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[Crowd cheering]
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TV ANNOUNCER: We will hear
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from the President
of the United States.
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He will address the country
in mere moments now,
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speaking from the east room.
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It is going to be a confirmation
of a huge development.
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BARACK OBAMA:
Good evening.
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Tonight, I can report
to the American people
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and to the world--
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the United States has conducted
an operation that killed
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Osama bin Laden,
the leader of al-Qaeda.
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Tonight we give thanks
to the countless intelligence
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and counterterrorism
professionals
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who worked tirelessly
to achieve this outcome.
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OBAMA: The American people
do not see their work,
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nor know their names,
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but tonight they feel
the satisfaction of their work.
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♪
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[Man speaking foreign language]
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♪
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WOMAN, VOICE-OVER: I think women
make fantastic analysts.
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We have
patience and perseverance.
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And we're not always looking
for the sexy payoff immediately.
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DIFFERENT WOMAN, VOICE-OVER:
You know, trying to keep track
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of all the threads
of various threats,
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and which ones are real
and which ones aren't real
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and what connects to what.
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And, you know, people say,
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"Why didn't you
connect the dots?"
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"Well, because
the whole page is black?"
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DIFFERENT WOMAN, VOICE-OVER:
To pull a story
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out of all of
this information,
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but there is no one
single intelligence looking
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at all this information.
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It's a lot of different
brains looking.
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So the more that you
can bring people together
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and, you know,
share what's important,
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the better it works.
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At that time, the people
who had
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really deep expertise
in al-Qaeda...
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you know, they were women.
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And they did a job that
at first did not make them
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very popular
with their managers.
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I was counseled once
in a performance review
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that I was spending too much
time working on bin Laden.
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[Chuckles]
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They said we
were obsessed crusaders,
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overly emotional.
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You know, using all
those women's stereotypes.
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Men throw chairs.
Women cry.
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I ask you,
Which one is better?
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Yes, we were
borderline obsessed,
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but I thought it was
for a good reason.
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And were we crusading?
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I wouldn't call it
a crusade.
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Were we passionate about
what they were doing?
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Absolutely.
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And that's
another bureaucratic
norm of the time.
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You weren't supposed to be
passionate about anything,
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which I think
is ridiculous.
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How can you do something
like this without passion?
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You can't.
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[Osama bin Laden
speaking foreign language]
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DIFFERENT WOMAN: "Take a stand.
We drove out the Russians.
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"We destroyed
the Russian empire.
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"Now we'll drive out
the Americans
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"and we'll destroy
the U.S. empire.
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It worked then,
it'll work here."
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He felt
like the United States
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was driving a world movement
against Muslims
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and was the driver
for everything
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that was happening
that was bad.
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[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language on recording]
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CINDY STORER: Your starting
point is Afghanistan.
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Abdullah Azzam is the godfather
of the Afghan jihad.
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He is the one who called
everyone to go and fight
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in Afghanistan
against the Soviets.
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He helped set up a council
of charities to bring
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people and money to help
with jihad.
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And his partner
was Osama bin Laden.
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SUSAN HASLER: A link chart
is the visual representation
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of a terrorist network.
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And it's what terrorism
analysts spend
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much of their time
building.
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STORER: My mental image is
that, you know, I'm doing
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Jacob's ladder.
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You've got the string
where you're pulling
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the strings
in your fingers.
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I feel like that's
what I'm doing mentally.
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STORER: Well, we
certainly didn't know
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that al-Qaeda existed.
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We didn't know there was
a terrorist organization.
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We knew there was
a very wealthy man
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named Osama bin Laden,
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who was funding a lot
of terrorist groups.
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We knew that there were
people from terrorist groups
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from all over the world,
hanging out in Afghanistan
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and in bin Laden's
circle.
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So you start to see
signs of what looks like
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an organization.
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But is this bin Laden
as a financial manager
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with a bunch of
companies funding
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various terrorist groups
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or is there a separate
terrorist group here?
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And that was
a big question.
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Even in the analytical
community, there's
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a relatively smaller
percentage of people
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who are really good
at making sense
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of information that doesn't
appear to be connected.
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So this is what we call
pattern analysis--
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trying to figure out
what things look like.
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And those people, you really
need those people to work
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on an issue like terrorism,
counter-narcotic,
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international arms
trafficking
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because you've got
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bits and pieces
of scattered information
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from all over the place
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and you have to try to
make some sense of it.
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And these are
organizations--
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certainly al-Qaeda
was one--
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didn't even want to announce
their presence to the world
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for a long time.
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You have to try to
figure out they're there
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when they're trying to
deny, even to their friends,
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that they exist.
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That takes this talent,
which is also a skill,
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and people would refer
to it as magic.
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Not the analysts
doing it,
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but other people who
didn't have that talent
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referred to it as magic.
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What I have here
are four half-dollars.
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MAN, VOICE-OVER:
When you're following
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an intelligence event,
sometimes things move
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and change in ways
that you can't see.
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You might think
it's in one place,
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and it pops up in another,
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and you can't see
how that happens.
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MAN: So these coins
are gonna jump one at a time
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from here all the way
over to here.
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But they're going
to do it invisibly.
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1, 2, 3, 4. Watch.
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See it jump? Heh. Heh.
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JOHN McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER:
Reality is changing
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all the time.
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A single fact may come in
which dramatically changes
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your understanding
and your projection
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of where something's going.
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McLAUGHLIN: Two and two.
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Are you with me?
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McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER:
Now, an analyst
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in the intelligence
profession
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is dealing
with highly ambiguous situations
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in which information is
arriving incrementally,
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in fragments.
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Are you with me?
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McLAUGHLIN, VOICE-OVER:
You never get the whole picture.
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The picture changes
as these pieces arrive.
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Your perception
of reality changes.
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You have to be very clear
about what you concretely
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know and what you
don't know.
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♪
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Alec Station was
a collection of people
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who had backgrounds
in everything
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from analysis to operations.
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When you think
about the CIA,
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there's a few
different cultures there.
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One is an analytic culture--
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people who try
to assess things,
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figure out what is actually
happening somewhere
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and project ahead--
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and an operational culture,
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that is, people who go out
and collect intelligence,
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develop human spies,
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handle them,
run them, if you will.
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♪
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The unique thing
about Alec Station was
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the fusion
of analysis and operations.
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We pushed the analysts
and the operations people
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together, so the operations
people knew everything
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the analysts were thinking
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and the analysts knew
everything
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the operations people
were doing.
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Covertly, clandestinely,
secretly, dangerously.
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And the fusion
of those two things gave
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that organization
the magic it had.
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STORER: The people I worked
with in the beginning were
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six women.
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I walked
in my first day there.
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I turned around
to my colleagues--
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this is a bay
of six analysts--
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and I said, "Does
anybody have any Tums?"
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And all these drawers
open
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with these gigantic
bottles!
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I thought,
"Oh, my God.
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What have I done
to myself?" Ha ha!
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When I moved over, there was
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a group of women
that I reached out to.
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We were trying to protect
the United States.
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Whether we could do that,
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it's a big...it's a big
burden.
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I was drawn to those women
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because of the job
that they were doing.
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I mean, substantively they
were so immersed in finding
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bin Laden and tracking,
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and some of them had been
around working
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this subject matter
for so long
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that they were
the people I went to.
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It wasn't even
because they were women.
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Gina Bennett was a mentor
of mine and still is.
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She worked on al-Qaeda
for 20 years.
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Gina and Barbara, they put
a stake in the ground
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and said, "It's OK if we're
not operations officers.
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We can be
just as effective."
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BARBARA SUDE:
The rest of the organization
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didn't necessarily think
much of terrorism analysts.
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They said, "Well, the terrorism
people are just tracking
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"things. That's not--
real analysis.
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That's just tracking
things."
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So we poor, lowly
terrorism analysts,
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we were tracking things.
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You're gonna have certain
kinds of people who are
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going to be the first
ones to see something.
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When you're
the first one
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off the block,
by definition
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you're going to be
in the minority.
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That's what we were.
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NADA BAKOS: She was
very dedicated to her job.
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She was there a lot.
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STORER: You know, Jennifer
was one of that first group,
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and she was always very
intense, very focused,
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really passionate about
it from the beginning
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and a real hard-charger
from the beginning.
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Jennifer was focused
on finding bin Laden.
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She was adamant that she was
gonna stay around
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on that team
until it was done.
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♪
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She could be
really abrasive.
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[Laughs]
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Yeah, but, you know,
teams are made up
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of people with all different
kinds of personalities.
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And at the end of the day,
that doesn't really matter.
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What matters is getting
the job done.
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And she certainly
could do that.
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We had a camaraderie.
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And in the beginning, we
were such a small organization
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that we really had
a very close relationship.
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♪
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[Birds chirping]
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BAKOS:
On the operations side,
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this is where
all the spies work.
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STORER: Which are the ones
you always see in the movies
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running around
recruiting assets
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and playing James Bond
or whatever.
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It is dangerous.
It is dangerous.
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These guys need confidence
to be able to pull that off.
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BAKOS: There is
a fair amount of bravado.
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You know, we're
case officers, right?
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We're the jet fighters,
we're the gangsters,
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we're the doers.
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You know, analysts?
Come on, man.
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I think a component
of the personality
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in some cases for the job.
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There's varying degrees
of that.
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MAN, VOICE-OVER: I was out
in the bush, in that arena,
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downrange,
regardless of environment.
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Often times,
you see in the movies--
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you talk about agents.
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You know, he's a CIA agent.
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Well, the agents are
the people we recruit.
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"Hi. I'm CIA. I'm
assigned to this embassy.
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Would you like to be a spy?"
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That's why it
doesn't work that way.
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MARTY MARTIN:
A case officer's job is to spot,
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assess, and develop...
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♪
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find people who have
access to secrets,
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get to know them,
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get them to trust you,
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recruit them,
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and then keep them safe.
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In my particular experience,
because I do speak Arabic...
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[Marty Martin speaking
foreign language]
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I have been asked to meet
some of our friends
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in risky areas,
dangerous areas.
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Obviously, you need
to get to the point
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of building trust.
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They look in your face,
and they see an American
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who has risked a lot
to get there
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to sit down and meet
with them.
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They do believe, honestly,
that you care
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for their welfare,
you care for them,
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and you respect what
they're providing you with.
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You're playing
this chess game.
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[Osama bin Laden
dialogue continues]
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MAN, VOICE-OVER:
He was recruiting
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basically very idealistic
Saudi university students
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to come to fight
the Soviets.
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Then some of them
went to Afghanistan,
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including
bin Laden himself.
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♪
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It's intensely religious.
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I mean, coming here was
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an intensely religious
experience
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for these very idealistic
young Muslim men.
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And, you know, these
magazines have many stories
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about people being martyred
fighting the Soviets
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and their bodies
don't decompose
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or their bodies
smell of perfume.
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And this was a highly
effective propaganda to get
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other people
to come and volunteer.
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[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language continues]
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PETER BERGEN: This
magazine called "Jihad"
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was on sale in countries
around the Islamic world.
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The very first copy
was published in 1984.
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There's a guy called
Abu Abdullah
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in these magazines,
and that was bin Laden.
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No one really knew who
bin Laden was at the time.
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[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language]
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STORER: So during
the Afghan-Soviet war,
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the camps were set up
by bin Laden and others
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to train Afghans
and people from--
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who came
from all over the world
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to go and fight
against the Soviets.
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♪
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Towards the end of the war,
some of these camps
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got converted over
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into urban guerilla
warfare camps.
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And this is as,
what we now know
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was al-Qaeda, were taking
over some of these camps,
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and they were starting
to train people
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to conduct
urban guerilla warfare
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in various countries,
like Egypt and Algeria.
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♪
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One of the prominent figures
in the training camps
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in Afghanistan is
a gentleman who went
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by the war name
of Abu Zubaydah.
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He was definitely running
parts of the camps network.
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♪
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So now it's after the war
in the early nineties.
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We started to get
all these reports
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about things blowing up
all over the world,
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who were from people who
had fought in Afghanistan.
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So that's when we started
to say to ourselves,
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What is going on here?
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Let's try to figure out,
Is there some kind of
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an organization?
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Is it a social movement?
What is it?
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And we're starting
to warn,
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"Look this is going
to be a problem."
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And we actually issued
some of that warning
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before the first
World Trade Center bombing.
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[Sirens]
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[Vehicle horns honking]
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Ramzi Yousef, I'm sure,
everybody knows
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from the first
World Trade Center attack.
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He is the cousin/nephew
of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
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and the attack
was partly funded
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by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
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[Helicopter]
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The same year there is
the incident referred to
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as the Black Hawk Down
incident.
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[Gunfire in distance]
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We didn't learn until later
the extent to which
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al-Qaeda at least
was involved.
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[People chanting
in foreign language]
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STORER: These plots
are multiple nationalities.
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This is not your
typical events, right?
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We can't pin this on
any one terrorist group.
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What's going on here?
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Oh, I mean, it was
bin Laden.
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There was no doubt that
the common purpose had to be
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bin Laden.
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All of a sudden,
it just hit me
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that this is
a bureaucracy.
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[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language]
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STORER: So by 1998, we were
able to say with confidence
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this is a worldwide
terrorist organization.
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Bin Laden is the head
of this organization.
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Their goal is global jihad.
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They want to create
a global Islamic government.
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It's not
just about Saudi Arabia.
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There was still some
debate what it was called
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because some said it
was called the Islamic Army.
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It was
my analytical judgment
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that it was called
al-Qaeda.
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♪
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BERGEN: At that time
in '97, Osama bin Laden
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had declared war
on the United States
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in an Arab language
newspaper,
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and no one paid
any attention.
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You know, the case that I
made to them was, you know,
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if you're going to declare
war on the United States,
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don't do it on the BBC.
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Do it
on an American network.
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And CNN is seen
all around the world.
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And also we have
a reputation for being fair.
