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(laughs) 5 00:00:12,233 --> 00:00:13,800 Woo-hoo! 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,466 (men talking, laughing on radios) 7 00:00:15,466 --> 00:00:17,833 What the (bleep) is that thing? 8 00:00:17,833 --> 00:00:20,833 NARRATOR: Disturbing videos of U.F.Os. have been taken 9 00:00:20,833 --> 00:00:25,233 by some of the best-trained pilots on the planet. 10 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:27,300 We actually have military pilots who are saying, 11 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:29,500 "I saw something that I don't understand." 12 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:32,733 PILOT: Course unknown and speed unknown. 13 00:00:32,733 --> 00:00:34,666 MICK WEST: We don't know what they actually saw. 14 00:00:34,666 --> 00:00:36,400 We only have their interpretation of it. 15 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,000 So this is the helmet that I was wearing. 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,933 (interview): It would be really irresponsible to suggest 17 00:00:41,933 --> 00:00:45,233 that all of these things are of the same origin, 18 00:00:45,233 --> 00:00:46,933 that they're of the same technology, 19 00:00:46,933 --> 00:00:50,033 that they're of the same phenomenon. 20 00:00:50,033 --> 00:00:52,600 We can't say it's aliens, but we can't say it's not aliens. 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,833 People in New Jersey are concerned. 22 00:00:54,833 --> 00:00:56,866 NARRATOR: And what about the explosion of news reports 23 00:00:56,866 --> 00:00:59,933 of strange objects flying over New Jersey? 24 00:00:59,933 --> 00:01:01,966 Upwards of 49-plus drone sightings. 25 00:01:01,966 --> 00:01:04,433   SHELLEY WRIGHT: As scientists, we also want 26 00:01:04,433 --> 00:01:06,000 to get to the bottom of this. 27 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,466 There's an aircraft-- there we go. Ah, there we go. 28 00:01:07,466 --> 00:01:09,266 NARRATOR: "What Are U.F.Os.?" 29 00:01:09,266 --> 00:01:11,866 Right now, on "NOVA." 30 00:01:11,866 --> 00:01:15,366 ♪ ♪ 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,700 NARRATOR: In the halls of Congress, 32 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:47,033 Navy pilots are speaking out. 33 00:01:47,033 --> 00:01:49,833 This object remained for about 45 seconds or so 34 00:01:49,833 --> 00:01:51,833 before darting off over the mountains. 35 00:01:51,833 --> 00:01:54,400 We were seeing objects with our radars, 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,833 with our cameras, 37 00:01:55,833 --> 00:01:58,833 and even with our eyes flying on an almost daily basis. 38 00:01:58,833 --> 00:02:02,400 DIETRICH: We're very sensitive to how things turn 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,800 and how things accelerate and how things move, 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,033 and this didn't follow any of those laws of physics. 41 00:02:09,033 --> 00:02:11,533 NARRATOR: As of 2023, 42 00:02:11,533 --> 00:02:13,900 military and commercial pilots 43 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:18,700 have reported seeing 801 objects they couldn't identify. 44 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:23,000 DIETRICH: When we're talking about having an unidentified thing 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,500 in our airspace, whether it's directly overhead 46 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,866 or in our coastal waters, we need to figure out, 47 00:02:29,866 --> 00:02:32,666 is this an issue of flight safety? 48 00:02:32,666 --> 00:02:34,766 Is this an issue of national security? 49 00:02:34,766 --> 00:02:37,933 Is this an adversary spying on us? 50 00:02:37,933 --> 00:02:41,500 NARRATOR: Or could it be top-secret tech 51 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:43,233 developed right here at home? 52 00:02:43,233 --> 00:02:45,433 ALEX HOLLINGS: I can tell you unequivocally 53 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:47,766 that the government does keep secrets when it comes 54 00:02:47,766 --> 00:02:49,566 to aerospace technology. 55 00:02:49,566 --> 00:02:52,566 The Pentagon has what we often call a black budget, 56 00:02:52,566 --> 00:02:55,966 which can sometimes exceed $65 billion in a year. 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,233 ALEJANDRO ROJAS: Even within the military, 58 00:02:59,233 --> 00:03:01,633 there's never been a consensus, really, 59 00:03:01,633 --> 00:03:04,333 that it's this or that or that it's not extraterrestrial. 60 00:03:04,333 --> 00:03:07,533 ♪ ♪ 61 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:11,300 We cannot rule out extraterrestrials, 62 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:13,133 but you have no evidence for it. 63 00:03:13,133 --> 00:03:14,900 It comes back to the evidence. 64 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:17,866 ♪ ♪ 65 00:03:17,866 --> 00:03:20,533 HAKEEM OLUSEYI: Regular citizens have been reporting things 66 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:23,033 for decades, and yet we hear nothing 67 00:03:23,033 --> 00:03:25,000 from the government about what this may be. 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,100 SHELLEY WRIGHT: And now that we have more observations, 69 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:32,033 more cameras, more cell phones 70 00:03:32,033 --> 00:03:36,166 that are taking pictures of phenomenon in our atmosphere, 71 00:03:36,166 --> 00:03:38,400 scientists need to come forward 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,833 and talk about how we can identify these objects. 73 00:03:43,833 --> 00:03:46,400 MICHAEL WONG: In science, we encounter anomalies all the time. 74 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,433 And it's our job to try to figure out 75 00:03:48,433 --> 00:03:51,233 what those anomalies are telling us about the universe. 76 00:03:51,233 --> 00:03:55,500 ♪ ♪ 77 00:04:00,866 --> 00:04:03,933 NARRATOR: This isn't the first time unidentified flying objects 78 00:04:03,933 --> 00:04:09,633 have captured our imagination and startled the world. 79 00:04:09,633 --> 00:04:11,400 It was back in the 1940s 80 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,500 that sightings started piling up. 81 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:17,566 June 24, 1947. 82 00:04:17,566 --> 00:04:20,800 As he flew near Mt. Rainier in Washington State, 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,200 pilot Kenneth Arnold spotted something strange. 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,400 ROJAS: As he was flying around, he said he saw these objects 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,333 glinting off of the sun. 86 00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:34,633 Because they moved like they were skipping off of water, 87 00:04:34,633 --> 00:04:37,000 the term "flying saucer" came about. 88 00:04:38,466 --> 00:04:40,800 At the time, there were other people having sightings, 89 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,533 but this is the one that just really kind of 90 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:46,666 ignite this interest in the public about U.F.Os. 91 00:04:46,666 --> 00:04:48,400 ♪ ♪ 92 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,700 NARRATOR: From New York to California, 93 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:53,933 people started to report seeing flying saucers 94 00:04:53,933 --> 00:04:56,200 just about everywhere. 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,700 Sightings were spreading like wildfire. 96 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,366 HOLLINGS: Culture informs our understanding 97 00:05:02,366 --> 00:05:04,300 of the world around us. 98 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:06,000 If you expect to see a U.F.O. 99 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,066 that looks like a pie tin, 100 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:10,933 well, when you see something unusual in the sky 101 00:05:10,933 --> 00:05:12,966 that you have trouble discerning what it was, 102 00:05:12,966 --> 00:05:15,800   your brain may be more apt to say, 103 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,300 "That looked like a pie tin." 104 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,133 NARRATOR: It may seem strange that in the 1940s and '50s, 105 00:05:23,133 --> 00:05:27,166 so many Americans were suddenly spotting objects in the sky. 106 00:05:27,166 --> 00:05:29,033 (explosion roars) 107 00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:31,800 But with the Cold War in full swing, 108 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,466 it was a time of heightened anxiety and worry 109 00:05:34,466 --> 00:05:38,466 about new threats overhead. 110 00:05:38,466 --> 00:05:41,133 This was a time period in which there was a lot 111 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:43,766 of military technology development. 112 00:05:45,266 --> 00:05:48,300 Coming out of World War II, 113 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,000 we have developed radar. 114 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,500 ♪ ♪ 115 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:55,400 SEAN KIRKPATRICK: This was the first major war 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,533 where air power was a huge player, 117 00:05:58,533 --> 00:06:02,900 and there was a lot of unknown tech emerging. 118 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:06,800 All of these things kind of came together. 119 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,833 And then, of course, you had the Roswell incident. 120 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:12,033 NARRATOR: Roswell, New Mexico. 121 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:14,633 A rancher came across another piece 122 00:06:14,633 --> 00:06:17,400 of the flying saucer puzzle. 123 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,666 ROJAS: Essentially, this ranch hand comes in, 124 00:06:19,666 --> 00:06:21,000 says, "I found this material." 125 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,566 They send a couple of Air Force people 126 00:06:23,566 --> 00:06:26,366 from Roswell Army Airfield out to take a look. 127 00:06:26,366 --> 00:06:28,833 One of them says, "Hey, I think this stuff was weird." 128 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:32,766 They take the material to Fort Worth. 129 00:06:32,766 --> 00:06:37,400 Fort Worth says it was obviously a weather balloon. 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Story's over. 131 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,666 NARRATOR: But the public wasn't buying it. 132 00:06:42,666 --> 00:06:45,566 And Hollywood saw an opportunity 133 00:06:45,566 --> 00:06:48,433 to run with a captivating story: 134 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:52,000 aliens-- sometimes friendly and sometimes not-- 135 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,333 were visiting planet Earth. 136 00:06:55,333 --> 00:06:57,066 HAQQ-MISRA: The lack of answers by the government 137 00:06:57,066 --> 00:06:58,633 did leave a void, 138 00:06:58,633 --> 00:07:01,100 and Hollywood and, and entertainment 139 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:02,566 certainly filled that void. 140 00:07:02,566 --> 00:07:06,066 FILM NARRATOR: "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers." 141 00:07:07,466 --> 00:07:10,466 HAQQ-MISRA: And we are left with a wide assortment 142 00:07:10,466 --> 00:07:12,300 of scenarios imagining 143 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:13,600 contact with aliens, 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,600 with saucers, 145 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,300 or aliens on the moon or Mars, 146 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:17,566 or alien invasions 147 00:07:17,566 --> 00:07:18,700 that are quite dramatic. 148 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:20,566 FILM NARRATOR: What are they? 149 00:07:20,566 --> 00:07:21,933 Where do they come from? 150 00:07:21,933 --> 00:07:25,500 Certainly, this can instill a lot of fear in people. 151 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:29,533 (screaming) 152 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:32,266 In the absence of scientists 153 00:07:32,266 --> 00:07:34,500 or other authoritative voices 154 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:36,466 filling the gap 155 00:07:36,466 --> 00:07:39,100 and, and explaining what's going on, 156 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,666 all we heard from the authorities was, 157 00:07:41,666 --> 00:07:43,333 "There's nothing to see here." 158 00:07:44,833 --> 00:07:49,900 NARRATOR: But behind the scenes, the military was investigating. 