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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,455 Welcome back to The Traitors: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,655 the official visualised podcast 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,455 hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,775 You know by now, super fans, this is your spoiler warning. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,015 If you haven't caught up with episode 11, 6 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:14,455 then go and do that right now on BBC iPlayer. 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,895 And I cannot believe I get to do this again, 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,895 two nights on the trot. KLAXON 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,895 Yes, the Faithful have caught another Traitor, 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,575 with Freddie named by everyone else at the Round Table, 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,655 and Francesca winning the extraordinary power of the Seer. 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,175 Coming up, Freddie will be here 13 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,935 to discuss Charlotte's treacherous double crossing. 14 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,975 We're joined by Wilf from series one 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,975 and Diane and Harry from series two 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,295 to talk final game strategy for both the Traitors and the Faithful. 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,415 Plus, Rose Matafeo will be here to dissect all the drama 18 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,895 ahead of the final! 19 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,775 Welcome back, Wilf, Harry, Diane, and welcome, Rose Matafeo, 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,535 for the first time. Thank you for joining me 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,495 for the last episode of Uncloaked before the grand finale. Aw! Aw! 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,135 What an episode it was, though. 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,055 Ooh! Deception... Oh, my...! 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,535 THEY LAUGH No! 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,415 This is the energy. 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,975 This is the energy we need. 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,615 I'm sad about it, to be fair! You're sad? 28 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,375 I'm sad! Oh, come on. No more to watch, he means. 29 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,415 Yeah. Sad - sad about the fact there's only one more episode left, 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,215 but what an episode this was. We've got loads to discuss. 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,295 We've got the final mission of the series, 32 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:26,375 where the clowns and the dolls returned. 33 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,535 Not a phrase I thought I'd be saying at the start of the series, 34 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,895 to be honest. We've got Freddie's massive lie that became his undoing 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,455 and how the power of the Seer might change everything 36 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,135 for our remaining players. 37 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,415 So that's where we left it. 38 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,255 So let's start there on Uncloaked with the cliff-hanger 39 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,655 of all cliff-hangers - 40 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,055 when Frankie decides to use her Seer power on Charlotte. 41 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,135 Players... 42 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,415 The Seer has made their decision. 43 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:04,215 The person they want to invite to their private meeting is... 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,895 "Charlotte. 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,335 Ooh. 46 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,695 Well, that couldn't have gone much worse for Charlotte, I don't think. 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,375 Not at all. Not at all! 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,855 You can see that smile. 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,615 She's preparing herself for the worst-case scenario, 50 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,575 and this is the worst-case scenario. 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,215 I mean, it's obviously going to change the game massively. 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,255 I did not expect Frankie to do this. 53 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,375 Well, she said as much. 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,455 She said she wants to confirm 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,735 that she's a Faithful, right? 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,215 So I don't know if she's going into this with any suspicion 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,815 of Charlotte or not. I don't think she is. 58 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,615 I think for the first time, she's got it so wrong 59 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,215 that she's got it right. 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,295 I think that's the case! Right? Yeah. 61 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,495 It's an interesting use of the power, isn't it? 62 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,695 Because you would have thought that power should be used 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,135 to find someone who you think is a Traitor. 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,495 What Frankie is doing is trying to double-check 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,895 that she knows who at least one of the Faithfuls is 66 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,335 going into that final game - 67 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,175 which is smart, but she's accidentally found a Traitor. 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,975 Yeah. I mean, what do we think is going to happen? Any idea? 69 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,095 Because, obviously, we know that Charlotte now has to reveal 70 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,695 to Frankie that she is a Traitor. 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,055 After that... This is Charlotte now 72 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,295 in the end of an episode of Breaking Bad, where it feels... 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,855 Yeah. It feels like there's no way out. 74 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,735 Is there any room for Charlotte to go, "No, I didn't, 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,295 "I said I was a Faithful"? Yeah, of course. 76 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,735 I think Charlotte needs to spin the book. Like, spin the page, 77 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,815 or whatever the saying. Turn the tables? 78 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,215 Turn the tables. Thanks for the help! 79 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,775 No, sorry, guys. Spin the book. Yeah, spin the book. 80 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,615 Spin the book and see what page you land on. 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,335 How do you think Charlotte's feeling now, Harry, in this situation? 82 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,655 How would you be feeling? 83 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,415 I'd be so, like, demoralised, because I've worked so hard - 84 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,495 and also, she thought... Like, she did an amazing job 85 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,095 with stitching up Freddie, as well, and backstabbing him. Yeah. 86 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,695 So she thought she was in the final and she was sort of plain sailing, 87 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,895 but now this whole Seer twist has let her down. 88 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,815 But, again, nothing would be stopping me. 89 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,535 I would be, like, trying to play her at her own game. 90 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,135 Like, people think it's you because of this - and maybe I'd say to her, 91 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,135 like, "Just let me win and I'll give you some money." 92 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,095 Charlotte has been particularly unlucky, 93 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,815 because she went in with a - well, a false Welsh accent. 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,255 Elen was Welsh. 95 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,695 Now she thinks she's got it, 96 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,055 and the Seer had the other four, 97 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,735 however many were left, to call up, and they've called up Charlotte. 