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I was just calling to see
if maybe we could meet up,
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just the two of us, to talk?
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Mr Cooper was also
the victim of an assault
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three weeks before he disappeared.
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I told them I thought
his death had probably been violent
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- because of the money.
- Why would we have him killed?
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Dead man don't pay debts.
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Reckon it was committed by a lad
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that Cooper employed the previous
year but who'd not got furlough.
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Hello, Marty, how are we today?
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I'm not sure Mum's being looked
after as well as she needs, Marty.
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I'd like to speak to social services.
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I can't leave him on his own.
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I'd ask how happy she was, knowing
that he was with another woman.
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What other woman?
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If you say anything to anyone
that brings people to my door,
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you will regret it.
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He didn't have
the name of the employee, but...
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Fran found one of the old bar staff,
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so that might throw something up.
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OK, well, I'm at the widow's now,
so I'll ask her as well.
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Yeah, cool, speak later.
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- Leanne, what's up?
- Massive breakthrough.
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- What?
- I've found a pub in King's Cross
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where you can actually hear
yourself talk.
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Game-changing.
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I'm a great team player
who enjoys meeting new challenges
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on a daily basis.
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And I'm a great team player
who enjoys meeting new challenges
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on a daily basis.
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And so basically,
there's pretty good evidence
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to suggest the money was paid back.
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What evidence?
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A cash deposit in Markaj's account
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eight days
before your husband went missing.
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- Right.
- Now, obviously we will check that,
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but for now, we're pretty satisfied
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that Mr Markaj isn't
a person of interest.
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Getting a strong sense of deja vu here.
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One thing Sidhu did consider
was the possibility
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the attack outside the pub was
committed by a disgruntled employee.
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Which employee?
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Some lad
who hadn't been given furlough.
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- I don't know anything about that.
- No?
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Sorry.
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OK, erm...
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..and then lastly, can I just ask you
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if you ever thought your husband
might have been having an affair?
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What the fuck sort of question's that?
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Sorry,
it came out of the Markaj interview.
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He said he saw him in his car
with another woman.
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I'm sure he did.
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- No, I didn't.
- No suspicions at all?
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- No. Never.
- OK.
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Thanks very much for your time, Juliet.
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Er, I-I think I might postpone tonight.
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- Was he?
- Sorry?
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- Having an affair.
- No.
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Absolutely not. Jesus,
you weren't meant to hear that.
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No... he wasn't.
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Did you hear what I said
about the therapy session?
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm just not
in the right headspace today.
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What about me?
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You've resisted this for three years,
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and now you can't wait a few days?
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It's different now, though, isn't it?
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Stuff's coming out.
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I'll pick you up at seven.
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- Paul.
- Jules.
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Just wondering whether you'd
reconsidered what we discussed.
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Fine, I'll meet them.
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Police have today identified
the remains found
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in Whitney Marsh last week
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as belonging to Bow Publican
Gerard Cooper.
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Mr Cooper, who was 54 years old
at the time of his disappearance,
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was reported missing in February 2021.
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Following the gruesome discovery
on Sunday morning,
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police have now launched
a murder investigation
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and have appealed for anyone with
any information to come forward.
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You know, the first time I saw the
sea was in Calais with my brother.
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We'd originally planned to cross
in September, but...
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..it ended up taking us seven months
to get to France.
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Rather than wait for spring,
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we decided to take a cheaper place
in January.
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33 of us...
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..in a boat designed for 12.
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26 men, four women, three kids.
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The water started coming in
after about an hour.
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We rang the coastguard, but they
said we were still in French waters.
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I told them
there were children on board, but...
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And then a wave tipped us over.
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No-one tells you about the cold,
Hassan.
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Sucks the air right out of your lungs.
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Can't even scream.
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We got picked up by the UK coastguard
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maybe 40 minutes later.
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26 of us by that point.
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The others they found the next day.
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My brother and one of the kids
didn't wash up for a week.
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- Fab, thank you.
- Good luck.
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Thanks.
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So, how long did you work for him?
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Nearly four years, total,
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although one year of that was the
first year of the pandemic, so...
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And you got furloughed?
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I did. Generally speaking,
was he a good employer?
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He was, yeah.
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- Little pause there.
- No, just, er...
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He was a... an old white guy, you know.
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A little... unreconstructed.
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But I'm nit-picking. He was a nice guy.
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OK. And did you know his wife?
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A bit, they lived above the pub,
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so, yeah, I got to know
her and Taylor a bit.
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And you got on with Juliet OK?
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I'm not sure she was in love
with the idea of him running a pub,
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but... yeah, we got on fine.
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So did they get on all right?
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I'd say not brilliantly,
from what I saw.
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- In what way?
- She could be quite
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dismissive of him, like she thought
he was a bit...
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- stupid.
- Right.
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So did they row, or...?
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I mean, not at the pub, no,
but a few times, when it was quiet,
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or before we were open,
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I heard them going at each other
through the ceiling.
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Oh, OK.
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So, your other colleagues there,
the other staff,
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did any of them ever fall out with him?
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No, not really, until lockdown.
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Yes, right, so this is the guy
who didn't get furloughed?
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Yes.
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- What was his name?
- Martin.
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Or we called him Marty. Marty Baines.
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Most men with the same injury
as Patrick's can't ejaculate, no.
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But as I'm sure
you've heard said many times,
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- every case is unique.
- Yes.
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And if you were...
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thinking of starting a family, there is
of course sperm harvesting, and...
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That's fine, that's...
that's all I needed to know.
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Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you.
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Sorry.
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Sorry, "Baines" you said?
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Yeah, Martin or Marty.
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Do we have an address?
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She reckoned he moved back
to his parents in Kent somewhere
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shortly after Cooper disappeared.
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- How shortly?
- A week or so later.
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Well, the wife's dropping
over a load of PAYE records later.
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- There might be an address in there.
- I'll get Kaz on it.
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So, your witness was basically
saying the same as Ram Sidhu?