159 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:51,833 HAQQ-MISRA: Probably the most significant 160 00:07:51,833 --> 00:07:53,866 historical investigation of U.F.Os. 161 00:07:53,866 --> 00:07:55,866 by the government was Project Blue Book. 162 00:07:55,866 --> 00:07:59,433 It investigated thousands and thousands of U.F.O. sightings. 163 00:07:59,433 --> 00:08:01,733 ♪ ♪ 164 00:08:01,733 --> 00:08:03,766 NARRATOR: For more than 20 years, 165 00:08:03,766 --> 00:08:08,500 military investigators and scientists scrutinized the data, 166 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:12,000 looking for answers. 167 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,900 What are all these objects? 168 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:19,233 Do any of them present a clear and present danger? 169 00:08:19,233 --> 00:08:23,833 Scientists like astronomer J. Allen Hynek 170 00:08:23,833 --> 00:08:28,266 were brought in to help the Air Force connect the dots. 171 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:31,000 ROJAS: Dr. J. Allen Hynek was the consultant 172 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,800 for the Air Force from 1947 all the way to 1969, 173 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,333 the entire time they were investigating this topic. 174 00:08:37,333 --> 00:08:40,066 He was a skeptic himself 175 00:08:40,066 --> 00:08:43,600 because of that early association with aliens 176 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,766 and little green men. 177 00:08:45,766 --> 00:08:48,366 So when they approached him, he's, like, 178 00:08:48,366 --> 00:08:51,033 "I'll do this, but I'm going to easily 179 00:08:51,033 --> 00:08:54,066 "be able to debunk this in no time, 180 00:08:54,066 --> 00:08:55,666 because this is just silliness." 181 00:08:57,733 --> 00:09:01,000 NARRATOR: Project Blue Book ended in 1969, 182 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,666 when the Air Force released the Condon Report. 183 00:09:04,666 --> 00:09:08,733 After investigating more than 12,000 U.F.O. sightings, 184 00:09:08,733 --> 00:09:14,300 701 remained unidentified. 185 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:16,266 When you've not explained that much of your data, 186 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:18,133 as a scientist, that's not acceptable. 187 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:21,966 NARRATOR: And it wasn't acceptable for Hynek. 188 00:09:21,966 --> 00:09:23,933 He'd had a change of heart 189 00:09:23,933 --> 00:09:27,566 that would last a lifetime. 190 00:09:27,566 --> 00:09:31,400 ROJAS: He started to see that there was data there that indicates 191 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,466 that not all of these are easily solvable, 192 00:09:33,466 --> 00:09:36,000 and that they do deserve investigation. 193 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,566 But he would stay away from the alien side of things. 194 00:09:40,566 --> 00:09:43,266 He would try to focus on, you know, "This is a mystery 195 00:09:43,266 --> 00:09:46,066 we don't understand." 196 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:48,333 But it's just too difficult to do, 197 00:09:48,333 --> 00:09:51,666 because the media and the public just can't 198 00:09:51,666 --> 00:09:54,966 disassociate those things, the aliens and the U.F.Os. 199 00:09:56,966 --> 00:09:59,066 OLUSEYI: This created an environment that scientists 200 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:02,033 and any serious person did not want to go near it. 201 00:10:02,033 --> 00:10:04,533 So aliens were right in there 202 00:10:04,533 --> 00:10:07,166 with ghosts, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot-- 203 00:10:07,166 --> 00:10:10,233 it was all part of this, the unknown, spooky stuff 204 00:10:10,233 --> 00:10:12,466 that probably ain't true. 205 00:10:13,766 --> 00:10:15,566 NARRATOR: Because of this stigma, 206 00:10:15,566 --> 00:10:17,433 today, the Department of Defense 207 00:10:17,433 --> 00:10:21,733 refers to these Unidentified Flying Objects, U.F.Os., 208 00:10:21,733 --> 00:10:26,366 as U.A.Ps.-- Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. 209 00:10:26,366 --> 00:10:28,400 DIETRICH: They changed it from U.F.O. 210 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,966 to U.A.P. to try to reduce that stigma, 211 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:34,833 to try to get away from that history, 212 00:10:34,833 --> 00:10:37,966   that historical trigger that happens in our brains. 213 00:10:39,166 --> 00:10:43,700 WRIGHT: The word U.F.O., unfortunately, has become a taboo word 214 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:46,500 within the scientific community. 215 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,366 It's actually been a disservice 216 00:10:49,366 --> 00:10:51,433 to our community and our society 217 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:54,166 for not trying to teach and communicate 218 00:10:54,166 --> 00:10:56,733 about what actually is in the night sky. 219 00:10:59,133 --> 00:11:01,800 NARRATOR: There's no shortage of things in the night sky 220 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,433 that can seem strange. 221 00:11:04,433 --> 00:11:06,800 Some are natural, 222 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,100 like the colors of the Northern Lights, 223 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:12,900 the beauty of a meteor shower, 224 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,300 planet Venus in the night sky. 225 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:21,600 Even clouds that form strange saucer-like shapes. 226 00:11:22,833 --> 00:11:24,400 ♪ ♪ 227 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,533 And plenty that are not-so-natural wonders. 228 00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:31,600 KENNETH HARRIS II: Right now above my head are planes. 229 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,600 You can hear a helicopter flying over. (helicopter flying past) 230 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,166 There's probably some drones up there, too. 231 00:11:35,166 --> 00:11:37,666 And if you're in the right place at the right time, 232 00:11:37,666 --> 00:11:39,733 you can probably even see some satellites up there, 233 00:11:39,733 --> 00:11:41,866 because there's a lot of stuff out there 234 00:11:41,866 --> 00:11:44,500 that might not be as strange as you think it is. 235 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:46,833 VIDEOGRAPHER 1: So weird, that's not a plane. 236 00:11:46,833 --> 00:11:48,900 KIRKPATRICK: The number of things that are 237 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:51,333 in our sky today are thousands. 238 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:53,100 VIDEOGRAPHER 2: Oh, my God. 239 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:55,000 VIDEOGRAPHER 3: Now it's not moving at all. 240 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,633 It's hovering right there. 241 00:11:56,633 --> 00:11:58,300   WRIGHT: We have weather balloons. 242 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:03,433 1,800 of them are launched daily around the world. 243 00:12:03,433 --> 00:12:06,266 You can actually see things in Earth's orbit 244 00:12:06,266 --> 00:12:08,133 from the ground. 245 00:12:08,133 --> 00:12:10,100 You can see, for instance, the International Space Station 246 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,133 at night, flying overhead. 247 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,666 NARRATOR: And if you see a cluster of lights 248 00:12:15,666 --> 00:12:17,966 traveling across the night sky, 249 00:12:17,966 --> 00:12:20,400 they're probably part of a satellite system 250 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,000 called Starlink. 251 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,800 KIRKPATRICK: When Starlink launches a 60-satellite string, 252 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,400 people look at that and go, "I don't know what that is." 253 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,566 And it looks really weird and concerning. 254 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:36,233 Technology, I think, has created much more clutter in the sky 255 00:12:36,233 --> 00:12:39,966 and an ability for us to misinterpret things. 256 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,700 HAQQ-MISRA: There's a lot in our sky, 257 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:46,366 and if we're studying U.F.Os., of course, 258 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,966 you have to know what's in the sky that is known 259 00:12:48,966 --> 00:12:51,866 before you can identify what's unknown. 260 00:12:54,266 --> 00:12:56,800 NARRATOR: That's especially difficult when it comes 261 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,766 to some of the strangest sightings ever made... 262 00:12:59,766 --> 00:13:01,333 (man speaking on radio) 263 00:13:01,333 --> 00:13:05,233 NARRATOR: ...those videos taken by Navy pilots. 264 00:13:05,233 --> 00:13:10,066 One of the most famous is nicknamed "the Gimbal." 265 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:11,766 We recorded the Gimbal object 266 00:13:11,766 --> 00:13:13,566 when we were down off the coast 267 00:13:13,566 --> 00:13:15,300 of Jacksonville, Florida, aboard 268 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:17,200 the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt 269 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,733 in 2015. 270 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:24,000 NARRATOR: Former F/A-18 pilot Ryan Graves will never forget 271 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,866 what some pilots in his squadron told him 272 00:13:26,866 --> 00:13:30,633 about their bizarre U.A.P. experience. 273 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:36,266 The event unfolded during a night training mission. 274 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:40,033 PILOT: This is a (bleep) drone, bro. 275 00:13:41,833 --> 00:13:43,233 They see something strange. 276 00:13:43,233 --> 00:13:45,700 They've been closing on it for a couple of minutes 277 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,500 as they fly towards it to better understand it. 278 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:50,233 It has to be a drone-- that's the logical thing. 279 00:13:50,233 --> 00:13:52,433 No one's out there saying it's U.F.Os. or aliens or whatever. 280 00:13:52,433 --> 00:13:54,900 It's just an unknown thing. 281 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:56,500 And what is it? 282 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:59,400 NARRATOR: While their camera only captures the image of one object, 283 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,933 their radar tells a more complex story. 284 00:14:02,933 --> 00:14:06,800 PILOT 2: There's a whole fleet of them-- look on the S.A. 285 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,866 PILOT 1: My gosh. 286 00:14:08,866 --> 00:14:11,766 GRAVES: As they gather more information, 287 00:14:11,766 --> 00:14:14,500 and they see a, a whole fleet of them on their radar, 288 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:17,766 it's harder to understand what they're seeing. 289 00:14:17,766 --> 00:14:19,366 And you can hear that in their voices. 290 00:14:19,366 --> 00:14:21,900 PILOT 2: They're all going against the wind. 291 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:23,566 The wind's 120 knots from the west. 292 00:14:23,566 --> 00:14:25,533 PILOT 1: Look at that thing, dude. 293 00:14:25,533 --> 00:14:29,666 NARRATOR: Then the object does something downright bizarre. 294 00:14:29,666 --> 00:14:32,666 PILOT 1: Look at this thing! 295 00:14:32,666 --> 00:14:34,766 PILOT 2: It's rotating. 296 00:14:34,766 --> 00:14:37,333 GRAVES: You see the object appears to rotate, 297 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:40,733 and then the video cuts out at that point. 298 00:14:40,733 --> 00:14:43,000 (sighs): You know, so, I don't know what the Gimbal is. 299 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,633 We still don't know what it is. 300 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,333 NARRATOR: There's no doubt many of the recordings of U.F.Os. 301 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:52,933 made by Navy pilots look very strange. 