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00:24:01,709 --> 00:24:03,125
It was a lengthy process.
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00:24:03,209 --> 00:24:05,375
They were very concerned.
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00:24:05,459 --> 00:24:06,709
"Are you agents of the CIA?"
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00:24:06,792 --> 00:24:08,709
"Will you give
Osama bin Laden a fair shake
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00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:10,584
if we allow you to do
this interview?"
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00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:14,417
Eventually after a month
or so, we got the sort of
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coded message that we're
gonna go and see bin Laden.
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♪
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BERGEN: They picked
us up at dusk
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in a van sort
of like this, right?
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00:24:37,626 --> 00:24:39,876
Yeah, very similar
to this. Yeah.
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But in the evening. Yeah.
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00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:42,751
Yeah, in
the evening. Yeah.
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00:24:44,083 --> 00:24:45,792
And then they gave
us the sunglasses
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that had cardboard
inside them.
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00:24:47,751 --> 00:24:49,417
Right. And sort of
crude blindfolds.
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00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,626
That's right.
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00:24:50,709 --> 00:24:52,209
Did they put those on--
immediately on us?
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00:24:52,292 --> 00:24:53,334
Yep, they did.
Right.
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00:24:53,417 --> 00:24:55,751
[Vehicle horn honks]
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PETER JOUVENAL:
The interesting thing is
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that when you go
to Kabul,
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you go through
these tunnels.
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So the fact that we
were blindfolded,
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00:25:05,667 --> 00:25:07,000
you could hear--
feel the change
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in air pressure
and actually hear
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the difference in sound
in the tunnel.
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00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:16,709
So you had something
of a good idea
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of where we were
heading?
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Yeah, yep.
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And on the other
side of this,
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this is where
al-Qaeda had its
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chemical weapons,
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crude chemical
weapons facility.
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Straight down.
Yeah.
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BERGEN:
So we got to--sort of
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this plateau, right?
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I think it was about
6,000 feet up maybe
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or something like that.
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00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:40,292
Something
like that, yeah.
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And there was
a small village,
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the type that would be
used by shepherds
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to put their sheep
in at night.
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00:25:45,209 --> 00:25:46,626
Yeah.
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BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: Peter
Arnett was a correspondent.
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00:25:49,792 --> 00:25:53,626
He was at the time
arguably the most famous
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00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:55,667
journalist in the world.
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JOUVENAL, VOICE-OVER:
They put carpets down,
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so they made it
respectable.
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And then, as I recall,
we waited
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for some period of time
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and had some sort of
goat-like dinner.
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00:26:06,417 --> 00:26:07,542
That's right, yeah...
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BERGEN: This is, like,
the hostage video.
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00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,167
Yeah, the hostage video.
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BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: Do you
recall when he came in?
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JOUVENAL, VOICE-OVER:
Yep.
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BERGEN: And he shook
your hand, right?
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00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:21,709
Yep. Yep.
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00:26:21,792 --> 00:26:23,292
Do you remember
what that felt like?
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It was sort of
like a dead fish.
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I mean, it wasn't
a strong grasp.
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Cold, a bit like...
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[unintelligible].
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I compare it sometimes
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to a bank manager's
shake, you know?
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00:26:32,334 --> 00:26:33,667
[Laughs]
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PETER ARNETT: Thank you,
Mr. bin Laden.
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TRANSLATOR: Is there
anything you'd like to add?
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00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:43,167
Hmm?
473
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:44,834
Anything you'd like
to add?
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00:26:44,918 --> 00:26:46,250
We should
change the tape.
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PETER ARNETT: I think
we'll just relax a minute,
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00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:50,167
I think.
BERGEN: OK, fine.
477
00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:51,584
Just relax now.
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PETER ARNETT:
Just get my knees.
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I'm not used to this.
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00:26:57,584 --> 00:26:59,125
[Chuckles]
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MAN: Not quite
finished. The feed...
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Well, Mr. bin Laden's
voice is in good...
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00:27:04,709 --> 00:27:05,792
Good condition.
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00:27:05,876 --> 00:27:06,918
Good condition.
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00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,167
It got better as you got...
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Hot.
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00:27:10,459 --> 00:27:13,792
more into the subject,
as you talked about it.
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00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:16,792
[Speaking foreign language]
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BERGEN, VOICE-OVER:
I did think that this was
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an amazing interview. Yeah.
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He declared
war on the United States
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for the first time to
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an English-speaking
audience.
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BERGEN, VOICE-OVER:
We asked him why.
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00:28:24,918 --> 00:28:26,542
You know, he basically
gave a laundry list
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of complaints about
American foreign policy
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00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,459
in the Muslim world.
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00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,292
BERGEN, VOICE-OVER:
We asked him to clarify,
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Did that mean a war
against American soldiers
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or American civilians?
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00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:46,918
BERGEN, VOICE-OVER: He sort
of said American soldiers
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were the primary target.
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00:28:48,292 --> 00:28:49,542
If American civilians
got in the way,
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00:28:49,626 --> 00:28:50,876
that was their problem.
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BERGEN, VOICE-OVER:
He said that in his mind,
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the United States
was as weak
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as the former Soviet Union.
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00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:13,417
BERGEN, VOICE-OVER:
And eventually
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00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:14,959
the United States,
if it was subjected
510
00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:17,667
to enough violent pressure,
would pull out
511
00:29:17,751 --> 00:29:19,125
of the Middle East,
512
00:29:19,209 --> 00:29:21,000
and basically
he would get his wish.
513
00:29:23,209 --> 00:29:25,751
PETER ARNETT: What
are your future plans?
514
00:29:29,334 --> 00:29:31,918
[Translator speaking
foreign language]
515
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,292
Can we get a couple
of still pictures now?
516
00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:45,834
Some photographs?
517
00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:49,125
[Camera shutter clicking]
518
00:29:49,209 --> 00:29:50,918
BERGEN: The impact
of the interview at the time
519
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,209
was, I would say,
pretty muted.
520
00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:56,000
You know, it didn't get
a lot of play,
521
00:29:56,083 --> 00:29:57,167
because at the time,
of course,
522
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:58,959
he hadn't really done
anything.
523
00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:01,584
Imagine if in 1937
524
00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:06,209
the Japanese army had gone
on NBC or RKO to say,
525
00:30:06,292 --> 00:30:07,500
"Hey, we are planning
526
00:30:07,584 --> 00:30:09,042
to attack
the United States."
527
00:30:09,125 --> 00:30:10,542
You know, Pearl Harbor
might have turned out
differently.
528
00:30:10,626 --> 00:30:12,000
These guys repeatedly
said publicly,
529
00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:13,375
"We are planning
to attack
530
00:30:13,459 --> 00:30:14,500
the United States,"
531
00:30:14,584 --> 00:30:16,250
and no one paid
any attention.
532
00:30:16,334 --> 00:30:17,834
[Wind]
533
00:30:17,918 --> 00:30:24,834
♪
534
00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:47,834
[Speaking foreign language]
535
00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:52,000
[Different man speaking
foreign language]
536
00:30:58,459 --> 00:31:05,375
♪
537
00:31:22,876 --> 00:31:27,792
SUDE: I always watched
their latest statements.
538
00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:29,459
Their choices
of what they're gonna say
539
00:31:29,542 --> 00:31:31,959
are very important.
540
00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:34,500
Oh, yeah they were cagey at
first about claiming credit
541
00:31:34,584 --> 00:31:35,918
for anything.
542
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,292
They didn't
want to claim credit.
543
00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:42,667
Then later on, they become
more willing to take credit,
544
00:31:42,751 --> 00:31:45,167
in fact demanding credit
for it.
545
00:31:53,667 --> 00:31:56,292
♪
546
00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:57,584
[Gunfire]
547
00:31:57,667 --> 00:32:00,042
HASLER: You know, it's all
this stuff hitting you,
548
00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:02,751
all these horrible
images hitting you.
549
00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:04,751
It's just this rapid fire,
550
00:32:04,834 --> 00:32:10,500
horribly evil music video/
horror film, slash...
551
00:32:10,584 --> 00:32:12,834
[Men speaking foreign
language, gunfire]
552
00:32:15,334 --> 00:32:16,626
♪
553
00:32:16,709 --> 00:32:20,209
STORER: Al-Qaeda is
a global organization
554
00:32:20,292 --> 00:32:22,584
made up of people
from over 60 countries
555
00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:25,292
who speak 60 different
languages.
556
00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:28,792
So they really have to
communicate in the clear
557
00:32:28,876 --> 00:32:30,626
through
these statements.
558
00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:32,584
And they're also under
a religious obligation
559
00:32:32,667 --> 00:32:33,918
to warn their enemy.
560
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,459
So for all of those reasons,
it made complete sense
561
00:32:37,542 --> 00:32:40,083
that they meant
what they said.
562
00:32:56,959 --> 00:33:00,042
♪
563
00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:02,125
SUDE: They're planning
something.
564
00:33:02,209 --> 00:33:04,375
But where? When? What?
565
00:33:04,459 --> 00:33:06,459
Is it going to be
an armed assault?
566
00:33:06,542 --> 00:33:08,667
Is it going
to be a hijacking?
567
00:33:08,751 --> 00:33:11,834
Is it going to be
an assassination?
568
00:33:11,918 --> 00:33:17,209
A bomb? You know, where?
569
00:33:17,292 --> 00:33:19,667
There were no real answers.
570
00:33:19,751 --> 00:33:23,459
♪
571
00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:24,876
McLAUGHLIN: The CIA
did very good warning
572
00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:27,083
in that period of time.
573
00:33:27,167 --> 00:33:29,125
There are dozens
and dozens of reports
574
00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:30,584
in which we express the view
575
00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:34,834
that bin Laden is intending
to attack the United States.
576
00:33:36,334 --> 00:33:38,918
We would have weekly
or biweekly meetings
577
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,417
sometimes on exactly
578
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:41,918
what was going on.
579
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,292
It's so frustrating
580
00:33:44,375 --> 00:33:46,459
when you can't figure
out date and time.
581
00:33:46,542 --> 00:33:49,375
McLAUGHLIN: There's always
a large band of uncertainty,
582
00:33:49,459 --> 00:33:51,417
and that's fertile ground
583
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:52,918
for argument.
584
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,042
STORER: And if you warn
about every little thing,
585
00:33:55,125 --> 00:33:56,292
then you're crying wolf
586
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:58,000
and nobody pays
attention to you at all.
587
00:33:58,083 --> 00:34:01,250
SUDE: Middle East,
South Asia, Europe,
588
00:34:01,334 --> 00:34:03,000
United States. Where?
589
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,792
You just don't know.
590
00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:07,584
MCLAUGHLIN: We did not
at this time
591
00:34:07,667 --> 00:34:08,959
and in this report have
592
00:34:09,042 --> 00:34:10,918
what I would call
"actionable intelligence."
593
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,751
"I want to know when,
I want to know where,
594
00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:14,083
I want to know who."
595
00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:16,292
McLAUGHLIN: We could not
determine time,
596
00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:17,626
target, and method.
597
00:34:17,709 --> 00:34:19,417
STORER: You know, I really
wish I could tell you
598
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:20,792
when and where.
599
00:34:20,876 --> 00:34:24,792
But it's not that easy with
a clandestine organization.
600
00:34:24,876 --> 00:34:26,834
"Well, if you just had
more human assets and you
601
00:34:26,918 --> 00:34:28,751
"did less analysis,
then we would know
602
00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:30,083
all these things."
603
00:34:30,167 --> 00:34:31,417
Well, that isn't true.
604
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,250
You can say we're pretty
sure it's gonna happen,
605
00:34:34,334 --> 00:34:38,584
but we can't make
that decision to say,
606
00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:40,918
you should do or not do.
607
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,667
We can say that
our bottom line is,
608
00:34:44,751 --> 00:34:47,167
"It looks pretty dangerous."
609
00:34:56,042 --> 00:34:57,250
The headline says,
610
00:34:57,334 --> 00:35:00,542
"Bin Laden Determined
to Strike In U.S."
611
00:35:00,626 --> 00:35:02,209
There were just warning
after warning after warning
612
00:35:02,292 --> 00:35:03,500
all spring.
613
00:35:03,584 --> 00:35:06,500
Well, you know with
the benefit of hindsight...
614
00:35:06,584 --> 00:35:08,626
We knew something
huge was gonna happen.
615
00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:10,792
it would seem that this was
616
00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,042
a perfect warning
617
00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:15,834
in August of 2001
618
00:35:15,918 --> 00:35:18,125
that the United States
was about to be attacked.
619
00:35:18,209 --> 00:35:20,834
Everybody was
completely tense.
620
00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:22,667
McLAUGHLIN: Why didn't we
do something about this?
621
00:35:22,751 --> 00:35:26,751
The language being used
by these guys was like,
622
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,375
"Oh, my God.
What are they gonna do?"
623
00:35:32,584 --> 00:35:36,292
[Man speaking
foreign language]
624
00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:43,292
♪
625
00:35:51,459 --> 00:35:53,542
[Different men speaking
foreign language]
626
00:36:46,918 --> 00:36:54,000
♪
627
00:37:15,083 --> 00:37:22,000
♪
628
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:25,751
On the morning of 9/11,
629
00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,375
I was sitting
in my office.
630
00:37:27,459 --> 00:37:29,667
My office was here.
631
00:37:29,751 --> 00:37:32,584
The office of the group
chief was right next to it.
632
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:35,083
And I had my door open,
and I looked,
633
00:37:35,167 --> 00:37:36,459
and there was an analyst
634
00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:39,334
running through the row
between the cubicles.
635
00:37:39,417 --> 00:37:42,792
And it was one
of the older analysts.
636
00:37:42,876 --> 00:37:45,125
And you don't see
older analysts running.
637
00:37:45,209 --> 00:37:47,542
I was in Jordan.
638
00:37:47,626 --> 00:37:49,000
I was at the CIA.
