Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:02:44,263 --> 00:02:47,099
I got a call at
two or three in the morning.
2
00:02:47,475 --> 00:02:48,809
I was told
3
00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:53,439
that Lance Conway Wood
was at the sheriff's department.
4
00:02:54,523 --> 00:02:58,319
Sergeant Frank Slack
is the one that called me,
5
00:02:58,444 --> 00:03:00,321
and he said...
He's telling me this tale
6
00:03:00,446 --> 00:03:02,364
about somebody that was murdered.
7
00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:06,160
"I think this guy is on meth or crazy,
8
00:03:06,577 --> 00:03:09,497
but could you come down
and help me with this?"
9
00:03:10,206 --> 00:03:11,999
2:40 in the morning.
10
00:03:12,124 --> 00:03:14,084
We're at the Iron County Jail facility
11
00:03:14,668 --> 00:03:16,545
asking some questions of Lance Wood.
12
00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:19,882
Lance Wood informs
John Grath and Sergeant Slack
13
00:03:20,007 --> 00:03:22,176
that he has some information
14
00:03:22,718 --> 00:03:24,428
about a possible homicide.
15
00:03:26,096 --> 00:03:29,558
He told a horrific tale.
16
00:03:32,186 --> 00:03:34,897
So it was me, Mike...
17
00:03:37,316 --> 00:03:38,984
You're driving down the road.
18
00:03:39,109 --> 00:03:41,070
All I know is that...
19
00:03:43,697 --> 00:03:46,450
he was driving and Mike slit his throat.
20
00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:48,963
- While he was driving?
- While he's driving,
21
00:03:49,078 --> 00:03:50,996
and then he cut his shoulders, too.
22
00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:54,166
All the dude says is "ouch," you know?
23
00:03:54,542 --> 00:03:56,209
And what happened after he cut him?
24
00:03:56,252 --> 00:03:58,003
Cut him, dude pulled over...
25
00:03:58,712 --> 00:04:00,965
Mike had sex with him on top of the...
26
00:04:01,465 --> 00:04:03,342
- With the guy?
- With the guy.
27
00:04:04,176 --> 00:04:07,012
I've stayed in the car
while this is happening.
28
00:04:07,471 --> 00:04:08,671
He got out,
29
00:04:08,764 --> 00:04:10,621
I know he picked up, like, the tire iron,
30
00:04:10,641 --> 00:04:12,309
start smashing his head.
31
00:04:14,186 --> 00:04:17,731
And I remember thinking,
This is too violent,
32
00:04:17,857 --> 00:04:21,694
too sad, too outrageous to be true.
33
00:04:22,987 --> 00:04:26,782
Mike tell you why he killed this Church?
34
00:04:27,575 --> 00:04:29,618
'Cause he's a faggot.
35
00:04:29,743 --> 00:04:31,453
That's what he said?
36
00:04:32,997 --> 00:04:35,249
I was about ready to wrap it up,
37
00:04:35,583 --> 00:04:37,877
and then I remember
looking down on his shoe
38
00:04:38,002 --> 00:04:40,462
and I saw one speck of blood.
39
00:04:41,922 --> 00:04:44,884
And that changed everything for me.
40
00:04:51,223 --> 00:04:53,767
So I came out of the closet in 2011
41
00:04:53,934 --> 00:04:55,144
and moved to Utah.
42
00:04:55,728 --> 00:04:58,856
At a certain point, I started
researching gay hate crimes.
43
00:04:59,481 --> 00:05:01,483
You ever heard of Matthew Shepard?
44
00:05:01,609 --> 00:05:02,693
I remember the case.
45
00:05:02,818 --> 00:05:06,238
Hit national news. It was huge.
46
00:05:07,823 --> 00:05:09,109
And his name is remembered.
47
00:05:09,158 --> 00:05:10,873
People honor him.
There are memorials
48
00:05:10,993 --> 00:05:14,163
and funds and scholarships, and...
49
00:05:14,288 --> 00:05:16,957
- Gordon has been forgotten.
- Just kinda drifted away.
50
00:05:17,124 --> 00:05:19,124
I mean, not forgotten
by his family, but...
51
00:05:19,209 --> 00:05:21,545
No. No, I know what you mean.
52
00:05:23,464 --> 00:05:25,382
Will you tell us your name, please?
53
00:05:25,507 --> 00:05:27,593
My name is Nancy Church.
54
00:05:27,718 --> 00:05:29,762
And you live in Delta, Utah?
55
00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:31,472
Yes, I do.
56
00:05:31,847 --> 00:05:33,140
Who is your spouse?
57
00:05:33,307 --> 00:05:34,808
David Church.
58
00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:36,696
Can you tell us if you have children,
59
00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:38,520
and how many children?
60
00:05:38,646 --> 00:05:40,230
Yes, I do.
61
00:05:40,356 --> 00:05:41,649
I have three sons.
62
00:05:41,774 --> 00:05:44,401
A son Craig, who is in Cedar City,
63
00:05:44,526 --> 00:05:47,237
a son Kevin, who's in Philadelphia,
64
00:05:47,363 --> 00:05:49,949
and a son, Gordon, who's dead.
65
00:05:51,158 --> 00:05:52,493
The case of Gordon Church
66
00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:54,828
kind of took over my life
at a certain point.
67
00:05:54,995 --> 00:05:56,602
It became kind of a personal mission
68
00:05:56,622 --> 00:05:59,625
to see Gordon remembered and honored.
69
00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:04,546
At the age of 28, he was living
in Cedar City, Utah,
70
00:06:04,672 --> 00:06:07,091
attending Southern Utah State College
71
00:06:07,216 --> 00:06:08,717
as a theater tech major.
72
00:06:11,345 --> 00:06:14,473
He was a very small guy,
I mean, very skinny.
73
00:06:15,849 --> 00:06:17,142
Very nice guy.
74
00:06:17,768 --> 00:06:19,770
He had the perfect '80s hair!
75
00:06:19,895 --> 00:06:22,398
And just...
76
00:06:23,023 --> 00:06:25,526
just a normal 28 year-old.
77
00:06:26,193 --> 00:06:28,654
He loved his family very much,
78
00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:32,491
and his personality reflected that.
79
00:06:34,743 --> 00:06:36,370
With respect to your son Gordon,
80
00:06:36,495 --> 00:06:38,580
where did he live in November of 1988?
81
00:06:39,164 --> 00:06:42,543
November of 1988, he was
living in my mother's house.
82
00:06:43,002 --> 00:06:46,046
He had decided that
he wanted to go back to school.
83
00:06:46,213 --> 00:06:47,778
And so he rented a room from my mother,
84
00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,717
which was more economical for him,
85
00:06:49,842 --> 00:06:51,385
and it helped her out,
86
00:06:51,552 --> 00:06:53,701
because she's retired
and living on limited money.
87
00:06:53,721 --> 00:06:55,472
And then he would shovel her snow
88
00:06:55,597 --> 00:06:57,788
and take care of her,
and so it was a relief to us
89
00:06:57,808 --> 00:06:59,643
to have someone with my mother.
90
00:07:00,728 --> 00:07:03,147
We would meet pretty much every day
91
00:07:03,272 --> 00:07:05,149
after one of our classes for coffee.
92
00:07:05,274 --> 00:07:07,276
We would just talk.
93
00:07:08,402 --> 00:07:10,404
We'd go cruise Main Street,
94
00:07:10,529 --> 00:07:11,905
the whole five minutes,
95
00:07:12,072 --> 00:07:15,242
and then we'd go park in the park,
96
00:07:15,367 --> 00:07:16,744
and just sit and chat.
97
00:07:19,329 --> 00:07:20,831
He needed an outlet that he...
98
00:07:20,956 --> 00:07:24,626
someone that he could talk to,
and so did I.
99
00:07:28,047 --> 00:07:33,218
He tended to seek out people
that wouldn't reject him
100
00:07:34,011 --> 00:07:35,637
for what he was.
101
00:07:38,766 --> 00:07:41,060
We used to talk about guys.
102
00:07:41,185 --> 00:07:43,479
We both liked the same kind of guy,
103
00:07:43,604 --> 00:07:46,440
only difference is,
Gordon wanted one shorter.
104
00:07:46,607 --> 00:07:47,941
I wanted a six foot two guy,
105
00:07:48,025 --> 00:07:52,488
and he wanted a five foot eight guy.
106
00:07:59,620 --> 00:08:01,997
When I met Gordon,
he was a lot more different.
107
00:08:02,122 --> 00:08:04,708
Uh, he...
108
00:08:04,833 --> 00:08:07,044
experimented, is we will call it.
109
00:08:07,169 --> 00:08:10,756
He had many boyfriends, suitors, lovers.
110
00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:13,592
We actually would go to 7-Eleven.
111
00:08:13,717 --> 00:08:17,304
Gordon always got his Mountain Dew,
112
00:08:17,471 --> 00:08:20,182
or in the evenings, the Diet Coke.
113
00:08:21,308 --> 00:08:24,561
And he would get his cigarettes.
114
00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:26,220
And that was,
115
00:08:26,772 --> 00:08:28,816
I guess, you could say,
both of our vices.
116
00:08:32,694 --> 00:08:34,363
And when I got to college,
117
00:08:34,488 --> 00:08:37,908
that was when I had my first
intimate experience ever.
118
00:08:38,367 --> 00:08:42,121
And, Gordon was a big part of that.
119
00:08:42,246 --> 00:08:45,666
And I was like, wow, this is a rush.
120
00:08:45,833 --> 00:08:47,786
I don't want to leave the house any more.
121
00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:52,528
Always relaxing, always very comfortable.
122
00:08:52,548 --> 00:08:54,883
He was a nice guy to be around.
123
00:08:56,718 --> 00:08:58,554
Makes me miss him.
124
00:09:05,018 --> 00:09:07,104
Is what you told us...
125
00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:10,858
freely and voluntarily and
comes from your own volition?
126
00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:12,484
Yes.
127
00:09:12,609 --> 00:09:13,990
- Nobody's forced you...
- No.
128
00:09:14,111 --> 00:09:15,926
I want to know
what protection I could receive,
129
00:09:15,946 --> 00:09:17,656
can receive.
130
00:09:17,781 --> 00:09:19,555
Are you frightened
because you're afraid of Mike?
131
00:09:19,575 --> 00:09:22,327
Yeah and what he might do, you know?
132
00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:27,541
If he's in jail, you know, for just a...
133
00:09:27,708 --> 00:09:30,294
or for at least 72 hours, I can try...
134
00:09:30,419 --> 00:09:32,546
we can probably find a new apartment.
135
00:09:33,005 --> 00:09:34,236
Or we can do better than that.
136
00:09:34,256 --> 00:09:35,549
We're gonna find the body.
137
00:09:35,674 --> 00:09:36,874
- Yes.
- Okay.
138
00:09:36,967 --> 00:09:39,469
An apartment for me, though.
139
00:09:40,637 --> 00:09:42,055
Yeah. All right.
140
00:09:42,181 --> 00:09:44,515
Well, we got a long ways to go.
First, we gotta...
141
00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,311
I'm concerned
Mr. Archuleta's on the street,
142
00:09:47,436 --> 00:09:49,980
and in this type of murder...
143
00:09:50,105 --> 00:09:51,982
The murder took place one day ago.
144
00:09:52,107 --> 00:09:54,359
I'm concerned that
it's 2:30 in the morning,
145
00:09:54,484 --> 00:09:56,570
you say he's gonna "cruise."
146
00:09:56,737 --> 00:09:57,946
- Yeah.
- It tells me
147
00:09:58,071 --> 00:09:59,781
he's gonna leave the area,
148
00:09:59,907 --> 00:10:01,992
and I want to...
149
00:10:02,659 --> 00:10:04,224
make arrangements to go pick him up.
150
00:10:04,244 --> 00:10:06,226
So we'll conclude
the interview at this time.
151
00:10:06,246 --> 00:10:07,446
- Thank you.
- Alright.
152
00:10:08,081 --> 00:10:11,501
So I remember I called
our sheriff, Ira Schoppmann.
153
00:10:12,211 --> 00:10:15,339
And he said, let's put
this little feller in the car
154
00:10:15,464 --> 00:10:17,925
and let's go see
if we can find us a body.
155
00:10:21,053 --> 00:10:24,348
We got to a turnoff, mile marker 138,
156
00:10:24,473 --> 00:10:27,226
and he said,
"I think it's over there."
157
00:10:28,268 --> 00:10:29,895
And they realized that
158
00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:31,376
this was something very real.
159
00:10:31,396 --> 00:10:32,940
They had a body on their hands.
160
00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:35,442
And there was a dangerous man still free.
161
00:10:35,567 --> 00:10:37,090
So they rushed back to Cedar City
162
00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:38,862
to get Michael Archuleta.
163
00:10:39,446 --> 00:10:41,823
He was with a girlfriend.
164
00:10:41,949 --> 00:10:44,660
They were sleeping
in an apartment in a bed.
165
00:10:44,785 --> 00:10:47,621
I remember we kicked the door in.
166
00:10:48,121 --> 00:10:49,581
And I distinctly remember,
167
00:10:49,706 --> 00:10:51,772
because it was one of
the highlights of the day,
168
00:10:51,792 --> 00:10:54,753
is a Cedar City police officer
169
00:10:54,878 --> 00:10:57,631
shoving
a. 357 Magnum in his mouth,
170
00:10:57,798 --> 00:11:01,385
and, you know, begging him to move.
171
00:11:03,512 --> 00:11:05,847
Archuleta was very compliant.
172
00:11:07,641 --> 00:11:09,142
Denied everything.
173
00:11:09,268 --> 00:11:12,479
And I think before we
even asked him any questions,
174
00:11:12,646 --> 00:11:15,315
he was already pointing the finger
175
00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,942
at Lance Wood.
176
00:11:19,987 --> 00:11:21,613
Once Archuleta was in custody,
177
00:11:21,738 --> 00:11:23,532
police went back with Lance Wood
178
00:11:23,657 --> 00:11:25,492
to begin processing the crime scene.
179
00:11:25,617 --> 00:11:27,494
The area is Dog Valley area,
180
00:11:27,661 --> 00:11:30,664
located approximately milepost 138.
181
00:11:30,831 --> 00:11:33,125
The scene of a homicide, case number...
182
00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:36,044
As I walked forward, taking photographs
183
00:11:36,169 --> 00:11:37,369
from the freeway,
184
00:11:37,504 --> 00:11:38,880
we could see that it was...
185
00:11:39,006 --> 00:11:42,384
it was a red substance on the road.
186
00:11:44,845 --> 00:11:46,045
Hair,
187
00:11:46,179 --> 00:11:47,931
what appeared to be skin.
188
00:11:49,641 --> 00:11:52,060
We knew we had something serious here.
189
00:11:53,353 --> 00:11:55,856
It kind of led us up a trail.
190
00:11:56,023 --> 00:11:58,275
You could see
where something had been drug.
191
00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,943
We got into the area
192
00:12:00,068 --> 00:12:02,446
where we could see
what was underneath there,
193
00:12:02,571 --> 00:12:04,656
and it was a human body.
194
00:12:05,198 --> 00:12:08,410
And I, seeing the body
laying there, I thought,
195
00:12:08,535 --> 00:12:11,079
why, I know this guy.
I know this guy.
196
00:12:11,955 --> 00:12:13,999
Took a picture of the driver's license.
197
00:12:14,124 --> 00:12:16,251
And then had
198
00:12:16,668 --> 00:12:18,045
Captain Dekker look at it.
199
00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,175
And he identified our victim
as Gordon Church.
200
00:12:23,633 --> 00:12:24,885
I remember looking at that
201
00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:26,928
and seeing the address is Delta, Utah,
202
00:12:27,054 --> 00:12:29,222
and I said, "Oh, crap,
I do know this kid."
203
00:12:29,389 --> 00:12:30,766
I hollered up to my sheriff,
204
00:12:30,891 --> 00:12:33,894
and I said, "Sheriff,
this is one of our residents."
205
00:12:34,644 --> 00:12:37,606
And I remember we called his neighbor,
206
00:12:38,273 --> 00:12:39,983
the Churchs' neighbor,
207
00:12:40,108 --> 00:12:41,568
was one of our deputies,
208
00:12:41,735 --> 00:12:43,862
to go make the notification.
209
00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:45,756
Now that was difficult for him,
210
00:12:45,864 --> 00:12:49,242
because he lived three, four houses away.
211
00:12:49,701 --> 00:12:51,370
When I walked up to the door,
212
00:12:51,495 --> 00:12:54,081
Nancy opened the door, she knew
213
00:12:55,123 --> 00:12:58,627
right off something was wrong.
They had been expecting
214
00:12:59,086 --> 00:13:00,420
a call from Gordon.
215
00:13:00,587 --> 00:13:02,635
I think he was coming
home for Thanksgiving.
216
00:13:03,298 --> 00:13:04,841
At ten hundred hours,
217
00:13:04,966 --> 00:13:08,762
reporting officer met
with Mr. and Mrs. David Church,
218
00:13:08,887 --> 00:13:11,139
the parents of the victim, in Delta.
219
00:13:11,848 --> 00:13:13,468
The Churches had several questions
220
00:13:13,558 --> 00:13:15,894
as to the things that had taken place
221
00:13:16,019 --> 00:13:18,105
in reference to the homicide.
222
00:13:18,855 --> 00:13:21,983
I mean, it just
tore them apart. I mean..
223
00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:24,444
And it was tough,
224
00:13:24,569 --> 00:13:26,655
toughest thing I think I've ever done.
225
00:13:27,989 --> 00:13:30,200
This is KUTV News.
226
00:13:30,325 --> 00:13:33,453
Lack of funding is forcing
Utah's first AIDS support group
227
00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:35,080
to shut down in January.
228
00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:37,290
We certainly don't need homosexuals
229
00:13:37,457 --> 00:13:38,792
teaching us about AIDS,
230
00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:40,816
when we can thank
the homosexual community
231
00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:43,004
for this scourge in the first place.
232
00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:47,801
But with the fear of the AIDS crisis
233
00:13:47,968 --> 00:13:51,304
that have just came out,
you almost fear like,
234
00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:52,953
you know, I need to couple up
235
00:13:52,973 --> 00:13:54,413
with somebody who doesn't have it.
