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PILOT:
Look at this thing!
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PILOT 2:
It's rotating.
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PILOT 1:
Whoa, got it!
(laughs)
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Woo-hoo!
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(men talking, laughing
on radios)
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What the (bleep) is that thing?
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NARRATOR:
Disturbing videos of U.F.Os.
have been taken
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by some of the best-trained
pilots on the planet.
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We actually have military pilots
who are saying,
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"I saw something
that I don't understand."
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PILOT:
Course unknown
and speed unknown.
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MICK WEST:
We don't know
what they actually saw.
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We only have
their interpretation of it.
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So this is the helmet
that I was wearing.
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(interview):
It would be really irresponsible
to suggest
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that all of these things
are of the same origin,
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that they're of the same
technology,
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that they're
of the same phenomenon.
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We can't say it's aliens, but
we can't say it's not aliens.
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People in
New Jersey are concerned.
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NARRATOR: And what about
the explosion of news reports
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of strange objects
flying over New Jersey?
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Upwards of 49-plus drone
sightings.
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SHELLEY WRIGHT:
As scientists, we also want
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to get to the bottom of this.
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There's an aircraft--
there we go.
Ah, there we go.
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NARRATOR:
"What Are U.F.Os.?"
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Right now, on "NOVA."
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NARRATOR:
In the halls of Congress,
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Navy pilots are speaking out.
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This object remained
for about 45 seconds or so
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before darting off
over the mountains.
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We were seeing objects
with our radars,
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with our cameras,
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and even with our eyes
flying on an almost daily basis.
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DIETRICH:
We're very sensitive
to how things turn
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and how things accelerate
and how things move,
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and this didn't follow
any of those laws of physics.
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NARRATOR: As of 2023,
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military and commercial pilots
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have reported seeing 801 objects
they couldn't identify.
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DIETRICH:
When we're talking about
having an unidentified thing
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in our airspace,
whether it's directly overhead
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or in our coastal waters,
we need to figure out,
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is this an issue
of flight safety?
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Is this an issue of
national security?
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Is this an adversary spying
on us?
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NARRATOR:
Or could it be top-secret tech
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developed right here at home?
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ALEX HOLLINGS:
I can tell you unequivocally
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that the government does keep
secrets when it comes
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to aerospace technology.
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The Pentagon has what
we often call a black budget,
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which can sometimes exceed
$65 billion in a year.
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ALEJANDRO ROJAS:
Even within the military,
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there's never been
a consensus, really,
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that it's this or that or
that it's not extraterrestrial.
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We cannot rule out
extraterrestrials,
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but you have no evidence for it.
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It comes back to the evidence.
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HAKEEM OLUSEYI:
Regular citizens
have been reporting things
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for decades,
and yet we hear nothing
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from the government
about what this may be.
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SHELLEY WRIGHT:
And now that we have
more observations,
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more cameras, more cell phones
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that are taking pictures
of phenomenon in our atmosphere,
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scientists need to come forward
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and talk about how
we can identify these objects.
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MICHAEL WONG:
In science, we encounter
anomalies all the time.
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And it's our job
to try to figure out
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what those anomalies are telling
us about the universe.
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NARRATOR:
This isn't the first time
unidentified flying objects
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have captured our imagination
and startled the world.
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It was back in the 1940s
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that sightings started
piling up.
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June 24, 1947.
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As he flew near Mt. Rainier
in Washington State,
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pilot Kenneth Arnold
spotted something strange.
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ROJAS:
As he was flying around,
he said he saw these objects
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glinting off of the sun.
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Because they moved like they
were skipping off of water,
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the term "flying saucer"
came about.
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At the time, there were
other people having sightings,
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but this is the one
that just really kind of
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ignite this interest
in the public about U.F.Os.
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NARRATOR:
From New York to California,
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people started to report
seeing flying saucers
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just about everywhere.
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Sightings were spreading
like wildfire.
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HOLLINGS:
Culture informs
our understanding
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of the world around us.
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If you expect to see a U.F.O.
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that looks like a pie tin,
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well, when you see something
unusual in the sky
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that you have trouble discerning
what it was,
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your brain may be more apt
to say,
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"That looked like a pie tin."
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NARRATOR:
It may seem strange
that in the 1940s and '50s,
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so many Americans were suddenly
spotting objects in the sky.
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(explosion roars)
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But with the Cold War
in full swing,
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it was a time
of heightened anxiety and worry
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about new threats overhead.
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This was a time period in which
there was a lot
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of military technology
development.
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Coming out of World War II,
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we have developed radar.
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SEAN KIRKPATRICK:
This was the first major war
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where air power
was a huge player,
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and there was a lot
of unknown tech emerging.
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All of these things kind of
came together.
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And then, of course, you had
the Roswell incident.
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NARRATOR:
Roswell, New Mexico.
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A rancher came across
another piece
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of the flying saucer puzzle.
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ROJAS:
Essentially,
this ranch hand comes in,
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says, "I found this material."
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They send a couple
of Air Force people
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from Roswell Army Airfield out
to take a look.
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One of them says, "Hey,
I think this stuff was weird."
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They take the material
to Fort Worth.
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Fort Worth says it was
obviously a weather balloon.
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Story's over.
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NARRATOR:
But the public wasn't buying it.
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And Hollywood saw an opportunity
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to run with a captivating story:
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aliens-- sometimes friendly
and sometimes not--
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were visiting planet Earth.
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HAQQ-MISRA:
The lack of answers
by the government
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did leave a void,
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and Hollywood
and, and entertainment
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certainly filled that void.
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FILM NARRATOR:
"Earth vs. The Flying Saucers."
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HAQQ-MISRA:
And we are left
with a wide assortment
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of scenarios imagining
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contact with aliens,
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with saucers,
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or aliens on the moon or Mars,
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or alien invasions
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that are quite dramatic.
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FILM NARRATOR: What are they?
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Where do they come from?
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Certainly, this can
instill a lot of fear in people.
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(screaming)
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In the absence of scientists
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or other authoritative voices
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filling the gap
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and, and explaining
what's going on,
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all we heard
from the authorities was,
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"There's nothing to see here."
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NARRATOR:
But behind the scenes,
the military was investigating.
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HAQQ-MISRA:
Probably the most significant
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historical investigation
of U.F.Os.
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by the government
was Project Blue Book.
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It investigated thousands and
thousands of U.F.O. sightings.
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NARRATOR:
For more than 20 years,
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military investigators and
scientists scrutinized the data,
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looking for answers.
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What are all these objects?
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Do any of them present
a clear and present danger?
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Scientists like
astronomer J. Allen Hynek
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were brought in to help
the Air Force connect the dots.
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ROJAS:
Dr. J. Allen Hynek
was the consultant
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for the Air Force from 1947
all the way to 1969,
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the entire time they were
investigating this topic.
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He was a skeptic himself
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because of that early
association with aliens
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and little green men.
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So when they approached him,
he's, like,
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"I'll do this,
but I'm going to easily
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"be able to debunk this
in no time,
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because this is just silliness."
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NARRATOR:
Project Blue Book ended in 1969,
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when the Air Force
released the Condon Report.
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After investigating more than
12,000 U.F.O. sightings,
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701 remained unidentified.
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When you've not explained
that much of your data,
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as a scientist,
that's not acceptable.
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NARRATOR:
And it wasn't acceptable
for Hynek.
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He'd had a change of heart
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that would last a lifetime.
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ROJAS:
He started to see that there was
data there that indicates
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that not all of these
are easily solvable,
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and that they do deserve
investigation.
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But he would stay away
from the alien side of things.
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He would try to focus on,
you know, "This is a mystery
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we don't understand."
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But it's just too difficult
to do,
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because the media
and the public just can't
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disassociate those things,
the aliens and the U.F.Os.
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OLUSEYI:
This created an environment
that scientists
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and any serious person
did not want to go near it.
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So aliens were right in there
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with ghosts, the Loch Ness
Monster, Bigfoot--
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it was all part of this,
the unknown, spooky stuff
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that probably ain't true.
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NARRATOR:
Because of this stigma,
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today, the Department of Defense
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refers to these Unidentified
Flying Objects, U.F.Os.,
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as U.A.Ps.-- Unidentified
Anomalous Phenomena.
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DIETRICH:
They changed it from U.F.O.
