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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,417 --> 00:00:21,334 ♪ 4 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:43,584 [Crowd cheering] 5 00:00:48,042 --> 00:00:49,125 TV ANNOUNCER: We will hear 6 00:00:49,209 --> 00:00:50,500 from the President of the United States. 7 00:00:50,584 --> 00:00:52,209 He will address the country in mere moments now, 8 00:00:52,292 --> 00:00:53,626 speaking from the east room. 9 00:00:53,709 --> 00:00:57,209 It is going to be a confirmation of a huge development. 10 00:01:02,042 --> 00:01:03,250 BARACK OBAMA: Good evening. 11 00:01:03,334 --> 00:01:06,876 Tonight, I can report to the American people 12 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,083 and to the world-- 13 00:01:09,167 --> 00:01:11,918 the United States has conducted an operation that killed 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,542 Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda. 15 00:01:30,876 --> 00:01:33,334 Tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence 16 00:01:33,417 --> 00:01:34,834 and counterterrorism professionals 17 00:01:34,918 --> 00:01:37,709 who worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. 18 00:01:39,125 --> 00:01:41,834 OBAMA: The American people do not see their work, 19 00:01:41,918 --> 00:01:43,292 nor know their names, 20 00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:46,792 but tonight they feel the satisfaction of their work. 21 00:01:59,125 --> 00:02:02,709 ♪ 22 00:02:02,792 --> 00:02:05,834 [Man speaking foreign language] 23 00:02:13,125 --> 00:02:20,042 ♪ 24 00:03:35,709 --> 00:03:38,375 WOMAN, VOICE-OVER: I think women make fantastic analysts. 25 00:03:40,792 --> 00:03:44,459 We have patience and perseverance. 26 00:03:47,834 --> 00:03:51,167 And we're not always looking for the sexy payoff immediately. 27 00:03:57,667 --> 00:03:59,167 DIFFERENT WOMAN, VOICE-OVER: You know, trying to keep track 28 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:00,667 of all the threads of various threats, 29 00:04:00,751 --> 00:04:02,542 and which ones are real and which ones aren't real 30 00:04:02,626 --> 00:04:04,751 and what connects to what. 31 00:04:04,834 --> 00:04:06,500 And, you know, people say, 32 00:04:06,584 --> 00:04:08,542 "Why didn't you connect the dots?" 33 00:04:08,626 --> 00:04:10,500 "Well, because the whole page is black?" 34 00:04:23,083 --> 00:04:25,292 DIFFERENT WOMAN, VOICE-OVER: To pull a story 35 00:04:25,375 --> 00:04:27,042 out of all of this information, 36 00:04:27,125 --> 00:04:29,709 but there is no one single intelligence looking 37 00:04:29,792 --> 00:04:31,083 at all this information. 38 00:04:31,167 --> 00:04:33,334 It's a lot of different brains looking. 39 00:04:33,417 --> 00:04:36,334 So the more that you can bring people together 40 00:04:36,417 --> 00:04:38,667 and, you know, share what's important, 41 00:04:38,751 --> 00:04:41,125 the better it works. 42 00:04:41,209 --> 00:04:43,959 At that time, the people who had 43 00:04:44,042 --> 00:04:46,709 really deep expertise in al-Qaeda... 44 00:04:46,792 --> 00:04:48,876 you know, they were women. 45 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:54,209 And they did a job that at first did not make them 46 00:04:54,292 --> 00:04:55,667 very popular with their managers. 47 00:04:55,751 --> 00:05:01,292 I was counseled once in a performance review 48 00:05:01,375 --> 00:05:03,626 that I was spending too much time working on bin Laden. 49 00:05:04,834 --> 00:05:06,709 [Chuckles] 50 00:05:06,792 --> 00:05:10,042 They said we were obsessed crusaders, 51 00:05:10,125 --> 00:05:11,417 overly emotional. 52 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:15,000 You know, using all those women's stereotypes. 53 00:05:15,083 --> 00:05:18,167 Men throw chairs. Women cry. 54 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:20,250 I ask you, Which one is better? 55 00:05:21,542 --> 00:05:23,918 Yes, we were borderline obsessed, 56 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,292 but I thought it was for a good reason. 57 00:05:26,375 --> 00:05:27,584 And were we crusading? 58 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:29,250 I wouldn't call it a crusade. 59 00:05:29,334 --> 00:05:30,667 Were we passionate about what they were doing? 60 00:05:30,751 --> 00:05:31,959 Absolutely. 61 00:05:32,042 --> 00:05:33,542 And that's another bureaucratic norm of the time. 62 00:05:33,626 --> 00:05:35,417 You weren't supposed to be passionate about anything, 63 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:36,792 which I think is ridiculous. 64 00:05:36,876 --> 00:05:38,459 How can you do something like this without passion? 65 00:05:38,542 --> 00:05:39,667 You can't. 66 00:05:45,918 --> 00:05:48,500 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language] 67 00:06:18,834 --> 00:06:22,250 DIFFERENT WOMAN: "Take a stand. We drove out the Russians. 68 00:06:22,334 --> 00:06:24,584 "We destroyed the Russian empire. 69 00:06:24,667 --> 00:06:26,083 "Now we'll drive out the Americans 70 00:06:26,167 --> 00:06:28,125 "and we'll destroy the U.S. empire. 71 00:06:28,209 --> 00:06:31,792 It worked then, it'll work here." 72 00:06:31,876 --> 00:06:33,709 He felt like the United States 73 00:06:33,792 --> 00:06:38,250 was driving a world movement against Muslims 74 00:06:38,334 --> 00:06:41,792 and was the driver for everything 75 00:06:41,876 --> 00:06:44,417 that was happening that was bad. 76 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:48,918 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language on recording] 77 00:07:13,626 --> 00:07:16,667 CINDY STORER: Your starting point is Afghanistan. 78 00:07:16,751 --> 00:07:20,209 Abdullah Azzam is the godfather of the Afghan jihad. 79 00:07:20,292 --> 00:07:22,751 He is the one who called everyone to go and fight 80 00:07:22,834 --> 00:07:25,125 in Afghanistan against the Soviets. 81 00:07:25,209 --> 00:07:28,417 He helped set up a council of charities to bring 82 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:30,667 people and money to help with jihad. 83 00:07:30,751 --> 00:07:33,667 And his partner was Osama bin Laden. 84 00:07:33,751 --> 00:07:36,876 SUSAN HASLER: A link chart is the visual representation 85 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:38,709 of a terrorist network. 86 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:40,542 And it's what terrorism analysts spend 87 00:07:40,626 --> 00:07:43,292 much of their time building. 88 00:07:43,375 --> 00:07:45,125 STORER: My mental image is that, you know, I'm doing 89 00:07:45,209 --> 00:07:46,292 Jacob's ladder. 90 00:07:46,375 --> 00:07:47,542 You've got the string where you're pulling 91 00:07:47,626 --> 00:07:48,876 the strings in your fingers. 92 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:50,626 I feel like that's what I'm doing mentally. 93 00:07:50,709 --> 00:07:54,209 ♪ 94 00:07:54,292 --> 00:07:56,042 STORER: Well, we certainly didn't know 95 00:07:56,125 --> 00:07:57,334 that al-Qaeda existed. 96 00:07:57,417 --> 00:07:59,584 We didn't know there was a terrorist organization. 97 00:07:59,667 --> 00:08:01,250 We knew there was a very wealthy man 98 00:08:01,334 --> 00:08:02,584 named Osama bin Laden, 99 00:08:02,667 --> 00:08:04,667 who was funding a lot of terrorist groups. 100 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:07,000 We knew that there were people from terrorist groups 101 00:08:07,083 --> 00:08:08,876 from all over the world, hanging out in Afghanistan 102 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:11,375 and in bin Laden's circle. 103 00:08:11,459 --> 00:08:13,500 So you start to see signs of what looks like 104 00:08:13,584 --> 00:08:14,959 an organization. 105 00:08:15,042 --> 00:08:17,709 But is this bin Laden as a financial manager 106 00:08:17,792 --> 00:08:19,292 with a bunch of companies funding 107 00:08:19,375 --> 00:08:21,042 various terrorist groups 108 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:23,834 or is there a separate terrorist group here? 109 00:08:23,918 --> 00:08:25,584 And that was a big question. 110 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:31,834 ♪ 111 00:08:31,918 --> 00:08:34,000 Even in the analytical community, there's 112 00:08:34,083 --> 00:08:35,584 a relatively smaller percentage of people 113 00:08:35,667 --> 00:08:38,125 who are really good at making sense 114 00:08:38,209 --> 00:08:42,292 of information that doesn't appear to be connected. 115 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:43,792 So this is what we call pattern analysis-- 116 00:08:43,876 --> 00:08:45,626 trying to figure out what things look like. 117 00:08:45,709 --> 00:08:48,209 And those people, you really need those people to work 118 00:08:48,292 --> 00:08:50,459 on an issue like terrorism, counter-narcotic, 119 00:08:50,542 --> 00:08:52,542 international arms trafficking 120 00:08:52,626 --> 00:08:53,918 because you've got 121 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,334 bits and pieces of scattered information 122 00:08:55,417 --> 00:08:56,584 from all over the place 123 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:58,500 and you have to try to make some sense of it. 124 00:09:00,209 --> 00:09:01,709 And these are organizations-- 125 00:09:01,792 --> 00:09:03,250 certainly al-Qaeda was one-- 126 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,459 didn't even want to announce their presence to the world 127 00:09:05,542 --> 00:09:06,918 for a long time. 128 00:09:08,834 --> 00:09:10,125 You have to try to figure out they're there 129 00:09:10,209 --> 00:09:11,918 when they're trying to deny, even to their friends, 130 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,584 that they exist. 131 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:19,292 That takes this talent, which is also a skill, 132 00:09:19,375 --> 00:09:22,626 and people would refer to it as magic. 133 00:09:22,709 --> 00:09:24,250 Not the analysts doing it, 134 00:09:24,334 --> 00:09:26,083 but other people who didn't have that talent 135 00:09:26,167 --> 00:09:28,125 referred to it as magic. 136 00:09:30,542 --> 00:09:33,417 What I have here are four half-dollars. 137 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:34,876 MAN, VOICE-OVER: When you're following 138 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,584 an intelligence event, sometimes things move 139 00:09:37,667 --> 00:09:40,584 and change in ways that you can't see. 140 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:42,500 You might think it's in one place, 141 00:09:42,584 --> 00:09:43,876 and it pops up in another, 142 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,751 and you can't see how that happens. 143 00:09:47,834 --> 00:09:51,167 MAN: So these coins are gonna jump one at a time 144 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:53,709 from here all the way over to here. 145 00:09:53,792 --> 00:09:58,959 But they're going to do it invisibly. 146 00:10:00,918 --> 00:10:03,292 1, 2, 3, 4. Watch. 147 00:10:09,083 --> 00:10:11,500 See it jump? Heh. Heh. 148 00:10:11,584 --> 00:10:13,500 JOHN McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER: Reality is changing 149 00:10:13,584 --> 00:10:15,542 all the time. 150 00:10:17,375 --> 00:10:20,584 A single fact may come in which dramatically changes 151 00:10:20,667 --> 00:10:22,125 your understanding and your projection 152 00:10:22,209 --> 00:10:24,751 of where something's going. 153 00:10:24,834 --> 00:10:26,751 McLAUGHLIN: Two and two. 154 00:10:26,834 --> 00:10:27,959 Are you with me? 155 00:10:28,042 --> 00:10:29,542 McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER: Now, an analyst 156 00:10:29,626 --> 00:10:31,834 in the intelligence profession 157 00:10:31,918 --> 00:10:34,918 is dealing with highly ambiguous situations 158 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,751 in which information is arriving incrementally, 159 00:10:37,834 --> 00:10:39,375 in fragments. 160 00:10:39,459 --> 00:10:41,083 Are you with me? 161 00:10:41,167 --> 00:10:43,167 McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER: You never get the whole picture. 162 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:46,167 The picture changes as these pieces arrive. 163 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:51,626 Your perception of reality changes. 164 00:10:51,709 --> 00:10:54,626 You have to be very clear about what you concretely 165 00:10:54,709 --> 00:10:56,542 know and what you don't know. 166 00:10:56,626 --> 00:11:03,542 ♪ 167 00:11:10,918 --> 00:11:13,375 Alec Station was a collection of people 168 00:11:13,459 --> 00:11:15,250 who had backgrounds in everything 169 00:11:15,334 --> 00:11:17,918 from analysis to operations. 170 00:11:20,667 --> 00:11:22,167 When you think about the CIA, 171 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:23,918 there's a few different cultures there. 172 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,042 One is an analytic culture-- 173 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:27,834 people who try to assess things, 174 00:11:27,918 --> 00:11:31,125 figure out what is actually happening somewhere 175 00:11:31,209 --> 00:11:32,876 and project ahead-- 176 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:34,459 and an operational culture, 177 00:11:34,542 --> 00:11:36,834 that is, people who go out and collect intelligence, 178 00:11:36,918 --> 00:11:38,626 develop human spies, 179 00:11:38,709 --> 00:11:41,459 handle them, run them, if you will. 180 00:11:41,542 --> 00:11:45,083 ♪ 181 00:11:45,167 --> 00:11:47,375 The unique thing about Alec Station was 182 00:11:47,459 --> 00:11:51,667 the fusion of analysis and operations. 183 00:11:51,751 --> 00:11:54,125 We pushed the analysts and the operations people 184 00:11:54,209 --> 00:11:56,334 together, so the operations people knew everything 185 00:11:56,417 --> 00:11:57,709 the analysts were thinking 186 00:11:57,792 --> 00:11:59,250 and the analysts knew everything 187 00:11:59,334 --> 00:12:01,292 the operations people were doing. 188 00:12:01,375 --> 00:12:05,542 Covertly, clandestinely, secretly, dangerously. 189 00:12:05,626 --> 00:12:08,751 And the fusion of those two things gave 190 00:12:08,834 --> 00:12:11,167 that organization the magic it had. 191 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:17,042 STORER: The people I worked with in the beginning were 192 00:12:17,125 --> 00:12:18,584 six women. 193 00:12:19,876 --> 00:12:21,542 I walked in my first day there. 194 00:12:21,626 --> 00:12:22,792 I turned around to my colleagues-- 195 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:24,042 this is a bay of six analysts-- 196 00:12:24,125 --> 00:12:26,292 and I said, "Does anybody have any Tums?" 197 00:12:26,375 --> 00:12:28,292 And all these drawers open 198 00:12:28,375 --> 00:12:29,876 with these gigantic bottles! 199 00:12:29,959 --> 00:12:31,459 I thought, "Oh, my God. 200 00:12:31,542 --> 00:12:33,167 What have I done to myself?" Ha ha! 201 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:34,834 When I moved over, there was 202 00:12:34,918 --> 00:12:36,834 a group of women that I reached out to. 203 00:12:36,918 --> 00:12:40,083 We were trying to protect the United States. 204 00:12:40,167 --> 00:12:42,042 Whether we could do that, 205 00:12:42,125 --> 00:12:44,918 it's a big...it's a big burden. 206 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,334 I was drawn to those women 207 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:48,459 because of the job that they were doing. 208 00:12:48,542 --> 00:12:51,542 I mean, substantively they were so immersed in finding 209 00:12:51,626 --> 00:12:53,792 bin Laden and tracking, 210 00:12:53,876 --> 00:12:55,167 and some of them had been around working 211 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:56,626 this subject matter for so long 212 00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:59,292 that they were the people I went to. 213 00:12:59,375 --> 00:13:01,125 It wasn't even because they were women. 214 00:13:01,209 --> 00:13:05,083 Gina Bennett was a mentor of mine and still is. 215 00:13:05,167 --> 00:13:08,834 She worked on al-Qaeda for 20 years. 216 00:13:08,918 --> 00:13:12,542 Gina and Barbara, they put a stake in the ground 217 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:14,500 and said, "It's OK if we're not operations officers. 218 00:13:14,584 --> 00:13:16,500 We can be just as effective." 