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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:44,263 --> 00:02:47,099 I got a call at two or three in the morning. 2 00:02:47,475 --> 00:02:48,809 I was told 3 00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:53,439 that Lance Conway Wood was at the sheriff's department. 4 00:02:54,523 --> 00:02:58,319 Sergeant Frank Slack is the one that called me, 5 00:02:58,444 --> 00:03:00,321 and he said... He's telling me this tale 6 00:03:00,446 --> 00:03:02,364 about somebody that was murdered. 7 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:06,160 "I think this guy is on meth or crazy, 8 00:03:06,577 --> 00:03:09,497 but could you come down and help me with this?" 9 00:03:10,206 --> 00:03:11,999 2:40 in the morning. 10 00:03:12,124 --> 00:03:14,084 We're at the Iron County Jail facility 11 00:03:14,668 --> 00:03:16,545 asking some questions of Lance Wood. 12 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:19,882 Lance Wood informs John Grath and Sergeant Slack 13 00:03:20,007 --> 00:03:22,176 that he has some information 14 00:03:22,718 --> 00:03:24,428 about a possible homicide. 15 00:03:26,096 --> 00:03:29,558 He told a horrific tale. 16 00:03:32,186 --> 00:03:34,897 So it was me, Mike... 17 00:03:37,316 --> 00:03:38,984 You're driving down the road. 18 00:03:39,109 --> 00:03:41,070 All I know is that... 19 00:03:43,697 --> 00:03:46,450 he was driving and Mike slit his throat. 20 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:48,963 - While he was driving? - While he's driving, 21 00:03:49,078 --> 00:03:50,996 and then he cut his shoulders, too. 22 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:54,166 All the dude says is "ouch," you know? 23 00:03:54,542 --> 00:03:56,209 And what happened after he cut him? 24 00:03:56,252 --> 00:03:58,003 Cut him, dude pulled over... 25 00:03:58,712 --> 00:04:00,965 Mike had sex with him on top of the... 26 00:04:01,465 --> 00:04:03,342 - With the guy? - With the guy. 27 00:04:04,176 --> 00:04:07,012 I've stayed in the car while this is happening. 28 00:04:07,471 --> 00:04:08,671 He got out, 29 00:04:08,764 --> 00:04:10,621 I know he picked up, like, the tire iron, 30 00:04:10,641 --> 00:04:12,309 start smashing his head. 31 00:04:14,186 --> 00:04:17,731 And I remember thinking, This is too violent, 32 00:04:17,857 --> 00:04:21,694 too sad, too outrageous to be true. 33 00:04:22,987 --> 00:04:26,782 Mike tell you why he killed this Church? 34 00:04:27,575 --> 00:04:29,618 'Cause he's a faggot. 35 00:04:29,743 --> 00:04:31,453 That's what he said? 36 00:04:32,997 --> 00:04:35,249 I was about ready to wrap it up, 37 00:04:35,583 --> 00:04:37,877 and then I remember looking down on his shoe 38 00:04:38,002 --> 00:04:40,462 and I saw one speck of blood. 39 00:04:41,922 --> 00:04:44,884 And that changed everything for me. 40 00:04:51,223 --> 00:04:53,767 So I came out of the closet in 2011 41 00:04:53,934 --> 00:04:55,144 and moved to Utah. 42 00:04:55,728 --> 00:04:58,856 At a certain point, I started researching gay hate crimes. 43 00:04:59,481 --> 00:05:01,483 You ever heard of Matthew Shepard? 44 00:05:01,609 --> 00:05:02,693 I remember the case. 45 00:05:02,818 --> 00:05:06,238 Hit national news. It was huge. 46 00:05:07,823 --> 00:05:09,109 And his name is remembered. 47 00:05:09,158 --> 00:05:10,873 People honor him. There are memorials 48 00:05:10,993 --> 00:05:14,163 and funds and scholarships, and... 49 00:05:14,288 --> 00:05:16,957 - Gordon has been forgotten. - Just kinda drifted away. 50 00:05:17,124 --> 00:05:19,124 I mean, not forgotten by his family, but... 51 00:05:19,209 --> 00:05:21,545 No. No, I know what you mean. 52 00:05:23,464 --> 00:05:25,382 Will you tell us your name, please? 53 00:05:25,507 --> 00:05:27,593 My name is Nancy Church. 54 00:05:27,718 --> 00:05:29,762 And you live in Delta, Utah? 55 00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:31,472 Yes, I do. 56 00:05:31,847 --> 00:05:33,140 Who is your spouse? 57 00:05:33,307 --> 00:05:34,808 David Church. 58 00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:36,696 Can you tell us if you have children, 59 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:38,520 and how many children? 60 00:05:38,646 --> 00:05:40,230 Yes, I do. 61 00:05:40,356 --> 00:05:41,649 I have three sons. 62 00:05:41,774 --> 00:05:44,401 A son Craig, who is in Cedar City, 63 00:05:44,526 --> 00:05:47,237 a son Kevin, who's in Philadelphia, 64 00:05:47,363 --> 00:05:49,949 and a son, Gordon, who's dead. 65 00:05:51,158 --> 00:05:52,493 The case of Gordon Church 66 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:54,828 kind of took over my life at a certain point. 67 00:05:54,995 --> 00:05:56,602 It became kind of a personal mission 68 00:05:56,622 --> 00:05:59,625 to see Gordon remembered and honored. 69 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:04,546 At the age of 28, he was living in Cedar City, Utah, 70 00:06:04,672 --> 00:06:07,091 attending Southern Utah State College 71 00:06:07,216 --> 00:06:08,717 as a theater tech major. 72 00:06:11,345 --> 00:06:14,473 He was a very small guy, I mean, very skinny. 73 00:06:15,849 --> 00:06:17,142 Very nice guy. 74 00:06:17,768 --> 00:06:19,770 He had the perfect '80s hair! 75 00:06:19,895 --> 00:06:22,398 And just... 76 00:06:23,023 --> 00:06:25,526 just a normal 28 year-old. 77 00:06:26,193 --> 00:06:28,654 He loved his family very much, 78 00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:32,491 and his personality reflected that. 79 00:06:34,743 --> 00:06:36,370 With respect to your son Gordon, 80 00:06:36,495 --> 00:06:38,580 where did he live in November of 1988? 81 00:06:39,164 --> 00:06:42,543 November of 1988, he was living in my mother's house. 82 00:06:43,002 --> 00:06:46,046 He had decided that he wanted to go back to school. 83 00:06:46,213 --> 00:06:47,778 And so he rented a room from my mother, 84 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,717 which was more economical for him, 85 00:06:49,842 --> 00:06:51,385 and it helped her out, 86 00:06:51,552 --> 00:06:53,701 because she's retired and living on limited money. 87 00:06:53,721 --> 00:06:55,472 And then he would shovel her snow 88 00:06:55,597 --> 00:06:57,788 and take care of her, and so it was a relief to us 89 00:06:57,808 --> 00:06:59,643 to have someone with my mother. 90 00:07:00,728 --> 00:07:03,147 We would meet pretty much every day 91 00:07:03,272 --> 00:07:05,149 after one of our classes for coffee. 92 00:07:05,274 --> 00:07:07,276 We would just talk. 93 00:07:08,402 --> 00:07:10,404 We'd go cruise Main Street, 94 00:07:10,529 --> 00:07:11,905 the whole five minutes, 95 00:07:12,072 --> 00:07:15,242 and then we'd go park in the park, 96 00:07:15,367 --> 00:07:16,744 and just sit and chat. 97 00:07:19,329 --> 00:07:20,831 He needed an outlet that he... 98 00:07:20,956 --> 00:07:24,626 someone that he could talk to, and so did I. 99 00:07:28,047 --> 00:07:33,218 He tended to seek out people that wouldn't reject him 100 00:07:34,011 --> 00:07:35,637 for what he was. 101 00:07:38,766 --> 00:07:41,060 We used to talk about guys. 102 00:07:41,185 --> 00:07:43,479 We both liked the same kind of guy, 103 00:07:43,604 --> 00:07:46,440 only difference is, Gordon wanted one shorter. 104 00:07:46,607 --> 00:07:47,941 I wanted a six foot two guy, 105 00:07:48,025 --> 00:07:52,488 and he wanted a five foot eight guy. 106 00:07:59,620 --> 00:08:01,997 When I met Gordon, he was a lot more different. 107 00:08:02,122 --> 00:08:04,708 Uh, he... 108 00:08:04,833 --> 00:08:07,044 experimented, is we will call it. 109 00:08:07,169 --> 00:08:10,756 He had many boyfriends, suitors, lovers. 110 00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:13,592 We actually would go to 7-Eleven. 111 00:08:13,717 --> 00:08:17,304 Gordon always got his Mountain Dew, 112 00:08:17,471 --> 00:08:20,182 or in the evenings, the Diet Coke. 113 00:08:21,308 --> 00:08:24,561 And he would get his cigarettes. 114 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:26,220 And that was, 115 00:08:26,772 --> 00:08:28,816 I guess, you could say, both of our vices. 116 00:08:32,694 --> 00:08:34,363 And when I got to college, 117 00:08:34,488 --> 00:08:37,908 that was when I had my first intimate experience ever. 118 00:08:38,367 --> 00:08:42,121 And, Gordon was a big part of that. 119 00:08:42,246 --> 00:08:45,666 And I was like, wow, this is a rush. 120 00:08:45,833 --> 00:08:47,786 I don't want to leave the house any more. 121 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:52,528 Always relaxing, always very comfortable. 122 00:08:52,548 --> 00:08:54,883 He was a nice guy to be around. 123 00:08:56,718 --> 00:08:58,554 Makes me miss him. 124 00:09:05,018 --> 00:09:07,104 Is what you told us... 125 00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:10,858 freely and voluntarily and comes from your own volition? 126 00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:12,484 Yes. 127 00:09:12,609 --> 00:09:13,990 - Nobody's forced you... - No. 128 00:09:14,111 --> 00:09:15,926 I want to know what protection I could receive, 129 00:09:15,946 --> 00:09:17,656 can receive. 130 00:09:17,781 --> 00:09:19,555 Are you frightened because you're afraid of Mike? 131 00:09:19,575 --> 00:09:22,327 Yeah and what he might do, you know? 132 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:27,541 If he's in jail, you know, for just a... 133 00:09:27,708 --> 00:09:30,294 or for at least 72 hours, I can try... 134 00:09:30,419 --> 00:09:32,546 we can probably find a new apartment. 135 00:09:33,005 --> 00:09:34,236 Or we can do better than that. 136 00:09:34,256 --> 00:09:35,549 We're gonna find the body. 137 00:09:35,674 --> 00:09:36,874 - Yes. - Okay. 138 00:09:36,967 --> 00:09:39,469 An apartment for me, though. 139 00:09:40,637 --> 00:09:42,055 Yeah. All right. 140 00:09:42,181 --> 00:09:44,515 Well, we got a long ways to go. First, we gotta... 141 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,311 I'm concerned Mr. Archuleta's on the street, 142 00:09:47,436 --> 00:09:49,980 and in this type of murder... 143 00:09:50,105 --> 00:09:51,982 The murder took place one day ago. 144 00:09:52,107 --> 00:09:54,359 I'm concerned that it's 2:30 in the morning, 145 00:09:54,484 --> 00:09:56,570 you say he's gonna "cruise." 146 00:09:56,737 --> 00:09:57,946 - Yeah. - It tells me 147 00:09:58,071 --> 00:09:59,781 he's gonna leave the area, 148 00:09:59,907 --> 00:10:01,992 and I want to... 149 00:10:02,659 --> 00:10:04,224 make arrangements to go pick him up. 150 00:10:04,244 --> 00:10:06,226 So we'll conclude the interview at this time. 151 00:10:06,246 --> 00:10:07,446 - Thank you. - Alright. 152 00:10:08,081 --> 00:10:11,501 So I remember I called our sheriff, Ira Schoppmann. 153 00:10:12,211 --> 00:10:15,339 And he said, let's put this little feller in the car 154 00:10:15,464 --> 00:10:17,925 and let's go see if we can find us a body. 155 00:10:21,053 --> 00:10:24,348 We got to a turnoff, mile marker 138, 156 00:10:24,473 --> 00:10:27,226 and he said, "I think it's over there." 157 00:10:28,268 --> 00:10:29,895 And they realized that 158 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:31,376 this was something very real. 159 00:10:31,396 --> 00:10:32,940 They had a body on their hands. 160 00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:35,442 And there was a dangerous man still free. 161 00:10:35,567 --> 00:10:37,090 So they rushed back to Cedar City 162 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:38,862 to get Michael Archuleta. 163 00:10:39,446 --> 00:10:41,823 He was with a girlfriend. 164 00:10:41,949 --> 00:10:44,660 They were sleeping in an apartment in a bed. 165 00:10:44,785 --> 00:10:47,621 I remember we kicked the door in. 166 00:10:48,121 --> 00:10:49,581 And I distinctly remember, 167 00:10:49,706 --> 00:10:51,772 because it was one of the highlights of the day, 168 00:10:51,792 --> 00:10:54,753 is a Cedar City police officer 169 00:10:54,878 --> 00:10:57,631 shoving a. 357 Magnum in his mouth, 170 00:10:57,798 --> 00:11:01,385 and, you know, begging him to move. 171 00:11:03,512 --> 00:11:05,847 Archuleta was very compliant. 172 00:11:07,641 --> 00:11:09,142 Denied everything. 173 00:11:09,268 --> 00:11:12,479 And I think before we even asked him any questions, 174 00:11:12,646 --> 00:11:15,315 he was already pointing the finger 175 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,942 at Lance Wood. 176 00:11:19,987 --> 00:11:21,613 Once Archuleta was in custody, 177 00:11:21,738 --> 00:11:23,532 police went back with Lance Wood 178 00:11:23,657 --> 00:11:25,492 to begin processing the crime scene. 179 00:11:25,617 --> 00:11:27,494 The area is Dog Valley area, 180 00:11:27,661 --> 00:11:30,664 located approximately milepost 138. 181 00:11:30,831 --> 00:11:33,125 The scene of a homicide, case number... 182 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:36,044 As I walked forward, taking photographs 183 00:11:36,169 --> 00:11:37,369 from the freeway, 184 00:11:37,504 --> 00:11:38,880 we could see that it was... 185 00:11:39,006 --> 00:11:42,384 it was a red substance on the road. 186 00:11:44,845 --> 00:11:46,045 Hair, 187 00:11:46,179 --> 00:11:47,931 what appeared to be skin. 188 00:11:49,641 --> 00:11:52,060 We knew we had something serious here. 189 00:11:53,353 --> 00:11:55,856 It kind of led us up a trail. 190 00:11:56,023 --> 00:11:58,275 You could see where something had been drug. 191 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,943 We got into the area 192 00:12:00,068 --> 00:12:02,446 where we could see what was underneath there, 193 00:12:02,571 --> 00:12:04,656 and it was a human body. 194 00:12:05,198 --> 00:12:08,410 And I, seeing the body laying there, I thought, 195 00:12:08,535 --> 00:12:11,079 why, I know this guy. I know this guy. 196 00:12:11,955 --> 00:12:13,999 Took a picture of the driver's license. 197 00:12:14,124 --> 00:12:16,251 And then had 198 00:12:16,668 --> 00:12:18,045 Captain Dekker look at it. 199 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,175 And he identified our victim as Gordon Church. 200 00:12:23,633 --> 00:12:24,885 I remember looking at that 201 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:26,928 and seeing the address is Delta, Utah, 202 00:12:27,054 --> 00:12:29,222 and I said, "Oh, crap, I do know this kid." 203 00:12:29,389 --> 00:12:30,766 I hollered up to my sheriff, 204 00:12:30,891 --> 00:12:33,894 and I said, "Sheriff, this is one of our residents." 205 00:12:34,644 --> 00:12:37,606 And I remember we called his neighbor, 206 00:12:38,273 --> 00:12:39,983 the Churchs' neighbor, 207 00:12:40,108 --> 00:12:41,568 was one of our deputies, 208 00:12:41,735 --> 00:12:43,862 to go make the notification. 209 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:45,756 Now that was difficult for him, 210 00:12:45,864 --> 00:12:49,242 because he lived three, four houses away. 211 00:12:49,701 --> 00:12:51,370 When I walked up to the door, 212 00:12:51,495 --> 00:12:54,081 Nancy opened the door, she knew 213 00:12:55,123 --> 00:12:58,627 right off something was wrong. They had been expecting 214 00:12:59,086 --> 00:13:00,420 a call from Gordon. 215 00:13:00,587 --> 00:13:02,635 I think he was coming home for Thanksgiving. 216 00:13:03,298 --> 00:13:04,841 At ten hundred hours, 217 00:13:04,966 --> 00:13:08,762 reporting officer met with Mr. and Mrs. David Church, 218 00:13:08,887 --> 00:13:11,139 the parents of the victim, in Delta. 219 00:13:11,848 --> 00:13:13,468 The Churches had several questions 220 00:13:13,558 --> 00:13:15,894 as to the things that had taken place 221 00:13:16,019 --> 00:13:18,105 in reference to the homicide. 222 00:13:18,855 --> 00:13:21,983 I mean, it just tore them apart. I mean.. 223 00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:24,444 And it was tough, 224 00:13:24,569 --> 00:13:26,655 toughest thing I think I've ever done. 225 00:13:27,989 --> 00:13:30,200 This is KUTV News. 226 00:13:30,325 --> 00:13:33,453 Lack of funding is forcing Utah's first AIDS support group 227 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:35,080 to shut down in January. 228 00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:37,290 We certainly don't need homosexuals 229 00:13:37,457 --> 00:13:38,792 teaching us about AIDS, 230 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:40,816 when we can thank the homosexual community 231 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:43,004 for this scourge in the first place. 232 00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:47,801 But with the fear of the AIDS crisis 233 00:13:47,968 --> 00:13:51,304 that have just came out, you almost fear like, 234 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:52,953 you know, I need to couple up 235 00:13:52,973 --> 00:13:54,413 with somebody who doesn't have it. 236 00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:55,956 I don't even know how you get it, 237 00:13:55,976 --> 00:13:57,561 how you give it to somebody, 238 00:13:57,686 --> 00:13:59,334 or how it's brought out into the relationship, 239 00:13:59,354 --> 00:14:02,164 but I need to find somebody right away that doesn't have it. 240 00:14:02,524 --> 00:14:03,858 Yeah, being gay in the 1980s 241 00:14:03,942 --> 00:14:05,549 was completely different than it is now. 242 00:14:05,569 --> 00:14:09,531 I mean, there were more closeted gays. 243 00:14:09,656 --> 00:14:11,908 It just wasn't as accepted. 