302 00:14:52,933 --> 00:14:55,033 To try to decode them, 303 00:14:55,033 --> 00:14:57,433 it's crucial to understand the kinds of sensors 304 00:14:57,433 --> 00:14:59,500 and cameras being used. 305 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:01,600 So the vast majority of the evidence 306 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,933 that's excited the public imagination 307 00:15:03,933 --> 00:15:06,033 about these videos comes in the form 308 00:15:06,033 --> 00:15:07,900 of infrared imagery. 309 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:12,700 NARRATOR: Imagery taken with an onboard infrared camera system 310 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:14,700 called ATFLIR. 311 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:16,866 Sean Kirkpatrick, former director 312 00:15:16,866 --> 00:15:18,700 of the government's department in charge 313 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:21,666 of investigating U.A.Ps... What is it reflecting... 314 00:15:21,666 --> 00:15:23,666 NARRATOR: ...and engineer Josh Semeter 315 00:15:23,666 --> 00:15:28,033 explore how the world looks in infrared light 316 00:15:28,033 --> 00:15:31,533 with the help of Teledyne engineer Donnell Lago. 317 00:15:31,533 --> 00:15:33,533 So what you have here is, you got 318 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:36,100 the visible on this side here, it's a 4K visible image, 319 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,233 and then the thermal on this side. 320 00:15:38,233 --> 00:15:41,400 NARRATOR: On the right side of the screen, 321 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,633 the camera is capturing visible light: 322 00:15:43,633 --> 00:15:47,033 light the human eye can see. 323 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:48,900 But on the left side, 324 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:51,366 the Boston skyline looks radically different, 325 00:15:51,366 --> 00:15:53,500 because this is a thermal image, 326 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:55,733 taken with an infrared camera 327 00:15:55,733 --> 00:15:58,933 that detects variations in temperature. 328 00:15:58,933 --> 00:16:00,400 The cars on the bridge 329 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,000 are emitting more heat than the background. 330 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,433 The more heat an object emits, the whiter it appears. 331 00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:09,333 The less, the darker it gets. 332 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:12,166 And can you switch that? Yes, we can invert it. 333 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:15,033 We can make everything that's black hot 334 00:16:15,033 --> 00:16:17,200 and everything that's white cold. 335 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,933 And that's exactly what we see our pilots doing. 336 00:16:19,933 --> 00:16:23,700 Pilots, when they see things, 337 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,433 they will toggle back and forth 338 00:16:25,433 --> 00:16:28,200 so that they can try to get the best contrast... Mm. 339 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,233 ...to try to figure out what they're looking at, you know. 340 00:16:30,233 --> 00:16:33,633 So why don't we try and see if we can see any aircraft? 341 00:16:33,633 --> 00:16:36,966 NARRATOR: Even on a hazy day like this... 342 00:16:36,966 --> 00:16:38,900 There's an aircraft, there we go. Ah, there we go. 343 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:40,866 NARRATOR: ...it doesn't take long to spot one. 344 00:16:40,866 --> 00:16:42,433 KIRKPATRICK: There is an aircraft 345 00:16:42,433 --> 00:16:45,433 that you can't tell, in the infrared, is an aircraft. 346 00:16:45,433 --> 00:16:47,133 Mm-mm. But in the visible, I sure can. 347 00:16:47,133 --> 00:16:48,133 Yep. Exactly. 348 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:49,366 All right? 349 00:16:49,366 --> 00:16:52,700 And now, why don't we switch it to black is hot? 350 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,166 Play the same game, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 351 00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:56,233 Play the same game and see what it looks like. 352 00:16:56,233 --> 00:16:57,866 LAGO: There's a plane there. SEMETER: Mm-hmm, oh, there we go. 353 00:16:57,866 --> 00:16:59,333 There's a plane, there's a plane, there's a plane. Okay, yep. 354 00:16:59,333 --> 00:17:00,433 There we go. 355 00:17:00,433 --> 00:17:03,000 KIRKPATRICK: There you go. 356 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,066 SEMETER: I saw this just little dot tripping through the field. 357 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:09,200 And I was only looking at the infrared camera. 358 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,300 And Sean, who was watching the visual camera 359 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:13,233 next door, said, "There's an airplane." 360 00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:14,733 And I looked over 361 00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:17,633 and this enormous aircraft was moving through the scene. 362 00:17:17,633 --> 00:17:19,966 KIRKPATRICK: It's just a blob. 363 00:17:19,966 --> 00:17:21,966 LAGO: Just a little blob, yeah. 364 00:17:21,966 --> 00:17:24,266 So that was an image of the engine. KIRKPATRICK: Yeah. 365 00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:26,600 LAGO: Yeah. KIRKPATRICK: That's basically all you saw-- you didn't see 366 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,333 the rest of the fuselage. 367 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:30,200 The world looks very different 368 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,800 in the infrared versus the visible. 369 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,166 NARRATOR: Exploring the deceptive nature of infrared light 370 00:17:36,166 --> 00:17:38,800 provides scientists with valuable clues 371 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,400 to why a plane could take on an otherworldly shape. 372 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,900 But it doesn't explain why the Gimbal 373 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:50,900 seems to move in ways that defy physics. 374 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,366 The Gimbal video is one of 375 00:17:53,366 --> 00:17:54,866 the most famous U.F.O. videos, 376 00:17:54,866 --> 00:17:56,566 and with good reason, I think, 377 00:17:56,566 --> 00:17:57,866 because it looks like a flying saucer. 378 00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:03,633 NARRATOR: U.F.O. investigator and conspiracy debunker Mick West 379 00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:07,366 spent years analyzing the Gimbal video 380 00:18:07,366 --> 00:18:09,266 frame by frame, 381 00:18:09,266 --> 00:18:12,400 clue by clue. 382 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,433 The interesting thing about the Gimbal video, 383 00:18:14,433 --> 00:18:15,866 besides it being a flying saucer, 384 00:18:15,866 --> 00:18:17,800 is this rotation it does. 385 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,400 And this was very puzzling. 386 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,733 It took a long time to figure out 387 00:18:22,733 --> 00:18:24,800 what might be going on there. 388 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,666 NARRATOR: Mick brings a unique set of skills to this challenge. 389 00:18:28,666 --> 00:18:30,233 (characters exclaiming and grunting) 390 00:18:30,233 --> 00:18:34,633 WEST: I used to program video games many years ago. 391 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:37,666 I really enjoy the process of solving puzzles, 392 00:18:37,666 --> 00:18:41,833 and I use my 3D geometry and trigonometry 393 00:18:41,833 --> 00:18:45,000   and algebra and all the skills that I use in games programming 394 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,366 to analyze the U.F.Os. 395 00:18:47,366 --> 00:18:48,866 ♪ ♪ 396 00:18:48,866 --> 00:18:50,433 NARRATOR: Mick starts his investigation 397 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:54,633 of the Gimbal by combing through publicly available information. 398 00:18:54,633 --> 00:19:00,100 The plane that captured the Gimbal video is an F/A-18, 399 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,700 equipped with an infrared camera mounted beneath the wing 400 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:05,266 in a targeting pod. 401 00:19:05,266 --> 00:19:07,666 Next, 402 00:19:07,666 --> 00:19:11,066 he builds a simulation of the plane and the camera, 403 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:15,233 which is on a device called a gimbal. 404 00:19:15,233 --> 00:19:20,166 The gimbal enables the camera to rotate as it tracks a target. 405 00:19:20,166 --> 00:19:23,266 But the camera isn't the only thing in motion. 406 00:19:23,266 --> 00:19:24,966 ♪ ♪ 407 00:19:24,966 --> 00:19:28,966 The pilot's display reveals that the object is also moving, 408 00:19:28,966 --> 00:19:33,033 from the left side of the plane to the right. 409 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:35,666 WEST: To track something 410 00:19:35,666 --> 00:19:37,200 going from left to right, 411 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,866 which is what we're seeing here, the camera actually 412 00:19:39,866 --> 00:19:42,733 has to rotate, and it has to rotate a specific amount 413 00:19:42,733 --> 00:19:45,533 as it traverses over from one side to the other. 414 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,966 NARRATOR: Using the simulation he's created, 415 00:19:49,966 --> 00:19:52,666 Mick makes a surprising discovery. 416 00:19:52,666 --> 00:19:55,433 WEST: The amount the gimbal rotates and the time it rotates 417 00:19:55,433 --> 00:19:56,933 is exactly what would be needed 418 00:19:56,933 --> 00:20:00,733 for the camera to track this object. 419 00:20:00,733 --> 00:20:04,600 NARRATOR: He's come up with a theory about why the object 420 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,566 appears to rotate, 421 00:20:06,566 --> 00:20:09,933 and sets up an experiment to demonstrate how it works, 422 00:20:09,933 --> 00:20:12,866 using his cell phone and his desk lamp. 423 00:20:12,866 --> 00:20:15,866 WEST: Take your cell phone 424 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:18,033 and point the camera at a, a bright light, a single light. 425 00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:21,400 And then rotate your cell phone. 426 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,866 So you've got a rotating camera, but nothing is rotating, 427 00:20:24,866 --> 00:20:27,566 except the artifacts of the camera. 428 00:20:27,566 --> 00:20:30,533 So if you have a glare, like an artifact of the camera, 429 00:20:30,533 --> 00:20:32,100 when the camera rotates, 430 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,666 the scene itself doesn't rotate, but the glare rotates. 431 00:20:35,666 --> 00:20:39,233 And I think that's what we're seeing in the Gimbal video. 432 00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:41,600 It's possibly something like a distant plane, 433 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,933 something that's hot off in the distance. 434 00:20:43,933 --> 00:20:46,800 The heat of the engine was kind of pointing towards the camera, 435 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,900 and that kind of bloomed in the camera 436 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:50,466 and created this glare 437 00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:53,500 that was so big, it obscured the entire plane. 438 00:20:54,866 --> 00:20:59,400 NARRATOR: But not everyone agrees with this theory. 439 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,466 I want to be clear that that's entirely possible, 440 00:21:01,466 --> 00:21:02,833 but I personally 441 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:05,166 don't find that particularly likely. 442 00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:08,166 The reason for that is strictly, this FLIR system 443 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:11,933   is something that military personnel are trained to use 444 00:21:11,933 --> 00:21:14,500 to identify adversary and friendly aircraft. 445 00:21:15,766 --> 00:21:18,866 NARRATOR: Pilots are well aware of how the gimbal system works, 446 00:21:18,866 --> 00:21:23,366 as well as the nature of common camera artifacts, like glare. 447 00:21:23,366 --> 00:21:25,433 GRAVES: I don't think this was a distant plane. 