639
00:37:49,083 --> 00:37:51,292
9/11, I was in my office at NSA.
640
00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:53,500
I was at the Executive Office
Building of the White House.
641
00:37:53,584 --> 00:37:56,626
I was in the Pentagon
when it got hit.
642
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,834
The first breaking news
was coming in.
643
00:37:59,918 --> 00:38:01,792
Somebody has it
on RealPlayer
644
00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:03,375
on their--at their desk.
645
00:38:03,459 --> 00:38:04,959
The report was saying
there was a small aircraft
646
00:38:05,042 --> 00:38:06,417
that apparently had hit.
647
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,459
STORER: Right then, second
plane into the second tower,
648
00:38:09,542 --> 00:38:11,626
and I knew.
649
00:38:11,709 --> 00:38:14,167
There was no doubt in
that office at that moment
650
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:15,918
that this is what we were
waiting for.
651
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,292
This is it.
652
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:19,667
That's the words that went
through everybody's mind.
653
00:38:19,751 --> 00:38:21,375
This is it.
This is bin Laden.
654
00:38:21,459 --> 00:38:23,375
"It's an attack,
it's terrorism,
655
00:38:23,459 --> 00:38:24,959
and it's al-Qaeda."
656
00:38:25,042 --> 00:38:26,209
I knew who they were.
657
00:38:26,292 --> 00:38:27,626
I knew what
their intentions were.
658
00:38:27,709 --> 00:38:30,000
This is it.
They pulled this thing off.
659
00:38:30,083 --> 00:38:31,751
We're going
to battle stations.
660
00:38:31,834 --> 00:38:34,459
And we were all evacuated
after that second plane
661
00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:36,876
went in because we thought
the next one--that is,
662
00:38:36,959 --> 00:38:39,000
the Shanksville plane--
might be headed for us.
663
00:38:39,083 --> 00:38:40,334
It was complete chaos.
664
00:38:40,417 --> 00:38:44,042
The plane flew in
under my office.
665
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:48,042
My two assistants looked out
the window and saw a 757
666
00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:49,751
fly in under their feet.
667
00:38:49,834 --> 00:38:51,250
The order then went out
668
00:38:51,334 --> 00:38:56,167
for the building
to be evacuated, except
669
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:57,709
for the counterterrorism
analysts.
670
00:38:57,792 --> 00:39:00,375
We essentially decamped
from the high-rises
671
00:39:00,459 --> 00:39:01,918
and moved on into
the operations center.
672
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,959
I said, "Look, chief says
we can't go, but, you know,
673
00:39:08,042 --> 00:39:10,417
if you want to leave,
I'll cover for you."
674
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,000
And not one
of those people left.
675
00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:26,542
MARTIN, VOICE-OVER:
19 guys.
676
00:39:26,626 --> 00:39:29,209
Look at their faces
and think
677
00:39:29,292 --> 00:39:33,459
about the tragic,
terrible, consequences.
678
00:39:34,834 --> 00:39:39,459
19. Only 19.
679
00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:41,292
19 representing thousands
680
00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:44,250
who went through training
camps in Afghanistan.
681
00:39:44,334 --> 00:39:47,334
19 representing all those
who were sponsored
682
00:39:47,417 --> 00:39:52,792
and trained and blessed
these young men on that day.
683
00:39:52,876 --> 00:39:59,792
♪
684
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,250
This is where
it gets hard to talk.
685
00:40:06,334 --> 00:40:08,584
[Chuckles nervously]
686
00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:10,417
I have to say the worst
moment in my life
687
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:11,792
happened
in about November
688
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:13,542
because right
after the bombing,
689
00:40:13,626 --> 00:40:16,542
you're just so busy.
690
00:40:16,626 --> 00:40:19,083
And everybody, you know--
cry at home; come to work;
691
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,584
be professional;
do your job;
692
00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:22,083
go home; cry at home;
come to work;
693
00:40:22,167 --> 00:40:23,375
be professional;
and do your job.
694
00:40:23,459 --> 00:40:25,500
And people were very
focused, running around,
695
00:40:25,584 --> 00:40:27,042
getting the job done.
696
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,834
On about November,
things started
697
00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:30,459
to slow down
a little bit,
698
00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:32,000
and the guilt sets in.
699
00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:33,542
And that is
just the worst.
700
00:40:33,626 --> 00:40:35,417
I'm sorry.
I'm gonna cry now.
701
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,167
Um...
702
00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:41,125
feeling like you wish you
could have done something,
703
00:40:41,209 --> 00:40:42,959
but especially
when all the criticism
704
00:40:43,042 --> 00:40:44,459
starts to come in.
705
00:40:44,542 --> 00:40:46,000
People would say things
in Congress like,
706
00:40:46,083 --> 00:40:47,584
"You were negligent."
707
00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:48,959
I was like, "Really?
708
00:40:49,042 --> 00:40:50,918
"What did you know about
bin Laden before 2001?
709
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,292
"Nothing! You didn't
help us at all.
710
00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:56,417
And now you're blaming
us for having tried--"
711
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,292
MAN, VOICE-OVER: This is not
a matter of scapegoating.
712
00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:01,334
This is a matter
of accountability.
713
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:02,751
There has been...
714
00:41:02,834 --> 00:41:04,042
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
What does the term
715
00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:06,417
"accountability"
mean to you?
716
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:08,042
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
Prior to September 11th,
717
00:41:08,125 --> 00:41:09,500
U.S. intelligence officials
718
00:41:09,584 --> 00:41:11,584
possessed
terrorist information
719
00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:15,292
that, if properly handled,
could have disrupted
720
00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:17,209
or possibly prevented
the terrorist attacks.
721
00:41:17,292 --> 00:41:18,417
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
It seems
722
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,042
from your testimony...
723
00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:21,542
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
That information was
724
00:41:21,626 --> 00:41:23,125
not distributed to the FBI.
725
00:41:23,209 --> 00:41:24,709
[Overlapping men speaking
in voice-overs]
726
00:41:24,792 --> 00:41:28,042
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
...The CIA analysts
727
00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:29,667
and FBI officials in
the New York field office...
728
00:41:29,751 --> 00:41:31,751
DIFFERENT MAN, VOICE-OVER:
Has anyone in the CIA
729
00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:34,667
been held accountable
for the failures
730
00:41:34,751 --> 00:41:35,959
of September 11th
731
00:41:36,042 --> 00:41:38,459
or the events
leading up to it?
732
00:41:38,542 --> 00:41:45,542
♪
733
00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:55,876
STORER: Jennifer called me
not long after 9/11,
734
00:41:55,959 --> 00:41:57,751
screaming at me
on the phone.
735
00:41:57,834 --> 00:41:59,042
And we were just in--
we were,
736
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:00,500
a two-second walk
from each other
737
00:42:00,584 --> 00:42:01,751
in different vaults.
738
00:42:01,834 --> 00:42:02,918
But, "You did this.
This is your fault.
739
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,292
You didn't report
on..." so-and-so.
740
00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:05,667
Blah-blah-blah-blah-
blah-blah-blah...
741
00:42:05,751 --> 00:42:07,042
And I screamed
back at her
742
00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:08,375
and slammed
the phone down.
743
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:09,751
And at the time,
I was really angry,
744
00:42:09,834 --> 00:42:12,375
and I actually really
never spoke to her again.
745
00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:13,626
But looking back on it,
746
00:42:13,709 --> 00:42:15,334
I think it's just--
it was just
747
00:42:15,417 --> 00:42:17,417
a manifestation
of her passion
748
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,000
and her sense of--
her own sense of guilt.
749
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,292
I mean,
everybody felt it.
750
00:42:37,626 --> 00:42:39,667
[Child speaking
foreign language]
751
00:42:49,209 --> 00:42:53,334
MAN, VOICE-OVER: We were
told to evacuate Yemen.
752
00:42:53,417 --> 00:42:56,459
The entire team
already boarded the plane,
753
00:42:56,542 --> 00:43:00,125
and I was asked
754
00:43:00,209 --> 00:43:02,250
that I will stay,
I should stay
755
00:43:02,334 --> 00:43:03,876
and to talk to
an individual named
756
00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:07,083
Nasser al-Bahri--
Abu Jandal.
757
00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:13,500
♪
758
00:43:13,584 --> 00:43:17,500
We showed him
a photo book
759
00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:19,250
that has a lot
of photos in it.
760
00:43:20,626 --> 00:43:22,292
He identified bin Laden,
761
00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:24,125
he identified
Ayman Zawahiri...
762
00:43:24,209 --> 00:43:26,292
He identified
the usual suspects
763
00:43:26,375 --> 00:43:28,459
that there is no way
he would never know.
764
00:43:28,542 --> 00:43:30,918
But he didn't
identify anyone
765
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,918
from the, you know,
second tier.
766
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,209
No one.
767
00:43:35,292 --> 00:43:37,626
And then he closed
the book.
768
00:43:37,709 --> 00:43:39,500
"I don't have
anything else.
769
00:43:39,584 --> 00:43:40,876
Don't know anyone."
770
00:43:40,959 --> 00:43:43,375
So I ask him, "Please.
Can you look at it again?"
771
00:43:43,459 --> 00:43:46,292
But I just said,
"Please. You know,
772
00:43:46,375 --> 00:43:47,417
come on.
Look at it again."
773
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,167
He was annoyed.
774
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:51,667
He said, "I just did.
There is nothing..."
775
00:43:51,751 --> 00:43:53,542
"For friendship's sake,
you know?
776
00:43:53,626 --> 00:43:55,542
We're now friends..."
777
00:43:55,626 --> 00:43:58,584
So he did. Same thing.
778
00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:01,542
So I laughed.
I went like...
779
00:44:01,626 --> 00:44:02,542
[Laughs]
780
00:44:02,626 --> 00:44:04,834
To Bob, I said,
"See? I told you."
781
00:44:04,918 --> 00:44:06,292
"What's goin' on?
What did you tell me?"
782
00:44:06,375 --> 00:44:08,459
"Well, I told Bob--
my friend--I told him
783
00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:12,334
"here--I said that
you're basically faking.
784
00:44:12,417 --> 00:44:14,167
"You're not
cooperating at all.
785
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:15,834
And I think
I won the bet."
786
00:44:15,918 --> 00:44:17,959
"What are you talking
about? I'm cooperating."
787
00:44:18,042 --> 00:44:20,375
"Come on. Really?
You're cooperating?
788
00:44:20,459 --> 00:44:21,626
"Do you think
I just flew
789
00:44:21,709 --> 00:44:23,792
"all the way from D.C.
to talk to you
790
00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:25,459
"about this kind of
like small talk
791
00:44:25,542 --> 00:44:26,834
"and I don't know
who you are?
792
00:44:26,918 --> 00:44:29,000
I don't know
what you know?"
793
00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:31,542
"This guy,
for example...
794
00:44:31,626 --> 00:44:33,500
"He was in your
guesthouse in 1999.
795
00:44:33,584 --> 00:44:35,751
"He was sick. You were
taking care of him,
796
00:44:35,834 --> 00:44:37,167
"putting soup
on his lips
797
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:41,417
"and you claim you have
no idea who this guy is?
798
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,083
I know a lot about
your organization."
799
00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:47,292
"Maybe some of these
people in the book are
800
00:44:47,375 --> 00:44:48,584
in my custody."
801
00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,626
"Maybe some of
the people in the book
802
00:44:50,709 --> 00:44:52,709
"are friend of mine's.
803
00:44:52,792 --> 00:44:54,709
"Maybe they are
my sources.
804
00:44:54,792 --> 00:44:57,500
"Every time I ask
you a question,
805
00:44:57,584 --> 00:45:00,417
"most probably
I know the answer for.
806
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,876
"And that's how I gauge
807
00:45:01,959 --> 00:45:04,375
"if you're cooperating
or not.
808
00:45:04,459 --> 00:45:07,918
So do you want to start
from the beginning?"
809
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,792
He said, yes.
810
00:45:09,876 --> 00:45:11,876
So we showed him
the book again.
811
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,792
He identified almost
everyone in the book
812
00:45:13,876 --> 00:45:15,292
that we know--
we'd assembled--
813
00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:17,125
from the East Africa
Embassy bombing,
814
00:45:17,209 --> 00:45:19,292
from the "USS Cole,"
815
00:45:19,375 --> 00:45:21,584
to include eight
of the hijackers.
816
00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,417
And he still insisted
that bin Laden
817
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,626
would never do anything
like this.
818
00:45:24,709 --> 00:45:26,125
And I insisted
that he did.
819
00:45:26,209 --> 00:45:27,459
And I said, "No,
bin Laden did it."
820
00:45:27,542 --> 00:45:28,834
And he said,
"Oh, bin Laden did it?
821
00:45:28,918 --> 00:45:29,918
Who told you?"
822
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,667
"You did."
823
00:45:31,751 --> 00:45:33,876
And he was mad.
He was furious,
824
00:45:33,959 --> 00:45:35,000
because he thought
825
00:45:35,083 --> 00:45:36,375
I was putting words
in his mouth.
826
00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:38,125
I said, "No, you
told me that al-Qaeda
827
00:45:38,209 --> 00:45:40,167
was behind it,
definitely."
828
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:42,459
And I took a manila
envelope that I had,
829
00:45:42,542 --> 00:45:45,918
and I put the photos
that he identified
830
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,751
the seven hijackers--
or the eight hijackers--
831
00:45:48,834 --> 00:45:50,125
I put them all
in front of him.
832
00:45:50,209 --> 00:45:51,584
I said, "Do you want to
know who the hijackers?
833
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:53,375
Those are
the hijackers."
834
00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:56,000
♪
835
00:45:56,083 --> 00:45:59,417
"You told me they
were Qaeda members.
836
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,042
You told me that."
837
00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:03,334
He was in total shock.
