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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,190 This is the money back. 2 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:26,985 What is Tallahatchie River? 3 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:28,903 Where awaited body was found. 4 00:00:28,903 --> 00:00:31,906 Alleged to be that of young Emmett Till. 5 00:00:35,285 --> 00:00:38,038 I saw a whole 6 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:41,041 which I presumed was a bullet hole. 7 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:46,004 And I could look through that hole and see daylight on the other side. 8 00:00:46,796 --> 00:00:50,383 And I wonder, was it necessary to shoot it? 9 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:53,803 Here is money Mississippi, 10 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:56,806 the home of Roy Bryant. 11 00:00:57,348 --> 00:00:59,309 It was here that the Chicago 12 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:02,896 Negro boy, Emmett Till, is alleged to have paid 13 00:01:03,354 --> 00:01:07,150 unwelcome attention to Roy Bryant's most attractive wife. 14 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:11,821 When white women's was on the streets. 15 00:01:12,989 --> 00:01:15,283 You had to get off of this street. 16 00:01:15,283 --> 00:01:18,286 That was a way of life. 17 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:20,622 And all white, 18 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:24,667 one would have to say was that nigger kind of looked at me. 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,002 I sass me. 20 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:30,256 So we're talking about a way of life that 21 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:33,760 in this part of the country that was enforced by law. 22 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:39,390 This was the home of Mose Wright. 23 00:01:40,058 --> 00:01:41,434 It was from this shack. 24 00:01:41,434 --> 00:01:45,939 The state alleges Emmett Till was taken by Roy Bryant and J.W. 25 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:48,858 Mather. 26 00:01:48,858 --> 00:01:51,402 The house was as dark as a thousand midnight. 27 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:53,238 You couldn't see. 28 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:54,489 It was like a nightmare. 29 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:54,989 I mean, it's 30 00:01:54,989 --> 00:01:59,244 I mean, someone come and stand over you with a pistol in one hand, a flashlight. 31 00:01:59,285 --> 00:02:02,288 You 16 years old? 32 00:02:02,288 --> 00:02:05,291 It's a terrifying experience. 33 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:08,753 The terror case 34 00:02:08,753 --> 00:02:11,756 held the whole system up for inspection. 35 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:15,343 But the rest of the country and by the rest of the world, 36 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:18,930 it was the beginning of the focusing 37 00:02:19,514 --> 00:02:23,893 on the problems, between the races in the Deep South 38 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:26,521 that culminated in 39 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:29,524 the ultimate, civil rights battles of the, 40 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:33,736 of the rest of the 50s and the end of the 60s. 41 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:38,825 I think black people's reaction 42 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:44,164 was so visceral, and I think it was probably more than anything else in terms 43 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:49,043 of the mass civil rights movement, the spark that launched it. 44 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:52,505 Everybody knew we were under attack, 45 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:56,384 and that attack was symbolized by the attack 46 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:59,387 on a 14 year old boy. 47 00:03:33,463 --> 00:03:36,466 When one drives through the lowest hills. 48 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,220 And looks out at the sweep of those fields below. 49 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:44,057 Flat as a pancake as far as the eye can see. 50 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:47,977 It's breathtaking. 51 00:03:47,977 --> 00:03:50,980 Those who had not been to the Delta, 52 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:54,484 found themselves gasping at the sight as they come over 53 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:58,780 the lowest hills and see that expanse of flat agricultural land. 54 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:03,159 It was the summer of 1955 55 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,162 when Emmett Till arrived in Mississippi from Chicago. 56 00:04:06,871 --> 00:04:11,417 His family had worked cotton for generations, but this trip would be 57 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:15,129 Emmett's introduction to the Delta, known as the most 58 00:04:15,129 --> 00:04:18,132 southern place on Earth. 59 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,844 This is Mississippi. 60 00:04:21,844 --> 00:04:24,847 Today, a situation exists in Mississippi 61 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:28,518 that is unlike the situation in most states in the nation. 62 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:33,940 In some sections of the state, there is a preponderance of colored citizens. 63 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:37,360 This situation has brought problems. 64 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,654 It has created challenges. 65 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:42,824 But most important of all, it has inspired 66 00:04:42,824 --> 00:04:45,785 a social system to meet the challenge 67 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:48,871 in every community in Mississippi. 68 00:04:48,871 --> 00:04:51,791 There is segregation of the races. 69 00:04:51,791 --> 00:04:54,794 Drinking fountains are segregated. 70 00:04:55,628 --> 00:04:58,631 Restrooms are segregated. 71 00:04:59,549 --> 00:05:01,926 The local theater is segregated. 72 00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:04,929 You never balcony in any way. 73 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:10,518 Said anything that they didn't like. 74 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:11,811 You didn't disagree with them 75 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:14,355 on the whole. 76 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:17,317 You just didn't do that. 77 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:20,361 If a white person did something to you, 78 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:23,364 you had no recourse at all. 79 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:25,658 People disappeared. 80 00:05:25,658 --> 00:05:28,202 We don't know what happened to them. 81 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:31,205 They just disappeared. 82 00:05:34,417 --> 00:05:38,046 In the 75 years before Emmett Till set foot in Mississippi. 83 00:05:38,671 --> 00:05:42,091 More than 500 black people had been lynched in the state. 84 00:05:43,801 --> 00:05:46,846 Most were men who had been accused of associating 85 00:05:46,846 --> 00:05:49,807 with white women. 86 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:55,021 Part of that culture was that 87 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:58,441 the women were put on pedestals, and they were, 88 00:05:59,609 --> 00:06:01,569 some sort of, 89 00:06:01,569 --> 00:06:03,821 idealization of. Of what? 90 00:06:03,821 --> 00:06:07,408 Whatever it means to be woman or to be female. 91 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:11,913 There was an almost, 92 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:14,916 irrational fear of black men. 93 00:06:16,292 --> 00:06:18,127 As if every black man 94 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:22,298 was ready to attack or rape a white woman. 95 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:23,508 If you gave him a chance. 96 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:32,558 I can remember when my father died. 97 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:34,936 Sammy, the black man who worked for him would say. 98 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:39,023 And I threw my arms around his neck, and he pulled away from me. 99 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,735 He could not have that, 100 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:45,196 you know, physical show of affection, 101 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:48,157 of sharing grief for whatever. 102 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:49,992 Black men did not touch. 103 00:06:49,992 --> 00:06:52,995 White women. 104 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:55,957 Many white 105 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:59,210 Southerners, and perhaps most deep South Southerners 106 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:04,632 that convinced themselves that, black people were relatively happy 107 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:08,594 in their in their segregated relationships with white people. 108 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:13,182 Most white people, I think, had, 109 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:17,979 had convinced themselves that this was a defensible social system 110 00:07:17,979 --> 00:07:20,982 in which they lived. 