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to U.A.P. to try to reduce that
stigma,
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to try to get away from that
history,
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that historical trigger
that happens in our brains.
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WRIGHT:
The word U.F.O., unfortunately,
has become a taboo word
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within the scientific community.
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It's actually been a disservice
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to our community and our society
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for not trying to teach and
communicate
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about what actually is in the
night sky.
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NARRATOR:
There's no shortage of things
in the night sky
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that can seem strange.
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Some are natural,
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like the colors
of the Northern Lights,
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the beauty of a meteor shower,
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planet Venus in the night sky.
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Even clouds that form
strange saucer-like shapes.
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And plenty that are
not-so-natural wonders.
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KENNETH HARRIS II:
Right now above my head
are planes.
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You can hear a helicopter
flying over.
(helicopter flying past)
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There's probably some drones
up there, too.
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And if you're in the right place
at the right time,
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you can probably even see
some satellites up there,
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because there's
a lot of stuff out there
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that might not be as strange
as you think it is.
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VIDEOGRAPHER 1: So weird,
that's not a plane.
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KIRKPATRICK: The number
of things that are
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in our sky today
are thousands.
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VIDEOGRAPHER 2: Oh, my God.
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VIDEOGRAPHER 3:
Now it's not moving at all.
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It's hovering right there.
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WRIGHT:
We have weather balloons.
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1,800 of them are launched daily
around the world.
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You can actually see things in
Earth's orbit
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from the ground.
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You can see, for instance,
the International Space Station
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at night, flying overhead.
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And if you see
a cluster of lights
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traveling across the night sky,
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they're probably part
of a satellite system
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called Starlink.
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KIRKPATRICK:
When Starlink launches
a 60-satellite string,
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people look at that and go,
"I don't know what that is."
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And it looks really weird
and concerning.
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Technology, I think, has created
much more clutter in the sky
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and an ability for us
to misinterpret things.
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HAQQ-MISRA:
There's a lot in our sky,
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and if we're studying U.F.Os.,
of course,
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you have to know
what's in the sky that is known
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before you can identify
what's unknown.
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NARRATOR:
That's especially difficult
when it comes
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to some of the strangest
sightings ever made...
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(man speaking on radio)
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NARRATOR:
...those videos taken
by Navy pilots.
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One of the most famous
is nicknamed "the Gimbal."
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We recorded the Gimbal object
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when we were down off the coast
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of Jacksonville, Florida, aboard
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the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt
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in 2015.
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NARRATOR: Former F/A-18 pilot
Ryan Graves will never forget
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what some pilots in his squadron
told him
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about their bizarre
U.A.P. experience.
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The event unfolded
during a night training mission.
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PILOT: This is a (bleep)
drone, bro.
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They see something strange.
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They've been closing on it
for a couple of minutes
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as they fly towards it
to better understand it.
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It has to be a drone--
that's the logical thing.
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No one's out there saying it's
U.F.Os. or aliens or whatever.
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It's just an unknown thing.
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And what is it?
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NARRATOR:
While their camera only captures
the image of one object,
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their radar tells
a more complex story.
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PILOT 2: There's a whole fleet
of them-- look on the S.A.
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PILOT 1:
My gosh.
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GRAVES:
As they gather more information,
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and they see a, a whole fleet
of them on their radar,
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it's harder to understand
what they're seeing.
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And you can hear that
in their voices.
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PILOT 2: They're all going
against the wind.
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The wind's 120 knots
from the west.
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PILOT 1:
Look at that thing, dude.
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NARRATOR:
Then the object does something
downright bizarre.
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PILOT 1:
Look at this thing!
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PILOT 2:
It's rotating.
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GRAVES:
You see the object appears
to rotate,
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and then the video cuts out
at that point.
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(sighs):
You know, so, I don't know
what the Gimbal is.
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We still don't know what it is.
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NARRATOR:
There's no doubt many
of the recordings of U.F.Os.
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made by Navy pilots
look very strange.
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To try to decode them,
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it's crucial to understand
the kinds of sensors
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and cameras being used.
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So the vast majority
of the evidence
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that's excited
the public imagination
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about these videos
comes in the form
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of infrared imagery.
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NARRATOR:
Imagery taken with an onboard
infrared camera system
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called ATFLIR.
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Sean Kirkpatrick,
former director
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of the government's department
in charge
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of investigating U.A.Ps...
What is it reflecting...
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NARRATOR:
...and engineer Josh Semeter
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explore how the world looks
in infrared light
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with the help of Teledyne
engineer Donnell Lago.
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So what you have here is,
you got
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the visible on this side here,
it's a 4K visible image,
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and then the thermal
on this side.
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NARRATOR:
On the right side of the screen,
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the camera
is capturing visible light:
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light the human eye can see.
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But on the left side,
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the Boston skyline
looks radically different,
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because this is a thermal image,
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taken with an infrared camera
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that detects variations
in temperature.
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The cars on the bridge
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are emitting more heat
than the background.
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The more heat an object emits,
the whiter it appears.
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The less, the darker it gets.
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And can you switch that?
Yes, we can invert it.
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We can make everything that's
black hot
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and everything that's white
cold.
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And that's exactly
what we see our pilots doing.
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Pilots, when they see
things,
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they will toggle
back and forth
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so that they can try
to get the best contrast...
Mm.
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...to try to figure out what
they're looking at, you know.
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So why don't we try and
see if we can see any aircraft?
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NARRATOR:
Even on a hazy day like this...
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There's an aircraft,
there we go.
Ah, there we go.
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NARRATOR:
...it doesn't take long
to spot one.
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KIRKPATRICK:
There is an aircraft
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that you can't tell,
in the infrared, is an aircraft.
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Mm-mm.
But in the visible,
I sure can.
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Yep. Exactly.
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All right?
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And now, why don't we switch it
to black is hot?
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Play the same game,
yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
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Play the same game
and see what it looks like.
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LAGO: There's a plane there.
SEMETER: Mm-hmm,
oh, there we go.
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There's a plane, there's
a plane, there's a plane.
Okay, yep.
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There we go.
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KIRKPATRICK:
There you go.
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SEMETER:
I saw this just little dot
tripping through the field.
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And I was only looking
at the infrared camera.
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And Sean, who was watching
the visual camera
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next door, said, "There's an
airplane."
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And I looked over
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and this enormous aircraft
was moving through the scene.
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KIRKPATRICK:
It's just a blob.
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LAGO:
Just a little blob, yeah.
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So that was an image
of the engine.
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LAGO: Yeah.
KIRKPATRICK: That's basically
all you saw-- you didn't see
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the rest of the fuselage.
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The world looks
very different
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in the infrared
versus the visible.
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NARRATOR:
Exploring the deceptive nature
of infrared light
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provides scientists
with valuable clues
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to why a plane could take on
an otherworldly shape.
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But it doesn't explain
why the Gimbal
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seems to move in ways
that defy physics.
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The Gimbal video is one of
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the most famous U.F.O. videos,
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and with good reason, I think,
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because it looks like a
flying saucer.
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NARRATOR:
U.F.O. investigator and
conspiracy debunker Mick West
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spent years analyzing
the Gimbal video
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frame by frame,
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clue by clue.
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The interesting thing
about the Gimbal video,
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besides it being
a flying saucer,
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is this rotation it does.
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And this was very puzzling.
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It took a long time
to figure out
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what might be going on there.
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NARRATOR:
Mick brings a unique set
of skills to this challenge.
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(characters exclaiming
and grunting)
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WEST:
I used to program video games
many years ago.
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I really enjoy the process
of solving puzzles,
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and I use my 3D geometry
and trigonometry
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and algebra and all the skills
that I use in games programming
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to analyze the U.F.Os.
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NARRATOR:
Mick starts his investigation
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of the Gimbal by combing through
publicly available information.
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The plane that captured
the Gimbal video is an F/A-18,
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equipped with an infrared camera
mounted beneath the wing
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in a targeting pod.
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Next,
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he builds a simulation
of the plane and the camera,
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which is on a device
called a gimbal.
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The gimbal enables the camera
to rotate as it tracks a target.
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But the camera isn't
the only thing in motion.
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The pilot's display reveals
that the object is also moving,
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from the left side of the plane
to the right.
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WEST:
To track something
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going from left to right,
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which is what we're seeing here,
the camera actually
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has to rotate, and it has
to rotate a specific amount
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as it traverses over
from one side to the other.
