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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,715 --> 00:00:05,635 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:05,635 --> 00:00:07,595 Hello and welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked. 3 00:00:07,595 --> 00:00:09,915 I am your host, Ed Gamble. Before we get started properly, 4 00:00:09,915 --> 00:00:11,835 should say massive, massive spoiler warning. 5 00:00:11,835 --> 00:00:14,235 If you're not up-to-date on this series of The Traitors, 6 00:00:14,235 --> 00:00:16,235 get yourself to BBC iPlayer and get caught up now, 7 00:00:16,235 --> 00:00:17,395 you massive weirdo, 8 00:00:17,395 --> 00:00:20,515 because we have so much to talk about on tonight's show. 9 00:00:20,515 --> 00:00:24,395 We will see the moment that banished Jonny and murdered Meg 10 00:00:24,395 --> 00:00:26,595 finally find out who the Traitors are 11 00:00:26,595 --> 00:00:29,115 and they'll both be with me in The Traitors Basement 12 00:00:29,115 --> 00:00:30,995 to discuss all things treachery, 13 00:00:30,995 --> 00:00:32,555 trickery and treason. 14 00:00:32,555 --> 00:00:34,997 Plus, to discuss tonight's explosive episode, 15 00:00:34,997 --> 00:00:36,355 I'll be joined by 16 00:00:36,355 --> 00:00:39,955 RuPaul's Drag Race star and Traitors superfan Danny Beard 17 00:00:39,955 --> 00:00:43,635 and season one Traitor and total legend Amanda. 18 00:00:43,635 --> 00:00:46,155 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19 00:00:48,275 --> 00:00:51,515 Welcome, welcome and thank you for joining us once again 20 00:00:51,515 --> 00:00:54,355 in this castle-esque basement. 21 00:00:54,355 --> 00:00:56,675 We have got a lot to discuss on tonight's episode. 22 00:00:56,675 --> 00:00:58,395 It really, it really had it all. 23 00:00:58,395 --> 00:01:01,435 Claudia screaming into a megaphone at no-one in particular. 24 00:01:01,435 --> 00:01:03,475 I'm obsessed with how much Claudia screams. 25 00:01:03,475 --> 00:01:04,875 Especially in the missions, 26 00:01:04,875 --> 00:01:06,435 she absolutely loves a scream, doesn't she? 27 00:01:06,435 --> 00:01:08,755 Yeah. She's like the mother, isn't she, on sports day? 28 00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:11,395 She really is, yeah. You know, cheering her kids on. 29 00:01:11,395 --> 00:01:13,195 "Come on!" A particularly vicious mother at sports day, 30 00:01:13,195 --> 00:01:15,195 I would say. A vicious mother, yes. 31 00:01:15,195 --> 00:01:17,195 I'm still not over the scarecrow of Claudia. 32 00:01:17,195 --> 00:01:19,515 I want to know what's happened to the scarecrow of Claudia. 33 00:01:19,515 --> 00:01:22,075 Do you want it in your house? I want it outside me house. 34 00:01:22,075 --> 00:01:24,675 I'd never get broken into again! 35 00:01:24,675 --> 00:01:27,835 Well, before we go any further, we should talk about what happened 36 00:01:27,835 --> 00:01:29,955 at the end of tonight's nail-biting episode. Yeah. 37 00:01:29,955 --> 00:01:32,315 So, let's have a little reminder. 38 00:01:32,315 --> 00:01:34,115 OK, it's between Diane... 39 00:01:35,435 --> 00:01:37,275 Charlotte. 40 00:01:37,275 --> 00:01:38,555 And Tracey. 41 00:01:40,315 --> 00:01:43,275 # Who will save us? # 42 00:01:47,155 --> 00:01:48,235 This murder's perfect. 43 00:01:48,235 --> 00:01:50,395 It's a good move. 44 00:01:50,395 --> 00:01:51,475 100%. 45 00:01:52,395 --> 00:01:53,675 Let's do it. OK. 46 00:01:53,675 --> 00:01:55,875 I love this game. 47 00:01:55,875 --> 00:01:58,595 # Who will save us? # 48 00:01:58,595 --> 00:02:02,035 Well, they've decided someone from those three. 49 00:02:02,035 --> 00:02:04,075 And according to Harry, the murder's perfect. 50 00:02:04,075 --> 00:02:05,715 Who do we think it's going to be 51 00:02:05,715 --> 00:02:08,195 and who do we hope it's going to be? 52 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:12,555 I think if they choose Charlotte, it would be... 53 00:02:12,555 --> 00:02:14,235 It's so random 54 00:02:14,235 --> 00:02:17,915 that it would throw everyone into a bit of a tizz in there. 55 00:02:17,915 --> 00:02:20,115 That would be a really random one, wouldn't it? Yes. 56 00:02:20,115 --> 00:02:22,395 Yeah. Yeah, it would. It would be like, well, why her? 57 00:02:22,395 --> 00:02:24,275 Yeah. So who's been connected to her? 58 00:02:24,275 --> 00:02:26,635 Who's been...? We've not heard a lot from Charlotte yet. No. 59 00:02:26,635 --> 00:02:28,035 She's played a pretty quiet game, 60 00:02:28,035 --> 00:02:30,715 so to kill her out of the blue would really mess people up. 61 00:02:30,715 --> 00:02:32,235 Yeah. And I wouldn't do the clairvoyant, 62 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:33,875 because she might see it coming, 63 00:02:33,875 --> 00:02:36,035 even though she's seen nothing else coming so far. 64 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:40,875 So, we're not hoping for Tracey. 65 00:02:40,875 --> 00:02:42,515 We're not... We're maybe hoping for Charlotte. 66 00:02:42,515 --> 00:02:44,795 I wouldn't mind if it was Tracey. 67 00:02:44,795 --> 00:02:46,955 She's not giving... She's not giving us nothing. 68 00:02:46,955 --> 00:02:50,155 And no offence, Amanda, but Diane's taking it for the gays now. 69 00:02:50,155 --> 00:02:53,035 Well... She is. I pass my crown on. You passed the crown on, hon. 70 00:02:53,035 --> 00:02:54,355 I pass my crown over. 71 00:02:54,355 --> 00:02:55,875 We, and I say we collectively, 72 00:02:55,875 --> 00:02:57,315 because I do speak on behalf 73 00:02:57,315 --> 00:02:59,035 of all the homosexuals in the country, 74 00:02:59,035 --> 00:03:00,275 we love her. 75 00:03:00,275 --> 00:03:01,555 Yeah. She's amazing. 76 00:03:01,555 --> 00:03:04,235 What is it about Diane that you love so much? She's just... 77 00:03:04,235 --> 00:03:06,315 You know if she was your teacher, 78 00:03:06,315 --> 00:03:08,355 she would be your enemy in Year Seven. 100%. 79 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:09,955 Yeah, she's strong. There's 30-year-olds 80 00:03:09,955 --> 00:03:12,835 all round the country quivering... Yeah. ..seeing her on the telly. 81 00:03:12,835 --> 00:03:13,995 They're having flashbacks. Yeah. 82 00:03:13,995 --> 00:03:17,275 They're probably having to go back through therapy seeing her on telly. 83 00:03:17,275 --> 00:03:20,555 But it's just something about a strong woman... Yeah. 84 00:03:20,555 --> 00:03:22,275 I'd be scared to fart round Diane. 85 00:03:22,275 --> 00:03:24,475 Oh, yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't. 86 00:03:24,475 --> 00:03:27,035 She'd know what I'd had for dinner. Yeah, she would. She... 87 00:03:27,035 --> 00:03:28,355 LAUGHTER IN STUDIO You absolutely couldn't. 88 00:03:28,355 --> 00:03:29,955 "McDonald's?" Do you know what I mean? 89 00:03:29,955 --> 00:03:31,635 She is on it like a car bonnet. 