219 00:13:16,584 --> 00:13:18,417 BARBARA SUDE: The rest of the organization 220 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:21,250 didn't necessarily think much of terrorism analysts. 221 00:13:21,334 --> 00:13:23,334 They said, "Well, the terrorism people are just tracking 222 00:13:23,417 --> 00:13:27,417 "things. That's not-- real analysis. 223 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:29,667 That's just tracking things." 224 00:13:29,751 --> 00:13:33,500 So we poor, lowly terrorism analysts, 225 00:13:33,584 --> 00:13:35,500 we were tracking things. 226 00:13:35,584 --> 00:13:37,584 You're gonna have certain kinds of people who are 227 00:13:37,667 --> 00:13:39,500 going to be the first ones to see something. 228 00:13:39,584 --> 00:13:40,834 When you're the first one 229 00:13:40,918 --> 00:13:42,292 off the block, by definition 230 00:13:42,375 --> 00:13:44,834 you're going to be in the minority. 231 00:13:44,918 --> 00:13:46,417 That's what we were. 232 00:13:53,626 --> 00:13:56,792 NADA BAKOS: She was very dedicated to her job. 233 00:13:56,876 --> 00:13:59,125 She was there a lot. 234 00:13:59,209 --> 00:14:01,250 STORER: You know, Jennifer was one of that first group, 235 00:14:01,334 --> 00:14:04,584 and she was always very intense, very focused, 236 00:14:04,667 --> 00:14:07,751 really passionate about it from the beginning 237 00:14:07,834 --> 00:14:09,500 and a real hard-charger from the beginning. 238 00:14:09,584 --> 00:14:12,417 Jennifer was focused on finding bin Laden. 239 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:17,500 She was adamant that she was gonna stay around 240 00:14:17,584 --> 00:14:19,918 on that team until it was done. 241 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,542 ♪ 242 00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:25,709 She could be really abrasive. 243 00:14:25,792 --> 00:14:27,083 [Laughs] 244 00:14:27,167 --> 00:14:31,250 Yeah, but, you know, teams are made up 245 00:14:31,334 --> 00:14:32,834 of people with all different kinds of personalities. 246 00:14:32,918 --> 00:14:35,083 And at the end of the day, that doesn't really matter. 247 00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:37,375 What matters is getting the job done. 248 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:39,375 And she certainly could do that. 249 00:14:39,459 --> 00:14:41,792 We had a camaraderie. 250 00:14:41,876 --> 00:14:43,626 And in the beginning, we were such a small organization 251 00:14:43,709 --> 00:14:47,167 that we really had a very close relationship. 252 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:54,167 ♪ 253 00:15:00,042 --> 00:15:02,000 [Birds chirping] 254 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,584 BAKOS: On the operations side, 255 00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:15,834 this is where all the spies work. 256 00:15:17,876 --> 00:15:19,959 STORER: Which are the ones you always see in the movies 257 00:15:20,042 --> 00:15:21,083 running around recruiting assets 258 00:15:21,167 --> 00:15:22,918 and playing James Bond or whatever. 259 00:15:24,083 --> 00:15:26,000 It is dangerous. It is dangerous. 260 00:15:26,083 --> 00:15:28,542 These guys need confidence to be able to pull that off. 261 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:33,500 BAKOS: There is a fair amount of bravado. 262 00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:36,292 You know, we're case officers, right? 263 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:38,000 We're the jet fighters, we're the gangsters, 264 00:15:38,083 --> 00:15:39,167 we're the doers. 265 00:15:39,250 --> 00:15:41,000 You know, analysts? Come on, man. 266 00:15:41,083 --> 00:15:43,334 I think a component of the personality 267 00:15:43,417 --> 00:15:44,584 in some cases for the job. 268 00:15:44,667 --> 00:15:46,584 There's varying degrees of that. 269 00:15:46,667 --> 00:15:49,042 ♪ 270 00:15:49,125 --> 00:15:52,125 MAN, VOICE-OVER: I was out in the bush, in that arena, 271 00:15:52,209 --> 00:15:55,083 downrange, regardless of environment. 272 00:15:55,167 --> 00:15:56,542 Often times, you see in the movies-- 273 00:15:56,626 --> 00:15:57,959 you talk about agents. 274 00:15:58,042 --> 00:15:59,584 You know, he's a CIA agent. 275 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:01,209 Well, the agents are the people we recruit. 276 00:16:01,292 --> 00:16:03,375 "Hi. I'm CIA. I'm assigned to this embassy. 277 00:16:03,459 --> 00:16:04,751 Would you like to be a spy?" 278 00:16:04,834 --> 00:16:06,626 That's why it doesn't work that way. 279 00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:20,125 MARTY MARTIN: A case officer's job is to spot, 280 00:16:20,209 --> 00:16:21,667 assess, and develop... 281 00:16:21,751 --> 00:16:23,792 ♪ 282 00:16:23,876 --> 00:16:27,000 find people who have access to secrets, 283 00:16:27,083 --> 00:16:28,709 get to know them, 284 00:16:28,792 --> 00:16:31,500 get them to trust you, 285 00:16:31,584 --> 00:16:33,375 recruit them, 286 00:16:33,459 --> 00:16:35,042 and then keep them safe. 287 00:16:35,125 --> 00:16:40,626 In my particular experience, because I do speak Arabic... 288 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:42,834 [Marty Martin speaking foreign language] 289 00:16:51,375 --> 00:16:54,042 I have been asked to meet some of our friends 290 00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:58,167 in risky areas, dangerous areas. 291 00:16:59,918 --> 00:17:01,751 Obviously, you need to get to the point 292 00:17:01,834 --> 00:17:03,417 of building trust. 293 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:06,918 They look in your face, and they see an American 294 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,500 who has risked a lot to get there 295 00:17:09,584 --> 00:17:11,709 to sit down and meet with them. 296 00:17:11,792 --> 00:17:15,709 They do believe, honestly, that you care 297 00:17:15,792 --> 00:17:19,042 for their welfare, you care for them, 298 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:22,876 and you respect what they're providing you with. 299 00:17:26,792 --> 00:17:28,584 You're playing this chess game. 300 00:18:15,584 --> 00:18:17,667 [Osama bin Laden dialogue continues] 301 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:23,375 MAN, VOICE-OVER: He was recruiting 302 00:18:23,459 --> 00:18:26,834 basically very idealistic Saudi university students 303 00:18:26,918 --> 00:18:28,709 to come to fight the Soviets. 304 00:18:28,792 --> 00:18:30,959 Then some of them went to Afghanistan, 305 00:18:31,042 --> 00:18:32,542 including bin Laden himself. 306 00:18:32,626 --> 00:18:39,542 ♪ 307 00:18:45,626 --> 00:18:47,000 It's intensely religious. 308 00:18:47,083 --> 00:18:48,334 I mean, coming here was 309 00:18:48,417 --> 00:18:49,792 an intensely religious experience 310 00:18:49,876 --> 00:18:52,083 for these very idealistic young Muslim men. 311 00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:54,751 And, you know, these magazines have many stories 312 00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:56,709 about people being martyred fighting the Soviets 313 00:18:56,792 --> 00:18:58,167 and their bodies don't decompose 314 00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:59,792 or their bodies smell of perfume. 315 00:18:59,876 --> 00:19:02,959 And this was a highly effective propaganda to get 316 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:05,125 other people to come and volunteer. 317 00:19:07,959 --> 00:19:10,042 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language continues] 318 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:28,959 PETER BERGEN: This magazine called "Jihad" 319 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:32,876 was on sale in countries around the Islamic world. 320 00:19:32,959 --> 00:19:36,626 The very first copy was published in 1984. 321 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:38,250 There's a guy called Abu Abdullah 322 00:19:38,334 --> 00:19:40,959 in these magazines, and that was bin Laden. 323 00:19:42,709 --> 00:19:45,334 No one really knew who bin Laden was at the time. 324 00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:48,500 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language] 325 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,542 STORER: So during the Afghan-Soviet war, 326 00:20:04,626 --> 00:20:06,876 the camps were set up by bin Laden and others 327 00:20:06,959 --> 00:20:09,334 to train Afghans and people from-- 328 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:10,792 who came from all over the world 329 00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:13,375 to go and fight against the Soviets. 330 00:20:13,459 --> 00:20:17,459 ♪ 331 00:20:17,542 --> 00:20:20,792 Towards the end of the war, some of these camps 332 00:20:20,876 --> 00:20:22,209 got converted over 333 00:20:22,292 --> 00:20:25,083 into urban guerilla warfare camps. 334 00:20:25,167 --> 00:20:27,667 And this is as, what we now know 335 00:20:27,751 --> 00:20:30,000 was al-Qaeda, were taking over some of these camps, 336 00:20:30,083 --> 00:20:31,876 and they were starting to train people 337 00:20:31,959 --> 00:20:33,292 to conduct urban guerilla warfare 338 00:20:33,375 --> 00:20:36,292 in various countries, like Egypt and Algeria. 339 00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:39,751 ♪ 340 00:20:39,834 --> 00:20:42,292 One of the prominent figures in the training camps 341 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:45,167 in Afghanistan is a gentleman who went 342 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:47,751 by the war name of Abu Zubaydah. 343 00:20:47,834 --> 00:20:51,667 He was definitely running parts of the camps network. 344 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:55,667 ♪ 345 00:20:55,751 --> 00:20:59,417 So now it's after the war in the early nineties. 346 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:01,292 We started to get all these reports 347 00:21:01,375 --> 00:21:03,584 about things blowing up all over the world, 348 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:06,459 who were from people who had fought in Afghanistan. 349 00:21:09,209 --> 00:21:10,709 So that's when we started to say to ourselves, 350 00:21:10,792 --> 00:21:13,000 What is going on here? 351 00:21:13,083 --> 00:21:14,876 Let's try to figure out, Is there some kind of 352 00:21:14,959 --> 00:21:16,209 an organization? 353 00:21:16,292 --> 00:21:18,250 Is it a social movement? What is it? 354 00:21:20,876 --> 00:21:22,167 And we're starting to warn, 355 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:24,500 "Look this is going to be a problem." 356 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,751 And we actually issued some of that warning 357 00:21:28,834 --> 00:21:31,083 before the first World Trade Center bombing. 358 00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:34,334 [Sirens] 359 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:39,334 [Vehicle horns honking] 360 00:21:46,959 --> 00:21:49,125 Ramzi Yousef, I'm sure, everybody knows 361 00:21:49,209 --> 00:21:51,292 from the first World Trade Center attack. 362 00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:55,500 He is the cousin/nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 363 00:21:55,584 --> 00:21:56,959 and the attack was partly funded 364 00:21:57,042 --> 00:21:58,918 by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. 365 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,334 [Helicopter] 366 00:22:00,417 --> 00:22:02,792 The same year there is the incident referred to 367 00:22:02,876 --> 00:22:04,584 as the Black Hawk Down incident. 368 00:22:06,167 --> 00:22:07,375 [Gunfire in distance] 369 00:22:07,459 --> 00:22:09,792 We didn't learn until later the extent to which 370 00:22:09,876 --> 00:22:11,751 al-Qaeda at least was involved. 371 00:22:14,626 --> 00:22:19,500 [People chanting in foreign language] 372 00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:22,876 STORER: These plots are multiple nationalities. 373 00:22:22,959 --> 00:22:26,000 This is not your typical events, right? 374 00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:28,125 We can't pin this on any one terrorist group. 375 00:22:28,209 --> 00:22:30,667 What's going on here? 376 00:22:35,334 --> 00:22:36,792 Oh, I mean, it was bin Laden. 377 00:22:36,876 --> 00:22:39,542 There was no doubt that the common purpose had to be 378 00:22:39,626 --> 00:22:40,876 bin Laden. 379 00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:42,375 All of a sudden, it just hit me 380 00:22:42,459 --> 00:22:44,250 that this is a bureaucracy. 381 00:22:44,334 --> 00:22:46,459 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language] 382 00:22:50,125 --> 00:22:53,125 STORER: So by 1998, we were able to say with confidence 383 00:22:53,209 --> 00:22:54,792 this is a worldwide terrorist organization. 384 00:22:54,876 --> 00:22:57,250 Bin Laden is the head of this organization. 385 00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:59,834 Their goal is global jihad. 386 00:22:59,918 --> 00:23:01,751 They want to create a global Islamic government. 387 00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,876 It's not just about Saudi Arabia. 388 00:23:05,375 --> 00:23:07,125 There was still some debate what it was called 389 00:23:07,209 --> 00:23:10,000 because some said it was called the Islamic Army. 390 00:23:10,083 --> 00:23:12,000 It was my analytical judgment 391 00:23:12,083 --> 00:23:14,125 that it was called al-Qaeda. 392 00:23:14,209 --> 00:23:21,083 ♪ 393 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,876 BERGEN: At that time in '97, Osama bin Laden 394 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,709 had declared war on the United States 395 00:23:40,792 --> 00:23:41,918 in an Arab language newspaper, 396 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,792 and no one paid any attention. 397 00:23:43,876 --> 00:23:49,000 You know, the case that I made to them was, you know, 398 00:23:49,083 --> 00:23:50,792 if you're going to declare war on the United States, 399 00:23:50,876 --> 00:23:52,042 don't do it on the BBC. 400 00:23:52,125 --> 00:23:54,500 Do it on an American network. 401 00:23:54,584 --> 00:23:57,667 And CNN is seen all around the world. 402 00:23:57,751 --> 00:24:01,626 And also we have a reputation for being fair. 403 00:24:01,709 --> 00:24:03,125 It was a lengthy process. 404 00:24:03,209 --> 00:24:05,375 They were very concerned. 405 00:24:05,459 --> 00:24:06,709 "Are you agents of the CIA?" 406 00:24:06,792 --> 00:24:08,709 "Will you give Osama bin Laden a fair shake 407 00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:10,584 if we allow you to do this interview?" 408 00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:14,417 Eventually after a month or so, we got the sort of 409 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:17,042 coded message that we're gonna go and see bin Laden. 410 00:24:17,125 --> 00:24:24,125 ♪ 411 00:24:32,584 --> 00:24:34,209 BERGEN: They picked us up at dusk 412 00:24:34,292 --> 00:24:37,542 in a van sort of like this, right? 413 00:24:37,626 --> 00:24:39,876 Yeah, very similar to this. Yeah. 414 00:24:39,959 --> 00:24:41,209 But in the evening. Yeah. 415 00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:42,751 Yeah, in the evening. Yeah. 416 00:24:44,083 --> 00:24:45,792 And then they gave us the sunglasses 417 00:24:45,876 --> 00:24:47,667 that had cardboard inside them. 418 00:24:47,751 --> 00:24:49,417 Right. And sort of crude blindfolds. 419 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,626 That's right. 420 00:24:50,709 --> 00:24:52,209 Did they put those on-- immediately on us? 421 00:24:52,292 --> 00:24:53,334 Yep, they did. Right. 422 00:24:53,417 --> 00:24:55,751 [Vehicle horn honks] 423 00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:00,667 PETER JOUVENAL: The interesting thing is 424 00:25:00,751 --> 00:25:02,292 that when you go to Kabul, 425 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:03,876 you go through these tunnels. 426 00:25:03,959 --> 00:25:05,584 So the fact that we were blindfolded, 427 00:25:05,667 --> 00:25:07,000 you could hear-- feel the change 428 00:25:07,083 --> 00:25:08,959 in air pressure and actually hear 429 00:25:09,042 --> 00:25:10,792 the difference in sound in the tunnel. 430 00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:16,709 So you had something of a good idea 431 00:25:16,792 --> 00:25:18,375 of where we were heading? 