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During the Cold War,
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both the United States
and the Soviet Union
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deployed submarines
with ballistic missiles.
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The K-129 was a Soviet
ballistic missile submarine.
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The submarine sank.
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To find a sub in the ocean
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is like looking for a needle
in a haystack.
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It would be a remarkable treasure,
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uh, to be able to get
your hands on a Soviet submarine.
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And so that's what we set out to do.
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The CIA needs a cover story.
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They go to Howard Hughes,
multibillionaire.
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"Build a ship that can salvage
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a Soviet submarine
with a nuclear missile."
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Howard Hughes says, "Okay."
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A submarine at 16,000 feet?
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It was just unprecedented
to even think about
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undertaking something that ambitious
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and to do it in secrecy.
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This was more complex,
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in some respects, than going to the moon.
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I joined the CIA in, uh, June 1966.
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My first assignment was
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at the National
Photographic Interpretation Center.
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I became kind of an expert in that.
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The Cold War was essentially a competition
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between the Soviet Union
and the United States.
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Essentially, conflict between democracy,
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capitalism, and socialism.
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Well, during the Cold War,
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the United States developed
what they called a "Triad Response"
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to the foreign threat.
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The triad consisted of submarines,
submarine-launched ballistic missiles,
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and aircraft to deliver weapons.
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Fortunately, no one pushed the button,
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but it was a very tense period.
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{\an8}The US and the Soviet Union
routinely spied on one another.
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The main object was to monitor
the activities of Soviet submarines,
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to determine what their capabilities are,
where they were headed,
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'cause that was important
to track Soviet submarines,
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uh, in the event of a nuclear exchange.
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Almost three quarters of the Earth's
surface is covered with water,
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and America's two newest states,
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Alaska and Hawaii,
are thrust deeply into the Pacific.
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And most important,
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the most powerful nations in the world
border the oceans and the seas.
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This global disposition of land and water
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may be likened to a gigantic chess board,
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where play many strategies
and many weapons.
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The Soviet program,
naval program, was very aggressive.
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At the time, they were building
both surface ships as well as submarines.
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With the development
of the nuclear weapon,
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both countries then began to think about,
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"Well, where can you deploy your missiles
that would carry a nuclear warhead?"
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This was a highly classified program
within the Soviet Union.
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And this question still remained,
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what was the nuclear capability
from a submarine-launched missile?
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We didn't know that.
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{\an8}I'm Captain First Class Igor Kurdin.
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For 25 years, I had served
in the Russian Submarine Fleet.
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It became clear that one
of the main components of war at sea
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must be the submarines
with nuclear ballistic missiles.
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Golf-class submarines
turned out to be very successful,
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so we built 24 of them.
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This was a thermonuclear unit
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with a missile range of 880 miles.
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The K-129 was a modernized submarine,
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which was armed
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with a set of three ballistic missiles
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with a load of more than one megaton.
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And the most important thing,
as a result of modernization,
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was that these missiles
could fire underwater.
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From the depth of 150 feet, very quickly,
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a submarine could release
its three ballistic missiles.
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Both the Soviet Union and United States
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were interested in where
each other's submarines are.
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Soviet Union launched
their missiles submerged
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and had their engines
running out of the tubes,
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and we considered this
extremely dangerous.
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K-129 submarine departed Petropavlovsk
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and steamed towards
the West Coast of the United States.
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{\an8}Its mission was to go on patrol
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{\an8}and to take up station at a position
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in the event of a nuclear exchange
with the United States.
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The task of the K-129
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is to stay in an area
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that permits firing
at more than one target.
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For example, San Francisco,
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but also other targets
on the US territory.
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If there are military objects,
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the more targets that are within
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the K-129 missile range, the better.
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{\an8}I am the son of Dr. Cherepanov.
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{\an8}My father, captain third class,
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{\an8}was major of medical services
on the K-129 submarine.
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I was ten years old at the time.
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My father wasn't supposed to be
deployed on this mission.
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It was coincidence.
It was decided by chance.
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Father, of course, knew the whole crew.
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This crew was his crew, his commander.
