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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,486 --> 00:00:10,286 With Mother Love Bone, you had some success, 2 00:00:10,287 --> 00:00:11,821 and there was a tragedy there. 3 00:00:11,822 --> 00:00:13,188 And what made you decide 4 00:00:13,189 --> 00:00:14,957 not to continue with Mother Love Bone 5 00:00:14,958 --> 00:00:16,825 and to form something totally different? 6 00:00:16,826 --> 00:00:18,794 Because it was old at that time, 7 00:00:18,795 --> 00:00:20,127 and we wanted to do something new. 8 00:00:20,128 --> 00:00:22,430 So this is what we're doing now, new and fresh. 9 00:00:22,431 --> 00:00:25,366 And then they saw me in a bra, and that was it. 10 00:00:25,367 --> 00:00:26,868 And they said, ''We've got to have him.'' 11 00:00:26,869 --> 00:00:29,868 That was before his front tooth got knocked out. 12 00:00:48,821 --> 00:00:50,154 And l have a weather report 13 00:00:50,155 --> 00:00:53,154 for you people, and it's not a good one. 14 00:00:55,527 --> 00:00:58,526 KCMU. Seattle's rockin' report. 15 00:00:58,529 --> 00:00:59,996 What is it that drives 16 00:00:59,997 --> 00:01:02,098 thousands of young angelic-faced boys 17 00:01:02,099 --> 00:01:04,166 in our calm, tree-lined suburbs 18 00:01:04,167 --> 00:01:07,166 to spend their allowances on Marshall Amplifiers? 19 00:01:08,304 --> 00:01:11,304 Why is this happening? 20 00:01:12,174 --> 00:01:15,173 Truth be told, there's always been a great scene in Seattle. 21 00:01:16,811 --> 00:01:18,312 lf you want some crisp, aggressive, 22 00:01:18,313 --> 00:01:21,313 and emotional rock-and-roll, then get on down to The Off Ramp 23 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:24,415 on Friday, July 5th. 24 00:01:24,752 --> 00:01:27,752 Wowwee! 25 00:01:28,322 --> 00:01:31,321 You haven't seen anything yet. 26 00:01:57,647 --> 00:02:00,646 My name is Cameron Crowe, and l was a rock journalist 27 00:02:00,849 --> 00:02:03,585 when l first moved to Seattle in the mid-'80s. 28 00:02:03,586 --> 00:02:05,954 l became aware of a whole scene of musicians 29 00:02:05,955 --> 00:02:07,754 that really worked together to create 30 00:02:07,755 --> 00:02:09,790 their own world of influences 31 00:02:09,791 --> 00:02:11,925 and bands and community. 32 00:02:11,926 --> 00:02:13,594 l immediately realized 33 00:02:13,595 --> 00:02:16,362 how much this was different from the places l grew up in 34 00:02:16,363 --> 00:02:19,363 and the music l listened to in Southern California. 35 00:02:19,466 --> 00:02:21,467 This was music that came from guys 36 00:02:21,468 --> 00:02:23,702 that stayed indoors a lot. 37 00:02:23,703 --> 00:02:26,703 They had a lot of time to play and a lot of time to listen. 38 00:02:27,239 --> 00:02:30,239 And they listened to everything, 39 00:02:30,609 --> 00:02:33,609 hard rock, hair metal, glam, R&B, soul, disco, blues, 40 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:38,346 all of it cuisinarted together into this majestic mix 41 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:43,150 of great, melodic, hard rock. 42 00:02:46,623 --> 00:02:49,623 We'd go and see the shows that got put on by The U-Men, 43 00:02:50,126 --> 00:02:52,027 and we'd go see these guys, 44 00:02:52,028 --> 00:02:53,861 and these guys would come see us. 45 00:02:53,862 --> 00:02:55,429 Sometimes we would open for these guys. 46 00:02:55,430 --> 00:02:58,430 So it was like us, we play. 47 00:02:58,634 --> 00:03:00,101 Two guys who l met early on 48 00:03:00,102 --> 00:03:01,968 were Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament. 49 00:03:01,969 --> 00:03:04,571 They'd been in a well-known local band, Green River, 50 00:03:04,572 --> 00:03:07,572 and had an obvious bond that drew a lot of people to them. 51 00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:09,975 On any given night in Seattle, 52 00:03:09,976 --> 00:03:11,977 it wasn't hard to run into Stone and Jeff 53 00:03:11,978 --> 00:03:14,113 going out to listen to some live music. 54 00:03:14,114 --> 00:03:16,447 Let's do a little more of an intimate thing. 55 00:03:16,448 --> 00:03:19,448 Sit with me. Sit with me, my child. 56 00:03:23,656 --> 00:03:25,656 Those people over there, 57 00:03:25,657 --> 00:03:27,290 police officers. Wave at them. 58 00:03:27,291 --> 00:03:30,291 How you doing? 59 00:03:31,762 --> 00:03:33,763 This is not MTV, but it very well 60 00:03:33,764 --> 00:03:36,764 could be at any time. 61 00:03:37,668 --> 00:03:40,635 Sarcastic police officers. Excellent. 62 00:03:40,636 --> 00:03:43,636 We're supposed to get in to see The Cult tonight, 63 00:03:43,973 --> 00:03:46,973 but so far, nobody's showed up. 64 00:03:47,809 --> 00:03:49,143 We finally got into the show. 65 00:03:49,144 --> 00:03:51,011 We were outside for a long time and they wouldn't let us in 66 00:03:51,012 --> 00:03:53,047 but we got these things, backstage passes. 67 00:03:53,048 --> 00:03:55,648 How come you didn't come out and give me my pass earlier? 68 00:03:55,649 --> 00:03:56,883 l was outside for so long. 69 00:03:56,884 --> 00:03:58,217 We were outside for a long time, 70 00:03:58,218 --> 00:04:00,153 and here is my witnesses right here. 71 00:04:00,154 --> 00:04:01,287 Because you never believe me. 72 00:04:01,288 --> 00:04:03,422 You never believe me, Stone. You never fucking believe me. 73 00:04:03,423 --> 00:04:04,856 l knew when l met Stone, 74 00:04:04,857 --> 00:04:07,159 l couldn't imagine hanging out with the guy. 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,860 Mark Arm introduced me to him, 76 00:04:08,861 --> 00:04:11,860 and within five to 30 seconds, l think he wanted to punch me. 77 00:04:14,066 --> 00:04:15,933 l had recently been introduced 78 00:04:15,934 --> 00:04:18,101 into the exciting world of sarcasm, 79 00:04:18,102 --> 00:04:20,503 and so that, to me, was the greatest joy 80 00:04:20,504 --> 00:04:22,038 anyone could ever have. 81 00:04:22,039 --> 00:04:24,340 Out here... 82 00:04:24,341 --> 00:04:27,042 Rock people of all sorts, 83 00:04:27,043 --> 00:04:30,043 Susan Silver, Chris Cornell, Jeff Ament. 84 00:04:33,382 --> 00:04:35,817 We had a bit of a chip on our shoulder. 85 00:04:35,818 --> 00:04:38,753 We always felt, l think, like, if it came from New York 86 00:04:38,754 --> 00:04:41,753 or Chicago or Minneapolis or Athens, 87 00:04:41,856 --> 00:04:44,257 it was probably better, but there also was 88 00:04:44,258 --> 00:04:47,258 this attitude of somehow we will persevere. 89 00:04:49,896 --> 00:04:51,363 lt was very different 90 00:04:51,364 --> 00:04:53,733 from Los Angeles' or New York's band scenes. 91 00:04:53,734 --> 00:04:55,901 There were tens of groups in Seattle, 92 00:04:55,902 --> 00:04:58,901 but they all knew each other, and everybody was talking about 93 00:04:59,205 --> 00:05:02,073 Jeff and Stone's new band, Mother Love Bone, 94 00:05:02,074 --> 00:05:05,073 and their amazing charismatic front man. 95 00:05:05,076 --> 00:05:08,076 His name was Andy Wood. 96 00:05:13,650 --> 00:05:16,650 l want the world to know that Mother Love Bone is coming 97 00:05:18,055 --> 00:05:21,054 to take over the world, a plethora of delights, 98 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:24,390 a fruit salad compote of delights. 99 00:05:32,434 --> 00:05:35,268 He was a fantastic entertainer. People loved him. 100 00:05:35,269 --> 00:05:38,269 l mean, people loved to see him do his thing. 101 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,440 He was very funny. He would do something 102 00:05:40,441 --> 00:05:43,440 like go to The Central Tavern when there was 25 people there. 103 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:45,944 He'd play it like it was a coliseum. 104 00:05:45,945 --> 00:05:48,280 ''To all you people in the back!'' 105 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:51,280 And there's, like, two... There's the guy at the door. 106 00:05:51,817 --> 00:05:53,718 He was a rock star. He knew it. 107 00:05:53,719 --> 00:05:56,719 And something about that... l'll speak for everyone... 108 00:05:56,955 --> 00:05:59,954 Made us believe that we were, too. 109 00:06:00,324 --> 00:06:03,324 l want to get on an arena tour with some band. 110 00:06:03,961 --> 00:06:06,960 Who cares? Warrant, for that matter. 111 00:06:07,898 --> 00:06:10,132 What the hell? Go on tour with Warrant. 112 00:06:10,133 --> 00:06:11,801 Just so we can play arenas. 113 00:06:11,802 --> 00:06:13,201 That's the kind of crowd l like. 114 00:06:13,202 --> 00:06:15,036 There's an easy crowd. 115 00:06:15,037 --> 00:06:16,437 You can say anything. 116 00:06:16,438 --> 00:06:19,438 You can say, ''Your mother smells bad, people!'' 117 00:06:19,809 --> 00:06:22,808 And they'll just go, ''Yeah! Yeah!'' 118 00:06:23,278 --> 00:06:25,445 There are certain people you just know that you love, 119 00:06:25,446 --> 00:06:27,347 and you'll do anything for them. 120 00:06:27,348 --> 00:06:28,648 You just wanted him to be a rock star. 121 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:31,117 You just saw it and were like, ''l'm on your team. 122 00:06:31,118 --> 00:06:33,452 ''l want to be anywhere near you.'' 123 00:06:33,453 --> 00:06:36,452 We're going down to L.A. on Monday to record an album. 124 00:06:44,830 --> 00:06:46,864 Do you think you're the band of the '90s? 125 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:48,465 Do you think you're gonna be one of the forerunners? 126 00:06:48,466 --> 00:06:50,100 l think so. l hope so. 127 00:06:50,101 --> 00:06:52,068 l mean, l thought l always would be involved 128 00:06:52,069 --> 00:06:53,303 in the band of the '90s. 129 00:06:53,304 --> 00:06:54,971 So if we're not the band of the '90s, 130 00:06:54,972 --> 00:06:57,640 l'm gonna fire my band and get a new one, 131 00:06:57,641 --> 00:07:00,342 and then they'll be the band of the '90s. 132 00:07:00,343 --> 00:07:01,844 'Cause you know what was weird? 133 00:07:01,845 --> 00:07:04,179 Like, l was listening to the bottom end of all the songs, 134 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:06,315 'cause l was kind of worried about Stardog, you know, 135 00:07:06,316 --> 00:07:07,849 and the bottom end of it... 136 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:09,617 The first guy that l called 137 00:07:09,618 --> 00:07:12,186 to see if he wanted to be my roommate was Stone Gossard. 138 00:07:12,187 --> 00:07:14,020 He was living at home, l think, and he answered the phone, 139 00:07:14,021 --> 00:07:15,689 and he's like, 140 00:07:15,690 --> 00:07:18,191 ''Yeah, no, l'm good. l don't really want to... 141 00:07:18,192 --> 00:07:20,327 ''l don't really want to change my living situation right now.'' 142 00:07:20,328 --> 00:07:22,862 And he was at home, so l thought that was a little weird. 143 00:07:22,863 --> 00:07:25,863 But l thought, ''Whatever. That's great.'' 144 00:07:26,066 --> 00:07:29,066 And he said, ''But Andy just got out of rehab, 145 00:07:29,668 --> 00:07:31,870 ''and he might need a place.'' 146 00:07:31,871 --> 00:07:34,672 And l thought, ''Well, that would be cool.'' 147 00:07:34,673 --> 00:07:36,674 You know, l didn't really know him, 148 00:07:36,675 --> 00:07:38,508 but l thought, that would be interesting. 149 00:07:38,509 --> 00:07:40,344 He seems like an interesting guy. lt would be cool. 150 00:07:40,345 --> 00:07:43,345 l called Andy up, and he's like, ''Sure. l'm coming over.'' 151 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:48,684 Chris and Andy had a very deep relationship. 152 00:07:48,685 --> 00:07:51,053 l know that both of them had 4-tracks 153 00:07:51,054 --> 00:07:53,355 set up in their bedrooms, 154 00:07:53,356 --> 00:07:54,789 and they would each try to record a song a day 155 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:57,790 and play it for the other guy. 156 00:07:58,127 --> 00:07:59,527 He just had a freedom. 157 00:07:59,528 --> 00:08:01,896 He didn't edit anything that he did, anything that he wrote. 158 00:08:01,897 --> 00:08:04,897 He didn't care. He just charged through the creative process 159 00:08:05,267 --> 00:08:07,067 without a care in the world, and l was the opposite, 160 00:08:07,068 --> 00:08:08,167 overanalyzing, and... 161 00:08:08,168 --> 00:08:11,168 lt was just a really exciting creative time. 162 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,239 Thank you so much. 163 00:08:19,712 --> 00:08:21,546 As long as l've known the guy, 164 00:08:21,547 --> 00:08:23,080 there's always been different times 165 00:08:23,081 --> 00:08:25,082 where he wasn't comfortable with himself, 166 00:08:25,083 --> 00:08:28,083 and his using drugs was a product of that, too. 167 00:08:32,356 --> 00:08:34,424 lf you know any addicts, you know that, you know, 168 00:08:34,425 --> 00:08:36,927 just because they quit for three months doesn't mean shit, 169 00:08:36,928 --> 00:08:38,928 and he was someone who definitely had 170 00:08:38,929 --> 00:08:40,396 a certain tragic flaw. 171 00:08:40,397 --> 00:08:43,397 That's where his greatness came from. 172 00:08:45,602 --> 00:08:47,568 We knew that he was trying to be sober, 173 00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:49,938 and we knew that he was really... 174 00:08:49,939 --> 00:08:51,873 That he couldn't just sustain... 175 00:08:51,874 --> 00:08:54,107 You know, you can't just... 176 00:08:54,108 --> 00:08:56,576 You can't... 177 00:08:56,577 --> 00:08:58,745 You can't really be a junkie 178 00:08:58,746 --> 00:09:01,114 and be super-productive and, like... 179 00:09:01,115 --> 00:09:02,949 l mean, maybe somebody can, 180 00:09:02,950 --> 00:09:05,950 but he wasn't going to be able to do it. 181 00:09:07,287 --> 00:09:10,286 That morning, like, March 19th, 1990, 182 00:09:11,424 --> 00:09:14,125 there was, like, five messages from Xana, 183 00:09:14,126 --> 00:09:16,161 Andy's girlfriend at the time, 184 00:09:16,162 --> 00:09:19,161 saying... You know, just hysterical. 185 00:09:23,601 --> 00:09:26,235 We all got in a taxi 186 00:09:26,236 --> 00:09:28,237 and went up to Harborview, 187 00:09:28,238 --> 00:09:31,238 and he was on life support at that point, 188 00:09:31,308 --> 00:09:33,442 and it was a fucking trip. 189 00:09:33,443 --> 00:09:36,443 l mean, it was, like, the worst, most horrible... 190 00:09:39,115 --> 00:09:40,982 lt was confusing, you know. 191 00:09:40,983 --> 00:09:43,983 lt was, like, ''Andy O.D.'ed and he's not dead, 192 00:09:45,153 --> 00:09:48,152 ''but he's not gonna live, but he's not dead, 193 00:09:48,155 --> 00:09:50,090 ''and you've got to come now.'' 194 00:09:50,091 --> 00:09:52,158 Whenever people would start to get into drugs after that, 195 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:53,994 l'd always... l always thought, like, 196 00:09:53,995 --> 00:09:56,328 l wish l had a picture of Andy when he was in the hospital, 197 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:59,164 because it was... lt was so horrible. 198 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:02,165 He was... They kept him alive for a couple of days. 199 00:10:03,002 --> 00:10:05,169 l think mostly just so family and friends 200 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:08,006 could say good-bye or whatever, but... 201 00:10:08,007 --> 00:10:10,174 lt was... lt was horrible. 202 00:10:10,175 --> 00:10:13,174 lt's difficult to articulate it, 203 00:10:14,345 --> 00:10:17,345 but, it's... 204 00:10:18,081 --> 00:10:21,017 You know, up to that point, 205 00:10:21,018 --> 00:10:23,486 l think life was really good for us 206 00:10:23,487 --> 00:10:26,486 as a... Just a group of musicians in a scene, 207 00:10:27,656 --> 00:10:29,824 making music. 208 00:10:29,825 --> 00:10:32,494 lt just... You know, the world was sort of our oyster, 209 00:10:32,495 --> 00:10:34,495 and we had support, we supported each other. 210 00:10:34,496 --> 00:10:37,364 And he was kind of like this beam of light 211 00:10:37,365 --> 00:10:38,832 sort of above it all, 212 00:10:38,833 --> 00:10:41,832 and to see him hooked up to machines, 213 00:10:42,369 --> 00:10:45,369 that was the... l think the death of the innocence 214 00:10:47,041 --> 00:10:48,508 of the scene. 