244 00:14:12,451 --> 00:14:13,368 He tried to hide it. 245 00:14:13,493 --> 00:14:15,787 He never wanted it to be seen. 246 00:14:15,912 --> 00:14:18,874 And I was actually part of his secret life. 247 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:22,210 As far as being in Cedar, 248 00:14:22,335 --> 00:14:26,506 it's such a tight-knit little Mormon community 249 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,634 that you just didn't show it. 250 00:14:30,302 --> 00:14:31,502 He was... 251 00:14:32,345 --> 00:14:35,807 I think, in his eyes, disappointing his family. 252 00:14:38,643 --> 00:14:41,021 The Church family was... 253 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:44,691 They were just good home-grown people. 254 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,571 They kind of knew that he was not... 255 00:14:51,698 --> 00:14:53,513 that he was not the good little Mormon boy 256 00:14:53,533 --> 00:14:55,202 that they wanted him to be. 257 00:14:56,286 --> 00:14:59,164 What had been... I would describe it as a... 258 00:15:00,123 --> 00:15:03,168 pretty happy and robust family, 259 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,544 the entire Church family. 260 00:15:04,711 --> 00:15:08,507 They were always up, so to speak, you know? 261 00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:10,634 This incident just 262 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:12,719 virtually destroyed that whole family. 263 00:15:12,886 --> 00:15:15,805 It ruined Dave for a while. 264 00:15:15,931 --> 00:15:18,767 He quit going to church. 265 00:15:20,393 --> 00:15:23,271 Really got quiet, never visited with anybody. 266 00:15:23,396 --> 00:15:25,815 It tore him up pretty bad. 267 00:15:26,566 --> 00:15:28,109 It was just a... 268 00:15:29,986 --> 00:15:32,864 life-changing event for a lot of people. 269 00:15:35,534 --> 00:15:39,037 I did not attend Gordon's funeral in Delta, no. 270 00:15:39,162 --> 00:15:41,665 We knew that the family didn't want us there. 271 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:44,167 Because that would have meant to them 272 00:15:44,292 --> 00:15:49,130 accepting the fact that that Gordon was gay. 273 00:16:01,101 --> 00:16:03,562 Well, what I was told in my youth 274 00:16:03,687 --> 00:16:05,564 and growing up years 275 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:07,816 is out in Dog Valley here 276 00:16:09,109 --> 00:16:12,487 that it was heavily infested with prairie dogs. 277 00:16:13,196 --> 00:16:15,824 This is the typical temperature and so on 278 00:16:15,949 --> 00:16:19,869 of the exact morning that all of this occurred, 279 00:16:19,995 --> 00:16:21,454 and the days leading up to it. 280 00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:23,707 It was damn cold weather. 281 00:16:24,165 --> 00:16:28,628 At this point, we got Wood here, we had heard his story. 282 00:16:28,753 --> 00:16:31,464 He had indicated where this had all happened, 283 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:34,843 the homicide had happened, and where the body was. 284 00:16:36,052 --> 00:16:37,679 And I worked the camera, 285 00:16:37,804 --> 00:16:39,431 and on videotape, 286 00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:41,725 he agreed to do what 287 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:45,145 I called a crime scene re-enactment. 288 00:16:46,855 --> 00:16:48,712 We'd be continuation as if we're in a vehicle. 289 00:16:48,732 --> 00:16:50,317 - Okay. - Still in the vehicle, 290 00:16:50,483 --> 00:16:52,152 Archuleta's still driving. 291 00:16:52,319 --> 00:16:53,778 Right. 292 00:16:54,988 --> 00:16:57,782 And I thought, man, this doesn't happen 293 00:16:57,907 --> 00:17:01,453 very often, you get somebody was there 294 00:17:01,828 --> 00:17:03,538 can be a witness. 295 00:17:04,164 --> 00:17:06,479 But as we walked around that crime scene down there... 296 00:17:06,499 --> 00:17:08,273 - You're still in the vehicle? - We're still in the vehicle. 297 00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:10,378 My gut started to churn and I just thought, 298 00:17:10,503 --> 00:17:11,963 this isn't right. 299 00:17:12,088 --> 00:17:15,216 This guy is leading us down this 300 00:17:16,009 --> 00:17:17,469 merry little path... 301 00:17:19,095 --> 00:17:21,681 ...that he wants us to know, and so I've started 302 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:24,893 correcting some of my questions in a different way. 303 00:17:25,018 --> 00:17:27,312 He opened the trunk, and... 304 00:17:28,772 --> 00:17:30,523 he got jerked out of the trunk. 305 00:17:30,649 --> 00:17:32,464 Church dude says, "You're gonna kill me, aren't you?" 306 00:17:32,484 --> 00:17:35,278 Archuleta goes, "No, I'm not gonna kill you." 307 00:17:35,403 --> 00:17:37,072 Lance seemed to be 308 00:17:37,197 --> 00:17:39,741 really excited about telling everybody. 309 00:17:41,826 --> 00:17:44,162 Started lifting him 310 00:17:44,287 --> 00:17:48,166 and he started wrapping the chains around him, 311 00:17:48,291 --> 00:17:50,627 I think the chains, he hooked the chains up. 312 00:17:51,211 --> 00:17:54,339 And then he hooked the jumper cables to the guy's balls. 313 00:17:56,216 --> 00:17:59,052 I mean, we just let him rattle on. 314 00:17:59,552 --> 00:18:01,513 I mean, it's just amazing. 315 00:18:02,055 --> 00:18:04,724 You know, we had decided 316 00:18:04,849 --> 00:18:06,518 that's the take on it, 317 00:18:06,643 --> 00:18:08,024 that's what we were gonna do. 318 00:18:08,144 --> 00:18:09,859 I just didn't trust him at the time. 319 00:18:09,896 --> 00:18:11,272 I could just tell there was 320 00:18:11,398 --> 00:18:13,066 more to it than what he was saying, 321 00:18:13,191 --> 00:18:16,486 and I think everybody was the same way. 322 00:18:20,824 --> 00:18:22,764 Archuleta told me that he'd have to kill him. 323 00:18:22,784 --> 00:18:24,077 On and on and on that day, 324 00:18:24,202 --> 00:18:27,831 from the time of the meeting in Fillmore 325 00:18:28,415 --> 00:18:30,375 on the ride out here, 326 00:18:30,917 --> 00:18:32,335 battin' his gums, 327 00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:36,506 and then out here, he was just all show and tell. 328 00:18:37,215 --> 00:18:39,592 Which arm and which leg did he use? 329 00:18:39,718 --> 00:18:41,099 The guy was laying like this, 330 00:18:41,177 --> 00:18:42,617 so it had to be this arm and this leg. 331 00:18:42,637 --> 00:18:44,889 Was he laying on his back or his stomach? 332 00:18:45,014 --> 00:18:47,016 Oh, I think his... 333 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,438 back, I think, or stomach. Probably stomach. 334 00:18:51,563 --> 00:18:55,066 Lance was enjoying everything he told us about it. 335 00:18:56,151 --> 00:18:57,652 I could see that in his face. 336 00:18:57,777 --> 00:18:59,404 He's, you know, he's laughing 337 00:18:59,529 --> 00:19:01,906 and smiling about things, and... 338 00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:04,033 My God, I wouldn't be 339 00:19:04,159 --> 00:19:07,120 laughing and smiling about beating somebody's head in. 340 00:19:07,912 --> 00:19:11,583 Once again, he told you why he killed Mr. Church? 341 00:19:11,708 --> 00:19:13,752 Yeah, because he's a queer. 342 00:19:29,142 --> 00:19:30,393 With Gordon and I, 343 00:19:30,518 --> 00:19:32,292 I wouldn't say that we were flirtatious, 344 00:19:32,312 --> 00:19:33,396 it was more like 345 00:19:33,521 --> 00:19:35,795 we were just two friends that just loved to giggle 346 00:19:35,815 --> 00:19:36,900 and loved to laugh. 347 00:19:37,025 --> 00:19:38,777 Thing is, as you know, I knew 348 00:19:38,902 --> 00:19:41,654 Jesse was gay, and I knew Gordon was gay, 349 00:19:41,821 --> 00:19:45,450 so the fact that they were together made me happy, too, 350 00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:48,244 because, you know, at least they had each other. 351 00:19:48,953 --> 00:19:50,497 I think we were watching... 352 00:19:51,122 --> 00:19:55,710 I know we were watching the production of Hair. 353 00:19:55,835 --> 00:19:57,253 He was on this side of me, 354 00:19:57,378 --> 00:19:59,589 sitting on the floor, on the couch. 355 00:19:59,714 --> 00:20:01,674 And our hands kind of, 356 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,761 you know, I could feel that my knee was touching his knee, 357 00:20:04,886 --> 00:20:06,346 and that my hand was getting 358 00:20:06,513 --> 00:20:08,181 really close to touching his hand, 359 00:20:08,306 --> 00:20:11,184 and it felt really comfortable, 360 00:20:11,309 --> 00:20:14,687 it felt really good, and he gave me a sense of... 361 00:20:15,313 --> 00:20:17,106 I don't know, this is exciting. 362 00:20:17,232 --> 00:20:19,339 This is something I didn't think I was gonna have 363 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,673 with a really good friend of mine. 364 00:20:20,693 --> 00:20:22,779 There were times when I would be around him, 365 00:20:22,904 --> 00:20:25,532 and he would flame up, 366 00:20:25,698 --> 00:20:28,451 so to speak, and I could see the flames. 367 00:20:28,993 --> 00:20:31,037 And he had a... 368 00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:34,082 like a Streamline, a Streamline trailer. 369 00:20:34,207 --> 00:20:36,376 And so we went back there, 370 00:20:36,543 --> 00:20:38,795 and stayed up till all hours of the night 371 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,380 just sharing stories, 372 00:20:40,547 --> 00:20:42,403 looking out one of the windows and seeing the stars. 373 00:20:42,423 --> 00:20:46,594 The stars was just insanely big and beautiful at the time. 374 00:20:46,719 --> 00:20:49,138 I remember, as a young adult, 375 00:20:49,264 --> 00:20:51,079 that was the first time I ever noticed that 376 00:20:51,099 --> 00:20:53,601 the stars are so thick down in southern Utah. 377 00:20:53,726 --> 00:20:57,480 It's the sky, it's just so full. 378 00:20:59,482 --> 00:21:01,047 And I remember the phrase in my head 379 00:21:01,067 --> 00:21:03,778 that I carried, from now until then. 380 00:21:03,903 --> 00:21:05,238 I just remember 381 00:21:05,363 --> 00:21:06,678 when you're holding each other so tight, 382 00:21:06,698 --> 00:21:09,117 and it just feels so good and so connected, 383 00:21:09,242 --> 00:21:10,807 that when you look down and you can't see 384 00:21:10,827 --> 00:21:12,287 whose arm belongs to who, 385 00:21:12,412 --> 00:21:14,581 and whose leg belongs to who, 386 00:21:14,747 --> 00:21:16,791 and in the distance you look out the window 387 00:21:16,916 --> 00:21:18,356 and you just see all those stars, 388 00:21:18,376 --> 00:21:20,336 and I mean, I was in love. 389 00:21:27,093 --> 00:21:29,637 Jesse left Cedar City at a certain point, 390 00:21:29,762 --> 00:21:32,599 and he and Gordon were dating long distance for a while. 391 00:21:32,765 --> 00:21:35,101 It put a lot of strain on their relationship. 392 00:21:35,727 --> 00:21:37,270 When we talked on the telephone, 393 00:21:37,437 --> 00:21:39,335 it was one of the last conversations we had. 394 00:21:39,355 --> 00:21:41,900 He would say things are gonna be okay, 395 00:21:42,442 --> 00:21:43,693 and I cried. 396 00:21:43,818 --> 00:21:45,278 And I just thought 397 00:21:45,403 --> 00:21:47,906 I don't understand what's going on here right now. 398 00:21:49,073 --> 00:21:50,550 A few months later, I remember, 399 00:21:50,617 --> 00:21:54,162 getting a phone call from one of my good friends, Loy. 400 00:21:54,871 --> 00:21:57,665 Loy had told me that 401 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:00,460 that Gordon was dead. 402 00:22:06,841 --> 00:22:08,801 I just couldn't understand. 403 00:22:13,306 --> 00:22:17,435 I just couldn't understand how somebody could do that. 404 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:24,651 How somebody could do that to another human being, you know? 405 00:22:24,776 --> 00:22:26,611 It was just not right. 406 00:22:27,904 --> 00:22:29,530 Especially to Gordon. 407 00:22:34,285 --> 00:22:38,373 I wish that when he had passed away, 408 00:22:39,415 --> 00:22:41,250 that I could tell his parents, 409 00:22:41,376 --> 00:22:44,337 his family, you know, 410 00:22:44,462 --> 00:22:45,755 that this is 411 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,320 not necessarily the way he wanted to come out to you, 412 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:49,634 but he's a good person. 413 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,387 And he had a good soul and a good heart. 414 00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:55,143 Gordon wouldn't have that kind of coming out story. 415 00:22:55,181 --> 00:22:57,016 He wouldn't have anybody to hold him. 416 00:22:57,141 --> 00:22:58,998 This was how the people were holding him. 417 00:22:59,018 --> 00:23:00,269 They're killing him! 418 00:23:00,395 --> 00:23:03,856 And there's nobody in that room... 419 00:23:06,526 --> 00:23:08,861 Who's gonna be able to talk to him 420 00:23:09,028 --> 00:23:11,030 and tell him, you know, 421 00:23:11,155 --> 00:23:13,157 "I still love you," or, 422 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,576 "It's gonna be okay." 423 00:23:27,088 --> 00:23:28,881 Some time later, we decided 424 00:23:29,048 --> 00:23:30,668 that we've got to arrest this guy, 425 00:23:30,717 --> 00:23:33,594 although we didn't have anything to hold him on the murder. 426 00:23:34,095 --> 00:23:36,931 When I got there, I was advised 427 00:23:37,056 --> 00:23:40,435 to take custody of Lance Wood. 428 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,760 They wanted to do 429 00:23:41,853 --> 00:23:44,272 what they call a Code R kit, or a rape kit. 430 00:23:44,647 --> 00:23:47,066 He wanted to appear to be very helpful. 431 00:23:47,191 --> 00:23:50,194 He wanted to appear to be the good guy. 432 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:54,240 That his involvement was minor and out here, 433 00:23:54,407 --> 00:23:56,534 and this other guy was the animal. 434 00:24:01,748 --> 00:24:03,510 At this point, you have to understand 435 00:24:03,624 --> 00:24:06,753 that we have two criminal defendants, 436 00:24:06,878 --> 00:24:09,464 two people who just got out of prison, 437 00:24:09,589 --> 00:24:12,508 pointing the finger at each other. 438 00:24:12,633 --> 00:24:15,845 We got Lance Conway Wood with blood on his shoe, 439 00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:18,890 and the person that took us to the crime scene, 440 00:24:19,015 --> 00:24:22,060 telling us that he had nothing to do with it. 441 00:24:22,185 --> 00:24:24,185 And then we have Michael Anthony Archuleta, 442 00:24:24,270 --> 00:24:27,315 saying, "What does this have to do with me? 443 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,776 I did nothing, I'm here with my girlfriend, 444 00:24:29,942 --> 00:24:31,360 trying to sleep." 445 00:24:31,486 --> 00:24:34,030 So we went back to Cedar City, 446 00:24:34,155 --> 00:24:35,573 Thanksgiving night, 447 00:24:35,698 --> 00:24:40,078 interviewed Archuleta till wee hours in the morning. 448 00:24:44,749 --> 00:24:47,585 I guess, why don't you just start 449 00:24:48,628 --> 00:24:52,632 and just tell us how did you meet this guy. 450 00:24:52,965 --> 00:24:55,551 On Main Street. 451 00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:01,766 He advised us at that time, 452 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,415 you know, that they were both... 453 00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:06,312 he and Wood were both willing participants in this. 454 00:25:06,729 --> 00:25:08,606 Lance walked up to him. 455 00:25:09,816 --> 00:25:12,110 He grabbed his neck and tried to break it. 456 00:25:12,235 --> 00:25:15,655 He grabbed it from, like this behind and twisted it. 457 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:17,156 They all lied. 458 00:25:17,323 --> 00:25:19,325 Wood lied, Archuleta lied, 459 00:25:19,492 --> 00:25:21,786 and, if you saw that scene, 460 00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:24,997 I think anybody that was even involved in that would lie, 461 00:25:25,164 --> 00:25:28,459 because you do not want to be associated with what happened. 462 00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:32,922 Yet Lance is saying that you killed the man. 463 00:25:33,756 --> 00:25:36,384 You're saying that Lance killed him. 464 00:25:38,427 --> 00:25:40,847 How are we gonna know who's telling the truth? 465 00:25:41,848 --> 00:25:44,100 I guess it's my word against his. 466 00:25:44,225 --> 00:25:46,207 Yeah, that's kind of what it is, right now, 467 00:25:46,227 --> 00:25:47,427 I guess. 468 00:25:47,812 --> 00:25:50,064 The stories just weren't making any sense. 469 00:25:50,189 --> 00:25:52,441 They weren't from the beginning. 470 00:25:53,025 --> 00:25:56,028 I've heard enough stories to know when blinds are coming. 471 00:25:56,195 --> 00:25:57,864 And I believed blinds were coming. 472 00:25:58,781 --> 00:26:00,908 Things have a way of working out. 473 00:26:01,033 --> 00:26:03,828 The truth is gonna come out sooner or later. 