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Narrator: Previously
on "Hunting Hitler"...
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So, this is
from June 12, 1945.
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Look at this line.
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"At this time,
the decision had been taken
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to divide the ministries
in two parts
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and establish one government
in the north
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and one in the south."
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They're splitting up.
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We have to look
at both routes.
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Holland:
Counterfeit money?
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So, they hid it with the
intention of coming back for it.
Yes.
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This was the dead drop
for the escaping Nazis.
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Was Narvik the staging point
to send heavy water to Argentina
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to make a nuclear bomb
to create the Fourth Reich?
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Narrator: Along Hitler's
potential northern escape route
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in Narvik, Norway,
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U.S. Army Special Forces
Tim Kennedy
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has made a massive discovery
that could change
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the course of the investigation.
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Sunken Nazi vessels
in the same area
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where eyewitnesses and
a declassified U.S. Army file
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claim that Nazis were
transporting nuclear material
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out of the country.
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It is a complete
massive U-boat.
Man: Yeah.
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Just laying
on the ocean floor.
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While we didn't find
any barrels of heavy water,
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this is
an unbelievable discovery.
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This is massive infrastructure.
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Something very important
to the Nazis
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was going on right here.
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Look at the size
of this airplane.
It was huge.
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And it's sitting right
next to a U-boat.
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Narrator:
21-year CIA veteran Bob Baer
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and former Terrorist Targeting
officer Nada Bakos
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are using
an asset-mapping strategy,
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tracking Hitler's
known associates to pinpoint
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exactly where the fuhrer
could have gone
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after World War II.
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Clearly, for the Nazis, Narvik
was a major militarized port.
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They are investigating
two potential
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escape routes for Hitler --
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a souther route
through the Tyrol border region
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and a northern route
through Narvik, Norway,
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where they discovered
the remains
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of two large Nazi vessels.
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The question is, were
these used in conjunction
with each other,
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or did they just happen
to be at the port
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ound the same time?
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Baer: The fact they were found
together, it's very strange.
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And my experience tells me
it was not for local defense.
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So, what were they
doing with them?
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Look at this --
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OSS,
predecessor of the CIA,
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March 15, 1943.
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Message from
Colonel Von Lossberg.
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Baer:
"I have spoken about refueling
seaplanes from U-boats.
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A possibility is to station
a U-boat in the Atlantic,
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and when the weather
is favorable, it signals."
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What they're talking about here
is flying seaplanes out,
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rallying with a U-boat
in the middle of the Atlantic,
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refueling, and sending
the seaplanes on.
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What these U-boats are
are gasoline stations
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in the middle
of the Atlantic.
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Look, you've got about
8,000 miles
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from Narvik
to Argentina.
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Bakos:
And the seaplanes have a range
of 3,000 to 4,000 miles,
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so you'd only have
to refuel it once or twice
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before it got
to South America.
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At the beginning
of the investigation,
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we looked at the possibility
that Hitler got to Spain
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and then took a U-boat.
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It never quite worked
in my mind,
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because he was in bad health.
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I just couldn't imagine
Adolf Hitler,
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as ill as he was,
getting on a U-boat for 30 days.
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But now that we know
that they were using seaplanes
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being refueled by U-boats
in the middle of the ocean,
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it makes
a lot more sense.
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This opens up a whole new
set of options
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for Hitler
to get out of Europe.
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For me, this is the logical end
of the northern route.
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Getting a seaplane to
South America from Narvik,
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100% certainty
you could do it.
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If anybody's capable
of using a combination
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of a seaplane and a U-boat,
it's the Germans.
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Had they mastered the technique,
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they could have gotten multiple
seaplanes across the Atlantic.
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We have the end
of our escape route.
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I think
it's a huge breakthrough.
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We now have to figure out
whether the southern route
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would've also gotten him
to South America.
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Narrator:
Having found the end of Hitler's
potential northern escape route
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to South America,
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Bob and Nada
turn their attention
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to the southern escape route
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to uncover whether it could've
also provided Hitler
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safe passage to South America.
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They focus on a castle in Tyrol,
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which, according to a
declassified U.S. Army file,
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was run by high-level
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S.S. Commander
Friedrich Schwend.
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The Tyrol border region
between Italy and Austria
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was crawling with Nazis.
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The team found the castle
where Schwend,
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who was reporting to
Kaltenbrunner and Himmler,
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was burying stashes
for fleeing Nazis.
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Schwend is a key part
of the southern network.
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He is a high-ranking Nazi.
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He's burying stashes.
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Clearly he's a facilitator
helping Nazis
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escape along the southern route.
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The question is --
What were in these stashes?
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I mean, normally you would have
new documentation,
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passports,
gold, for instance,
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but what they really
need to know
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is once you're here.
what's your onward destination?
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If we're able to find
one of these stashes,
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it could be a big breakthrough.
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That could open up the entire
southern network to us.
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We could find out
how they escaped
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and possibly where
they were headed.
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Look at this.
U.S. Army --
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The Hotel Paradiso served
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as a hiding place
for trustworthy Nazis,
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such as Friedrich Schwend.
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Schwend used his gold
to plan possible escape routes.
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This file
is telling us
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this was part of
a clandestine organization.
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"A hiding place
for trustworthy Nazis."
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This is more evidence this is
where those stashes were.
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Where is
Hotel Paradiso?
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Right in the same region
as the castle.
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In the mountains,
very isolated.
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If you're gonna hide
dead drops or stashes,
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you do it
in these mountains.
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So far, we've heard
rumors of stashes,
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but I want to see some sort
of evidence to back that up.
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Holland:
How far's the border from here?
We're pretty close, aren't we?
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Simpson:
We're pretty darn close,
I believe.
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Narrator:
In the Tyrol region on the
border between Austra and Italy,
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World War II historian
James Holland
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and U.S. Army Green Beret
Mike Simpson
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arrive at the Hotel Paradiso.
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Look at
this place.
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Holland:
What we need to find out
is whether Hotel Paradiso
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is a viable place in which to
hide a Nazi safety-deposit box.