98 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,775 I couldn't believe it. It's been quite unlucky, really, 99 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,255 for Charlotte, to be fair. Really unlucky, and I think Harry's right. 100 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,175 She's done this amazing move on Freddie, 101 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,735 that we'll talk more about later - and that should be it. 102 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,335 That should be the cherry on the cake. 103 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,775 That should be her romping home. 104 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,615 That's The Traitors, unpredictable. Yeah. The whole way through. 105 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,335 My only other thought was, could Charlotte go in there, 106 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,375 say, "|'m a Traitor," because she has to, 107 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,535 also say, "And I'm not Welsh," and speak in her real voice? Yeah. 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,175 So when they both come out of there and Frankie says, "She's a Traitor. 109 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,895 "Also, she's not Welsh," Charlotte could go, 110 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,375 "Well, she's... She's gone mad." THEY LAUGH 111 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,055 "What are you talking about?" Yeah. 112 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,055 Just in her Welsh accent again. That's a great tactic. 113 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,415 How do we think Frankie is going to take Charlotte's revelation, Rose? 114 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,135 I think if Charlotte asked nicely and be like, "Can you not tell?" 115 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,535 Frankie would do it. 116 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,215 Frankie would be like, "Really?" Like, she just wouldn't tell. 117 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,015 Because... Do you think? Well, she's in a... No, of course not. 118 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,495 That'd be insane! What are you talking about? 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,255 I was looking at you like, "What are you..." What are you talking about?! 120 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:19,775 Have we watched the same series?! Are you kidding? 121 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,215 But then I do think, you know... I mean, I think... 122 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,095 I honestly think Francesca might cry when Charlotte tells her that... 123 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,535 Yeah, of course she will! ..she's a Traitor! 124 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,815 That she's a Traitor, because she'll be so stressed out... 125 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,335 But I don't think... I think Charlotte, she's... 126 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,575 She's already been showing so many signs of cracking. 127 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,615 Like, the entire time through that Round Table, 128 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,895 being asked to be, to be called in to see the Seer, she's smiling. 129 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,815 She's like, the whole time, she's like... 130 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,135 But I thought that was an amazing reaction, to smile, 131 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,575 because I would burst into tears 132 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,575 and throw myself through the window, I think. 133 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,175 Do you know what? Francesca's clone... 134 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,695 ...been wrong so many times, 135 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,495 is there a way she can fumble this? 136 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,495 Like, does anyone think there's a way she can, like, mess it up? 137 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,735 I don't know. 138 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,135 She can't, really. just go in there and say, "Yeah, she's a Traitor." 139 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,015 No, but don't forget she got the Minah thing 140 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,655 when they were doing that chess game... 141 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,095 Yeah. ..as the voice that was least relevant or whatever. She got that 142 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,295 and she also got what Minah was doing. 143 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,335 She was instrumental in that, yeah. She's coming into her own, maybe. 144 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,935 Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, I adored her at the beginning 145 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,095 and thought, "Oh, my God," you know, great, strong woman. 146 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,935 Then she was very quiet, then she cried a lot, 147 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,615 but I think she's coming into her own now. Well, definitely. 148 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,175 She just got the Seer position, you know? 149 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,775 So, understandably, everyone was desperate 150 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,855 to win the Seer power in the mission, 151 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,855 which came down to who banked the most gold individually. 152 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,015 Let's look at how they approached the first task 153 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,535 when they had to memorise which clowns had gold. 154 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,655 Are we, are we aiming... Looking at the coins or the skulls? 155 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,815 Because there's two ways, OK? 156 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:45,895 Jake made a really great suggestion that we focus on the five skulls, 157 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,615 not the ten ones who've got money, 158 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,415 so we only have to look at five of them. 159 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,655 OK. Players, my clowns are impatient. 160 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,375 They've got something really special to show you. 161 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,695 Right. I've got a skull at the back. I've got this one down there. 162 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,655 I've got the next one. I've got that one. 163 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,055 I've got the one by the tree. I've got the first on the bottom. 164 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,055 That's some top-level play from Jake, isn't it? 165 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,135 I hadn't thought of that as an option. 166 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,295 I mean, I think he's shown himself to be quite the leader. 167 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,815 Amazing. His game play the whole way through has just been top-notch, 168 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,335 definitely, as a Faithful. I'm not sure about that. 169 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,775 I don't think it's been top-notch. 170 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,735 No. He mentioned Linda and then didn't go for her. 171 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,015 I know, but then you need... 172 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,535 The thing is, it's all about strategy. 173 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,735 If you go for someone... 174 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,895 Like, if he went for Linda straight away at the start 175 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,415 and didn't get enough people on his side, 176 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,255 Linda could have just turned around and murdered him. 177 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,175 Because if I was a Traitor and he said it was me at the start, 178 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,615 but no-one else voted for me, 179 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,615 I would have got rid of him straight away. 180 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,695 What do we think about the dolls making a return? Enjoyed it? 181 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,415 I mean, this was obviously a game of risk. 182 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,175 You pull it as many times as you have the cojones for 183 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,855 and hope that they don't call you greedy and you lose all the money. 184 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,815 How would you have been at this, Rose? 185 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,855 Terrible. I would have been terrible. 