559
00:32:31,253 --> 00:32:34,430
Asif was a lovely guy.
Couldn't do enough for people.
560
00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:36,833
And I presume that includes
the Dowari family?
561
00:32:36,865 --> 00:32:40,893
Absolutely. In fact, I ran into him a few
months after he stopped working for us,
562
00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:43,286
and he told me he was still
in contact with them,
563
00:32:43,287 --> 00:32:45,874
still helping them, all pro bono.
564
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:50,441
Did you personally ever see him have
any interaction with Gerard Cooper?
565
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,019
- A few times, yeah.
- What was he like with him?
566
00:32:53,258 --> 00:32:55,377
Always incredibly polite.
567
00:32:55,608 --> 00:32:58,549
Very quietly spoken, very diplomatic.
568
00:32:58,550 --> 00:33:01,396
- So, he never got wound up by him?
- Not to his face, no.
569
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:03,033
How do you mean, "not to his face"?
570
00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:05,277
I gave him a lift
to another rental one time,
571
00:33:05,278 --> 00:33:09,122
it was on my way back to the office,
and he said back in his country,
572
00:33:09,122 --> 00:33:11,817
in his village,
people like Cooper got dealt with.
573
00:33:12,092 --> 00:33:14,549
- What do you think he meant by that?
- I don't know.
574
00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:16,918
I just remember there was something
in his eyes when he said it
575
00:33:16,918 --> 00:33:18,545
that sent a chill down my spine.
576
00:33:18,546 --> 00:33:20,339
And the Dowaris, can I speak to them?
577
00:33:20,364 --> 00:33:21,821
If you can find them.
578
00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:25,524
We moved them from Cooper's flat
to another in February 2021,
579
00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:29,194
and then a few weeks later,
they just upped and left one night,
580
00:33:29,219 --> 00:33:30,849
completely dropped out the system.
581
00:33:30,849 --> 00:33:33,029
Specifically when did they disappear?
582
00:33:34,193 --> 00:33:36,337
February 28th, 2021.
583
00:33:38,446 --> 00:33:40,561
Can I have that last address, please?
584
00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:46,691
For elimination purposes, I really
think we should swab Asif Syed.
585
00:33:46,716 --> 00:33:47,771
On it.
586
00:33:52,893 --> 00:33:56,411
So, these are text messages
from 2019 and 2020,
587
00:33:56,412 --> 00:33:58,705
and you don't have to read too many
to realise that they were
588
00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:01,270
quite clearly in a relationship
at this point.
589
00:34:02,195 --> 00:34:05,719
"Hey. At work,
and can't stop replaying last night.
590
00:34:05,719 --> 00:34:08,114
"Getting hard just thinking about you.
591
00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:11,719
"G. Kiss, kiss, kiss."
Yeah, last of the great charmers (!)
592
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,548
- That's, er, February 2020.
- OK.
593
00:34:15,858 --> 00:34:18,757
"Eurostar full. How about we fly?
594
00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:22,012
"J and T away with her mum
for the weekend,
595
00:34:22,013 --> 00:34:23,603
"shall we play?"
596
00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:25,739
That's April 2019.
597
00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:30,096
So, we got emails going between them
from late 2018,
598
00:34:30,121 --> 00:34:32,862
which is when the relationship
seemed to have started.
599
00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:36,022
- OK. So she flat-out lied.
- Hm. Yeah.
600
00:34:36,319 --> 00:34:40,464
It all seems to go sour,
sort of start of 2021.
601
00:34:40,465 --> 00:34:43,551
My guess is that he knew
not to write down too much.
602
00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,683
But I did find these three messages.
603
00:34:46,683 --> 00:34:50,284
These are just from his side,
and these are from February 2021.
604
00:34:50,309 --> 00:34:52,972
"Do not ignore me, Mel,
or you will regret it."
605
00:34:52,973 --> 00:34:54,113
Yeah.
606
00:34:54,584 --> 00:34:56,590
"Mel, call me,
607
00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:59,918
"we can still discuss the amount,
I am open to discussion."
608
00:34:59,919 --> 00:35:03,173
And this last one
is from the 15th of February.
609
00:35:03,174 --> 00:35:06,355
"If you make me lose everything
I have ever worked for,
610
00:35:06,355 --> 00:35:08,918
"I swear to God, I will fuck you up."
611
00:35:09,711 --> 00:35:13,879
- OK. So, these are blackmail threats.
- From a person we know was violent.
612
00:35:19,073 --> 00:35:21,286
- Do you think they could have met?
- Who?
613
00:35:22,852 --> 00:35:24,709
Melinda and Juliet?
614
00:35:29,012 --> 00:35:31,695
- Wow.
- Oh. It's just a thought.
615
00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:35,492
OK, er...
616
00:35:36,178 --> 00:35:38,986
One of us has to go over there,
and it can't be me.
617
00:35:39,186 --> 00:35:40,552
- OK.
- Sorry.
618
00:35:41,042 --> 00:35:43,916
- Er, no, that's fine.