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NARRATOR:
Using the simulation
he's created,
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Mick makes
a surprising discovery.
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WEST:
The amount the gimbal rotates
and the time it rotates
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is exactly what would be needed
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for the camera
to track this object.
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NARRATOR:
He's come up with a theory
about why the object
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appears to rotate,
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and sets up an experiment
to demonstrate how it works,
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using his cell phone
and his desk lamp.
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WEST:
Take your cell phone
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and point the camera at a, a
bright light, a single light.
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And then rotate your cell phone.
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So you've got a rotating camera,
but nothing is rotating,
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except the artifacts
of the camera.
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So if you have a glare,
like an artifact of the camera,
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when the camera rotates,
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the scene itself doesn't
rotate, but the glare rotates.
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And I think that's what we're
seeing in the Gimbal video.
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It's possibly
something like a distant plane,
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something that's hot
off in the distance.
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The heat of the engine was kind
of pointing towards the camera,
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and that kind of bloomed
in the camera
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and created this glare
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that was so big,
it obscured the entire plane.
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NARRATOR:
But not everyone agrees
with this theory.
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I want to be clear that that's
entirely possible,
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but I personally
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don't find that particularly
likely.
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The reason for that is strictly,
this FLIR system
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is something that military
personnel are trained to use
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to identify
adversary and friendly aircraft.
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NARRATOR:
Pilots are well aware
of how the gimbal system works,
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as well as the nature of common
camera artifacts, like glare.
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GRAVES:
I don't think
this was a distant plane.
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I do believe it was an object
that was about
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four to six miles away from the
fighter aircraft,
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not a distant jet at 30 nautical
miles away.
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If it was a distant jet,
where would it come from?
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Why were we not receiving
any indications
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that it was or was not part
of our strike group?
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NARRATOR:
In 2021,
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the Department of Defense
formed AARO,
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the All-domain Anomaly
Resolution Office,
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to investigate U.A.Ps.
like the Gimbal.
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To date, AARO considers
this case "unresolved."
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So for us, anything
that remains unidentified
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is a severe threat that we
should be paying attention to
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as tactical aviators,
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because that's exactly what
we're training to identify.
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NARRATOR:
The Gimbal isn't the only U.A.P.
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that appears to defy
the laws of physics.
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2013, just after dark
at the airport
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in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico.
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U.S. Customs and Border Control
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captured this video
of an oddly behaving object.
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KIRKPATRICK:
It looks like the object
is traveling quickly.
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It looks like it's disappearing
into the water
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and coming out of the water,
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and disappearing again,
coming out,
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and it's splitting into two,
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and kind of
disappearing completely.
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Enthusiasts will point to that
and say
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that is evidence of warp drives
or interdimensional drives
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and that it's transmedium
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because it's going in and out of
the water.
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Let me see.
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NARRATOR: But could there be
another reason
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that's more down to Earth?
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So let's do this as
a controlled experiment.
484
00:23:12,233 --> 00:23:14,100
NARRATOR:
Engineer Josh Semeter
485
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,900
enlists the help
of Sean Kirkpatrick,
486
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,666
former director of AARO,
to cook up an idea:
487
00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:25,800
can they recreate this
disappearing act in the lab
488
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,133
with a knife, spoon, and fork
489
00:23:28,133 --> 00:23:32,400
and two surrogate U.F.Os.?
490
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,100
What I thought
we'd try to use
491
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,733
to do this is
a infrared sensor.
492
00:23:35,733 --> 00:23:38,733
It just clips on like so.
493
00:23:38,733 --> 00:23:41,433
NARRATOR:
They set it up on a tripod,
494
00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:44,400
take a look, and see
495
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,400
absolutely nothing.
496
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,333
SEMETER:
We're not seeing anything
at all
497
00:23:49,333 --> 00:23:51,533
in these objects.
498
00:23:51,533 --> 00:23:53,933
NARRATOR: Sean takes the spoon
and fork, along with
499
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,500
one of the U.A.P. surrogates,
500
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,800
and puts them in a cooler.
501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600
For just about--
what do you think, Josh?
502
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,533
A second? Ten seconds?
Yeah.
503
00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:05,200
It doesn't take long--
I'd say ten seconds.
504
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,800
It's more than enough.
505
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,433
NARRATOR:
About ten seconds later,
give or take...
506
00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:12,266
KIRKPATRICK:
All right, let's take them out
and see what they look like.
507
00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:15,266
Put that
508
00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:16,966
right back where they were.
509
00:24:16,966 --> 00:24:18,366
And what do we got?
510
00:24:18,366 --> 00:24:19,800
SEMETER:
Well, there's
three objects there.
511
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,466
Wow, that's pretty
stark.
512
00:24:21,466 --> 00:24:23,166
NARRATOR:
We can see the fork and spoon,
513
00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:27,000
along with one
of the U.F.O. surrogates.
514
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,200
SEMETER:
And...
515
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,666
KIRKPATRICK:
I don't see the other two.
516
00:24:29,666 --> 00:24:31,233
Cannot find
the other two.
517
00:24:31,233 --> 00:24:32,533
But they are clearly
there.
518
00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:35,266
NARRATOR:
But over the next few minutes,
519
00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:38,100
they gradually disappear again.
520
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,900
The question is, why?
521
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:42,300
SEMETER:
There is a tendency
522
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,533
for objects that are
at different temperatures,
523
00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:47,433
when they're in contact,
to eventually reach
524
00:24:47,433 --> 00:24:49,066
the same temperature
as one another.
525
00:24:49,066 --> 00:24:52,166
NARRATOR:
It's not a magic trick.
526
00:24:52,166 --> 00:24:55,100
For an object to show up
in infrared light,
527
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,133
it must be
a different temperature
528
00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:59,600
than objects
it is in contact with.
529
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,966
So, when the fork and spoon
exchanged thermal energy
530
00:25:03,966 --> 00:25:07,833
with the table,
thermal equilibrium is reached,
531
00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:11,733
making them invisible
in infrared light.
532
00:25:11,733 --> 00:25:14,866
And that brings us back
533
00:25:14,866 --> 00:25:18,533
to the disappearing objects
in the Puerto Rico video,
534
00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:23,800
which were also captured
with an infrared sensor.
535
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,933
As the object becomes the same
536
00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:29,266
either temperature or irradiance
as the background,
537
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,966
you won't be able to see it.
538
00:25:31,966 --> 00:25:33,600
It'll become nearly invisible,
539
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,566
and it looks like it disappears.
540
00:25:36,566 --> 00:25:40,166
NARRATOR:
After months of carefully
analyzing the video,
541
00:25:40,166 --> 00:25:44,133
scientists think
they have an answer.
542
00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:45,866
KIRKPATRICK:
We think they're two birds,
543
00:25:45,866 --> 00:25:47,400
and when they get close
to the water,
544
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,000
the effect on the sensor
kicks in,
545
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,633
where it's having a hard time
distinguishing the contrast
546
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,966
between the background
and the birds,
547
00:25:54,966 --> 00:25:56,800
and they look like
they disappear,
548
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,233
and then they reappear
549
00:25:58,233 --> 00:25:59,933
because the reflectance changes,
and then they separate,
550
00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,600
and then it looks like
they land in the water.
551
00:26:04,133 --> 00:26:05,766
NARRATOR:
This demo doesn't capture
552
00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:08,333
all the conditions
of this sighting,
553
00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:09,933
but Sean and Josh believe
554
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,400
that shifts in temperature
and reflection
555
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,900
might explain
the apparent disappearing act.
556
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,366
SEMETER:
I'm satisfied
with that explanation,
557
00:26:19,366 --> 00:26:21,566
because that's how a scientist
speaks
558
00:26:21,566 --> 00:26:24,433
with respect to some phenomenon
that's not known.
559
00:26:24,433 --> 00:26:26,700
We don't speak in certainty.
560
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,066
So, for instance,
561
00:26:28,066 --> 00:26:30,266
if one were to say,
562
00:26:30,266 --> 00:26:32,900
"That is either
563
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,500
"two birds flying over the ocean
564
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:40,100
"or it is a alien
anti-gravity technology
565
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:44,233
exhibiting transmedium
characteristics,"
566
00:26:44,233 --> 00:26:47,133
I choose the bird explanation.