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And I knew many of these people.
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This deployment was supposed to be
his last deployment, his last sea voyage.
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K-129 was on full radio silence mode.
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But it was supposed to send
control reports
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when it arrived at control points.
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When we didn't receive
the control radio dispatch from K-129,
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the Navy command, and especially
the Pacific Ocean Fleet command,
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rolled out a search operation,
including search boats and airplanes.
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They immediately
started sending out aircraft, submarines,
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and surface ships
to look for the submarine.
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They knew the approximate area
for the K-129, but not an exact position.
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This search continued.
Unfortunately, there were no results.
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There was
no official statement acknowledging
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the loss of the submarine
and death of 98 members of its crew.
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They just told them that they died
while fulfilling their military duty.
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What tipped US intelligence
was the Soviet search, a massive search.
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US watchers couldn't miss it,
but the trick was to locate the sub.
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And for that, the United States
used its underwater surveillance system
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that was run by both
the Navy and the Air Force
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that was designed to track
the movements of Soviet subs,
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but also from the Air Force's perspective,
to track Soviet missiles.
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When it had its accident,
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it created
a very strong acoustic signature
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that was picked up
by the underwater surveillance network
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that we had set up around the world,
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both in the Pacific
and the Atlantic Ocean,
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where we could follow
the movement of the submarines.
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The US was able
to triangulate that data
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to locate very precisely
the remains of the K-129.
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The Navy's response
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was to use one of its
specially configured submarines,
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the USS Halibut, to go and photograph
the debris on the bottom.
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The USS Halibut returned
with thousands of photographs.
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They showed the K-129, where it was,
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and in a recoverable condition
and position.
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They wanted to see
if there was any imagery looking down
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towards one of the open missile tubes,
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to see if there was still
a missile or warhead,
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and they were looking for an object
that was approximately
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three miles below the surface.
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I was allowed to see the photography
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because my responsibility
was to try to see it better.
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I was fascinated by the photography.
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It was my first time
ever looking at something like that.
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It was really very captivating.
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I wrote a report about that,
basically saying,
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"There is probably
a missile in that tube."
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It was very, very sensitive.
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Henry Kissinger, advisor to the president,
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sees the photographs, says,
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"I want the nuclear warhead
on that third missile."
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Initially, the task of devising a plan
to recover the K-129
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was given to the US Navy.
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And the Navy developed a plan,
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but that plan
was thought not to be feasible.
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And so, in 1969, the job
was given instead to the CIA.
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John Parangosky, a career CIA officer,
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was asked to assemble a team to do that,
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and he became what we call
the "Program Manager" for the project,
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which was given the name "Azorian."
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The objective of Project Azorian
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was to raise
the targeted portion of the K-129
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in order to recover
the valuable items thought to be on board,
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which included nuclear warheads
and missiles and cryptographic gear.
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Studying nuclear weapons had always been
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the first and foremost intelligence task.
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Second, they could gain
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secret codes for radio connections,
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including using a fast-acting system.
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All the secret codes.
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They could read these secret documents,
these telegrams,
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and put together quite a good idea
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about our Navy fleet tactics,
especially for the submarines.
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The K-129 was a warship.
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Recovering a warship
is illegal under international law.
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It was a highly risky operation.
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CIA go to a company called Global Marine.
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Global Marine builds ships
to do ocean floor drilling,
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drilling for oil on the ocean floor.
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The objective of the CIA
was to recover the K-129.
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It required hundreds,
thousands of people to do that,
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and the development of huge,
enormous technology.
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And so the cover story
that the CIA selected in 1969
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was to hide that undertaking
in plain sight
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under cover
of a deepwater ocean mining operation.
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And to front the operation,
the CIA selected Howard Hughes.
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He has a pre-existing relationship
with the US intelligence agency.
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He had been
a defense contractor for years,
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but according to declassified documents,
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that included providing cover arrangements
for CIA people working overseas.
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And the thinking was, well,
only one person, Howard Hughes,
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an eccentric,
was thought to be crazy enough
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to undertake something,
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deep ocean mining,
an industry that didn't exist at the time.
