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Welcome back to
The Traitors: Uncloaked,
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the official visualised podcast
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hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
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You know by now, super fans,
this is your spoiler warning.
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If you haven't caught up
with episode 11,
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then go and do that right now
on BBC iPlayer.
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And I cannot believe
I get to do this again,
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two nights on the trot.
KLAXON
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Yes, the Faithful have caught
another Traitor,
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with Freddie named by everyone else
at the Round Table,
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and Francesca winning the
extraordinary power of the Seer.
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Coming up, Freddie will be here
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to discuss Charlotte's
treacherous double crossing.
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We're joined by Wilf
from series one
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and Diane and Harry from series two
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to talk final game strategy for both
the Traitors and the Faithful.
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Plus, Rose Matafeo will be here
to dissect all the drama
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ahead of the final!
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Welcome back, Wilf, Harry, Diane,
and welcome, Rose Matafeo,
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for the first time.
Thank you for joining me
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for the last episode of Uncloaked
before the grand finale. Aw! Aw!
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What an episode it was, though.
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Ooh! Deception... Oh, my...!
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THEY LAUGH
No!
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This is the energy.
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This is the energy we need.
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I'm sad about it, to be fair!
You're sad?
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I'm sad! Oh, come on.
No more to watch, he means.
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Yeah. Sad - sad about the fact
there's only one more episode left,
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but what an episode this was.
We've got loads to discuss.
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We've got the final mission
of the series,
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where the clowns
and the dolls returned.
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Not a phrase I thought I'd be saying
at the start of the series,
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to be honest. We've got Freddie's
massive lie that became his undoing
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and how the power of the Seer
might change everything
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for our remaining players.
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So that's where we left it.
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So let's start there on Uncloaked
with the cliff-hanger
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of all cliff-hangers -
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when Frankie decides to use her
Seer power on Charlotte.
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Players...
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The Seer has made their decision.
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The person they want to invite
to their private meeting is...
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"Charlotte.
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Ooh.
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Well, that couldn't have gone much
worse for Charlotte, I don't think.
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Not at all. Not at all!
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You can see that smile.
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She's preparing herself
for the worst-case scenario,
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and this is the worst-case scenario.
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I mean, it's obviously going
to change the game massively.
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I did not expect Frankie to do this.
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Well, she said as much.
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She said she wants to confirm
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that she's a Faithful, right?
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So I don't know if she's going
into this with any suspicion
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of Charlotte or not.
I don't think she is.
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I think for the first time,
she's got it so wrong
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that she's got it right.
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I think that's the case!
Right? Yeah.
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It's an interesting use
of the power, isn't it?
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Because you would have thought
that power should be used
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to find someone who you think
is a Traitor.
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What Frankie is doing is trying
to double-check
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that she knows who at least one of
the Faithfuls is
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going into that final game -
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which is smart, but she's
accidentally found a Traitor.
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Yeah. I mean, what do we think
is going to happen? Any idea?
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Because, obviously, we know
that Charlotte now has to reveal
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to Frankie that she is a Traitor.
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After that... This is Charlotte now
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in the end of an episode of
Breaking Bad, where it feels...
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Yeah. It feels like
there's no way out.
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Is there any room for Charlotte
to go, "No, I didn't,
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"I said I was a Faithful"?
Yeah, of course.
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I think Charlotte needs to spin
the book. Like, spin the page,
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or whatever the saying.
Turn the tables?
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Turn the tables.
Thanks for the help!
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No, sorry, guys. Spin the book.
Yeah, spin the book.
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Spin the book and see what page
you land on.
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How do you think Charlotte's feeling
now, Harry, in this situation?
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How would you be feeling?
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I'd be so, like, demoralised,
because I've worked so hard -
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and also, she thought...
Like, she did an amazing job
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with stitching up Freddie, as well,
and backstabbing him. Yeah.
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So she thought she was in the final
and she was sort of plain sailing,
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but now this whole Seer
twist has let her down.
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But, again, nothing
would be stopping me.
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I would be, like, trying
to play her at her own game.
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Like, people think it's you because
of this - and maybe I'd say to her,
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like, "Just let me win
and I'll give you some money."
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Charlotte has been
particularly unlucky,
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because she went in with a -
well, a false Welsh accent.
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Elen was Welsh.
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Now she thinks she's got it,
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and the Seer had the other four,
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however many were left, to call up,
and they've called up Charlotte.
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I couldn't believe it.
It's been quite unlucky, really,
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for Charlotte, to be fair. Really
unlucky, and I think Harry's right.
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She's done this amazing move
on Freddie,
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that we'll talk more about later -
and that should be it.
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That should be the cherry
on the cake.
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That should be her romping home.
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That's The Traitors, unpredictable.
Yeah. The whole way through.
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My only other thought was,
could Charlotte go in there,
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say, "|'m a Traitor,"
because she has to,
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also say, "And I'm not Welsh,"
and speak in her real voice? Yeah.
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So when they both come out of there
and Frankie says, "She's a Traitor.
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"Also, she's not Welsh,"
Charlotte could go,
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"Well, she's... She's gone mad."
