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NARRATOR: Previously on
"The Thing About Pam."
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident or something?
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She's not accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on Sumac got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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He was kinda not nice verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't care for his type.
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[SINISTER MUSIC]
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NARRATOR: A grieving family
is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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♪
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Who would think such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your hair
on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying to call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why... why would they take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him.
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- Sweetie, sweetie.
- Why don't you stay?
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No. He's... he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have a little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said,
"You women are such asses."
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And I was like, "Excuse me",
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"just trying to get directions
to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased my ex-boyfriend
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out the house with a baseball bat.
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- No.
- Yeah.
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Lord knows Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he...
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Like he...
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NARRATOR: Oh, there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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[SINISTER MUSIC]
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♪
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What does a lie look like anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Did you kill Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Do you know who killed Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
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♪
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[MACHINERY BEEPING] [EXHALES DEEPLY]
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♪
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- I, uh... I...
- [CHUCKLING]
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I need to see my dad, Russ Faria.
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Um, he's gonna be back there
for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi, I'm Russ Faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and...
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[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
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[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
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♪
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Got the results of your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything easier on yourself.
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I don't even know why I'm here.
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[CHUCKLES] Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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♪
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All right, Russ.
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Let's go over this one more time.
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NARRATOR: Can a lie
be detected by a machine
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or squeezed out under pressure?
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It's been 24 hours.
You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can use
to bring him back for good.
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NARRATOR: Can a lie sneak into
our lives like a Trojan horse
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without us even knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air
from one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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♪
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The DA told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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- Mm-hmm.
- How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean, I could act better than that
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and I'm only second semester theater.
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[SIGHS] Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have enough to charge him.
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Uh...
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I need probable cause for the judge.
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So like, a witness, evidence,
stuff like that?
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Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet,
you will be the first person
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to find out when we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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- Oh, I am...
- I mean...
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like... like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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[SOFT EMOTIONAL MUSIC]
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♪
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He's the only dad I ever knew.
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Well, you got your grandmother.
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♪
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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I... I didn't get my hug.
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♪
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NARRATOR: Can a lie
be folded into a hug...
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[UNEASY MUSIC]
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♪
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Even from the ones you trust?
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[PHONE RINGS]
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- Hello?
- Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come by and talk to me.
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- When?
- Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that
big mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the police need our help.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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♪
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NARRATOR: Back in 2007,
Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends, good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy
to DJ her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come "Hokey Pokey" with your mom!
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Boo!
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["HOKEY POKEY" PLAYING]
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Can we get the bride up in here?
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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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- Yay!
- Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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NARRATOR: Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography through life.
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Look at that mama of the bride!
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Who knew she could get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me to pay you, Bets.
She said we could just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give you the friend rate.
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No, no, no. You get full pay.
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I was telling her, Bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just
go ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what? I'm paying
for this whole shebang.
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♪
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This... this gig's on me.
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No. Really? No charge?
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- No charge.
- [GASPS]
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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♪
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Okay, everybody. Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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♪ Put your whole self in,
put your whole self out ♪
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NARRATOR: They say when someone
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shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln County
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm for the holidays.
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- I don't mind if I do.
- Oh.
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No need to take up
any of your time, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp,
on the night of the 27th,
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- you were at home?
- Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Oh.
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- Till he threw out his arm.
- Mm.
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[CRUNCHING LOUDLY]
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Um...
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hon, why don't you play that
voicemail Betsy left ya?
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[PHONE BEEPS]
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Happy Christmas, Mark. Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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- That was 7:00?
- Mm.
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- Yep, 7:04.
- Mm, mm.
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So I take it you knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how many
of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of the stuff she'd say.
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Did you guys ever find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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- No.
- Oh.
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Some of the officers the other day
seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some letter or something
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that Bets was gonna email
to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she deleted it
or whatever.
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Why would she email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and that
and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing Bets, uh, she probably
got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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- Got it.
- [CHUCKLES]
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Do you know what was in this email?
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Russ started playing this game
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of putting a pillow over her face.
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And he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what Bets said,
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he seemed sorta...
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- Abusive?
- Real abusive.
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- Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- Yeah.
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And I was like, well, email
it to me. But I never got it.
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And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
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If you think it'd be helpful.
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[SIGHS]
267
00:12:54,995 --> 00:12:57,967
[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
268
00:12:58,001 --> 00:12:59,661
♪
269
00:12:59,686 --> 00:13:00,740
[SNIFFS]
270
00:13:00,773 --> 00:13:03,212
♪
271
00:13:03,245 --> 00:13:06,818
Tina, call the judge!
272
00:13:06,852 --> 00:13:09,089
We have our probable cause.
273
00:13:11,862 --> 00:13:13,599
So you given any more thought
274
00:13:13,632 --> 00:13:15,603
to your cousin's offer?
275
00:13:15,636 --> 00:13:17,573
Joel, that's the lawyer,
276
00:13:17,607 --> 00:13:19,978
he said that you would be the one
277
00:13:20,011 --> 00:13:22,049
to have to contact him first.
278
00:13:22,082 --> 00:13:23,585
I don't know.
279
00:13:23,619 --> 00:13:25,456
Feels like getting a lawyer means
280
00:13:25,489 --> 00:13:27,460
that I'm somebody
who needs a lawyer, you know?
281
00:13:27,493 --> 00:13:31,201
I just... I just want to get past this.
282
00:13:31,234 --> 00:13:32,937
Mom, come on. You can do that later.
283
00:13:32,971 --> 00:13:34,841
Otherwise, it'll stick.
284
00:13:34,874 --> 00:13:36,144
Are you gonna do these dishes?
285
00:13:36,178 --> 00:13:38,014
Sorry, what? Didn't get that.
286
00:13:38,047 --> 00:13:39,584
[CHUCKLES]
287
00:13:39,617 --> 00:13:41,505
- [DOOR SLAMS OPEN]
- Sheriff's Department!
288
00:13:41,530 --> 00:13:43,167
[SCREAMS]
289
00:13:43,192 --> 00:13:44,761
[BREATHING HEAVILY]
290
00:13:44,794 --> 00:13:46,865
[DOOR SLAMS OPEN]
291
00:13:46,898 --> 00:13:50,105
Russell Faria, you're under arrest
for the murder of Betsy Faria.
292
00:13:50,139 --> 00:13:52,009
- It's okay.
- No!
293
00:13:52,042 --> 00:13:54,714
Ah... [HANDCUFFS CLICKING]
294
00:13:54,748 --> 00:13:55,750
- Get up.
- [GRUNTS]
295
00:13:55,783 --> 00:13:57,553
[SILVERWARE CLATTERING]
296
00:13:57,587 --> 00:13:59,557
Russ, it's okay!