215 00:10:48,509 --> 00:10:51,376 lt wasn't later when people surmised that... 216 00:10:51,377 --> 00:10:54,377 That Kurt blowing his head off was the end of the innocence. 217 00:10:54,514 --> 00:10:56,380 lt didn't... lt was that. 218 00:10:56,381 --> 00:10:59,381 lt was walking into that room. 219 00:11:10,327 --> 00:11:11,860 So at this point, l think everyone 220 00:11:11,861 --> 00:11:14,296 really wants to take a break, for one, 221 00:11:14,297 --> 00:11:16,398 and just kind of let things happen naturally to a certain extent 222 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,067 to see where we want to go with it, you know. 223 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:19,534 We're not in any huge rush 224 00:11:19,535 --> 00:11:21,869 to be rock stars at this point. 225 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:24,505 And Andy's attitudes and personality 226 00:11:24,506 --> 00:11:27,505 were such an integral part of Mother Love Bone 227 00:11:27,708 --> 00:11:29,409 that, you know, there's just... 228 00:11:29,410 --> 00:11:31,411 You wouldn't be able to replace him. 229 00:11:31,412 --> 00:11:33,413 lt's just not, in our minds at least, it just... 230 00:11:33,414 --> 00:11:35,548 Fiddle with it. 231 00:11:35,549 --> 00:11:38,250 What? You just lost all sound? 232 00:11:38,251 --> 00:11:39,418 Check. 233 00:11:39,419 --> 00:11:42,418 Hello. Hello. Hello. 234 00:11:44,557 --> 00:11:46,558 ln some ways, l was just thinking 235 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,726 about this in the last couple of days, 236 00:11:48,727 --> 00:11:51,095 that l can relate to the Clippers and the Nets 237 00:11:51,096 --> 00:11:54,096 because... l've kind of... 238 00:11:54,165 --> 00:11:57,165 l feel like my musical career has kind of been that way, 239 00:11:57,435 --> 00:12:00,434 in that every time that it seems like it's starting to take off, 240 00:12:01,905 --> 00:12:04,307 somebody goes down with an injury 241 00:12:04,308 --> 00:12:07,275 or the coach gets fired or something happens. 242 00:12:07,276 --> 00:12:09,578 l remember Jeff saying, 243 00:12:09,579 --> 00:12:12,380 ''Maybe l'm not supposed to be doing this. 244 00:12:12,381 --> 00:12:14,448 ''You know, that was my shot, and it's gone.'' 245 00:12:14,449 --> 00:12:16,283 l think if my dad and l hadn't had 246 00:12:16,284 --> 00:12:18,119 such a contentious relationship at that point, 247 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,753 l probably would have left Seattle. 248 00:12:20,754 --> 00:12:22,789 l never felt like giving up. 249 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:25,790 You know, l think l was writing songs days later probably, 250 00:12:27,128 --> 00:12:29,595 you know, playing my guitar and still just going, 251 00:12:29,596 --> 00:12:31,463 ''l love playing my guitar.'' 252 00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:33,165 l ended up playing 253 00:12:33,166 --> 00:12:36,165 with a really good friend of mine in town named Mike McCready. 254 00:12:39,471 --> 00:12:41,272 We got together, and we started playing 255 00:12:41,273 --> 00:12:43,608 in his parents' attic. 256 00:12:43,609 --> 00:12:46,243 That's when l had the conversation, 257 00:12:46,244 --> 00:12:47,611 ''We've got to get Jeff Ament in the band.'' 258 00:12:47,612 --> 00:12:49,146 Jeff was playing with some other folks 259 00:12:49,147 --> 00:12:51,081 and l think having a good time doing that, 260 00:12:51,082 --> 00:12:53,916 and my first instinct was like, ''l don't know.'' 261 00:12:53,917 --> 00:12:55,618 l remember him just saying, ''Fuck Jeff Ament,'' 262 00:12:55,619 --> 00:12:57,620 or something like that, and l was kind of shocked. 263 00:12:57,621 --> 00:12:59,154 Like, ''Dude, that's your guy. 264 00:12:59,155 --> 00:13:01,055 ''You've been with this guy forever.'' 265 00:13:01,056 --> 00:13:02,957 But Mike was like, ''No, you've got to.'' 266 00:13:02,958 --> 00:13:05,793 And l was like, ''Okay.'' 267 00:13:05,794 --> 00:13:08,793 And then Jeff was there, and l was like, ''Yes.'' 268 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:10,330 We went in and did a demo 269 00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:12,166 pretty quickly after that with Matt Cameron. 270 00:13:12,167 --> 00:13:13,934 And l was like, ''What are you guys gonna do with it?'' 271 00:13:13,935 --> 00:13:16,934 And they were like, ''We're just trying to get a singer.'' 272 00:13:17,337 --> 00:13:19,639 l was working a security job in San Diego. 273 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,340 l was just, like, writing music in my living room 274 00:13:21,341 --> 00:13:23,175 for the longest time, you know. 275 00:13:23,176 --> 00:13:25,510 This instrumental tape, it migrated to me, 276 00:13:25,511 --> 00:13:28,511 then it really started bringing out some emotions 277 00:13:28,648 --> 00:13:29,847 that l hadn't touched on in a while. 278 00:13:29,848 --> 00:13:32,483 lt just... this natural thing came out, 279 00:13:32,484 --> 00:13:34,185 and all l did was record it. 280 00:13:34,186 --> 00:13:36,353 l surfed in P.B. one morning after work 281 00:13:36,354 --> 00:13:38,655 and went and recorded it, like, literally 282 00:13:38,656 --> 00:13:40,657 with the sand still on my feet and stuff 283 00:13:40,658 --> 00:13:43,658 and just sent it up that day. 284 00:13:55,304 --> 00:13:58,304 This is where Jeff Ament... His apartment was. 285 00:14:01,876 --> 00:14:04,876 This is the place where l came over after he called me 286 00:14:06,514 --> 00:14:09,513 and said, ''l got this demo from... Back from Ed, 287 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,219 ''back from Eddie, 288 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:15,254 ''and you should come over and check it out. 289 00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:17,822 ''lt's good.'' 290 00:14:17,823 --> 00:14:20,658 lt was a voice on a tape that blew my mind. 291 00:14:20,659 --> 00:14:23,658 lt was kind of, ''Who is this? ls this real?'' 292 00:14:24,028 --> 00:14:25,562 l really remember thinking that, 293 00:14:25,563 --> 00:14:28,563 like, ''ls this a real guy?'' 294 00:14:29,234 --> 00:14:31,534 ''Who is this guy?'' 295 00:14:31,535 --> 00:14:34,535 Here, in fact, is the Momma Son tape. 296 00:14:35,505 --> 00:14:37,039 This is it, huh? 297 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,039 That is the tape. 298 00:14:40,776 --> 00:14:42,244 Crazy. 299 00:14:42,245 --> 00:14:44,246 l remember listening to music. 300 00:14:44,247 --> 00:14:46,480 l remember thinking about his voice. 301 00:14:46,481 --> 00:14:48,882 l heard a person in there, like a real person. 302 00:14:48,883 --> 00:14:51,719 l didn't hear a person trying to sound like another person. 303 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,719 l heard a guy. l hadn't met him, 304 00:14:55,623 --> 00:14:56,889 but he's in there. 305 00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:58,691 And lookit. lt has... 306 00:14:58,692 --> 00:15:00,260 There's my phone number on it. 307 00:15:00,261 --> 00:15:01,594 l'll call the number later 308 00:15:01,595 --> 00:15:04,594 and see if l can find a younger you. 309 00:15:05,031 --> 00:15:07,065 Tell him to be careful. 310 00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:10,065 Hold on. Hold on, my friend. 311 00:15:10,902 --> 00:15:13,902 Hi. l'm Eddie Vedder. 312 00:15:14,439 --> 00:15:17,438 ln Seattle, l feel like l'm kind of the new kid, and... 313 00:15:20,611 --> 00:15:23,611 l'll be a new kid for a while. 314 00:15:25,282 --> 00:15:27,750 We flew Ed up, and we hung out for about a week 315 00:15:27,751 --> 00:15:29,618 and worked on these songs 316 00:15:29,619 --> 00:15:31,954 in the basement of Galleria Potatohead. 317 00:15:31,955 --> 00:15:33,955 lt's just nice to walk in that room, 318 00:15:33,956 --> 00:15:36,291 and you smell raw materials, you smell paint. 319 00:15:36,292 --> 00:15:38,293 There's this whole feeling of, like, creativity. 320 00:15:38,294 --> 00:15:39,761 You hear the pound of your footsteps 321 00:15:39,762 --> 00:15:41,295 as you go down this basement, 322 00:15:41,296 --> 00:15:44,296 and you just go in and light it up. 323 00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:47,867 l remember right before he got on the plane to come down, 324 00:15:47,868 --> 00:15:49,935 he said, ''When l get there, l want you to pick me up, 325 00:15:49,936 --> 00:15:51,704 ''and l want to go straight to the practice studio 326 00:15:51,705 --> 00:15:53,306 ''and l don't want to fuck around. 327 00:15:53,307 --> 00:15:55,308 ''l just want to plug in the instruments and get at it.'' 328 00:15:55,309 --> 00:15:57,776 The music that sprouted right off the bat 329 00:15:57,777 --> 00:16:00,312 was pretty heartfelt and deep, and before we knew it, 330 00:16:00,313 --> 00:16:02,480 we all spent five days rehearsing. 331 00:16:02,481 --> 00:16:05,480 The sixth day, we played a fucking show. 332 00:16:06,651 --> 00:16:09,486 We thought it was just insane that we were playing a show 333 00:16:09,487 --> 00:16:12,486 after being together for five or six days, yeah. Totally. 334 00:16:58,996 --> 00:17:00,964 Let's talk about the show at The Moore. 335 00:17:00,965 --> 00:17:03,965 The hidden Eddie Vedder. Where was he? 336 00:17:03,968 --> 00:17:06,967 He was frightened. He was terrified. 337 00:17:14,977 --> 00:17:17,712 lt was a bit hard for me at the beginning, 338 00:17:17,713 --> 00:17:19,813 coming up and being part 339 00:17:19,814 --> 00:17:21,715 of a different place and a different scene, 340 00:17:21,716 --> 00:17:23,517 and it wasn't just a neutral zone. 341 00:17:23,518 --> 00:17:26,518 lt was their zone. 342 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:34,193 He was really coming from a different place 343 00:17:34,194 --> 00:17:37,193 that l didn't... l didn't fully understand. 344 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:40,230 And l felt like he's good, 345 00:17:40,533 --> 00:17:43,234 and then once l met him and saw how personable he was 346 00:17:43,235 --> 00:17:46,235 and, like, excited and not fucked-up 347 00:17:47,038 --> 00:17:49,039 and you know, just like a guy that 348 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,241 we sent him music, 349 00:17:50,242 --> 00:17:52,041 and literally, like, two weeks later, we had music back. 350 00:17:52,042 --> 00:17:53,610 And that it wasn't Mother Love Bone. 351 00:17:53,611 --> 00:17:55,044 That was big. 352 00:17:55,045 --> 00:17:56,746 You know, we had gotten a few tapes, 353 00:17:56,747 --> 00:17:58,213 and they were all, like, Andy kind of tribute things, 354 00:17:58,214 --> 00:18:01,214 and it was all like whoa... 355 00:18:01,985 --> 00:18:04,985 l think it took me years to understand Eddie. 356 00:18:08,123 --> 00:18:11,123 My dad... He passed away 357 00:18:11,226 --> 00:18:13,827 before l knew he was my dad, right? 358 00:18:13,828 --> 00:18:16,062 So l grew up with this dad l thought was my dad, 359 00:18:16,063 --> 00:18:18,765 and then l found out later that he wasn't 360 00:18:18,766 --> 00:18:21,434 and that the guy who was my dad 361 00:18:21,435 --> 00:18:24,435 had already passed, like, a few years earlier, man. 362 00:18:31,477 --> 00:18:32,911 There's only two chords to this song. 363 00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:35,912 lt'll probably be really boring on an acoustic. 364 00:18:36,414 --> 00:18:38,782 You know, looking back, l realize, like, 365 00:18:38,783 --> 00:18:41,251 we all got together in that room at that time, 366 00:18:41,252 --> 00:18:44,251 and you know, l was still thinking about stuff 367 00:18:45,456 --> 00:18:47,790 with, like, my dad and loss and all that, 368 00:18:47,791 --> 00:18:50,092 and then what they were thinking about, 369 00:18:50,093 --> 00:18:53,092 having been through the situation with Andy and everything, so... 370 00:18:53,596 --> 00:18:55,263 ln ways we were strangers, 371 00:18:55,264 --> 00:18:57,466 but we were coming from a similar place. 372 00:18:57,467 --> 00:19:00,466 And all that kind of came out in the first batch of songs. 373 00:19:12,313 --> 00:19:14,581 Release was kind of a drone jam 374 00:19:14,582 --> 00:19:17,581 that we were messing around with in the basement 375 00:19:17,650 --> 00:19:19,485 the first week that Ed came up, 376 00:19:19,486 --> 00:19:21,119 and it was one of those songs 377 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,054 that he just started singing over the top of it, 378 00:19:23,055 --> 00:19:26,055 and these words came out of him. 379 00:20:10,196 --> 00:20:13,196 l remember the first time that we played that song, 380 00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:14,866 right at the end of it, l remember 381 00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:17,234 he sort of ran away and ran around the corner. 382 00:20:17,235 --> 00:20:19,703 l was thinking about my dad, 383 00:20:19,704 --> 00:20:22,704 and then afterwards, it got me all tore up, 384 00:20:24,408 --> 00:20:26,543 and l went in the little hallway, 385 00:20:26,544 --> 00:20:29,544 and then Jeff came out and said, you know, ''You okay?'' 386 00:20:42,558 --> 00:20:44,792 So this one here, 387 00:20:44,793 --> 00:20:47,761 this is, l don't know if you've ever seen this. 388 00:20:47,762 --> 00:20:49,596 This is my dad. 389 00:20:49,597 --> 00:20:52,032 l met him a few times, 390 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:55,032 but he was just, like, a friend of the family or something. 391 00:20:55,802 --> 00:20:57,603 Edward Louis Severson lll. 392 00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:00,604 When l was born, that was my name. 393 00:21:01,041 --> 00:21:02,907 So he kind of... He's up there for me. 394 00:21:02,908 --> 00:21:05,577 Like, he's up in the ether somewhere. 395 00:21:05,578 --> 00:21:08,578 l feel him sometimes. 396 00:22:33,221 --> 00:22:35,688 The camaraderie and the healthy competition part 397 00:22:35,689 --> 00:22:38,658 l found later was unusual, 398 00:22:38,659 --> 00:22:40,292 and it was Johnny Ramone that actually 399 00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:42,460 pointed that out to me later, 400 00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:44,896 talking about, l think, you know, the friendship 401 00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:46,965 you saw between Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, for example, 402 00:22:46,966 --> 00:22:48,633 and saying, ''l've never seen that before. 403 00:22:48,634 --> 00:22:50,300 ''New York wasn't like that. We hate each other. 404 00:22:50,301 --> 00:22:52,002 ''We would screw each other up at every turn. 405 00:22:52,003 --> 00:22:53,904 ''lf you could, you would mess the other band up.'' 406 00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:56,905 The best thing about it is, l think, that... 407 00:22:58,008 --> 00:23:01,008 You learn from each other, you know, and you... 408 00:23:01,011 --> 00:23:02,612 You're inspired by each other. 409 00:23:02,613 --> 00:23:05,612 For me, Temple of the Dog grew out of that. 410 00:23:08,251 --> 00:23:11,251 After Andy passed, Chris just wrote these songs. 411 00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:14,488 We were going to record it with, you know, 412 00:23:14,489 --> 00:23:17,489 the surviving members of Mother Love Bone. 413 00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:46,683 lt was a fun record that no one had any expectations for, 414 00:23:46,684 --> 00:23:48,585 so nobody worried about it, and that made it 415 00:23:48,586 --> 00:23:51,187 feel very fresh from beginning to end. 416 00:23:51,188 --> 00:23:52,988 For him to write songs 417 00:23:52,989 --> 00:23:55,989 and then have the idea of sharing those songs 418 00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:59,392 with Jeff and l was just, like, another generous gesture 419 00:24:00,129 --> 00:24:02,731 that said, ''l'm not only gonna help you guys with this record, 420 00:24:02,732 --> 00:24:04,733 ''but l'm gonna even ask your new singer, 421 00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:06,900 ''who he just is kind of a shy, quiet guy, 422 00:24:06,901 --> 00:24:08,902 ''because l haven't really heard his voice yet. 423 00:24:08,903 --> 00:24:10,738 ''l kind of saw you guys live, 424 00:24:10,739 --> 00:24:13,738 ''and you know, maybe he can sing. l'm not sure.'' 425 00:24:21,914 --> 00:24:23,482 And then you hear it, and you go, 426 00:24:23,483 --> 00:24:26,483 ''Our guy sings really fucking good, too.'' 427 00:24:37,762 --> 00:24:40,396 Eddie was very shy at the beginning. 