90 00:03:31,635 --> 00:03:34,635 I love the example with McDonald's, as well. Well, cos that's all I eat. 91 00:03:34,635 --> 00:03:37,515 Unfortunately, it was Jonny who got banished tonight. 92 00:03:37,515 --> 00:03:39,835 I mean, I personally didn't really see this coming 93 00:03:39,835 --> 00:03:40,955 from the previous episode. 94 00:03:40,955 --> 00:03:43,275 It seems to have all happened so quickly. 95 00:03:43,275 --> 00:03:46,315 I think when one person is mentioned, 96 00:03:46,315 --> 00:03:48,795 it is like that bit of herd mentality. 97 00:03:48,795 --> 00:03:51,275 Everybody now is trying to save themselves, as well, aren't they? 98 00:03:51,275 --> 00:03:54,315 Yeah. So if they haven't really got a lot to go on, 99 00:03:54,315 --> 00:03:57,915 they jump onto the bandwagon, and yeah, unfortunately, 100 00:03:57,915 --> 00:03:59,315 I didn't see it coming. 101 00:03:59,315 --> 00:04:01,755 And I liked Jonny. Yeah, yeah. Jonny was a good boy. 102 00:04:01,755 --> 00:04:04,155 You've been there. Do you find that you all... 103 00:04:04,155 --> 00:04:06,755 Do you just jump in and think, "How can I save myself?" 104 00:04:06,755 --> 00:04:09,475 Because you see it flip on a coin and it annoys me. 105 00:04:09,475 --> 00:04:10,715 Yeah, absolutely. 106 00:04:10,715 --> 00:04:11,755 I mean, it can change... 107 00:04:11,755 --> 00:04:14,195 You know, you sort of have the chats throughout the day 108 00:04:14,195 --> 00:04:16,675 and then you think, "Right, OK, the majority is going to go 109 00:04:16,675 --> 00:04:18,035 "with a certain person." 110 00:04:18,035 --> 00:04:20,115 It can change round that table three or four times. 111 00:04:20,115 --> 00:04:21,515 Let's talk about Paul, 112 00:04:21,515 --> 00:04:24,915 because certainly Jaz really has his sights set on Paul now. 113 00:04:24,915 --> 00:04:26,995 Do we think that's going to come to fruition? 114 00:04:26,995 --> 00:04:29,435 Because he seems to be holding back a little bit as well, 115 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:31,915 because he knows how much clout Paul's got, is what he said. 116 00:04:31,915 --> 00:04:34,515 I think Paul is really going to be in the spotlight now... Yeah. 117 00:04:34,515 --> 00:04:36,955 ..so he's really got to pull it out of the bag. 118 00:04:36,955 --> 00:04:38,955 Yeah. I think he's going to do it, do you? 119 00:04:38,955 --> 00:04:40,835 I mean, the suspicions have started to come. 120 00:04:40,835 --> 00:04:43,995 So, let's actually have a little look at what Jaz said about Paul. 121 00:04:43,995 --> 00:04:48,035 So, please, if I'm not here tomorrow, 122 00:04:48,035 --> 00:04:49,915 remember this conversation. 123 00:04:49,915 --> 00:04:52,115 Bro, he's acting different, 124 00:04:52,115 --> 00:04:56,315 and he's too popular to be bringing his name up. 125 00:04:56,315 --> 00:04:57,595 Too popular. 126 00:04:57,595 --> 00:04:59,395 There's too much clout. 127 00:04:59,395 --> 00:05:02,555 It's a very smart move from Jaz... Yeah. Yeah. ..I think. 128 00:05:02,555 --> 00:05:03,995 To say that out loud, 129 00:05:03,995 --> 00:05:06,035 to voice your opinion and say, 130 00:05:06,035 --> 00:05:08,555 "If I'm killed tonight, then it's Paul," 131 00:05:08,555 --> 00:05:10,675 it almost guarantees that he won't be killed. 132 00:05:10,675 --> 00:05:13,235 Exactly, yeah. Because he's the one saying that, right? 133 00:05:13,235 --> 00:05:16,435 But as long as Jaz knows he's saying it to 134 00:05:16,435 --> 00:05:18,275 someone who's going to tell Paul that. 135 00:05:18,275 --> 00:05:20,395 Yeah, well... And he is. He's saying it to Harry. 136 00:05:20,395 --> 00:05:22,075 Well, he's saying it to Harry. Guaranteed. 137 00:05:22,075 --> 00:05:24,955 The only thing with Paul is, I think he's playing it very clever, 138 00:05:24,955 --> 00:05:27,955 but I think he's going to turn even on Harry 139 00:05:27,955 --> 00:05:30,075 and Harry isn't going to be aware of that. 140 00:05:30,075 --> 00:05:34,235 I also think the whole point of The Traitors is, well, 141 00:05:34,235 --> 00:05:35,995 you're second-guessing, then you're third-guessing 142 00:05:35,995 --> 00:05:37,235 then you're fourth-guessing. 143 00:05:37,235 --> 00:05:39,515 You never know if something's a double bluff, a triple bluff, 144 00:05:39,515 --> 00:05:42,635 a however many bluff, you know? I'm not Carol Vorderman. 145 00:05:42,635 --> 00:05:46,155 So, it's how do we know he's not the Traitor? 146 00:05:46,155 --> 00:05:47,595 That's what my mind would be going. 147 00:05:47,595 --> 00:05:49,235 Yeah. You know? My mind would be going, 148 00:05:49,235 --> 00:05:51,315 "Well, how do we know Jaz is not the Traitor?" 149 00:05:51,315 --> 00:05:54,235 "If I'm not killed tonight," and then he turns up tomorrow, 150 00:05:54,235 --> 00:05:56,235 how are YOU not planting the seed? 151 00:05:56,235 --> 00:05:59,075 I mean, I'd be a paranoid mess if I was in there. 152 00:05:59,075 --> 00:06:00,555 Yeah. I'd have to be a Traitor. 153 00:06:00,555 --> 00:06:02,195 Oh, I had so much fun. Yeah. 154 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:05,115 Yeah! I mean, you know, I've had five children. 155 00:06:05,115 --> 00:06:07,635 God, I'd a couple of weeks away. It was fantastic! 156 00:06:07,635 --> 00:06:09,395 I didn't care if I had to murder 157 00:06:09,395 --> 00:06:11,035 to have a couple of weeks away. 158 00:06:11,035 --> 00:06:14,115 You'd do anything for a free breakfast and a bit of, you know, 159 00:06:14,115 --> 00:06:16,155 a bit of time on your own after five children. 160 00:06:16,155 --> 00:06:18,395 So, no, I really enjoyed... This is why you're loved. 161 00:06:18,395 --> 00:06:21,195 Paul also got called out by Anthony at the round table... Yes. 162 00:06:21,195 --> 00:06:24,355 ..and this was to do with their sort of botched plan. 163 00:06:24,355 --> 00:06:27,715 Now, the plan was obviously Paul was going to be saved, 164 00:06:27,715 --> 00:06:30,275 then they could they could kill Andrew, 165 00:06:30,275 --> 00:06:32,475 and then Meg would get banished. 166 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:33,875 But obviously they saved Andrew, 167 00:06:33,875 --> 00:06:35,835 because Paul thought he was the most popular. Yes. 168 00:06:35,835 --> 00:06:37,635 So it's all gone a little bit wrong. 169 00:06:37,635 --> 00:06:40,195 But then when you see... This is why I think Paul's incredible. 170 00:06:40,195 --> 00:06:43,355 When they went back to the turret, Paul's reaction was, 171 00:06:43,355 --> 00:06:44,395 "It's worked, our plan's worked. 172 00:06:44,395 --> 00:06:47,035 It's like, "No, it hasn't. Your exact plan completely failed." 173 00:06:47,035 --> 00:06:50,075 Yeah, but he can't see that. He can't see that. Because to him... 174 00:06:50,075 --> 00:06:51,675 He wanted Ash out. 175 00:06:51,675 --> 00:06:52,875 She's gone. 176 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:54,515 So, to him, that was his plan. 177 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:57,155 Yes. I think that was his individual plan in his mind. 178 00:06:57,155 --> 00:06:59,475 Although he's playing Team Traitors, 179 00:06:59,475 --> 00:07:00,715 he's not Team Traitors. 