432 00:25:18,459 --> 00:25:19,626 Yeah, yep. 433 00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:22,292 And on the other side of this, 434 00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:24,209 this is where al-Qaeda had its 435 00:25:24,292 --> 00:25:25,375 chemical weapons, 436 00:25:25,459 --> 00:25:27,000 crude chemical weapons facility. 437 00:25:27,083 --> 00:25:28,792 Straight down. Yeah. 438 00:25:33,042 --> 00:25:35,042 BERGEN: So we got to--sort of 439 00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:36,459 this plateau, right? 440 00:25:36,542 --> 00:25:37,918 I think it was about 6,000 feet up maybe 441 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,167 or something like that. 442 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:40,292 Something like that, yeah. 443 00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:41,792 And there was a small village, 444 00:25:41,876 --> 00:25:43,292 the type that would be used by shepherds 445 00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,125 to put their sheep in at night. 446 00:25:45,209 --> 00:25:46,626 Yeah. 447 00:25:48,042 --> 00:25:49,709 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: Peter Arnett was a correspondent. 448 00:25:49,792 --> 00:25:53,626 He was at the time arguably the most famous 449 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:55,667 journalist in the world. 450 00:25:55,751 --> 00:25:57,500 JOUVENAL, VOICE-OVER: They put carpets down, 451 00:25:57,584 --> 00:26:00,375 so they made it respectable. 452 00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:02,209 And then, as I recall, we waited 453 00:26:02,292 --> 00:26:03,626 for some period of time 454 00:26:03,709 --> 00:26:06,334 and had some sort of goat-like dinner. 455 00:26:06,417 --> 00:26:07,542 That's right, yeah... 456 00:26:07,626 --> 00:26:09,876 BERGEN: This is, like, the hostage video. 457 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,167 Yeah, the hostage video. 458 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:16,250 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: Do you recall when he came in? 459 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,250 JOUVENAL, VOICE-OVER: Yep. 460 00:26:19,334 --> 00:26:20,584 BERGEN: And he shook your hand, right? 461 00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:21,709 Yep. Yep. 462 00:26:21,792 --> 00:26:23,292 Do you remember what that felt like? 463 00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:25,000 It was sort of like a dead fish. 464 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:26,792 I mean, it wasn't a strong grasp. 465 00:26:26,876 --> 00:26:27,959 Cold, a bit like... 466 00:26:28,042 --> 00:26:29,167 [unintelligible]. 467 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:30,626 I compare it sometimes 468 00:26:30,709 --> 00:26:32,250 to a bank manager's shake, you know? 469 00:26:32,334 --> 00:26:33,667 [Laughs] 470 00:26:33,751 --> 00:26:36,709 PETER ARNETT: Thank you, Mr. bin Laden. 471 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,792 TRANSLATOR: Is there anything you'd like to add? 472 00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:43,167 Hmm? 473 00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:44,834 Anything you'd like to add? 474 00:26:44,918 --> 00:26:46,250 We should change the tape. 475 00:26:46,334 --> 00:26:48,292 PETER ARNETT: I think we'll just relax a minute, 476 00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:50,167 I think. BERGEN: OK, fine. 477 00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:51,584 Just relax now. 478 00:26:54,209 --> 00:26:56,292 PETER ARNETT: Just get my knees. 479 00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:57,500 I'm not used to this. 480 00:26:57,584 --> 00:26:59,125 [Chuckles] 481 00:26:59,209 --> 00:27:01,250 MAN: Not quite finished. The feed... 482 00:27:01,334 --> 00:27:04,626 Well, Mr. bin Laden's voice is in good... 483 00:27:04,709 --> 00:27:05,792 Good condition. 484 00:27:05,876 --> 00:27:06,918 Good condition. 485 00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,167 It got better as you got... 486 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:10,375 Hot. 487 00:27:10,459 --> 00:27:13,792 more into the subject, as you talked about it. 488 00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:16,792 [Speaking foreign language] 489 00:27:52,751 --> 00:27:56,167 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: I did think that this was 490 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:57,876 an amazing interview. Yeah. 491 00:27:57,959 --> 00:27:59,584 He declared war on the United States 492 00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:01,209 for the first time to 493 00:28:01,292 --> 00:28:02,918 an English-speaking audience. 494 00:28:19,667 --> 00:28:21,876 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: We asked him why. 495 00:28:24,918 --> 00:28:26,542 You know, he basically gave a laundry list 496 00:28:26,626 --> 00:28:28,417 of complaints about American foreign policy 497 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,459 in the Muslim world. 498 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,292 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: We asked him to clarify, 499 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:38,334 Did that mean a war against American soldiers 500 00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:39,876 or American civilians? 501 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:46,918 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: He sort of said American soldiers 502 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,209 were the primary target. 503 00:28:48,292 --> 00:28:49,542 If American civilians got in the way, 504 00:28:49,626 --> 00:28:50,876 that was their problem. 505 00:28:54,709 --> 00:28:57,209 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: He said that in his mind, 506 00:28:57,292 --> 00:28:58,667 the United States was as weak 507 00:28:58,751 --> 00:29:00,250 as the former Soviet Union. 508 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:13,417 BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: And eventually 509 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:14,959 the United States, if it was subjected 510 00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:17,667 to enough violent pressure, would pull out 511 00:29:17,751 --> 00:29:19,125 of the Middle East, 512 00:29:19,209 --> 00:29:21,000 and basically he would get his wish. 513 00:29:23,209 --> 00:29:25,751 PETER ARNETT: What are your future plans? 514 00:29:29,334 --> 00:29:31,918 [Translator speaking foreign language] 515 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,292 Can we get a couple of still pictures now? 516 00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:45,834 Some photographs? 517 00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:49,125 [Camera shutter clicking] 518 00:29:49,209 --> 00:29:50,918 BERGEN: The impact of the interview at the time 519 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,209 was, I would say, pretty muted. 520 00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:56,000 You know, it didn't get a lot of play, 521 00:29:56,083 --> 00:29:57,167 because at the time, of course, 522 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:58,959 he hadn't really done anything. 523 00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:01,584 Imagine if in 1937 524 00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:06,209 the Japanese army had gone on NBC or RKO to say, 525 00:30:06,292 --> 00:30:07,500 "Hey, we are planning 526 00:30:07,584 --> 00:30:09,042 to attack the United States." 527 00:30:09,125 --> 00:30:10,542 You know, Pearl Harbor might have turned out differently. 528 00:30:10,626 --> 00:30:12,000 These guys repeatedly said publicly, 529 00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:13,375 "We are planning to attack 530 00:30:13,459 --> 00:30:14,500 the United States," 531 00:30:14,584 --> 00:30:16,250 and no one paid any attention. 532 00:30:16,334 --> 00:30:17,834 [Wind] 533 00:30:17,918 --> 00:30:24,834 ♪ 534 00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:47,834 [Speaking foreign language] 535 00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:52,000 [Different man speaking foreign language] 536 00:30:58,459 --> 00:31:05,375 ♪ 537 00:31:22,876 --> 00:31:27,792 SUDE: I always watched their latest statements. 538 00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:29,459 Their choices of what they're gonna say 539 00:31:29,542 --> 00:31:31,959 are very important. 540 00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:34,500 Oh, yeah they were cagey at first about claiming credit 541 00:31:34,584 --> 00:31:35,918 for anything. 542 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,292 They didn't want to claim credit. 543 00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:42,667 Then later on, they become more willing to take credit, 544 00:31:42,751 --> 00:31:45,167 in fact demanding credit for it. 545 00:31:53,667 --> 00:31:56,292 ♪ 546 00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:57,584 [Gunfire] 547 00:31:57,667 --> 00:32:00,042 HASLER: You know, it's all this stuff hitting you, 548 00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:02,751 all these horrible images hitting you. 549 00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:04,751 It's just this rapid fire, 550 00:32:04,834 --> 00:32:10,500 horribly evil music video/ horror film, slash... 551 00:32:10,584 --> 00:32:12,834 [Men speaking foreign language, gunfire] 552 00:32:15,334 --> 00:32:16,626 ♪ 553 00:32:16,709 --> 00:32:20,209 STORER: Al-Qaeda is a global organization 554 00:32:20,292 --> 00:32:22,584 made up of people from over 60 countries 555 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:25,292 who speak 60 different languages. 556 00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:28,792 So they really have to communicate in the clear 557 00:32:28,876 --> 00:32:30,626 through these statements. 558 00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:32,584 And they're also under a religious obligation 559 00:32:32,667 --> 00:32:33,918 to warn their enemy. 560 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,459 So for all of those reasons, it made complete sense 561 00:32:37,542 --> 00:32:40,083 that they meant what they said. 562 00:32:56,959 --> 00:33:00,042 ♪ 563 00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:02,125 SUDE: They're planning something. 564 00:33:02,209 --> 00:33:04,375 But where? When? What? 565 00:33:04,459 --> 00:33:06,459 Is it going to be an armed assault? 566 00:33:06,542 --> 00:33:08,667 Is it going to be a hijacking? 567 00:33:08,751 --> 00:33:11,834 Is it going to be an assassination? 568 00:33:11,918 --> 00:33:17,209 A bomb? You know, where? 569 00:33:17,292 --> 00:33:19,667 There were no real answers. 570 00:33:19,751 --> 00:33:23,459 ♪ 571 00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:24,876 McLAUGHLIN: The CIA did very good warning 572 00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:27,083 in that period of time. 573 00:33:27,167 --> 00:33:29,125 There are dozens and dozens of reports 574 00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:30,584 in which we express the view 575 00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:34,834 that bin Laden is intending to attack the United States. 576 00:33:36,334 --> 00:33:38,918 We would have weekly or biweekly meetings 577 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,417 sometimes on exactly 578 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:41,918 what was going on. 579 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,292 It's so frustrating 580 00:33:44,375 --> 00:33:46,459 when you can't figure out date and time. 581 00:33:46,542 --> 00:33:49,375 McLAUGHLIN: There's always a large band of uncertainty, 582 00:33:49,459 --> 00:33:51,417 and that's fertile ground 583 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:52,918 for argument. 584 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,042 STORER: And if you warn about every little thing, 585 00:33:55,125 --> 00:33:56,292 then you're crying wolf 586 00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:58,000 and nobody pays attention to you at all. 587 00:33:58,083 --> 00:34:01,250 SUDE: Middle East, South Asia, Europe, 588 00:34:01,334 --> 00:34:03,000 United States. Where? 589 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,792 You just don't know. 590 00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:07,584 MCLAUGHLIN: We did not at this time 591 00:34:07,667 --> 00:34:08,959 and in this report have 592 00:34:09,042 --> 00:34:10,918 what I would call "actionable intelligence." 593 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,751 "I want to know when, I want to know where, 594 00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:14,083 I want to know who." 595 00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:16,292 McLAUGHLIN: We could not determine time, 596 00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:17,626 target, and method. 597 00:34:17,709 --> 00:34:19,417 STORER: You know, I really wish I could tell you 598 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:20,792 when and where. 599 00:34:20,876 --> 00:34:24,792 But it's not that easy with a clandestine organization. 600 00:34:24,876 --> 00:34:26,834 "Well, if you just had more human assets and you 601 00:34:26,918 --> 00:34:28,751 "did less analysis, then we would know 602 00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:30,083 all these things." 603 00:34:30,167 --> 00:34:31,417 Well, that isn't true. 604 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,250 You can say we're pretty sure it's gonna happen, 605 00:34:34,334 --> 00:34:38,584 but we can't make that decision to say, 606 00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:40,918 you should do or not do. 607 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,667 We can say that our bottom line is, 608 00:34:44,751 --> 00:34:47,167 "It looks pretty dangerous." 609 00:34:56,042 --> 00:34:57,250 The headline says, 610 00:34:57,334 --> 00:35:00,542 "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S." 611 00:35:00,626 --> 00:35:02,209 There were just warning after warning after warning 612 00:35:02,292 --> 00:35:03,500 all spring. 613 00:35:03,584 --> 00:35:06,500 Well, you know with the benefit of hindsight... 614 00:35:06,584 --> 00:35:08,626 We knew something huge was gonna happen. 615 00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:10,792 it would seem that this was 616 00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,042 a perfect warning 617 00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:15,834 in August of 2001 618 00:35:15,918 --> 00:35:18,125 that the United States was about to be attacked. 619 00:35:18,209 --> 00:35:20,834 Everybody was completely tense. 620 00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:22,667 McLAUGHLIN: Why didn't we do something about this? 621 00:35:22,751 --> 00:35:26,751 The language being used by these guys was like, 622 00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,375 "Oh, my God. What are they gonna do?" 623 00:35:32,584 --> 00:35:36,292 [Man speaking foreign language] 624 00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:43,292 ♪ 625 00:35:51,459 --> 00:35:53,542 [Different men speaking foreign language] 626 00:36:46,918 --> 00:36:54,000 ♪ 627 00:37:15,083 --> 00:37:22,000 ♪ 628 00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:25,751 On the morning of 9/11, 629 00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,375 I was sitting in my office. 630 00:37:27,459 --> 00:37:29,667 My office was here. 631 00:37:29,751 --> 00:37:32,584 The office of the group chief was right next to it. 632 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:35,083 And I had my door open, and I looked, 633 00:37:35,167 --> 00:37:36,459 and there was an analyst 634 00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:39,334 running through the row between the cubicles. 635 00:37:39,417 --> 00:37:42,792 And it was one of the older analysts. 636 00:37:42,876 --> 00:37:45,125 And you don't see older analysts running. 637 00:37:45,209 --> 00:37:47,542 I was in Jordan. 638 00:37:47,626 --> 00:37:49,000 I was at the CIA. 639 00:37:49,083 --> 00:37:51,292 9/11, I was in my office at NSA. 640 00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:53,500 I was at the Executive Office Building of the White House. 