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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,960 I was just calling to see if maybe we could meet up, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,960 just the two of us, to talk? 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Mr Cooper was also the victim of an assault 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,320 three weeks before he disappeared. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,960 I told them I thought his death had probably been violent 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 because of the money. Why would we have him killed? 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:17,960 Dead man don't pay debts. 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Reckon it was committed by a lad 9 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,960 that Cooper employed the previous year but who'd not got furlough. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Hello, Marty, how are we today? 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 I'm not sure Mum's being looked after as well as she needs, Marty. 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,800 I'd like to speak to social services. 13 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,960 I can't leave him on his own. 14 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,960 I'd ask how happy she was, knowing that he was with another woman. 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,960 What other woman? 16 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,960 If you say anything to anyone that brings people to my door, 17 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,960 you will regret it. 18 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,960 He didn't have the name of the employee, 19 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,960 but Fran found one of the old bar staff, 20 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,320 so that might throw something up. 21 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:41,960 OK, well, I'm at the widow's now, so I'll ask her as well. 22 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:44,480 PHONE BEEPS Yeah, cool, speak later. 23 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Leanne, what's up? Massive breakthrough. 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,960 What? I've found a pub in King's Cross 25 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,960 where you can actually hear yourself talk. 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Game-changing. CHUCKLES 27 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 I'm a great team player who enjoys meeting new challenges 28 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:00,960 on a daily basis. 29 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,960 And I'm a great team player who enjoys meeting new challenges 30 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,960 on a daily basis. 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,960 And so basically, there's pretty good evidence 32 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,960 to suggest the money was paid back. 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,960 What evidence? 34 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,160 A cash deposit in Markaj's account 35 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,960 eight days before your husband went missing. 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Right. Now, obviously we will check that, 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,960 but for now, we're pretty satisfied 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,960 that Mr Markaj isn't a person of interest. 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Getting a strong sense of deja vu here. 40 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,960 One thing Sidhu did consider was the possibility 41 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,960 the attack outside the pub was committed by a disgruntled employee. 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,320 Which employee? 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,960 Some lad who hadn't been given furlough. 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,960 I don't know anything about that. No? 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:52,960 Sorry. 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,960 OK, erm... CLEARS THROAT 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,960 ..and then lastly, can I just ask you 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,960 if you ever thought your husband might have been having an affair? 49 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,960 What the fuck sort of question's that? 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,960 Sorry, it came out of the Markaj interview. 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 He said he saw him in his car with another woman. 52 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,960 I'm sure he did. 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 No, I didn't. No suspicions at all? 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,960 No. Never. OK. 55 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Thanks very much for your time, Juliet. 56 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,960 DOOR SLAMS 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Er, I-I think I might postpone tonight. 58 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Was he? Sorry? 59 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Having an affair. No. 60 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Absolutely not. Jesus, you weren't meant to hear that. 61 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 No... he wasn't. 62 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Did you hear what I said about the therapy session? 63 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,960 Yeah. Yeah, I'm just not in the right headspace today. 64 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,960 What about me? 65 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,960 You've resisted this for three years, 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 and now you can't wait a few days? 67 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,160 It's different now, though, isn't it? 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Stuff's coming out. 69 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,960 I'll pick you up at seven. 70 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 PHONE RINGS 71 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Paul. Jules. 72 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Just wondering whether you'd reconsidered what we discussed. 73 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Fine, I'll meet them. 74 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,960 'Police have today identified the remains found 75 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,800 'in Whitney Marsh last week 76 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,480 'as belonging to Bow Publican Gerard Cooper. 77 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,960 'Mr Cooper, who was 54 years old at the time of his disappearance, 78 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,320 'was reported missing in February 2021. 79 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960 'Following the gruesome discovery on Sunday morning, 80 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,960 'police have now launched a murder investigation 81 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,960 'and have appealed for anyone with any information to come forward.' 82 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,960 ASIF SPEAKING OWN LANGUAGE: 83 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 HASSAN SPEAKING OWN LANGUAGE: 84 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 ASIF: 85 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,160 THEY LAUGH 86 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,000 You know, the first time I saw the sea was in Calais with my brother. 87 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,960 We'd originally planned to cross in September, but... 88 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,960 ..it ended up taking us seven months to get to France. 89 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,960 Rather than wait for spring, 90 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,000 we decided to take a cheaper place in January. 91 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,960 33 of us... 92 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,960 ..in a boat designed for 12. 