180 00:07:00,715 --> 00:07:02,915 He's Team Paul. Team Paul. He's Team Paul. He's Team Paul. 181 00:07:02,915 --> 00:07:05,515 Absolutely. We're on the same page, guys. 182 00:07:05,515 --> 00:07:06,675 Yeah. 183 00:07:06,675 --> 00:07:08,835 Amanda, how many steps ahead were you as a Traitor? 184 00:07:08,835 --> 00:07:10,435 Were you doing things day by day, 185 00:07:10,435 --> 00:07:12,835 or were you thinking ahead like a game of chess? 186 00:07:12,835 --> 00:07:14,115 Oh, no. Day by day. 187 00:07:14,115 --> 00:07:16,315 Who was annoying me that day! But that didn't come across. 188 00:07:16,315 --> 00:07:17,915 I thought you had it all covered. 189 00:07:17,915 --> 00:07:19,755 I thought you absolutely had the whole thing planned. 190 00:07:19,755 --> 00:07:22,955 Cool as a cucumber. I know, I was in the chess club when I was younger, 191 00:07:22,955 --> 00:07:24,515 so perhaps something... Maybe that's it. 192 00:07:24,515 --> 00:07:25,995 ..like that came through. I don't know. 193 00:07:25,995 --> 00:07:28,075 Yeah, but we've got that chess guy in there now. 194 00:07:28,075 --> 00:07:31,115 He's a chess coach, to be fair. Oh, he's a coach, is he? Yeah. Yeah. 195 00:07:31,115 --> 00:07:34,595 I think the best way to play a Traitor, 196 00:07:34,595 --> 00:07:38,115 I know it's a game of deception, but it's a game of trust. Mm-hm. 197 00:07:38,115 --> 00:07:41,875 You have to get people to trust you very quickly. 198 00:07:41,875 --> 00:07:43,675 And Paul has done that. Yeah. 199 00:07:43,675 --> 00:07:45,355 And that's what it's about. 200 00:07:45,355 --> 00:07:47,915 And as long as they trust you and believe in you, 201 00:07:47,915 --> 00:07:50,195 they believe any shit you're saying. 202 00:07:53,555 --> 00:07:55,475 Now, I want to talk about the missions, 203 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:58,115 because despite sort of rising tensions amongst the group, 204 00:07:58,115 --> 00:08:00,675 they seem to have worked really well as a team today. 205 00:08:00,675 --> 00:08:01,955 Yeah, I think... 206 00:08:01,955 --> 00:08:05,835 You need the missions obviously to win the prize fund, 207 00:08:05,835 --> 00:08:08,715 but I think as a team it brings you together 208 00:08:08,715 --> 00:08:11,875 and it does just calm your mind down, as well. 209 00:08:11,875 --> 00:08:13,155 Mm-hm. You can observe other people. 210 00:08:13,155 --> 00:08:15,875 It's a good excuse for the Traitors to get rid of people 211 00:08:15,875 --> 00:08:17,275 that aren't participating. 212 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:19,875 Yeah. You know, they can use that as an excuse as banishment 213 00:08:19,875 --> 00:08:22,515 to start sowing some seeds. 214 00:08:22,515 --> 00:08:24,795 But yeah, really, it's nice 215 00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:27,675 just to sort of calm down and be a team, 216 00:08:27,675 --> 00:08:29,395 but that's when the friendships, 217 00:08:29,395 --> 00:08:31,515 you could see them bonding more and more... Yeah. 218 00:08:31,515 --> 00:08:35,315 Totally. ..because they are totally relying on each other 219 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:38,515 to pull this, the mission, together. 220 00:08:38,515 --> 00:08:40,315 And that's when their friendships are going to form 221 00:08:40,315 --> 00:08:42,035 and that's when it's going to get harder. 222 00:08:42,035 --> 00:08:46,515 Can I say, I think, as a viewer, the missions are where the Traitors 223 00:08:46,515 --> 00:08:48,555 let things slip? 224 00:08:48,555 --> 00:08:51,395 Because I think Harry's facial expressions in some of 225 00:08:51,395 --> 00:08:54,035 these missions have given it away. 226 00:08:54,035 --> 00:08:56,595 When they didn't get the shield for Paul... 227 00:08:56,595 --> 00:09:00,035 Yeah. ..he was visibly gutted. He was gutted, yeah. Yes. 228 00:09:00,035 --> 00:09:03,395 If I was in a one-mile radius, I feel, of Harry at that point, 229 00:09:03,395 --> 00:09:05,195 I think I'd have been onto him. 230 00:09:05,195 --> 00:09:09,195 Well, and in this episode he was offered, wasn't he, a shield, 231 00:09:09,195 --> 00:09:11,515 I think once or twice? And he just said, 232 00:09:11,515 --> 00:09:13,995 "No, it's OK," because he knows he's not going to get murdered. 233 00:09:13,995 --> 00:09:16,755 Yeah. And they gave it to Ross instead. Yes, yes. So... 234 00:09:16,755 --> 00:09:19,355 But I also think that was tactical of him to try and seem 235 00:09:19,355 --> 00:09:20,635 like a real team player. 236 00:09:20,635 --> 00:09:23,595 Yes, yeah. And, like, well, that's what a Faithful would do. 237 00:09:23,595 --> 00:09:26,355 I mean, there's always kind of a way of spinning it. 238 00:09:26,355 --> 00:09:29,035 Yeah. Yeah. "Well, that's what a Faithful would do. I'm Faithful." 239 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:31,915 Yeah. I think tonight, though, the real star of the mission, 240 00:09:31,915 --> 00:09:33,515 for me, was Charlie. 241 00:09:33,515 --> 00:09:36,795 So, let's have another look at Charlie in the mission. 242 00:09:36,795 --> 00:09:39,515 This is for Bristol! 243 00:09:44,875 --> 00:09:48,035 CHEERING 244 00:09:53,395 --> 00:09:54,715 Get in! 245 00:09:54,715 --> 00:09:56,595 I'm so happy. 246 00:09:56,595 --> 00:09:58,115 Whoo! 247 00:09:58,115 --> 00:10:01,115 No matter what happens to me in this game, 248 00:10:01,115 --> 00:10:04,515 that was the proudest moment of my life. 249 00:10:04,515 --> 00:10:06,515 She's brilliant, and we've not heard a huge amount 250 00:10:06,515 --> 00:10:07,715 from her in the build-up... No. 251 00:10:07,715 --> 00:10:10,195 ..but now she's really announced herself into the game, I think. 252 00:10:10,195 --> 00:10:12,395 Screaming, "This is for Bristol," at the top of her voice 253 00:10:12,395 --> 00:10:13,915 as she launches a catapult. Yeah. 254 00:10:13,915 --> 00:10:16,555 It was that slo-mo through the field for me. Yeah. It was like... 255 00:10:16,555 --> 00:10:18,915 I just want to see that slowed down and sexed up. 256 00:10:18,915 --> 00:10:20,715 I think she's going to be a dark horse. 257 00:10:20,715 --> 00:10:23,395 I think she is. She's going to come from, as you said, 258 00:10:23,395 --> 00:10:24,875 she hasn't put herself out there, 259 00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:26,715 because I think being a Faithful as well, 260 00:10:26,715 --> 00:10:28,675 you can't, you shouldn't be too loud 261 00:10:28,675 --> 00:10:31,515 and voice opinions too early in the game. Yeah. 262 00:10:31,515 --> 00:10:33,915 Because... Because that'll knock you out. Yeah, going to get you out. 263 00:10:33,915 --> 00:10:35,075 It'll target you. 264 00:10:35,075 --> 00:10:37,355 So, you know, she's going to come from behind 265 00:10:37,355 --> 00:10:38,755 when the time is right, I think. 