641 00:37:53,584 --> 00:37:56,626 I was in the Pentagon when it got hit. 642 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,834 The first breaking news was coming in. 643 00:37:59,918 --> 00:38:01,792 Somebody has it on RealPlayer 644 00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:03,375 on their--at their desk. 645 00:38:03,459 --> 00:38:04,959 The report was saying there was a small aircraft 646 00:38:05,042 --> 00:38:06,417 that apparently had hit. 647 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,459 STORER: Right then, second plane into the second tower, 648 00:38:09,542 --> 00:38:11,626 and I knew. 649 00:38:11,709 --> 00:38:14,167 There was no doubt in that office at that moment 650 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:15,918 that this is what we were waiting for. 651 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,292 This is it. 652 00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:19,667 That's the words that went through everybody's mind. 653 00:38:19,751 --> 00:38:21,375 This is it. This is bin Laden. 654 00:38:21,459 --> 00:38:23,375 "It's an attack, it's terrorism, 655 00:38:23,459 --> 00:38:24,959 and it's al-Qaeda." 656 00:38:25,042 --> 00:38:26,209 I knew who they were. 657 00:38:26,292 --> 00:38:27,626 I knew what their intentions were. 658 00:38:27,709 --> 00:38:30,000 This is it. They pulled this thing off. 659 00:38:30,083 --> 00:38:31,751 We're going to battle stations. 660 00:38:31,834 --> 00:38:34,459 And we were all evacuated after that second plane 661 00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:36,876 went in because we thought the next one--that is, 662 00:38:36,959 --> 00:38:39,000 the Shanksville plane-- might be headed for us. 663 00:38:39,083 --> 00:38:40,334 It was complete chaos. 664 00:38:40,417 --> 00:38:44,042 The plane flew in under my office. 665 00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:48,042 My two assistants looked out the window and saw a 757 666 00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:49,751 fly in under their feet. 667 00:38:49,834 --> 00:38:51,250 The order then went out 668 00:38:51,334 --> 00:38:56,167 for the building to be evacuated, except 669 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:57,709 for the counterterrorism analysts. 670 00:38:57,792 --> 00:39:00,375 We essentially decamped from the high-rises 671 00:39:00,459 --> 00:39:01,918 and moved on into the operations center. 672 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,959 I said, "Look, chief says we can't go, but, you know, 673 00:39:08,042 --> 00:39:10,417 if you want to leave, I'll cover for you." 674 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,000 And not one of those people left. 675 00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:26,542 MARTIN, VOICE-OVER: 19 guys. 676 00:39:26,626 --> 00:39:29,209 Look at their faces and think 677 00:39:29,292 --> 00:39:33,459 about the tragic, terrible, consequences. 678 00:39:34,834 --> 00:39:39,459 19. Only 19. 679 00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:41,292 19 representing thousands 680 00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:44,250 who went through training camps in Afghanistan. 681 00:39:44,334 --> 00:39:47,334 19 representing all those who were sponsored 682 00:39:47,417 --> 00:39:52,792 and trained and blessed these young men on that day. 683 00:39:52,876 --> 00:39:59,792 ♪ 684 00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,250 This is where it gets hard to talk. 685 00:40:06,334 --> 00:40:08,584 [Chuckles nervously] 686 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:10,417 I have to say the worst moment in my life 687 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:11,792 happened in about November 688 00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:13,542 because right after the bombing, 689 00:40:13,626 --> 00:40:16,542 you're just so busy. 690 00:40:16,626 --> 00:40:19,083 And everybody, you know-- cry at home; come to work; 691 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,584 be professional; do your job; 692 00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:22,083 go home; cry at home; come to work; 693 00:40:22,167 --> 00:40:23,375 be professional; and do your job. 694 00:40:23,459 --> 00:40:25,500 And people were very focused, running around, 695 00:40:25,584 --> 00:40:27,042 getting the job done. 696 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,834 On about November, things started 697 00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:30,459 to slow down a little bit, 698 00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:32,000 and the guilt sets in. 699 00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:33,542 And that is just the worst. 700 00:40:33,626 --> 00:40:35,417 I'm sorry. I'm gonna cry now. 701 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,167 Um... 702 00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:41,125 feeling like you wish you could have done something, 703 00:40:41,209 --> 00:40:42,959 but especially when all the criticism 704 00:40:43,042 --> 00:40:44,459 starts to come in. 705 00:40:44,542 --> 00:40:46,000 People would say things in Congress like, 706 00:40:46,083 --> 00:40:47,584 "You were negligent." 707 00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:48,959 I was like, "Really? 708 00:40:49,042 --> 00:40:50,918 "What did you know about bin Laden before 2001? 709 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,292 "Nothing! You didn't help us at all. 710 00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:56,417 And now you're blaming us for having tried--" 711 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,292 MAN, VOICE-OVER: This is not a matter of scapegoating. 712 00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:01,334 This is a matter of accountability. 713 00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:02,751 There has been... 714 00:41:02,834 --> 00:41:04,042 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: What does the term 715 00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:06,417 "accountability" mean to you? 716 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:08,042 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: Prior to September 11th, 717 00:41:08,125 --> 00:41:09,500 U.S. intelligence officials 718 00:41:09,584 --> 00:41:11,584 possessed terrorist information 719 00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:15,292 that, if properly handled, could have disrupted 720 00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:17,209 or possibly prevented the terrorist attacks. 721 00:41:17,292 --> 00:41:18,417 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: It seems 722 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,042 from your testimony... 723 00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:21,542 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: That information was 724 00:41:21,626 --> 00:41:23,125 not distributed to the FBI. 725 00:41:23,209 --> 00:41:24,709 [Overlapping men speaking in voice-overs] 726 00:41:24,792 --> 00:41:28,042 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: ...The CIA analysts 727 00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:29,667 and FBI officials in the New York field office... 728 00:41:29,751 --> 00:41:31,751 DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER: Has anyone in the CIA 729 00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:34,667 been held accountable for the failures 730 00:41:34,751 --> 00:41:35,959 of September 11th 731 00:41:36,042 --> 00:41:38,459 or the events leading up to it? 732 00:41:38,542 --> 00:41:45,542 ♪ 733 00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:55,876 STORER: Jennifer called me not long after 9/11, 734 00:41:55,959 --> 00:41:57,751 screaming at me on the phone. 735 00:41:57,834 --> 00:41:59,042 And we were just in-- we were, 736 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:00,500 a two-second walk from each other 737 00:42:00,584 --> 00:42:01,751 in different vaults. 738 00:42:01,834 --> 00:42:02,918 But, "You did this. This is your fault. 739 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,292 You didn't report on..." so-and-so. 740 00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:05,667 Blah-blah-blah-blah- blah-blah-blah... 741 00:42:05,751 --> 00:42:07,042 And I screamed back at her 742 00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:08,375 and slammed the phone down. 743 00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:09,751 And at the time, I was really angry, 744 00:42:09,834 --> 00:42:12,375 and I actually really never spoke to her again. 745 00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:13,626 But looking back on it, 746 00:42:13,709 --> 00:42:15,334 I think it's just-- it was just 747 00:42:15,417 --> 00:42:17,417 a manifestation of her passion 748 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,000 and her sense of-- her own sense of guilt. 749 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,292 I mean, everybody felt it. 750 00:42:37,626 --> 00:42:39,667 [Child speaking foreign language] 751 00:42:49,209 --> 00:42:53,334 MAN, VOICE-OVER: We were told to evacuate Yemen. 752 00:42:53,417 --> 00:42:56,459 The entire team already boarded the plane, 753 00:42:56,542 --> 00:43:00,125 and I was asked 754 00:43:00,209 --> 00:43:02,250 that I will stay, I should stay 755 00:43:02,334 --> 00:43:03,876 and to talk to an individual named 756 00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:07,083 Nasser al-Bahri-- Abu Jandal. 757 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:13,500 ♪ 758 00:43:13,584 --> 00:43:17,500 We showed him a photo book 759 00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:19,250 that has a lot of photos in it. 760 00:43:20,626 --> 00:43:22,292 He identified bin Laden, 761 00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:24,125 he identified Ayman Zawahiri... 762 00:43:24,209 --> 00:43:26,292 He identified the usual suspects 763 00:43:26,375 --> 00:43:28,459 that there is no way he would never know. 764 00:43:28,542 --> 00:43:30,918 But he didn't identify anyone 765 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,918 from the, you know, second tier. 766 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,209 No one. 767 00:43:35,292 --> 00:43:37,626 And then he closed the book. 768 00:43:37,709 --> 00:43:39,500 "I don't have anything else. 769 00:43:39,584 --> 00:43:40,876 Don't know anyone." 770 00:43:40,959 --> 00:43:43,375 So I ask him, "Please. Can you look at it again?" 771 00:43:43,459 --> 00:43:46,292 But I just said, "Please. You know, 772 00:43:46,375 --> 00:43:47,417 come on. Look at it again." 773 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,167 He was annoyed. 774 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:51,667 He said, "I just did. There is nothing..." 775 00:43:51,751 --> 00:43:53,542 "For friendship's sake, you know? 776 00:43:53,626 --> 00:43:55,542 We're now friends..." 777 00:43:55,626 --> 00:43:58,584 So he did. Same thing. 778 00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:01,542 So I laughed. I went like... 779 00:44:01,626 --> 00:44:02,542 [Laughs] 780 00:44:02,626 --> 00:44:04,834 To Bob, I said, "See? I told you." 781 00:44:04,918 --> 00:44:06,292 "What's goin' on? What did you tell me?" 782 00:44:06,375 --> 00:44:08,459 "Well, I told Bob-- my friend--I told him 783 00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:12,334 "here--I said that you're basically faking. 784 00:44:12,417 --> 00:44:14,167 "You're not cooperating at all. 785 00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:15,834 And I think I won the bet." 786 00:44:15,918 --> 00:44:17,959 "What are you talking about? I'm cooperating." 787 00:44:18,042 --> 00:44:20,375 "Come on. Really? You're cooperating? 788 00:44:20,459 --> 00:44:21,626 "Do you think I just flew 789 00:44:21,709 --> 00:44:23,792 "all the way from D.C. to talk to you 790 00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:25,459 "about this kind of like small talk 791 00:44:25,542 --> 00:44:26,834 "and I don't know who you are? 792 00:44:26,918 --> 00:44:29,000 I don't know what you know?" 793 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:31,542 "This guy, for example... 794 00:44:31,626 --> 00:44:33,500 "He was in your guesthouse in 1999. 795 00:44:33,584 --> 00:44:35,751 "He was sick. You were taking care of him, 796 00:44:35,834 --> 00:44:37,167 "putting soup on his lips 797 00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:41,417 "and you claim you have no idea who this guy is? 798 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,083 I know a lot about your organization." 799 00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:47,292 "Maybe some of these people in the book are 800 00:44:47,375 --> 00:44:48,584 in my custody." 801 00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,626 "Maybe some of the people in the book 802 00:44:50,709 --> 00:44:52,709 "are friend of mine's. 803 00:44:52,792 --> 00:44:54,709 "Maybe they are my sources. 804 00:44:54,792 --> 00:44:57,500 "Every time I ask you a question, 805 00:44:57,584 --> 00:45:00,417 "most probably I know the answer for. 806 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,876 "And that's how I gauge 807 00:45:01,959 --> 00:45:04,375 "if you're cooperating or not. 808 00:45:04,459 --> 00:45:07,918 So do you want to start from the beginning?" 809 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,792 He said, yes. 810 00:45:09,876 --> 00:45:11,876 So we showed him the book again. 811 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,792 He identified almost everyone in the book 812 00:45:13,876 --> 00:45:15,292 that we know-- we'd assembled-- 813 00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:17,125 from the East Africa Embassy bombing, 814 00:45:17,209 --> 00:45:19,292 from the "USS Cole," 815 00:45:19,375 --> 00:45:21,584 to include eight of the hijackers. 816 00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,417 And he still insisted that bin Laden 817 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,626 would never do anything like this. 818 00:45:24,709 --> 00:45:26,125 And I insisted that he did. 819 00:45:26,209 --> 00:45:27,459 And I said, "No, bin Laden did it." 820 00:45:27,542 --> 00:45:28,834 And he said, "Oh, bin Laden did it? 821 00:45:28,918 --> 00:45:29,918 Who told you?" 822 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,667 "You did." 823 00:45:31,751 --> 00:45:33,876 And he was mad. He was furious, 824 00:45:33,959 --> 00:45:35,000 because he thought 825 00:45:35,083 --> 00:45:36,375 I was putting words in his mouth. 826 00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:38,125 I said, "No, you told me that al-Qaeda 827 00:45:38,209 --> 00:45:40,167 was behind it, definitely." 828 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:42,459 And I took a manila envelope that I had, 829 00:45:42,542 --> 00:45:45,918 and I put the photos that he identified 830 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,751 the seven hijackers-- or the eight hijackers-- 831 00:45:48,834 --> 00:45:50,125 I put them all in front of him. 832 00:45:50,209 --> 00:45:51,584 I said, "Do you want to know who the hijackers? 833 00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:53,375 Those are the hijackers." 834 00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:56,000 ♪ 835 00:45:56,083 --> 00:45:59,417 "You told me they were Qaeda members. 836 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,042 You told me that." 837 00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:03,334 He was in total shock. 838 00:46:03,417 --> 00:46:05,000 He put his hand like this, 839 00:46:05,083 --> 00:46:06,709 and he starts shaking, 840 00:46:06,792 --> 00:46:09,292 and he asked for, you know, five minutes. 841 00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:11,042 We gave him five minutes, came back. 842 00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:12,375 I said, "So what do you think now?" 843 00:46:12,459 --> 00:46:15,000 And he said, "I think the Sheikh went crazy. 844 00:46:15,083 --> 00:46:16,626 What do you want?" 845 00:46:16,709 --> 00:46:19,125 [Wind] 846 00:46:22,334 --> 00:46:25,375 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language] 847 00:46:46,209 --> 00:46:51,918 ♪ 848 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,709 MARTIN: A small group of people--many of them women-- 849 00:46:54,792 --> 00:46:56,542 were blamed. 