All language subtitles for Mr.Bates vs. the Post Office - S01E04.srt - eng(2)

(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)

Hard to believe it's eight years
since our first meeting.

Even harder to believe that,

finally, 555 of us now,

ready to tell our stories to a court.

That's all fine and dandy, Alan,
but how are we going to pay for it?

Er well, James is the expert.

Er, there are a few
specialist funders

who are prepared to take on
this kind of risk.

If we win, we pay them back
out of your compensation.

If we lose, please?

Well, then they lose too.

Their entire investment.

It is high risk.

Win or lose, it costs a fortune.

And there's no guarantee
we'll ever see a penny.

And I want to make it clear

that there are a few other things

this group litigation
is not going to do for us.

I'm sorry, Jo.

Sorry, Noel.

But it's not going to overturn
any criminal convictions.

It's not going to discharge
anyone's bankruptcies.

One day.

It's not going to get back
any house repossessions.

And it's not going to repair
anyone's shattered health.

Or bring back those we've lost.

Well, also, I've got to say,

there's a few of us here

who've not much faith in the law,
after everything that's happened.

"Believe in British justice",
that's what they say.

Well...

I've told you

all the things the law's
not going to do for us

but I want you to think about
what brought us together.

All those things that we've been
fighting for, ever since.

Compensation?

Bigger than that.

Justice?

Bigger.

The truth?

(CHUCKLES) Exactly.

Yes, compensation.

Yes, justice.

But, without the truth,
we can't do either of those.

Going to law
will force the Post Office

to open their files

so finally, we'll get to know
everything the Post Office knows.

The truth.

The whole truth.

All those in favour?

Motion carried.

(APPLAUSE)

Yes, it's true that the Post Office

will now have to give us
everything they've got,

but it's also true

that in fights like this

the side with more money
usually wins.

Unless something
extraordinary happens.

Our whole case
is something extraordinary.

Yes. Yes, it is.
I couldn't agree more.

And what's very striking

is how many people rang
that helpline and were told,

"You're the only one."

Hmm.

I asked to see if that phrase
was in the helpline scripts

and the Post Office said
that there are no scripts.

Yeah, and anyone
who's rung a helpline

knows they parrot a script,
so it's clearly a lie.

So, what happened to the principle
of, "Give us everything you've got?"

Well, whatever we ask them
to disclose,

they either say the record
doesn't exist or it's not relevant.

And whatever documents
they do provide

are often pretty much
redacted to death.

Yes, I get the sense that none of
this is coming as news to Mr Bates.

Welcome to my world.

The price of everything.

I went looking for a dress
but all I could afford is a scarf.

Yeah, love.
Love, listen to me.

Did your mum tell you that
she had a doctor's appointment?

No.

She...

Look, you'd better go
and speak to her.

She's inside.

I got a new scarf.

For the court hearing.
Do you want to see?

I'm sorry, love.

I know you don't need this.

Don't need what?

I've got cancer, love.

In a place I didn't even know
was a place.

Pancreas.

Does it hurt?

Well...

Oh, god.

The look on that doctor's face.

It was me offering him the Kleenex.

He wouldn't tell me how long
I've got, but well...

Not long.

Oh.

Don't you worry about me.

You've got your case to think about.

Oh, I really don't care
about any of that.

Promise me, on my life,
you'll see it through.

Promise me, Jo, you won't rest

till the world sees the innocent
babe I held in my arms.

I promise.

I promise, Mum.

I'm sorry for your loss, Jo.

Five days we had together.

Five more days on this earth
and my lovely Mum was gone.

You really didn't need to come today.

No, I made her a promise.

But she's not even buried yet,

so don't ask me
what just happened in there.

Well, there could be
five separate trials,

but they're going to make us
wait another year

before they even start
the first one.

And you won't get called
as a witness, Jo.

They won't call anyone who's got
a criminal conviction.

Well, I'll still come every day
to support you.

Bates and Others
versus the Post Office.

I'll be Others.

I told our lawyers, I said,

"Alright, you can put my name
on the tin if you want to,

"but that doesn't mean you have to
put me in the witness box.

"Choose the best people."

Alan, you are the best people.