THEY LAUGH
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"What are you talking about?" Yeah.
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Just in her Welsh accent again.
That's a great tactic.
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How do we think Frankie is going to
take Charlotte's revelation, Rose?
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I think if Charlotte asked nicely
and be like, "Can you not tell?"
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Frankie would do it.
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Frankie would be like, "Really?"
Like, she just wouldn't tell.
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Because... Do you think? Well,
she's in a... No, of course not.
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That'd be insane!
What are you talking about?
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I was looking at you like, "What are
you..." What are you talking about?!
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Have we watched the same series?!
Are you kidding?
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But then I do think, you know...
I mean, I think...
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I honestly think Francesca might cry
when Charlotte tells her that...
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Yeah, of course she will!
..she's a Traitor!
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That she's a Traitor, because she'll
be so stressed out...
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But I don't think...
I think Charlotte, she's...
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She's already been showing so many
signs of cracking.
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Like, the entire time
through that Round Table,
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being asked to be, to be called
in to see the Seer, she's smiling.
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She's like, the whole time,
she's like...
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But I thought that was an amazing
reaction, to smile,
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because I would burst into tears
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and throw myself through the window,
I think.
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Do you know what?
Francesca's clone...
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...been wrong so many times,
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is there a way she can fumble this?
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Like, does anyone think there's
a way she can, like, mess it up?
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I don't know.
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She can't, really. just go in there
and say, "Yeah, she's a Traitor."
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No, but don't forget
she got the Minah thing
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when they were doing that
chess game...
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Yeah. ..as the voice that was least
relevant or whatever. She got that
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and she also got what Minah
was doing.
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She was instrumental in that, yeah.
She's coming into her own, maybe.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean,
I adored her at the beginning
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and thought, "Oh, my God,"
you know, great, strong woman.
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Then she was very quiet,
then she cried a lot,
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but I think she's coming into
her own now. Well, definitely.
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She just got the Seer position,
you know?
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So, understandably,
everyone was desperate
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to win the Seer power
in the mission,
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which came down to who banked the
most gold individually.
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Let's look at how they approached
the first task
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when they had to memorise
which clowns had gold.
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Are we, are we aiming...
Looking at the coins or the skulls?
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Because there's two ways, OK?
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Jake made a really great suggestion
that we focus on the five skulls,
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not the ten ones who've got money,
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so we only have to look at
five of them.
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OK. Players, my clowns
are impatient.
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They've got something really special
to show you.
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Right. I've got a skull at the back.
I've got this one down there.
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I've got the next one.
I've got that one.
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I've got the one by the tree.
I've got the first on the bottom.
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That's some top-level play
from Jake, isn't it?
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I hadn't thought of that
as an option.
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I mean, I think he's shown himself
to be quite the leader.
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Amazing. His game play the whole way
through has just been top-notch,
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definitely, as a Faithful.
I'm not sure about that.
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I don't think it's been top-notch.
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No. He mentioned Linda
and then didn't go for her.
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I know, but then you need...
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The thing is,
it's all about strategy.
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If you go for someone...
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Like, if he went for Linda
straight away at the start
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and didn't get enough people
on his side,
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Linda could have just turned
around and murdered him.
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Because if I was a Traitor
and he said it was me at the start,
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but no-one else voted for me,
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I would have got rid
of him straight away.
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What do we think about the dolls
making a return? Enjoyed it?
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I mean, this was obviously
a game of risk.
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You pull it as many times
as you have the cojones for
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and hope that they don't call you
greedy and you lose all the money.
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How would you have been at this,
Rose?
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Terrible.
I would have been terrible.
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I would have ended the game
before I pulled the string.
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I'm so terrified of risk,
I would have, I would have hated it.
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I think, after watching this series,
I would've thought,
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"I would have been good
on The Traitors."
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This series, I'm like,
"I would have sucked so hard."
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I would've... I would've been
stressed out this entire time.
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As a Faithful or a Traitor?
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Uh, both. Yeah. Both.
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I want no part of it.
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Can I just say that? I want no part
of any future series.
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If you're considering it...
I don't know, honestly.
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I don't know.
Celebrity Traitors coming up, Rose.
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I'm actually still...
I'm on the table again.
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My name's on the table.
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I am fully...
I'm fully into it. Yeah.
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I think the most fascinating part
of this mission for me was Alexander
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choosing to give Frankie
all of his coins
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in that final mission.
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But that's sensible thinking.
He wasn't going to win anyway,
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so he was trying to just cement
the fact he was a Faithful.
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Yeah. And obviously he trusts
Frankie, so go for it.
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And his whole play was, "|'m going
to help you win, Frankie." Yeah.
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"And then you pick me to ask me
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"whether I'm a Faithful or a Traitor
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"and I can prove to you once
and for all that I'm a Faithful."
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Then she went and picked Charlotte.
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I've got to say, though,
I love him so much.
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I've just got to say. He's the best.
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It feels like you're slightly gutted
that he wasn't out on this episode,
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so you could have met him.
Kind of, to be honest.
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I was like... Yeah.
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I've never seen somebody who's
such a good Faithful
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be seen as a Traitor all the time.