428 00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:42,932 He was very kind of self-conscious. 429 00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:45,932 He's wasn't fully comfortable, l think... 430 00:24:46,369 --> 00:24:49,369 Until him and Cornell went out one night. 431 00:25:13,493 --> 00:25:16,261 He really embraced Eddie when he first moved up here, 432 00:25:16,262 --> 00:25:19,262 and sometimes l wonder if that was a void that he felt 433 00:25:19,265 --> 00:25:20,865 from Andy's passing, 434 00:25:20,866 --> 00:25:23,033 having another equally talented singer 435 00:25:23,034 --> 00:25:24,868 that he could sort of bounce ideas off of 436 00:25:24,869 --> 00:25:27,869 or just basically relate to. 437 00:25:28,907 --> 00:25:30,807 l know Eddie felt a real mentorship, 438 00:25:30,808 --> 00:25:33,808 and l think that gave him a lot of confidence. 439 00:25:49,691 --> 00:25:51,158 lt was the first time 440 00:25:51,159 --> 00:25:53,294 l ever heard myself on a real record. 441 00:25:53,295 --> 00:25:56,294 So it could be one of my favorite songs that... 442 00:25:57,264 --> 00:26:00,264 That l've ever been on, or the most meaningful. 443 00:26:32,661 --> 00:26:35,630 Where's Stone Gossard when we need him? 444 00:26:35,631 --> 00:26:38,631 Where is Stone? My God. 445 00:26:51,378 --> 00:26:54,378 We went up to Vancouver to open for Alice in Chains. 446 00:26:58,251 --> 00:27:01,086 Played at this place called The Town Pump. 447 00:27:01,087 --> 00:27:03,354 During the song Breath, 448 00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:06,355 security was taking out some kid, some drunk guy. 449 00:27:13,697 --> 00:27:15,698 They were being overly aggressive. 450 00:27:15,699 --> 00:27:17,533 They were really taking this guy out, 451 00:27:17,534 --> 00:27:20,533 and Ed noticed that, was watching it. 452 00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:25,205 And you could just see this change come over him. 453 00:27:34,215 --> 00:27:37,083 This guy that had been shy, that people didn't really know, 454 00:27:37,084 --> 00:27:39,252 he didn't know us, all of a sudden 455 00:27:39,253 --> 00:27:41,654 his voice changes, his attitude changes. 456 00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:44,655 lt just got really intense. 457 00:27:51,263 --> 00:27:54,263 You got a problem. 458 00:28:08,512 --> 00:28:09,946 Here we are in the studio. 459 00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:12,946 They're known as Mookie Blaylock, but... 460 00:28:13,849 --> 00:28:16,117 Not anymore. We had some legal problems. 461 00:28:16,118 --> 00:28:17,185 Yeah, the name was taken 462 00:28:17,186 --> 00:28:19,753 by this guy named Mookie Blaylock. 463 00:28:19,754 --> 00:28:22,256 Mookie Blaylock and Michael Jordan. 464 00:28:22,257 --> 00:28:23,624 Look at that. They played yesterday. 465 00:28:23,625 --> 00:28:26,625 The Bulls won, victorious. 466 00:28:28,762 --> 00:28:31,762 So the new name is Pearl Jam. 467 00:28:35,668 --> 00:28:38,668 We're not gonna cultivate anything today. 468 00:29:05,394 --> 00:29:07,161 Okay. So Pearl Jam, the new name. 469 00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:09,797 And you guys have a lot of other stuff going on, 470 00:29:09,798 --> 00:29:11,332 almost as we speak. 471 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,100 Yeah. We're going in the studio tomorrow 472 00:29:13,101 --> 00:29:16,101 to make our first album. 473 00:29:37,889 --> 00:29:40,090 l was selling merchandise at that time, 474 00:29:40,091 --> 00:29:43,027 and you know, you can only take so much stuff into Canada. 475 00:29:43,028 --> 00:29:45,194 Everything we brought, you know, l brought 476 00:29:45,195 --> 00:29:47,663 based on kind of what we'd been selling up to that point. 477 00:29:47,664 --> 00:29:50,333 That night, before the opening band was even done playing, 478 00:29:50,334 --> 00:29:53,333 l had sold out of everything, stickers, T-shirts. 479 00:29:53,369 --> 00:29:55,303 Anything that we brought across was gone. 480 00:29:55,304 --> 00:29:57,039 l had nothing to do for the rest of the night. 481 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,039 So l grabbed my camera and filmed the whole show. 482 00:30:00,675 --> 00:30:03,675 They were breaking. Things were taking off. 483 00:30:10,751 --> 00:30:12,218 That's our CD. 484 00:30:12,219 --> 00:30:13,520 See, l hate holding up a CD. 485 00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:14,853 l want to hold up an album. 486 00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:17,854 You can barely see this. 487 00:30:52,654 --> 00:30:54,354 Our band is doing 10 times as well 488 00:30:54,355 --> 00:30:55,656 as l ever thought we would. 489 00:30:55,657 --> 00:30:58,525 We're getting to play shows almost every day. 490 00:30:58,526 --> 00:31:01,525 You know, we're happy. 491 00:31:06,467 --> 00:31:09,067 So the band's chemistry seems really good right now. 492 00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:12,068 Yeah. Yeah. Very much a family. 493 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:18,943 What is, you know, being on the road, being touring, 494 00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,944 what is the strangest thing that has happened to you? 495 00:31:24,648 --> 00:31:25,748 Right here. 496 00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:27,283 l'd like to thank D'arcy from the Smashing Pumpkins 497 00:31:27,284 --> 00:31:29,352 for letting me borrow her wardrobe. 498 00:31:29,353 --> 00:31:30,587 l think she looks a little better 499 00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:33,587 in it than you do, though. 500 00:31:37,494 --> 00:31:39,127 We showed up in Zurich, Switzerland, 501 00:31:39,128 --> 00:31:42,128 and the venue was almost like a kind of an art house. 502 00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:45,600 The stage is, like, about as big as our drum riser. 503 00:31:45,601 --> 00:31:47,200 We're like, ''What are we gonna do?'' 504 00:31:47,201 --> 00:31:48,535 We'd been playing enough at that point 505 00:31:48,536 --> 00:31:50,370 that we were kind of ready to change something up. 506 00:31:50,371 --> 00:31:52,539 And we asked the local guys, ''ls there a chance 507 00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,039 ''that you could get us some acoustic instruments? 508 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,475 ''Maybe we could just do kind of an acoustic show.'' 509 00:31:56,476 --> 00:31:59,476 And we'd never done that before. 510 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,039 And then it was the next day, somebody called 511 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,973 and asked about ''MTV Unplugged.'' 512 00:32:32,974 --> 00:32:34,808 So we said, ''Yeah, we could do that.'' 513 00:32:34,809 --> 00:32:36,343 Yeah. We just did it. Yeah. 514 00:32:36,344 --> 00:32:39,344 Yeah. 515 00:32:58,130 --> 00:33:01,130 lt's a true story, something that l really felt 516 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,099 and l still feel every time l sing it. 517 00:33:16,479 --> 00:33:19,447 A lot of your songs are sort of on the dark side. 518 00:33:19,448 --> 00:33:21,816 ls there any reason for that, 519 00:33:21,817 --> 00:33:24,252 or is that just mostly what you see, or... 520 00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:25,320 My emotions. 521 00:33:25,321 --> 00:33:27,187 lt seems like l should be even really happy right now. 522 00:33:27,188 --> 00:33:28,956 You know, l get to, like, play shows. 523 00:33:28,957 --> 00:33:31,258 lt's been amazing, but the fact is, 524 00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:33,726 it's like my emotions are like a quarter flipped in the air. 525 00:33:33,727 --> 00:33:36,596 lt's just like black and white, you know, good and bad, 526 00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:39,365 constantly, and you know, maybe by talking 527 00:33:39,366 --> 00:33:41,233 about things that may be a little darker 528 00:33:41,234 --> 00:33:44,234 or more, you know, on the negative side of our existence, 529 00:33:44,503 --> 00:33:45,637 by dealing with them, 530 00:33:45,638 --> 00:33:48,638 maybe that's where l find my happiness. 531 00:34:12,894 --> 00:34:14,195 The folks at MTV said 532 00:34:14,196 --> 00:34:16,364 they thought that was one of the best ''Unpluggeds.'' 533 00:34:16,365 --> 00:34:17,765 ls it nice to get that kind of response, 534 00:34:17,766 --> 00:34:19,366 especially when it's a stripped-down... 535 00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:20,967 l don't trust nobody, 536 00:34:20,968 --> 00:34:23,968 especially when they say something good. 537 00:34:28,808 --> 00:34:31,808 lf l even see you having fun, 538 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080 you will be promptly arrested 539 00:34:38,817 --> 00:34:41,817 and led away. 540 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,820 Fuck security. 541 00:35:15,316 --> 00:35:18,316 Yeah! 542 00:35:23,923 --> 00:35:26,923 That was when Ten was completely blowing up. 543 00:35:26,926 --> 00:35:28,160 They played at 3:00 in the afternoon. 544 00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:29,727 They were, like, the second group. 545 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:32,728 But the frenzy during their set got more and more extreme 546 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:36,464 as the tour went on. 547 00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:41,504 And it was all a whirlwind, 548 00:35:41,505 --> 00:35:43,640 because we went from vans to playing little clubs 549 00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:45,107 to a little bit bigger clubs, 550 00:35:45,108 --> 00:35:46,508 and then we get in ''Lollapalooza,'' 551 00:35:46,509 --> 00:35:49,411 and then you have everything blow up. 552 00:35:49,412 --> 00:35:50,713 l remember not being able to sleep 553 00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,347 for entire nights after the show 554 00:35:52,348 --> 00:35:54,215 because you'd be so buzzed. 555 00:35:54,216 --> 00:35:55,616 l finally figured out years later 556 00:35:55,617 --> 00:35:58,617 that if l took a bath, that sometimes put me to sleep. 557 00:36:22,707 --> 00:36:23,841 ls it like you can... 558 00:36:23,842 --> 00:36:26,110 Like you're just walking down the street one day 559 00:36:26,111 --> 00:36:28,445 and all of a sudden you feel like 560 00:36:28,446 --> 00:36:29,879 you're getting a lot more exposure 561 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,714 by a lot more people coming up to you? 562 00:36:31,715 --> 00:36:34,715 Like, l'm just wondering, like, when would you start noticing 563 00:36:35,419 --> 00:36:38,387 that all of a sudden, you know, your millions, 564 00:36:38,388 --> 00:36:41,356 millions of people are, like... Yeah, exactly. 565 00:36:41,357 --> 00:36:42,491 That would be weird. That would be weird. 566 00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,292 We try not to think about that as much as we can. 567 00:36:45,293 --> 00:36:48,028 We try not to think about that as much as we can. 568 00:36:48,029 --> 00:36:49,930 Think about that sentence for a while, America. 569 00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:52,930 Think about it. 570 00:36:53,634 --> 00:36:55,368 Back on the ''Headbangers Ball'' 571 00:36:55,369 --> 00:36:57,771 with Eddie and Mike of the band Pearl Jam. 572 00:36:57,772 --> 00:37:00,771 The album is called Ten. Why is it called Ten? 573 00:37:01,408 --> 00:37:03,642 Actually, that's back to Mookie Blaylock. 574 00:37:03,643 --> 00:37:06,445 That's his number. lt's total dedication to Mookie. 575 00:37:06,446 --> 00:37:09,180 Now, we're about to play your video for Alive. 576 00:37:09,181 --> 00:37:10,882 Did you like making the video, or... 577 00:37:10,883 --> 00:37:12,917 That was the thing. We didn't make a video. 578 00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:15,420 We said we just wanted to play live. 579 00:37:15,421 --> 00:37:17,621 There's no way, with a song like that, 580 00:37:17,622 --> 00:37:19,756 which talks about living for the moment, 581 00:37:19,757 --> 00:37:21,391 that we're going to, like, lip-synch something 582 00:37:21,392 --> 00:37:23,059 that we had recorded a few months ago. 583 00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:24,593 l wonder what they're going to do for another video 584 00:37:24,594 --> 00:37:25,728 if we ever have to do one, 585 00:37:25,729 --> 00:37:27,229 because all we ever want to do is live. 586 00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:28,831 Really? You can't see yourself 587 00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:31,831 ever making some sort of conceptual video or anything like that? 588 00:37:31,967 --> 00:37:34,967 Roll sound. Background. 589 00:38:04,129 --> 00:38:05,663 l personally have no problem 590 00:38:05,664 --> 00:38:07,565 with the theory of doing a concept video at all. 591 00:38:07,566 --> 00:38:08,933 To me, it's more of a question 592 00:38:08,934 --> 00:38:10,533 of what you have more control over, 593 00:38:10,534 --> 00:38:12,268 and we're going to give some control up this time 594 00:38:12,269 --> 00:38:15,269 and, you know, see how it works. 595 00:38:18,308 --> 00:38:20,676 That song was part of the second wave 596 00:38:20,677 --> 00:38:22,845 of songs that we wrote with Ed. 597 00:38:22,846 --> 00:38:25,346 l still didn't really understand songwriting at that point, 598 00:38:25,347 --> 00:38:26,948 and pretty much that whole song is in A. 599 00:38:26,949 --> 00:38:29,817 There's not really, like, a real major chord change in that song. 600 00:38:29,818 --> 00:38:32,119 lt sort of goes against the rules of, like, 601 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,287 how to write a pop song. 602 00:38:34,288 --> 00:38:36,122 Ed had been reading a newspaper 603 00:38:36,123 --> 00:38:37,958 when we were starting to jam on the song 604 00:38:37,959 --> 00:38:39,326 and basically wrote the entire lyrics 605 00:38:39,327 --> 00:38:42,326 off of a newspaper article. 606 00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:45,664 Visually making that video with Mark Pellington, 607 00:38:45,665 --> 00:38:47,366 he did such a great job at making you see 608 00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:50,134 kind of how heavy that lyric was. 609 00:38:50,135 --> 00:38:51,336 You seem kind of embarrassed about it. 610 00:38:51,337 --> 00:38:53,137 This seems to me to be quite a valid 611 00:38:53,138 --> 00:38:55,506 sort of artistic thing to be doing up there. 612 00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:56,940 lt was just... lt's a different... 613 00:38:56,941 --> 00:38:59,941 You know, it's a different kind of focus. 614 00:39:00,178 --> 00:39:01,845 You know, and that's the key to it, 615 00:39:01,846 --> 00:39:03,913 is just focusing, you know, 616 00:39:03,914 --> 00:39:06,516 but kind of like, with a camera, 617 00:39:06,517 --> 00:39:09,517 that's just... You know, l'm just not into it really. 618 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160 Yeah! 619 00:40:08,737 --> 00:40:11,737 We've never played for this many people before. 620 00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:16,074 We never thought we'd ever play for this many people. 621 00:40:17,745 --> 00:40:20,744 So you ready for one more? 1, 2, 3, 4. 622 00:41:37,981 --> 00:41:40,116 Yeah, lots of times, 623 00:41:40,117 --> 00:41:42,418 especially when our singer starts climbing up on the ceiling, 624 00:41:42,419 --> 00:41:45,418 like, 50 feet above the stage, and, like, is on a truss. 