So, listen to this.

Three years ago,
Paula Vennells wrote...

"Is it possible to access
the system remotely or not?"

We are told it is.

And Paula then asks her managers,

"What is the true answer?

"I need to say,
'No, it is not possible

"'and that we are sure of this
because of X-X-X.'

"I need the facts."

Wow, OK.

That is an email of Paula's

that arrived this morning
in a disclosure bundle.

And it wasn't even redacted.

Well, this is, this is fundamental.

If we can prove they had
remote access to your computers

then, I mean, that means all
the criminal convictions are unsafe.

I look forward to hearing you ask her
about that in court, Patrick.

Unfortunately, the Post Office

also sent across their final list
of witnesses this morning.

And Paula Vennells is not on it.

Ha. Brilliant.

What?

What's she worried about?
That is a very strange decision.

Who are they putting up instead?

The People Services Director...

Angela van den Bogerd.

She's had more job titles
than hot dinners.

She's like a stick of Blackpool Rock

with 'Post Office'
written all the way through.

And she's a hard-faced cow.

Excellent. Why don't you tell us
how you really feel about her?

Yeah, well, never mind.

No, Alan.
Wait, wait, wait.

There is a possibility

that Patrick can still question
Angela on remote access.

Er, where is it?

This is from Angela's
witness statement.

"Subpostmasters
are solely responsible

"for their branch accounts.

"There is no transaction

"that enters their accounts
without their consent."

Well that's just not true.

And we know a man who can prove it.

What, you've got a whistleblower?

You'd be right inside,
looking at some postmaster's screen.

You could tell if he was busy,

you could see him
selling his stamps.

Remote access?
Sometimes.

Not often.

We'd go in using
the postmaster's ID.

Find the cause of his problems,
fix it, come back out.

He'd never even know.

What, so it would look like,
like he'd made the changes himself?

Yeah.

Richard, what if
you couldn't fix it?

What if you couldn't find a cause?

(DOOR BEEPS AND OPENS)

I don't know.
The postmaster took the blame?

I can't remember much detail.

And like I said to Alan,

I'm not prepared to go to court

or stick my neck out
in any way whatsoever.

Sure.

No, no, it's,
not just that Richard

is too shy to give evidence,
he's got no evidence to give.

No documents, no email.

Alternatives?

No, we really need him.

He's still the only Fujitsu insider
to ever come forward.

I meant ties.

Oh. Er...

Oh, maroon or maroon. Hmm.
(CHUCKLES)

Oh, I'm not even going to ask.

One thing I took
from the Select Committee

is it really helps to use your face.

You know, confused,
sceptical, amused.

(BOTH CHUCKLING)

And that's your master plan
for the group litigation?

Make faces at the Post Office?

555 subpostmasters in our group
and I have to go on first.

I do solemnly and sincerely
and truly declare and affirm

that the evidence I shall give
shall be the truth,

the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth.

Good morning, Mr Bates.

Mr Bates, it would be right to say

that in terms of due diligence,

you are quite a careful man,
is that fair?

You're a details man?

Yes.

At paragraph 15
of your witness statement,

you refer to being sent
an information sheet.

"The subpostmaster
is personally responsible

"for all losses or gains incurred
to Post Office cash or stock."

You were aware
you would be responsible

for that loss however large it was.

At the time we took over
the Post Office,

losses weren't a major concern.

The original deficit
of 1,182 pounds.

That is a staff error, isn't it?

No.

No, that was er,
that was definitely Horizon,

from my point of view,
without a shadow of a doubt.

it was Horizon

You got it in your mind
it was Horizon

and for evermore
it has been Horizon?

No.

Well, it jumped out.
The errors jumped out.

There couldn't have been
anything else.

I put to you generally

that the overwhelming likelihood

is that these deficits

were most likely caused by error

or wrongdoing in your branch
by you or your staff.

That is the Post Office case.

Mr Bates?

That is being put to you so that
you can tell me what the answer is.

No, my Lord.

No.

No further questions.
Thank you.

Thank you, Mr Bates.
You are excused.

A details man.
I might use that at home.

Alan did OK, I think?

I'm just so glad he went first.