111 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:24,902 I had a cousin that was living in Mississippi 112 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:29,866 and was walking down the sidewalk down near downtown in Tunica 113 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:33,661 and didn't get off the sidewalk, and the man slapped him 114 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:37,165 and knocked him off the sidewalk, and he got up. 115 00:07:37,331 --> 00:07:39,959 Instead of killing the white man like he wanted, 116 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,087 he just started walking and never stopped until he got to Memphis 117 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:47,884 and never stopped till he got up to Chicago. Hey, 118 00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:52,054 baby, don't you want to go? 119 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:54,098 Yeah. 120 00:07:54,098 --> 00:07:57,518 Hundreds of thousands of black people fled Mississippi 121 00:07:57,518 --> 00:08:00,521 for Chicago in the years between the world wars. 122 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:06,027 One way train fare of $11.10 took them to a different world. 123 00:08:06,736 --> 00:08:11,616 With whom Chicago neighborhoods and schools were segregated. 124 00:08:11,949 --> 00:08:14,535 But the city offered a kind of freedom. 125 00:08:14,535 --> 00:08:17,497 Black Mississippians could only dream about. 126 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:21,209 Chicago was a land of promise, 127 00:08:21,209 --> 00:08:25,046 and they thought that milk and honey was everywhere. 128 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:28,799 And so it was a lot of excitement 129 00:08:28,799 --> 00:08:31,802 leaving the South, leaving the cotton fields. 130 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,515 You could hold your head up in Chicago. 131 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:36,724 Sweet home. 132 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:41,979 Mamie Carthon arrived in Chicago at the age of two, and only child, 133 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:45,525 young Mamie, was the hope of her family of former sharecroppers. 134 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:50,446 She graduated from high school at the top of her class, 135 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:55,034 and became one of the first black women in town to hold a civil service job. 136 00:08:56,827 --> 00:09:00,498 In 1940, Mamie married soldier Louis Till, 137 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,834 and one year later their son Emmett was born. 138 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:07,505 In 1945. 139 00:09:07,505 --> 00:09:10,633 Mamie got word that Private Till had died in Europe. 140 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:14,470 All she received of his possessions was a signet 141 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:17,473 ring inscribed with his initials Lt. 142 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:18,849 Emmett. 143 00:09:18,849 --> 00:09:21,852 Her only child was four years old. 144 00:09:22,895 --> 00:09:25,898 A childhood case of polio left him with a stutter. 145 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:30,611 But by the time he was a teenager, Emmett Till had grown into a cocky, 146 00:09:30,611 --> 00:09:33,990 self-assured boy who loved to be the center of attention. 147 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:37,785 When we first met, we went Jim, 148 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:38,494 and Mr. 149 00:09:38,494 --> 00:09:41,414 Long's gym period. 150 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:43,958 I remember Emmett raising his shirt 151 00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:47,378 up to about his navel and start making his belly roll. 152 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:51,424 Just waves of fat 153 00:09:52,216 --> 00:09:54,135 rolling, and it just broke us up. 154 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:56,804 I mean, the whole gym went crazy. He was that kind of kid. 155 00:09:59,223 --> 00:10:00,016 Anything going on? 156 00:10:00,016 --> 00:10:01,934 He's in the middle of all of it. 157 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:03,436 And he just love to play ball. 158 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,354 He just love jokes. 159 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:08,983 He would pay people to tell him jokes if there was a group there. 160 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:12,695 Emmett was in front and he was the lively one. 161 00:10:12,695 --> 00:10:15,406 He was the one that everybody kind of looked to. 162 00:10:15,406 --> 00:10:18,367 Natural born leader. 163 00:10:23,956 --> 00:10:25,916 In June of 1955, 164 00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:29,920 black Chicago swung to a new kind of music called rock n roll. 165 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:34,759 A Supreme Court decision had struck down school segregation the year before. 166 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:38,512 Emmett finished seventh grade, and in July 167 00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:41,599 he turned 14. 168 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:43,059 Handle Emmett Till. 169 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:46,145 We went to grammar school together, and Emmett was, 170 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:50,316 fine, young man, just like any other young teenager. 171 00:10:51,359 --> 00:10:55,655 The boys wore polyester pants, crape soled shoes. 172 00:10:56,113 --> 00:10:59,283 I would wear flared skirts with the crinoline underneath. 173 00:10:59,283 --> 00:11:01,410 You must have the crinoline. 174 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,996 And we were doing the bop. That's the bebop. 175 00:11:03,996 --> 00:11:06,999 And we just danced and had fun. 176 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:09,543 And we were just all good friends and. 177 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:19,804 In August, 178 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:23,307 Emmett's great uncle, Mose Wright, visited Chicago 179 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:26,644 and invited Emmett and his cousin Wheeler, home to Mississippi 180 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,647 before she let them go. 181 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:32,650 Mamie schooled the boys on the ways of the South. 182 00:11:35,861 --> 00:11:36,862 I let them know 183 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:39,865 that Mississippi was not Chicago. 184 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:42,785 And when you go to Mississippi, you are living 185 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:45,913 by an entirely different set of rules. 186 00:11:46,831 --> 00:11:49,250 It is. Yes, ma'am, and no, ma'am. 187 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,585 Yes, sir, and no, sir. 188 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:55,923 And, Bo, if you see a white woman coming down the street, 189 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:59,635 you get off the sidewalk and drop your head. 190 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,429 Don't even look at her. 191 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:05,516 The concern for him, it was that he could be with his fun loving, 192 00:12:05,766 --> 00:12:07,852 free spirited way of living. 193 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,855 He could get in trouble, could have a lot of problems. 194 00:12:11,063 --> 00:12:16,444 He was 14, but he just turned 14 just 13 a few weeks before we went down. 195 00:12:18,487 --> 00:12:22,408 He thought I was exaggerating, which I was. 196 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:25,035 I was trying to exaggerate. 197 00:12:25,035 --> 00:12:26,829 If I could, 198 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:31,125 go high enough, I things can see that was, 199 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:35,379 soak into his head that you have to be 200 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:38,382 very careful. 201 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:40,634 As Emmett packed 202 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:43,721 his bags, Mississippi was set to explode. 203 00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:47,391 Two black men had recently been 204 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:50,394 killed for registering black voters. 205 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:54,106 And a push to implement the new law on school desegregation 206 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:58,110 had whites from the Delta to the statehouse spitting fire. 207 00:12:58,819 --> 00:13:01,822 You are not going to. Mr. 208 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:05,326 beat yourself. 209 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:09,872 You are not going to permit 210 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:13,000 that inner city to fight for your state. 211 00:13:14,418 --> 00:13:17,630 It was hard getting coffee shops all over the Deep South 212 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:22,551 that if we give on this, then we will start giving on everything else. 213 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:26,347 And the first thing you know, we won't have a segregated society 214 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:29,934 and black people will be taking over in this part of the country. 215 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,063 We are not doing a lot of the leadership was, 216 00:13:35,439 --> 00:13:36,106 going around 217 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:39,360 making outrageous threats and, claiming 218 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,363 they weren't going to obey the law and that sort of thing. 219 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:45,991 Consequences was that, almost 220 00:13:45,991 --> 00:13:50,955 anything could happen, to anybody at any time. 221 00:13:51,288 --> 00:13:54,291 There. 222 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:57,169 On August 19th, 223 00:13:57,169 --> 00:14:00,214 Mamie gave Emmett the ring that had belonged to his father. 224 00:14:00,881 --> 00:14:04,093 The next morning, Emmett and his mother grabbed his bags 225 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:07,096 and rushed off to the 63rd Street station. 226 00:14:08,764 --> 00:14:09,932 He was running up 227 00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:12,935 the steps to try to make it to the train. 