93 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,960 26 men, four women, three kids. 94 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,960 The water started coming in after about an hour. 95 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,320 We rang the coastguard, but they said we were still in French waters. 96 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,960 I told them there were children on board, but... 97 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,000 And then a wave tipped us over. 98 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,960 GULLS CRY 99 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,960 No-one tells you about the cold, Hassan. 100 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,960 Sucks the air right out of your lungs. 101 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Can't even scream. 102 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960 We got picked up by the UK coastguard 103 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,960 maybe 40 minutes later. 104 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,960 26 of us by that point. 105 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,960 The others they found the next day. 106 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,960 My brother and one of the kids didn't wash up for a week. 107 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Fab, thank you. Good luck. 108 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,960 KAZ LAUGHS Thanks. 109 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,640 FRAN: So, how long did you work for him? 110 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,800 Nearly four years, total, 111 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,960 although one year of that was the first year of the pandemic, so... 112 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,160 And you got furloughed? 113 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,960 I did. Generally speaking, was he a good employer? 114 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,960 He was, yeah. 115 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Little pause there. No, just, er... 116 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,320 He was a... an old white guy, you know. 117 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 A little... unreconstructed. 118 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,960 But I'm nit-picking. He was a nice guy. 119 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,960 OK. And did you know his wife? 120 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,960 A bit, they lived above the pub, 121 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,960 so, yeah, I got to know her and Taylor a bit. 122 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,960 And you got on with Juliet OK? 123 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,960 I'm not sure she was in love with the idea of him running a pub, 124 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,800 but... yeah, we got on fine. 125 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,960 So did they get on all right? 126 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 I'd say not brilliantly, from what I saw. 127 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,960 In what way? 128 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,960 She could be quite dismissive of him, 129 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,640 like she thought he was a bit... stupid. 130 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,960 Right. So did they row, or...? 131 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,320 I mean, not at the pub, no, but a few times, when it was quiet, 132 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,800 or before we were open, 133 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 I heard them going at each other through the ceiling. Oh, OK. 134 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,960 So, your other colleagues there, the other staff, 135 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,960 did any of them ever fall out with him? 136 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,960 No, not really, until lockdown. 137 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Yes, right, so this is the guy who didn't get furloughed? Yes. 138 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,960 What was his name? Martin. 139 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Or we called him Marty. Marty Baines. 140 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,960 MAN: Most men with the same injury as Patrick's can't ejaculate, no. 141 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,160 But as I'm sure you've heard said many times, 142 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,000 every case is unique. Yes. 143 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,960 And if you were thinking of starting a family, 144 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,480 there is of course sperm harvesting, and... 145 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,320 That's fine, that's... that's all I needed to know. 146 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. 147 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,960 MACHINE BEEPS 148 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Sorry. 149 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,960 Sorry, "Baines" you said? 150 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,160 Yeah, Martin or Marty. 151 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Do we have an address? 152 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,960 She reckoned he moved back to his parents in Kent somewhere 153 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,960 shortly after Cooper disappeared. 154 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,960 How shortly? A week or so later. 155 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,960 Well, the wife's dropping over a load of PAYE records later. 156 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,960 There might be an address in there. I'll get Kaz on it. 157 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,000 So, your witness was basically saying the same as Ram Sidhu? 158 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Yeah, that Cooper and this Marty had fallen out, 159 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,960 she reckoned about furlough. 160 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Now, did she actually witness a row? 161 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,960 She said SHE didn't, but one of her co-workers, a lady called... 162 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,960 Brianna West, who's now travelling, 163 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,960 did see him get physical with Cooper. 164 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,960 She saw him slam Cooper up against a wall. 165 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,480 And when was this? February, 2021. 166 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:36,960 Wow. I've messaged Brianna, 167 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,960 but no idea whether she'll get it, though. 168 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,960 OK. It's also worth mentioning 169 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,480 she thought this lad had some kind of disability, her guess was ASD. 170 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Has Murray got the original assault files back yet? 171 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,160 Coming later this afternoon apparently. OK. 172 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,960 I also mentioned a possible girlfriend to the wife this morning. 173 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,960 And? Yeah, she didn't like it, 174 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,960 which makes me think your man Markaj was on the money. 175 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,960 Any of the people that your team spoke to this morning 176 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,960 hint at another woman? 177 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,960 I haven't gone through it all. I'll check. 178 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,160 Because a row that got out of hand about infidelity... 179 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,960 is just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 180 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,960 ASIF: You see, men like you and me... 181 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,800 ..we don't do well in detention centres. 