236
00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:55,956
I don't even know how you get it,
237
00:13:55,976 --> 00:13:57,561
how you give it to somebody,
238
00:13:57,686 --> 00:13:59,334
or how it's brought out
into the relationship,
239
00:13:59,354 --> 00:14:02,164
but I need to find somebody
right away that doesn't have it.
240
00:14:02,524 --> 00:14:03,858
Yeah, being gay in the 1980s
241
00:14:03,942 --> 00:14:05,549
was completely different than it is now.
242
00:14:05,569 --> 00:14:09,531
I mean, there were more closeted gays.
243
00:14:09,656 --> 00:14:11,908
It just wasn't as accepted.
244
00:14:12,451 --> 00:14:13,368
He tried to hide it.
245
00:14:13,493 --> 00:14:15,787
He never wanted it to be seen.
246
00:14:15,912 --> 00:14:18,874
And I was actually
part of his secret life.
247
00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:22,210
As far as being in Cedar,
248
00:14:22,335 --> 00:14:26,506
it's such a tight-knit
little Mormon community
249
00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,634
that you just didn't show it.
250
00:14:30,302 --> 00:14:31,502
He was...
251
00:14:32,345 --> 00:14:35,807
I think, in his eyes,
disappointing his family.
252
00:14:38,643 --> 00:14:41,021
The Church family was...
253
00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:44,691
They were just good home-grown people.
254
00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,571
They kind of knew that he was not...
255
00:14:51,698 --> 00:14:53,513
that he was not
the good little Mormon boy
256
00:14:53,533 --> 00:14:55,202
that they wanted him to be.
257
00:14:56,286 --> 00:14:59,164
What had been...
I would describe it as a...
258
00:15:00,123 --> 00:15:03,168
pretty happy and robust family,
259
00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,544
the entire Church family.
260
00:15:04,711 --> 00:15:08,507
They were always up,
so to speak, you know?
261
00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:10,634
This incident just
262
00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:12,719
virtually destroyed that whole family.
263
00:15:12,886 --> 00:15:15,805
It ruined Dave for a while.
264
00:15:15,931 --> 00:15:18,767
He quit going to church.
265
00:15:20,393 --> 00:15:23,271
Really got quiet,
never visited with anybody.
266
00:15:23,396 --> 00:15:25,815
It tore him up pretty bad.
267
00:15:26,566 --> 00:15:28,109
It was just a...
268
00:15:29,986 --> 00:15:32,864
life-changing event for a lot of people.
269
00:15:35,534 --> 00:15:39,037
I did not attend
Gordon's funeral in Delta, no.
270
00:15:39,162 --> 00:15:41,665
We knew that the family
didn't want us there.
271
00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:44,167
Because that would have meant to them
272
00:15:44,292 --> 00:15:49,130
accepting the fact that
that Gordon was gay.
273
00:16:01,101 --> 00:16:03,562
Well, what I was told in my youth
274
00:16:03,687 --> 00:16:05,564
and growing up years
275
00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:07,816
is out in Dog Valley here
276
00:16:09,109 --> 00:16:12,487
that it was heavily infested
with prairie dogs.
277
00:16:13,196 --> 00:16:15,824
This is the typical temperature and so on
278
00:16:15,949 --> 00:16:19,869
of the exact morning
that all of this occurred,
279
00:16:19,995 --> 00:16:21,454
and the days leading up to it.
280
00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:23,707
It was damn cold weather.
281
00:16:24,165 --> 00:16:28,628
At this point, we got Wood here,
we had heard his story.
282
00:16:28,753 --> 00:16:31,464
He had indicated
where this had all happened,
283
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:34,843
the homicide had happened,
and where the body was.
284
00:16:36,052 --> 00:16:37,679
And I worked the camera,
285
00:16:37,804 --> 00:16:39,431
and on videotape,
286
00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:41,725
he agreed to do what
287
00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:45,145
I called a crime scene re-enactment.
288
00:16:46,855 --> 00:16:48,712
We'd be continuation
as if we're in a vehicle.
289
00:16:48,732 --> 00:16:50,317
- Okay.
- Still in the vehicle,
290
00:16:50,483 --> 00:16:52,152
Archuleta's still driving.
291
00:16:52,319 --> 00:16:53,778
Right.
292
00:16:54,988 --> 00:16:57,782
And I thought, man, this doesn't happen
293
00:16:57,907 --> 00:17:01,453
very often, you get somebody was there
294
00:17:01,828 --> 00:17:03,538
can be a witness.
295
00:17:04,164 --> 00:17:06,479
But as we walked around
that crime scene down there...
296
00:17:06,499 --> 00:17:08,273
- You're still in the vehicle?
- We're still in the vehicle.
297
00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:10,378
My gut started to churn
and I just thought,
298
00:17:10,503 --> 00:17:11,963
this isn't right.
299
00:17:12,088 --> 00:17:15,216
This guy is leading us down this
300
00:17:16,009 --> 00:17:17,469
merry little path...
301
00:17:19,095 --> 00:17:21,681
...that he wants us to know,
and so I've started
302
00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:24,893
correcting some of my questions
in a different way.
303
00:17:25,018 --> 00:17:27,312
He opened the trunk, and...
304
00:17:28,772 --> 00:17:30,523
he got jerked out of the trunk.
305
00:17:30,649 --> 00:17:32,464
Church dude says, "You're
gonna kill me, aren't you?"
306
00:17:32,484 --> 00:17:35,278
Archuleta goes,
"No, I'm not gonna kill you."
307
00:17:35,403 --> 00:17:37,072
Lance seemed to be
308
00:17:37,197 --> 00:17:39,741
really excited about telling everybody.
309
00:17:41,826 --> 00:17:44,162
Started lifting him
310
00:17:44,287 --> 00:17:48,166
and he started wrapping
the chains around him,
311
00:17:48,291 --> 00:17:50,627
I think the chains,
he hooked the chains up.
312
00:17:51,211 --> 00:17:54,339
And then he hooked the jumper
cables to the guy's balls.
313
00:17:56,216 --> 00:17:59,052
I mean, we just let him rattle on.
314
00:17:59,552 --> 00:18:01,513
I mean, it's just amazing.
315
00:18:02,055 --> 00:18:04,724
You know, we had decided
316
00:18:04,849 --> 00:18:06,518
that's the take on it,
317
00:18:06,643 --> 00:18:08,024
that's what we were gonna do.
318
00:18:08,144 --> 00:18:09,859
I just didn't trust him at the time.
319
00:18:09,896 --> 00:18:11,272
I could just tell there was
320
00:18:11,398 --> 00:18:13,066
more to it than what he was saying,
321
00:18:13,191 --> 00:18:16,486
and I think everybody was the same way.
322
00:18:20,824 --> 00:18:22,764
Archuleta told me
that he'd have to kill him.
323
00:18:22,784 --> 00:18:24,077
On and on and on that day,
324
00:18:24,202 --> 00:18:27,831
from the time of the meeting in Fillmore
325
00:18:28,415 --> 00:18:30,375
on the ride out here,
326
00:18:30,917 --> 00:18:32,335
battin' his gums,
327
00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:36,506
and then out here,
he was just all show and tell.
328
00:18:37,215 --> 00:18:39,592
Which arm and which leg did he use?
329
00:18:39,718 --> 00:18:41,099
The guy was laying like this,
330
00:18:41,177 --> 00:18:42,617
so it had to be this arm and this leg.
331
00:18:42,637 --> 00:18:44,889
Was he laying on his back or his stomach?
332
00:18:45,014 --> 00:18:47,016
Oh, I think his...
333
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,438
back, I think, or stomach.
Probably stomach.
334
00:18:51,563 --> 00:18:55,066
Lance was enjoying
everything he told us about it.
335
00:18:56,151 --> 00:18:57,652
I could see that in his face.
336
00:18:57,777 --> 00:18:59,404
He's, you know, he's laughing
337
00:18:59,529 --> 00:19:01,906
and smiling about things, and...
338
00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:04,033
My God, I wouldn't be
339
00:19:04,159 --> 00:19:07,120
laughing and smiling about
beating somebody's head in.
340
00:19:07,912 --> 00:19:11,583
Once again, he told you
why he killed Mr. Church?
341
00:19:11,708 --> 00:19:13,752
Yeah, because he's a queer.
342
00:19:29,142 --> 00:19:30,393
With Gordon and I,
343
00:19:30,518 --> 00:19:32,292
I wouldn't say that we were flirtatious,
344
00:19:32,312 --> 00:19:33,396
it was more like
345
00:19:33,521 --> 00:19:35,795
we were just two friends
that just loved to giggle
346
00:19:35,815 --> 00:19:36,900
and loved to laugh.
347
00:19:37,025 --> 00:19:38,777
Thing is, as you know, I knew
348
00:19:38,902 --> 00:19:41,654
Jesse was gay, and I knew Gordon was gay,
349
00:19:41,821 --> 00:19:45,450
so the fact that they were
together made me happy, too,
350
00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:48,244
because, you know,
at least they had each other.
351
00:19:48,953 --> 00:19:50,497
I think we were watching...
352
00:19:51,122 --> 00:19:55,710
I know we were watching the
production of Hair.
353
00:19:55,835 --> 00:19:57,253
He was on this side of me,
354
00:19:57,378 --> 00:19:59,589
sitting on the floor, on the couch.
355
00:19:59,714 --> 00:20:01,674
And our hands kind of,
356
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,761
you know, I could feel that
my knee was touching his knee,
357
00:20:04,886 --> 00:20:06,346
and that my hand was getting
358
00:20:06,513 --> 00:20:08,181
really close to touching his hand,
359
00:20:08,306 --> 00:20:11,184
and it felt really comfortable,
360
00:20:11,309 --> 00:20:14,687
it felt really good,
and he gave me a sense of...
361
00:20:15,313 --> 00:20:17,106
I don't know, this is exciting.
362
00:20:17,232 --> 00:20:19,339
This is something
I didn't think I was gonna have
363
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,673
with a really good friend of mine.
364
00:20:20,693 --> 00:20:22,779
There were times
when I would be around him,
365
00:20:22,904 --> 00:20:25,532
and he would flame up,
366
00:20:25,698 --> 00:20:28,451
so to speak, and I could see the flames.
367
00:20:28,993 --> 00:20:31,037
And he had a...
368
00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:34,082
like a Streamline, a Streamline trailer.
369
00:20:34,207 --> 00:20:36,376
And so we went back there,
370
00:20:36,543 --> 00:20:38,795
and stayed up till all hours of the night
371
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,380
just sharing stories,
372
00:20:40,547 --> 00:20:42,403
looking out one of the windows
and seeing the stars.
373
00:20:42,423 --> 00:20:46,594
The stars was just insanely big
and beautiful at the time.
374
00:20:46,719 --> 00:20:49,138
I remember, as a young adult,
375
00:20:49,264 --> 00:20:51,079
that was the first time
I ever noticed that
376
00:20:51,099 --> 00:20:53,601
the stars are so thick
down in southern Utah.
377
00:20:53,726 --> 00:20:57,480
It's the sky, it's just so full.
378
00:20:59,482 --> 00:21:01,047
And I remember the phrase in my head
379
00:21:01,067 --> 00:21:03,778
that I carried, from now until then.
380
00:21:03,903 --> 00:21:05,238
I just remember
381
00:21:05,363 --> 00:21:06,678
when you're holding each other so tight,
382
00:21:06,698 --> 00:21:09,117
and it just feels so good
and so connected,
383
00:21:09,242 --> 00:21:10,807
that when you look down and you can't see
384
00:21:10,827 --> 00:21:12,287
whose arm belongs to who,
385
00:21:12,412 --> 00:21:14,581
and whose leg belongs to who,
386
00:21:14,747 --> 00:21:16,791
and in the distance
you look out the window
387
00:21:16,916 --> 00:21:18,356
and you just see all those stars,
388
00:21:18,376 --> 00:21:20,336
and I mean, I was in love.
389
00:21:27,093 --> 00:21:29,637
Jesse left Cedar City at a certain point,
390
00:21:29,762 --> 00:21:32,599
and he and Gordon were dating
long distance for a while.
391
00:21:32,765 --> 00:21:35,101
It put a lot of strain
on their relationship.
392
00:21:35,727 --> 00:21:37,270
When we talked on the telephone,
393
00:21:37,437 --> 00:21:39,335
it was one of
the last conversations we had.
394
00:21:39,355 --> 00:21:41,900
He would say things are gonna be okay,
395
00:21:42,442 --> 00:21:43,693
and I cried.
396
00:21:43,818 --> 00:21:45,278
And I just thought
397
00:21:45,403 --> 00:21:47,906
I don't understand
what's going on here right now.
398
00:21:49,073 --> 00:21:50,550
A few months later, I remember,
399
00:21:50,617 --> 00:21:54,162
getting a phone call from
one of my good friends, Loy.
400
00:21:54,871 --> 00:21:57,665
Loy had told me that
401
00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:00,460
that Gordon was dead.
402
00:22:06,841 --> 00:22:08,801
I just couldn't understand.
403
00:22:13,306 --> 00:22:17,435
I just couldn't understand
how somebody could do that.
404
00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:24,651
How somebody could do that to
another human being, you know?
405
00:22:24,776 --> 00:22:26,611
It was just not right.
406
00:22:27,904 --> 00:22:29,530
Especially to Gordon.
407
00:22:34,285 --> 00:22:38,373
I wish that when he had passed away,
408
00:22:39,415 --> 00:22:41,250
that I could tell his parents,
409
00:22:41,376 --> 00:22:44,337
his family, you know,
410
00:22:44,462 --> 00:22:45,755
that this is
411
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,320
not necessarily the way
he wanted to come out to you,
412
00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:49,634
but he's a good person.
413
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,387
And he had a good soul and a good heart.
414
00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:55,143
Gordon wouldn't have
that kind of coming out story.
415
00:22:55,181 --> 00:22:57,016
He wouldn't have anybody to hold him.
416
00:22:57,141 --> 00:22:58,998
This was how the people were holding him.
417
00:22:59,018 --> 00:23:00,269
They're killing him!
418
00:23:00,395 --> 00:23:03,856
And there's nobody in that room...
419
00:23:06,526 --> 00:23:08,861
Who's gonna be able to talk to him
420
00:23:09,028 --> 00:23:11,030
and tell him, you know,
421
00:23:11,155 --> 00:23:13,157
"I still love you," or,
422
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,576
"It's gonna be okay."
423
00:23:27,088 --> 00:23:28,881
Some time later, we decided
424
00:23:29,048 --> 00:23:30,668
that we've got to arrest this guy,
425
00:23:30,717 --> 00:23:33,594
although we didn't have anything
to hold him on the murder.
426
00:23:34,095 --> 00:23:36,931
When I got there, I was advised
427
00:23:37,056 --> 00:23:40,435
to take custody of Lance Wood.
428
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,760
They wanted to do
429
00:23:41,853 --> 00:23:44,272
what they call a Code R kit,
or a rape kit.
430
00:23:44,647 --> 00:23:47,066
He wanted to appear to be very helpful.
431
00:23:47,191 --> 00:23:50,194
He wanted to appear to be the good guy.
432
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:54,240
That his involvement
was minor and out here,
433
00:23:54,407 --> 00:23:56,534
and this other guy was the animal.
434
00:24:01,748 --> 00:24:03,510
At this point, you have to understand
435
00:24:03,624 --> 00:24:06,753
that we have two criminal defendants,
436
00:24:06,878 --> 00:24:09,464
two people who just got out of prison,
437
00:24:09,589 --> 00:24:12,508
pointing the finger at each other.
438
00:24:12,633 --> 00:24:15,845
We got Lance Conway Wood
with blood on his shoe,
439
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:18,890
and the person that
took us to the crime scene,
440
00:24:19,015 --> 00:24:22,060
telling us that
he had nothing to do with it.
441
00:24:22,185 --> 00:24:24,185
And then we have
Michael Anthony Archuleta,
442
00:24:24,270 --> 00:24:27,315
saying, "What does
this have to do with me?
443
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,776
I did nothing,
I'm here with my girlfriend,
444
00:24:29,942 --> 00:24:31,360
trying to sleep."
445
00:24:31,486 --> 00:24:34,030
So we went back to Cedar City,
446
00:24:34,155 --> 00:24:35,573
Thanksgiving night,
447
00:24:35,698 --> 00:24:40,078
interviewed Archuleta till
wee hours in the morning.
448
00:24:44,749 --> 00:24:47,585
I guess, why don't you just start
449
00:24:48,628 --> 00:24:52,632
and just tell us
how did you meet this guy.
450
00:24:52,965 --> 00:24:55,551
On Main Street.
451
00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:01,766
He advised us at that time,
452
00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,415
you know, that they were both...
453
00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:06,312
he and Wood were both
willing participants in this.
454
00:25:06,729 --> 00:25:08,606
Lance walked up to him.
455
00:25:09,816 --> 00:25:12,110
He grabbed his neck
and tried to break it.
456
00:25:12,235 --> 00:25:15,655
He grabbed it from, like this
behind and twisted it.
457
00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:17,156
They all lied.
458
00:25:17,323 --> 00:25:19,325
Wood lied, Archuleta lied,
459
00:25:19,492 --> 00:25:21,786
and, if you saw that scene,
460
00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:24,997
I think anybody that was even
involved in that would lie,
461
00:25:25,164 --> 00:25:28,459
because you do not want to be
associated with what happened.
462
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:32,922
Yet Lance is saying
that you killed the man.
463
00:25:33,756 --> 00:25:36,384
You're saying that Lance killed him.
464
00:25:38,427 --> 00:25:40,847
How are we gonna know
who's telling the truth?
465
00:25:41,848 --> 00:25:44,100
I guess it's my word against his.
466
00:25:44,225 --> 00:25:46,207
Yeah, that's kind of
what it is, right now,
467
00:25:46,227 --> 00:25:47,427
I guess.
468
00:25:47,812 --> 00:25:50,064
The stories just
weren't making any sense.
469
00:25:50,189 --> 00:25:52,441
They weren't from the beginning.
470
00:25:53,025 --> 00:25:56,028
I've heard enough stories
to know when blinds are coming.
471
00:25:56,195 --> 00:25:57,864
And I believed blinds were coming.
472
00:25:58,781 --> 00:26:00,908
Things have a way of working out.
473
00:26:01,033 --> 00:26:03,828
The truth is gonna come out
sooner or later.
474
00:26:04,203 --> 00:26:05,121
Yeah.
475
00:26:05,246 --> 00:26:06,956
And it does.