625 00:41:45,521 --> 00:41:48,521 You know, it's like, ''Don't do that.'' 626 00:41:52,193 --> 00:41:53,661 Were you worried he'd fall down? 627 00:41:53,662 --> 00:41:55,129 All the time. 628 00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:57,131 l thought, ''This guy's gonna fall and kill himself, 629 00:41:57,132 --> 00:41:58,832 ''and our career is over.'' 630 00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:01,832 l was worried every time he did it. 631 00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:36,131 Over the gigs, it got higher and higher. 632 00:42:36,132 --> 00:42:37,732 You'd do one, and then you'd notch it up, 633 00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:40,733 because you survived the last one, so... 634 00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:43,271 We're gonna take this to some level 635 00:42:43,272 --> 00:42:45,039 that people aren't gonna forget, 636 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,741 and if that means risking your life, 637 00:42:47,742 --> 00:42:50,742 we're gonna do it. 638 00:42:58,151 --> 00:43:00,653 You know, we'd get to the hotel after the shows or whatever 639 00:43:00,654 --> 00:43:02,187 and feel pretty good physically, 640 00:43:02,188 --> 00:43:04,889 and then l'd take a shower and realize that l had, like, 641 00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:07,890 a thousand deep scratches on my back. 642 00:43:10,028 --> 00:43:12,129 l didn't want him to hurt himself. 643 00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:15,130 But at the same time, it's like there was no talking to him. 644 00:43:16,467 --> 00:43:19,467 He was going to do what he was going to do. 645 00:43:20,337 --> 00:43:22,739 He could have killed himself a couple of times probably 646 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:25,373 for sure, which would have been... 647 00:43:25,374 --> 00:43:28,374 More than l could have taken. 648 00:43:30,546 --> 00:43:32,213 Tell me. You look quite mixed up. 649 00:43:32,214 --> 00:43:34,749 Look at these pictures. l'll show you these pictures. 650 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,917 l'll show you why l feel the way l do. 651 00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:38,552 lt's a little bit overwhelming 652 00:43:38,553 --> 00:43:40,120 to see this many people. 653 00:43:40,121 --> 00:43:43,121 l mean, l'm sure you've been looking at this all day. 654 00:43:44,391 --> 00:43:47,192 lt's a lot of people. 655 00:43:47,193 --> 00:43:49,394 We're used to playing small clubs, you know, 656 00:43:49,395 --> 00:43:52,395 and we want to go back to playing small clubs. 657 00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:55,933 He wanted Pearl Jam to be a band 658 00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:58,236 that goes out and tours in the van 659 00:43:58,237 --> 00:44:00,772 and pays its dues and plays clubs 660 00:44:00,773 --> 00:44:03,772 and makes albums and has a slow, natural life. 661 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:06,576 He was not the guy that wanted to come out 662 00:44:06,577 --> 00:44:07,944 and have overnight success. 663 00:44:07,945 --> 00:44:10,579 l think he was critical about the mixes of Ten. 664 00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:13,580 He felt like maybe they were leaning too commercial. 665 00:44:13,583 --> 00:44:16,583 He was really reluctant. 666 00:44:16,953 --> 00:44:19,952 You are also not going to be 667 00:44:20,956 --> 00:44:22,957 doing videos right away at least. 668 00:44:22,958 --> 00:44:24,425 We just don't know. 669 00:44:24,426 --> 00:44:26,093 You know, our mind is on music right now, 670 00:44:26,094 --> 00:44:29,094 which is probably a really good thing for everybody. 671 00:44:30,131 --> 00:44:32,599 l think l got that theory to make that part work. 672 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,599 l come in one earlier than l normally do. 673 00:44:37,604 --> 00:44:39,806 So l still do four. So it almost felt like it didn't... 674 00:44:39,807 --> 00:44:41,273 lt almost kind of always felt like l did 675 00:44:41,274 --> 00:44:42,808 one too many or something, 676 00:44:42,809 --> 00:44:44,342 but it didn't, like, play itself. 677 00:44:44,343 --> 00:44:47,343 Let's just do it one more time. 678 00:45:45,663 --> 00:45:48,332 A lot of my job is taking what they bring 679 00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,800 and turning it into something. 680 00:45:50,801 --> 00:45:53,801 Okay, this is a chord change. This is this. This is a melody. 681 00:45:54,204 --> 00:45:55,872 Okay, but what does that mean? 682 00:45:55,873 --> 00:45:58,872 Where am l? lf l close my eyes, where am l? 683 00:45:58,875 --> 00:46:01,875 What does this music mean? 684 00:46:10,552 --> 00:46:13,551 Let's just figure out where we want to go on that verse. 685 00:46:13,888 --> 00:46:16,689 l was at this, like, small, little coffee shop, 686 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,092 and someone came up and stopped me, 687 00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:20,525 and the waitress, this older lady, 688 00:46:20,526 --> 00:46:22,728 kind of witnessed it and said, ''You're...'' 689 00:46:22,729 --> 00:46:24,363 l said, ''Yeah, yeah,'' you know. 690 00:46:24,364 --> 00:46:26,365 She says, ''What? You don't like it?'' 691 00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:27,899 l said, ''lt's just... 692 00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,533 ''lt's no big deal, you know. l'm just this guy.'' 693 00:46:29,534 --> 00:46:32,169 And she says, ''lf you don't like it, you know, 694 00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:34,772 ''you certainly picked the wrong business to be in.'' 695 00:46:34,773 --> 00:46:36,706 And she had a really good point. 696 00:46:36,707 --> 00:46:39,707 The fact is, when you sit in your room playing guitar, 697 00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:41,378 you don't have to worry about being successful. 698 00:46:41,379 --> 00:46:44,378 lt's not gonna happen. lt's just not gonna happen. 699 00:46:45,515 --> 00:46:46,615 The point of doing an encore 700 00:46:46,616 --> 00:46:48,384 just doesn't make any sense to me. 701 00:46:48,385 --> 00:46:51,384 When you're playing in front of 30 people... 702 00:46:53,389 --> 00:46:55,790 l had done the movie ''Say Anything...'' 703 00:46:55,791 --> 00:46:58,790 and was anxious to do the next movie here in Seattle, 704 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,360 and it was going to have that mix of music that l love. 705 00:47:04,799 --> 00:47:06,565 The studio looked at the movie and said, 706 00:47:06,566 --> 00:47:08,067 ''We don't know how to sell this movie. 707 00:47:08,068 --> 00:47:10,169 ''We don't even want to put it out.'' 708 00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:13,170 But as Nirvana got bigger and Pearl Jam got bigger, 709 00:47:13,773 --> 00:47:16,773 they came to me and said, ''Well, you know, there is one way.'' 710 00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:20,111 When we looked at the schedule, 711 00:47:20,112 --> 00:47:22,413 it was like there was one day off that week, 712 00:47:22,414 --> 00:47:24,281 and that was the day that he wanted us to play, 713 00:47:24,282 --> 00:47:26,116 and we're just going like, ''Shit.'' 714 00:47:26,117 --> 00:47:29,116 Any memories of the ''Singles'' party in Los Angeles, 715 00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:31,421 which we have very vivid footage from. 716 00:47:31,422 --> 00:47:34,422 God. Do you have some footage of that? 717 00:47:34,491 --> 00:47:36,758 We do. The unaired, of course, footage. 718 00:47:36,759 --> 00:47:39,759 Yeah. l won't watch that. 719 00:47:40,029 --> 00:47:43,029 Fuck MTV! Fuck all TV! 720 00:47:43,633 --> 00:47:45,199 lt was pretty bad. 721 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,667 We're all just warming up, you know. 722 00:47:46,668 --> 00:47:48,602 lt's not like one of these fucking movie things. 723 00:47:48,603 --> 00:47:51,603 You've got to warm up, right? 724 00:47:51,606 --> 00:47:53,440 lt was a disaster, 725 00:47:53,441 --> 00:47:55,208 a total disaster. 726 00:47:55,209 --> 00:47:58,209 Everybody loves us. 727 00:47:58,346 --> 00:48:01,345 Everybody loves our town! 728 00:48:02,515 --> 00:48:04,450 There were some long soundchecks that day or something. 729 00:48:04,451 --> 00:48:06,452 So l drank, like, one bottle of wine, 730 00:48:06,453 --> 00:48:08,453 and then there was, like, another that l opened 731 00:48:08,454 --> 00:48:11,454 to give to friends, and they weren't drinking. 732 00:48:14,793 --> 00:48:16,126 And so we're downstairs, 733 00:48:16,127 --> 00:48:19,127 and there's a bottle of tequila sitting down there, 734 00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:21,765 which we hardly ever drank before the show, 735 00:48:21,766 --> 00:48:24,765 but by that point, we were already, like, fucking wasted. 736 00:48:26,169 --> 00:48:27,803 l actually have more memories 737 00:48:27,804 --> 00:48:30,803 than you'd think l would have. 738 00:48:32,541 --> 00:48:34,509 The monitors weren't working that well, 739 00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:36,878 or my ears weren't working, one or the other. 740 00:48:36,879 --> 00:48:39,480 l kept looking over and asking them to turn the monitors up. 741 00:48:39,481 --> 00:48:41,949 l can't hear anything. And it just wouldn't turn up. 742 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:44,451 At some point after a while, l just got really upset, 743 00:48:44,452 --> 00:48:47,220 and l went over. They had this pipe and drape thing, 744 00:48:47,221 --> 00:48:48,821 and l pulled it off and threw it down or something. 745 00:48:48,822 --> 00:48:50,256 l don't know. ls this documented? 746 00:48:50,257 --> 00:48:53,059 l looked over, and that wasn't our soundwoman. 747 00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:55,460 lt was the lighting person. l kept wondering, like, 748 00:48:55,461 --> 00:48:58,461 ''Why is it getting brighter in here?'' 749 00:49:06,872 --> 00:49:09,871 l began to see studio executives and their families 750 00:49:10,107 --> 00:49:12,042 starting to stream for the exits. 751 00:49:12,043 --> 00:49:13,510 Some fights were breaking out. 752 00:49:13,511 --> 00:49:16,510 Don't be violent! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! 753 00:49:31,692 --> 00:49:33,226 Because we had waited so long 754 00:49:33,227 --> 00:49:34,694 for anyone to ask us to do something 755 00:49:34,695 --> 00:49:37,064 that we were saying yes, yes, yes. 756 00:49:37,065 --> 00:49:40,064 That was a moment where it was really evident 757 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,700 that there was always gonna be 758 00:49:41,701 --> 00:49:44,701 one more thing they were gonna want you to do. 759 00:49:48,507 --> 00:49:51,409 At some point, you had to say no. 760 00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:54,410 That was the birth of no. 761 00:50:24,106 --> 00:50:27,105 Let's keep things rolling here, Tab. 762 00:50:27,108 --> 00:50:29,642 ''Grunge rockers Pearl Jam.'' 763 00:50:29,643 --> 00:50:30,910 We don't have time to explain the puzzle to you, 764 00:50:30,911 --> 00:50:33,910 but we'll be back. 765 00:50:43,322 --> 00:50:46,023 Shit got fucking crazy. 766 00:50:46,024 --> 00:50:47,458 -Who are Pearl Jam? -Right. 767 00:50:47,459 --> 00:50:49,826 This is MTV's ''Smells Like Grunge'' countdown. 768 00:50:49,827 --> 00:50:50,927 l was just screaming for anything. 769 00:50:50,928 --> 00:50:52,129 l wanted something of Eddie's. 770 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:54,464 And they gave me the wine bottle. 771 00:50:54,465 --> 00:50:55,765 What did you think of the show? 772 00:50:55,766 --> 00:50:57,333 lt was fucking so awesome. 773 00:50:57,334 --> 00:50:58,601 Could you do a Week in Rock open for us? 774 00:50:58,602 --> 00:51:00,069 What is that? 775 00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:02,938 We're just about to launch MTV in Latin America. 776 00:51:02,939 --> 00:51:04,539 l don't know if you feel comfortable 777 00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:06,141 doing a couple of l.D.'s for us... 778 00:51:06,142 --> 00:51:07,308 -Sure. -Sure. 779 00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:10,309 ln Spanish. So if you could just hang on. Josh. 780 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,779 Pearl Jam. 781 00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:15,780 MTV. 782 00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:17,951 What do you think grunge means? 783 00:51:17,952 --> 00:51:19,485 l don't even say that word. 784 00:51:19,486 --> 00:51:20,786 Really? 785 00:51:20,787 --> 00:51:23,787 All your friends are talking about is Pearl Jam. 786 00:51:24,491 --> 00:51:26,626 Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. 787 00:51:26,627 --> 00:51:29,161 l've always hated their band. 788 00:51:29,162 --> 00:51:31,296 The first Pearl Jam record came out two months 789 00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:33,932 before the Nevermind record, so it turned into 790 00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:35,733 a Pearl Jam versus Nirvana thing. 791 00:51:35,734 --> 00:51:37,268 Nirvana's Kurt Cobain made 792 00:51:37,269 --> 00:51:40,104 some rather disparaging remarks about Pearl Jam's music, 793 00:51:40,105 --> 00:51:41,639 which he thought was too commercial 794 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,940 to be truly alternative. 795 00:51:43,941 --> 00:51:46,941 l was so naive and fresh when we first came out, 796 00:51:47,178 --> 00:51:50,145 singing and opening up, and then everyone 797 00:51:50,146 --> 00:51:53,015 just looked at it from a cynical point of view 798 00:51:53,016 --> 00:51:56,016 or started copying it. 799 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:59,318 Eddie Vedder joins Creed front man Scott Stapp. 800 00:52:07,094 --> 00:52:08,528 Eddie Vedder is attempting 801 00:52:08,529 --> 00:52:11,529 to rip out Scott Stapp's larynx with his bare hands. 802 00:52:12,233 --> 00:52:13,699 The group is called Pearl Jam. 803 00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:14,967 l'm talking about Pearl Jam. 804 00:52:14,968 --> 00:52:16,535 Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. 805 00:52:16,536 --> 00:52:18,470 Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. 806 00:52:18,471 --> 00:52:21,470 Pearl Jam... 807 00:52:23,542 --> 00:52:25,677 Hi. l'm Tabitha Soren with ''MTV News.'' 808 00:52:25,678 --> 00:52:28,645 Pearl Jam will become the second Seattle band within a month 809 00:52:28,646 --> 00:52:30,547 to enter the Billboard pop albums chart 810 00:52:30,548 --> 00:52:32,049 at number one next week. 811 00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:33,684 Since its release a week ago, 812 00:52:33,685 --> 00:52:36,684 Vs. has sold 950,000 copies. 813 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,222 A million. You know, what's a million? 814 00:52:39,223 --> 00:52:42,223 l'm having a hard enough time with one right now. 815 00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:44,693 We played ''Saturday Night Live'' the second time, 816 00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:46,194 and l remember talking to Stone the next day, 817 00:52:46,195 --> 00:52:47,395 and he said, ''What did you think of Daughter?'' 818 00:52:47,396 --> 00:52:50,396 And l thought in my mind, we played Daughter? 819 00:52:51,399 --> 00:52:54,399 So l essentially blacked out on TV. 820 00:52:57,706 --> 00:52:59,706 And that's how l dealt with how big we got, 821 00:52:59,707 --> 00:53:02,575 kind of checking out and partying a lot. 822 00:53:02,576 --> 00:53:04,811 l bought into the myth, 823 00:53:04,812 --> 00:53:06,812 and it was killing me. 824 00:53:06,813 --> 00:53:08,113 The last time l talked to Kurt, 825 00:53:08,114 --> 00:53:10,882 we both agreed together that we were not 826 00:53:10,883 --> 00:53:12,584 going to participate in the Time Magazine. 