448 00:21:25,433 --> 00:21:27,766 I do believe it was an object that was about 449 00:21:27,766 --> 00:21:30,466 four to six miles away from the fighter aircraft, 450 00:21:30,466 --> 00:21:32,833 not a distant jet at 30 nautical miles away. 451 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:36,133 If it was a distant jet, where would it come from? 452 00:21:36,133 --> 00:21:38,700 Why were we not receiving any indications 453 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,000 that it was or was not part of our strike group? 454 00:21:42,566 --> 00:21:44,266 NARRATOR: In 2021, 455 00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:46,733 the Department of Defense formed AARO, 456 00:21:46,733 --> 00:21:49,866 the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, 457 00:21:49,866 --> 00:21:53,866 to investigate U.A.Ps. like the Gimbal. 458 00:21:53,866 --> 00:22:00,300 To date, AARO considers this case "unresolved." 459 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:02,800 So for us, anything that remains unidentified 460 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,266 is a severe threat that we should be paying attention to 461 00:22:05,266 --> 00:22:06,933 as tactical aviators, 462 00:22:06,933 --> 00:22:09,000 because that's exactly what we're training to identify. 463 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,833 ♪ ♪ 464 00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:13,566 NARRATOR: The Gimbal isn't the only U.A.P. 465 00:22:13,566 --> 00:22:18,200 that appears to defy the laws of physics. 466 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,333 2013, just after dark at the airport 467 00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:24,066 in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. 468 00:22:24,066 --> 00:22:26,600 U.S. Customs and Border Control 469 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,633 captured this video of an oddly behaving object. 470 00:22:31,633 --> 00:22:35,766 KIRKPATRICK: It looks like the object is traveling quickly. 471 00:22:35,766 --> 00:22:40,133 It looks like it's disappearing into the water 472 00:22:40,133 --> 00:22:42,666 and coming out of the water, 473 00:22:42,666 --> 00:22:44,300 and disappearing again, coming out, 474 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,366 and it's splitting into two, 475 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,300 and kind of disappearing completely. 476 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:53,533 Enthusiasts will point to that and say 477 00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:59,466 that is evidence of warp drives or interdimensional drives 478 00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:00,800 and that it's transmedium 479 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,566 because it's going in and out of the water. 480 00:23:02,566 --> 00:23:04,166 Let me see. 481 00:23:04,166 --> 00:23:06,866 NARRATOR: But could there be another reason 482 00:23:06,866 --> 00:23:09,500 that's more down to Earth? 483 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:12,233 So let's do this as a controlled experiment. 484 00:23:12,233 --> 00:23:14,100 NARRATOR: Engineer Josh Semeter 485 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,900 enlists the help of Sean Kirkpatrick, 486 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,666 former director of AARO, to cook up an idea: 487 00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:25,800 can they recreate this disappearing act in the lab 488 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,133 with a knife, spoon, and fork 489 00:23:28,133 --> 00:23:32,400 and two surrogate U.F.Os.? 490 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,100 What I thought we'd try to use 491 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,733 to do this is a infrared sensor. 492 00:23:35,733 --> 00:23:38,733 It just clips on like so. 493 00:23:38,733 --> 00:23:41,433 NARRATOR: They set it up on a tripod, 494 00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:44,400 take a look, and see 495 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,400 absolutely nothing. 496 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,333 SEMETER: We're not seeing anything at all 497 00:23:49,333 --> 00:23:51,533 in these objects. 498 00:23:51,533 --> 00:23:53,933 NARRATOR: Sean takes the spoon and fork, along with 499 00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,500 one of the U.A.P. surrogates, 500 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,800 and puts them in a cooler. 501 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600 For just about-- what do you think, Josh? 502 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,533 A second? Ten seconds? Yeah. 503 00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:05,200 It doesn't take long-- I'd say ten seconds. 504 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,800 It's more than enough. 505 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,433 NARRATOR: About ten seconds later, give or take... 506 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:12,266 KIRKPATRICK: All right, let's take them out and see what they look like. 507 00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:15,266 Put that 508 00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:16,966 right back where they were. 509 00:24:16,966 --> 00:24:18,366 And what do we got? 510 00:24:18,366 --> 00:24:19,800 SEMETER: Well, there's three objects there. 511 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,466 Wow, that's pretty stark. 512 00:24:21,466 --> 00:24:23,166 NARRATOR: We can see the fork and spoon, 513 00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:27,000 along with one of the U.F.O. surrogates. 514 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,200 SEMETER: And... 515 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,666 KIRKPATRICK: I don't see the other two. 516 00:24:29,666 --> 00:24:31,233 Cannot find the other two. 517 00:24:31,233 --> 00:24:32,533 But they are clearly there. 518 00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:35,266 NARRATOR: But over the next few minutes, 519 00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:38,100 they gradually disappear again. 520 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,900 The question is, why? 521 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:42,300 SEMETER: There is a tendency 522 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,533 for objects that are at different temperatures, 523 00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:47,433 when they're in contact, to eventually reach 524 00:24:47,433 --> 00:24:49,066 the same temperature as one another. 525 00:24:49,066 --> 00:24:52,166 NARRATOR: It's not a magic trick. 526 00:24:52,166 --> 00:24:55,100 For an object to show up in infrared light, 527 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,133 it must be a different temperature 528 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:59,600 than objects it is in contact with. 529 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,966 So, when the fork and spoon exchanged thermal energy 530 00:25:03,966 --> 00:25:07,833 with the table, thermal equilibrium is reached, 531 00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:11,733 making them invisible in infrared light. 532 00:25:11,733 --> 00:25:14,866 And that brings us back 533 00:25:14,866 --> 00:25:18,533 to the disappearing objects in the Puerto Rico video, 534 00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:23,800 which were also captured with an infrared sensor. 535 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,933 As the object becomes the same 536 00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:29,266 either temperature or irradiance as the background, 537 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,966 you won't be able to see it. 538 00:25:31,966 --> 00:25:33,600 It'll become nearly invisible, 539 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,566 and it looks like it disappears. 540 00:25:36,566 --> 00:25:40,166 NARRATOR: After months of carefully analyzing the video, 541 00:25:40,166 --> 00:25:44,133 scientists think they have an answer. 542 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:45,866 KIRKPATRICK: We think they're two birds, 543 00:25:45,866 --> 00:25:47,400 and when they get close to the water, 544 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,000 the effect on the sensor kicks in, 545 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,633 where it's having a hard time distinguishing the contrast 546 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,966 between the background and the birds, 547 00:25:54,966 --> 00:25:56,800 and they look like they disappear, 548 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,233 and then they reappear 549 00:25:58,233 --> 00:25:59,933 because the reflectance changes, and then they separate, 550 00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,600 and then it looks like they land in the water. 551 00:26:04,133 --> 00:26:05,766 NARRATOR: This demo doesn't capture 552 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:08,333 all the conditions of this sighting, 553 00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:09,933 but Sean and Josh believe 554 00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,400 that shifts in temperature and reflection 555 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,900 might explain the apparent disappearing act. 556 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,366 SEMETER: I'm satisfied with that explanation, 557 00:26:19,366 --> 00:26:21,566 because that's how a scientist speaks 558 00:26:21,566 --> 00:26:24,433 with respect to some phenomenon that's not known. 559 00:26:24,433 --> 00:26:26,700 We don't speak in certainty. 560 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,066 So, for instance, 561 00:26:28,066 --> 00:26:30,266 if one were to say, 562 00:26:30,266 --> 00:26:32,900 "That is either 563 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,500 "two birds flying over the ocean 564 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:40,100 "or it is a alien anti-gravity technology 565 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:44,233 exhibiting transmedium characteristics," 566 00:26:44,233 --> 00:26:47,133 I choose the bird explanation. 567 00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,500 NARRATOR: The sighting in Puerto Rico 568 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,200 might simply be two birds, 569 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,333 and the Gimbal video might be a distant plane, 570 00:26:59,333 --> 00:27:01,966 but one of the most famous U.F.O. sightings 571 00:27:01,966 --> 00:27:05,400 has been even more challenging for investigators. 572 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,666 DIETRICH: I was an eyewitness 573 00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,266 to what is considered 574 00:27:09,266 --> 00:27:10,766 one of the most important 575 00:27:10,766 --> 00:27:14,300 U.F.O. or U.A.P. encounters, 576 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:18,200 and that's the U.S.S. Nimitz- Tic Tac encounter. 577 00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:22,633 NARRATOR: November 14, 2004. 578 00:27:23,833 --> 00:27:26,933 About a hundred miles southwest of San Diego, 579 00:27:26,933 --> 00:27:31,266 Alex Dietrich, then a young aviator-in-training, 580 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,100 along with her commanding officer, 581 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,566 David Fravor, a seasoned pilot 582 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:39,466 with more than a decade of flying under his belt, 583 00:27:39,466 --> 00:27:44,466 set out on a routine training exercise. 584 00:27:44,466 --> 00:27:47,200 DIETRICH: It was clear blue skies, calm waters, 585 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,633 when we get a call by this controller, 586 00:27:51,633 --> 00:27:53,333   kind of like an air traffic controller 587 00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:54,900 for our military exercise, 588 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:57,600 and they say, "Hey, we need you to go 589 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,933 and check out this contact over here." 590 00:28:00,166 --> 00:28:02,833 NARRATOR: The radar on one of the ships in the strike group 591 00:28:02,833 --> 00:28:06,366 had detected an unknown object. 592 00:28:06,366 --> 00:28:10,300   And this is 2004, just a few years after 9/11. 