474 00:26:04,203 --> 00:26:05,121 Yeah. 475 00:26:05,246 --> 00:26:06,956 And it does. 476 00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:09,856 Whether you want to tell me the truth or not, 477 00:26:09,876 --> 00:26:11,076 but, you know... 478 00:26:11,627 --> 00:26:14,630 I'm gonna find out what the hell the truth is. 479 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:19,594 It was a crime that needed to be solved, 480 00:26:19,719 --> 00:26:21,304 and it's too bad, 481 00:26:21,429 --> 00:26:24,348 but in a way we owed that to Lance Conway Wood. 482 00:26:25,683 --> 00:26:28,352 But we still have him being involved in the crime 483 00:26:28,477 --> 00:26:30,062 and trying to get himself out 484 00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:33,232 by coming to tell us the things that he told us. 485 00:26:33,357 --> 00:26:34,557 And saying, look at me, 486 00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:36,485 I'm free and clean, I didn't do this. 487 00:26:36,611 --> 00:26:38,176 I'm just trying to help you guys out, 488 00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:39,396 'cause I'm a good guy. 489 00:26:39,488 --> 00:26:41,282 He's not a good guy. 490 00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:45,536 If what you tried to tell us thus far 491 00:26:45,661 --> 00:26:48,581 were the truth, then why were you lying to us? 492 00:26:48,998 --> 00:26:50,249 About lots of things. 493 00:26:50,416 --> 00:26:52,335 Not lots of things. 494 00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:56,339 There is just a couple of things left out. 495 00:26:57,757 --> 00:26:59,550 You need to level with us, young man, 496 00:26:59,675 --> 00:27:01,177 if that's what you want to do. 497 00:27:01,302 --> 00:27:03,971 I think that's the right and the proper thing to do. 498 00:27:04,096 --> 00:27:06,807 And what's gonna happen to me then, though? 499 00:27:07,808 --> 00:27:10,394 What do you mean, what's gonna happen to you then? 500 00:27:10,853 --> 00:27:13,648 What's gonna happen to me then, you know? 501 00:27:14,815 --> 00:27:16,292 I don't understand the question 502 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,972 "What's gonna happen to you then?" 503 00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:19,528 Uh... 504 00:27:22,698 --> 00:27:24,992 The parts I told you what happened 505 00:27:25,117 --> 00:27:27,245 up at the murder scene was true. 506 00:27:28,246 --> 00:27:30,122 Some parts I left out. 507 00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:33,167 You weren't sitting in the car this whole time. 508 00:27:33,292 --> 00:27:35,211 Don't give me that nonsense. 509 00:27:35,336 --> 00:27:37,296 I was sitting in the car. 510 00:27:37,463 --> 00:27:38,339 No, you weren't. 511 00:27:38,464 --> 00:27:39,548 Yes, I was. 512 00:27:39,674 --> 00:27:41,050 I don't believe that. 513 00:27:41,175 --> 00:27:43,427 You know, if you want to jerk us around, 514 00:27:43,552 --> 00:27:45,409 play games, I'm not gonna do that with you. 515 00:27:45,429 --> 00:27:47,203 Lance, I'm telling you that right now. 516 00:27:47,223 --> 00:27:48,474 You know, you come to us 517 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,060 like you're kind of the victim here, 518 00:27:51,185 --> 00:27:54,313 that Archuleta did the whole darn thing, 519 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,898 and you're scared of him, 520 00:27:56,023 --> 00:27:58,089 and you didn't know what to do, and all this nonsense. 521 00:27:58,109 --> 00:28:01,654 And yet, you come with a bunch of half-truths, 522 00:28:01,779 --> 00:28:04,490 you leave out a whole bunch of stuff. 523 00:28:05,283 --> 00:28:08,411 It doesn't cut it, man, you know, it doesn't wash. 524 00:28:08,536 --> 00:28:10,454 You haven't told us the truth. 525 00:28:10,579 --> 00:28:12,665 And there isn't anybody in the world 526 00:28:12,832 --> 00:28:14,500 who's gonna believe that. 527 00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:17,628 And that doesn't look good for you, I don't think. 528 00:28:17,753 --> 00:28:19,880 You're sitting there and trying to... 529 00:28:20,673 --> 00:28:22,216 I don't know what the word is, 530 00:28:22,341 --> 00:28:24,051 to manipulate the system. 531 00:28:24,176 --> 00:28:27,513 You wanna get immunity, and stuff like that. 532 00:28:27,638 --> 00:28:28,931 It's not gonna work. 533 00:28:29,056 --> 00:28:31,726 I can tell you that, right up front. 534 00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:38,024 I don't see any remorse in you, 535 00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:39,567 right here, right now. 536 00:28:39,692 --> 00:28:41,736 And I don't understand that. 537 00:28:41,861 --> 00:28:43,362 Remorse? What do you mean? 538 00:28:43,487 --> 00:28:45,156 You know what remorse means? 539 00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:47,567 Yeah, I know remorse, but what? Remorse for what? 540 00:28:47,992 --> 00:28:49,994 For killing a man's life! 541 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:51,579 And you were 542 00:28:51,704 --> 00:28:54,373 very much involved in that thing. 543 00:28:54,498 --> 00:28:58,002 You didn't do a damn thing to save him, did you? 544 00:28:58,419 --> 00:28:59,712 You were involved... 545 00:28:59,837 --> 00:29:01,672 I tell you lot of things, and... 546 00:29:03,841 --> 00:29:06,510 I did what I had to do. 547 00:29:07,219 --> 00:29:10,473 You can believe that or not, but I can prove that. 548 00:29:10,598 --> 00:29:12,288 Why, that's what you're gonna have to do, 549 00:29:12,308 --> 00:29:14,643 - young man. - I know. 550 00:29:14,769 --> 00:29:16,604 The bottom line is, 551 00:29:16,729 --> 00:29:18,898 both of those guys killed this guy. 552 00:29:19,523 --> 00:29:21,901 And nobody's more innocent than the other. 553 00:29:22,276 --> 00:29:24,945 Both of them were involved. Both of them were... 554 00:29:27,406 --> 00:29:28,783 devils. 555 00:29:31,077 --> 00:29:33,913 I think both of them lied to the bitter end, 556 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,414 and I think if you 557 00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:37,041 interviewed them today, 558 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,043 they'd lie to you today. 559 00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:42,546 Look. 560 00:29:42,671 --> 00:29:44,882 And I don't make any excuses what I did. 561 00:29:45,841 --> 00:29:48,010 But some way, and the point, 562 00:29:48,135 --> 00:29:51,138 is that I know that I didn't murder Gordon Church. 563 00:30:04,443 --> 00:30:05,736 We were in shock. 564 00:30:05,861 --> 00:30:07,093 Utter, I mean, shock, couldn't even believe it, 565 00:30:07,113 --> 00:30:08,636 He had just been here at the house, 566 00:30:08,656 --> 00:30:10,221 and I thought, Well, Mike is not capable 567 00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:11,784 of anything that bad. 568 00:30:12,535 --> 00:30:15,413 But then I thought, you know, something, when he's drugging 569 00:30:15,538 --> 00:30:16,831 and drinking, 570 00:30:16,956 --> 00:30:19,004 I guess he's capable of just about anything. 571 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,003 So when the police officers came here, 572 00:30:23,129 --> 00:30:25,673 I came over and sat with Mom and Dad, 573 00:30:25,798 --> 00:30:27,675 and they went downstairs into his room 574 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,094 and found some things that 575 00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:31,720 had belonged to Gordon 576 00:30:31,846 --> 00:30:35,057 that Mike had had and left downstairs in our basement. 577 00:30:35,474 --> 00:30:37,289 And so it just it just went from there, 578 00:30:37,309 --> 00:30:39,603 you know, the nightmare began. 579 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:45,443 Get that camera out of my face. 580 00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:48,968 Did Mike ever admit to you what happened, 581 00:30:48,988 --> 00:30:51,574 - or did he give you the details? - No. 582 00:30:52,658 --> 00:30:53,858 He's talked to Peggy 583 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:55,516 more than to anybody else, I will say. 584 00:30:55,536 --> 00:30:56,829 He's told me, he says, 585 00:30:56,954 --> 00:30:58,686 I'll take responsibility for what I did, Mom. 586 00:30:58,706 --> 00:31:00,516 He says, and I know what you've heard. 587 00:31:00,583 --> 00:31:01,856 Here's what I want you to know, 588 00:31:01,876 --> 00:31:02,918 that I didn't do those horrible things, 589 00:31:03,043 --> 00:31:04,295 but I did do some. 590 00:31:04,837 --> 00:31:06,213 It's just shocking. 591 00:31:06,338 --> 00:31:08,174 You just can't even believe that 592 00:31:08,299 --> 00:31:11,135 my little brother, this little boy that I, you know, 593 00:31:11,594 --> 00:31:12,794 that I watched grow up, 594 00:31:12,887 --> 00:31:14,649 that I knew was a troubled young man, 595 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,058 that he was capable of doing such things. 596 00:31:20,686 --> 00:31:22,480 Archuleta's parents 597 00:31:23,189 --> 00:31:24,482 were good people. 598 00:31:26,358 --> 00:31:27,902 He was in a very 599 00:31:28,027 --> 00:31:31,864 loving family setting with his adopted parents. 600 00:31:32,031 --> 00:31:33,651 Oh, he was an adorable little boy. 601 00:31:33,741 --> 00:31:36,494 First time I saw him, he was hell on wheels. 602 00:31:37,745 --> 00:31:39,538 We went to the adoption agency, 603 00:31:39,663 --> 00:31:40,748 and they had him there to meet us. 604 00:31:40,873 --> 00:31:42,521 And there was the cutest little boy 605 00:31:42,541 --> 00:31:43,959 with a head full of curls. 606 00:31:44,084 --> 00:31:45,608 And he was sitting in the middle of the floor, 607 00:31:45,628 --> 00:31:47,276 and he'd emptied a whole box of crayons, 608 00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:48,903 and he was just throwing them in the air, 609 00:31:48,923 --> 00:31:51,091 just like raining down on him and laughing. 610 00:31:51,217 --> 00:31:54,929 And we're like, whoa, but that was Michael. 611 00:31:55,721 --> 00:31:57,244 I mean, he was all over the place. 612 00:31:57,264 --> 00:31:59,163 And I looked at him, and we were gonna take him forever, 613 00:31:59,183 --> 00:32:01,183 and I knew that little boy's gonna be mine. 614 00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,564 He arrived with a paper bag 615 00:32:05,689 --> 00:32:07,441 With some white t-shirts 616 00:32:07,566 --> 00:32:09,485 and maybe a pair of jeans. 617 00:32:09,610 --> 00:32:11,570 Those were his worldly belongings. 618 00:32:12,071 --> 00:32:14,573 He'd come to the door and he says, "Hi, I'm Michael." 619 00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:18,160 And I says, "And I'm Stella." 620 00:32:18,285 --> 00:32:20,996 "Are you my mom?" I says, "Yeah, I'll be your mom." 621 00:32:21,705 --> 00:32:23,082 When we met Mike, 622 00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:25,876 he had been in foster care for a number of years, 623 00:32:26,001 --> 00:32:28,921 and he had been placed in numerous foster homes. 624 00:32:29,088 --> 00:32:32,174 They told us seven different foster homes 625 00:32:32,299 --> 00:32:34,134 in a four-year period. 626 00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:35,710 From what we gathered, 627 00:32:35,803 --> 00:32:37,368 he'd been born to a teenage mother. 628 00:32:37,388 --> 00:32:38,889 His mother had, 629 00:32:39,014 --> 00:32:41,767 at 16, had actively been engaged 630 00:32:41,934 --> 00:32:44,687 in drugs, alcohol and prostitution. 631 00:32:44,812 --> 00:32:46,772 And he had scars on his bottom, 632 00:32:46,897 --> 00:32:50,859 like he'd sat on or been sat on a hot grate. 633 00:32:50,985 --> 00:32:53,612 He had little criss-crosses, and he had 634 00:32:53,779 --> 00:32:57,199 cigarette burn marks on his legs. 635 00:32:58,117 --> 00:32:59,765 One time, I had to go to his school, 636 00:32:59,785 --> 00:33:01,267 'cause they called me and told me 637 00:33:01,287 --> 00:33:02,935 Mike has barricaded himself in the bathroom 638 00:33:02,955 --> 00:33:05,833 with a ball bat, and he won't let nobody in. 639 00:33:06,458 --> 00:33:07,835 So I went over there, 640 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,962 and I knocked on the door, 641 00:33:10,129 --> 00:33:11,714 I says, "Mike, are you in there?" 642 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,133 And he says, "Yes, I'm not coming out." 643 00:33:14,258 --> 00:33:16,115 I says, "Well, let me in." He says, "Okay." 644 00:33:16,135 --> 00:33:17,707 So I went in, and I talked to him 645 00:33:17,803 --> 00:33:19,972 and I got him out and I took him home. 646 00:33:20,139 --> 00:33:21,390 They says, Well, 647 00:33:21,515 --> 00:33:23,539 we can't have him in class, he's too disruptive. 648 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,060 He was a troublemaker. 649 00:33:25,185 --> 00:33:27,459 He just seemed to always be in, you know, in trouble. 650 00:33:27,479 --> 00:33:30,357 Not that he was maliciously trying to get in trouble, 651 00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:32,901 but he just always found it. 652 00:33:33,402 --> 00:33:34,862 Went out for Halloween, 653 00:33:34,987 --> 00:33:36,468 he says, "Those hippies in that apartment down there 654 00:33:36,488 --> 00:33:38,616 put razor blades in my apple." 655 00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:41,076 And I says, 656 00:33:41,869 --> 00:33:43,329 "What happened?" I mean, 657 00:33:43,454 --> 00:33:44,788 "Did they check them out?" 658 00:33:44,913 --> 00:33:46,645 they're not supposed to give out apples, anyway." 659 00:33:46,665 --> 00:33:48,147 "No," he says, "It had razor blades." 660 00:33:48,167 --> 00:33:49,773 Well, my mother called me in the other room 661 00:33:49,793 --> 00:33:52,338 and she says, "Well, Jerry and I watched him, 662 00:33:52,504 --> 00:33:55,174 and he put the razor blades in that apple himself. 663 00:33:55,341 --> 00:33:57,437 He's trying to get somebody else in trouble." 664 00:33:57,593 --> 00:34:02,514 He was always getting expelled or asked to leave, 665 00:34:02,681 --> 00:34:05,309 or he couldn't go back. 666 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:09,271 And so, he had to go to school somewhere, 667 00:34:09,396 --> 00:34:11,690 and so he started going into facilities 668 00:34:11,857 --> 00:34:14,902 in order to be able to go to school. 669 00:34:15,402 --> 00:34:18,822 It seems like he turned 13 at the state hospital. 670 00:34:22,743 --> 00:34:24,016 And when he came back from there, 671 00:34:24,036 --> 00:34:26,789 he was different, he was more quiet, 672 00:34:26,914 --> 00:34:29,083 more subdued, more... 673 00:34:29,208 --> 00:34:32,252 He wasn't so out in the open with everything he did. 674 00:34:32,378 --> 00:34:34,046 He was kind of like more secretive. 675 00:34:34,213 --> 00:34:37,007 We didn't learn it at the time, we found out since. 676 00:34:37,132 --> 00:34:39,635 There was, a psych tech, they call him, 677 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,960 that had befriended him, 678 00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:42,846 and used to take him home on weekends 679 00:34:42,971 --> 00:34:44,431 to help him do yard work. 680 00:34:44,556 --> 00:34:46,308 And we found out then that 681 00:34:46,433 --> 00:34:48,560 that he had been sexually abusing Michael. 682 00:34:48,727 --> 00:34:52,231 And when he came out, he was acting up more than ever. 683 00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,357 He was sneaking cigarettes and beer 684 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,486 and sneaking out the window and little things like that. 685 00:34:57,611 --> 00:35:00,572 He even went looking for the person years later, 686 00:35:00,739 --> 00:35:02,054 you know, going to the house 687 00:35:02,074 --> 00:35:03,347 where he remembered going to help 688 00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:05,953 work in the yard, looking for him to... 689 00:35:06,912 --> 00:35:08,914 get even, retaliate, I don't know. 690 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,239 But he had a lot of anger 691 00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:12,209 and a lot of bitterness about that. 692 00:35:23,429 --> 00:35:25,931 Lance Wood grew up in Bountiful, Utah, 693 00:35:26,098 --> 00:35:27,766 in a very loving LDS family. 694 00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:29,768 He was the youngest of four kids, 695 00:35:29,935 --> 00:35:31,507 and had a pretty happy childhood. 696 00:35:31,603 --> 00:35:33,897 I found out that I was adopted, 697 00:35:34,022 --> 00:35:37,067 I believe, when I was 12 years old. 698 00:35:38,277 --> 00:35:42,406 I can't say that was the beginning of my problems, 699 00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:44,700 but it did escalate from there, 700 00:35:44,825 --> 00:35:46,577 in all sense of the word. 701 00:35:46,702 --> 00:35:48,475 I should have went to college, I should have, you know... 702 00:35:48,495 --> 00:35:50,018 Given all the things that I went through, 703 00:35:50,038 --> 00:35:51,749 and yet I chose a criminal life, 704 00:35:51,874 --> 00:35:53,167 and just not the murder, 705 00:35:53,292 --> 00:35:55,294 but my extensive criminal activity 706 00:35:55,419 --> 00:35:56,462 prior to that. 707 00:35:56,628 --> 00:35:58,422 And there was really no sense of it. 708 00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:01,133 I mean, I was stealing things that 709 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,302 I didn't want or need, 710 00:36:03,427 --> 00:36:05,554 you know, so maybe it was oppression. 