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Hello, Traitors super-fan, and
welcome to this edition of Uncloaked

with me, Ed Gamble.

This is the visualised podcast
where we dissect everything

from The Traitors episode nine.

There isn't long left!

Now, spoilers are coming
in a matter of seconds,

so if you haven't seen
the latest episode, begone!

Get it watched on iPlayer before
you get stuck into our chat here.

Coming up - Lisa and Leon are both
here to give us the lowdown

on their whole castle experience.

We have the exclusive moment
where they find out

who the Traitors are
for the first time.

Plus joining me in my basement
to analyse

everything we've just seen,

we have Angela Scanlon,
and Traitor Wilf from series one!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Wilf, Angela, welcome.
I was about to clap myself. I know.

Yeah, you get clapping.
WILF LAUGHS

Yeah!

You know, if you can't do it
for yourself, Wilf...

Are you clapping each other?
That's such a delightful energy.

Yeah, it's good.

Welcome back to Uncloaked, Wilf.

Hello. And welcome
to Uncloaked, Angela.

Thank you. Happy to be here!
Very excited to have you here.

Now, from each of you,
I need a one-noise response

to the series so far.

Words will not be accepted.
OK.

Angela, a noise, please.

ANGELA WAI LS

Wilf?
WI LF SH RI EKS

I can see what sort of episode
this is going to be.

LAUGHTER
Oh, God!

Look, we've got a lot
to get through, OK?

Because poor Lisa
got biffed off overnight.

We had the statue mission,

which seemed to mess with the
psychology of the group a little bit.

And there was also a lavish,
if slightly awkward, dinner party.

Mm. But, as is the usual custom
on Uncloaked,

let's start with the latest
Round Table banishment.

I've loved every minute of it.

It's just my time, man.

It's the way the cookie crumbles.

Don't be afraid to get it wrong,
because you'll never get it right.

I can reveal that I am...

# Cry me a river

--- 4Q!'

...a Faithful.

Oh!

Brutal. Brutal!
Yeah! So brutal.

I love that bit of philosophy,
though, of,

"Don't be afraid to get it wrong,
because you'll never get it right."

I think they know that by now.

LAUGHING: Yeah!

It was an interesting energy
from Leon

the last couple of episodes, though,

because he was quite chirpy
in the morning

and then ready to go on the attack
at the Round Table.

And he's had that whole thing
of the Death Match,

got into the coffin, seemed to emerge
a completely different person. Yeah.

Zombie Leon, I'm calling him.
WILF LAUGHS

Zombie. Well, yeah,
it wasn't as if he actually had a,

like, life or death moment,
like a flash before your eyes

where he decided to rethink
his entire life.

Yeah. Because I thought initially,
at the beginning of the episode,

there was a steeliness
and a kind of,

like, vigour and energy
that we hadn't seen in a few clays.

But it dwindled
over the course of the day.

Yeah, he got...
Slowly, like, just changed.

The relationship between Leanne and
Leon seemed to sour a little bit.

It was very awkward.

And they've had a good relationship
up until this point.

Wilf, why do you think people
still refuse to vote for people

they see as their friends
in the castle?

Because this has taken ages
to get to this point.

Yeah, it's a really strange thing.

I think what happens is, when you're
there, you become friends,

and you know that you can vote
together, so you end up,

like,
keeping your friends next to you

because you don't want to
vote them out,

because then you don't
have that majority vote

against somebody else.

Interesting. So it's good to keep
your friends in there

so you can all have, like, this
voting power. So you can influence.

Yeah, you can influence
your friends,

you can influence the vote together.

But also, I guess you've got to
bear in mind,

while you're grouping with these
people to influence the vote,

that one of them could be a Traitor.

One of them's lying to your face.

Yeah, one of them's lying
to your face.

Yeah, but then they'll keep you in
anyway, because the Traitor...

Like, if you're a Traitor and
you've got people voting with you,

you're like, "Yeah,
I'll keep these lot around,

"because then I've got power
around the table

"as well as the power
in the Turret."

So...do you know what I mean?

If you're voting with a Traitor,
the traitor will keep you in.

Like, become friends with...

Say if you was a Traitor
and I knew you was a Traitor,

I wouldn't call you a Traitor.
Yeah.