Yeah. Like, I've never seen it.
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Ahem! OK. OK. But...
Do you need some water, Diane?
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Do you want some fizzy rose, Diane?
LAUGHS
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Please!
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We should talk about
Charlotte's game play.
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We should talk about
the Shield game play.
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Oh, yeah. Telling Freddie that
they're going to murder Leanne,
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knowing full well
she's got the Shield.
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Leanne walks into breakfast.
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Freddie just looked like he wanted
to go home at that point.
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He was so baffled and so confused.
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Knew that he'd been thrown
under the bus.
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What do we think about that
as a piece of play, Harry?
231
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Because obviously, in the previous
series, your Shield game play...
232
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Yeah. ..was something that carried
you through.
233
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Charlotte's clone the right move.
I said, as we was watching it,
234
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I would've clone the same thing -
but I think she should've twisted it
235
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in a way that she would've
told Freddie
236
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that she knew Leanne had the Shield,
237
00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,935
but she should've tried to lie
to Freddie in the Turret,
238
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saying, you know, like, if it was me
personally, I would've been like,
239
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"Freddie, I know Leanne's
got the Shield,
240
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"but I think we should still murder
her to cover up the fact that, like,
241
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"she's then tried pinning it
on herself."
242
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Would Freddie have gone for that?
243
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Because he was one of the ones
who didn't know about the Shield.
244
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I don't know - but that's the risk
you've got to take,
245
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I think, as a Traitor. Yeah.
246
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At one point, I did think,
247
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"Freddie's going to do something
amazing here,"
248
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because when it all happens
and he says,
249
00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,415
"Oh, she's double crossed me,
she's thrown me under the bus.
250
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"Well, she'd better watch out,
cos I'm coming for her." Hmm.
251
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And then the lie, the lie he told...
He told Minah, yeah.
252
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...when he said, "I knew...
I knew about the Shield.
253
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"I think, I think I did."
"Who told you?"
254
00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,375
"Minah." "A ghost?"
255
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Minah wasn't even there!
256
00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,335
He's like, "Minah...?"
257
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I felt for him so much that...
ROSE: I know.
258
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He was just out of his depth
and said the first thing... Yeah.
259
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That came into his head.
ROSE: Yeah. Who wouldn't be?
260
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He's made a Traitor, like, a few
hours before. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
261
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And what he should have said in
that, I was screaming at the telly
262
00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,015
when someone said,
"Who told you about the Shield?"
263
00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,015
He should have said, "Charlotte."
Charlotte, yeah. Mm-hm.
264
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Immediately. just thrown that hand
grenade straight back up there
265
00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,375
and seen how she dealt with it,
but instead he said Minah. Yeah.
266
00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,215
So, obviously, Charlotte
is really rolling
267
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with what's happening to her,
268
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,015
so, you know, these things
are being thrown up.
269
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,895
Minah's going, she gets Freddie,
she does all of this.
270
00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,695
How much of the game is instinct
versus calculation, Wilf?
271
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What we've seen
is when she became a Traitor,
272
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she really came into herself
and really found the role.
273
00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,215
I think as a Faithful,
she was up and down at times,
274
00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,855
especially at the beginning,
but all of a sudden,
275
00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,015
as soon as she put that cloak on,
she took a different role.
276
00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,135
She was like, "|'m going for Minah.
I'm going to get out Minah."
277
00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,495
She knew that she was going to get
Freddie and get him out.
278
00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,495
She fully immersed the
backstabbing Traitor role,
279
00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,055
and I don't think
it's by accident at all.
280
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,855
I think she's collected,
281
00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,855
she knows exactly
what she's going to do.
282
00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,335
I think we didn't give her props
283
00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,895
for how intelligent she was
at the beginning, I think.
284
00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,655
She was just quiet,
she was just... Quiet, yeah.
285
00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,375
Yeah. With a false Welsh accent.
Yeah, yeah.
286
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,335
Yeah! But now...
287
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,575
No wonder she was quiet.
288
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,535
Yeah. She's scared -
she's scared to talk,
289
00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,655
in case she messes it up!
THEY LAUGH
290
00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,735
But, yeah, we've just seen her
come into her element,
291
00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,455
play the game really well,
292
00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,135
and she's by far the best recruited
Traitor there's been,
293
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I think... 100%.
..from what I've seen, anyway.
294
00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,975
What about Ross?
295
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,015
THEY LAUGH
296
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,935
Sorry, Ross. I love you.
297
00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,095
Ross shares a record
with Freddie for a Traitor
298
00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,535
who didn't murder anyone.
THEY LAUGH
299
00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,775
So, Charlotte's expert treachery
led to Freddie's banishment
300
00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,975
at the Round Table.
301
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,975
He's going to be joining us
shortly in the studio,
302
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,535
so let's remind ourselves
of his final moments in the castle.
303
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Freddie, you have received
the most votes,
304
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and you are banished
from the castle.
305
00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,135
Before you leave us forever,
please reveal,
306
00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,335
are you a Faithful or are
you a Traitor?
307
00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,775
It has been the honour of my
life playing this game.