711 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:06,965 When I was being oppressive 712 00:36:12,811 --> 00:36:16,106 Tell me when you first met Archuleta. 713 00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:18,358 In, I think... 714 00:36:18,484 --> 00:36:20,819 Cedar City Correctional Facility. 715 00:36:21,612 --> 00:36:24,156 Now, you've now been paroled. 716 00:36:24,323 --> 00:36:27,493 And how is it you both ended up back down here in Cedar City? 717 00:36:28,118 --> 00:36:30,788 Because of Paula. Paula Jones. 718 00:36:30,913 --> 00:36:32,498 Okay. It's a girlfriend. 719 00:36:32,664 --> 00:36:34,500 And you ended up here because of... 720 00:36:34,625 --> 00:36:35,825 Brenda. 721 00:36:35,918 --> 00:36:36,835 Brenda. 722 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,253 And Paula, yeah. 723 00:36:38,378 --> 00:36:39,902 Paula and Brenda are living together. 724 00:36:39,922 --> 00:36:40,964 Okay, so prison inmates 725 00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:42,424 meet local girls, 726 00:36:42,549 --> 00:36:44,468 and come back to live there. Okay. 727 00:36:50,682 --> 00:36:52,434 And he was a nice-looking guy. 728 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,147 Not something that you would expect to see behind bars. 729 00:36:58,857 --> 00:37:01,902 Well, she worked as a DJ at the radio station. 730 00:37:02,778 --> 00:37:05,322 I called them up and donated some tapes 731 00:37:06,865 --> 00:37:09,743 and we kind of got hooked up from there. 732 00:37:09,868 --> 00:37:12,287 Well, of course it was behind glass, 733 00:37:12,412 --> 00:37:14,706 but he would call, 734 00:37:15,123 --> 00:37:17,459 and so we would talk for hours. 735 00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:19,461 A lot of it was, you know, 736 00:37:19,586 --> 00:37:22,631 about how he could change his life 737 00:37:22,756 --> 00:37:24,925 once he got paroled out. 738 00:37:26,301 --> 00:37:28,637 We were supposed to get married. 739 00:37:29,429 --> 00:37:33,851 Things worked a little different once he got out. 740 00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:38,188 It's fortunate, probably, that we didn't get married, 741 00:37:38,313 --> 00:37:42,150 and, you know, and all this, but... 742 00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:47,531 It was difficult for her. 743 00:37:49,324 --> 00:37:52,202 Lance was lazy, you know? 744 00:37:52,327 --> 00:37:54,538 The things that we had talked about... 745 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,002 It wasn't the same, and there was just 746 00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:02,546 a very strange feeling. 747 00:38:05,048 --> 00:38:06,425 Relationships that I had, 748 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:08,886 had not been meaningful relationships, 749 00:38:10,137 --> 00:38:11,618 and the feeling of love is there, 750 00:38:11,638 --> 00:38:13,932 but it's always the next one, you know. 751 00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:15,998 After that one, I wanted to move on 752 00:38:16,018 --> 00:38:17,416 to the next one and the next one. 753 00:38:17,436 --> 00:38:19,479 It was no difference with Brenda. 754 00:38:21,857 --> 00:38:24,276 And so I had an apartment set up for him, 755 00:38:24,401 --> 00:38:26,987 and the original plan was just, 756 00:38:27,112 --> 00:38:29,489 you know, Paula and me and... 757 00:38:31,992 --> 00:38:33,577 Lance, to live there. 758 00:38:34,745 --> 00:38:37,289 And so Mike and Paula started a relationship. 759 00:38:37,456 --> 00:38:39,146 I think he thought he was gonna go down there 760 00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:41,793 and be with her and they were gonna get married 761 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,462 and live happily ever after. 762 00:38:43,587 --> 00:38:46,173 And then we found out that Mike was on his way 763 00:38:46,298 --> 00:38:48,592 up to Cedar City. 764 00:38:49,301 --> 00:38:51,219 Me and Brenda, you know, we're scared. 765 00:38:51,345 --> 00:38:54,181 We informed my parole officer beforehand, 766 00:38:54,306 --> 00:38:58,560 and they said they knew that something was gonna happen. 767 00:38:58,685 --> 00:39:00,228 And I warned them, 768 00:39:01,146 --> 00:39:03,065 and they didn't take precautions. 769 00:39:03,523 --> 00:39:04,775 Did he ever threaten you 770 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:06,443 during any of these contacts? 771 00:39:06,818 --> 00:39:08,070 Not really, 772 00:39:08,195 --> 00:39:10,197 but you could tell that he 773 00:39:10,322 --> 00:39:12,783 had some kind of problem with me. 774 00:39:13,492 --> 00:39:15,160 How could you tell? 775 00:39:15,285 --> 00:39:17,047 He just had this attitude towards me. 776 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:19,873 When, or did you and him ever leave alone? 777 00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:22,112 Did you and him ever leave alone? 778 00:39:22,167 --> 00:39:23,877 7-Eleven, sometimes. 779 00:39:25,587 --> 00:39:27,381 Can you tell the court and the jury 780 00:39:27,506 --> 00:39:29,983 when the last time was that you recall seeing Gordon? 781 00:39:30,425 --> 00:39:33,303 November the 19th, 1988. 782 00:39:34,262 --> 00:39:36,556 We had gone down to Cedar City, 783 00:39:36,974 --> 00:39:38,392 to see our boys. 784 00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:42,187 Gordon didn't make too much money at K-Mart, 785 00:39:42,354 --> 00:39:43,772 and I was always concerned 786 00:39:43,897 --> 00:39:45,732 whether he had enough money or not. 787 00:39:46,692 --> 00:39:47,892 I asked him to... 788 00:39:48,026 --> 00:39:50,529 you know, how things were going financially. 789 00:39:50,696 --> 00:39:52,803 I tried to do that in private and those kind of things, 790 00:39:52,823 --> 00:39:55,450 because he hated to take money from me. 791 00:39:55,575 --> 00:39:57,077 I asked him how he was doing, 792 00:39:57,202 --> 00:39:59,162 and he said, "Fine, pretty good." 793 00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:02,140 And that's what he always used to say, "pretty good." 794 00:40:02,499 --> 00:40:03,917 And I always knew that meant, 795 00:40:04,042 --> 00:40:05,293 "not really well." 796 00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:08,463 So I just gave him a 20 dollar bill. 797 00:40:10,382 --> 00:40:13,135 The last time I spoke to Gordon 798 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,178 I was sitting in my car. 799 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:16,930 And I looked up, 800 00:40:17,055 --> 00:40:19,099 and I saw Gordon with his backpack on, 801 00:40:19,224 --> 00:40:20,517 and I had a feeling 802 00:40:20,642 --> 00:40:22,595 it was the last time I was gonna see him. 803 00:40:23,979 --> 00:40:26,857 Gordon and I were supposed to get together 804 00:40:27,607 --> 00:40:30,902 to go to dinner, it was the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. 805 00:40:31,403 --> 00:40:33,552 He had called and said that he was going to run 806 00:40:33,572 --> 00:40:35,365 to the 7-Eleven to grab cigarettes 807 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:37,492 and then he was going to be over and 808 00:40:37,617 --> 00:40:39,953 we waited, I think, about two hours. 809 00:40:46,877 --> 00:40:49,921 According to Lance, this is where they met Gordon. 810 00:40:50,589 --> 00:40:53,175 And Gordon agreed to give them a ride around. 811 00:40:54,217 --> 00:40:55,552 You'd never met this... 812 00:40:55,677 --> 00:40:57,596 I never met this guy before. 813 00:40:57,721 --> 00:40:59,453 What did he tell you, did he live there in Cedar? 814 00:40:59,473 --> 00:41:00,912 Yeah, he told me he lived there in Cedar. 815 00:41:00,932 --> 00:41:02,309 Lived with his grandma, 816 00:41:02,434 --> 00:41:04,387 explained about his family on the way up. 817 00:41:05,812 --> 00:41:07,981 Him and Mike communicated the most 818 00:41:08,106 --> 00:41:09,024 during that period of time. 819 00:41:09,149 --> 00:41:11,193 My concentration was the women, 820 00:41:11,318 --> 00:41:13,258 you know, driving up and down in the cars. 821 00:41:13,278 --> 00:41:15,155 You're trying to get them pulled over. 822 00:41:16,615 --> 00:41:18,241 And that's what I believe 823 00:41:18,366 --> 00:41:20,098 all of us were trying to do at that moment. 824 00:41:20,118 --> 00:41:21,318 Uh... 825 00:41:23,288 --> 00:41:24,623 I'm not sure when 826 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:28,418 we found out that Gordon was a homosexual, 827 00:41:28,543 --> 00:41:30,545 or that... 828 00:41:31,296 --> 00:41:33,340 these guys may have been homosexual, 829 00:41:33,465 --> 00:41:35,717 these guys being Archuleta and Wood. 830 00:41:36,927 --> 00:41:38,303 My biggest thing is, 831 00:41:38,428 --> 00:41:41,014 is reflecting back now, was that he knew Gordon. 832 00:41:41,139 --> 00:41:43,225 You know, he knew whether... 833 00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:45,185 He just didn't meet him that night. 834 00:41:46,144 --> 00:41:47,395 I mean, it wasn't like, 835 00:41:47,521 --> 00:41:48,522 "Hey, can we go cruising with you?" 836 00:41:48,647 --> 00:41:50,148 or, "Hey, take us cruising." 837 00:41:50,273 --> 00:41:51,630 It was like, "Hey, get in the car." 838 00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:53,360 Like he already had talked to him. 839 00:41:53,485 --> 00:41:56,363 He'd developed some kind of rapport with Gordon. 840 00:41:59,658 --> 00:42:01,993 They went up to Canyon Cedar City for what? 841 00:42:02,702 --> 00:42:04,579 They went up there for one reason. 842 00:42:06,206 --> 00:42:08,208 They were gonna have sex with Gordon. 843 00:42:11,711 --> 00:42:14,589 And they ended up going to a place they call Pussy Hollow. 844 00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:17,759 Did the subject of sex come up? 845 00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:21,263 Yeah, that's when he told us he was a homosexual. 846 00:42:21,388 --> 00:42:22,722 Out there by the river? 847 00:42:22,848 --> 00:42:25,142 - Yeah. - Up there. 848 00:42:27,602 --> 00:42:30,188 And I think it just took off from there, 849 00:42:30,355 --> 00:42:31,606 that, you know, 850 00:42:31,731 --> 00:42:35,485 we're gonna go work this gay guy over. 851 00:42:37,279 --> 00:42:38,947 My first thought was, 852 00:42:39,698 --> 00:42:42,993 there was a time we used to go to Salt Lake and... 853 00:42:43,577 --> 00:42:45,996 go to the graveyard and roam. 854 00:42:46,705 --> 00:42:48,623 Steal their jackets, you know, 855 00:42:48,748 --> 00:42:50,375 and, you know, 856 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,878 gay individuals who were out there we would roam, 857 00:42:53,003 --> 00:42:54,203 we would chase them. 858 00:42:56,506 --> 00:42:58,466 That was my thought we were gonna do. 859 00:42:59,843 --> 00:43:01,761 Was there any argument or anything? 860 00:43:01,887 --> 00:43:04,681 Was there anybody mad at anybody? 861 00:43:05,098 --> 00:43:06,308 Not at that point. 862 00:43:06,433 --> 00:43:08,310 You know, everything was okay. 863 00:43:10,437 --> 00:43:11,897 I believe, after a while, 864 00:43:12,022 --> 00:43:14,022 nothing happened, so I told them, let's go. 865 00:43:14,065 --> 00:43:15,839 And that's when Mike pulled out a knife 866 00:43:15,859 --> 00:43:17,527 and put it to Gordon's throat. 867 00:43:17,652 --> 00:43:19,487 I reached out and grabbed his elbow. 868 00:43:20,697 --> 00:43:22,199 That's when he kind of shot me 869 00:43:22,324 --> 00:43:23,700 a look, a cold look. 870 00:43:24,117 --> 00:43:25,827 And Gordon took off at that time. 871 00:43:26,995 --> 00:43:28,288 He'd broke and run 872 00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:30,061 and they tackled him and he broke his arm. 873 00:43:30,081 --> 00:43:32,042 What did you do while he took off running 874 00:43:32,167 --> 00:43:33,793 after this stuff? 875 00:43:33,919 --> 00:43:35,358 I was just sitting there, standing there. 876 00:43:35,378 --> 00:43:37,172 Freaking out, 877 00:43:37,547 --> 00:43:38,840 And when they came back, 878 00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:40,926 that's when Lance cut his throat, 879 00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:43,345 he cut him, and I said, "Oh my God." 880 00:43:44,179 --> 00:43:46,181 I didn't think he'd do it, you know. 881 00:43:46,723 --> 00:43:48,683 It wasn't until after he caught him 882 00:43:48,808 --> 00:43:51,061 and brought him back up to the car, 883 00:43:51,186 --> 00:43:52,386 that he cut him again. 884 00:43:53,104 --> 00:43:55,065 And so that's where you get the X mark. 885 00:43:56,191 --> 00:43:59,819 He was calling out that he has pain in his shoulders. 886 00:44:00,612 --> 00:44:02,280 His leg hurt. 887 00:44:03,073 --> 00:44:04,491 Lance kept telling him, 888 00:44:04,616 --> 00:44:05,825 "You say anything, 889 00:44:07,702 --> 00:44:09,663 we know you got family," 890 00:44:11,456 --> 00:44:13,708 that he would kill his family, too. 891 00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:16,034 He, uh... 892 00:44:16,711 --> 00:44:18,421 bent Gordon over the... 893 00:44:19,464 --> 00:44:20,664 the... 894 00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:22,249 the hood of the car. 895 00:44:24,886 --> 00:44:27,125 And the dude said, "I want you to use a condom." 896 00:44:27,681 --> 00:44:29,307 Who's the dude? The victim? 897 00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:31,935 Yeah, and he gave Archuleta a condom. 898 00:44:33,561 --> 00:44:34,980 He pulled out the rubber. 899 00:44:35,522 --> 00:44:36,722 Handed it to me. He said, 900 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:40,277 Gordon said, "Yeah, it's your game. 901 00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,321 Do it to me." 902 00:44:43,697 --> 00:44:45,595 He was asking for it, I couldn't believe it. 903 00:44:45,615 --> 00:44:46,908 Did he? 904 00:44:47,033 --> 00:44:48,265 'Cause the guy had his throat cut, 905 00:44:48,285 --> 00:44:49,744 his arm may be broke, 906 00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:51,653 and banged up 907 00:44:51,705 --> 00:44:53,248 and he's undoubtedly worried, 908 00:44:53,373 --> 00:44:55,750 scared to death that you're gonna kill him, right? 909 00:44:56,751 --> 00:44:59,129 That don't make sense, that he's asking you to 910 00:44:59,838 --> 00:45:02,132 have sex with him at that point, does it? 911 00:45:02,674 --> 00:45:04,050 No, it don't. 912 00:45:04,926 --> 00:45:06,553 Did you have sex with this guy? 913 00:45:06,678 --> 00:45:07,971 No, I didn't. 914 00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:09,556 Did Lance? 915 00:45:09,681 --> 00:45:11,266 I didn't see him, or anything. 916 00:45:11,391 --> 00:45:14,477 Mike then turned to me and asked me if I wanted any. 917 00:45:15,687 --> 00:45:17,105 I shook my head, negative. 918 00:45:18,398 --> 00:45:21,318 There's only one part that I'm lying about. 919 00:45:22,444 --> 00:45:23,695 And what is it? 920 00:45:24,654 --> 00:45:27,365 It wasn't forcible or anything. 921 00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:28,783 He wanted it. 922 00:45:28,908 --> 00:45:31,077 This is straight up, okay? 923 00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:33,538 I did enter him, 924 00:45:33,705 --> 00:45:34,998 and I backed right out. 925 00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,323 I could... 926 00:45:36,916 --> 00:45:38,752 I don't even know why I did that. 927 00:45:39,169 --> 00:45:41,171 I'd never done it with anybody else before, 928 00:45:41,296 --> 00:45:42,589 not even a woman. 929 00:45:44,758 --> 00:45:47,469 I don't get off on getting down on guys. 930 00:45:54,642 --> 00:45:56,499 When Gordon got put in the trunk of that car, 931 00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,022 what did he think was gonna happen to him next? 932 00:46:01,566 --> 00:46:04,486 Exactly what I think we all knew was gonna happen next. 933 00:46:06,112 --> 00:46:08,031 He knew he was... gonna die. 934 00:46:13,536 --> 00:46:16,039 They drove from Cedar Canyon 935 00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:17,582 to mile marker 138, 936 00:46:17,749 --> 00:46:19,876 so that's got to be 70, 80 miles, 937 00:46:20,001 --> 00:46:23,129 It's got to be over an hour in the trunk of a car. 938 00:46:24,422 --> 00:46:26,966 That hour or so, 939 00:46:27,092 --> 00:46:28,385 as they drove north, 940 00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:29,783 is the hardest part of the story for me. 941 00:46:29,803 --> 00:46:31,888 Knowing that he was in that trunk, 942 00:46:32,013 --> 00:46:34,682 having been raped, with broken bones, 943 00:46:34,808 --> 00:46:37,477 bleeding and gagged and in chains. 944 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,023 Was he praying, was he weeping, 945 00:46:42,148 --> 00:46:44,526 was he calling out for his mother? 946 00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:47,946 Well, he didn't like elevators. 