567
00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,500
NARRATOR:
The sighting in Puerto Rico
568
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,200
might simply be two birds,
569
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,333
and the Gimbal video might be
a distant plane,
570
00:26:59,333 --> 00:27:01,966
but one of the
most famous U.F.O. sightings
571
00:27:01,966 --> 00:27:05,400
has been even more challenging
for investigators.
572
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,666
DIETRICH:
I was an eyewitness
573
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,266
to what is considered
574
00:27:09,266 --> 00:27:10,766
one of the most important
575
00:27:10,766 --> 00:27:14,300
U.F.O. or U.A.P. encounters,
576
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:18,200
and that's the U.S.S. Nimitz-
Tic Tac encounter.
577
00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:22,633
NARRATOR:
November 14, 2004.
578
00:27:23,833 --> 00:27:26,933
About a hundred miles southwest
of San Diego,
579
00:27:26,933 --> 00:27:31,266
Alex Dietrich, then
a young aviator-in-training,
580
00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,100
along with her
commanding officer,
581
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,566
David Fravor, a seasoned pilot
582
00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:39,466
with more than a decade
of flying under his belt,
583
00:27:39,466 --> 00:27:44,466
set out on a routine
training exercise.
584
00:27:44,466 --> 00:27:47,200
DIETRICH: It was clear blue
skies, calm waters,
585
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,633
when we get a call
by this controller,
586
00:27:51,633 --> 00:27:53,333
kind of like
an air traffic controller
587
00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:54,900
for our military exercise,
588
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:57,600
and they say,
"Hey, we need you to go
589
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,933
and check out this contact
over here."
590
00:28:00,166 --> 00:28:02,833
NARRATOR: The radar on one of
the ships in the strike group
591
00:28:02,833 --> 00:28:06,366
had detected an unknown object.
592
00:28:06,366 --> 00:28:10,300
And this is 2004,
just a few years after 9/11.
593
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,033
The hair on the back of our neck
stands up,
594
00:28:12,033 --> 00:28:13,700
and we go, "Hm, okay."
595
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:17,533
And we divert
and we head towards it.
596
00:28:17,533 --> 00:28:21,100
♪ ♪
597
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:25,000
And we don't see anything
initially.
598
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,233
But somebody sees a disturbance
in the water,
599
00:28:28,233 --> 00:28:32,966
and this strange thing is flying
600
00:28:32,966 --> 00:28:35,566
very fast but erratically
601
00:28:35,566 --> 00:28:39,333
over the, this area of,
of water.
602
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:42,700
It was off-white.
603
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,866
You know, sort of a, a white,
creamish color.
604
00:28:45,866 --> 00:28:49,033
We didn't see a cockpit,
we didn't see windows,
605
00:28:49,033 --> 00:28:50,833
and it moved in ways
that we didn't understand.
606
00:28:50,833 --> 00:28:54,533
NARRATOR: Dietrich and Fravor
returned to the Nimitz
607
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:58,800
without taking video
of the object,
608
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,066
so another aircraft
went in pursuit
609
00:29:01,066 --> 00:29:04,833
and captured this.
610
00:29:04,833 --> 00:29:07,500
DIETRICH:
We call it affectionately
a Tic Tac,
611
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,933
because it looks like
the little breath mint.
612
00:29:12,766 --> 00:29:17,166
NARRATOR:
Mick West decides
to take on the challenge,
613
00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:20,566
to see if he can make sense
of the movement of the Tic Tac.
614
00:29:20,566 --> 00:29:22,400
WEST:
It's a very blurry video.
615
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,666
I think it's actually
out of focus,
616
00:29:24,666 --> 00:29:27,133
and it's not actually doing
anything.
617
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,700
It's just basically flying away
618
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,900
and a bit to the left
619
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:33,700
in more or less
a straightish line.
620
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:34,933
But the thing is,
621
00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:36,900
David Fravor's description
is very dramatic.
622
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,600
NARRATOR: In fact,
623
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,466
when Commander David Fravor
624
00:29:40,466 --> 00:29:43,700
testified before Congress
in 2023,
625
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,166
he described an object that,
626
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,966
in his 18 years of flying,
627
00:29:47,966 --> 00:29:50,266
traveled at speeds
628
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:51,900
he'd never seen before.
629
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,266
FRAVOR:
As we looked around,
630
00:29:53,266 --> 00:29:54,533
we saw a white Tic Tac object
631
00:29:54,533 --> 00:29:57,000
with a longitudinal axis
pointing north-south
632
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,200
and moving very abruptly
over the water,
633
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,400
like a Ping-Pong ball.
634
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,966
WEST:
He talks about the object
635
00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:04,700
kind of Ping-Ponging around
close to the ocean,
636
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,700
and then doing
this very difficult
637
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,966
synchronized movement
up towards the top.
638
00:30:08,966 --> 00:30:11,866
♪ ♪
639
00:30:11,866 --> 00:30:13,733
I'm going to tie it off
over here.
640
00:30:13,733 --> 00:30:15,600
NARRATOR:
Mick conducts an experiment
641
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,566
based solely on the pilots'
eyewitness reports,
642
00:30:19,566 --> 00:30:22,666
using his backyard swimming pool
643
00:30:22,666 --> 00:30:25,266
and his version of the Tic Tac.
644
00:30:25,266 --> 00:30:27,766
WEST:
Yeah, I made the Tic Tac
out of a piece of wood
645
00:30:27,766 --> 00:30:29,966
and some bits of white wire
and painted it white.
646
00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:34,733
NARRATOR:
He suspends his Tic Tac
over the swimming pool...
647
00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:36,266
WEST:
About there.
648
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,700
NARRATOR:
...climbs up a ladder
with his phone,
649
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,966
and starts recording.
650
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,366
WEST:
So, what I set up
651
00:30:44,366 --> 00:30:47,233
with the pool demo
is just a good illustration
652
00:30:47,233 --> 00:30:49,733
of what might have happened
to try to figure out,
653
00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:51,166
what's actually moving here?
654
00:30:52,633 --> 00:30:56,033
Is this object moving
or is the camera moving?
655
00:30:56,033 --> 00:30:58,900
Because we don't have
any frame of reference,
656
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,533
we've just got the pool
behind it,
657
00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:01,733
and so you kind of zoom in
a little bit,
658
00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:03,866
so all you see is the pool,
659
00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:05,933
it really looks like the object
is moving.
660
00:31:05,933 --> 00:31:08,933
NARRATOR:
Even though it's not.
661
00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:12,000
It's only the camera
that's moving.
662
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,533
WEST:
It's a good illustration
of parallax,
663
00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:16,800
which, as we know,
664
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,700
is one of the big causes
of optical illusions.
665
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,266
♪ ♪
666
00:31:21,266 --> 00:31:23,266
NARRATOR:
You may have experienced
this illusion
667
00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:24,633
looking out the window
of a train.
668
00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:28,166
The trees
just outside the window
669
00:31:28,166 --> 00:31:30,100
appear to be moving in relation
670
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,200
to the landscape
in the background,
671
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,033
but the only thing
that's actually moving is you.
672
00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,700
OLUSEYI:
We're not reliable--
our eyes are not reliable.
673
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,600
If you're going to court,
674
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,333
and you're the accused,
675
00:31:43,333 --> 00:31:45,466
and it's a eyewitness testimony
676
00:31:45,466 --> 00:31:47,733
that's going to, you know,
the big evidence
677
00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:49,133
against you, good luck.
678
00:31:49,133 --> 00:31:50,866
♪ ♪
679
00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:52,266
HOLLINGS:
So, when a military aviator,
680
00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:53,866
especially someone like
Commander Fravor,
681
00:31:53,866 --> 00:31:55,500
with combat experience,
682
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,133
says that they saw something
in the sky
683
00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:01,600
that they can't quite explain,
that operated in a way
684
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,433
that seemed to contradict
what they understand
685
00:32:04,433 --> 00:32:06,766
the laws of physics
would dictate,
686
00:32:06,766 --> 00:32:09,566
I tend to give
those witness testimonies
687
00:32:09,566 --> 00:32:12,700
a great deal of credence,
because these aviators
688
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,566
are not just
highly trained pilots,
689
00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,433
they're highly trained
combatants.