476
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:09,856
Whether you want to tell
me the truth or not,
477
00:26:09,876 --> 00:26:11,076
but, you know...
478
00:26:11,627 --> 00:26:14,630
I'm gonna find out
what the hell the truth is.
479
00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:19,594
It was a crime that needed to be solved,
480
00:26:19,719 --> 00:26:21,304
and it's too bad,
481
00:26:21,429 --> 00:26:24,348
but in a way we owed that
to Lance Conway Wood.
482
00:26:25,683 --> 00:26:28,352
But we still have him
being involved in the crime
483
00:26:28,477 --> 00:26:30,062
and trying to get himself out
484
00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:33,232
by coming to tell us
the things that he told us.
485
00:26:33,357 --> 00:26:34,557
And saying, look at me,
486
00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:36,485
I'm free and clean, I didn't do this.
487
00:26:36,611 --> 00:26:38,176
I'm just trying to help you guys out,
488
00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:39,396
'cause I'm a good guy.
489
00:26:39,488 --> 00:26:41,282
He's not a good guy.
490
00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:45,536
If what you tried to tell us thus far
491
00:26:45,661 --> 00:26:48,581
were the truth,
then why were you lying to us?
492
00:26:48,998 --> 00:26:50,249
About lots of things.
493
00:26:50,416 --> 00:26:52,335
Not lots of things.
494
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:56,339
There is just
a couple of things left out.
495
00:26:57,757 --> 00:26:59,550
You need to level with us, young man,
496
00:26:59,675 --> 00:27:01,177
if that's what you want to do.
497
00:27:01,302 --> 00:27:03,971
I think that's the right
and the proper thing to do.
498
00:27:04,096 --> 00:27:06,807
And what's gonna
happen to me then, though?
499
00:27:07,808 --> 00:27:10,394
What do you mean,
what's gonna happen to you then?
500
00:27:10,853 --> 00:27:13,648
What's gonna happen to me then, you know?
501
00:27:14,815 --> 00:27:16,292
I don't understand the question
502
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,972
"What's gonna happen
to you then?"
503
00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:19,528
Uh...
504
00:27:22,698 --> 00:27:24,992
The parts I told you what happened
505
00:27:25,117 --> 00:27:27,245
up at the murder scene was true.
506
00:27:28,246 --> 00:27:30,122
Some parts I left out.
507
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:33,167
You weren't sitting
in the car this whole time.
508
00:27:33,292 --> 00:27:35,211
Don't give me that nonsense.
509
00:27:35,336 --> 00:27:37,296
I was sitting in the car.
510
00:27:37,463 --> 00:27:38,339
No, you weren't.
511
00:27:38,464 --> 00:27:39,548
Yes, I was.
512
00:27:39,674 --> 00:27:41,050
I don't believe that.
513
00:27:41,175 --> 00:27:43,427
You know, if you want to jerk us around,
514
00:27:43,552 --> 00:27:45,409
play games, I'm not
gonna do that with you.
515
00:27:45,429 --> 00:27:47,203
Lance, I'm telling you that right now.
516
00:27:47,223 --> 00:27:48,474
You know, you come to us
517
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,060
like you're kind of the victim here,
518
00:27:51,185 --> 00:27:54,313
that Archuleta did the whole darn thing,
519
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,898
and you're scared of him,
520
00:27:56,023 --> 00:27:58,089
and you didn't know what to do,
and all this nonsense.
521
00:27:58,109 --> 00:28:01,654
And yet, you come with
a bunch of half-truths,
522
00:28:01,779 --> 00:28:04,490
you leave out a whole bunch of stuff.
523
00:28:05,283 --> 00:28:08,411
It doesn't cut it, man,
you know, it doesn't wash.
524
00:28:08,536 --> 00:28:10,454
You haven't told us the truth.
525
00:28:10,579 --> 00:28:12,665
And there isn't anybody in the world
526
00:28:12,832 --> 00:28:14,500
who's gonna believe that.
527
00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:17,628
And that doesn't look good
for you, I don't think.
528
00:28:17,753 --> 00:28:19,880
You're sitting there and trying to...
529
00:28:20,673 --> 00:28:22,216
I don't know what the word is,
530
00:28:22,341 --> 00:28:24,051
to manipulate the system.
531
00:28:24,176 --> 00:28:27,513
You wanna get immunity,
and stuff like that.
532
00:28:27,638 --> 00:28:28,931
It's not gonna work.
533
00:28:29,056 --> 00:28:31,726
I can tell you that, right up front.
534
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:38,024
I don't see any remorse in you,
535
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:39,567
right here, right now.
536
00:28:39,692 --> 00:28:41,736
And I don't understand that.
537
00:28:41,861 --> 00:28:43,362
Remorse?
What do you mean?
538
00:28:43,487 --> 00:28:45,156
You know what remorse means?
539
00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:47,567
Yeah, I know remorse,
but what? Remorse for what?
540
00:28:47,992 --> 00:28:49,994
For killing a man's life!
541
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:51,579
And you were
542
00:28:51,704 --> 00:28:54,373
very much involved in that thing.
543
00:28:54,498 --> 00:28:58,002
You didn't do a damn thing
to save him, did you?
544
00:28:58,419 --> 00:28:59,712
You were involved...
545
00:28:59,837 --> 00:29:01,672
I tell you lot of things, and...
546
00:29:03,841 --> 00:29:06,510
I did what I had to do.
547
00:29:07,219 --> 00:29:10,473
You can believe that or not,
but I can prove that.
548
00:29:10,598 --> 00:29:12,288
Why, that's what you're gonna have to do,
549
00:29:12,308 --> 00:29:14,643
- young man.
- I know.
550
00:29:14,769 --> 00:29:16,604
The bottom line is,
551
00:29:16,729 --> 00:29:18,898
both of those guys killed this guy.
552
00:29:19,523 --> 00:29:21,901
And nobody's
more innocent than the other.
553
00:29:22,276 --> 00:29:24,945
Both of them were involved.
Both of them were...
554
00:29:27,406 --> 00:29:28,783
devils.
555
00:29:31,077 --> 00:29:33,913
I think both of them
lied to the bitter end,
556
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,414
and I think if you
557
00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:37,041
interviewed them today,
558
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,043
they'd lie to you today.
559
00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:42,546
Look.
560
00:29:42,671 --> 00:29:44,882
And I don't make any excuses what I did.
561
00:29:45,841 --> 00:29:48,010
But some way, and the point,
562
00:29:48,135 --> 00:29:51,138
is that I know that
I didn't murder Gordon Church.
563
00:30:04,443 --> 00:30:05,736
We were in shock.
564
00:30:05,861 --> 00:30:07,093
Utter, I mean, shock,
couldn't even believe it,
565
00:30:07,113 --> 00:30:08,636
He had just been here at the house,
566
00:30:08,656 --> 00:30:10,221
and I thought, Well, Mike is not capable
567
00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:11,784
of anything that bad.
568
00:30:12,535 --> 00:30:15,413
But then I thought, you know,
something, when he's drugging
569
00:30:15,538 --> 00:30:16,831
and drinking,
570
00:30:16,956 --> 00:30:19,004
I guess he's capable
of just about anything.
571
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,003
So when the police officers came here,
572
00:30:23,129 --> 00:30:25,673
I came over and sat with Mom and Dad,
573
00:30:25,798 --> 00:30:27,675
and they went downstairs into his room
574
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,094
and found some things that
575
00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:31,720
had belonged to Gordon
576
00:30:31,846 --> 00:30:35,057
that Mike had had and left
downstairs in our basement.
577
00:30:35,474 --> 00:30:37,289
And so it just it just went from there,
578
00:30:37,309 --> 00:30:39,603
you know, the nightmare began.
579
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:45,443
Get that camera out of my face.
580
00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:48,968
Did Mike ever admit to you what happened,
581
00:30:48,988 --> 00:30:51,574
- or did he give you the details?
- No.
582
00:30:52,658 --> 00:30:53,858
He's talked to Peggy
583
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:55,516
more than to anybody else, I will say.
584
00:30:55,536 --> 00:30:56,829
He's told me, he says,
585
00:30:56,954 --> 00:30:58,686
I'll take responsibility
for what I did, Mom.
586
00:30:58,706 --> 00:31:00,516
He says, and I know what you've heard.
587
00:31:00,583 --> 00:31:01,856
Here's what I want you to know,
588
00:31:01,876 --> 00:31:02,918
that I didn't do those horrible things,
589
00:31:03,043 --> 00:31:04,295
but I did do some.
590
00:31:04,837 --> 00:31:06,213
It's just shocking.
591
00:31:06,338 --> 00:31:08,174
You just can't even believe that
592
00:31:08,299 --> 00:31:11,135
my little brother, this little
boy that I, you know,
593
00:31:11,594 --> 00:31:12,794
that I watched grow up,
594
00:31:12,887 --> 00:31:14,649
that I knew was a troubled young man,
595
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,058
that he was capable of doing such things.
596
00:31:20,686 --> 00:31:22,480
Archuleta's parents
597
00:31:23,189 --> 00:31:24,482
were good people.
598
00:31:26,358 --> 00:31:27,902
He was in a very
599
00:31:28,027 --> 00:31:31,864
loving family setting
with his adopted parents.
600
00:31:32,031 --> 00:31:33,651
Oh, he was an adorable little boy.
601
00:31:33,741 --> 00:31:36,494
First time I saw him,
he was hell on wheels.
602
00:31:37,745 --> 00:31:39,538
We went to the adoption agency,
603
00:31:39,663 --> 00:31:40,748
and they had him there to meet us.
604
00:31:40,873 --> 00:31:42,521
And there was the cutest little boy
605
00:31:42,541 --> 00:31:43,959
with a head full of curls.
606
00:31:44,084 --> 00:31:45,608
And he was sitting
in the middle of the floor,
607
00:31:45,628 --> 00:31:47,276
and he'd emptied a whole box of crayons,
608
00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:48,903
and he was just throwing them in the air,
609
00:31:48,923 --> 00:31:51,091
just like raining down on him
and laughing.
610
00:31:51,217 --> 00:31:54,929
And we're like, whoa,
but that was Michael.
611
00:31:55,721 --> 00:31:57,244
I mean, he was all over the place.
612
00:31:57,264 --> 00:31:59,163
And I looked at him, and we were
gonna take him forever,
613
00:31:59,183 --> 00:32:01,183
and I knew that little boy's
gonna be mine.
614
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,564
He arrived with a paper bag
615
00:32:05,689 --> 00:32:07,441
With some white t-shirts
616
00:32:07,566 --> 00:32:09,485
and maybe a pair of jeans.
617
00:32:09,610 --> 00:32:11,570
Those were his worldly belongings.
618
00:32:12,071 --> 00:32:14,573
He'd come to the door
and he says, "Hi, I'm Michael."
619
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:18,160
And I says, "And I'm Stella."
620
00:32:18,285 --> 00:32:20,996
"Are you my mom?" I says,
"Yeah, I'll be your mom."
621
00:32:21,705 --> 00:32:23,082
When we met Mike,
622
00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:25,876
he had been in foster care
for a number of years,
623
00:32:26,001 --> 00:32:28,921
and he had been placed
in numerous foster homes.
624
00:32:29,088 --> 00:32:32,174
They told us seven different foster homes
625
00:32:32,299 --> 00:32:34,134
in a four-year period.
626
00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:35,710
From what we gathered,
627
00:32:35,803 --> 00:32:37,368
he'd been born to a teenage mother.
628
00:32:37,388 --> 00:32:38,889
His mother had,
629
00:32:39,014 --> 00:32:41,767
at 16, had actively been engaged
630
00:32:41,934 --> 00:32:44,687
in drugs, alcohol and prostitution.
631
00:32:44,812 --> 00:32:46,772
And he had scars on his bottom,
632
00:32:46,897 --> 00:32:50,859
like he'd sat on
or been sat on a hot grate.
633
00:32:50,985 --> 00:32:53,612
He had little criss-crosses, and he had
634
00:32:53,779 --> 00:32:57,199
cigarette burn marks on his legs.
635
00:32:58,117 --> 00:32:59,765
One time, I had to go to his school,
636
00:32:59,785 --> 00:33:01,267
'cause they called me and told me
637
00:33:01,287 --> 00:33:02,935
Mike has barricaded himself
in the bathroom
638
00:33:02,955 --> 00:33:05,833
with a ball bat,
and he won't let nobody in.
639
00:33:06,458 --> 00:33:07,835
So I went over there,
640
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,962
and I knocked on the door,
641
00:33:10,129 --> 00:33:11,714
I says,
"Mike, are you in there?"
642
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,133
And he says,
"Yes, I'm not coming out."
643
00:33:14,258 --> 00:33:16,115
I says, "Well, let me in."
He says, "Okay."
644
00:33:16,135 --> 00:33:17,707
So I went in, and I talked to him
645
00:33:17,803 --> 00:33:19,972
and I got him out and I took him home.
646
00:33:20,139 --> 00:33:21,390
They says, Well,
647
00:33:21,515 --> 00:33:23,539
we can't have him in class,
he's too disruptive.
648
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,060
He was a troublemaker.
649
00:33:25,185 --> 00:33:27,459
He just seemed to always be in,
you know, in trouble.
650
00:33:27,479 --> 00:33:30,357
Not that he was maliciously
trying to get in trouble,
651
00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:32,901
but he just always found it.
652
00:33:33,402 --> 00:33:34,862
Went out for Halloween,
653
00:33:34,987 --> 00:33:36,468
he says, "Those hippies
in that apartment down there
654
00:33:36,488 --> 00:33:38,616
put razor blades in my apple."
655
00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:41,076
And I says,
656
00:33:41,869 --> 00:33:43,329
"What happened?" I mean,
657
00:33:43,454 --> 00:33:44,788
"Did they check them out?"
658
00:33:44,913 --> 00:33:46,645
they're not supposed to
give out apples, anyway."
659
00:33:46,665 --> 00:33:48,147
"No," he says,
"It had razor blades."
660
00:33:48,167 --> 00:33:49,773
Well, my mother
called me in the other room
661
00:33:49,793 --> 00:33:52,338
and she says, "Well,
Jerry and I watched him,
662
00:33:52,504 --> 00:33:55,174
and he put the razor blades
in that apple himself.
663
00:33:55,341 --> 00:33:57,437
He's trying to get
somebody else in trouble."
664
00:33:57,593 --> 00:34:02,514
He was always getting
expelled or asked to leave,
665
00:34:02,681 --> 00:34:05,309
or he couldn't go back.
666
00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:09,271
And so, he had to go to school somewhere,
667
00:34:09,396 --> 00:34:11,690
and so he started going into facilities
668
00:34:11,857 --> 00:34:14,902
in order to be able to go to school.
669
00:34:15,402 --> 00:34:18,822
It seems like he turned 13
at the state hospital.
670
00:34:22,743 --> 00:34:24,016
And when he came back from there,
671
00:34:24,036 --> 00:34:26,789
he was different, he was more quiet,
672
00:34:26,914 --> 00:34:29,083
more subdued, more...
673
00:34:29,208 --> 00:34:32,252
He wasn't so out in the open
with everything he did.
674
00:34:32,378 --> 00:34:34,046
He was kind of like more secretive.
675
00:34:34,213 --> 00:34:37,007
We didn't learn it at the time,
we found out since.
676
00:34:37,132 --> 00:34:39,635
There was, a psych tech, they call him,
677
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,960
that had befriended him,
678
00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:42,846
and used to take him home on weekends
679
00:34:42,971 --> 00:34:44,431
to help him do yard work.
680
00:34:44,556 --> 00:34:46,308
And we found out then that
681
00:34:46,433 --> 00:34:48,560
that he had been
sexually abusing Michael.
682
00:34:48,727 --> 00:34:52,231
And when he came out,
he was acting up more than ever.
683
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,357
He was sneaking cigarettes and beer
684
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,486
and sneaking out the window
and little things like that.
685
00:34:57,611 --> 00:35:00,572
He even went looking
for the person years later,
686
00:35:00,739 --> 00:35:02,054
you know, going to the house
687
00:35:02,074 --> 00:35:03,347
where he remembered going to help
688
00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:05,953
work in the yard, looking for him to...
689
00:35:06,912 --> 00:35:08,914
get even, retaliate, I don't know.
690
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,239
But he had a lot of anger
691
00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:12,209
and a lot of bitterness about that.
692
00:35:23,429 --> 00:35:25,931
Lance Wood grew up in Bountiful, Utah,
693
00:35:26,098 --> 00:35:27,766
in a very loving LDS family.
694
00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:29,768
He was the youngest of four kids,
695
00:35:29,935 --> 00:35:31,507
and had a pretty happy childhood.
696
00:35:31,603 --> 00:35:33,897
I found out that I was adopted,
697
00:35:34,022 --> 00:35:37,067
I believe, when I was 12 years old.
698
00:35:38,277 --> 00:35:42,406
I can't say that was
the beginning of my problems,
699
00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:44,700
but it did escalate from there,
700
00:35:44,825 --> 00:35:46,577
in all sense of the word.
701
00:35:46,702 --> 00:35:48,475
I should have went to college,
I should have, you know...
702
00:35:48,495 --> 00:35:50,018
Given all the things that I went through,
703
00:35:50,038 --> 00:35:51,749
and yet I chose a criminal life,
704
00:35:51,874 --> 00:35:53,167
and just not the murder,
705
00:35:53,292 --> 00:35:55,294
but my extensive criminal activity
706
00:35:55,419 --> 00:35:56,462
prior to that.
707
00:35:56,628 --> 00:35:58,422
And there was really no sense of it.
708
00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:01,133
I mean, I was stealing things that
709
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,302
I didn't want or need,
710
00:36:03,427 --> 00:36:05,554
you know, so maybe it was oppression.
711
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:06,965
When I was being oppressive
712
00:36:12,811 --> 00:36:16,106
Tell me when you first met Archuleta.
713
00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:18,358
In, I think...
714
00:36:18,484 --> 00:36:20,819
Cedar City Correctional Facility.
715
00:36:21,612 --> 00:36:24,156
Now, you've now been paroled.
716
00:36:24,323 --> 00:36:27,493
And how is it you both ended up
back down here in Cedar City?
717
00:36:28,118 --> 00:36:30,788
Because of Paula.
Paula Jones.
718
00:36:30,913 --> 00:36:32,498
Okay.
It's a girlfriend.
719
00:36:32,664 --> 00:36:34,500
And you ended up here because of...
