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This is the money back.
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What is Tallahatchie River?
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Where awaited body was found.
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Alleged to be that of young Emmett Till.
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I saw a whole
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which I presumed was a bullet hole.
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And I could look through that hole
and see daylight on the other side.
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And I wonder,
was it necessary to shoot it?
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Here is money Mississippi,
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the home of Roy Bryant.
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It was here that the Chicago
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Negro boy, Emmett
Till, is alleged to have paid
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unwelcome attention
to Roy Bryant's most attractive wife.
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When white women's was on the streets.
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You had to get off of this street.
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That was a way of life.
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And all white,
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one would have to say
was that nigger kind of looked at me.
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I sass me.
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So we're talking about a way of life that
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in this part of the country
that was enforced by law.
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This was the home of Mose Wright.
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It was from this shack.
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The state alleges Emmett
Till was taken by Roy Bryant and J.W.
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Mather.
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The house was as dark
as a thousand midnight.
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You couldn't see.
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It was like a nightmare.
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I mean, it's
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I mean, someone come and stand over you
with a pistol in one hand, a flashlight.
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You 16 years old?
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It's a terrifying experience.
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The terror case
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held the whole system up for inspection.
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But the rest of the country
and by the rest of the world,
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it was the beginning of the focusing
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on the problems,
between the races in the Deep South
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that culminated in
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the ultimate, civil rights battles of the,
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of the rest of the 50s
and the end of the 60s.
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I think black people's reaction
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was so visceral, and I think it was
probably more than anything else in terms
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of the mass civil rights movement,
the spark that launched it.
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Everybody knew we were under attack,
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and that attack was symbolized
by the attack
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on a 14 year old boy.
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When one drives through the lowest hills.
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And looks out at the sweep of those fields
below.
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Flat as a pancake
as far as the eye can see.
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It's breathtaking.
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Those who had not been to the Delta,
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found themselves
gasping at the sight as they come over
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the lowest hills and see that expanse
of flat agricultural land.
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It was the summer of 1955
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when Emmett Till arrived in Mississippi
from Chicago.
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His family had worked cotton
for generations, but this trip would be
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Emmett's introduction to the Delta, known
as the most
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southern place on Earth.
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This is Mississippi.
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Today, a situation exists in Mississippi
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that is unlike the situation
in most states in the nation.
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In some sections of the state, there is a
preponderance of colored citizens.
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This situation has brought problems.
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It has created challenges.
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But most important of all, it has inspired
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a social system to meet the challenge
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in every community in Mississippi.
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There is segregation of the races.
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Drinking fountains are segregated.
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Restrooms are segregated.
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The local theater is segregated.
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You never balcony in any way.
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Said anything that they didn't like.
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You didn't disagree with them
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on the whole.
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You just didn't do that.
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If a white person did something to you,
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you had no recourse at all.
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People disappeared.
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We don't know what happened to them.
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They just disappeared.
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In the 75 years before
Emmett Till set foot in Mississippi.
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More than 500 black
people had been lynched in the state.
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Most were men
who had been accused of associating
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with white women.
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Part of that culture was that
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the women were put on pedestals,
and they were,
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some sort of,
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idealization of. Of what?
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Whatever
it means to be woman or to be female.
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There was an almost,
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irrational fear of black men.
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As if every black man
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was ready to attack or rape a white woman.
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If you gave him a chance.
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I can remember when my father died.
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Sammy, the black man who worked for
him would say.
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And I threw my arms around his neck,
and he pulled away from me.
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He could not have that,
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you know, physical show of affection,
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of sharing grief for whatever.
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Black men did not touch.
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White women.
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Many white
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Southerners,
and perhaps most deep South Southerners
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that convinced themselves
that, black people were relatively happy
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in their in their segregated relationships
with white people.
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Most white people, I think, had,
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had convinced themselves
that this was a defensible social system
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in which they lived.
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I had a cousin
that was living in Mississippi
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and was walking down the sidewalk down
near downtown in Tunica
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and didn't get off the sidewalk,
and the man slapped him
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and knocked him off the sidewalk,
and he got up.
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Instead of killing the white man
like he wanted,
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he just started walking and never stopped
until he got to Memphis
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and never stopped
till he got up to Chicago. Hey,
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baby, don't you want to go?
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Yeah.
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Hundreds of thousands of black
people fled Mississippi
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for Chicago in the years
between the world wars.
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One way train fare of $11.10
took them to a different world.
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With whom Chicago neighborhoods
and schools were segregated.
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But the city offered a kind of freedom.
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Black
Mississippians could only dream about.
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Chicago was a land of promise,
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and they thought that milk
and honey was everywhere.
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And so it was a lot of excitement
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leaving the South,
leaving the cotton fields.
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You could hold your head up in Chicago.
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Sweet home.
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Mamie Carthon arrived in Chicago
at the age of two, and only child,
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young Mamie, was the hope of her family
of former sharecroppers.
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She graduated from high school
at the top of her class,
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and became one of the first black women
in town to hold a civil service job.
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In 1940, Mamie married soldier Louis Till,
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and one year later
their son Emmett was born.
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In 1945.
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Mamie got word
that Private Till had died in Europe.
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All she received of his possessions
was a signet
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ring inscribed with his initials Lt.