297
00:13:59,591 --> 00:14:02,530
[SINISTER MUSIC]
298
00:14:02,563 --> 00:14:05,135
♪
299
00:14:05,169 --> 00:14:09,811
[SIREN WAILING]
300
00:14:09,844 --> 00:14:12,850
♪
301
00:14:12,884 --> 00:14:14,521
I want a lawyer.
302
00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:16,825
♪
303
00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:22,049
NARRATOR: He rolled in from the city,
304
00:14:22,074 --> 00:14:24,989
a busy man from
a high-rise firm in St. Louis.
305
00:14:25,055 --> 00:14:28,428
Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz
306
00:14:28,461 --> 00:14:31,100
was about to encounter...
307
00:14:31,134 --> 00:14:34,206
Well, he had no idea.
308
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,310
Green Gables?
309
00:14:36,344 --> 00:14:37,647
It's not even green.
310
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,322
Wait, it's not? I Yelped and...
311
00:14:41,656 --> 00:14:45,630
And this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
312
00:14:45,663 --> 00:14:50,205
Um, but there is a...
A Holiday Inn down the 47.
313
00:14:50,238 --> 00:14:53,211
- Do you want me to check that?
- What color are their gables?
314
00:14:53,244 --> 00:14:55,550
I can check.
315
00:14:55,583 --> 00:14:57,319
- [CHUCKLES]
- Oh, you're kidding.
316
00:14:57,352 --> 00:14:58,689
- Yeah, I'm kidding.
- Oh, right.
317
00:14:58,722 --> 00:15:01,331
It's our first day working together.
You get a pass.
318
00:15:01,356 --> 00:15:03,064
Hey, I just got
a probable cause statement
319
00:15:03,097 --> 00:15:05,636
from the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
320
00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:07,239
Looks like an eight-year-old wrote it.
321
00:15:07,272 --> 00:15:09,611
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
322
00:15:09,644 --> 00:15:12,349
Should we wait before
we sit down with Russell then?
323
00:15:12,382 --> 00:15:14,453
- No. No.
- We've got a guy with a temper,
324
00:15:14,487 --> 00:15:15,723
volatile relationship,
325
00:15:15,756 --> 00:15:17,760
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
326
00:15:17,794 --> 00:15:21,167
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
327
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,772
So, uh, I take it you've represented
328
00:15:23,806 --> 00:15:26,745
a lot of guys like Russ then before.
329
00:15:26,778 --> 00:15:27,914
Oh, yeah.
330
00:15:27,947 --> 00:15:31,154
- Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam.
- Yeah, mine too.
331
00:15:31,187 --> 00:15:33,124
Um, you know, I think so.
332
00:15:33,158 --> 00:15:37,132
Because this is my first murder trial.
333
00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:40,038
In my experience,
the stats aren't wrong.
334
00:15:40,071 --> 00:15:41,803
We got the husband of the victim here.
335
00:15:41,828 --> 00:15:43,579
- Right.
- Right?
336
00:15:43,612 --> 00:15:48,288
♪
337
00:15:48,321 --> 00:15:50,025
[SIGHS]
338
00:15:50,058 --> 00:15:53,198
♪
339
00:15:53,231 --> 00:15:54,533
Hey, Pam, you heard?
340
00:15:54,568 --> 00:15:56,805
Betsy Faria's husband got arrested.
341
00:15:56,838 --> 00:15:58,241
No way.
342
00:15:58,274 --> 00:16:00,445
Mm-hmm. News just said so.
343
00:16:00,478 --> 00:16:02,117
He goes to my sister's church.
344
00:16:02,142 --> 00:16:03,786
Can you believe that?
345
00:16:03,819 --> 00:16:05,522
I guess you never know what's going on
346
00:16:05,556 --> 00:16:07,125
inside other people's houses.
347
00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,031
♪
348
00:16:10,065 --> 00:16:11,234
[SLURPS]
349
00:16:15,743 --> 00:16:17,479
We're here to see Russ Faria.
350
00:16:17,512 --> 00:16:19,784
He's in holding. You
can wait over there.
351
00:16:21,454 --> 00:16:23,191
Hey, excuse me.
352
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,663
You can't go in there.
353
00:16:25,696 --> 00:16:28,802
Why are you talking to my client
after he asked for a lawyer?
354
00:16:28,836 --> 00:16:30,305
Huh?
355
00:16:33,846 --> 00:16:36,618
That's him. That's Joel Schwartz.
356
00:16:36,652 --> 00:16:38,488
I like his style.
357
00:16:38,521 --> 00:16:40,793
He looks like Tom Hanks from "Splash."
358
00:16:40,826 --> 00:16:42,644
How much do you think that haircut cost?
359
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,201
He already put in
a request for evidence.
360
00:16:45,235 --> 00:16:46,838
He's good.
361
00:16:46,872 --> 00:16:50,713
We don't let guys like that
dick us around, Tina.
362
00:16:52,717 --> 00:16:54,821
Thanks for coming.
363
00:16:56,625 --> 00:16:59,263
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
364
00:16:59,296 --> 00:17:01,334
First off, is it true
that you talked to the police
365
00:17:01,367 --> 00:17:03,371
for 24 hours straight?
366
00:17:03,404 --> 00:17:06,277
Yeah.
367
00:17:06,310 --> 00:17:08,549
How much did you tell them?
368
00:17:08,582 --> 00:17:11,520
All of it.
369
00:17:11,555 --> 00:17:13,458
All of what?
370
00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:14,794
The truth.
371
00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:25,215
Am I really going to have
to go in front of a jury
372
00:17:25,248 --> 00:17:27,252
because you two can't get a confession
373
00:17:27,286 --> 00:17:28,656
out of this maniac?
374
00:17:28,689 --> 00:17:29,891
The guy's a good liar.
375
00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:31,828
He's sticking to his Arby's
and game night.
376
00:17:31,862 --> 00:17:33,799
I wish to God
I hadn't gone to game night,
377
00:17:33,832 --> 00:17:35,670
but that's where I was,
378
00:17:35,703 --> 00:17:37,707
so how can everybody think I did this?
379
00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:39,480
It doesn't matter what everyone thinks.
380
00:17:39,505 --> 00:17:42,349
It matters what
the prosecution can prove.
381
00:17:42,382 --> 00:17:44,754
Wait.
382
00:17:44,788 --> 00:17:47,760
Do you think I killed Betsy?
383
00:17:47,794 --> 00:17:49,631
I don't know what I think yet, Russ.
384
00:17:49,664 --> 00:17:50,800
Okay.
385
00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:54,641
But... don't you have to believe me?
386
00:17:54,674 --> 00:17:57,145
Isn't that, like, part of this?
387
00:17:57,179 --> 00:18:00,886
I'm bumping on the same thing you are.
388
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,360
I'm not even sure why we're sitting
here if your alibi checks out.