720
00:36:34,625 --> 00:36:35,825
Brenda.
721
00:36:35,918 --> 00:36:36,835
Brenda.
722
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,253
And Paula, yeah.
723
00:36:38,378 --> 00:36:39,902
Paula and Brenda are living together.
724
00:36:39,922 --> 00:36:40,964
Okay, so prison inmates
725
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:42,424
meet local girls,
726
00:36:42,549 --> 00:36:44,468
and come back
to live there. Okay.
727
00:36:50,682 --> 00:36:52,434
And he was a nice-looking guy.
728
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,147
Not something that you would
expect to see behind bars.
729
00:36:58,857 --> 00:37:01,902
Well, she worked as a DJ
at the radio station.
730
00:37:02,778 --> 00:37:05,322
I called them up and donated some tapes
731
00:37:06,865 --> 00:37:09,743
and we kind of got hooked up from there.
732
00:37:09,868 --> 00:37:12,287
Well, of course it was behind glass,
733
00:37:12,412 --> 00:37:14,706
but he would call,
734
00:37:15,123 --> 00:37:17,459
and so we would talk for hours.
735
00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:19,461
A lot of it was, you know,
736
00:37:19,586 --> 00:37:22,631
about how he could change his life
737
00:37:22,756 --> 00:37:24,925
once he got paroled out.
738
00:37:26,301 --> 00:37:28,637
We were supposed to get married.
739
00:37:29,429 --> 00:37:33,851
Things worked a little different
once he got out.
740
00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:38,188
It's fortunate, probably,
that we didn't get married,
741
00:37:38,313 --> 00:37:42,150
and, you know, and all this, but...
742
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:47,531
It was difficult for her.
743
00:37:49,324 --> 00:37:52,202
Lance was lazy, you know?
744
00:37:52,327 --> 00:37:54,538
The things that we had talked about...
745
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,002
It wasn't the same, and there was just
746
00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:02,546
a very strange feeling.
747
00:38:05,048 --> 00:38:06,425
Relationships that I had,
748
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:08,886
had not been meaningful relationships,
749
00:38:10,137 --> 00:38:11,618
and the feeling of love is there,
750
00:38:11,638 --> 00:38:13,932
but it's always the next one, you know.
751
00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:15,998
After that one, I wanted to move on
752
00:38:16,018 --> 00:38:17,416
to the next one and the next one.
753
00:38:17,436 --> 00:38:19,479
It was no difference with Brenda.
754
00:38:21,857 --> 00:38:24,276
And so I had an apartment set up for him,
755
00:38:24,401 --> 00:38:26,987
and the original plan was just,
756
00:38:27,112 --> 00:38:29,489
you know, Paula and me and...
757
00:38:31,992 --> 00:38:33,577
Lance, to live there.
758
00:38:34,745 --> 00:38:37,289
And so Mike and Paula
started a relationship.
759
00:38:37,456 --> 00:38:39,146
I think he thought he was
gonna go down there
760
00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:41,793
and be with her and they were
gonna get married
761
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,462
and live happily ever after.
762
00:38:43,587 --> 00:38:46,173
And then we found out
that Mike was on his way
763
00:38:46,298 --> 00:38:48,592
up to Cedar City.
764
00:38:49,301 --> 00:38:51,219
Me and Brenda, you know, we're scared.
765
00:38:51,345 --> 00:38:54,181
We informed my parole officer beforehand,
766
00:38:54,306 --> 00:38:58,560
and they said they knew
that something was gonna happen.
767
00:38:58,685 --> 00:39:00,228
And I warned them,
768
00:39:01,146 --> 00:39:03,065
and they didn't take precautions.
769
00:39:03,523 --> 00:39:04,775
Did he ever threaten you
770
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:06,443
during any of these contacts?
771
00:39:06,818 --> 00:39:08,070
Not really,
772
00:39:08,195 --> 00:39:10,197
but you could tell that he
773
00:39:10,322 --> 00:39:12,783
had some kind of problem with me.
774
00:39:13,492 --> 00:39:15,160
How could you tell?
775
00:39:15,285 --> 00:39:17,047
He just had this attitude towards me.
776
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:19,873
When, or did you
and him ever leave alone?
777
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:22,112
Did you and him ever leave alone?
778
00:39:22,167 --> 00:39:23,877
7-Eleven, sometimes.
779
00:39:25,587 --> 00:39:27,381
Can you tell the court and the jury
780
00:39:27,506 --> 00:39:29,983
when the last time was
that you recall seeing Gordon?
781
00:39:30,425 --> 00:39:33,303
November the 19th, 1988.
782
00:39:34,262 --> 00:39:36,556
We had gone down to Cedar City,
783
00:39:36,974 --> 00:39:38,392
to see our boys.
784
00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:42,187
Gordon didn't make
too much money at K-Mart,
785
00:39:42,354 --> 00:39:43,772
and I was always concerned
786
00:39:43,897 --> 00:39:45,732
whether he had enough money or not.
787
00:39:46,692 --> 00:39:47,892
I asked him to...
788
00:39:48,026 --> 00:39:50,529
you know, how things
were going financially.
789
00:39:50,696 --> 00:39:52,803
I tried to do that in private
and those kind of things,
790
00:39:52,823 --> 00:39:55,450
because he hated to take money from me.
791
00:39:55,575 --> 00:39:57,077
I asked him how he was doing,
792
00:39:57,202 --> 00:39:59,162
and he said,
"Fine, pretty good."
793
00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:02,140
And that's what he always
used to say, "pretty good."
794
00:40:02,499 --> 00:40:03,917
And I always knew that meant,
795
00:40:04,042 --> 00:40:05,293
"not really well."
796
00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:08,463
So I just gave him a 20 dollar bill.
797
00:40:10,382 --> 00:40:13,135
The last time I spoke to Gordon
798
00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,178
I was sitting in my car.
799
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:16,930
And I looked up,
800
00:40:17,055 --> 00:40:19,099
and I saw Gordon with his backpack on,
801
00:40:19,224 --> 00:40:20,517
and I had a feeling
802
00:40:20,642 --> 00:40:22,595
it was the last time I was gonna see him.
803
00:40:23,979 --> 00:40:26,857
Gordon and I
were supposed to get together
804
00:40:27,607 --> 00:40:30,902
to go to dinner, it was
the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
805
00:40:31,403 --> 00:40:33,552
He had called and said
that he was going to run
806
00:40:33,572 --> 00:40:35,365
to the 7-Eleven to grab cigarettes
807
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:37,492
and then he was going to be over and
808
00:40:37,617 --> 00:40:39,953
we waited, I think, about two hours.
809
00:40:46,877 --> 00:40:49,921
According to Lance,
this is where they met Gordon.
810
00:40:50,589 --> 00:40:53,175
And Gordon agreed
to give them a ride around.
811
00:40:54,217 --> 00:40:55,552
You'd never met this...
812
00:40:55,677 --> 00:40:57,596
I never met this guy before.
813
00:40:57,721 --> 00:40:59,453
What did he tell you,
did he live there in Cedar?
814
00:40:59,473 --> 00:41:00,912
Yeah, he told me he lived there in Cedar.
815
00:41:00,932 --> 00:41:02,309
Lived with his grandma,
816
00:41:02,434 --> 00:41:04,387
explained about his family on the way up.
817
00:41:05,812 --> 00:41:07,981
Him and Mike communicated the most
818
00:41:08,106 --> 00:41:09,024
during that period of time.
819
00:41:09,149 --> 00:41:11,193
My concentration was the women,
820
00:41:11,318 --> 00:41:13,258
you know, driving
up and down in the cars.
821
00:41:13,278 --> 00:41:15,155
You're trying to get them pulled over.
822
00:41:16,615 --> 00:41:18,241
And that's what I believe
823
00:41:18,366 --> 00:41:20,098
all of us were
trying to do at that moment.
824
00:41:20,118 --> 00:41:21,318
Uh...
825
00:41:23,288 --> 00:41:24,623
I'm not sure when
826
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:28,418
we found out
that Gordon was a homosexual,
827
00:41:28,543 --> 00:41:30,545
or that...
828
00:41:31,296 --> 00:41:33,340
these guys may have been homosexual,
829
00:41:33,465 --> 00:41:35,717
these guys being Archuleta and Wood.
830
00:41:36,927 --> 00:41:38,303
My biggest thing is,
831
00:41:38,428 --> 00:41:41,014
is reflecting back now,
was that he knew Gordon.
832
00:41:41,139 --> 00:41:43,225
You know, he knew whether...
833
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:45,185
He just didn't meet him that night.
834
00:41:46,144 --> 00:41:47,395
I mean, it wasn't like,
835
00:41:47,521 --> 00:41:48,522
"Hey, can we go cruising
with you?"
836
00:41:48,647 --> 00:41:50,148
or, "Hey, take us cruising."
837
00:41:50,273 --> 00:41:51,630
It was like,
"Hey, get in the car."
838
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:53,360
Like he already had talked to him.
839
00:41:53,485 --> 00:41:56,363
He'd developed some kind of
rapport with Gordon.
840
00:41:59,658 --> 00:42:01,993
They went up to
Canyon Cedar City for what?
841
00:42:02,702 --> 00:42:04,579
They went up there for one reason.
842
00:42:06,206 --> 00:42:08,208
They were gonna have sex with Gordon.
843
00:42:11,711 --> 00:42:14,589
And they ended up going to
a place they call Pussy Hollow.
844
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:17,759
Did the subject of sex come up?
845
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:21,263
Yeah, that's when
he told us he was a homosexual.
846
00:42:21,388 --> 00:42:22,722
Out there by the river?
847
00:42:22,848 --> 00:42:25,142
- Yeah.
- Up there.
848
00:42:27,602 --> 00:42:30,188
And I think it just took off from there,
849
00:42:30,355 --> 00:42:31,606
that, you know,
850
00:42:31,731 --> 00:42:35,485
we're gonna go work this gay guy over.
851
00:42:37,279 --> 00:42:38,947
My first thought was,
852
00:42:39,698 --> 00:42:42,993
there was a time we used
to go to Salt Lake and...
853
00:42:43,577 --> 00:42:45,996
go to the graveyard and roam.
854
00:42:46,705 --> 00:42:48,623
Steal their jackets, you know,
855
00:42:48,748 --> 00:42:50,375
and, you know,
856
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,878
gay individuals who were
out there we would roam,
857
00:42:53,003 --> 00:42:54,203
we would chase them.
858
00:42:56,506 --> 00:42:58,466
That was my thought we were gonna do.
859
00:42:59,843 --> 00:43:01,761
Was there any argument or anything?
860
00:43:01,887 --> 00:43:04,681
Was there anybody mad at anybody?
861
00:43:05,098 --> 00:43:06,308
Not at that point.
862
00:43:06,433 --> 00:43:08,310
You know, everything was okay.
863
00:43:10,437 --> 00:43:11,897
I believe, after a while,
864
00:43:12,022 --> 00:43:14,022
nothing happened,
so I told them, let's go.
865
00:43:14,065 --> 00:43:15,839
And that's when Mike pulled out a knife
866
00:43:15,859 --> 00:43:17,527
and put it to Gordon's throat.
867
00:43:17,652 --> 00:43:19,487
I reached out and grabbed his elbow.
868
00:43:20,697 --> 00:43:22,199
That's when he kind of shot me
869
00:43:22,324 --> 00:43:23,700
a look, a cold look.
870
00:43:24,117 --> 00:43:25,827
And Gordon took off at that time.
871
00:43:26,995 --> 00:43:28,288
He'd broke and run
872
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:30,061
and they tackled him
and he broke his arm.
873
00:43:30,081 --> 00:43:32,042
What did you do while he took off running
874
00:43:32,167 --> 00:43:33,793
after this stuff?
875
00:43:33,919 --> 00:43:35,358
I was just sitting there, standing there.
876
00:43:35,378 --> 00:43:37,172
Freaking out,
877
00:43:37,547 --> 00:43:38,840
And when they came back,
878
00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:40,926
that's when Lance cut his throat,
879
00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:43,345
he cut him,
and I said, "Oh my God."
880
00:43:44,179 --> 00:43:46,181
I didn't think he'd do it, you know.
881
00:43:46,723 --> 00:43:48,683
It wasn't until after he caught him
882
00:43:48,808 --> 00:43:51,061
and brought him back up to the car,
883
00:43:51,186 --> 00:43:52,386
that he cut him again.
884
00:43:53,104 --> 00:43:55,065
And so that's where you get the X mark.
885
00:43:56,191 --> 00:43:59,819
He was calling out that
he has pain in his shoulders.
886
00:44:00,612 --> 00:44:02,280
His leg hurt.
887
00:44:03,073 --> 00:44:04,491
Lance kept telling him,
888
00:44:04,616 --> 00:44:05,825
"You say anything,
889
00:44:07,702 --> 00:44:09,663
we know you got family,"
890
00:44:11,456 --> 00:44:13,708
that he would kill his family, too.
891
00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:16,034
He, uh...
892
00:44:16,711 --> 00:44:18,421
bent Gordon over the...
893
00:44:19,464 --> 00:44:20,664
the...
894
00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:22,249
the hood of the car.
895
00:44:24,886 --> 00:44:27,125
And the dude said,
"I want you to use a condom."
896
00:44:27,681 --> 00:44:29,307
Who's the dude?
The victim?
897
00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:31,935
Yeah, and he gave Archuleta a condom.
898
00:44:33,561 --> 00:44:34,980
He pulled out the rubber.
899
00:44:35,522 --> 00:44:36,722
Handed it to me. He said,
900
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:40,277
Gordon said, "Yeah, it's your game.
901
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,321
Do it to me."
902
00:44:43,697 --> 00:44:45,595
He was asking for it,
I couldn't believe it.
903
00:44:45,615 --> 00:44:46,908
Did he?
904
00:44:47,033 --> 00:44:48,265
'Cause the guy had his throat cut,
905
00:44:48,285 --> 00:44:49,744
his arm may be broke,
906
00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:51,653
and banged up
907
00:44:51,705 --> 00:44:53,248
and he's undoubtedly worried,
908
00:44:53,373 --> 00:44:55,750
scared to death that
you're gonna kill him, right?
909
00:44:56,751 --> 00:44:59,129
That don't make sense,
that he's asking you to
910
00:44:59,838 --> 00:45:02,132
have sex with him at that point, does it?
911
00:45:02,674 --> 00:45:04,050
No, it don't.
912
00:45:04,926 --> 00:45:06,553
Did you have sex with this guy?
913
00:45:06,678 --> 00:45:07,971
No, I didn't.
914
00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:09,556
Did Lance?
915
00:45:09,681 --> 00:45:11,266
I didn't see him, or anything.
916
00:45:11,391 --> 00:45:14,477
Mike then turned to me
and asked me if I wanted any.
917
00:45:15,687 --> 00:45:17,105
I shook my head, negative.
918
00:45:18,398 --> 00:45:21,318
There's only
one part that I'm lying about.
919
00:45:22,444 --> 00:45:23,695
And what is it?
920
00:45:24,654 --> 00:45:27,365
It wasn't forcible or anything.
921
00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:28,783
He wanted it.
922
00:45:28,908 --> 00:45:31,077
This is straight up, okay?
923
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:33,538
I did enter him,
924
00:45:33,705 --> 00:45:34,998
and I backed right out.
925
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,323
I could...
926
00:45:36,916 --> 00:45:38,752
I don't even know why I did that.
927
00:45:39,169 --> 00:45:41,171
I'd never done it
with anybody else before,
928
00:45:41,296 --> 00:45:42,589
not even a woman.
929
00:45:44,758 --> 00:45:47,469
I don't get off on getting down on guys.
930
00:45:54,642 --> 00:45:56,499
When Gordon got put
in the trunk of that car,
931
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,022
what did he think
was gonna happen to him next?
932
00:46:01,566 --> 00:46:04,486
Exactly what I think we all
knew was gonna happen next.
933
00:46:06,112 --> 00:46:08,031
He knew he was... gonna die.
934
00:46:13,536 --> 00:46:16,039
They drove from Cedar Canyon
935
00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:17,582
to mile marker 138,
936
00:46:17,749 --> 00:46:19,876
so that's got to be 70, 80 miles,
937
00:46:20,001 --> 00:46:23,129
It's got to be over an hour
in the trunk of a car.
938
00:46:24,422 --> 00:46:26,966
That hour or so,
939
00:46:27,092 --> 00:46:28,385
as they drove north,
940
00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:29,783
is the hardest part of the story for me.
941
00:46:29,803 --> 00:46:31,888
Knowing that he was in that trunk,
942
00:46:32,013 --> 00:46:34,682
having been raped, with broken bones,
943
00:46:34,808 --> 00:46:37,477
bleeding and gagged and in chains.
944
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,023
Was he praying, was he weeping,
945
00:46:42,148 --> 00:46:44,526
was he calling out for his mother?
946
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:47,946
Well, he didn't like elevators.
947
00:46:48,113 --> 00:46:51,241
He would use the stairs
before he would use an elevator.
948
00:46:51,658 --> 00:46:53,159
He didn't like to be
949
00:46:53,576 --> 00:46:55,745
closed in a room without a window in it.
950
00:46:56,413 --> 00:46:59,290
He didn't like to have
anything held over his head.
951
00:46:59,416 --> 00:47:03,670
Just, he didn't like to be where
he felt he couldn't get out.
952
00:47:04,587 --> 00:47:06,297
Were you talking to him at all?
953
00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:07,966
Yes.
954
00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:10,593
Yelled back there,
and asked him if he was okay.
955
00:47:11,428 --> 00:47:12,804
Said, "Yeah, I'm alright."
956
00:47:13,221 --> 00:47:15,412
All I know is Archuleta
was yelling back there,
957
00:47:15,432 --> 00:47:16,433
"Don't break the lights,
958
00:47:16,558 --> 00:47:18,309
don't mess with the lights."
959
00:47:18,476 --> 00:47:19,769
Stuff like that.
960
00:47:19,894 --> 00:47:21,609
Church was just saying,
"Okay, okay."
961
00:47:21,688 --> 00:47:22,897
And how Lance told it,
962
00:47:23,022 --> 00:47:24,462
saying we're gonna go up to Bountiful,
963
00:47:24,482 --> 00:47:25,733
where he is from.
964
00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:27,902
They were gonna drive Gordon's car off
965
00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:30,646
this cliff.