827 00:53:12,585 --> 00:53:14,418 Neither band was going to participate 828 00:53:14,419 --> 00:53:17,154 in the Time Magazine interview, and we didn't, 829 00:53:17,155 --> 00:53:20,155 and then they put me on the fucking cover anyway. 830 00:53:20,259 --> 00:53:21,725 l mean, sure, l could read it, 831 00:53:21,726 --> 00:53:23,226 you know, and l read it. l read it on the airplanes. 832 00:53:23,227 --> 00:53:24,594 But l don't take it seriously. 833 00:53:24,595 --> 00:53:25,729 lf l want to find out anything, 834 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:27,163 l'm not gonna read Time Magazine. 835 00:53:27,164 --> 00:53:29,065 Time Magazine was just, you know, 836 00:53:29,066 --> 00:53:30,432 your parents' magazine 837 00:53:30,433 --> 00:53:32,368 or the magazine that's in a doctor's office, 838 00:53:32,369 --> 00:53:33,535 and l just thought, 839 00:53:33,536 --> 00:53:36,536 ''We've been swallowed up by the mainstream, 840 00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:38,539 ''and no one's gonna want to listen to us.'' 841 00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:39,974 l'm not gonna read Newsweek. 842 00:53:39,975 --> 00:53:41,509 l'm not gonna read any of these magazines. 843 00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:43,444 l mean, 'cause they've just got too much to lose 844 00:53:43,445 --> 00:53:46,444 by printing the truth. 845 00:53:48,283 --> 00:53:51,283 You know that. 846 00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:07,100 How were you going to survive and not do something wrong, 847 00:56:08,405 --> 00:56:10,272 not piss someone off? 848 00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:12,340 You know, now you've sold too many records, 849 00:56:12,341 --> 00:56:15,276 but these people are so happy to hear your music, 850 00:56:15,277 --> 00:56:17,412 but these people hate you now. 851 00:56:17,413 --> 00:56:20,412 And... And these people love you so much 852 00:56:20,882 --> 00:56:23,550 they want to kill you. 853 00:56:23,551 --> 00:56:26,185 So how do you relate to any of these people 854 00:56:26,186 --> 00:56:29,186 from where you are? 855 00:56:29,456 --> 00:56:32,191 Yeah, l think the one that l wanted to get impersonal with 856 00:56:32,192 --> 00:56:35,191 was No Code because of stalker problems 857 00:56:35,594 --> 00:56:37,061 and built a wall in front of the house 858 00:56:37,062 --> 00:56:40,062 because... Because why? 859 00:56:40,699 --> 00:56:43,698 Because l had been open and honest and intimate in lyrics, 860 00:56:45,737 --> 00:56:48,736 that seemed really strange. 861 00:56:48,806 --> 00:56:51,806 Now l'm having to build a wall in front of the house. 862 00:56:52,976 --> 00:56:55,976 l mean, that wall... lt saved my life. 863 00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:00,081 Not because of privacy or anything, but literally, 864 00:57:00,082 --> 00:57:03,082 because someone drove, trying to drive into the house 865 00:57:03,953 --> 00:57:06,952 at 50 miles an hour. 866 00:57:08,623 --> 00:57:11,623 So, you wonder what happened 867 00:57:12,927 --> 00:57:15,927 or how did it mutate into this kind of situation? 868 00:57:17,598 --> 00:57:20,597 You'll have to edit this part. 869 00:57:23,203 --> 00:57:25,804 The young musician who made grunge music popular 870 00:57:25,805 --> 00:57:27,805 had become an overnight spokesman 871 00:57:27,806 --> 00:57:29,807 for many disaffected young Americans, 872 00:57:29,808 --> 00:57:32,477 as his fans tried to sort out what it was 873 00:57:32,478 --> 00:57:35,245 that caused him to take his life. 874 00:57:35,246 --> 00:57:36,646 l was trying to, like, with my eyes 875 00:57:36,647 --> 00:57:39,647 trying to tell them, ''Don't hurt me.'' 876 00:57:40,751 --> 00:57:42,052 And what's all this nonsense 877 00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:44,220 about how terrible life is? 878 00:57:44,221 --> 00:57:47,089 A young girl who stood outside his home in Seattle 879 00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:49,859 with tears streaming down her face said, 880 00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:52,827 ''lt's hard to be a young person nowadays. 881 00:57:52,828 --> 00:57:55,828 ''He helped open people's eyes to our struggles.'' 882 00:57:56,398 --> 00:57:59,132 Please wipe the tears from your eyes, dear. 883 00:57:59,133 --> 00:58:00,801 You're breaking my heart. 884 00:58:00,802 --> 00:58:03,537 l'd love to relieve the pain you're going through 885 00:58:03,538 --> 00:58:06,537 by switching my age for yours. 886 00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:10,676 l was trying to call him 887 00:58:10,677 --> 00:58:11,978 because l'd read something he said, 888 00:58:11,979 --> 00:58:13,945 that he couldn't keep it real, 889 00:58:13,946 --> 00:58:15,380 and l just wanted to tell him, ''Listen, 890 00:58:15,381 --> 00:58:16,648 ''you don't have to do anything 891 00:58:16,649 --> 00:58:17,949 ''anybody fucking tells you to do. 892 00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:20,552 ''Just stop fucking playing, cancel all your shit, 893 00:58:20,553 --> 00:58:21,886 ''and don't do anything.'' 894 00:58:21,887 --> 00:58:24,088 l had a whole thing l was going to tell him, 895 00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:26,957 but l never got a chance. 896 00:58:26,958 --> 00:58:29,526 Sometimes people elevate you, you know, 897 00:58:29,527 --> 00:58:32,527 whether you like it or not. 898 00:58:32,997 --> 00:58:35,996 lt's real easy to fall. 899 00:58:37,133 --> 00:58:40,133 l don't think any of us would be in this room here tonight 900 00:58:40,637 --> 00:58:43,637 if it weren't for Kurt Cobain, so... 901 00:58:48,377 --> 00:58:51,376 People think that we're whining or crying about success 902 00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:53,980 if we're just really trying to tell you 903 00:58:53,981 --> 00:58:56,716 that there's some intense pressures 904 00:58:56,717 --> 00:58:59,716 and really some things that could be helped. 905 00:59:17,902 --> 00:59:19,603 He resonates in my life 906 00:59:19,604 --> 00:59:22,603 in this... lt always comes up, like, around a campfire 907 00:59:23,206 --> 00:59:26,206 or playing music with a few guys he had known in a garage 908 00:59:27,444 --> 00:59:29,811 for no particular reason. 909 00:59:29,812 --> 00:59:32,812 l always just think, ''He would have... 910 00:59:33,082 --> 00:59:36,082 ''He would have liked this.'' 911 00:59:48,996 --> 00:59:50,229 l really like him. 912 00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:52,731 l think he's a nice, really nice person. 913 00:59:52,732 --> 00:59:54,366 l didn't like him a lot then, 914 00:59:54,367 --> 00:59:57,069 when l was talking shit about him all the time, 915 00:59:57,070 --> 01:00:00,070 but now l can... l can appreciate him, you know. 916 01:00:00,073 --> 01:00:02,073 l mean, l've realized that, you know, 917 01:00:02,074 --> 01:00:03,874 the same people that like our band like their band, 918 01:00:03,875 --> 01:00:06,875 so why create some kind of feud over something? 919 01:00:15,052 --> 01:00:17,419 He made us think about everything that we did, you know. 920 01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:19,421 His critique of us early on 921 01:00:19,422 --> 01:00:22,191 sure kept us on good behavior. 922 01:00:22,192 --> 01:00:23,758 ln terms of everything that we did, 923 01:00:23,759 --> 01:00:25,960 we thought, ''Okay, why are we doing this?'' 924 01:00:25,961 --> 01:00:27,762 lf we're good now, 925 01:00:27,763 --> 01:00:30,763 it's partly because of him. 926 01:00:37,739 --> 01:00:39,705 lt's not like you're friends or anything. 927 01:00:39,706 --> 01:00:41,641 l mean, l can consider him 928 01:00:41,642 --> 01:00:43,142 a person that l really like. 929 01:00:43,143 --> 01:00:44,810 l mean, we've had a few conversations on the phone, 930 01:00:44,811 --> 01:00:45,945 and l really like him. 931 01:00:45,946 --> 01:00:48,945 l think he's a nice, really nice person. 932 01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:52,217 Yeah, l remember the sound of his voice, 933 01:00:52,218 --> 01:00:54,918 but l don't remember what we talked about. 934 01:00:54,919 --> 01:00:57,919 Just normal stuff. lt was just real... 935 01:00:59,057 --> 01:01:02,056 Just real normal. 936 01:01:21,576 --> 01:01:23,110 l haven't let myself change, 937 01:01:23,111 --> 01:01:25,912 but the way people see you changes, 938 01:01:25,913 --> 01:01:28,848 and that's not in my hands, that's not in my control. 939 01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:30,650 And maybe what is in my control 940 01:01:30,651 --> 01:01:33,519 is not doing interviews, or not being on the TV, 941 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,520 and not anything to kind of glorify your face or position. 942 01:01:41,827 --> 01:01:44,328 l was talking about this band being a bit more faceless, 943 01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:46,164 and it can be done, you know. 944 01:01:46,165 --> 01:01:48,632 Pink Floyd and... 945 01:01:48,633 --> 01:01:51,633 l mean, it can be done. 946 01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:56,837 Ed couldn't be anonymous, and it was affecting him. 947 01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:58,641 So l think psychologically, 948 01:01:58,642 --> 01:02:01,642 he needed to take control of something. 949 01:02:03,979 --> 01:02:06,979 So then he was like, ''Okay. l can have control over music.'' 950 01:02:13,722 --> 01:02:16,722 l felt that anything that we put out was highly representative of me, 951 01:02:18,459 --> 01:02:21,459 because l was kind of becoming the most recognizable guy. 952 01:02:34,906 --> 01:02:36,373 Vitalogy was the first record 953 01:02:36,374 --> 01:02:39,043 where it was like we were making a record in a different way. 954 01:02:39,044 --> 01:02:40,144 l was writing a few songs, 955 01:02:40,145 --> 01:02:41,745 but all of a sudden everybody was starting to write, 956 01:02:41,746 --> 01:02:43,413 and he was writing more, and l was like, 957 01:02:43,414 --> 01:02:45,248 ''Wait a minute, you know. l'm the guy. 958 01:02:45,249 --> 01:02:47,650 ''You know, let me get in there and do this thing. 959 01:02:47,651 --> 01:02:50,650 ''l know how to do this thing.'' 960 01:02:50,653 --> 01:02:53,653 And at the time l thought, ''This isn't our best record.'' 961 01:02:54,624 --> 01:02:57,525 The dynamics of the band of how they have changed 962 01:02:57,526 --> 01:03:00,328 to who was ''in power,'' 963 01:03:00,329 --> 01:03:03,164 Stone early on, 964 01:03:03,165 --> 01:03:06,164 Ed now. 965 01:03:43,633 --> 01:03:45,500 As much as l'm excited to play, 966 01:03:45,501 --> 01:03:47,769 l'll cop to it, it's a surfing tour. 967 01:03:47,770 --> 01:03:50,138 l plan on having a surfboard with me at all times. 968 01:03:50,139 --> 01:03:51,539 That was a big worldwide tour. 969 01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:54,275 l think it was the first time we went to Australia. 970 01:03:54,276 --> 01:03:56,977 lt was a challenging time, to kind of go, 971 01:03:56,978 --> 01:03:58,545 ''l don't know if we're the same band right now, 972 01:03:58,546 --> 01:04:00,814 ''but we might be a different band right now, 973 01:04:00,815 --> 01:04:03,815 ''and maybe they'll like the new band.'' 974 01:04:18,096 --> 01:04:21,095 Jeff and l have always had this adversarial relationship. 975 01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:22,499 lt's all been muted now 976 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:24,668 because what we thought of as our new band 977 01:04:24,669 --> 01:04:26,436 that we might try to control together 978 01:04:26,437 --> 01:04:29,271 immediately was taken over by Ed. 979 01:04:29,272 --> 01:04:31,207 But we learned the greatest lesson of all, 980 01:04:31,208 --> 01:04:34,109 which is just as you're fighting over the scraps of control, 981 01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,312 you meet somebody with so much artistic energy 982 01:04:36,313 --> 01:04:39,312 that your argument becomes pointless. 983 01:05:05,872 --> 01:05:08,038 We were always kind of going towards something else. 984 01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:09,673 l think we wanted to be more like Zeppelin. 985 01:05:09,674 --> 01:05:12,343 l think we wanted to be more of a chameleon type of band. 986 01:05:12,344 --> 01:05:15,343 We didn't want to be locked into, like, a real specific style. 987 01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:17,680 But the business aspect of the record company, 988 01:05:17,681 --> 01:05:19,215 it's all about fucking making money now 989 01:05:19,216 --> 01:05:21,517 and fucking wind this thing up, and you know, 990 01:05:21,518 --> 01:05:23,418 they could care less if it's gone tomorrow 991 01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:25,520 because they've got something coming up the fucking backside 992 01:05:25,521 --> 01:05:26,955 that's gonna replace it. 993 01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:29,091 And we were just trying to figure out 994 01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:31,459 how we were gonna be a band down the road, you know. 995 01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:34,061 Like, there wasn't anybody to go to at that point, you know, 996 01:05:34,062 --> 01:05:37,062 not until we met Neil. 997 01:05:38,933 --> 01:05:40,033 The first time we got asked 998 01:05:40,034 --> 01:05:41,902 to play The Bridge School in San Francisco, 999 01:05:41,903 --> 01:05:43,470 we just made a connection there. 1000 01:05:43,471 --> 01:05:44,571 He said, ''Hey, man, thanks for doing this.'' 1001 01:05:44,572 --> 01:05:47,571 And a few months later, he asked us to go to Europe with him. 1002 01:05:48,208 --> 01:05:51,208 Like, it all seems like... All seems like a dream to me. 1003 01:06:01,886 --> 01:06:03,754 Doing a record with him, we did Mirror Ball, 1004 01:06:03,755 --> 01:06:06,755 it was so educational, listening to him talk about his career. 1005 01:06:07,158 --> 01:06:09,358 Playing in stadiums one minute, 1006 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:10,993 and then the next time he's playing in clubs, 1007 01:06:10,994 --> 01:06:12,929 and then he's playing in medium-sized places, 1008 01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:15,930 but all along, he's doing whatever he wants to do. 1009 01:06:15,966 --> 01:06:18,965 His point is to kind of roll with the punches. 1010 01:06:52,731 --> 01:06:55,730 l'm happy to finally have an adult in my life 1011 01:06:56,968 --> 01:06:58,768 that leads by example. 1012 01:06:58,769 --> 01:07:01,769 l've had some crazy adults in my life. 1013 01:07:01,973 --> 01:07:04,972 So it's about time l got one that inspires me. 1014 01:07:21,255 --> 01:07:24,255 l hope Neil's feeling feisty tonight, 1015 01:07:26,827 --> 01:07:28,327 and speaking of feisty, 1016 01:07:28,328 --> 01:07:31,328 some smart-ass who arranged the tables 1017 01:07:31,698 --> 01:07:34,697 put our table right next to Ticketmaster's table over here. 1018 01:07:40,939 --> 01:07:43,939 So l predict a food fight by the end of the evening, 1019 01:07:46,444 --> 01:07:49,443 and l would recommend to the classy people over there 1020 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,581 to scoot away or join in. 1021 01:07:51,582 --> 01:07:54,582 Maybe we should all join in while we got them right here. 1022 01:07:59,288 --> 01:08:01,089 ln the United States, the hit rock band Pearl Jam 1023 01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,089 has taken battle against what it claims 1024 01:08:04,092 --> 01:08:06,560 is the greed of the entertainment industry. 1025 01:08:06,561 --> 01:08:08,362 lt's tackling the high cost of buying 1026 01:08:08,363 --> 01:08:11,362 from the country's biggest ticket agency, Ticketmaster. 1027 01:08:11,432 --> 01:08:14,432 All the band wants, it says, is a fair deal for the fans. 1028 01:08:17,772 --> 01:08:20,205 We don't want to be doing a press conference. 1029 01:08:20,206 --> 01:08:21,807 We want to be playing. 