I took over Barkham Post Office

when my husband died
on 3 August, 1999.

So, some 19-odd years ago?

Mm.

It is fair to say
your memory of the details

is probably pretty vague,
is that fair?

No, I don't think so.

Not particularly stunning events,
are they?

Like a car crash or something,
is that fair?

(COURTROOM MURMURS)

If you are talking about August 1999

then, yes, they are very similar
to a car crash.

You are talking about
your husband's death.

Yes.

Yes. I accept that.

Moving then forward
to your suspension

following the 18,000 pounds
odd deficit found on the audit...

Well, I was staggered
that I was suspended.

Absolutely staggered.

I was probably as angry and upset
as I have ever been in my life.

Because for the last six months,

I had been asking Post Office

to help me find the source
for these alleged shortfalls,

in order that I could...

How can I put it,

that it would stop me

from bombarding them
with phone calls, letters.

A lot of people might think,

"Well, I've received this letter,
let's look at my contract."

Let's look at section 19,
paragraph four

and see whether
they are entitled to.

Well, I couldn't do that.

I had no entry to my post office

from the day they did
the closing audit.

They took the keys away
and locked them up.

But my point is you immediately
blame it on Horizon

without really casting your mind
as to other possibilities.

I dispute that completely.

I never used to be an angry person.

And it really works, doesn't it?

I wouldn't know,
I don't get angry.

Oh, well then,
I should give it a go, Alan.

might end up killing you.

Otherwise, the stress of all this
might end up killing you.

(CHUCKLING)

Well, the Post Office
chose three witnesses

and we chose three witnesses.

The Post Office has read
555 postmasters' statements.

Why they choose me?

So, they chose Mohammad Sabir

because he has
an accountancy qualification.

So just watch them try to make him
look stupid, as well as dishonest.

Do you accept from me

that being involved over a period
of years as an assistant accountant

means that I can consider you
as not commercially naive?

I did not understand your question,
please.

Rephrase it, Mr Wentworth.

As at the time you applied
to Post Office, yes?

You were not commercially naive.

My Lord, English is not
my first language.

You had experience
of commercial things?

You weren't...

It's put me on the spot
trying to rephrase this.

At that time, I was just
thinking to buy the business,

run it, make my life better,
and serve the community.

This was my main ambition.

So if I am clear, honest,

so I don't be afraid of signing
any contract with anybody,

assuming that they are doing
everything for goodness of me

and I had already
positive thinking about this.

OK. I think you would agree
that a deficit of 4,878 pounds

is a serious matter,
do you agree with that?

No, I didn't agree.

I told them everything
what was the problem.

Have you read all the documents
which I submitted?

I rang the Post Office Helpline,

"Please can somebody ring me

"or come to my office
and resolve this problem."

But they said,
"We don't believe you.

"We have to suspend you".

I never thought
that I will lose everything

when I will be working
in the Post Office.

We are supposed to be the most
civilised country.

We don't expect anyone to behave
like the Post Office does.

Why they do this?

Well, that's the million dollar
question.

The QC was very clever.

Pick, pick, picking away at stuff.

You did everything right, Mohammad.

You told the truth
and that's all that matters.

Truth is truth.

Truth is truth.

Can't hide it.

Well, that was brilliant.

They chose him and he smashed them.

Just a pile of ash where
the Post Office used to be.

Well, we've got Angela van den Bogerd
in the witness box tomorrow.

Yeah.

You get to ask the questions.
I do, and I've got plenty.

And we get to see if we picked
the right man for the job.

(CHUCKLING)

Miss van den Bogerd,

if we could please
look at document G43, slash one.

So this is co-authored by you.

"Horizon Help has since
its introduction over a decade ago

"fallen short of delivering
the functionality

"that was promised
as part of Horizon rollout

"and that postmasters and their
assistants desperately need."

Yes.

That is an honest and candid

internal recognition
of the situation, isn't it?

There were shortcomings
in the user experience?

It's...

It's 'clunky' would be
the word I would use.

(COURTROOM MURMURS)
Clunky?

Mm-hm.

Right. So, why don't you mention
this in your witness statement?

I don't...

I suppose the length
of my witness statement,

it's so long anyway that...