850 00:46:56,626 --> 00:46:58,125 They were blamed. 851 00:46:58,209 --> 00:47:00,667 "They failed to connect the dots!" 852 00:47:00,751 --> 00:47:02,042 "Connect the dots." 853 00:47:02,125 --> 00:47:03,167 If I hear that... 854 00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:05,667 The Washington machine turned on them 855 00:47:05,751 --> 00:47:07,167 and said, "It's your fault." 856 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:08,792 "Sit and do a line diagram, where you failed 857 00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:10,167 to connect the dots..." 858 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:11,500 The dots were there, 859 00:47:11,584 --> 00:47:13,834 It's us who decided to-- we need to erase the dots. 860 00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:16,334 Hello! They're coming at us! 861 00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:19,751 That was-- those were late nights. 862 00:47:19,834 --> 00:47:21,125 You go home, you're driving, 863 00:47:21,209 --> 00:47:23,959 you roll over what operations are going on, 864 00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:25,918 what threats you believe are genuine. 865 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,459 You're thinking about your friends and colleagues 866 00:47:27,542 --> 00:47:28,751 downrange. 867 00:47:28,834 --> 00:47:30,792 Sometimes you're thinking about some talking head 868 00:47:30,876 --> 00:47:33,751 who launched a bunch of empty bullets, 869 00:47:33,834 --> 00:47:38,667 you know, of blame trying to get their face on the TV 870 00:47:38,751 --> 00:47:40,667 and not understanding the sincerity 871 00:47:40,751 --> 00:47:42,417 of the people involved. 872 00:47:44,042 --> 00:47:46,292 That would cause me grief the next day 873 00:47:46,375 --> 00:47:48,167 because I knew I was gonna have to go in 874 00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:50,250 and tell people, "Listen, they don't 875 00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,042 "understand what you do. 876 00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:54,042 "Don't you know that? 877 00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:55,584 Now, let's get it on." 878 00:47:55,667 --> 00:48:00,876 ♪ 879 00:48:00,959 --> 00:48:04,125 McLAUGHLIN: Something that people don't fully grasp is 880 00:48:04,209 --> 00:48:07,083 how alone the CIA felt in this period of time. 881 00:48:09,959 --> 00:48:12,792 Just by virtue of the evolution of events 882 00:48:12,876 --> 00:48:15,459 in history, we ended up at this moment in time 883 00:48:15,542 --> 00:48:16,918 with kind of unique knowledge 884 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,042 about this phenomenon, al-Qaeda. 885 00:48:20,125 --> 00:48:23,000 I think the feeling all of us had was, 886 00:48:23,083 --> 00:48:25,292 This is on our shoulders to prevent this 887 00:48:25,375 --> 00:48:27,375 from ever happening again. 888 00:48:28,834 --> 00:48:31,834 The day of 9/11, the President pulled us 889 00:48:31,918 --> 00:48:35,667 together and said, "I want to see a war plan here." 890 00:48:35,751 --> 00:48:39,584 Well, we had been working on this for a long time. 891 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,250 We were ready to go. 892 00:48:42,334 --> 00:48:49,250 ♪ 893 00:49:10,626 --> 00:49:12,500 MAN: The challenge when you look at al-Qaeda 894 00:49:12,584 --> 00:49:14,876 after 9/11 was to understand it well enough 895 00:49:14,959 --> 00:49:16,626 first to disrupt it and then dismantle it. 896 00:49:16,709 --> 00:49:19,209 We're not in the business of disruption alone, 897 00:49:19,292 --> 00:49:20,959 because if you disrupt an organization, 898 00:49:21,042 --> 00:49:22,542 the adversary's so committed. 899 00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:23,959 I mean, they believe 900 00:49:24,042 --> 00:49:25,792 that what they do is inspired by a holy book, 901 00:49:25,876 --> 00:49:28,334 that they'll just go on and plot another attack. 902 00:49:28,417 --> 00:49:29,876 So the business really became dismantlement: 903 00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:31,125 How do we destroy it? 904 00:49:31,209 --> 00:49:33,042 And that's a people business. 905 00:49:33,125 --> 00:49:36,751 [Overlapping conversations in foreign language] 906 00:49:36,834 --> 00:49:38,918 PHIL MUDD: How do you find the operators, financiers, 907 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,792 trainers, et cetera? 908 00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:42,542 And how can you know where they're gonna be tomorrow 909 00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:43,918 so you can pick them up? 910 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,709 [Conversations in foreign language continue] 911 00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:49,792 The explosion of intelligence at CIA 912 00:49:49,876 --> 00:49:52,209 after 9/11 is hard to imagine. 913 00:49:52,292 --> 00:49:54,292 You have a small group of people in Alec Station 914 00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:56,500 who are looking at the problem pre-9/11. 915 00:49:56,584 --> 00:50:00,125 They had limited resources. 916 00:50:00,209 --> 00:50:02,876 After 9/11, that small core group of people 917 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,375 is dwarfed by the newcomers into the center post-9/11. 918 00:50:11,125 --> 00:50:14,876 It was a foundational change in the organization. 919 00:50:14,959 --> 00:50:19,459 ♪ 920 00:50:19,542 --> 00:50:22,626 MAN, VOICE-OVER: They needed managerial horsepower 921 00:50:22,709 --> 00:50:27,334 to support the increase in people and budget. 922 00:50:29,042 --> 00:50:31,834 I did not know enough about al-Qaeda. 923 00:50:31,918 --> 00:50:34,417 Just what little I had read in the press. 924 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,125 Was not my specialty. 925 00:50:37,751 --> 00:50:41,375 But, you know, if you've had 25 years 926 00:50:41,459 --> 00:50:43,584 of experience, you come 927 00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:47,083 with a pretty good sense of what needs to be done, 928 00:50:47,167 --> 00:50:49,876 even if it's a new target for you. 929 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,375 Pretty quickly, you learn what you need to learn 930 00:50:52,459 --> 00:50:54,417 about that target. 931 00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:05,792 I became the head of the Counterterrorism Center 932 00:51:05,876 --> 00:51:08,667 just about the time when we were dealing 933 00:51:08,751 --> 00:51:10,584 with all these threats. 934 00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:13,500 I mean, it was daily constant intelligence 935 00:51:13,584 --> 00:51:17,709 coming about a second wave of attacks. 936 00:51:17,792 --> 00:51:21,918 But I had a reputation for building strong teams. 937 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,584 ♪ 938 00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:25,167 MARTIN, VOICE-OVER: The phone rang. 939 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,125 A senior came on the line, basically said, 940 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:29,209 "We need you to come back. 941 00:51:29,292 --> 00:51:31,500 "You know the gravity of the situation. 942 00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:33,918 You need to come back and do what you do." 943 00:51:39,083 --> 00:51:45,959 I basically came back to be the senior manager 944 00:51:46,042 --> 00:51:49,626 for the worldwide effort against al-Qaeda. 945 00:51:49,709 --> 00:51:54,125 I had a multidimensional responsibility. 946 00:51:54,209 --> 00:51:56,125 I had to protect my people, you know? 947 00:51:57,626 --> 00:51:59,959 We changed the rulebook a bit. 948 00:52:02,209 --> 00:52:04,042 We were empowered more. 949 00:52:05,542 --> 00:52:07,542 We did things more aggressive. 950 00:52:11,167 --> 00:52:13,292 "My job is to kill al-Qaeda." 951 00:52:15,584 --> 00:52:17,459 "Either get shoulder-to-shoulder, 952 00:52:17,542 --> 00:52:19,959 get with us, or get out of our way." 953 00:52:24,834 --> 00:52:27,751 JOSE RODRIGUEZ: We had been focusing on capturing 954 00:52:27,834 --> 00:52:29,292 Abu Zubaydah. 955 00:52:29,375 --> 00:52:33,083 ♪ 956 00:52:33,167 --> 00:52:36,209 He knew who the leadership was. 957 00:52:36,292 --> 00:52:39,751 He knew their methods of attack, their targets. 958 00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:46,334 He was the highest level al-Qaeda terrorist 959 00:52:46,417 --> 00:52:48,417 that we had ever captured. 960 00:52:54,125 --> 00:52:57,083 When we captured him in March, he was 961 00:52:57,167 --> 00:52:58,792 severely wounded, 962 00:52:58,876 --> 00:53:01,834 and we knew we had to get him out of Pakistan. 963 00:53:01,918 --> 00:53:05,167 And in the past, the way the U.S. had dealt 964 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:09,209 with issues like this was to transfer the terrorist 965 00:53:09,292 --> 00:53:12,584 to a friendly country for interrogation, 966 00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,083 but we needed to take responsibility 967 00:53:15,167 --> 00:53:19,209 for high level terrorists ourselves. 968 00:53:19,292 --> 00:53:22,209 So we understood what we had to do. 969 00:53:22,292 --> 00:53:23,751 And we did it. 970 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:29,375 MARTIN: We took a lot of bad guys off the streets. 971 00:53:29,459 --> 00:53:33,125 And they got put up-- and it's now public knowledge-- 972 00:53:33,209 --> 00:53:35,000 in a nice little, uh... 973 00:53:35,083 --> 00:53:40,792 let's just say... boutique locations. 974 00:53:51,709 --> 00:53:53,792 ALI SOUFAN: Basically you have two things you have 975 00:53:53,876 --> 00:53:55,292 to bring with you to an interrogation room, 976 00:53:55,375 --> 00:53:58,250 especially with individuals like al-Qaeda. 977 00:53:58,334 --> 00:54:00,334 You have to bring knowledge, 978 00:54:00,417 --> 00:54:03,876 and you have to bring empathy. 979 00:54:03,959 --> 00:54:05,584 And if you don't have those two, 980 00:54:05,667 --> 00:54:08,918 I think most probably, you're gonna fail. 981 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,125 He gave us a couple of pieces--information 982 00:54:11,209 --> 00:54:13,167 during that early phase. 983 00:54:15,584 --> 00:54:17,834 But then he stopped talking. 984 00:54:17,918 --> 00:54:19,375 When he regained his strength, 985 00:54:19,459 --> 00:54:22,083 he stopped talking. 986 00:54:22,167 --> 00:54:24,250 And we became convinced 987 00:54:24,334 --> 00:54:27,626 that we had to come up with a new alternative 988 00:54:27,709 --> 00:54:29,584 to doing this because it was not working. 989 00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:36,542 ♪ 990 00:54:52,667 --> 00:54:56,083 Eight of the 12 techniques, in my humble opinion, 991 00:54:56,167 --> 00:54:58,167 were pretty wimpy stuff. 992 00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,876 You know, like, slapping. Give me a break. 993 00:55:00,959 --> 00:55:03,209 OK, it might be unpleasant to slap somebody, 994 00:55:03,292 --> 00:55:05,000 but it's not torture. 995 00:55:05,083 --> 00:55:06,792 Grabbing someone from the lapel, 996 00:55:06,876 --> 00:55:09,834 bringing him in to you may be unpleasant 997 00:55:09,918 --> 00:55:11,042 and it's an attention grabber, 998 00:55:11,125 --> 00:55:12,834 but it's not torture. 999 00:55:12,918 --> 00:55:14,209 We didn't ask for this. 1000 00:55:14,292 --> 00:55:16,209 We did not ask to get attacked. 1001 00:55:16,292 --> 00:55:17,500 They did it. 1002 00:55:17,584 --> 00:55:22,459 And so if we can't make them uncomfortable to save lives, 1003 00:55:22,542 --> 00:55:24,459 then--we've missed the boat here. 1004 00:55:24,542 --> 00:55:27,459 I believe that the intention was, 1005 00:55:27,542 --> 00:55:29,959 "We can never allow this to happen. 1006 00:55:30,042 --> 00:55:32,167 Let's do whatever needs to be done." 1007 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,959 MARTY MARTIN: They're straight-up haters. 1008 00:55:35,042 --> 00:55:36,375 There is no reasoning with them. 1009 00:55:36,459 --> 00:55:40,626 Some individuals who were at the time in places 1010 00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:43,500 to make decisions believe that the only reason 1011 00:55:43,584 --> 00:55:45,417 you deal with these individuals is by 1012 00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:46,876 techniques like this. 1013 00:55:46,959 --> 00:55:48,959 If you deal with some of the hardcore-- 1014 00:55:49,042 --> 00:55:52,876 our detainees--they might have become compliant 1015 00:55:52,959 --> 00:55:54,876 and then maybe jovial and engaging, 1016 00:55:54,959 --> 00:55:56,876 but if you ask them, "What are you gonna do 1017 00:55:56,959 --> 00:55:58,125 if you ever get out?," 1018 00:55:58,209 --> 00:56:03,167 they'll go, "I'm gonna come kill you, my friend." 1019 00:56:04,626 --> 00:56:09,459 All the information that came from Abu Zubaydah 1020 00:56:09,542 --> 00:56:12,709 we got before waterboarding. 1021 00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,250 Most of these things came 1022 00:56:14,334 --> 00:56:17,542 from traditional interrogation techniques-- 1023 00:56:17,626 --> 00:56:19,417 by showing people evidence. 1024 00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,125 by putting detainees against each other, 1025 00:56:21,209 --> 00:56:22,584 by pocket litter. 1026 00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:24,792 So the traditional interrogation techniques 1027 00:56:24,876 --> 00:56:26,542 worked tremendously. 1028 00:56:26,626 --> 00:56:28,667 ♪ 1029 00:56:28,751 --> 00:56:30,709 RODRIGUEZ: We had the interrogators, 1030 00:56:30,792 --> 00:56:32,167 and we had the debriefers. 1031 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:37,167 The interrogators would work with the detainee. 1032 00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:39,626 And once they became compliant, 1033 00:56:39,709 --> 00:56:44,500 they would step back and the debriefers-- 1034 00:56:44,584 --> 00:56:48,375 the targeting analysts, the people who knew the most 1035 00:56:48,459 --> 00:56:50,083 about the target would step in 1036 00:56:50,167 --> 00:56:53,959 and would begin to question them. 1037 00:56:54,042 --> 00:56:58,083 Jennifer Matthews was there sitting in front 1038 00:56:58,167 --> 00:57:00,542 of Abu Zubaydah, asking him questions. 1039 00:57:00,626 --> 00:57:02,209 There is a big difference 1040 00:57:02,292 --> 00:57:03,792 between being an expert 1041 00:57:03,876 --> 00:57:07,751 behind a desk and being a field expert. 1042 00:57:08,876 --> 00:57:12,542 You can't argue with success. 1043 00:57:12,626 --> 00:57:14,667 And the fact of the matter is 1044 00:57:14,751 --> 00:57:17,000 that we were extremely successful. 1045 00:57:17,083 --> 00:57:19,918 Once we started using the techniques 1046 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,334 on Abu Zubaydah and once he became compliant, 1047 00:57:26,417 --> 00:57:30,834 we started to collect incredible intelligence. 1048 00:57:30,918 --> 00:57:34,959 Abu Zubaydah gave us the play book of how to go 1049 00:57:35,042 --> 00:57:36,792 after these individuals. 1050 00:57:36,876 --> 00:57:38,334 ♪ 1051 00:57:38,417 --> 00:57:42,667 So in short order, every chief of operations was 1052 00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:44,792 either captured or killed. 1053 00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:53,375 MARTIN: Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Nashiri, Hambali. 1054 00:57:53,459 --> 00:57:56,542 KSM. Remember that guy? That was a nice one. 1055 00:58:08,792 --> 00:58:11,334 But they had him in an Arab yuppie outfit. 1056 00:58:11,417 --> 00:58:13,000 You know, he was looking very prim and proper. 1057 00:58:13,083 --> 00:58:14,334 I'm like, Forget this. 1058 00:58:14,417 --> 00:58:16,250 I want every guy, bad guy, downrange should know 1059 00:58:16,334 --> 00:58:17,959 what their future is. 1060 00:58:18,042 --> 00:58:19,375 This is their mack daddy. 1061 00:58:19,459 --> 00:58:21,459 This is their chief gangster. 1062 00:58:23,709 --> 00:58:26,334 This is your future. 1063 00:58:26,417 --> 00:58:28,375 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 1064 00:58:28,459 --> 00:58:30,042 was waterboarded 183 times. 