838
00:46:03,417 --> 00:46:05,000
He put his hand
like this,
839
00:46:05,083 --> 00:46:06,709
and he starts shaking,
840
00:46:06,792 --> 00:46:09,292
and he asked for,
you know, five minutes.
841
00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:11,042
We gave him five
minutes, came back.
842
00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:12,375
I said, "So what do
you think now?"
843
00:46:12,459 --> 00:46:15,000
And he said, "I think
the Sheikh went crazy.
844
00:46:15,083 --> 00:46:16,626
What do you want?"
845
00:46:16,709 --> 00:46:19,125
[Wind]
846
00:46:22,334 --> 00:46:25,375
[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language]
847
00:46:46,209 --> 00:46:51,918
♪
848
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,709
MARTIN: A small group of
people--many of them women--
849
00:46:54,792 --> 00:46:56,542
were blamed.
850
00:46:56,626 --> 00:46:58,125
They were blamed.
851
00:46:58,209 --> 00:47:00,667
"They failed to connect
the dots!"
852
00:47:00,751 --> 00:47:02,042
"Connect the dots."
853
00:47:02,125 --> 00:47:03,167
If I hear that...
854
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:05,667
The Washington machine
turned on them
855
00:47:05,751 --> 00:47:07,167
and said, "It's your fault."
856
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:08,792
"Sit and do a line diagram,
where you failed
857
00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:10,167
to connect the dots..."
858
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:11,500
The dots were there,
859
00:47:11,584 --> 00:47:13,834
It's us who decided to--
we need to erase the dots.
860
00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:16,334
Hello! They're coming at us!
861
00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:19,751
That was--
those were late nights.
862
00:47:19,834 --> 00:47:21,125
You go home, you're driving,
863
00:47:21,209 --> 00:47:23,959
you roll over what
operations are going on,
864
00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:25,918
what threats you
believe are genuine.
865
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,459
You're thinking about your
friends and colleagues
866
00:47:27,542 --> 00:47:28,751
downrange.
867
00:47:28,834 --> 00:47:30,792
Sometimes you're thinking
about some talking head
868
00:47:30,876 --> 00:47:33,751
who launched a bunch
of empty bullets,
869
00:47:33,834 --> 00:47:38,667
you know, of blame trying
to get their face on the TV
870
00:47:38,751 --> 00:47:40,667
and not understanding
the sincerity
871
00:47:40,751 --> 00:47:42,417
of the people involved.
872
00:47:44,042 --> 00:47:46,292
That would cause me
grief the next day
873
00:47:46,375 --> 00:47:48,167
because I knew I was
gonna have to go in
874
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:50,250
and tell people,
"Listen, they don't
875
00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,042
"understand what you do.
876
00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:54,042
"Don't you know that?
877
00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:55,584
Now, let's get it on."
878
00:47:55,667 --> 00:48:00,876
♪
879
00:48:00,959 --> 00:48:04,125
McLAUGHLIN: Something that
people don't fully grasp is
880
00:48:04,209 --> 00:48:07,083
how alone the CIA felt
in this period of time.
881
00:48:09,959 --> 00:48:12,792
Just by virtue of
the evolution of events
882
00:48:12,876 --> 00:48:15,459
in history, we ended up
at this moment in time
883
00:48:15,542 --> 00:48:16,918
with kind of
unique knowledge
884
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,042
about this phenomenon,
al-Qaeda.
885
00:48:20,125 --> 00:48:23,000
I think the feeling
all of us had was,
886
00:48:23,083 --> 00:48:25,292
This is on our shoulders
to prevent this
887
00:48:25,375 --> 00:48:27,375
from ever happening again.
888
00:48:28,834 --> 00:48:31,834
The day of 9/11,
the President pulled us
889
00:48:31,918 --> 00:48:35,667
together and said, "I want
to see a war plan here."
890
00:48:35,751 --> 00:48:39,584
Well, we had been working
on this for a long time.
891
00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,250
We were ready to go.
892
00:48:42,334 --> 00:48:49,250
♪
893
00:49:10,626 --> 00:49:12,500
MAN: The challenge
when you look at al-Qaeda
894
00:49:12,584 --> 00:49:14,876
after 9/11 was
to understand it well enough
895
00:49:14,959 --> 00:49:16,626
first to disrupt it
and then dismantle it.
896
00:49:16,709 --> 00:49:19,209
We're not in the business
of disruption alone,
897
00:49:19,292 --> 00:49:20,959
because if you disrupt
an organization,
898
00:49:21,042 --> 00:49:22,542
the adversary's so committed.
899
00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:23,959
I mean, they believe
900
00:49:24,042 --> 00:49:25,792
that what they do is
inspired by a holy book,
901
00:49:25,876 --> 00:49:28,334
that they'll just go on
and plot another attack.
902
00:49:28,417 --> 00:49:29,876
So the business really
became dismantlement:
903
00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:31,125
How do we destroy it?
904
00:49:31,209 --> 00:49:33,042
And that's
a people business.
905
00:49:33,125 --> 00:49:36,751
[Overlapping conversations
in foreign language]
906
00:49:36,834 --> 00:49:38,918
PHIL MUDD: How do you find
the operators, financiers,
907
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,792
trainers, et cetera?
908
00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:42,542
And how can you know where
they're gonna be tomorrow
909
00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:43,918
so you can pick them up?
910
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,709
[Conversations in
foreign language continue]
911
00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:49,792
The explosion
of intelligence at CIA
912
00:49:49,876 --> 00:49:52,209
after 9/11 is
hard to imagine.
913
00:49:52,292 --> 00:49:54,292
You have a small group
of people in Alec Station
914
00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:56,500
who are looking
at the problem pre-9/11.
915
00:49:56,584 --> 00:50:00,125
They had limited resources.
916
00:50:00,209 --> 00:50:02,876
After 9/11, that small
core group of people
917
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,375
is dwarfed by the newcomers
into the center post-9/11.
918
00:50:11,125 --> 00:50:14,876
It was a foundational
change in the organization.
919
00:50:14,959 --> 00:50:19,459
♪
920
00:50:19,542 --> 00:50:22,626
MAN, VOICE-OVER: They needed
managerial horsepower
921
00:50:22,709 --> 00:50:27,334
to support the increase
in people and budget.
922
00:50:29,042 --> 00:50:31,834
I did not know enough
about al-Qaeda.
923
00:50:31,918 --> 00:50:34,417
Just what little I had
read in the press.
924
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,125
Was not my specialty.
925
00:50:37,751 --> 00:50:41,375
But, you know,
if you've had 25 years
926
00:50:41,459 --> 00:50:43,584
of experience, you come
927
00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:47,083
with a pretty good sense
of what needs to be done,
928
00:50:47,167 --> 00:50:49,876
even if it's a new
target for you.
929
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,375
Pretty quickly, you learn
what you need to learn
930
00:50:52,459 --> 00:50:54,417
about that target.
931
00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:05,792
I became the head of
the Counterterrorism Center
932
00:51:05,876 --> 00:51:08,667
just about the time
when we were dealing
933
00:51:08,751 --> 00:51:10,584
with all these threats.
934
00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:13,500
I mean, it was daily
constant intelligence
935
00:51:13,584 --> 00:51:17,709
coming about a second wave
of attacks.
936
00:51:17,792 --> 00:51:21,918
But I had a reputation
for building strong teams.
937
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,584
♪
938
00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:25,167
MARTIN, VOICE-OVER:
The phone rang.
939
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,125
A senior came on the line,
basically said,
940
00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:29,209
"We need you to come back.
941
00:51:29,292 --> 00:51:31,500
"You know the gravity
of the situation.
942
00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:33,918
You need to come back
and do what you do."
943
00:51:39,083 --> 00:51:45,959
I basically came back
to be the senior manager
944
00:51:46,042 --> 00:51:49,626
for the worldwide effort
against al-Qaeda.
945
00:51:49,709 --> 00:51:54,125
I had a multidimensional
responsibility.
946
00:51:54,209 --> 00:51:56,125
I had to protect my people,
you know?
947
00:51:57,626 --> 00:51:59,959
We changed the rulebook
a bit.
948
00:52:02,209 --> 00:52:04,042
We were empowered more.
949
00:52:05,542 --> 00:52:07,542
We did things
more aggressive.
950
00:52:11,167 --> 00:52:13,292
"My job is
to kill al-Qaeda."
951
00:52:15,584 --> 00:52:17,459
"Either get
shoulder-to-shoulder,
952
00:52:17,542 --> 00:52:19,959
get with us,
or get out of our way."
953
00:52:24,834 --> 00:52:27,751
JOSE RODRIGUEZ: We had
been focusing on capturing
954
00:52:27,834 --> 00:52:29,292
Abu Zubaydah.
955
00:52:29,375 --> 00:52:33,083
♪
956
00:52:33,167 --> 00:52:36,209
He knew who
the leadership was.
957
00:52:36,292 --> 00:52:39,751
He knew their methods
of attack, their targets.
958
00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:46,334
He was the highest level
al-Qaeda terrorist
959
00:52:46,417 --> 00:52:48,417
that we had ever captured.
960
00:52:54,125 --> 00:52:57,083
When we captured
him in March, he was
961
00:52:57,167 --> 00:52:58,792
severely wounded,
962
00:52:58,876 --> 00:53:01,834
and we knew we had to get
him out of Pakistan.
963
00:53:01,918 --> 00:53:05,167
And in the past, the way
the U.S. had dealt
964
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:09,209
with issues like this was
to transfer the terrorist
965
00:53:09,292 --> 00:53:12,584
to a friendly country
for interrogation,
966
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,083
but we needed to take
responsibility
967
00:53:15,167 --> 00:53:19,209
for high level terrorists
ourselves.
968
00:53:19,292 --> 00:53:22,209
So we understood
what we had to do.
969
00:53:22,292 --> 00:53:23,751
And we did it.
970
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:29,375
MARTIN: We took a lot of
bad guys off the streets.
971
00:53:29,459 --> 00:53:33,125
And they got put up--
and it's now public knowledge--
972
00:53:33,209 --> 00:53:35,000
in a nice little, uh...
973
00:53:35,083 --> 00:53:40,792
let's just say...
boutique locations.
974
00:53:51,709 --> 00:53:53,792
ALI SOUFAN: Basically you
have two things you have
975
00:53:53,876 --> 00:53:55,292
to bring with you
to an interrogation room,
976
00:53:55,375 --> 00:53:58,250
especially with
individuals like al-Qaeda.
977
00:53:58,334 --> 00:54:00,334
You have to bring knowledge,
978
00:54:00,417 --> 00:54:03,876
and you have to bring
empathy.
979
00:54:03,959 --> 00:54:05,584
And if you don't have
those two,
980
00:54:05,667 --> 00:54:08,918
I think most probably,
you're gonna fail.
981
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,125
He gave us a couple of
pieces--information
982
00:54:11,209 --> 00:54:13,167
during that early phase.
983
00:54:15,584 --> 00:54:17,834
But then he stopped talking.
984
00:54:17,918 --> 00:54:19,375
When he regained
his strength,
985
00:54:19,459 --> 00:54:22,083
he stopped talking.
986
00:54:22,167 --> 00:54:24,250
And we became convinced
987
00:54:24,334 --> 00:54:27,626
that we had to come up
with a new alternative
988
00:54:27,709 --> 00:54:29,584
to doing this
because it was not working.
989
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:36,542
♪
990
00:54:52,667 --> 00:54:56,083
Eight of the 12 techniques,
in my humble opinion,
991
00:54:56,167 --> 00:54:58,167
were pretty wimpy stuff.
992
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,876
You know, like, slapping.
Give me a break.
993
00:55:00,959 --> 00:55:03,209
OK, it might be unpleasant
to slap somebody,
994
00:55:03,292 --> 00:55:05,000
but it's not torture.
995
00:55:05,083 --> 00:55:06,792
Grabbing someone
from the lapel,
996
00:55:06,876 --> 00:55:09,834
bringing him in to you may
be unpleasant
997
00:55:09,918 --> 00:55:11,042
and it's
an attention grabber,
998
00:55:11,125 --> 00:55:12,834
but it's not torture.
999
00:55:12,918 --> 00:55:14,209
We didn't ask for this.
1000
00:55:14,292 --> 00:55:16,209
We did not ask
to get attacked.
1001
00:55:16,292 --> 00:55:17,500
They did it.
1002
00:55:17,584 --> 00:55:22,459
And so if we can't make them
uncomfortable to save lives,
1003
00:55:22,542 --> 00:55:24,459
then--we've missed
the boat here.
1004
00:55:24,542 --> 00:55:27,459
I believe that
the intention was,
1005
00:55:27,542 --> 00:55:29,959
"We can never allow
this to happen.
1006
00:55:30,042 --> 00:55:32,167
Let's do whatever
needs to be done."
1007
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,959
MARTY MARTIN:
They're straight-up haters.
1008
00:55:35,042 --> 00:55:36,375
There is no reasoning
with them.
1009
00:55:36,459 --> 00:55:40,626
Some individuals who were
at the time in places
1010
00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:43,500
to make decisions
believe that the only reason
1011
00:55:43,584 --> 00:55:45,417
you deal with
these individuals is by
1012
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:46,876
techniques like this.
1013
00:55:46,959 --> 00:55:48,959
If you deal with some
of the hardcore--
1014
00:55:49,042 --> 00:55:52,876
our detainees--they
might have become compliant
1015
00:55:52,959 --> 00:55:54,876
and then maybe jovial
and engaging,
1016
00:55:54,959 --> 00:55:56,876
but if you ask them,
"What are you gonna do
1017
00:55:56,959 --> 00:55:58,125
if you ever get out?,"
1018
00:55:58,209 --> 00:56:03,167
they'll go, "I'm gonna
come kill you, my friend."
1019
00:56:04,626 --> 00:56:09,459
All the information that
came from Abu Zubaydah
1020
00:56:09,542 --> 00:56:12,709
we got
before waterboarding.