389
00:18:04,393 --> 00:18:06,263
Talk to my friends then.
390
00:18:09,403 --> 00:18:11,440
That alibi's still tough to get around.
391
00:18:11,474 --> 00:18:14,513
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
392
00:18:14,547 --> 00:18:15,883
You're the detective,
393
00:18:15,916 --> 00:18:17,386
but just because a pocket square
394
00:18:17,419 --> 00:18:20,693
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
395
00:18:20,726 --> 00:18:21,928
So what do we have?
396
00:18:21,962 --> 00:18:23,331
There must've been a cleanup.
397
00:18:23,364 --> 00:18:25,535
There wasn't blood on Russ' clothing?
398
00:18:25,569 --> 00:18:27,239
Not a drop.
399
00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:30,178
Do we have the luminol photos back?
400
00:18:30,211 --> 00:18:34,754
Those would show
if there was blood cleaned up.
401
00:18:34,788 --> 00:18:36,390
Camera malfunctioned.
402
00:18:36,424 --> 00:18:37,627
Photos showed nothing.
403
00:18:37,660 --> 00:18:39,564
Totally blank.
404
00:18:39,597 --> 00:18:42,637
Should we take a look just to be sure?
405
00:18:42,670 --> 00:18:45,223
If he says they're blank, they're blank.
What's the point?
406
00:18:45,248 --> 00:18:47,780
Get over here, McCarrick!
407
00:18:47,814 --> 00:18:49,951
This guy stabbed his wife 57 times
408
00:18:49,984 --> 00:18:51,955
and he didn't do it stark naked
409
00:18:51,988 --> 00:18:53,926
spraying Lysol out of his ass,
410
00:18:53,959 --> 00:18:56,698
so he must've missed a spot.
411
00:18:56,732 --> 00:18:59,704
If you were at game night,
412
00:18:59,738 --> 00:19:01,708
then who took Betsy home?
413
00:19:01,742 --> 00:19:03,344
Her friend, Pam.
414
00:19:03,378 --> 00:19:04,480
Pam.
415
00:19:04,513 --> 00:19:07,219
Why don't you tell me about Pam?
416
00:19:07,252 --> 00:19:08,655
She's...
417
00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:10,225
I don't know.
418
00:19:10,258 --> 00:19:12,229
Nice lady.
419
00:19:12,262 --> 00:19:14,400
"Nice lady."
420
00:19:14,433 --> 00:19:18,609
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
421
00:19:18,642 --> 00:19:19,968
She got an ex-boyfriend?
422
00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:22,583
Oh, he's a huge tool,
423
00:19:22,617 --> 00:19:25,321
but I don't think he could've done this.
424
00:19:25,355 --> 00:19:27,037
Well, we should still check him out
425
00:19:27,062 --> 00:19:30,035
just to dot the Ts and cross the...
426
00:19:32,908 --> 00:19:34,144
Okay, Russ.
427
00:19:34,177 --> 00:19:36,648
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
428
00:19:36,682 --> 00:19:39,989
Whoa. What happens now?
429
00:19:40,022 --> 00:19:42,026
Well, you'll be held until trial.
430
00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:45,733
You mean in jail?
431
00:19:45,766 --> 00:19:48,739
[SOFT MUSIC]
432
00:19:48,772 --> 00:19:50,543
♪
433
00:19:50,576 --> 00:19:53,582
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
434
00:19:53,615 --> 00:19:55,988
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
435
00:19:56,021 --> 00:19:58,258
you understand?
436
00:19:58,292 --> 00:20:01,776
♪
437
00:20:08,112 --> 00:20:09,514
Why would he ask us
438
00:20:09,547 --> 00:20:11,184
to interview five independent witnesses?
439
00:20:11,218 --> 00:20:13,790
That's just gonna make him look bad.
440
00:20:13,823 --> 00:20:14,925
[SIGHS]
441
00:20:14,959 --> 00:20:16,194
I'm sorry.
442
00:20:16,228 --> 00:20:18,249
I'm still trying to pick up
on your social cues.
443
00:20:18,274 --> 00:20:19,300
What's the sign?
444
00:20:19,334 --> 00:20:21,105
I've represented a lot of guilty people,
445
00:20:21,130 --> 00:20:23,175
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
446
00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:25,646
Wait, you think that he didn't do this?
447
00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:29,154
♪
448
00:20:29,187 --> 00:20:31,959
I guess the pressure's on now.
449
00:20:31,993 --> 00:20:34,297
♪
450
00:20:34,330 --> 00:20:36,936
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
451
00:20:36,969 --> 00:20:39,975
then he must've changed, washed up.
452
00:20:40,009 --> 00:20:41,545
Was there blood in the bathroom?
453
00:20:41,578 --> 00:20:43,615
Did you take apart the shower?
454
00:20:43,649 --> 00:20:44,852
Morning, Leah.
455
00:20:44,885 --> 00:20:47,190
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
456
00:20:47,223 --> 00:20:49,439
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
457
00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:52,166
ten times the amount of work at my feet.
458
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,839
You were just elected DA,
what, a month ago?
459
00:20:54,872 --> 00:20:57,123
It shows.
460
00:20:57,148 --> 00:20:59,036
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
461
00:20:59,061 --> 00:21:00,649
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
462
00:21:00,683 --> 00:21:02,653
I have to show people
why they elected me.
463
00:21:02,687 --> 00:21:05,927
Maybe someone could do
a test drive from Arby's.
464
00:21:05,961 --> 00:21:07,798
I saw the receipt. It's timestamped.
465
00:21:07,831 --> 00:21:11,204
Thank you, Tina, who is not a detective.
466
00:21:11,238 --> 00:21:13,742
How could we ever show
that it was possible
467
00:21:13,776 --> 00:21:17,116
for Russ to get home from
Arby's in time to kill Betsy?
468
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:18,853
He must've gone over the speed limit.
469
00:21:18,887 --> 00:21:20,122
I'll take care of it.
470
00:21:20,156 --> 00:21:23,162
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
471
00:21:23,195 --> 00:21:25,199
and find me the blood.
472
00:21:25,232 --> 00:21:27,971
[UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC]
473
00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:29,240
11:41 a. m.
474
00:21:29,274 --> 00:21:31,244
Detective Brian McCarrick here.
475
00:21:31,278 --> 00:21:33,682
Leaving Arby's
en route to 130 Sumac Drive.
476
00:21:33,715 --> 00:21:35,352
[TIRES SQUEALING]
477
00:21:35,386 --> 00:21:39,737
♪
478
00:21:54,892 --> 00:21:58,265
[TIRES SQUEALING]
479
00:22:00,904 --> 00:22:02,039
Boom!
480
00:22:02,073 --> 00:22:03,275
Plenty of time to kill you.
481
00:22:03,308 --> 00:22:04,912
[CHUCKLES] Yah!