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Yeah, that Cooper and this Marty
had fallen out,
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she reckoned about furlough.
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Now, did she actually witness a row?
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She said SHE didn't, but one
of her co-workers, a lady called...
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Brianna West, who's now travelling,
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did see him get physical with Cooper.
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She saw him slam Cooper
up against a wall.
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- And when was this?
- February, 2021.
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- Wow.
- I've messaged Brianna,
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but no idea whether she'll get it,
though.
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- OK.
- It's also worth mentioning
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she thought this lad had some kind
of disability, her guess was ASD.
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Has Murray got
the original assault files back yet?
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- Coming later this afternoon apparently.
- OK.
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I also mentioned a possible
girlfriend to the wife this morning.
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- And?
- Yeah, she didn't like it,
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which makes me think
your man Markaj was on the money.
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Any of the people that
your team spoke to this morning
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hint at another woman?
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I haven't gone through it all.
I'll check.
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Because a row that got out of hand
about infidelity...
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is just about the oldest motive
for murder there is.
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You see, men like you and me...
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...we don't do well
in detention centres.
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I got assaulted so many times, Hass...
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...without any intervention
from the authorities.
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So, yes, as long
as I pass my citizenship test,
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I'll have a passport and a legal
right to settle and work here.
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Hiya! Oh.
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Wow... Hassan...
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Hello, Sam.
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You're a week early. Yeah, no, the...
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..the exercise got snowed off.
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Sorry, does somebody wanna tell me
what the fuck is going on?
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SAM, SHOUTING: You know,
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what's more upsetting
than what you've actually done
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is the fact that
you've obviously been planning this
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for months behind my back.
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Yes.
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He says unapologetically.
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Well, if you'd come back
when you said you were coming back,
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you would never have known,
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so what was the point
in telling you something
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that I knew you'd stop me doing?
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All right, so you think
the only problem here
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is that you got found out.
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Don't... speak to me like
I'm one of your fucking squaddies.
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Don't you dare...
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speak to me like you think you have
some natural authority over me.
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Please, don't speak to me
like I've done something wrong.
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All I have done is walk into MY house,
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and I've found
an illegal immigrant living here.
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- Our friend Hassan, you mean?
- Yeah, our friend Hassan, sorry.
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How many times?
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It's not illegal
for someone seeking asylum
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to cross the Channel
however they want to.
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Yes, I know, I know.
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I know!
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Obviously...
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..it's terrible...
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that he had to do that,
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and I'm sorry if I sound
unsympathetic right now, Asif.
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But whether you like it or not,
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until he does formally seek asylum,
he is here illegally.
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How did he get here... specifically?
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In a lorry.
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- Which you paid for?
- Yes.
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And I owe him much more than that.
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As do you, actually, Sam,
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considering he saved both our lives,
or... or have you forgotten that?
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No, of course I've not forgotten that.
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Well, what's his plan now?
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He's going to stay with Omar
from Friday
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whilst we get him documents,
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and then he will live his life
in the UK.
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- Illegal documents, you mean.
- Yeah.
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I-I can't be here, Sif, with him.
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If anyone found us, I...
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Er...
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I... Yeah, I'll kip at my sister's
tonight, but, erm...
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..he needs to be gone by tomorrow.
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Mum's looked after you
all of her life, Marty,
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so it's a massive change for you
to suddenly have to look after her
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And this is absolutely not your fault.
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It's been a massive change, Doreen.
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As I said, none of this
will have to be permanent,
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if we can get you up and walking, Dot,
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then hopefully,
we can get you back home asap.
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And what about me?
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Well, I'll also be recommending some
help for you, either here at home,
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or in some form of supported
accommodation, how does that sound?
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I live here with Mum.
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- It's a lot to grasp, isn't it?
- It is a lot to grasp.
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Listen, none of this
will have to be immediate.
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These things do take a while,
so we'll keep talking,
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and if you have any worries,
just call, yeah?
248
00:17:03,227 --> 00:17:05,822
And often, I find it helpful
to ask clients
249
00:17:05,823 --> 00:17:07,941
what it is they hope
to get out of this?
250
00:17:09,645 --> 00:17:11,649
Maybe I could ask you first, Juliet,
251
00:17:12,071 --> 00:17:14,412
what it is that you'd like to achieve?
252
00:17:16,368 --> 00:17:18,858
Er... I...
253
00:17:20,281 --> 00:17:22,920
I guess I'd like Taylor to be happier.
254
00:17:23,378 --> 00:17:26,425
I mean, I know
I'm not really meant to say that.
255
00:17:26,605 --> 00:17:27,709
Say what?
256
00:17:28,651 --> 00:17:31,275
That I just want her to be happy...
257
00:17:32,173 --> 00:17:33,920
..cos actually that's, erm...
258
00:17:35,513 --> 00:17:37,209
..that's a pretty big ask.
259
00:17:38,516 --> 00:17:40,055
So, I guess...
260
00:17:42,619 --> 00:17:44,572
..I want her to be able to cope...
261
00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:47,150
with school, with me...
262
00:17:47,469 --> 00:17:48,529
with the future.
263
00:17:48,554 --> 00:17:50,751
Well, yeah, coping's a good aspiration.
264
00:17:55,404 --> 00:17:57,008
And what do you want for yourself?
265
00:18:03,411 --> 00:18:04,615
The same.
266
00:18:07,469 --> 00:18:08,931
But... you know...
267
00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,392
if... if she's OK...
268
00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:15,138
then I kind of would be.
269
00:18:15,816 --> 00:18:17,816
OK. Thank you.
270
00:18:19,411 --> 00:18:23,219
And, Taylor...
what would you like out of all this?
271
00:18:24,469 --> 00:18:25,669
Honesty.
272
00:18:28,276 --> 00:18:31,116
I just want some real honesty
between us.
273
00:18:42,303 --> 00:18:44,042
- Hey.
- Hi!