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Emmett.
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Her only child was four years old.
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A childhood case of polio
left him with a stutter.
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But by the time he was a teenager,
Emmett Till had grown into a cocky,
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self-assured boy
who loved to be the center of attention.
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When we first met, we went Jim,
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and Mr.
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Long's gym period.
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I remember Emmett raising his shirt
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up to about his navel
and start making his belly roll.
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Just waves of fat
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rolling, and it just broke us up.
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I mean, the whole gym went crazy.
He was that kind of kid.
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Anything going on?
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He's in the middle of all of it.
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And he just love to play ball.
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He just love jokes.
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He would pay people to tell him jokes
if there was a group there.
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Emmett was in front
and he was the lively one.
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He was the one that everybody
kind of looked to.
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Natural born leader.
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In June of 1955,
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black Chicago swung to a new kind of music
called rock n roll.
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A Supreme Court decision had struck down
school segregation the year before.
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Emmett finished seventh grade, and in July
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he turned 14.
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Handle Emmett Till.
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We went to grammar school together,
and Emmett was,
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fine, young man,
just like any other young teenager.
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The boys wore polyester
pants, crape soled shoes.
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I would wear flared skirts
with the crinoline underneath.
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You must have the crinoline.
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And we were doing the bop.
That's the bebop.
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And we just danced and had fun.
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And we were just all good friends and.
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In August,
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Emmett's great uncle,
Mose Wright, visited Chicago
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and invited Emmett and his cousin
Wheeler, home to Mississippi
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before she let them go.
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Mamie schooled
the boys on the ways of the South.
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I let them know
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that Mississippi was not Chicago.
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And when you go to Mississippi,
you are living
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by an entirely different set of rules.
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It is. Yes, ma'am, and no, ma'am.
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Yes, sir, and no, sir.
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And, Bo, if you see a white woman
coming down the street,
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you get off the sidewalk
and drop your head.
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Don't even look at her.
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The concern for him, it was that
he could be with his fun loving,
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free spirited way of living.
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He could get in trouble,
could have a lot of problems.
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He was 14, but he just turned 14
just 13 a few weeks before we went down.
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He thought I was exaggerating,
which I was.
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I was trying to exaggerate.
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If I could,
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go high enough, I things can see that was,
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soak into his head that you have to be
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very careful.
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As Emmett packed
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his bags, Mississippi was set to explode.
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Two black men had recently been
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killed for registering black voters.
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And a push to implement
the new law on school desegregation
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had whites from the Delta
to the statehouse spitting fire.
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You are not going to. Mr.
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beat yourself.
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You are not going to permit
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that inner city to fight for your state.
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It was hard getting coffee shops
all over the Deep South
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that if we give on this, then
we will start giving on everything else.
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And the first thing you know,
we won't have a segregated society
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and black people will be taking over
in this part of the country.
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We are not doing
a lot of the leadership was,
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going around
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making outrageous threats and, claiming
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they weren't going to obey the law
and that sort of thing.
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Consequences was that, almost
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anything could happen, to anybody
at any time.
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There.
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On August 19th,
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Mamie gave Emmett
the ring that had belonged to his father.
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The next morning, Emmett
and his mother grabbed his bags
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and rushed off to the 63rd Street station.
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He was running up
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the steps to try to make it to the train.
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And I said, Emmett, I bo.
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I called him Bo.
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I said, where are you going?
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You haven't kissed me goodbye.
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And how do I know I'll ever see you again?
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And he looked at me and he said, oh, mama.
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He kind of scolded me
for saying something like that.
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But he turned around and came back
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and, he kissed me goodbye.
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And he said, here, take this.
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He pulled his watch off and gave it to me.
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He said, I won't need this where I'm
going.
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I said, what about your ring?
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He said, oh,
I'm going to show it off to the fellows.
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And with that, he was up the steps
and on his way to get on the train, they.
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Emmett rode the Illinois Central 16 hours
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out of Chicago to the Mississippi Delta.
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We went to South near
the beginning of cotton
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Pickin Time, late August,
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and we picked cotton for a half a day,
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and we would go swimming
round the snake side of the river.
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We have a lot of fun.
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Emmett's
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family lived on the outskirts of money,
a whistlestop town
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in the heart of Delta cotton country.
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The town of money
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was one street
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with maybe
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5 or 6 stores.
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But that's all just one. One story
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wasn't much, wasn't really a town.
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At one end of money
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was Bryan's Grocery,
which made a business of selling candy
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to black kids and provisions
to field hands from nearby plantations.
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Roy Bryant, a 24 year
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old ex-soldier, and his wife Carolyn,
owned the grocery and not much else.
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The Bryants lived with their two boys
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in cramped rooms behind the store.
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Roy's half brother, J.W.
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Milam, helped out around the grocery.
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The 235 pound
Milam was a hard drinking man
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with a reputation for being tough on
anyone who got in his way.
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On a steamy Wednesday
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afternoon, Emmett
and seven other teenagers piled into Mose
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Wright's old Ford
and headed to Bryant's grocery store.
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The day that we went to the store
and money.
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We were picking cotton,
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first half of the day and the second half,
because it was so hot.
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My uncle sold the car and took
off the money to get some refreshments.