308
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,575
I think you're all an amazing
bunch of people.
309
00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,855
I love you, Leanne.
Ancl I love you, Frankie, so much.
310
00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,375
I am...
311
00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,415
--EI---
312
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...Traitor.
LEANNE SHRIEKS
313
00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,695
TRIUMPHANT SHOUTING
314
00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,095
Go, go, go, 9°, group-
315
00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,975
Oh, my...!
316
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,175
And he's here with us now.
317
00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,135
Please welcome Freddie!
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
318
00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,055
Welcome to Uncloaked, Freddie.
319
00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,695
Thank you so much for joining us.
320
00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,415
That's all right.
Thank you for having me.
321
00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,215
What was it like standing up there,
having to say you're a Traitor,
322
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,975
knowing that 24 hours beforehand
you were a Faithful?
323
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,575
It was actually the worst thing,
324
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,935
cos since the start,
everyone thought I was a Traitor,
325
00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,535
like, going through the whole
entire thing,
326
00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,815
and I thought I wanted that one
moment to be, say I was a Faithful,
327
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,295
but obviously...
To rub it in their faces, almost.
328
00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,975
Exactly. Like, you've been wrong
the whole entire time.
329
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,495
In that moment when you said,
"I love you, Leanne,
330
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,815
"I love you, Frankie,"
331
00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,535
was that a genuine thing
or was it an attempt to maybe...
332
00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,775
No, it was honestly...
..push something onto Charlotte?
333
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,655
It was the first thing that
I thought of, because I thought,
334
00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:49,895
"I've grown closest with these two."
335
00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,295
Frankie was like my mum in there...
Yeah.
336
00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,735
...and then Leanne was like
my best friend.
337
00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,855
Hmm. But then, when you say it
like that, it kind of does look
338
00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,255
like I've just singled out
Charlotte and left it like that.
339
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,975
It would have been amazing
if you'd also said,
340
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,655
"I love you, Alexander,
I love you, Jake."
341
00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,295
THEY LAUGH
Yeah. I might've gave it away
342
00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,375
a little bit! And then just
looked at Charlotte and gone,
343
00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,175
"Hmm." Enjoy.
THEY LAUGH
344
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,295
Now, at the start
of the Round Table,
345
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,495
Claudia asked you to all
look at each other
346
00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,375
and say, "I am Faithful."
347
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,975
How did that feel?
348
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,295
I thought, "You've really picked
your moment to do this now,"
349
00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,375
because any other time
I'd have been happy looking
350
00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,535
at everyone being like that,
351
00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,455
but then, obviously, because
I was a Traitor, I was like,
352
00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,455
"For God's sake!"
I was like, "No, please." Yeah.
353
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,255
Ancl then obviously the mission
before that as well,
354
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,855
I've just been,
the whole entire clay
355
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,455
was just trying to defend myself,
but it was just dreadful.
356
00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,575
Right from the breakfast as well,
it was, it was you,
357
00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,375
it was doing the piece
to camera and saying,
358
00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,655
"And now I've got to go
into breakfast
359
00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,015
"and I'm really bad at lying."
360
00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,775
And I was like,
"This is not going to go well."
361
00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,695
It didn't go well at all!
It didn't go well.
362
00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,215
I mean, I do want to talk
about this particular moment
363
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,615
because I think we're all obsessed
with this moment
364
00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,175
that you decided to say that someone
had told you
365
00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,655
that Leanne had a Shield.
366
00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,815
Well, because I was
just panicking straight away.
367
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,735
We saw.
THEY LAUGH
368
00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,415
I was completely, like, taken aback.
369
00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,935
I'm quite naive. I thought,
"Oh, Charlotte will be nice to me.
370
00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,215
"We'll be friends. Whatever."
371
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,015
I walk in there
and then I thinkjake goes,
372
00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,415
"Oh, Leanne has a Shield"
and then I then, she was like,
373
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,935
"Oh, me, Charlotte
and Frankie knew,"
374
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,815
and I was like, I just looked
at her and I thought,
375
00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,815
"You, aw, I cannot believe that,"
376
00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,695
and then it just, oh, it
just all capsized from there.
377
00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,255
Ancl I kind of knew
from that minute on I was like,
378
00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,695
"Well, OK, just banish me now."
379
00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,735
Then at the Round Table,
doubling down on that lie
380
00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,975
and saying that Minah
had told you after the Round Table
381
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,815
that Minah had been banished at.
382
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,575
I was crumbling.
383
00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,735
Yeah. I think you'd already,
you already knew.
384
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,895
I kind of already thought,
like, "|t's me." Yep.
385
00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,615
Just, "|t's my time to go.
I'm gone."
386
00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,615
Let's take another look
at that moment.
387
00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,135
What do you mean? Whoa, does that
mean someone tried to murder you?
388
00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,855
What it means is either
Alexander or Freddie
389
00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,175
has tried to murder me.
390
00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,615
Well, it wasn't me.
391
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,255
Alexander, anything?
392
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,695
Obviously not me.
393
00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,095
Obviously I will say that,
either way.