182 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,960 I got assaulted so many times, Hass... 183 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,480 ..without any intervention from the authorities. 184 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,960 So, yes, as long as I pass my citizenship test, 185 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,480 I'll have a passport and a legal right to settle and work here. 186 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:03,960 SAM: Hiya! Oh. 187 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,960 Wow... Hassan... 188 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,960 Hello, Sam. 189 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,960 You're a week early. Yeah, no, the... 190 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,960 ..the exercise got snowed off. 191 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Sorry, does somebody wanna tell me what the fuck is going on? 192 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,960 SAM, SHOUTING: You know, 193 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,960 what's more upsetting than what you've actually done 194 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 is the fact that you've obviously been planning this 195 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:34,960 for months behind my back. 196 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Yes. 197 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,960 He says unapologetically. 198 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,960 Well, if you'd come back when you said you were coming back, 199 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,960 you would never have known, 200 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,960 so what was the point in telling you something 201 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,960 that I knew you'd stop me doing? 202 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,960 All right, so you think the only problem here 203 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,960 is that you got found out. 204 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Don't... speak to me like I'm one of your fucking squaddies. 205 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,480 Don't you dare... 206 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,480 speak to me like you think you have some natural authority over me. 207 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Please, don't speak to me like I've done something wrong. 208 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 All I have done is walk into MY house, 209 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 and I've found an illegal immigrant living here. 210 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,960 Our friend Hassan, you mean? Yeah, our friend Hassan, sorry. 211 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,000 How many times? 212 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,960 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 213 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 to cross the Channel however they want to. 214 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Yes, I know, I know. I know! 215 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,960 EXHALES 216 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,800 Obviously... 217 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,960 ..it's terrible... that he had to do that, 218 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,960 and I'm sorry if I sound unsympathetic right now, Asif. 219 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,960 But whether you like it or not, 220 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,480 until he does formally seek asylum, he is here illegally. 221 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,960 How did he get here... specifically? 222 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,960 In a lorry. 223 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Which you paid for? Yes. 224 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,960 And I owe him much more than that. 225 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960 As do you, actually, Sam, 226 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,960 considering he saved both our lives, or... or have you forgotten that? 227 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960 No, of course I've not forgotten that. 228 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,960 Well, what's his plan now? 229 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,960 He's going to stay with Omar from Friday 230 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,960 whilst we get him documents, 231 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,000 and then he will live his life in the UK. 232 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,800 Illegal documents, you mean. Yeah. 233 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,960 I-I can't be here, Sif, with him. 234 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,480 If anyone found us, I... 235 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,960 EXHALES Er... 236 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,960 I... Yeah, I'll kip at my sister's tonight, but, erm... 237 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,960 ..he needs to be gone by tomorrow. 238 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,960 DOREEN: Mum's looked after you all of her life, Marty, 239 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,960 so it's a massive change for you to suddenly have to look after her 240 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,480 And this is absolutely not your fault. 241 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,960 It's been a massive change, Doreen. 242 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960 As I said, none of this will have to be permanent, 243 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960 if we can get you up and walking, Dot, 244 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 then hopefully, we can get you back home asap. 245 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,960 And what about me? 246 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,960 Well, I'll also be recommending some help for you, either here at home, 247 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,640 or in some form of supported accommodation, how does that sound? 248 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,960 I live here with Mum. 249 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,960 It's a lot to grasp, isn't it? It is a lot to grasp. 250 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Listen, none of this will have to be immediate. 251 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,960 These things do take a while, so we'll keep talking, 252 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,000 and if you have any worries, just call, yeah? 253 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,960 And often, I find it helpful to ask clients 254 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 what it is they hope to get out of this? 255 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Maybe I could ask you first, Juliet, 256 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,800 what it is that you'd like to achieve? 257 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Er... I... 258 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,960 I guess I'd like Taylor to be happier. 259 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,960 I mean, I know I'm not really meant to say that. 260 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Say what? 261 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,160 That I just want her to be happy... 262 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,960 ..cos actually that's, erm... 263 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,160 ..that's a pretty big ask. 264 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,960 So, I guess... 265 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,960 ..I want her to be able to cope... 266 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,960 with school, with me... with the future. 267 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,320 Well, yeah, coping's a good aspiration. 268 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,960 And what do you want for yourself? 