228 00:14:13,185 --> 00:14:15,855 And I said, Emmett, I bo. 229 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,523 I called him Bo. 230 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:19,942 I said, where are you going? 231 00:14:19,942 --> 00:14:22,194 You haven't kissed me goodbye. 232 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:25,197 And how do I know I'll ever see you again? 233 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:29,326 And he looked at me and he said, oh, mama. 234 00:14:29,618 --> 00:14:33,163 He kind of scolded me for saying something like that. 235 00:14:33,914 --> 00:14:36,792 But he turned around and came back 236 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:39,795 and, he kissed me goodbye. 237 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,505 And he said, here, take this. 238 00:14:41,505 --> 00:14:43,841 He pulled his watch off and gave it to me. 239 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:46,844 He said, I won't need this where I'm going. 240 00:14:47,469 --> 00:14:48,888 I said, what about your ring? 241 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:52,224 He said, oh, I'm going to show it off to the fellows. 242 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:58,230 And with that, he was up the steps and on his way to get on the train, they. 243 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,491 Emmett rode the Illinois Central 16 hours 244 00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:12,494 out of Chicago to the Mississippi Delta. 245 00:15:15,956 --> 00:15:19,627 We went to South near the beginning of cotton 246 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:22,630 Pickin Time, late August, 247 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:26,884 and we picked cotton for a half a day, 248 00:15:26,884 --> 00:15:29,887 and we would go swimming round the snake side of the river. 249 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:33,724 We have a lot of fun. 250 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,017 Emmett's 251 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,313 family lived on the outskirts of money, a whistlestop town 252 00:15:39,313 --> 00:15:42,316 in the heart of Delta cotton country. 253 00:15:43,067 --> 00:15:45,194 The town of money 254 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:47,655 was one street 255 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,657 with maybe 256 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,075 5 or 6 stores. 257 00:15:51,075 --> 00:15:54,036 But that's all just one. One story 258 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:57,039 wasn't much, wasn't really a town. 259 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,583 At one end of money 260 00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:03,212 was Bryan's Grocery, which made a business of selling candy 261 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:07,132 to black kids and provisions to field hands from nearby plantations. 262 00:16:08,676 --> 00:16:10,928 Roy Bryant, a 24 year 263 00:16:10,928 --> 00:16:15,557 old ex-soldier, and his wife Carolyn, owned the grocery and not much else. 264 00:16:17,184 --> 00:16:19,186 The Bryants lived with their two boys 265 00:16:19,186 --> 00:16:22,147 in cramped rooms behind the store. 266 00:16:22,898 --> 00:16:25,109 Roy's half brother, J.W. 267 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,112 Milam, helped out around the grocery. 268 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:32,116 The 235 pound Milam was a hard drinking man 269 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:35,828 with a reputation for being tough on anyone who got in his way. 270 00:16:40,207 --> 00:16:41,583 On a steamy Wednesday 271 00:16:41,583 --> 00:16:45,796 afternoon, Emmett and seven other teenagers piled into Mose 272 00:16:45,796 --> 00:16:49,508 Wright's old Ford and headed to Bryant's grocery store. 273 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:52,720 The day that we went to the store and money. 274 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,680 We were picking cotton, 275 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,683 first half of the day and the second half, because it was so hot. 276 00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:02,646 My uncle sold the car and took off the money to get some refreshments. 277 00:17:02,646 --> 00:17:05,649 Just general things you buy in a store. 278 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:11,905 Roy Bryant was out of town, leaving his wife Carolyn 279 00:17:11,905 --> 00:17:15,034 alone behind the counter when Emmett and his cousins pulled up. 280 00:17:16,952 --> 00:17:19,246 Other customers were sitting outside 281 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:22,207 talking and playing checkers in the cool of the shade. 282 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:28,672 1 or 2 at a time, the boys drifted into the store 283 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:31,842 and back out again with a cold drink or a piece of candy. 284 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:35,596 Then Emmett went in 285 00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,599 and bought $0.02 worth of bubble gum, 286 00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:40,726 according to witnesses. 287 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,436 On his way out of the store. 288 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:45,064 Emmett turned to Carolyn Bryant 289 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:47,274 and whistled. 290 00:17:47,274 --> 00:17:49,359 She stormed out. 291 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,571 We all got scared and someone said, she's going to get a pistol. 292 00:17:52,821 --> 00:17:54,073 That's when we became afraid. 293 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:57,493 So she's gone to the car to get a pistol and as she went to the car, 294 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,496 we all jumped in my uncle's car. 295 00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:03,999 I'm going pretty fast and dust is flying behind us. 296 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:05,542 And of course, Emmett Till. 297 00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:08,545 Wade does not to tell our grandfather what it took place. 298 00:18:09,004 --> 00:18:09,505 And we did. 299 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,300 And this was on a Wednesday and we didn't tell them were taking place. 300 00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:16,845 So Wednesday went by, Thursday went by. 301 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:18,013 Nothing. 302 00:18:18,013 --> 00:18:18,514 Friday. 303 00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:21,517 We forgot about it. 304 00:18:24,686 --> 00:18:27,689 Sunday morning, about 230. 305 00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,984 Or I heard a boy at the door 306 00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:32,319 and it said, This is Mr. 307 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:35,739 Bright, and said he wanted to board a dead coast at noon in. 308 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:40,035 And when I open the door, 309 00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:42,579 there was a man with a pistol 310 00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:45,582 in one hand and the flashlight in the other. 311 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,043 It was like a nightmare. 312 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:51,755 I mean, it's I mean, someone come and stand over you with a pistol, 313 00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:54,758 one hand, a flashlight, new 16 years old. 314 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:58,053 It's a terrifying experience. 315 00:18:58,053 --> 00:19:00,180 Very terrifying. 316 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:03,475 So we might go around to the found, 317 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:06,812 to the room in the bay with my baby boy. 318 00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:10,440 And they told him to get up and pretty close. 319 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,904 Mose, right, pleaded with the two men. 320 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:18,490 He's only 14 and he's from up north. 321 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:22,244 Why not give the boy a whipping right bait and leave it at that? 322 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,374 The two in the next room. 323 00:19:27,374 --> 00:19:30,294 Cousin and uncle. They never woke up. 324 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:32,379 My Uncle Semi did wake up. 325 00:19:32,379 --> 00:19:33,505 They told him to go back to sleep. 326 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,632 He's 12 years old. 327 00:19:35,632 --> 00:19:38,635 And I'll just say I'm six in the dark. 328 00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:42,848 J.W. Milam turned to Mose Wright. 329 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:44,391 How old are you, preacher? 330 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:45,851 He asked. 331 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,103 64, Wright replied. 332 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:51,899 If you make any trouble, you'll never live to be 65. 333 00:19:54,943 --> 00:19:55,402 Yeah, kid. 334 00:19:55,402 --> 00:19:58,405 Cardiac equation. Is this the right one? 335 00:19:58,697 --> 00:20:01,658 And I heard a voice a year, 336 00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:04,661 and they drove off toward money. 337 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,374 Nobody talked to anybody. 338 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,585 The house was as dark as a thousand 339 00:20:11,585 --> 00:20:14,588 midnight and couldn't see. 340 00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:18,550 And when they left, I was so afraid. 341 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:21,553 And so I'm waiting for them to come back. 342 00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:24,765 There was a Sunday morning, early Sunday morning. 