- It's just... I... I, erm...
619
00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:48,345
I still have stuff
going on at home, Sunny.
620
00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:49,592
No, you don't have to explain.
621
00:35:49,593 --> 00:35:52,538
I'm sorry. Because I know we...
You know, we both...
622
00:35:52,539 --> 00:35:54,700
shared before, but, erm...
623
00:35:55,304 --> 00:35:56,985
it... it...
624
00:35:57,010 --> 00:36:01,249
To be honest,
it is just so damn complicated,
625
00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:02,957
I wouldn't even know where to begin.
626
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,151
Seriously, no worries at all.
627
00:36:05,743 --> 00:36:09,228
But also, you know, I'm here if you...
628
00:36:10,011 --> 00:36:12,056
Thank you. Seriously.
629
00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:15,010
- Thank you.
- OK. Right.
630
00:36:30,097 --> 00:36:33,391
- Erm... Sorry. Hey, Lee?
- Hey, how you doing?
631
00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:35,521
Yeah, all great, thanks.
632
00:36:35,546 --> 00:36:36,950
Did you get my message?
633
00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,606
Yeah, really sorry,
I've been mad busy, but, erm...
634
00:36:40,607 --> 00:36:42,992
- I'll call you.
- Yeah, I...
635
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,668
- No rush. Just... Yeah.
- Yeah. Speak soon, then.
636
00:36:48,576 --> 00:36:52,381
Er... Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt.
637
00:36:54,625 --> 00:36:57,010
So, what I was saying is financially...
638
00:37:12,784 --> 00:37:14,545
It'll just be ten seconds.
639
00:37:15,243 --> 00:37:18,152
Alison said she needed to be here
if you spoke to me,
640
00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,219
so where... where's Alison?
641
00:37:20,244 --> 00:37:23,392
I didn't wanna get her all the way
down here just for a swab, Marty.
642
00:37:23,417 --> 00:37:26,964
Oh, come on, love,
help the young lady out, huh?
643
00:37:27,816 --> 00:37:30,439
Okey-dokey, pig in a pokey.
644
00:37:33,958 --> 00:37:36,036
I-I... So, just give me a minute.
645
00:37:43,652 --> 00:37:46,447
OK... Here we go.
646
00:37:55,803 --> 00:37:56,715
Hey.
647
00:37:57,163 --> 00:37:58,083
Hi.
648
00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:03,526
Is Hassan not here?
649
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,007
He's not back from work yet.
650
00:38:08,163 --> 00:38:09,053
Look...
651
00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:12,565
Asif, I've been thinking
about everything you said, and...
652
00:38:13,984 --> 00:38:15,904
..I'm... I'm sorry.
653
00:38:17,635 --> 00:38:19,104
I really am.
654
00:38:21,915 --> 00:38:25,367
Asif... You cope so well.
655
00:38:27,275 --> 00:38:29,368
You're so, so strong, that...
656
00:38:30,568 --> 00:38:32,568
..I forget what you've been through.
657
00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:37,513
But, I mean, the truth is I...
658
00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:43,568
I can't even begin to imagine
what it must have been like for you.
659
00:38:47,328 --> 00:38:51,863
And... I do... completely understand
your anger.
660
00:38:56,327 --> 00:38:57,241
And...
661
00:38:57,812 --> 00:38:58,946
Listen.
662
00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:01,568
I wanna try and help.
663
00:39:17,994 --> 00:39:20,194
- Evening, sir.
- Hello.
664
00:39:21,034 --> 00:39:22,361
Is this your home?
665
00:39:22,656 --> 00:39:24,162
Er, it is, yeah.
666
00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:26,889
- You're Samuel Collet?
- Yes.
667
00:39:26,994 --> 00:39:29,071
Mr Collet, my name is Officer Hughes
668
00:39:29,096 --> 00:39:30,691
from the Immigration Enforcement Unit.
669
00:39:30,691 --> 00:39:32,812
I have a warrant
to search these premises
670
00:39:32,813 --> 00:39:36,380
under Section 28D
of the Immigration Act 1971,
671
00:39:36,405 --> 00:39:39,034
with regard to information
gained on an earlier raid today.
672
00:39:39,356 --> 00:39:40,920
Are we OK to come in, please?
673
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:43,574
Yeah... Yeah, sure.
674
00:40:03,418 --> 00:40:04,994
Enjoy your flight, sir.
675
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Thanks.
676
00:40:22,931 --> 00:40:26,450
Marty? Marty, come on.
677
00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:31,643
Why have you double-locked the door,
Marty?
678
00:40:32,273 --> 00:40:36,244
I just need to see Mum, sweetheart.
Please, let me in.
679
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,803
Marty.
680
00:40:41,906 --> 00:40:44,205
I just need to see Mum's OK.
681
00:40:44,249 --> 00:40:47,941
If you don't let me in,
I'll have to call the police.
682
00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:30,289
OK, sure.
