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In Europe, 700,000 people die every year
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as a result of smoke. There are 8 million
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of cases worldwide. This line of
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direction decides how much we want to protect our young people.
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It took a long time to reach it.
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Please,
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vote for her. We now come to
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to the next vote on article 497
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Who agrees?
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All those opposed? All in favor.
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Hello. Hello. Could you inform the president that the health commissioner is
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here?
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The health commissioner is here.
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OK.
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The president asked you to wait.
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How long?
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John, it's a date
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confidential.
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Mr. Chairman. Mr. Dali.
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Hello,
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Constance. Hello, Clémence. Clémence Lukovitch. Clémence, sorry.
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Fabrice, nice to meet you. Your badge won't work, that's it
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? What if I get checked afterwards? No, we're not in the
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We don't know how to control it. Or just say, "Call José Bové!
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". It's a labyrinth here, you'll see. I'm leaving in a year,
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I haven't managed to find the underground yet. Because I hear there's a
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underground. Monsieur Mauvais
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will not represent? He does what he wants, I won't fill in. I'm fed up.
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Sorry, I shouldn't be telling you this. This week is all about
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Michel will brief you on our current projects. We'll be with Josée
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in Marseille. Art in Parliament,
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it's a tradition. On the screens it marks every
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the week, you can check out what we're up to.
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But don't worry, we don't understand everything either.
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What are the meetings that concern you?
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? Everything to do with the CAP. EFSA, CETA,
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BCAO, COPAC OGK.
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I hope you like acronyms. One to
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fourth or one to the fifth? Fifth.
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After three months, you get your bearings. Three months is the duration of my
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stage. Is that all it takes? With you,
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it's only three, but I have another internship on the third. You're on your own
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good. No, but I didn't mean to. Basically,
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I asked for another internship. I was turned down. After that, I didn't follow up at
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you. But the other one was good. But then, for back-to-school,
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what. So, really, we're on to plan B. Thank you for your time. Yes,
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that's it. I mean... No, it's not my plan B, I didn't mean.
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No, I was just kidding. No, don't worry. Anyway, we've got
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the habit that nobody can stand us here. You don't say. You speak English
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? Yes, yes, I'm fine. And I've been told
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you went to law school. So did we.
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That's all we do. For me, it's really good stuff.
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Justice is my whole life. Beware that justice is not law.
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What do you mean by that? Well, no, not really, not always. If that's what it is
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you expect, you're likely to be disappointed. Because here, we believe in the right.
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Let's just say the law helps you keep a cool head, you know.
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Clearly, this is their responsibility.
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So I have a personal request to make to you
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and concerns the whole group. You know, by the way, you took your shirt,
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you. Yes, I've already bathed. I see.
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? I was at 6 this morning, I didn't see you. No, but I was
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à 5.
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The European Commission's health commissioner is accused of compromising with the
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tobacco lobby. According to LAF, the European Anti-Fraud Office, John Daly
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was ready to use his influence to modify the future anti-smoking directive, for which he was responsible.
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in charge. You know me well from
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Daly, me. He's a conservative, but at least he doesn't pretend to be. On the
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cloned meat, he didn't fake it. That, at least, is idea against idea.
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It has the merit of being frank.
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Maybe he really did hit the till. No, but it's weird when
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even. It's been two and a half years since he bowed to his directive.
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Her father died of lung cancer, so it doesn't make sense.
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What's left on the program this afternoon? Just the stuff
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that we already know by heart. Come on, let's check the schedule. Mr Dowdy, are you ready
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to go to court to clear
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your name ? Mr Dowdy,
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please.
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I'm still not here for him. of the basis
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on which they reach their conclusions.
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The anti-fraud officer report is being kept secret,
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and President Barroso
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refused to let me read it.
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Here, please. Mr. Dali, is it
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true that you failed to mention some meetings with the tobacco lobby?
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I only met a legal consultant,
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but I... Mr. Dali, did you accept 60 million
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euros from Swedish matches to support your management?
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No. Never. No way.
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And I say that as a category. I have
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ever been offered money by anyone
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to alternate a question I'm responsible for.
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Whether directly or indirectly.
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You know how it is,
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you, Swedish Match
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?
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No.
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It's not technically possible to fire him for an undeclared appointment. There's
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has to be something else.
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Who's Swedish Match? A Swedish company that markets snus.
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It's chewing tobacco, banned throughout Europe,
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Sir François. And Dalistre himself was going to see this company to get some money for them.