Was it your understanding
that there was a restriction

on the length
of your witness statement?

The witness statement in itself
is quite lengthy anyway and so,

I suppose it was just myself.

Mr Green.

If we could go, please,
to document G38, forward slash two.

So, it's 30 January, 2015.

Mrs Vennells asks,

"Is it possible
to access the system remotely?

"I need to say,

"'No, it is not possible
and that we are sure of this.'"

So, in 2015 it would be
wrong to say, wouldn't it,

that Post Office couldn't remotely
access Horizon data?

Post Office can't.

Could it do it through Fujitsu?

Through Fujitsu.

Yes, they can.

(COURTROOM MURMURS)

Yes.

You're going to have to keep
your voice up, I'm afraid.

I'm sorry.

Sorry.

I suggest you are hesitant
to accept anything

that is damaging to Post Office?

That is not the case.

Do you feel pressure to protect
the Post Office brand now?

At this particular moment?

Yes.
No.

Can I just ask one simple question.

What exactly does
protecting a brand mean?

It, it just means that erm...

One, it is making sure
that how we do things,

how we behave,
how we interact with people,

and it's, it's just making sure

that at all times
we are maintaining that.

(FIREWORKS AND BIG BEN CHIMING
FROM TV IN BACKGROUND)

I made it past midnight,
that's pretty good for me.

(CHUCKLES)

All the meetings with MPs,

letters to the minister,

more ministers
than you can shake a stick at.

(CHUCKLES)

Years and years.

Still nobody in power
hears a word we say.

What's brought this on?

New Year's Honours List.

For god's sake.
Come on, turn it off, details man.

Come to bed.
Paula Vennells has got the CBE.

Joking.

Services to the Post Office.

(GASPS)

Always another trick
up their sleeves.

(CHUCKLES)

I'll see you up there.

The Post Office now admit

they do have remote access,

but they insist
it could never happen

without the knowledge
and permission of the subpostmaster.

Well, they're wrong.

Of course, they are.

But it's 15 years ago. More.

I can't remember the details.

I can't help you, Alan.
There must be someone else.

It's not that bad, honestly.

There'll be loads of other witnesses.

I wasn't senior, Alan.
Not at all.

And my girlfriend really doesn't
want me drawing attention to myself.

You just have to
talk to the judge.

Ignore everyone else.

You can really help us out here,
Richard.

And still be home for your tea.

I'll only disappoint you.

You'll be fine.

Jo?

Bob. What are you doing here?

I wouldn't miss this for the world.

Fujitsu technical support
giving evidence under oath.

The guy's quite shy.

Alan's worried about him.

A real live whistleblower.
It's going to be dynamite, kid.

Hmm.

Mr Roll, would you accept
that your recollection

of your time at Fujitsu is hazy?

It is quite hazy.

It could just be my perception
of events

from 15, 17 years ago.

So you're not saying that you were

routinely encountering
coding issues, are you?

Bugs?

No, no.

You don't recall ever
having encountered a bug

that definitely caused
a financial impact?

I don't recall discovering one, no.

I'm going to move on
to remote access now, Mr Roll.

My suggestion to you, will be
that you never, and would never,

manually change
a transaction line of data

that a postmaster had keyed in.

No. That is something we did,
as far as remember it.

But, ultimately, the subpostmaster
would be able to see

what Fujitsu had done.

Is that true?

Again, my understanding
is that in certain circumstances

the data would be indistig...

Indistinguishable?

Yes.
Is that what you are trying to say?

Yes, my Lord.

You couldn't tell the difference?

No. You, you couldn't tell
the difference.

Remote access to the Horizon system
at branch level was extensive.

We had the ability to change data

and change transaction information,

even while the postmaster
was working.

Without the postmaster being aware?

Yes.

That is my understanding.

Your understanding?

No.

My recollection.

Thought he was great in the end,

I wonder if it's enough.

I asked you a question, Bob.

Years ago when we first met.

Yup, Bob,

where did all our money go?

36,000 pounds
they took off me.

Yeah, I think, and can't prove it,
Jo, not yet, but will,

that the money you gave them,
that they claimed you owed them,

hung around in some sort of
suspense account for a while,

while they failed to investigate.