269 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,960 The same. 270 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 But... you know... 271 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,320 if... if she's OK... 272 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,960 then I kind of would be. 273 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 OK. Thank you. 274 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,960 And, Taylor... what would you like out of all this? 275 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,160 Honesty. 276 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,800 I just want some real honesty between us. 277 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,960 Hey. Hi! 278 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,960 'This is the plan to take us over, man, 279 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,960 'this is the Protocol of the Elders of Zion.' 280 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,960 'What about Blair? What about Zelenskyy? What about Stoltenberg? 281 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,960 'When will they arrest THOSE sons of bitches?' 282 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,160 'He knew they'd try to shut him down. 283 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,960 'They did the same with Fox. They won't let him speak the truth.' 284 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,960 'So now finally they admit it was a bio leak...' Marty? 285 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960 '..how soon before they admit this was population control?' Marty? 286 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Marty, are you all right? 287 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Marty, what you doing? Marty? 288 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,640 'I mean, you know it's got everyone there, innit? 289 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,960 'He's royalty as well.' 290 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,960 Well, obviously, they'd have been happier 291 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,960 if I'd been a doctor or a lawyer or a... 292 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,320 or a Prime Minister. 293 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Thanks, Rishi, for that. 294 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,480 But, yeah, I think they'd've been proud of me, yeah. 295 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,000 What about your mum and dad? 296 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,960 Would you rather fight one wolf-sized chicken 297 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,000 or four chicken-sized wolves? 298 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,960 Sorry, I haven't had anyone round for... 299 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,960 ..well, forever, actually. 300 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,960 Would you like a cup of tea or coffee? 301 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Although I don't have any milk. 302 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Why don't you... Why don't you nip out and... 303 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,640 and get some, and... 304 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,960 I'll make a start on the dishes. 305 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Sorry. 306 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,960 And I get so fed up of people feeling sorry for me. 307 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,960 It's great, being single. I have a lovely life. 308 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,960 I have freedom, money, 309 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,960 great friends, fabulous nieces and nephews... 310 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,960 so, yeah. Yeah. 311 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,960 To singletons! To singletons! 312 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,960 And are things improving, or... 313 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,960 Well... I've started some new meds, 314 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,960 and they do... seem to work better than the last ones, so... 315 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,960 And do you need anything? 316 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,960 Money? A cleaner? Anything? 317 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,320 I'm good, but thank you. 318 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,960 So... 319 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,960 ..the reason, erm... 320 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,640 ..the reason I wanted to meet up was to see if we could... 321 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,000 ..move forward. 322 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Yes. You know, cos... 323 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960 you are my sister... 324 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,960 ..and I do love you. 325 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,960 And I love you too... so much. 326 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,960 Except I'm not sure that I can move forward 327 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,960 until I know for sure that you're been completely truthful with me. 328 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,960 And I wanna be. OK, so... 329 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,960 did Mum tell you what Steve said about you and him 330 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,960 when I confronted him with what you told me? Yes. 331 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,960 That you'd lied to me about sleeping with him for... 332 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,960 I mean, for reasons I still don't fully understand, 333 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,960 but that it was just kiss. 334 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,960 And it was just some kind of weird... emotional thing? 335 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Yes. And was that true? 336 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,960 I don't know what to say, Jessie. 337 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,960 I don't know what to say that will best allow you to forgive me. 338 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,960 Just... the truth, Debs. 339 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,800 That's all. 340 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,960 The truth is it was some weird kind of emotional thing. 341 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960 I was pretty lost, and... 342 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,960 ..he seemed to be also, and he... 343 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960 seemed vulnerable. 344 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960 And like he wanted to help me too, and we just... 345 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,960 ..connected for a few months. 346 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,960 But it wasn't just a kiss. 347 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,960 We did sleep together... 348 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960 ..like I said in the pub. 349 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,480 And actually, it was more than just once. 350 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,960 EXHALES 351 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,480 DEBBIE SOBS 352 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,960 Thank you. 353 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Thank you. 354 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,960 I'm gonna walk. I'm tubing it. 355 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,960 Well, sorry to have... got you twatted, but, erm... 356 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,320 ..that was a really lovely evening, so thank you. 357 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Well, thank you. 358 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 I'd sort of forgotten what it was like to have such a good laugh. 359 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,960 We aim to please. 360 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,960 LEANNE LAUGHS 361 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,960 CAR HORN BEEPS 362 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960 Sorry. Oh, no, no, no, it's just, I... 363 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Night, dollface. Leanne? 