690
00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:18,733
The pilot observation is,
691
00:32:18,733 --> 00:32:20,600
"I see something."
692
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,533
The data we need
693
00:32:22,533 --> 00:32:24,600
is what the sensor is gathering.
694
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,066
And that's the numbers
we actually need.
695
00:32:27,066 --> 00:32:29,700
KIRKPATRICK:
In the case of the Tic Tac,
696
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,866
the pilot did see something,
697
00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,033
but some of the
key technical questions
698
00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,066
hadn't been investigated
at the time,
699
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:38,966
and trying
to investigate those now
700
00:32:38,966 --> 00:32:41,733
is not going to give us
a whole lot,
701
00:32:41,733 --> 00:32:43,600
because there's nothing
to really examine.
702
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,933
The farther back in time you go,
703
00:32:46,933 --> 00:32:50,533
the less data there is
for every one of these cases.
704
00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:53,766
And back in 2004,
705
00:32:53,766 --> 00:32:56,600
there was no
data retention policy
706
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,133
for these kinds of events.
707
00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:01,900
Side... Yeah.
SEMETER: This one?
Yeah, so, we're looking...
708
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,900
NARRATOR:
According to Sean Kirkpatrick,
709
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,033
the radar data from the incident
no longer exists,
710
00:33:07,033 --> 00:33:08,700
so we'll never know
711
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:14,366
if it would support or rule out
Mick's parallax theory.
712
00:33:14,366 --> 00:33:16,133
DIETRICH:
I don't know what we saw,
713
00:33:16,133 --> 00:33:18,400
and I refuse to speculate,
714
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,033
because I think it would be
irresponsible of me to say,
715
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:23,800
you know,
"Well, it was definitely
716
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,433
an adversary spying on us,"
717
00:33:25,433 --> 00:33:28,066
or, "It was definitely an alien
718
00:33:28,066 --> 00:33:31,033
visiting from outer space,"
because I don't know.
719
00:33:32,666 --> 00:33:36,500
NARRATOR:
For Alex, that was the end
of the Tic Tac story.
720
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,200
DIETRICH:
And then I went on
with my life,
721
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,566
my career, and I didn't
really think about it.
722
00:33:40,566 --> 00:33:45,066
NARRATOR:
That is, until 13 years later,
723
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:48,300
when "The New York Times"
published this article
724
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,033
with links to the Tic Tac
and Gimbal videos.
725
00:33:52,033 --> 00:33:54,800
When "The New York Times"
released this story,
726
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,500
it really gave the whole topic
a bit of credibility,
727
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,466
where a lot of people saw it
as taboo and sort of silly,
728
00:34:01,466 --> 00:34:03,366
but if the U.S. government
has been investing
729
00:34:03,366 --> 00:34:04,900
tens of millions of dollars
730
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,800
into investigating
these reports,
731
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,766
there seems like
there could be something to it.
732
00:34:09,933 --> 00:34:12,166
HAQQ-MISRA:
People are interested
733
00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:13,900
in this topic of U.F.Os.,
734
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:15,933
and Congress has begun to get
involved.
735
00:34:15,933 --> 00:34:16,933
There's been a couple
736
00:34:16,933 --> 00:34:18,733
of congressional hearings
737
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:20,533
calling expert witnesses
738
00:34:20,533 --> 00:34:22,933
to try and figure out
what's going on here.
739
00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:23,966
NICK LANGWORTHY:
In your belief,
740
00:34:23,966 --> 00:34:25,733
is this,
741
00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:27,600
this flying Tic Tac,
I mean, is this,
742
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,133
is it capable of being
743
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:32,500
the product of any other nation
on the Earth?
744
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,900
No, I, actually, I think it
defies current material science
745
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,066
and the ability to develop
that much propulsion.
746
00:34:38,066 --> 00:34:39,766
And I know there's
been some physicists
747
00:34:39,766 --> 00:34:41,366
who have done calculations,
which is beyond
748
00:34:41,366 --> 00:34:42,900
anything that we have.
749
00:34:44,233 --> 00:34:46,400
NARRATOR:
Should we be concerned
that some U.F.Os.
750
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,500
are advanced technologies
from out of this world?
751
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:55,533
Or secret technologies
developed by our adversaries?
752
00:34:55,533 --> 00:34:58,833
Or could there be another reason
753
00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:03,666
U.F.Os. have remained so elusive
for decades?
754
00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:08,666
Remember, back in 1947,
in Roswell, New Mexico,
755
00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:12,766
when a rancher found
strange debris in his pasture?
756
00:35:12,766 --> 00:35:15,733
The Air Force said it was
from a weather balloon.
757
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:18,433
But, as it turns out,
758
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:21,500
it was part of a classified
U.S. military program
759
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,400
called Project Mogul.
760
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,833
ROJAS:
The Air Force launched
these balloons,
761
00:35:27,833 --> 00:35:29,366
and they had these sensors
on them
762
00:35:29,366 --> 00:35:31,100
where they can measure
vibrations in the air
763
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,466
to be able to monitor
Russian nuclear testing.
764
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:38,200
The general in Fort Worth,
Texas, decided,
765
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,000
"I'm going to cover up
this classified project,
766
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,300
"and I'm going
to show the public
767
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,266
that what we recovered
was a weather balloon."
768
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,266
NARRATOR:
It would take half a century
769
00:35:49,266 --> 00:35:51,000
for the Air Force to admit
770
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,833
exactly what had crashed
in Roswell.
771
00:35:54,833 --> 00:35:56,200
So there was a cover-up,
772
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,966
but it was a cover-up
of a classified project,
773
00:35:57,966 --> 00:36:02,500
not, you know,
an alien spacecraft.
774
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,700
The secrecy
led to the conspiracy,
775
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,533
and certainly the Air Force
did not help themselves
776
00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:13,900
by being secret and dismissive
of the topic.
777
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,400
NARRATOR:
When it comes
to government cover-ups,
778
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,966
perhaps the most infamous
is Area 51.
779
00:36:21,966 --> 00:36:23,966
Tales of alien spacecraft
780
00:36:23,966 --> 00:36:26,900
hidden inside
this remote Air Force base
781
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,733
about 83 miles
northwest of Las Vegas
782
00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:32,700
have persisted for decades.
783
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,733
It turns out, the military
has been secretly
784
00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:39,366
developing cutting-edge
technology here
785
00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:41,000
since the 1950s,
786
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,100
but did not even acknowledge
the existence of the base
787
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,633
until 2013.
788
00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,733
HOLLINGS:
There are lots of aircraft
789
00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:52,166
we know have been tested
at Area 51
790
00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:54,233
entirely in secret at the time,
791
00:36:54,233 --> 00:36:56,000
including the F-117,
792
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,966
the SR-71,
793
00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,833
the B-2 Spirit, and many more.
794
00:37:00,833 --> 00:37:02,600
Right around the same time
795
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,666
the B-2 Spirit
was in development,
796
00:37:04,666 --> 00:37:07,900
common sightings of U.F.Os.
around the United States
797
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:11,200
tended to transition away
from the pie saucer shape
798
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,133
we were familiar with
in earlier decades
799
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:16,266
and toward
a more triangular shape.
800
00:37:16,266 --> 00:37:20,800
This is a model of
what people claim was the TR-3B,
801
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,700
which is a legendary aircraft
that people allege was built
802
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,266
using reverse-engineered
alien technology.
803
00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:31,000
NARRATOR:
By the 1990s,
804
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
rumors of triangular-shaped
spacecraft
805
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,400
became so widespread,
806
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,966
they became part
of popular culture.
807
00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:40,700
Blockbusters like "The X-Files"
808
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,466
featured a triangular-shaped
alien spacecraft
809
00:37:44,466 --> 00:37:47,366
hovering over
Agent Fox Mulder's head.
810
00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:48,933
♪ ♪
811
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:50,733
HOLLINGS:
I think the government
should and does
812
00:37:50,733 --> 00:37:52,666
expect that the public is going
813
00:37:52,666 --> 00:37:54,300
to fill in the blanks
as they see fit.
814
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,200
As long as people are talking
815
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,266
about aliens operating
out of Area 51,
816
00:37:59,266 --> 00:38:01,533
well, then, they're
not revealing anything
817
00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:03,433
about the legitimate
military platforms
818
00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:04,600
that are being tested there.