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Just general things you buy in a store.
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Roy Bryant was out of town,
leaving his wife Carolyn
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alone behind the counter
when Emmett and his cousins pulled up.
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Other customers were sitting outside
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talking and playing checkers
in the cool of the shade.
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1 or 2 at a time,
the boys drifted into the store
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and back out again
with a cold drink or a piece of candy.
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Then Emmett went in
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and bought $0.02 worth of bubble gum,
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according to witnesses.
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On his way out of the store.
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Emmett turned to Carolyn Bryant
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and whistled.
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She stormed out.
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We all got scared and someone said,
she's going to get a pistol.
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That's when we became afraid.
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So she's gone to the car to get a pistol
and as she went to the car,
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we all jumped in my uncle's car.
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I'm going
pretty fast and dust is flying behind us.
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And of course, Emmett Till.
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Wade does not to tell our grandfather
what it took place.
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And we did.
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And this was on a Wednesday
and we didn't tell them were taking place.
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So Wednesday went by, Thursday went by.
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Nothing.
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Friday.
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We forgot about it.
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Sunday morning, about 230.
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Or I heard a boy at the door
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and it said, This is Mr.
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Bright, and said he wanted to board
a dead coast at noon in.
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And when I open the door,
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there was a man with a pistol
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in one hand
and the flashlight in the other.
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It was like a nightmare.
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I mean, it's I mean, someone come
and stand over you with a pistol,
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one hand, a flashlight, new 16 years old.
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It's a terrifying experience.
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Very terrifying.
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So we might go around to the found,
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to the room in the bay with my baby boy.
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And they told him to get up
and pretty close.
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Mose, right, pleaded with the two men.
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He's only 14 and he's from up north.
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Why not give the boy a whipping
right bait and leave it at that?
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The two in the next room.
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Cousin and uncle. They never woke up.
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My Uncle Semi did wake up.
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They told him to go back to sleep.
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He's 12 years old.
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And I'll just say I'm six in the dark.
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J.W. Milam turned to Mose Wright.
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How old are you, preacher?
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He asked.
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64, Wright replied.
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If you make any trouble,
you'll never live to be 65.
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Yeah, kid.
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Cardiac equation. Is this the right one?
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And I heard a voice a year,
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and they drove off toward money.
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Nobody talked to anybody.
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The house was as dark as a thousand
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midnight and couldn't see.
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And when they left, I was so afraid.
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And so I'm waiting for them to come back.
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There was a Sunday morning,
early Sunday morning.
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I was playing beside the old,
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and I saw Mr., Miles
and them truck coming by,
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and it had all had a couple
that had no what we call a top podium.
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And I heard somebody hollered
on the truck.
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I could hear all this being
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and I could hear this being a lock,
and it is crying and crying and beat.
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And I'm saying
it must have been somebody up there.
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I hope it didn't.
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Even before I got to info,
I got to the barn, I passed.
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They still would be.
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They still would be down here in.
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Mile came out.
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So he said, did you hear anything?
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I saw me, had a cattle pass
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and had a green out and sheet
and a 45 on his side.
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So I said, no, I said,
I ain't heard anything.
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I said anything.
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I was coming through there that morning.
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Two Ty was out there
watching the truck go,
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latch and get on my truck out.
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That's all that blood come from.
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He laid the boy lay as we did.
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He said, there's a shoe here.
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The one is still there.
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So that's the way I said, who?
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Emitted a shoe.
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In Chicago.
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A desperate
Mamie Till notified the local newspapers
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of Emmett's disappearance
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in Mississippi.
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The family alerted the sheriff and then
began to search for any sign of the boy.
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Along riverbanks and under bridges
where black folks always look,
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Emmett's uncle said,
when something like this happens, you.
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The next day,
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Roy Bryant was arrested for kidnaping.
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J.W. Milam was at a store in nearby
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Minto City when the La Flor County
sheriff caught up with him.
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The day I got a report for you.
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To read up there like this.
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He spoke again, all over again.
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Yeah. I got to retrieve you.
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Go away. Hell, no.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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It's no longer the two hour.
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The high shave. Come back.
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I say come on in and you need not go.
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No. Do another.
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Walked in and said, get up, Malcolm H.
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I'm okay.
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There a lot.
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You've got to get ready. Go.
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Yeah.
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You know, and.
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On August 31st,
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three days after Emmett
Till I disappeared, a boy fishing
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in the Tallahatchie noticed a body caught
on a gnarled root in the muddy water.
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He informed Tallahatchie County Sheriff
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Clarence Strider.
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My dad called me and
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asked me, I have a boat in the river.
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And I told him I did.
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Then he said, well,
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we'll be down there in a little while.
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00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:07,571
And he sent deputies down here
to go with me, and we took the boat
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and went up the river.
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It was in a curve in the drift,
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and the foot was taking a.
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And we tore into the drift
and got to him and,
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you know, got him out.
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Then we carried him up to the,
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the land landing and put him in the Irish.
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Emmett's body
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had been weighed down with a 75 pound
cotton gin fan
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tied around his neck with barbed wire,
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and the boy was so badly beaten
that Mose Wright could identify Emmett
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only by his father's ring.