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They could have buried
documents, treasure, gold,
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who knows what.
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You know, the building's
bigger than I thought
it was gonna be.
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Yeah,
it's a monster.
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It's almost like
they had plans for this
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to be something pretty major.
-Yeah.
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Bought at some point
in the world by Schwend,
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and I'm guessing
Schwend bought it
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because, you know,
he can hide people in here.
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This is gonna be
an isolated place
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where Schwend can do
what he likes.
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Simpson: If you wanted a place
to have a safe-deposit box
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that somebody
could pick up
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some ready cash
to cross the border,
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this would certainly be
on the list of places
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where I
would put it.
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Simpson:
Hotel Paradiso is very remote.
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It's really the ideal location,
but if I'm Schwend,
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and I'm trying to hide these
articles to be found later,
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I'm not going to use
the building itself.
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People coming in and out
of the hotel
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could stumble
upon it accidentally.
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If we're gonna locate
one of these Nazi dead drops,
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these safe-deposit boxes,
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it's gonna be buried
somewhere in that property.
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-This is a pretty big property.
-Yeah.
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And so we've got to pick
our spot, haven't we?
Yeah.
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We need a little bit
of technology on this.
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Narrator:
In order to help narrow down
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their search
of the hotel property,
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which covers an area of
more than 500,000 square feet,
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Mike contacts LiDAR
USA's European technician
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Travis Widner, who brings in
state-of-the-art technology.
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-Hey!
-What's up, man?
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Drone-mounted LiDAR
utilizes laser pulses
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to produce detailed
3-D renderings
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capable of revealing anomalies
below the surface of the Earth
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within millimeter precision.
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LiDAR technology
has enabled archaeologists
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to discover
lost Mayan civilizations
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in the rainforests of Honduras.
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Widner: What size cache
are we talking here?
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Simpson:
Probably something somebody
could have dug up,
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grabbed,
walked away with.
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You know, backpacks,
suitcase size.
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Let's get a 3-D model
of the area,
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and then we can decide
where exactly we can dig.
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-Whoa!
-I love that.
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Narrator: To properly scan
for anomalies in the soil,
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the team deploys the LiDAR
in a grid-search flight pattern,
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covering
the entire hotel property
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plus an area 60 feet
beyond the hotel grounds
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to ensure they don't miss
any potential targets.
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Widner:
So, is this about how far
you guys wanted to go out?
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Yeah, right about there
looks right.
Okay.
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Holland: So, how long's
this gonna take to do?
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Oh, probably
five minutes, tops.
[ Laughing ]
Really?
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-To run the whole flight.
-As little as that?
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Yeah.
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-Amazing.
-21st century technology, James.
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Yeah, I mean, just imagine
if we didn't have this.
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Simpson: We'd be
out here for days.
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Nicely done.
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And we'll get to
process this data.
All right.
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Widner:
Here's the data.
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Boot 'er up here.
Here we go.
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Holland:
Oh, wow, look at that!
There's the ilding.
Simpson: Ooh!
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Look at that.
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-All the trees.
-That's incredible.
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Look at all the texture
that gives you.
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I mean, it's really
3-Dimensional.
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Okay. So, how do we...
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spot these potential holes
in the ground?
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Well, we're
gonna look for
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raised areas
or depressed areas.
Got you.
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Anything that doesn't
look natural.
That's right.
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We might have to get rid of
some of these trees
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to see the surface.
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-Wow.
-Look at that.
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-What's this?
-That's a nice little pit.
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-See that ripple right there?
-Yeah. I see that.
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That's uphill from
where the runoff is.
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That's not
a natural place
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that you're gonna get
an indentation like that.
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That's
a great observation.
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It's in a completely
unnatural spot.
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It's plain as day
right there.
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I'll just
mark it really quick.
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What's this?
You got a high area
and then -- boop!
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-Like, right there.
-Ooh.
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There's a dip
right there.
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I'm gonna mark
this dip.
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Holland: There's two sites
in particular that could be
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where Nazi safety-deposit boxes
were buried 70 years ago.
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And if we can find just one,
it would give us
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one of the best
preserved blueprints
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for some kind of escape plan
for the Nazis
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at the end of the war.
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Great points
to start with.
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We need
to start digging.
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**
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**
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If the Nazis buried
anything here,
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this is the way
we're gonna find it.
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Narrator:
At a former Nazi hotel
along Hitler's potential
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southern escape route
in the Tyrol Border Region,
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James and Mike are searching
for the hidden location
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of an underground stash
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which, according
to declassified reports
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could have been used
to facilitate
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the escape of high-ranking Nazis
at the end of the war.
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So, we've got
two spots.
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I'll walk you
right over to it.
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We're looking for
a meter by a meter, okay?
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And probably not quite
a meter deep.
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Okay?
All right.
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We'll take you over
to the first spot.
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Simpson: In this area,
the soil is thickly packed.
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It's gonna be difficult
for just James and I
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and one shovel to dig here.
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Sometimes you got to bring in
your big guns.
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Narrator: The team has called in
an excavator
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to expedite their search.
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The team directs
the excavator operator
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to begin digging on
the first of two anomalies
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they found using
LiDAR technology.
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**
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Right there.
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Simpson: At this moment,
we actually could be finding
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one of these
Nazi safe-deposit boxes.
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We're talking about caches
for Nazis on the run with money,
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maps, contacts --
whatever they needed.
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It's pretty thick.
We wouldn't have been able
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to make it through this
on our own.
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That size
is perfect.
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Just go deep.
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**
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[ Scraping ]
Whoa!
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Lots
of rock here.
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**
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Look at this. Hold up!
-Whoa!
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Yeah, that's rebar.
-Yeah, well...
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And this is pipe.
Oh, that's -- Whew!
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Holland:
I mean, that's just rubble
from the resort, isn't it?
Right.
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There's rebar there,
there's bits of sewage piping,
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there's brick. I mean,
no one's gonna be
burying anything in that.
Yeah, you smell that.