I'd be like, "Yeah, I'm just going
to be your best friend.

"Just keep me in."
You'd stick with me, really?

Yeah, 100% I'd be like, "You keep me
in till the end!" I'd kill you.

I would absolutely hammer you.

I do feel bad for Leanne and Leon,
though,

because I think they were a really
nice little team. Yeah.

So do I. I was struggling to come up
with a team name for them, though.

All I got was Leanne or Leon.

Le-ON. Le-ON!
LAUGHTER

Yeah, you just say Leon differently.

LAUGHING: Yeah.

Le-ON. Le-ON.

Jake is full of beans
after the Linda banishment. Yeah.

But there's been very few
moments like that in this series

of one person going,
"I think it's this person,"

and then they carry it through
and they're victorious.

Ancl they push.
Yeah, and they push for it.

And he did it from day one.

Season two, there was, like,
15 Traitors. Yeah.

So, do you know what I mean? Every
week, they were finding the Traitor.

But now it's like
that was a special moment,

because it only happened
once or twice. Yes.

So Claudia then surprised the players
with a dinner party.

I mean, as if they're not bad enough
at the best of times. Yeah.

The most brutal Round Table -

"GUYS, get your glad rags on!"

It was like, "Oh, my God,
can I call in sick?"

Get off the Round Table,
come and sit at the square table.

Yeah. Yeah.
LAUGHTER

"My kid's not well" -
you can't use that excuse.

I thought it was quite nice.

I thought, like,
we've gone on this journey

with this group of people, and some
of them, we don't know much about.

And we're like,
"Mm, I'm not sure of that person."

Ancl then you hear their story,
you're like, "I like that person."

Yeah.
Like Alexander, he's been amazing.

Ancl then when he talked
about his brother, like,

I lost my brother.

So then you're talking to
the real people, then.

Yeah. You see the real version
of themselves.

So that made me really like him,
even though I liked him anyway.

But you get all these stories and
you start to relate yourself. Yeah.

So, yeah, I really liked doing
the table for that reason.

But then it's like,
"Let's all have a beautiful dinner.

"Goodbye." Like then it's all
just going to go...

It's the calm before the storm.

And then Minah and Charlotte
have got to go up to the Turret

after hearing all of those stories
and go, "Should I kill one of them?"

They looked all right, though,
didn't they?

They genuinely did.
They genuinely looked all right.

They were grand. There was
one moment at the beginning

where they went, "Oh, God,
all those stories.

"|t was so nice.
And now we've got to come back here."

And they were like, "Do you want
to recruit?" "No, murder.

"Murder!"

And even Minah's now saying,
"Oh, this is the hardest one."

Charlotte just went,
"Oh, I'm just getting into it."

"I'm just warming up!"

Yeah, she's gleeful.

Yeah, she is absolutely loving it.

I feel so sorry for Minah right now.

I'm struggling for Minah,

because the thing is, when you're
a Traitor and you've clone it for

the whole time, and then somebody
comes in and she doesn't even know

that Charlotte is thinking this,
I just...

Ancl she's like,
"We're such a good team,

"|'m so glad that
I brought her here.

Ancl she's like, "Yeah, I can't wait
to get rid of her." Yeah.

So Minah's given a performance review
to Charlotte and said

that she's outstanding,

so let's remind ourselves
of Traitor Charlotte in action.

I've got a one, two, three game.

You want to say a name after one,
two, three? OK, we can do that.

One, two, three -
Frankie. Minah.

Oh! I just said Frankie,
though, I just said Frankie!

You mentioned
to me Minah.

She's always been in
my unsure category. Yeah.

I don't know.
I don't know.

I think, as a Traitor, it's
so hard to trust Traitors.

But I can
trust Charlotte.

I'd be honoured to
be standing up there

with Charlotte
at the final.

The three, two, one game is one of
the most ridiculous things

I've ever seen in my life.
It was so funny!

I screamed at the top of my voice.

Leanne going,
"I've got a three, two, one game.

"Three, two, one - Frankie"
And Charlotte going, "Minah!"

Yeah!

"Yeah, Frankie, yeah, yeah, yeah."

"Oh, actually, yeah, I did think
Frankie, actually. Yeah, yeah."

She dropped Minah's name
really quickly away, didn't she?