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Mamie Till was in Chicago,
surrounded by worried family
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and friends, when she was told
that her only child was dead.
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Those words were like
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arrows sticking all over my body.
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My eyes were still full of tears
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until I couldn't see.
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And when I began to make the announcement,
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00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:23,313
that Emmett had been found,
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and how he was found,
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the whole house began to scream
and to cry.
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00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:36,910
And that's when I realized
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that this was a load
that I was going to have to carry.
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I wouldn't get any help carrying this.
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You know,
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by the time Mamie received
her son's body back in Chicago, two weeks
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00:25:55,178 --> 00:25:58,682
after she had kissed him
goodbye, Emmett's murder was front
436
00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:01,685
page news.
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00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:03,728
His body was taken
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to a funeral home owned by a ranger
who had promised Mississippi authorities
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that he would keep the casket nailed shut.
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00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:16,992
When Mamie Till asked him to
open it up, Raynor refused,
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00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,494
not asking.
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00:26:19,494 --> 00:26:22,497
Mr. Raynor, do you have a hammer?
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I said, I haven't signed anything
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and I haven't made any promises.
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00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,631
And if you can't open those back that box,
I can.
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00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,092
We open the casket.
447
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:37,095
There was a terrible odor
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00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:41,057
that came from the body
because the body had been in the water
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and began to deteriorate.
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00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,523
Mr. Raynor was he told the mother.
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He said, if I was you,
I wouldn't look at this body,
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00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:54,446
but this body
in such a horrible condition.
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00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:55,989
She said, Mr.
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Wayne, I want to see my son.
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00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:02,370
And I decided then that I would start
at his feet and work my way up,
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00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:06,583
maybe gathering strength as I went,
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I paused at his midsection
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because I knew he would
not want me looking at him,
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00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:16,343
but I
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saw enough that I knew he was intact.
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00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:24,851
I kept on up until I got to his chin,
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00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,896
and then I was forced
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00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:30,899
to deal with this face.
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00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:35,654
I saw that his tongue was choked out.
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I noticed that the right I was lying on
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midway, his cheek.
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00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:49,125
I noticed that his nose had been
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broken, like somebody
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00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:55,840
took a meat chopper and chopped his nose
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in several places.
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As I kept looking, I saw a hole
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which I presumed was a bullet hole,
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00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:11,564
and I could look through that hole
and see daylight on the other side.
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And I wondered, was it necessary
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00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:18,196
to shoot it?
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00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:20,615
Mr. Raynor asked me.
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He said,
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do you want me to touch the body up?
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I said, no, Mr.
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Raynor, let the people see what I've seen.
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00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,295
I was just willing to bear it all.
482
00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:37,841
I think everybody needed to know
what had happened
483
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:40,844
to Emmett Till.
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00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:45,765
Mamie's decision
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would make her son's death
a touchstone for a generation.
486
00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:53,064
At a church on the south Side of Chicago,
Emmett
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Till's mutilated
body would be on display for all to see.
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It was on a Sunday afternoon.
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I won't ever forget.
490
00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:03,158
It was a Sunday afternoon.
491
00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:04,784
The church was very calm.
492
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,746
The line was very orderly.
493
00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:12,584
I thought that pretty soon
the crowd would die down.
494
00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,587
I looked like all of Chicago was there.
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00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,132
He well,
496
00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:23,261
they brought the children with him
because Emmett was 14 years old
497
00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:27,140
and they wanted the younger kids
to see what happened to Emmett.
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00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:29,642
He they were mad.
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00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:32,270
They were angry. He.
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And as
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00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:38,651
we were led into the church,
my girlfriends and myself,
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00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:43,323
we walked up to the casket
and it was covered with, glass.
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00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:47,827
And we all looked down.
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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,039
This was our friend
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laying looking like a monster. He
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00:29:56,836 --> 00:30:01,466
he they said that about one
507
00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:05,804
in every five
had to be assisted out of the building.
508
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,515
They would just go into a fight.
509
00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:12,018
See, I think black
510
00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:15,355
people's reaction was so visceral.
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00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:20,443
He everybody knew we were under attack.
512
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,240
And that attack was symbolized
513
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,243
by the attack on a 14 year old boy
514
00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:33,456
who, me?
515
00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:35,917
As far as I was concerned,
that wasn't him.
516
00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,920
There.
517
00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:42,048
Yet at the same time,
518
00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,051
as confused as it may sound, it was him.
519
00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:49,639
But I didn't accept it. He,
520
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:53,309
Just in my mind,
I kept saying, I'll see him again.
521
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:53,768
You know?
522
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:57,397
And, I guess to me it didn't happen,
523
00:30:57,397 --> 00:31:00,400
but it did happen.
524
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:14,956
50,000 people in Chicago
525
00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:18,209
had seen Emmett
Till's corpse with their own eyes.
526
00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:22,088
When the black magazine jet
ran photos of the body,
527
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,508
black Americans across the country
shuddered.
528
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,177
It was grotesque.
529
00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:29,804
I mean, it was just.
530
00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:31,389
It blew my mind.
531
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,308
I couldn't sleep at night.
532
00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,268
It was traumatic for me.
533
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:37,770
From for months,
534
00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:40,773
I mean, I it touched us all.