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? Barasso said that the Olaf report contains a certain
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number of circumstantial facts. They have proof or
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don't they have proof? Yes, that's exactly what I asked.
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And? What can we read in this report?
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That's the top-secret item now. What are you talking about? They hurried
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to send it to Malta. And now it's an element of justice
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covered by the secrecy of the investigation. Oh yeah, you really have to be a vice-lard,
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there. Well, we've got to mobilize the troops and we've got to get
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a parliamentary inquiry. Yes. But Barozzo
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would never have dared to do this to a German-French commissioner. No,
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never, that's clear. Michel is waiting for us. Whereas with a Maltese, it's much easier.
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What exactly is the lot? It's the anti-fraud office.
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How does it work? They investigate corruption.
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It's a kind of FBI of Europe.
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Look at José. He's going door-to-door.
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He sounds like a salesman. He tells them to ask for a
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commission of inquiry into Dali. It's a scandal.
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Barroso has again surpassed himself in authoritarianism.
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Except he won't convince anyone.
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All the guys on the right are freaking out. They look at their pumps.
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At the same time, can you imagine the consequences for them, for their careers?
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If they stick their necks out for Dali and he's really guilty. And José
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? His career? They're crazy. What interests him,
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it's sideways.
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Here, he'll go left now. Watch it. Now it's the other way around. He rubs himself
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hands. Anyway, José, it's very good that one type of
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got fired. What's the big deal?
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? No, no, they don't say that. They're talking about soccer. About Laurent Blanc
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has renounced his principles. I can read lips.
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Is this for real? No, it's a joke.
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Just kidding.
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And, uh... And you, what did you study? What's the question?
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Oh, no. I'm an ergonomic engineer. You are?
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How did you get here? José took us to his
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luggage with Michel. We've known each other for 20 years.
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From the Conf, in fact. The Conf? The Confédération Paysanne.
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We're unionists, basically. This is bullshit. If you think
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you're going to get Barouzo on something like this, you're wrong, my boy.
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mate. But don't you see the time it's going to take?
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Oh yes, then? Stay focused on agricultural policy,
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how? That's where we need your help, José. Thank you, José,
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Daniel. I feel it myself. Thank you, Daniel. This is Clémence,
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our new trainee. Dany, our group co-chairman.
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Hello, Clémence. Inge!
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Inge! Come on, we'll sit you at the pain-in-the-ass table.
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Hello, Inge.
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Barroso can rest easy. There aren't many of us.
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It'll come to you. Little Clémence, tell her not to meddle
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tobacco smoking business. I don't care about tobacco.
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I like tobacco. I'm talking about democracy. Barroso doesn't respect
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not the rules. On that, we agree with you.
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Good evening.
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Welcome.
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The police humiliated her. They kept her in custody
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for 24 hours. They wouldn't let him sleep.
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Don't ask too many questions.
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We're not the police.
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We have always been
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two opposing sides. I don't understand why you support me. This is a
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question of principle,
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John. They
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treated like a criminal,
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trying to get me to confess some
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thing. And you really have nothing to confess? My father
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fell into a trap. What is it called?
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Gail Kimberly.
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She gave him a very small file of a Swedish match.
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Three pages asking about Smuss. But it was all banal information.
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A copy-paste of a web page. But... I
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realized that I had broken the law.
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I must have reported the appointment. Do not declare
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an appointment, it's a mistake, but... it doesn't justify
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not the dismissal. But then this girl,
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Kimberly, said she had a second date with him and he was going to summer us
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of Malta. And now they're accusing my father of asking to change his directive to
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in favor of Osmos. But this is a joke. There never was a second date.
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Take it easy.
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What was in the directive?
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How much do you know about
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tobacco control? Not much. When a person starts smoking before
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At the age of 15, there's a chance of never leaving and
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die of cancer. You can never stop a smoker from smoking.
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But we can prevent future generations from starting to smoke.
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His directive was historic. A real blow to the tobacco industry.
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With 75% health information on the pack, this means the death of marketing.
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For the tobacco industry,
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it's a loss of millions. But how many lives
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have been saved? The studies are clear.
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Growth in the world of advertising is not the same as identification.
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of the product as the lethal poison it is. In the long
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In the long term, our aim is to have a full pack.
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But it never reached
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that. He's left three messages for you at Shultz. It's not normal
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that we don't hear from the President of Parliament on this,
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no?
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Well, there he is, Daddy Shultz. Wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Have a look.
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Take a look.
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Now that's clear.
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Look at that.
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Well, I'll leave you to it.
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See you later.
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Yes.