593 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,033 The hair on the back of our neck stands up, 594 00:28:12,033 --> 00:28:13,700 and we go, "Hm, okay." 595 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:17,533 And we divert and we head towards it. 596 00:28:17,533 --> 00:28:21,100   ♪ ♪ 597 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:25,000 And we don't see anything initially. 598 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,233 But somebody sees a disturbance in the water, 599 00:28:28,233 --> 00:28:32,966 and this strange thing is flying 600 00:28:32,966 --> 00:28:35,566 very fast but erratically 601 00:28:35,566 --> 00:28:39,333 over the, this area of, of water. 602 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:42,700 It was off-white. 603 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,866 You know, sort of a, a white, creamish color. 604 00:28:45,866 --> 00:28:49,033 We didn't see a cockpit, we didn't see windows, 605 00:28:49,033 --> 00:28:50,833 and it moved in ways that we didn't understand. 606 00:28:50,833 --> 00:28:54,533 NARRATOR: Dietrich and Fravor returned to the Nimitz 607 00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:58,800 without taking video of the object, 608 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,066 so another aircraft went in pursuit 609 00:29:01,066 --> 00:29:04,833 and captured this. 610 00:29:04,833 --> 00:29:07,500 DIETRICH: We call it affectionately a Tic Tac, 611 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,933 because it looks like the little breath mint. 612 00:29:12,766 --> 00:29:17,166 NARRATOR: Mick West decides to take on the challenge, 613 00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:20,566 to see if he can make sense of the movement of the Tic Tac. 614 00:29:20,566 --> 00:29:22,400 WEST: It's a very blurry video. 615 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,666 I think it's actually out of focus, 616 00:29:24,666 --> 00:29:27,133 and it's not actually doing anything. 617 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,700 It's just basically flying away 618 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,900 and a bit to the left 619 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:33,700 in more or less a straightish line. 620 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:34,933 But the thing is, 621 00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:36,900 David Fravor's description is very dramatic. 622 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,600 NARRATOR: In fact, 623 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,466 when Commander David Fravor 624 00:29:40,466 --> 00:29:43,700 testified before Congress in 2023, 625 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,166 he described an object that, 626 00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,966 in his 18 years of flying, 627 00:29:47,966 --> 00:29:50,266 traveled at speeds 628 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:51,900 he'd never seen before. 629 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,266 FRAVOR: As we looked around, 630 00:29:53,266 --> 00:29:54,533 we saw a white Tic Tac object 631 00:29:54,533 --> 00:29:57,000 with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south 632 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,200 and moving very abruptly over the water, 633 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,400 like a Ping-Pong ball. 634 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,966 WEST: He talks about the object 635 00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:04,700 kind of Ping-Ponging around close to the ocean, 636 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,700 and then doing this very difficult 637 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,966 synchronized movement up towards the top. 638 00:30:08,966 --> 00:30:11,866 ♪ ♪ 639 00:30:11,866 --> 00:30:13,733 I'm going to tie it off over here. 640 00:30:13,733 --> 00:30:15,600 NARRATOR: Mick conducts an experiment 641 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,566 based solely on the pilots' eyewitness reports, 642 00:30:19,566 --> 00:30:22,666 using his backyard swimming pool 643 00:30:22,666 --> 00:30:25,266 and his version of the Tic Tac. 644 00:30:25,266 --> 00:30:27,766 WEST: Yeah, I made the Tic Tac out of a piece of wood 645 00:30:27,766 --> 00:30:29,966 and some bits of white wire and painted it white. 646 00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:34,733 NARRATOR: He suspends his Tic Tac over the swimming pool... 647 00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:36,266 WEST: About there. 648 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,700 NARRATOR: ...climbs up a ladder with his phone, 649 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,966 and starts recording. 650 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,366 WEST: So, what I set up 651 00:30:44,366 --> 00:30:47,233 with the pool demo is just a good illustration 652 00:30:47,233 --> 00:30:49,733 of what might have happened to try to figure out, 653 00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:51,166 what's actually moving here? 654 00:30:52,633 --> 00:30:56,033 Is this object moving or is the camera moving? 655 00:30:56,033 --> 00:30:58,900 Because we don't have any frame of reference, 656 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,533 we've just got the pool behind it, 657 00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:01,733 and so you kind of zoom in a little bit, 658 00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:03,866 so all you see is the pool, 659 00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:05,933 it really looks like the object is moving. 660 00:31:05,933 --> 00:31:08,933 NARRATOR: Even though it's not. 661 00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:12,000 It's only the camera that's moving. 662 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,533 WEST: It's a good illustration of parallax, 663 00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:16,800 which, as we know, 664 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,700 is one of the big causes of optical illusions. 665 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,266 ♪ ♪ 666 00:31:21,266 --> 00:31:23,266 NARRATOR: You may have experienced this illusion 667 00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:24,633 looking out the window of a train. 668 00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:28,166 The trees just outside the window 669 00:31:28,166 --> 00:31:30,100 appear to be moving in relation 670 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,200 to the landscape in the background, 671 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,033 but the only thing that's actually moving is you. 672 00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,700 OLUSEYI: We're not reliable-- our eyes are not reliable. 673 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,600 If you're going to court, 674 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,333 and you're the accused, 675 00:31:43,333 --> 00:31:45,466 and it's a eyewitness testimony 676 00:31:45,466 --> 00:31:47,733 that's going to, you know, the big evidence 677 00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:49,133 against you, good luck. 678 00:31:49,133 --> 00:31:50,866 ♪ ♪ 679 00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:52,266 HOLLINGS: So, when a military aviator, 680 00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:53,866 especially someone like Commander Fravor, 681 00:31:53,866 --> 00:31:55,500 with combat experience, 682 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,133 says that they saw something in the sky 683 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:01,600 that they can't quite explain, that operated in a way 684 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,433 that seemed to contradict what they understand 685 00:32:04,433 --> 00:32:06,766 the laws of physics would dictate, 686 00:32:06,766 --> 00:32:09,566 I tend to give those witness testimonies 687 00:32:09,566 --> 00:32:12,700 a great deal of credence, because these aviators 688 00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,566 are not just highly trained pilots, 689 00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,433 they're highly trained combatants. 690 00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:18,733 The pilot observation is, 691 00:32:18,733 --> 00:32:20,600 "I see something." 692 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,533 The data we need 693 00:32:22,533 --> 00:32:24,600 is what the sensor is gathering. 694 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,066 And that's the numbers we actually need. 695 00:32:27,066 --> 00:32:29,700 KIRKPATRICK: In the case of the Tic Tac, 696 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,866 the pilot did see something, 697 00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,033 but some of the key technical questions 698 00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,066 hadn't been investigated at the time, 699 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:38,966 and trying to investigate those now 700 00:32:38,966 --> 00:32:41,733 is not going to give us a whole lot, 701 00:32:41,733 --> 00:32:43,600 because there's nothing to really examine. 702 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,933 The farther back in time you go, 703 00:32:46,933 --> 00:32:50,533 the less data there is for every one of these cases. 704 00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:53,766 And back in 2004, 705 00:32:53,766 --> 00:32:56,600 there was no data retention policy 706 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,133 for these kinds of events. 707 00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:01,900 Side... Yeah. SEMETER: This one? Yeah, so, we're looking... 708 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,900 NARRATOR: According to Sean Kirkpatrick, 709 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,033 the radar data from the incident no longer exists, 710 00:33:07,033 --> 00:33:08,700 so we'll never know 711 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:14,366 if it would support or rule out Mick's parallax theory. 712 00:33:14,366 --> 00:33:16,133 DIETRICH: I don't know what we saw, 713 00:33:16,133 --> 00:33:18,400 and I refuse to speculate, 714 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,033 because I think it would be irresponsible of me to say, 715 00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:23,800 you know, "Well, it was definitely 716 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,433 an adversary spying on us," 717 00:33:25,433 --> 00:33:28,066 or, "It was definitely an alien 718 00:33:28,066 --> 00:33:31,033 visiting from outer space," because I don't know. 719 00:33:32,666 --> 00:33:36,500 NARRATOR: For Alex, that was the end of the Tic Tac story. 720 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,200 DIETRICH: And then I went on with my life, 721 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,566 my career, and I didn't really think about it. 722 00:33:40,566 --> 00:33:45,066 NARRATOR: That is, until 13 years later, 723 00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:48,300 when "The New York Times" published this article 724 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,033 with links to the Tic Tac and Gimbal videos. 725 00:33:52,033 --> 00:33:54,800 When "The New York Times" released this story, 726 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,500 it really gave the whole topic a bit of credibility, 727 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,466 where a lot of people saw it as taboo and sort of silly, 728 00:34:01,466 --> 00:34:03,366 but if the U.S. government has been investing 729 00:34:03,366 --> 00:34:04,900 tens of millions of dollars 730 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,800 into investigating these reports, 731 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,766 there seems like there could be something to it. 732 00:34:09,933 --> 00:34:12,166 HAQQ-MISRA: People are interested 733 00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:13,900 in this topic of U.F.Os., 734 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:15,933 and Congress has begun to get involved. 735 00:34:15,933 --> 00:34:16,933 There's been a couple 736 00:34:16,933 --> 00:34:18,733 of congressional hearings 737 00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:20,533 calling expert witnesses 738 00:34:20,533 --> 00:34:22,933 to try and figure out what's going on here. 739 00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:23,966 NICK LANGWORTHY: In your belief, 740 00:34:23,966 --> 00:34:25,733 is this, 741 00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:27,600 this flying Tic Tac, I mean, is this, 742 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,133 is it capable of being 743 00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:32,500 the product of any other nation on the Earth? 