947 00:46:48,113 --> 00:46:51,241 He would use the stairs before he would use an elevator. 948 00:46:51,658 --> 00:46:53,159 He didn't like to be 949 00:46:53,576 --> 00:46:55,745 closed in a room without a window in it. 950 00:46:56,413 --> 00:46:59,290 He didn't like to have anything held over his head. 951 00:46:59,416 --> 00:47:03,670 Just, he didn't like to be where he felt he couldn't get out. 952 00:47:04,587 --> 00:47:06,297 Were you talking to him at all? 953 00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:07,966 Yes. 954 00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:10,593 Yelled back there, and asked him if he was okay. 955 00:47:11,428 --> 00:47:12,804 Said, "Yeah, I'm alright." 956 00:47:13,221 --> 00:47:15,412 All I know is Archuleta was yelling back there, 957 00:47:15,432 --> 00:47:16,433 "Don't break the lights, 958 00:47:16,558 --> 00:47:18,309 don't mess with the lights." 959 00:47:18,476 --> 00:47:19,769 Stuff like that. 960 00:47:19,894 --> 00:47:21,609 Church was just saying, "Okay, okay." 961 00:47:21,688 --> 00:47:22,897 And how Lance told it, 962 00:47:23,022 --> 00:47:24,462 saying we're gonna go up to Bountiful, 963 00:47:24,482 --> 00:47:25,733 where he is from. 964 00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:27,902 They were gonna drive Gordon's car off 965 00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:30,646 this cliff. 966 00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:33,450 Lance kept saying, "Well, 967 00:47:34,325 --> 00:47:36,202 if we just leave him in the trunk 968 00:47:36,327 --> 00:47:37,412 someone can pick him up," 969 00:47:37,537 --> 00:47:39,622 so we went to Dead Man's Point 970 00:47:40,373 --> 00:47:42,125 to let the car go off the edge. 971 00:47:42,709 --> 00:47:44,878 They'll never find it there. 972 00:47:46,045 --> 00:47:47,505 What'd you say to that? 973 00:47:47,672 --> 00:47:49,215 Said, "You're crazy, man." 974 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,260 We're both in a lot of trouble right now as it is. 975 00:47:52,385 --> 00:47:53,845 I told him, just... 976 00:47:54,512 --> 00:47:58,141 "Leave the car, let the dude go, and let's get out of here." 977 00:47:58,850 --> 00:48:00,810 Lance kept saying, "He's gonna rat on us, 978 00:48:00,935 --> 00:48:02,479 he's gonna rat on us." 979 00:48:05,273 --> 00:48:07,192 He said they got driving along, 980 00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:09,194 he says they got up north, 981 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,488 to the Dog Valley off-ramp. 982 00:48:12,697 --> 00:48:14,699 Archuleta pulled off right here. 983 00:48:14,866 --> 00:48:16,784 Did he say anything at this point? 984 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:17,702 He just pulled off? 985 00:48:17,827 --> 00:48:19,027 Yeah. 986 00:48:19,704 --> 00:48:21,227 They went underneath the freeway 987 00:48:21,247 --> 00:48:23,875 and went to the west, and north a little ways, 988 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,002 and stopped in the middle of the roadway. 989 00:48:31,216 --> 00:48:33,051 You know, Gordon just terrified, 990 00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:35,345 scared to death, he'd already been through 991 00:48:36,054 --> 00:48:38,681 a beating or two, and a rape. 992 00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:40,340 And... 993 00:48:40,725 --> 00:48:42,624 all in all, they were gonna kill him here 994 00:48:42,644 --> 00:48:44,229 or whatever, and... 995 00:48:44,395 --> 00:48:47,273 they were trying to assure him everything was gonna be okay. 996 00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:49,923 I think, one of the first things, 997 00:48:49,943 --> 00:48:51,758 when they got him out of the trunk of the car, 998 00:48:51,778 --> 00:48:54,322 was an attempt by Archuleta 999 00:48:54,739 --> 00:48:56,115 to break his neck. 1000 00:48:57,825 --> 00:48:59,619 I heard the guy fall. 1001 00:49:01,496 --> 00:49:02,973 And Archuleta's talking to him, 1002 00:49:04,582 --> 00:49:07,001 I guess he was crying, saying, "Please," you know. 1003 00:49:07,126 --> 00:49:09,921 He said that they took battery cable 1004 00:49:10,046 --> 00:49:12,799 and they tried to jump-start him. 1005 00:49:14,259 --> 00:49:15,718 A couple of real geniuses, 1006 00:49:15,843 --> 00:49:17,242 I don't know what they're thinking about. 1007 00:49:17,262 --> 00:49:19,472 They're gonna electrocute him or whatever. 1008 00:49:20,181 --> 00:49:22,100 Tell me how he hooked him up. 1009 00:49:22,892 --> 00:49:25,019 Clipped them on and said, "Go for it." 1010 00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:29,357 I don't know whether they were feeding off of one another, like 1011 00:49:29,816 --> 00:49:31,234 "Look what I've done." 1012 00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,195 "I'm gonna do something worse. 1013 00:49:34,696 --> 00:49:36,114 Something more horrific." 1014 00:49:36,281 --> 00:49:37,740 What he did, 1015 00:49:37,865 --> 00:49:39,325 it didn't work, I guess, 1016 00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:40,807 because he reached in the trunk 1017 00:49:40,827 --> 00:49:42,453 and grabbed the tire iron 1018 00:49:42,787 --> 00:49:44,205 out of the trunk 1019 00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:46,104 and started beating the guy on the head, 1020 00:49:46,124 --> 00:49:47,438 I don't know how many times. 1021 00:49:47,458 --> 00:49:49,752 Then, I guess that didn't work, 1022 00:49:50,295 --> 00:49:52,630 'cause he reached in and grabbed the jack, 1023 00:49:52,755 --> 00:49:55,091 what you jack up the car with 1024 00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:56,801 and brought that out. 1025 00:49:56,968 --> 00:50:00,597 He's bringing it to full swing on that, 1026 00:50:00,972 --> 00:50:03,474 Just like you would swing an axe or something. 1027 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,393 It was just... 1028 00:50:05,768 --> 00:50:07,145 a lot of blood. 1029 00:50:07,729 --> 00:50:09,647 Really a lot of blood on there. 1030 00:50:17,196 --> 00:50:19,032 You didn't beat Gordon? 1031 00:50:19,782 --> 00:50:20,742 I didn't beat Gordon. 1032 00:50:20,867 --> 00:50:22,067 Did you punch him? 1033 00:50:22,952 --> 00:50:24,857 - I didn't punch him. - Did you kick him? 1034 00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:26,873 I didn't kick him. 1035 00:50:26,998 --> 00:50:28,646 And you're saying that you stayed in the car 1036 00:50:28,666 --> 00:50:30,752 while Mike beat Gordon to death? 1037 00:50:32,211 --> 00:50:33,411 Yeah. 1038 00:50:34,756 --> 00:50:36,446 I didn't even hear when he got him out of the trunk 1039 00:50:36,466 --> 00:50:38,551 I just heard a crack, and I looked up. 1040 00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:41,763 Wham, hit him in the back of the head with a 1041 00:50:43,598 --> 00:50:45,516 He looked at me all wild 1042 00:50:45,642 --> 00:50:47,060 and took a swing at me. 1043 00:50:48,102 --> 00:50:50,146 And I got out of the car 1044 00:50:50,563 --> 00:50:52,899 and I think what he'd done is he took the... 1045 00:50:53,524 --> 00:50:56,069 tire iron and shoved it up the guy's anal. 1046 00:50:59,197 --> 00:51:00,031 It was so brutal. 1047 00:51:00,156 --> 00:51:02,408 It was so ugly, it was so mean, 1048 00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:03,576 and I think, what... 1049 00:51:03,701 --> 00:51:06,204 What causes somebody to do that? 1050 00:51:07,872 --> 00:51:10,583 But they dragged him off in this direction here. 1051 00:51:11,042 --> 00:51:13,086 And we found him up here under 1052 00:51:13,711 --> 00:51:14,911 a tree. 1053 00:51:18,174 --> 00:51:19,217 Probably... 1054 00:51:19,384 --> 00:51:21,032 could have been any one of these trees, 1055 00:51:21,052 --> 00:51:23,763 but he was kinda tucked up under 1056 00:51:23,888 --> 00:51:26,849 the boughs of one of these cedar trees 1057 00:51:27,642 --> 00:51:29,227 and somewhat concealed. 1058 00:51:29,727 --> 00:51:32,855 You know, and if, in reality, if... 1059 00:51:33,481 --> 00:51:36,943 Wood hadn't buckled his knees and got 1060 00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:39,028 trying to cover his ass, 1061 00:51:39,445 --> 00:51:40,655 it's hard to say 1062 00:51:41,072 --> 00:51:42,740 how long it would have been before 1063 00:51:42,907 --> 00:51:45,201 Gordon's body would have been discovered here. 1064 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,501 Mike and Lance drove Gordon's car 1065 00:51:53,626 --> 00:51:54,919 to Salt Lake City. 1066 00:51:55,044 --> 00:51:56,504 Millard County deputies 1067 00:51:56,629 --> 00:51:58,319 searched the hillside to find more clues, 1068 00:51:58,339 --> 00:52:00,049 but two key pieces of evidence 1069 00:52:00,174 --> 00:52:03,428 were found 175 miles north in Salt Lake county. 1070 00:52:03,594 --> 00:52:05,972 And then Mike left this... 1071 00:52:06,514 --> 00:52:08,182 his murder victim's car 1072 00:52:08,307 --> 00:52:11,227 in the lot at his brother's apartment complex. 1073 00:52:11,352 --> 00:52:13,062 Earlier today, officers picked up 1074 00:52:13,187 --> 00:52:14,939 a pair of blood-covered men's Levi's 1075 00:52:15,106 --> 00:52:16,941 on I15 at 45th South, 1076 00:52:17,108 --> 00:52:20,862 and impounded this 1978 Ford T-Bird in West Valley City. 1077 00:52:20,987 --> 00:52:22,572 Investigators found blood smeared 1078 00:52:22,697 --> 00:52:25,283 in the back seat and trunk of the car. 1079 00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:26,650 So Mike and Lance went on 1080 00:52:26,701 --> 00:52:28,286 a weird series of misadventures 1081 00:52:28,411 --> 00:52:31,289 as they kind of hitch-hiked their way back to Cedar City. 1082 00:52:31,914 --> 00:52:33,666 Mike and Lance ended up in Salem, 1083 00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:36,085 at Mike's home, 1084 00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:39,005 and his father Amos made them eggs. 1085 00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:40,903 Mike went down into his childhood bedroom, 1086 00:52:40,923 --> 00:52:43,551 which is where he left Gordon's watch. 1087 00:52:43,676 --> 00:52:45,303 So again, he left Gordon's car 1088 00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,118 at his brother's apartment complex, 1089 00:52:47,138 --> 00:52:49,223 he left Gordon's watch in his parents' home, 1090 00:52:49,348 --> 00:52:51,289 for the police to go gather this evidence later, 1091 00:52:51,309 --> 00:52:53,519 and they sat with his father and ate eggs. 1092 00:52:55,313 --> 00:52:57,398 When they got back to the apartment, 1093 00:52:57,982 --> 00:53:01,360 Mike had sex with his girlfriend and fell asleep. 1094 00:53:01,486 --> 00:53:03,821 Lance went and talked to his friend Tony, 1095 00:53:04,155 --> 00:53:06,657 and came up with the plan to turn himself in, 1096 00:53:07,074 --> 00:53:09,285 so he went down to the same 7-Eleven 1097 00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:11,537 where he had picked up Gordon initially, 1098 00:53:11,913 --> 00:53:13,498 and called his parole officer, 1099 00:53:13,623 --> 00:53:15,917 John Grath, and said, "I just witnessed a murder, 1100 00:53:16,042 --> 00:53:17,242 please come pick me up." 1101 00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:20,671 Before John arrived, Lance threw away Gordon's wallet 1102 00:53:20,838 --> 00:53:23,800 out of his own pocket, right there at the gas station. 1103 00:53:26,219 --> 00:53:28,971 But I believe that it was a hate crime, simply, 1104 00:53:30,014 --> 00:53:32,183 because of the way he was treated, 1105 00:53:32,308 --> 00:53:33,851 the raping, 1106 00:53:34,018 --> 00:53:37,021 the breaking of arms and the jaws and the 1107 00:53:37,188 --> 00:53:38,898 wrapping him in chains... 1108 00:53:40,024 --> 00:53:41,224 I'm... 1109 00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:46,345 I think it started out as a hate crime. 1110 00:53:46,405 --> 00:53:48,262 I wouldn't know if the murder would be a hate crime, 1111 00:53:48,282 --> 00:53:50,139 but I believe that it started out to be hate, 1112 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,911 'cause of who he was. 1113 00:53:53,454 --> 00:53:56,707 Wood and Archuleta targeted Gordon, 1114 00:53:56,874 --> 00:53:59,126 merely for the fact that he was gay, 1115 00:53:59,252 --> 00:54:02,171 and they were they were out to teach the... 1116 00:54:03,798 --> 00:54:05,049 "the faggot" a lesson, 1117 00:54:05,216 --> 00:54:07,169 and that's not a word that I use lightly. 1118 00:54:07,218 --> 00:54:10,471 You know, I always believed that Archuleta had 1119 00:54:10,596 --> 00:54:12,598 homosexual tendencies, 1120 00:54:12,723 --> 00:54:14,642 and rage about that. 1121 00:54:14,767 --> 00:54:18,145 He chose the manner of death, I think, to send a message. 1122 00:54:18,563 --> 00:54:20,648 Oh, well, my brother Michael does not 1123 00:54:20,773 --> 00:54:22,692 consider the crime a hate crime. 1124 00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:25,987 He considers it more of a crime of 1125 00:54:26,112 --> 00:54:27,905 excessive drug and alcohol, 1126 00:54:28,072 --> 00:54:31,117 and a whole lifetime of making bad choices. 1127 00:54:31,951 --> 00:54:33,266 But he just really felt like 1128 00:54:33,286 --> 00:54:35,144 it was a night that got out of control. 1129 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,373 It just got away from him. 1130 00:54:43,588 --> 00:54:44,788 As part of my research 1131 00:54:44,922 --> 00:54:46,237 into the Gordon Church case, 1132 00:54:46,257 --> 00:54:47,905 I put in a request with the police, 1133 00:54:47,925 --> 00:54:49,427 and was given permission to 1134 00:54:49,552 --> 00:54:51,409 look at some of their gathered evidence, 1135 00:54:51,429 --> 00:54:53,306 including those crime scene photos. 1136 00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,143 Turning the pages in that photo book, 1137 00:54:57,268 --> 00:54:59,395 they start off relatively... 1138 00:55:01,063 --> 00:55:02,263 tame. 1139 00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:06,861 They're showing the perimeter of the crime scene. 1140 00:55:07,236 --> 00:55:11,073 There's dirt and sticks and mud and snow and frost. 1141 00:55:11,616 --> 00:55:13,492 But then you start seeing the blood, 1142 00:55:13,618 --> 00:55:16,245 you start seeing the pieces of bone. 1143 00:55:25,463 --> 00:55:27,256 Look at the blood. God. 1144 00:55:29,383 --> 00:55:31,010 There's the tire iron. 1145 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:40,369 When you see the pictures of the body, 1146 00:55:41,103 --> 00:55:42,939 I would not recommend that to anybody. 1147 00:55:43,064 --> 00:55:45,107 Those images will be in my brain forever. 1148 00:55:45,816 --> 00:55:47,610 It's heart-breaking. 1149 00:55:58,162 --> 00:56:00,039 There's something that just... 1150 00:56:01,832 --> 00:56:03,501 It's one thing to read the story, 1151 00:56:03,668 --> 00:56:04,961 but to see it, 1152 00:56:05,962 --> 00:56:07,713 to see it, hurts. 1153 00:56:12,259 --> 00:56:13,970 Mike had a violent 1154 00:56:17,014 --> 00:56:18,474 way of dealing with things. 1155 00:56:19,433 --> 00:56:21,686 Maybe dealing with his own demons. 1156 00:56:22,103 --> 00:56:25,022 If it's true that he knew Gordon 1157 00:56:25,189 --> 00:56:26,440 prior to that, 1158 00:56:27,692 --> 00:56:28,892 I believe now 1159 00:56:28,943 --> 00:56:30,319 it's Mike's doing. 1160 00:56:31,821 --> 00:56:33,990 He's gonna have to answer that question 1161 00:56:34,115 --> 00:56:35,574 as to why Gordon died. 1162 00:56:37,576 --> 00:56:39,495 Why was this guy killed? 1163 00:56:40,663 --> 00:56:43,958 I don't know why he was killed. 1164 00:56:44,375 --> 00:56:46,460 I do not know why. 1165 00:56:46,877 --> 00:56:48,337 So much went on that night, 1166 00:56:48,462 --> 00:56:50,423 it's hard to remember everything. 1167 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,093 I was weak. 1168 00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:58,556 But I gotta take responsibility 1169 00:56:58,681 --> 00:57:01,684 for actually causing his death as much as Mike killed him. 1170 00:57:03,769 --> 00:57:05,604 In Provo today, testimony wrapped up 1171 00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:07,440 in the trial of Michael Archuleta, 1172 00:57:07,565 --> 00:57:10,109 accused of brutally killing a Central Utah man. 1173 00:57:10,526 --> 00:57:12,778 I'd been to several trials at that time, 1174 00:57:12,903 --> 00:57:15,364 but there's nothing like a homicide trial. 1175 00:57:15,489 --> 00:57:18,034 They are a total different animal. 1176 00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:22,070 It was ugly. 1177 00:57:22,163 --> 00:57:24,165 It did affect our family. 1178 00:57:24,749 --> 00:57:28,085 And it affected the extended family, 1179 00:57:28,252 --> 00:57:30,796 'cause some of them didn't want to claim him. 1180 00:57:31,505 --> 00:57:33,279 They got on TV and says, "Well, you know, 1181 00:57:33,299 --> 00:57:34,633 he's not even related to us, 1182 00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:36,969 he's adopted, so we don't even know him." 1183 00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:39,305 And that was hurtful. 