"Yeah, I thought about that
as well, yeah.

"Forget about Minah,
I didn't say that."

But I think maybe we should have
seen Charlotte coming,

because as soon as she arrived,
the first murder,

Anna, and she's like,
"She's gone to a happier place."

She's like... She was just so joyful
in the killing. Yeah.

Like, it's very much a game for her.

Whereas I think Minah, sometimes
you see a little flicker of remorse.

And Charlotte's even been concealing
from Minah when other people

have been saying her name,

which I thought was very smart.
Is she still Welsh?

It's very smart. Because I'm not
sure. She's never been Welsh.

Yeah, I know that, but...

The accent's completely gone,
I think, isn't it?

No, it's still there.
Because if you hear her speak

in her real voice,
it's quite a posh English voice.

Yeah. So she's...
It's just a very gentle Welsh accent.

I was expecting her to reveal it
to Minah when she was recruited,

but I think that shows us that...

Well, see, I thought... Because you
said that, "Why hasn't she told...?"

Ancl I said, "Because she's going to
nail her."

Yeah. Or it would be ammunition
for Minah to nail Charlotte.

She's like, "By the way,
that's not her real accent."

But imagine doing that, taking
your hood off and going,

POSH ACCENT: "Oh, right. Anyway..."

She'd be like,
"What, you're not even Welsh?!"

POSH ACCENT: "I do have one thing
to tell you, actually."

But I think there might have been
quite an awkward moment

where she's like,
"|'m not even Welsh."

And Minah would go,
"Sorry, you're...Welsh?

"You were pretending to be Welsh?
I had no idea."

"|t's quite a soft accent
you've got."

Now on to the mission with
the big heads.

Should we get it out of the way
now, Wilf? Yeah, get it out the way.

I'm not going to look at anyone
when I say this.

Obviously, the bodies of the statues
looked quite interesting,

didn't they?
In certain positions.

When he was holding it from
the back. Yeah.

The angles, sometimes,
did the statues a lot of favours.

It's a bit dodgy, yeah.

A lot. A LOT of favours,
I would say.

They had to get the bodies
and the heads up the hill,

and then the stone heads,
they put on,

and one of them had a Shield on it.
They had to make that decision.

I'm glad they put names
on the heads, by the way, because

I wouldn't have recognised them
from the statues. Yeah, same. Same.

The bodies, maybe.

Oh! I feel like I'm in school.

Like, I feel like I'm a child,
I feel like I'm 12 right now.

They didn't decide at the start
who was going to get the Shield.

Wilf, would you have decided
at the start, maybe?

Because it got a bit messy,
didn't it? Yeah.

I think it's better to just
talk about it at the beginning,

because if you leave it to chance,
especially if you're a Faithful,

you might not get it.
Yeah.

So I thought Freddie did
quite well, though.

At the beginning he was like,

"I got off the boat, I did this,
I did that."

And he had quite an interesting
theory for wanting the Shield.

Let's have a look.

Today, I'm going for the Shield
because I haven't had one yet.

Before, I was a
bit more content

because there was so
much suspicion on me.

But now no-one's
really saying my name,

so I'm like,
"Bloody hell,

"|'m not really safe
from murder any more."

So Freddie seemed to prefer it
when he was under suspicion.

That's how mad the game is,
that, when he was under suspicion,

he knew he wasn't going
to be murdered,

as long as he could cling on
for banishment.

But now no-one's talking about
him as a Traitor,

he's worried that he's going to
get murdered by the Traitors.

I kind of think I understand that,
in that he didn't think

he'd get murdered because he was
an easy target at the banishment.

So they'd go, "Do you know what?
He'll be nailed tomorrow."

Whereas now, there is less heat
on him, and he thinks actually...

So the Traitors might go,
"Well, what's the point?

"He's not going to get banished.
Yeah, get rid of him." Yeah.

Ancl he is getting a bit stronger.
I like Freddie.

I think there's a nice little
bit of confidence coming in,

and he's potentially a big problem
for Minah.

Yeah.
Yeah.

I think, if he gets her,
then he's...

He's a hero.
..potentially really strong. Yeah.

So we should have a chat
about what we think

is going to happen next,
because the Traitors have

narrowed it down tojoe, Jake,
or Leanne to be murdered.