482
00:22:04,945 --> 00:22:06,983
♪
483
00:22:07,016 --> 00:22:09,254
What the friggin' hell?
484
00:22:10,156 --> 00:22:12,895
[SNIFFS] Ugh!
485
00:22:12,928 --> 00:22:15,901
The entire floor stinks like that?
486
00:22:15,934 --> 00:22:19,340
- Mold. It's bad.
- Ugh.
487
00:22:19,374 --> 00:22:22,815
We might have to dip into
the Florida money.
488
00:22:22,848 --> 00:22:24,350
It's gone.
489
00:22:26,454 --> 00:22:27,858
All of it?
490
00:22:27,891 --> 00:22:29,727
How'd you think
I paid for that flip house
491
00:22:29,752 --> 00:22:31,235
when we're behind the mortgage here?
492
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:34,737
Well, I... I don't know.
Maybe your disability money.
493
00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:38,111
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
494
00:22:38,145 --> 00:22:40,182
They said I don't qualify anymore.
495
00:22:41,318 --> 00:22:44,757
But your bad leg.
496
00:22:44,792 --> 00:22:46,896
Tell it to the man.
497
00:22:46,929 --> 00:22:48,332
[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
498
00:22:48,365 --> 00:22:52,773
[GARBAGE DISPOSAL RUMBLING]
499
00:22:52,808 --> 00:22:55,746
I'll get us the money.
500
00:22:55,779 --> 00:22:59,864
♪
501
00:23:06,768 --> 00:23:07,804
Hey.
502
00:23:07,838 --> 00:23:10,209
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
503
00:23:10,242 --> 00:23:12,113
Super sweet group of dudes.
504
00:23:12,146 --> 00:23:15,052
I've got five people
505
00:23:15,085 --> 00:23:17,456
who said that Russ left at 9:00.
506
00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:19,597
Well, you can't be
at game night and the Arby's
507
00:23:19,622 --> 00:23:22,466
at the same time
you're killing your wife.
508
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,284
So I was looking at these autopsy...
509
00:23:24,309 --> 00:23:25,878
Do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
510
00:23:25,903 --> 00:23:26,976
- No.
- Okay.
511
00:23:27,009 --> 00:23:29,782
It looks like there is a bruise
512
00:23:29,815 --> 00:23:31,953
- on Betsy's neck here.
- Mm.
513
00:23:31,986 --> 00:23:33,288
And then it looks like the knife
514
00:23:33,322 --> 00:23:35,860
was stuck into that same spot
515
00:23:35,894 --> 00:23:37,898
after she was dead.
516
00:23:37,931 --> 00:23:40,736
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
517
00:23:40,769 --> 00:23:43,775
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
518
00:23:43,810 --> 00:23:46,248
Yeah, it's weird.
519
00:23:46,281 --> 00:23:48,820
She has so many stab wounds
on her back, Joel,
520
00:23:48,853 --> 00:23:51,224
but there's no blood on the carpet.
521
00:23:51,258 --> 00:23:52,426
And they're all the same size,
522
00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:55,132
same depth, all made post-mortem.
523
00:23:55,165 --> 00:23:56,836
Methodical, not passionate,
524
00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:58,272
but trying to make it look like that.
525
00:23:58,305 --> 00:24:00,877
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
526
00:24:00,911 --> 00:24:02,246
in all of St. Louis?
527
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,917
- [CHUCKLES]
- Number two, actually.
528
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:05,887
- That's right. Number two.
- Yeah.
529
00:24:05,921 --> 00:24:07,156
And you must be,
530
00:24:07,189 --> 00:24:09,027
let me guess, our district attorney.
531
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:10,162
You can call me Leah.
532
00:24:10,195 --> 00:24:11,531
- Leah. Oh, Leah...
- Yes.
533
00:24:11,564 --> 00:24:14,137
We still haven't received
our luminol photos
534
00:24:14,170 --> 00:24:15,907
from the crime scene.
535
00:24:15,941 --> 00:24:18,512
Photos didn't come out.
There was a camera malfunction.
536
00:24:18,545 --> 00:24:20,719
- Oh, well, that's too bad.
- Yeah.
537
00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:22,194
We're still gonna need to see those.
538
00:24:22,219 --> 00:24:24,792
And the polygraph results too.
539
00:24:24,825 --> 00:24:26,996
Photos and polygraph coming right up.
540
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:28,532
Okay.
541
00:24:28,565 --> 00:24:31,538
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
542
00:24:31,571 --> 00:24:34,143
They're guests in our town.
543
00:24:34,177 --> 00:24:35,279
Night, boys.
544
00:24:35,312 --> 00:24:37,851
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
545
00:24:39,087 --> 00:24:40,422
- Uh...
- Oh, boy.
546
00:24:40,456 --> 00:24:42,868
Okay, okay. What's next?
547
00:24:42,893 --> 00:24:44,952
- Let's go to motive to kill.
- All right.
548
00:24:44,977 --> 00:24:47,820
So based on the detectives' interviews,
549
00:24:47,845 --> 00:24:49,436
it seems like
they're gonna go with the fact
550
00:24:49,461 --> 00:24:51,378
that Russ was this rage monster
who snapped...
551
00:24:51,411 --> 00:24:53,548
Askey will go with
that, sure, but if she's smart,
552
00:24:53,582 --> 00:24:55,286
she'll pile on a bunch of other reasons.
553
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:56,716
Or it could be insurance.
554
00:24:56,741 --> 00:24:58,519
Do you want me to check to see
if Betsy had a policy?
555
00:24:58,544 --> 00:24:59,995
She was terminally ill.
556
00:25:00,037 --> 00:25:01,306
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
557
00:25:01,331 --> 00:25:04,805
why wouldn't he just wait
a couple of months?
558
00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:09,611
What about SODDIs?
"Some other dude did it."
559
00:25:10,984 --> 00:25:12,186
- Oh.
- Yeah.
560
00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:13,823
[CHUCKLES]
561
00:25:13,856 --> 00:25:15,860
I just went through 500 pages
562
00:25:15,894 --> 00:25:19,200
of the daughter's boyfriend's
text messages.
563
00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:20,904
- And?
- I wouldn't date the guy,
564
00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:23,342
but he didn't kill Betsy.
565
00:25:23,375 --> 00:25:26,047
What about that Pam lady?
566
00:25:26,081 --> 00:25:28,452
I mean, she was the last one
to see Betsy alive.
567
00:25:28,485 --> 00:25:30,055
We definitely need
to see her cell records.
568
00:25:30,089 --> 00:25:31,458
I have tried.
569
00:25:31,491 --> 00:25:34,063
But the DA doesn't seem
to think that we need them.
570
00:25:34,097 --> 00:25:35,967
Yeah, well, that's because
Pam doesn't fit into
571
00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:37,838
what Askey wants to see.