744 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,900 No, I, actually, I think it defies current material science 745 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,066 and the ability to develop that much propulsion. 746 00:34:38,066 --> 00:34:39,766 And I know there's been some physicists 747 00:34:39,766 --> 00:34:41,366 who have done calculations, which is beyond 748 00:34:41,366 --> 00:34:42,900 anything that we have. 749 00:34:44,233 --> 00:34:46,400 NARRATOR: Should we be concerned that some U.F.Os. 750 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,500 are advanced technologies from out of this world? 751 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:55,533 Or secret technologies developed by our adversaries? 752 00:34:55,533 --> 00:34:58,833 Or could there be another reason 753 00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:03,666 U.F.Os. have remained so elusive for decades? 754 00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:08,666 Remember, back in 1947, in Roswell, New Mexico, 755 00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:12,766 when a rancher found strange debris in his pasture? 756 00:35:12,766 --> 00:35:15,733 The Air Force said it was from a weather balloon. 757 00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:18,433 But, as it turns out, 758 00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:21,500 it was part of a classified U.S. military program 759 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,400 called Project Mogul. 760 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,833 ROJAS: The Air Force launched these balloons, 761 00:35:27,833 --> 00:35:29,366 and they had these sensors on them 762 00:35:29,366 --> 00:35:31,100 where they can measure vibrations in the air 763 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,466 to be able to monitor Russian nuclear testing. 764 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:38,200 The general in Fort Worth, Texas, decided, 765 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,000 "I'm going to cover up this classified project, 766 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,300 "and I'm going to show the public 767 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,266 that what we recovered was a weather balloon." 768 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,266 NARRATOR: It would take half a century 769 00:35:49,266 --> 00:35:51,000 for the Air Force to admit 770 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,833 exactly what had crashed in Roswell. 771 00:35:54,833 --> 00:35:56,200 So there was a cover-up, 772 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,966 but it was a cover-up of a classified project, 773 00:35:57,966 --> 00:36:02,500 not, you know, an alien spacecraft. 774 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,700 The secrecy led to the conspiracy, 775 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,533 and certainly the Air Force did not help themselves 776 00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:13,900 by being secret and dismissive of the topic. 777 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,400 NARRATOR: When it comes to government cover-ups, 778 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,966 perhaps the most infamous is Area 51. 779 00:36:21,966 --> 00:36:23,966 Tales of alien spacecraft 780 00:36:23,966 --> 00:36:26,900 hidden inside this remote Air Force base 781 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,733 about 83 miles northwest of Las Vegas 782 00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:32,700 have persisted for decades. 783 00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,733 It turns out, the military has been secretly 784 00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:39,366 developing cutting-edge technology here 785 00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:41,000 since the 1950s, 786 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,100 but did not even acknowledge the existence of the base 787 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,633 until 2013. 788 00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,733 HOLLINGS: There are lots of aircraft 789 00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:52,166 we know have been tested at Area 51 790 00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:54,233 entirely in secret at the time, 791 00:36:54,233 --> 00:36:56,000 including the F-117, 792 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,966 the SR-71, 793 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,833 the B-2 Spirit, and many more. 794 00:37:00,833 --> 00:37:02,600 Right around the same time 795 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,666 the B-2 Spirit was in development, 796 00:37:04,666 --> 00:37:07,900 common sightings of U.F.Os. around the United States 797 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:11,200 tended to transition away from the pie saucer shape 798 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,133 we were familiar with in earlier decades 799 00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:16,266 and toward a more triangular shape. 800 00:37:16,266 --> 00:37:20,800 This is a model of what people claim was the TR-3B, 801 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,700 which is a legendary aircraft that people allege was built 802 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,266 using reverse-engineered alien technology. 803 00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:31,000 NARRATOR: By the 1990s, 804 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400 rumors of triangular-shaped spacecraft 805 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,400 became so widespread, 806 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,966 they became part of popular culture. 807 00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:40,700 Blockbusters like "The X-Files" 808 00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,466 featured a triangular-shaped alien spacecraft 809 00:37:44,466 --> 00:37:47,366 hovering over Agent Fox Mulder's head. 810 00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:48,933 ♪ ♪ 811 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:50,733 HOLLINGS: I think the government should and does 812 00:37:50,733 --> 00:37:52,666 expect that the public is going 813 00:37:52,666 --> 00:37:54,300 to fill in the blanks as they see fit. 814 00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,200 As long as people are talking 815 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,266 about aliens operating out of Area 51, 816 00:37:59,266 --> 00:38:01,533 well, then, they're not revealing anything 817 00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:03,433 about the legitimate military platforms 818 00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:04,600 that are being tested there. 819 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,566 It creates a bit of a smokescreen. 820 00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:10,800 OLUSEYI: There's always 821 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,433 advanced technological programs going on 822 00:38:13,433 --> 00:38:16,566 that are on a need-to-know basis. 823 00:38:16,566 --> 00:38:18,500 If you don't need to know, even if you are 824 00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:20,966 a member of the government or the military, 825 00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:22,200 you're not going to know. 826 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,366 And that's the way it should be. 827 00:38:23,366 --> 00:38:25,166 ♪ ♪ 828 00:38:25,166 --> 00:38:27,266 KIRKPATRICK: This is all about spy versus spy 829 00:38:27,266 --> 00:38:29,600 or military versus military 830 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200 to maintain technical superiority. 831 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,766 We don't want other people to learn what we're building, 832 00:38:36,766 --> 00:38:38,566 where we might employ it, 833 00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:40,833 because then they can defeat it. 834 00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,100 There are reasons to do that. 835 00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:43,900 None of it is alien. 836 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,233 None of it. 837 00:38:46,233 --> 00:38:48,500 ♪ ♪ 838 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,766 MOUNTAIN: I think we are in an era where 839 00:38:50,766 --> 00:38:53,233 conspiracy theories are popular. 840 00:38:53,233 --> 00:38:54,533 Is this another one? 841 00:38:55,966 --> 00:38:57,733 NARRATOR: When it comes to sightings 842 00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:00,466 by military pilots and the public, 843 00:39:00,466 --> 00:39:02,500 how can science help separate 844 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,766 unfounded conspiracy theories from reality, 845 00:39:06,766 --> 00:39:09,566 fact from fiction? 846 00:39:09,566 --> 00:39:11,366 MOUNTAIN: From the very days that Galileo 847 00:39:11,366 --> 00:39:13,466 first lifted his telescope to the sky 848 00:39:13,466 --> 00:39:16,700 and made measurements of the moons going around Jupiter, 849 00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,533 everybody else could then reproduce those measurements 850 00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:21,133 and go, "Oh, yeah, he's right." 851 00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:23,133 And that confirmation 852 00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:26,466 is what has made the scientific method so powerful 853 00:39:26,466 --> 00:39:27,633 over the last 400 years. 854 00:39:27,633 --> 00:39:30,466 The thing we need is data, 855 00:39:30,466 --> 00:39:34,133 and we need real data, and we don't have it. 856 00:39:34,133 --> 00:39:36,533 We at NASA are... 857 00:39:36,533 --> 00:39:37,900 NARRATOR: In 2022, 858 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,233 NASA brought together a group of experts 859 00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:42,766 to explore ways to collect that data. 860 00:39:42,766 --> 00:39:45,200 NASA should lead the scientific discourse. 861 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,400 We need to elevate this conversation. 862 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,333 SEMETER: The NASA U.A.P. panel 863 00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:51,800 was formed to bring 864 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,000 that science perspective into this. 865 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400 That analysis has not been done. 866 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,666 A lot of people argue that we have data, 867 00:39:59,666 --> 00:40:02,533 but the vast majority of that data is anecdotal, 868 00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:05,266 and that's just not going to cut it. 869 00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:07,233 NARRATOR: The panel recommended several ways 870 00:40:07,233 --> 00:40:08,933 to collect more data, 871 00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:12,266 including repurposing existing technology, 872 00:40:12,266 --> 00:40:14,633 like the National Weather Service's radar system, 873 00:40:14,633 --> 00:40:16,766 called NEXRAD-- 874 00:40:16,766 --> 00:40:20,833 radar stations that are found throughout the U.S. 875 00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:23,500 SEMETER: So those same sensors should be able to see 876 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,266 if an object comes whizzing through 877 00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:26,733 at an extraordinary velocity. 878 00:40:26,733 --> 00:40:28,566 It should be able to pick up that type of thing. 879 00:40:28,566 --> 00:40:30,733 That's just one example of the type of networks 880 00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:35,066 that we could repurpose for U.A.P. research. 881 00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:38,066 NARRATOR: Astronomer Avi Loeb 882 00:40:38,066 --> 00:40:41,066 is taking a different approach, collecting more data 883 00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,266 in a novel way. 884 00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,000 We just constructed 885 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,566 an observatory at Harvard University. 