186 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,615 I would have ended the game before I pulled the string. 187 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,015 I'm so terrified of risk, I would have, I would have hated it. 188 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,735 I think, after watching this series, I would've thought, 189 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,695 "I would have been good on The Traitors." 190 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,255 This series, I'm like, "I would have sucked so hard." 191 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,055 I would've... I would've been stressed out this entire time. 192 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,575 As a Faithful or a Traitor? 193 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,415 Uh, both. Yeah. Both. 194 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,615 I want no part of it. 195 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,895 Can I just say that? I want no part of any future series. 196 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,415 If you're considering it... I don't know, honestly. 197 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,735 I don't know. Celebrity Traitors coming up, Rose. 198 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,935 I'm actually still... I'm on the table again. 199 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,695 My name's on the table. 200 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,735 I am fully... I'm fully into it. Yeah. 201 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,375 I think the most fascinating part of this mission for me was Alexander 202 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,775 choosing to give Frankie all of his coins 203 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,295 in that final mission. 204 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,975 But that's sensible thinking. He wasn't going to win anyway, 205 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,255 so he was trying to just cement the fact he was a Faithful. 206 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,735 Yeah. And obviously he trusts Frankie, so go for it. 207 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,735 And his whole play was, "|'m going to help you win, Frankie." Yeah. 208 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,495 "And then you pick me to ask me 209 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,575 "whether I'm a Faithful or a Traitor 210 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,855 "and I can prove to you once and for all that I'm a Faithful." 211 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,175 Then she went and picked Charlotte. 212 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,895 I've got to say, though, I love him so much. 213 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,415 I've just got to say. He's the best. 214 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,575 It feels like you're slightly gutted that he wasn't out on this episode, 215 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,455 so you could have met him. Kind of, to be honest. 216 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,055 I was like... Yeah. 217 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,535 I've never seen somebody who's such a good Faithful 218 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:17,615 be seen as a Traitor all the time. Yeah. Like, I've never seen it. 219 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,695 Ahem! OK. OK. But... Do you need some water, Diane? 220 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,455 Do you want some fizzy rose, Diane? LAUGHS 221 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,655 Please! 222 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:27,295 We should talk about Charlotte's game play. 223 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,135 We should talk about the Shield game play. 224 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,215 Oh, yeah. Telling Freddie that they're going to murder Leanne, 225 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,575 knowing full well she's got the Shield. 226 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,575 Leanne walks into breakfast. 227 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,735 Freddie just looked like he wanted to go home at that point. 228 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,215 He was so baffled and so confused. 229 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,175 Knew that he'd been thrown under the bus. 230 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,735 What do we think about that as a piece of play, Harry? 231 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,255 Because obviously, in the previous series, your Shield game play... 232 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,095 Yeah. ..was something that carried you through. 233 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,455 Charlotte's clone the right move. I said, as we was watching it, 234 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,735 I would've clone the same thing - but I think she should've twisted it 235 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,895 in a way that she would've told Freddie 236 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,055 that she knew Leanne had the Shield, 237 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,935 but she should've tried to lie to Freddie in the Turret, 238 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,335 saying, you know, like, if it was me personally, I would've been like, 239 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,015 "Freddie, I know Leanne's got the Shield, 240 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,135 "but I think we should still murder her to cover up the fact that, like, 241 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,175 "she's then tried pinning it on herself." 242 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,375 Would Freddie have gone for that? 243 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,295 Because he was one of the ones who didn't know about the Shield. 244 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,855 I don't know - but that's the risk you've got to take, 245 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,935 I think, as a Traitor. Yeah. 246 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,295 At one point, I did think, 247 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,815 "Freddie's going to do something amazing here," 248 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,895 because when it all happens and he says, 249 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,415 "Oh, she's double crossed me, she's thrown me under the bus. 250 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,935 "Well, she'd better watch out, cos I'm coming for her." Hmm. 251 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,615 And then the lie, the lie he told... He told Minah, yeah. 252 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,975 ...when he said, "I knew... I knew about the Shield. 253 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,015 "I think, I think I did." "Who told you?" 254 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,375 "Minah." "A ghost?" 255 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,215 Minah wasn't even there! 256 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,335 He's like, "Minah...?" 257 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,495 I felt for him so much that... ROSE: I know. 258 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,775 He was just out of his depth and said the first thing... Yeah. 259 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,415 That came into his head. ROSE: Yeah. Who wouldn't be? 260 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,815 He's made a Traitor, like, a few hours before. Yeah, totally. Yeah. 261 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,695 And what he should have said in that, I was screaming at the telly 262 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,015 when someone said, "Who told you about the Shield?" 263 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,015 He should have said, "Charlotte." Charlotte, yeah. Mm-hm. 264 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,255 Immediately. just thrown that hand grenade straight back up there 265 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,375 and seen how she dealt with it, but instead he said Minah. Yeah. 266 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,215 So, obviously, Charlotte is really rolling 267 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,575 with what's happening to her, 268 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,015 so, you know, these things are being thrown up. 269 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,895 Minah's going, she gets Freddie, she does all of this. 270 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,695 How much of the game is instinct versus calculation, Wilf? 271 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,935 What we've seen is when she became a Traitor, 272 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,855 she really came into herself and really found the role. 273 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,215 I think as a Faithful, she was up and down at times, 274 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,855 especially at the beginning, but all of a sudden, 275 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,015 as soon as she put that cloak on, she took a different role. 276 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,135 She was like, "|'m going for Minah. I'm going to get out Minah." 