1030 01:08:21,808 --> 01:08:24,610 The nation's top rock band is accusing 1031 01:08:24,611 --> 01:08:26,477 the biggest ticket distributor in the business 1032 01:08:26,478 --> 01:08:29,047 of unfair practices and price-gouging. 1033 01:08:29,048 --> 01:08:32,048 lf they don't agree to Ticketmaster's terms, they can't perform. 1034 01:08:32,384 --> 01:08:35,383 A spokesman insisted Ticketmaster never told 1035 01:08:35,453 --> 01:08:37,521 any promoter not to book Pearl Jam. 1036 01:08:37,522 --> 01:08:40,522 He dismissed the band members as, 1037 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,694 Last month, the band took the extraordinary step 1038 01:08:45,695 --> 01:08:48,695 of filing a complaint here at the justice department. 1039 01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:53,900 When you're on that big of a stage, it's not in your control. 1040 01:08:53,936 --> 01:08:55,870 You're sort of playing a part to some larger drama. 1041 01:08:55,871 --> 01:08:58,870 We had a very specific problem with Ticketmaster, 1042 01:08:59,307 --> 01:09:00,874 and they asked us to come and testify 1043 01:09:00,875 --> 01:09:01,942 about our specific problem 1044 01:09:01,943 --> 01:09:04,411 in regards to a larger lawsuit that was being brought, 1045 01:09:04,412 --> 01:09:06,345 but it's always been perceived as, like, 1046 01:09:06,346 --> 01:09:08,414 we were trying to break up Ticketmaster. 1047 01:09:08,415 --> 01:09:11,250 The subcommittee will come to order. 1048 01:09:11,251 --> 01:09:13,218 We are honored to have representatives 1049 01:09:13,219 --> 01:09:16,219 of both Pearl Jam and Ticketmaster here with us today. 1050 01:09:17,323 --> 01:09:20,322 The key question is whether recent contractual agreements 1051 01:09:20,492 --> 01:09:22,893 between Ticketmaster and most major stadiums 1052 01:09:22,894 --> 01:09:25,894 and concert promoters have violated federal antitrust laws. 1053 01:09:27,566 --> 01:09:30,565 Who would like to go first? Stone? 1054 01:09:31,335 --> 01:09:33,403 All the members of Pearl Jam remember what it's like 1055 01:09:33,404 --> 01:09:35,938 to be young and not have a lot of money. 1056 01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,506 Many Pearl Jam fans are teenagers 1057 01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:39,541 who do not have the money to pay $30 or more 1058 01:09:39,542 --> 01:09:42,377 that is often charged for tickets today. 1059 01:09:42,378 --> 01:09:43,744 We have made a conscious decision 1060 01:09:43,745 --> 01:09:45,279 that we do not want to put the price of our concerts 1061 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,881 out of the reach of our fans. 1062 01:09:46,882 --> 01:09:48,749 Mr. Chairman, this is really about choices. 1063 01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:50,750 Fans can go from one music store to another 1064 01:09:50,751 --> 01:09:52,752 to find the best deal on a CD, 1065 01:09:52,753 --> 01:09:54,588 but they can't go anywhere but Ticketmaster 1066 01:09:54,589 --> 01:09:55,989 for concert tickets. 1067 01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:58,989 Do you think Ticketmaster is entitled to a profit? 1068 01:09:59,459 --> 01:10:02,459 l don't think that question matters, you know. 1069 01:10:03,296 --> 01:10:06,295 You do have a contract with your record company, 1070 01:10:06,298 --> 01:10:08,766 and it is exclusive. ls that correct? 1071 01:10:08,767 --> 01:10:10,602 l think this line of questioning is very strange, 1072 01:10:10,603 --> 01:10:13,603 because it seems like what does that really have to do with anything? 1073 01:10:13,771 --> 01:10:15,939 The issue at hand here is whether Ticketmaster 1074 01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:18,108 is a monopoly, not whether... 1075 01:10:18,109 --> 01:10:19,610 Or to have anything to do with our business 1076 01:10:19,611 --> 01:10:21,377 or what our relationship is with our manager. 1077 01:10:21,378 --> 01:10:23,379 Let's just get it on the record. 1078 01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:24,947 -Mr. Horn. -Now l gather... 1079 01:10:24,948 --> 01:10:27,948 Do you want these guys to play Long Beach or not? 1080 01:10:28,318 --> 01:10:31,317 What l want is a record. 1081 01:10:32,622 --> 01:10:35,622 What l want is a record here. 1082 01:10:36,192 --> 01:10:38,659 Let's just get it on the record. 1083 01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:41,660 A record here. 1084 01:10:44,365 --> 01:10:47,365 First of all, l want you to know l think you're just darling guys. 1085 01:10:48,836 --> 01:10:50,503 This is so great. 1086 01:10:50,504 --> 01:10:52,171 When we got involved in this issue, 1087 01:10:52,172 --> 01:10:55,172 l did not know very much, and still don't, about alternative music. 1088 01:10:56,676 --> 01:10:59,675 After some requests, l tried to learn some Pearl Jam songs, 1089 01:11:00,512 --> 01:11:03,512 but l think it's a little beyond me. 1090 01:11:04,883 --> 01:11:07,651 Having been a fan for many, many years, 1091 01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:08,752 l don't want to become 1092 01:11:08,753 --> 01:11:11,188 something that l despised as a kid, you know. 1093 01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:14,189 When my staff told me we were going to have this hearing, 1094 01:11:14,525 --> 01:11:16,659 l have to tell you, l knew nothing about grunge, 1095 01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:19,660 but l know a lot about the importance of fairness and equity, 1096 01:11:20,897 --> 01:11:23,896 and l think you've raised some very important questions. 1097 01:11:25,167 --> 01:11:27,502 Who were the powers-that-be that wanted to be perceived 1098 01:11:27,503 --> 01:11:29,070 as putting some pressure on Ticketmaster? 1099 01:11:29,071 --> 01:11:32,070 lt's like, you know, those are back-room, 1100 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,641 David Lynch-ian guys in hotel rooms 1101 01:11:34,642 --> 01:11:37,642 who need oxygen tanks, darkened L.A. 1102 01:11:38,845 --> 01:11:40,680 That's who l always think of. 1103 01:11:40,681 --> 01:11:43,681 lt's like, he understands. 1104 01:11:45,185 --> 01:11:47,619 Almost a year after picking its fight with Ticketmaster, 1105 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:50,620 Pearl Jam remains alone among major rock bands 1106 01:11:50,823 --> 01:11:53,024 who could have joined the Seattle group in its boycott 1107 01:11:53,025 --> 01:11:54,325 but never did. 1108 01:11:54,326 --> 01:11:56,560 lt's just a few lonely voices 1109 01:11:56,561 --> 01:11:59,230 because not many of the other groups joined up. 1110 01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:01,231 There's no deal between us and Ticketmaster. 1111 01:12:01,232 --> 01:12:04,232 We're not playing Ticketmaster shows this summer. 1112 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,715 Shows where we're going outside of cities 1113 01:12:20,716 --> 01:12:23,618 and building shows from the ground up, 1114 01:12:23,619 --> 01:12:26,618 that was a really tough time. 1115 01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:55,244 We're trying to find how many counterfeit tickets are out there. 1116 01:12:55,245 --> 01:12:57,446 We saw some people selling tickets. 1117 01:12:57,447 --> 01:12:59,115 So we bought them. We were all psyched. 1118 01:12:59,116 --> 01:13:01,817 And then we got up to the door, and they said they were counterfeit. 1119 01:13:01,818 --> 01:13:03,151 Right now, we're trying to figure out 1120 01:13:03,152 --> 01:13:06,152 how to help these kids get into the show. 1121 01:13:18,632 --> 01:13:21,632 Let me just leave you with this observation. 1122 01:13:21,835 --> 01:13:24,003 When art is successful, 1123 01:13:24,004 --> 01:13:27,003 it unavoidably becomes a business. 1124 01:13:27,106 --> 01:13:29,107 The question then is 1125 01:13:29,108 --> 01:13:31,877 whether artists have an inherent right 1126 01:13:31,878 --> 01:13:34,645 to control the limits of their business 1127 01:13:34,646 --> 01:13:37,448 and how it relates to the growth of their art. 1128 01:13:37,449 --> 01:13:40,251 The answer, l'm convinced, 1129 01:13:40,252 --> 01:13:43,251 is that artists do have a right to that control. 1130 01:13:45,323 --> 01:13:47,657 l think we've always just fallen into ways 1131 01:13:47,658 --> 01:13:50,657 of doing things the way we felt they should be done, 1132 01:13:51,161 --> 01:13:53,495 and whether they were right or whether they were wrong, 1133 01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:56,495 they were just our ways of doing it. 1134 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,335 l've never heard of Pearl Jam, l must admit. 1135 01:14:00,336 --> 01:14:03,336 That makes two of us. 1136 01:14:04,272 --> 01:14:07,174 And here we are in your fine place. 1137 01:14:07,175 --> 01:14:09,976 And what are the things that you've kept 1138 01:14:09,977 --> 01:14:12,976 that remind you of the experience the last 20 years with the band? 1139 01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:15,979 l'm sure l've kept the least amount of things of anyone in the band. 1140 01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:18,984 How l've always justified that is, 1141 01:14:18,985 --> 01:14:21,152 one, l lose everything all the time. 1142 01:14:21,153 --> 01:14:23,355 So it comes naturally to me. 1143 01:14:23,356 --> 01:14:26,356 And two, Jeff Ament keeps so much, 1144 01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:30,359 and really, if all l have to do is just maintain 1145 01:14:31,429 --> 01:14:33,530 my good relationship with Jeff Ament, 1146 01:14:33,531 --> 01:14:35,164 l can always go over to his house 1147 01:14:35,165 --> 01:14:37,700 and look through all the stuff that he has, 1148 01:14:37,701 --> 01:14:40,701 and celebrate his keeping of the things. 1149 01:14:42,939 --> 01:14:45,939 Pearl Jam in Mexico City 1150 01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:50,809 memorial... These are some of the Mexico City coffee cups. 1151 01:14:51,847 --> 01:14:54,715 So that's a... lt's a little faded now. 1152 01:14:54,716 --> 01:14:57,715 Because you use it. 1153 01:15:00,287 --> 01:15:03,287 This one clearly needs to go back in the dishwasher. 1154 01:15:03,324 --> 01:15:04,858 Here's something. 1155 01:15:04,859 --> 01:15:06,859 Mike McCready just sent me this. 1156 01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:09,860 lt's the demos from Temple of the Dog. 1157 01:15:14,032 --> 01:15:15,733 l've got a few... 1158 01:15:15,734 --> 01:15:18,734 This is a box full of Pearl Jam ''Touring Band'' DVDs. 1159 01:15:20,872 --> 01:15:23,206 And that's 2000. 1160 01:15:23,207 --> 01:15:25,409 l don't know why they're still there. 1161 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:26,877 l haven't... l'm not sure... 1162 01:15:26,878 --> 01:15:29,412 And a few Pearl Jam CDs here, 1163 01:15:29,413 --> 01:15:31,881 the kind of stuff probably l had someone bring by 1164 01:15:31,882 --> 01:15:34,882 because l was trying to remember how to play some songs. 1165 01:15:36,218 --> 01:15:39,218 l don't know if there's anything else in here. 1166 01:15:39,622 --> 01:15:42,622 Let's see here. Yep, that might be it. 1167 01:15:44,426 --> 01:15:47,426 There might be something in the basement. 1168 01:15:49,397 --> 01:15:52,396 Lookit. There's a Grammy. 1169 01:15:53,567 --> 01:15:56,567 l knew this was gonna come in handy. 1170 01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:22,989 You can tell how l feel about the Grammys. 1171 01:16:29,798 --> 01:16:31,032 You know, at the Grammys, 1172 01:16:31,033 --> 01:16:33,234 l was having kind of a bad day. 1173 01:16:33,235 --> 01:16:34,635 l was getting thrown out by security people 1174 01:16:34,636 --> 01:16:36,103 for trying to sneak a cigarette in the backstage, 1175 01:16:36,104 --> 01:16:39,103 and you couldn't go out because of all the photographers there. 1176 01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:40,340 So that was part of it. 1177 01:16:40,341 --> 01:16:43,341 Spin the Black Circle, Pearl Jam. 1178 01:16:46,146 --> 01:16:47,580 l hate to start off with a bang. 1179 01:16:47,581 --> 01:16:49,248 l'm gonna say something typically me 1180 01:16:49,249 --> 01:16:51,317 on behalf of all of us. l don't know what this means. 1181 01:16:51,318 --> 01:16:54,317 l don't think it means anything. 1182 01:16:57,490 --> 01:17:00,489 That's just how l feel. 1183 01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,501 l remember arguing with tons of my friends, 1184 01:17:11,502 --> 01:17:12,969 because my friends were like, 1185 01:17:12,970 --> 01:17:14,504 ''Man, what the fuck was your boy doing? 1186 01:17:14,505 --> 01:17:15,904 ''Like, if he doesn't want to be there, 1187 01:17:15,905 --> 01:17:17,672 ''then he shouldn't be there,'' and kind of all this stuff. 1188 01:17:17,673 --> 01:17:19,140 And l was kind of like, ''Fuck you, man.'' 1189 01:17:19,141 --> 01:17:21,076 Like, what does it mean, you know? 1190 01:17:21,077 --> 01:17:22,244 Like, are you fucking kidding me? 1191 01:17:22,245 --> 01:17:25,244 You get an award for art? Like, that's just ridiculous. 1192 01:17:27,849 --> 01:17:30,848 Like, if l would have had the balls, l would have said the same thing. 1193 01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:40,526 l should have started a fight right there. 1194 01:17:40,527 --> 01:17:43,527 lt would have been much more exciting. 1195 01:17:48,534 --> 01:17:51,102 What would all these young people be doing 1196 01:17:51,103 --> 01:17:54,102 if they had real problems like a depression or Vietnam? 1197 01:17:55,006 --> 01:17:56,239 Do they work at all? 1198 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,707 Are they contributing anything 1199 01:17:57,708 --> 01:18:00,708 to the world they're taking so much from? 1200 01:18:20,194 --> 01:18:22,396 lt was kind of around the Ticketmaster tour. 1201 01:18:22,397 --> 01:18:25,396 The four of us, Jack, Stone, Jeff, and l were traveling in a jet. 1202 01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:30,336 Eddie was traveling in a van, doing a radio show, 1203 01:18:30,337 --> 01:18:33,336 and then driving all night to the next show. 1204 01:18:33,973 --> 01:18:36,041 So there was a huge physical disconnect, 1205 01:18:36,042 --> 01:18:37,809 but also an emotional one. 1206 01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:40,044 And nobody was kind of really talking. 1207 01:18:40,045 --> 01:18:42,146 He was trying to maintain something 1208 01:18:42,147 --> 01:18:45,147 that was more a Fugazi or do-it-yourself type mentality. 1209 01:18:47,052 --> 01:18:50,051 You know, and we loved them, but we weren't that band. 1210 01:18:52,389 --> 01:18:54,591 We needed to sit down with him and go, ''Look, 1211 01:18:54,592 --> 01:18:56,592 ''are you embarrassed by us? 1212 01:18:56,593 --> 01:18:59,593 ''Do you want to be in the band anymore?'' 1213 01:19:00,263 --> 01:19:02,897 We thought we were going to break up essentially. 1214 01:19:02,898 --> 01:19:05,898 l thought... l thought that was going to happen. 1215 01:19:10,404 --> 01:19:13,404 And we all agreed we needed to take some time off and figure it out. 1216 01:19:17,945 --> 01:19:20,613 That's highway 200, and we're like right... 1217 01:19:20,614 --> 01:19:23,248 We just passed Ovando. 1218 01:19:23,249 --> 01:19:25,683 We're headed towards Lincoln. 1219 01:19:25,684 --> 01:19:27,619 And then we just keep going to the northeast. 1220 01:19:27,620 --> 01:19:30,254 That's the spot right there, Big Sandy. 1221 01:19:30,255 --> 01:19:32,957 That's your hometown? 1222 01:19:32,958 --> 01:19:35,957 This is the middle of nowhere, man. 1223 01:19:42,065 --> 01:19:44,100 l was sort of pissed off at my parents 1224 01:19:44,101 --> 01:19:47,101 for making me live in this desolate... 1225 01:19:47,571 --> 01:19:49,904 l mean, l was hundreds of miles away 1226 01:19:49,905 --> 01:19:52,905 from anybody that l could even relate to. 1227 01:19:57,345 --> 01:19:58,946 l was ready to leave at about 14. 