394
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,775
That does kind of put
you two right in it.
395
00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,975
Ain't going to lie.
396
00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,135
Did you know she had a Shield?
397
00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,855
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
398
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,535
Right, OK. Oh, my God.
399
00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,535
Yeah, Minah told me
that you had a Shield.
400
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,255
Minah didn't know.
401
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,215
Oh, mate.
402
00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,775
Oh, mate. I'm...
403
00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,055
I feel so bad laughing,
cos he's right here. Yeah.
404
00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,695
But... It's devastating.
405
00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,135
It is devastating, that moment.
406
00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,215
I don't actually know why
that came out of my...
407
00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,255
Cos I think straight after
that clip, Alexander was like,
408
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,495
"Actually, someone who has
a Shield could have framed us"
409
00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,935
and I thought,
"You're a smart man, aren't you?"
410
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,455
I just thought, and then
because I said it, I thought,
411
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,615
"I've got to go with my lie now."
412
00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,735
But he's not been through everything
you had to go through.
413
00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,535
Yeah, exactly, I'm like... From
being a Faithful and being suspected
414
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,175
for the majority of the game
so far, and then being,
415
00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,415
"Right. At least I get to make it
to the end as a Faithful
416
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,255
"and everyone will know,"
to being recruited
417
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,255
and you just looked so downhearted
when you were recruited,
418
00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,015
just went, "I don't want
to be a Traitor."
419
00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,655
Did you genuinely believe that,
420
00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,215
like, because you just said
that Charlotte was going
421
00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,375
to be really nice?
422
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,335
Like, did you believe that she was
in the game to keep you in the game?
423
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,735
I don't... I'm quite naive.
424
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,255
I was just like, I just thought,
"Oh, like, maybe,
425
00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,495
because in my thought, I thought,
426
00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,095
"Me and you could maybe
win this together."
427
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,695
I'm quite, like,
I take people at face value.
428
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,735
I thought, "OK, she's saying
all the right things to me."
429
00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,975
Obviously, I know it's a Traitor,
430
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,815
so I know she's just completely
back stabbed Minah,
431
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,935
so, like, she probably
is going to back stab me.
432
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,255
So I kind of knew that, but
I just didn't think it would be
433
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,815
the moment I walked into breakfast.
434
00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,295
I thought she might start whispering
my name about a little bit... Yeah.
435
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,175
...and then be like,
"Let's get Freddie out."
436
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,095
Not, like, straight away.
I was like, "Wow. OK."
437
00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:11,495
Who was scarier for you,
the evil clowns, the haunted dolls
438
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,775
or the undead Leanne?
439
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,175
The undead Leanne.
440
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,695
As soon as I saw those, like,
blonde hair walk through the door,
441
00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,535
I thought, "Oh, my God,
there's no way.
442
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,335
"There's no way."
When you were asked, you know,
443
00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,055
who told you about the Shield,
444
00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,775
why did Charlotte's name
not come to you? I don't know!
445
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,975
I was panicking and I just
thought... I just panicked
446
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,815
and I just thought, Oh, my God...
You can understand why, though.
447
00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,135
I didn't want to, like... I don't
know, I should have called her out
448
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,095
and said Charlotte, cos then she
would have been like, "What?"
449
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,375
Ancl I'd be like,
"She's lying," but...
450
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,295
I think you go down in history,
for me, as a Faithful,
451
00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,815
because you didn't even
murder anyone. Thank you -
452
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,215
and I voted for Charlotte at the
end, as well. That was my little...
453
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,215
Yeah. I was going to say, did it
never cross your mind,
454
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,655
as soon as you saw it was Charlotte,
455
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,215
"OK, I need to
get rid of her instead,
456
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,935
"because she's going to
come for me"?
457
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,135
Yeah, but I think...
He didn't have time!
458
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,815
But, like, as soon as I...like,
I just don't know, like, in my mind,
459
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,455
if I had seen Charlotte, knowing
what she had done to everyone else,
460
00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,375
I would have known
that I was damned.
461
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,575
So I wouldn't have even believed her
462
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,495
when she was telling me
about Leanne, murder Leanne.
463
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,055
Like, I would have just been like,
"Hmm, you seem a bit dodgy,"
464
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,295
and then that whole night,
I would have just come up with a way
465
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,335
to get rid of Charlotte.
Yeah, I didn't even think of it -
466
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,775
but now, looking back on it, she
really did lead that Leanne charge.
467
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,775
Totally. I was like, "Oh, my God,
why did I not see that?"
468
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,095
She pitches it as if she's going
to subtly sort of, like,
469
00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,135
lead you towards Leanne, but she
basically tells you what to do.
470
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,215
She is good at it - and obviously,
I've not been a Traitor,
471
00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,335
so I was like, "Yeah, I'll do
whatever you want, Charlotte.
472
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,855
"I'll do whatever you want."
473
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,255
What about your relationship
with Charlotte throughout the game?
474
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,215
Because you said you were closest
to Frankie and Leanne.
475
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,895
Me and Charlotte did get along
really well,
476
00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,135
and, like, it was kind of after
the whole clique argument,
477
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,415
I kind of moved towards, like,
478
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,415
Frankie, Joe and Charlotte's
sort of like corner,
479
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,495
rather than the others.
