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NARRATOR: Previously
on "The Thing About Pam"...
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Something happened, Minnie.
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Something terrible.
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There's been a murder. A big one.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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I can't see my dad,
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and I'll never see my mom again.
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I didn't do this.
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What about that Pam lady?
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She was the last one to see Betsy alive.
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Janet was practically begging me
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to handle the money.
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I bet you'll get that facelift
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you've been wanting.
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[SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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♪
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NARRATOR: Who is Pam Hupp?
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Mother, wife, philanthropist,
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and now, star witness?
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Of course, if you ask her,
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she's all of these,
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and so much more.
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We've been waiting for you.
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[ENYA'S "ORINOCO FLOW [SAIL AWAY]"]
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♪
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♪ Let me sail, let me sail ♪
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All Pams rise. Court is now in session.
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♪ Let me reach, let me beach
on the shores of Tripoli ♪
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♪ Let me sail, let me sail ♪
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♪ Sail away, sail away, sail away ♪
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[CPAP WHIRRING]
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[MUTTERING INDISTINCTLY]
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- You're talking in your sleep.
- Oh.
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Yeah, it's the trial.
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You're gonna do great.
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I know I am,
but what about everyone else?
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Askey, Judge Mennemeyer,
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all the Hoosiers on the jury.
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I wish there was
more of me to go around.
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Now, we'd all be better off
with more Pams.
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Ha.
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[SINISTER MUSIC]
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Kiss-ass.
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[CPAP WHIRRING]
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NARRATOR: The pressure was on.
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The trial loomed close.
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But could Pam be everywhere at once?
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♪
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So Pam and Betsy called Mark
at 7:04 p.m.
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from Betsy's driveway,
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and then Pam says she called Betsy
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21 minutes later to say
that she was home.
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That's not possible.
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No, and now we can prove it. Look.
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The cell map shows that Pam was
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less than 3 miles from Betsy's house
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when she made that second call.
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So she not only lied about
when she left the message...
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Pam could have been calling
from inside the house.
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We got her.
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[TENSE MUSIC]
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Something's still not right.
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I mean, Askey gives us a cell map
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two days before the trial,
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we still haven't seen
any luminol photos...
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Yeah, we knew to ask for those.
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♪
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So what's the other shoe?
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The murder slippers?
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No, we have photos
of the murder slippers.
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They're in the...
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When's the other shoe gonna drop?
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[LAUGHS]
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- I got it.
- Yeah, you're no fun.
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Ooh. Ooh.
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Do you know they won't
let me in the courtroom
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until I take the stand?
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Some kind of rule or something.
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You'll still be on TV, right?
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You know what kills me?
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That lawyer can say
whatever about Betsy,
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and I can't do a thing about it.
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Well, you're still
gonna be on TV, right?
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- Yes, Min, probably.
- Good.
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Mark and Travis have to work,
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and I'd ask Sarah to go,
but she's busy too.
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I just wish I could know
what's happening.
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I could stand up for you.
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Oh, I don't know.
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- Are you sure?
- Oh, I've always wanted
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to be a spy.
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- I could wear a wig!
- [LAUGHS]
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No, just... just text me
what's going on,
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especially if Schwartz is talking
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about me and Betsy, okay?
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You got it.
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Okay.
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You got it.
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You know...
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his associate, he called me.
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He wanted to know if your car
was in the driveway
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the night Betsy was killed, and...
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Well, you know it was.
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I know. That's what I told him.
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But, you know, I didn't see it exactly
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because I was watching
"The Biggest Loser."
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He's desperate, Min.
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But that doesn't mean
that he can go harassing you.
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Okay.
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I'll take care of it.
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[CHUCKLES]
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[BARKING]
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Ugh.
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Whoa.
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♪
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Order whatever you want. It's on me.
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I work here.
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I'm so glad we could find
a meeting place
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that was so convenient for you.
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[SIGHS HEAVILY] How are you?
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You holding up all right?
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I'm... I'm just broke.
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Pam says we can't get our money
until our mom's trial's over.
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Can... can she even do that?
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I wouldn't worry about Pam.
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She's just trying to do what she can
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to help your family get justice.
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God, if... if my dad
goes to prison, um...
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Look, I know you love your dad.
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But I also know you love your mom,
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and you want to do right by her.
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What do you mean?
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Well, I mean by testifying.
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For your mom.
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But how can you even be sure it was him?
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I'm sorry.
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Everything I've got points to Russ.
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I have mountains of evidence.
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And you're gonna hear it all
during the trial.
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Okay, so why do you need me?
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Well, I have to prove
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that someone committed a crime.
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And I would hate to force you
to have to testify.
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What are you gonna get?
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I don't... I don't know.
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NARRATOR: As the case grew ever warmer,
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the story traveled, as stories will.
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And a television producer
in Chicago caught the scent.
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HER NAME: Cathy Singer.
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Apologies for the messages, Ms. Askey,
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but we'd really love the chance
to speak with you.
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Again, this is Cathy Singer
with "Dateline."
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You have my number. Thanks.
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Whitney! You there?
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Would you mind finding the number
of the defense attorney for me?
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It's Schwartz something.
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And see what you can dig up
on Pamela Hupp.
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The papers say she was the last person
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- to see the victim alive.
- Will do.
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The prosecutor hasn't
returned my calls yet.
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Hasn't picked up mine either.
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Okay. No, no, yeah.
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Now grab it. Grab it.
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Grab it! Grab it!
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I want to play something else, Mom.
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This one cheats.
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No, no, no, no, honey,
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we already have tokens in this machine.
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Come on, give it another go. Let's go.
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There's a... There's a trick to it.
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- Oh, Chris, good.
- You want help?
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Yeah, we could use your help.
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[LAUGHS] Okay. Let me at it.
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Cold. Cold, cold.
These are gonna be tighter.
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Okay, got it.
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Well, he's scaring the neighbors.
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Don't know what to tell 'em.
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- He's just desperate.
- I know.
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Yeah, he's picking on you
to confuse the jury.
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Yeah.
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I told the whole block
that he'd say anything
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to make his money.
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Well, I'd put his money on us.
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See the lady at the claw machine?
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- Oh, we got it.
- That's our judge.
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Our kids are on the same softball team.
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- No way.
- Way.
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I know, I've known her
since tenth grade.
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We used to call her Cankles. They did.
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They called her Cankles, not me.
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She's a good woman.
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God-fearing.
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A mother like us.
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- Thank God.
- Oh, yeah.
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She's gonna see right through Schwartz.
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Don't worry.
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Here. Join the party!
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[CHUCKLES WEAKLY]
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- Russell.
- Hey.
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These should keep you occupied.
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Volume Two. You remembered.
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[CHUCKLING] Yeah.
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So... we got
the prosecution's witness list.
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They're calling Lily and Mariah.
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You haven't been in touch
with them at all, right?
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No.
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Well, calling them first
tells us her strategy.
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She's gonna be going
after your character.
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They're gonna try to make you out
to be the kind of guy
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who would do something like this.
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Every fight, every argument,
every misunderstanding,
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they're gonna bring it up.
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And we're gonna have to rebut
your daughters' testimonies.
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So anything you got would help.
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Any history of lying or shoplifting?
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna do that.
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And they won't say
anything bad about me.
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I was good to them.
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You're facing life in prison.
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[SCOFFS]
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They're not perfect, but I'm innocent.
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We shouldn't need
to throw my kids under the bus.
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I know. I know you love them.
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And they know it.
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But the stakes are simply too high.
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So Askey just filed six motions.
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- What? Today?
- Yeah.
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It's the other shoe.
The, uh, other, other one.
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Not murder slipper one.
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Do I even want to ask?
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You don't, you didn't,
but I'm gonna tell you.
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The largest shoe is her motion to block
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any implication
that Pam Hupp was involved.
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[CHUCKLES] That's a Hail Mary.
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The judge dismissed it
out of hand, right?