And after a couple of years,

your money, everyone's money,

it just showed up in their profits.

My 36,000 pounds,
that I didn't steal,

that they actually stole off me

to pay off a debt
that never existed

is in the Post Office profits.

I just,

I mean,

are they just incompetent, Alan?

Or just evil?

Well, you know, it comes
to the same thing in the end.

Another one?
Please.

Definitely.

The Post Office describes itself
on its own website as

"The nation's most trusted brand."

Well, so far as these Claimants
are concerned,

this might be thought
to be wholly wishful thinking.

The Post Office witnesses
give me the impression

that they simply cannot
allow themselves

to consider the possibility
that the Post Office may be wrong

as the consequences of doing so
are too significant to contemplate.

Angela van den Bogerd did not always
give me frank evidence.

She sought to mislead me.

Her judgment also seem
to have be uniquely exercised

to paint the Post Office

in the most favourable
light possible,

regardless of the facts.

Mr Bates seemed to me to offer
his evidence honestly and...

Has proved himself
to be unreasonable, stubborn

and a considerable irritant
to the Post Office.

He's got you to a tee.

Yeah.

Yeah, and the Post Office too.

Oppressive, unfair,
excessive secrecy

and, well, 180,000 other words,
just the same.

Sorry. We've got to get back
into court now.

Why?
Something's come up.

Hold on, love.

I just saw this five minutes ago.

It's an application
for me to recuse myself

as being the managing judge
in these proceedings.

Mr Wentworth,
would you care to elaborate?

The Post Office has asked the judge
to sack himself

on the grounds
that he's clearly biased

against the Post Office.

Amazing.

This is the best day ever.

It's like a gift from heaven.

Proof they're desperate.
Absolutely.

I mean in my world, Alan,

the most catastrophic mistake
you can make

is to make unfounded allegations
of bias against a judge.

I mean, you just don't, you,

I've never even heard...

They're idiots.

I bet it wasn't the lawyers
who decided to do this.

I bet it came
from the Post Office boardroom.

Yeah, well, to be a fly
on the wall, eh?

Well, we're winning.

Well, yes, but...

Oh. I should have known
there was a but coming over the hill.

Well, the trial stops now.

It'll be weeks, well,
months of arguments to follow,

on whether we need a new judge.

It's a delay
the Post Office can afford.

But we can't.

That's why they're doing this,

to make us run out of money.

Alan, we have run out of money.

No.

No, no, we,
we can't stop now.

No-one's talking about stopping.

Not at all.

But it is time

to start negotiating a settlement.

I think you're forgetting
I've negotiated with this mob before.

And people have died.

Well, people are still dying.

You know this, alright,
but nobody else does.

There's millions of people out there
who've never even heard of us.

Who don't know about the suicides
and the, the ruined lives.

God knows how many victims who are,

who are still too scared
to come forward.

I haven't spent 20 years battling
these bastards to pack up now

and give the Post Office licence

to start running amok
and destroying lives.

Again.

Well...

Well, I've said enough.

We have to win.

Alan, we just did.

This is what winning looks like.

You're talking as though
this is a defeat

and it's, it's really not.

This is just what happens
towards the end of any litigation.

We, we get around a table.

And if we don't,
and we lose in that arena,

we lose everything
we've achieved so far.

And the clock sets back to zero.

So, it's about knowing when to stop
and when to negotiate.

So, that's it, give up now?

No. No.

We settle.

Same thing.

REPORTER: Mrs Vennells?
Paula Vennells?

Yes.

Ned Foster, 'Daily Mail'.
Oh.

Would you like to say anything
to the postmasters

who've been through
such a long legal battle?

No. I, really find
this unacceptable.

Would you like to apologise to them?

Will you just go away?

So, you won't apologise to them?
No, please, go away.

Well, can confirm then,
Mrs Vennells,

you're saying you will not apologise
to the postmasters

after everything that
they've been through?

WOMAN: (VIA RADIO)
After an epic legal battle

during which the Post Office tried
and failed to remove the judge,

the subpostmasters have won
on almost every count.