343 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:37,486 I was playing beside the old, 344 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:41,365 and I saw Mr., Miles and them truck coming by, 345 00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:44,368 and it had all had a couple that had no what we call a top podium. 346 00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:48,914 And I heard somebody hollered on the truck. 347 00:20:50,999 --> 00:20:52,334 I could hear all this being 348 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:55,420 and I could hear this being a lock, and it is crying and crying and beat. 349 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:58,882 And I'm saying it must have been somebody up there. 350 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:00,884 I hope it didn't. 351 00:21:00,884 --> 00:21:03,804 Even before I got to info, I got to the barn, I passed. 352 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:04,846 They still would be. 353 00:21:04,846 --> 00:21:07,849 They still would be down here in. 354 00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:11,645 Mile came out. 355 00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:14,648 So he said, did you hear anything? 356 00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,068 I saw me, had a cattle pass 357 00:21:18,068 --> 00:21:22,656 and had a green out and sheet and a 45 on his side. 358 00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:25,826 So I said, no, I said, I ain't heard anything. 359 00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:26,743 I said anything. 360 00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:33,250 I was coming through there that morning. 361 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:38,297 Two Ty was out there watching the truck go, 362 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,884 latch and get on my truck out. 363 00:21:44,219 --> 00:21:45,929 That's all that blood come from. 364 00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:49,975 He laid the boy lay as we did. 365 00:21:51,226 --> 00:21:53,312 He said, there's a shoe here. 366 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,148 The one is still there. 367 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:59,151 So that's the way I said, who? 368 00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:04,156 Emitted a shoe. 369 00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:10,746 In Chicago. 370 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,957 A desperate Mamie Till notified the local newspapers 371 00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:16,960 of Emmett's disappearance 372 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:18,253 in Mississippi. 373 00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:22,841 The family alerted the sheriff and then began to search for any sign of the boy. 374 00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:27,095 Along riverbanks and under bridges where black folks always look, 375 00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:30,682 Emmett's uncle said, when something like this happens, you. 376 00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:34,603 The next day, 377 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:37,606 Roy Bryant was arrested for kidnaping. 378 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,650 J.W. Milam was at a store in nearby 379 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:43,904 Minto City when the La Flor County sheriff caught up with him. 380 00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,325 The day I got a report for you. 381 00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:53,872 To read up there like this. 382 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:57,334 He spoke again, all over again. 383 00:22:57,334 --> 00:23:00,212 Yeah. I got to retrieve you. 384 00:23:00,212 --> 00:23:03,215 Go away. Hell, no. 385 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:04,716 Thank you. 386 00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:06,635 Okay. 387 00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:08,804 It's no longer the two hour. 388 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,807 The high shave. Come back. 389 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:14,226 I say come on in and you need not go. 390 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:16,186 No. Do another. 391 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:18,647 Walked in and said, get up, Malcolm H. 392 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:19,940 I'm okay. 393 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,818 There a lot. 394 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,821 You've got to get ready. Go. 395 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:28,615 Yeah. 396 00:23:28,615 --> 00:23:31,618 You know, and. 397 00:23:33,578 --> 00:23:35,455 On August 31st, 398 00:23:35,455 --> 00:23:39,376 three days after Emmett Till I disappeared, a boy fishing 399 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:44,089 in the Tallahatchie noticed a body caught on a gnarled root in the muddy water. 400 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:47,634 He informed Tallahatchie County Sheriff 401 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:50,637 Clarence Strider. 402 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:53,807 My dad called me and 403 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,600 asked me, I have a boat in the river. 404 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,893 And I told him I did. 405 00:23:59,062 --> 00:24:01,148 Then he said, well, 406 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:02,899 we'll be down there in a little while. 407 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:07,571 And he sent deputies down here to go with me, and we took the boat 408 00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:10,574 and went up the river. 409 00:24:11,783 --> 00:24:14,744 It was in a curve in the drift, 410 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,747 and the foot was taking a. 411 00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:22,377 And we tore into the drift and got to him and, 412 00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:25,922 you know, got him out. 413 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:30,719 Then we carried him up to the, 414 00:24:30,719 --> 00:24:33,722 the land landing and put him in the Irish. 415 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,018 Emmett's body 416 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:41,563 had been weighed down with a 75 pound cotton gin fan 417 00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,816 tied around his neck with barbed wire, 418 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:49,529 and the boy was so badly beaten that Mose Wright could identify Emmett 419 00:24:49,696 --> 00:24:52,657 only by his father's ring. 420 00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:57,287 Mamie Till was in Chicago, surrounded by worried family 421 00:24:57,287 --> 00:25:01,208 and friends, when she was told that her only child was dead. 422 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:05,086 Those words were like 423 00:25:05,086 --> 00:25:08,798 arrows sticking all over my body. 424 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:12,385 My eyes were still full of tears 425 00:25:12,385 --> 00:25:15,388 until I couldn't see. 426 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:18,517 And when I began to make the announcement, 427 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:23,313 that Emmett had been found, 428 00:25:24,731 --> 00:25:27,234 and how he was found, 429 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:31,905 the whole house began to scream and to cry. 430 00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:36,910 And that's when I realized 431 00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:41,998 that this was a load that I was going to have to carry. 432 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,669 I wouldn't get any help carrying this. 433 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:50,173 You know, 434 00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:55,178 by the time Mamie received her son's body back in Chicago, two weeks 435 00:25:55,178 --> 00:25:58,682 after she had kissed him goodbye, Emmett's murder was front 436 00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:01,685 page news. 437 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:03,728 His body was taken 438 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:09,109 to a funeral home owned by a ranger who had promised Mississippi authorities 439 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,362 that he would keep the casket nailed shut. 440 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:16,992 When Mamie Till asked him to open it up, Raynor refused, 441 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,494 not asking. 442 00:26:19,494 --> 00:26:22,497 Mr. Raynor, do you have a hammer? 443 00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:25,417 I said, I haven't signed anything 444 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:28,086 and I haven't made any promises. 445 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,631 And if you can't open those back that box, I can. 446 00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,092 We open the casket. 447 00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:37,095 There was a terrible odor 448 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:41,057 that came from the body because the body had been in the water 449 00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:45,395 and began to deteriorate. 450 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,523 Mr. Raynor was he told the mother. 451 00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:51,443 He said, if I was you, I wouldn't look at this body, 452 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:54,446 but this body in such a horrible condition. 