274
00:18:46,469 --> 00:18:48,468
This is the plan to take us over, man,
275
00:18:48,469 --> 00:18:50,468
this is the Protocol
of the Elders of Zion.
276
00:18:50,469 --> 00:18:53,285
What about Blair? What about
Zelenskyy? What about Stoltenberg?
277
00:18:53,286 --> 00:18:55,331
When will they arrest
THOSE sons of bitches?
278
00:18:55,332 --> 00:18:57,029
He knew they'd try to shut him down.
279
00:18:57,054 --> 00:18:59,669
They did the same with Fox.
They won't let him speak the truth.
280
00:18:59,669 --> 00:19:01,874
So now finally they admit
it was a bio leak...
281
00:19:01,899 --> 00:19:02,829
Marty?
282
00:19:02,854 --> 00:19:04,008
..how soon before they admit this was
283
00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:05,369
- population control?
- Marty?
284
00:19:05,369 --> 00:19:07,374
Marty, are you all right?
285
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,639
Marty, what you doing? Marty?
286
00:19:20,747 --> 00:19:23,215
I mean, you know
it's got everyone there, innit?
287
00:19:23,215 --> 00:19:24,751
He's royalty as well.
288
00:19:24,829 --> 00:19:26,536
Well, obviously,
they'd have been happier
289
00:19:26,536 --> 00:19:29,514
if I'd been a doctor
or a lawyer or a...
290
00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:30,786
or a Prime Minister.
291
00:19:31,214 --> 00:19:33,100
Thanks, Rishi, for that.
292
00:19:33,101 --> 00:19:36,127
But, yeah, I think
they'd've been proud of me, yeah.
293
00:19:36,128 --> 00:19:37,687
What about your mum and dad?
294
00:19:49,894 --> 00:19:54,129
Would you rather fight
one wolf-sized chicken
295
00:19:54,129 --> 00:19:56,042
or four chicken-sized wolves?
296
00:20:12,687 --> 00:20:15,025
Sorry, I haven't had anyone
round for...
297
00:20:16,313 --> 00:20:18,000
..well, forever, actually.
298
00:20:20,653 --> 00:20:23,266
Would you like a cup of tea or coffee?
299
00:20:24,412 --> 00:20:26,654
Although I don't have any milk.
300
00:20:28,017 --> 00:20:31,207
Why don't you...
Why don't you nip out and...
301
00:20:31,208 --> 00:20:32,700
and get some, and...
302
00:20:33,729 --> 00:20:35,573
I'll make a start on the dishes.
303
00:20:36,854 --> 00:20:37,854
Sorry.
304
00:20:51,214 --> 00:20:55,235
And I get so fed up
of people feeling sorry for me.
305
00:20:55,493 --> 00:20:58,633
It's great, being single.
I have a lovely life.
306
00:20:58,854 --> 00:21:01,320
I have freedom, money,
307
00:21:01,321 --> 00:21:04,709
great friends,
fabulous nieces and nephews...
308
00:21:05,343 --> 00:21:07,057
- so, yeah.
- Yeah.
309
00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,667
To singletons! To singletons!
310
00:21:19,091 --> 00:21:20,973
And are things improving, or...
311
00:21:21,743 --> 00:21:25,091
Well... I've started some new meds,
312
00:21:25,297 --> 00:21:30,090
and they do... seem to work better
than the last ones, so...
313
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,963
And do you need anything?
314
00:21:36,955 --> 00:21:39,840
Money? A cleaner? Anything?
315
00:21:40,792 --> 00:21:43,169
I'm good, but thank you.
316
00:21:46,091 --> 00:21:47,091
So...
317
00:21:49,657 --> 00:21:51,468
..the reason, erm...
318
00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:57,510
..the reason I wanted to meet up
was to see if we could...
319
00:21:58,639 --> 00:22:00,052
..move forward.
320
00:22:00,356 --> 00:22:02,914
- Yes.
- You know, cos...
321
00:22:03,866 --> 00:22:05,450
you are my sister...
322
00:22:07,552 --> 00:22:09,070
..and I do love you.
323
00:22:10,552 --> 00:22:13,480
And I love you too... so much.
324
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,275
Except I'm not sure
that I can move forward
325
00:22:16,276 --> 00:22:20,830
until I know for sure that you're
been completely truthful with me.
326
00:22:21,346 --> 00:22:23,798
- And I wanna be.
- OK, so...
327
00:22:24,429 --> 00:22:28,036
did Mum tell you what Steve said...
328
00:22:28,447 --> 00:22:32,114
about you and him when I confronted
him with what you told me?
329
00:22:32,139 --> 00:22:33,176
Yes.
330
00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:37,314
That you'd lied to me
about sleeping with him for...
331
00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:39,851
I mean, for reasons
I still don't fully understand,
332
00:22:39,876 --> 00:22:41,907
but that it was just kiss.
333
00:22:42,503 --> 00:22:46,841
And it was just some kind
of weird... emotional thing?
334
00:22:47,604 --> 00:22:50,876
- Yes.
- And was that true?
335
00:22:55,262 --> 00:22:56,884
I don't know what to say, Jessie.
336
00:22:58,403 --> 00:23:01,341
I don't know what to say that
will best allow you to forgive me.
337
00:23:01,342 --> 00:23:04,207
Just... the truth, Debs.
338
00:23:04,876 --> 00:23:06,215
That's all.
339
00:23:11,382 --> 00:23:16,382
The truth is it was some weird
kind of emotional thing.
340
00:23:18,228 --> 00:23:20,875
I was pretty lost, and...
341
00:23:22,349 --> 00:23:24,401
..he seemed to be also, and he...
342
00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:27,334
seemed vulnerable.
343
00:23:27,335 --> 00:23:29,999
And like he wanted to help me too,
and we just...
344
00:23:32,987 --> 00:23:34,918
..connected for a few months.
345
00:23:37,634 --> 00:23:39,444
But it wasn't just a kiss.
346
00:23:42,434 --> 00:23:44,112
We did sleep together...