1021
00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,250
Most of
these things came
1022
00:56:14,334 --> 00:56:17,542
from traditional
interrogation techniques--
1023
00:56:17,626 --> 00:56:19,417
by showing people
evidence.
1024
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,125
by putting detainees
against each other,
1025
00:56:21,209 --> 00:56:22,584
by pocket litter.
1026
00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:24,792
So the traditional
interrogation techniques
1027
00:56:24,876 --> 00:56:26,542
worked tremendously.
1028
00:56:26,626 --> 00:56:28,667
♪
1029
00:56:28,751 --> 00:56:30,709
RODRIGUEZ:
We had the interrogators,
1030
00:56:30,792 --> 00:56:32,167
and we had the debriefers.
1031
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:37,167
The interrogators would work
with the detainee.
1032
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:39,626
And once they became
compliant,
1033
00:56:39,709 --> 00:56:44,500
they would step back
and the debriefers--
1034
00:56:44,584 --> 00:56:48,375
the targeting analysts,
the people who knew the most
1035
00:56:48,459 --> 00:56:50,083
about the target
would step in
1036
00:56:50,167 --> 00:56:53,959
and would begin
to question them.
1037
00:56:54,042 --> 00:56:58,083
Jennifer Matthews was there
sitting in front
1038
00:56:58,167 --> 00:57:00,542
of Abu Zubaydah,
asking him questions.
1039
00:57:00,626 --> 00:57:02,209
There is
a big difference
1040
00:57:02,292 --> 00:57:03,792
between being an expert
1041
00:57:03,876 --> 00:57:07,751
behind a desk and being
a field expert.
1042
00:57:08,876 --> 00:57:12,542
You can't argue
with success.
1043
00:57:12,626 --> 00:57:14,667
And the fact
of the matter is
1044
00:57:14,751 --> 00:57:17,000
that we were extremely
successful.
1045
00:57:17,083 --> 00:57:19,918
Once we started
using the techniques
1046
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,334
on Abu Zubaydah and once
he became compliant,
1047
00:57:26,417 --> 00:57:30,834
we started to collect
incredible intelligence.
1048
00:57:30,918 --> 00:57:34,959
Abu Zubaydah gave us
the play book of how to go
1049
00:57:35,042 --> 00:57:36,792
after these individuals.
1050
00:57:36,876 --> 00:57:38,334
♪
1051
00:57:38,417 --> 00:57:42,667
So in short order, every
chief of operations was
1052
00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:44,792
either captured or killed.
1053
00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:53,375
MARTIN: Ramzi bin al-Shibh,
Nashiri, Hambali.
1054
00:57:53,459 --> 00:57:56,542
KSM. Remember that guy?
That was a nice one.
1055
00:58:08,792 --> 00:58:11,334
But they had him
in an Arab yuppie outfit.
1056
00:58:11,417 --> 00:58:13,000
You know, he was looking
very prim and proper.
1057
00:58:13,083 --> 00:58:14,334
I'm like, Forget this.
1058
00:58:14,417 --> 00:58:16,250
I want every guy, bad guy,
downrange should know
1059
00:58:16,334 --> 00:58:17,959
what their future is.
1060
00:58:18,042 --> 00:58:19,375
This is their mack daddy.
1061
00:58:19,459 --> 00:58:21,459
This is
their chief gangster.
1062
00:58:23,709 --> 00:58:26,334
This is your future.
1063
00:58:26,417 --> 00:58:28,375
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
1064
00:58:28,459 --> 00:58:30,042
was waterboarded
183 times.
1065
00:58:30,125 --> 00:58:32,584
They tried to quantify
the numbers
1066
00:58:32,667 --> 00:58:34,500
of pourings of water,
1067
00:58:34,584 --> 00:58:38,626
and eventually the pourings
of water used
1068
00:58:38,709 --> 00:58:41,667
in waterboarding
became "times."
1069
00:58:41,751 --> 00:58:44,584
So 183 total pourings
of water
1070
00:58:44,667 --> 00:58:48,709
on Khalid Sheikh Mohammad
became 183 times,
1071
00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:50,083
which is crazy.
1072
00:58:50,167 --> 00:58:52,834
Look, it's not
FBI versus CIA.
1073
00:58:52,918 --> 00:58:55,042
I know for a fact
that everything
1074
00:58:55,125 --> 00:58:58,542
that we've been told,
that resulted,
1075
00:58:58,626 --> 00:59:00,209
because of
waterboarding,
1076
00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:01,375
that's not true.
1077
00:59:01,459 --> 00:59:02,626
Only three terrorists
1078
00:59:02,709 --> 00:59:04,250
with American blood
on their hands
1079
00:59:04,334 --> 00:59:05,584
were ever waterboarded.
1080
00:59:05,667 --> 00:59:09,792
In many cases,
it was just a few days.
1081
00:59:09,876 --> 00:59:12,000
In the case of Abu Zubaydah
and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,
1082
00:59:12,083 --> 00:59:13,459
it was just a few weeks.
1083
00:59:13,542 --> 00:59:15,167
SOUFAN:
This program evolved
1084
00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:17,792
because, you know,
some of the stuff
1085
00:59:17,876 --> 00:59:19,959
that they tried to do
is not working.
1086
00:59:20,042 --> 00:59:24,667
And during the evolution
process, I realize
1087
00:59:24,751 --> 00:59:26,292
that we shouldn't be
part of this
1088
00:59:26,375 --> 00:59:28,417
and--I shouldn't be even
a witness for this.
1089
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,000
And I put it
to our headquarters,
1090
00:59:30,083 --> 00:59:31,876
and headquarters
pulled us out.
1091
00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,584
We all knew Americans
would find out at some point
1092
00:59:33,667 --> 00:59:35,125
about everything we
were up to.
1093
00:59:35,209 --> 00:59:36,542
There were no illusions.
1094
00:59:36,626 --> 00:59:38,959
And so you have to try to
provide a lens of history
1095
00:59:39,042 --> 00:59:40,250
that doesn't exist yet.
1096
00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,209
I understand people are
uncomfortable with this,
1097
00:59:42,292 --> 00:59:44,792
but the options
we had were not very good.
1098
00:59:44,876 --> 00:59:47,626
[Osama bin Laden speaking
foreign language]
1099
01:00:20,292 --> 01:00:22,667
MARTIN: In the aftermath
of 9/11, people expected
1100
01:00:22,751 --> 01:00:25,250
and realized he would
probably go to Tora Bora,
1101
01:00:25,334 --> 01:00:27,417
which he did.
1102
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,375
♪
1103
01:00:31,459 --> 01:00:34,375
After Tora Bora, he more
likely than not went up
1104
01:00:34,459 --> 01:00:39,209
to Kunar and then somewhere.
1105
01:00:39,292 --> 01:00:41,167
Well, it could
have been in--
1106
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:43,042
I always thought of him
as running around--
1107
01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:47,125
maybe
in the Afghan-Pak border,
1108
01:00:47,209 --> 01:00:48,500
maybe even if Afghanistan.
1109
01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:50,167
That's what my favorite
would have been--
1110
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:52,292
having him in Afghanistan,
because that was
1111
01:00:52,375 --> 01:00:55,542
his spiritual home,
so to speak,
1112
01:00:55,626 --> 01:00:58,500
from the Afghan jihad.
1113
01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,751
RODRIGUEZ: I was asked,
"Where is bin Laden,"
1114
01:01:01,834 --> 01:01:03,250
all the time.
1115
01:01:06,667 --> 01:01:08,542
When I went to testify
to the Congress,
1116
01:01:08,626 --> 01:01:10,000
the first thing they
wanted to know was,
1117
01:01:10,083 --> 01:01:12,000
"Where is bin Laden?"
1118
01:01:12,083 --> 01:01:14,542
♪
1119
01:01:14,626 --> 01:01:16,125
I went to the Oval Office
a number of times.
1120
01:01:16,209 --> 01:01:20,500
I was asked by the president
"Where is bin Laden?"
1121
01:01:22,167 --> 01:01:24,959
Everybody
would ask the same question:
1122
01:01:25,042 --> 01:01:26,292
"Where is bin Laden?"
1123
01:01:26,375 --> 01:01:29,584
It was very frustrating to
basically have to admit
1124
01:01:29,667 --> 01:01:31,751
that you didn't know.
1125
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:38,459
One time, one of my
colleagues came in to talk
1126
01:01:38,542 --> 01:01:40,876
to me about,
"Where's bin Laden?"
1127
01:01:40,959 --> 01:01:47,000
And I told him, "Look, you
know, I am so tired of this.
1128
01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:50,042
"The next time that
the next person asks me,
1129
01:01:50,125 --> 01:01:51,876
"'Where is bin Laden,'
1130
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:54,459
"I'm gonna say,
'You know what? Fuck you.
1131
01:01:54,542 --> 01:01:56,709
Fuck you.'"
1132
01:01:56,792 --> 01:02:00,417
♪
1133
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,918
And later that day,
I went home.
1134
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,667
And the first thing my wife
asked me when I get home is,
1135
01:02:05,751 --> 01:02:10,292
"Where is bin Laden?
And why can't you find him?"
1136
01:02:17,167 --> 01:02:19,751
MARTIN: The toughest
position to be in al-Qaeda
1137
01:02:19,834 --> 01:02:21,209
then was number three,
number four.
1138
01:02:21,292 --> 01:02:22,918
Because why?
You had to communicate.
1139
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,375
You had to communicate
to get attacks done.
1140
01:02:24,459 --> 01:02:25,959
You had to communicate--
and if you were doing that,
1141
01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:28,083
we're on you.
1142
01:02:28,167 --> 01:02:30,876
RODRIGUEZ:
Frankly, even though
1143
01:02:30,959 --> 01:02:33,417
in the back of our minds,
we knew we had
1144
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,000
to get him some day,
1145
01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:38,667
we were actually
too busy going after those
1146
01:02:38,751 --> 01:02:40,792
who were actually
plotting against us.
1147
01:02:40,876 --> 01:02:43,751
♪
1148
01:02:43,834 --> 01:02:45,709
Congratulations,
Abu Butthead.
1149
01:02:45,792 --> 01:02:47,209
You're now number three
in al-Qaeda.
1150
01:02:47,292 --> 01:02:48,834
That's the good news.
The bad news is,
1151
01:02:48,918 --> 01:02:50,500
you're now number
three in al-Qaeda.
1152
01:02:50,584 --> 01:02:52,000
You'd better buckle
your chinstrap
1153
01:02:52,083 --> 01:02:53,542
because your
career path is
1154
01:02:53,626 --> 01:02:55,167
probably going
to be short-lived.
1155
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,667
MUDD: There is an aspect
of the intelligence business
1156
01:03:01,751 --> 01:03:03,000
called targeting.
1157
01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:06,083
I think this is a revolution
for a couple of reasons.
1158
01:03:06,167 --> 01:03:08,876
Just in the past ten years,
the agency
1159
01:03:08,959 --> 01:03:10,834
has transitioned
from strategic intelligence
1160
01:03:10,918 --> 01:03:14,125
to tactical intelligence
that helps you identify
1161
01:03:14,209 --> 01:03:18,542
the movements and locations
of one specific individual.
1162
01:03:18,626 --> 01:03:21,042
I'm not just worried about
what al-Qaeda
1163
01:03:21,125 --> 01:03:22,626
looks like strategically;
1164
01:03:22,709 --> 01:03:24,334
I want an analyst
1165
01:03:24,417 --> 01:03:26,459
who's spending
all their time looking
1166
01:03:26,542 --> 01:03:28,751
at one target
with one name...
1167
01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:30,167
[Computer mouse clicking]
1168
01:03:30,250 --> 01:03:32,375
and people
whose whole goal in life
1169
01:03:32,459 --> 01:03:34,959
is following
one human being.
1170
01:03:47,709 --> 01:03:50,209
I went to the other women
who had become
1171
01:03:50,292 --> 01:03:52,542
targeting officers
when I moved over--
1172
01:03:52,626 --> 01:03:55,125
Jennifer Matthews
and some of the other women
1173
01:03:55,209 --> 01:03:56,584
who had already paved
the way--
1174
01:03:56,667 --> 01:03:58,083
just to ask them,
"How do I do this?
1175
01:03:58,167 --> 01:04:00,751
I have to build this
from the ground up,"
1176
01:04:00,834 --> 01:04:03,500
kind of like they did
on the bin Laden side.
1177
01:04:03,584 --> 01:04:05,918
You know,
"How do I do this?"
1178
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,125
We still didn't have a great
technical tool to do that.
1179
01:04:09,209 --> 01:04:10,918
I built a spreadsheet.
1180
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,250
And when I reached out
to Barbara and Gina
1181
01:04:14,334 --> 01:04:15,918
and a few other women,
they just said,
1182
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,626
"That's how we do it.
1183
01:04:17,709 --> 01:04:20,334
Go for it. That's exactly
how you get it done."
1184
01:04:20,417 --> 01:04:25,459
♪
1185
01:04:25,542 --> 01:04:27,584
MUDD: You're leaving
a digital trail every day.
1186
01:04:27,667 --> 01:04:28,959
So are terrorists...
1187
01:04:29,042 --> 01:04:30,209
when that person travels,
1188
01:04:30,292 --> 01:04:32,250
when that person
gets on a phone,
1189
01:04:32,334 --> 01:04:35,292
when we get information
from a courier in al-Qaeda
1190
01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:36,584
about who he's touching
1191
01:04:36,667 --> 01:04:39,083
and we bounce it against
information we might have
1192
01:04:39,167 --> 01:04:41,209
found out two years ago.
1193
01:04:42,876 --> 01:04:45,125
MUDD: They're looking at
a human terrorist in a field
1194
01:04:45,209 --> 01:04:47,417
and they might send
a cable to a station
1195
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:49,459
that results in action
against that target
1196
01:04:49,542 --> 01:04:51,292
the next day.