1065 00:58:30,125 --> 00:58:32,584 They tried to quantify the numbers 1066 00:58:32,667 --> 00:58:34,500 of pourings of water, 1067 00:58:34,584 --> 00:58:38,626 and eventually the pourings of water used 1068 00:58:38,709 --> 00:58:41,667 in waterboarding became "times." 1069 00:58:41,751 --> 00:58:44,584 So 183 total pourings of water 1070 00:58:44,667 --> 00:58:48,709 on Khalid Sheikh Mohammad became 183 times, 1071 00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:50,083 which is crazy. 1072 00:58:50,167 --> 00:58:52,834 Look, it's not FBI versus CIA. 1073 00:58:52,918 --> 00:58:55,042 I know for a fact that everything 1074 00:58:55,125 --> 00:58:58,542 that we've been told, that resulted, 1075 00:58:58,626 --> 00:59:00,209 because of waterboarding, 1076 00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:01,375 that's not true. 1077 00:59:01,459 --> 00:59:02,626 Only three terrorists 1078 00:59:02,709 --> 00:59:04,250 with American blood on their hands 1079 00:59:04,334 --> 00:59:05,584 were ever waterboarded. 1080 00:59:05,667 --> 00:59:09,792 In many cases, it was just a few days. 1081 00:59:09,876 --> 00:59:12,000 In the case of Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 1082 00:59:12,083 --> 00:59:13,459 it was just a few weeks. 1083 00:59:13,542 --> 00:59:15,167 SOUFAN: This program evolved 1084 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:17,792 because, you know, some of the stuff 1085 00:59:17,876 --> 00:59:19,959 that they tried to do is not working. 1086 00:59:20,042 --> 00:59:24,667 And during the evolution process, I realize 1087 00:59:24,751 --> 00:59:26,292 that we shouldn't be part of this 1088 00:59:26,375 --> 00:59:28,417 and--I shouldn't be even a witness for this. 1089 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,000 And I put it to our headquarters, 1090 00:59:30,083 --> 00:59:31,876 and headquarters pulled us out. 1091 00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,584 We all knew Americans would find out at some point 1092 00:59:33,667 --> 00:59:35,125 about everything we were up to. 1093 00:59:35,209 --> 00:59:36,542 There were no illusions. 1094 00:59:36,626 --> 00:59:38,959 And so you have to try to provide a lens of history 1095 00:59:39,042 --> 00:59:40,250 that doesn't exist yet. 1096 00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,209 I understand people are uncomfortable with this, 1097 00:59:42,292 --> 00:59:44,792 but the options we had were not very good. 1098 00:59:44,876 --> 00:59:47,626 [Osama bin Laden speaking foreign language] 1099 01:00:20,292 --> 01:00:22,667 MARTIN: In the aftermath of 9/11, people expected 1100 01:00:22,751 --> 01:00:25,250 and realized he would probably go to Tora Bora, 1101 01:00:25,334 --> 01:00:27,417 which he did. 1102 01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,375 ♪ 1103 01:00:31,459 --> 01:00:34,375 After Tora Bora, he more likely than not went up 1104 01:00:34,459 --> 01:00:39,209 to Kunar and then somewhere. 1105 01:00:39,292 --> 01:00:41,167 Well, it could have been in-- 1106 01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:43,042 I always thought of him as running around-- 1107 01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:47,125 maybe in the Afghan-Pak border, 1108 01:00:47,209 --> 01:00:48,500 maybe even if Afghanistan. 1109 01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:50,167 That's what my favorite would have been-- 1110 01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:52,292 having him in Afghanistan, because that was 1111 01:00:52,375 --> 01:00:55,542 his spiritual home, so to speak, 1112 01:00:55,626 --> 01:00:58,500 from the Afghan jihad. 1113 01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,751 RODRIGUEZ: I was asked, "Where is bin Laden," 1114 01:01:01,834 --> 01:01:03,250 all the time. 1115 01:01:06,667 --> 01:01:08,542 When I went to testify to the Congress, 1116 01:01:08,626 --> 01:01:10,000 the first thing they wanted to know was, 1117 01:01:10,083 --> 01:01:12,000 "Where is bin Laden?" 1118 01:01:12,083 --> 01:01:14,542 ♪ 1119 01:01:14,626 --> 01:01:16,125 I went to the Oval Office a number of times. 1120 01:01:16,209 --> 01:01:20,500 I was asked by the president "Where is bin Laden?" 1121 01:01:22,167 --> 01:01:24,959 Everybody would ask the same question: 1122 01:01:25,042 --> 01:01:26,292 "Where is bin Laden?" 1123 01:01:26,375 --> 01:01:29,584 It was very frustrating to basically have to admit 1124 01:01:29,667 --> 01:01:31,751 that you didn't know. 1125 01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:38,459 One time, one of my colleagues came in to talk 1126 01:01:38,542 --> 01:01:40,876 to me about, "Where's bin Laden?" 1127 01:01:40,959 --> 01:01:47,000 And I told him, "Look, you know, I am so tired of this. 1128 01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:50,042 "The next time that the next person asks me, 1129 01:01:50,125 --> 01:01:51,876 "'Where is bin Laden,' 1130 01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:54,459 "I'm gonna say, 'You know what? Fuck you. 1131 01:01:54,542 --> 01:01:56,709 Fuck you.'" 1132 01:01:56,792 --> 01:02:00,417 ♪ 1133 01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,918 And later that day, I went home. 1134 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,667 And the first thing my wife asked me when I get home is, 1135 01:02:05,751 --> 01:02:10,292 "Where is bin Laden? And why can't you find him?" 1136 01:02:17,167 --> 01:02:19,751 MARTIN: The toughest position to be in al-Qaeda 1137 01:02:19,834 --> 01:02:21,209 then was number three, number four. 1138 01:02:21,292 --> 01:02:22,918 Because why? You had to communicate. 1139 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,375 You had to communicate to get attacks done. 1140 01:02:24,459 --> 01:02:25,959 You had to communicate-- and if you were doing that, 1141 01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:28,083 we're on you. 1142 01:02:28,167 --> 01:02:30,876 RODRIGUEZ: Frankly, even though 1143 01:02:30,959 --> 01:02:33,417 in the back of our minds, we knew we had 1144 01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,000 to get him some day, 1145 01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:38,667 we were actually too busy going after those 1146 01:02:38,751 --> 01:02:40,792 who were actually plotting against us. 1147 01:02:40,876 --> 01:02:43,751 ♪ 1148 01:02:43,834 --> 01:02:45,709 Congratulations, Abu Butthead. 1149 01:02:45,792 --> 01:02:47,209 You're now number three in al-Qaeda. 1150 01:02:47,292 --> 01:02:48,834 That's the good news. The bad news is, 1151 01:02:48,918 --> 01:02:50,500 you're now number three in al-Qaeda. 1152 01:02:50,584 --> 01:02:52,000 You'd better buckle your chinstrap 1153 01:02:52,083 --> 01:02:53,542 because your career path is 1154 01:02:53,626 --> 01:02:55,167 probably going to be short-lived. 1155 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,667 MUDD: There is an aspect of the intelligence business 1156 01:03:01,751 --> 01:03:03,000 called targeting. 1157 01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:06,083 I think this is a revolution for a couple of reasons. 1158 01:03:06,167 --> 01:03:08,876 Just in the past ten years, the agency 1159 01:03:08,959 --> 01:03:10,834 has transitioned from strategic intelligence 1160 01:03:10,918 --> 01:03:14,125 to tactical intelligence that helps you identify 1161 01:03:14,209 --> 01:03:18,542 the movements and locations of one specific individual. 1162 01:03:18,626 --> 01:03:21,042 I'm not just worried about what al-Qaeda 1163 01:03:21,125 --> 01:03:22,626 looks like strategically; 1164 01:03:22,709 --> 01:03:24,334 I want an analyst 1165 01:03:24,417 --> 01:03:26,459 who's spending all their time looking 1166 01:03:26,542 --> 01:03:28,751 at one target with one name... 1167 01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:30,167 [Computer mouse clicking] 1168 01:03:30,250 --> 01:03:32,375 and people whose whole goal in life 1169 01:03:32,459 --> 01:03:34,959 is following one human being. 1170 01:03:47,709 --> 01:03:50,209 I went to the other women who had become 1171 01:03:50,292 --> 01:03:52,542 targeting officers when I moved over-- 1172 01:03:52,626 --> 01:03:55,125 Jennifer Matthews and some of the other women 1173 01:03:55,209 --> 01:03:56,584 who had already paved the way-- 1174 01:03:56,667 --> 01:03:58,083 just to ask them, "How do I do this? 1175 01:03:58,167 --> 01:04:00,751 I have to build this from the ground up," 1176 01:04:00,834 --> 01:04:03,500 kind of like they did on the bin Laden side. 1177 01:04:03,584 --> 01:04:05,918 You know, "How do I do this?" 1178 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,125 We still didn't have a great technical tool to do that. 1179 01:04:09,209 --> 01:04:10,918 I built a spreadsheet. 1180 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,250 And when I reached out to Barbara and Gina 1181 01:04:14,334 --> 01:04:15,918 and a few other women, they just said, 1182 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,626 "That's how we do it. 1183 01:04:17,709 --> 01:04:20,334 Go for it. That's exactly how you get it done." 1184 01:04:20,417 --> 01:04:25,459 ♪ 1185 01:04:25,542 --> 01:04:27,584 MUDD: You're leaving a digital trail every day. 1186 01:04:27,667 --> 01:04:28,959 So are terrorists... 1187 01:04:29,042 --> 01:04:30,209 when that person travels, 1188 01:04:30,292 --> 01:04:32,250 when that person gets on a phone, 1189 01:04:32,334 --> 01:04:35,292 when we get information from a courier in al-Qaeda 1190 01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:36,584 about who he's touching 1191 01:04:36,667 --> 01:04:39,083 and we bounce it against information we might have 1192 01:04:39,167 --> 01:04:41,209 found out two years ago. 1193 01:04:42,876 --> 01:04:45,125 MUDD: They're looking at a human terrorist in a field 1194 01:04:45,209 --> 01:04:47,417 and they might send a cable to a station 1195 01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:49,459 that results in action against that target 1196 01:04:49,542 --> 01:04:51,292 the next day. 1197 01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:56,959 MUDD: Somebody who wants in the fight. 1198 01:04:57,042 --> 01:05:00,083 That's what a targeter is. 1199 01:05:00,167 --> 01:05:03,209 You have to intimately know the target 1200 01:05:03,292 --> 01:05:04,584 that you're going after, 1201 01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:07,751 how you think that person is gonna act, react, 1202 01:05:07,834 --> 01:05:09,167 what they're gonna do that day, 1203 01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:11,918 what their strategy is, who they're gonna talk to. 1204 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,375 What are their priorities in life? 1205 01:05:13,459 --> 01:05:15,667 Is it wife number one, is it wife number two? 1206 01:05:15,751 --> 01:05:22,751 ♪ 1207 01:05:52,083 --> 01:05:55,834 I was in Baghdad shortly after the war started, 1208 01:05:55,918 --> 01:06:00,083 and it was kind of like being in the Wild West. 1209 01:06:01,876 --> 01:06:03,918 It was complete chaos. 1210 01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:15,709 Bin Laden was initially excited about this. 1211 01:06:15,792 --> 01:06:17,334 He was excited about Iraq. 1212 01:06:17,417 --> 01:06:18,751 This is something he 1213 01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:20,792 couldn't, at the time, pull off. 1214 01:06:20,876 --> 01:06:23,626 So he was happy to support the endeavor. 1215 01:06:23,709 --> 01:06:30,584 ♪ 1216 01:06:34,375 --> 01:06:40,918 [Gunfire] 1217 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,459 BAKOS: He was such a brutal terrorist. 1218 01:06:45,167 --> 01:06:48,709 I just felt like we owed it to the people of Iraq 1219 01:06:48,792 --> 01:06:50,667 to remove him. 1220 01:06:56,709 --> 01:07:00,000 BAKOS: It seems so strange that I never met Zarqawi. 1221 01:07:00,083 --> 01:07:02,042 My former colleagues 1222 01:07:02,125 --> 01:07:03,959 in the Jordanian Intelligence Service 1223 01:07:04,042 --> 01:07:05,751 used to call him my boyfriend. 1224 01:07:05,834 --> 01:07:08,417 [Computer mouse clicking] 1225 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,542 [Man speaking foreign language] 1226 01:07:14,751 --> 01:07:17,542 BAKOS, VOICE-OVER: I felt like I knew Zarqawi too well. 1227 01:07:26,792 --> 01:07:29,042 BAKOS: He was a quiet guy... 1228 01:07:30,542 --> 01:07:32,375 in a pathological sort of way. 1229 01:07:32,459 --> 01:07:34,792 I mean, he was a monster. 1230 01:07:37,209 --> 01:07:39,751 There were calls at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning 1231 01:07:39,834 --> 01:07:40,918 from the group chief 1232 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,334 every time a bombing happened, 1233 01:07:42,417 --> 01:07:43,626 every time he set off a VBID, 1234 01:07:43,709 --> 01:07:46,792 every time he targeted a mosque or anything. 1235 01:07:46,876 --> 01:07:49,626 ♪ 1236 01:07:49,709 --> 01:07:52,584 You know, I was thinking about him 24/7, 1237 01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:57,876 and it just wasn't pleasant after a while. 1238 01:07:59,834 --> 01:08:03,292 MARTY MARTIN: The model to me is very clear. 1239 01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:06,042 Our special forces, our JSOC operators, 1240 01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:07,542 their analysts, our analysts, 1241 01:08:07,626 --> 01:08:09,334 their operators, our operators, 1242 01:08:09,417 --> 01:08:11,000 were working hand-in-hand. 1243 01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:12,584 They were downrange. 1244 01:08:12,667 --> 01:08:15,000 They were downrange in our field stations 1245 01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:16,584 assisting in operations, 1246 01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:18,751 bringing that expertise there. 1247 01:08:18,834 --> 01:08:22,959 And the lessons and the ability to take 1248 01:08:23,042 --> 01:08:24,459 intelligence operations combined 1249 01:08:24,542 --> 01:08:29,000 with special operations to create a synergy, 1250 01:08:29,083 --> 01:08:30,334 a deadly synergy. 1251 01:08:30,417 --> 01:08:34,042 And your job as a targeting officer 1252 01:08:34,125 --> 01:08:36,626 in a war theater is to help point 1253 01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:39,292 boots on the ground or something up above 1254 01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:43,042 toward a target and be as accurate as possible. 1255 01:08:43,125 --> 01:08:48,667 ♪ 1256 01:08:48,751 --> 01:08:50,167 [Explosions] 1257 01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:53,667 MAN: Wait! 1258 01:08:53,751 --> 01:08:55,417 MAN, VOICE-OVER: For me, war is sort of like 1259 01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:57,792 something radioactive that you shouldn't touch 1260 01:08:57,876 --> 01:08:59,918 unless you've done a tremendous amount 1261 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,542 of understanding of just the damage that it will do. 1262 01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:17,334 You can flirt with the idea that "I can cross the line 1263 01:09:17,417 --> 01:09:20,417 "and go into the dark side and then I can walk back 1264 01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:23,042 "because I'm going in the dark side 1265 01:09:23,125 --> 01:09:25,000 for a good purpose." 1266 01:09:25,083 --> 01:09:27,709 And there are times when that may be appropriate, 1267 01:09:27,792 --> 01:09:30,083 but it is dangerous. 1268 01:09:30,167 --> 01:09:31,959 ♪ 1269 01:09:32,042 --> 01:09:34,292 It's easier next time to cross. 1270 01:09:36,334 --> 01:09:38,000 [Explosion] 1271 01:09:38,083 --> 01:09:40,626 [Men speaking foreign language] 1272 01:09:54,334 --> 01:09:59,709 ♪ 1273 01:09:59,792 --> 01:10:01,334 I did not like being on the raids. 1274 01:10:01,417 --> 01:10:04,959 That wasn't--I was an analyst. 1275 01:10:05,042 --> 01:10:08,375 Wasn't--I just didn't...I... 1276 01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:14,292 ♪ 1277 01:10:14,375 --> 01:10:16,417 I think there are questions 1278 01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:18,167 about an intelligence organization 1279 01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:21,500 that slowly gets involved in executing these types 1280 01:10:21,584 --> 01:10:23,542 of global counterterrorism operations. 1281 01:10:23,626 --> 01:10:25,334 That's a real mind-set change. 