1228 01:19:58,947 --> 01:20:00,280 A couple trips to California, 1229 01:20:00,281 --> 01:20:03,281 like, really fucked me up. 1230 01:20:05,819 --> 01:20:07,820 My mom's brother, my uncle Pat, 1231 01:20:07,821 --> 01:20:09,422 he had long hair, 1232 01:20:09,423 --> 01:20:11,990 and he had tapestries up in his room, 1233 01:20:11,991 --> 01:20:13,659 and he'd put the headphones on me, 1234 01:20:13,660 --> 01:20:15,661 and he'd play, like, Abraxas by Santana, 1235 01:20:15,662 --> 01:20:18,662 and it would just blow my mind. 1236 01:20:20,599 --> 01:20:23,599 l remember just getting, like, a huge buzz off of it, like, 1237 01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:26,669 and getting, like, kind of emotional. 1238 01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:32,342 And l would go out and try to look for records. 1239 01:20:32,343 --> 01:20:35,310 lt was really hard to find. There was no record store in our town. 1240 01:20:35,311 --> 01:20:37,680 So l started subscribing to Circus and Cream magazine, 1241 01:20:37,681 --> 01:20:40,015 and my uncle got Rolling Stone magazine. 1242 01:20:40,016 --> 01:20:43,015 And l mean, you'd study that stuff. 1243 01:20:45,087 --> 01:20:48,056 ln a lot of those punk-rock records, you could really hear bass, you know. 1244 01:20:48,057 --> 01:20:50,057 You could fucking hear Dee Dee on those Ramones records. 1245 01:20:50,058 --> 01:20:52,392 You know, he was on the right side, and Johnny was on the left side. 1246 01:20:52,393 --> 01:20:53,560 So if you were trying to learn the songs, 1247 01:20:53,561 --> 01:20:55,862 you could just turn the dial over to the right side 1248 01:20:55,863 --> 01:20:58,862 and learn all of Dee Dee's parts. 1249 01:21:01,802 --> 01:21:03,669 l moved to Seattle in 1983, 1250 01:21:03,670 --> 01:21:05,904 and l think all l wanted to do up to that point 1251 01:21:05,905 --> 01:21:07,172 was to live in a bigger city 1252 01:21:07,173 --> 01:21:10,041 where there was more like-minded people 1253 01:21:10,042 --> 01:21:13,041 and more culture and a punk-rock show, 1254 01:21:13,078 --> 01:21:15,045 if l wanted to go see a cool movie. 1255 01:21:15,046 --> 01:21:16,513 There were all these... You know, ''Eraserhead.'' 1256 01:21:16,514 --> 01:21:18,115 l was hearing about all these movies 1257 01:21:18,116 --> 01:21:21,115 that l never got a chance to see. 1258 01:21:24,722 --> 01:21:27,390 l don't know if it was the first contact, it must have been, 1259 01:21:27,391 --> 01:21:30,292 was from Jeff, 1260 01:21:30,293 --> 01:21:33,293 and l do remember there being a... 1261 01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:35,931 A real connection made on the phone, 1262 01:21:35,932 --> 01:21:38,931 and talking about artwork, how he was into artwork, 1263 01:21:39,568 --> 01:21:41,936 and your responsibilities as a band member 1264 01:21:41,937 --> 01:21:44,936 or working with people that get that it's not a slacker job, 1265 01:21:45,973 --> 01:21:48,973 or it's not a rock star thing, or it's not... 1266 01:21:49,477 --> 01:21:51,376 lt's about music. lt's about art. 1267 01:21:51,377 --> 01:21:53,612 lt's about... We had all these things in common, 1268 01:21:53,613 --> 01:21:56,613 which is probably why we ended up roommates 1269 01:21:57,383 --> 01:21:59,217 when we first started touring. 1270 01:21:59,218 --> 01:22:02,218 l think that we just connected and became really close. 1271 01:22:11,963 --> 01:22:14,962 lt's amazing now to look back. 1272 01:22:26,575 --> 01:22:28,676 l remember when Ed first came to town. 1273 01:22:28,677 --> 01:22:29,877 lt seemed like it was something 1274 01:22:29,878 --> 01:22:32,379 that he had been kind of waiting for his whole life, 1275 01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:34,114 and it was obvious within the first few minutes 1276 01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:37,115 that it was something that l'd been waiting for also. 1277 01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:56,801 l think it would be a very easy band 1278 01:22:56,802 --> 01:22:58,869 in some ways for us not to be a band, 1279 01:22:58,870 --> 01:23:01,271 and nobody can really kind of put a finger on what it is 1280 01:23:01,272 --> 01:23:03,807 that, you know, kind of keeps us coming back together, 1281 01:23:03,808 --> 01:23:06,808 but it's a strange marriage. 1282 01:23:19,021 --> 01:23:22,021 l met Mike McCready when l was in seventh grade. 1283 01:23:22,391 --> 01:23:24,891 He was good. You know, he played solos 1284 01:23:24,892 --> 01:23:27,360 and had a whammy bar and, like, could do the... 1285 01:23:27,361 --> 01:23:28,595 And all this stuff. 1286 01:23:28,596 --> 01:23:30,297 l had lived in Los Angeles, 1287 01:23:30,298 --> 01:23:32,832 trying to make it in my band Shadow in 1986 for a year, 1288 01:23:32,833 --> 01:23:35,000 and l paid to play, paid to play at The Roxy, 1289 01:23:35,001 --> 01:23:38,001 $700 on a Sunday night in December. And there was five people there. 1290 01:23:43,342 --> 01:23:45,677 So l struggled and went through that, 1291 01:23:45,678 --> 01:23:48,111 and l gave up playing music for a little while, 1292 01:23:48,112 --> 01:23:51,112 moved back to Seattle and said, ''l can't. l'm done.'' 1293 01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:55,049 And then, lo and behold, l get a call out of the blue from Stone. 1294 01:23:55,152 --> 01:23:56,953 l got to see him play at a party one night 1295 01:23:56,954 --> 01:23:58,654 when he was just sitting around 1296 01:23:58,655 --> 01:24:00,323 and playing lead guitar with somebody 1297 01:24:00,324 --> 01:24:03,258 and was just, in the way that he does, unconsciously, 1298 01:24:03,259 --> 01:24:06,259 giving you these jolts. 1299 01:24:30,483 --> 01:24:33,217 He's channeling stuff that sounds like 1300 01:24:33,218 --> 01:24:35,219 it's coming from the fucking heavens, 1301 01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:37,221 but l think it's coming from inside. 1302 01:24:37,222 --> 01:24:40,221 There's something spiritual about the way he plays. 1303 01:24:45,930 --> 01:24:48,929 And that's when he's in tune with the good stuff, you know. 1304 01:25:01,076 --> 01:25:04,075 As you know, the song Reach Down, which was the second song l wrote 1305 01:25:04,245 --> 01:25:06,013 for the Temple of the Dog record, 1306 01:25:06,014 --> 01:25:09,014 l wanted it to be sort of like a Neil Young, 1307 01:25:09,918 --> 01:25:11,083 ''Fuck you to the world of people 1308 01:25:11,084 --> 01:25:12,385 ''who don't want to hear a guitar solo. 1309 01:25:12,386 --> 01:25:15,386 ''l'm gonna make an 1 1 or 1 2-minute song that's mostly guitar solo, 1310 01:25:15,555 --> 01:25:16,923 ''and that's gonna be the first song on the album, 1311 01:25:16,924 --> 01:25:18,324 ''and you can fuck off.'' 1312 01:25:18,325 --> 01:25:20,258 When l heard Cready play guitar, 1313 01:25:20,259 --> 01:25:22,394 l was like, ''We're gonna pull it off for real. 1314 01:25:22,395 --> 01:25:24,396 ''This isn't gonna be a joke. He can actually fucking play.'' 1315 01:25:24,397 --> 01:25:25,730 Because l couldn't. 1316 01:25:25,731 --> 01:25:28,399 He went out of his mind. 1317 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,400 this guy's a... he's a fucking rock star. 1318 01:25:31,736 --> 01:25:33,370 Like, he's got problems, 1319 01:25:33,371 --> 01:25:35,939 and we just thought he was a nice little kid. 1320 01:25:35,940 --> 01:25:38,940 And he's got something in there, like, he's infected, 1321 01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:42,409 and that's gonna come out again somewhere. Good luck, guys. 1322 01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:45,414 He knows me. That's... 1323 01:25:45,415 --> 01:25:48,415 l would say that's 100 accurate. 1324 01:26:08,134 --> 01:26:10,970 Eddie said, ''Ask Mike about the drummers.'' 1325 01:26:10,971 --> 01:26:12,437 Ask me about the drummers? 1326 01:26:12,438 --> 01:26:15,438 Yeah. He says, ''Mike will give you the drummers rap.'' 1327 01:26:17,242 --> 01:26:19,710 Here we go. 1328 01:26:19,711 --> 01:26:21,912 We started out with Dave Krusen. lt didn't work out. 1329 01:26:21,913 --> 01:26:24,147 Matt Chamberlain, he didn't want to go on the road. 1330 01:26:24,148 --> 01:26:25,382 He knew of a drummer named Dave Abbruzzese. 1331 01:26:25,383 --> 01:26:28,382 lt's very Spinal Tap of us to have this many drummers. 1332 01:26:29,152 --> 01:26:30,353 Jack lrons. 1333 01:26:30,354 --> 01:26:31,787 -Good drummer. -Great look. Good drummer. 1334 01:26:31,788 --> 01:26:34,788 Jack was the guy that gave the tape that he got from Stone to Ed. 1335 01:26:34,791 --> 01:26:36,324 Ed wanted to repay that favor 1336 01:26:36,325 --> 01:26:38,159 and say, ''Hey, you want to come and try out?'' 1337 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,328 And we toured with him after we did Yield, 1338 01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:41,529 and he played on that whole record. 1339 01:26:41,530 --> 01:26:44,131 That's when it was starting to get too much for Jack. 1340 01:26:44,132 --> 01:26:46,033 He called up and said that he couldn't tour. 1341 01:26:46,034 --> 01:26:47,201 We already had a tour booked. 1342 01:26:47,202 --> 01:26:50,202 Who can we call that can do that? Matt Cameron. 1343 01:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,473 Soundgarden had broken up, so Ed called him. 1344 01:26:53,474 --> 01:26:54,807 Eddie, what's going on? 1345 01:26:54,808 --> 01:26:56,342 And he's like, ''Hey, what are you doing this summer?'' 1346 01:26:56,343 --> 01:26:57,643 Nothing. 1347 01:26:57,644 --> 01:26:59,478 We need to leave in three weeks. 1348 01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,479 -ln 10 days, he learned 80 songs. -They had a list of, like, 60 or 70. 1349 01:27:02,482 --> 01:27:03,648 Something crazy like that. 1350 01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:05,484 l would just sort of, like, close my eyes, 1351 01:27:05,485 --> 01:27:07,018 and l'd go like that, and it was like, 1352 01:27:07,019 --> 01:27:10,019 ''Okay, do l know that song?'' lt's like, ''No!'' 1353 01:27:10,389 --> 01:27:13,388 Matt Cameron made us a better band than we've ever been. 1354 01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:21,663 When we'd... We'd have to switch, 1355 01:27:21,664 --> 01:27:23,665 let's say, a drummer or something, 1356 01:27:23,666 --> 01:27:25,367 you do it out of survival mode. 1357 01:27:25,368 --> 01:27:27,536 lt's just like removing an organ. 1358 01:27:27,537 --> 01:27:29,504 And when you remove, like, the drummer, 1359 01:27:29,505 --> 01:27:31,572 you're removing, like, the heart. 1360 01:27:31,573 --> 01:27:34,573 So it's like you had a heart transplant. 1361 01:27:51,224 --> 01:27:54,059 Binaural is a dark time for me for sure, 1362 01:27:54,060 --> 01:27:55,693 because l had my Crohn's. l have Crohn's disease. 1363 01:27:55,694 --> 01:27:57,228 l was struggling with that, 1364 01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:59,230 struggling with addiction. 1365 01:27:59,231 --> 01:28:02,066 l was taking pills to take care of that, 1366 01:28:02,067 --> 01:28:04,201 and then that got out of hand. 1367 01:28:04,202 --> 01:28:07,201 For me, it was a struggle, for sure. 1368 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,141 ln the early years, we had those transcendent shows 1369 01:28:12,142 --> 01:28:14,410 where it was just like everybody was drunk, 1370 01:28:14,411 --> 01:28:16,711 and it was just the ''lose your mind'' shows. 1371 01:28:16,712 --> 01:28:18,413 Everybody lose your mind at once, you know. 1372 01:28:18,414 --> 01:28:20,315 lt was harder to lose your mind at that point 1373 01:28:20,316 --> 01:28:23,084 because everyone was more like, ''l'm 32. 1374 01:28:23,085 --> 01:28:25,553 ''You know, we've got some records out. 1375 01:28:25,554 --> 01:28:28,089 ''l've got this relationship, or you know...'' 1376 01:28:28,090 --> 01:28:29,590 We just became more self-conscious 1377 01:28:29,591 --> 01:28:32,492 and more aware as you do as you're an adult, 1378 01:28:32,493 --> 01:28:35,095 but it's more difficult to kind of go, ''Okay. 1379 01:28:35,096 --> 01:28:38,095 ''We got to just go out and get crazy.'' 1380 01:28:39,899 --> 01:28:42,267 And around this time, l think we were... 1381 01:28:42,268 --> 01:28:44,269 You know, we were less popular. 1382 01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:46,270 l don't think we were doing any press. 1383 01:28:46,271 --> 01:28:47,905 We'd have meetings about those things. 1384 01:28:47,906 --> 01:28:50,274 lt's like, ''How far are we gonna do press on this tour? 1385 01:28:50,275 --> 01:28:51,976 ''Are we gonna do this? Are we gonna do that? 1386 01:28:51,977 --> 01:28:53,743 ''Or are we not going to do any of it?'' 1387 01:28:53,744 --> 01:28:56,744 And when you don't do any of it and the changing times, 1388 01:28:56,747 --> 01:28:59,747 you know, you fluctuate, people get over you, you know. 1389 01:28:59,750 --> 01:29:02,585 That's probably around that time Binaural is. 1390 01:29:02,586 --> 01:29:04,954 Maybe people were like, ''Okay. We're kind of over these guys. 1391 01:29:04,955 --> 01:29:07,955 ''What's next?'' you know. 1392 01:29:13,329 --> 01:29:15,763 But some people stayed with us 1393 01:29:15,764 --> 01:29:18,763 because we stayed true to whatever our vision was. 1394 01:29:25,372 --> 01:29:28,372 How important is commercial success to you? 1395 01:29:29,409 --> 01:29:32,408 Does grunge still exist today? 1396 01:29:49,293 --> 01:29:52,293 How did the second 10 years happen? 1397 01:29:53,531 --> 01:29:55,998 You did survive. 1398 01:29:55,999 --> 01:29:58,999 And what are the turning points to you? 1399 01:30:01,171 --> 01:30:03,504 Change your position. Moving back. 1400 01:30:03,505 --> 01:30:06,505 We still have a problem here. 1401 01:30:06,508 --> 01:30:09,410 lt's one of Europe's worst concert tragedies. 1402 01:30:09,411 --> 01:30:10,977 The band had stopped playing just before the incident. 1403 01:30:10,978 --> 01:30:13,978 Deadly trouble in the shape of a crowd 40,000 to 50,000 strong. 1404 01:30:15,917 --> 01:30:18,916 There has been a lot of pushing and pressure up here, 1405 01:30:19,019 --> 01:30:22,019 and 10 to 15 people have been badly hurt. 1406 01:30:22,355 --> 01:30:24,523 We don't know how bad yet. 1407 01:30:24,524 --> 01:30:26,658 Tragedy occurred in the rain and mud 1408 01:30:26,659 --> 01:30:29,659 late Friday night at the annual ''Roskilde Rock Festival'' 1409 01:30:30,362 --> 01:30:32,664 outside the Danish capital, Copenhagen, 1410 01:30:32,664 --> 01:30:35,664 when rock fans surged forward during a performance 1411 01:30:36,367 --> 01:30:39,367 by the American group Pearl Jam. 1412 01:30:45,175 --> 01:30:47,043 Fans at the outdoor rock concert 1413 01:30:47,044 --> 01:30:48,777 packed closer and closer to the stage, 1414 01:30:48,778 --> 01:30:51,778 ending in a crush that killed nine people and injured three more. 1415 01:30:57,018 --> 01:31:00,018 l just wanted to get out of there. 1416 01:31:00,422 --> 01:31:03,421 l just didn't want it to be true. 1417 01:31:04,291 --> 01:31:05,692 lt was happening right in front of us, 1418 01:31:05,693 --> 01:31:08,693 but l just didn't want it to be true. 1419 01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:19,034 And something as horrific and as shocking 1420 01:31:20,706 --> 01:31:22,406 as people being pulled over the barricade 1421 01:31:22,407 --> 01:31:24,041 that aren't alive anymore, 1422 01:31:24,042 --> 01:31:27,041 what the impact of that was on us 1423 01:31:27,178 --> 01:31:30,178 is, you know, it will never really go away. 1424 01:31:31,048 --> 01:31:34,047 From that point on, we rethought everything. 1425 01:31:42,725 --> 01:31:44,425 l didn't know what l was feeling, you know. 1426 01:31:44,426 --> 01:31:47,426 l think l had such an onslaught of confusion that... 1427 01:31:48,998 --> 01:31:50,897 l mean, the last time that l felt like that 1428 01:31:50,898 --> 01:31:52,599 was when Andy Wood died, and... 1429 01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,600 l didn't know if l wanted to play music anymore. 1430 01:32:23,460 --> 01:32:26,095 You know, l think we kind of quantify everything that's happened to us 1431 01:32:26,096 --> 01:32:29,095 as pre ''Roskilde'' and after ''Roskilde,'' and... 1432 01:32:32,468 --> 01:32:35,467 You know, if early on there was the birth or the beginning of ''No,'' 1433 01:32:37,306 --> 01:32:40,306 for us Roskilde was the beginning of ''What?'' 1434 01:32:41,710 --> 01:32:43,777 What are we doing? 