819
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,566
It creates a bit
of a smokescreen.
820
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:10,800
OLUSEYI:
There's always
821
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,433
advanced technological programs
going on
822
00:38:13,433 --> 00:38:16,566
that are on a need-to-know
basis.
823
00:38:16,566 --> 00:38:18,500
If you don't need to know,
even if you are
824
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:20,966
a member of the government
or the military,
825
00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:22,200
you're not going to know.
826
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,366
And that's the way it should be.
827
00:38:23,366 --> 00:38:25,166
♪ ♪
828
00:38:25,166 --> 00:38:27,266
KIRKPATRICK:
This is all about
spy versus spy
829
00:38:27,266 --> 00:38:29,600
or military versus military
830
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200
to maintain technical
superiority.
831
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,766
We don't want other people
to learn what we're building,
832
00:38:36,766 --> 00:38:38,566
where we might employ it,
833
00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:40,833
because then they can defeat it.
834
00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,100
There are reasons to do that.
835
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:43,900
None of it is alien.
836
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,233
None of it.
837
00:38:46,233 --> 00:38:48,500
♪ ♪
838
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,766
MOUNTAIN:
I think we are in an era where
839
00:38:50,766 --> 00:38:53,233
conspiracy theories are popular.
840
00:38:53,233 --> 00:38:54,533
Is this another one?
841
00:38:55,966 --> 00:38:57,733
NARRATOR:
When it comes to sightings
842
00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:00,466
by military pilots
and the public,
843
00:39:00,466 --> 00:39:02,500
how can science help separate
844
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,766
unfounded conspiracy theories
from reality,
845
00:39:06,766 --> 00:39:09,566
fact from fiction?
846
00:39:09,566 --> 00:39:11,366
MOUNTAIN:
From the very days that Galileo
847
00:39:11,366 --> 00:39:13,466
first lifted his telescope
to the sky
848
00:39:13,466 --> 00:39:16,700
and made measurements of the
moons going around Jupiter,
849
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,533
everybody else could then
reproduce those measurements
850
00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:21,133
and go, "Oh, yeah, he's right."
851
00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:23,133
And that confirmation
852
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:26,466
is what has made the
scientific method so powerful
853
00:39:26,466 --> 00:39:27,633
over the last 400 years.
854
00:39:27,633 --> 00:39:30,466
The thing we need is data,
855
00:39:30,466 --> 00:39:34,133
and we need real data, and we
don't have it.
856
00:39:34,133 --> 00:39:36,533
We at NASA are...
857
00:39:36,533 --> 00:39:37,900
NARRATOR:
In 2022,
858
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,233
NASA brought together
a group of experts
859
00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:42,766
to explore ways
to collect that data.
860
00:39:42,766 --> 00:39:45,200
NASA should lead
the scientific discourse.
861
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,400
We need to elevate
this conversation.
862
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,333
SEMETER:
The NASA U.A.P. panel
863
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:51,800
was formed to bring
864
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,000
that science perspective into
this.
865
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400
That analysis has not been done.
866
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,666
A lot of people argue
that we have data,
867
00:39:59,666 --> 00:40:02,533
but the vast majority
of that data is anecdotal,
868
00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:05,266
and that's just not going
to cut it.
869
00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:07,233
NARRATOR:
The panel recommended
several ways
870
00:40:07,233 --> 00:40:08,933
to collect more data,
871
00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:12,266
including repurposing
existing technology,
872
00:40:12,266 --> 00:40:14,633
like the National Weather
Service's radar system,
873
00:40:14,633 --> 00:40:16,766
called NEXRAD--
874
00:40:16,766 --> 00:40:20,833
radar stations that are found
throughout the U.S.
875
00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:23,500
SEMETER: So those same sensors
should be able to see
876
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,266
if an object comes
whizzing through
877
00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:26,733
at an extraordinary velocity.
878
00:40:26,733 --> 00:40:28,566
It should be able to pick up
that type of thing.
879
00:40:28,566 --> 00:40:30,733
That's just one example
of the type of networks
880
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:35,066
that we could repurpose
for U.A.P. research.
881
00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:38,066
NARRATOR:
Astronomer Avi Loeb
882
00:40:38,066 --> 00:40:41,066
is taking a different approach,
collecting more data
883
00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,266
in a novel way.
884
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,000
We just constructed
885
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,566
an observatory at Harvard
University.
886
00:40:46,566 --> 00:40:50,600
We are monitoring objects
that fly overhead
887
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,833
and trying
to make sense of them.
888
00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:54,966
NARRATOR:
This collection of instruments
889
00:40:54,966 --> 00:40:58,133
is part of Harvard's
Galileo Project.
890
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,200
The Galileo Project
891
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,300
is developing several sites
892
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:03,633
that are spread across
893
00:41:03,633 --> 00:41:04,966
a geographical region,
894
00:41:04,966 --> 00:41:08,700
where each site has an array
of sensors--
895
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,433
optical cameras,
896
00:41:11,433 --> 00:41:13,700
infrared images.
897
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,700
There's audio from
infrasound to ultrasound.
898
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:21,233
There's radar.
899
00:41:21,233 --> 00:41:23,466
It's a wide array of instruments
900
00:41:23,466 --> 00:41:26,266
to basically look at the sky
all the time
901
00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:28,366
to, to see if you find
any anomalies.
902
00:41:29,666 --> 00:41:32,600
NARRATOR: Some instruments have
otherworldly names,
903
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,733
like this one called Dalek,
904
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,466
after the cyborg aliens
905
00:41:37,466 --> 00:41:39,966
featured in the
"Doctor Who" series.
906
00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:43,266
Inside Dalek,
907
00:41:43,266 --> 00:41:45,500
there are eight
infrared cameras.
908
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,966
LOEB: Behind the window,
there is a camera.
909
00:41:47,966 --> 00:41:49,433
They overlap.
910
00:41:49,433 --> 00:41:52,166
And so, they get
the full picture
911
00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:55,366
of the entire sky at all times,
in the infrared.
912
00:41:56,966 --> 00:41:58,833
When something of interest
913
00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:01,300
is identified
by the main set of cameras,
914
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,533
we zoom on it in the sky,
915
00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:06,933
and this is the camera
that can move around
916
00:42:06,933 --> 00:42:09,033
and look at
the object of interest,
917
00:42:09,033 --> 00:42:14,000
automatically, based on the
computer system that we develop.
918
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,166
You can imagine, if you have
a camera pointing overhead,
919
00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:18,766
you're going to see a lot of
things that are identifiable.
920
00:42:18,766 --> 00:42:20,133
So they use machine learning,
921
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:21,966
what people call
artificial intelligence,
922
00:42:21,966 --> 00:42:23,400
that can recognize the knowns,
923
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,400
recognize the birds,
the airplanes,
924
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,400
the balloons, leaves,
925
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,566
all the known things,
926
00:42:28,566 --> 00:42:30,133
and sort of reject those,
filter them out,
927
00:42:30,133 --> 00:42:32,600
and then what you're left with
is the anomalies.
928
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,200
You're left with the things
that you cannot understand,
929
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,766
the things you can't identify.
930
00:42:37,866 --> 00:42:40,933
And as we speak right now,
931
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:43,100
we are being recorded.
(chuckles)
932
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,200
So far, we have been
operating this observatory
933
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,800
for several months, and we saw
934
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,266
hundreds of thousands of objects
in the sky.
935
00:42:53,266 --> 00:42:57,033
None of them appears
to be anomalous.
936
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:59,500
♪ ♪
937
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:00,900
But even if one in a million
938
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,766
came from outside of this Earth,
939
00:43:02,766 --> 00:43:05,166
that would be big news
to humanity
940
00:43:05,166 --> 00:43:07,200
and will change our future.
941
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,866
And that's what drives
my science.
942
00:43:08,866 --> 00:43:12,666
♪ ♪
943
00:43:12,666 --> 00:43:14,666
GRAVES:
One way or another,
944
00:43:14,666 --> 00:43:16,266
the more data we're, we're able
to bring
945
00:43:16,266 --> 00:43:17,533
into this conversation, the more
we're
946
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:18,900
going to be able to get to the
truth.
947
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,333
(keyboard clacking)
948
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,900
NARRATOR:
Ryan Graves is trying
to collect data
949
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,666
from a different source:
his fellow pilots,
950
00:43:25,666 --> 00:43:29,300
military and commercial.