1184 00:57:41,849 --> 00:57:43,309 And Archuleta, 1185 00:57:43,434 --> 00:57:46,062 he tried to dress up in a suit and a tie and look sharp, 1186 00:57:46,187 --> 00:57:49,732 but he still had his tattoos showing above his shirt collar, 1187 00:57:49,857 --> 00:57:53,027 and just kinda hard for him to hide 1188 00:57:53,152 --> 00:57:56,322 that he was a hardened man. 1189 00:57:57,865 --> 00:57:59,366 He was this big, husky, 1190 00:57:59,492 --> 00:58:01,827 good-looking guy with all this curly hair. 1191 00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:04,830 And a little bit on the cocky side. 1192 00:58:06,332 --> 00:58:07,938 And he gave me the thumbs up, like, 1193 00:58:07,958 --> 00:58:09,251 "It's gonna be okay, Mom." 1194 00:58:09,919 --> 00:58:12,348 But deep down I knew that this was a horrible thing, 1195 00:58:12,379 --> 00:58:14,048 and it was not gonna be okay. 1196 00:58:14,632 --> 00:58:17,093 They took me into the courtroom, swore me in, 1197 00:58:17,635 --> 00:58:18,835 and... 1198 00:58:18,886 --> 00:58:21,430 they had me testify that Gordon was gay. 1199 00:58:22,515 --> 00:58:24,433 Then, they actually 1200 00:58:25,017 --> 00:58:26,217 said that was enough. 1201 00:58:26,268 --> 00:58:27,853 And they had me get up and leave. 1202 00:58:28,979 --> 00:58:30,481 And as I was walking out, 1203 00:58:30,648 --> 00:58:33,442 they brought Archuleta out of the courtroom. 1204 00:58:34,068 --> 00:58:36,529 And he grinned at me. 1205 00:58:37,655 --> 00:58:39,323 And I was so mad 1206 00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:42,535 that I just wanted to slap the smile off his face. 1207 00:58:45,121 --> 00:58:46,455 Dave and Nancy, 1208 00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:49,166 they never missed a hearing, 1209 00:58:49,291 --> 00:58:50,981 they never missed a minute of the court. 1210 00:58:51,001 --> 00:58:52,545 They was there the whole time. 1211 00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:54,380 And I know Nancy, 1212 00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:57,758 when she took the stand, she stared at both of them, 1213 00:58:58,717 --> 00:59:00,845 each individual, when she was on the stand, 1214 00:59:01,011 --> 00:59:01,971 of Archuleta. 1215 00:59:02,096 --> 00:59:03,639 Archuleta finally looked down. 1216 00:59:04,098 --> 00:59:07,434 He showed just a little bit of remorse for her. 1217 00:59:08,144 --> 00:59:09,353 Wood never did. 1218 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,397 Never would blink an eye. 1219 00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:15,234 I testified at Michael's trial. 1220 00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:18,487 And even at the trials, he was actually... 1221 00:59:19,363 --> 00:59:20,739 more friendly. 1222 00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:25,035 He would give me eye contact and smile, 1223 00:59:25,452 --> 00:59:26,954 where Lance wouldn't, 1224 00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:28,279 and we were 1225 00:59:29,248 --> 00:59:31,584 engaged still, at that time. 1226 00:59:32,751 --> 00:59:35,004 Archuleta knew that he was in for the long haul. 1227 00:59:35,379 --> 00:59:38,174 I think he knew that he had 1228 00:59:38,299 --> 00:59:40,759 really screwed up bad. 1229 00:59:44,096 --> 00:59:46,265 Mike Archuleta's trial 1230 00:59:47,183 --> 00:59:48,559 went very well, I thought. 1231 00:59:48,726 --> 00:59:49,935 I felt confident 1232 00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:52,897 in what was presented, and how it was presented. 1233 00:59:53,272 --> 00:59:56,066 I mean, it just went through the whole 1234 00:59:56,233 --> 00:59:57,433 episode here, 1235 00:59:57,776 --> 01:00:00,029 showing both of their participations, 1236 01:00:00,154 --> 01:00:01,614 who was doing what. 1237 01:00:03,073 --> 01:00:05,492 And I didn't feel like our attorneys at the time 1238 01:00:05,618 --> 01:00:07,536 did a real good job of 1239 01:00:08,037 --> 01:00:09,538 defending Michael. 1240 01:00:10,956 --> 01:00:12,541 They were trying to get him off 1241 01:00:12,666 --> 01:00:16,378 with the fact that Archuleta had been 1242 01:00:16,503 --> 01:00:19,089 supposedly raped by somebody that was gay, 1243 01:00:19,256 --> 01:00:20,466 or something like that, 1244 01:00:20,591 --> 01:00:22,353 or molested by somebody that was gay. 1245 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,450 Do you think race played a factor as well? 1246 01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:26,013 Very possibly, mmh-hm. 1247 01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:29,642 One's last name was Archuleta and one wasn't. 1248 01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:33,896 I am incensed 1249 01:00:34,355 --> 01:00:35,689 when people use 1250 01:00:36,065 --> 01:00:38,859 the fact that "I'm a minority," 1251 01:00:38,984 --> 01:00:40,945 or "I had a rough go." 1252 01:00:41,362 --> 01:00:43,220 A lot of people had a rough go in life, 1253 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,949 and they do not 1254 01:00:45,074 --> 01:00:47,326 torture, rape and kill 1255 01:00:47,451 --> 01:00:50,496 a kind and gentle 1256 01:00:50,913 --> 01:00:52,581 young gay man. 1257 01:00:55,542 --> 01:00:56,941 Good evening. I'm Michelle Kean. 1258 01:00:56,961 --> 01:00:58,379 And I'm Bob Evans. 1259 01:00:58,504 --> 01:01:00,194 Tomorrow, the jury begins deliberations 1260 01:01:00,214 --> 01:01:03,050 in the Michael Archuleta murder trial in Provo. 1261 01:01:03,175 --> 01:01:04,468 You know, they said 1262 01:01:04,635 --> 01:01:06,731 they had no idea how long it was going to be, 1263 01:01:06,971 --> 01:01:07,972 and... 1264 01:01:08,138 --> 01:01:09,765 we came home, 1265 01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:12,652 and I got a phone call that the jury had reached a verdict. 1266 01:01:14,895 --> 01:01:17,606 And when I heard he'd been found guilty, I just... 1267 01:01:18,524 --> 01:01:20,067 I don't know how I got to bed, 1268 01:01:20,192 --> 01:01:21,392 somebody put me there, 1269 01:01:21,485 --> 01:01:23,133 but I didn't get there on my own power. 1270 01:01:23,153 --> 01:01:25,219 I don't know if I passed out or what happened, 1271 01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:26,573 but the shock was... 1272 01:01:27,491 --> 01:01:28,993 'Cause it was so final. 1273 01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:30,536 It was so final. 1274 01:01:32,830 --> 01:01:34,030 But... 1275 01:01:34,331 --> 01:01:35,531 what could you do? 1276 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,710 Condemned killer Michael Archuleta 1277 01:01:37,835 --> 01:01:39,670 now has an execution date. 1278 01:01:39,795 --> 01:01:41,547 Fourth District Judge George Baliff 1279 01:01:41,672 --> 01:01:43,195 signed Archuleta's death warrant today, 1280 01:01:43,215 --> 01:01:45,884 scheduling him to die by lethal injection 1281 01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:47,261 on February 19th. 1282 01:01:47,386 --> 01:01:49,179 It's quiet joy 1283 01:01:49,305 --> 01:01:50,973 and satisfaction when 1284 01:01:51,765 --> 01:01:53,434 Archuleta was sentenced to death. 1285 01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,512 I thought it was the appropriate sentence. 1286 01:01:55,936 --> 01:01:59,481 For me, the fact that he was going to be put to death, 1287 01:02:00,607 --> 01:02:02,067 seemed like justice. 1288 01:02:03,569 --> 01:02:05,404 Do you celebrate? No. 1289 01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:08,657 Are you happy it's over with? 1290 01:02:08,782 --> 01:02:10,784 Definitely happy it's over with. 1291 01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:13,662 And, you know, I always recognized 1292 01:02:13,787 --> 01:02:15,956 that my brother's crime was a horrible thing. 1293 01:02:16,707 --> 01:02:19,460 And maybe it's selfish of me, 1294 01:02:19,585 --> 01:02:23,005 but I really just don't want to see him executed. 1295 01:02:26,508 --> 01:02:30,012 Do you believe Mike Archuleta deserves the death penalty? 1296 01:02:34,016 --> 01:02:35,059 I believe so. 1297 01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:36,384 Why? 1298 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,525 Because it was a ruthless 1299 01:02:44,068 --> 01:02:45,268 murder. 1300 01:02:45,611 --> 01:02:47,509 I believe everyone's entitled to forgiveness. 1301 01:02:47,529 --> 01:02:49,406 I believe everyone has 1302 01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:51,221 the right to be forgiven of things, 1303 01:02:51,241 --> 01:02:54,119 but I also believe that there is a right for justice. 1304 01:02:59,625 --> 01:03:00,825 Lance's trial 1305 01:03:00,918 --> 01:03:03,962 happened in February of '90. 1306 01:03:04,088 --> 01:03:08,342 It was like the JonBenét Ramsey of the time, you know? 1307 01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:10,260 It was huge. 1308 01:03:10,886 --> 01:03:12,721 Everybody in the state of Utah, 1309 01:03:12,846 --> 01:03:14,723 people in Idaho knew about it. 1310 01:03:14,848 --> 01:03:16,141 It was actually... 1311 01:03:16,266 --> 01:03:17,552 I believed that I wasn't... 1312 01:03:17,893 --> 01:03:19,186 going to lose, you know? 1313 01:03:19,311 --> 01:03:21,188 I believed that I was gonna actually 1314 01:03:21,772 --> 01:03:23,065 witness that trial. 1315 01:03:23,649 --> 01:03:25,025 The courtroom was full, 1316 01:03:25,484 --> 01:03:26,819 all the time. 1317 01:03:27,736 --> 01:03:29,488 Yeah, he didn't even cut his hair, 1318 01:03:29,613 --> 01:03:34,410 and I had girls chanting for Lance, you know? 1319 01:03:35,077 --> 01:03:36,277 Now... 1320 01:03:36,995 --> 01:03:38,247 as a mother, 1321 01:03:38,372 --> 01:03:40,040 I can't even imagine 1322 01:03:42,751 --> 01:03:43,961 the pain and the horror 1323 01:03:44,128 --> 01:03:46,588 that I brought to the Church family 1324 01:03:46,713 --> 01:03:48,715 by doing that. 1325 01:03:51,969 --> 01:03:55,431 My trial didn't go as well as I thought it'd go. 1326 01:03:55,973 --> 01:03:57,173 You know? 1327 01:03:57,558 --> 01:03:59,393 He told me that he was not supposed 1328 01:03:59,518 --> 01:04:01,562 to show any emotion at all. 1329 01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,898 So he was cold. 1330 01:04:05,816 --> 01:04:08,318 There's a feeling that you get when you 1331 01:04:08,861 --> 01:04:09,903 know when you're screwed, 1332 01:04:10,028 --> 01:04:12,072 when you know you're kind of... 1333 01:04:12,197 --> 01:04:14,867 There is no hope in that situation. 1334 01:04:15,868 --> 01:04:18,579 And I stayed the whole time. 1335 01:04:19,329 --> 01:04:21,498 Even after I gave my testimony, 1336 01:04:21,623 --> 01:04:23,667 I was not let back into the courtroom. 1337 01:04:23,792 --> 01:04:26,170 I was considered a hostile witness. 1338 01:04:26,295 --> 01:04:27,629 Because I was under such 1339 01:04:27,754 --> 01:04:30,466 the impression that Lance was innocent. 1340 01:04:31,592 --> 01:04:33,635 It was almost as if 1341 01:04:35,888 --> 01:04:37,639 they were the enemy. 1342 01:04:38,348 --> 01:04:39,548 And, you know, 1343 01:04:39,683 --> 01:04:40,684 I think the biggest thing 1344 01:04:40,809 --> 01:04:42,394 was in the closing arguments. 1345 01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:43,896 My attorney goes, 1346 01:04:45,939 --> 01:04:48,442 "Lance was not a bystander, 1347 01:04:48,567 --> 01:04:49,985 Lance is a liar." 1348 01:04:51,403 --> 01:04:52,946 And that was my own attorney, 1349 01:04:53,071 --> 01:04:56,158 stating that to the jury, after I testified. 1350 01:04:57,659 --> 01:04:59,745 And when the verdict was read, 1351 01:04:59,870 --> 01:05:01,580 there was cheering, 1352 01:05:02,206 --> 01:05:04,124 and there was booing. 1353 01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:08,754 For me, I was praying. 1354 01:05:10,672 --> 01:05:13,091 Mr. Wood's continued 1355 01:05:13,634 --> 01:05:15,385 changing of his stories 1356 01:05:16,178 --> 01:05:18,305 was his effort to avoid responsibility 1357 01:05:18,430 --> 01:05:20,057 for a crime he participated in. 1358 01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:21,934 And I think the jury saw that. 1359 01:05:23,227 --> 01:05:25,187 He'd already been found guilty, 1360 01:05:25,312 --> 01:05:26,563 the same as Archuleta, 1361 01:05:26,688 --> 01:05:29,066 but now the sentencing phase kicked in 1362 01:05:29,483 --> 01:05:31,026 and Lance's attorney 1363 01:05:31,443 --> 01:05:34,530 and his family brought in just a bunch of people 1364 01:05:34,655 --> 01:05:36,532 to tell you how good a guy Lance was. 1365 01:05:37,324 --> 01:05:39,324 According to what they said and everything, 1366 01:05:39,409 --> 01:05:41,662 he was a prize, man. 1367 01:05:41,787 --> 01:05:43,664 That guy was a number one kid. 1368 01:05:44,248 --> 01:05:46,725 But according to what happened, I don't think he was. 1369 01:05:46,833 --> 01:05:48,565 I think he had the same problems as Michael did, 1370 01:05:48,585 --> 01:05:49,962 but they made him look like 1371 01:05:50,087 --> 01:05:52,214 a sterling scholar and the whole bit. 1372 01:05:53,674 --> 01:05:55,030 You know, they brought a lot of 1373 01:05:55,050 --> 01:05:58,345 religious background into it, you know. 1374 01:05:58,887 --> 01:06:01,431 Well, they took in his baptismal thing, 1375 01:06:02,099 --> 01:06:04,393 and they brought in all his Scout 1376 01:06:04,810 --> 01:06:06,228 merit badges. 1377 01:06:06,645 --> 01:06:08,647 And they did a pretty good job 1378 01:06:09,606 --> 01:06:11,004 making an angel out of this guy. 1379 01:06:11,024 --> 01:06:12,359 Well, he wasn't an angel. 1380 01:06:13,026 --> 01:06:14,925 I wanted to stand up and yell at the jury 1381 01:06:14,945 --> 01:06:17,739 and say, "This isn't the guy that did this!" 1382 01:06:18,198 --> 01:06:19,398 And so 1383 01:06:19,950 --> 01:06:21,410 he got off with... 1384 01:06:21,535 --> 01:06:23,036 with life. 1385 01:06:29,209 --> 01:06:30,781 I mean, I just felt if two people 1386 01:06:30,836 --> 01:06:32,546 are involved in the same crime, 1387 01:06:32,921 --> 01:06:34,756 they should both have 1388 01:06:35,465 --> 01:06:36,842 the same punishment. 1389 01:06:37,426 --> 01:06:38,760 In my opinion, 1390 01:06:38,885 --> 01:06:40,617 both of them deserved the death penalty. 1391 01:06:40,637 --> 01:06:43,223 Archuleta got it. Lance Wood didn't. 1392 01:06:44,391 --> 01:06:45,591 Lance Wood should have. 1393 01:06:46,059 --> 01:06:47,393 I believe that some aspects, 1394 01:06:47,477 --> 01:06:49,605 like I said, I deserve time, 1395 01:06:50,022 --> 01:06:51,773 but what do I deserve time for? 1396 01:06:53,817 --> 01:06:55,360 He didn't, because, 1397 01:06:55,485 --> 01:06:57,487 I think, as the facts shook out, 1398 01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:00,324 for lack of a better analogy, he didn't pull the trigger. 1399 01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:03,368 He didn't impale Gordon, he didn't rape Gordon. 1400 01:07:03,493 --> 01:07:06,288 You know, I guess a lot of Nazis 1401 01:07:06,413 --> 01:07:08,498 have that same defense 1402 01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:10,792 when six million Jews were killed. 1403 01:07:10,917 --> 01:07:12,608 "Well, you know, I was following orders," 1404 01:07:12,628 --> 01:07:14,212 "I was afraid for my own life," 1405 01:07:14,338 --> 01:07:18,050 or, "I just did what I thought I should do." 1406 01:07:19,134 --> 01:07:21,178 I know that they said he just watched, 1407 01:07:21,303 --> 01:07:22,503 but he watched! 1408 01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,390 He shouldn't have been there, he should've stopped it, 1409 01:07:25,515 --> 01:07:26,808 he shouldn't have... 1410 01:07:27,768 --> 01:07:29,227 let it happen. 1411 01:07:30,562 --> 01:07:32,022 To me... I don't know. 1412 01:07:32,564 --> 01:07:35,942 I think they both should have gotten death, to be honest. 1413 01:07:36,693 --> 01:07:39,571 It didn't really... matter. 1414 01:07:39,696 --> 01:07:41,011 The fact that neither one of them 1415 01:07:41,031 --> 01:07:43,200 could hurt someone else ever again 1416 01:07:43,575 --> 01:07:46,411 was the be-all and end-all. 1417 01:07:51,917 --> 01:07:54,211 When Gordon Church was murdered in 1988, 1418 01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:57,214 Utah didn't have any hate crimes legislation. 1419 01:07:57,339 --> 01:07:59,216 But, within a few years, 1420 01:07:59,383 --> 01:08:02,678 representative David Litvack introduced a bill 1421 01:08:02,803 --> 01:08:04,137 in the Utah legislature 1422 01:08:04,262 --> 01:08:07,974 to protect all groups from hate crimes in Utah, 1423 01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:09,643 including gay people. 1424 01:08:10,268 --> 01:08:12,604 Unfortunately, that bill was hijacked 1425 01:08:12,729 --> 01:08:15,857 by a Republican legislator, 1426 01:08:15,982 --> 01:08:17,859 and it really was sort of gutted 1427 01:08:17,984 --> 01:08:20,320 in a way that has made it unenforceable. 1428 01:08:22,447 --> 01:08:24,700 The original hate crimes law just didn't cut it. 1429 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,120 In fact, we actually had a court case that came back 1430 01:08:28,745 --> 01:08:31,228 that clearly indicated that the current hate crimes law 1431 01:08:31,248 --> 01:08:32,874 couldn't be applied in most cases. 