364 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,320 Hi, Mum, it's me. 365 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,640 Look, I was just wondering if you could come over this evening? 366 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Sure, gimme a call. OK, thanks, bye. 367 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,480 Hey, Leanne, it's Sunny. That was a great night last night. 368 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,960 If you fancy grabbing a bite on Friday, then gimme a call. 369 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Bye. Jess? 370 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Hey, Sunny. 371 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,960 Hey. How are you? 372 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,160 Yeah, good, how are you? Oh, you know. 373 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,480 FRAN: So, there was a bloke from yesterday 374 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320 who'd known Gerry since they were kids, 375 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,960 and he'd said in passing 376 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,960 that Gerry was always "a bit of a rascal". 377 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,960 I mean, what does that mean? 378 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Well, yeah, I rang him back to ask, 379 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,960 and basically, he told me that a few months before he disappeared, 380 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,960 he'd seen him with another woman. 381 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Wow, OK, where? 382 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960 In a pub they used to drink in as kids in Aldgate. 383 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 He said he'd introduced her to him as Melinda. 384 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960 No surname? No. 385 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,160 And he thought she was more than just a friend why? 386 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,960 Because they were on their own in the corner, all over each other. 387 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,960 And any more specific idea when this might have happened? 388 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,320 Yes, actually very specific, 389 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,800 because it was the day after the second lockdown had ended, 390 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,960 and the pubs had just reopened, so everyone was a bit demob happy. 391 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Yeah, when was that? Third of December, 2020. 392 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Any description of her? 393 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,480 40-ish, pretty, beautiful red hair. 394 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,800 OK, erm... can we put in a request for Cooper's mobile data? 395 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Calls, texts, and triangulation. 396 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,000 We should try open source socials as well, and emails while we're at it. 397 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Yeah. See if we can't find out this woman's full name. 398 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Boss. Kaz? 399 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,960 Yeah, so, PAYE records, year ended '21, 400 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960 we do have an M Baines. 401 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,480 Two addresses, though, one in Ilford and then the other in Deal, Kent. 402 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Oh, it'll be the Kent one now 403 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,960 cos we know he moved back there in March, 2021. 404 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 OK, can you ping that over to me, please? Mm-hm. 405 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Oh, and I have found three USB sticks for the car park, 406 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960 just gotta go through the footage. 407 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,960 Good stuff. Murray? 408 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960 So, Mrs Cooper dropped off the tenancy documents yesterday. 409 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960 Good. But concentrating on Cooper's assault for now, 410 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,000 he said he was hit from behind 411 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,960 and that the assailant was wearing a hoodie. 412 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,480 Now, two brief bits of CCTV were found 413 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,960 showing a man matching that description 414 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,960 walking away from the direction of the Three Crowns car park 415 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 and in the direction of Bow tube. 416 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,480 And followed up? No. 417 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,960 The footage was timed at 10:33, 418 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960 which was thought to be half hour after the attack happened. 419 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,480 So? The thing is... 420 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,960 he was knocked unconscious, and when his wife found him, 421 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960 she assumed the attack had just happened, 422 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960 when actually he could have been sparko for half an hour. 423 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Ah, so, in which case, the timing might fit? 424 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960 Yeah, exactly. Hm. 425 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,960 OK, let's see it. This is the first one. 426 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960 What's he doing with his hand? Don't know. 427 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960 I thought waving at someone. Can we see the next bit? 428 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960 Sorry, can you play it again? 429 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,960 Is he hailing a cab? 430 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Or is he stimming? 431 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960 "Stimming"? Yeah. 432 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960 It's something that some autistic people do. 433 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960 I have a cousin who's on the sphere. 434 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,960 It's a sort of repetitive movement to alleviate stress. 435 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,960 OK, you wanna ping that address over to me now? 436 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,960 We need to get down to Deal ASAP. 437 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960 So he put all his properties through you? 438 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,960 Yeah. And over what time scale was this? 439 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,800 We started letting the first one in 2014, 440 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,960 and we stopped working with him in late 2020. 441 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320 So six years, give or take. Mm. 442 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,960 And within those three properties, there were 19 rooms, 443 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960 all needing separate contracts, quite often, short term, 444 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,320 so it was a very full-on job. 445 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,960 We often spoke several times a week. 446 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,800 What was he like to work with? Oh, he was a nightmare. 447 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,960 Oh. Wasn't expecting that. In what respect? 448 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 He just never wanted to spend any money on anything. 449 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Amenities, maintenance, safety regs, anything. 