1197
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:56,959
MUDD: Somebody who wants
in the fight.
1198
01:04:57,042 --> 01:05:00,083
That's what a targeter is.
1199
01:05:00,167 --> 01:05:03,209
You have to intimately know
the target
1200
01:05:03,292 --> 01:05:04,584
that you're going after,
1201
01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:07,751
how you think that person
is gonna act, react,
1202
01:05:07,834 --> 01:05:09,167
what they're gonna do
that day,
1203
01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:11,918
what their strategy is,
who they're gonna talk to.
1204
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,375
What are their
priorities in life?
1205
01:05:13,459 --> 01:05:15,667
Is it wife number one,
is it wife number two?
1206
01:05:15,751 --> 01:05:22,751
♪
1207
01:05:52,083 --> 01:05:55,834
I was in Baghdad shortly
after the war started,
1208
01:05:55,918 --> 01:06:00,083
and it was kind of like
being in the Wild West.
1209
01:06:01,876 --> 01:06:03,918
It was complete chaos.
1210
01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:15,709
Bin Laden was initially
excited about this.
1211
01:06:15,792 --> 01:06:17,334
He was excited about Iraq.
1212
01:06:17,417 --> 01:06:18,751
This is something he
1213
01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:20,792
couldn't, at the time,
pull off.
1214
01:06:20,876 --> 01:06:23,626
So he was happy
to support the endeavor.
1215
01:06:23,709 --> 01:06:30,584
♪
1216
01:06:34,375 --> 01:06:40,918
[Gunfire]
1217
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,459
BAKOS: He was such
a brutal terrorist.
1218
01:06:45,167 --> 01:06:48,709
I just felt like we owed
it to the people of Iraq
1219
01:06:48,792 --> 01:06:50,667
to remove him.
1220
01:06:56,709 --> 01:07:00,000
BAKOS: It seems so strange
that I never met Zarqawi.
1221
01:07:00,083 --> 01:07:02,042
My former colleagues
1222
01:07:02,125 --> 01:07:03,959
in the Jordanian
Intelligence Service
1223
01:07:04,042 --> 01:07:05,751
used to call him
my boyfriend.
1224
01:07:05,834 --> 01:07:08,417
[Computer mouse clicking]
1225
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,542
[Man speaking
foreign language]
1226
01:07:14,751 --> 01:07:17,542
BAKOS, VOICE-OVER: I felt
like I knew Zarqawi too well.
1227
01:07:26,792 --> 01:07:29,042
BAKOS: He was a quiet guy...
1228
01:07:30,542 --> 01:07:32,375
in a pathological
sort of way.
1229
01:07:32,459 --> 01:07:34,792
I mean, he was a monster.
1230
01:07:37,209 --> 01:07:39,751
There were calls at
2:00, 3:00 in the morning
1231
01:07:39,834 --> 01:07:40,918
from the group chief
1232
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,334
every time a bombing
happened,
1233
01:07:42,417 --> 01:07:43,626
every time
he set off a VBID,
1234
01:07:43,709 --> 01:07:46,792
every time he targeted
a mosque or anything.
1235
01:07:46,876 --> 01:07:49,626
♪
1236
01:07:49,709 --> 01:07:52,584
You know, I was
thinking about him 24/7,
1237
01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:57,876
and it just wasn't
pleasant after a while.
1238
01:07:59,834 --> 01:08:03,292
MARTY MARTIN: The model
to me is very clear.
1239
01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:06,042
Our special forces,
our JSOC operators,
1240
01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:07,542
their analysts,
our analysts,
1241
01:08:07,626 --> 01:08:09,334
their operators,
our operators,
1242
01:08:09,417 --> 01:08:11,000
were working hand-in-hand.
1243
01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:12,584
They were downrange.
1244
01:08:12,667 --> 01:08:15,000
They were downrange
in our field stations
1245
01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:16,584
assisting in operations,
1246
01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:18,751
bringing that expertise
there.
1247
01:08:18,834 --> 01:08:22,959
And the lessons
and the ability to take
1248
01:08:23,042 --> 01:08:24,459
intelligence operations
combined
1249
01:08:24,542 --> 01:08:29,000
with special operations
to create a synergy,
1250
01:08:29,083 --> 01:08:30,334
a deadly synergy.
1251
01:08:30,417 --> 01:08:34,042
And your job
as a targeting officer
1252
01:08:34,125 --> 01:08:36,626
in a war theater
is to help point
1253
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:39,292
boots on the ground
or something up above
1254
01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:43,042
toward a target and be
as accurate as possible.
1255
01:08:43,125 --> 01:08:48,667
♪
1256
01:08:48,751 --> 01:08:50,167
[Explosions]
1257
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:53,667
MAN: Wait!
1258
01:08:53,751 --> 01:08:55,417
MAN, VOICE-OVER: For me,
war is sort of like
1259
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:57,792
something radioactive
that you shouldn't touch
1260
01:08:57,876 --> 01:08:59,918
unless you've done
a tremendous amount
1261
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,542
of understanding of just
the damage that it will do.
1262
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:17,334
You can flirt with the idea
that "I can cross the line
1263
01:09:17,417 --> 01:09:20,417
"and go into the dark side
and then I can walk back
1264
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:23,042
"because I'm going
in the dark side
1265
01:09:23,125 --> 01:09:25,000
for a good purpose."
1266
01:09:25,083 --> 01:09:27,709
And there are times when
that may be appropriate,
1267
01:09:27,792 --> 01:09:30,083
but it is dangerous.
1268
01:09:30,167 --> 01:09:31,959
♪
1269
01:09:32,042 --> 01:09:34,292
It's easier next time
to cross.
1270
01:09:36,334 --> 01:09:38,000
[Explosion]
1271
01:09:38,083 --> 01:09:40,626
[Men speaking
foreign language]
1272
01:09:54,334 --> 01:09:59,709
♪
1273
01:09:59,792 --> 01:10:01,334
I did not like being
on the raids.
1274
01:10:01,417 --> 01:10:04,959
That wasn't--I was
an analyst.
1275
01:10:05,042 --> 01:10:08,375
Wasn't--I just didn't...I...
1276
01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:14,292
♪
1277
01:10:14,375 --> 01:10:16,417
I think there are
questions
1278
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:18,167
about an intelligence
organization
1279
01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:21,500
that slowly gets involved
in executing these types
1280
01:10:21,584 --> 01:10:23,542
of global counterterrorism
operations.
1281
01:10:23,626 --> 01:10:25,334
That's a real
mind-set change.
1282
01:10:25,417 --> 01:10:28,667
The war was not
an agnostic video game.
1283
01:10:28,751 --> 01:10:30,167
It was a personal game
where you know
1284
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:31,334
you're responsible
1285
01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:32,918
not only for the lives
of Americans,
1286
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,042
but for going up
against an adversary
1287
01:10:35,125 --> 01:10:36,667
that you got to kill
or capture.
1288
01:10:36,751 --> 01:10:39,876
August of 2004,
I think we did 18 raids
1289
01:10:39,959 --> 01:10:41,459
that month in Iraq,
1290
01:10:41,542 --> 01:10:42,876
our force.
1291
01:10:42,959 --> 01:10:46,083
Two years later in 2006,
same month,
1292
01:10:46,167 --> 01:10:48,250
Iraq, also,
we did 300 raids.
1293
01:10:48,334 --> 01:10:50,626
[Man speaking foreign language]
1294
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:52,334
STANLEY McCHRYSTAL:
Our ability to collect
1295
01:10:52,417 --> 01:10:53,918
intelligence,
act on intelligence,
1296
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,709
and then collect more
intelligence had taken
1297
01:10:55,792 --> 01:11:00,918
an almost industrial
size and speed to it.
1298
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,459
[Dialogue continues
in foreign language]
1299
01:11:05,542 --> 01:11:07,918
BAKOS: It was definitely
a well-oiled machine.
1300
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,334
There were rolling raids.
1301
01:11:10,417 --> 01:11:13,584
Sometimes
those were fruitful,
1302
01:11:13,667 --> 01:11:14,959
and sometimes not so much.
1303
01:11:15,042 --> 01:11:16,375
I think
sometimes the momentum
1304
01:11:16,459 --> 01:11:18,959
sort of overtook
the substance
1305
01:11:19,042 --> 01:11:20,542
of what we were going after.
1306
01:11:20,626 --> 01:11:21,876
You know, it's like,
"There's another target.
1307
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:26,083
Let's go after it,
just because we can."
1308
01:11:26,167 --> 01:11:27,792
The machine just kept going.
1309
01:11:27,876 --> 01:11:30,209
[Airplane engine starts]
1310
01:11:31,959 --> 01:11:34,459
MAN, VOICE-OVER:
We had executed thousands
1311
01:11:34,542 --> 01:11:36,959
of these kinds of raids
in Iraq
1312
01:11:37,042 --> 01:11:38,375
and Afghanistan,
1313
01:11:38,459 --> 01:11:41,000
and we got better
and better at them.
1314
01:11:41,083 --> 01:11:48,209
So it was that evolution
in particular with the CIA
1315
01:11:48,292 --> 01:11:50,792
in ways that we
just couldn't have imagined
1316
01:11:50,876 --> 01:11:54,834
in 2001 or 2002,
1317
01:11:54,918 --> 01:11:57,709
but were absolutely
critical, as it turns out,
1318
01:11:57,792 --> 01:12:00,292
in order to be able
to meet this threat.
1319
01:12:00,375 --> 01:12:02,125
♪
1320
01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:04,042
BAKOS: But you
definitely need to know
1321
01:12:04,125 --> 01:12:07,375
what your moral center is
and how you define that
1322
01:12:07,459 --> 01:12:10,417
for yourself in order
to be able to do that job.
1323
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,959
I mean, I worked in a center
where my job was to hunt
1324
01:12:14,042 --> 01:12:16,083
a person down
to capture or kill.
1325
01:12:16,167 --> 01:12:17,626
I mean, I had to be
OK with that.
1326
01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:21,125
And, you know, the paradox
of wanting to save
1327
01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:22,709
the women and children
of Iraq
1328
01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:26,375
and kill someone
in order to do that
1329
01:12:26,459 --> 01:12:28,834
wasn't lost on me
by any means.
1330
01:12:28,918 --> 01:12:30,709
But, you know, I...
1331
01:12:30,792 --> 01:12:32,876
I can justify that
for myself.
1332
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,500
HASLER: The war on terror.
1333
01:12:39,584 --> 01:12:41,417
[Explosion]
1334
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:43,500
How can you have
a war on terror
1335
01:12:43,584 --> 01:12:45,709
when terrorism is a tactic?
1336
01:12:45,792 --> 01:12:47,292
You have a war
against people.
1337
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,042
♪
1338
01:12:50,125 --> 01:12:53,334
So the question
immediately becomes,
1339
01:12:53,417 --> 01:12:54,876
Who are the people
that we're fighting
1340
01:12:54,959 --> 01:12:56,918
the war against?
1341
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,417
♪
1342
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:59,918
[Explosions]
1343
01:13:00,042 --> 01:13:03,250
And I think still most
people don't understand
1344
01:13:03,334 --> 01:13:04,667
why they hate us.
1345
01:13:04,751 --> 01:13:06,792
[Man speaking foreign language]
1346
01:13:11,751 --> 01:13:15,959
Some strikes are necessary,
but if our solution
1347
01:13:16,042 --> 01:13:19,959
to this kind of problem is
to just strike
1348
01:13:20,042 --> 01:13:22,209
without trying to take
effective efforts
1349
01:13:22,292 --> 01:13:25,375
to prevent the rise of
threats, it's endless.
1350
01:13:25,459 --> 01:13:26,792
♪
1351
01:13:26,876 --> 01:13:29,292
HASLER: Shock and awe does
not end wars on terrorism.
1352
01:13:29,375 --> 01:13:32,542
It only creates
more terrorism.
1353
01:13:32,626 --> 01:13:34,959
Money starts to flow
to terrorist groups,
1354
01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:37,042
people become
more radicalized.
1355
01:13:37,125 --> 01:13:38,250
[Crowd cheering]
1356
01:13:38,334 --> 01:13:40,083
[Men chanting
in foreign language]
1357
01:13:40,167 --> 01:13:41,709
HASLER: Wars on terror
should be fought
1358
01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:45,500
under the radar,
as quietly as possible.
1359
01:13:46,959 --> 01:13:49,959
But counterterrorist
operations are,
1360
01:13:50,042 --> 01:13:51,334
by their nature,
1361
01:13:51,417 --> 01:13:54,417
not very satisfying
to a frightened public.
1362
01:13:54,500 --> 01:14:01,334
♪
1363
01:14:05,667 --> 01:14:07,459
BAKOS:
And we were working closely
1364
01:14:07,542 --> 01:14:09,542
with the bin Laden unit,
1365
01:14:09,626 --> 01:14:11,792
and the dynamic of
the relationship
1366
01:14:11,876 --> 01:14:13,876
between Zarqawi
and core al-Qaeda
1367
01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:15,834
sort of turned a lot
of assessments on
1368
01:14:15,918 --> 01:14:18,626
what was happening with
core al-Qaeda on its head.
1369
01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:22,459
Bin Laden didn't know,
I'm sure, what he was
1370
01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:24,000
getting into with Zarqawi--
1371
01:14:24,083 --> 01:14:26,167
how fundamentally
different he was
1372
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,626
from some of his
other al-Qaeda leaders.
1373
01:14:30,125 --> 01:14:33,167
He did not have the same
academic background
1374
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:35,542
that a lot of
the al-Qaeda scholars had.
1375
01:14:35,626 --> 01:14:37,959
He didn't have the same--
1376
01:14:38,042 --> 01:14:41,459
for a lack of a better way
to put it--
1377
01:14:41,542 --> 01:14:45,250
professional sense
of jihad as al-Qaeda did.
1378
01:14:45,334 --> 01:14:47,542
He didn't understand
the rules of the game.