266 00:10:38,755 --> 00:10:39,875 Because there are people 267 00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:42,795 that we haven't really talked about on this show yet. Yeah. 268 00:10:42,795 --> 00:10:44,875 But really that's a compliment in terms of gameplay. 269 00:10:44,875 --> 00:10:47,275 For sure. Because those are the people that are just going to 270 00:10:47,275 --> 00:10:50,315 sort of just be under the surface of the water for a little bit longer 271 00:10:50,315 --> 00:10:53,355 and hold out until those crucial moments, so... Yeah. We'll see. 272 00:10:53,355 --> 00:10:56,275 Someone who didn't hold out until the crucial moment was Meg... 273 00:10:56,275 --> 00:10:59,595 Aw! ..who was unfortunately murdered. 274 00:10:59,595 --> 00:11:00,675 She had to be murdered. 275 00:11:00,675 --> 00:11:02,035 That was their only option, 276 00:11:02,035 --> 00:11:05,115 because it was obviously between Paul and Meg at the end, 277 00:11:05,115 --> 00:11:07,875 because they were the two remaining dungeon dwellers. 278 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:10,075 Yes. And so they had to kill Meg, 279 00:11:10,075 --> 00:11:12,035 but she already had a lot of suspicion on her 280 00:11:12,035 --> 00:11:13,155 as a potential Traitor, 281 00:11:13,155 --> 00:11:14,995 so I think she would have been banished. 282 00:11:14,995 --> 00:11:16,675 What do you think she was doing 283 00:11:16,675 --> 00:11:19,155 that had got all that suspicion onto her? 284 00:11:19,155 --> 00:11:21,195 I think it's what she wasn't doing. 285 00:11:21,195 --> 00:11:24,075 I think, I'm sure she's a really nice girl, 286 00:11:24,075 --> 00:11:26,555 and I actually can't wait to chat to her, 287 00:11:26,555 --> 00:11:28,115 you can be a really strong person 288 00:11:28,115 --> 00:11:31,155 and then you go into a room and there's five other people 289 00:11:31,155 --> 00:11:33,115 who are stronger characters than you, 290 00:11:33,115 --> 00:11:36,115 and it does something to people's, like, I don't know, 291 00:11:36,115 --> 00:11:38,075 psyche or whatever, and it changes. It does. 292 00:11:38,075 --> 00:11:40,955 And I think she just became within herself 293 00:11:40,955 --> 00:11:42,475 and that raised suspicion. 294 00:11:42,475 --> 00:11:46,395 And if you give an opinion, you have to back it up. 295 00:11:46,395 --> 00:11:49,755 Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, right at the start of tonight's episode, 296 00:11:49,755 --> 00:11:53,515 we got to see Ash reveal herself as a Traitor. 297 00:11:53,515 --> 00:11:56,315 Yeah. How would you assess her time as a Traitor? 298 00:11:56,315 --> 00:11:58,395 I think she was the weakest link. Mm. 299 00:11:58,395 --> 00:12:01,995 You know, did she deserve for the other Traitors 300 00:12:01,995 --> 00:12:04,275 to not stick by her so early? 301 00:12:04,275 --> 00:12:09,395 That's questionable, because I do believe we've got Team Faithfuls, 302 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:11,035 Team Traitors, and we should... 303 00:12:11,035 --> 00:12:13,475 I know it's called Traitors, but we should keep sort of 304 00:12:13,475 --> 00:12:16,675 a team alliance for a certain amount of time. 305 00:12:16,675 --> 00:12:19,075 But she was... 306 00:12:19,075 --> 00:12:21,355 Yeah, she was the weakest link, definitely. 307 00:12:21,355 --> 00:12:24,635 Yeah. She was just giving... Her body language, everything, 308 00:12:24,635 --> 00:12:26,635 she was just giving too much away. 309 00:12:26,635 --> 00:12:28,915 She was. And having met her now on this show, 310 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:31,475 she's just the most effusive, lovely person, 311 00:12:31,475 --> 00:12:32,795 very warm personality. 312 00:12:32,795 --> 00:12:36,675 But she really does give a lot away of her personality. Aw. 313 00:12:36,675 --> 00:12:39,035 I think she just immediately wants to talk to people. 314 00:12:39,035 --> 00:12:41,635 Yeah. And for some reason, that got a lot of suspicion onto her 315 00:12:41,635 --> 00:12:43,315 that she was going round asking people questions 316 00:12:43,315 --> 00:12:45,755 and trying to work out what the lay of the land was. 317 00:12:45,755 --> 00:12:48,235 Yeah. And that was the first port of call for her banishment. 318 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:50,635 Yeah, she was trying too much to see what people's thoughts were 319 00:12:50,635 --> 00:12:52,755 rather than just letting it run a little bit. 320 00:12:52,755 --> 00:12:55,075 Let it run and just guide it gently. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 321 00:12:55,075 --> 00:12:58,555 I also think the other Traitors stabbing her in the back 322 00:12:58,555 --> 00:13:01,315 this so, so, so early, 323 00:13:01,315 --> 00:13:04,235 it's opened the gates to say anything can happen. 324 00:13:04,235 --> 00:13:06,355 Does it feel more brutal, this series, do you think? 325 00:13:06,355 --> 00:13:08,355 Yeah. It feels so much more brutal. Yeah. 326 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:12,955 I think from the off-start, everybody's in it for themselves. 327 00:13:12,955 --> 00:13:16,355 Yeah. Everyone, you know? And that comes across. 328 00:13:16,355 --> 00:13:17,635 Yeah. Definitely. 329 00:13:17,635 --> 00:13:20,155 It's exciting, though, as a viewer, isn't it? Yeah, it is, yeah. 330 00:13:20,155 --> 00:13:22,075 That first night this launched, I was like, 331 00:13:22,075 --> 00:13:23,675 "I'm just going to watch the first one. 332 00:13:23,675 --> 00:13:25,875 "Oh, go on, we'll just put two on. Oh, it's midnight. 333 00:13:25,875 --> 00:13:28,595 Oh, go on, we'll just... It was, like, two in the morning, 334 00:13:28,595 --> 00:13:30,835 three in the morning, I was pacing up in the bedroom, 335 00:13:30,835 --> 00:13:33,075 like, needing to see the next fix of it. I know. 336 00:13:33,075 --> 00:13:34,355 It's fantastic. It's the best show. 337 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:36,235 I shouldn't say it, but it's the best show. 338 00:13:36,235 --> 00:13:38,195 Well, your video, if you were in The Traitors, 339 00:13:38,195 --> 00:13:40,195 would be you watching old episodes of The Traitors? Yeah. 340 00:13:40,195 --> 00:13:42,835 I mean, I wouldn't be sitting like this, let me tell you. 341 00:13:42,835 --> 00:13:44,115 It would be untucked! 342 00:13:45,995 --> 00:13:48,315 I think they would jump at the chance to have that. 343 00:13:48,315 --> 00:13:49,955 I think they should. I think they should. 344 00:13:49,955 --> 00:13:51,155 Yeah, they should. Yeah. 345 00:13:51,155 --> 00:13:53,355 Now we're going through this process today, 346 00:13:53,355 --> 00:13:55,355 I'm starting to think I'd be a crap Traitor, 347 00:13:55,355 --> 00:13:56,995 because I'm a bit like Ash. 348 00:13:56,995 --> 00:13:58,275 I like chatting to people. Yeah. 349 00:13:58,275 --> 00:14:00,675 I'm a bit too gobby and wear me heart on me sleeve. 