450 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,960 Never mind the legal issues that caused, 451 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960 we obviously have moral and ethical responsibilities. 452 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,960 And so in 2019, we stopped managing the properties, 453 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,960 just found him tenants. 454 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960 And after that, he managed the tenants himself. 455 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,320 Which was also a nightmare because he was so combative. 456 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,960 In which way? In how he resolved disputes. 457 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960 Physically intimidating, verbally aggressive. 458 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Look, meaning in the end, we terminated our agreement with him 459 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,000 in September, 2020. 460 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,960 OK. Now, where there any particular disputes you can recall, 461 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960 say in 2020, that might have properly boiled over? 462 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,960 I'd have to go back over emails and records for specifics, 463 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 but... generally speaking, yeah, yeah, several. 464 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960 If you could, that'd be really useful. 465 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960 No worries. 466 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,960 Erm... what kind of people were his tenants? 467 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,960 They were almost exclusively asylum seekers, 468 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,960 I think he had a deal with the council. 469 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,960 No doubt they presented some challenges, 470 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960 but everyone deserves to live safely, right? 471 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,960 DS Boulting... 472 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960 ..there was one case that you should follow up. 473 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,960 There was an Afghan family who had a long-running dispute with him, 474 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960 really boiled over. 475 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,960 I'll look for the files now, 476 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960 but you should start with the guy that interpreted for them. 477 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960 Lovely fella, Asif. 478 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960 I am in no-one's debt. 479 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,960 And I am sick of being made to feel like I should be grateful. 480 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,640 No-one is saying that. ASIF SCOFFS 481 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,960 It's right there in your reaction to what I did, Sam. 482 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,960 That I had the... temerity to bring Hassan over here, 483 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960 to try and get him settled illegally. 484 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,960 But that... that... that isn't why I was angry. 485 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960 Look, I was angry because... 486 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960 I mean... I mean, did it never occur to you 487 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,960 what the implications of what you were doing were for me? 488 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960 As far as I can tell, you're fine, 489 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,640 on account of your government not wanting to execute you 490 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,960 for being gay. 491 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,320 OK, that... 492 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,960 that is my house... Asif... 493 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,960 which makes me party to a criminal act. 494 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,960 I could lose my whole career if Hassan was found there. 495 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,960 Interesting take. 496 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960 Yeah, you know what? They'd also probably charge you. 497 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Which would mean the end of your citizenship test, 498 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,960 the end of you being able to stay here, and the end of us. 499 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,960 Look, no-one is more ashamed of the government than I am 500 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,960 for what they did to you. 501 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,960 I just... I don't see how this makes things any better. 502 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,960 It makes it better for him, Sam. 503 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Yeah, but at great risk to us. 504 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,960 If Hass hadn't have got out, the Taliban would have killed him... 505 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960 just like they would have killed me. 506 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,320 So, I'm sorry, but I feel no guilt in spitting in your system's face. 507 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,960 They did it to me first. 508 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,960 Dead? I'm so sorry to be the bearer of... 509 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,640 Well, it wasn't Martin. Mum... 510 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,960 It wasn't Martin, cos he was... I said shut up, noisy bitch. 511 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,160 I don't wanna talk here. 512 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,960 Hey, Fran, it's me, 513 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960 we're gonna need an appropriate adult for this afternoon. 514 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,960 Yeah. Can you do a PCN check for me? 515 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,320 Watch your head. There you go. 516 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,480 Do you drive a car, Marty? 517 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,320 Dad used to let me drive his, but then we sold it. 518 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,000 "Needed the moolah, me old mucker." 519 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,960 So, my job, Marty, 520 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,960 is to make sure that you're fully aware of all your rights 521 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,480 and to make sure that you don't accidentally say something 522 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,960 that gets you into trouble. 523 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960 I don't want to get into trouble. I don't want you too either. 524 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,960 So should I lie, then? 525 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Well, it's generally better to tell the truth... don't you think? 526 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,960 So, if I have this right from my reading of the court transcripts, 527 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000 Gerry Cooper's actually an old friend of yours? 528 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Yeah. Yeah, he was, yeah. Can you talk me through that? 529 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960 Well, we'd known each other most of our lives. 530 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,480 We went to the same school, 531 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,160 we lived round the corner from each other. 532 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,320 I drank in his pub. 533 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,160 And the assault occurred at a rally in Westminster square? 534 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,960 Yeah. Had you gone there together? 535 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960 No, no, we ran into each other by chance. 