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She wants to hear all the motions
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tomorrow, 7:00 a.m., in chambers.
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Guys, what's that mean?
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Well, it looks like we're facing
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a homecourt advantage, Russ.
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Leah and the judge go all the way back.
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And if Askey can prevent us from showing
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whatever it is that we have on Pam...
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We're in trouble?
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No, no, no. We're fine.
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[SOLEMN MUSIC]
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[EXHALES]
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Mr. Schwartz,
you're known for representing
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murderers and drug dealers.
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Does that mean that Russ Faria's guilty?
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Russ is an innocent man.
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I just want to see justice prevail.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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♪
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[SNORTS]
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Chocolate almond butter cookie cup?
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- They're gluten-free.
- Ooh, no thanks.
266
00:10:45,818 --> 00:10:47,080
Yeah.
267
00:10:47,124 --> 00:10:48,318
Hey, it's what they eat
in California, huh?
268
00:10:48,342 --> 00:10:49,909
[LAUGHTER]
269
00:10:49,953 --> 00:10:51,476
Have a California cookie, Joel.
270
00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:52,956
Yeah. [BOTH LAUGH]
271
00:10:52,999 --> 00:10:54,044
Yeah, thank you.
272
00:10:54,087 --> 00:10:55,610
Leah, you sure you don't want one?
273
00:10:57,432 --> 00:10:58,520
Mmm. So good.
274
00:10:58,563 --> 00:11:00,826
- [CHUCKLES]
- Super rich.
275
00:11:00,870 --> 00:11:02,263
- Yeah.
- Mmm.
276
00:11:02,306 --> 00:11:03,936
- Well, state, you can go ahead.
- Thank you.
277
00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,659
We filed several motions
to, one, preclude the defendant
278
00:11:07,703 --> 00:11:09,357
from bringing into evidence any claims
279
00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,793
about the insurance policy,
280
00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:13,665
and, two, to preclude any evidence
281
00:11:13,709 --> 00:11:15,798
regarding a witness, Pamela Hupp.
282
00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,669
Your Honor, Pamela Hupp
was the last person
283
00:11:17,713 --> 00:11:19,082
- to see Betsy alive.
- You don't know that.
284
00:11:19,106 --> 00:11:20,605
And four days prior to Betsy's murder,
285
00:11:20,629 --> 00:11:22,631
Pamela Hupp became the beneficiary
286
00:11:22,674 --> 00:11:24,633
on Betsy's life insurance policy.
287
00:11:24,676 --> 00:11:26,504
Ah, yes, the insurance policies.
288
00:11:26,548 --> 00:11:28,202
Is there any evidence that shows
289
00:11:28,245 --> 00:11:30,465
that those insurance papers
were done incorrectly
290
00:11:30,508 --> 00:11:33,337
or signed under coercion or anything?
291
00:11:33,381 --> 00:11:34,456
- Uh, no.
- No.
292
00:11:34,481 --> 00:11:35,644
Uh, no. No.
293
00:11:35,687 --> 00:11:37,317
And to be honest,
we're not exactly sure why
294
00:11:37,341 --> 00:11:39,865
Betsy decided to sign
the life insurance policy
295
00:11:39,909 --> 00:11:41,998
over to Mrs. Hupp, but we do have
296
00:11:42,042 --> 00:11:44,131
cell phone records
that prove that she lied
297
00:11:44,174 --> 00:11:45,760
about where she was
at the time of the crime.
298
00:11:45,784 --> 00:11:46,935
Pamela Hupp is not a suspect.
299
00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:48,613
Yeah, well, she should be.
300
00:11:48,657 --> 00:11:50,537
The point of the motion
is to keep the defense
301
00:11:50,572 --> 00:11:53,314
from saying that Mrs. Hupp is a murderer
302
00:11:53,357 --> 00:11:56,230
with no direct evidence
connecting her to a crime.
303
00:11:56,273 --> 00:11:57,492
Unreasonable.
304
00:11:57,535 --> 00:11:59,102
There is no case law that prevents us
305
00:11:59,146 --> 00:12:00,819
from establishing
a third party's connection
306
00:12:00,843 --> 00:12:02,516
- to this crime, okay?
- Ooh, maybe I will have one.
307
00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:04,692
On those grounds alone,
this motion should be denied.
308
00:12:04,716 --> 00:12:08,503
[TENSE MUSIC]
309
00:12:08,546 --> 00:12:09,828
So what do you think, Your Honor?
310
00:12:09,852 --> 00:12:12,507
Um... state's motion is granted.
311
00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:14,987
Insurance policies will only
cause confusion with the jury.
312
00:12:15,031 --> 00:12:17,468
That also goes for Ms. Hupp.
There's no direct evidence here
313
00:12:17,512 --> 00:12:18,774
that connects her to the crime.
314
00:12:18,817 --> 00:12:20,776
Your Honor,
I strenuously object to this...
315
00:12:20,819 --> 00:12:21,820
BOTH: Strenuously?
316
00:12:21,864 --> 00:12:23,170
- Ooh.
- Okay, well, sorry,
317
00:12:23,213 --> 00:12:25,607
but gonna do things
fair and square here, okay?
318
00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:28,610
Don't worry, you'll get your chance
to present your case.
319
00:12:28,653 --> 00:12:30,829
You know what? They can have Pam.
320
00:12:30,873 --> 00:12:33,180
Saudi was just a bonus.
We don't need her.
321
00:12:33,223 --> 00:12:35,399
[VENDING MACHINE CLUNKS]
322
00:12:35,443 --> 00:12:37,880
There she is. Don't look.
323
00:12:39,316 --> 00:12:41,057
I cannot believe that Askey
324
00:12:41,101 --> 00:12:42,991
was gonna let a murderer walk
just to win a case.
325
00:12:43,015 --> 00:12:45,148
Aren't you pretty famous
for doing exactly that?
326
00:12:45,192 --> 00:12:47,716
Okay, wait, here she comes.
Here she comes. Here she comes.
327
00:12:49,892 --> 00:12:51,023
[CLEARS THROAT]
328
00:12:51,067 --> 00:12:53,374
Little something for you boys.
329
00:12:53,417 --> 00:12:56,159
Good luck in there.
330
00:12:56,203 --> 00:13:00,250
Pay Day. That has to be intentional.
331
00:13:00,294 --> 00:13:02,296
You never know with her.
332
00:13:02,339 --> 00:13:04,341
The evidence will show that this crime
333
00:13:04,385 --> 00:13:06,169
was an absolute tragedy.
334
00:13:06,213 --> 00:13:09,085
It was a tragedy
for the Meyer-Faria family.
335
00:13:09,129 --> 00:13:11,783
It was also a tragedy for Russell Faria,
336
00:13:11,827 --> 00:13:13,742
hardworking father to two stepdaughters
337
00:13:13,785 --> 00:13:16,745
who may not have been
his daughters by blood,
338
00:13:16,788 --> 00:13:18,201
but he raised them
as if they were his own.
339
00:13:18,225 --> 00:13:19,443
[PHONE CHIMES AND BUZZES]
340
00:13:19,487 --> 00:13:22,577
"I just got home from my friend's house,
341
00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:24,666
and my wife killed herself."
342
00:13:24,709 --> 00:13:28,148
That's what the defendant said
343
00:13:28,191 --> 00:13:31,716
when he saw his wife lying dead
344
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,198
with 56 stab wounds in her.
345
00:13:35,242 --> 00:13:37,287
[PHONE CHIMES AND BUZZES]
346
00:13:37,331 --> 00:13:39,028
[COUGHS]
347
00:13:39,071 --> 00:13:42,118
Can't believe they put us
all in here together.
348
00:13:42,162 --> 00:13:45,426
In fact, you'll hear him wailing
349
00:13:45,469 --> 00:13:48,907
to the 911 operator,
trying to convince himself
350
00:13:48,951 --> 00:13:51,606
that he didn't just kill his wife.
351
00:13:51,649 --> 00:13:52,955
Okay, Your Honor, objection.