277 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,495 She knew that she was going to get Freddie and get him out. 278 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,495 She fully immersed the backstabbing Traitor role, 279 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,055 and I don't think it's by accident at all. 280 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,855 I think she's collected, 281 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,855 she knows exactly what she's going to do. 282 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,335 I think we didn't give her props 283 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,895 for how intelligent she was at the beginning, I think. 284 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,655 She was just quiet, she was just... Quiet, yeah. 285 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,375 Yeah. With a false Welsh accent. Yeah, yeah. 286 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,335 Yeah! But now... 287 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,575 No wonder she was quiet. 288 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,535 Yeah. She's scared - she's scared to talk, 289 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,655 in case she messes it up! THEY LAUGH 290 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,735 But, yeah, we've just seen her come into her element, 291 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,455 play the game really well, 292 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,135 and she's by far the best recruited Traitor there's been, 293 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,775 I think... 100%. ..from what I've seen, anyway. 294 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,975 What about Ross? 295 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,015 THEY LAUGH 296 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,935 Sorry, Ross. I love you. 297 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,095 Ross shares a record with Freddie for a Traitor 298 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,535 who didn't murder anyone. THEY LAUGH 299 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,775 So, Charlotte's expert treachery led to Freddie's banishment 300 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,975 at the Round Table. 301 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,975 He's going to be joining us shortly in the studio, 302 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,535 so let's remind ourselves of his final moments in the castle. 303 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,695 Freddie, you have received the most votes, 304 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,015 and you are banished from the castle. 305 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,135 Before you leave us forever, please reveal, 306 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,335 are you a Faithful or are you a Traitor? 307 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,775 It has been the honour of my life playing this game. 308 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,575 I think you're all an amazing bunch of people. 309 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,855 I love you, Leanne. Ancl I love you, Frankie, so much. 310 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,375 I am... 311 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,415 --EI--- 312 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,535 ...Traitor. LEANNE SHRIEKS 313 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,695 TRIUMPHANT SHOUTING 314 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,095 Go, go, go, 9°, group- 315 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,975 Oh, my...! 316 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,175 And he's here with us now. 317 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,135 Please welcome Freddie! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 318 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,055 Welcome to Uncloaked, Freddie. 319 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,695 Thank you so much for joining us. 320 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,415 That's all right. Thank you for having me. 321 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,215 What was it like standing up there, having to say you're a Traitor, 322 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,975 knowing that 24 hours beforehand you were a Faithful? 323 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,575 It was actually the worst thing, 324 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,935 cos since the start, everyone thought I was a Traitor, 325 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,535 like, going through the whole entire thing, 326 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,815 and I thought I wanted that one moment to be, say I was a Faithful, 327 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,295 but obviously... To rub it in their faces, almost. 328 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,975 Exactly. Like, you've been wrong the whole entire time. 329 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,495 In that moment when you said, "I love you, Leanne, 330 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,815 "I love you, Frankie," 331 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,535 was that a genuine thing or was it an attempt to maybe... 332 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,775 No, it was honestly... ..push something onto Charlotte? 333 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,655 It was the first thing that I thought of, because I thought, 334 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:49,895 "I've grown closest with these two." 335 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,295 Frankie was like my mum in there... Yeah. 336 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,735 ...and then Leanne was like my best friend. 337 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,855 Hmm. But then, when you say it like that, it kind of does look 338 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,255 like I've just singled out Charlotte and left it like that. 339 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,975 It would have been amazing if you'd also said, 340 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,655 "I love you, Alexander, I love you, Jake." 341 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,295 THEY LAUGH Yeah. I might've gave it away 342 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,375 a little bit! And then just looked at Charlotte and gone, 343 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,175 "Hmm." Enjoy. THEY LAUGH 344 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,295 Now, at the start of the Round Table, 345 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,495 Claudia asked you to all look at each other 346 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,375 and say, "I am Faithful." 347 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,975 How did that feel? 348 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,295 I thought, "You've really picked your moment to do this now," 349 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,375 because any other time I'd have been happy looking 350 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,535 at everyone being like that, 351 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,455 but then, obviously, because I was a Traitor, I was like, 352 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,455 "For God's sake!" I was like, "No, please." Yeah. 353 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,255 Ancl then obviously the mission before that as well, 354 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,855 I've just been, the whole entire clay 355 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,455 was just trying to defend myself, but it was just dreadful. 356 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,575 Right from the breakfast as well, it was, it was you, 357 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,375 it was doing the piece to camera and saying, 358 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,655 "And now I've got to go into breakfast 359 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,015 "and I'm really bad at lying." 360 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,775 And I was like, "This is not going to go well." 361 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,695 It didn't go well at all! It didn't go well. 362 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,215 I mean, I do want to talk about this particular moment 363 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,615 because I think we're all obsessed with this moment 364 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,175 that you decided to say that someone had told you 365 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,655 that Leanne had a Shield. 366 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,815 Well, because I was just panicking straight away. 367 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,735 We saw. THEY LAUGH 368 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,415 I was completely, like, taken aback. 369 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,935 I'm quite naive. I thought, "Oh, Charlotte will be nice to me. 370 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,215 "We'll be friends. Whatever." 