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That immediately focused
so much publicity.
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Here there were headlines in newspapers,
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"Howard Hughes starts seafloor mining."
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Fantastic.
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It was a brilliant cover story,
and it worked.
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I was involved with the Glomar Explorer
from its inception until it finished,
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from 1970 to 1975.
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It was a challenge.
Us engineers love challenges,
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so it was something
I looked forward to getting involved with.
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We built a ship.
It ended up 600 feet long,
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weighed 63,000 tons.
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Was a lot of things to do
other than just build a ship.
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They had to build a capture vehicle.
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They had to make sure that the materials
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that were used in the capture vehicle
were strong enough.
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In metallurgy, there's a trade-off
between the ability of something to bend
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and its ability to be strong at the limit.
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Below deck
was really where the action was,
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and included an enormous moon pool,
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which housed the capture vehicle
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that was designed to go down
three miles to collect the sub,
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and then, presumably, would house
the sub itself when it was recovered.
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Once the ship was completed,
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it left Philadelphia
and actually had to sail down
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and go through the Straits of Magellan
to get to Long Beach, its home port.
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The ship arrived
from Pennsylvania to Long Beach.
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Strangely, a dock
right next to Hughes' flying boat.
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So that made perfect sense.
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Howard Hughes
was selected for a lot of reasons.
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His company, Hughes Tool,
was privately owned.
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There were no stockholders to answer to,
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no Securities and Exchange Commission
reports to file.
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And so it was a perfect black box.
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But nighttime burglary at a Hughes-owned
warehouse in Los Angeles took place.
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The burglars reportedly stole
thousands of dollars in valuables,
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but mostly papers.
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Those papers included a memo
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that was written by a Hughes aide in 1970,
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and this aide
explained to Hughes via this memo
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that the CIA had approached Hughes
to raise a Soviet sub,
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and explaining exactly what the CIA
wanted from Hughes,
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and what the operation was
and asking for Hughes' approval.
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The CIA and Colby
were concerned about the memo,
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because if it would continue
to go missing,
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that the program, the cover will be blown.
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The location of the target
was in the North Pacific Ocean.
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The operation itself
had to be conducted at a time of the year
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when the ocean was most calm.
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As soon as the Glomar Explorer
reached the area,
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the Soviets immediately became suspicious.
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They sent a ship to observe.
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It was very foggy.
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We couldn't see anything,
and as it got lighter and lighter
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as fog started to burn off,
we saw this beautiful, white ship
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with a bunch of radomes on it.
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We then identified it
as the Chazhma, a Russian ship,
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and it was evidently
holding station with us.
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They opened the doors
in the back of the ship,
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and out comes this little helicopter.
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The Glomar Explorer had a helicopter pad.
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The last thing they wanted
was the Soviet helicopter landing,
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so they immediately took boxes,
packing gear, anything they could find,
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filled up the helicopter deck
on the Glomar
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so that the Soviet helicopter
could not land.
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The ship was mostly unarmed.
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It was unescorted, and it was alone
in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
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Ostensibly, a commercial ship.
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And the fact that there were
Soviet vessels hovering nearby,
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many crew members certainly did feel
that they were vulnerable.
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One concern was
that the Soviets were unpredictable,
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especially some of their ship operators,
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and it was possible
that they could decide to
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"accidentally," in quotes, ram the ship.
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The Soviet Union
was very interested in the ship.
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The cover was a mining vehicle deployment.
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Therefore, they would assume
that's what it was
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and not feel like
it was any kind of a threat.
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They came to the conclusion
that the Glomar Explorer
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was performing deepwater work,
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with the purpose of mining
some useful fossils or crude oil,
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which they reported to the command
and left that area very fast.
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At this point, there was no
belief that the Russians were aware of...
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The mining activity
seemed to have held fine.
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And then this tugboat came up.
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It was a tug,
but it was a Russian Navy tug.
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Didn't look like it was any threat
other than getting in our way,
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which it did a few times,
just to harass us.
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Then they'd come by every few days,
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and come real close again,
see if we were doing anything.