352
00:13:52,998 --> 00:13:55,610
She can't make arguments
in her opening statement.
353
00:13:55,653 --> 00:13:57,655
I'll withdraw. [PHONE CHIMES AND BUZZES]
354
00:13:58,613 --> 00:14:00,963
[COUGHING]
355
00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:03,661
Drink this. Here.
356
00:14:03,705 --> 00:14:05,837
You gotta keep a clear head up there.
357
00:14:05,881 --> 00:14:08,884
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
358
00:14:08,927 --> 00:14:11,974
This is not your average game.
359
00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:13,976
I'm not talking about poker.
360
00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:17,806
Not talking about pool or bowling.
361
00:14:17,849 --> 00:14:20,635
No, this is a game
362
00:14:20,678 --> 00:14:23,551
where grown men
363
00:14:23,594 --> 00:14:25,640
project their fantasies
364
00:14:25,683 --> 00:14:28,817
by ripping the heads off of wizards
365
00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:31,167
and gutting their opponents like fish,
366
00:14:31,211 --> 00:14:33,909
all while drunk and smacked off pot.
367
00:14:33,952 --> 00:14:35,606
Your Honor.
368
00:14:35,650 --> 00:14:37,913
Are you gonna object
to my entire opening statement?
369
00:14:37,956 --> 00:14:39,958
If you keep saying
objectionable things, yeah.
370
00:14:40,002 --> 00:14:42,047
Counselors, let's just move on.
371
00:14:42,091 --> 00:14:44,287
You'll hear evidence that
the defendant was well aware
372
00:14:44,311 --> 00:14:46,704
that Betsy had three insurance policies
373
00:14:46,748 --> 00:14:48,184
- totaling...
- Objection.
374
00:14:48,228 --> 00:14:50,708
I'm asking for a mistrial
based on that statement.
375
00:14:50,752 --> 00:14:52,449
- May we approach?
- [SCOFFS]
376
00:14:54,625 --> 00:14:56,932
The state cannot bring up
insurance policies' existence,
377
00:14:56,975 --> 00:14:58,325
yet keep us from arguing
378
00:14:58,368 --> 00:14:59,761
about the policies being changed.
379
00:14:59,804 --> 00:15:01,850
You just ruled
that that was inadmissible.
380
00:15:01,893 --> 00:15:03,330
No, that's mischaracterization
381
00:15:03,373 --> 00:15:04,872
- of my order.
- No, that's what you said.
382
00:15:04,896 --> 00:15:05,917
- No, no, no.
- No, I'm saying
383
00:15:05,941 --> 00:15:07,551
that the policies go to motive.
384
00:15:07,595 --> 00:15:08,857
When Russ found out
385
00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:10,313
that Betsy gave Pam the policy,
he snapped.
386
00:15:10,337 --> 00:15:12,295
You have no proof to support that claim.
387
00:15:12,339 --> 00:15:13,818
Your Honor, mistrial.
388
00:15:13,862 --> 00:15:15,405
Let's just dial down
the melodrama, okay?
389
00:15:15,429 --> 00:15:17,909
The court will not
be granting a mistrial.
390
00:15:17,953 --> 00:15:20,347
Ms. Askey, are you ready
to call your first witness?
391
00:15:20,390 --> 00:15:22,436
Thank you.
392
00:15:23,915 --> 00:15:25,352
What was that all about?
393
00:15:25,395 --> 00:15:28,224
Well, they're taking away
all of our defenses.
394
00:15:28,268 --> 00:15:30,705
Let's just hope you were right
about your daughter.
395
00:15:30,748 --> 00:15:33,708
[TENSE MUSIC]
396
00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:37,497
♪
397
00:15:56,825 --> 00:15:59,088
How do you know the defendant?
398
00:15:59,132 --> 00:16:00,777
He's my dad.
399
00:16:01,873 --> 00:16:04,050
Well, he... he raised me.
400
00:16:04,093 --> 00:16:06,182
So he's your stepfather.
401
00:16:08,576 --> 00:16:10,328
Can you identify him?
402
00:16:11,231 --> 00:16:13,748
He's over there in the middle,
403
00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:15,409
wearing a gray suit.
404
00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:17,237
Let the record reflect that the witness
405
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,171
has identified the defendant.
406
00:16:21,465 --> 00:16:24,773
So your mother married your stepfather
407
00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:26,550
when you were five.
408
00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:29,597
How would you describe
the family dynamic?
409
00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:32,975
Mom and Dad bickered a lot.
410
00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:37,126
Sometimes it was funny,
like a grumpy old couple.
411
00:16:39,041 --> 00:16:40,956
But sometimes they'd fight.
412
00:16:40,999 --> 00:16:42,305
Can you describe what you mean
413
00:16:42,349 --> 00:16:44,568
by "sometimes they'd fight"?
414
00:16:47,354 --> 00:16:49,867
They cussed at each other,
415
00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:52,787
and they yelled across the house a lot.
416
00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:56,624
Was your stepdad's cursing
directed at your mother?
417
00:16:56,674 --> 00:16:58,546
[SOMBER MUSIC]
418
00:16:58,582 --> 00:16:59,877
Yeah.
419
00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:02,713
Anyone else?
420
00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,215
He, uh...
421
00:17:04,545 --> 00:17:07,844
He cussed at me and my sister too.
422
00:17:08,679 --> 00:17:11,160
Joel, that landed.
423
00:17:11,204 --> 00:17:12,814
Should we be doing something?
424
00:17:12,857 --> 00:17:14,424
No, not yet.
425
00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:18,968
Were you ever fearful of Russ' temper?
426
00:17:19,690 --> 00:17:23,172
At times, yeah.
427
00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:26,563
♪
428
00:17:34,227 --> 00:17:36,229
Nothing further.
429
00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:46,195
Hey, you hang in there, all right?
430
00:17:46,239 --> 00:17:47,868
All right, that's gonna be
the worst of it.
431
00:17:47,892 --> 00:17:52,078
♪
432
00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:59,556
[PLASTIC BOTTLE CRACKLING]
433
00:18:08,913 --> 00:18:10,567
How'd it go?
434
00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:16,530
Did you tell them about the yelling?
435
00:18:18,967 --> 00:18:22,100
[SNIFFLING]
436
00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:28,933
- Dad...
- Let him go.
437
00:18:28,977 --> 00:18:31,980
- Let him go.
- [SOBS]
438
00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:33,199
Dad.
439
00:18:33,242 --> 00:18:35,853
All you did was tell the truth.
440
00:18:35,897 --> 00:18:37,246
God knows.
441
00:18:38,813 --> 00:18:41,381
- Hey.
- [SOBBING]
442
00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:44,166
Your mom would be so proud of you.
443
00:18:47,952 --> 00:18:49,258
[PHONE CHIMES AND BUZZES]
444
00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,218
[TENSE MUSIC]
445
00:18:52,261 --> 00:18:56,360
♪
446
00:18:59,137 --> 00:19:02,793
- [SIGHS]
- What happened?
447
00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,273
Leah doesn't need me.
448
00:19:04,317 --> 00:19:05,555
Schwartz is too scared to call me up.
449
00:19:05,579 --> 00:19:08,625
[GROANS] Oh, he's a son of a bitch.
450
00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:09,887
Yeah.
451
00:19:09,931 --> 00:19:12,542
You know, he's trying to act like my car
452
00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:15,676
wasn't in my driveway
when I called Janet and Betsy.
453
00:19:15,719 --> 00:19:18,940
[SCOFFS] That dummy should know.
454
00:19:18,983 --> 00:19:20,811
We can track any phone.
455
00:19:20,855 --> 00:19:24,032
- Yeah, you can.
- Yeah.
456
00:19:24,075 --> 00:19:26,295
You're gonna kill it up there.
457
00:19:26,339 --> 00:19:29,211
Thanks for being so cool
through all this.
458
00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:30,865
Yeah. It's been hard.