453 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:55,989 She said, Mr. 454 00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:58,283 Wayne, I want to see my son. 455 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:02,370 And I decided then that I would start at his feet and work my way up, 456 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:06,583 maybe gathering strength as I went, 457 00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:10,295 I paused at his midsection 458 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:13,465 because I knew he would not want me looking at him, 459 00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:16,343 but I 460 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:19,346 saw enough that I knew he was intact. 461 00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:24,851 I kept on up until I got to his chin, 462 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,896 and then I was forced 463 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:30,899 to deal with this face. 464 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:35,654 I saw that his tongue was choked out. 465 00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:40,784 I noticed that the right I was lying on 466 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:44,162 midway, his cheek. 467 00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:49,125 I noticed that his nose had been 468 00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:52,295 broken, like somebody 469 00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:55,840 took a meat chopper and chopped his nose 470 00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:59,260 in several places. 471 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:03,264 As I kept looking, I saw a hole 472 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,643 which I presumed was a bullet hole, 473 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:11,564 and I could look through that hole and see daylight on the other side. 474 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,193 And I wondered, was it necessary 475 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:18,196 to shoot it? 476 00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:20,615 Mr. Raynor asked me. 477 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:22,325 He said, 478 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:26,496 do you want me to touch the body up? 479 00:28:26,996 --> 00:28:27,997 I said, no, Mr. 480 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,041 Raynor, let the people see what I've seen. 481 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,295 I was just willing to bear it all. 482 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:37,841 I think everybody needed to know what had happened 483 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:40,844 to Emmett Till. 484 00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:45,765 Mamie's decision 485 00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:49,269 would make her son's death a touchstone for a generation. 486 00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:53,064 At a church on the south Side of Chicago, Emmett 487 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:57,485 Till's mutilated body would be on display for all to see. 488 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,113 It was on a Sunday afternoon. 489 00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:00,822 I won't ever forget. 490 00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:03,158 It was a Sunday afternoon. 491 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:04,784 The church was very calm. 492 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,746 The line was very orderly. 493 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:12,584 I thought that pretty soon the crowd would die down. 494 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,587 I looked like all of Chicago was there. 495 00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,132 He well, 496 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:23,261 they brought the children with him because Emmett was 14 years old 497 00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:27,140 and they wanted the younger kids to see what happened to Emmett. 498 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:29,642 He they were mad. 499 00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:32,270 They were angry. He. 500 00:29:34,272 --> 00:29:35,064 And as 501 00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:38,651 we were led into the church, my girlfriends and myself, 502 00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:43,323 we walked up to the casket and it was covered with, glass. 503 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:47,827 And we all looked down. 504 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,039 This was our friend 505 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,752 laying looking like a monster. He 506 00:29:56,836 --> 00:30:01,466 he they said that about one 507 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:05,804 in every five had to be assisted out of the building. 508 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,515 They would just go into a fight. 509 00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:12,018 See, I think black 510 00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:15,355 people's reaction was so visceral. 511 00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:20,443 He everybody knew we were under attack. 512 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,240 And that attack was symbolized 513 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,243 by the attack on a 14 year old boy 514 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:33,456 who, me? 515 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:35,917 As far as I was concerned, that wasn't him. 516 00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,920 There. 517 00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:42,048 Yet at the same time, 518 00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,051 as confused as it may sound, it was him. 519 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:49,639 But I didn't accept it. He, 520 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:53,309 Just in my mind, I kept saying, I'll see him again. 521 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:53,768 You know? 522 00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:57,397 And, I guess to me it didn't happen, 523 00:30:57,397 --> 00:31:00,400 but it did happen. 524 00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:14,956 50,000 people in Chicago 525 00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:18,209 had seen Emmett Till's corpse with their own eyes. 526 00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:22,088 When the black magazine jet ran photos of the body, 527 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,508 black Americans across the country shuddered. 528 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,177 It was grotesque. 529 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:29,804 I mean, it was just. 530 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:31,389 It blew my mind. 531 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,308 I couldn't sleep at night. 532 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,268 It was traumatic for me. 533 00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:37,770 From for months, 534 00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:40,773 I mean, I it touched us all. 535 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,275 Mainstream newspapers 536 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:45,820 and magazines spread the story of the 14 year old black 537 00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:49,157 boy who'd been brutally killed for whistling at a white woman. 538 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,869 It stunned white America. 539 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,164 Most white Americans at that time were saying 540 00:31:56,664 --> 00:31:59,500 things such as the Emmett Till murder 541 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,212 had happened back in slavery times, that these kinds of things 542 00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:06,841 were not of their generation, that they no longer happened in America. 543 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,720 And this said to them clearly, hey, it's right 544 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,267 here it is now. You. 545 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,856 Roy Bryant and J.W. 546 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,985 Milam admitted having taken Emmett Till, but claimed they'd let him go. 547 00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:30,698 Now, with the eyes of the nation turning to Mississippi, 548 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:34,911 the state appointed a special prosecutor and filed charges. 549 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:40,208 Formal indictment is that they did willfully, unlawfully felonious 550 00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,628 none of them, malice aforethought, kill and murder 551 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,631 Emmett Till, a human being. 552 00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:51,010 Scores of reporters descended on the Delta television networks, 553 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:54,389 chartered a plane to send footage to New York for the nightly news. 554 00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:59,644 The Associated Press fielded queries from Paris, Copenhagen, Tokyo 555 00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:02,689 the till case had become a major 556 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:05,692 international news story. 557 00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:09,153 Under the glare of the spotlight, 558 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,156 white Mississippians began to close ranks. 559 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,535 Local stores collected 560 00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:19,455 $10,000 in countertop jars for Bryant and Milam. 