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00:14:23,263 --> 00:14:25,232
That's an old-fashioned
ceramic pipe,
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so that's probably
the original pipe
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where the sewage came out
of this building.
Mm.
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So, now we know why there's
a depression here.
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Basically, this is
the septic system,
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and that's why it
sank in right here.
[ Laughs ]
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Yeah.
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All right, let's walk him
over to position two.
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Narrator:
The excavator moves 150 feet
to the other anomaly
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the team identified
with LiDAR.
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[ Machinery revving,
beeping ]
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Simpson: Wait.
Go ahead.
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**
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Holland: Wow,
look at that.
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-Not as rocky.
-Yeah, it's perfect.
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Simpson: The second location
initially looks very promising.
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This area is not rocky.
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The soil is coming up
very easily.
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This would have been an ideal
spot to bury something.
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Go ahead and hold up
right there, okay?
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[ Machinery shuts off ]
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00:15:20,653 --> 00:15:22,722
I don't want him to dig
with this any farther.
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00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:25,458
If they're hiding something,
this is the depth
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that we need to start
looking for it.
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If we keep going
with these big teeth,
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we risk damaging
whatever it might be.
Yeah, I agree.
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[ Clang ]
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What's that?
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00:15:37,204 --> 00:15:39,472
That...
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looks like
a shovel to me.
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00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:45,478
How about that?
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00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:47,047
Simpson:
This is old.
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-It's rusted.
-Mm-hmm.
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Based on the rust and appearance
of this shovel head,
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I think it dates back
before 1950.
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I really think that this broke
off while somebody was digging.
343
00:15:57,190 --> 00:16:00,260
It's bent,
the handle's missing.
344
00:16:00,293 --> 00:16:02,629
Well, I can tell you, it's hard
work digging into that.
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00:16:02,662 --> 00:16:04,164
-Yeah.
-But not impossible.
346
00:16:04,197 --> 00:16:06,533
This clearly means
someone else was digging
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00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:09,169
in this
exact same spot.
348
00:16:09,202 --> 00:16:11,304
The question is --
was this shovel here
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while someone
was either putting in
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or removing one of these
safe-deposit boxes?
351
00:16:15,508 --> 00:16:17,710
Or was it a treasure hunter
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just looking in the same area
that we were?
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00:16:20,247 --> 00:16:22,282
Holland:
No, I think it's pretty clear
there's nothing else
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in there, is there?
I think it's reasonable
to assume that something
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could have been hidden here.
-Yeah.
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00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:28,488
But at this point,
we have to assume
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that whatever it is
is long gone.
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I mean, look at how much
territory there is,
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but one of the two places
we marked on the LiDAR.
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somebody else was digging,
as well,
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00:16:35,795 --> 00:16:38,131
which I find to be
a strangcoincidence.
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00:16:38,165 --> 00:16:41,034
**
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**
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You can hide stuff in this
hotel, no doubt about it.
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Narrator: Bob and Nada
review the findings
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00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:54,381
from Hitler's potential
southern escape route in Tyrol
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00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:57,517
where a declassified
U.S. Army report claims
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00:16:57,550 --> 00:17:00,453
the S.S. were burying money
and escape plans
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00:17:00,487 --> 00:17:04,657
for fleeing Nazis on
the property of an Alpine hotel.
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00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,826
The team searched the area
with a LiDAR,
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and they found a couple
disturbances in the soil,
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and one of the things
they uncovered
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was this shovel
that was broken.
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This is
70 years later.
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00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:20,473
This site probably
very quickly got looted.
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00:17:20,507 --> 00:17:24,377
You know, we should have
been looking in 1945.
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00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:26,813
In my experience, whenever
I hit a dead end like this,
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00:17:26,846 --> 00:17:28,448
I'd always go back
and look at the network
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00:17:28,481 --> 00:17:30,083
we've already
established.
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We know the network
was active in this place,
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00:17:32,485 --> 00:17:34,321
so in the absence
of any physical evidence,
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00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:36,156
let's see if we can
pick up the trail
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on anyone who
would have used this route
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00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:40,227
or picked up
one of these stashes.
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00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,695
**
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00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:45,365
Case,
cash, networks.
387
00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:46,766
Here we go.
388
00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:49,569
This is from CIA.
Eichmann's flight.
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00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:52,605
So, here's Eichmann showing up
again on the southern route.
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00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:55,142
"Fully inconspicuous,
I took my suitcase
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00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:57,544
from this excellent priest
from Vipiteno,
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00:17:57,577 --> 00:18:00,813
beyond the Italian border
over the Brenner Pass."
393
00:18:00,847 --> 00:18:02,749
So, we have dead drops
in this area.
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00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,751
Eichmann is picking up
one of them.
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00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:07,154
Look, what's incredible
about this --
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there's a priest,
according to Eichmann,
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00:18:09,789 --> 00:18:14,327
providing assistance
to a mass murderer
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00:18:14,361 --> 00:18:15,595
after World War II.
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00:18:15,628 --> 00:18:17,464
So, here's Vipiteno.
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00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:19,566
It's on the border
between Austria and Italy,
401
00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:23,570
and it's only 45 miles
to the Hotel Paradiso.
402
00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,505
We need to figure out
what this priest was doing.
403
00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:28,708
What part does this priest play
in the southern escape route?
404
00:18:28,741 --> 00:18:30,910
Yeah, is it one guy?
Is it one priest?
405
00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:32,445
Or is it
a lot of people?
406
00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:34,247
We got to get the team
to find out.
407
00:18:34,281 --> 00:18:44,257
**
408
00:18:44,291 --> 00:18:46,859
**
409
00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:48,728
Simpson: We've confirmed
that Eichmann was here.
410
00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:50,897
And that's not
even in question.
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00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:53,233
So, now we just need
to get the details.
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Narrator:
Along Hitler's potential
southern escape route,
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00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:58,938
Mike, James,
and their translator Katya
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00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:00,740
land in Vipiteno,
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00:19:00,773 --> 00:19:03,310
a town in
the Tyrol border region.
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00:19:03,343 --> 00:19:05,778
James Holland
Nice to meet you.