459
00:19:30,908 --> 00:19:33,433
Kind of stuff that keeps you
up at night, you know?
460
00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:36,827
And I already got a bad back. [CHUCKLES]
461
00:19:36,871 --> 00:19:39,787
Ugh, this whole thing's been a mess.
462
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:41,919
Not that you didn't do a great job.
463
00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:43,878
Really.
464
00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:45,358
Really great.
465
00:19:45,401 --> 00:19:47,969
But now I'm gonna...
466
00:19:48,012 --> 00:19:49,797
I got it from here.
467
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,540
Detective Merkel...
468
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:57,370
you stated there was blood
469
00:19:57,413 --> 00:20:01,069
all over the living room,
but none on the defendant.
470
00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:03,332
Is that unusual?
471
00:20:03,376 --> 00:20:04,657
I wouldn't say that it's unusual,
472
00:20:04,681 --> 00:20:06,640
but it's something that gave me pause.
473
00:20:06,683 --> 00:20:08,076
Could he have washed it off?
474
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,217
It's very possible.
475
00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:12,123
Calls for speculation.
476
00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:13,560
I'll rephrase.
477
00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:17,215
Did you look for blood
478
00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:19,479
that could have been washed up
479
00:20:19,522 --> 00:20:21,132
after Betsy was murdered?
480
00:20:21,176 --> 00:20:23,004
- We did.
- And what did you find?
481
00:20:23,047 --> 00:20:24,919
We found that blood had been cleaned up
482
00:20:24,962 --> 00:20:27,400
at the scene, in the kitchen.
483
00:20:27,443 --> 00:20:28,749
How do you know this?
484
00:20:28,792 --> 00:20:30,664
Luminol photos were taken at the scene.
485
00:20:30,707 --> 00:20:33,754
Those photos indicated
the perpetrator cleaned up.
486
00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:35,364
Objection, Your Honor.
487
00:20:35,408 --> 00:20:36,472
We've never seen these photos.
488
00:20:36,496 --> 00:20:38,280
Nothing further.
489
00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:40,500
When you reviewed the so-called photos
490
00:20:40,543 --> 00:20:42,893
in question, uh, what did they show?
491
00:20:42,937 --> 00:20:44,025
Absolutely nothing.
492
00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:45,200
Absolutely nothing.
493
00:20:45,243 --> 00:20:46,984
And why is that?
494
00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:48,856
The camera malfunctioned.
495
00:20:48,899 --> 00:20:51,249
So there is no actual proof
of a cleanup.
496
00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:53,861
The photos were damaged,
but I saw the blood reaction
497
00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:55,428
to the luminol solution,
498
00:20:55,471 --> 00:20:57,517
and there was blood in the kitchen.
499
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,605
So there is no proof.
500
00:20:58,648 --> 00:20:59,843
- Mr. Schwartz...
- There's no proof.
501
00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:02,217
Mr. Schwartz, I suggest
you just move on.
502
00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:03,958
[INTENSE MUSIC]
503
00:21:04,001 --> 00:21:06,395
And you sent officers
to confirm the alibis
504
00:21:06,439 --> 00:21:07,527
of Sean Walker...
505
00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:09,964
Objection. Hearsay.
506
00:21:10,007 --> 00:21:12,314
I'm asking what he sent
the officers to do.
507
00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:13,533
But also what they learned,
508
00:21:13,576 --> 00:21:15,535
so, actually, double hearsay.
509
00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:16,903
Are you... [GAVEL BANGS] Kidding me?
510
00:21:16,927 --> 00:21:18,886
Enough, Mr. Schwartz. Enough.
511
00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:20,540
I won't hesitate
to hold you in contempt.
512
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:21,865
- Okay, Your Honor...
- Okay, that's it.
513
00:21:21,889 --> 00:21:23,020
That's lunch.
514
00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:24,500
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
515
00:21:24,544 --> 00:21:26,720
My God, that was brutal.
516
00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:29,679
Askey really put a dent
in the Saudi defense.
517
00:21:29,723 --> 00:21:31,289
- Swanson.
- Mike Warren.
518
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,074
- Hey.
- Hey.
519
00:21:33,117 --> 00:21:34,292
You're working in Troy?
520
00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,382
DA's office. Nothing major.
521
00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:38,427
DUI jockey, parking tickets.
522
00:21:38,471 --> 00:21:40,168
I'm here on the Faria case.
523
00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:41,363
Uh, Mike, this is Joel Schwartz.
524
00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:42,518
I know.
525
00:21:42,562 --> 00:21:44,085
I actually watched it all go down.
526
00:21:44,128 --> 00:21:45,913
Yeah, down's the word.
527
00:21:45,956 --> 00:21:47,499
I'll let you guys tend to your wounds.
528
00:21:47,523 --> 00:21:48,916
- Good luck.
- Hey.
529
00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:51,919
- Nice to meet you, Mike.
- Good to see you.
530
00:21:51,962 --> 00:21:52,963
Mike went to law school
531
00:21:53,007 --> 00:21:54,367
with one of my fraternity brothers.
532
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,099
- He's a good guy.
- Oh, small world.
533
00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,014
Small town.
534
00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:03,278
[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]
535
00:22:03,321 --> 00:22:06,107
Are you okay?
536
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:09,589
Yeah.
537
00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:11,634
That reporter was right, though.
538
00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:14,463
I have represented some very bad people.
539
00:22:14,507 --> 00:22:16,770
Okay, but you're not now.
540
00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:18,380
Don't they say every defense attorney's
541
00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:20,426
- gotta do one good thing?
- [CHUCKLES]
542
00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:23,341
My one good thing.
543
00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,605
We should get back to strategy.
544
00:22:25,648 --> 00:22:28,782
How to get through Pam Hupp.
545
00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:33,003
- All right, we sink her...
- We sink Askey.
546
00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:35,484
All right, we know
she's gonna lie, right?
547
00:22:35,528 --> 00:22:37,312
So we have to hold her to one story.
548
00:22:37,355 --> 00:22:38,792
Yeah, it's not easy.
549
00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:41,142
I mean, she's created
this entire web of lies.
550
00:22:41,185 --> 00:22:42,578
Everyone is caught in it.
551
00:22:42,622 --> 00:22:45,015
Yeah, well, not us.
552
00:22:45,059 --> 00:22:46,539
No sir.
553
00:22:46,582 --> 00:22:49,542
NARRATOR: Funny thing about spider webs,
554
00:22:49,585 --> 00:22:51,805
they're deceptive.
555
00:22:51,848 --> 00:22:54,851
People think a web is there
to catch the prey
556
00:22:54,895 --> 00:22:58,942
when the web is really there
to protect the spider.
557
00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:01,902
The prosecution calls
Pamela Hupp to the stand.
558
00:23:01,945 --> 00:23:04,905
[SINISTER MUSIC]
559
00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:07,761
♪
560
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:22,096
So Bets came over one day
561
00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:23,706
complaining about gaining weight.
562
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:25,969
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
563
00:23:26,013 --> 00:23:28,319
Her stomach was real bloated.
564
00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,539
[MONITOR BEEPING]
565
00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:33,411
I didn't think it was fat.
566
00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:34,848
I told her...
567
00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:37,154
that's a sign of cancer.
568
00:23:37,198 --> 00:23:38,591
So you were the one that told her
569
00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:39,853
to go to the doctor.
570
00:23:39,896 --> 00:23:41,855
- Mm.
- What?
571
00:23:41,898 --> 00:23:42,943
Shh.
572
00:23:42,986 --> 00:23:45,946
[SOLEMN MUSIC]
573
00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:47,556
♪
574
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,471
Thank you.
575
00:23:49,515 --> 00:23:52,256
Yeah. Correct.
576
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,955
And that's when she found out
577
00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:59,612
that the cancer came back in her liver.
578
00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:02,789
[SNIFFS] She didn't take it well.