561 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,668 Every lawyer in the county joined their defense team. 562 00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:29,048 People of the socio economic level 563 00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:32,468 of the two defendants in this case 564 00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:35,471 were obviously looked down on by the, 565 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,766 more aristocratic whites, 566 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,561 almost, with the same disdain 567 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,564 that they looked down on, on blacks, 568 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:47,358 but they were still white folks. 569 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:51,237 And, when push came to shove, the white community 570 00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:54,490 read it in support of them against, 571 00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,910 a young black person 572 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,997 for whom they had even greater disdain, 573 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,333 the atmosphere among whites. 574 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,295 And Tallahatchie County and other, 575 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,591 the whole surrounding area was one of, absolute scorn 576 00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:14,886 at the fact that these men were being put on trial for their lives. 577 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,431 And the cynicism, was, 578 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,434 usually couched in very crude jokes. 579 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,771 One of them was, in that just like a nigger 580 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,983 to or swim across the Tallahatchie River with a giant fan around his neck. 581 00:34:30,943 --> 00:34:33,071 I can't understand how 582 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,699 a civilized mother could put a dead body 583 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,911 of a child on public display. 584 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,747 I'm almost convinced 585 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:48,086 that the very beginning of this was by a communistic front butcher. 586 00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:50,963 I tell you right now, if he gets justice, they're turning the loose. 587 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,801 If others on the grand jury, that is what I would do. 588 00:34:58,387 --> 00:35:00,098 Among African Americans, 589 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,852 there was outright fear to tide Collins, who worked for J.W. 590 00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,814 Milam and had been seen washing blood from my limbs. 591 00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:10,566 Trunk disappeared. 592 00:35:10,566 --> 00:35:13,361 The message to black people was clear. 593 00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:14,821 Hide what you know. 594 00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:18,241 Hide even what you think or face the consequences. 595 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:20,576 Young man. 596 00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:23,496 Do you think these two men should be indicted? 597 00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:24,956 I mean, no, no. 598 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,917 What do you mean you don't know? 599 00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:29,669 I don't know. You're up. 600 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:32,171 Have you studied the case by reading the papers? 601 00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:32,547 Perhaps 602 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,925 that's. 603 00:35:35,925 --> 00:35:38,261 And you don't know whether they should be invited. 604 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,846 Those indicted? Yes. 605 00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:40,763 Thank you very much. 606 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,766 Well. 607 00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:46,602 On September 19th, less than three weeks 608 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,314 after Emmett's body was found, Roy Bryant and J.W. 609 00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,526 Milam Trial for murder opened in Sumner, Mississippi, 610 00:35:53,776 --> 00:35:57,238 which touted itself as a good place to raise a boy. 611 00:35:59,532 --> 00:36:02,994 The air in the courtroom, a reporter wrote, was as heavy 612 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:06,080 and oppressive as the moss that hangs from the cypress trees 613 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:09,041 in the courtroom. 614 00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,044 They recorded 118 degrees. 615 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,673 And, of course, there was no air conditioning. 616 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:17,508 They had the ceiling. 617 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:20,887 Fans were only stirring the air up, 618 00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:24,432 making it hotter when it reached your body. 619 00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,936 On the first day of the trial, presiding Judge Curtis Wango 620 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:33,691 named the jury all white men from Bryant and Milam, home County. 621 00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:38,196 I remember looking at the at that jury, 622 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:43,451 and even though I knew a good many of the men who owned the jury 623 00:36:43,826 --> 00:36:46,829 and and they looked mean to me, 624 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:50,416 I would have hated going up against any of those guys. 625 00:36:52,585 --> 00:36:54,086 Tallahatchie County Sheriff 626 00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:58,716 and plantation owner Clarence Strider was responsible for locating witnesses 627 00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:01,719 and gathering evidence against Bryant and Milo. 628 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:06,015 Sheriff Strider was a big, 629 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:10,061 fat, plain talking, obscene talking sheriff. 630 00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:11,979 You would expect to find in the South. 631 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,316 His actions at the trial were more. 632 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,486 I think he would latter so much to see justice of what was going on, 633 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:21,697 but to be sure that he has courtroom was totally segregated. 634 00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:23,616 The man had laid it out. 635 00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:28,788 We got 22 seats over here for you white boys, and we got four seats. 636 00:37:28,788 --> 00:37:30,122 Oh, we have you got a board? 637 00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:32,959 We don't mix them down here. We ain't going to mix them. 638 00:37:32,959 --> 00:37:34,752 I don't intend to. 639 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,545 You ain't going to be with the white folks, 640 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:38,047 and white folks are going to be with you. 641 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:42,093 And y'all might be baking, but ain't going to be no love nest between 642 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,177 black and white. Well, 643 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:47,556 Strider consigned black reporters and Detroit 644 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,352 Congressman Charles Diggs to a card table on the sidelines. 645 00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:55,106 Strider greeted them as he passed with a cheery hello, niggers! 646 00:37:55,982 --> 00:37:59,568 We never having a trouble until some of our southern niggers 647 00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:04,365 go up north in an NAACP talk term, and it come back home. 648 00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:08,536 If they will keep their nose and mouths out of our business, 649 00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:11,539 we'll be able to do more 650 00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:16,002 when enforcing the laws of Tallahatchie Pen and Mississippi. 651 00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:19,588 The reaction of reporters from out of 652 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,591 the South was one of just absolute amazement. 653 00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:28,681 They knew that there were, strange things going on in and in places 654 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,184 like Sumner, but they did not know it to be quite like that. 655 00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:37,231 They were really surprised that, and what they found at the same time, 656 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:41,819 of course, they wrote about it with great relish because it was a good story. 657 00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:44,572 It had sex, 658 00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,742 it had murder, it had mystery. 659 00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:54,832 When Mamie Till arrived, she had to make her way through. 660 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,877 An unsympathetic crowd gathered on the courthouse lawn. 661 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,005 What do you intend to do here? 662 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:04,425 I tell you to answer any questions that might. 