Which way do we think
they're going to go?

I thinkjake. You thinkjake? I
think they're going to go forjake.

He's a strong player,
even though his theories

are just eyes a lot of the time,

but I think they see him
as a strong player.

Ancl they did say
he's a Traitor catcher. Yeah.

And he's caught his Traitor.

I think their point was that
he's done. He's clone his job.

Yep.
He's done his job now.

This is all Charlotte using language
about people like they're batteries,

just being like, "Yeah, he's used up
now." Dead. All dead, dead. Dead.

Gone to a happier place.
Yeah!

OK, it's nearly time
to meet Leon and Lisa.

First, another juicy
Uncloaked exclusive.

Here's what happened when
they found out who the Traitors are.

Oh, my God!

Oh, angel.

Come and give me a hug.

Oh, gosh.

I'm really happy to see you
but I'm not happy to see you.

OK, so I'm dying to know -

are you a Faithful
or were you a Traitor?

I was...

...a Faithful.

Aw!

And all I tried to do was
do what's best for all of us. Yeah.

What you said was telling
in terms of Leon's love

for his family trumps everything.

But you lot are my family, and all
I wanted to do was try and do

what's best for us.
Yeah.

So who do you think are
the Traitors?

Frankie, Alexander,

and Charlotte.

OK.

And you?

I was thinking
that Freddie and Frankie were.

But I've changed my mind.

I still think Frankie,

but now I think Alexander.

I think there's only two in there
at this present moment in time. OK.

So now's the moment. Are you ready?

My head's been bursting.

I need to know.

LEON CHUCKLES

OK.
Yeah.

Minah.

Oh, my God!

So the weight of the world
on her shoulders

coming to the table.

She's done a passionate
plea in terms of,

she's a Faithful,
she would never do that.

I just knew it was
going to be something crazy.

This is what's scaring me now.

Her and Leanne came to me
and told me they suspect Armani.

So do you think it could be both
of them, Minah and Leanne? Yeah.

I think you're going to tell me
that Leanne's on that list.

What did I say about Leanne
at the Round Table?

Her confidence has grown.

Oh, my God.

So are you ready to find out
the next one?

I don't think I am,
but go, please. Please.

Here we go.

Charlotte.

Oh, my God.

What are these
people doing?

So one out of two's
not bad.

After I came out
of the coffin,

the only person I felt
I could really trust

and speak to was Charlotte.

I didn't get to have
a proper conversation.

She got questioned by Armani
two Round Tables in a row.

Yeah. I thought, "There's no way
that Armani is doing that

"to a fellow Traitor straight away,"

so I thought,
"You have to be a Faithful."

Maybe she was recruited
when Anna said no.

But that makes sense in terms of
just got to test the theory. Yeah.

But no-one would suspect her.

If she was recruited when Anna said
no, no-one would suspect her at all.

Oh, my... Honestly, I can't see
a way that they win this,

the Faithful. I cannot see a way.
No, I can't.

They might get rid of Minah,

but with Charlotte in the mix,
I can't see it.

Please welcome to Uncloaked,
Leon and Lisa!

CHEERING

We are so delighted
to have you both here.

Thank you very much for joining us.

We should get into it straight away
and talk about your suspicions there

because, you know, you were circling
around some of the right ideas.

You said Charlotte, Lisa.
Yeah.

What was it about Charlotte
that you suspected?

You know, she'd just been likeable,
really, really nice.

And then, suddenly, she just...

There was something
about her that changed. Mm.

She suddenly, really,
really grew in confidence

and I was thinking,
"That's a bit odd."

You know, you're suddenly this,

you know, come out of your shell
and really sort of going for it.

And I thought, "I just don't trust
you as much as everybody...

"Everybody really, really trusts
you." Yeah, I did.

But you were saying you trusted
Charlotte when you

came out of the coffin,
she was the only person you trusted.

She wasn't a Traitor by that point.
No, she... Yeah. Well...

I really love on Traitors that
it's things like saying

someone really came out of their
shell is an immediate negative.

Oh, yeah. Listen...

"She's so confident and happy
in her own skin, so I thought..."

Somebody sneezed, somebody sneezes,
and there's something wrong.

That's it, there's something
wrong with them.