371 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,015 I walk in there and then I thinkjake goes, 372 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,415 "Oh, Leanne has a Shield" and then I then, she was like, 373 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,935 "Oh, me, Charlotte and Frankie knew," 374 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,815 and I was like, I just looked at her and I thought, 375 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,815 "You, aw, I cannot believe that," 376 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,695 and then it just, oh, it just all capsized from there. 377 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,255 Ancl I kind of knew from that minute on I was like, 378 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,695 "Well, OK, just banish me now." 379 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,735 Then at the Round Table, doubling down on that lie 380 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,975 and saying that Minah had told you after the Round Table 381 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,815 that Minah had been banished at. 382 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,575 I was crumbling. 383 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,735 Yeah. I think you'd already, you already knew. 384 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,895 I kind of already thought, like, "|t's me." Yep. 385 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,615 Just, "|t's my time to go. I'm gone." 386 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,615 Let's take another look at that moment. 387 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,135 What do you mean? Whoa, does that mean someone tried to murder you? 388 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,855 What it means is either Alexander or Freddie 389 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,175 has tried to murder me. 390 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,615 Well, it wasn't me. 391 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,255 Alexander, anything? 392 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,695 Obviously not me. 393 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,095 Obviously I will say that, either way. 394 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,775 That does kind of put you two right in it. 395 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,975 Ain't going to lie. 396 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,135 Did you know she had a Shield? 397 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,855 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 398 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,535 Right, OK. Oh, my God. 399 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,535 Yeah, Minah told me that you had a Shield. 400 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,255 Minah didn't know. 401 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,215 Oh, mate. 402 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,775 Oh, mate. I'm... 403 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,055 I feel so bad laughing, cos he's right here. Yeah. 404 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,695 But... It's devastating. 405 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,135 It is devastating, that moment. 406 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,215 I don't actually know why that came out of my... 407 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,255 Cos I think straight after that clip, Alexander was like, 408 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,495 "Actually, someone who has a Shield could have framed us" 409 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,935 and I thought, "You're a smart man, aren't you?" 410 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,455 I just thought, and then because I said it, I thought, 411 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,615 "I've got to go with my lie now." 412 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,735 But he's not been through everything you had to go through. 413 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,535 Yeah, exactly, I'm like... From being a Faithful and being suspected 414 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,175 for the majority of the game so far, and then being, 415 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,415 "Right. At least I get to make it to the end as a Faithful 416 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,255 "and everyone will know," to being recruited 417 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,255 and you just looked so downhearted when you were recruited, 418 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,015 just went, "I don't want to be a Traitor." 419 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,655 Did you genuinely believe that, 420 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,215 like, because you just said that Charlotte was going 421 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,375 to be really nice? 422 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,335 Like, did you believe that she was in the game to keep you in the game? 423 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,735 I don't... I'm quite naive. 424 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,255 I was just like, I just thought, "Oh, like, maybe, 425 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,495 because in my thought, I thought, 426 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,095 "Me and you could maybe win this together." 427 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,695 I'm quite, like, I take people at face value. 428 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,735 I thought, "OK, she's saying all the right things to me." 429 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,975 Obviously, I know it's a Traitor, 430 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,815 so I know she's just completely back stabbed Minah, 431 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,935 so, like, she probably is going to back stab me. 432 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,255 So I kind of knew that, but I just didn't think it would be 433 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,815 the moment I walked into breakfast. 434 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,295 I thought she might start whispering my name about a little bit... Yeah. 435 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,175 ...and then be like, "Let's get Freddie out." 436 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,095 Not, like, straight away. I was like, "Wow. OK." 437 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:11,495 Who was scarier for you, the evil clowns, the haunted dolls 438 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,775 or the undead Leanne? 439 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,175 The undead Leanne. 440 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,695 As soon as I saw those, like, blonde hair walk through the door, 441 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,535 I thought, "Oh, my God, there's no way. 442 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,335 "There's no way." When you were asked, you know, 443 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,055 who told you about the Shield, 444 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,775 why did Charlotte's name not come to you? I don't know! 445 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,975 I was panicking and I just thought... I just panicked 446 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,815 and I just thought, Oh, my God... You can understand why, though. 447 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,135 I didn't want to, like... I don't know, I should have called her out 448 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,095 and said Charlotte, cos then she would have been like, "What?" 449 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,375 Ancl I'd be like, "She's lying," but... 450 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,295 I think you go down in history, for me, as a Faithful, 451 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,815 because you didn't even murder anyone. Thank you - 452 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,215 and I voted for Charlotte at the end, as well. That was my little... 453 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,215 Yeah. I was going to say, did it never cross your mind, 454 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,655 as soon as you saw it was Charlotte, 455 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,215 "OK, I need to get rid of her instead, 456 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,935 "because she's going to come for me"? 457 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,135 Yeah, but I think... He didn't have time! 458 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,815 But, like, as soon as I...like, I just don't know, like, in my mind, 459 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,455 if I had seen Charlotte, knowing what she had done to everyone else, 460 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,375 I would have known that I was damned. 461 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,575 So I wouldn't have even believed her 462 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,495 when she was telling me about Leanne, murder Leanne. 463 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,055 Like, I would have just been like, "Hmm, you seem a bit dodgy," 464 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,295 and then that whole night, I would have just come up with a way 465 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,335 to get rid of Charlotte. Yeah, I didn't even think of it - 466 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,775 but now, looking back on it, she really did lead that Leanne charge. 