480
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,175
So we became friends through that.
481
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,295
But then she did that to me!
482
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,615
Ancl now you find out
she's not actually Welsh.
483
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,775
Oh, my God!
What do you feel about that?
484
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,535
I was going to say, do you know
all the secrets
485
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,775
from, like, Leanne, as well?
486
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,975
Yeah. So I've found that out now,
but, like, it was just cra...
487
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,055
For example, with Leanne, like,
she's played it perfectly.
488
00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,975
Like, you go in as blonde,
you wear a pink blazer.
489
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,615
No-one's going to question
that you were a soldier.
490
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,935
It's really bad
with stereotypes like that,
491
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,055
but you just assume
that she's a nail tech -
492
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,535
and then, with Charlotte,
I just, like...
493
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,935
Why would I question
someone's accent?
494
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,575
I just don't see the point of it,
personally.
495
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,375
I was like, "Why would I ever, like,
question you're not from Wales?"
496
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,415
That doesn't make
you a Traitor or a Faithful.
497
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,415
A lot of people have said that,
but...
498
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,895
It's clearly worked for her!
..It's worked for her.
499
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,095
Whatever she's doing
is absolutely working for her.
500
00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,575
I think she was meant to be
a Traitor from the very beginning.
501
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,175
Mm. Like, I think she was kind of
born a Traitor,
502
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,735
and then she just lucked out
to be a Faithful, then...
503
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,495
So you mean from the beginning
of her LIFE?
504
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,775
From the beginning
of her entire life!
505
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,295
But I think it's such a real
advantage to gain people's trust,
506
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,775
as being a pure Faithful
for so long... Yeah. I agree.
507
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,255
...and then when you switch
to a Traitor, I think
508
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,735
you're at such an advantage.
509
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,535
So you learn both ways of acting.
510
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,615
Ancl then, obviously, she had longer
511
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,895
to know how to be
at the breakfast table,
512
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,575
and just act totally normal,
than you did -
513
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,855
and, like, yeah,
it's such a huge advantage.
514
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,255
So, I think she did well, and, um...
515
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,375
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
516
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,095
What was your take on her
when you saw her at the table?
517
00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,615
Well, I just, like... I respected
the craftsmanship of it.
518
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,255
I was like, "OK, this is
this is really respectable.
519
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,535
"You've played a great game here,"
but I just thought,
520
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,895
"I can't believe you did
that to me."
521
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,615
I thought we were friends
or whatever, but obviously
522
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,935
this is quite a cut-throat game.
523
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,295
Did you think about just chucking
a croissant at her or something?
524
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,655
I should have chucked
several croissants at her.
525
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,535
"Why has Freddie just chucked
a croissant at Charlotte?"
526
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,895
But my plan was to not, like,
argue with her at all
527
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,295
throughout the whole clay, so then
she thought she got away scot-free.
528
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,895
But I was always going to vote
for her at the end.
529
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,295
I'll just let her think
that I don't care, whatever,
530
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,695
but I thought, "I'll just vote
for you regardless of whatever..."
531
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,775
Because not all the Traitors vote
for Traitors that have, you know...
532
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,135
Exactly. ..stabbed in the back,
so to speak.
533
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,135
Yeah. Ancl because no-one
thought it was her, ever,
534
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,575
so I just thought, "Well,
I'll just vote for you." Yeah.
535
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,895
I think that was...
When you did that,
536
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,495
I was like, "Oh, that could be
problematic for Charlotte."
537
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,935
Little did I know, round the corner
was a way bigger problem to come.
538
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,895
What would you have done if you was
the Seer? Well, I think I won.
539
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,735
I think... Going back there, I think
I got quite a lot of money.
540
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,295
So, I thought I won.
If I was doing it, I would either...
541
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,535
Actually, after Charlotte's
thrown me under the bus,
542
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,655
I would have clone her as a Seer
and then told everyone
543
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,295
that she was a Traitor, probably,
544
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,695
and then just throw it back
in her face. I like that.
545
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,535
So you are a Traitor! Yeah.
546
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,135
All of this, "Oh, I'm a Faithful,
I hated having to be a Traitor..."
547
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,575
Mate, you love it.
You was going to betray her.
548
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,735
In hindsight, right,
if you didn't pick Leanne,
549
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,975
who would you have picked instead?
550
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,855
I would have probably murdered Jake,
551
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,935
just because he kind of thought
it was a boy.
552
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,375
He thought it was either me
or Alexander,
553
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,175
and he was leaning more towards me
every single time.
554
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,535
So I would have got rid ofjake.
555
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,135
Ancl if it made me looked suspicious,
I would have tried to run with it.
556
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,415
You would have kept your allies
in there as well. Yeah, exactly.
557
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,855
Inside the castle as well,
558
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,175
towards the end
for Charlotte's game play now,
559
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,495
was there any thought...