And when anyone starts to exude
confidence, as you know,

in The Traitors, it's like,
"Really?"

ANGELA: An invincible feeling.

Yeah, why do you feel so invincible?

But you were sniffing around them.

I mean, they did...
They did well, nailing you.

Let's relive that moment now.

I've thought about Charlotte.

I voted for you at
the first Round Table.

And since then,
lthought

"Wow, Charlotte's grown
in confidence."

Where has that
confidence come from?

Minah, I look at you.

Every time you come
to a Round Table,

I feel like you've got
the weight of the world

on your shoulders.

And that could be for
one of two reasons -

being a Faithful,
or you are finding

the pressure of being
a Traitor really hard

and having to look at
people that you,

you know, really care
for and murder them.

You got two of them
straight out the gate.

I think this was the moment you said
to Leon, "You care about your family,

"so you might be a Traitor."

See what I mean?!

You're a nice, caring person,
so I think you kill people.

I know! I know.

This is the whole theme
of the series. Yeah.

Alexander came under suspicion
from both of you as well.

Why did you suspect him, Leon?

When it's been put that someone

in the Death Match
could potentially be a Traitor -

I know I'm Faithful-

Alexander already had that heat
on him in terms of coming in late,

so you had people already kind
of suspecting that.

But I thought, "|t has to be him."

And you know what as we“,
'gust to add?

In that Death Match,
I'm thinking to myself, like,

that's one point where I'm thinking,
"I can't do this to Anna.

"Anna is stressing out." And that
might be me being a good person

and looking after my family.
But I thought...

At one point,
it felt like it was me and Anna

versus Fozia and Alexander.
Really?

That's what almost it felt like
to me. Yeah.

I felt, Anna's card,

I felt I could have taken
that from Anna.

Ancl I let it go.

But just the way he was the
calmest person in that Death Match,

I just thought,
"There's something about him."

ANGELA: But I think people felt
after the Death match

that your kind of mood had changed.

It definitely did.
Yeah. And why was that?

Is that because you were buried
alive? That's pretty disconcerting.

At one point...everyone loves you,

and then you've been put
in a game like that,

I'm thinking, "Someone wants
me dead." Yeah.

So it kind of made me think,
"|s it Leanne? Is it...?"

Even Jake. "ls itjake?"

But, yeah, I just had to kind of
take a step back and think,

"Who can I really...?"

But even that split second,
even if you take a step back

for five minutes just to try and
analyse the situation,

that five minutes, to people,
is a reason. I know, I know.

Just that five minutes,
people will be like,

"Oh, he's gone a bit weird."
That's a thing.

I don't think anyone would argue
that maybe lying down in a coffin

and then having to come out of
a coffin is something

that wouldn't affect you.
No, no.

You're one of the few people in the
world who's come out of a coffin.

Alive, yeah. I'll take that.
I'll take that. I'll take that.

ANGELA: Lucky man!

That amazing clip we saw
of you there, Lisa,

like, absolutely getting Minah
and Charlotte at the Round Table,

do you think that contributed
to you being murdered that night?

Absolutely. Because, you know,
they say in it, you know,

"She's more observant
than we've given her credit for."

I kind of went in as
Luna Lovegood's grandmother, really.

You know, a little bit airy-fairy,

"Oh, look at me,
I'm just the old lady,

"|'m not really taking any notice
of anything,

"and I'm just here
in the background."

But, you know, watching people,
I think it was like...

Yeah, I mean, Minah had always
been kind of on my radar

but she was so well-liked,
so popular.

And you'll appreciate this, Wilf-

when people are really,
really well liked,

you've got to pick your moment to go
against them, because otherwise,

people are going to instinctively
turn on you and think

that you're trying to get rid
of them because they're popular.

You have to be really careful.

I think, Lisa, you almost
seemed quite attached

to some people as well.
Like, you made friends in there

and I think it made it quite
difficult for you to

go against those people.
I did. Yeah.

I'm thinking specifically of Alex
and Linda as well. Yeah.

Like, in episode seven,
you got quite emotional

bringing up Linda
at the Round Table.

Yeah, she's my pal, you know.

I really, really like her.

And, you know,
this sounds really crazy,

I know I'm putting it out there,

but even in my heart of hearts,
if I knew she was a Traitor,

when you're in there...
There's a saying, isn't there?