347
00:23:45,845 --> 00:23:47,487
..like I said in the pub.
348
00:23:51,278 --> 00:23:53,855
And actually,
it was more than just once.
349
00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:23,427
Thank you.
350
00:24:26,494 --> 00:24:27,494
Thank you.
351
00:24:35,399 --> 00:24:37,785
- I'm gonna walk.
- I'm tubing it.
352
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:42,006
Well, sorry to have...
got you twatted, but, erm...
353
00:24:42,997 --> 00:24:45,169
..that was a really lovely evening,
so thank you.
354
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:46,064
Well, thank you.
355
00:24:46,065 --> 00:24:48,810
I'd sort of forgotten what it was
like to have such a good laugh.
356
00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:50,503
We aim to please.
357
00:24:58,810 --> 00:25:01,620
- Sorry.
- Oh, no, no, no, it's just, I...
358
00:25:01,621 --> 00:25:03,947
- Night, dollface.
- Leanne?
359
00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:16,202
Hi, Mum, it's me.
360
00:25:16,227 --> 00:25:18,747
Look, I was just wondering
if you could come over this evening?
361
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:20,919
Sure, gimme a call. OK, thanks, bye.
362
00:25:26,905 --> 00:25:30,915
Hey, Leanne, it's Sunny.
That was a great night last night.
363
00:25:31,777 --> 00:25:34,688
If you fancy grabbing a bite
on Friday, then gimme a call.
364
00:25:34,689 --> 00:25:36,584
Bye. Jess?
365
00:25:38,227 --> 00:25:39,283
Hey, Sunny.
366
00:25:41,944 --> 00:25:43,481
- Hey.
- How are you?
367
00:25:43,506 --> 00:25:46,047
- Yeah, good, how are you?
- Oh, you know.
368
00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:48,248
So, there was a bloke from yesterday
369
00:25:48,248 --> 00:25:50,035
who'd known Gerry since they were kids,
370
00:25:50,035 --> 00:25:51,766
and he'd said in passing
371
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:54,150
that Gerry was always
"a bit of a rascal".
372
00:25:54,454 --> 00:25:56,379
I mean, what does that mean?
373
00:25:56,404 --> 00:25:58,058
Well, yeah, I rang him back to ask,
374
00:25:58,058 --> 00:26:01,703
and basically, he told me that
a few months before he disappeared,
375
00:26:01,704 --> 00:26:02,867
he'd seen him with another woman.
376
00:26:02,868 --> 00:26:04,866
Wow, OK, where?
377
00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:07,526
In a pub they used to drink in
as kids in Aldgate.
378
00:26:08,042 --> 00:26:10,645
He said he'd introduced her
to him as Melinda.
379
00:26:10,646 --> 00:26:12,485
- No surname?
- No.
380
00:26:12,485 --> 00:26:15,066
And he thought she was
more than just a friend why?
381
00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:17,705
Because they were on their own
in the corner, all over each other.
382
00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,919
And any more specific idea
when this might have happened?
383
00:26:21,385 --> 00:26:23,103
Yes, actually very specific,
384
00:26:23,104 --> 00:26:26,318
because it was the day
after the second lockdown had ended,
385
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,517
and the pubs had just reopened,
so everyone was a bit demob happy.
386
00:26:30,612 --> 00:26:33,164
- Yeah, when was that?
- Third of December, 2020.
387
00:26:33,189 --> 00:26:34,896
Any description of her?
388
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:38,346
40-ish, pretty, beautiful red hair.
389
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:44,230
OK, erm... can we put in a request
for Cooper's mobile data?
390
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:46,389
Calls, texts, and triangulation.
391
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:49,946
We should try open source socials as
well, and emails while we're at it.
392
00:26:49,971 --> 00:26:52,546
Yeah. See if we can't find out
this woman's full name.
393
00:26:52,571 --> 00:26:54,090
- Boss.
- Kaz?
394
00:26:54,091 --> 00:26:58,074
Yeah, so, PAYE records, year ended '21,
395
00:26:58,099 --> 00:26:59,431
we do have an M Baines.
396
00:26:59,432 --> 00:27:03,148
Two addresses, though, one in Ilford
and then the other in Deal, Kent.
397
00:27:03,149 --> 00:27:04,918
Oh, it'll be the Kent one now
398
00:27:04,918 --> 00:27:08,190
cos we know he moved
back there in March, 2021.
399
00:27:08,191 --> 00:27:09,800
OK, can you ping that
over to me, please?
400
00:27:09,801 --> 00:27:13,811
Mm-hm. Oh, and I have found
three USB sticks for the car park,
401
00:27:13,812 --> 00:27:15,200
just gotta go through the footage.
402
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,806
Good stuff. Murray?
403
00:27:16,806 --> 00:27:19,468
So, Mrs Cooper dropped off
the tenancy documents yesterday.
404
00:27:19,469 --> 00:27:20,114
Good.
405
00:27:20,114 --> 00:27:22,267
But concentrating on
Cooper's assault for now,
406
00:27:22,267 --> 00:27:23,977
he said he was hit from behind
407
00:27:23,977 --> 00:27:25,874
and that the assailant
was wearing a hoodie.
408
00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:29,094
Now, two brief bits of CCTV were found
409
00:27:29,094 --> 00:27:31,239
showing a man matching that description
410
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,482
walking away from the direction
of the Three Crowns car park
411
00:27:34,483 --> 00:27:36,330
and in the direction of Bow tube.
412
00:27:36,331 --> 00:27:37,830
- And followed up?
- No.
413
00:27:37,831 --> 00:27:39,829
The footage was timed at 10:33,
414
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:42,249
which was thought to be half hour
after the attack happened.
415
00:27:42,274 --> 00:27:44,027
- So?
- The thing is...
416
00:27:44,028 --> 00:27:47,382
he was knocked unconscious,
and when his wife found him,
417
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,779
she assumed
the attack had just happened,
418
00:27:49,804 --> 00:27:52,708
when actually he could have been
sparko for half an hour.