467 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,775 Totally. I was like, "Oh, my God, why did I not see that?" 468 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,095 She pitches it as if she's going to subtly sort of, like, 469 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,135 lead you towards Leanne, but she basically tells you what to do. 470 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,215 She is good at it - and obviously, I've not been a Traitor, 471 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,335 so I was like, "Yeah, I'll do whatever you want, Charlotte. 472 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,855 "I'll do whatever you want." 473 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,255 What about your relationship with Charlotte throughout the game? 474 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,215 Because you said you were closest to Frankie and Leanne. 475 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,895 Me and Charlotte did get along really well, 476 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,135 and, like, it was kind of after the whole clique argument, 477 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,415 I kind of moved towards, like, 478 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,415 Frankie, Joe and Charlotte's sort of like corner, 479 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,495 rather than the others. 480 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,175 So we became friends through that. 481 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,295 But then she did that to me! 482 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,615 Ancl now you find out she's not actually Welsh. 483 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,775 Oh, my God! What do you feel about that? 484 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,535 I was going to say, do you know all the secrets 485 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,775 from, like, Leanne, as well? 486 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,975 Yeah. So I've found that out now, but, like, it was just cra... 487 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,055 For example, with Leanne, like, she's played it perfectly. 488 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,975 Like, you go in as blonde, you wear a pink blazer. 489 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,615 No-one's going to question that you were a soldier. 490 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,935 It's really bad with stereotypes like that, 491 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,055 but you just assume that she's a nail tech - 492 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,535 and then, with Charlotte, I just, like... 493 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,935 Why would I question someone's accent? 494 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,575 I just don't see the point of it, personally. 495 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,375 I was like, "Why would I ever, like, question you're not from Wales?" 496 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,415 That doesn't make you a Traitor or a Faithful. 497 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,415 A lot of people have said that, but... 498 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,895 It's clearly worked for her! ..It's worked for her. 499 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,095 Whatever she's doing is absolutely working for her. 500 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,575 I think she was meant to be a Traitor from the very beginning. 501 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,175 Mm. Like, I think she was kind of born a Traitor, 502 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,735 and then she just lucked out to be a Faithful, then... 503 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,495 So you mean from the beginning of her LIFE? 504 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,775 From the beginning of her entire life! 505 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,295 But I think it's such a real advantage to gain people's trust, 506 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,775 as being a pure Faithful for so long... Yeah. I agree. 507 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,255 ...and then when you switch to a Traitor, I think 508 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,735 you're at such an advantage. 509 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,535 So you learn both ways of acting. 510 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,615 Ancl then, obviously, she had longer 511 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,895 to know how to be at the breakfast table, 512 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,575 and just act totally normal, than you did - 513 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,855 and, like, yeah, it's such a huge advantage. 514 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,255 So, I think she did well, and, um... 515 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,375 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 516 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,095 What was your take on her when you saw her at the table? 517 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,615 Well, I just, like... I respected the craftsmanship of it. 518 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,255 I was like, "OK, this is this is really respectable. 519 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,535 "You've played a great game here," but I just thought, 520 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,895 "I can't believe you did that to me." 521 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,615 I thought we were friends or whatever, but obviously 522 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,935 this is quite a cut-throat game. 523 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,295 Did you think about just chucking a croissant at her or something? 524 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,655 I should have chucked several croissants at her. 525 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,535 "Why has Freddie just chucked a croissant at Charlotte?" 526 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,895 But my plan was to not, like, argue with her at all 527 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,295 throughout the whole clay, so then she thought she got away scot-free. 528 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,895 But I was always going to vote for her at the end. 529 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,295 I'll just let her think that I don't care, whatever, 530 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,695 but I thought, "I'll just vote for you regardless of whatever..." 531 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,775 Because not all the Traitors vote for Traitors that have, you know... 532 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,135 Exactly. ..stabbed in the back, so to speak. 533 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,135 Yeah. Ancl because no-one thought it was her, ever, 534 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,575 so I just thought, "Well, I'll just vote for you." Yeah. 535 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,895 I think that was... When you did that, 536 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,495 I was like, "Oh, that could be problematic for Charlotte." 537 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,935 Little did I know, round the corner was a way bigger problem to come. 538 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,895 What would you have done if you was the Seer? Well, I think I won. 539 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,735 I think... Going back there, I think I got quite a lot of money. 540 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,295 So, I thought I won. If I was doing it, I would either... 541 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,535 Actually, after Charlotte's thrown me under the bus, 542 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,655 I would have clone her as a Seer and then told everyone 543 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,295 that she was a Traitor, probably, 544 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,695 and then just throw it back in her face. I like that. 545 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,535 So you are a Traitor! Yeah. 546 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,135 All of this, "Oh, I'm a Faithful, I hated having to be a Traitor..." 547 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,575 Mate, you love it. You was going to betray her. 548 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,735 In hindsight, right, if you didn't pick Leanne, 549 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,975 who would you have picked instead? 550 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,855 I would have probably murdered Jake, 551 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,935 just because he kind of thought it was a boy. 552 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,375 He thought it was either me or Alexander, 553 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,175 and he was leaning more towards me every single time. 554 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,535 So I would have got rid ofjake. 