535
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,275
Mainstream newspapers
536
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:45,820
and magazines
spread the story of the 14 year old black
537
00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:49,157
boy who'd been brutally killed
for whistling at a white woman.
538
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,869
It stunned white America.
539
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,164
Most white Americans
at that time were saying
540
00:31:56,664 --> 00:31:59,500
things such as the Emmett Till murder
541
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,212
had happened back in slavery
times, that these kinds of things
542
00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:06,841
were not of their generation,
that they no longer happened in America.
543
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,720
And this said to them clearly,
hey, it's right
544
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,267
here it is now. You.
545
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,856
Roy Bryant and J.W.
546
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,985
Milam admitted having taken Emmett Till,
but claimed they'd let him go.
547
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:30,698
Now, with the eyes of the nation
turning to Mississippi,
548
00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:34,911
the state appointed a special prosecutor
and filed charges.
549
00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:40,208
Formal indictment is that they did
willfully, unlawfully felonious
550
00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,628
none of them, malice aforethought,
kill and murder
551
00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,631
Emmett Till, a human being.
552
00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:51,010
Scores of reporters descended on the Delta
television networks,
553
00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:54,389
chartered a plane to send footage
to New York for the nightly news.
554
00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:59,644
The Associated Press fielded queries
from Paris, Copenhagen, Tokyo
555
00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:02,689
the till case had become a major
556
00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:05,692
international news story.
557
00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:09,153
Under the glare of the spotlight,
558
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,156
white Mississippians began to close ranks.
559
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,535
Local stores collected
560
00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:19,455
$10,000 in countertop jars
for Bryant and Milam.
561
00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,668
Every lawyer in the county
joined their defense team.
562
00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:29,048
People of the socio economic level
563
00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:32,468
of the two defendants in this case
564
00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:35,471
were obviously looked down on by the,
565
00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,766
more aristocratic whites,
566
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,561
almost, with the same disdain
567
00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,564
that they looked down on, on blacks,
568
00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:47,358
but they were still white folks.
569
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:51,237
And, when push came
to shove, the white community
570
00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:54,490
read it in support of them against,
571
00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,910
a young black person
572
00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,997
for whom they had even greater disdain,
573
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,333
the atmosphere among whites.
574
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,295
And Tallahatchie County and other,
575
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,591
the whole surrounding area was one of,
absolute scorn
576
00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:14,886
at the fact that these men
were being put on trial for their lives.
577
00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,431
And the cynicism, was,
578
00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,434
usually couched in very crude jokes.
579
00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,771
One of them was, in that
just like a nigger
580
00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,983
to or swim across the Tallahatchie River
with a giant fan around his neck.
581
00:34:30,943 --> 00:34:33,071
I can't understand how
582
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,699
a civilized mother could put a dead body
583
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,911
of a child on public display.
584
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,747
I'm almost convinced
585
00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:48,086
that the very beginning of
this was by a communistic front butcher.
586
00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:50,963
I tell you right now, if he gets justice,
they're turning the loose.
587
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,801
If others on the grand jury,
that is what I would do.
588
00:34:58,387 --> 00:35:00,098
Among African Americans,
589
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,852
there was outright fear to tide Collins,
who worked for J.W.
590
00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,814
Milam and had been seen washing blood
from my limbs.
591
00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:10,566
Trunk disappeared.
592
00:35:10,566 --> 00:35:13,361
The message to black people was clear.
593
00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:14,821
Hide what you know.
594
00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:18,241
Hide even what you think
or face the consequences.
595
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:20,576
Young man.
596
00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:23,496
Do you think these two men
should be indicted?
597
00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:24,956
I mean, no, no.
598
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,917
What do you mean you don't know?
599
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:29,669
I don't know. You're up.
600
00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:32,171
Have you studied the case
by reading the papers?
601
00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:32,547
Perhaps
602
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,925
that's.
603
00:35:35,925 --> 00:35:38,261
And you
don't know whether they should be invited.
604
00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,846
Those indicted? Yes.
605
00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:40,763
Thank you very much.
606
00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,766
Well.
607
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:46,602
On September 19th, less than three weeks
608
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,314
after Emmett's body was found, Roy
Bryant and J.W.
609
00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,526
Milam Trial for murder
opened in Sumner, Mississippi,
610
00:35:53,776 --> 00:35:57,238
which touted itself as a good place
to raise a boy.
611
00:35:59,532 --> 00:36:02,994
The air in the courtroom,
a reporter wrote, was as heavy
612
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:06,080
and oppressive as the moss that hangs
from the cypress trees
613
00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:09,041
in the courtroom.
614
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,044
They recorded 118 degrees.
615
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,673
And, of course,
there was no air conditioning.
616
00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:17,508
They had the ceiling.
617
00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:20,887
Fans were only stirring the air up,
618
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:24,432
making it hotter
when it reached your body.
619
00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,936
On the first day of the trial,
presiding Judge Curtis Wango
620
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:33,691
named the jury all white men
from Bryant and Milam, home County.
621
00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:38,196
I remember looking at the at that jury,
622
00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:43,451
and even though I knew
a good many of the men who owned the jury
623
00:36:43,826 --> 00:36:46,829
and and they looked mean to me,
624
00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:50,416
I would have hated going up
against any of those guys.