419
00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:56,258
Ah, so, in which case,
the timing might fit?
420
00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:57,803
- Yeah, exactly.
- Hm.
421
00:27:57,803 --> 00:28:00,692
- OK, let's see it.
- This is the first one.
422
00:28:06,508 --> 00:28:08,638
- What's he doing with his hand?
- Don't know.
423
00:28:08,639 --> 00:28:11,297
- I thought waving at someone.
- Can we see the next bit?
424
00:28:20,364 --> 00:28:21,898
Sorry, can you play it again?
425
00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:27,364
Is he hailing a cab?
426
00:28:31,364 --> 00:28:32,818
Or is he stimming?
427
00:28:33,024 --> 00:28:34,170
- "Stimming"?
- Yeah.
428
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:36,834
It's something
that some autistic people do.
429
00:28:36,835 --> 00:28:38,511
I have a cousin who's on the sphere.
430
00:28:38,512 --> 00:28:42,695
It's a sort of repetitive movement
to alleviate stress.
431
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:45,608
OK, you wanna ping that address
over to me now?
432
00:28:45,609 --> 00:28:47,719
We need to get down to Deal ASAP.
433
00:29:08,378 --> 00:29:10,557
So he put all his properties
through you?
434
00:29:10,771 --> 00:29:13,391
- Yeah.
- And over what time scale was this?
435
00:29:13,392 --> 00:29:16,966
We started letting the first one
in 2014,
436
00:29:16,966 --> 00:29:20,885
and we stopped working with him
in late 2020.
437
00:29:20,886 --> 00:29:23,287
- So six years, give or take.
- Mm.
438
00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:26,589
And within those three properties,
there were 19 rooms,
439
00:29:26,589 --> 00:29:29,416
all needing separate contracts,
quite often, short term,
440
00:29:29,417 --> 00:29:31,057
so it was a very full-on job.
441
00:29:31,057 --> 00:29:32,891
We often spoke several times a week.
442
00:29:32,892 --> 00:29:35,033
- What was he like to work with?
- Oh, he was a nightmare.
443
00:29:35,058 --> 00:29:38,547
Oh. Wasn't expecting that.
In what respect?
444
00:29:38,771 --> 00:29:41,874
He just never wanted to spend
any money on anything.
445
00:29:41,874 --> 00:29:45,303
Amenities, maintenance,
safety regs, anything.
446
00:29:45,754 --> 00:29:47,624
Never mind
the legal issues that caused,
447
00:29:47,625 --> 00:29:50,340
we obviously have
moral and ethical responsibilities.
448
00:29:50,795 --> 00:29:54,363
And so in 2019,
we stopped managing the properties,
449
00:29:54,363 --> 00:29:55,435
just found him tenants.
450
00:29:55,436 --> 00:29:57,412
And after that,
he managed the tenants himself.
451
00:29:57,631 --> 00:30:00,006
Which was also a nightmare
because he was so combative.
452
00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:02,775
- In which way?
- In how he resolved disputes.
453
00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:06,267
Physically intimidating,
verbally aggressive.
454
00:30:06,802 --> 00:30:09,929
Look, meaning in the end,
we terminated our agreement with him
455
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:11,724
in September, 2020.
456
00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:16,574
OK. Now, where there any particular
disputes you can recall,
457
00:30:16,575 --> 00:30:20,039
say in 2020, that might have
properly boiled over?
458
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,567
I'd have to go back over emails
and records for specifics,
459
00:30:23,567 --> 00:30:27,836
but... generally speaking,
yeah, yeah, several.
460
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,039
If you could, that'd be really useful.
461
00:30:30,438 --> 00:30:31,577
No worries.
462
00:30:31,815 --> 00:30:32,688
Erm...
463
00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:35,608
what kind of people were his tenants?
464
00:30:35,608 --> 00:30:37,959
They were
almost exclusively asylum seekers,
465
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:39,904
I think he had a deal with the council.
466
00:30:40,723 --> 00:30:43,645
No doubt they presented
some challenges, but...
467
00:30:44,199 --> 00:30:46,485
everyone deserves
to live safely, right?
468
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:21,039
DS Boulting...
469
00:31:22,092 --> 00:31:24,575
..there was one case
that you should follow up.
470
00:31:24,798 --> 00:31:28,427
There was an Afghan family who had
a long-running dispute with him,
471
00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:29,935
really boiled over.
472
00:31:30,239 --> 00:31:31,749
I'll look for the files now,
473
00:31:31,749 --> 00:31:34,039
but you should start with the guy
that interpreted for them.
474
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,858
Lovely fella, Asif.
475
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,421
I am in no-one's debt.
476
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,820
And I am sick of being made to feel
like I should be grateful.
477
00:31:44,821 --> 00:31:47,066
No-one is saying that.
478
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,867
It's right there in your reaction
to what I did, Sam.
479
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,939
That I had the... temerity to bring
Hassan over here,
480
00:31:53,939 --> 00:31:55,828
to try and get him settled illegally.
481
00:31:55,964 --> 00:31:59,946
But that... that...
that isn't why I was angry.
482
00:32:00,772 --> 00:32:02,896
Look, I was angry because...
483
00:32:04,023 --> 00:32:06,902
I mean...
I mean, did it never occur to you
484
00:32:06,903 --> 00:32:09,615
what the implications
of what you were doing were for me?
485
00:32:12,435 --> 00:32:14,486
As far as I can tell, you're fine,
486
00:32:14,487 --> 00:32:17,290
on account of your government
not wanting to execute you
487
00:32:17,290 --> 00:32:18,731
for being gay.
488
00:32:22,786 --> 00:32:24,140
OK, that...
489
00:32:24,929 --> 00:32:27,752
that is my house... Asif...
490
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,328
which makes me party to a criminal act.
491
00:32:33,296 --> 00:32:36,997
I could lose my whole career
if Hassan was found there.