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00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:09,382
The team makes contact with
historian, Dr. Dietrich Talor
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00:19:09,416 --> 00:19:11,551
at the Lady
of the Moss Church,
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00:19:11,584 --> 00:19:14,221
which according
to declassified documents
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00:19:14,254 --> 00:19:16,356
was connected
to a priest assisting
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00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:18,425
in the escape
of high-ranking Nazis
422
00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:22,329
including Adolf Eichmann
after the war.
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00:19:22,362 --> 00:19:26,266
Holland:
We've learned that the priest
here just after the war
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00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:29,569
was helping a number of Nazis
that were on the run.
425
00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:31,471
We were wondering whether
you could help us in any way.
426
00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:32,539
[ Speaking
native language ]
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00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:40,247
Seebohm:
He's says "Very little official
research exists on the subject,
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00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,216
but there are still a lot of
stories within the community."
429
00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:52,592
**
430
00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,794
**
431
00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:56,763
Holland:
Do you actually know who the
priest was that at that time?
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00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:03,436
Seebohm:
The priest at the time
was called Corradini.
433
00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:06,306
Corradini was here
for 20 years,
434
00:20:06,339 --> 00:20:11,244
and he would give aid to Nazis
fleeing through the area.
435
00:20:11,278 --> 00:20:13,380
Thousands were coming
through here.
436
00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:18,885
So, what we've got here
is Corradini housing them,
437
00:20:18,918 --> 00:20:20,553
giving them help.
438
00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:22,289
I mean,
what else is he doing?
439
00:20:22,322 --> 00:20:25,492
There is documentation
that they were re-baptized.
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00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:27,960
**
441
00:20:27,994 --> 00:20:29,762
Baptized?
Why?
442
00:20:34,634 --> 00:20:36,503
He doesn't know.
443
00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:38,938
Simpson:
This is bizarre
to me, James.
444
00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:41,641
A baptism?
445
00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:44,477
Simpson:
I am completely revolted
by this information.
446
00:20:44,511 --> 00:20:47,447
Being baptized as a Catholic
means you are cleansed
447
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,049
of all sins you have
previously committed.
448
00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:52,385
I don't buy
that high-ranking Nazis
449
00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:54,787
known to have committed
mass murder
450
00:20:54,821 --> 00:20:57,690
really repented of their sins.
451
00:20:57,724 --> 00:20:59,726
You see
this baptismal record.
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00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,861
This is
pretty standard.
453
00:21:01,894 --> 00:21:04,897
Would there have been
a baptismal record of that time?
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00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:07,834
Seebohm:
There are registries
dating back over centuries.
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00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:09,902
He's going to check
and see if it's possible
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00:21:09,936 --> 00:21:12,939
that we take a look
at them.
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00:21:12,972 --> 00:21:15,308
Narrator:
Dr. Talor secures access
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00:21:15,342 --> 00:21:17,377
to the church's
sealed-records archive,
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00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:20,547
a collection of documents
dating back hundreds of years.
460
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:22,982
**
461
00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:26,052
Seebohm: So, this is
from 1943-onward.
462
00:21:26,085 --> 00:21:30,923
**
463
00:21:30,957 --> 00:21:33,526
Simpson: A lot
to go through here.
464
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,562
I mean, there's so many
German names here.
465
00:21:35,595 --> 00:21:42,101
**
466
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,371
Oh, my God!
467
00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:47,073
There's no record Eichmann
was baptized here,
468
00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,841
but look at that.
469
00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,042
What's that?
470
00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:52,011
"Priebke Erich."
471
00:21:52,044 --> 00:21:54,381
He's a known
Nazi war criminal,
472
00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,649
and he escaped
to Argentina.
473
00:21:56,683 --> 00:21:59,586
And he lived there
a free man
474
00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,888
for more than 50 years
in Bariloche.
475
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:03,990
This links the ratline
476
00:22:04,023 --> 00:22:07,927
going through this church
to Bariloche.
477
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,763
That's a hard-data point.
That's major.
478
00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,132
Narrator: Erich Priebke
was an S. S. commander
479
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:14,901
who was responsible
for the deaths
480
00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:16,836
of hundreds of Italian civilians
481
00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:19,772
in an action called
the Ardeatine Massacre.
482
00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:21,574
After the war,
483
00:22:21,608 --> 00:22:24,711
he successfully went underground
and escaped Europe,
484
00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:29,382
surfacing in 1949
in Bariloche, Argentina,
485
00:22:29,416 --> 00:22:31,951
the same town where the team
had previously uncovered
486
00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:34,421
a safe house
linked to Adolf Hitler.
487
00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:45,432
Holland: Ah, this is also
really interesting.
488
00:22:45,465 --> 00:22:48,501
He gets another identity.
489
00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:50,603
He wasn't called
Erich Priebke anymore.
490
00:22:50,637 --> 00:22:52,605
He went as
"Otto Pape."
491
00:22:52,639 --> 00:22:55,141
Simpson: Erich Priebke
had been cleansed.
492
00:22:55,174 --> 00:22:58,778
He came here as
a fleeing Nazi war criminal
493
00:22:58,811 --> 00:23:01,581
with the blood
of hundreds on his hands.
494
00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:03,883
Got complete
absolution for that
495
00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:06,486
and left here a new man
496
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:09,188
with a fresh start
and a new name.
497
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:10,890
What's amazing
is you've got
498
00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:14,093
two really well-known
war criminals here.
499
00:23:14,126 --> 00:23:16,629
One, Adolf Eichmann.
We know he was here.
500
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,631
Then we've got
Erich Priebke, too,
501
00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:20,900
another really
infamous war criminal,
502
00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:23,202
and he's not just
being helped by Corradini,
503
00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,472
he's being baptized,
504
00:23:25,505 --> 00:23:28,107
and we know that both men
ended up in South America
505
00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:30,109
with completely
different names.
506
00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:33,646
If Austria is where
the Nazis shed their skin,
507
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,848
then South Tyrol
508
00:23:35,882 --> 00:23:37,950
is where
they were born again
509
00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:39,852
and assumed
a new identity.