350 00:14:00,675 --> 00:14:03,115 Oh, no, I think you'd be brilliant. What're you trying to say? 351 00:14:03,115 --> 00:14:04,395 I think you would, you know... 352 00:14:04,395 --> 00:14:06,915 Also, if any of them caught sight of you with your hood 353 00:14:06,915 --> 00:14:08,355 just pulled over your wig... Yeah. Yeah. 354 00:14:08,355 --> 00:14:09,955 ..it'd be pretty obvious, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. 355 00:14:09,955 --> 00:14:11,315 Is that Claudia? 356 00:14:11,315 --> 00:14:13,355 LAUGHTER 357 00:14:14,755 --> 00:14:17,155 So, now is the moment you've all been waiting for, 358 00:14:17,155 --> 00:14:20,195 our Faithful murdered Meg and banished Jonny 359 00:14:20,195 --> 00:14:23,035 finally find out who the Traitors actually are. 360 00:14:23,035 --> 00:14:24,195 Now, do bear in mind, 361 00:14:24,195 --> 00:14:27,115 this was filmed the day after Meg and Jonny left the game, 362 00:14:27,115 --> 00:14:29,955 so Meg doesn't even know whether Jonny is a Traitor or not. 363 00:14:29,955 --> 00:14:31,035 Let's have a look. 364 00:14:34,195 --> 00:14:35,555 Jonny, what the hell? 365 00:14:35,555 --> 00:14:37,835 I know! Oh, my gosh! Come here. 366 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:39,475 God! 367 00:14:39,475 --> 00:14:40,955 How you doing, babe? You all right? 368 00:14:43,755 --> 00:14:44,995 You got banished? 369 00:14:44,995 --> 00:14:46,875 I did. They banished me out! 370 00:14:46,875 --> 00:14:49,155 Your name didn't even get brought up when I was there. 371 00:14:49,155 --> 00:14:51,355 I know. Not once. I know. 372 00:14:51,355 --> 00:14:55,195 OK, Jonny, can you reveal if you're a Traitor or a Faithful? 373 00:14:56,675 --> 00:14:58,275 What do you think I am? 374 00:14:59,275 --> 00:15:00,635 I think you're a Faithful. 375 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:03,675 Well, guess what? 376 00:15:05,715 --> 00:15:08,035 I'm a Faithful. Yay! 377 00:15:08,035 --> 00:15:10,715 Of course I'm a Faithful. I did think you were, to be fair. 378 00:15:10,715 --> 00:15:13,155 Never would have guessed. Do you want to do the honours? Yes! 379 00:15:13,155 --> 00:15:15,755 There you go. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. 380 00:15:15,755 --> 00:15:17,955 Oh, my God. How close were we? How wrong were we? 381 00:15:21,115 --> 00:15:22,675 OK. Oh, my God. 382 00:15:24,915 --> 00:15:26,235 Oh, my God! 383 00:15:27,755 --> 00:15:29,315 First Traitor... 384 00:15:29,315 --> 00:15:30,675 ..is Harry. 385 00:15:33,115 --> 00:15:35,115 Agh! Oh, my God! 386 00:15:35,115 --> 00:15:36,835 Do you know what? I actually... Fair play. 387 00:15:36,835 --> 00:15:38,955 Oh, I said his name as a joke. Did you? 388 00:15:38,955 --> 00:15:41,355 I've had question marks over him, but I tried to ignore it. 389 00:15:41,355 --> 00:15:44,115 It was because we were both in the army, as well. 390 00:15:44,115 --> 00:15:47,035 And I thought, hmm. In the trials, the missions, 391 00:15:47,035 --> 00:15:49,075 he's been phenomenal. Yeah. 392 00:15:49,075 --> 00:15:50,635 What a team player. 393 00:15:50,635 --> 00:15:54,275 Well, you know, he's been given a task and he's doing it. 394 00:15:54,275 --> 00:15:57,435 But does that make you change who else it could be? 395 00:15:57,435 --> 00:15:59,675 No. No, I'm still like... I don't know now! 396 00:15:59,675 --> 00:16:01,515 I mean, who hasn't spoke to Harry? 397 00:16:01,515 --> 00:16:03,275 That would be the next thing. 398 00:16:03,275 --> 00:16:04,875 Like, Jaz? 399 00:16:04,875 --> 00:16:06,795 Mm, Jaz is quiet, isn't he? Yeah. 400 00:16:06,795 --> 00:16:08,195 Paul, I don't think, really, much. 401 00:16:08,195 --> 00:16:09,435 He admires Harry, but... 402 00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:10,795 Well, come on, tell me! 403 00:16:10,795 --> 00:16:12,795 LAUGHTER 404 00:16:14,235 --> 00:16:15,595 It's Miles. 405 00:16:15,595 --> 00:16:16,755 Miles! Miles! 406 00:16:16,755 --> 00:16:20,035 I knew it could be him, because I didn't want it to be! 407 00:16:20,035 --> 00:16:22,035 Miles! Oh, clever guy. 408 00:16:22,035 --> 00:16:24,715 Oh, my God! Nice. Wow. 409 00:16:24,715 --> 00:16:27,155 You can just imagine them all meeting up with their cloaks on. 410 00:16:27,155 --> 00:16:29,395 Yeah. Backstabbing, you know. JONNY MIMICS TRAITORS CACKLING 411 00:16:29,395 --> 00:16:32,115 Stirring that pot. But I think, cos maybe the people they are, 412 00:16:32,115 --> 00:16:34,115 they're probably hating it inside as well. 413 00:16:34,115 --> 00:16:35,755 Or unless they're just cold and callous people. 414 00:16:35,755 --> 00:16:37,515 Miles, like, sits back at the round table 415 00:16:37,515 --> 00:16:38,955 and doesn't really say anything, does he? 416 00:16:38,955 --> 00:16:41,595 There you go. I did notice that. And Harry is very much similar. 417 00:16:41,595 --> 00:16:43,275 They just go with the flow. They do. 418 00:16:43,275 --> 00:16:44,675 That's the way they're playing it. 419 00:16:44,675 --> 00:16:46,835 Harry and Miles both voted for Ash, 420 00:16:46,835 --> 00:16:49,235 so they threw a Traitor under the bus. Mm. 421 00:16:49,235 --> 00:16:50,715 Very clever. That is smart. 422 00:16:50,715 --> 00:16:52,355 And they let everyone else make the decision, 423 00:16:52,355 --> 00:16:54,395 which is even worse. Very smart. 424 00:16:54,395 --> 00:16:55,435 Go on. Oh, my God! 425 00:16:55,435 --> 00:16:57,555 Put us out of our misery. 426 00:16:57,555 --> 00:16:59,395 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 427 00:17:01,995 --> 00:17:03,635 You're joking! Paul. 428 00:17:06,115 --> 00:17:07,395 You're joking me! 429 00:17:07,395 --> 00:17:09,315 You're actually... LAUGHTER 430 00:17:09,315 --> 00:17:12,715 So, I had a feeling with Paul that he was using real emotions, 431 00:17:12,715 --> 00:17:15,235 do you know what I mean? Thinking about things... What an actor. 432 00:17:15,235 --> 00:17:17,435 What an actor. He was fantastic in the dungeon and all. 433 00:17:17,435 --> 00:17:19,235 I just thought he was a Faithful. 434 00:17:19,235 --> 00:17:21,475 Jesus Christ, so there was two Traitors down there 435 00:17:21,475 --> 00:17:23,235 and one upstairs. 436 00:17:23,235 --> 00:17:24,835 I mean, look, there they are in print. 437 00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,595 Oh, Harry, Miles and Paul. 438 00:17:28,595 --> 00:17:30,195 Well, they're a good Traitors team. 439 00:17:30,195 --> 00:17:32,475 They actually are. I actually... I can't mock that. 440 00:17:32,475 --> 00:17:33,835 CHEERING 441 00:17:33,835 --> 00:17:35,475 Yes, he knew it was Miles 442 00:17:35,475 --> 00:17:38,115 just seconds after reading it on a sheet of paper. 