1432 01:08:32,999 --> 01:08:34,918 It was that weak and that watered-down 1433 01:08:35,085 --> 01:08:37,713 that it was really, truly, ineffective. 1434 01:08:40,382 --> 01:08:42,759 Nobody wants to come to terms with, 1435 01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:45,387 I punch someone in the face, 1436 01:08:46,054 --> 01:08:47,556 is a misdemeanor. 1437 01:08:47,681 --> 01:08:49,307 But I punch someone in the face 1438 01:08:49,433 --> 01:08:51,935 because they're gay or they're black, 1439 01:08:52,102 --> 01:08:53,353 or they're Jewish, 1440 01:08:53,478 --> 01:08:54,938 makes it a felony. 1441 01:08:55,105 --> 01:08:57,607 It's interesting that the pioneers who came to Utah 1442 01:08:57,733 --> 01:08:59,443 came here, trying to avoid hate 1443 01:08:59,609 --> 01:09:02,571 and people attacking them for what they believed in. 1444 01:09:02,946 --> 01:09:05,157 And yet, it took us a long time to figure out 1445 01:09:05,282 --> 01:09:06,888 that if we're gonna have a law on the books, 1446 01:09:06,908 --> 01:09:08,432 we need to have a law that works. 1447 01:09:08,452 --> 01:09:10,704 And that's kind of how I came to the point 1448 01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:12,227 where I told Senator Thatcher, 1449 01:09:12,247 --> 01:09:14,295 "I wanna be your sponsor in the House side." 1450 01:09:17,335 --> 01:09:19,421 When someone is convicted of a crime, 1451 01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:21,965 and only 1452 01:09:22,132 --> 01:09:24,760 after someone has been convicted of a crime, 1453 01:09:25,177 --> 01:09:27,304 do we enter the sentencing phase. 1454 01:09:28,096 --> 01:09:29,954 The sentencing phase is when we decide, 1455 01:09:30,056 --> 01:09:31,266 "Okay, they did it, 1456 01:09:31,808 --> 01:09:33,143 how bad was it? 1457 01:09:33,268 --> 01:09:35,312 What should the punishment be?" 1458 01:09:35,437 --> 01:09:37,063 Now, some people, 1459 01:09:37,814 --> 01:09:39,441 and one of the largest objections 1460 01:09:39,566 --> 01:09:40,766 that I've had to overcome 1461 01:09:41,151 --> 01:09:43,069 from people who don't like 1462 01:09:43,195 --> 01:09:45,864 the idea of an enhanced sentence is, 1463 01:09:45,989 --> 01:09:47,824 "Well, a crime is a crime is a crime. 1464 01:09:48,283 --> 01:09:50,452 We should treat all crimes the same." 1465 01:09:51,328 --> 01:09:52,851 Well, the challenge with that is, 1466 01:09:52,871 --> 01:09:55,999 that is literally the exact opposite 1467 01:09:56,124 --> 01:09:59,044 of how our criminal justice system works. 1468 01:09:59,169 --> 01:10:00,504 Kind of like murder. 1469 01:10:00,629 --> 01:10:02,652 Murder's broken down into various categories. 1470 01:10:02,672 --> 01:10:05,926 So, a murder, obviously you lose a life. 1471 01:10:06,051 --> 01:10:08,386 But if you have a murder where somebody is drunk 1472 01:10:08,512 --> 01:10:10,472 and didn't mean to kill somebody, 1473 01:10:10,597 --> 01:10:11,797 it's considered, uh, 1474 01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:13,163 I hate to say it, but a lesser murder. 1475 01:10:13,183 --> 01:10:14,498 And they're probably not gonna get 1476 01:10:14,518 --> 01:10:16,233 a death row for something like that. 1477 01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:20,023 But I don't think any of us can realistically say 1478 01:10:20,398 --> 01:10:22,150 that spraying your girlfriend's name 1479 01:10:22,275 --> 01:10:24,528 on a fence or an overpass 1480 01:10:24,653 --> 01:10:25,987 is the same crime 1481 01:10:26,112 --> 01:10:27,906 as going to a Jewish synagogue 1482 01:10:28,031 --> 01:10:29,741 and spray-painting a swastika 1483 01:10:29,866 --> 01:10:31,451 and the words, 'Die, Jews.' 1484 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,788 Now if you believe that those are the same crime 1485 01:10:35,497 --> 01:10:38,708 because in both cases you still have to clean up graffiti, 1486 01:10:38,875 --> 01:10:40,210 then with respect, 1487 01:10:40,377 --> 01:10:42,526 you probably will not come on board for this bill, 1488 01:10:42,546 --> 01:10:44,737 and you probably should vote against this bill, 1489 01:10:44,798 --> 01:10:46,341 if you truly believe 1490 01:10:46,466 --> 01:10:49,010 that those two crimes should be punished the same. 1491 01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:51,451 The way our law's gonna work is, 1492 01:10:51,471 --> 01:10:53,598 we'll convict you of the crime first. 1493 01:10:54,015 --> 01:10:56,226 And then we'll add an additional penalty on 1494 01:10:56,393 --> 01:10:57,269 because the fact 1495 01:10:57,394 --> 01:10:58,775 your selection of your victim 1496 01:10:58,895 --> 01:11:00,689 had everything to do with 1497 01:11:01,314 --> 01:11:04,276 a particular character or preference, 1498 01:11:04,401 --> 01:11:06,778 not because of anything else. 1499 01:11:06,903 --> 01:11:08,488 Can't prevent everything, but 1500 01:11:08,613 --> 01:11:10,073 this law, by passing it, 1501 01:11:10,198 --> 01:11:12,200 putting it in place with SB103, 1502 01:11:12,325 --> 01:11:14,744 I think, down the road, will make a difference 1503 01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:17,539 in making people stop and think about what they do 1504 01:11:17,664 --> 01:11:18,864 and why they're doing it. 1505 01:11:19,499 --> 01:11:21,459 Let's move forward with the solution 1506 01:11:21,585 --> 01:11:24,296 that we know is 100% constitutional, 1507 01:11:24,421 --> 01:11:27,424 that we know is 100% legally sound. 1508 01:11:28,258 --> 01:11:30,969 When we're looking at complex legal issues, 1509 01:11:31,094 --> 01:11:32,512 if we're smart, 1510 01:11:33,054 --> 01:11:35,390 we listen to our subject matter experts. 1511 01:11:35,932 --> 01:11:37,622 We listen to the Sentencing Commission 1512 01:11:37,642 --> 01:11:39,936 who talks about what punishments ought to be. 1513 01:11:40,312 --> 01:11:42,522 We should listen to our Chiefs, our sheriffs, 1514 01:11:42,647 --> 01:11:45,400 we should listen to our religious communities, 1515 01:11:45,859 --> 01:11:47,444 which are united. 1516 01:11:47,944 --> 01:11:50,030 I am not aware of a single religion 1517 01:11:50,155 --> 01:11:51,907 that has come forward and said, 1518 01:11:52,657 --> 01:11:54,409 "We don't want this protection." 1519 01:11:55,744 --> 01:11:56,944 We should listen. 1520 01:11:58,955 --> 01:12:00,155 We should listen. 1521 01:12:08,632 --> 01:12:10,133 After Lance was convicted, 1522 01:12:10,258 --> 01:12:12,969 he was sentenced to life in prison, 1523 01:12:13,136 --> 01:12:16,014 and ended up in Draper, Utah, initially. 1524 01:12:17,766 --> 01:12:19,623 He became known as kind of a prison snitch, 1525 01:12:19,643 --> 01:12:21,249 and after a while they transferred him 1526 01:12:21,269 --> 01:12:24,314 up to Orofino, Idaho, to serve his time. 1527 01:12:24,731 --> 01:12:26,379 While he was there, he ended up having 1528 01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:28,693 several different long-term sexual relationships 1529 01:12:28,818 --> 01:12:31,154 with female staff at the prison, 1530 01:12:31,321 --> 01:12:34,199 and so they transferred him to Napa, Idaho, 1531 01:12:34,324 --> 01:12:36,576 which is where he met Renee McKenzie. 1532 01:12:37,494 --> 01:12:39,829 My ex-husband was a senator, 1533 01:12:39,955 --> 01:12:41,164 a state senator. 1534 01:12:41,623 --> 01:12:44,960 Since I wasn't a politician, I was kind of in the background, 1535 01:12:45,418 --> 01:12:46,795 and so I 1536 01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:50,090 learned a lot about Idaho politics. 1537 01:12:50,882 --> 01:12:52,759 My first meeting with Lance was, 1538 01:12:52,884 --> 01:12:55,345 I went to prison and I said, 1539 01:12:55,929 --> 01:12:57,681 "I'm working on prison reform, 1540 01:12:57,806 --> 01:12:59,307 I'm writing 1541 01:12:59,432 --> 01:13:02,519 some legislation for the parole board." 1542 01:13:02,644 --> 01:13:04,688 At first, I thought it was a senator's 1543 01:13:04,813 --> 01:13:08,358 either daughter or sister or relative, 1544 01:13:08,525 --> 01:13:10,360 because to me, in my mind, 1545 01:13:10,485 --> 01:13:13,571 senator, old, you know, 98 years old. 1546 01:13:13,697 --> 01:13:16,825 You know, I didn't know, so it was kind of, 1547 01:13:17,283 --> 01:13:19,744 "Hey, this is pretty nice," you know? 1548 01:13:19,869 --> 01:13:22,872 All I wanted to talk to him about was prison reform, 1549 01:13:22,998 --> 01:13:26,251 what could be done on the inside of prison to improve, 1550 01:13:27,127 --> 01:13:28,753 you know, what Idaho had going. 1551 01:13:28,878 --> 01:13:30,922 Renee, much like me, 1552 01:13:31,381 --> 01:13:34,134 was enamored by this... 1553 01:13:34,843 --> 01:13:36,043 individual. 1554 01:13:37,053 --> 01:13:38,513 Uh... 1555 01:13:38,638 --> 01:13:40,877 So there was an immediate attraction there then? 1556 01:13:40,932 --> 01:13:42,809 Immediate attraction to her. 1557 01:13:42,934 --> 01:13:44,686 And so I came home 1558 01:13:45,103 --> 01:13:46,303 that night, 1559 01:13:46,646 --> 01:13:48,690 and I remember going in the computer room 1560 01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:50,275 and looking him up, 1561 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,716 'cause I just thought, I wonder what he's in prison for? 1562 01:13:52,736 --> 01:13:56,489 His crime is absolutely horrific. 1563 01:13:57,574 --> 01:13:58,774 So, uh... 1564 01:13:59,367 --> 01:14:01,327 being the interrogator that I am, 1565 01:14:01,453 --> 01:14:03,371 I wrote down my thousand questions, 1566 01:14:03,496 --> 01:14:05,582 and went back and slapped 1567 01:14:06,249 --> 01:14:07,959 my folder on the table, and I said, 1568 01:14:08,084 --> 01:14:09,169 "I got some questions for you, 1569 01:14:09,294 --> 01:14:10,567 and you're gonna answer all of them." 1570 01:14:10,587 --> 01:14:13,006 She was drilling me, all right? 1571 01:14:13,423 --> 01:14:15,800 And it was funny as that, for some reason, 1572 01:14:15,925 --> 01:14:17,510 I've always... 1573 01:14:18,094 --> 01:14:19,929 been not totally truthful 1574 01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:21,097 with... with everyone, 1575 01:14:21,264 --> 01:14:22,724 it just never happened. 1576 01:14:24,017 --> 01:14:26,311 But with her, I just couldn't shut up. 1577 01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:28,563 So I feel like he was 1578 01:14:28,688 --> 01:14:31,232 transparent, I don't think he was hiding anything. 1579 01:14:31,357 --> 01:14:32,859 He answered all my questions. 1580 01:14:33,234 --> 01:14:36,446 And at the end, she closed the folder and said, 1581 01:14:36,613 --> 01:14:38,328 "I'm glad that you didn't lie to me. 1582 01:14:38,448 --> 01:14:40,472 I'm glad that you were actually honest with me." 1583 01:14:40,492 --> 01:14:41,785 She had 1584 01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:45,663 gotten the same types of stories from Lance that I got. 1585 01:14:47,165 --> 01:14:49,209 And Lance was very convincing. 1586 01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:52,670 So we built a real quick friendship. 1587 01:14:53,129 --> 01:14:55,298 We didn't become romantic, 1588 01:14:55,465 --> 01:14:58,218 but I think, when two people are working on a cause 1589 01:14:58,343 --> 01:15:01,971 so hard and so emotionally, 1590 01:15:02,138 --> 01:15:04,390 you kind of click, as far as 1591 01:15:05,141 --> 01:15:07,352 what you're trying to accomplish, 1592 01:15:08,144 --> 01:15:09,646 with prison reform. 1593 01:15:09,813 --> 01:15:12,524 Were you flirtatious? Were you complimentary? 1594 01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:15,151 No, I was all business. 1595 01:15:15,819 --> 01:15:18,446 And it wasn't until after our first trial 1596 01:15:18,571 --> 01:15:19,928 that we kind of admitted to each other 1597 01:15:19,948 --> 01:15:21,825 that we had feelings for each other. 1598 01:15:22,659 --> 01:15:24,410 Did you and Lance fall in love? 1599 01:15:26,287 --> 01:15:27,487 Um... 1600 01:15:31,084 --> 01:15:33,461 Those are hard things to answer and I don't know. 1601 01:15:36,172 --> 01:15:37,744 Yeah, we absolutely fell in love. 1602 01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:41,261 When Renee's husband found out 1603 01:15:41,386 --> 01:15:43,680 about her relationship with Lance, 1604 01:15:43,805 --> 01:15:46,474 it hit the local newspapers and there was a lot of drama. 1605 01:15:46,599 --> 01:15:49,018 Lance ended up getting transferred again, 1606 01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:52,730 this time to a minimum security prison in Pendleton, Oregon. 1607 01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:55,775 Renee moved there to be with him, 1608 01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:57,610 after divorcing her husband. 1609 01:15:57,735 --> 01:15:59,509 And she and Lance ended up getting married 1610 01:15:59,529 --> 01:16:01,030 in the prison there. 1611 01:16:06,202 --> 01:16:08,204 Lance Wood was sentenced to life in prison 1612 01:16:08,329 --> 01:16:09,806 with the possibility of parole. 1613 01:16:09,914 --> 01:16:12,458 He could see the light of day again. 1614 01:16:16,754 --> 01:16:18,528 At this point, he's applied for parole twice 1615 01:16:18,548 --> 01:16:20,508 and been denied both times. 1616 01:16:21,217 --> 01:16:22,844 Every denial as of yet has been 1617 01:16:22,969 --> 01:16:24,721 based solely on the crime itself, 1618 01:16:24,846 --> 01:16:26,347 and not my behavior in prison. 1619 01:16:26,472 --> 01:16:28,711 Okay. Do you feel like you've had good behavior? 1620 01:16:29,058 --> 01:16:30,351 You know, my ill behavior 1621 01:16:30,476 --> 01:16:32,228 is probably the staff relationships. 1622 01:16:32,729 --> 01:16:34,189 I guess I'm not Irish, 1623 01:16:34,314 --> 01:16:35,795 but for the luck of the Irish, you know, 1624 01:16:35,815 --> 01:16:38,234 the women have just been coming to me, so... 1625 01:16:39,611 --> 01:16:42,322 Lance Wood is a very 1626 01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:46,075 charming person. 1627 01:16:46,743 --> 01:16:49,162 I was fired, let go from Hospice Care 1628 01:16:49,287 --> 01:16:50,811 for having several relationships 1629 01:16:50,872 --> 01:16:53,291 with the female staff down there, the nurses. 1630 01:16:56,544 --> 01:16:57,962 He's also very... 1631 01:17:00,089 --> 01:17:01,299 cunning. 1632 01:17:03,927 --> 01:17:06,721 In Lance's own words, he's called himself a womanizer. 1633 01:17:07,972 --> 01:17:09,515 Lance is a womanizer. 1634 01:17:11,309 --> 01:17:12,977 What's your opinion on that? 1635 01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,397 Um... He loves women. 1636 01:17:17,023 --> 01:17:20,693 And he went into prison when he was, what, 21? 1637 01:17:21,569 --> 01:17:24,405 So think yourself, in prison, at 21. 1638 01:17:26,491 --> 01:17:28,743 If you're a womanizer, you're gonna womanize. 1639 01:17:31,371 --> 01:17:33,748 Let's see, one was a Sandy Martin. 1640 01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:36,700 And... 1641 01:17:38,127 --> 01:17:39,420 Cheryl Davis, 1642 01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:41,965 and three others 1643 01:17:42,131 --> 01:17:43,529 that I don't wanna mention their names 1644 01:17:43,549 --> 01:17:44,968 just because they... 1645 01:17:45,093 --> 01:17:46,951 We had never met with any investigator. 1646 01:17:47,136 --> 01:17:49,555 I guess, the way I could 1647 01:17:49,681 --> 01:17:52,392 possibly best describe it, is... 1648 01:17:53,059 --> 01:17:54,259 Ted Bundy. 1649 01:17:55,228 --> 01:17:57,855 He is a very nice-looking man, 1650 01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:00,474 who... 1651 01:18:01,401 --> 01:18:03,152 who manipulates people. 1652 01:18:03,861 --> 01:18:06,948 Let us see, I followed suit down there. 1653 01:18:07,824 --> 01:18:09,951 Started a few more relationships. 1654 01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,705 That's when I met Cheryl... I mean... 1655 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,200 Renee. 1656 01:18:23,756 --> 01:18:25,071 Yeah, when people go to prison, 1657 01:18:25,091 --> 01:18:26,990 they have nothing but time on their hands, 1658 01:18:27,010 --> 01:18:30,013 and it sounds like he's used that time to 1659 01:18:30,138 --> 01:18:34,726 continue to wreak havoc in multiple people's lives. 1660 01:18:44,986 --> 01:18:47,030 He says, "A lot of people believe 1661 01:18:47,155 --> 01:18:48,364 'an eye for an eye'," 1662 01:18:48,531 --> 01:18:49,449 he says, "How do you feel about it, Mom?" 1663 01:18:49,574 --> 01:18:50,774 And I says, "Well, 1664 01:18:50,908 --> 01:18:52,390 that's what it says in the Bible, 1665 01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:53,995 I guess, I've never read it. 1666 01:18:54,704 --> 01:18:57,040 But I don't know, some people believe in it, 1667 01:18:57,165 --> 01:18:58,396 and I keep thinking, you... 1668 01:18:58,416 --> 01:18:59,988 You had to pay for your mistakes." 1669 01:19:01,586 --> 01:19:03,063 When Mike first went to prison, 1670 01:19:03,087 --> 01:19:04,505 he was very, very angry, 1671 01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:07,091 and he was very suicidal, and he was very depressed. 