1282 01:10:25,417 --> 01:10:28,667 The war was not an agnostic video game. 1283 01:10:28,751 --> 01:10:30,167 It was a personal game where you know 1284 01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:31,334 you're responsible 1285 01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:32,918 not only for the lives of Americans, 1286 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,042 but for going up against an adversary 1287 01:10:35,125 --> 01:10:36,667 that you got to kill or capture. 1288 01:10:36,751 --> 01:10:39,876 August of 2004, I think we did 18 raids 1289 01:10:39,959 --> 01:10:41,459 that month in Iraq, 1290 01:10:41,542 --> 01:10:42,876 our force. 1291 01:10:42,959 --> 01:10:46,083 Two years later in 2006, same month, 1292 01:10:46,167 --> 01:10:48,250 Iraq, also, we did 300 raids. 1293 01:10:48,334 --> 01:10:50,626 [Man speaking foreign language] 1294 01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:52,334 STANLEY McCHRYSTAL: Our ability to collect 1295 01:10:52,417 --> 01:10:53,918 intelligence, act on intelligence, 1296 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,709 and then collect more intelligence had taken 1297 01:10:55,792 --> 01:11:00,918 an almost industrial size and speed to it. 1298 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,459 [Dialogue continues in foreign language] 1299 01:11:05,542 --> 01:11:07,918 BAKOS: It was definitely a well-oiled machine. 1300 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,334 There were rolling raids. 1301 01:11:10,417 --> 01:11:13,584 Sometimes those were fruitful, 1302 01:11:13,667 --> 01:11:14,959 and sometimes not so much. 1303 01:11:15,042 --> 01:11:16,375 I think sometimes the momentum 1304 01:11:16,459 --> 01:11:18,959 sort of overtook the substance 1305 01:11:19,042 --> 01:11:20,542 of what we were going after. 1306 01:11:20,626 --> 01:11:21,876 You know, it's like, "There's another target. 1307 01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:26,083 Let's go after it, just because we can." 1308 01:11:26,167 --> 01:11:27,792 The machine just kept going. 1309 01:11:27,876 --> 01:11:30,209 [Airplane engine starts] 1310 01:11:31,959 --> 01:11:34,459 MAN, VOICE-OVER: We had executed thousands 1311 01:11:34,542 --> 01:11:36,959 of these kinds of raids in Iraq 1312 01:11:37,042 --> 01:11:38,375 and Afghanistan, 1313 01:11:38,459 --> 01:11:41,000 and we got better and better at them. 1314 01:11:41,083 --> 01:11:48,209 So it was that evolution in particular with the CIA 1315 01:11:48,292 --> 01:11:50,792 in ways that we just couldn't have imagined 1316 01:11:50,876 --> 01:11:54,834 in 2001 or 2002, 1317 01:11:54,918 --> 01:11:57,709 but were absolutely critical, as it turns out, 1318 01:11:57,792 --> 01:12:00,292 in order to be able to meet this threat. 1319 01:12:00,375 --> 01:12:02,125 ♪ 1320 01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:04,042 BAKOS: But you definitely need to know 1321 01:12:04,125 --> 01:12:07,375 what your moral center is and how you define that 1322 01:12:07,459 --> 01:12:10,417 for yourself in order to be able to do that job. 1323 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,959 I mean, I worked in a center where my job was to hunt 1324 01:12:14,042 --> 01:12:16,083 a person down to capture or kill. 1325 01:12:16,167 --> 01:12:17,626 I mean, I had to be OK with that. 1326 01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:21,125 And, you know, the paradox of wanting to save 1327 01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:22,709 the women and children of Iraq 1328 01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:26,375 and kill someone in order to do that 1329 01:12:26,459 --> 01:12:28,834 wasn't lost on me by any means. 1330 01:12:28,918 --> 01:12:30,709 But, you know, I... 1331 01:12:30,792 --> 01:12:32,876 I can justify that for myself. 1332 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,500 HASLER: The war on terror. 1333 01:12:39,584 --> 01:12:41,417 [Explosion] 1334 01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:43,500 How can you have a war on terror 1335 01:12:43,584 --> 01:12:45,709 when terrorism is a tactic? 1336 01:12:45,792 --> 01:12:47,292 You have a war against people. 1337 01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,042 ♪ 1338 01:12:50,125 --> 01:12:53,334 So the question immediately becomes, 1339 01:12:53,417 --> 01:12:54,876 Who are the people that we're fighting 1340 01:12:54,959 --> 01:12:56,918 the war against? 1341 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,417 ♪ 1342 01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:59,918 [Explosions] 1343 01:13:00,042 --> 01:13:03,250 And I think still most people don't understand 1344 01:13:03,334 --> 01:13:04,667 why they hate us. 1345 01:13:04,751 --> 01:13:06,792 [Man speaking foreign language] 1346 01:13:11,751 --> 01:13:15,959 Some strikes are necessary, but if our solution 1347 01:13:16,042 --> 01:13:19,959 to this kind of problem is to just strike 1348 01:13:20,042 --> 01:13:22,209 without trying to take effective efforts 1349 01:13:22,292 --> 01:13:25,375 to prevent the rise of threats, it's endless. 1350 01:13:25,459 --> 01:13:26,792 ♪ 1351 01:13:26,876 --> 01:13:29,292 HASLER: Shock and awe does not end wars on terrorism. 1352 01:13:29,375 --> 01:13:32,542 It only creates more terrorism. 1353 01:13:32,626 --> 01:13:34,959 Money starts to flow to terrorist groups, 1354 01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:37,042 people become more radicalized. 1355 01:13:37,125 --> 01:13:38,250 [Crowd cheering] 1356 01:13:38,334 --> 01:13:40,083 [Men chanting in foreign language] 1357 01:13:40,167 --> 01:13:41,709 HASLER: Wars on terror should be fought 1358 01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:45,500 under the radar, as quietly as possible. 1359 01:13:46,959 --> 01:13:49,959 But counterterrorist operations are, 1360 01:13:50,042 --> 01:13:51,334 by their nature, 1361 01:13:51,417 --> 01:13:54,417 not very satisfying to a frightened public. 1362 01:13:54,500 --> 01:14:01,334 ♪ 1363 01:14:05,667 --> 01:14:07,459 BAKOS: And we were working closely 1364 01:14:07,542 --> 01:14:09,542 with the bin Laden unit, 1365 01:14:09,626 --> 01:14:11,792 and the dynamic of the relationship 1366 01:14:11,876 --> 01:14:13,876 between Zarqawi and core al-Qaeda 1367 01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:15,834 sort of turned a lot of assessments on 1368 01:14:15,918 --> 01:14:18,626 what was happening with core al-Qaeda on its head. 1369 01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:22,459 Bin Laden didn't know, I'm sure, what he was 1370 01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:24,000 getting into with Zarqawi-- 1371 01:14:24,083 --> 01:14:26,167 how fundamentally different he was 1372 01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,626 from some of his other al-Qaeda leaders. 1373 01:14:30,125 --> 01:14:33,167 He did not have the same academic background 1374 01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:35,542 that a lot of the al-Qaeda scholars had. 1375 01:14:35,626 --> 01:14:37,959 He didn't have the same-- 1376 01:14:38,042 --> 01:14:41,459 for a lack of a better way to put it-- 1377 01:14:41,542 --> 01:14:45,250 professional sense of jihad as al-Qaeda did. 1378 01:14:45,334 --> 01:14:47,542 He didn't understand the rules of the game. 1379 01:14:47,626 --> 01:14:50,042 He just thought he could enact 1380 01:14:50,125 --> 01:14:52,834 any strategy regardless of how brutal it was. 1381 01:14:52,918 --> 01:14:54,918 [Man speaking foreign language] 1382 01:15:03,626 --> 01:15:10,626 ♪ 1383 01:15:19,959 --> 01:15:21,626 BAKOS: It was surprising to hear 1384 01:15:21,709 --> 01:15:24,459 that Zarqawi was not being deferential. 1385 01:15:26,459 --> 01:15:28,751 He was being insubordinate. 1386 01:15:35,876 --> 01:15:37,876 [Computer mouse clicking] 1387 01:15:44,042 --> 01:15:47,167 ♪ 1388 01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:51,500 Hassan Ghul was an emissary from al-Qaeda. 1389 01:15:54,209 --> 01:15:56,876 He was actually bringing over another letter 1390 01:15:56,959 --> 01:16:00,459 from al-Qaeda central to Zarqawi about 1391 01:16:00,542 --> 01:16:03,083 how he should be conducting operations in Iraq. 1392 01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:08,459 When we realized that Hassan Ghul 1393 01:16:08,542 --> 01:16:10,250 would be traveling to Iraq, 1394 01:16:10,334 --> 01:16:13,417 we decided this was an opportunity for us. 1395 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,834 So we actually planned an operation-- 1396 01:16:15,918 --> 01:16:20,459 it was my team with our base and the Kurdish government-- 1397 01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:22,584 to capture him. 1398 01:16:22,667 --> 01:16:25,584 And we definite-- 1399 01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:27,500 the Kurdish government kept him, and we 1400 01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:29,834 definitely gained a lot of information out of him, 1401 01:16:29,918 --> 01:16:31,542 including Al-Kuwaiti's name 1402 01:16:31,626 --> 01:16:34,834 and the role that he played with bin Laden. 1403 01:16:34,918 --> 01:16:36,334 Did that answer... 1404 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:37,834 INTERVIEWER: Do you know how his name, 1405 01:16:37,918 --> 01:16:41,125 Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's, came up? 1406 01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:43,292 [Chuckles] 1407 01:16:46,083 --> 01:16:48,584 Within the course of a debriefing 1408 01:16:48,667 --> 01:16:50,584 with the Kurdish government, 1409 01:16:50,667 --> 01:16:52,375 Hassan Ghul gave up the name of Al-Kuwaiti, 1410 01:16:52,459 --> 01:16:54,542 the courier. 1411 01:16:56,042 --> 01:16:57,959 RODRIGUEZ: Ahmed from Kuwait. 1412 01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:02,167 It was significant information, 1413 01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:07,292 even though we knew that the pseudonym al-Kuwaiti 1414 01:17:07,375 --> 01:17:09,083 was a throwaways. 1415 01:17:09,167 --> 01:17:11,125 I mean, who-- It's like saying 1416 01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:13,417 "Jose the Puerto Rican," you know? 1417 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,792 It could be anybody. 1418 01:17:15,876 --> 01:17:19,000 The key is what he told us about bin Laden 1419 01:17:19,083 --> 01:17:21,292 not using any other means of communicating. 1420 01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:23,000 ♪ 1421 01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:25,626 We asked Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 1422 01:17:25,709 --> 01:17:29,876 about the information of the courier... 1423 01:17:29,959 --> 01:17:31,876 and he kind of just... 1424 01:17:31,959 --> 01:17:33,584 He jumped back. 1425 01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:35,626 His body language jumped back. He changed. 1426 01:17:35,709 --> 01:17:36,751 And he said, "No, no, no." 1427 01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,959 Look, we all know, even as little kids, 1428 01:17:41,042 --> 01:17:43,792 if suddenly you react and go, "No, no, no," 1429 01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,375 it probably means "Yes, yes, yes." 1430 01:17:45,459 --> 01:17:47,125 He had not been truthful. 1431 01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:49,751 But later--and this is the benefits 1432 01:17:49,834 --> 01:17:52,167 of having black sites-- 1433 01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:54,542 we intercepted a communication from him 1434 01:17:54,626 --> 01:17:57,626 to some of the other detainees. 1435 01:17:57,709 --> 01:18:00,751 He told his fellow detainees not to say a word 1436 01:18:00,834 --> 01:18:02,250 about the courier, 1437 01:18:02,334 --> 01:18:05,209 thereby telling us a lot about the courier... 1438 01:18:05,292 --> 01:18:07,042 ♪ 1439 01:18:07,125 --> 01:18:09,459 that he's of tremendous importance 1440 01:18:09,542 --> 01:18:11,584 and that we were on to something. 1441 01:18:20,918 --> 01:18:24,000 [Vehicles passing in distance, whistles blowing] 1442 01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:45,834 MICHAEL HAYDEN: In late 2007, 1443 01:18:45,918 --> 01:18:48,375 the bin Laden cell came to me. 1444 01:18:48,459 --> 01:18:50,209 ♪ 1445 01:18:50,292 --> 01:18:53,751 Some of these people had been doing this 1446 01:18:53,834 --> 01:18:55,542 well before 9/11. 1447 01:18:55,626 --> 01:18:57,542 I mean, they go all the way back to Alec Station. 1448 01:18:57,626 --> 01:19:02,167 These people had spent their lives on this target. 1449 01:19:04,542 --> 01:19:06,792 They said, "We're going to try another approach. 1450 01:19:06,876 --> 01:19:08,417 "It's got to be the courier network. 1451 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:11,000 "We've got some information on couriers. 1452 01:19:11,083 --> 01:19:13,500 We're gonna begin to build from that." 1453 01:19:20,334 --> 01:19:23,292 The way it works is information comes in. 1454 01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:25,167 You catalogue it, you organize it. 1455 01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,125 You know, that little nugget there could sit 1456 01:19:28,209 --> 01:19:30,584 fallow on your shelves for four or five years 1457 01:19:30,667 --> 01:19:33,250 until something else comes in that's suddenly 1458 01:19:33,334 --> 01:19:35,500 very illuminating about something that you 1459 01:19:35,584 --> 01:19:38,042 may have had for a very long period of time. 1460 01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:44,417 That actually happened in the work 1461 01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,542 we did to hunt for Osama bin Laden 1462 01:19:47,626 --> 01:19:50,375 by trying to track his courier. 1463 01:19:50,459 --> 01:19:55,083 ♪ 1464 01:19:55,167 --> 01:19:57,667 RODRIGUEZ: It took years for the agency 1465 01:19:57,751 --> 01:19:59,125 to recruit the human source 1466 01:19:59,209 --> 01:20:02,459 that eventually gave us the true name. 1467 01:20:03,918 --> 01:20:05,334 That's why we're in the business 1468 01:20:05,417 --> 01:20:08,918 of clandestine human intelligence, 1469 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000 because in many cases, all these fancy gadgets 1470 01:20:13,083 --> 01:20:15,209 and everything else 1471 01:20:15,292 --> 01:20:17,042 won't give you the information 1472 01:20:17,125 --> 01:20:18,876 that you really need-- 1473 01:20:18,959 --> 01:20:21,250 a true name. 1474 01:20:21,334 --> 01:20:23,292 And we finally got his true name... 1475 01:20:27,626 --> 01:20:29,083 which is whatever it is. 1476 01:20:29,167 --> 01:20:30,125 [Laughs] 1477 01:20:30,209 --> 01:20:32,834 Whatever Arabic name, you know? 1478 01:20:32,918 --> 01:20:36,876 But the true name, we were able to find out 1479 01:20:36,959 --> 01:20:38,626 a lot about him. 1480 01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:40,500 From then on, you know, 1481 01:20:40,584 --> 01:20:42,751 the agency was able to do what it does so well-- 1482 01:20:42,834 --> 01:20:44,500 track the guy and find him. 1483 01:20:46,459 --> 01:20:47,876 HAYDEN: Very soon after that, 1484 01:20:47,959 --> 01:20:49,209 I briefed the President. 1485 01:20:49,292 --> 01:20:51,042 I said, "I got to tell you, Mr. President, my guys, 1486 01:20:51,125 --> 01:20:53,500 "they seem a little optimistic about this. 1487 01:20:53,584 --> 01:20:55,500 They actually think this could lead somewhere." 1488 01:20:58,709 --> 01:21:00,834 [Overlapping conversations in foreign language] 1489 01:21:12,626 --> 01:21:16,042 MARTIN: You're projecting force and intelligence 1490 01:21:16,125 --> 01:21:18,792 and assets across that border. 1491 01:21:18,876 --> 01:21:21,834 And that's what Khost represented. 1492 01:21:21,918 --> 01:21:26,042 Their focus was across over there in Waziristan, 1493 01:21:26,125 --> 01:21:29,000 because that's where the enemy was. 1494 01:21:33,667 --> 01:21:35,667 [Vehicle horns honking] 1495 01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,042 MAN: Jen Matthews was the chief of base, 1496 01:21:41,125 --> 01:21:42,667 of the CIA base down there. 1497 01:21:42,751 --> 01:21:45,125 She was there to have her fingers 1498 01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:47,709 right on the pulse of the information 1499 01:21:47,792 --> 01:21:50,334 that was coming through the base. 1500 01:21:50,417 --> 01:21:53,876 She never enunciated that, so to speak, 1501 01:21:53,959 --> 01:21:56,209 in such stark terms, 1502 01:21:56,292 --> 01:21:58,083 but my sense was she was 1503 01:21:58,167 --> 01:22:01,792 there to target and kill 1504 01:22:01,876 --> 01:22:03,709 senior al-Qaeda leaders. 