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We didn't open the gates
and lower the rig until they parked,
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and they hung all around us
the whole time that we went down.
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The claw, which was named Clementine,
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had cameras mounted on it, and lights,
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so they were able to monitor
exactly what was happening.
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So, Clementine makes its way down.
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Folks were hopeful
that they would succeed.
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When we went to pick up the sub,
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everything was going well.
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The claws went under the submarine
into the ocean floor.
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The bottom was harder
than they anticipated.
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Then they called us
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and told us to take over control
for lifting it to the surface.
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So there was a high level of anxiety.
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"If we get the submarine
into our ship, what do we have?"
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Key question was radiation.
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The submarine had three nuclear missiles,
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two nuclear torpedoes.
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They had been under pressure
at 16,000 feet for a couple of years,
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plus the salt water.
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What was the effect of that environment
on a nuclear warhead?
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No one knew,
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especially because we didn't know
that much about Soviet nuclear warheads.
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There were individuals on board
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that were demolitions experts
and defusing experts,
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that were trained
to make sure that the weapons,
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if there were any recovered,
did not explode.
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One morning, we were in the mess room.
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I was having a meeting with my guys,
and I felt this little shake,
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like a small earthquake,
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or a barge or something
bumping the side of us.
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Something had gone wrong,
we knew instantly.
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I went to the heavy lift control room.
They said, "Fine here."
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Then someone realized,
"Oh wait, those are old images,"
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and somebody pressed the refresh button,
and then they realized,
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"Oh, part of the submarine
has broken away."
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We had 12 cameras on the capture vehicle,
and they were multiplexed.
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{\an8}We could then read the weight
that we had left on the thing,
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{\an8}and we had lost about a thousand tons.
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We had lost the major part
of the submarine that we were after,
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the one with the missiles,
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but we still had about
a 40-foot-long section of the bow,
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so we just kept coming with the pipe.
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And then the Russian naval vessel
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blew their whistle three times,
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which is the maritime farewell,
and sailed away.
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All they got
into the Glomar Explorer was 38 feet.
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The ballistic missile
that Kissinger wanted
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fell to the ocean floor
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with that other section of the submarine.
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You had a success
and a failure at the same time.
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What was aboard the sub,
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what did US experts
believe was aboard the sub,
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that information has been declassified.
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What they recovered, that has not been.
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We had trained to take things apart
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and categorize them, dry things out.
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They did find parts of six bodies.
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These bodies were recovered,
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removed from the submarine,
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buried at sea,
in the location of the Glomar Explorer.
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This service is being conducted
to honor Viktor Lokhov,
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Vadim Kostyushko, Valentin Nosachev,
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and three other
unidentified Soviet submariners
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who perished in March 1968
in the North Pacific Ocean.
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CIA officers
prepared to bury those remains
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in accord with the Geneva Conventions
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and to do so in a respectful way
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in case the Soviets ever asked a question,
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'cause this was, again,
a very high-stakes operation.
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And so you wanted to bury the remains
in a way that would be respectful
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and follow the conventions, um,
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to answer any concerns
that the Soviets might have.
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Yes, I've seen the video.
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{\an8}And the only thing I regret
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{\an8}is that it was done by American sailors.
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The exploitation, then,
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of the third of the submarine
started immediately.
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After a covert operation
of this magnitude and type,
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there's always the question about,
"Well, was it worth it?"
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"Did we get anything
of any particular value?"
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Definitely,
the result of Operation Azorian,
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for the American fleet,
was of great importance.
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Probably helped them discover
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the technology behind Russian submarines.
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Immediately after the Glomar
Explorer returned to the United States,
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the CIA began planning
to go back with the Glomar Explorer
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and recover that section
of the submarine that had broken off,
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pick it up, to get the nuclear warhead
from that third missile.
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Project started immediately.
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They took photographs of the ocean floor,
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of what that part
of the submarine looked like,
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so schedules were made up.
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It was going to be
a very successful mission,
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and everyone was very enthusiastic
about going after the piece that dropped.
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It was called "Matador."