572
00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:39,207
- That's a good point.
- Right?
573
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,113
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
574
00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:43,883
♪
575
00:25:43,916 --> 00:25:45,386
[SIGHS]
576
00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:46,989
♪
577
00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:48,646
I have to go home and tuck in the kids
578
00:25:48,671 --> 00:25:51,331
or Chris will get his panties
in a twist.
579
00:25:51,364 --> 00:25:53,135
Yeah, we wouldn't want that, would we?
580
00:25:53,168 --> 00:25:56,374
Mm-mm.
581
00:25:56,408 --> 00:25:58,345
Well, let's see.
582
00:25:58,378 --> 00:26:01,451
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
583
00:26:01,484 --> 00:26:03,488
- Test that against Russ.
- Okay.
584
00:26:03,522 --> 00:26:07,496
And then there's the bloody slippers.
585
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:09,567
That is a wrinkle.
586
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,006
Why would he put his slippers
back in the closet
587
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:13,575
after he killed her?
588
00:26:13,608 --> 00:26:15,379
And weird that there's blood
on the slippers,
589
00:26:15,412 --> 00:26:17,918
but not on his clothes.
590
00:26:20,189 --> 00:26:23,528
Maybe he did kill her naked.
591
00:26:24,597 --> 00:26:27,336
So test that against Russ. Anyone else?
592
00:26:27,369 --> 00:26:30,642
Why?
593
00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:33,048
It's my first major murder case.
594
00:26:33,081 --> 00:26:35,252
I... [INHALES DEEPLY]
595
00:26:35,285 --> 00:26:38,291
it's a lot.
596
00:26:45,915 --> 00:26:47,785
- All right.
- [CLEARS THROAT]
597
00:26:47,913 --> 00:26:51,019
Well, if you're leaving,
598
00:26:51,217 --> 00:26:53,956
you should probably
take a look at that first.
599
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:56,929
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
600
00:26:56,962 --> 00:27:01,204
♪
601
00:27:01,237 --> 00:27:04,177
NARRATOR: Pam was always
working on something
602
00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:07,149
as she worked her way to the top.
603
00:27:07,183 --> 00:27:11,357
[PHONE RINGING]
604
00:27:12,994 --> 00:27:14,697
Hello?
605
00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:16,668
Yeah, that's me.
606
00:27:18,556 --> 00:27:21,929
Yeah, I could do that.
607
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,985
See you then.
608
00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:26,989
Mm-hmm.
609
00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:32,600
The DA wants to talk to me.
610
00:27:32,633 --> 00:27:34,237
Again?
611
00:27:34,270 --> 00:27:36,641
No, Travis, try and keep up.
612
00:27:36,674 --> 00:27:39,680
That was the cops I talked to last time.
613
00:27:39,714 --> 00:27:41,317
[GRUNTS]
614
00:27:41,351 --> 00:27:43,155
This is the DA.
615
00:27:43,188 --> 00:27:46,227
NARRATOR: Just now,
she had a story to tell
616
00:27:46,261 --> 00:27:50,402
and just the right person to tell it to.
617
00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,314
- [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
- Joel.
618
00:28:02,068 --> 00:28:03,505
I like your pocket square.
619
00:28:03,530 --> 00:28:05,308
There's not many men that can pull off
620
00:28:05,309 --> 00:28:07,169
a pink pocket square.
621
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:09,824
We're here for Pam Hupp's cell data.
622
00:28:10,172 --> 00:28:11,427
Yeah.
623
00:28:11,461 --> 00:28:14,233
You can go ahead
and analyze the phone anytime.
624
00:28:14,266 --> 00:28:16,378
No, not the phone itself.
625
00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:18,974
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
626
00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:20,849
- for both sides.
- Okay.
627
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:22,669
Go for it.
628
00:28:22,694 --> 00:28:24,919
The state's analysis center
is the one that makes the map.
629
00:28:24,953 --> 00:28:26,155
And you and I both know
630
00:28:26,188 --> 00:28:28,039
that we don't have access
to those services.
631
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,625
Only you can make that request
to the Sheriff's office.
632
00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:32,033
So how do you suggest
633
00:28:32,067 --> 00:28:34,530
we convert raw cell data on our own?
634
00:28:34,988 --> 00:28:36,365
I don't know, Joel.
635
00:28:36,573 --> 00:28:37,866
Google it?
636
00:28:39,243 --> 00:28:40,545
- Nah.
- No.
637
00:28:40,578 --> 00:28:42,215
No, you'll send me the cell map
638
00:28:42,249 --> 00:28:44,620
- and the luminol photos.
- Which I have been requesting.
639
00:28:44,645 --> 00:28:46,789
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
640
00:28:46,814 --> 00:28:48,659
because that is how this works.
641
00:28:48,684 --> 00:28:50,287
Right, you old pro.
642
00:28:50,312 --> 00:28:52,784
I'm gonna have Tina
put together a disc for you.
643
00:28:52,818 --> 00:28:54,091
A really nice disc.
644
00:28:54,454 --> 00:28:55,650
Look forward to that.
645
00:28:55,651 --> 00:28:57,588
That was easy.
646
00:28:57,622 --> 00:28:59,346
Thanks for coming all the way down!
647
00:29:00,594 --> 00:29:02,565
What a baby.
648
00:29:02,598 --> 00:29:05,537
[SOFT EMOTIONAL MUSIC]
649
00:29:05,571 --> 00:29:09,830
♪
650
00:29:18,041 --> 00:29:19,777
Mom would have hated this.
651
00:29:19,999 --> 00:29:22,103
They really tore the place apart.
652
00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:25,611
♪
653
00:29:25,644 --> 00:29:28,650
Um, I'm... I'm just gonna
get my new kitten
654
00:29:28,684 --> 00:29:33,260
and then we can just get out of here.
655
00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:38,127
♪
656
00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:01,048
How can you even look at him?
657
00:30:01,081 --> 00:30:02,618
Just because you don't like him...
658
00:30:02,651 --> 00:30:03,887
He called me the C-word.
659
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,524
'Cause you stole money from Grandma.
660
00:30:05,557 --> 00:30:07,194
Shut up.
661
00:30:07,228 --> 00:30:11,035
- Whatever. Let's just go.
- Come on.
662
00:30:12,972 --> 00:30:15,244
Mom always left those on.
663
00:30:15,277 --> 00:30:18,401
♪
664
00:30:29,338 --> 00:30:32,077
Wait.
665
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:33,814
It looks like Pam took two showers.
666
00:30:33,847 --> 00:30:35,951
One the night Betsy died,
667
00:30:35,984 --> 00:30:37,221
and one the next morning.
668
00:30:37,254 --> 00:30:38,290
What the hell?