966
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:33,450
Lance kept saying, "Well,
967
00:47:34,325 --> 00:47:36,202
if we just leave him in the trunk
968
00:47:36,327 --> 00:47:37,412
someone can pick him up,"
969
00:47:37,537 --> 00:47:39,622
so we went to Dead Man's Point
970
00:47:40,373 --> 00:47:42,125
to let the car go off the edge.
971
00:47:42,709 --> 00:47:44,878
They'll never find it there.
972
00:47:46,045 --> 00:47:47,505
What'd you say to that?
973
00:47:47,672 --> 00:47:49,215
Said,
"You're crazy, man."
974
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,260
We're both in a lot of trouble
right now as it is.
975
00:47:52,385 --> 00:47:53,845
I told him, just...
976
00:47:54,512 --> 00:47:58,141
"Leave the car, let the dude go,
and let's get out of here."
977
00:47:58,850 --> 00:48:00,810
Lance kept saying, "He's gonna rat on us,
978
00:48:00,935 --> 00:48:02,479
he's gonna rat on us."
979
00:48:05,273 --> 00:48:07,192
He said they got driving along,
980
00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:09,194
he says they got up north,
981
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,488
to the Dog Valley off-ramp.
982
00:48:12,697 --> 00:48:14,699
Archuleta pulled off right here.
983
00:48:14,866 --> 00:48:16,784
Did he say anything at this point?
984
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:17,702
He just pulled off?
985
00:48:17,827 --> 00:48:19,027
Yeah.
986
00:48:19,704 --> 00:48:21,227
They went underneath the freeway
987
00:48:21,247 --> 00:48:23,875
and went to the west,
and north a little ways,
988
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,002
and stopped in the middle of the roadway.
989
00:48:31,216 --> 00:48:33,051
You know, Gordon just terrified,
990
00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:35,345
scared to death,
he'd already been through
991
00:48:36,054 --> 00:48:38,681
a beating or two, and a rape.
992
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:40,340
And...
993
00:48:40,725 --> 00:48:42,624
all in all, they were gonna kill him here
994
00:48:42,644 --> 00:48:44,229
or whatever, and...
995
00:48:44,395 --> 00:48:47,273
they were trying to assure him
everything was gonna be okay.
996
00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:49,923
I think, one of the first things,
997
00:48:49,943 --> 00:48:51,758
when they got him
out of the trunk of the car,
998
00:48:51,778 --> 00:48:54,322
was an attempt by Archuleta
999
00:48:54,739 --> 00:48:56,115
to break his neck.
1000
00:48:57,825 --> 00:48:59,619
I heard the guy fall.
1001
00:49:01,496 --> 00:49:02,973
And Archuleta's talking to him,
1002
00:49:04,582 --> 00:49:07,001
I guess he was crying,
saying, "Please," you know.
1003
00:49:07,126 --> 00:49:09,921
He said that they took battery cable
1004
00:49:10,046 --> 00:49:12,799
and they tried to jump-start him.
1005
00:49:14,259 --> 00:49:15,718
A couple of real geniuses,
1006
00:49:15,843 --> 00:49:17,242
I don't know what they're thinking about.
1007
00:49:17,262 --> 00:49:19,472
They're gonna
electrocute him or whatever.
1008
00:49:20,181 --> 00:49:22,100
Tell me how he hooked him up.
1009
00:49:22,892 --> 00:49:25,019
Clipped them on
and said, "Go for it."
1010
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:29,357
I don't know whether they were
feeding off of one another, like
1011
00:49:29,816 --> 00:49:31,234
"Look what I've done."
1012
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,195
"I'm gonna do something worse.
1013
00:49:34,696 --> 00:49:36,114
Something more horrific."
1014
00:49:36,281 --> 00:49:37,740
What he did,
1015
00:49:37,865 --> 00:49:39,325
it didn't work, I guess,
1016
00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:40,807
because he reached in the trunk
1017
00:49:40,827 --> 00:49:42,453
and grabbed the tire iron
1018
00:49:42,787 --> 00:49:44,205
out of the trunk
1019
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:46,104
and started beating the guy on the head,
1020
00:49:46,124 --> 00:49:47,438
I don't know how many times.
1021
00:49:47,458 --> 00:49:49,752
Then, I guess that didn't work,
1022
00:49:50,295 --> 00:49:52,630
'cause he reached in
and grabbed the jack,
1023
00:49:52,755 --> 00:49:55,091
what you jack up the car with
1024
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:56,801
and brought that out.
1025
00:49:56,968 --> 00:50:00,597
He's bringing it to full swing on that,
1026
00:50:00,972 --> 00:50:03,474
Just like you would
swing an axe or something.
1027
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,393
It was just...
1028
00:50:05,768 --> 00:50:07,145
a lot of blood.
1029
00:50:07,729 --> 00:50:09,647
Really a lot of blood on there.
1030
00:50:17,196 --> 00:50:19,032
You didn't beat Gordon?
1031
00:50:19,782 --> 00:50:20,742
I didn't beat Gordon.
1032
00:50:20,867 --> 00:50:22,067
Did you punch him?
1033
00:50:22,952 --> 00:50:24,857
- I didn't punch him.
- Did you kick him?
1034
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:26,873
I didn't kick him.
1035
00:50:26,998 --> 00:50:28,646
And you're saying
that you stayed in the car
1036
00:50:28,666 --> 00:50:30,752
while Mike beat Gordon to death?
1037
00:50:32,211 --> 00:50:33,411
Yeah.
1038
00:50:34,756 --> 00:50:36,446
I didn't even hear when
he got him out of the trunk
1039
00:50:36,466 --> 00:50:38,551
I just heard a crack, and I looked up.
1040
00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:41,763
Wham, hit him in
the back of the head with a
1041
00:50:43,598 --> 00:50:45,516
He looked at me all wild
1042
00:50:45,642 --> 00:50:47,060
and took a swing at me.
1043
00:50:48,102 --> 00:50:50,146
And I got out of the car
1044
00:50:50,563 --> 00:50:52,899
and I think what he'd done
is he took the...
1045
00:50:53,524 --> 00:50:56,069
tire iron and shoved it
up the guy's anal.
1046
00:50:59,197 --> 00:51:00,031
It was so brutal.
1047
00:51:00,156 --> 00:51:02,408
It was so ugly, it was so mean,
1048
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:03,576
and I think, what...
1049
00:51:03,701 --> 00:51:06,204
What causes somebody to do that?
1050
00:51:07,872 --> 00:51:10,583
But they dragged him
off in this direction here.
1051
00:51:11,042 --> 00:51:13,086
And we found him up here under
1052
00:51:13,711 --> 00:51:14,911
a tree.
1053
00:51:18,174 --> 00:51:19,217
Probably...
1054
00:51:19,384 --> 00:51:21,032
could have been any one of these trees,
1055
00:51:21,052 --> 00:51:23,763
but he was kinda tucked up under
1056
00:51:23,888 --> 00:51:26,849
the boughs of one of these cedar trees
1057
00:51:27,642 --> 00:51:29,227
and somewhat concealed.
1058
00:51:29,727 --> 00:51:32,855
You know, and if, in reality, if...
1059
00:51:33,481 --> 00:51:36,943
Wood hadn't buckled his knees and got
1060
00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:39,028
trying to cover his ass,
1061
00:51:39,445 --> 00:51:40,655
it's hard to say
1062
00:51:41,072 --> 00:51:42,740
how long it would have been before
1063
00:51:42,907 --> 00:51:45,201
Gordon's body
would have been discovered here.
1064
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,501
Mike and Lance drove Gordon's car
1065
00:51:53,626 --> 00:51:54,919
to Salt Lake City.
1066
00:51:55,044 --> 00:51:56,504
Millard County deputies
1067
00:51:56,629 --> 00:51:58,319
searched the hillside to find more clues,
1068
00:51:58,339 --> 00:52:00,049
but two key pieces of evidence
1069
00:52:00,174 --> 00:52:03,428
were found 175 miles north
in Salt Lake county.
1070
00:52:03,594 --> 00:52:05,972
And then Mike left this...
1071
00:52:06,514 --> 00:52:08,182
his murder victim's car
1072
00:52:08,307 --> 00:52:11,227
in the lot at his brother's
apartment complex.
1073
00:52:11,352 --> 00:52:13,062
Earlier today, officers picked up
1074
00:52:13,187 --> 00:52:14,939
a pair of blood-covered men's Levi's
1075
00:52:15,106 --> 00:52:16,941
on I15 at 45th South,
1076
00:52:17,108 --> 00:52:20,862
and impounded this 1978
Ford T-Bird in West Valley City.
1077
00:52:20,987 --> 00:52:22,572
Investigators found blood smeared
1078
00:52:22,697 --> 00:52:25,283
in the back seat and trunk of the car.
1079
00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:26,650
So Mike and Lance went on
1080
00:52:26,701 --> 00:52:28,286
a weird series of misadventures
1081
00:52:28,411 --> 00:52:31,289
as they kind of hitch-hiked
their way back to Cedar City.
1082
00:52:31,914 --> 00:52:33,666
Mike and Lance ended up in Salem,
1083
00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:36,085
at Mike's home,
1084
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:39,005
and his father Amos made them eggs.
1085
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:40,903
Mike went down
into his childhood bedroom,
1086
00:52:40,923 --> 00:52:43,551
which is where he left Gordon's watch.
1087
00:52:43,676 --> 00:52:45,303
So again, he left Gordon's car
1088
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,118
at his brother's apartment complex,
1089
00:52:47,138 --> 00:52:49,223
he left Gordon's watch
in his parents' home,
1090
00:52:49,348 --> 00:52:51,289
for the police to go
gather this evidence later,
1091
00:52:51,309 --> 00:52:53,519
and they sat with his father
and ate eggs.
1092
00:52:55,313 --> 00:52:57,398
When they got back to the apartment,
1093
00:52:57,982 --> 00:53:01,360
Mike had sex with his girlfriend
and fell asleep.
1094
00:53:01,486 --> 00:53:03,821
Lance went and talked to his friend Tony,
1095
00:53:04,155 --> 00:53:06,657
and came up with
the plan to turn himself in,
1096
00:53:07,074 --> 00:53:09,285
so he went down to the same 7-Eleven
1097
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:11,537
where he had picked up Gordon initially,
1098
00:53:11,913 --> 00:53:13,498
and called his parole officer,
1099
00:53:13,623 --> 00:53:15,917
John Grath, and said,
"I just witnessed a murder,
1100
00:53:16,042 --> 00:53:17,242
please come pick me up."
1101
00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:20,671
Before John arrived,
Lance threw away Gordon's wallet
1102
00:53:20,838 --> 00:53:23,800
out of his own pocket,
right there at the gas station.
1103
00:53:26,219 --> 00:53:28,971
But I believe that
it was a hate crime, simply,
1104
00:53:30,014 --> 00:53:32,183
because of the way he was treated,
1105
00:53:32,308 --> 00:53:33,851
the raping,
1106
00:53:34,018 --> 00:53:37,021
the breaking of arms and the jaws and the
1107
00:53:37,188 --> 00:53:38,898
wrapping him in chains...
1108
00:53:40,024 --> 00:53:41,224
I'm...
1109
00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:46,345
I think it started out as a hate crime.
1110
00:53:46,405 --> 00:53:48,262
I wouldn't know if the murder
would be a hate crime,
1111
00:53:48,282 --> 00:53:50,139
but I believe that
it started out to be hate,
1112
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,911
'cause of who he was.
1113
00:53:53,454 --> 00:53:56,707
Wood and Archuleta targeted Gordon,
1114
00:53:56,874 --> 00:53:59,126
merely for the fact that he was gay,
1115
00:53:59,252 --> 00:54:02,171
and they were they were out
to teach the...
1116
00:54:03,798 --> 00:54:05,049
"the faggot" a lesson,
1117
00:54:05,216 --> 00:54:07,169
and that's not a word that I use lightly.
1118
00:54:07,218 --> 00:54:10,471
You know, I always believed
that Archuleta had
1119
00:54:10,596 --> 00:54:12,598
homosexual tendencies,
1120
00:54:12,723 --> 00:54:14,642
and rage about that.
1121
00:54:14,767 --> 00:54:18,145
He chose the manner of death,
I think, to send a message.
1122
00:54:18,563 --> 00:54:20,648
Oh, well, my brother Michael does not
1123
00:54:20,773 --> 00:54:22,692
consider the crime a hate crime.
1124
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:25,987
He considers it more of a crime of
1125
00:54:26,112 --> 00:54:27,905
excessive drug and alcohol,
1126
00:54:28,072 --> 00:54:31,117
and a whole lifetime
of making bad choices.
1127
00:54:31,951 --> 00:54:33,266
But he just really felt like
1128
00:54:33,286 --> 00:54:35,144
it was a night that got out of control.
1129
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,373
It just got away from him.
1130
00:54:43,588 --> 00:54:44,788
As part of my research
1131
00:54:44,922 --> 00:54:46,237
into the Gordon Church case,
1132
00:54:46,257 --> 00:54:47,905
I put in a request with the police,
1133
00:54:47,925 --> 00:54:49,427
and was given permission to
1134
00:54:49,552 --> 00:54:51,409
look at some of their gathered evidence,
1135
00:54:51,429 --> 00:54:53,306
including those crime scene photos.
1136
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,143
Turning the pages in that photo book,
1137
00:54:57,268 --> 00:54:59,395
they start off relatively...
1138
00:55:01,063 --> 00:55:02,263
tame.
1139
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:06,861
They're showing the perimeter
of the crime scene.
1140
00:55:07,236 --> 00:55:11,073
There's dirt and sticks
and mud and snow and frost.
1141
00:55:11,616 --> 00:55:13,492
But then you start seeing the blood,
1142
00:55:13,618 --> 00:55:16,245
you start seeing the pieces of bone.
1143
00:55:25,463 --> 00:55:27,256
Look at
the blood. God.
1144
00:55:29,383 --> 00:55:31,010
There's the tire iron.
1145
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:40,369
When you see the pictures of the body,
1146
00:55:41,103 --> 00:55:42,939
I would not recommend that to anybody.
1147
00:55:43,064 --> 00:55:45,107
Those images will be in my brain forever.
1148
00:55:45,816 --> 00:55:47,610
It's heart-breaking.
1149
00:55:58,162 --> 00:56:00,039
There's something that just...
1150
00:56:01,832 --> 00:56:03,501
It's one thing to read the story,
1151
00:56:03,668 --> 00:56:04,961
but to see it,
1152
00:56:05,962 --> 00:56:07,713
to see it, hurts.
1153
00:56:12,259 --> 00:56:13,970
Mike had a violent
1154
00:56:17,014 --> 00:56:18,474
way of dealing with things.
1155
00:56:19,433 --> 00:56:21,686
Maybe dealing with his own demons.
1156
00:56:22,103 --> 00:56:25,022
If it's true that he knew Gordon
1157
00:56:25,189 --> 00:56:26,440
prior to that,
1158
00:56:27,692 --> 00:56:28,892
I believe now
1159
00:56:28,943 --> 00:56:30,319
it's Mike's doing.
1160
00:56:31,821 --> 00:56:33,990
He's gonna have to answer that question
1161
00:56:34,115 --> 00:56:35,574
as to why Gordon died.
1162
00:56:37,576 --> 00:56:39,495
Why was this guy killed?
1163
00:56:40,663 --> 00:56:43,958
I don't know why he was killed.
1164
00:56:44,375 --> 00:56:46,460
I do not know why.
1165
00:56:46,877 --> 00:56:48,337
So much went on that night,
1166
00:56:48,462 --> 00:56:50,423
it's hard to remember everything.
1167
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,093
I was weak.
1168
00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:58,556
But I gotta take responsibility
1169
00:56:58,681 --> 00:57:01,684
for actually causing his death
as much as Mike killed him.
1170
00:57:03,769 --> 00:57:05,604
In Provo today, testimony wrapped up
1171
00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:07,440
in the trial of Michael Archuleta,
1172
00:57:07,565 --> 00:57:10,109
accused of brutally killing
a Central Utah man.
1173
00:57:10,526 --> 00:57:12,778
I'd been to several trials at that time,
1174
00:57:12,903 --> 00:57:15,364
but there's nothing
like a homicide trial.
1175
00:57:15,489 --> 00:57:18,034
They are a total different animal.
1176
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:22,070
It was ugly.
1177
00:57:22,163 --> 00:57:24,165
It did affect our family.
1178
00:57:24,749 --> 00:57:28,085
And it affected the extended family,
1179
00:57:28,252 --> 00:57:30,796
'cause some of them
didn't want to claim him.
1180
00:57:31,505 --> 00:57:33,279
They got on TV and says, "Well, you know,
1181
00:57:33,299 --> 00:57:34,633
he's not even related to us,
1182
00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:36,969
he's adopted,
so we don't even know him."
1183
00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:39,305
And that was hurtful.
1184
00:57:41,849 --> 00:57:43,309
And Archuleta,
1185
00:57:43,434 --> 00:57:46,062
he tried to dress up in a suit
and a tie and look sharp,
1186
00:57:46,187 --> 00:57:49,732
but he still had his tattoos
showing above his shirt collar,
1187
00:57:49,857 --> 00:57:53,027
and just kinda hard for him to hide
1188
00:57:53,152 --> 00:57:56,322
that he was a hardened man.
1189
00:57:57,865 --> 00:57:59,366
He was this big, husky,
1190
00:57:59,492 --> 00:58:01,827
good-looking guy
with all this curly hair.
1191
00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:04,830
And a little bit on the cocky side.
1192
00:58:06,332 --> 00:58:07,938
And he gave me the thumbs up, like,
1193
00:58:07,958 --> 00:58:09,251
"It's gonna be okay, Mom."
1194
00:58:09,919 --> 00:58:12,348
But deep down I knew
that this was a horrible thing,
1195
00:58:12,379 --> 00:58:14,048
and it was not gonna be okay.
1196
00:58:14,632 --> 00:58:17,093
They took me into
the courtroom, swore me in,
1197
00:58:17,635 --> 00:58:18,835
and...
1198
00:58:18,886 --> 00:58:21,430
they had me testify that Gordon was gay.
1199
00:58:22,515 --> 00:58:24,433
Then, they actually
1200
00:58:25,017 --> 00:58:26,217
said that was enough.
1201
00:58:26,268 --> 00:58:27,853
And they had me get up and leave.