683
00:41:30,314 --> 00:41:33,661
OK, do you wanna come through,
please, Mr Collet?
684
00:41:35,374 --> 00:41:37,874
Why... Why is my partner still here?
685
00:41:37,899 --> 00:41:39,689
- Ah-ah-ah...
- No, I've already explained to you.
686
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,023
It's got nothing to do with him,
it was all me.
687
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:45,340
This way.
688
00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:51,868
OK, we've had a request from
a Bishop Street station in London
689
00:41:51,893 --> 00:41:53,713
in connection
with another investigation.
690
00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:56,023
They're asking if they could
get a swab from you today.
691
00:41:56,023 --> 00:41:57,084
You OK with that?
692
00:41:58,155 --> 00:41:59,046
Yes.
693
00:41:59,046 --> 00:42:00,537
If you'd like to follow me,
then, please.
694
00:42:36,923 --> 00:42:39,234
Yeah, it would just be
a general chat, really,
695
00:42:39,235 --> 00:42:43,074
just about the events leading up
to her dad's disappearance.
696
00:42:43,075 --> 00:42:44,150
Right.
697
00:42:44,151 --> 00:42:46,971
Which, as I say,
for a number of reasons,
698
00:42:46,972 --> 00:42:49,930
we would rather do
without her mum present.
699
00:42:49,955 --> 00:42:51,027
'Is she...?'
700
00:42:52,217 --> 00:42:56,179
I mean, has Mrs Cooper been arrested?
701
00:42:56,545 --> 00:42:59,258
No. Not yet.
702
00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:02,442
'I'll need to take some advice on
this, can I call you right back?'
703
00:43:02,467 --> 00:43:05,172
Yeah. OK. ASAP, please. Bye.
704
00:43:05,689 --> 00:43:07,304
Sorry to disturb, guv.
705
00:43:07,305 --> 00:43:10,670
Juliet Cooper's downstairs,
and she wants to speak to you.
706
00:43:14,817 --> 00:43:17,409
Yesterday, my daughter told me
707
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:19,988
that about a week
before her dad went missing,
708
00:43:20,479 --> 00:43:22,311
she'd come home from school
709
00:43:22,564 --> 00:43:26,849
to find a young man
who'd worked for Gerry in our flat.
710
00:43:28,479 --> 00:43:30,694
He'd obviously broken in somehow.
711
00:43:30,695 --> 00:43:32,823
I was still at work,
Gerry was out at meetings,
712
00:43:32,824 --> 00:43:35,155
meaning Taylor was alone with him.
713
00:43:35,493 --> 00:43:37,595
And did she know him?
714
00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:40,636
Yeah, she'd chatted to him
when he worked downstairs,
715
00:43:40,636 --> 00:43:45,382
but she said he was very agitated
and very angry.
716
00:43:45,383 --> 00:43:46,809
- About?
- Her dad.
717
00:43:47,311 --> 00:43:49,093
Maybe me a bit.
718
00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:54,046
And he told her
that he wanted to hurt her dad
719
00:43:54,207 --> 00:43:56,661
like he thought Gerry had hurt him.
720
00:43:57,258 --> 00:43:59,522
- And how old was Taylor?
- Eleven.
721
00:43:59,753 --> 00:44:02,062
My God, that must
have been terrifying for her.
722
00:44:02,063 --> 00:44:05,477
- It was.
- And, so, what happened?
723
00:44:06,011 --> 00:44:07,768
Well, she managed to convince him
724
00:44:07,768 --> 00:44:10,011
that hurting her dad
would be a bad idea...
725
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:13,366
..and that it would really upset her.
726
00:44:14,222 --> 00:44:16,040
He said he didn't want to do that.
727
00:44:17,669 --> 00:44:19,964
So then she made him a glass of squash.
728
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,133
They chatted a bit more,
729
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:25,670
and after about 20 minutes,
he just left.
730
00:44:27,149 --> 00:44:28,604
And why...
731
00:44:29,008 --> 00:44:31,062
why has she
never told you about this before?
732
00:44:31,062 --> 00:44:32,879
She hadn't wanted
to get him into trouble.
733
00:44:34,203 --> 00:44:35,493
She liked him.
734
00:44:35,691 --> 00:44:37,330
She felt sorry for him, as do I.
735
00:44:37,331 --> 00:44:40,249
Hence my slowness in telling you this.
736
00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:44,825
I know he went through
a really tough time in the pandemic.
737
00:44:48,617 --> 00:44:50,155
Does she remember his name?
738
00:44:51,067 --> 00:44:52,129
Yes.
739
00:44:52,768 --> 00:44:56,223
It was Marty. Marty Baines.
740
00:45:06,016 --> 00:45:07,848
- Here.
- Oh, no.
741
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:09,955
There's no-one
in either of the bedrooms.
742
00:45:09,956 --> 00:45:11,209
Ambulance.
743
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,430
Medical assistance
required urgently, please.
744
00:45:13,455 --> 00:45:16,357
Dot? Dot, can you hear me? Dot?
745
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,796
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