443 00:17:38,115 --> 00:17:39,875 Jonny joins us in the studio. 444 00:17:39,875 --> 00:17:42,355 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 445 00:17:43,915 --> 00:17:45,515 Jonny, welcome. 446 00:17:45,515 --> 00:17:46,955 So sad to see you go. 447 00:17:46,955 --> 00:17:48,835 Is it something that you were expecting? 448 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:51,755 In my heart, I could feel an energy shift. 449 00:17:51,755 --> 00:17:53,035 And I was thinking, 450 00:17:53,035 --> 00:17:55,795 "Have I said something wrong? Have I done something?" 451 00:17:55,795 --> 00:17:58,475 You could just kind of pick up on the atmosphere change, 452 00:17:58,475 --> 00:18:01,915 so I had a small feeling that something was going to kick off 453 00:18:01,915 --> 00:18:03,395 round that round table. 454 00:18:03,395 --> 00:18:05,515 But you don't know until you're sat there. 455 00:18:05,515 --> 00:18:09,235 So, it's yes and no, to answer that. 456 00:18:09,235 --> 00:18:11,035 I think from our perspective, 457 00:18:11,035 --> 00:18:13,075 it all turned against you so quickly. 458 00:18:13,075 --> 00:18:14,555 Yes. Like, the previous episode, 459 00:18:14,555 --> 00:18:16,955 I don't think anyone was even really looking at you 460 00:18:16,955 --> 00:18:19,595 and then suddenly someone pipes up with... 461 00:18:19,595 --> 00:18:22,475 I think the issue was you were too nice. 462 00:18:22,475 --> 00:18:25,195 Yeah, I have that problem in life. 463 00:18:25,195 --> 00:18:28,595 It doesn't always do you good, does it, when you're too nice? 464 00:18:28,595 --> 00:18:31,475 Ross and Jasmine were quite strong characters in there, 465 00:18:31,475 --> 00:18:33,235 and the minute I went for them, 466 00:18:33,235 --> 00:18:35,555 that's where I shot myself in the foot. No pun intended. 467 00:18:35,555 --> 00:18:37,355 Can I ask, now you've seen it back, 468 00:18:37,355 --> 00:18:39,835 is there, like, a bit of sour grapes? 469 00:18:39,835 --> 00:18:42,195 Not at all. Oh, I would be. Really? I think. 470 00:18:42,195 --> 00:18:45,115 Oh, I think... I take my hat off to you. Oh, yeah. 471 00:18:45,115 --> 00:18:47,275 Oh, I bantered the moment, don't get me wrong. 472 00:18:47,275 --> 00:18:48,635 You buggers! I'd be fuming! 473 00:18:48,635 --> 00:18:51,115 You seem to suggest... Oh, he is so nice. Yeah, he's lovely. 474 00:18:51,115 --> 00:18:53,755 You seemed to suggest, in that in that VT that we just saw, 475 00:18:53,755 --> 00:18:56,355 that you did have suspicions about all of the Traitors. 476 00:18:56,355 --> 00:18:58,195 I thought everyone was a Traitor. 477 00:18:58,195 --> 00:19:00,275 I feel like... Who's a Traitor here? Everyone. 478 00:19:00,275 --> 00:19:04,515 No, I just... I... Because you don't know who's on your team, 479 00:19:04,515 --> 00:19:06,075 and that's what people don't realise. 480 00:19:06,075 --> 00:19:08,115 It's like Team Faithful, Team Traitors. 481 00:19:08,115 --> 00:19:11,035 Team Faithful don't know who's on their team. Mm-hm. 482 00:19:11,035 --> 00:19:12,395 So you're looking at everyone. 483 00:19:12,395 --> 00:19:15,315 And the minute I went to go and talk to someone, I was like, 484 00:19:15,315 --> 00:19:17,475 "Oh, no, that could be a Traitor I'm talking to." Yeah. 485 00:19:17,475 --> 00:19:19,315 So I naturally felt reserved, 486 00:19:19,315 --> 00:19:22,235 but I didn't want to be, but I just didn't know who to trust, 487 00:19:22,235 --> 00:19:24,475 so it was like that... It's the paranoia, isn't it? 488 00:19:24,475 --> 00:19:26,275 Yes, massively. It does really get to you. 489 00:19:26,275 --> 00:19:27,795 You wouldn't know you were a Traitor. 490 00:19:27,795 --> 00:19:30,115 Yes, I know, but I was trying to feel it. OK? 491 00:19:30,115 --> 00:19:31,755 You were trying to feel the paranoia. 492 00:19:31,755 --> 00:19:34,555 That's how method you were. Yeah. 493 00:19:34,555 --> 00:19:36,155 In your mindset, you were a Faithful. 494 00:19:36,155 --> 00:19:38,795 I've never thought of it like that. How stupid am I that... 495 00:19:38,795 --> 00:19:41,115 Of course you don't know who's on your team. No. No. 496 00:19:41,115 --> 00:19:43,715 You said something very canny about Paul in that video, actually, 497 00:19:43,715 --> 00:19:46,635 that you felt like he was using real emotions 498 00:19:46,635 --> 00:19:48,995 and then putting them out in The Traitors... Yes. 499 00:19:48,995 --> 00:19:50,795 ..as if he was a Faithful. 500 00:19:50,795 --> 00:19:52,635 And I think there was that moment where 501 00:19:52,635 --> 00:19:54,115 he started to get a bit emotional. 502 00:19:54,115 --> 00:19:57,195 He started to cry about going home to see his family. Mm-hm. 503 00:19:57,195 --> 00:19:59,875 And I think that was a genuine emotion that he somehow managed... 504 00:19:59,875 --> 00:20:03,115 Yes. ..to manipulate into looking like he was a Faithful. 505 00:20:03,115 --> 00:20:05,475 So, you know, I was very... 506 00:20:05,475 --> 00:20:09,715 I related to Paul in the sense of, I've got two young children 507 00:20:09,715 --> 00:20:13,315 and your emotions are up there compared to normal. 508 00:20:13,315 --> 00:20:17,755 And, you know, you're tired, you're stressed, adrenaline's pumping. 509 00:20:17,755 --> 00:20:20,475 And if I was just to think about my children, 510 00:20:20,475 --> 00:20:22,915 I would have probably felt really emotional. 511 00:20:22,915 --> 00:20:25,795 Yeah. So I... Even if it was... 512 00:20:25,795 --> 00:20:28,395 I believe they were real emotions and I still do to this day, 513 00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:31,115 because all he had to do was think of his children and he would get 514 00:20:31,115 --> 00:20:33,635 upset because I knew that's what would happen if I did. Yeah. 515 00:20:33,635 --> 00:20:36,835 So I tried my hardest to put them back, 516 00:20:36,835 --> 00:20:39,955 and I think, when I saw Paul upset, 517 00:20:39,955 --> 00:20:43,115 irregardless, they were real emotions and I could feel it. 518 00:20:43,115 --> 00:20:46,755 And that's why it hit me hard as well, because he started talking 519 00:20:46,755 --> 00:20:49,235 about his children and straight away, woof! 520 00:20:49,235 --> 00:20:51,955 Yeah. I felt that as well, and that's why I was like, you know, 521 00:20:51,955 --> 00:20:54,475 I've had to comfort him. You mentioned your relationship 522 00:20:54,475 --> 00:20:56,915 with Harry, obviously, the Army link, the sort of... 523 00:20:56,915 --> 00:21:00,075 I mean, I think Harry described it as a brotherhood... Yes. 524 00:21:00,075 --> 00:21:02,035 ..on the show. Naturally. Yeah, naturally, 525 00:21:02,035 --> 00:21:04,595 which made him feel a little bit guilty 526 00:21:04,595 --> 00:21:08,675 about having to go against you, but he did do it quite quickly, anyway. 