555 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,135 Ancl if it made me looked suspicious, I would have tried to run with it. 556 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,415 You would have kept your allies in there as well. Yeah, exactly. 557 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,855 Inside the castle as well, 558 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,175 towards the end for Charlotte's game play now, 559 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,495 was there any thought... 560 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,615 ...because obviously there's been women power the whole series, 561 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,975 because Jake pushing the whole male narrative, 562 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,135 I think that's a good cover for Charlotte, too, 563 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,215 because there's been three Traitors that's been caught 564 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,535 and they're all women. 565 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,335 So did anyone think there could be another woman in the Turret? 566 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,575 I think we all kind of wrongly decided 567 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,695 that there had to be a boy in there, 568 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,615 which is so silly when you look back on it, 569 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,575 but Jake kept going like, "Oh, it has to be a boy, and it's not me, 570 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,455 "and it's one of you." And obviously me and Alexander were like, 571 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,975 "|t's not us. It must be one of you two." 572 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,455 So then we were fighting between ourselves 573 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,135 when Charlotte's just getting away scot-free. 574 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,375 But Alexander wasn't convinced there would be a man. 575 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,375 Alexander was quite... He thought no. 576 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,095 Ancl we should have probably thought, 577 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,135 like...if, say, they'd started with three women, if they recruited, 578 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,895 they're probably going to recruit another woman 579 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,095 just to keep that girl power. 580 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,255 But obviously you don't think of that when you're in there. 581 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,575 I do like the boldness of Alexander saying, "Well, it's not me, 582 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,255 "but I would say that either way." 583 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,135 Yeah. I see where you're coming from. Yeah. 584 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,295 You liked that, didn't you, Rose? I did. 585 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,135 I liked it. 586 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,175 So we're almost at the Traitors series three final. 587 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,935 I am so excited. 588 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,975 I cannot wait to see what happens. 589 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,655 Uh, the Frankie Seer power. 590 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,895 This is a huge twist, it's massive, 591 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,935 and the outcome of the final could all hang on this - 592 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,935 but I want to ask all of you, did anyone notice this in episode nine? 593 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,615 Ooh! It's been there all along. 594 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,215 The Easter eggs were there. 595 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,135 Oh! I don't know what's in that book. 596 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,895 I wonder if anyone had picked that book up and read it, 597 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,695 they might have got the power straight away! 598 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,135 Maybe if Yin was still in, cos she read books. Yin didn't get a chance. 599 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,815 Yeah, well, Yin read the books. 600 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,855 That's why she went. Yeah. 601 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,815 But in addition, all the way back in episode one, 602 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,055 Claudia told the players about another twist. 603 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,535 Let's have a reminder. 604 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,055 Listen carefully. 605 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,095 Those who make it to the final will no longer 606 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,935 reveal their true identities 607 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,695 as they leave. 608 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,415 Instead, you will need to rely 609 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,415 solely on your instincts 610 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,335 as to whether any Traitors 611 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,895 are left in the game. 612 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,055 Some classic Linda faces at the end of that. 613 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,775 We talked about this a bit already, 614 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,895 but how do we think this is going to affect the final game, Harry? 615 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,855 It's going to be so unpredictable of what's going to happen, clearly, 616 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,775 because I haven't got a clue what's going to go on. 617 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,855 When it was, like, my series and series one, with Wilf, 618 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,815 you can sort of work out that there must be one Traitor left, 619 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,415 or two Traitors left, 620 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,735 so once you get that Traitor who stands up and says, 621 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,335 "|'m a Traitor," then you can sort of end the game. 622 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,375 Now there's no hope of knowing who's who. 623 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,935 So I think if anyone's got a grudge with anyone 624 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,495 or they have one slight feeling that it's anyone, 625 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,855 they're just going to go for them and re-vote again. 626 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,095 Rose, who do you think this twist benefits the most? 627 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,655 Is it the Traitors or the Faithful? 628 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,815 I think it benefits the Traitor. 629 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,495 Yeah. I think so. 630 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,935 This group feels like they go so off vibes. 631 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,855 So, if... Like, to be honest, 632 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,535 like, I feel like if they can get Charlotte 633 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,575 and they've got this, like, win of getting a Traitor, 634 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,255 I think they possibly could be like... Then they don't know. 635 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,815 They won't know Charlotte's a Traitor. Oh, that's so true. 636 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,735 This is the twist. Yeah. So this is the maddest thing about the game. 637 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,695 Unless they're convinced by Frankie. 638 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,375 Yeah, but even if they get rid of her, 639 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,095 they then don't know whether Frankie's telling the truth. 640 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,335 Frankie should have just got another Faithful in and said, 641 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,295 "Look, we're both Faithfuls. We can't trust anyone else. 642 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,215 "Just get rid of all of them and split it 50-50." 643 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,935 But she thinks Charlotte's a Faithful. 644 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,935 Maybe that's what she was trying to do. Yeah. 645 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,575 It's going to completely backfire. 646 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,135 And now she's just caught a Traitor. 647 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,375 Do you think, though, before you left, 648 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,375 where was the balance going towards, 649 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,495 Charlotte or Frankie? 