Keep your friends close
and your enemies closer.

Now, I love Linda,
I really do love her,

but there was a little bit of me
that was thinking,

"Actually, I think you are a Traitor
right from the get-go,"

even when Jake said.

But we got on so well
and she was such a great friend,

and I thought, "Well, I'll just let
this ride out, see where it goes."

"We're having a laugh."

"We're having a laugh,
It's good fun,

"we're women of a certain age,
you know, we understand things."

People don't understand
the relationships

you can build in there. Yeah.
I remember going,

"They're holiday friends,
they're holiday friends.

"We'll say happy birthday
on Facebook once a year."

Like, that was me. And I went in
there, and all of a sudden,

I was just crying the whole time.

I was like,
"They're all my real friends!

"They're not holiday friends."

ANGELA: Yeah! "They see me for me!"
Yeah! Yeah, yeah. They see...!

You had a similar sort of thing,
Leon, with Tyler?

Obviously there was the... I mean,
I don't want to say it was a click,

because that caused some
controversy,

but you were closer with Tyler
than some other people.

Yeah, I love big T. I love Tyler.

Now I know that's just
his personality.

Yeah. But you just saw little
sly smiles here and there

when you're having conversations,
you're thinking,

"He could easily be one."

But he was just loving life
in there, wasn't he?

This is what hurt the most,
because, like you mentioned

about friendships, you don't
want to go against someone

and ruin someone's experience and
then... But you had to play a game.

Yeah.
Ancl it's like, honestly, that's...

You know what? My biggest regret
in this whole thing is Tyler.

Lisa, do you think you actually
lasted so long in the game

because Linda was looking out
for you?

I did think that there would be
someone looking out for me,

and I did think it was potential...
Aside from God.

Yeah, aside from
the big man upstairs,

yeah, there was definitely someone,
I thought, watching out for me,

and I thought...
I was very grateful.

So that was really nice.

And I thought it could be Linda.

If it wasn't Linda,
I wasn't sure who it was,

but I thought they were just
protecting me for some reason.

Because I was kind of ineffectual.

I was playing this sort of, "Oh,
I don't really know what I'm doing,"

so I wasn't really offending
anyone or...

I think you were right to do that as
well, because as soon as you started

throwing out those accusations
around the Round Table, that was it.

Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

Now, Leon, we've talked about
the suspicion around you

after you came out of the coffin,

but there was a little bit
more suspicion in that vote

after the mission in this episode
that you didn't vote forjoe,

you voted for Freddie, and then said,

"I didn't even knowjoe
was in the vote." Oh, my God.

1 00%, I assumed that it was between
Frankie and Freddie. Yeah.

You know what?
I need to go to the gym,

because obviously, that mission
just clone it all for me.

Because I was a mess.
Horrible, yeah.

So when the question got asked
to me, I was just like,

"Oh, just whoever's closest
to me at the time, Freddie."

But then also, I thought,
I'll use that to my advantage.

I thought, "|f people are thinking
it's Freddie, let's get Freddie out,

"regardless if he's got a Shield
or not." I do...

You even said that on the episode,
just after the mission, going,

"I've got to go to the gym
because this is not a good look."

Oh, it's just...!

Ancl you know what made it worse?

I'm there in that mission
thinking, "Slow down.

"Leanne, are we all right? Shall we
slow down? Shall we stop a minute?

"Are you OK?" All this time,
she's like, bloody,

an army vet running up and down.
So I'm slowing her down!

Ancl she said that my nails
look good as well, so it's like...

There's so many things about it.
That's so funny!

In that mission, there was a little
bit of controversy afterwards

because some people were
talking about Leanne carrying

her own head up the hill.

Frankie was talking about it.

And then you told Leanne
that Frankie was talking about it,

and that you were accused of being
a bit of a stirrer.

Watching it back now, it seems like
I'm just totally stirring the pot.

Totally, totally. But it's got so
much different things going on

in your mind at the time,
you're thinking,

"ls this the right thing to say?
Should I say it now?"

But also, it was almost, like,
last resort.

I knew, "|f| don't do something,
I'm going."

Yeah. I wouldn't say it was
a tactic, but I just wanted to

make sure that it was in the aether,
it was there.