560
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,615
...because obviously there's been
women power the whole series,
561
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,975
because Jake pushing
the whole male narrative,
562
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,135
I think that's a good cover
for Charlotte, too,
563
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,215
because there's been three Traitors
that's been caught
564
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,535
and they're all women.
565
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,335
So did anyone think there could be
another woman in the Turret?
566
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,575
I think we all kind of
wrongly decided
567
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,695
that there had to be a boy in there,
568
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,615
which is so silly
when you look back on it,
569
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,575
but Jake kept going like, "Oh,
it has to be a boy, and it's not me,
570
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,455
"and it's one of you." And obviously
me and Alexander were like,
571
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,975
"|t's not us.
It must be one of you two."
572
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,455
So then we were fighting between
ourselves
573
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,135
when Charlotte's just getting
away scot-free.
574
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,375
But Alexander wasn't convinced
there would be a man.
575
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,375
Alexander was quite...
He thought no.
576
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,095
Ancl we should have probably thought,
577
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,135
like...if, say, they'd started
with three women, if they recruited,
578
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,895
they're probably going to recruit
another woman
579
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,095
just to keep that girl power.
580
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,255
But obviously you don't think
of that when you're in there.
581
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,575
I do like the boldness of Alexander
saying, "Well, it's not me,
582
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,255
"but I would say that either way."
583
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,135
Yeah. I see where you're
coming from. Yeah.
584
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,295
You liked that, didn't you, Rose?
I did.
585
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,135
I liked it.
586
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,175
So we're almost at the Traitors
series three final.
587
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,935
I am so excited.
588
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,975
I cannot wait to see what happens.
589
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,655
Uh, the Frankie Seer power.
590
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,895
This is a huge twist, it's massive,
591
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,935
and the outcome of the final
could all hang on this -
592
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,935
but I want to ask all of you, did
anyone notice this in episode nine?
593
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,615
Ooh! It's been there all along.
594
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,215
The Easter eggs were there.
595
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,135
Oh! I don't know what's
in that book.
596
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,895
I wonder if anyone had picked
that book up and read it,
597
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,695
they might have got the power
straight away!
598
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,135
Maybe if Yin was still in, cos she
read books. Yin didn't get a chance.
599
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,815
Yeah, well, Yin read the books.
600
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,855
That's why she went. Yeah.
601
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,815
But in addition, all the way back
in episode one,
602
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,055
Claudia told the players
about another twist.
603
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,535
Let's have a reminder.
604
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,055
Listen carefully.
605
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,095
Those who make it to the final
will no longer
606
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,935
reveal their true identities
607
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,695
as they leave.
608
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,415
Instead, you will need to rely
609
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,415
solely on your instincts
610
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,335
as to whether any Traitors
611
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,895
are left in the game.
612
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,055
Some classic Linda
faces at the end of that.
613
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,775
We talked about this a bit already,
614
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,895
but how do we think this is going
to affect the final game, Harry?
615
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,855
It's going to be so unpredictable
of what's going to happen, clearly,
616
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,775
because I haven't got a clue
what's going to go on.
617
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,855
When it was, like, my series
and series one, with Wilf,
618
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,815
you can sort of work out that there
must be one Traitor left,
619
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,415
or two Traitors left,
620
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,735
so once you get that Traitor
who stands up and says,
621
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,335
"|'m a Traitor,"
then you can sort of end the game.
622
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,375
Now there's no hope of knowing
who's who.
623
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,935
So I think if anyone's got a grudge
with anyone
624
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,495
or they have one slight feeling
that it's anyone,
625
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,855
they're just going to go for them
and re-vote again.
626
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,095
Rose, who do you think this twist
benefits the most?
627
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,655
Is it the Traitors or the Faithful?
628
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,815
I think it benefits the Traitor.
629
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,495
Yeah. I think so.
630
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,935
This group feels like
they go so off vibes.
631
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,855
So, if... Like, to be honest,
632
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,535
like, I feel like if they can
get Charlotte
633
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,575
and they've got this, like,
win of getting a Traitor,
634
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,255
I think they possibly could be
like... Then they don't know.
635
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,815
They won't know Charlotte's
a Traitor. Oh, that's so true.
636
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,735
This is the twist. Yeah. So this
is the maddest thing about the game.
637
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,695
Unless they're convinced by Frankie.
638
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,375
Yeah, but even if they
get rid of her,
639
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,095
they then don't know whether
Frankie's telling the truth.
640
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,335
Frankie should have just got another
Faithful in and said,
641
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,295
"Look, we're both Faithfuls.
We can't trust anyone else.
642
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,215
"Just get rid of all of them
and split it 50-50."
643
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,935
But she thinks Charlotte's
a Faithful.
644
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,935
Maybe that's what she was
trying to do. Yeah.
645
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,575
It's going to completely backfire.
646
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,135
And now she's just caught a Traitor.
647
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,375
Do you think, though,
before you left,
648
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,375
where was the balance going towards,
649
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,495
Charlotte or Frankie?
650
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,335
Um, I think people
would have voted out Frankie
651
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,055
before they voted out Charlotte.
Really?
652
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,495
Yeah. Like Charlotte's,
like, completely undetected. Wow.
653
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,055
Frankie's been quite quiet.