1379
01:14:47,626 --> 01:14:50,042
He just thought
he could enact
1380
01:14:50,125 --> 01:14:52,834
any strategy regardless
of how brutal it was.
1381
01:14:52,918 --> 01:14:54,918
[Man speaking foreign language]
1382
01:15:03,626 --> 01:15:10,626
♪
1383
01:15:19,959 --> 01:15:21,626
BAKOS: It was surprising
to hear
1384
01:15:21,709 --> 01:15:24,459
that Zarqawi was not
being deferential.
1385
01:15:26,459 --> 01:15:28,751
He was being insubordinate.
1386
01:15:35,876 --> 01:15:37,876
[Computer mouse clicking]
1387
01:15:44,042 --> 01:15:47,167
♪
1388
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:51,500
Hassan Ghul was
an emissary from al-Qaeda.
1389
01:15:54,209 --> 01:15:56,876
He was actually
bringing over another letter
1390
01:15:56,959 --> 01:16:00,459
from al-Qaeda central
to Zarqawi about
1391
01:16:00,542 --> 01:16:03,083
how he should be conducting
operations in Iraq.
1392
01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:08,459
When we realized
that Hassan Ghul
1393
01:16:08,542 --> 01:16:10,250
would be traveling to Iraq,
1394
01:16:10,334 --> 01:16:13,417
we decided this was
an opportunity for us.
1395
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,834
So we actually planned
an operation--
1396
01:16:15,918 --> 01:16:20,459
it was my team with our base
and the Kurdish government--
1397
01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:22,584
to capture him.
1398
01:16:22,667 --> 01:16:25,584
And we definite--
1399
01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:27,500
the Kurdish government
kept him, and we
1400
01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:29,834
definitely gained a lot
of information out of him,
1401
01:16:29,918 --> 01:16:31,542
including
Al-Kuwaiti's name
1402
01:16:31,626 --> 01:16:34,834
and the role that he
played with bin Laden.
1403
01:16:34,918 --> 01:16:36,334
Did that answer...
1404
01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:37,834
INTERVIEWER:
Do you know how his name,
1405
01:16:37,918 --> 01:16:41,125
Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's,
came up?
1406
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:43,292
[Chuckles]
1407
01:16:46,083 --> 01:16:48,584
Within the course
of a debriefing
1408
01:16:48,667 --> 01:16:50,584
with the Kurdish
government,
1409
01:16:50,667 --> 01:16:52,375
Hassan Ghul gave up
the name of Al-Kuwaiti,
1410
01:16:52,459 --> 01:16:54,542
the courier.
1411
01:16:56,042 --> 01:16:57,959
RODRIGUEZ:
Ahmed from Kuwait.
1412
01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:02,167
It was
significant information,
1413
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:07,292
even though we knew that
the pseudonym al-Kuwaiti
1414
01:17:07,375 --> 01:17:09,083
was a throwaways.
1415
01:17:09,167 --> 01:17:11,125
I mean, who--
It's like saying
1416
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:13,417
"Jose the Puerto Rican,"
you know?
1417
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,792
It could be anybody.
1418
01:17:15,876 --> 01:17:19,000
The key is what
he told us about bin Laden
1419
01:17:19,083 --> 01:17:21,292
not using any other
means of communicating.
1420
01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:23,000
♪
1421
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:25,626
We asked
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
1422
01:17:25,709 --> 01:17:29,876
about the information
of the courier...
1423
01:17:29,959 --> 01:17:31,876
and he kind of just...
1424
01:17:31,959 --> 01:17:33,584
He jumped back.
1425
01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:35,626
His body language
jumped back. He changed.
1426
01:17:35,709 --> 01:17:36,751
And he said, "No, no, no."
1427
01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,959
Look, we all know,
even as little kids,
1428
01:17:41,042 --> 01:17:43,792
if suddenly you react
and go, "No, no, no,"
1429
01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,375
it probably means
"Yes, yes, yes."
1430
01:17:45,459 --> 01:17:47,125
He had not been truthful.
1431
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:49,751
But later--and this
is the benefits
1432
01:17:49,834 --> 01:17:52,167
of having black sites--
1433
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:54,542
we intercepted
a communication from him
1434
01:17:54,626 --> 01:17:57,626
to some of the other
detainees.
1435
01:17:57,709 --> 01:18:00,751
He told his fellow
detainees not to say a word
1436
01:18:00,834 --> 01:18:02,250
about the courier,
1437
01:18:02,334 --> 01:18:05,209
thereby telling us
a lot about the courier...
1438
01:18:05,292 --> 01:18:07,042
♪
1439
01:18:07,125 --> 01:18:09,459
that he's of
tremendous importance
1440
01:18:09,542 --> 01:18:11,584
and that we were
on to something.
1441
01:18:20,918 --> 01:18:24,000
[Vehicles passing in distance,
whistles blowing]
1442
01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:45,834
MICHAEL HAYDEN:
In late 2007,
1443
01:18:45,918 --> 01:18:48,375
the bin Laden cell
came to me.
1444
01:18:48,459 --> 01:18:50,209
♪
1445
01:18:50,292 --> 01:18:53,751
Some of these people
had been doing this
1446
01:18:53,834 --> 01:18:55,542
well before 9/11.
1447
01:18:55,626 --> 01:18:57,542
I mean, they go all the way
back to Alec Station.
1448
01:18:57,626 --> 01:19:02,167
These people had spent
their lives on this target.
1449
01:19:04,542 --> 01:19:06,792
They said, "We're going to
try another approach.
1450
01:19:06,876 --> 01:19:08,417
"It's got to be
the courier network.
1451
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:11,000
"We've got some information
on couriers.
1452
01:19:11,083 --> 01:19:13,500
We're gonna begin
to build from that."
1453
01:19:20,334 --> 01:19:23,292
The way it works
is information comes in.
1454
01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:25,167
You catalogue it,
you organize it.
1455
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,125
You know, that little
nugget there could sit
1456
01:19:28,209 --> 01:19:30,584
fallow on your shelves
for four or five years
1457
01:19:30,667 --> 01:19:33,250
until something else comes
in that's suddenly
1458
01:19:33,334 --> 01:19:35,500
very illuminating
about something that you
1459
01:19:35,584 --> 01:19:38,042
may have had for a very
long period of time.
1460
01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:44,417
That actually happened
in the work
1461
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,542
we did to hunt
for Osama bin Laden
1462
01:19:47,626 --> 01:19:50,375
by trying to track
his courier.
1463
01:19:50,459 --> 01:19:55,083
♪
1464
01:19:55,167 --> 01:19:57,667
RODRIGUEZ: It took years
for the agency
1465
01:19:57,751 --> 01:19:59,125
to recruit the human source
1466
01:19:59,209 --> 01:20:02,459
that eventually gave us
the true name.
1467
01:20:03,918 --> 01:20:05,334
That's why we're
in the business
1468
01:20:05,417 --> 01:20:08,918
of clandestine
human intelligence,
1469
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000
because in many cases,
all these fancy gadgets
1470
01:20:13,083 --> 01:20:15,209
and everything else
1471
01:20:15,292 --> 01:20:17,042
won't give you
the information
1472
01:20:17,125 --> 01:20:18,876
that you really need--
1473
01:20:18,959 --> 01:20:21,250
a true name.
1474
01:20:21,334 --> 01:20:23,292
And we finally
got his true name...
1475
01:20:27,626 --> 01:20:29,083
which is whatever it is.
1476
01:20:29,167 --> 01:20:30,125
[Laughs]
1477
01:20:30,209 --> 01:20:32,834
Whatever Arabic name,
you know?
1478
01:20:32,918 --> 01:20:36,876
But the true name,
we were able to find out
1479
01:20:36,959 --> 01:20:38,626
a lot about him.
1480
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:40,500
From then on, you know,
1481
01:20:40,584 --> 01:20:42,751
the agency was able to do
what it does so well--
1482
01:20:42,834 --> 01:20:44,500
track the guy and find him.
1483
01:20:46,459 --> 01:20:47,876
HAYDEN:
Very soon after that,
1484
01:20:47,959 --> 01:20:49,209
I briefed the President.
1485
01:20:49,292 --> 01:20:51,042
I said, "I got to tell you,
Mr. President, my guys,
1486
01:20:51,125 --> 01:20:53,500
"they seem a little
optimistic about this.
1487
01:20:53,584 --> 01:20:55,500
They actually think
this could lead somewhere."
1488
01:20:58,709 --> 01:21:00,834
[Overlapping conversations
in foreign language]
1489
01:21:12,626 --> 01:21:16,042
MARTIN: You're projecting
force and intelligence
1490
01:21:16,125 --> 01:21:18,792
and assets
across that border.
1491
01:21:18,876 --> 01:21:21,834
And that's
what Khost represented.
1492
01:21:21,918 --> 01:21:26,042
Their focus was across
over there in Waziristan,
1493
01:21:26,125 --> 01:21:29,000
because that's where
the enemy was.
1494
01:21:33,667 --> 01:21:35,667
[Vehicle horns honking]
1495
01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,042
MAN: Jen Matthews
was the chief of base,
1496
01:21:41,125 --> 01:21:42,667
of the CIA base down there.
1497
01:21:42,751 --> 01:21:45,125
She was there
to have her fingers
1498
01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:47,709
right on the pulse
of the information
1499
01:21:47,792 --> 01:21:50,334
that was coming
through the base.
1500
01:21:50,417 --> 01:21:53,876
She never enunciated
that, so to speak,
1501
01:21:53,959 --> 01:21:56,209
in such stark terms,
1502
01:21:56,292 --> 01:21:58,083
but my sense was she was
1503
01:21:58,167 --> 01:22:01,792
there to target and kill
1504
01:22:01,876 --> 01:22:03,709
senior al-Qaeda leaders.
1505
01:22:05,042 --> 01:22:08,209
I asked her, "Do you think
we're going to get him?"
1506
01:22:08,292 --> 01:22:10,167
She smiled and said,
1507
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:14,083
"We'll get him eventually,
1508
01:22:14,167 --> 01:22:15,876
and I hope
I'm a part of it."
1509
01:22:15,959 --> 01:22:17,584
So...
1510
01:22:17,667 --> 01:22:24,542
♪
1511
01:22:42,042 --> 01:22:45,125
[Man speaking foreign language]
1512
01:23:34,375 --> 01:23:37,292
MAN: He's not at all what
you'd expect as a radical.
1513
01:23:37,375 --> 01:23:40,375
He's a doctor; he's working
in a refugee clinic.
1514
01:23:46,667 --> 01:23:48,792
It turns out he had
this very dangerous hobby
1515
01:23:48,876 --> 01:23:50,083
on the side, which was
writing this blog
1516
01:23:50,167 --> 01:23:51,667
and getting himself
in trouble.
1517
01:23:51,751 --> 01:23:53,209
Over a period of months,
1518
01:23:53,292 --> 01:23:54,584
he becomes one of
1519
01:23:54,667 --> 01:23:56,209
the most visible writers
1520
01:23:56,292 --> 01:23:58,000
on the internet, and the CIA
1521
01:23:58,083 --> 01:23:59,667
and the Jordanian
intelligence
1522
01:23:59,751 --> 01:24:03,542
go all out to recruit
Balawi to be a spy.
1523
01:24:04,834 --> 01:24:07,000
Over several weeks,
they convince him
1524
01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:08,542
to go to work for them.
1525
01:24:09,876 --> 01:24:12,459
[Humam al-Balawi speaking
foreign language]
1526
01:24:25,709 --> 01:24:27,876
[Overlapping conversations
in foreign language]
1527
01:24:49,542 --> 01:24:51,834
♪
1528
01:24:51,918 --> 01:24:54,626
JOBY WARRICK: Balawi finds
his way into Pakistan
1529
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:56,167
and essentially disappears.
1530
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:57,542
Very likely somebody
suspected him
1531
01:24:57,626 --> 01:25:00,334
as being an informant
and maybe cut his head off.
1532
01:25:02,626 --> 01:25:05,542
Nobody hears anything from
Balawi for three months.
1533
01:25:06,751 --> 01:25:08,834
Suddenly he's back
on the radar screen again,
1534
01:25:08,918 --> 01:25:11,876
and he's saying,
"I've gotten inside."
1535
01:25:11,959 --> 01:25:13,459
Balawi is a doctor.
1536
01:25:13,542 --> 01:25:14,918
He is now beginning to treat
1537
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,125
the number two leader
of al-Qaeda,
1538
01:25:17,209 --> 01:25:19,083
Ayman al-Zawahiri.
1539
01:25:19,167 --> 01:25:23,667
[al-Balawi speaking
foreign language]
1540
01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,000
When Balawi sends
this information
1541
01:25:25,083 --> 01:25:27,959
to the CIA headquarters,
the place goes crazy.
1542
01:25:28,042 --> 01:25:30,334
Even the White House
gets briefed.
1543
01:25:30,417 --> 01:25:32,834
This young man, Balawi,
1544
01:25:32,918 --> 01:25:34,709
is gonna take us
right to number two
1545
01:25:34,792 --> 01:25:37,167
and maybe even
to number one.
1546
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:39,292
[al-Balawi speaking
foreign language]
1547
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:47,125
WARRICK: The meeting
has to take place
1548
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:49,792
in a place where the CIA
can completely control
1549
01:25:49,876 --> 01:25:52,125
the environment,
and by default,
1550
01:25:52,209 --> 01:25:54,918
this becomes
the CIA base at Khost.
1551
01:25:56,042 --> 01:25:57,500
It falls
to Jennifer Matthews
1552
01:25:57,584 --> 01:26:00,167
to come with a plan
to get Balawi
1553
01:26:00,250 --> 01:26:04,000
inside this base at Khost
without being detected.
1554
01:26:04,083 --> 01:26:06,042
Well, the problem is
1555
01:26:06,125 --> 01:26:08,918
that nobody in the CIA
has ever met with Balawi.