579
00:24:02,832 --> 00:24:04,965
And I knew she was gonna need me,
580
00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:07,184
so I made sure to be by her side,
581
00:24:07,228 --> 00:24:11,798
keeping her busy,
even when I could barely drive.
582
00:24:11,841 --> 00:24:14,452
You could barely drive? Why is that?
583
00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:15,584
[CLICKS TONGUE]
584
00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:19,283
I'm disabled.
585
00:24:19,327 --> 00:24:21,634
Um, I...
586
00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:23,592
I lost some disks.
587
00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:26,377
Got a plate in my neck
588
00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:28,597
and a TENS unit
589
00:24:28,641 --> 00:24:32,645
to stimulate the nerves
down my left leg.
590
00:24:32,688 --> 00:24:34,516
But I'm fine.
591
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,345
Doing great.
592
00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,521
Had to, for Bets.
593
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:42,916
And while you were
getting to know Betsy,
594
00:24:42,959 --> 00:24:45,353
did you spend any time with her husband?
595
00:24:47,007 --> 00:24:50,184
Um, I'd go over to her house a lot,
596
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:53,666
and he'd be there sometimes,
597
00:24:53,709 --> 00:24:57,626
you know, hanging out, smoking.
598
00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,802
The defendant would smoke
in front of his wife
599
00:24:59,846 --> 00:25:01,543
who was dying of cancer?
600
00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,371
I've never smoked around Pam.
601
00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:05,068
She... she couldn't name
the brand I use.
602
00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:06,853
- She hardly knows me.
- Okay, okay.
603
00:25:06,896 --> 00:25:08,332
Don't worry, I'll get her on cross.
604
00:25:08,376 --> 00:25:10,136
It's one of the reasons
me and my husband, Mark,
605
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,076
never socialized with him.
606
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,078
And Betsy...
607
00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:17,428
she was afraid.
608
00:25:17,472 --> 00:25:18,576
Oh, boy.
609
00:25:18,601 --> 00:25:21,256
He could be scary at times.
610
00:25:22,433 --> 00:25:25,523
But I stuck around, for Betsy.
611
00:25:28,265 --> 00:25:32,182
You testified that Russ was degrading,
612
00:25:32,226 --> 00:25:34,073
but you told officers
that you didn't know him well,
613
00:25:34,097 --> 00:25:36,709
and that you'd only met him three times.
614
00:25:36,752 --> 00:25:38,493
Mm.
615
00:25:38,536 --> 00:25:40,582
I don't know.
616
00:25:40,626 --> 00:25:41,714
Probably.
617
00:25:41,757 --> 00:25:43,411
So you didn't tell officers that?
618
00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:44,814
Oh, I'm not saying that, I just...
619
00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:46,283
I just don't remember.
620
00:25:46,327 --> 00:25:50,070
Don't forget, you know,
brain injury over here.
621
00:25:50,113 --> 00:25:52,376
Well, would it refresh your recollection
622
00:25:52,420 --> 00:25:54,683
if I showed you the statement
you gave police?
623
00:25:54,727 --> 00:25:56,903
No, it wouldn't.
624
00:25:56,946 --> 00:25:58,054
What if I played you the recording
625
00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:59,383
with you on it?
626
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:01,472
Well, if you said
I said it, that's fine.
627
00:26:01,516 --> 00:26:03,561
Alls I'm saying is
that Betsy talked about it
628
00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:04,658
all the time.
629
00:26:04,683 --> 00:26:06,303
Everyone knew.
630
00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,436
Let's jump ahead
to the night of Betsy's murder.
631
00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:10,109
You took her home,
even though she told you
632
00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:11,265
she didn't need a ride?
633
00:26:11,308 --> 00:26:12,919
I'm sorry, what is the question?
634
00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:16,183
I'll rephrase.
635
00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,619
Hours before Betsy's death,
636
00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,708
you volunteered to drive her
to her home in Troy.
637
00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:21,797
No. She asked me.
638
00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,017
She didn't tell you
she already had a ride?
639
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,758
She asked me, could I take her,
640
00:26:25,801 --> 00:26:28,151
and then she would tell Russ.
641
00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,042
I'm sorry, I'm just trying
to make this make sense.
642
00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:33,591
So you drove to Betsy's mother's house,
643
00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:35,724
found out she didn't need a ride,
644
00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:37,465
but you took her home anyway.
645
00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:40,250
What, were you trying to track her down?
646
00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:42,426
"Track her down"?
647
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,602
I knew she was at her mom's.
648
00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:46,866
I didn't have to track her down.
649
00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:49,607
So when you got to Betsy's house,
650
00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:51,740
you knew what time it was
because you made a call
651
00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:54,003
to your husband at 7:04 p.m., correct?
652
00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:56,789
Mm-hmm. Betsy wanted to chat.
653
00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:58,312
They hadn't talked in a while.
654
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,618
Mm-hmm, and you stayed
for, what, 20 minutes?
655
00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,490
Not sure.
656
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:05,449
Well, initially, you told police that...
657
00:27:05,493 --> 00:27:07,103
That you never went in the house.
658
00:27:07,147 --> 00:27:08,757
Not what I said.
659
00:27:08,801 --> 00:27:10,324
Did you go in the house? Yes or no?
660
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,326
No, I did go in the house.
661
00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:13,564
Well, then you changed your story.
662
00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:14,607
No.
663
00:27:14,632 --> 00:27:16,475
No, I didn't change my story.
664
00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:19,072
I just didn't remember at the time.
665
00:27:19,115 --> 00:27:20,464
I mean...
666
00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:23,337
my friend was just murdered.
667
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:26,383
So I told them the real story later.
668
00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:29,038
The... the real story.
669
00:27:29,082 --> 00:27:31,606
[LAUGHS]
670
00:27:31,649 --> 00:27:34,827
Mrs. Hupp, what do you remember?
671
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:37,786
[TENSE MUSIC]
672
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:39,701
I don't know.
673
00:27:39,745 --> 00:27:41,834
I feel like you're trying
to get me to say something
674
00:27:41,877 --> 00:27:43,183
that I don't remember.
675
00:27:43,226 --> 00:27:45,098
Your Honor, this feels personal.
676
00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:48,797
Look, I'm simply questioning
Mrs. Hupp's inconsistencies,
677
00:27:48,841 --> 00:27:50,514
something nobody else has done
even though she was
678
00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,192
the last person to see Betsy alive.
679
00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,889
This is improper impeachment.
680
00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:55,151
This is not impeachment.
681
00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,563
These are her words. It's what she said.
682
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:58,285
He's trying to blame her.
683
00:27:58,328 --> 00:27:59,653
Yeah, Mr. Schwartz, I'm gonna ask you
684
00:27:59,677 --> 00:28:01,307
to please refrain
from bullying the witness.
685
00:28:01,331 --> 00:28:03,203
Ms. Hupp is not on trial.
686
00:28:03,246 --> 00:28:04,378
Okay, fine.
687
00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,902
Mrs. Hupp, a few more questions.
688
00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:09,383
On December 23rd,
689
00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:11,515
four days before Betsy's murder,
690
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,301
she made you the beneficiary
of a life insurance policy
691
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,061
that had been in Russ' name
for eight years.
692
00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:17,695
Objection, it's been decided
693
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:20,089
counsel cannot question Mrs. Hupp
694
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,483
regarding insurance policies.
695
00:28:22,526 --> 00:28:24,461
Where's... where's the line
of questioning going here?
696
00:28:24,485 --> 00:28:26,574
It's an offer of proof.
697
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,359
It is no different than Askey suggesting
698
00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:30,839
Russ' connection to the policy,
699
00:28:30,883 --> 00:28:33,711
if I could just get
a little bit of latitude here.
700
00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,017
Okay, fine.
701
00:28:35,061 --> 00:28:36,473
In the interest of balance,
I'll consider it.
702
00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:37,759
- Okay.
- Okay.
703
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,717
Oh, uh, but I just...
704
00:28:39,761 --> 00:28:41,173
I want to hear it first before deciding
705
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:43,591
if the jury's gonna hear it, okay?