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Ladies and
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Commission Chairman José Manuel Durao
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Barroso.
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They've got a long way to go yet. The PPE resumes
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the room in 5 minutes.
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Hi Martine.
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Hello. Tell me, did you get my messages? Oh, sorry, I didn't
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haven't had the time yet. Do we have a real problem?
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with this Dali story? Listen, José, I'm sorry, but I don't have
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not for a second, I'm expected. I'll call you as soon as
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can.
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Look, José, very clear rules have been set in place and Dali doesn't
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has not respected. Nothing is clear in this story. We'll do it now,
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let the Maltese justice system do its job. Transparency,
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that's the basics. I'm not asking for the moon either. But the minimum would be
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to set up a special commission of inquiry. I can't go along with you on that,
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José. I'll look biased. And I can't
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the president. You know that.
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Martine. The Commission is accountable to Parliament,
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period. That's the very principle of democracy. And Barroso, I'm
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Sorry, he has to respect the rule like everyone else.
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Who are you?
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sir?
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José Bové, Europe Écologie. Oh yes, it's you.
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Your populism is terrifying. What's more, it's for an MP.
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My what? My what? You have me very well
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heard. Which fuels populism,
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Mr. Chairman, it's your authoritarianism. And the opacity you maintain
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that give rise to the worst fantasies of the rotten lot among citizens.
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Thank you for your civics lesson.
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We can say that from
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from now on we're going to piss them off. But then
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really shit.
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This is Ivan Mikhalev. He's working with us in Malta today.
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An investigative reporter reminded us that the police regularly try to get at us.
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poacher. We have networks.
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And you make an excellent eco-room in Brussels.
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Hello. Coffee, please. Nothing for me, thanks.
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Look at the pizzeria behind me.
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See the fat boy? In red, next to him
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of the bar? It's Sylvain Zahmet, the boss.
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This is Dali's main accuser. It was his convoy
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when Dali was marching for the district a few
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years. And one of his good friends, the author of the affair.
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For the past two or three years, he has been selling his knots to the suites,
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Olivier. There's a large Swedish community
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on the island. Many of them work in
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casinos. And they want the snus. They're
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addicted to it. Here. You can keep that. So, he's selling the snus?
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He doesn't do much with it. And where does he buy it? That's about it. In Sweden.
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From the Swedish game. The guys who signed the complaints against Dali.
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Can you taste it? No. Put it between your gum and your lips.
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One day, more than a year earlier, Zamit had lunch with representatives
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of the Swedish match. And over lunch, he said
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that he knew Dali well and that he could influence him to change
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its anti-smoking directive to legalize Nus and open up the market
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European to them. Sorry, but your source is... The Swedish match.
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We have their corresponding email
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in Zamit.
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It's really good. Is it? Yeah.
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After the lunch, Swedish Match hired a Maltese lawyer.
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Gaëlle Kimballi. That's right. They paid her 5,000 euros
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to contact Dolly. It costs a lot to give her three pages.
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Ah,
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it rips. That's disgusting. That's horrible.
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Excuse us. It's really awful.
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What about the second date? It's supposed to happen there,
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in Zamit's restaurant. But Dali denounces him. And you know what
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is proof that the police have
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? In theory, not much. Except for Zamit and Kimberly's accusations.
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So it's word against word. Yeah, except in this case it's two against one.
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one. You know what the scandal-mongers call John Dali here?
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? Johnny Cash.
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Yes, there's something else. While Olaf
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investigated the complaint, Dali took a trip to Brittany
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to the Bahamas. By private jet.
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Do you think Dali is guilty? It's too early
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to say it. You don't think it's a trapdoor, do you? Anything's possible.
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We're still investigating.
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Frankly, with his political experience, I have a hard time seeing Dali
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teaming up with the local pizza maker to make 60 million.
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I'm sorry, but this story about returning to the Bahamas, I find it highly suspicious.
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Even if Dali was guilty, that's not the problem. The problem is Barroso.
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He must respect the rule of law, period.
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I type like a cop. Clémence, you don't want to stick around,
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google me on this match
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? Googling? Here you go
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the one I check, we go down
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on the boards of directors afterwards, we look at how many there are, take the
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names and then we check all the CVs and cross-check. We'll scrape
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in there. I don't know what had gotten into Sarkozy, but he had mobilized every
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the local police. And when I say all, I mean all. And as I
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knew them all, they were embarrassed because it was disproportionate. Right,
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no, he brought in a helicopter too, which landed in the middle of the set,
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in the middle of my sheep, it made an endless mess. So there
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had a helicopter, ten vans, two hundred policemen. I don't know, they thought I was
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Jacques Mérine or something. They'd broken all the windows too.