650 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,335 Um, I think people would have voted out Frankie 651 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,055 before they voted out Charlotte. Really? 652 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,495 Yeah. Like Charlotte's, like, completely undetected. Wow. 653 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,055 Frankie's been quite quiet. 654 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,895 Why are they still...? Why...? I don't know. 655 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,335 There was the whole thing, 656 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,095 it was, like, Leon versus Frankie in one of the Round Tables. 657 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,455 It was either Frankie was going to go or Leon was going to go, 658 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,415 and I think since then, they started to have a bit of suspicion. OK. 659 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,055 She got a lot wrong, Frankie. She's also not voted... 660 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,215 She hasn't voted out a Traitor. No. She didn't vote out Linda. 661 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,295 She didn't vote out Armani. Will, would you have liked this twist 662 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,775 to have been in your series? 663 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,775 Because I think at the time you said it felt like a relief 664 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,615 to be able to reveal your status, 665 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,175 but do you think it might have been quite fun to not do that? 666 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,295 No, not at all. 667 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,855 I think the weight that lifts off your shoulders, 668 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,615 especially, like... It was so weird, cos I lost, 669 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,895 but I felt like I'd won at the same time. 670 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,975 I can't explain the feeling that was there, 671 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,055 but, for me, being able to say that and get it off your chest, 672 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,095 for these people to go on and play the game and win, 673 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,575 because obviously I knew I was the last Traitor. 674 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,375 They didn't know that, but I did, and I was like, "Oh, my God, 675 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,415 "these guys can go and win now." 676 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,735 But imagine not being able to do that and go, "Well, I've left it..." 677 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,935 You haven't left it at the end of the story. 678 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,535 Did you feel a relief at saying you were a Traitor? 679 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,495 The greatest Traitor in the world, if I remember rightly! 680 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,495 That's, like, the trickiest question ever, 681 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,575 because obviously if I was in there, I would love this twist, 682 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,135 because it's, like, as long as I get to the final, 683 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,375 no-one knows how many Traitors there are. 684 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,255 So you need everyone to trust you as a Traitor 685 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,095 this time round with the twist. 686 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,055 So, I'm not too sure, but I mean, yeah, once I said I was a Traitor, 687 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,255 I obviously felt bad. 688 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,455 It was about two minutes later, 689 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,375 you're running around outside screaming... Two minutes later... 690 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,975 ..."|'m the greatest Traitor in the world!" 691 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,095 With the gold coins. Yeah, I know. 692 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,695 Now, Freddie, we have to ask you, whilst you're here on Uncloaked, 693 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,655 did you suggest the shower scenes? 694 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,055 LAUGHTER 695 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,375 I wasn't against the idea of going in the shower. 696 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,335 It was like a 50-50 decision. 697 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,855 I said, "Yeah, sure, I'll get in the shower." 698 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,335 It's really funny, because normally it's people's hobbies. 699 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,255 Freddie, what was the reaction of your friends and family 700 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,455 when they found out that you were in the show? 701 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,255 They were pretty shocked, to be fair. 702 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,855 So, I told people when I went for three weeks, 703 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,215 because if I'm not on my phone, my friends are going to be like, 704 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,935 "What is going on?", basically. 705 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,495 But I told my friends that I was on an M|5 internship sort of thing, 706 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,295 because it's the only other reason why... 707 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,015 Because it's the only reason why I wouldn't be on my phone. 708 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,935 Because, like, if even if, like... 709 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,655 I can think of so many other reasons! 710 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,215 Yes, exactly. 711 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,255 So the bad lie was there from the start, you can see it. 712 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,135 That is so funny! Your phone was broken, springs to mind. 713 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,975 "|'m there with Minah. 714 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,295 "I don't know. Who's Minah? What?" 715 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,815 Freddie, we are so sorry you missed out on the final hurdle. 716 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,615 Delight having you, of course. 717 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,175 We're continuing over on BBC Sounds, where we are doing a countdown 718 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,055 of the best moments of this series. 719 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,735 We're going to get the last bits of intel on our remaining players 720 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,575 from banished Faithful-turned-Traitor Freddie, 721 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,575 before we make our predictions ahead of the final. 722 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,615 It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked 723 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,895 in your BBC Sounds app right now. 724 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,535 Just scan the QR code below, 725 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,535 and while you're there, you can subscribe 726 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,495 to never miss a moment of Traitors chat, 727 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,615 including our bonus with all the finalists 728 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,055 tomorrow night - 729 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,695 and if you think you have what it takes 730 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,415 to gain people's trust and then brutally double-cross them, 731 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,495 then head to... 732 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,615 ...to apply for season four of The Traitors. 733 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,135 A massive thanks to Rose, Wilf, Diane, Harry and Freddie 734 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,735 for joining me, and thanks to you for watching as well. 735 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,175 The Traitors finale is tomorrow, earlier than normal, at 8:30pm, 736 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,455 and we'll be here joined by the entire cast, plus Claudia, 737 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,375 with an extra-special Uncloaked right after at 9:40pm, 738 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,055 also on BBC One and iPlayer. 739 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,015 I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful. 740 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,055 APPLAUSE 63447

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