492
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,644
Interesting take.
493
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,293
Yeah, you know what?
They'd also probably charge you.
494
00:32:43,868 --> 00:32:46,195
Which would mean
the end of your citizenship test,
495
00:32:46,196 --> 00:32:49,679
the end of you being able to stay
here, and the end of us.
496
00:32:56,036 --> 00:33:00,541
Look, no-one is more ashamed
of the government than I am
497
00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:01,775
for what they did to you.
498
00:33:01,775 --> 00:33:05,358
I just... I don't see
how this makes things any better.
499
00:33:05,406 --> 00:33:07,768
It makes it better for him, Sam.
500
00:33:07,769 --> 00:33:09,945
Yeah, but at great risk to us.
501
00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:14,688
If Hass hadn't have got out,
the Taliban would have killed him...
502
00:33:14,925 --> 00:33:16,408
just like they would have killed me.
503
00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:21,972
So, I'm sorry, but I feel no guilt
in spitting in your system's face.
504
00:33:24,137 --> 00:33:25,808
They did it to me first.
505
00:33:38,966 --> 00:33:41,050
- Dead?
- I'm so sorry to be the bearer of...
506
00:33:41,050 --> 00:33:42,846
- Well, it wasn't Martin.
- Mum...
507
00:33:42,871 --> 00:33:47,191
- It wasn't Martin, cos he was...
- I said shut up, noisy bitch.
508
00:33:49,786 --> 00:33:51,311
I don't wanna talk here.
509
00:34:00,032 --> 00:34:01,274
Hey, Fran, it's me,
510
00:34:01,274 --> 00:34:03,741
we're gonna need an appropriate
adult for this afternoon.
511
00:34:03,741 --> 00:34:06,626
Yeah. Can you do a PCN check for me?
512
00:34:10,181 --> 00:34:11,809
Watch your head. There you go.
513
00:34:13,604 --> 00:34:15,533
Do you drive a car, Marty?
514
00:34:16,043 --> 00:34:19,092
Dad used to let me drive his,
but then we sold it.
515
00:34:19,117 --> 00:34:20,797
"Needed the moolah, me old mucker."
516
00:34:41,397 --> 00:34:43,397
So, my job, Marty,
517
00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,583
is to make sure that you're
fully aware of all your rights
518
00:34:46,757 --> 00:34:50,276
and to make sure that
you don't accidentally say something
519
00:34:50,277 --> 00:34:51,757
that gets you into trouble.
520
00:34:52,883 --> 00:34:56,440
- I don't want to get into trouble.
- I don't want you too either.
521
00:34:57,583 --> 00:34:59,323
So should I lie, then?
522
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,738
Well, it's generally better to tell
the truth... don't you think?
523
00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:14,418
So, if I have this right from
my reading of the court transcripts,
524
00:35:14,419 --> 00:35:16,797
Gerry Cooper's
actually an old friend of yours?
525
00:35:16,798 --> 00:35:20,001
- Yeah. Yeah, he was, yeah.
- Can you talk me through that?
526
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,199
Well, we'd known
each other most of our lives.
527
00:35:23,692 --> 00:35:25,122
We went to the same school,
528
00:35:25,122 --> 00:35:26,957
we lived round the corner
from each other.
529
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:28,983
I drank in his pub.
530
00:35:29,854 --> 00:35:34,722
And the assault occurred
at a rally in Westminster square?
531
00:35:34,722 --> 00:35:37,756
- Yeah.
- Had you gone there together?
532
00:35:37,757 --> 00:35:40,596
No, no, we ran into each other
by chance.
533
00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:41,778
What was the rally?
534
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:44,555
It was the day
of one of the big Brexit votes,
535
00:35:44,556 --> 00:35:47,199
it was March 29th, 2019.
536
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,200
- And you were there...
- I was a remainer.
537
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,316
And Mr Cooper?
538
00:35:50,317 --> 00:35:52,199
- Brexiteer.
- OK.
539
00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:55,757
So you just bumped into each other?
540
00:35:55,757 --> 00:35:56,969
Yeah. Yeah.
541
00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:59,489
- And it was all very friendly at first.
- Mm-hm.
542
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:02,065
And then we started talking
about the vote,
543
00:36:02,066 --> 00:36:04,799
and, yeah, well, it all got...
544
00:36:05,043 --> 00:36:07,003
really unpleasant really quickly.
545
00:36:07,004 --> 00:36:10,757
We'd both had a few drinks,
so that didn't help, but, erm...
546
00:36:12,449 --> 00:36:13,969
He just made me so angry.
547
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,806
He made you angry, or you got angry?
548
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:19,449
Yeah, well, yeah, there you go, look,
549
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:21,729
look, I'm sure
a lot of it was my fault.
550
00:36:21,754 --> 00:36:22,874
In what way?
551
00:36:23,286 --> 00:36:25,688
Well, he had a right to his opinions.
552
00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:28,461
I-I was just too interested in...
553
00:36:28,754 --> 00:36:31,282
in trying to wind him up and mock him.
554
00:36:31,283 --> 00:36:33,649
- So it got heated.
- Yeah. Yeah.
555
00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:37,949
He got angrier and angrier, as did I.
556
00:36:37,974 --> 00:36:40,120
And then he was making some point,
557
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,857
and he sort of prodded me in the chest,
558
00:36:41,858 --> 00:36:42,965
which really wound me up.
559
00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:45,789
So I sort of swiped his hand away...
560
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:48,937
which is when... he punched me...
561
00:36:49,974 --> 00:36:51,252
in the face...
562
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,392
..very fucking hard.
563
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,293
Hi, you've reached Leanne,
564
00:37:14,293 --> 00:37:16,008
please leave a message after the tone.
565
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:20,840
It's me again. Gimme a call.
566
00:37:22,433 --> 00:37:24,790
So, one arrest.
567
00:37:24,791 --> 00:37:27,739
- For?
- Burglary, dwelling, seven years ago.
568
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:30,655
- OK.