663 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:08,721 That the attorneys might ask you to answer to the fact that, 664 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,724 how do you think you could possibly be a help to them? 665 00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:12,975 I don't know what you mean. 666 00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:16,270 Just by answering that as a question that they asked me. See, 667 00:39:17,646 --> 00:39:20,358 do you have any evidence bearing on this case? 668 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,693 Obviously, I didn't know that 669 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,696 this is my son. 670 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:28,366 Mamie Till testified that the body 671 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,535 she had examined and buried was indeed her son. 672 00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:36,457 In their cross-examination, Bryant and Mylan's attorneys peppered her 673 00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:40,961 with hostile questions and then presented the main argument for the defense 674 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:45,508 the corpse pulled from the Tallahatchie River was not Emmett Till. 675 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,303 They summed up by saying, 676 00:39:49,303 --> 00:39:55,226 isn't it true that you and the ACP got your heads together 677 00:39:55,935 --> 00:39:57,478 and you came down here? 678 00:39:57,478 --> 00:40:00,481 And with their help, you all dug up a body 679 00:40:00,523 --> 00:40:05,236 and you have, claimed that body to be your son. 680 00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,115 Isn't it true that your son is in Detroit, Michigan 681 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:12,118 with his grandfather right now, 682 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,913 with Sheriff Strider and courtroom sentiment clearly on the side 683 00:40:15,913 --> 00:40:20,709 of the defendants, reporters began their own desperate search for witnesses. 684 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,547 Black people wasn't speaking out about the Emmett Till, case 685 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:29,343 at that particular time because they knew that it could happen to them. 686 00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:33,722 The blacks feared fighting for their lives and for their family life 687 00:40:33,931 --> 00:40:35,558 because of what it was they were. 688 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:37,852 Those white folks were for real. 689 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,938 So it was just, you know, like, hush hush, you know? 690 00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:43,149 So I was told to keep my mouth shut. 691 00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:44,150 And that's what I did. 692 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,780 Two days into the trial, reporters got a lead on a young 693 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:53,534 sharecropper named Willie Reed who might be willing to talk 694 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,454 now. Was in the cotton field. I was picking. 695 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:58,831 I was picking cotton, picking cotton. 696 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:02,460 And I looked across a field in was about so many people come across 697 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,463 the field toward me was white and black, and that way. 698 00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:08,382 And then they began to question me about this. 699 00:41:08,382 --> 00:41:10,134 It did you see anything? 700 00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:13,137 So I told them when I saw. 701 00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:15,514 Putting his life at risk, 702 00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:18,517 Willie Reed agreed to step forward. 703 00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:22,188 Whenever you walk near a courtroom and, 704 00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:24,398 you know what? 705 00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:27,276 You there you go on testifying. 706 00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,821 Then you look at all these white folks, everybody looking at you. 707 00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:33,365 Now, you got a frowns on your face and everything. 708 00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:36,076 You see 709 00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:39,038 them, they be looking at you really wrong and looking at you. 710 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,164 Yeah. 711 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:43,167 Why is you looking at it? Was. 712 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:46,462 Reed spoke 713 00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:49,465 in a voice barely louder than a whisper. 714 00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:52,301 He'd seen Roy Bryant, J.W. 715 00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:56,555 Milam and one other white man with Emmett Till early that Sunday morning 716 00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:00,518 and had heard the sounds of a beating coming from Milam shed. 717 00:42:02,144 --> 00:42:04,063 After delivering his testimony, 718 00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:07,066 Reed was smuggled out of Mississippi. 719 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:10,027 When he reached Chicago, he was hospitalized 720 00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:13,030 with a nervous breakdown. 721 00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:19,036 The prosecution's best witness was Mose Wright, 722 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:22,456 who had clearly seen the man who took Emmett Till from his home. 723 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,502 Wright had been in hiding since the night of the kidnaping 724 00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,004 and had been threatened with death. 725 00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:32,341 But there, in the searing heat of a Delta courtroom, 726 00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:36,136 the 64 year old sharecropper had his say. 727 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:40,391 One of the attorneys asked, 728 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,643 do you know the man 729 00:42:42,643 --> 00:42:45,646 who came to your house at night to get 730 00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:47,856 Emmett Till? 731 00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:50,025 How do you how? 732 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:54,697 Mose Wright stood and pointed first at Roy Bryant, then at J.W. 733 00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:56,323 Milam. 734 00:42:56,323 --> 00:42:59,243 There he he said. 735 00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:01,537 Wright later claimed he could feel the blood 736 00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:04,540 boil and hundreds of white people in the courtroom. 737 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:08,502 But he said I had decided to tell it like it was. 738 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:14,466 That was a dramatic moment, and it took an awful lot of courage 739 00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:18,095 for him to get up there and, do what he did. 740 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,057 I think he had decided that he was going to do it. 741 00:43:22,808 --> 00:43:25,603 No matter what happened. 742 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,313 After he testified, 743 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:30,983 Wright left his cotton blooming in the field, his old car 744 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:34,903 sitting at the station, and slipped on to the train to Chicago. 745 00:43:35,654 --> 00:43:38,324 He would never again live in Mississippi. 746 00:43:43,203 --> 00:43:44,246 The trial drew to a 747 00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,249 close after only five days. 748 00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,210 In his summation, the lead defense attorney 749 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:54,423 warned members of the jury that their ancestors would turn over 750 00:43:54,423 --> 00:43:58,260 in their graves if Bryant and Milam were found guilty. 751 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,014 Every last Anglo-Saxon one of you, 752 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:05,142 he said, has the courage to free these men. 753 00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:09,355 As the jury retired, 754 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,941 the black people who were standing around the walls 755 00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:16,236 began to ease out of the door. 756 00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:20,074 I said, it's time for us to go. 757 00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,370 Congressman Diggs so what? 758 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,622 I missed the verdict. 759 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:28,957 I said, Congressman, this is one verdict 760 00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,960 you don't want to be present to hear. 761 00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:34,505 The crowd 762 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:37,508 in the courtroom waited in the heat. 763 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:39,760 Reporters overheard members of the jury 764 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,763 laughing and joking in the jury room. 765 00:44:43,055 --> 00:44:46,016 In just over an hour, the jury returned. 766 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,895 And the Emmett Till murder trial. 767 00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:51,980 The all white jury has acquitted the two white 768 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,983 defendants accused of killing the 14 year old Negro youth. 769 00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:58,654 The jury foreman said the deciding factor was the state's failure 770 00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:00,155 to prove the identity of the body. 771 00:45:00,155 --> 00:45:03,158 Pulled from a river near Sumner, Mississippi. 