625
00:36:52,585 --> 00:36:54,086
Tallahatchie County Sheriff
626
00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:58,716
and plantation owner Clarence Strider
was responsible for locating witnesses
627
00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:01,719
and gathering evidence
against Bryant and Milo.
628
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:06,015
Sheriff Strider was a big,
629
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:10,061
fat, plain talking, obscene talking
sheriff.
630
00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:11,979
You would expect to find in the South.
631
00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,316
His actions at the trial were more.
632
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,486
I think he would latter so much
to see justice of what was going on,
633
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:21,697
but to be sure that he has
courtroom was totally segregated.
634
00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:23,616
The man had laid it out.
635
00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:28,788
We got 22 seats over here for you
white boys, and we got four seats.
636
00:37:28,788 --> 00:37:30,122
Oh, we have you got a board?
637
00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:32,959
We don't mix them down here.
We ain't going to mix them.
638
00:37:32,959 --> 00:37:34,752
I don't intend to.
639
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,545
You ain't going to be
with the white folks,
640
00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:38,047
and white folks are going to be with you.
641
00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:42,093
And y'all might be baking,
but ain't going to be no love nest between
642
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,177
black and white. Well,
643
00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:47,556
Strider consigned black reporters
and Detroit
644
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,352
Congressman Charles
Diggs to a card table on the sidelines.
645
00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:55,106
Strider greeted them
as he passed with a cheery hello, niggers!
646
00:37:55,982 --> 00:37:59,568
We never having a trouble
until some of our southern niggers
647
00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:04,365
go up north in an NAACP talk term,
and it come back home.
648
00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:08,536
If they will keep their nose and mouths
out of our business,
649
00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:11,539
we'll be able to do more
650
00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:16,002
when enforcing the laws of Tallahatchie
Pen and Mississippi.
651
00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:19,588
The reaction of reporters from out of
652
00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,591
the South
was one of just absolute amazement.
653
00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:28,681
They knew that there were, strange things
going on in and in places
654
00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,184
like Sumner, but they did not know it
to be quite like that.
655
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:37,231
They were really surprised that,
and what they found at the same time,
656
00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:41,819
of course, they wrote about it with great
relish because it was a good story.
657
00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:44,572
It had sex,
658
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,742
it had murder, it had mystery.
659
00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:54,832
When Mamie Till arrived,
she had to make her way through.
660
00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,877
An unsympathetic
crowd gathered on the courthouse lawn.
661
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,005
What do you intend to do here?
662
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:04,425
I tell you to answer any questions
that might.
663
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:08,721
That the attorneys might ask you
to answer to the fact that,
664
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,724
how do you think you could
possibly be a help to them?
665
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:12,975
I don't know what you mean.
666
00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:16,270
Just by answering that as a question
that they asked me. See,
667
00:39:17,646 --> 00:39:20,358
do you have any evidence
bearing on this case?
668
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,693
Obviously, I didn't know that
669
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,696
this is my son.
670
00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:28,366
Mamie Till testified that the body
671
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,535
she had examined
and buried was indeed her son.
672
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:36,457
In their cross-examination,
Bryant and Mylan's attorneys peppered her
673
00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:40,961
with hostile questions and then presented
the main argument for the defense
674
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:45,508
the corpse pulled from the Tallahatchie
River was not Emmett Till.
675
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,303
They summed up by saying,
676
00:39:49,303 --> 00:39:55,226
isn't it true that you and the ACP
got your heads together
677
00:39:55,935 --> 00:39:57,478
and you came down here?
678
00:39:57,478 --> 00:40:00,481
And with their help, you all dug up a body
679
00:40:00,523 --> 00:40:05,236
and you have,
claimed that body to be your son.
680
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,115
Isn't it true that your son is in Detroit,
Michigan
681
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:12,118
with his grandfather right now,
682
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,913
with Sheriff Strider and courtroom
sentiment clearly on the side
683
00:40:15,913 --> 00:40:20,709
of the defendants, reporters began
their own desperate search for witnesses.
684
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,547
Black people wasn't
speaking out about the Emmett Till, case
685
00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:29,343
at that particular time because they knew
that it could happen to them.
686
00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:33,722
The blacks feared fighting for their lives
and for their family life
687
00:40:33,931 --> 00:40:35,558
because of what it was they were.
688
00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:37,852
Those white folks were for real.
689
00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,938
So it was just, you know, like, hush hush,
you know?
690
00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:43,149
So I was told to keep my mouth shut.
691
00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:44,150
And that's what I did.
692
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,780
Two days into the trial, reporters
got a lead on a young
693
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:53,534
sharecropper named Willie Reed
who might be willing to talk
694
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,454
now. Was in the cotton field.
I was picking.
695
00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:58,831
I was picking cotton, picking cotton.
696
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:02,460
And I looked across a field
in was about so many people come across
697
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,463
the field toward me was white and black,
and that way.
698
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:08,382
And then they began to question me
about this.
699
00:41:08,382 --> 00:41:10,134
It did you see anything?
700
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:13,137
So I told them when I saw.
701
00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:15,514
Putting his life at risk,
702
00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:18,517
Willie Reed agreed to step forward.
703
00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:22,188
Whenever you walk near a courtroom and,
704
00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:24,398
you know what?