- And obviously, we go gently.
569
00:37:30,656 --> 00:37:31,973
Of course, yeah.
570
00:37:43,174 --> 00:37:46,864
Well, I mean, I knew him less well
in the last ten years or so,
571
00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,032
but, erm...
572
00:37:48,596 --> 00:37:52,974
I'd say he increasingly came across
as a bitter man.
573
00:37:52,974 --> 00:37:54,783
Bitter. About what?
574
00:37:55,615 --> 00:37:58,254
How he perceived
life had treated him, I guess.
575
00:37:58,254 --> 00:38:00,813
- Had he not done OK?
- Well, I would have said so, but...
576
00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:02,761
I think he felt he was owed more
577
00:38:02,762 --> 00:38:07,270
and that people like him
had been abandoned, politically.
578
00:38:07,295 --> 00:38:10,539
Right, who do you think
the anger was aimed at?
579
00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:12,978
Anyone and everyone.
580
00:38:14,761 --> 00:38:17,801
Big Pharma, phone mast companies,
581
00:38:17,802 --> 00:38:20,101
the Jews, the Arabs, Davos.
582
00:38:20,102 --> 00:38:23,393
Look, it was all pretty rabbit holey.
583
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,915
And then, erm...
584
00:38:26,361 --> 00:38:28,859
then in 2016, he, erm...
585
00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:33,395
he created an online forum
called UK United.
586
00:38:33,751 --> 00:38:36,188
- Oh, right, what was that?
- Well, exactly what it sounds like.
587
00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:40,310
Anti immigration, low-level racist wank
588
00:38:40,311 --> 00:38:43,745
about how we needed to get
back to good old days.
589
00:38:43,974 --> 00:38:45,215
UK United?
590
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,291
- Yeah, yeah, that's it.
- Yeah.
591
00:38:48,974 --> 00:38:50,973
We need a curriculum that allows space
592
00:38:50,974 --> 00:38:52,963
for a properly critical understanding
593
00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:55,731
of racism, capitalism, and colonialism
594
00:38:55,732 --> 00:38:57,926
as paradigmatic systems of oppression.
595
00:38:58,014 --> 00:39:00,562
And you giving me that book
suggests you have no desire
596
00:39:00,563 --> 00:39:01,640
to go on that journey.
597
00:39:01,641 --> 00:39:05,327
My giving you that book
was entirely part of that journey.
598
00:39:05,328 --> 00:39:07,703
It was an attempt to allow you
599
00:39:07,703 --> 00:39:10,804
to understand the life of a woman
who, first hand,
600
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:13,862
had experienced many of the
oppressions you've just described.
601
00:39:13,862 --> 00:39:16,579
The book, maybe, I haven't read it.
You giving it to me, no.
602
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:17,487
And how's that?
603
00:39:17,488 --> 00:39:19,572
Our reading list
remains achingly white,
604
00:39:19,573 --> 00:39:21,408
so your offer was at best, tokenistic,
605
00:39:21,409 --> 00:39:22,974
and at worst, a deliberate insult.
606
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,627
- An insult to who?
- To all people of colour.
607
00:39:28,628 --> 00:39:30,741
But you're white.
It was a blatant "fuck you".
608
00:39:30,742 --> 00:39:32,143
Oh, it just wasn't.
609
00:39:32,143 --> 00:39:34,248
You were literally smirking
when you handed it over.
610
00:39:34,249 --> 00:39:36,236
That is just my face.
611
00:39:37,345 --> 00:39:39,458
It angers you
that I have a strong opinion,
612
00:39:39,458 --> 00:39:41,740
so you used the title
as a weapon to anger me.
613
00:39:41,741 --> 00:39:45,774
No, I just wanted you to read it,
you sanctimonious little...
614
00:39:45,775 --> 00:39:47,184
- Juliet...
- No, excuse me, my turn now!
615
00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,601
I mean, you are proper smart,
616
00:39:49,602 --> 00:39:51,225
Liz, you are super passionate,
617
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:53,283
but, please, there are
so many more important things
618
00:39:53,283 --> 00:39:54,465
in this world to get angry about.
619
00:39:54,466 --> 00:39:57,207
Are you seriously telling us
what we can be angry about now?
620
00:39:57,208 --> 00:39:59,368
You know what? I actually am.
I know more shit than you.
621
00:39:59,369 --> 00:40:02,893
- You certainly know more shit.
- I've lived 37 years more life.
622
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:07,118
But much more importantly...
623
00:40:14,344 --> 00:40:16,518
..the idea that two white people,
624
00:40:16,518 --> 00:40:19,037
sitting in the lecture hall
of an elite university
625
00:40:19,037 --> 00:40:21,898
discussing the semantic niceties
of the racial lexicon
626
00:40:21,923 --> 00:40:25,254
could in turn meaningfully change
the world somehow
627
00:40:25,254 --> 00:40:29,687
is as absurd as it is
ever-so-slightly repulsive.
628
00:40:31,381 --> 00:40:33,286
Get a fucking life, Liz.
629
00:40:46,496 --> 00:40:48,222
- BoJo retweeted me!
- No!
630
00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:51,155
No way. THEY LAUGH
631
00:40:51,156 --> 00:40:54,331
Boris Johnson retweeted me!
632
00:40:54,331 --> 00:40:58,496
Whoo! Oh, my God. Boris!
633
00:40:59,986 --> 00:41:03,665
Come on, give me my drink.
Boris! Boris!
634
00:41:03,666 --> 00:41:05,986
Boris! Boris!
635
00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:08,732
Retweeted me!
636
00:41:31,638 --> 00:41:33,473
Marty, can I ask you,
637
00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:36,985
how come you ended up working
in a job that was so far from home?
638
00:41:36,986 --> 00:41:40,136
Dad got me a supported living flat
in Ilford,
639
00:41:40,136 --> 00:41:42,652
then the council put me
on a work scheme,
640
00:41:42,653 --> 00:41:43,801
and because I'm strong,
641
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,388
I got the job at the Three Crowns
lifting and carrying.