772 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:05,452 A juror later revealed that 773 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,455 the jury had stalled to make it look good. 774 00:45:09,415 --> 00:45:12,668 They wouldn't have taken so long to return to the courtroom, he said. 775 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:16,422 If they hadn't stopped to drink, pop, 776 00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:20,050 the verdict came in not guilty. 777 00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,928 You could hear guns firing. 778 00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:26,014 I mean, it was almost like a 4th of July celebration, 779 00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,893 or it was almost as if the White Sox 780 00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:32,896 had won the pennant in the city of Chicago. 781 00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:35,691 It was just, it was just 782 00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:39,820 oh, it was a mess. 783 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:42,489 After the 784 00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:45,492 trial, Sheriff Clarence Strider told reporters, 785 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,912 I hope the Chicago niggers and the ACP are 786 00:45:48,912 --> 00:45:51,915 satisfied. 787 00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:54,168 People are used to doing things 788 00:45:54,168 --> 00:45:57,171 normal around here. 789 00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,548 And they just 790 00:45:59,548 --> 00:46:01,467 tried to run anything. 791 00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:03,510 They thought they could run over the judge. 792 00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:07,723 And this year, and everybody over there, they thought that they, 793 00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:12,686 you know, could just take over, but they didn't. 794 00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:14,563 How do you feel now? 795 00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:17,566 It's all over, Roy, how about you? 796 00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,652 I'm just glad it's over. 797 00:46:20,652 --> 00:46:24,406 I, I'm doing a little black, firm 798 00:46:24,823 --> 00:46:27,826 like you must smile. 799 00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:34,208 Reports 800 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:37,795 of the acquittal made front page headlines across the United States 801 00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:41,173 and set off an international firestorm. 802 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,926 The life of a Negro in Mississippi, 803 00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:47,221 one European paper observed, is not worth a whistle. 804 00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:54,937 From Boston to Los Angeles, black people packed meeting halls 805 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,982 and spilled into the streets to hear Mamie Till tell her story. 806 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,529 And what I saw was a shame before God. 807 00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:05,364 And I, 808 00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:07,991 and the way the charity chose to believe 809 00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:11,411 the ridiculous stories of the defense attorneys. 810 00:47:12,579 --> 00:47:16,708 I just can't go into detail to tell you the silly 811 00:47:16,708 --> 00:47:20,921 things, the stupid things that were brought up as probabilities. 812 00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:23,590 And they swallowed it like a fish swallowed up. 813 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:27,094 Just anything, just any excuse to put these two men 814 00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,431 protected from further prosecution. 815 00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:33,183 Roy Bryant and J.W. 816 00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:36,812 Milam sold their story to a reporter from look magazine 817 00:47:36,812 --> 00:47:39,815 for $4,000. 818 00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:41,525 Their account appeared 819 00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,528 just four months after the acquittal. 820 00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:46,780 We took them in. 821 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:50,367 We was just going to whip them, scare some sense into them. 822 00:47:54,454 --> 00:47:57,165 Back of the house to share 823 00:47:57,165 --> 00:48:00,168 two rooms about 12ft square. 824 00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:02,713 You walked them in there and took turns 825 00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:05,716 smashing them across the head with the 45. 826 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:06,884 First. 827 00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,845 My brother and me. 828 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:14,391 We put him back in the truck. 829 00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,394 We knew what we was going to do. 830 00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:20,147 Here's a spot about a mile 831 00:48:20,147 --> 00:48:23,150 and a half from the bridge where the banks are steep. 832 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:26,653 It was just spot. 833 00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:29,531 I held up the gun 834 00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:31,116 I fired, and the Chicago boy 835 00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:34,119 twisted round and caught it right in the ear. 836 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:38,206 We tied the gin fan to his neck with barbed wire, 837 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:41,209 and rolled his body into 20ft of muddy water. 838 00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:45,005 For three hours that morning, 839 00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,008 we had a big old fire in the yard. 840 00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:50,427 Damn if that nigger didn't have crape soled shoes. 841 00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:54,598 You know how hard they are to burn. 842 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:04,691 If there were others involved, as Willie Reed and Mose Wright 843 00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:08,028 had testified under oath, Milam and Bryant 844 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:11,031 did not name them. 845 00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,119 Mamie Till went to Washington 846 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,122 to press the federal government to reopen the case. 847 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:23,585 Despite thousands of letters protesting Mississippi's handling of the murder, 848 00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:27,339 President Dwight Eisenhower and FBI director J. 849 00:49:27,339 --> 00:49:30,509 Edgar Hoover ruled out a federal investigation. 850 00:49:31,843 --> 00:49:33,637 Eisenhower didn't even answer 851 00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:36,640 Mamie Till's telegram. 852 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,019 No one ever did time for the killing 853 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:44,022 of the 14 year old black boy from Chicago. 854 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,154 But his murder 855 00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,741 and the trial and acquittal of his killers send a powerful message. 856 00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:59,955 If change was going to come, people would have to put themselves on the line. 857 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:03,583 Contributions to civil rights groups soared, 858 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:08,505 and 100 days after the death of Emmett Till, Rosa Parks refused 859 00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:13,051 to give up her seat to a white person, and the Montgomery bus boycott began. 860 00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:16,638 When people 861 00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:19,641 saw what had happened to my son, 862 00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,437 men stood up who had never stood up before. 863 00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:28,275 People became vocal, who had never vocalized before. 864 00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:31,653 Emmett's death 865 00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:34,823 was the opening of the civil rights movement. 866 00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,744 He was the sacrificial lamb of the movement. 867 00:50:43,957 --> 00:50:46,126 I do believe that 868 00:50:46,126 --> 00:50:51,298 nationally, or at least across the South, the Emmett Till trial and the 869 00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:55,844 and the result of that trial somehow spurred the civil rights movement 870 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:00,057 to see if this was the last straw. 871 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:03,393 Or maybe it was the spark. 872 00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,733 People were thoroughly disgusted at, 873 00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:15,197 what happened in that situation and made an awful lot of people 874 00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:19,326 realize that they themselves had to get involved 875 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,871 and do something. 876 00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:27,584 It was just a magnificent reaction 877 00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:32,756 to a very ugly thing that had taken place in this country. 68476

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