536 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,960 What was the rally? 537 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960 It was the day of one of the big Brexit votes, 538 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,800 it was March 29th, 2019. 539 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,640 And you were there... I was a remainer. 540 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,960 And Mr Cooper? 541 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960 Brexiteer. OK. 542 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960 So you just bumped into each other? 543 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,480 Yeah. Yeah. 544 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960 And it was all very friendly at first. Mm-hm. 545 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,960 And then we started talking about the vote, 546 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,640 and, yeah, well, it all got... 547 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,480 really unpleasant really quickly. 548 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960 We'd both had a few drinks, so that didn't help, but, erm... 549 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,480 He just made me so angry. 550 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960 He made you angry, or you got angry? 551 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960 Yeah, well, yeah, there you go, look, 552 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960 look, I'm sure a lot of it was my fault. 553 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960 In what way? 554 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,320 Well, he had a right to his opinions. 555 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,960 I-I was just too interested in... 556 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960 in trying to wind him up and mock him. 557 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,960 So it got heated. Yeah. Yeah. 558 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960 He got angrier and angrier, as did I. 559 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,800 And then he was making some point, 560 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,960 and he sort of prodded me in the chest, 561 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960 which really wound me up. 562 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,160 So I sort of swiped his hand away... 563 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,960 which is when... he punched me... 564 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960 in the face... 565 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960 ..very fucking hard. 566 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,960 PHONE BUZZING 567 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960 LEANNE: 'Hi, you've reached Leanne, 568 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,640 'please leave a message after the tone.' 569 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,960 VOICEMAIL BEEPS 570 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960 It's me again. Gimme a call. 571 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 So, one arrest. 572 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,960 For? Burglary, dwelling, seven years ago. 573 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960 OK. And obviously, we go gently. 574 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,960 Of course, yeah. 575 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,000 Well, I mean, I knew him less well in the last ten years or so, 576 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960 but, erm... 577 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960 I'd say he increasingly came across as a bitter man. 578 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,960 Bitter. About what? 579 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960 How he perceived life had treated him, I guess. 580 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960 Had he not done OK? Well, I would have said so. 581 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960 But I think he felt he was owed more 582 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,960 and that people like him had been abandoned, politically. 583 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960 Right, who do you think the anger was aimed at? 584 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960 CHUCKLES Anyone and everyone. 585 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,960 Big Pharma, phone mast companies, 586 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960 the Jews, the Arabs, Davos. 587 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960 Look, it was all pretty rabbit holey. 588 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,960 And then, erm... 589 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,000 then in 2016, he, erm... 590 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,960 he created an online forum called UK United. 591 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,800 Oh, right, what was that? Well, exactly what it sounds like. 592 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,960 Anti immigration, low-level racist wank 593 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960 about how we needed to get back to good old days. 594 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 UK United? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah. 595 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960 LIZ: We need a curriculum that allows space 596 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,960 for a properly critical understanding 597 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,960 of racism, capitalism, and colonialism 598 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000 as paradigmatic systems of oppression. 599 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960 And you giving me that book suggests you have no desire 600 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,960 to go on that journey. 601 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,960 My giving you that book was entirely part of that journey. 602 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,960 It was an attempt to allow you 603 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960 to understand the life of a woman who, first hand, 604 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,960 had experienced many of the oppressions you've just described. 605 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,960 The book, maybe, I haven't read it. You giving it to me, no. 606 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960 And how's that? 607 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960 Our reading list remains achingly white, 608 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,800 so your offer was at best, tokenistic, 609 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,960 and at worst, a deliberate insult. 610 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,960 An insult to who? To all people of colour. 611 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960 But you're white. It was a blatant "fuck you". 612 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,640 Oh, it just wasn't. 613 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960 You were literally smirking when you handed it over. 614 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960 That is just my face. 615 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960 It angers you that I have a strong opinion, 616 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,960 so you used the title as a weapon to anger me. 617 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,960 No, I just wanted you to read it, you sanctimonious little... 618 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,960 Juliet... No, excuse me, my turn now! 619 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,960 I mean, you are proper smart, 620 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,000 Liz, you are super passionate, 621 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480 but, please, there are so many more important things 622 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,960 in this world to get angry about. 623 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,320 Are you seriously telling us what we can be angry about now? 624 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,960 You know what? I actually am. I know more shit than you. 625 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,960 You certainly know more shit. I've lived 37 years more life. 626 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,000 But much more importantly... 