1202
00:58:28,979 --> 00:58:30,481
And as I was walking out,
1203
00:58:30,648 --> 00:58:33,442
they brought Archuleta
out of the courtroom.
1204
00:58:34,068 --> 00:58:36,529
And he grinned at me.
1205
00:58:37,655 --> 00:58:39,323
And I was so mad
1206
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:42,535
that I just wanted to slap
the smile off his face.
1207
00:58:45,121 --> 00:58:46,455
Dave and Nancy,
1208
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:49,166
they never missed a hearing,
1209
00:58:49,291 --> 00:58:50,981
they never missed a minute of the court.
1210
00:58:51,001 --> 00:58:52,545
They was there the whole time.
1211
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:54,380
And I know Nancy,
1212
00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:57,758
when she took the stand,
she stared at both of them,
1213
00:58:58,717 --> 00:59:00,845
each individual,
when she was on the stand,
1214
00:59:01,011 --> 00:59:01,971
of Archuleta.
1215
00:59:02,096 --> 00:59:03,639
Archuleta finally looked down.
1216
00:59:04,098 --> 00:59:07,434
He showed just a little bit
of remorse for her.
1217
00:59:08,144 --> 00:59:09,353
Wood never did.
1218
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,397
Never would blink an eye.
1219
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:15,234
I testified at Michael's trial.
1220
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:18,487
And even at the trials,
he was actually...
1221
00:59:19,363 --> 00:59:20,739
more friendly.
1222
00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:25,035
He would give me eye contact and smile,
1223
00:59:25,452 --> 00:59:26,954
where Lance wouldn't,
1224
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:28,279
and we were
1225
00:59:29,248 --> 00:59:31,584
engaged still, at that time.
1226
00:59:32,751 --> 00:59:35,004
Archuleta knew that
he was in for the long haul.
1227
00:59:35,379 --> 00:59:38,174
I think he knew that he had
1228
00:59:38,299 --> 00:59:40,759
really screwed up bad.
1229
00:59:44,096 --> 00:59:46,265
Mike Archuleta's trial
1230
00:59:47,183 --> 00:59:48,559
went very well, I thought.
1231
00:59:48,726 --> 00:59:49,935
I felt confident
1232
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:52,897
in what was presented,
and how it was presented.
1233
00:59:53,272 --> 00:59:56,066
I mean, it just went through the whole
1234
00:59:56,233 --> 00:59:57,433
episode here,
1235
00:59:57,776 --> 01:00:00,029
showing both of their participations,
1236
01:00:00,154 --> 01:00:01,614
who was doing what.
1237
01:00:03,073 --> 01:00:05,492
And I didn't feel
like our attorneys at the time
1238
01:00:05,618 --> 01:00:07,536
did a real good job of
1239
01:00:08,037 --> 01:00:09,538
defending Michael.
1240
01:00:10,956 --> 01:00:12,541
They were trying to get him off
1241
01:00:12,666 --> 01:00:16,378
with the fact that Archuleta had been
1242
01:00:16,503 --> 01:00:19,089
supposedly raped
by somebody that was gay,
1243
01:00:19,256 --> 01:00:20,466
or something like that,
1244
01:00:20,591 --> 01:00:22,353
or molested by somebody that was gay.
1245
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,450
Do you think race
played a factor as well?
1246
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:26,013
Very possibly, mmh-hm.
1247
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:29,642
One's last name
was Archuleta and one wasn't.
1248
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:33,896
I am incensed
1249
01:00:34,355 --> 01:00:35,689
when people use
1250
01:00:36,065 --> 01:00:38,859
the fact that "I'm a minority,"
1251
01:00:38,984 --> 01:00:40,945
or "I had a rough go."
1252
01:00:41,362 --> 01:00:43,220
A lot of people had a rough go in life,
1253
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,949
and they do not
1254
01:00:45,074 --> 01:00:47,326
torture, rape and kill
1255
01:00:47,451 --> 01:00:50,496
a kind and gentle
1256
01:00:50,913 --> 01:00:52,581
young gay man.
1257
01:00:55,542 --> 01:00:56,941
Good evening. I'm Michelle Kean.
1258
01:00:56,961 --> 01:00:58,379
And I'm Bob Evans.
1259
01:00:58,504 --> 01:01:00,194
Tomorrow, the jury begins deliberations
1260
01:01:00,214 --> 01:01:03,050
in the Michael Archuleta
murder trial in Provo.
1261
01:01:03,175 --> 01:01:04,468
You know, they said
1262
01:01:04,635 --> 01:01:06,731
they had no idea
how long it was going to be,
1263
01:01:06,971 --> 01:01:07,972
and...
1264
01:01:08,138 --> 01:01:09,765
we came home,
1265
01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:12,652
and I got a phone call that
the jury had reached a verdict.
1266
01:01:14,895 --> 01:01:17,606
And when I heard he'd
been found guilty, I just...
1267
01:01:18,524 --> 01:01:20,067
I don't know how I got to bed,
1268
01:01:20,192 --> 01:01:21,392
somebody put me there,
1269
01:01:21,485 --> 01:01:23,133
but I didn't get there on my own power.
1270
01:01:23,153 --> 01:01:25,219
I don't know if I passed out
or what happened,
1271
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:26,573
but the shock was...
1272
01:01:27,491 --> 01:01:28,993
'Cause it was so final.
1273
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:30,536
It was so final.
1274
01:01:32,830 --> 01:01:34,030
But...
1275
01:01:34,331 --> 01:01:35,531
what could you do?
1276
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,710
Condemned killer Michael Archuleta
1277
01:01:37,835 --> 01:01:39,670
now has an execution date.
1278
01:01:39,795 --> 01:01:41,547
Fourth District Judge George Baliff
1279
01:01:41,672 --> 01:01:43,195
signed Archuleta's death warrant today,
1280
01:01:43,215 --> 01:01:45,884
scheduling him to die by lethal injection
1281
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:47,261
on February 19th.
1282
01:01:47,386 --> 01:01:49,179
It's quiet joy
1283
01:01:49,305 --> 01:01:50,973
and satisfaction when
1284
01:01:51,765 --> 01:01:53,434
Archuleta was sentenced to death.
1285
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,512
I thought it was
the appropriate sentence.
1286
01:01:55,936 --> 01:01:59,481
For me, the fact that
he was going to be put to death,
1287
01:02:00,607 --> 01:02:02,067
seemed like justice.
1288
01:02:03,569 --> 01:02:05,404
Do you celebrate? No.
1289
01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:08,657
Are you happy it's over with?
1290
01:02:08,782 --> 01:02:10,784
Definitely happy it's over with.
1291
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:13,662
And, you know, I always recognized
1292
01:02:13,787 --> 01:02:15,956
that my brother's crime
was a horrible thing.
1293
01:02:16,707 --> 01:02:19,460
And maybe it's selfish of me,
1294
01:02:19,585 --> 01:02:23,005
but I really just don't
want to see him executed.
1295
01:02:26,508 --> 01:02:30,012
Do you believe Mike Archuleta
deserves the death penalty?
1296
01:02:34,016 --> 01:02:35,059
I believe so.
1297
01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:36,384
Why?
1298
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,525
Because it was a ruthless
1299
01:02:44,068 --> 01:02:45,268
murder.
1300
01:02:45,611 --> 01:02:47,509
I believe everyone's
entitled to forgiveness.
1301
01:02:47,529 --> 01:02:49,406
I believe everyone has
1302
01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:51,221
the right to be forgiven of things,
1303
01:02:51,241 --> 01:02:54,119
but I also believe that
there is a right for justice.
1304
01:02:59,625 --> 01:03:00,825
Lance's trial
1305
01:03:00,918 --> 01:03:03,962
happened in February of '90.
1306
01:03:04,088 --> 01:03:08,342
It was like the JonBenét Ramsey
of the time, you know?
1307
01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:10,260
It was huge.
1308
01:03:10,886 --> 01:03:12,721
Everybody in the state of Utah,
1309
01:03:12,846 --> 01:03:14,723
people in Idaho knew about it.
1310
01:03:14,848 --> 01:03:16,141
It was actually...
1311
01:03:16,266 --> 01:03:17,552
I believed that I wasn't...
1312
01:03:17,893 --> 01:03:19,186
going to lose, you know?
1313
01:03:19,311 --> 01:03:21,188
I believed that I was gonna actually
1314
01:03:21,772 --> 01:03:23,065
witness that trial.
1315
01:03:23,649 --> 01:03:25,025
The courtroom was full,
1316
01:03:25,484 --> 01:03:26,819
all the time.
1317
01:03:27,736 --> 01:03:29,488
Yeah, he didn't even cut his hair,
1318
01:03:29,613 --> 01:03:34,410
and I had girls chanting
for Lance, you know?
1319
01:03:35,077 --> 01:03:36,277
Now...
1320
01:03:36,995 --> 01:03:38,247
as a mother,
1321
01:03:38,372 --> 01:03:40,040
I can't even imagine
1322
01:03:42,751 --> 01:03:43,961
the pain and the horror
1323
01:03:44,128 --> 01:03:46,588
that I brought to the Church family
1324
01:03:46,713 --> 01:03:48,715
by doing that.
1325
01:03:51,969 --> 01:03:55,431
My trial didn't go
as well as I thought it'd go.
1326
01:03:55,973 --> 01:03:57,173
You know?
1327
01:03:57,558 --> 01:03:59,393
He told me that he was not supposed
1328
01:03:59,518 --> 01:04:01,562
to show any emotion at all.
1329
01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,898
So he was cold.
1330
01:04:05,816 --> 01:04:08,318
There's a feeling that you get when you
1331
01:04:08,861 --> 01:04:09,903
know when you're screwed,
1332
01:04:10,028 --> 01:04:12,072
when you know you're kind of...
1333
01:04:12,197 --> 01:04:14,867
There is no hope in that situation.
1334
01:04:15,868 --> 01:04:18,579
And I stayed the whole time.
1335
01:04:19,329 --> 01:04:21,498
Even after I gave my testimony,
1336
01:04:21,623 --> 01:04:23,667
I was not let back into the courtroom.
1337
01:04:23,792 --> 01:04:26,170
I was considered a hostile witness.
1338
01:04:26,295 --> 01:04:27,629
Because I was under such
1339
01:04:27,754 --> 01:04:30,466
the impression that Lance was innocent.
1340
01:04:31,592 --> 01:04:33,635
It was almost as if
1341
01:04:35,888 --> 01:04:37,639
they were the enemy.
1342
01:04:38,348 --> 01:04:39,548
And, you know,
1343
01:04:39,683 --> 01:04:40,684
I think the biggest thing
1344
01:04:40,809 --> 01:04:42,394
was in the closing arguments.
1345
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:43,896
My attorney goes,
1346
01:04:45,939 --> 01:04:48,442
"Lance was not a bystander,
1347
01:04:48,567 --> 01:04:49,985
Lance is a liar."
1348
01:04:51,403 --> 01:04:52,946
And that was my own attorney,
1349
01:04:53,071 --> 01:04:56,158
stating that to the jury,
after I testified.
1350
01:04:57,659 --> 01:04:59,745
And when the verdict was read,
1351
01:04:59,870 --> 01:05:01,580
there was cheering,
1352
01:05:02,206 --> 01:05:04,124
and there was booing.
1353
01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:08,754
For me, I was praying.
1354
01:05:10,672 --> 01:05:13,091
Mr. Wood's continued
1355
01:05:13,634 --> 01:05:15,385
changing of his stories
1356
01:05:16,178 --> 01:05:18,305
was his effort to avoid responsibility
1357
01:05:18,430 --> 01:05:20,057
for a crime he participated in.
1358
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:21,934
And I think the jury saw that.
1359
01:05:23,227 --> 01:05:25,187
He'd already been found guilty,
1360
01:05:25,312 --> 01:05:26,563
the same as Archuleta,
1361
01:05:26,688 --> 01:05:29,066
but now the sentencing phase kicked in
1362
01:05:29,483 --> 01:05:31,026
and Lance's attorney
1363
01:05:31,443 --> 01:05:34,530
and his family brought in
just a bunch of people
1364
01:05:34,655 --> 01:05:36,532
to tell you how good a guy Lance was.
1365
01:05:37,324 --> 01:05:39,324
According to what
they said and everything,
1366
01:05:39,409 --> 01:05:41,662
he was a prize, man.
1367
01:05:41,787 --> 01:05:43,664
That guy was a number one kid.
1368
01:05:44,248 --> 01:05:46,725
But according to what happened,
I don't think he was.
1369
01:05:46,833 --> 01:05:48,565
I think he had the same
problems as Michael did,
1370
01:05:48,585 --> 01:05:49,962
but they made him look like
1371
01:05:50,087 --> 01:05:52,214
a sterling scholar and the whole bit.
1372
01:05:53,674 --> 01:05:55,030
You know, they brought a lot of
1373
01:05:55,050 --> 01:05:58,345
religious background into it, you know.
1374
01:05:58,887 --> 01:06:01,431
Well, they took in his baptismal thing,
1375
01:06:02,099 --> 01:06:04,393
and they brought in all his Scout
1376
01:06:04,810 --> 01:06:06,228
merit badges.
1377
01:06:06,645 --> 01:06:08,647
And they did a pretty good job
1378
01:06:09,606 --> 01:06:11,004
making an angel out of this guy.
1379
01:06:11,024 --> 01:06:12,359
Well, he wasn't an angel.
1380
01:06:13,026 --> 01:06:14,925
I wanted to stand up and yell at the jury
1381
01:06:14,945 --> 01:06:17,739
and say, "This isn't
the guy that did this!"
1382
01:06:18,198 --> 01:06:19,398
And so
1383
01:06:19,950 --> 01:06:21,410
he got off with...
1384
01:06:21,535 --> 01:06:23,036
with life.
1385
01:06:29,209 --> 01:06:30,781
I mean, I just felt if two people
1386
01:06:30,836 --> 01:06:32,546
are involved in the same crime,
1387
01:06:32,921 --> 01:06:34,756
they should both have
1388
01:06:35,465 --> 01:06:36,842
the same punishment.
1389
01:06:37,426 --> 01:06:38,760
In my opinion,
1390
01:06:38,885 --> 01:06:40,617
both of them deserved the death penalty.
1391
01:06:40,637 --> 01:06:43,223
Archuleta got it.
Lance Wood didn't.
1392
01:06:44,391 --> 01:06:45,591
Lance Wood should have.
1393
01:06:46,059 --> 01:06:47,393
I believe that some aspects,
1394
01:06:47,477 --> 01:06:49,605
like I said, I deserve time,
1395
01:06:50,022 --> 01:06:51,773
but what do I deserve time for?
1396
01:06:53,817 --> 01:06:55,360
He didn't, because,
1397
01:06:55,485 --> 01:06:57,487
I think, as the facts shook out,
1398
01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:00,324
for lack of a better analogy,
he didn't pull the trigger.
1399
01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:03,368
He didn't impale Gordon,
he didn't rape Gordon.
1400
01:07:03,493 --> 01:07:06,288
You know, I guess a lot of Nazis
1401
01:07:06,413 --> 01:07:08,498
have that same defense
1402
01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:10,792
when six million Jews were killed.
1403
01:07:10,917 --> 01:07:12,608
"Well, you know, I was following orders,"
1404
01:07:12,628 --> 01:07:14,212
"I was afraid for my own life,"
1405
01:07:14,338 --> 01:07:18,050
or, "I just did what
I thought I should do."
1406
01:07:19,134 --> 01:07:21,178
I know that they said he just watched,
1407
01:07:21,303 --> 01:07:22,503
but he watched!
1408
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,390
He shouldn't have been there,
he should've stopped it,
1409
01:07:25,515 --> 01:07:26,808
he shouldn't have...
1410
01:07:27,768 --> 01:07:29,227
let it happen.
1411
01:07:30,562 --> 01:07:32,022
To me... I don't know.
1412
01:07:32,564 --> 01:07:35,942
I think they both should have
gotten death, to be honest.
1413
01:07:36,693 --> 01:07:39,571
It didn't really... matter.
1414
01:07:39,696 --> 01:07:41,011
The fact that neither one of them
1415
01:07:41,031 --> 01:07:43,200
could hurt someone else ever again
1416
01:07:43,575 --> 01:07:46,411
was the be-all and end-all.
1417
01:07:51,917 --> 01:07:54,211
When Gordon Church was murdered in 1988,
1418
01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:57,214
Utah didn't have
any hate crimes legislation.
1419
01:07:57,339 --> 01:07:59,216
But, within a few years,
1420
01:07:59,383 --> 01:08:02,678
representative David Litvack
introduced a bill
1421
01:08:02,803 --> 01:08:04,137
in the Utah legislature
1422
01:08:04,262 --> 01:08:07,974
to protect all groups
from hate crimes in Utah,
1423
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:09,643
including gay people.
1424
01:08:10,268 --> 01:08:12,604
Unfortunately, that bill was hijacked
1425
01:08:12,729 --> 01:08:15,857
by a Republican legislator,
1426
01:08:15,982 --> 01:08:17,859
and it really was sort of gutted
1427
01:08:17,984 --> 01:08:20,320
in a way that has made it unenforceable.
1428
01:08:22,447 --> 01:08:24,700
The original hate crimes
law just didn't cut it.
1429
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,120
In fact, we actually had
a court case that came back
1430
01:08:28,745 --> 01:08:31,228
that clearly indicated
that the current hate crimes law
1431
01:08:31,248 --> 01:08:32,874
couldn't be applied in most cases.
1432
01:08:32,999 --> 01:08:34,918
It was that weak and that watered-down
1433
01:08:35,085 --> 01:08:37,713
that it was really, truly, ineffective.
1434
01:08:40,382 --> 01:08:42,759
Nobody wants to come to terms with,
1435
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:45,387
I punch someone in the face,
1436
01:08:46,054 --> 01:08:47,556
is a misdemeanor.
1437
01:08:47,681 --> 01:08:49,307
But I punch someone in the face
1438
01:08:49,433 --> 01:08:51,935
because they're gay or they're black,
1439
01:08:52,102 --> 01:08:53,353
or they're Jewish,
1440
01:08:53,478 --> 01:08:54,938
makes it a felony.
1441
01:08:55,105 --> 01:08:57,607
It's interesting that
the pioneers who came to Utah
1442
01:08:57,733 --> 01:08:59,443
came here, trying to avoid hate
1443
01:08:59,609 --> 01:09:02,571
and people attacking them
for what they believed in.