886 00:40:46,566 --> 00:40:50,600   We are monitoring objects that fly overhead 887 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,833 and trying to make sense of them. 888 00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:54,966 NARRATOR: This collection of instruments 889 00:40:54,966 --> 00:40:58,133 is part of Harvard's Galileo Project. 890 00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,200 The Galileo Project 891 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,300 is developing several sites 892 00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:03,633 that are spread across 893 00:41:03,633 --> 00:41:04,966 a geographical region, 894 00:41:04,966 --> 00:41:08,700 where each site has an array of sensors-- 895 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,433 optical cameras, 896 00:41:11,433 --> 00:41:13,700 infrared images. 897 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,700 There's audio from infrasound to ultrasound. 898 00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:21,233 There's radar. 899 00:41:21,233 --> 00:41:23,466 It's a wide array of instruments 900 00:41:23,466 --> 00:41:26,266 to basically look at the sky all the time 901 00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:28,366 to, to see if you find any anomalies. 902 00:41:29,666 --> 00:41:32,600 NARRATOR: Some instruments have otherworldly names, 903 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,733 like this one called Dalek, 904 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,466 after the cyborg aliens 905 00:41:37,466 --> 00:41:39,966 featured in the "Doctor Who" series. 906 00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:43,266 Inside Dalek, 907 00:41:43,266 --> 00:41:45,500 there are eight infrared cameras. 908 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,966 LOEB: Behind the window, there is a camera. 909 00:41:47,966 --> 00:41:49,433 They overlap. 910 00:41:49,433 --> 00:41:52,166 And so, they get the full picture 911 00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:55,366 of the entire sky at all times, in the infrared. 912 00:41:56,966 --> 00:41:58,833 When something of interest 913 00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:01,300 is identified by the main set of cameras, 914 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,533 we zoom on it in the sky, 915 00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:06,933 and this is the camera that can move around 916 00:42:06,933 --> 00:42:09,033 and look at the object of interest, 917 00:42:09,033 --> 00:42:14,000 automatically, based on the computer system that we develop. 918 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,166 You can imagine, if you have a camera pointing overhead, 919 00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:18,766 you're going to see a lot of things that are identifiable. 920 00:42:18,766 --> 00:42:20,133 So they use machine learning, 921 00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:21,966 what people call artificial intelligence, 922 00:42:21,966 --> 00:42:23,400 that can recognize the knowns, 923 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,400 recognize the birds, the airplanes, 924 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,400 the balloons, leaves, 925 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,566 all the known things, 926 00:42:28,566 --> 00:42:30,133 and sort of reject those, filter them out, 927 00:42:30,133 --> 00:42:32,600 and then what you're left with is the anomalies. 928 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,200 You're left with the things that you cannot understand, 929 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,766 the things you can't identify. 930 00:42:37,866 --> 00:42:40,933 And as we speak right now, 931 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:43,100 we are being recorded. (chuckles) 932 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,200 So far, we have been operating this observatory 933 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,800 for several months, and we saw 934 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,266 hundreds of thousands of objects in the sky. 935 00:42:53,266 --> 00:42:57,033 None of them appears to be anomalous. 936 00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:59,500 ♪ ♪ 937 00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:00,900 But even if one in a million 938 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,766 came from outside of this Earth, 939 00:43:02,766 --> 00:43:05,166 that would be big news to humanity 940 00:43:05,166 --> 00:43:07,200 and will change our future. 941 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,866 And that's what drives my science. 942 00:43:08,866 --> 00:43:12,666 ♪ ♪ 943 00:43:12,666 --> 00:43:14,666 GRAVES: One way or another, 944 00:43:14,666 --> 00:43:16,266 the more data we're, we're able to bring 945 00:43:16,266 --> 00:43:17,533 into this conversation, the more we're 946 00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:18,900 going to be able to get to the truth. 947 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,333 (keyboard clacking) 948 00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,900 NARRATOR: Ryan Graves is trying to collect data 949 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,666 from a different source: his fellow pilots, 950 00:43:25,666 --> 00:43:29,300 military and commercial. 951 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,333 But there's a problem. 952 00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:34,366 They're hesitant to share their experiences 953 00:43:34,366 --> 00:43:38,266 because of the taboo surrounding U.F.Os. 954 00:43:38,266 --> 00:43:39,866 GRAVES: They don't feel comfortable reporting 955 00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,733 because of that fear that there could be 956 00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:44,566 professional repercussions at their employer, 957 00:43:44,566 --> 00:43:47,433 social repercussions with their peers at the airline, 958 00:43:47,433 --> 00:43:50,866 because the conversation immediately jumps to, 959 00:43:50,866 --> 00:43:52,700 "Well, there's no proof there's extraterrestrials. 960 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:54,900 You couldn't travel across the universe to get here." 961 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,333 And it's, like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." (chuckles) 962 00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:59,166 Pilots are seeing things that are in the sky 963 00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:00,900 that they don't understand what they are 964 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:02,333 and are posing safety risks. 965 00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:03,933 That's where the conversation needs to stop. 966 00:44:03,933 --> 00:44:06,733 And hey, is this not only an aviation safety risk, 967 00:44:06,733 --> 00:44:08,400 but is this a potential national security risk? 968 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800 ♪ ♪ 969 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,766 IYA WHITELEY: So, I was asking pilots 970 00:44:14,766 --> 00:44:17,633 whether they have encountered the U.A.P., 971 00:44:17,633 --> 00:44:20,633 and they were very cagey about it. 972 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,633 NARRATOR: Aviation and space psychologist Iya Whiteley 973 00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:27,700 is working with Ryan, conducting research 974 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,666 to find out if this reluctance to talk 975 00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:33,500 about U.A.P. sightings also impacts a pilot's ability 976 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,400 to focus on the job, 977 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800 creating a safety issue. 978 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,933 WHITELEY: When the pilot's seeing something, 979 00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:43,333 I want to make sure that they're comfortable speaking about it, 980 00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:45,333 because it then occupies 981 00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:47,900 their capacity and focus and attention, 982 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,100 and takes them away from actually flying. 983 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,100 If you're trying to ignore something unidentified 984 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,966 in the distance, your mind is still thinking, 985 00:44:55,966 --> 00:44:57,766 "I'm not thinking about it, I'm not thinking about it. 986 00:44:57,766 --> 00:44:59,800 (chuckling): I'm not thinking about it, I'm not thinking about it." 987 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,833 And now they don't see what they need to be seeing. 988 00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:04,466 You were just asking about 989 00:45:04,466 --> 00:45:07,166 visual cues... Yes. 990 00:45:07,166 --> 00:45:08,900 ...and what attracts your attention. 991 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,766 Movement is what attracts your attention. 992 00:45:11,933 --> 00:45:14,366 GRAVES: Commercial pilots have been seeing objects that have been 993 00:45:14,366 --> 00:45:16,466 causing them some serious consternation. 994 00:45:16,466 --> 00:45:19,300 I don't think anyone would like 995 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:20,933 their pilot flying their aircraft 996 00:45:20,933 --> 00:45:22,433 to have an existential crisis 997 00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:25,433 as they're flying their aircraft and coming in for a landing. 998 00:45:25,433 --> 00:45:27,333 ♪ ♪ 999 00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:28,966 WEST: The more cases we can explain, 1000 00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:30,800 the less distraction there's going to be. 1001 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,766 And if there is actually any real threat 1002 00:45:32,766 --> 00:45:34,566 or any real issue out there, 1003 00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:36,366 then we can focus in on that 1004 00:45:36,366 --> 00:45:38,000 without all this extra noise. 1005 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,500 NARRATOR: And there's another way 1006 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,133 we can collect more data-- 1007 00:45:42,133 --> 00:45:45,000 with a little help from the public. 1008 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,533 So, it would seem like they're going sideways. 1009 00:45:47,533 --> 00:45:49,300 NARRATOR: In the Lower East Side of Manhattan, 1010 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,966 at Enigma Labs, 1011 00:45:50,966 --> 00:45:54,133 a staff of software designers and U.F.O. enthusiasts are 1012 00:45:54,133 --> 00:45:57,800 developing a first-of-its-kind crowdsourcing app. 1013 00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,333 LAUREN BUTLER: The goal is really 1014 00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:00,933 to bring people together 1015 00:46:00,933 --> 00:46:03,033 to share their U.A.P. experiences 1016 00:46:03,033 --> 00:46:04,066 and their sightings. 1017 00:46:04,066 --> 00:46:06,400 You know, if people don't have 1018 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,033 a place to talk about this 1019 00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:09,500 or report what they're seeing, 1020 00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,033 I think they can feel really lonely, 1021 00:46:11,033 --> 00:46:12,666 and, and feel very isolated, 1022 00:46:12,666 --> 00:46:14,866 when, in reality, this is a huge community of people 1023 00:46:14,866 --> 00:46:16,300 who should be able 1024 00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:17,966 to come somewhere and talk about what they're seeing. 1025 00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:21,566 ROJAS: So, we're collecting sighting reports. 1026 00:46:21,566 --> 00:46:25,366 We get a lot of Starlink and Space X rocket videos. 1027 00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:27,433 But at the same time, people are submitting things 1028 00:46:27,433 --> 00:46:29,233 that cannot be explained. 