1505 01:22:05,042 --> 01:22:08,209 I asked her, "Do you think we're going to get him?" 1506 01:22:08,292 --> 01:22:10,167 She smiled and said, 1507 01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:14,083 "We'll get him eventually, 1508 01:22:14,167 --> 01:22:15,876 and I hope I'm a part of it." 1509 01:22:15,959 --> 01:22:17,584 So... 1510 01:22:17,667 --> 01:22:24,542 ♪ 1511 01:22:42,042 --> 01:22:45,125 [Man speaking foreign language] 1512 01:23:34,375 --> 01:23:37,292 MAN: He's not at all what you'd expect as a radical. 1513 01:23:37,375 --> 01:23:40,375 He's a doctor; he's working in a refugee clinic. 1514 01:23:46,667 --> 01:23:48,792 It turns out he had this very dangerous hobby 1515 01:23:48,876 --> 01:23:50,083 on the side, which was writing this blog 1516 01:23:50,167 --> 01:23:51,667 and getting himself in trouble. 1517 01:23:51,751 --> 01:23:53,209 Over a period of months, 1518 01:23:53,292 --> 01:23:54,584 he becomes one of 1519 01:23:54,667 --> 01:23:56,209 the most visible writers 1520 01:23:56,292 --> 01:23:58,000 on the internet, and the CIA 1521 01:23:58,083 --> 01:23:59,667 and the Jordanian intelligence 1522 01:23:59,751 --> 01:24:03,542 go all out to recruit Balawi to be a spy. 1523 01:24:04,834 --> 01:24:07,000 Over several weeks, they convince him 1524 01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:08,542 to go to work for them. 1525 01:24:09,876 --> 01:24:12,459 [Humam al-Balawi speaking foreign language] 1526 01:24:25,709 --> 01:24:27,876 [Overlapping conversations in foreign language] 1527 01:24:49,542 --> 01:24:51,834 ♪ 1528 01:24:51,918 --> 01:24:54,626 JOBY WARRICK: Balawi finds his way into Pakistan 1529 01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:56,167 and essentially disappears. 1530 01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:57,542 Very likely somebody suspected him 1531 01:24:57,626 --> 01:25:00,334 as being an informant and maybe cut his head off. 1532 01:25:02,626 --> 01:25:05,542 Nobody hears anything from Balawi for three months. 1533 01:25:06,751 --> 01:25:08,834 Suddenly he's back on the radar screen again, 1534 01:25:08,918 --> 01:25:11,876 and he's saying, "I've gotten inside." 1535 01:25:11,959 --> 01:25:13,459 Balawi is a doctor. 1536 01:25:13,542 --> 01:25:14,918 He is now beginning to treat 1537 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,125 the number two leader of al-Qaeda, 1538 01:25:17,209 --> 01:25:19,083 Ayman al-Zawahiri. 1539 01:25:19,167 --> 01:25:23,667 [al-Balawi speaking foreign language] 1540 01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,000 When Balawi sends this information 1541 01:25:25,083 --> 01:25:27,959 to the CIA headquarters, the place goes crazy. 1542 01:25:28,042 --> 01:25:30,334 Even the White House gets briefed. 1543 01:25:30,417 --> 01:25:32,834 This young man, Balawi, 1544 01:25:32,918 --> 01:25:34,709 is gonna take us right to number two 1545 01:25:34,792 --> 01:25:37,167 and maybe even to number one. 1546 01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:39,292 [al-Balawi speaking foreign language] 1547 01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:47,125 WARRICK: The meeting has to take place 1548 01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:49,792 in a place where the CIA can completely control 1549 01:25:49,876 --> 01:25:52,125 the environment, and by default, 1550 01:25:52,209 --> 01:25:54,918 this becomes the CIA base at Khost. 1551 01:25:56,042 --> 01:25:57,500 It falls to Jennifer Matthews 1552 01:25:57,584 --> 01:26:00,167 to come with a plan to get Balawi 1553 01:26:00,250 --> 01:26:04,000 inside this base at Khost without being detected. 1554 01:26:04,083 --> 01:26:06,042 Well, the problem is 1555 01:26:06,125 --> 01:26:08,918 that nobody in the CIA has ever met with Balawi. 1556 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,626 ♪ 1557 01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:16,334 WARRICK: They make arrangements for him to come 1558 01:26:16,417 --> 01:26:17,834 into the base without even being searched 1559 01:26:17,918 --> 01:26:19,334 or checked because they're afraid 1560 01:26:19,417 --> 01:26:20,834 that somebody might recognize him, 1561 01:26:20,918 --> 01:26:22,626 his identity might be compromised. 1562 01:26:40,334 --> 01:26:42,334 ♪ 1563 01:26:42,417 --> 01:26:46,834 People have been too quick to blame Jennifer, 1564 01:26:46,918 --> 01:26:50,792 and that I reject totally 1565 01:26:50,876 --> 01:26:52,792 because there were many people 1566 01:26:52,876 --> 01:26:54,500 looking at this operation. 1567 01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:59,626 ♪ 1568 01:26:59,709 --> 01:27:03,083 RODRIGUEZ: People wanted to believe that the source 1569 01:27:03,167 --> 01:27:05,000 was good. 1570 01:27:11,292 --> 01:27:13,000 ♪ 1571 01:27:13,083 --> 01:27:16,584 There were also pressures coming from the White House 1572 01:27:16,667 --> 01:27:18,209 and elsewhere, saying, you know, 1573 01:27:18,292 --> 01:27:21,417 "Pursue, pursue, pursue. We need to do this." 1574 01:27:24,918 --> 01:27:28,209 I'm sure there were people, voices out there saying, 1575 01:27:28,292 --> 01:27:30,167 "Uh, maybe not." 1576 01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:34,250 "Maybe we should slow down." 1577 01:27:34,334 --> 01:27:36,584 ♪ 1578 01:27:36,667 --> 01:27:39,209 That happens in many operations. 1579 01:27:41,751 --> 01:27:43,918 Didn't happen in this one. 1580 01:27:46,542 --> 01:27:47,918 WARRICK: So they set up a plan to get him 1581 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,459 through the checkpoints without being even looked at 1582 01:27:50,542 --> 01:27:52,125 by the guards. 1583 01:27:53,834 --> 01:27:55,167 He gets further into the base, 1584 01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:57,667 goes through a second checkpoint, 1585 01:27:57,751 --> 01:27:58,918 goes to a third checkpoint, 1586 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,876 and gets all the way in to the innermost heart 1587 01:28:00,959 --> 01:28:02,959 of the base, the inner sanctum. 1588 01:28:08,417 --> 01:28:11,167 WARRICK: There are a total of 14 CIA officers lined up 1589 01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:12,626 to meet him. 1590 01:28:20,959 --> 01:28:22,542 WARRICK: Balawi gets out of 1591 01:28:22,626 --> 01:28:24,209 the car on the wrong side, 1592 01:28:24,292 --> 01:28:25,876 and he's chanting the words 1593 01:28:25,959 --> 01:28:27,834 in Arabic "God is great." 1594 01:28:27,918 --> 01:28:29,542 Before anyone could stop Balawi, 1595 01:28:29,626 --> 01:28:31,292 he fumbles for his detonator. 1596 01:28:38,459 --> 01:28:40,292 You will be sent to the hell. 1597 01:28:40,375 --> 01:28:42,042 WARRICK: Balawi hits a switch, 1598 01:28:42,125 --> 01:28:44,334 blows himself up, and there's a terrific explosion 1599 01:28:44,417 --> 01:28:47,918 that kills almost everybody who's within direct sight 1600 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,751 of Balawi at the time of the explosion. 1601 01:28:49,834 --> 01:28:52,000 MICHAEL WALTZ: We heard the explosion, 1602 01:28:52,083 --> 01:28:53,918 but when we saw the smoke coming up 1603 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,292 from exactly where I knew Chapman was, 1604 01:28:56,375 --> 01:28:59,042 then I knew the base had been hit. 1605 01:28:59,125 --> 01:29:00,626 We knew that someone had gotten 1606 01:29:00,709 --> 01:29:01,959 inside the base, 1607 01:29:02,042 --> 01:29:03,709 and we knew that it was the agency 1608 01:29:03,792 --> 01:29:05,667 that had been hit. 1609 01:29:05,751 --> 01:29:07,584 And we knew it was bad. 1610 01:29:07,667 --> 01:29:13,709 ♪ 1611 01:29:13,792 --> 01:29:16,500 By the time we got on the scene, 1612 01:29:16,584 --> 01:29:20,292 it was an ugly scene. 1613 01:29:20,375 --> 01:29:23,042 There were, you know, parts everywhere. 1614 01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:25,876 The conventional unit that was there landed-- 1615 01:29:25,959 --> 01:29:29,542 the helicopter right in the courtyard 1616 01:29:29,626 --> 01:29:32,709 and evaced as many of the wounded as possible. 1617 01:29:32,792 --> 01:29:38,375 You know, he said Jen didn't make it. 1618 01:29:38,459 --> 01:29:39,542 Uh... 1619 01:29:43,876 --> 01:29:46,584 Her logistics chief that we had worked with 1620 01:29:46,667 --> 01:29:50,918 to close the base on a daily basis didn't make it. 1621 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,292 And some of her case officers 1622 01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:57,209 never made it even back to--you know, 1623 01:29:57,292 --> 01:29:59,125 they died on the scene. 1624 01:30:07,626 --> 01:30:10,667 RODRIGUEZ: When you do this and do this and do this, 1625 01:30:10,751 --> 01:30:14,250 eventually you lose one. 1626 01:30:14,334 --> 01:30:15,792 And we lost... 1627 01:30:15,876 --> 01:30:18,667 and we lost really good people. 1628 01:30:18,751 --> 01:30:25,500 ♪ 1629 01:30:25,584 --> 01:30:28,417 BAKOS: When I heard that Jennifer was in Khost... 1630 01:30:30,375 --> 01:30:33,375 I was shocked that she... 1631 01:30:35,167 --> 01:30:40,250 was taken out by bin Laden. 1632 01:30:40,334 --> 01:30:42,250 I mean, that was just-- 1633 01:30:42,334 --> 01:30:44,417 that just seemed so surreal 1634 01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:46,125 that that would happen to her. 1635 01:30:46,209 --> 01:30:50,000 You know, after she spent so many years trying to prevent 1636 01:30:50,083 --> 01:30:52,626 another tragedy by him, 1637 01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:54,292 You know, he, in effect, 1638 01:30:54,375 --> 01:30:56,125 had anything to do with her death, 1639 01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:58,125 it's incredibly disheartening. 1640 01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:05,042 HAYDEN: There was some criticism of the agency. 1641 01:31:05,125 --> 01:31:07,083 Frankly, I understand that. 1642 01:31:07,167 --> 01:31:10,626 But you don't get Abbottabad without Khost. 1643 01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,876 An agency that's not willing to take the risks that were 1644 01:31:16,959 --> 01:31:18,542 evident at Khost, 1645 01:31:18,626 --> 01:31:21,626 which unfortunately ended tragically... 1646 01:31:23,542 --> 01:31:25,792 that agency, if it's not willing to do that 1647 01:31:25,876 --> 01:31:28,667 is not an agency to do what it had to do 1648 01:31:28,751 --> 01:31:32,834 to build that trail all the way to Abbottabad. 1649 01:31:32,918 --> 01:31:37,500 In fact, some of the human beings who built 1650 01:31:37,584 --> 01:31:41,417 the trail to Abbottabad were actually killed at Khost. 1651 01:31:44,292 --> 01:31:48,375 It was kind of Team America in the hunt for bin Laden 1652 01:31:48,459 --> 01:31:50,292 and the fight against al-Qaeda. 1653 01:31:50,375 --> 01:31:53,709 And there is powerful connective tissue 1654 01:31:53,792 --> 01:31:55,500 between the two events. 1655 01:31:55,584 --> 01:31:59,667 ♪ 1656 01:31:59,751 --> 01:32:01,792 [Man speaking foreign language in voice-over] 1657 01:34:17,834 --> 01:34:24,751 ♪ 1658 01:34:37,209 --> 01:34:40,334 [Mustafa Ansara speaking foreign language in voice-over] 1659 01:35:42,959 --> 01:35:44,918 STORER: The hunt for the courier to bin Laden 1660 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,542 makes complete sense to me. 1661 01:35:47,626 --> 01:35:51,584 It was based on all of these years of experience working 1662 01:35:51,667 --> 01:35:53,125 with a very tight-knit group of people 1663 01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:55,834 who really cared about this and supported each other. 1664 01:35:55,918 --> 01:35:57,918 ♪ 1665 01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,918 We invented the technique that works, 1666 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,918 and it's the technique that got bin Laden in the end. 1667 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,876 ♪ 1668 01:36:06,959 --> 01:36:09,959 I got a call from another-- a former colleague, 1669 01:36:10,042 --> 01:36:14,000 and he said, "Turn on the news." 1670 01:36:14,083 --> 01:36:15,459 You know, I was at home. 1671 01:36:15,542 --> 01:36:16,751 "Turn on the news. 1672 01:36:16,834 --> 01:36:18,959 The President's going to make an announcement." 1673 01:36:19,042 --> 01:36:23,000 And I had a feeling that it's been a good day 1674 01:36:23,083 --> 01:36:24,542 at the office... 1675 01:36:29,334 --> 01:36:30,626 OBAMA: Good evening. 1676 01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:34,667 And then finally it's him. 1677 01:36:34,751 --> 01:36:37,500 They got him. They got him finally. 1678 01:36:43,709 --> 01:36:46,626 That was--yeah, that was really something. 1679 01:36:48,876 --> 01:36:50,542 [Crowd cheering] 1680 01:36:50,626 --> 01:36:53,459 [Crowd chanting "USA"] 1681 01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:03,751 CROWD MEMBERS: ♪ Na na na na ♪ 1682 01:37:03,834 --> 01:37:05,876 ♪ Na na na na ♪ 1683 01:37:05,959 --> 01:37:07,667 ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 1684 01:37:07,751 --> 01:37:08,792 ♪ Good-bye... ♪ 1685 01:37:08,876 --> 01:37:10,083 SECOND GROUP: ♪ Obama, Obama ♪ 1686 01:37:10,167 --> 01:37:11,834 ♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪ 1687 01:37:11,918 --> 01:37:13,500 ♪ Obama, Obama ♪ 1688 01:37:13,584 --> 01:37:15,500 ♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪ 1689 01:37:15,584 --> 01:37:17,125 ♪ Obama, Obama ♪ 1690 01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:19,125 ♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪ 1691 01:37:19,209 --> 01:37:20,542 ♪ Obama, Obama, we... ♪ 1692 01:37:20,626 --> 01:37:22,834 McCHRYSTAL: I'm not sure America has made the effort 1693 01:37:22,918 --> 01:37:24,417 that it needs to 1694 01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,209 to understand what it is we just went through. 1695 01:37:27,292 --> 01:37:30,584 The really key part is not how to do these operations; 1696 01:37:30,667 --> 01:37:31,792 the thing to understand is, 1697 01:37:31,876 --> 01:37:34,292 why are the people that we are fighting 1698 01:37:34,375 --> 01:37:35,751 doing what they're doing? 1699 01:37:35,834 --> 01:37:38,542 Why is the enemy the enemy? 1700 01:37:39,834 --> 01:37:42,209 If you don't understand why they're doing it, 1701 01:37:42,292 --> 01:37:44,417 it's very difficult to stop. 1702 01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:47,834 [Vehicle horns honking] 1703 01:37:47,918 --> 01:37:49,876 We don't speak the language enough. 1704 01:37:49,959 --> 01:37:51,709 We don't understand the culture enough. 1705 01:37:51,792 --> 01:37:57,417 We haven't taken the time to not be blind, deaf, and dumb 1706 01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:59,667 in areas of the world that matter to us. 1707 01:38:27,167 --> 01:38:30,167 MARTIN: It's a nice chapter to close, 1708 01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:32,500 nice chapter to close. 1709 01:38:33,751 --> 01:38:35,584 It's not over. 1710 01:38:35,667 --> 01:38:37,667 Sadly enough, I think we're gonna 1711 01:38:37,751 --> 01:38:40,042 be in this situation again. 1712 01:38:44,751 --> 01:38:47,042 BAKOS: Bin Laden achieved, you know, spreading 1713 01:38:47,125 --> 01:38:51,334 his ideology beyond what he probably expected it to. 1714 01:38:51,417 --> 01:38:54,500 How do you kill an ideology? 1715 01:38:54,584 --> 01:38:56,959 Killing one person doesn't end that. 1716 01:39:00,125 --> 01:39:01,334 MUDD: I don't like it. 1717 01:39:01,417 --> 01:39:02,834 I don't want it to continue. I hope it stops. 1718 01:39:02,918 --> 01:39:04,125 I hope we don't live in a world 1719 01:39:04,209 --> 01:39:05,667 where you deal with an adversary 1720 01:39:05,751 --> 01:39:08,250 that loses respect for the sanctity of human life. 1721 01:39:08,334 --> 01:39:09,834 But, look, this isn't a picture 1722 01:39:09,918 --> 01:39:11,334 from a video arcade. 1723 01:39:11,417 --> 01:39:14,834 This is a human being who has a family and a soul. 1724 01:39:14,918 --> 01:39:18,584 So when you confront that, what are you gonna do? 1725 01:39:19,918 --> 01:39:22,542 There are philosophical debates you can have, 1726 01:39:22,626 --> 01:39:24,250 but at the end of the day, the question is: 1727 01:39:24,334 --> 01:39:26,709 Are you gonna move or not? Yes or no? 1728 01:39:26,792 --> 01:39:28,792 Go or no go? That's it. 1729 01:39:32,876 --> 01:39:40,792 ♪ 120134

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