706
00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:45,071
I just want to hear it first.
707
00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:46,812
Uh, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
708
00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:48,988
the court will now excuse you
for just a brief moment
709
00:28:49,031 --> 00:28:50,226
while the defendant here provides me
710
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:51,642
with an offer of proof.
711
00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:53,340
Thank you.
712
00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:55,168
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
713
00:28:57,126 --> 00:28:58,258
What you got?
714
00:28:58,301 --> 00:29:01,957
I submit defendant's exhibit C.
715
00:29:02,001 --> 00:29:03,132
- Mm-hmm.
- That is a copy
716
00:29:03,176 --> 00:29:04,786
of the adjusted policy.
717
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:07,615
Mrs. Hupp, why did Betsy
make you the beneficiary
718
00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:09,095
on the policy instead of somebody
719
00:29:09,138 --> 00:29:10,270
in her own family?
720
00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:11,575
Betsy wanted to make sure
721
00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:13,577
her daughters got the money,
722
00:29:13,621 --> 00:29:16,885
and she couldn't trust Russ to do that.
723
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:19,322
Why did you tell the insurance company
724
00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:22,804
to give Betsy's daughters
no money because
725
00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:24,197
"Lily was on drugs
726
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,069
and Mariah had blown money away before"?
727
00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:29,028
Say that again?
728
00:29:29,071 --> 00:29:31,639
You said that Lily was on drugs
729
00:29:31,682 --> 00:29:33,946
and Mariah had blown money away before.
730
00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:36,078
No. No. No, no, no, no.
731
00:29:36,122 --> 00:29:37,123
Not how I worded it.
732
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:38,951
I have a business record proving
733
00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:40,169
that these are your words.
734
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,389
I'm going through menopause.
735
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:45,305
And it's been a long time.
736
00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,133
I cannot tell you every detail
737
00:29:47,176 --> 00:29:49,309
of everything that I said.
738
00:29:49,352 --> 00:29:50,963
- Your Honor...
- But I didn't say that.
739
00:29:51,006 --> 00:29:54,140
It is paramount that the jury
hears these answers.
740
00:29:54,183 --> 00:29:55,663
It will show that the wrong person
741
00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,317
- is on trial here.
- Mr. Schwartz,
742
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,319
I just don't see
the connection to Ms. Hupp.
743
00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:00,513
The state has questioned her.
744
00:30:00,537 --> 00:30:02,670
They found no motive. No evidence.
745
00:30:02,713 --> 00:30:04,474
I think it's unnecessary,
and honestly, I think
746
00:30:04,498 --> 00:30:07,588
it's just a little unfair
to keep pointing the finger
747
00:30:07,631 --> 00:30:10,156
at somebody who's not even a suspect.
748
00:30:10,199 --> 00:30:11,679
All right.
749
00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:13,682
Let the record show
that I'd asked for a mistrial.
750
00:30:16,075 --> 00:30:19,669
♪
751
00:30:34,745 --> 00:30:37,270
Did she have that limp before?
752
00:30:37,313 --> 00:30:39,098
No.
753
00:30:39,141 --> 00:30:41,317
No, she did not.
754
00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:47,497
[DOOR CREAKS]
755
00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:51,303
- What you heard in there...
- You lied to us.
756
00:30:51,327 --> 00:30:52,981
Wasn't true. I didn't lie to you.
757
00:30:53,025 --> 00:30:54,417
I didn't. It's just...
758
00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:57,507
I didn't tell you the truth
to save your feelings.
759
00:30:57,551 --> 00:30:59,292
Just give us our money, Pam.
760
00:30:59,335 --> 00:31:01,294
- Or we'll sue you.
- Listen, okay?
761
00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:02,686
I promised your mom that I would
762
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:04,819
look after you girls,
and that's what I'm doing.
763
00:31:04,862 --> 00:31:06,342
Hand to God.
764
00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:08,388
We'll believe you once we get our money.
765
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,346
Excuse me.
766
00:31:12,609 --> 00:31:14,916
What am I supposed to do?
767
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,398
I set up that trust, and...
And now they want to sue me.
768
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:20,487
- [SIGHS]
- That won't look good.
769
00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:22,315
Not for anyone.
770
00:31:23,446 --> 00:31:24,970
I'll take care of it.
771
00:31:25,013 --> 00:31:29,068
♪
772
00:31:33,005 --> 00:31:35,154
What happened to all the peanuts?
773
00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:37,547
They keep eating all the peanuts.
774
00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:39,375
You know, you keep
feeding them like that,
775
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:40,507
they'll never go away.
776
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:41,943
[LAUGHS]
777
00:31:41,987 --> 00:31:44,728
Why would I ever want them to go away?
778
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:45,991
Right.
779
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,775
Oh, you were so great on the stand.
780
00:31:47,818 --> 00:31:49,211
You're such a tough girl.
781
00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:51,039
And, oh, I just can't believe
I'm seeing it.
782
00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:53,389
It's all live. It's just like a movie.
783
00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:55,609
And it's all anybody's talking about.
784
00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,046
And "Dateline" is here.
785
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:59,395
- Oh, yeah?
- Yeah.
786
00:31:59,446 --> 00:32:01,404
This lady came up to me,
Cathy something.
787
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:03,051
She gave me her card.
788
00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:05,254
- Was she wearing a suit?
- Yes.
789
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:06,560
She is a big-time producer.
790
00:32:06,603 --> 00:32:08,692
They're making a whole show about Betsy.
791
00:32:08,736 --> 00:32:10,128
She's very sweet,
792
00:32:10,172 --> 00:32:12,261
and she asked me about you too.
793
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:13,847
- What'd you tell her?
- Just that you were
794
00:32:13,871 --> 00:32:16,134
Betsy's best friend, and...
795
00:32:16,178 --> 00:32:18,398
And I'm sure
she's gonna reach out to you.
796
00:32:18,441 --> 00:32:19,964
Wow. [BOTH LAUGH]
797
00:32:20,008 --> 00:32:22,184
All these people asking questions
798
00:32:22,228 --> 00:32:24,142
that are none of their business.
799
00:32:24,186 --> 00:32:26,057
And you keep talking to 'em.
800
00:32:26,101 --> 00:32:28,146
[TENSE MUSIC]
801
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:31,280
Well... so, you excited
about closing arguments?
802
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,718
No. I did my part.
803
00:32:34,762 --> 00:32:36,154
Oh, okay.
804
00:32:36,198 --> 00:32:38,026
Well... [CHUCKLES]
805
00:32:38,069 --> 00:32:39,636
Can't let my squirrels go hungry
806
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,638
because, you know, Bushy Tail
is always stealing
807
00:32:41,682 --> 00:32:44,772
Skinny Tail's share,
so I'll... I'll see you later.
808
00:32:44,815 --> 00:32:46,402
NARRATOR: It's hard to know
when you've stepped
809
00:32:46,426 --> 00:32:49,037
on a land mine with Pam Hupp.
810
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,300
The explosion may take its time.
811
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:53,302
How do you know Russell Faria?
812
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:57,001
We met playing games about 15 years ago.
813
00:32:57,045 --> 00:32:58,873
Every Tuesday at my place.
814
00:32:58,916 --> 00:33:00,198
Playing games? What do you mean?
815
00:33:00,222 --> 00:33:03,486
Card games, board games,
816
00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:07,185
Warhammer, Dungeons & Dragons,
Witch Warriors.
817
00:33:07,229 --> 00:33:08,796
Can you explain those a little?
818
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,450
Role-playing games.
819
00:33:10,493 --> 00:33:11,929
I'm an elf king.
820
00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:14,671
Russ was a archer monk.
821
00:33:14,715 --> 00:33:17,326
He could fly.
822
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:19,285
Tell me about December 27th.
823
00:33:19,328 --> 00:33:23,158
Well, we finally attacked
the Lord of Entropy.