1029 00:46:29,233 --> 00:46:32,033 This time, I've got one that I can't figure out. 1030 00:46:32,033 --> 00:46:33,500 Maybe you can help me out. 1031 00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:34,900 This is really cool. 1032 00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:36,500 Just this light comes floating in, 1033 00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,333 and then it hovers, but wait. 1034 00:46:39,333 --> 00:46:40,733 But what is, what is this blob of light here? 1035 00:46:40,733 --> 00:46:42,933 It came down slowly, right? Yeah. 1036 00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:44,600 BUTLER: Those are fireworks, I'd say, right? 1037 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,166 ROJAS: Those are probably fireworks. 1038 00:46:46,166 --> 00:46:47,633 ADAM: Probably smoke rising up from... Mm-hmm. 1039 00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:49,466 ROJAS: And smoke rising up. ADAM: Mm-hmm. 1040 00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:53,100 (fireworks popping in video) ROJAS: But in just a second, it will get weirder. 1041 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,266 ADAM: What? ROJAS: Isn't that weird? 1042 00:46:55,266 --> 00:46:57,266 Oh, it's getting brighter. MAN: It gets brighter and brighter, yeah. 1043 00:46:57,266 --> 00:46:58,600 ROJAS: Yeah, it keeps getting brighter. 1044 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,766 And it's a broad beam of light. 1045 00:47:01,766 --> 00:47:03,266 ADAM: So it's not a star. 1046 00:47:03,266 --> 00:47:04,833 ROJAS: So what do you think about, maybe, drone? 1047 00:47:04,833 --> 00:47:07,266 But, I mean, look how still it is. 1048 00:47:07,266 --> 00:47:08,566 It doesn't have blinking lights. 1049 00:47:08,566 --> 00:47:09,700 I mean, it doesn't 1050 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:11,333 look like a drone. 1051 00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,400 So let's fast-forward a little. 1052 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,600 MAN: Oh, it went up a little bit, okay. 1053 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,600 ADAM: It's rising up, it's rising up. 1054 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,333 ROJAS: Yeah. 1055 00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:19,600 So it kind of gets dimmer. 1056 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,733 And I'm watching the cam-- the camera's not moving. 1057 00:47:20,733 --> 00:47:21,933 And it rises up-- the camera's... 1058 00:47:21,933 --> 00:47:22,933 And it's rising back up. Yeah, it... 1059 00:47:22,933 --> 00:47:24,166 This is a good one. 1060 00:47:24,166 --> 00:47:25,933 I don't know, I don't know what that is. 1061 00:47:27,566 --> 00:47:29,900 NARRATOR: Apps like this provide the public 1062 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,300 with a place to share their sightings, 1063 00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:34,900 but could one day be a source of data 1064 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,733 for scientists to study. 1065 00:47:36,733 --> 00:47:40,700 MOUNTAIN: We're not relying just on, "Did you see something?" 1066 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,566 We're asking your cell phone to make a measurement. 1067 00:47:43,566 --> 00:47:45,133 It's going to record 1068 00:47:45,133 --> 00:47:47,700 the position of the phone on the planet, 1069 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,000 because we all have GPSes in it, 1070 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,266   and, because it has a little compass in it, 1071 00:47:51,266 --> 00:47:53,233 it will also tell us what direction we're looking at. 1072 00:47:53,233 --> 00:47:56,600 So we can actually do scientific experiments 1073 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,066 with actual data, 1074 00:47:58,066 --> 00:48:00,900 because our modern cell phones are so good now 1075 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,300 at recording numbers. 1076 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:04,833 ADAM: The more data, the better. 1077 00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:06,100 The more sightings, 1078 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:07,800 the more eyes we get on, 1079 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,400 on something that's truly anomalous, 1080 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,500 the closer we get 1081 00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,600 to maybe answering that question: 1082 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,233 "What is it?" 1083 00:48:18,766 --> 00:48:22,033 NARRATOR: Alex Dietrich has learned from firsthand experience 1084 00:48:22,033 --> 00:48:26,366 that for many people, data alone is not enough. 1085 00:48:26,366 --> 00:48:28,833 DIETRICH: The topic is so charged, 1086 00:48:28,833 --> 00:48:31,700 because there are so many conspiracies, 1087 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,366 and it's such a... 1088 00:48:34,366 --> 00:48:36,033 You know, it does something to people's brains 1089 00:48:36,033 --> 00:48:37,433 when you say "U.F.O." 1090 00:48:37,433 --> 00:48:40,900 NARRATOR: At the University of Colorado Boulder, 1091 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:44,300 Alex is trying to change that. 1092 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,800 So, this is the helmet that I was wearing. 1093 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,300 You're welcome to try to put it... 1094 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:49,833 NARRATOR: ...using her experience 1095 00:48:49,833 --> 00:48:52,366 as a way to teach students 1096 00:48:52,366 --> 00:48:55,166 how to separate fact from fiction. 1097 00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:57,366 What is it about U.F.Os.? 1098 00:48:57,366 --> 00:49:00,133 What do we know? 1099 00:49:00,133 --> 00:49:02,233 And how do we know it? 1100 00:49:02,233 --> 00:49:03,700 What I find is that some of my students 1101 00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,200 have been going down those Reddit thread rabbit holes, 1102 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,133 working themselves up into a lather 1103 00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:13,766 with salacious headlines for content and clickbait. 1104 00:49:13,766 --> 00:49:16,233 If you're reading an article about U.F.Os., 1105 00:49:16,233 --> 00:49:19,866 what do we look for when we are looking at our sources? 1106 00:49:19,866 --> 00:49:22,366 I hope they will be 1107 00:49:22,366 --> 00:49:25,900 more discerning when they consume media 1108 00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:27,900 going forward, that they will question 1109 00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,533 where the information that they're getting comes from. 1110 00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:32,533 Because I want to advocate 1111 00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:35,000 for us to all take a deep breath 1112 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,100 and to come to this subject 1113 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,266 with a lens of critical thinking. 1114 00:49:40,266 --> 00:49:42,333 Critical thinking, people. 1115 00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:43,700 (chuckles): Let's all... 1116 00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:47,033 Let's all apply critical thinking. 1117 00:49:47,033 --> 00:49:49,133 ♪ ♪ 1118 00:49:49,133 --> 00:49:51,366 NARRATOR: And that brings us back 1119 00:49:51,366 --> 00:49:54,600 to the million-dollar questions-- 1120 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,433 could this be extraterrestrial technology? 1121 00:49:59,433 --> 00:50:02,266 What would it take for a spacecraft 1122 00:50:02,266 --> 00:50:04,733 to come from a distant world? 1123 00:50:04,733 --> 00:50:06,533 HOLLINGS: A very important question 1124 00:50:06,533 --> 00:50:08,133 that we need to be asking today 1125 00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,566 when investigating U.A.P. is whether or not, 1126 00:50:10,566 --> 00:50:13,866 even if there are advanced alien civilizations out there, 1127 00:50:13,866 --> 00:50:17,233 if they have the means to actually reach us. 1128 00:50:17,233 --> 00:50:20,266 MAN: Three, two, one... 1129 00:50:20,266 --> 00:50:22,266 NARRATOR: Consider this. 1130 00:50:22,266 --> 00:50:24,766 One of the fastest spacecrafts ever launched, 1131 00:50:24,766 --> 00:50:27,033 NASA's New Horizons, 1132 00:50:27,033 --> 00:50:30,766 took nine years and five months to reach Pluto, 1133 00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:33,666 three billion miles away. 1134 00:50:33,666 --> 00:50:36,133 Getting to the closest star system 1135 00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:38,966 with a planet that might harbor life 1136 00:50:38,966 --> 00:50:41,266 would take that tiny spacecraft 1137 00:50:41,266 --> 00:50:44,666 a whopping 80,000 years. 1138 00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:47,500 WRIGHT: The universe is so unfathomably large. 1139 00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,400 There's a hundred billion stars in our Milky Way, 1140 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,166 and there's a hundred billion galaxies 1141 00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:54,833 in the observable universe. 1142 00:50:54,833 --> 00:50:58,433 That's ten to the 22-- one with 22 zeros on it-- 1143 00:50:58,433 --> 00:51:01,066 with the number of stars, 1144 00:51:01,066 --> 00:51:03,900 and the distances between stars 1145 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,666 is incredibly vast. 1146 00:51:07,666 --> 00:51:09,500 HAQQ-MISRA: I have not seen any evidence 1147 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:10,833 that we have been visited. 1148 00:51:10,833 --> 00:51:14,266 I think it's still worth looking for evidence, 1149 00:51:14,266 --> 00:51:17,333 because we can't conclusively demonstrate 1150 00:51:17,333 --> 00:51:19,700 that we have not been visited. 1151 00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:23,000 Half of the timescale the galaxy has, has existed, 1152 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,733 there was no planet Earth. 1153 00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:27,400 So that's plenty of time for life to have evolved 1154 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,633 and technological life to have developed on another planet. 1155 00:51:30,633 --> 00:51:32,200 OLUSEYI: The answer is, 1156 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,666 get more data. 1157 00:51:33,666 --> 00:51:35,766 We need much, much more data. 1158 00:51:35,766 --> 00:51:37,200 And the way you're going to get more data 1159 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,066 is that you're going to have more eyes on the sky. 1160 00:51:39,066 --> 00:51:41,366 ♪ ♪ 1161 00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:42,966 NARRATOR: U.F.Os. have been 1162 00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:45,500 a part of our culture for decades. 1163 00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:47,966 They've been the subject of curiosity, 1164 00:51:47,966 --> 00:51:50,533 but rarely the subject 1165 00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:54,200 of serious scientific investigation. 1166 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,566 But that is changing. 1167 00:51:56,566 --> 00:51:58,066 GRAVES: I think it's critical 1168 00:51:58,066 --> 00:52:00,633 to be open-minded, don't be dismissive, 1169 00:52:00,633 --> 00:52:03,100 and search for the data, like any good scientist. 1170 00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:04,666 What I think is important 1171 00:52:04,666 --> 00:52:06,533 is that we are collecting more than just 1172 00:52:06,533 --> 00:52:09,500 the eyewitness accounts, but that we also have 1173 00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,033 the right hardware in place 1174 00:52:11,033 --> 00:52:14,666 for things that will be seen today, tomorrow, 1175 00:52:14,666 --> 00:52:17,300 so that we don't sit here and... 1176 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,866 (laughing): ...bicker about, 1177 00:52:18,866 --> 00:52:20,700 about what happened 20 years ago. 1178 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,900 ♪ ♪ 1179 00:52:44,166 --> 00:52:47,033 ♪ ♪ 1180 00:52:47,966 --> 00:52:55,500 ♪ ♪ 1181 00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:06,933 ♪ ♪ 1182 00:53:10,766 --> 00:53:18,300 ♪ ♪ 1183 00:53:19,933 --> 00:53:27,466 ♪ ♪ 1184 00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:36,633 ♪ ♪ 91993

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