510
00:23:39,886 --> 00:23:41,588
Simpson: Thus far,
we've been able to establish
511
00:23:41,621 --> 00:23:44,557
that Nazis shed their identities
in Austria.
512
00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:46,092
Seebohm:
Everyone threw everything away
513
00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:47,960
because then no one was a Nazi.
514
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:54,534
Simpson: These Nazis
then moved to the Tyrol region,
515
00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:56,636
retrieved caches of loot,
were able to be baptized,
516
00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:59,906
were able to be baptized,
assume new identities,
517
00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:01,741
and then move on.
518
00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,576
This unassuming Catholic church
519
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:07,480
is possibly the most
important point on the ratline.
520
00:24:07,514 --> 00:24:10,249
Any high-level Nazis
who entered this church
521
00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:13,853
could've left this church
with a new identity
522
00:24:13,886 --> 00:24:15,254
and a new life ahead of them.
523
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:18,491
**
524
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:22,995
**
525
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:25,565
Baer: I think this is big.
You've got Erich Priebke
526
00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:28,635
who comes to this church,
is re-baptized.
527
00:24:28,668 --> 00:24:30,770
It looks like
it's organized to me.
528
00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:33,740
Narrator:
Bob Baer and Nada Bakos
529
00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:35,608
review the findings
from Hitler's
530
00:24:35,642 --> 00:24:38,244
potential southern
escape route through Tyrol
531
00:24:38,277 --> 00:24:41,548
where a declassified
CIA document reports
532
00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:46,185
that a local priest was aiding
in the escape of fleeing Nazis.
533
00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:49,889
The fact that there was a priest
willing to help a Nazi
534
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:53,860
gain a new identity really
expands their ability
535
00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:56,563
to be able to move out
of Germany, out of Austria,
536
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:59,566
and down into Italy
for passage out of Europe.
537
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,000
I think that's huge.
538
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:04,036
Priebke is given
new documentation here,
539
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:07,907
and he was known to have
been involved in massacres.
540
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,677
What this is doing is just
giving them a new name
541
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:12,679
so they can
start a new life,
542
00:25:12,712 --> 00:25:14,747
and they no longer
have to answer
543
00:25:14,781 --> 00:25:16,749
for the crimes
that they committed.
544
00:25:16,783 --> 00:25:19,886
Baer: In 1945,
people didn't have the Internet,
545
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:21,721
they didn't have
facial recognition.
546
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,290
These Nazi war criminals
changed their names
547
00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:27,326
and just disappeared, and people
didn't know who they were.
548
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,962
You simply assume
a different nationality,
549
00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:31,631
get new paperwork for it,
550
00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:34,200
and then you completely
wash yourself clean.
551
00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:37,737
We've got records of
these guys being baptized.
552
00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:41,040
We've got Eichmann saying
that a priest helped him.
553
00:25:41,073 --> 00:25:43,710
What I'm seeing is
a pattern of activity
554
00:25:43,743 --> 00:25:46,178
of protecting
high-ranking Nazis,
555
00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:49,215
and I've seen this
before.
556
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:51,884
Narrator:
Previously in the investigation,
557
00:25:51,918 --> 00:25:54,754
the team uncovered evidence
that Catholic priests
558
00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,589
were aiding
in the escape of Nazis
559
00:25:56,623 --> 00:25:59,225
at two separate monasteries
in Spain.
560
00:25:59,258 --> 00:26:00,960
One in Galicia...
561
00:26:00,993 --> 00:26:03,329
Woman: Germans come here
in the monastery,
562
00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:07,900
and they used to do
forged documents
563
00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:10,903
to give them
new identity.
564
00:26:10,937 --> 00:26:12,972
...and another
outside of Barcelona.
565
00:26:20,146 --> 00:26:23,349
Holland:
A Nazi war criminal would
want somewhere discreet.
566
00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:26,252
Frankly, he couldn't ask
for a better place.
567
00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:30,322
What I don't know is if it was
part of a bigger organization.
568
00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:32,391
I mean,
how extensive was this?
569
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,826
The Catholic Church
is one of the biggest
570
00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:35,662
human networks in the world.
571
00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:38,030
If the Nazis
could tap into that network,
572
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:40,132
that would provide them
with supply lines
573
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,201
to be able to funnel
people and goods
574
00:26:42,234 --> 00:26:44,771
and safe havens
all over the world.
575
00:26:44,804 --> 00:26:46,906
Is it
the entire church?
576
00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:48,875
Is it an organization
within the church?
577
00:26:48,908 --> 00:26:50,643
Is it
individual priests?
578
00:26:50,677 --> 00:26:53,913
Yeah, we need
to find that out.
579
00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:57,884
Narrator:
Bob and Nada make contact with
Professor Jonathan Steinberg...
580
00:26:57,917 --> 00:26:59,686
Both: Hi.
Hello.
581
00:26:59,719 --> 00:27:01,954
...the former Chair
of the History Department
582
00:27:01,988 --> 00:27:03,923
at the University
of Pennsylvania
583
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:06,058
and one of the world's
foremost experts
584
00:27:06,092 --> 00:27:07,927
on the history
of the Catholic Church
585
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,962
during and after World War II.
586
00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:23,910
We have found records
of a priest
587
00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:28,147
in the South Tyrol
baptizing Nazis.
588
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:31,417
Is it your opinion
he was acting on his own
589
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:33,720
or he was acting
with somebody else?
590
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,762
So, he just wasn't
a Nazi sympathizer,
591
00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,732
this is approved,
and somebody blesses this?
592
00:27:53,472 --> 00:27:57,043
Was the Catholic Church
involved in getting Nazis
593
00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:59,111
out of Germany
to Argentina?
594
00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:08,087
What incentive would
these priests and cardinals
595
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,758
have to help some of
these Nazi officers escape?
596
00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,473
If Hitler
were to show up,
597
00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:31,243
what are the chances
of the faction of the church
598
00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:33,512
that helped the Nazis
picking him up
599
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:36,315
and sending him
to Argentina?