627 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960 ..the idea that two white people, 628 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 sitting in the lecture hall of an elite university 629 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960 discussing the semantic niceties of the racial lexicon 630 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,960 could in turn meaningfully change the world somehow 631 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,960 is as absurd as it is ever-so-slightly repulsive. 632 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960 Get a fucking life, Liz. 633 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960 WOMAN ON VIDEO: 'BoJo retweeted me!' 'No!' 634 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,960 'No way.' THEY LAUGH 635 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960 'Boris Johnson retweeted me! 636 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,960 'Whoo! Oh, my God. Boris! 637 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,640 'Come on, give me my drink. Boris! Boris! 638 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,960 CHANTING: 'Boris! Boris! 639 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,960 'Retweeted me!' 640 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,960 Marty, can I ask you, 641 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960 how come you ended up working in a job that was so far from home? 642 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,800 Dad got me a supported living flat in Ilford, 643 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,960 then the council put me on a work scheme, 644 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,960 and because I'm strong, 645 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960 I got the job at the Three Crowns lifting and carrying. 646 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960 And who gave you that job? Mr Cooper. 647 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Gerry Cooper? Yes. 648 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,960 And when was this? 14th of May, 2019, at 17:30. 649 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,960 And how did you get on with Mr Cooper? 650 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960 Very nicely, thank you. 651 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,320 He was a chatterbox like me, 652 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,960 could talk the hind legs off a donkey. 653 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,160 OK, well, what did you guys like to talk about? 654 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,960 Er, mainly the world economic forum, 655 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,480 the great replacement theory, and George Soros. 656 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960 And work went well? Work went well, yes. 657 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,000 But then the pandemic happened. 658 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,960 Yes, then the pandemic happened. And you were laid off. 659 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,960 And I was laid off. That must have been difficult. 660 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,960 Yes. Can I ask you, Marty, were you ever given furlough? 661 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,320 Yes, I was. OK. 662 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,960 Except, we have a note from a fellow employee 663 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,320 who thinks you weren't. 664 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,800 Gerry applied for it for me and got the money, 665 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,320 but he never paid me. 666 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,960 OK, how do you know this? My dad found out. 667 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Right, and did you ask Gerry about this? 668 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,160 Yes, and he said he would pay me, but he's "temporarily in a pickle, 669 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960 "short of the readies, mate." 670 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960 But he paid you eventually? No. No, he never. 671 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,160 Well... that doesn't sound fair. 672 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960 No, it wasn't fair. So did that make you a bit angry? 673 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,960 Can you be careful, please, about putting words into Marty's mouth? 674 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,960 Of course. My apologies, Marty. 675 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,960 How did it make you feel? 676 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,960 A bit angry. OK, can I just... 677 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,480 Do you want to take five minutes, Marty? 678 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960 No, thank you, thank you for asking. 679 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960 Are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. 680 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960 Just go gently, please. Of course. Thank you. 681 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,960 So, did you ever argue with Gerry about the money? 682 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,480 Yes, I did argue with him. 683 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,960 And these were friendly arguments, or...? 684 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,960 Cross arguments. 685 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,640 OK. Er... 686 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,800 Did it ever get physical? 687 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960 Are you sure you wouldn't like to take a break? 688 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960 Yes, it got physical. 689 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,960 When did it get physical? One time in the pub. 690 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,960 Inside or outside in the pub car park? 691 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,000 No, inside. OK. 692 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,960 Do you wanna tell us what happened? He pushed me... 693 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,960 ..and I pushed him back... up against the wall... 694 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960 ..and then I walked away, and that's all that happened. 695 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960 And that's all? Yes, that's all that happened. 696 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,640 You didn't punch him? 697 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,960 Violence is never the answer, DI Sunil Khan. 698 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,320 No, you're absolutely right there, Marty, 699 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,960 but can I tell you why I'm asking? 700 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,160 Yes, please. 701 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,960 Because we have CCTV footage of someone 702 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,800 who looks very much like you, 703 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,960 around the time that we know that Mr Cooper was badly assaulted 704 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960 walking away from the pub. 705 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,160 Oh, fuck. 706 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,000 Erm, I-I would like to take my break now, please, 707 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,960 so that I can get my story straight. 708 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,960 MARTY: 'This is Marty, I can't take your call right now. 709 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960 'Please leave a message.' 710 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960 I don't know if they're listening to this, but... 711 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960 ..don't say anything about Daddy... 712 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,800 ..pickle. 713 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960 Don't say a single word. 714 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 55637

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