1556
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,626
♪
1557
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:16,334
WARRICK: They make
arrangements for him to come
1558
01:26:16,417 --> 01:26:17,834
into the base
without even being searched
1559
01:26:17,918 --> 01:26:19,334
or checked because
they're afraid
1560
01:26:19,417 --> 01:26:20,834
that somebody might
recognize him,
1561
01:26:20,918 --> 01:26:22,626
his identity might
be compromised.
1562
01:26:40,334 --> 01:26:42,334
♪
1563
01:26:42,417 --> 01:26:46,834
People have been
too quick to blame Jennifer,
1564
01:26:46,918 --> 01:26:50,792
and that I reject totally
1565
01:26:50,876 --> 01:26:52,792
because there were
many people
1566
01:26:52,876 --> 01:26:54,500
looking at this operation.
1567
01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:59,626
♪
1568
01:26:59,709 --> 01:27:03,083
RODRIGUEZ: People wanted
to believe that the source
1569
01:27:03,167 --> 01:27:05,000
was good.
1570
01:27:11,292 --> 01:27:13,000
♪
1571
01:27:13,083 --> 01:27:16,584
There were also pressures
coming from the White House
1572
01:27:16,667 --> 01:27:18,209
and elsewhere, saying,
you know,
1573
01:27:18,292 --> 01:27:21,417
"Pursue, pursue, pursue.
We need to do this."
1574
01:27:24,918 --> 01:27:28,209
I'm sure there were people,
voices out there saying,
1575
01:27:28,292 --> 01:27:30,167
"Uh, maybe not."
1576
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:34,250
"Maybe we should slow down."
1577
01:27:34,334 --> 01:27:36,584
♪
1578
01:27:36,667 --> 01:27:39,209
That happens
in many operations.
1579
01:27:41,751 --> 01:27:43,918
Didn't happen in this one.
1580
01:27:46,542 --> 01:27:47,918
WARRICK: So they set up
a plan to get him
1581
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,459
through the checkpoints
without being even looked at
1582
01:27:50,542 --> 01:27:52,125
by the guards.
1583
01:27:53,834 --> 01:27:55,167
He gets further
into the base,
1584
01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:57,667
goes through
a second checkpoint,
1585
01:27:57,751 --> 01:27:58,918
goes to a third checkpoint,
1586
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,876
and gets all the way
in to the innermost heart
1587
01:28:00,959 --> 01:28:02,959
of the base,
the inner sanctum.
1588
01:28:08,417 --> 01:28:11,167
WARRICK: There are a total
of 14 CIA officers lined up
1589
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:12,626
to meet him.
1590
01:28:20,959 --> 01:28:22,542
WARRICK: Balawi gets out of
1591
01:28:22,626 --> 01:28:24,209
the car on the wrong side,
1592
01:28:24,292 --> 01:28:25,876
and he's chanting the words
1593
01:28:25,959 --> 01:28:27,834
in Arabic "God is great."
1594
01:28:27,918 --> 01:28:29,542
Before anyone
could stop Balawi,
1595
01:28:29,626 --> 01:28:31,292
he fumbles
for his detonator.
1596
01:28:38,459 --> 01:28:40,292
You will be sent
to the hell.
1597
01:28:40,375 --> 01:28:42,042
WARRICK:
Balawi hits a switch,
1598
01:28:42,125 --> 01:28:44,334
blows himself up, and
there's a terrific explosion
1599
01:28:44,417 --> 01:28:47,918
that kills almost everybody
who's within direct sight
1600
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,751
of Balawi at the time
of the explosion.
1601
01:28:49,834 --> 01:28:52,000
MICHAEL WALTZ:
We heard the explosion,
1602
01:28:52,083 --> 01:28:53,918
but when we saw
the smoke coming up
1603
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,292
from exactly where I knew
Chapman was,
1604
01:28:56,375 --> 01:28:59,042
then I knew the base
had been hit.
1605
01:28:59,125 --> 01:29:00,626
We knew that someone
had gotten
1606
01:29:00,709 --> 01:29:01,959
inside the base,
1607
01:29:02,042 --> 01:29:03,709
and we knew that
it was the agency
1608
01:29:03,792 --> 01:29:05,667
that had been hit.
1609
01:29:05,751 --> 01:29:07,584
And we knew it was bad.
1610
01:29:07,667 --> 01:29:13,709
♪
1611
01:29:13,792 --> 01:29:16,500
By the time we got
on the scene,
1612
01:29:16,584 --> 01:29:20,292
it was an ugly scene.
1613
01:29:20,375 --> 01:29:23,042
There were, you know,
parts everywhere.
1614
01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:25,876
The conventional unit
that was there landed--
1615
01:29:25,959 --> 01:29:29,542
the helicopter right
in the courtyard
1616
01:29:29,626 --> 01:29:32,709
and evaced as many of
the wounded as possible.
1617
01:29:32,792 --> 01:29:38,375
You know, he said
Jen didn't make it.
1618
01:29:38,459 --> 01:29:39,542
Uh...
1619
01:29:43,876 --> 01:29:46,584
Her logistics chief
that we had worked with
1620
01:29:46,667 --> 01:29:50,918
to close the base on a daily
basis didn't make it.
1621
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,292
And some of
her case officers
1622
01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:57,209
never made it even
back to--you know,
1623
01:29:57,292 --> 01:29:59,125
they died on the scene.
1624
01:30:07,626 --> 01:30:10,667
RODRIGUEZ: When you do this
and do this and do this,
1625
01:30:10,751 --> 01:30:14,250
eventually you lose one.
1626
01:30:14,334 --> 01:30:15,792
And we lost...
1627
01:30:15,876 --> 01:30:18,667
and we lost
really good people.
1628
01:30:18,751 --> 01:30:25,500
♪
1629
01:30:25,584 --> 01:30:28,417
BAKOS: When I heard that
Jennifer was in Khost...
1630
01:30:30,375 --> 01:30:33,375
I was shocked that she...
1631
01:30:35,167 --> 01:30:40,250
was taken out by bin Laden.
1632
01:30:40,334 --> 01:30:42,250
I mean, that was just--
1633
01:30:42,334 --> 01:30:44,417
that just seemed so surreal
1634
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:46,125
that that would happen
to her.
1635
01:30:46,209 --> 01:30:50,000
You know, after she spent so
many years trying to prevent
1636
01:30:50,083 --> 01:30:52,626
another tragedy by him,
1637
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:54,292
You know, he, in effect,
1638
01:30:54,375 --> 01:30:56,125
had anything
to do with her death,
1639
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:58,125
it's incredibly
disheartening.
1640
01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:05,042
HAYDEN: There was some
criticism of the agency.
1641
01:31:05,125 --> 01:31:07,083
Frankly, I understand that.
1642
01:31:07,167 --> 01:31:10,626
But you don't get
Abbottabad without Khost.
1643
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,876
An agency that's not willing
to take the risks that were
1644
01:31:16,959 --> 01:31:18,542
evident at Khost,
1645
01:31:18,626 --> 01:31:21,626
which unfortunately
ended tragically...
1646
01:31:23,542 --> 01:31:25,792
that agency, if it's not
willing to do that
1647
01:31:25,876 --> 01:31:28,667
is not an agency to do
what it had to do
1648
01:31:28,751 --> 01:31:32,834
to build that trail
all the way to Abbottabad.
1649
01:31:32,918 --> 01:31:37,500
In fact, some of
the human beings who built
1650
01:31:37,584 --> 01:31:41,417
the trail to Abbottabad were
actually killed at Khost.
1651
01:31:44,292 --> 01:31:48,375
It was kind of Team America
in the hunt for bin Laden
1652
01:31:48,459 --> 01:31:50,292
and the fight
against al-Qaeda.
1653
01:31:50,375 --> 01:31:53,709
And there is powerful
connective tissue
1654
01:31:53,792 --> 01:31:55,500
between the two events.
1655
01:31:55,584 --> 01:31:59,667
♪
1656
01:31:59,751 --> 01:32:01,792
[Man speaking foreign language
in voice-over]
1657
01:34:17,834 --> 01:34:24,751
♪
1658
01:34:37,209 --> 01:34:40,334
[Mustafa Ansara speaking
foreign language in voice-over]
1659
01:35:42,959 --> 01:35:44,918
STORER: The hunt
for the courier to bin Laden
1660
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,542
makes complete sense to me.
1661
01:35:47,626 --> 01:35:51,584
It was based on all of these
years of experience working
1662
01:35:51,667 --> 01:35:53,125
with a very tight-knit
group of people
1663
01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:55,834
who really cared about this
and supported each other.
1664
01:35:55,918 --> 01:35:57,918
♪
1665
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,918
We invented the technique
that works,
1666
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,918
and it's the technique that
got bin Laden in the end.
1667
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,876
♪
1668
01:36:06,959 --> 01:36:09,959
I got a call from another--
a former colleague,
1669
01:36:10,042 --> 01:36:14,000
and he said,
"Turn on the news."
1670
01:36:14,083 --> 01:36:15,459
You know, I was at home.
1671
01:36:15,542 --> 01:36:16,751
"Turn on the news.
1672
01:36:16,834 --> 01:36:18,959
The President's going
to make an announcement."
1673
01:36:19,042 --> 01:36:23,000
And I had a feeling
that it's been a good day
1674
01:36:23,083 --> 01:36:24,542
at the office...
1675
01:36:29,334 --> 01:36:30,626
OBAMA: Good evening.
1676
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:34,667
And then finally it's him.
1677
01:36:34,751 --> 01:36:37,500
They got him.
They got him finally.
1678
01:36:43,709 --> 01:36:46,626
That was--yeah,
that was really something.
1679
01:36:48,876 --> 01:36:50,542
[Crowd cheering]
1680
01:36:50,626 --> 01:36:53,459
[Crowd chanting "USA"]
1681
01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:03,751
CROWD MEMBERS: ♪ Na na na na ♪
1682
01:37:03,834 --> 01:37:05,876
♪ Na na na na ♪
1683
01:37:05,959 --> 01:37:07,667
♪ Hey hey hey ♪
1684
01:37:07,751 --> 01:37:08,792
♪ Good-bye... ♪
1685
01:37:08,876 --> 01:37:10,083
SECOND GROUP:
♪ Obama, Obama ♪
1686
01:37:10,167 --> 01:37:11,834
♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪
1687
01:37:11,918 --> 01:37:13,500
♪ Obama, Obama ♪
1688
01:37:13,584 --> 01:37:15,500
♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪
1689
01:37:15,584 --> 01:37:17,125
♪ Obama, Obama ♪
1690
01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:19,125
♪ We fucking killed Osama ♪
1691
01:37:19,209 --> 01:37:20,542
♪ Obama, Obama, we... ♪
1692
01:37:20,626 --> 01:37:22,834
McCHRYSTAL: I'm not sure
America has made the effort
1693
01:37:22,918 --> 01:37:24,417
that it needs to
1694
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,209
to understand what it
is we just went through.
1695
01:37:27,292 --> 01:37:30,584
The really key part is not
how to do these operations;
1696
01:37:30,667 --> 01:37:31,792
the thing to understand is,
1697
01:37:31,876 --> 01:37:34,292
why are the people
that we are fighting
1698
01:37:34,375 --> 01:37:35,751
doing what they're doing?
1699
01:37:35,834 --> 01:37:38,542
Why is the enemy the enemy?
1700
01:37:39,834 --> 01:37:42,209
If you don't understand why
they're doing it,
1701
01:37:42,292 --> 01:37:44,417
it's very difficult to stop.
1702
01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:47,834
[Vehicle horns honking]
1703
01:37:47,918 --> 01:37:49,876
We don't speak
the language enough.
1704
01:37:49,959 --> 01:37:51,709
We don't understand
the culture enough.
1705
01:37:51,792 --> 01:37:57,417
We haven't taken the time to
not be blind, deaf, and dumb
1706
01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:59,667
in areas of the world
that matter to us.
1707
01:38:27,167 --> 01:38:30,167
MARTIN: It's a nice chapter
to close,
1708
01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:32,500
nice chapter to close.
1709
01:38:33,751 --> 01:38:35,584
It's not over.
1710
01:38:35,667 --> 01:38:37,667
Sadly enough, I think
we're gonna
1711
01:38:37,751 --> 01:38:40,042
be in this situation again.
1712
01:38:44,751 --> 01:38:47,042
BAKOS: Bin Laden achieved,
you know, spreading
1713
01:38:47,125 --> 01:38:51,334
his ideology beyond what he
probably expected it to.
1714
01:38:51,417 --> 01:38:54,500
How do you kill an ideology?
1715
01:38:54,584 --> 01:38:56,959
Killing one person doesn't
end that.
1716
01:39:00,125 --> 01:39:01,334
MUDD: I don't like it.
1717
01:39:01,417 --> 01:39:02,834
I don't want it to continue.
I hope it stops.
1718
01:39:02,918 --> 01:39:04,125
I hope we don't live
in a world
1719
01:39:04,209 --> 01:39:05,667
where you deal
with an adversary
1720
01:39:05,751 --> 01:39:08,250
that loses respect for
the sanctity of human life.
1721
01:39:08,334 --> 01:39:09,834
But, look,
this isn't a picture
1722
01:39:09,918 --> 01:39:11,334
from a video arcade.
1723
01:39:11,417 --> 01:39:14,834
This is a human being who
has a family and a soul.
1724
01:39:14,918 --> 01:39:18,584
So when you confront that,
what are you gonna do?
1725
01:39:19,918 --> 01:39:22,542
There are philosophical
debates you can have,
1726
01:39:22,626 --> 01:39:24,250
but at the end of
the day, the question is:
1727
01:39:24,334 --> 01:39:26,709
Are you gonna move
or not? Yes or no?
1728
01:39:26,792 --> 01:39:28,792
Go or no go? That's it.
1729
01:39:32,876 --> 01:39:40,792
♪
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