1444
01:09:02,946 --> 01:09:05,157
And yet, it took us
a long time to figure out
1445
01:09:05,282 --> 01:09:06,888
that if we're gonna
have a law on the books,
1446
01:09:06,908 --> 01:09:08,432
we need to have a law that works.
1447
01:09:08,452 --> 01:09:10,704
And that's kind of
how I came to the point
1448
01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:12,227
where I told Senator Thatcher,
1449
01:09:12,247 --> 01:09:14,295
"I wanna be your sponsor
in the House side."
1450
01:09:17,335 --> 01:09:19,421
When someone is convicted of a crime,
1451
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:21,965
and only
1452
01:09:22,132 --> 01:09:24,760
after someone
has been convicted of a crime,
1453
01:09:25,177 --> 01:09:27,304
do we enter the sentencing phase.
1454
01:09:28,096 --> 01:09:29,954
The sentencing phase is when we decide,
1455
01:09:30,056 --> 01:09:31,266
"Okay, they did it,
1456
01:09:31,808 --> 01:09:33,143
how bad was it?
1457
01:09:33,268 --> 01:09:35,312
What should the punishment be?"
1458
01:09:35,437 --> 01:09:37,063
Now, some people,
1459
01:09:37,814 --> 01:09:39,441
and one of the largest objections
1460
01:09:39,566 --> 01:09:40,766
that I've had to overcome
1461
01:09:41,151 --> 01:09:43,069
from people who don't like
1462
01:09:43,195 --> 01:09:45,864
the idea of an enhanced sentence is,
1463
01:09:45,989 --> 01:09:47,824
"Well, a crime is a crime is a crime.
1464
01:09:48,283 --> 01:09:50,452
We should treat
all crimes the same."
1465
01:09:51,328 --> 01:09:52,851
Well, the challenge with that is,
1466
01:09:52,871 --> 01:09:55,999
that is literally the exact opposite
1467
01:09:56,124 --> 01:09:59,044
of how our criminal justice system works.
1468
01:09:59,169 --> 01:10:00,504
Kind of like murder.
1469
01:10:00,629 --> 01:10:02,652
Murder's broken down
into various categories.
1470
01:10:02,672 --> 01:10:05,926
So, a murder, obviously you lose a life.
1471
01:10:06,051 --> 01:10:08,386
But if you have a murder
where somebody is drunk
1472
01:10:08,512 --> 01:10:10,472
and didn't mean to kill somebody,
1473
01:10:10,597 --> 01:10:11,797
it's considered, uh,
1474
01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:13,163
I hate to say it, but a lesser murder.
1475
01:10:13,183 --> 01:10:14,498
And they're probably not gonna get
1476
01:10:14,518 --> 01:10:16,233
a death row for something like that.
1477
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:20,023
But I don't think
any of us can realistically say
1478
01:10:20,398 --> 01:10:22,150
that spraying your girlfriend's name
1479
01:10:22,275 --> 01:10:24,528
on a fence or an overpass
1480
01:10:24,653 --> 01:10:25,987
is the same crime
1481
01:10:26,112 --> 01:10:27,906
as going to a Jewish synagogue
1482
01:10:28,031 --> 01:10:29,741
and spray-painting a swastika
1483
01:10:29,866 --> 01:10:31,451
and the words, 'Die, Jews.'
1484
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,788
Now if you believe
that those are the same crime
1485
01:10:35,497 --> 01:10:38,708
because in both cases you still
have to clean up graffiti,
1486
01:10:38,875 --> 01:10:40,210
then with respect,
1487
01:10:40,377 --> 01:10:42,526
you probably will not
come on board for this bill,
1488
01:10:42,546 --> 01:10:44,737
and you probably
should vote against this bill,
1489
01:10:44,798 --> 01:10:46,341
if you truly believe
1490
01:10:46,466 --> 01:10:49,010
that those two crimes
should be punished the same.
1491
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:51,451
The way our law's gonna work is,
1492
01:10:51,471 --> 01:10:53,598
we'll convict you of the crime first.
1493
01:10:54,015 --> 01:10:56,226
And then we'll add
an additional penalty on
1494
01:10:56,393 --> 01:10:57,269
because the fact
1495
01:10:57,394 --> 01:10:58,775
your selection of your victim
1496
01:10:58,895 --> 01:11:00,689
had everything to do with
1497
01:11:01,314 --> 01:11:04,276
a particular character or preference,
1498
01:11:04,401 --> 01:11:06,778
not because of anything else.
1499
01:11:06,903 --> 01:11:08,488
Can't prevent everything, but
1500
01:11:08,613 --> 01:11:10,073
this law, by passing it,
1501
01:11:10,198 --> 01:11:12,200
putting it in place with SB103,
1502
01:11:12,325 --> 01:11:14,744
I think, down the road,
will make a difference
1503
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:17,539
in making people stop
and think about what they do
1504
01:11:17,664 --> 01:11:18,864
and why they're doing it.
1505
01:11:19,499 --> 01:11:21,459
Let's move forward with the solution
1506
01:11:21,585 --> 01:11:24,296
that we know is 100% constitutional,
1507
01:11:24,421 --> 01:11:27,424
that we know is 100% legally sound.
1508
01:11:28,258 --> 01:11:30,969
When we're looking at
complex legal issues,
1509
01:11:31,094 --> 01:11:32,512
if we're smart,
1510
01:11:33,054 --> 01:11:35,390
we listen to our subject matter experts.
1511
01:11:35,932 --> 01:11:37,622
We listen to the Sentencing Commission
1512
01:11:37,642 --> 01:11:39,936
who talks about
what punishments ought to be.
1513
01:11:40,312 --> 01:11:42,522
We should listen to
our Chiefs, our sheriffs,
1514
01:11:42,647 --> 01:11:45,400
we should listen to
our religious communities,
1515
01:11:45,859 --> 01:11:47,444
which are united.
1516
01:11:47,944 --> 01:11:50,030
I am not aware of a single religion
1517
01:11:50,155 --> 01:11:51,907
that has come forward and said,
1518
01:11:52,657 --> 01:11:54,409
"We don't want this protection."
1519
01:11:55,744 --> 01:11:56,944
We should listen.
1520
01:11:58,955 --> 01:12:00,155
We should listen.
1521
01:12:08,632 --> 01:12:10,133
After Lance was convicted,
1522
01:12:10,258 --> 01:12:12,969
he was sentenced to life in prison,
1523
01:12:13,136 --> 01:12:16,014
and ended up in Draper, Utah, initially.
1524
01:12:17,766 --> 01:12:19,623
He became known as
kind of a prison snitch,
1525
01:12:19,643 --> 01:12:21,249
and after a while they transferred him
1526
01:12:21,269 --> 01:12:24,314
up to Orofino, Idaho, to serve his time.
1527
01:12:24,731 --> 01:12:26,379
While he was there, he ended up having
1528
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:28,693
several different
long-term sexual relationships
1529
01:12:28,818 --> 01:12:31,154
with female staff at the prison,
1530
01:12:31,321 --> 01:12:34,199
and so they transferred him
to Napa, Idaho,
1531
01:12:34,324 --> 01:12:36,576
which is where he met Renee McKenzie.
1532
01:12:37,494 --> 01:12:39,829
My ex-husband was a senator,
1533
01:12:39,955 --> 01:12:41,164
a state senator.
1534
01:12:41,623 --> 01:12:44,960
Since I wasn't a politician,
I was kind of in the background,
1535
01:12:45,418 --> 01:12:46,795
and so I
1536
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:50,090
learned a lot about Idaho politics.
1537
01:12:50,882 --> 01:12:52,759
My first meeting with Lance was,
1538
01:12:52,884 --> 01:12:55,345
I went to prison and I said,
1539
01:12:55,929 --> 01:12:57,681
"I'm working on prison reform,
1540
01:12:57,806 --> 01:12:59,307
I'm writing
1541
01:12:59,432 --> 01:13:02,519
some legislation
for the parole board."
1542
01:13:02,644 --> 01:13:04,688
At first, I thought it was a senator's
1543
01:13:04,813 --> 01:13:08,358
either daughter or sister or relative,
1544
01:13:08,525 --> 01:13:10,360
because to me, in my mind,
1545
01:13:10,485 --> 01:13:13,571
senator, old, you know, 98 years old.
1546
01:13:13,697 --> 01:13:16,825
You know, I didn't know,
so it was kind of,
1547
01:13:17,283 --> 01:13:19,744
"Hey, this is pretty nice," you know?
1548
01:13:19,869 --> 01:13:22,872
All I wanted to talk
to him about was prison reform,
1549
01:13:22,998 --> 01:13:26,251
what could be done on
the inside of prison to improve,
1550
01:13:27,127 --> 01:13:28,753
you know, what Idaho had going.
1551
01:13:28,878 --> 01:13:30,922
Renee, much like me,
1552
01:13:31,381 --> 01:13:34,134
was enamored by this...
1553
01:13:34,843 --> 01:13:36,043
individual.
1554
01:13:37,053 --> 01:13:38,513
Uh...
1555
01:13:38,638 --> 01:13:40,877
So there was an
immediate attraction there then?
1556
01:13:40,932 --> 01:13:42,809
Immediate attraction to her.
1557
01:13:42,934 --> 01:13:44,686
And so I came home
1558
01:13:45,103 --> 01:13:46,303
that night,
1559
01:13:46,646 --> 01:13:48,690
and I remember going in the computer room
1560
01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:50,275
and looking him up,
1561
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,716
'cause I just thought, I
wonder what he's in prison for?
1562
01:13:52,736 --> 01:13:56,489
His crime is absolutely horrific.
1563
01:13:57,574 --> 01:13:58,774
So, uh...
1564
01:13:59,367 --> 01:14:01,327
being the interrogator that I am,
1565
01:14:01,453 --> 01:14:03,371
I wrote down my thousand questions,
1566
01:14:03,496 --> 01:14:05,582
and went back and slapped
1567
01:14:06,249 --> 01:14:07,959
my folder on the table, and I said,
1568
01:14:08,084 --> 01:14:09,169
"I got some questions for you,
1569
01:14:09,294 --> 01:14:10,567
and you're gonna
answer all of them."
1570
01:14:10,587 --> 01:14:13,006
She was drilling me, all right?
1571
01:14:13,423 --> 01:14:15,800
And it was funny as that,
for some reason,
1572
01:14:15,925 --> 01:14:17,510
I've always...
1573
01:14:18,094 --> 01:14:19,929
been not totally truthful
1574
01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:21,097
with... with everyone,
1575
01:14:21,264 --> 01:14:22,724
it just never happened.
1576
01:14:24,017 --> 01:14:26,311
But with her, I just couldn't shut up.
1577
01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:28,563
So I feel like he was
1578
01:14:28,688 --> 01:14:31,232
transparent, I don't think
he was hiding anything.
1579
01:14:31,357 --> 01:14:32,859
He answered all my questions.
1580
01:14:33,234 --> 01:14:36,446
And at the end, she
closed the folder and said,
1581
01:14:36,613 --> 01:14:38,328
"I'm glad that you didn't lie to me.
1582
01:14:38,448 --> 01:14:40,472
I'm glad that you were
actually honest with me."
1583
01:14:40,492 --> 01:14:41,785
She had
1584
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:45,663
gotten the same types of
stories from Lance that I got.
1585
01:14:47,165 --> 01:14:49,209
And Lance was very convincing.
1586
01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:52,670
So we built a real quick friendship.
1587
01:14:53,129 --> 01:14:55,298
We didn't become romantic,
1588
01:14:55,465 --> 01:14:58,218
but I think, when two people
are working on a cause
1589
01:14:58,343 --> 01:15:01,971
so hard and so emotionally,
1590
01:15:02,138 --> 01:15:04,390
you kind of click, as far as
1591
01:15:05,141 --> 01:15:07,352
what you're trying to accomplish,
1592
01:15:08,144 --> 01:15:09,646
with prison reform.
1593
01:15:09,813 --> 01:15:12,524
Were you flirtatious?
Were you complimentary?
1594
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:15,151
No, I was all business.
1595
01:15:15,819 --> 01:15:18,446
And it wasn't until after our first trial
1596
01:15:18,571 --> 01:15:19,928
that we kind of admitted to each other
1597
01:15:19,948 --> 01:15:21,825
that we had feelings for each other.
1598
01:15:22,659 --> 01:15:24,410
Did you and Lance fall in love?
1599
01:15:26,287 --> 01:15:27,487
Um...
1600
01:15:31,084 --> 01:15:33,461
Those are hard things
to answer and I don't know.
1601
01:15:36,172 --> 01:15:37,744
Yeah, we absolutely fell in love.
1602
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:41,261
When Renee's husband found out
1603
01:15:41,386 --> 01:15:43,680
about her relationship with Lance,
1604
01:15:43,805 --> 01:15:46,474
it hit the local newspapers
and there was a lot of drama.
1605
01:15:46,599 --> 01:15:49,018
Lance ended up getting transferred again,
1606
01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:52,730
this time to a minimum security
prison in Pendleton, Oregon.
1607
01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:55,775
Renee moved there to be with him,
1608
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:57,610
after divorcing her husband.
1609
01:15:57,735 --> 01:15:59,509
And she and Lance
ended up getting married
1610
01:15:59,529 --> 01:16:01,030
in the prison there.
1611
01:16:06,202 --> 01:16:08,204
Lance Wood was
sentenced to life in prison
1612
01:16:08,329 --> 01:16:09,806
with the possibility of parole.
1613
01:16:09,914 --> 01:16:12,458
He could see the light of day again.
1614
01:16:16,754 --> 01:16:18,528
At this point,
he's applied for parole twice
1615
01:16:18,548 --> 01:16:20,508
and been denied both times.
1616
01:16:21,217 --> 01:16:22,844
Every denial as of yet has been
1617
01:16:22,969 --> 01:16:24,721
based solely on the crime itself,
1618
01:16:24,846 --> 01:16:26,347
and not my behavior in prison.
1619
01:16:26,472 --> 01:16:28,711
Okay. Do you feel like
you've had good behavior?
1620
01:16:29,058 --> 01:16:30,351
You know, my ill behavior
1621
01:16:30,476 --> 01:16:32,228
is probably the staff relationships.
1622
01:16:32,729 --> 01:16:34,189
I guess I'm not Irish,
1623
01:16:34,314 --> 01:16:35,795
but for the luck of the Irish, you know,
1624
01:16:35,815 --> 01:16:38,234
the women have just
been coming to me, so...
1625
01:16:39,611 --> 01:16:42,322
Lance Wood is a very
1626
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:46,075
charming person.
1627
01:16:46,743 --> 01:16:49,162
I was fired, let go from Hospice Care
1628
01:16:49,287 --> 01:16:50,811
for having several relationships
1629
01:16:50,872 --> 01:16:53,291
with the female staff
down there, the nurses.
1630
01:16:56,544 --> 01:16:57,962
He's also very...
1631
01:17:00,089 --> 01:17:01,299
cunning.
1632
01:17:03,927 --> 01:17:06,721
In Lance's own words,
he's called himself a womanizer.
1633
01:17:07,972 --> 01:17:09,515
Lance is a womanizer.
1634
01:17:11,309 --> 01:17:12,977
What's your opinion on that?
1635
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,397
Um... He loves women.
1636
01:17:17,023 --> 01:17:20,693
And he went into prison
when he was, what, 21?
1637
01:17:21,569 --> 01:17:24,405
So think yourself, in prison, at 21.
1638
01:17:26,491 --> 01:17:28,743
If you're a womanizer,
you're gonna womanize.
1639
01:17:31,371 --> 01:17:33,748
Let's see, one was a Sandy Martin.
1640
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:36,700
And...
1641
01:17:38,127 --> 01:17:39,420
Cheryl Davis,
1642
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:41,965
and three others
1643
01:17:42,131 --> 01:17:43,529
that I don't wanna mention their names
1644
01:17:43,549 --> 01:17:44,968
just because they...
1645
01:17:45,093 --> 01:17:46,951
We had never met with any investigator.
1646
01:17:47,136 --> 01:17:49,555
I guess, the way I could
1647
01:17:49,681 --> 01:17:52,392
possibly best describe it, is...
1648
01:17:53,059 --> 01:17:54,259
Ted Bundy.
1649
01:17:55,228 --> 01:17:57,855
He is a very nice-looking man,
1650
01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:00,474
who...
1651
01:18:01,401 --> 01:18:03,152
who manipulates people.
1652
01:18:03,861 --> 01:18:06,948
Let us see, I followed suit down there.
1653
01:18:07,824 --> 01:18:09,951
Started a few more relationships.
1654
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,705
That's when I met Cheryl... I mean...
1655
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,200
Renee.
1656
01:18:23,756 --> 01:18:25,071
Yeah, when people go to prison,
1657
01:18:25,091 --> 01:18:26,990
they have nothing
but time on their hands,
1658
01:18:27,010 --> 01:18:30,013
and it sounds like he's used that time to
1659
01:18:30,138 --> 01:18:34,726
continue to wreak havoc
in multiple people's lives.
1660
01:18:44,986 --> 01:18:47,030
He says, "A lot of people believe
1661
01:18:47,155 --> 01:18:48,364
'an eye for an eye',"
1662
01:18:48,531 --> 01:18:49,449
he says, "How do you
feel about it, Mom?"
1663
01:18:49,574 --> 01:18:50,774
And I says, "Well,
1664
01:18:50,908 --> 01:18:52,390
that's what it says in the Bible,
1665
01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:53,995
I guess, I've never read it.
1666
01:18:54,704 --> 01:18:57,040
But I don't know,
some people believe in it,
1667
01:18:57,165 --> 01:18:58,396
and I keep thinking, you...
1668
01:18:58,416 --> 01:18:59,988
You had to pay
for your mistakes."
1669
01:19:01,586 --> 01:19:03,063
When Mike first went to prison,
1670
01:19:03,087 --> 01:19:04,505
he was very, very angry,
1671
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:07,091
and he was very suicidal,
and he was very depressed.
1672
01:19:08,259 --> 01:19:10,283
Well, at the beginning,
it was kind of hard on him,
1673
01:19:10,303 --> 01:19:13,639
I mean, he'd been incarcerated
before, many times.
1674
01:19:14,057 --> 01:19:16,039
But like he says,
"This is a big boy thing,"
1675
01:19:16,059 --> 01:19:17,259
this is not a
1676
01:19:17,518 --> 01:19:19,062
young punk, type thing,
1677
01:19:19,187 --> 01:19:21,522
this is... this is a big thing.