Their victory comes
with a compensation package

worth 58 million pounds.

Well, you took them on and you won.

And I cannot overstate enough
quite the scale of this achievement.

It is more than we could ever have
ever dreamed of from the beginning.

It is an absolutely
astonishing victory.

In my professional career,

I have never seen anything
quite like this so...

(APPLAUSE)

Having, having said that,

I do need to make you aware

that inevitably there are legal fees
and court costs

and our obligations to our funders
that will eat into that total.

So...

The amount that will be left
after that to,

divide amongst yourselves
as compensation

will be in the region
of 12 million pounds.

Wait, 12 million between 555?

That, that's, that's what,

what, 20, 20 grand each?

On, on average, yes.

20,000 pounds?

That, that, that won't touch
the sides of what we've lost.

Listen, I understand,
but what you must remember

is that today's settlement
opens a lot of doors.

So that people with convictions
can now use these judgments

to help with their appeals
going forward forever so...

(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

But what this also means

is that those subpostmasters
who've been too scared

to come forward up to now
will be able to do so without fear.

Friends,

we did talk this over
and over again

and we knew we might not see a penny

but we decided,
we voted, to go ahead.

They got paid, right?

(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

Excuse me, excuse me.
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

Excuse me!

I've been in court every single day

and saw us with my own eyes
winning the most massive victory.

And that's all down
to Alan and James and Patrick

and their hard work,
so could you just all,

stop it.

It's never going to end, is it?

Our legal team worked for free
a lot of the time,

and none of them,

not even the funders took anything
like the fees they were due.

Well, anyway,
it's not about money, is it?

Well, it is. Partly.

Mostly.
You know what mean.

You won, Alan.

You set out to prove Horizon
is faulty and you did it.

You won.

But everyone is still skint.

Alan.

Lee, I want to...

We're not attacking you, Alan.

Everyone can see you did your best.

And thank you.

I mean that.

Don't listen to the angry people.

They're upset. Tired.

I know.

It's alright.

Just remember, we'd be nowhere
without you, Mr Bates.

You're a legend.

There from the beginning
and you never wavered.

Never.

Not for all those long years.

Just been a tower of strength
and new ideas.

Oh, am I embarrassing you?

Listen,

Jo, all this evidence
the litigation has dug up,

you know, all the secrets
coming out of the woodwork?

Well, we got to the truth.

It belongs to us now.

Use it. Prove your innocence.

Go to the Court of Appeal

and show the world what a miscarriage
of justice really looks like.

Alright, Alan.

But what are you going to do?

Oh, there's a pint of beer
in Wales with my name on it.

I think people are bitter.

They're angry and I get it, do.

I'm bitter, I'm angry.

And I care about the money,
of course I do.

I care about the home
we should have had,

the life we could have had and,

but I care about justice too.

And you.

I care about you,

so don't you dare
go blaming yourself.

I don't.

You have absolutely nothing
to blame yourself for.

And that's why don't blame myself.

Come on, let's get home.

I suppose I've,

I've never seen the point
of getting angry, Suzanne.

I treat it like a job, you know?

It's something lift off the shelf
and then put back after.

Yeah, funnily enough,
I don't really remember that part,

the putting it back
on the shelf part.

All those seven days a week,
365 days a year part.

And also, Alan,

jobs are things that people
are paid to do.

Yes, something went
a bit wrong there.

You're not actually giving up
at all, are you?

Well,

there's the small matter of every one
of the 555 getting their money back.

And then there's the small matter

of the right people
holding up their hands

to take the blame.

Paula Vennells?

The British Government.

Why?

Well, 'cause the government
is the one and only owner

of the good ship Post Office

which doesn't have a penny
in its coffers

owing to the fact
it's spent it all fighting us.

All of which means that, in the end,

Her Majesty's government is going
to have to hold up its hands,

accept responsibility
for this fiasco,

and pay us the compensation
we deserve.

When people say, "The government,"
they really mean taxpayer,

but nobody would begrudge you.

We established the truth
in a court of law, James.

And now I'm focussing on the 555

who need their lives
putting back together.

You don't give up, do you?
You awkward sod.

Well, someone's got to be.