642
00:41:46,389 --> 00:41:48,596
- And who gave you that job?
- Mr Cooper.
643
00:41:49,986 --> 00:41:51,691
- Gerry Cooper?
- Yes.
644
00:41:51,691 --> 00:41:55,698
- And when was this?
- 14th of May, 2019, at 17:30.
645
00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:57,445
And how did you get on with Mr Cooper?
646
00:41:57,445 --> 00:41:58,872
Very nicely, thank you.
647
00:41:59,213 --> 00:42:00,867
He was a chatterbox like me,
648
00:42:01,099 --> 00:42:02,788
could talk the hind legs off a donkey.
649
00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:05,928
OK, well, what did you guys
like to talk about?
650
00:42:05,929 --> 00:42:08,665
Er, mainly the world economic forum,
651
00:42:08,666 --> 00:42:12,254
the great replacement theory,
and George Soros.
652
00:42:12,506 --> 00:42:14,586
- And work went well?
- Work went well, yes.
653
00:42:14,587 --> 00:42:15,897
But then the pandemic happened.
654
00:42:15,898 --> 00:42:18,388
- Yes, then the pandemic happened.
- And you were laid off.
655
00:42:18,388 --> 00:42:20,667
- And I was laid off.
- That must have been difficult.
656
00:42:20,692 --> 00:42:21,681
Yes.
657
00:42:21,706 --> 00:42:24,442
Can I ask you, Marty,
were you ever given furlough?
658
00:42:24,655 --> 00:42:26,155
- Yes, I was.
- OK.
659
00:42:26,156 --> 00:42:29,348
Except, we have a note
from a fellow employee
660
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:31,008
who thinks you weren't.
661
00:42:31,095 --> 00:42:34,338
Gerry applied for it for me
and got the money,
662
00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:35,702
but he never paid me.
663
00:42:35,727 --> 00:42:38,180
- OK, how do you know this?
- My dad found out.
664
00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:41,168
Right,
and did you ask Gerry about this?
665
00:42:41,168 --> 00:42:44,058
Yes, and he said he would pay me,
but he's "temporarily in a pickle,
666
00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:45,431
"short of the readies, mate."
667
00:42:45,431 --> 00:42:48,380
- But he paid you eventually?
- No. No, he never.
668
00:42:49,986 --> 00:42:50,956
Well...
669
00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,161
that doesn't sound fair.
670
00:42:53,186 --> 00:42:55,985
- No, it wasn't fair.
- So did that make you a bit angry?
671
00:42:55,986 --> 00:42:59,461
Can you be careful, please, about
putting words into Marty's mouth?
672
00:42:59,659 --> 00:43:02,660
Of course. My apologies, Marty.
673
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,467
How did it make you feel?
674
00:43:04,492 --> 00:43:06,804
- A bit angry.
- OK, can I just...
675
00:43:08,012 --> 00:43:10,052
Do you want to take five minutes,
Marty?
676
00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:12,081
No, thank you, thank you for asking.
677
00:43:12,435 --> 00:43:14,411
- Are you sure?
- Yes, I'm sure.
678
00:43:16,498 --> 00:43:18,125
Just go gently, please.
679
00:43:18,344 --> 00:43:19,961
Of course. Thank you.
680
00:43:19,986 --> 00:43:24,530
So, did you ever argue with Gerry
about the money?
681
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:26,080
Yes, I did argue with him.
682
00:43:26,081 --> 00:43:28,359
And these were friendly arguments,
or...?
683
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,847
Cross arguments.
684
00:43:31,574 --> 00:43:33,260
OK. Er...
685
00:43:37,023 --> 00:43:38,647
Did it ever get physical?
686
00:43:38,648 --> 00:43:40,601
Are you sure you wouldn't like
to take a break?
687
00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:43,315
Yes, it got physical.
688
00:43:47,948 --> 00:43:50,470
- When did it get physical?
- One time in the pub.
689
00:43:50,471 --> 00:43:52,865
Inside or outside in the pub car park?
690
00:43:53,169 --> 00:43:55,156
- No, inside.
- OK.
691
00:43:55,181 --> 00:43:57,621
- Do you wanna tell us what happened?
- He pushed me...
692
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,709
..and I pushed him back...
693
00:44:01,077 --> 00:44:02,684
up against the wall...
694
00:44:03,214 --> 00:44:06,665
..and then I walked away,
and that's all that happened.
695
00:44:06,666 --> 00:44:08,815
- And that's all?
- Yes, that's all that happened.
696
00:44:08,816 --> 00:44:10,074
You didn't punch him?
697
00:44:10,954 --> 00:44:13,985
Violence is never the answer,
DI Sunil Khan.
698
00:44:15,369 --> 00:44:17,624
No, you're absolutely right there,
Marty,
699
00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:19,869
but can I tell you why I'm asking?
700
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:20,979
Yes, please.
701
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,142
Because we have CCTV footage of someone
702
00:44:23,143 --> 00:44:25,165
who looks very much like you,
703
00:44:25,166 --> 00:44:28,636
around the time that we know
that Mr Cooper was badly assaulted
704
00:44:28,637 --> 00:44:30,681
walking away from the pub.
705
00:44:32,602 --> 00:44:34,258
Oh, fuck.
706
00:44:35,093 --> 00:44:39,109
Erm, I-I would like to take my break
now, please,
707
00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:40,993
so that I can get my story straight.
708
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,706
This is Marty,
I can't take your call right now.
709
00:45:13,706 --> 00:45:15,366
Please leave a message.
710
00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:20,536
I don't know if they're listening
to this, but...
711
00:45:21,915 --> 00:45:25,848
..don't say anything about Daddy...
712
00:45:26,923 --> 00:45:28,285
..pickle.
713
00:45:29,722 --> 00:45:31,966
Don't say a single word.
714
00:45:37,736 --> 00:45:40,722
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