527 00:21:08,675 --> 00:21:10,515 Yeah, he did, didn't he? ED CHUCKLES 528 00:21:10,515 --> 00:21:12,235 When you think about it. 529 00:21:12,235 --> 00:21:16,355 Do you think, if the roles were reversed, if you were a Traitor, 530 00:21:16,355 --> 00:21:19,555 would you have been able to go against Harry in the same way? 531 00:21:19,555 --> 00:21:21,035 That's a tough question. 532 00:21:21,035 --> 00:21:25,195 So the reason why I'm so understanding with Harry now 533 00:21:25,195 --> 00:21:31,275 is because I was his age, his rank, and that's when I was still serving. 534 00:21:31,275 --> 00:21:35,195 If I was given a task, irregardless of how I felt, how we're trained 535 00:21:35,195 --> 00:21:37,515 in the army, you complete that mission. 536 00:21:37,515 --> 00:21:39,955 You've been given a mission. You complete that mission. 537 00:21:39,955 --> 00:21:42,435 But he had the squeeze on the shoulder, so he had to do a job. 538 00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:44,995 He had to do it, yeah. I mean, irregardless of the fact 539 00:21:44,995 --> 00:21:46,835 that he did vote for you at Banishment 540 00:21:46,835 --> 00:21:48,675 and he knew that's what he was aiming to do... 541 00:21:48,675 --> 00:21:50,835 Go on, stir the pot, babe. Go on, stir it! 542 00:21:50,835 --> 00:21:53,195 No, I'm saying I think his emotions were genuine 543 00:21:53,195 --> 00:21:55,275 and he did feel bad about it. Yeah, yes. 544 00:21:55,275 --> 00:21:57,955 And we've actually got a little VT of his reaction after 545 00:21:57,955 --> 00:22:00,755 you were banished. Aw! So let's have a little reminder of that. 546 00:22:00,755 --> 00:22:02,035 Oh, God! 547 00:22:03,115 --> 00:22:05,155 I'm, like, baffled. I'm completely baffled. 548 00:22:05,155 --> 00:22:06,515 Harry, Harry, he still loves you. 549 00:22:06,515 --> 00:22:07,755 Don't get upset. 550 00:22:09,035 --> 00:22:11,035 Oh, bless him. 551 00:22:11,035 --> 00:22:12,275 It's all good, Harry. 552 00:22:12,275 --> 00:22:14,435 You've got to go with the brethrens. 553 00:22:14,435 --> 00:22:15,955 OK? 554 00:22:15,955 --> 00:22:18,395 Honestly, please don't beat yourself up, please. 555 00:22:18,395 --> 00:22:19,915 It's so hard to see. 556 00:22:22,755 --> 00:22:25,755 How does watching that video of Harry make you feel? 557 00:22:25,755 --> 00:22:28,195 Because he clearly was cut up about it. 558 00:22:28,195 --> 00:22:31,515 Yeah, I can feel the emotions in there, because... 559 00:22:31,515 --> 00:22:34,355 I understand that feeling and I don't like seeing anyone upset, 560 00:22:34,355 --> 00:22:36,675 especially when I'm involved in it. 561 00:22:36,675 --> 00:22:38,475 It's hard to watch it back, to be honest. 562 00:22:38,475 --> 00:22:40,155 There's a part of me... 563 00:22:40,155 --> 00:22:41,995 Is he still on your Christmas list, though? 564 00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:44,395 100%. Oh, is he? Yeah. 565 00:22:44,395 --> 00:22:45,715 Wilf's not on mine. 566 00:22:45,715 --> 00:22:48,075 THEY LAUGH Only joking! 567 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:50,715 I'm sandwiched between Traitor icons here. 568 00:22:50,715 --> 00:22:54,395 I'm like the filling in a Traitors Oreo, and I'm loving it! 569 00:22:54,395 --> 00:22:57,035 Well, you may have noticed at home that we're all wearing very fancy 570 00:22:57,035 --> 00:22:58,475 earpieces in the studio. 571 00:22:58,475 --> 00:23:01,395 That is because we are about to speak to murdered Meg. 572 00:23:01,395 --> 00:23:03,515 She is Zooming in live from heaven. 573 00:23:03,515 --> 00:23:04,595 Hello, Meg. 574 00:23:04,595 --> 00:23:06,635 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Hello! 575 00:23:08,675 --> 00:23:10,475 Meg, you're not really in heaven, are you? 576 00:23:10,475 --> 00:23:12,115 You're on holiday because you thought, 577 00:23:12,115 --> 00:23:15,475 "Hey, I don't need to do Uncloaked. I'll go on me hols!" 578 00:23:16,795 --> 00:23:19,155 Who needs heaven anyway, when you've got the sea anyway? 579 00:23:19,155 --> 00:23:20,635 No-one needs it, do they? 580 00:23:20,635 --> 00:23:22,915 Thank you so much for joining us. 581 00:23:22,915 --> 00:23:26,475 Now, Meg, going back to the video of you finding out who the Traitors 582 00:23:26,475 --> 00:23:29,715 were, you seemed a little bit more surprised than Jonny was. 583 00:23:29,715 --> 00:23:30,995 at who the Traitors were. 584 00:23:30,995 --> 00:23:34,915 In fact, I think there was a big gasp for every single name. 585 00:23:34,915 --> 00:23:39,355 Yeah, to be fair, like, I just had no idea at all, to be honest, ever. 586 00:23:39,355 --> 00:23:40,555 I was always wrong. 587 00:23:40,555 --> 00:23:43,075 Everyone I said, I was like, "No, not that one." 588 00:23:43,075 --> 00:23:45,235 Or just, I'd have a new theory every day. 589 00:23:45,235 --> 00:23:47,955 Just, in the end, I just went with it, to be honest. 590 00:23:47,955 --> 00:23:50,115 Went with my gut, and that was that. 591 00:23:50,115 --> 00:23:52,995 Even when you were in the dungeon with two Traitors, 592 00:23:52,995 --> 00:23:55,515 so you're obviously in there with Andrew, who was a Faithful, 593 00:23:55,515 --> 00:23:57,715 and then Paul and Ash, who were both Traitors, 594 00:23:57,715 --> 00:23:59,395 you had all day in that dungeon with them, 595 00:23:59,395 --> 00:24:02,995 did you start to suss out anything about them while you were in there? 596 00:24:02,995 --> 00:24:04,395 Um, yeah. 597 00:24:04,395 --> 00:24:07,995 To be fair, you do kind of start to... When you're vulnerable, 598 00:24:07,995 --> 00:24:10,395 like, you're most vulnerable, they are as well in there. 599 00:24:10,395 --> 00:24:15,075 It was quite a quite a complicated day, that, but, yeah, 600 00:24:15,075 --> 00:24:16,875 it was just really unpleasant 601 00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:19,195 and we all were in it together at that point. 602 00:24:19,195 --> 00:24:22,315 But also, you know that they were kind of sussing you out as much 603 00:24:22,315 --> 00:24:25,235 as you were trying to suss them out. And under conditions like that, 604 00:24:25,235 --> 00:24:27,955 I just feel like none of it was accurate, to be honest, none of it. 605 00:24:27,955 --> 00:24:31,995 Now, suspicion was building against you, Meg. 606 00:24:31,995 --> 00:24:34,995 I think, you know, maybe your cards were numbered 607 00:24:34,995 --> 00:24:37,395 even before you got murdered. There was a lot of suspicion 608 00:24:37,395 --> 00:24:39,595 building up, especially as you were in the dungeon. 609 00:24:39,595 --> 00:24:42,875 They thought you might have been the Traitor who'd put herself in there. 610 00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:48,235 Now, Diane certainly had her laser-guided sights set on you. 611 00:24:48,235 --> 00:24:50,675 Let's have a little reminder of what Diane said. 612 00:24:50,675 --> 00:24:53,475 Hi, gorgeous. You OK? Yes, absolutely. 