951
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,333
But there's a problem.
952
00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:34,366
They're hesitant
to share their experiences
953
00:43:34,366 --> 00:43:38,266
because of the taboo
surrounding U.F.Os.
954
00:43:38,266 --> 00:43:39,866
GRAVES:
They don't feel
comfortable reporting
955
00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,733
because of that fear
that there could be
956
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:44,566
professional repercussions
at their employer,
957
00:43:44,566 --> 00:43:47,433
social repercussions with
their peers at the airline,
958
00:43:47,433 --> 00:43:50,866
because the conversation
immediately jumps to,
959
00:43:50,866 --> 00:43:52,700
"Well, there's no proof
there's extraterrestrials.
960
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:54,900
You couldn't travel across
the universe to get here."
961
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,333
And it's, like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa."
(chuckles)
962
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:59,166
Pilots are seeing things
that are in the sky
963
00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:00,900
that they don't understand
what they are
964
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:02,333
and are posing safety risks.
965
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:03,933
That's where the conversation
needs to stop.
966
00:44:03,933 --> 00:44:06,733
And hey, is this not
only an aviation safety risk,
967
00:44:06,733 --> 00:44:08,400
but is this a potential
national security risk?
968
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
♪ ♪
969
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,766
IYA WHITELEY:
So, I was asking pilots
970
00:44:14,766 --> 00:44:17,633
whether they have
encountered the U.A.P.,
971
00:44:17,633 --> 00:44:20,633
and they were very cagey
about it.
972
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,633
NARRATOR:
Aviation and space psychologist
Iya Whiteley
973
00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:27,700
is working with Ryan,
conducting research
974
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,666
to find out if this reluctance
to talk
975
00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:33,500
about U.A.P. sightings
also impacts a pilot's ability
976
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,400
to focus on the job,
977
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800
creating a safety issue.
978
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,933
WHITELEY:
When the pilot's seeing
something,
979
00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:43,333
I want to make sure that they're
comfortable speaking about it,
980
00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:45,333
because it then occupies
981
00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:47,900
their capacity and focus
and attention,
982
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,100
and takes them away
from actually flying.
983
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,100
If you're trying to ignore
something unidentified
984
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,966
in the distance,
your mind is still thinking,
985
00:44:55,966 --> 00:44:57,766
"I'm not thinking about it,
I'm not thinking about it.
986
00:44:57,766 --> 00:44:59,800
(chuckling):
I'm not thinking about it,
I'm not thinking about it."
987
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,833
And now they don't see
what they need to be seeing.
988
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:04,466
You were just asking
about
989
00:45:04,466 --> 00:45:07,166
visual cues...
Yes.
990
00:45:07,166 --> 00:45:08,900
...and what attracts
your attention.
991
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,766
Movement is what attracts your
attention.
992
00:45:11,933 --> 00:45:14,366
GRAVES:
Commercial pilots have been
seeing objects that have been
993
00:45:14,366 --> 00:45:16,466
causing them
some serious consternation.
994
00:45:16,466 --> 00:45:19,300
I don't think anyone would like
995
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:20,933
their pilot flying
their aircraft
996
00:45:20,933 --> 00:45:22,433
to have an existential crisis
997
00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:25,433
as they're flying their aircraft
and coming in for a landing.
998
00:45:25,433 --> 00:45:27,333
♪ ♪
999
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:28,966
WEST:
The more cases we can explain,
1000
00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:30,800
the less distraction there's
going to be.
1001
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,766
And if there is actually
any real threat
1002
00:45:32,766 --> 00:45:34,566
or any real issue out there,
1003
00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:36,366
then we can focus in on that
1004
00:45:36,366 --> 00:45:38,000
without all this extra noise.
1005
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,500
NARRATOR:
And there's another way
1006
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,133
we can collect more data--
1007
00:45:42,133 --> 00:45:45,000
with a little help
from the public.
1008
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,533
So, it would seem like
they're going sideways.
1009
00:45:47,533 --> 00:45:49,300
NARRATOR:
In the Lower East Side
of Manhattan,
1010
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,966
at Enigma Labs,
1011
00:45:50,966 --> 00:45:54,133
a staff of software designers
and U.F.O. enthusiasts are
1012
00:45:54,133 --> 00:45:57,800
developing a first-of-its-kind
crowdsourcing app.
1013
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,333
LAUREN BUTLER:
The goal is really
1014
00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:00,933
to bring people together
1015
00:46:00,933 --> 00:46:03,033
to share their U.A.P.
experiences
1016
00:46:03,033 --> 00:46:04,066
and their sightings.
1017
00:46:04,066 --> 00:46:06,400
You know, if people don't have
1018
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,033
a place to talk about this
1019
00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:09,500
or report what they're seeing,
1020
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,033
I think they can feel
really lonely,
1021
00:46:11,033 --> 00:46:12,666
and, and feel very isolated,
1022
00:46:12,666 --> 00:46:14,866
when, in reality, this is
a huge community of people
1023
00:46:14,866 --> 00:46:16,300
who should be able
1024
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:17,966
to come somewhere and talk
about what they're seeing.
1025
00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:21,566
ROJAS:
So, we're collecting
sighting reports.
1026
00:46:21,566 --> 00:46:25,366
We get a lot of Starlink
and Space X rocket videos.
1027
00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:27,433
But at the same time,
people are submitting things
1028
00:46:27,433 --> 00:46:29,233
that cannot be explained.
1029
00:46:29,233 --> 00:46:32,033
This time, I've got one
that I can't figure out.
1030
00:46:32,033 --> 00:46:33,500
Maybe you can help me out.
1031
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:34,900
This is really cool.
1032
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:36,500
Just this light
comes floating in,
1033
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,333
and then it hovers,
but wait.
1034
00:46:39,333 --> 00:46:40,733
But what is, what is
this blob of light here?
1035
00:46:40,733 --> 00:46:42,933
It came down slowly,
right?
Yeah.
1036
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:44,600
BUTLER:
Those are fireworks,
I'd say, right?
1037
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,166
ROJAS:
Those are probably fireworks.
1038
00:46:46,166 --> 00:46:47,633
ADAM: Probably smoke
rising up from...
Mm-hmm.
1039
00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:49,466
ROJAS:
And smoke rising up.
ADAM: Mm-hmm.
1040
00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:53,100
(fireworks popping in video)
ROJAS: But in just a second,
it will get weirder.
1041
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,266
ADAM: What?
ROJAS:
Isn't that weird?
1042
00:46:55,266 --> 00:46:57,266
Oh, it's getting brighter.
MAN: It gets brighter
and brighter, yeah.
1043
00:46:57,266 --> 00:46:58,600
ROJAS:
Yeah, it keeps
getting brighter.
1044
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,766
And it's a broad beam
of light.
1045
00:47:01,766 --> 00:47:03,266
ADAM:
So it's not a star.
1046
00:47:03,266 --> 00:47:04,833
ROJAS:
So what do you think about,
maybe, drone?
1047
00:47:04,833 --> 00:47:07,266
But, I mean,
look how still it is.
1048
00:47:07,266 --> 00:47:08,566
It doesn't have blinking lights.
1049
00:47:08,566 --> 00:47:09,700
I mean, it doesn't
1050
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:11,333
look like a drone.
1051
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,400
So let's fast-forward
a little.
1052
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,600
MAN: Oh, it went up
a little bit, okay.
1053
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,600
ADAM: It's rising up,
it's rising up.
1054
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,333
ROJAS:
Yeah.
1055
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:19,600
So it kind of gets dimmer.
1056
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,733
And I'm watching the cam--
the camera's not moving.
1057
00:47:20,733 --> 00:47:21,933
And it rises up--
the camera's...
1058
00:47:21,933 --> 00:47:22,933
And it's rising
back up.
Yeah, it...
1059
00:47:22,933 --> 00:47:24,166
This is a good one.
1060
00:47:24,166 --> 00:47:25,933
I don't know,
I don't know what that is.
1061
00:47:27,566 --> 00:47:29,900
NARRATOR:
Apps like this provide
the public
1062
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,300
with a place
to share their sightings,
1063
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:34,900
but could one day
be a source of data
1064
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,733
for scientists to study.
1065
00:47:36,733 --> 00:47:40,700
MOUNTAIN:
We're not relying just on,
"Did you see something?"