705
00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:27,276
You there you go on testifying.
706
00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,821
Then you look at all these white folks,
everybody looking at you.
707
00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:33,365
Now, you got a frowns
on your face and everything.
708
00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:36,076
You see
709
00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:39,038
them, they be looking at
you really wrong and looking at you.
710
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,164
Yeah.
711
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:43,167
Why is you looking at it? Was.
712
00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:46,462
Reed spoke
713
00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:49,465
in a voice barely louder than a whisper.
714
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:52,301
He'd seen Roy Bryant, J.W.
715
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:56,555
Milam and one other white man
with Emmett Till early that Sunday morning
716
00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:00,518
and had heard the sounds of a beating
coming from Milam shed.
717
00:42:02,144 --> 00:42:04,063
After delivering his testimony,
718
00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:07,066
Reed was smuggled out of Mississippi.
719
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:10,027
When he reached Chicago,
he was hospitalized
720
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:13,030
with a nervous breakdown.
721
00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:19,036
The prosecution's best witness
was Mose Wright,
722
00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:22,456
who had clearly seen the man
who took Emmett Till from his home.
723
00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,502
Wright had been in hiding
since the night of the kidnaping
724
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,004
and had been threatened with death.
725
00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:32,341
But there, in the searing heat
of a Delta courtroom,
726
00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:36,136
the 64 year old sharecropper had his say.
727
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:40,391
One of the attorneys asked,
728
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,643
do you know the man
729
00:42:42,643 --> 00:42:45,646
who came to your house at night to get
730
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:47,856
Emmett Till?
731
00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:50,025
How do you how?
732
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:54,697
Mose Wright stood and pointed
first at Roy Bryant, then at J.W.
733
00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:56,323
Milam.
734
00:42:56,323 --> 00:42:59,243
There he he said.
735
00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:01,537
Wright later claimed
he could feel the blood
736
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:04,540
boil and hundreds of white people
in the courtroom.
737
00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:08,502
But he said
I had decided to tell it like it was.
738
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:14,466
That was a dramatic moment,
and it took an awful lot of courage
739
00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:18,095
for him to get up there and,
do what he did.
740
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,057
I think he had decided
that he was going to do it.
741
00:43:22,808 --> 00:43:25,603
No matter what happened.
742
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,313
After he testified,
743
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:30,983
Wright left his cotton
blooming in the field, his old car
744
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:34,903
sitting at the station,
and slipped on to the train to Chicago.
745
00:43:35,654 --> 00:43:38,324
He would never again live in Mississippi.
746
00:43:43,203 --> 00:43:44,246
The trial drew to a
747
00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,249
close after only five days.
748
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,210
In his summation,
the lead defense attorney
749
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:54,423
warned members of the jury
that their ancestors would turn over
750
00:43:54,423 --> 00:43:58,260
in their graves
if Bryant and Milam were found guilty.
751
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,014
Every last Anglo-Saxon one of you,
752
00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:05,142
he said, has the courage to free
these men.
753
00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:09,355
As the jury retired,
754
00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,941
the black people
who were standing around the walls
755
00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:16,236
began to ease out of the door.
756
00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:20,074
I said, it's time for us to go.
757
00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,370
Congressman Diggs so what?
758
00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,622
I missed the verdict.
759
00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:28,957
I said, Congressman, this is one verdict
760
00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,960
you don't want to be present to hear.
761
00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:34,505
The crowd
762
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:37,508
in the courtroom waited in the heat.
763
00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:39,760
Reporters overheard members of the jury
764
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,763
laughing and joking in the jury room.
765
00:44:43,055 --> 00:44:46,016
In just over an hour, the jury returned.
766
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,895
And the Emmett Till murder trial.
767
00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:51,980
The all white jury has acquitted
the two white
768
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,983
defendants accused of killing the 14 year
old Negro youth.
769
00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:58,654
The jury foreman said the deciding factor
was the state's failure
770
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:00,155
to prove the identity of the body.
771
00:45:00,155 --> 00:45:03,158
Pulled from a river near Sumner,
Mississippi.
772
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:05,452
A juror later revealed that
773
00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,455
the jury had stalled to make it look good.
774
00:45:09,415 --> 00:45:12,668
They wouldn't have taken so long
to return to the courtroom, he said.
775
00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:16,422
If they hadn't stopped to drink, pop,
776
00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:20,050
the verdict came in not guilty.
777
00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,928
You could hear guns firing.
778
00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:26,014
I mean, it was almost like a 4th
of July celebration,
779
00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,893
or it was almost as if the White Sox
780
00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:32,896
had won the pennant
in the city of Chicago.
781
00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:35,691
It was just, it was just
782
00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:39,820
oh, it was a mess.
783
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:42,489
After the
784
00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:45,492
trial, Sheriff
Clarence Strider told reporters,
785
00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,912
I hope the Chicago niggers and the ACP are
786
00:45:48,912 --> 00:45:51,915
satisfied.
787
00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:54,168
People are used to doing things
788
00:45:54,168 --> 00:45:57,171
normal around here.
789
00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,548
And they just
790
00:45:59,548 --> 00:46:01,467
tried to run anything.
791
00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:03,510
They thought
they could run over the judge.