1672 01:19:08,259 --> 01:19:10,283 Well, at the beginning, it was kind of hard on him, 1673 01:19:10,303 --> 01:19:13,639 I mean, he'd been incarcerated before, many times. 1674 01:19:14,057 --> 01:19:16,039 But like he says, "This is a big boy thing," 1675 01:19:16,059 --> 01:19:17,259 this is not a 1676 01:19:17,518 --> 01:19:19,062 young punk, type thing, 1677 01:19:19,187 --> 01:19:21,522 this is... this is a big thing. 1678 01:19:22,857 --> 01:19:24,692 I think finally he just settled down 1679 01:19:24,817 --> 01:19:27,445 into the fact that this is where he was. 1680 01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:29,197 This was his life, 1681 01:19:29,322 --> 01:19:31,783 and he got older, and matured. 1682 01:19:33,242 --> 01:19:34,202 Like he told me, he says, 1683 01:19:34,327 --> 01:19:36,412 "If I knew then what I know now, 1684 01:19:36,579 --> 01:19:38,289 and how many people care about me 1685 01:19:38,414 --> 01:19:39,729 and what I could have done with my life," 1686 01:19:39,749 --> 01:19:41,542 he says, "I've wasted my whole life 1687 01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:43,378 just being bitter and angry." 1688 01:19:46,422 --> 01:19:48,091 Michael talked about, 1689 01:19:48,257 --> 01:19:49,092 after the crime, 1690 01:19:49,217 --> 01:19:50,593 that he felt 1691 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,095 that Gordon had come to him, 1692 01:19:52,261 --> 01:19:56,349 that he dreamed him regularly, all of the time. 1693 01:19:57,225 --> 01:19:59,352 He says, "Like I could almost smell him, 1694 01:19:59,477 --> 01:20:01,479 it's like he died in my cell." 1695 01:20:01,604 --> 01:20:03,147 He says it was hard, 1696 01:20:03,272 --> 01:20:04,607 so he lost a lot of weight 1697 01:20:04,732 --> 01:20:07,276 because he just couldn't sleep. 1698 01:20:08,945 --> 01:20:10,863 They work out a lot at the prison, 1699 01:20:10,988 --> 01:20:13,199 and he had rigged up his own weights, 1700 01:20:13,866 --> 01:20:16,702 milk cartons full of water, and weights on them, 1701 01:20:16,828 --> 01:20:19,247 to pump iron, and ironically, 1702 01:20:19,372 --> 01:20:20,748 it was on the anniversary 1703 01:20:20,873 --> 01:20:23,292 of the date of his crime. 1704 01:20:23,793 --> 01:20:25,253 He says he heard a pop, 1705 01:20:25,795 --> 01:20:27,110 and the other guys around him 1706 01:20:27,130 --> 01:20:28,965 heard the pop sound like a gunshot. 1707 01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:31,592 One of the elastics snapped on his weights 1708 01:20:31,717 --> 01:20:33,116 and came back and hit him in the eye 1709 01:20:33,136 --> 01:20:35,721 and ruptured his eye and he lost his eyeball. 1710 01:20:37,306 --> 01:20:38,975 He says, "I should have been dead." 1711 01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:42,311 He says, "If that had gotten just a little fraction 1712 01:20:42,437 --> 01:20:43,855 of an inch or whatever," 1713 01:20:43,980 --> 01:20:46,212 he says "it would had probably blown my brains out." 1714 01:20:46,232 --> 01:20:48,471 He says, "But there was a reason why it didn't." 1715 01:20:49,068 --> 01:20:51,112 He said it was just so strange 1716 01:20:51,237 --> 01:20:52,613 that it was on that day. 1717 01:20:52,738 --> 01:20:54,323 He almost felt like 1718 01:20:54,490 --> 01:20:58,619 it released some kind of almost, some guilt with him. 1719 01:21:01,622 --> 01:21:03,332 Michael Anthony Archuleta 1720 01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:05,251 has not been executed. 1721 01:21:05,376 --> 01:21:06,576 And, uh... 1722 01:21:07,003 --> 01:21:10,214 that's a tragedy, and it's a failing of our system. 1723 01:21:11,632 --> 01:21:12,633 I don't know if they'll ever 1724 01:21:12,758 --> 01:21:14,802 execute Archuleta or not. 1725 01:21:14,927 --> 01:21:16,345 You know, he's been there for 1726 01:21:16,721 --> 01:21:19,140 thirty years, almost, now, and... 1727 01:21:20,099 --> 01:21:22,018 still fighting it, which is ridiculous. 1728 01:21:22,143 --> 01:21:23,905 Good morning again, Mr. Chief Justice, 1729 01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:26,127 Associate Chief Justice, members of the court. 1730 01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:28,379 May it please the court, my name is Charlotte Merrill. 1731 01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:30,776 Again, I represent Michael Anthony Archuleta. 1732 01:21:30,902 --> 01:21:32,925 So there are a lot of things that came to light. 1733 01:21:32,945 --> 01:21:36,532 The sexual abuse, you know, when he was at State Hospital. 1734 01:21:36,657 --> 01:21:37,889 Of course, none of this was known 1735 01:21:37,909 --> 01:21:39,744 at the time of his original trial. 1736 01:21:40,536 --> 01:21:43,539 Mr. Archuleta was entitled to the effective assistance 1737 01:21:43,664 --> 01:21:44,916 of post-conviction counsel 1738 01:21:45,041 --> 01:21:47,752 in his initial post-conviction proceedings. 1739 01:21:48,544 --> 01:21:50,338 But his counsel was conflicted, 1740 01:21:50,713 --> 01:21:53,466 under-qualified, and under-funded, 1741 01:21:53,591 --> 01:21:55,635 and missed serious red flags, 1742 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,929 that he was intellectually disabled, 1743 01:21:58,429 --> 01:21:59,972 and, thus, 1744 01:22:00,348 --> 01:22:01,933 ineligible for execution. 1745 01:22:02,975 --> 01:22:05,770 He went through all of his state appeals, 1746 01:22:05,895 --> 01:22:08,814 they finally finished, I think, about five years ago. 1747 01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:10,983 And then the federal appeals started. 1748 01:22:11,859 --> 01:22:13,736 And I don't understand why 1749 01:22:13,903 --> 01:22:16,427 all those appeals weren't taking place at the same time. 1750 01:22:16,447 --> 01:22:17,949 I don't understand that. 1751 01:22:18,074 --> 01:22:19,909 You know, a wrongly-imprisoned 1752 01:22:20,076 --> 01:22:21,696 criminal defendant who has claims, 1753 01:22:21,786 --> 01:22:23,768 has every incentive to bring those claims early, 1754 01:22:23,788 --> 01:22:25,312 and to pursue them aggressively. 1755 01:22:26,082 --> 01:22:29,710 It's the opposite if you have a guilty person on death row. 1756 01:22:29,835 --> 01:22:31,420 That person 1757 01:22:31,546 --> 01:22:33,152 has every incentive to wait until the last possible minute 1758 01:22:33,172 --> 01:22:36,509 to bring claims to gum up the works of litigation. 1759 01:22:36,884 --> 01:22:38,282 And all we're appealing now is, 1760 01:22:38,302 --> 01:22:40,304 little, teeny, micro-technicalities, 1761 01:22:40,429 --> 01:22:41,953 and that's what's drawing this whole thing out, 1762 01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:43,173 and keeping him alive. 1763 01:22:43,516 --> 01:22:46,269 I mean, they filed their federal petition in 2012. 1764 01:22:46,435 --> 01:22:47,770 We're standing here in 2018, 1765 01:22:47,937 --> 01:22:49,460 and really nothing's happened in the federal case, 1766 01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:51,420 because we've been litigating these the whole time. 1767 01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,985 And that's already a victory for their client. 1768 01:22:56,237 --> 01:22:58,781 Sitting on death row, while intellectually disabled, 1769 01:22:58,906 --> 01:23:00,324 is not a victory. 1770 01:23:01,909 --> 01:23:05,121 Knowing the horrific situation with Mr. Archuleta, 1771 01:23:05,288 --> 01:23:07,270 I don't know why we're paying for all of his medical bills, 1772 01:23:07,290 --> 01:23:08,604 and all of the things to keep him alive. 1773 01:23:08,624 --> 01:23:09,959 I think that, 1774 01:23:10,084 --> 01:23:11,857 realistically, the state of Utah needs to carry out 1775 01:23:11,877 --> 01:23:13,212 what it's intended to do. 1776 01:23:15,673 --> 01:23:17,154 He's been given execution dates, 1777 01:23:17,174 --> 01:23:19,719 that have come and gone, but you never know when, 1778 01:23:19,844 --> 01:23:21,512 when it's not, you know? 1779 01:23:21,637 --> 01:23:22,994 So we've geared ourselves up, 1780 01:23:23,014 --> 01:23:24,557 and then it doesn't happen, 1781 01:23:24,682 --> 01:23:26,559 and then we geared ourselves up, 1782 01:23:26,684 --> 01:23:28,269 for many, many years. 1783 01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:31,063 We as prosecutors concentrate 1784 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:34,442 on the victims, and the victims' families. 1785 01:23:34,567 --> 01:23:35,985 And for them to wait 1786 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,239 five years, and then a decade, and then two decades... 1787 01:23:41,157 --> 01:23:42,450 It takes its toll 1788 01:23:42,908 --> 01:23:45,161 on the families. 1789 01:23:45,328 --> 01:23:46,528 The day may come, 1790 01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:49,874 and we've always known that, 1791 01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:52,700 but, 1792 01:23:52,793 --> 01:23:54,066 that's the one thing I don't want 1793 01:23:54,086 --> 01:23:56,297 my Mom and Dad to have to go through is, 1794 01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:57,757 his execution. 1795 01:24:12,730 --> 01:24:13,930 The end of every story, 1796 01:24:14,023 --> 01:24:14,940 the one that gets to tell the story 1797 01:24:15,066 --> 01:24:16,400 is usually the victor, 1798 01:24:16,525 --> 01:24:18,110 and in any case right now, 1799 01:24:18,235 --> 01:24:19,695 it seems like the only victor 1800 01:24:19,862 --> 01:24:21,364 is still the murderers, 1801 01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:24,054 so it almost feels like they're the only ones that are 1802 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,703 getting their stories told and their intimate details, 1803 01:24:27,828 --> 01:24:30,331 not this amazing man that they... 1804 01:24:30,956 --> 01:24:32,625 that they ended his life. 1805 01:24:35,503 --> 01:24:38,339 But I think the Gordon Ray Church story 1806 01:24:38,464 --> 01:24:39,757 will help, 1807 01:24:39,882 --> 01:24:42,025 because we can look back thirty years and say, 1808 01:24:42,385 --> 01:24:46,931 My God, I cannot believe that happened in southern Utah. 1809 01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:50,893 I think the Gordon Church case 1810 01:24:51,018 --> 01:24:52,269 is one of those cases 1811 01:24:52,395 --> 01:24:53,959 that kind of shocked the people's conscience, 1812 01:24:53,979 --> 01:24:55,898 and probably moved us forward and said, 1813 01:24:56,065 --> 01:24:57,400 it's time for a change. 1814 01:24:57,566 --> 01:24:59,507 And I think SB103 is gonna go down in history 1815 01:24:59,527 --> 01:25:02,822 as one of the defining moments in Utah's history, 1816 01:25:02,947 --> 01:25:04,662 as far as making the right decisions 1817 01:25:04,782 --> 01:25:06,068 and doing the right things. 1818 01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:09,537 You had me at SB103. 1819 01:25:11,205 --> 01:25:12,645 Thank you very much for your work. 1820 01:25:12,665 --> 01:25:14,021 I know this hasn't been easy, 1821 01:25:14,041 --> 01:25:16,293 but I'm very supportive. 1822 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,048 After a long fight, on April second of this year, 1823 01:25:21,173 --> 01:25:23,008 SB103 was finally passed into law, 1824 01:25:23,134 --> 01:25:26,053 and we have hate crimes legislation in Utah now. 1825 01:25:34,103 --> 01:25:36,021 It was shocking, the fact that we got 1826 01:25:36,605 --> 01:25:39,734 a veto-proof margin in the House of Representatives, 1827 01:25:39,859 --> 01:25:41,059 to support this, 1828 01:25:41,152 --> 01:25:43,028 which tells me that Utah has realized 1829 01:25:43,154 --> 01:25:46,907 that the time had come to have a law that works. 1830 01:25:47,783 --> 01:25:49,212 And I think it may save lives. 1831 01:25:49,535 --> 01:25:52,872 I do believe that by having a law like this on the books 1832 01:25:52,997 --> 01:25:54,915 is gonna send a message to people that 1833 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,731 we're a civil society and a civil state, 1834 01:25:56,751 --> 01:26:00,171 and people can't get away with these kind of crimes in Utah. 1835 01:26:02,423 --> 01:26:04,300 You have to love your kids, 1836 01:26:04,425 --> 01:26:05,426 no matter what. 1837 01:26:05,551 --> 01:26:07,551 You can't just love them when they're good. 1838 01:26:07,636 --> 01:26:09,684 You have to love them when they're bad, too. 1839 01:26:10,473 --> 01:26:11,954 That's all there is to it, I mean, 1840 01:26:11,974 --> 01:26:13,267 that's how it is. 1841 01:26:20,357 --> 01:26:21,964 I think I've learned from my parents 1842 01:26:21,984 --> 01:26:23,444 about unconditional love. 1843 01:26:24,361 --> 01:26:26,447 Never have they quit loving Michael. 1844 01:26:26,947 --> 01:26:28,240 Never has my mom, 1845 01:26:28,741 --> 01:26:30,451 never have we denied him, 1846 01:26:31,076 --> 01:26:33,287 never have we quit caring about him. 1847 01:26:33,829 --> 01:26:35,039 Never have we not 1848 01:26:35,164 --> 01:26:36,879 considered him a part of our family. 1849 01:26:37,666 --> 01:26:38,876 And so if anything, 1850 01:26:39,001 --> 01:26:41,045 I have learned that from my parents, 1851 01:26:41,170 --> 01:26:43,881 that if you really love someone, you love someone. 1852 01:26:52,807 --> 01:26:54,016 I would hope that 1853 01:26:54,183 --> 01:26:56,018 from this case, 1854 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,104 people would be more understanding 1855 01:26:59,230 --> 01:27:00,940 of their own children, 1856 01:27:01,565 --> 01:27:03,567 of their neighbors. 1857 01:27:04,944 --> 01:27:06,144 We're all different. 1858 01:27:06,612 --> 01:27:08,697 And because someone is black, 1859 01:27:08,864 --> 01:27:10,866 or bald, or short 1860 01:27:11,033 --> 01:27:12,910 or has a speech impediment, 1861 01:27:13,702 --> 01:27:14,995 or is gay, 1862 01:27:16,413 --> 01:27:19,458 is not license to treat them with anything but 1863 01:27:19,834 --> 01:27:21,252 respect and love. 1864 01:27:25,631 --> 01:27:27,383 Gordon should be remembered, 1865 01:27:27,550 --> 01:27:31,011 because of all the young kids that are in this world right now 1866 01:27:31,136 --> 01:27:33,764 that are dealing with being gay, 1867 01:27:33,889 --> 01:27:37,226 and not have had the opportunity to tell their parents. 1868 01:27:37,351 --> 01:27:39,812 That's a good thing, because it allows people 1869 01:27:39,937 --> 01:27:41,438 to be who they are, 1870 01:27:42,273 --> 01:27:44,191 and not have to hide in the shadows. 1871 01:27:47,903 --> 01:27:50,197 If you could say anything to Gordon now, 1872 01:27:50,781 --> 01:27:51,991 what would you say? 1873 01:27:57,955 --> 01:28:00,791 I just I don't have any words. I... 1874 01:28:01,542 --> 01:28:04,211 I don't know, just how sorry I am, and... 1875 01:28:05,129 --> 01:28:07,464 how the hell I wish somebody had 1876 01:28:08,924 --> 01:28:11,010 been able to protect him at the time. 1877 01:28:13,137 --> 01:28:14,337 How'd we do? 1878 01:28:15,598 --> 01:28:17,224 Did we get it right? 1879 01:28:17,933 --> 01:28:19,268 Did we get it right for you, 1880 01:28:19,393 --> 01:28:21,896 did we represent you as well as we could? 1881 01:28:24,231 --> 01:28:26,942 Everyone who's been involved in this case, 1882 01:28:27,067 --> 01:28:29,153 we did our very best, 1883 01:28:39,204 --> 01:28:41,916 I know he's in a better place. Enjoy. 1884 01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:46,410 I would... 1885 01:28:47,463 --> 01:28:49,632 He's so tiny, I'd pick him up. 1886 01:28:51,467 --> 01:28:53,677 And give him a nice big squeeze. 1887 01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:58,057 He didn't deserve to die. 1888 01:28:58,933 --> 01:29:00,351 I've got a gay grandson, 1889 01:29:00,476 --> 01:29:02,625 and I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to do that to him 1890 01:29:02,645 --> 01:29:03,845 for that reason. 1891 01:29:04,688 --> 01:29:06,607 It just breaks my heart that 1892 01:29:06,732 --> 01:29:07,983 somebody I know and love 1893 01:29:08,150 --> 01:29:11,070 has been involved in hurting someone so much, 1894 01:29:11,654 --> 01:29:13,948 and wish I could change it, and I just can't. 1895 01:29:14,949 --> 01:29:15,991 I'm so sorry. 1896 01:29:16,158 --> 01:29:17,701 Oh, so sorry. 1897 01:29:23,999 --> 01:29:26,877 I'd really like the image of you being hurt, 1898 01:29:27,336 --> 01:29:29,546 to go away, I don't want you to hurt. 1899 01:29:29,672 --> 01:29:32,091 I'd want you to go back to that same moment, 1900 01:29:32,216 --> 01:29:33,864 from where we're looking out the window, 1901 01:29:33,884 --> 01:29:35,636 and you see the stars so clear. 1902 01:29:40,391 --> 01:29:43,477 I just want to hold each other and, you know? 1903 01:29:43,602 --> 01:29:45,459 One of the biggest things anybody wants to hear 1904 01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,356 is that things are just gonna be okay. 1905 01:29:47,940 --> 01:29:51,026 And when I hear that voice, it's ever so soft in my head, 1906 01:29:51,151 --> 01:29:52,778 and I know a lot of times, 1907 01:29:54,029 --> 01:29:57,241 he's one of the voices that says, it's gonna be okay. 1908 01:29:59,118 --> 01:30:00,318 And, 1909 01:30:01,704 --> 01:30:04,248 I would want to tell him it's gonna be okay.140099

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