600
00:28:53,132 --> 00:28:55,267
The Catholic Church
operates as a government.
601
00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:59,271
It's sovereign. It's off-limits
to the American government.
602
00:28:59,305 --> 00:29:01,540
Had it wanted to,
the Catholic Church
603
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:05,044
could've smuggled Hitler out.
604
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:07,814
He just completely ruled out
the possibility
605
00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:12,218
that the priest helping with
Priebke was acting on his own.
606
00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:15,021
He wasn't a Nazi
sympathizer saying,
607
00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:16,522
"I'll do a favor
for these guys."
608
00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:18,991
It was
part of the church.
609
00:29:19,025 --> 00:29:21,493
It's a network that
anybody could fall back
on at this point.
Yeah.
610
00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:25,197
Now that we have brought
the Catholic Church in,
611
00:29:25,231 --> 00:29:27,333
this convinces me
that if you could find
612
00:29:27,366 --> 00:29:29,301
the right set of people
in the church,
613
00:29:29,335 --> 00:29:31,503
you could move
Adolf Hitler.
614
00:29:31,537 --> 00:29:34,206
It's clear to me that the people
in the church were helping,
615
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,275
but how were they
doing it?
616
00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:38,344
Let's see what we can find
in the database.
617
00:29:38,377 --> 00:29:42,314
**
618
00:29:42,348 --> 00:29:45,184
Baer:
Here we go.
619
00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:50,589
"U.S. Army Summary
of Nazi Activity in Rome.
620
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:53,993
"Many prominent war criminals
are living in Rome
621
00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:57,163
illegally under false names.
622
00:29:57,196 --> 00:30:01,033
All this activity seems
to stem from the Vatican
623
00:30:01,067 --> 00:30:04,871
through the Monastery
of San Girolamo."
624
00:30:04,904 --> 00:30:06,906
This is huge.
625
00:30:06,939 --> 00:30:11,310
We've got the Army recognizing
this in a classified document
626
00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:15,848
that it's the Vatican
that is processing these Nazis.
627
00:30:15,882 --> 00:30:19,285
Narrator:
Serving as the central governing
body of the Catholic Church,
628
00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:23,890
the Vatican is a sovereign
city-state ruled by the Pope.
629
00:30:23,923 --> 00:30:28,627
Located on 110 acres within
the city limits of Rome, Italy,
630
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,931
the Vatican operates
with complete independence,
631
00:30:31,964 --> 00:30:35,301
minting its own currency,
issuing passports,
632
00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:37,436
and maintaining
a state military force
633
00:30:37,469 --> 00:30:41,207
known as the
Pontifical Swiss Guard.
634
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,242
Look,
here's the Vatican.
635
00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:46,578
**
636
00:30:46,612 --> 00:30:50,883
And here
we have San Girolamo.
637
00:30:50,917 --> 00:30:55,287
It's just over a mile away
from the Vatican.
638
00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:57,123
We are in
the Vatican's front yard,
639
00:30:57,156 --> 00:31:00,559
and you're having
a monastery processing
640
00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:03,362
Nazi war criminals
in 1945.
641
00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:05,297
Baer:
If we can find evidence
642
00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:09,168
of how exactly this monastery
was helping Nazis,
643
00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:11,938
we could unlock
the final piece of the puzzle
644
00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:14,040
of the southern escape route.
645
00:31:14,073 --> 00:31:16,408
We have to get people out there
and see what this place was.
646
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:20,879
**
647
00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:27,686
**
648
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:30,957
DePaul:
It's important that we put eyes
and ears in this place.
649
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:33,225
Narrator:
Along Hitler's potential
southern escape route
650
00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,094
in Rome, Italy,
651
00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:38,264
former U.S. Marshalls Commander
Lenny DePaul,
652
00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:41,067
investigative journalist
Gerrard Williams,
653
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,269
and their
local contact, Marcel,
654
00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:46,072
head to
the San Girolamo Monastery
655
00:31:46,105 --> 00:31:49,008
where a declassified
U.S. Army document claims
656
00:31:49,041 --> 00:31:52,311
the Catholic Church was
assisting high-ranking Nazis
657
00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:56,482
to escape from Europe
at the end of the war.
658
00:31:56,515 --> 00:31:59,718
Williams: We've been told
that a network of priests
659
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,520
in the Catholic Church
were involved
660
00:32:01,553 --> 00:32:05,024
in the escape of Nazis
after World War II.
661
00:32:05,057 --> 00:32:07,193
But it's still something
that doesn't really fit with me.
662
00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:09,128
Marcel,
lead the way.
663
00:32:09,161 --> 00:32:12,398
How you can be a man of
the cloth and at the same time,
664
00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:15,034
support people who committed
such huge crimes.
665
00:32:15,067 --> 00:32:17,136
It's mind-boggling.
666
00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:23,209
**
667
00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:24,310
Marcel:
Here's the church.
668
00:32:24,343 --> 00:32:30,682
**
669
00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:34,320
Girolamo.
670
00:32:34,353 --> 00:32:36,588
It's a big door,
Lenny.
671
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,259
Documents we've had access to
show us that San Girolamo is key
672
00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:42,561
to the Nazi escape route
through Italy.
673
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:45,764
What we need to find out
is how did the Catholic Church
674
00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:48,700
run such a massive operation.
675
00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:51,103
We need to get in
and see what we can see.
676
00:32:52,538 --> 00:32:53,705
[ Dog barking ]
677
00:32:53,739 --> 00:33:00,546
**
678
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,348
I'm gonna take a look
around the corner.
679
00:33:02,381 --> 00:33:07,453
**
680
00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:09,221
I want to get in.
I want to get in.
681
00:33:09,255 --> 00:33:12,058
One way or another,
I want to get in.
682
00:33:12,091 --> 00:33:13,659
-Nothing?
-Nothing.
683
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:25,404
DePaul: Why do you have
this huge church,
684
00:33:25,437 --> 00:33:27,039
and you can't get
in the front door?