792
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:07,723
And this year, and everybody over there,
they thought that they,
793
00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:12,686
you know, could just take over,
but they didn't.
794
00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:14,563
How do you feel now?
795
00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:17,566
It's all over, Roy, how about you?
796
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,652
I'm just glad it's over.
797
00:46:20,652 --> 00:46:24,406
I, I'm doing a little black, firm
798
00:46:24,823 --> 00:46:27,826
like you must smile.
799
00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:34,208
Reports
800
00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:37,795
of the acquittal made front page
headlines across the United States
801
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:41,173
and set off an international firestorm.
802
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,926
The life of a Negro in Mississippi,
803
00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:47,221
one European paper
observed, is not worth a whistle.
804
00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:54,937
From Boston to Los Angeles, black people
packed meeting halls
805
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,982
and spilled into the streets to hear
Mamie Till tell her story.
806
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,529
And what I saw was a shame before God.
807
00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:05,364
And I,
808
00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:07,991
and the way the charity chose to believe
809
00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:11,411
the ridiculous stories
of the defense attorneys.
810
00:47:12,579 --> 00:47:16,708
I just can't go into detail
to tell you the silly
811
00:47:16,708 --> 00:47:20,921
things, the stupid things
that were brought up as probabilities.
812
00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:23,590
And they swallowed it
like a fish swallowed up.
813
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:27,094
Just anything,
just any excuse to put these two men
814
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,431
protected from further prosecution.
815
00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:33,183
Roy Bryant and J.W.
816
00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:36,812
Milam sold their story to a reporter
from look magazine
817
00:47:36,812 --> 00:47:39,815
for $4,000.
818
00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:41,525
Their account appeared
819
00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,528
just four months after the acquittal.
820
00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:46,780
We took them in.
821
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:50,367
We was just going to whip
them, scare some sense into them.
822
00:47:54,454 --> 00:47:57,165
Back of the house to share
823
00:47:57,165 --> 00:48:00,168
two rooms about 12ft square.
824
00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:02,713
You walked them in there and took turns
825
00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:05,716
smashing them across the head with the 45.
826
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:06,884
First.
827
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,845
My brother and me.
828
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:14,391
We put him back in the truck.
829
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,394
We knew what we was going to do.
830
00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:20,147
Here's a spot about a mile
831
00:48:20,147 --> 00:48:23,150
and a half from the bridge
where the banks are steep.
832
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:26,653
It was just spot.
833
00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:29,531
I held up the gun
834
00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:31,116
I fired, and the Chicago boy
835
00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:34,119
twisted round
and caught it right in the ear.
836
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:38,206
We tied the gin fan to his neck
with barbed wire,
837
00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:41,209
and rolled his body
into 20ft of muddy water.
838
00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:45,005
For three hours that morning,
839
00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,008
we had a big old fire in the yard.
840
00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:50,427
Damn if that nigger didn't
have crape soled shoes.
841
00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:54,598
You know how hard they are to burn.
842
00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:04,691
If there were others involved, as Willie
Reed and Mose Wright
843
00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:08,028
had testified under oath, Milam and Bryant
844
00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:11,031
did not name them.
845
00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,119
Mamie Till went to Washington
846
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,122
to press the federal government
to reopen the case.
847
00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:23,585
Despite thousands of letters protesting
Mississippi's handling of the murder,
848
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:27,339
President Dwight
Eisenhower and FBI director J.
849
00:49:27,339 --> 00:49:30,509
Edgar Hoover
ruled out a federal investigation.
850
00:49:31,843 --> 00:49:33,637
Eisenhower didn't even answer
851
00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:36,640
Mamie Till's telegram.
852
00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,019
No one ever did time for the killing
853
00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:44,022
of the 14 year old black boy from Chicago.
854
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,154
But his murder
855
00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,741
and the trial and acquittal of his killers
send a powerful message.
856
00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:59,955
If change was going to come, people
would have to put themselves on the line.
857
00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:03,583
Contributions to civil rights groups
soared,
858
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:08,505
and 100 days after the death of Emmett
Till, Rosa Parks refused
859
00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:13,051
to give up her seat to a white person,
and the Montgomery bus boycott began.
860
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:16,638
When people
861
00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:19,641
saw what had happened to my son,
862
00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,437
men stood up
who had never stood up before.
863
00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:28,275
People became vocal,
who had never vocalized before.
864
00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:31,653
Emmett's death
865
00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:34,823
was the opening
of the civil rights movement.
866
00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,744
He was the sacrificial lamb
of the movement.
867
00:50:43,957 --> 00:50:46,126
I do believe that
868
00:50:46,126 --> 00:50:51,298
nationally, or at least across the South,
the Emmett Till trial and the
869
00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:55,844
and the result of that trial
somehow spurred the civil rights movement
870
00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:00,057
to see if this was the last straw.
871
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:03,393
Or maybe it was the spark.
872
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,733
People were thoroughly disgusted at,
873
00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:15,197
what happened in that situation
and made an awful lot of people
874
00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:19,326
realize that they themselves
had to get involved
875
00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,871
and do something.
876
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:27,584
It was just a magnificent reaction
877
00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:32,756
to a very ugly thing
that had taken place in this country.
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