Lisa, how have your congregation
reacted to you being on a show

about treachery and lies?

That's a great question!

Do you know what?
They've been absolutely amazing.

And I think it's really great
because, you know,

I've had so much support from the
congregations and they think

it's fantastic that they've seen
that priests can go out there

and that we're just normal people.
Yeah.

You know, we are flawed human
beings, the same as everybody else.

And they're just excited that they
know someone that's on the telly!

Was it very...? I mean, obviously,
it was a conscious thought,

but to not reveal your collar
straight off the bat?

I thought, a bit like Leanne,
that if I told people in there

that I was a priest
as soon as I went in,

I was going to have a target
on my back straight away.

Because it would be
an ideal opportunity,

"We'll have a priest as a Traitor,"

and it just seems
such an obvious thing to do.

We've seen in previous series,
when people hold something back

and then reveal it, they always get
suspicion straight away.

What made you go, "|'m going to
tell them I'm a priest"?

Because Leanne had got suspicions
about me, and I'd had some

suspicions thrown my way.
And I thought,

"Actually, I've had enough of this."
And I thought, "Now is the time.

"|f I reveal that I'm a priest,
it may flip that the other way."

Makes sense. So that's why I decided
at the time that I'm going to say,

"Right, I'm a priest and I can't...

"And this is why I'm being a bit
flaky, because I don't like

"pointing fingers,"
and all that kind of thing.

So I thought I could actually
flip it to my advantage.

And it worked.
I thought you did it perfectly.

I thought so too. And even that
awkward moment where someone said,

"Well, why did you come into the game
if you're a priest

"and you can't lie?"
And you came straight back with,

"What self-respecting murder mystery
doesn't have a priest?"

I was just like,
"Boof, see you later!

"Absolutely nailed it."

But it's true!

You look at any self-respecting
murder mystery,

there's always a priest in it.

One of my favourite bits
of the whole series so far is

the video of you cheekily pouring
your hip flask into your cup of tea.

Oh, that was funny.
Yes, yes.

ANGELA: I mean, I imagine you might
need to take the edge off

every now and again.
Every now and again.

Imagine, like, marrying people
and going,

"Yeah, this ain't going to last
but I've got to marry them.

"I've got to have a drink
when I get home!"

I mean, I meant in the game,
not in real life! Oh!

Sorry.
"Ugh, a christening again today?"

Yeah!

Having that secret for as long
as you did in there,

did it make you think other people
had secrets?

Because obviously, we've got
Charlotte pretending to be Welsh,

we've got Leanne pretending to be
a nail technician.

This sounds so mad to say out loud!

It's so mad, innit?
I was so...

And she didn't fix my nail!

I was so annoyed about that.

Did she have all her gear
in with her?

Yeah, she said to me,

because I rarely have things
like my nails done,

and I chipped a nail,
and we were talking at one point

and I said, "You know, I've chipped
my nail." And she said,

"Oh, I've got something
that I can repair that with."

And I thought, "Oh, that's great."
Yeah, gunpowder.

Yeah!

We saw everyone's motivations
for winning the cash

at the dinner party.

But you two didn't get to do
that dinner party,

you didn't get to tell us
your motivations.

So could you tell us now, please?

Why did you want to win the money?

Can we start with you, Lisa?

Yeah, there's a particular charity
that's very close to my heart,

that has helped my three sons,
actually.

You're killing me here, Lisa.

I wanted to get a new shed.

Now, the chat continues in your
bonus episode of Uncloaked

over on BBC Sounds.

That means more intel
with Lisa and Leon,

more perspective from Wilf,
and more chat from Angela Scanlon.

We're going to find out
who Wilf would have murdered

and who he who he would have
recruited out of this year's cast.

Plus we want to know what it's like
coming out of such a huge TV show.

What kind of reactions
have Leon and Lisa been getting

from their loved ones?

That's on Sounds right now.
Have a listen on the way to work

before you and your colleagues
make your final week predictions.

Just scan the QR code on your screen
or search for "Uncloaked"

in the BBC Sounds app to find it.

And thank you to Leon, Lisa,
Wilf, and Angela!

Join us for more Uncloaked
after The Traitors episode ten.

The endgame is in sight.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.