613 00:24:53,475 --> 00:24:55,675 So if I go tomorrow, which I will do tonight, 614 00:24:55,675 --> 00:24:57,555 these are your Traitors, OK? 615 00:24:57,555 --> 00:24:58,915 Oh, God, here we go. 616 00:24:58,915 --> 00:25:01,195 I know you don't want to know what I've got to say, but honestly, 617 00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:04,035 I think Ash, Meg and Anthony are Traitors. 618 00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:07,235 You think Meg? OK? I have thought for a few days. 619 00:25:07,235 --> 00:25:12,355 There we go. That is the place any Traitors player would be fearful of. 620 00:25:12,355 --> 00:25:14,795 But Meg and Anthony, she's... Again, Diane's had something 621 00:25:14,795 --> 00:25:17,115 against Anthony from the beginning of the whole game. 622 00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:19,995 But why do you think you had any suspicion building up against you, 623 00:25:19,995 --> 00:25:22,475 Meg, what was it? I mean, I'll be honest, 624 00:25:22,475 --> 00:25:24,915 I was quite quiet in there at multiple points. 625 00:25:24,915 --> 00:25:27,195 There were a lot bigger personalities than me, 626 00:25:27,195 --> 00:25:29,915 and at points, I just thought, "Actually, it's probably better 627 00:25:29,915 --> 00:25:31,675 "to just keep my gob shut than open it." 628 00:25:31,675 --> 00:25:35,235 But maybe in certain moments I should have talked more. 629 00:25:35,235 --> 00:25:38,875 But in general, I just never knew, because they were voting people 630 00:25:38,875 --> 00:25:40,515 that talked too much... Exactly. 631 00:25:40,515 --> 00:25:43,195 ..and they were weighing people up that didn't talk at all. 632 00:25:43,195 --> 00:25:47,035 So, you know, you never know how to be in there. 633 00:25:47,035 --> 00:25:49,475 It was always very complicated, 634 00:25:49,475 --> 00:25:52,515 and I just decided to just be on the back burner 635 00:25:52,515 --> 00:25:54,155 and watch it all happen, to be honest. 636 00:25:54,155 --> 00:25:55,675 Thank you both so much for coming on. 637 00:25:55,675 --> 00:25:58,035 You're absolutely amazing players. It's a delight to meet you 638 00:25:58,035 --> 00:25:59,835 and we're sorry to say goodbye to you so early. 639 00:25:59,835 --> 00:26:01,995 Big round of applause for Jonny and Megan. 640 00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:03,915 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 641 00:26:05,635 --> 00:26:09,195 OK, Danny and Amanda, I'm going to get some predictions from you now. 642 00:26:09,195 --> 00:26:10,435 You two, keep quiet, 643 00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:13,435 just in case you've got privileged information, OK? Zip it. 644 00:26:13,435 --> 00:26:17,355 Now, what do you think's going to happen in tomorrow night's show? 645 00:26:17,355 --> 00:26:18,795 We've obviously... 646 00:26:18,795 --> 00:26:21,195 There's three people who could potentially be murdered. 647 00:26:21,195 --> 00:26:22,675 Who did we think it was going to be? 648 00:26:22,675 --> 00:26:25,835 I think... Well, I think if they go for Charlotte, 649 00:26:25,835 --> 00:26:28,875 it's going to disrupt the whole sort of... That's the smart move. 650 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:31,795 Yeah, smart move, and there'll be no sort of links 651 00:26:31,795 --> 00:26:34,555 which is just going to get everyone talking then, and it's like 652 00:26:34,555 --> 00:26:36,635 a little firework going off in there, isn't it? 653 00:26:36,635 --> 00:26:39,515 Do you think they're going to get better at catching Traitors? 654 00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:42,435 They've obviously got one, but then they started to talk about, 655 00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:44,955 "We've got Ash. We can catch more Traitors now, 656 00:26:44,955 --> 00:26:47,715 "keep that momentum going." And then they banished Jonny. Yeah. 657 00:26:47,715 --> 00:26:51,155 I think they get ahead of themselves so no, I don't. 658 00:26:51,155 --> 00:26:54,235 You don't? No, I don't. I think we're going to see the Traitors 659 00:26:54,235 --> 00:26:55,835 get away with a little bit more. 660 00:26:55,835 --> 00:26:59,155 I think Harry might come under suspicion of it. 661 00:26:59,155 --> 00:27:01,035 Do you? Yeah, I do. 662 00:27:01,035 --> 00:27:04,355 Because although he's down now, I think the way he reacted, 663 00:27:04,355 --> 00:27:06,115 people are going to... 664 00:27:06,115 --> 00:27:09,515 There's a little, you know, seed been sown there 665 00:27:09,515 --> 00:27:11,555 and you watch it grow. Yeah. I honestly think... 666 00:27:11,555 --> 00:27:14,155 Do you think people are going to start saying that was guilt? 667 00:27:14,155 --> 00:27:18,395 Yeah, and I think if he does come up on that table, 668 00:27:18,395 --> 00:27:20,715 Paul is just going to throw him under the bus. Oh, 100%, yeah. 669 00:27:20,715 --> 00:27:21,995 He's not going to protect him. 670 00:27:21,995 --> 00:27:24,595 But that's the very, very... That's the really lovely thing 671 00:27:24,595 --> 00:27:27,435 about this show, is that when they find a Traitor, 672 00:27:27,435 --> 00:27:29,355 very exciting, you're rooting for them. 673 00:27:29,355 --> 00:27:32,835 And then when the Traitors get away with it, it's delicious, isn't it? 674 00:27:34,475 --> 00:27:36,075 Now, here's something very exciting. 675 00:27:36,075 --> 00:27:39,675 You've heard our guests' predictions, but do you agree? 676 00:27:39,675 --> 00:27:41,515 Well, now you can play along at home 677 00:27:41,515 --> 00:27:44,675 with our brand-new BBC Traitors Predictor game. 678 00:27:44,675 --> 00:27:48,195 You can find it at... 679 00:27:48,195 --> 00:27:52,595 ..and you can predict what's going to happen in the next episode. 680 00:27:52,595 --> 00:27:54,835 And of course, Episode 6 of the Traitors hits BBC One 681 00:27:54,835 --> 00:27:59,195 and iPlayer at 9pm on Friday, with apparently, I've just been told 682 00:27:59,195 --> 00:28:03,515 on my iPad... No, don't! ..a very tense cliffhanger ending. 683 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,475 Shock, horror! 684 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,515 Every episode's a cliffhanger ending! 685 00:28:08,515 --> 00:28:11,995 Can you cope, Danny? I can't cope, no! 686 00:28:11,995 --> 00:28:16,035 God! Danny, Amanda, Jonny and Meg, thank you so much for joining us. 687 00:28:16,035 --> 00:28:17,555 You've been absolutely amazing. 688 00:28:17,555 --> 00:28:20,275 But there's so much more that I want to keep talking to you about. 689 00:28:20,275 --> 00:28:22,555 So we keep going on BBC Sounds. 690 00:28:22,555 --> 00:28:24,835 We will have plenty more chat with these guys. 691 00:28:24,835 --> 00:28:26,715 But for now from Traitors Uncloaked, 692 00:28:26,715 --> 00:28:30,515 I'll see you after the next episode. I've been Ed Gamble. Stay faithful. 82621

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