1435 01:32:43,778 --> 01:32:46,778 What do we do to assist the families? 1436 01:32:47,381 --> 01:32:49,316 And what have we become? 1437 01:32:49,317 --> 01:32:52,316 And what do we... What do we do to survive? 1438 01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:58,654 l think even since Roskilde in 2000, 1439 01:32:59,792 --> 01:33:02,792 l think that made everybody get into a real unique perspective 1440 01:33:03,996 --> 01:33:06,995 on where we were at and how fragile life is, 1441 01:33:07,932 --> 01:33:09,666 and l think ever since then, every once in a while, 1442 01:33:09,667 --> 01:33:12,667 we'll just say to one another, like, ''Can you believe it? 1443 01:33:12,970 --> 01:33:15,969 ''Can you believe we're still doing this?'' 1444 01:33:21,144 --> 01:33:23,678 When l interviewed the band in 1993 1445 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:26,679 for Rolling Stone magazine, l asked Eddie Vedder 1446 01:33:26,682 --> 01:33:28,149 if there was an Andy Wood song 1447 01:33:28,150 --> 01:33:30,451 he would ever be interested in singing. 1448 01:33:30,452 --> 01:33:33,452 He said there was one and one day he would sing it. 1449 01:33:35,757 --> 01:33:38,756 On the band's 10th anniversary show in Las Vegas, 1450 01:33:39,193 --> 01:33:42,193 he announced to the group that he wanted to sing Crown of Thorns, 1451 01:33:42,363 --> 01:33:45,163 one of Mother Love Bone's greatest songs. 1452 01:33:45,164 --> 01:33:48,164 And in that moment, the two bands united. 1453 01:33:50,236 --> 01:33:52,370 We wouldn't... 1454 01:33:52,371 --> 01:33:55,371 We wouldn't mind attempting something 1455 01:33:55,374 --> 01:33:58,374 that's even older than 10 years. 1456 01:34:35,575 --> 01:34:38,574 For Ed to kind of acknowledge the past and sort of say, 1457 01:34:38,744 --> 01:34:40,211 ''Yeah, this is part of where we came from,'' 1458 01:34:40,212 --> 01:34:42,947 and that he would be generous to Jeff and l and say, ''Yeah, of course.'' 1459 01:34:42,948 --> 01:34:45,947 That was another huge, huge gift. 1460 01:34:51,423 --> 01:34:54,123 l used to think of Andy all the time, 1461 01:34:54,124 --> 01:34:56,125 especially when the band got bigger, 1462 01:34:56,126 --> 01:34:57,827 because l used to think, 1463 01:34:57,828 --> 01:35:00,430 ''He would have loved to play this place. 1464 01:35:00,431 --> 01:35:02,431 ''He would have loved to play this place. 1465 01:35:02,432 --> 01:35:05,432 ''He'd love to play The Garden.'' 1466 01:35:05,668 --> 01:35:08,667 He would have tore this shit up. 1467 01:35:58,981 --> 01:36:01,249 And l wrote down on this paper ''Andy and Ed,'' 1468 01:36:01,250 --> 01:36:03,484 just because l think about Andy all the time, 1469 01:36:03,485 --> 01:36:05,319 and in the creative process, l always think about 1470 01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,255 how lucky l am to still be able to, like, you know, 1471 01:36:08,256 --> 01:36:11,255 go in my basement or, like, pick up a guitar and, like, write a song 1472 01:36:11,558 --> 01:36:13,125 and then manifest it if l want, 1473 01:36:13,126 --> 01:36:16,126 figure out how to, like, record it or whatever, and that... 1474 01:36:16,630 --> 01:36:18,864 That's kind of all he ever hoped for, 1475 01:36:18,865 --> 01:36:20,832 is just somebody that would just record him 1476 01:36:20,833 --> 01:36:22,834 and, like, some group of guys that would just, you know, 1477 01:36:22,835 --> 01:36:25,834 play these songs for him or whatever, and l... 1478 01:36:26,371 --> 01:36:29,371 l wish that we could go back in time and be the band for him. 1479 01:36:53,996 --> 01:36:56,995 He was playing in those places in his head... 1480 01:36:59,834 --> 01:37:01,167 ...for a long time. 1481 01:37:01,168 --> 01:37:04,167 So the thing is, is he got to play them. 1482 01:37:15,548 --> 01:37:18,548 Andy. 1483 01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:51,444 We played a show in Nassau. 1484 01:37:51,445 --> 01:37:54,080 l would say three-quarters of the crowd fucking booed us. 1485 01:37:54,081 --> 01:37:56,583 lt actually really bummed some of the band out. 1486 01:37:56,584 --> 01:37:59,583 They were just, like, ''l never want to play that song again.'' 1487 01:38:00,753 --> 01:38:03,753 l actually fucking dug it. lt was art. 1488 01:38:10,696 --> 01:38:13,163 l remember there was a fireman in the front row, 1489 01:38:13,164 --> 01:38:14,798 and he was, like, showing me his badge. 1490 01:38:14,799 --> 01:38:17,267 Fuck you, asshole! 1491 01:38:17,268 --> 01:38:19,603 lt was just a bad time in American history in my mind, 1492 01:38:19,604 --> 01:38:22,603 and we were trying to say what we thought. 1493 01:38:27,043 --> 01:38:29,444 When you know the crowd has turned 1494 01:38:29,445 --> 01:38:30,945 and there are that many people, 1495 01:38:30,946 --> 01:38:33,946 it just feels like you might not make it out of there alive. 1496 01:38:39,787 --> 01:38:41,855 That was Ed really trusting his instincts 1497 01:38:41,856 --> 01:38:44,855 about a very specific thing that he needed to say, 1498 01:38:45,025 --> 01:38:48,025 and he wanted to do it in a way that was antagonistic. 1499 01:38:53,299 --> 01:38:55,634 l think if you have the opportunity, 1500 01:38:55,635 --> 01:38:58,635 you have to... You have to take on that responsibility. 1501 01:39:28,463 --> 01:39:31,131 You didn't like that one. 1502 01:39:31,132 --> 01:39:33,566 lt's great to be in a band 1503 01:39:33,567 --> 01:39:35,468 where, you know, we're not afraid to do that, 1504 01:39:35,469 --> 01:39:38,303 not afraid to speak our minds 1505 01:39:38,304 --> 01:39:41,304 and get booed once in a while. lt's all right. 1506 01:39:44,277 --> 01:39:46,244 lt was an uncertain time for Pearl Jam, 1507 01:39:46,245 --> 01:39:49,245 a period when many bands quietly break up and move on. 1508 01:39:49,448 --> 01:39:51,315 But from the beginning, Stone and Jeff 1509 01:39:51,316 --> 01:39:53,150 had always wanted a band that would last, 1510 01:39:53,151 --> 01:39:56,019 one that would keep writing and recording music, 1511 01:39:56,020 --> 01:39:58,989 and that's what Pearl Jam did. 1512 01:39:58,990 --> 01:40:01,490 Show by show, they became 1513 01:40:01,491 --> 01:40:04,491 one of the most dependably unpredictable bands in rock. 1514 01:40:06,897 --> 01:40:09,896 Ed has a feeling pretty much everywhere that we play, 1515 01:40:11,233 --> 01:40:13,034 and it's such a great gauge of, you know, 1516 01:40:13,035 --> 01:40:15,536 how the crowd's feeling, and that's, a lot of times, 1517 01:40:15,537 --> 01:40:17,337 why the set list doesn't get done until... 1518 01:40:17,338 --> 01:40:20,338 l mean, oftentimes, it's done 10 minutes before we play. 1519 01:40:20,875 --> 01:40:23,176 As difficult as it was at different times, 1520 01:40:23,177 --> 01:40:26,177 where you're like, ''We can go out and kill this crowd. 1521 01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:27,814 ''We can go out and kill them right now. 1522 01:40:27,815 --> 01:40:29,515 ''Let's just start out with these five songs.'' 1523 01:40:29,516 --> 01:40:32,484 And you know... ''Yeah. No. We're gonna go on, 1524 01:40:32,485 --> 01:40:35,485 ''we're gonna play this one to start out with.'' 1525 01:40:38,091 --> 01:40:40,524 ''We haven't played this one together, but let's... 1526 01:40:40,525 --> 01:40:42,893 ''We'll work it out backstage. lt'll be fine.'' 1527 01:40:42,894 --> 01:40:44,729 And inevitably, you're so nervous 1528 01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:46,062 that you go out there and fumble it, 1529 01:40:46,063 --> 01:40:48,198 and then you're like, ''God! Let me just... 1530 01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:51,199 ''Let's play a hit, you know.'' 1531 01:40:55,371 --> 01:40:58,371 You know, it would be a lot easier to play a similar set every night. 1532 01:40:58,408 --> 01:41:00,909 lt would just be so much easier, 1533 01:41:00,910 --> 01:41:03,909 and yet we can't find it in ourselves to do that. 1534 01:41:15,757 --> 01:41:18,424 That's why you see Pearl Jam. 1535 01:41:18,425 --> 01:41:20,760 lt's fucking different every night. 1536 01:41:20,761 --> 01:41:23,761 Every night it's different. 1537 01:41:26,265 --> 01:41:29,100 lt's funny, but lots of those decisions we made, 1538 01:41:29,101 --> 01:41:31,770 it took 10 years to see why they were good. 1539 01:41:31,771 --> 01:41:33,237 ln that regard, you know, 1540 01:41:33,238 --> 01:41:34,938 mixing our set list up every night, 1541 01:41:34,939 --> 01:41:36,640 it's the greatest blessing we could have ever done. 1542 01:41:36,641 --> 01:41:39,641 The door is so open for us to be who we are every night 1543 01:41:40,944 --> 01:41:43,944 that we just trust it. 1544 01:41:58,226 --> 01:42:00,127 You know, l think that all of us 1545 01:42:00,128 --> 01:42:01,796 have been totally influenced by the seventies. 1546 01:42:01,797 --> 01:42:04,197 We're all, like, products of it, but yet we're not, like, stuck in it. 1547 01:42:04,198 --> 01:42:07,198 Our classic guitar heroes, you know, like Hendrix for Mike 1548 01:42:07,468 --> 01:42:08,902 and, like, Jimmy Page for me, 1549 01:42:08,903 --> 01:42:11,270 and, like, for Eddie, it's like he totally loved The Who. 1550 01:42:11,271 --> 01:42:12,971 The Who was the greatest rock band ever. 1551 01:42:12,972 --> 01:42:14,973 lt's like all these bands, so in a sense, 1552 01:42:14,974 --> 01:42:17,974 it's a total tribute to the seventies. 1553 01:42:40,030 --> 01:42:43,029 Roger Daltrey wrote me a letter saying would l like to come play, 1554 01:42:43,499 --> 01:42:46,499 and l told him no way, because that's it. 1555 01:42:46,702 --> 01:42:48,836 That's the ultimate. That's the pinnacle for me, 1556 01:42:48,837 --> 01:42:50,170 is that band, you know, 1557 01:42:50,171 --> 01:42:53,171 that arrow on the mod sign, you know. 1558 01:42:54,008 --> 01:42:57,007 We have to decide whether or not we're going to remain a circus act. 1559 01:42:58,679 --> 01:43:00,479 ln other words, doing what everybody 1560 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,480 knows we can do and what we know we can do. Right? 1561 01:43:04,083 --> 01:43:07,083 Until the band eventually turns into a cabaret act, 1562 01:43:07,286 --> 01:43:09,521 -which is inevitable. -No, that's ridiculous! 1563 01:43:09,522 --> 01:43:12,189 Here's me and Johnny Ramone. l'm wearing a Bob Dole mask. 1564 01:43:12,190 --> 01:43:13,290 Uncle Neil. 1565 01:43:13,291 --> 01:43:15,326 This is me and Joe Strummer. 1566 01:43:15,327 --> 01:43:17,061 And that's the night l met Jack lrons. 1567 01:43:17,062 --> 01:43:18,495 This was hanging in a dressing room. 1568 01:43:18,496 --> 01:43:21,197 lt was actually the first night l had met Pete. 1569 01:43:21,198 --> 01:43:22,465 l was terrified. 1570 01:43:22,466 --> 01:43:24,667 And the first thing he said was, 1571 01:43:24,668 --> 01:43:27,667 ''l've waited so long to meet you.'' 1572 01:43:40,849 --> 01:43:43,848 Now we're just grateful for our band and who we are 1573 01:43:44,218 --> 01:43:46,953 and what we've become, 1574 01:43:46,954 --> 01:43:49,954 and grateful that we finally figured out how to do it. 1575 01:43:52,058 --> 01:43:53,659 l think that there was a huge element 1576 01:43:53,660 --> 01:43:56,495 of our fans that just kind of carried us 1577 01:43:56,496 --> 01:43:59,495 through a period of time where we were not there all the way. 1578 01:44:00,132 --> 01:44:02,901 You see their belief, and even when you don't have it, 1579 01:44:02,902 --> 01:44:05,901 you go, ''Okay. l've got to figure this out.'' 1580 01:44:10,074 --> 01:44:12,776 Joining the band, l was super impressed 1581 01:44:12,777 --> 01:44:14,543 with how in-house everything is. 1582 01:44:14,544 --> 01:44:17,544 Like, there's no outside influence going on, you know. 1583 01:44:17,915 --> 01:44:19,916 lt's like it all comes from the band. 1584 01:44:19,917 --> 01:44:22,916 They saved me in a certain way. 1585 01:44:35,263 --> 01:44:38,262 You know, we've been doing it for 10 records or 20 years, 1586 01:44:38,933 --> 01:44:41,067 and l can't think of a show where l ever felt 1587 01:44:41,068 --> 01:44:44,067 like l was just phoning it in. 1588 01:44:44,103 --> 01:44:47,103 lt's always pure stoke, you know, like... 1589 01:44:53,946 --> 01:44:56,580 l think that there really is, like, 1590 01:44:56,581 --> 01:44:59,580 a collective understanding of how lucky and how fortunate we are 1591 01:45:00,952 --> 01:45:03,286 to still be playing music with the same group of people. 1592 01:45:03,287 --> 01:45:04,955 l mean, everybody, you can feel it, 1593 01:45:04,956 --> 01:45:07,955 and it makes being in a band a joy. 1594 01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:31,608 There's a... This communal exchange. 1595 01:45:32,446 --> 01:45:34,313 And there's obviously a line drawn 1596 01:45:34,314 --> 01:45:36,315 between who's on stage and who's in the crowd, 1597 01:45:36,316 --> 01:45:39,315 but not really. 1598 01:48:26,730 --> 01:48:29,465 l fucking loved it. We were two rows from the front. 1599 01:48:29,466 --> 01:48:31,067 lt was fucking incredible. 1600 01:48:31,068 --> 01:48:32,802 -This was my fifth show. -24. 1601 01:48:32,803 --> 01:48:34,402 -61 . -54. 1602 01:48:34,403 --> 01:48:37,403 153. 1603 01:48:38,875 --> 01:48:40,475 Pearl Jam are a band for the fans. 1604 01:48:40,476 --> 01:48:42,476 ''lf you love us, stick with us,'' 1605 01:48:42,477 --> 01:48:43,911 and we've stuck with them all the way, 1606 01:48:43,912 --> 01:48:46,480 because what we get out of them is overwhelming. 1607 01:48:46,481 --> 01:48:48,616 These guys flew from Bucharest this morning. 1608 01:48:48,617 --> 01:48:49,716 Budapest. 1609 01:48:49,717 --> 01:48:50,984 We came from Denver. 1610 01:48:50,985 --> 01:48:52,352 -Townsville, Australia. -London, England. 1611 01:48:52,353 --> 01:48:53,620 Took two weeks off from my job, 1612 01:48:53,621 --> 01:48:56,621 and traveled to nine shows in a row last tour. 1613 01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:07,298 There's not another band like them. 1614 01:49:07,299 --> 01:49:09,500 Everybody rode the whole crest of a wave with Ten, 1615 01:49:09,501 --> 01:49:11,435 and it was just the thing to be into, 1616 01:49:11,436 --> 01:49:13,170 but after that, they've come out a lot stronger, 1617 01:49:13,171 --> 01:49:14,271 because they didn't play the game. 1618 01:49:14,272 --> 01:49:16,706 They took on Ticketmaster. They were pissed off 1619 01:49:16,707 --> 01:49:17,807 that people were getting ripped off, 1620 01:49:17,808 --> 01:49:18,775 and they took on the man, 1621 01:49:18,776 --> 01:49:21,775 and they could have lost, but they didn't. 1622 01:49:23,713 --> 01:49:26,713 l think this band is really only beginning. 1623 01:53:46,409 --> 01:53:47,509 There was a rumor 1624 01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:49,109 that it was sort of gonna be like The Kids Are Alright. 1625 01:53:49,110 --> 01:53:52,110 That would be a misconception, because The Kids Are Alright 1626 01:53:52,747 --> 01:53:55,215 is really super genius, 1627 01:53:55,216 --> 01:53:58,215 and what we're gonna put out is gonna be really super us. 1628 01:54:05,525 --> 01:54:08,525 Hey, Josh. How's it going? 1629 01:54:09,429 --> 01:54:12,428 Fuck you, Kevin. 1630 01:54:15,634 --> 01:54:17,468 They stay true to fans as well, 1631 01:54:17,469 --> 01:54:19,068 about them releasing the bootlegs of their albums 1632 01:54:19,069 --> 01:54:21,771 so that other people can't bootleg them and make a sly penny off it, 1633 01:54:21,772 --> 01:54:24,772 and that's clever shit. 1634 01:54:39,621 --> 01:54:41,922 We're not filming this conversation, are we? 1635 01:54:41,923 --> 01:54:44,923 Yes, we are. 1636 01:55:06,911 --> 01:55:09,911 Now you're back. Why do you keep doing it? 1637 01:55:29,965 --> 01:55:31,499 l don't know whether they realize 1638 01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:34,500 exactly how much they have given to us, the fans. 131388

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