1066
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,566
We're asking your cell phone
to make a measurement.
1067
00:47:43,566 --> 00:47:45,133
It's going to record
1068
00:47:45,133 --> 00:47:47,700
the position of the phone
on the planet,
1069
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,000
because we all have GPSes in it,
1070
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,266
and, because it has
a little compass in it,
1071
00:47:51,266 --> 00:47:53,233
it will also tell us
what direction we're looking at.
1072
00:47:53,233 --> 00:47:56,600
So we can actually
do scientific experiments
1073
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,066
with actual data,
1074
00:47:58,066 --> 00:48:00,900
because our modern cell phones
are so good now
1075
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,300
at recording numbers.
1076
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:04,833
ADAM:
The more data, the better.
1077
00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:06,100
The more sightings,
1078
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:07,800
the more eyes we get on,
1079
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,400
on something that's truly
anomalous,
1080
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,500
the closer we get
1081
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,600
to maybe answering
that question:
1082
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,233
"What is it?"
1083
00:48:18,766 --> 00:48:22,033
NARRATOR:
Alex Dietrich has learned from
firsthand experience
1084
00:48:22,033 --> 00:48:26,366
that for many people,
data alone is not enough.
1085
00:48:26,366 --> 00:48:28,833
DIETRICH:
The topic is so charged,
1086
00:48:28,833 --> 00:48:31,700
because there are
so many conspiracies,
1087
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,366
and it's such a...
1088
00:48:34,366 --> 00:48:36,033
You know, it does something to
people's brains
1089
00:48:36,033 --> 00:48:37,433
when you say "U.F.O."
1090
00:48:37,433 --> 00:48:40,900
NARRATOR: At the University
of Colorado Boulder,
1091
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:44,300
Alex is trying to change that.
1092
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,800
So, this is the helmet
that I was wearing.
1093
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,300
You're welcome to try
to put it...
1094
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:49,833
NARRATOR:
...using her experience
1095
00:48:49,833 --> 00:48:52,366
as a way to teach students
1096
00:48:52,366 --> 00:48:55,166
how to separate
fact from fiction.
1097
00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:57,366
What is it about U.F.Os.?
1098
00:48:57,366 --> 00:49:00,133
What do we know?
1099
00:49:00,133 --> 00:49:02,233
And how do we know it?
1100
00:49:02,233 --> 00:49:03,700
What I find is
that some of my students
1101
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,200
have been going down those
Reddit thread rabbit holes,
1102
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,133
working themselves up
into a lather
1103
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:13,766
with salacious headlines
for content and clickbait.
1104
00:49:13,766 --> 00:49:16,233
If you're reading
an article about U.F.Os.,
1105
00:49:16,233 --> 00:49:19,866
what do we look for when
we are looking at our sources?
1106
00:49:19,866 --> 00:49:22,366
I hope they will be
1107
00:49:22,366 --> 00:49:25,900
more discerning
when they consume media
1108
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:27,900
going forward,
that they will question
1109
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,533
where the information
that they're getting comes from.
1110
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:32,533
Because I want to advocate
1111
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:35,000
for us to all take a deep breath
1112
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,100
and to come to this subject
1113
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,266
with a lens
of critical thinking.
1114
00:49:40,266 --> 00:49:42,333
Critical thinking,
people.
1115
00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:43,700
(chuckles):
Let's all...
1116
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:47,033
Let's all apply
critical thinking.
1117
00:49:47,033 --> 00:49:49,133
♪ ♪
1118
00:49:49,133 --> 00:49:51,366
NARRATOR:
And that brings us back
1119
00:49:51,366 --> 00:49:54,600
to the million-dollar
questions--
1120
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,433
could this be
extraterrestrial technology?
1121
00:49:59,433 --> 00:50:02,266
What would it take
for a spacecraft
1122
00:50:02,266 --> 00:50:04,733
to come from a distant world?
1123
00:50:04,733 --> 00:50:06,533
HOLLINGS:
A very important question
1124
00:50:06,533 --> 00:50:08,133
that we need to be asking today
1125
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,566
when investigating U.A.P.
is whether or not,
1126
00:50:10,566 --> 00:50:13,866
even if there are advanced
alien civilizations out there,
1127
00:50:13,866 --> 00:50:17,233
if they have the means
to actually reach us.
1128
00:50:17,233 --> 00:50:20,266
MAN:
Three, two, one...
1129
00:50:20,266 --> 00:50:22,266
NARRATOR:
Consider this.
1130
00:50:22,266 --> 00:50:24,766
One of the fastest spacecrafts
ever launched,
1131
00:50:24,766 --> 00:50:27,033
NASA's New Horizons,
1132
00:50:27,033 --> 00:50:30,766
took nine years and five months
to reach Pluto,
1133
00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:33,666
three billion miles away.
1134
00:50:33,666 --> 00:50:36,133
Getting to
the closest star system
1135
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:38,966
with a planet
that might harbor life
1136
00:50:38,966 --> 00:50:41,266
would take that tiny spacecraft
1137
00:50:41,266 --> 00:50:44,666
a whopping 80,000 years.
1138
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:47,500
WRIGHT:
The universe is so
unfathomably large.
1139
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,400
There's a hundred billion stars
in our Milky Way,
1140
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,166
and there's a hundred billion
galaxies
1141
00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:54,833
in the observable universe.
1142
00:50:54,833 --> 00:50:58,433
That's ten to the 22--
one with 22 zeros on it--
1143
00:50:58,433 --> 00:51:01,066
with the number of stars,
1144
00:51:01,066 --> 00:51:03,900
and the distances between stars
1145
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,666
is incredibly vast.
1146
00:51:07,666 --> 00:51:09,500
HAQQ-MISRA:
I have not seen any evidence
1147
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:10,833
that we have been visited.
1148
00:51:10,833 --> 00:51:14,266
I think it's still worth
looking for evidence,
1149
00:51:14,266 --> 00:51:17,333
because we can't
conclusively demonstrate
1150
00:51:17,333 --> 00:51:19,700
that we have not been visited.
1151
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:23,000
Half of the timescale
the galaxy has, has existed,
1152
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,733
there was no planet Earth.
1153
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:27,400
So that's plenty of time
for life to have evolved
1154
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,633
and technological life to have
developed on another planet.
1155
00:51:30,633 --> 00:51:32,200
OLUSEYI:
The answer is,
1156
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,666
get more data.
1157
00:51:33,666 --> 00:51:35,766
We need much, much more data.
1158
00:51:35,766 --> 00:51:37,200
And the way you're going
to get more data
1159
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,066
is that you're going to have
more eyes on the sky.
1160
00:51:39,066 --> 00:51:41,366
♪ ♪
1161
00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:42,966
NARRATOR:
U.F.Os. have been
1162
00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:45,500
a part of our culture
for decades.
1163
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:47,966
They've been
the subject of curiosity,
1164
00:51:47,966 --> 00:51:50,533
but rarely the subject
1165
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:54,200
of serious scientific
investigation.
1166
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,566
But that is changing.
1167
00:51:56,566 --> 00:51:58,066
GRAVES:
I think it's critical
1168
00:51:58,066 --> 00:52:00,633
to be open-minded,
don't be dismissive,
1169
00:52:00,633 --> 00:52:03,100
and search for the data,
like any good scientist.
1170
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:04,666
What I think is important
1171
00:52:04,666 --> 00:52:06,533
is that we are collecting
more than just
1172
00:52:06,533 --> 00:52:09,500
the eyewitness accounts,
but that we also have
1173
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,033
the right hardware in place
1174
00:52:11,033 --> 00:52:14,666
for things that will be seen
today, tomorrow,
1175
00:52:14,666 --> 00:52:17,300
so that we don't sit here and...
1176
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,866
(laughing):
...bicker about,
1177
00:52:18,866 --> 00:52:20,700
about what happened
20 years ago.
1178
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,900
♪ ♪
1179
00:52:44,166 --> 00:52:47,033
♪ ♪
1180
00:52:47,966 --> 00:52:55,500
♪ ♪
1181
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:06,933
♪ ♪
1182
00:53:10,766 --> 00:53:18,300
♪ ♪
1183
00:53:19,933 --> 00:53:27,466
♪ ♪
1184
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:36,633
♪ ♪
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