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The cost factors were such
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that the agency went back
to Henry Kissinger for confirmation
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that the project should continue,
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and that was revalidated
by Mr. Kissinger saying,
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"Yes, we think this project
is worth the cost."
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But in early February 1975,
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the LA Times leaked a story
about the Hughes-CIA connection,
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and the fact that it was going after
a sunken submarine.
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The reason that it blew had to do with
events that took place months earlier,
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uh, when a burglary at a Hughes-owned
warehouse in Los Angeles took place.
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That investigation leaks,
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and in February of 1975,
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two local beat reporters
for the Los Angeles Times
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publish the first
garbled account of the project.
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The CIA was to silence the press
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in hopes that the US
could still continue the operation.
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Seymour Hersh follows up
with a credible account
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on the front page of the New York Times
the next morning, May 19th.
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So at this point,
the operation is fully blown.
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Soon as that happened,
within ten days or so
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of that newspaper hitting the newsstands,
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the Soviets put a ship out at the spot
where the Glomar had been operating
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and just circled the area,
making sure that no one else came back.
403
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,800
President Ford said, "Okay."
404
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,000
"Based on that,
we're not going to go back."
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And we didn't.
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So that's how it got terminated and why.
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00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,760
There are still a lot of mysteries
408
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400
regarding the Azorian Project,
things we don't know.
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One of them is regarding what,
exactly, the US hauled up,
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and that information
has still not been declassified.
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The best source on this
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is a French edition
of William Colby's memoirs...
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30 YEARS OF CIA
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...which were published
beyond the reach of CIA censors.
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And according to that,
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the US did not recover
the full targeted section of the sub.
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There are three nuclear missile warheads
on the bottom of the North Pacific.
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One of them is intact.
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Has anyone gone back? No.
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The CIA would never comment on it.
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It was a secret of all secrets.
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The response that was developed
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to requests for information
about Project Azorian
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was to neither confirm
nor deny those reports.
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And that language,
"neither confirm nor deny,"
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has become part of our culture today.
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It's one of the major, um, legacies
of the Azorian Project,
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which became known as
the "Glomar Response"
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that the US government has used for years.
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00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,160
The first tweet from the CIA account
was, cheekily enough,
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"We can neither confirm nor deny
this is our first tweet."
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There are a lot of theories
as to what happened to the K-129.
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That it went rogue, and some tried
to detonate a nuclear device on board,
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um, but what we do know
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00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,160
is that it suffered some kind of
an internal explosion, uh, and sank.
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00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,920
The most realistic version
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00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,840
is the one I was told
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by an American officer
from a surface ship.
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00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,560
That the K-129, under the periscope,
440
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,360
was in shallow depth
for an underwater diesel operation
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00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,200
and was unintentionally hit by
a surface ship, the American destroyer.
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00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:17,120
The destruction of the submarine itself
was so fast,
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there was no time for them
to send an emergency signal.
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Many critics felt
that Azorian was scandalous.
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It was a high-cost operation.
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The exact figure remains classified today.
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Estimates are approximately
$350 million and up,
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and that was a large figure at the time.
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00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,800
One of the costlier US collection efforts
in intelligence history,
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so there was a cost factor.
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But the other thing
had to do with the target itself.
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By 1975, the K-129
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was an older vessel.
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It was really a historical relic,
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and many questioned
whether this was a wise investment.
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Was the Glomar Explorer,
Project Azorian, a failure?
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00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
No, it was not a failure.
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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,920
We did it.
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00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,520
Was it successful?
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Only partially.
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00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,840
It failed to obtain that nuclear warhead.
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00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Glomar Explorer was laid up,
mothballed, in California, Suisun Bay,
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for about 20 years.
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Now, the ship's getting old
and outdated, and sold it for scrap.
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It's gone.
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I have heard people compare
the Glomar Explorer to going to the moon,
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and to me,
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that's pretty fantastic as well.
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And there were certainly challenges.
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I can't really compare them. Uh...
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It'd be nice to think that it was
that way as being personally involved,
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but my ego won't let me go that far.
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