1678
01:19:22,857 --> 01:19:24,692
I think finally he just settled down
1679
01:19:24,817 --> 01:19:27,445
into the fact that this is where he was.
1680
01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:29,197
This was his life,
1681
01:19:29,322 --> 01:19:31,783
and he got older, and matured.
1682
01:19:33,242 --> 01:19:34,202
Like he told me, he says,
1683
01:19:34,327 --> 01:19:36,412
"If I knew then what I know now,
1684
01:19:36,579 --> 01:19:38,289
and how many people care about me
1685
01:19:38,414 --> 01:19:39,729
and what I could have done with my life,"
1686
01:19:39,749 --> 01:19:41,542
he says, "I've wasted my whole life
1687
01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:43,378
just being bitter and angry."
1688
01:19:46,422 --> 01:19:48,091
Michael talked about,
1689
01:19:48,257 --> 01:19:49,092
after the crime,
1690
01:19:49,217 --> 01:19:50,593
that he felt
1691
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,095
that Gordon had come to him,
1692
01:19:52,261 --> 01:19:56,349
that he dreamed him regularly,
all of the time.
1693
01:19:57,225 --> 01:19:59,352
He says, "Like I could almost smell him,
1694
01:19:59,477 --> 01:20:01,479
it's like he died in my cell."
1695
01:20:01,604 --> 01:20:03,147
He says it was hard,
1696
01:20:03,272 --> 01:20:04,607
so he lost a lot of weight
1697
01:20:04,732 --> 01:20:07,276
because he just couldn't sleep.
1698
01:20:08,945 --> 01:20:10,863
They work out a lot at the prison,
1699
01:20:10,988 --> 01:20:13,199
and he had rigged up his own weights,
1700
01:20:13,866 --> 01:20:16,702
milk cartons full of water,
and weights on them,
1701
01:20:16,828 --> 01:20:19,247
to pump iron, and ironically,
1702
01:20:19,372 --> 01:20:20,748
it was on the anniversary
1703
01:20:20,873 --> 01:20:23,292
of the date of his crime.
1704
01:20:23,793 --> 01:20:25,253
He says he heard a pop,
1705
01:20:25,795 --> 01:20:27,110
and the other guys around him
1706
01:20:27,130 --> 01:20:28,965
heard the pop sound like a gunshot.
1707
01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:31,592
One of the elastics
snapped on his weights
1708
01:20:31,717 --> 01:20:33,116
and came back and hit him in the eye
1709
01:20:33,136 --> 01:20:35,721
and ruptured his eye
and he lost his eyeball.
1710
01:20:37,306 --> 01:20:38,975
He says,
"I should have been dead."
1711
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:42,311
He says, "If that had gotten
just a little fraction
1712
01:20:42,437 --> 01:20:43,855
of an inch or whatever,"
1713
01:20:43,980 --> 01:20:46,212
he says "it would had
probably blown my brains out."
1714
01:20:46,232 --> 01:20:48,471
He says, "But there was
a reason why it didn't."
1715
01:20:49,068 --> 01:20:51,112
He said it was just so strange
1716
01:20:51,237 --> 01:20:52,613
that it was on that day.
1717
01:20:52,738 --> 01:20:54,323
He almost felt like
1718
01:20:54,490 --> 01:20:58,619
it released some kind of
almost, some guilt with him.
1719
01:21:01,622 --> 01:21:03,332
Michael Anthony Archuleta
1720
01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:05,251
has not been executed.
1721
01:21:05,376 --> 01:21:06,576
And, uh...
1722
01:21:07,003 --> 01:21:10,214
that's a tragedy, and
it's a failing of our system.
1723
01:21:11,632 --> 01:21:12,633
I don't know if they'll ever
1724
01:21:12,758 --> 01:21:14,802
execute Archuleta or not.
1725
01:21:14,927 --> 01:21:16,345
You know, he's been there for
1726
01:21:16,721 --> 01:21:19,140
thirty years, almost, now, and...
1727
01:21:20,099 --> 01:21:22,018
still fighting it, which is ridiculous.
1728
01:21:22,143 --> 01:21:23,905
Good morning again,
Mr. Chief Justice,
1729
01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:26,127
Associate Chief Justice,
members of the court.
1730
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:28,379
May it please the court,
my name is Charlotte Merrill.
1731
01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:30,776
Again, I represent
Michael Anthony Archuleta.
1732
01:21:30,902 --> 01:21:32,925
So there are a lot of things
that came to light.
1733
01:21:32,945 --> 01:21:36,532
The sexual abuse, you know,
when he was at State Hospital.
1734
01:21:36,657 --> 01:21:37,889
Of course, none of this was known
1735
01:21:37,909 --> 01:21:39,744
at the time of his original trial.
1736
01:21:40,536 --> 01:21:43,539
Mr. Archuleta was entitled
to the effective assistance
1737
01:21:43,664 --> 01:21:44,916
of post-conviction counsel
1738
01:21:45,041 --> 01:21:47,752
in his initial
post-conviction proceedings.
1739
01:21:48,544 --> 01:21:50,338
But his counsel was conflicted,
1740
01:21:50,713 --> 01:21:53,466
under-qualified, and under-funded,
1741
01:21:53,591 --> 01:21:55,635
and missed serious red flags,
1742
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,929
that he was intellectually disabled,
1743
01:21:58,429 --> 01:21:59,972
and, thus,
1744
01:22:00,348 --> 01:22:01,933
ineligible for execution.
1745
01:22:02,975 --> 01:22:05,770
He went through all of his state appeals,
1746
01:22:05,895 --> 01:22:08,814
they finally finished,
I think, about five years ago.
1747
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:10,983
And then the federal appeals started.
1748
01:22:11,859 --> 01:22:13,736
And I don't understand why
1749
01:22:13,903 --> 01:22:16,427
all those appeals weren't
taking place at the same time.
1750
01:22:16,447 --> 01:22:17,949
I don't understand that.
1751
01:22:18,074 --> 01:22:19,909
You know, a wrongly-imprisoned
1752
01:22:20,076 --> 01:22:21,696
criminal defendant who has claims,
1753
01:22:21,786 --> 01:22:23,768
has every incentive
to bring those claims early,
1754
01:22:23,788 --> 01:22:25,312
and to pursue them aggressively.
1755
01:22:26,082 --> 01:22:29,710
It's the opposite if you have
a guilty person on death row.
1756
01:22:29,835 --> 01:22:31,420
That person
1757
01:22:31,546 --> 01:22:33,152
has every incentive to wait
until the last possible minute
1758
01:22:33,172 --> 01:22:36,509
to bring claims to gum up
the works of litigation.
1759
01:22:36,884 --> 01:22:38,282
And all we're appealing now is,
1760
01:22:38,302 --> 01:22:40,304
little, teeny, micro-technicalities,
1761
01:22:40,429 --> 01:22:41,953
and that's what's
drawing this whole thing out,
1762
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:43,173
and keeping him alive.
1763
01:22:43,516 --> 01:22:46,269
I mean, they filed
their federal petition in 2012.
1764
01:22:46,435 --> 01:22:47,770
We're standing here in 2018,
1765
01:22:47,937 --> 01:22:49,460
and really nothing's
happened in the federal case,
1766
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:51,420
because we've been
litigating these the whole time.
1767
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,985
And that's already
a victory for their client.
1768
01:22:56,237 --> 01:22:58,781
Sitting on death row,
while intellectually disabled,
1769
01:22:58,906 --> 01:23:00,324
is not a victory.
1770
01:23:01,909 --> 01:23:05,121
Knowing the horrific situation
with Mr. Archuleta,
1771
01:23:05,288 --> 01:23:07,270
I don't know why we're paying
for all of his medical bills,
1772
01:23:07,290 --> 01:23:08,604
and all of the things to keep him alive.
1773
01:23:08,624 --> 01:23:09,959
I think that,
1774
01:23:10,084 --> 01:23:11,857
realistically, the state of Utah
needs to carry out
1775
01:23:11,877 --> 01:23:13,212
what it's intended to do.
1776
01:23:15,673 --> 01:23:17,154
He's been given execution dates,
1777
01:23:17,174 --> 01:23:19,719
that have come and gone,
but you never know when,
1778
01:23:19,844 --> 01:23:21,512
when it's not, you know?
1779
01:23:21,637 --> 01:23:22,994
So we've geared ourselves up,
1780
01:23:23,014 --> 01:23:24,557
and then it doesn't happen,
1781
01:23:24,682 --> 01:23:26,559
and then we geared ourselves up,
1782
01:23:26,684 --> 01:23:28,269
for many, many years.
1783
01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:31,063
We as prosecutors concentrate
1784
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:34,442
on the victims,
and the victims' families.
1785
01:23:34,567 --> 01:23:35,985
And for them to wait
1786
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,239
five years, and then a decade,
and then two decades...
1787
01:23:41,157 --> 01:23:42,450
It takes its toll
1788
01:23:42,908 --> 01:23:45,161
on the families.
1789
01:23:45,328 --> 01:23:46,528
The day may come,
1790
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:49,874
and we've always known that,
1791
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:52,700
but,
1792
01:23:52,793 --> 01:23:54,066
that's the one thing I don't want
1793
01:23:54,086 --> 01:23:56,297
my Mom and Dad to have to go through is,
1794
01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:57,757
his execution.
1795
01:24:12,730 --> 01:24:13,930
The end of every story,
1796
01:24:14,023 --> 01:24:14,940
the one that gets to tell the story
1797
01:24:15,066 --> 01:24:16,400
is usually the victor,
1798
01:24:16,525 --> 01:24:18,110
and in any case right now,
1799
01:24:18,235 --> 01:24:19,695
it seems like the only victor
1800
01:24:19,862 --> 01:24:21,364
is still the murderers,
1801
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:24,054
so it almost feels like
they're the only ones that are
1802
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,703
getting their stories told
and their intimate details,
1803
01:24:27,828 --> 01:24:30,331
not this amazing man that they...
1804
01:24:30,956 --> 01:24:32,625
that they ended his life.
1805
01:24:35,503 --> 01:24:38,339
But I think the Gordon Ray Church story
1806
01:24:38,464 --> 01:24:39,757
will help,
1807
01:24:39,882 --> 01:24:42,025
because we can look back
thirty years and say,
1808
01:24:42,385 --> 01:24:46,931
My God, I cannot believe
that happened in southern Utah.
1809
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:50,893
I think the Gordon Church case
1810
01:24:51,018 --> 01:24:52,269
is one of those cases
1811
01:24:52,395 --> 01:24:53,959
that kind of shocked
the people's conscience,
1812
01:24:53,979 --> 01:24:55,898
and probably moved us forward and said,
1813
01:24:56,065 --> 01:24:57,400
it's time for a change.
1814
01:24:57,566 --> 01:24:59,507
And I think SB103 is gonna
go down in history
1815
01:24:59,527 --> 01:25:02,822
as one of the defining
moments in Utah's history,
1816
01:25:02,947 --> 01:25:04,662
as far as making the right decisions
1817
01:25:04,782 --> 01:25:06,068
and doing the right things.
1818
01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:09,537
You had me at SB103.
1819
01:25:11,205 --> 01:25:12,645
Thank you very much for your work.
1820
01:25:12,665 --> 01:25:14,021
I know this hasn't been easy,
1821
01:25:14,041 --> 01:25:16,293
but I'm very supportive.
1822
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,048
After a long fight,
on April second of this year,
1823
01:25:21,173 --> 01:25:23,008
SB103 was finally passed into law,
1824
01:25:23,134 --> 01:25:26,053
and we have hate crimes
legislation in Utah now.
1825
01:25:34,103 --> 01:25:36,021
It was shocking, the fact that we got
1826
01:25:36,605 --> 01:25:39,734
a veto-proof margin
in the House of Representatives,
1827
01:25:39,859 --> 01:25:41,059
to support this,
1828
01:25:41,152 --> 01:25:43,028
which tells me that Utah has realized
1829
01:25:43,154 --> 01:25:46,907
that the time had come
to have a law that works.
1830
01:25:47,783 --> 01:25:49,212
And I think it may save lives.
1831
01:25:49,535 --> 01:25:52,872
I do believe that by having
a law like this on the books
1832
01:25:52,997 --> 01:25:54,915
is gonna send a message to people that
1833
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,731
we're a civil society and a civil state,
1834
01:25:56,751 --> 01:26:00,171
and people can't get away with
these kind of crimes in Utah.
1835
01:26:02,423 --> 01:26:04,300
You have to love your kids,
1836
01:26:04,425 --> 01:26:05,426
no matter what.
1837
01:26:05,551 --> 01:26:07,551
You can't just love them
when they're good.
1838
01:26:07,636 --> 01:26:09,684
You have to love them
when they're bad, too.
1839
01:26:10,473 --> 01:26:11,954
That's all there is to it, I mean,
1840
01:26:11,974 --> 01:26:13,267
that's how it is.
1841
01:26:20,357 --> 01:26:21,964
I think I've learned from my parents
1842
01:26:21,984 --> 01:26:23,444
about unconditional love.
1843
01:26:24,361 --> 01:26:26,447
Never have they quit loving Michael.
1844
01:26:26,947 --> 01:26:28,240
Never has my mom,
1845
01:26:28,741 --> 01:26:30,451
never have we denied him,
1846
01:26:31,076 --> 01:26:33,287
never have we quit caring about him.
1847
01:26:33,829 --> 01:26:35,039
Never have we not
1848
01:26:35,164 --> 01:26:36,879
considered him a part of our family.
1849
01:26:37,666 --> 01:26:38,876
And so if anything,
1850
01:26:39,001 --> 01:26:41,045
I have learned that from my parents,
1851
01:26:41,170 --> 01:26:43,881
that if you really love someone,
you love someone.
1852
01:26:52,807 --> 01:26:54,016
I would hope that
1853
01:26:54,183 --> 01:26:56,018
from this case,
1854
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,104
people would be more understanding
1855
01:26:59,230 --> 01:27:00,940
of their own children,
1856
01:27:01,565 --> 01:27:03,567
of their neighbors.
1857
01:27:04,944 --> 01:27:06,144
We're all different.
1858
01:27:06,612 --> 01:27:08,697
And because someone is black,
1859
01:27:08,864 --> 01:27:10,866
or bald, or short
1860
01:27:11,033 --> 01:27:12,910
or has a speech impediment,
1861
01:27:13,702 --> 01:27:14,995
or is gay,
1862
01:27:16,413 --> 01:27:19,458
is not license to treat them
with anything but
1863
01:27:19,834 --> 01:27:21,252
respect and love.
1864
01:27:25,631 --> 01:27:27,383
Gordon should be remembered,
1865
01:27:27,550 --> 01:27:31,011
because of all the young kids
that are in this world right now
1866
01:27:31,136 --> 01:27:33,764
that are dealing with being gay,
1867
01:27:33,889 --> 01:27:37,226
and not have had the opportunity
to tell their parents.
1868
01:27:37,351 --> 01:27:39,812
That's a good thing,
because it allows people
1869
01:27:39,937 --> 01:27:41,438
to be who they are,
1870
01:27:42,273 --> 01:27:44,191
and not have to hide in the shadows.
1871
01:27:47,903 --> 01:27:50,197
If you could say anything to Gordon now,
1872
01:27:50,781 --> 01:27:51,991
what would you say?
1873
01:27:57,955 --> 01:28:00,791
I just I don't have any words.
I...
1874
01:28:01,542 --> 01:28:04,211
I don't know, just how sorry I am, and...
1875
01:28:05,129 --> 01:28:07,464
how the hell I wish somebody had
1876
01:28:08,924 --> 01:28:11,010
been able to protect him at the time.
1877
01:28:13,137 --> 01:28:14,337
How'd we do?
1878
01:28:15,598 --> 01:28:17,224
Did we get it right?
1879
01:28:17,933 --> 01:28:19,268
Did we get it right for you,
1880
01:28:19,393 --> 01:28:21,896
did we represent you as well as we could?
1881
01:28:24,231 --> 01:28:26,942
Everyone who's
been involved in this case,
1882
01:28:27,067 --> 01:28:29,153
we did our very best,
1883
01:28:39,204 --> 01:28:41,916
I know he's in a better place.
Enjoy.
1884
01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:46,410
I would...
1885
01:28:47,463 --> 01:28:49,632
He's so tiny, I'd pick him up.
1886
01:28:51,467 --> 01:28:53,677
And give him a nice big squeeze.
1887
01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:58,057
He didn't deserve to die.
1888
01:28:58,933 --> 01:29:00,351
I've got a gay grandson,
1889
01:29:00,476 --> 01:29:02,625
and I mean, I wouldn't
want anyone to do that to him
1890
01:29:02,645 --> 01:29:03,845
for that reason.
1891
01:29:04,688 --> 01:29:06,607
It just breaks my heart that
1892
01:29:06,732 --> 01:29:07,983
somebody I know and love
1893
01:29:08,150 --> 01:29:11,070
has been involved in hurting
someone so much,
1894
01:29:11,654 --> 01:29:13,948
and wish I could change it,
and I just can't.
1895
01:29:14,949 --> 01:29:15,991
I'm so sorry.
1896
01:29:16,158 --> 01:29:17,701
Oh, so sorry.
1897
01:29:23,999 --> 01:29:26,877
I'd really like
the image of you being hurt,
1898
01:29:27,336 --> 01:29:29,546
to go away, I don't want you to hurt.
1899
01:29:29,672 --> 01:29:32,091
I'd want you to go back
to that same moment,
1900
01:29:32,216 --> 01:29:33,864
from where we're looking out the window,
1901
01:29:33,884 --> 01:29:35,636
and you see the stars so clear.
1902
01:29:40,391 --> 01:29:43,477
I just want to hold
each other and, you know?
1903
01:29:43,602 --> 01:29:45,459
One of the biggest things
anybody wants to hear
1904
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,356
is that things are just gonna be okay.
1905
01:29:47,940 --> 01:29:51,026
And when I hear that voice,
it's ever so soft in my head,
1906
01:29:51,151 --> 01:29:52,778
and I know a lot of times,
1907
01:29:54,029 --> 01:29:57,241
he's one of the voices
that says, it's gonna be okay.
1908
01:29:59,118 --> 01:30:00,318
And,
1909
01:30:01,704 --> 01:30:04,248
I would want to tell him
it's gonna be okay.140099
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.