685
00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:29,275
St. Patrick's Cathedral
in New York City...
686
00:33:29,308 --> 00:33:31,410
Open all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
Every door's open.
687
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:32,744
Williams: I don't think
we're gonna find anything.
688
00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:34,446
It's hidden away.
689
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,348
What we need to do
is find somebody who knows
690
00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:42,421
what's hidden behind
the walls of this church.
691
00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:45,057
Williams: So, do you think
this is our contact?
DePaul: It is.
692
00:33:45,091 --> 00:33:47,059
Matteo.
693
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:49,461
-How are you?
-Nice to meet you.
694
00:33:49,495 --> 00:33:53,332
Narrator: The team makes contact
with Professor Matteo Napolitano
695
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,068
who serves on the Vatican's
Historical Committee
696
00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:58,504
and has extensively researched
the activities
697
00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:02,608
of the Catholic Church during
and after the second World War.
698
00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:06,445
Matteo, we have a document
which puts this church
699
00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:10,182
right at the heart of
the escape lines through Rome.
700
00:34:19,458 --> 00:34:21,460
Marcel: So, this church,
San Girolamo,
701
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,629
was in fact
the safe house
702
00:34:23,662 --> 00:34:26,498
for the escapes
to get out of Italy.
703
00:34:26,532 --> 00:34:28,500
In my world, that's called
"harboring and aiding
704
00:34:28,534 --> 00:34:30,269
and abetting
a fugitive."
705
00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:32,604
Was there anything else that
San Girolamo was doing
706
00:34:32,638 --> 00:34:35,141
aside from being
a safe house for the Nazis?
707
00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:38,344
They were organizing documents
in order for them to leave.
708
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:42,248
They needed those documents in
order to get to South America.
709
00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:45,117
So, Matteo, are they
printing documents here?
710
00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:47,686
Are they forging documents
here?
711
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,754
No.
712
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:56,728
The Red Cross, Len.
713
00:34:56,762 --> 00:35:00,232
Narrator: Founded in
Geneva, Switzerland, in 1863,
714
00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:02,134
the International Red Cross
715
00:35:02,168 --> 00:35:05,337
is the oldest humanitarian-aid
organization in the world.
716
00:35:05,371 --> 00:35:06,838
After World War II,
717
00:35:06,872 --> 00:35:09,375
millions of displaced
European refugees
718
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,143
relied on the Red Cross.
719
00:35:11,177 --> 00:35:13,479
They provided
documentation and papers
720
00:35:13,512 --> 00:35:16,815
issuing over 120,000
temporary passports
721
00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:19,285
by the end of 1951.
722
00:35:19,318 --> 00:35:21,720
If the church provided approval,
723
00:35:21,753 --> 00:35:24,823
Nazi war criminals
using false identities
724
00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:26,858
could gain legitimate paperwork
725
00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:30,296
and passports
through this system.
726
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:34,533
Marcel:
The Red Cross was actually
producing legitimate documents
727
00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:36,768
with false identities.
728
00:35:36,802 --> 00:35:38,770
Unbelievable.
729
00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:41,740
The documents were secure,
so if they had those documents,
730
00:35:41,773 --> 00:35:43,609
they could easily
get out of Rome.
Go anywhere.
731
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:45,644
And they could hide
in plain sight.
732
00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:47,846
Williams:
We've seen escaping Nazis
being baptized
733
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,948
into the church under new names.
734
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,918
Their next step is Rome,
where under that new name,
735
00:35:52,951 --> 00:35:55,654
they will get a real passport.
736
00:35:55,687 --> 00:35:58,324
Once they've got that,
they're home free.
737
00:35:58,357 --> 00:36:01,460
You leave with the blessing
of the Catholic Church
738
00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:03,895
and the International Committee
for the Red Cross.
739
00:36:03,929 --> 00:36:05,864
You could not be safer.
740
00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:08,267
That's too easy.
That's the way
it worked.
741
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:10,769
Wow. Wow.
742
00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:13,872
This is the last piece
of the puzzle, right?
743
00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:17,576
But who did the church in Rome
help to get out of Europe?
744
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:22,414
Very difficult
to understand
745
00:36:22,448 --> 00:36:25,551
because once they got
these legal documents,
746
00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:28,387
it was very difficult
to figure out.
They're gone.
They're gone.
747
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:32,624
Williams:
We know that thousands of Nazis
are flooding down the ratlines
748
00:36:32,658 --> 00:36:35,794
to Italy, to Rome.
The question now is --
749
00:36:35,827 --> 00:36:37,696
who could have got out of Europe
750
00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:39,565
using the southern escape route
751
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:41,967
through Rome
and out to South America?
752
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,602
It's something we need to know.
753
00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:47,239
**
754
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:54,613
**
755
00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,549
-This is where we're going?
-Yep, looks like it.
756
00:36:57,583 --> 00:37:00,486
Narrator: With the help
of their local contact,
757
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:03,589
Lenny and Gerrard have secured
an exclusive meeting
758
00:37:03,622 --> 00:37:06,892
with a woman who is believed to
have groundbreaking information
759
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:10,562
about the Nazis' southern
escape route.
760
00:37:10,596 --> 00:37:12,331
Williams: Hi,
I'm Gerrard.
761
00:37:12,364 --> 00:37:16,468
Gisela Heidenreich, the daughter
of a senior S.S. officer
762
00:37:16,502 --> 00:37:18,804
has agreed to share her
firsthand knowledge
763
00:37:18,837 --> 00:37:20,706
with the team.
764
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:23,675
Williams: We know that a group
within the organization
765
00:37:23,709 --> 00:37:26,878
of the Catholic Church
were involved in the escape
766
00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:30,582
of Nazis after World War II
using the southern escape route.
767
00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:32,618
Now we need to find out
who they helped
768
00:37:32,651 --> 00:37:35,287
and aided to get out of Europe.
769
00:37:35,321 --> 00:37:36,922
We understand
from our contact
770
00:37:36,955 --> 00:37:40,359
that you may have
specific information
771
00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:44,696
about who actually may have used
these ratlines and escaped.