669
00:30:38,323 --> 00:30:41,061
This latest cell phone info
from the prosecution,
670
00:30:41,095 --> 00:30:42,565
it's useless.
671
00:30:42,598 --> 00:30:44,836
This is thousands of pages,
672
00:30:44,869 --> 00:30:47,073
thousands of pages of garbage.
673
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:51,048
Nothing in this case is easy.
674
00:30:54,255 --> 00:30:56,893
NARRATOR: Here they were,
together at last.
675
00:30:56,926 --> 00:30:58,930
- [SLURPING]
- NARRATOR: Pam and Leah Askey,
676
00:30:58,964 --> 00:31:01,101
just two public servants
677
00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,840
working for the common good.
678
00:31:03,874 --> 00:31:05,978
- Hi.
- Hi.
679
00:31:06,011 --> 00:31:08,950
Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty.
680
00:31:08,984 --> 00:31:10,954
I came straight from Zumba.
681
00:31:10,988 --> 00:31:12,892
You do Zumba? I do Zumba.
682
00:31:12,925 --> 00:31:15,364
- Tuesday, Thursday.
- I'm Wednesday, Friday.
683
00:31:15,397 --> 00:31:17,000
[CHUCKLES]
684
00:31:17,033 --> 00:31:19,305
It is so nice to officially meet you.
685
00:31:19,338 --> 00:31:21,810
- Mm-hmm.
- Have a seat.
686
00:31:21,843 --> 00:31:26,697
You have been through so much.
687
00:31:28,824 --> 00:31:32,198
Joel, look at this.
688
00:31:32,231 --> 00:31:35,270
That's to do with the life insurance.
689
00:31:35,304 --> 00:31:36,476
Oh, Russ,
690
00:31:36,501 --> 00:31:39,846
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
691
00:31:39,879 --> 00:31:43,386
And... and he was making
her really nervous...
692
00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:44,516
Mm-hmm.
693
00:31:44,541 --> 00:31:45,991
- With the pillow.
- Mm-hmm.
694
00:31:46,024 --> 00:31:47,383
And, you know, she'd turn around
695
00:31:47,408 --> 00:31:49,799
and he'd just be, like, staring at her.
696
00:31:49,832 --> 00:31:51,034
Stuff like that.
697
00:31:51,068 --> 00:31:52,872
And four days before he killed her...
698
00:31:52,905 --> 00:31:56,980
Betsy changed the beneficiary
from Russ to Pam.
699
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,155
We got Pam's motive to kill.
700
00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:02,391
SODDI.
701
00:32:05,998 --> 00:32:08,303
This change of beneficiary
thing is really
702
00:32:08,336 --> 00:32:11,141
- gonna help our case.
- Oh, my God.
703
00:32:11,175 --> 00:32:13,045
You think Russ found out about it
704
00:32:13,078 --> 00:32:14,882
and that's what made him snap.
705
00:32:14,916 --> 00:32:16,018
Yep.
706
00:32:16,051 --> 00:32:19,157
Betsy took him off the policy
and he killed her in a fit of rage.
707
00:32:19,191 --> 00:32:22,096
- Well, that makes total sense.
- Unfortunately,
708
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:24,902
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
709
00:32:24,936 --> 00:32:27,140
just trapped in a bad marriage,
710
00:32:27,173 --> 00:32:29,144
trying to make it okay for the kids.
711
00:32:29,177 --> 00:32:31,081
Right. That was the idea.
712
00:32:31,114 --> 00:32:32,318
And everyone knows that
713
00:32:32,351 --> 00:32:34,322
Russ is kinda rough around the edges.
714
00:32:34,355 --> 00:32:36,926
Well, I'm gonna make him pay
for what he's done.
715
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,801
But I need someone who really knows
716
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:44,074
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
717
00:32:44,107 --> 00:32:46,446
To testify, you mean.
718
00:32:46,479 --> 00:32:48,783
Yeah.
719
00:32:48,817 --> 00:32:52,090
Well, I know everything about it
720
00:32:52,123 --> 00:32:54,695
'cause Betsy told me.
721
00:32:54,729 --> 00:32:56,699
That's great.
722
00:32:56,733 --> 00:32:59,772
Thank you for agreeing to testify.
723
00:32:59,805 --> 00:33:02,711
NARRATOR: Sometimes,
it's best to let the fish
724
00:33:02,745 --> 00:33:05,951
think it's catching you.
725
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:07,364
I was just trying to help her out.
726
00:33:07,389 --> 00:33:09,959
So when Bets says she wanted
to put my name on policy,
727
00:33:09,992 --> 00:33:12,464
I said, "Whatever you think is best."
728
00:33:12,498 --> 00:33:17,173
She was like, "Well,
anything's better than Russ."
729
00:33:17,208 --> 00:33:19,378
NARRATOR: Sometimes you cast
so many lines
730
00:33:19,412 --> 00:33:21,482
into that little pond,
731
00:33:21,516 --> 00:33:23,486
it makes a web.
732
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,490
[SIGHS]
733
00:33:25,524 --> 00:33:27,861
He's not good with money.
734
00:33:27,895 --> 00:33:31,836
Mm. Mm.
735
00:33:31,869 --> 00:33:33,072
I guess Betsy was just like
736
00:33:33,105 --> 00:33:35,744
a lot of women out there, you know?
737
00:33:35,777 --> 00:33:38,817
Just a bad marriage,
738
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,256
trying to take care of the kids.
739
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:44,060
Mm.
740
00:33:44,094 --> 00:33:46,098
Now that's all on me.
741
00:33:46,131 --> 00:33:48,837
Well, I can sort that out for you.
742
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:50,006
Oh, no.
743
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,244
- Or... or Tammy can.
- No, I got it.
744
00:33:52,278 --> 00:33:54,014
I can take care of those girls.
745
00:33:54,047 --> 00:33:57,120
Set up a trust for 'em and everything.
746
00:33:57,153 --> 00:33:59,926
I have been
747
00:33:59,959 --> 00:34:04,902
thanking God for you every night, Pam.
748
00:34:04,936 --> 00:34:07,441
Don't thank Him for me yet.
749
00:34:07,474 --> 00:34:11,934
I still gotta testify against Russ.
750
00:34:13,353 --> 00:34:14,455
Well,
751
00:34:14,488 --> 00:34:19,398
Janet was practically
begging me to handle the money.
752
00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:23,306
You know what I had to do to get it.
753
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:25,142
Hell and back.
754
00:34:25,176 --> 00:34:27,781
State Acres has this
new phone tree thing.
755
00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:29,318
When you call, it takes forever.
756
00:34:29,352 --> 00:34:32,324
Finally got an old contact
of mine from HQ, Dusty.
757
00:34:32,358 --> 00:34:35,162
Seems like Dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
758
00:34:35,197 --> 00:34:37,066
Totally remembered me too.