654
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,895
Why are they still...? Why...?
I don't know.
655
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,335
There was the whole thing,
656
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,095
it was, like, Leon versus Frankie
in one of the Round Tables.
657
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,455
It was either Frankie was going
to go or Leon was going to go,
658
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,415
and I think since then, they started
to have a bit of suspicion. OK.
659
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,055
She got a lot wrong, Frankie.
She's also not voted...
660
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,215
She hasn't voted out a Traitor. No.
She didn't vote out Linda.
661
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,295
She didn't vote out Armani. Will,
would you have liked this twist
662
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,775
to have been in your series?
663
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,775
Because I think at the time you said
it felt like a relief
664
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,615
to be able to reveal your status,
665
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,175
but do you think it might have been
quite fun to not do that?
666
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,295
No, not at all.
667
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,855
I think the weight
that lifts off your shoulders,
668
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,615
especially, like...
It was so weird, cos I lost,
669
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,895
but I felt like I'd won
at the same time.
670
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,975
I can't explain the feeling
that was there,
671
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,055
but, for me, being able to say that
and get it off your chest,
672
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,095
for these people to go on
and play the game and win,
673
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,575
because obviously I knew
I was the last Traitor.
674
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,375
They didn't know that, but I did,
and I was like, "Oh, my God,
675
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,415
"these guys can go and win now."
676
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,735
But imagine not being able to do
that and go, "Well, I've left it..."
677
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,935
You haven't left it
at the end of the story.
678
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,535
Did you feel a relief
at saying you were a Traitor?
679
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,495
The greatest Traitor in the world,
if I remember rightly!
680
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,495
That's, like, the trickiest
question ever,
681
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,575
because obviously if I was in there,
I would love this twist,
682
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,135
because it's, like,
as long as I get to the final,
683
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,375
no-one knows how many Traitors
there are.
684
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,255
So you need everyone
to trust you as a Traitor
685
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,095
this time round with the twist.
686
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,055
So, I'm not too sure, but I mean,
yeah, once I said I was a Traitor,
687
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,255
I obviously felt bad.
688
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,455
It was about two minutes later,
689
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,375
you're running around outside
screaming... Two minutes later...
690
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,975
..."|'m the greatest Traitor
in the world!"
691
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,095
With the gold coins. Yeah, I know.
692
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,695
Now, Freddie, we have to ask you,
whilst you're here on Uncloaked,
693
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,655
did you suggest the shower scenes?
694
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,055
LAUGHTER
695
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,375
I wasn't against the idea
of going in the shower.
696
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,335
It was like a 50-50 decision.
697
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,855
I said, "Yeah, sure,
I'll get in the shower."
698
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,335
It's really funny, because normally
it's people's hobbies.
699
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,255
Freddie, what was the reaction
of your friends and family
700
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,455
when they found out
that you were in the show?
701
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,255
They were pretty shocked,
to be fair.
702
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,855
So, I told people
when I went for three weeks,
703
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,215
because if I'm not on my phone,
my friends are going to be like,
704
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,935
"What is going on?", basically.
705
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,495
But I told my friends that I was
on an M|5 internship sort of thing,
706
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,295
because it's the only
other reason why...
707
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,015
Because it's the only reason
why I wouldn't be on my phone.
708
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,935
Because, like, if even if, like...
709
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,655
I can think of
so many other reasons!
710
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,215
Yes, exactly.
711
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,255
So the bad lie was there from
the start, you can see it.
712
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,135
That is so funny! Your phone
was broken, springs to mind.
713
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,975
"|'m there with Minah.
714
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,295
"I don't know. Who's Minah? What?"
715
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,815
Freddie, we are so sorry you missed
out on the final hurdle.
716
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,615
Delight having you, of course.
717
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,175
We're continuing over on BBC Sounds,
where we are doing a countdown
718
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,055
of the best moments of this series.
719
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,735
We're going to get the last bits
of intel on our remaining players
720
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,575
from banished
Faithful-turned-Traitor Freddie,
721
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,575
before we make our predictions
ahead of the final.
722
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,615
It's all in the bonus
episode of Uncloaked
723
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,895
in your BBC Sounds app
right now.
724
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,535
Just scan
the QR code below,
725
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,535
and while you're there,
you can subscribe
726
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,495
to never miss a moment
of Traitors chat,
727
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,615
including our bonus
with all the finalists
728
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,055
tomorrow night -
729
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,695
and if you think
you have what it takes
730
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,415
to gain people's trust and
then brutally double-cross them,
731
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,495
then head to...
732
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,615
...to apply for season four
of The Traitors.
733
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,135
A massive thanks to Rose, Wilf,
Diane, Harry and Freddie
734
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,735
for joining me, and thanks
to you for watching as well.
735
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,175
The Traitors finale is tomorrow,
earlier than normal, at 8:30pm,
736
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,455
and we'll be here joined
by the entire cast, plus Claudia,
737
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,375
with an extra-special Uncloaked
right after at 9:40pm,
738
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,055
also on BBC One and iPlayer.
739
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,015
I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.
740
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,055
APPLAUSE
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