824
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:25,813
We had some beers,
825
00:33:25,856 --> 00:33:27,641
smoked a little you-know-what.
826
00:33:27,684 --> 00:33:31,862
We spoke to the police three times,
827
00:33:31,906 --> 00:33:33,951
together and separately.
828
00:33:33,995 --> 00:33:35,605
And your story has never changed?
829
00:33:35,649 --> 00:33:36,693
Not once.
830
00:33:36,737 --> 00:33:37,868
I can guarantee you
831
00:33:37,912 --> 00:33:41,785
between the hours of 6:00 and 9:00 p.m.,
832
00:33:41,829 --> 00:33:43,526
Russ was at my place,
833
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:44,875
sitting next to the five of us.
834
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:46,094
Greg Chatton.
835
00:33:46,137 --> 00:33:48,357
I am a computer forensic specialist,
836
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:50,881
qualified as an expert
in cellular mapping.
837
00:33:50,925 --> 00:33:52,709
We were able to track
the defendant's phone
838
00:33:52,753 --> 00:33:54,494
because a cell phone will connect
839
00:33:54,537 --> 00:33:56,234
to the tower with the strongest signal.
840
00:33:56,278 --> 00:33:57,323
From those towers,
841
00:33:57,366 --> 00:33:58,715
we can approximate his location.
842
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,196
And at 9:09 p.m., Russell Faria's phone
843
00:34:01,239 --> 00:34:03,067
was at least ten miles from his home.
844
00:34:03,111 --> 00:34:05,679
And you were able to put him
at or near the Arby's
845
00:34:05,722 --> 00:34:07,178
at the time of the time-stamped receipt?
846
00:34:07,202 --> 00:34:08,246
Yes.
847
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:10,423
The way I see it,
848
00:34:10,466 --> 00:34:14,165
he can't be two places at one time,
849
00:34:14,209 --> 00:34:16,559
so...
850
00:34:16,603 --> 00:34:19,214
Okay, let's just take a brief recess
851
00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:20,650
before hearing closing arguments.
852
00:34:20,694 --> 00:34:21,695
[GAVEL BANGS]
853
00:34:21,738 --> 00:34:23,261
[GRUNTS] Just a little further.
854
00:34:23,305 --> 00:34:25,263
- Let it hurt.
- You can do it.
855
00:34:25,307 --> 00:34:27,657
[GRUNTING] [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
856
00:34:27,701 --> 00:34:29,572
You're so close!
857
00:34:29,616 --> 00:34:32,532
[ALL CHEERING]
858
00:34:34,316 --> 00:34:35,598
I can't believe Joel's gonna rest
859
00:34:35,622 --> 00:34:37,754
his entire case on four man-babies.
860
00:34:37,798 --> 00:34:39,016
Look at them.
861
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:40,757
Save me those pretzels, baby.
862
00:34:40,801 --> 00:34:42,193
Save me those pretzels.
863
00:34:42,237 --> 00:34:44,500
Man versus machine, battle of the ages.
864
00:34:44,544 --> 00:34:46,284
She's realizing she blew it.
865
00:34:46,328 --> 00:34:48,286
I don't really think she has that
866
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:50,071
- in her character.
- Oh, come on.
867
00:34:50,114 --> 00:34:51,420
She made Russ look like a killer,
868
00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:52,769
she kept us away from Pam,
869
00:34:52,813 --> 00:34:55,076
but she never told us
how he could have done it.
870
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,295
She never touched the alibi witnesses,
871
00:34:57,339 --> 00:34:58,447
never explained the Arby's receipt,
872
00:34:58,471 --> 00:34:59,602
game night, any of it.
873
00:34:59,646 --> 00:35:01,517
She never told a cohesive story.
874
00:35:01,561 --> 00:35:04,085
That is reasonable doubt 100%,
and she knows it.
875
00:35:04,128 --> 00:35:07,088
For the last three days,
876
00:35:07,131 --> 00:35:11,919
we have heard all about
Betsy Faria's death.
877
00:35:13,268 --> 00:35:16,184
But for just a minute,
878
00:35:16,227 --> 00:35:19,753
I want to talk to you about her life.
879
00:35:19,796 --> 00:35:21,668
Who was Betsy?
880
00:35:21,711 --> 00:35:23,757
She was a mom.
881
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,194
She had two daughters.
882
00:35:26,237 --> 00:35:28,152
She loved music,
883
00:35:28,196 --> 00:35:29,980
and she loved to DJ.
884
00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:32,461
Let's talk about proof.
885
00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:34,245
She talked about reasonable doubt.
886
00:35:34,289 --> 00:35:35,875
Let's not go
to reasonable doubt, not yet.
887
00:35:35,899 --> 00:35:37,510
Proof.
888
00:35:37,553 --> 00:35:39,816
Who else was Betsy Faria?
889
00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:43,907
I think she was a victim
of domestic violence.
890
00:35:43,951 --> 00:35:45,474
We heard from her daughters,
891
00:35:45,518 --> 00:35:48,477
we heard from her close friend,
Pam Hupp,
892
00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:51,828
that there were a lot of arguments,
893
00:35:51,872 --> 00:35:55,702
profanity, disrespect.
894
00:35:55,745 --> 00:35:58,705
That's just the shred
of what we got to see
895
00:35:58,748 --> 00:35:59,832
into her life.
896
00:35:59,857 --> 00:36:02,578
There were no wounds on Russ.
897
00:36:02,622 --> 00:36:03,686
There wasn't even a scratch.
898
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:05,015
He had no blood on his hands,
899
00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:07,191
no blood underneath
his fingernails, nothing.
900
00:36:07,235 --> 00:36:09,542
He's cunning.
901
00:36:09,585 --> 00:36:13,720
He made all these stops
to establish an alibi.
902
00:36:13,763 --> 00:36:17,898
But I am here to tell you
that nothing is what it seems.
903
00:36:17,941 --> 00:36:20,466
We know that Russ went to the pet store.
904
00:36:20,509 --> 00:36:22,250
And thanks to a time-stamped receipt,
905
00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:23,686
confirmed by cell phone data,
906
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:26,210
we know that he simply
didn't have enough time
907
00:36:26,254 --> 00:36:27,516
to get his food, to drive home,
908
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,779
to murder his wife, to take a shower,
909
00:36:29,823 --> 00:36:31,172
call the police...
910
00:36:31,215 --> 00:36:33,043
It is impossible.
911
00:36:33,087 --> 00:36:36,656
I think he got a steak knife
from his own kitchen,
912
00:36:36,699 --> 00:36:40,529
I think he stood over his wife,
913
00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:43,227
and he stabbed her.
914
00:36:43,271 --> 00:36:45,969
This was personal.
915
00:36:46,013 --> 00:36:47,928
But then get got careless.
916
00:36:47,971 --> 00:36:49,538
He took a shower,
917
00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,322
getting rid of any evidence.
918
00:36:51,366 --> 00:36:52,454
He thought of everything.
919
00:36:52,498 --> 00:36:55,544
It was perfectly staged,
920
00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:58,155
except the slippers.
921
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,550
He forgot about the slippers
when he stepped in her blood.
922
00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:03,900
Don't be fooled by these slippers.
923
00:37:03,944 --> 00:37:05,249
There was no blood on the bottom
924
00:37:05,293 --> 00:37:07,556
of the slippers, only on the top,
925
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,081
as if they were dipped in blood.
926
00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:14,258
And there was a lot of blood
at the residence,
927
00:37:14,302 --> 00:37:16,957
but not one iota on the defendant.
928
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,700
And why wasn't there
any blood on his clothes?
929
00:37:22,963 --> 00:37:25,618
I don't think he was wearing clothes.
930
00:37:25,661 --> 00:37:28,751
And folks, I am gonna tell you
that I don't think
931
00:37:28,795 --> 00:37:33,408
this stabbing was suicide
or even looked like one.
932
00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:35,758
Today, you saw four people testify
933
00:37:35,802 --> 00:37:38,456
that they were with Russ
at the time of the murder.