Alan, cast your mind back
if you will, to the summer of 2013.

Bob was doing his review.

And you were fighting me
every inch of the way.

I was right though.

And at the same time
the Post Office, in secret,

and at the highest level,

were commissioning
independent legal advice.

This lawyer's report
establishes beyond doubt

that the Post Office lied to,
and were in contempt of, Parliament.

You were right.

It also proves that all the time
we were wading through treacle

trying to investigate,

senior Post Office executives
were shredding documents.

And failing to disclose
that they knew

there were unsafe convictions.

Did, did Paula know?

It's not possible to say
with any certainty.

PAULA: I want to say
that am deeply sorry

for those subpostmasters
who have suffered.

I have read many of their stories,
and they are harrowing.

They are with me every day.

I was and remain deeply disturbed
by what has come to light,

it is contrary to what believed

through my time as CEO
of Post Office

between 2012 and 2019.

I wish to state for the record

that I do not accept
any personal criminal misconduct.

WOMAN: Morning, Jo. Good luck.
WOMAN TWO: Morning, Jo. Good luck.

Oh, thank you.

This judgment concerns
42 men and women

who were all prosecuted
by their employer

and convicted of crimes
of dishonesty.

Josephine Hamilton pleaded guilty
to 14 counts of false accounting.

There was no examination of the data
for bugs, errors or defects.

There was no proof of an actual loss

as opposed
to an Horizon-generated shortage.

Even more alarming,

Post Office Limited's
own investigator had reported

there was no evidence of theft.

We conclude Mrs Hamilton's
prosecution was unfair

and an affront to Justice.

We allow her appeal.

We quash her convictions.

Notwithstanding his guilty plea,
Noel Thomas' conviction is unsafe.

We allow his appeal.

His prosecution was unfair
and an affront to justice.

In the case of Susan Rudkin,
we allow her appeal.

Her conviction is unsafe.

Very sadly,
three of the applicants,

Julian Wilson, Peter Holmes
and Donald Connor

have not lived to see the outcome
of their appeals.

I don't know.

REPORTER: Should the Post Office
bosses go to prison too?

Alright, enough.
Come on, Noel.

No. No, no.
I've been to jail.

I know what it's like.

It doesn't do any good.

Hit them in their pockets.

Take their money off them.

It's the only language
they'll understand.

Good lad.

On you go.

You should have gone down
for these appeals.

It's not about me, is it?

Where's Jo?

There she is.

REPORTER: Jo? Do you think
the Post Office should pay?

Oh, I don't know.

We've waited so long
for this day,

and some of us didn't make it,
people have died, you know?

And all we ever wanted
was for the truth to come out

and for someone to listen.

It didn't have to be like this.

All these good people,
their lives in ruins.

I mean, look at us,
do we look like criminals?

(APPLAUSE AND CHEERS)

Bob!

Congratulations Jo.

Not just unfair but look at this,
"An affront to justice."

That's like, twice as bad.

No, that's 100 times as bad.

And you were like lambs
to the slaughter,

and they were villains and idiots.

Hey you.

If you make me cry,
you're a bad man.

Josephine Hamilton and Others
versus the Post Office.

Look, Alan.

Look what we did.
Look what you did.

Come on!

Yes! Yes!

It's jaw-droppingly significant.

The Judges have not only ruled

that Jo and the others
were wrongfully convicted,

but even worse,

that the Post Office decision
to prosecute them was so wrong

that it amounts to an affront
to the conscience of the court.

This has to be
the widest miscarriage of justice

in British legal history.

(CHEERING)

I know what you're thinking.

Well, it's not over, is it?

Well, how about we just allow
ourselves to enjoy it?

OK.

(TYPING IN THE DISTANCE)

Alan?

Just one email.

Minister of Postal Affairs.

"Re legal costs
for our 555 claimants.

"Total now due:"

Plus another month's interest at 8%.

It mounts up.

On what planet is the government
going to pay our legal costs?

They'll have to.

They own the Post office,
sole shareholder.

The only one.

The only one awkward enough
to sit at his computer

making trouble for 20 years.

20 years so far.

Just think of it as a hobby
that got out of hand.

(CHUCKLING)