759
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,760
"Oh, Pam, how you doing? How's Mark?"
760
00:34:39,785 --> 00:34:41,342
- That's good.
- Yeah, so, you know.
761
00:34:41,376 --> 00:34:44,080
I said, "Good. Betsy's dead.
Can I get that money?"
762
00:34:44,114 --> 00:34:48,088
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
763
00:34:48,122 --> 00:34:49,925
So you're good?
764
00:34:49,959 --> 00:34:52,030
Yeah.
765
00:34:53,933 --> 00:34:55,537
Don't stress about the house.
766
00:34:55,570 --> 00:35:00,012
Get a whole team out there
to kill that mold.
767
00:35:00,046 --> 00:35:02,451
I'll bet you'll get that facelift
768
00:35:02,484 --> 00:35:04,822
you've been wanting.
769
00:35:04,855 --> 00:35:08,963
Mom, I don't know
what you're even talking about.
770
00:35:08,997 --> 00:35:10,967
Well, your face does.
771
00:35:11,001 --> 00:35:13,666
[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
772
00:35:13,691 --> 00:35:14,842
♪
773
00:35:14,882 --> 00:35:17,588
[CHUCKLES]
774
00:35:17,614 --> 00:35:19,184
Oops.
775
00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:24,151
[LAUGHS]
776
00:35:33,417 --> 00:35:37,266
So, um, I was able to run
Pam's record one more time.
777
00:35:37,291 --> 00:35:38,494
Came back clean.
778
00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:40,540
♪ We got a spotless queen ♪
779
00:35:40,565 --> 00:35:41,801
It does sound like she likes to bring on
780
00:35:41,835 --> 00:35:43,538
a lot of lawsuits.
781
00:35:43,571 --> 00:35:45,508
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
782
00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:47,412
the hospital where her son was born
783
00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:49,751
for giving him cerebral palsy.
784
00:35:49,784 --> 00:35:51,387
Guess that didn't work out.
785
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:53,157
♪ Hoped to sue for palsy ♪
786
00:35:53,191 --> 00:35:54,928
Then she claimed that a filing cabinet
787
00:35:54,961 --> 00:35:56,932
fell on her head at work.
788
00:35:56,965 --> 00:35:58,568
♪ Well, that's pretty ballsy ♪
789
00:35:58,601 --> 00:35:59,938
[CHUCKLES]
790
00:35:59,971 --> 00:36:02,642
♪ Hupp, Hupp, Hupp it up ♪
791
00:36:02,683 --> 00:36:04,788
- ♪ Hupp, Hupp ♪
- Hey, will you check this out?
792
00:36:04,814 --> 00:36:06,952
[WHISTLING]
793
00:36:06,985 --> 00:36:09,656
[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
794
00:36:09,691 --> 00:36:11,393
Is that Leah Askey?
795
00:36:11,418 --> 00:36:12,964
That is Chris Mennemeyer,
796
00:36:12,997 --> 00:36:15,101
who, by the way,
gave out homemade cookies
797
00:36:15,134 --> 00:36:16,570
when she ran for the judge's seat.
798
00:36:16,604 --> 00:36:19,911
So the judge and Leah Askey
went to high school together?
799
00:36:19,944 --> 00:36:21,680
Should we be worried?
800
00:36:21,715 --> 00:36:22,984
So we had this...
801
00:36:23,017 --> 00:36:24,519
NARRATOR: There are a lot of things
802
00:36:24,553 --> 00:36:26,925
you could say about Pam Hupp.
803
00:36:26,958 --> 00:36:28,494
A... a ten-year plan.
804
00:36:28,527 --> 00:36:31,100
NARRATOR: One is that
she is cooperative.
805
00:36:31,133 --> 00:36:32,803
Well, the ten-year turned to 12,
806
00:36:32,837 --> 00:36:35,441
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
807
00:36:35,475 --> 00:36:38,080
so we flip houses on the side
and got plenty of money.
808
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,940
- Okay. It's...
- And a couple of months ago
809
00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:42,990
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
810
00:36:43,024 --> 00:36:44,526
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
811
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:46,130
- and dementia and all of that.
- Sure.
812
00:36:46,163 --> 00:36:48,200
That's why the insurance money
813
00:36:48,234 --> 00:36:50,138
is just sitting there. I'm too busy.
814
00:36:50,171 --> 00:36:51,559
Of course, I want to set up
that trust though.
815
00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:53,692
- Right, right, right, right.
- So thanks for coming in
816
00:36:53,717 --> 00:36:55,014
to talk about the insurance payout.
817
00:36:55,048 --> 00:36:57,018
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, the 150,000,
818
00:36:57,052 --> 00:36:59,724
that's in a separate account
than your own.
819
00:36:59,757 --> 00:37:04,717
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
820
00:37:06,738 --> 00:37:08,842
Okay.
821
00:37:08,875 --> 00:37:10,980
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
822
00:37:11,013 --> 00:37:13,084
No, no, no, no. I...
823
00:37:13,117 --> 00:37:14,954
No, no, I'm just saying,
824
00:37:14,988 --> 00:37:19,096
to me, in my world,
150K is not that much.
825
00:37:19,129 --> 00:37:21,701
And if I really,
I mean, I hate to say it,
826
00:37:21,735 --> 00:37:23,204
but if I wanted the money,
827
00:37:23,237 --> 00:37:27,512
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
828
00:37:27,545 --> 00:37:30,118
So... and I know that that sounds...
829
00:37:30,151 --> 00:37:31,895
That sounds morbid
and stuff like that...
830
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,457
So... but you intend to set up...
831
00:37:33,491 --> 00:37:34,894
I'm her life insurance person.
832
00:37:34,927 --> 00:37:35,963
I know. I know.
833
00:37:35,996 --> 00:37:37,232
But you do intend on
834
00:37:37,265 --> 00:37:39,002
setting up the trust for Betsy's girls.
835
00:37:39,036 --> 00:37:41,040
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
836
00:37:41,073 --> 00:37:42,910
Just as soon as we flip this house.
837
00:37:42,943 --> 00:37:44,513
'Cause, you know, money's tied up
838
00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:47,052
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
839
00:37:47,085 --> 00:37:48,353
It would be good for you, Pam,
840
00:37:48,378 --> 00:37:50,058
and it'll help our case against Russ
841
00:37:50,091 --> 00:37:52,228
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
842
00:37:52,262 --> 00:37:54,199
How does it help me exactly?
843
00:37:54,232 --> 00:37:55,903
Well, you know, Schwartz,
844
00:37:55,936 --> 00:37:57,855
he might say you had
something to do with the murder
845
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,779
'cause of a... because
of a financial windfall.