772
00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:54,873
Horst Wagner.
773
00:37:54,906 --> 00:37:58,344
Narrator:
A high-ranking diplomat
and officer in the S.S.,
774
00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:00,379
Horst Wagner
earned a place within
775
00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:02,481
Hitler's elite inner circle,
776
00:38:02,514 --> 00:38:04,383
serving at
the Foreign Ministry in Berlin
777
00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,485
for the duration of the war.
778
00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:09,421
Wagner was accused
of war crimes for his role
779
00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:12,791
in the murder of 350,000 Jews,
780
00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:16,495
but managed to escape
and never faced the charges.
781
00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:27,673
How do you know this,
specifically?
782
00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:29,074
Where's that
coming from?
783
00:38:48,527 --> 00:38:51,129
So, you have the conversation
between the two lovers?
Yeah.
784
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,665
You have both sides
of the conversation.
That's unheard of.
Yeah. Yeah.
785
00:38:55,066 --> 00:38:56,868
How many letters
did you find?
786
00:38:59,505 --> 00:39:02,374
Wow.
787
00:39:02,408 --> 00:39:03,975
Can we see
those letters?
788
00:39:06,077 --> 00:39:08,880
Narrator: Gisela grants the team
an unprecedented look
789
00:39:08,914 --> 00:39:11,750
at her collection of hundreds
of original letters
790
00:39:11,783 --> 00:39:15,086
detailing every step of the
Nazis's southern escape route.
791
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:24,996
Williams: It's amazing,
and this is potentially key
792
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:26,665
to the investigation.
793
00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:28,934
Horst Wagner
and Gisela's mother,
794
00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:31,102
they thought that these letters
were in secret.
795
00:39:31,136 --> 00:39:34,606
That's why I think this is
actually the whole truth.
796
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,142
This is real.
It's massive!
797
00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:39,645
How does he get out of Germany?
How does he escape?
798
00:39:50,055 --> 00:39:51,823
Is this written
in these letters?
799
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:12,143
Original documents
in a different name.
800
00:40:12,177 --> 00:40:13,579
Then what?
801
00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:22,854
Seebohm:
Kaltenbrunner fled from here
to the hunting lodge
802
00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:24,590
that was up
in the Dead Mountains here.
803
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:26,124
Williams: We're talking about
Ernst Kaltenbrunner,
804
00:40:26,157 --> 00:40:28,927
number two in the S.S.
-Yes.
805
00:40:36,868 --> 00:40:40,105
Holland: If you want a system
that can help Nazis post-war,
806
00:40:40,138 --> 00:40:42,541
this is about
as good as it gets.
807
00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:44,676
These are the places that
we've gone and looked at,
808
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:46,512
walked the ground,
and investigated.
809
00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:48,647
He's pretty much
just dropping bread crumbs
810
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,749
on this ratline
and the route that he took.
811
00:40:55,887 --> 00:40:59,558
So, Gisela, when he finally
decided to leave Rome,
812
00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:00,792
where did he go to?
813
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,902
He finally made it
to South America.
814
00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:13,705
Williams: Wagner's a very,
very senior Nazi,
815
00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:15,641
a close member
of Hitler's circle.
816
00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:18,844
What we have now is a connection
between Adolf Hitler,
817
00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:21,580
the network,
and the southern escape route.
818
00:41:21,613 --> 00:41:25,016
This route is used by the most
senior, governmental,
819
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:28,654
and S.S. officer class
that you can think of.
820
00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:30,789
The ea that Adolf Hitler
may have been one of them,
821
00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:32,791
it's a possibility.
822
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:36,562
So, Gisela, you've helped us
flesh out the southern ratline
823
00:41:36,595 --> 00:41:39,698
coming out of Germany
through Bavaria,
824
00:41:39,731 --> 00:41:41,933
down through Austria,
into the Tyrol,
825
00:41:41,967 --> 00:41:47,773
to Rome, and then from there,
all roads lead to Argentina.
826
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:50,842
That's not just connected
all the dots for us.
827
00:41:50,876 --> 00:41:53,945
That's drawn
a big black marker line
828
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:55,146
through
the whole of Europe.
829
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:57,115
This is amazing.
830
00:41:57,148 --> 00:42:00,085
It looks like
that's it for Europe.
831
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:03,254
We have found the very end
of the southern escape route.
832
00:42:03,288 --> 00:42:05,591
**
833
00:42:05,624 --> 00:42:08,259
Next stop,
Buenos Aires, Argentina.
834
00:42:08,293 --> 00:42:12,664
**
835
00:42:12,698 --> 00:42:15,133
Narrator:
Next time on "Hunting Hitler"...
836
00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:17,669
He remembers there was
a crash and a splash.
837
00:42:17,703 --> 00:42:19,304
He saw it from here.
838
00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:23,174
Have you ever heard that there
were Nazis on this airplane?
839
00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,611
**
840
00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:28,079
He's scared.
841
00:42:28,113 --> 00:42:29,715
Hey, hey, hey!
Right here, right here!
842
00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:32,150
**
843
00:42:32,183 --> 00:42:34,352
Holy [bleep].
844
00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:35,654
If you want
corroborating evidence,
845
00:42:35,687 --> 00:42:37,222
this is it right here.
846
00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:39,124
This is
massively significant.
847
00:42:39,157 --> 00:42:42,628
This was part of a Nazi
shuttle service
848
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:45,731
all throughout South America.
849
00:42:45,764 --> 00:42:47,933
Die Spinne was operating
in Argentina?
850
00:42:50,969 --> 00:42:53,772
This is them counting
every single dollar of them
851
00:42:53,805 --> 00:42:57,342
moving people from Europe
to Argentina and South America.
852
00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,010
Recognize
any of these people?
853
00:42:59,044 --> 00:43:01,212
**
854
00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:02,748
It's Josef Mengele.
855
00:43:02,781 --> 00:43:05,216
**
856
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:07,853
Auschwitz's
Angel of Death.
857
00:43:07,886 --> 00:43:08,820
**
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