934
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,328
Now that... that's proof.
935
00:37:40,371 --> 00:37:42,112
Sure.
936
00:37:42,156 --> 00:37:44,506
Russ went home to Troy.
937
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:47,030
But then I submit to you
938
00:37:47,074 --> 00:37:50,556
that Sean Walker went
to the Arby's, not Russ.
939
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,427
Walker got the receipts.
940
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:54,995
He drove to Russell's in Troy.
941
00:37:55,038 --> 00:37:56,605
They exchanged phones.
942
00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:58,041
They all text.
943
00:37:58,085 --> 00:37:59,347
They coordinate,
944
00:37:59,390 --> 00:38:02,480
making sure the defendant's alibi
945
00:38:02,524 --> 00:38:04,091
- is sealed.
- Your Honor,
946
00:38:04,134 --> 00:38:07,311
she just accused four people
of being complicit to a murder
947
00:38:07,355 --> 00:38:08,506
without a sliver of evidence.
948
00:38:08,530 --> 00:38:10,488
This goes to planning, accomplices.
949
00:38:10,532 --> 00:38:12,403
Yeah, I'm gonna allow it.
950
00:38:12,447 --> 00:38:14,580
I think he had help.
951
00:38:14,623 --> 00:38:18,496
They all helped him kill Betsy.
952
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:20,977
They were all in on it.
953
00:38:21,021 --> 00:38:24,415
♪
954
00:38:24,459 --> 00:38:25,610
What do you think it feels like to be
955
00:38:25,634 --> 00:38:27,636
one of these four right now, huh?
956
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,117
At home just hanging out,
playing board games,
957
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,424
and then some desperate person
accuses you
958
00:38:33,468 --> 00:38:34,991
of being an accomplice to a murder.
959
00:38:35,035 --> 00:38:37,907
That is insane.
That is absolutely insane.
960
00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:39,561
We have video. We have receipts.
961
00:38:39,605 --> 00:38:41,650
We have eyewitnesses.
962
00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:45,088
Shame on anybody who's judging Russ.
963
00:38:45,132 --> 00:38:47,351
Shame on anyone
who's judging Russ' grief.
964
00:38:47,395 --> 00:38:49,049
Shame, shame, shame.
965
00:38:49,092 --> 00:38:51,051
Leah Askey has no proof
966
00:38:51,094 --> 00:38:53,836
that connects Russ to Betsy's murder.
967
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,144
Russ could not be
in two places at one time.
968
00:38:57,187 --> 00:39:00,538
Find him not guilty, please,
969
00:39:00,582 --> 00:39:03,846
because he's an innocent man.
970
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:05,587
Thank you.
971
00:39:08,503 --> 00:39:10,723
Well, it's in the jury's hands now.
972
00:39:14,161 --> 00:39:15,399
Would the defendant please rise
973
00:39:15,423 --> 00:39:16,685
to receive the verdict?
974
00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:19,645
[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC]
975
00:39:19,688 --> 00:39:21,951
♪
976
00:39:21,995 --> 00:39:23,692
[CLEARS THROAT]
977
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:29,872
"As to count one, we the jury find
978
00:39:29,916 --> 00:39:34,876
Russell Faria guilty
of murder in the first degree."
979
00:39:35,269 --> 00:39:39,229
No! [CROWD MUTTERING]
980
00:39:39,273 --> 00:39:41,188
[BOTH CRYING]
981
00:39:41,231 --> 00:39:42,406
"We declare the punishment
982
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:43,470
for murder in the first degree"...
983
00:39:43,494 --> 00:39:44,800
Yes!
984
00:39:44,844 --> 00:39:46,410
"Is imprisonment for life
985
00:39:46,454 --> 00:39:49,587
"without the eligibility for parole.
986
00:39:49,631 --> 00:39:52,199
"As to count two, we the jury find
987
00:39:52,242 --> 00:39:55,419
Russell Faria guilty
of armed criminal action."
988
00:39:55,463 --> 00:39:58,422
[SOLEMN MUSIC]
989
00:39:58,466 --> 00:40:01,614
♪
990
00:40:04,515 --> 00:40:05,821
We love you, Russ.
991
00:40:08,606 --> 00:40:11,697
[APPLAUSE]
992
00:40:17,964 --> 00:40:19,443
Come on, let's get out of here.
993
00:40:19,487 --> 00:40:22,666
♪
994
00:40:37,766 --> 00:40:39,768
Mr. Schwartz.
995
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,988
Cathy Singer. We spoke on the phone?
996
00:40:42,031 --> 00:40:43,835
Oh, I'm sorry we couldn't
give you much of a story.
997
00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:45,739
Well, I actually think
there's something here.
998
00:40:45,774 --> 00:40:47,297
I'm gonna stick around a bit.
999
00:40:47,341 --> 00:40:48,821
Well, that's good.
1000
00:40:48,864 --> 00:40:50,518
'Cause we're not done.
1001
00:40:50,561 --> 00:40:51,780
- We're not?
- No.
1002
00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:53,390
I can't imagine Russ is gonna get
1003
00:40:53,434 --> 00:40:54,696
a fair trial in this town,
1004
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:56,654
but I am not gonna quit until he's free.
1005
00:40:56,698 --> 00:40:57,917
All right? Have a good day.
1006
00:40:59,092 --> 00:41:00,833
We'll start from the top down.
1007
00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:03,096
Your brow position is reasonably good.
1008
00:41:03,139 --> 00:41:04,619
Good to know.
1009
00:41:04,662 --> 00:41:09,102
And then we'll clean up
your upper and lower eyelids.
1010
00:41:09,145 --> 00:41:12,496
And some structural
fat grafting in your cheeks
1011
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:14,672
and T-zone area.
1012
00:41:14,716 --> 00:41:17,501
And last, it's your neck.
1013
00:41:17,545 --> 00:41:19,416
This will take the most work,
1014
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:21,331
but we want it to be consistent.
1015
00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:22,811
I like consistence.
1016
00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:25,074
I want all of me to look as good
1017
00:41:25,118 --> 00:41:26,249
as the rest of me.
1018
00:41:26,293 --> 00:41:27,555
When do I pay?
1019
00:41:27,598 --> 00:41:29,687
There's a $2,500 deposit.
1020
00:41:29,731 --> 00:41:32,342
The front desk will explain everything.
1021
00:41:32,386 --> 00:41:34,823
Hey, it's Pamela Hupp.
1022
00:41:34,867 --> 00:41:36,409
Can you give me your name one more time?
1023
00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:39,480
H-U-P-P. Yeah.
1024
00:41:39,523 --> 00:41:41,177
I set up a trust for the daughters
1025
00:41:41,221 --> 00:41:42,613
of Betsy Faria...
1026
00:41:42,657 --> 00:41:44,398
NARRATOR: Pam wasn't one
to leave a stone
1027
00:41:44,441 --> 00:41:46,226
left unturned.
1028
00:41:46,269 --> 00:41:48,315
[SINISTER MUSIC]
1029
00:41:48,358 --> 00:41:51,187
Or an itch left unscratched.
1030
00:41:51,231 --> 00:41:54,707
♪
1031
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:59,021
[GASPS]
1032
00:41:59,065 --> 00:42:02,503
[SCREAMING]
1033
00:42:02,546 --> 00:42:04,548
I'd like to transfer the balance
1034
00:42:04,592 --> 00:42:06,115
to my personal checking.
1035
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,204
- All of it?
- Yeah, the whole thing.
1036
00:42:08,248 --> 00:42:10,424
Okay, I'll have to put you
on hold for a second.
1037
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:12,600
Sure, I can hold.
1038
00:42:12,643 --> 00:42:14,689
NARRATOR: Sure, she could hold.
1039
00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:16,343
[SNIFFS]
1040
00:42:16,386 --> 00:42:18,258
NARRATOR: For how long?
1041
00:42:21,785 --> 00:42:25,785
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