846
00:38:00,813 --> 00:38:02,750
[SCOFFS]
847
00:38:02,783 --> 00:38:04,152
[SIGHS]
848
00:38:04,186 --> 00:38:06,156
Here I am trying to help Betsy's family
849
00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:08,594
on top of my own, and...
850
00:38:08,627 --> 00:38:10,766
What are the possibilities?
I'm sorry for interrupting,
851
00:38:10,799 --> 00:38:13,170
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
852
00:38:13,204 --> 00:38:17,545
for the girls before the trial?
853
00:38:17,579 --> 00:38:19,249
A hundred.
854
00:38:19,282 --> 00:38:23,090
100% it will be set up.
855
00:38:23,124 --> 00:38:26,698
And you'll call me when you do it?
856
00:38:26,731 --> 00:38:28,000
Yeah, I will.
857
00:38:28,034 --> 00:38:32,042
NARRATOR: That's Pam, working
toward a common goal...
858
00:38:32,075 --> 00:38:33,577
I will.
859
00:38:33,611 --> 00:38:36,550
NARRATOR: Even if
it'll come back to haunt
860
00:38:36,583 --> 00:38:38,822
the Lincoln County Sheriff's office.
861
00:38:38,855 --> 00:38:41,761
♪
862
00:38:43,264 --> 00:38:45,668
Did Arby's today.
863
00:38:45,703 --> 00:38:47,357
Turns out the timestamp on the receipt
864
00:38:47,382 --> 00:38:50,111
is when the order was placed,
not received.
865
00:38:50,144 --> 00:38:53,651
Well, there you go. That adds at
least five minutes to Russ' drive.
866
00:38:53,684 --> 00:38:54,821
There's no way he could've gotten home
867
00:38:54,854 --> 00:38:56,256
in time to kill Betsy.
868
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:58,127
Yeah, and I still don't see
any luminol photos
869
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,300
in this latest bundle from Askey.
870
00:39:01,333 --> 00:39:03,304
So they found Russ'
bloody slippers in the closet,
871
00:39:03,337 --> 00:39:04,841
but no luminol photos to show
872
00:39:04,874 --> 00:39:06,505
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
873
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:08,314
Nope.
874
00:39:08,347 --> 00:39:11,286
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
875
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,094
How they look like
they were dipped in blood.
876
00:39:15,128 --> 00:39:17,733
There's also blood on Betsy's socks.
877
00:39:17,767 --> 00:39:19,837
Like, why is there blood
on Betsy's socks
878
00:39:19,871 --> 00:39:22,977
if all of the blood loss
is around her neck and arms?
879
00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:24,613
And the socks are only on halfway,
880
00:39:24,646 --> 00:39:26,851
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
881
00:39:26,885 --> 00:39:29,322
They used the sock gloves
882
00:39:29,356 --> 00:39:32,095
to transport the murder slippers?
883
00:39:32,128 --> 00:39:33,965
Yes?
884
00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:35,836
Right? I play it out.
885
00:39:35,869 --> 00:39:38,174
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
886
00:39:38,207 --> 00:39:39,844
They get blood on the socks.
887
00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:42,883
They're in a rush.
They hit the bedroom light switch,
888
00:39:42,917 --> 00:39:44,887
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear...
889
00:39:44,921 --> 00:39:48,160
And not a fingerprint.
890
00:39:48,194 --> 00:39:51,633
No fingerprints,
no evidence of a cleanup.
891
00:39:51,667 --> 00:39:53,671
But even if Askey says
those luminol photos
892
00:39:53,705 --> 00:39:55,179
didn't turn out, we still need 'em.
893
00:39:55,204 --> 00:39:56,343
No, I'll stay on her.
894
00:39:56,376 --> 00:39:58,080
And we still need polygraph results too,
895
00:39:58,114 --> 00:39:59,884
if those even exist.
896
00:39:59,917 --> 00:40:01,788
They said... you can't fail
897
00:40:01,821 --> 00:40:04,626
a polygraph 100%, right?
It's not a thing.
898
00:40:04,659 --> 00:40:06,330
Well, they can't use it in court anyway.
899
00:40:06,363 --> 00:40:08,735
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
900
00:40:08,768 --> 00:40:10,338
from Pam to Betsy,
901
00:40:10,371 --> 00:40:14,646
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so...
902
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,416
Even without all of that,
903
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:19,189
we can still prove he got home too late.
904
00:40:19,222 --> 00:40:21,895
Got his alibi.
905
00:40:21,928 --> 00:40:24,132
We got a SODDI.
906
00:40:26,838 --> 00:40:31,146
[LINE RINGING]
907
00:40:32,215 --> 00:40:34,854
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
908
00:40:34,887 --> 00:40:36,423
Not great.
909
00:40:36,456 --> 00:40:38,929
I haven't heard from my girls.
910
00:40:38,962 --> 00:40:40,933
I mean, radio silence.
911
00:40:40,966 --> 00:40:43,705
It's not like Mariah.
912
00:40:43,738 --> 00:40:45,843
I just...
913
00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:48,080
I want to make things better, I guess.
914
00:40:48,113 --> 00:40:50,184
Yeah, well, the trial's
right around the corner
915
00:40:50,218 --> 00:40:53,224
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
916
00:40:53,257 --> 00:40:55,929
And you are gonna get your girls back
917
00:40:55,963 --> 00:40:58,702
because we got one thing
on our side that they don't,
918
00:40:58,735 --> 00:41:02,877
and it's a luxury that
I'm used to working without.
919
00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:04,914
What's that?
920
00:41:04,947 --> 00:41:07,318
The truth.
921
00:41:07,352 --> 00:41:10,959
NARRATOR: Ah, truth. A powerful thing.
922
00:41:10,993 --> 00:41:13,732
[UPBEAT JAZZY MUSIC]
923
00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:17,873
But can it prevail in
a tight-knit town like Troy?
924
00:41:17,907 --> 00:41:20,177
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
925
00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:21,781
but by the grace of God,
926
00:41:21,814 --> 00:41:24,987
I am putting this one away. Whoo!
927
00:41:25,021 --> 00:41:26,256
Cheers to you!
928
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:29,649
♪
929
00:41:37,245 --> 00:41:39,784
Yes. Yes!
930
00:41:39,817 --> 00:41:41,119
Whoo-hoo!
931
00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:43,357
♪
932
00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:47,800
Hey, let's get this hero another shot!
933
00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:49,804
♪
934
00:41:49,837 --> 00:41:51,173
Um, sir?
935
00:41:51,206 --> 00:41:52,910
Another Shirley Temple, sir.
936
00:41:52,943 --> 00:41:54,814
Sir? Hello?
937
00:41:54,847 --> 00:41:58,323
♪
938
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:06,003
NARRATOR: A tight-knit town indeed.
939
00:42:06,036 --> 00:42:08,374
♪
940
00:42:08,558 --> 00:42:12,558
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