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And it was Gislaine who wasn't happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And all this was for the dismantling of McDonald's, wasn't it? No, it was a
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whipping. So I'd already done part of the punishment, and then it was part of the
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worth it. So it was completely stupid because I was going to go back anyway.
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And that time, I got 18 months. 18 months? Even to tell the truth,
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I only did 3 months.
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At first, I was just showing off. I'd made friends in prison,
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everything was fine. And then, little by little, you realize that it's actually happening.
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to break you in half. In the end, they won,
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because I don't feel like going anymore.
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Good evening. Good evening. There you are. Gail Kimberley,
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the woman who met Dali, worked in the commission's legal department until
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last year. It was there that she met Gabriel Sohn, who also, before
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working at the Solis Match, worked on the commission as project manager.
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Yeah. Revolving door.
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What does it mean? It's the principle of revolving hotel doors. You work
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within the institution, for the benefit of the general interest, you're being seduced by the
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lobbies... And in the end, you come out the other side. And that's it. That's how it goes.
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Are we allowed? Welcome to Brussels. No, there are structures
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who deal with conflicts of interest. Ethics committees. Ethics committees.
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Ah, well, isn't it? But there's no... Right, then,
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Samélie. Who is it? No, I'm still
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in the office. Of course.
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Yes, let's do that. Let's go crazy and take
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a drink. I'm sorry, no. Shall I join you?
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Well, folks, I'm sorry I have to leave you.
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I'm expected at a cocktail party in Parliament. I thought we weren't going to
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in cocktail parties, that it was rotten with lobbyists and all. No, this isn't about
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the job. It's personal.
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I don't like hard work, but working with José is so tiring.
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For small results, it's very frustrating. And now he has a new obsession with
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Dali. At least someone cares. That's nice.
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No, that's not right. He's playing Donkey Short
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again, but it's not going anywhere
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part. Nobody is interested in Dali.
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He looks so guilty. You're getting
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cynical. I thought you were pretending to be sarcastic, but that you had
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hopes and values.
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And now, when I look at you, I realize that you're not just
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playing the loser, you really are losing.
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Is that why you dumped me? I didn't dump you,
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Fabrice. I waited
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for you to make a move, but you never did.
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But to me, I thought it was just a case
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for you. I've never had that with
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someone before. What we had was... I know
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what we had. Why do you think
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that Dali is guilty? I don't know.
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I met the guy.
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And Malta, it smells, you know.
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When I met you,
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you had confidence.
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You must
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find your hatred, Fabrizio. Dali was called to be eliminated two days before
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Barroso receives Oliver's report.
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Hasn't Barroso read the report?
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How did you know? I thought my work was
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important, that I had an impact. But nobody really
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interested. Sometimes people talk in front of me like
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if I were transparent.
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There's one more thing. The general secretary knew all the ins and outs
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before receiving the report. He already knew everything.
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Even before the Swedish compliment.
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But who said so?
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What's up? Are you already yelling at each other? I just had
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information. I guess you were right.
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It may well be a set-up. The secretariat
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General was notified prior to the complaint to Lolaf.
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Tell me, do you think John Daly is the victim
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conspiracy? We don't know. The only thing we worry about,
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is how our institutions work. Yes, exactly.
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We have to move, we have to leave this situation where the Commission
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thinks it's above the law, and even above democracy. As a
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parliamentarians, we have the right and the responsibility to control.
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No, but then, Dalygate, maybe it's time to let Mr.
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John Daly quiet to look at the Swedish Match, eh?
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In fact, José's capital is his notoriety.
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media. Yeah.
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It flows
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the coconut tree, he puts the light on the thing, and then we wait for it
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taken. Do you think it can take? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
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doesn't come. Sometimes two days later. Sometimes three.
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years, sometimes never. It's very encouraging.
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I finish my internship in three weeks.
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What do we do with this? With this, you can try
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a parliamentary question. I believe I have
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found something.
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I took down a lot of resumes last night. So, there must be a committee
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who advises the Chairman in cases where members of the
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commission find a new job in the private sector. And the type
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at the head of the committee since 2009 is Michel Petit. He is a former
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commission, but today he chairs the committee as a private lawyer.
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ethics. Really? But guess what else?
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he does in the private sector.
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Loud rock? On Larzac? No.
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Lobbying for Philippe
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Maurice. Ah yes, monsieur confit d'intérêt in full confit d'intérêt.
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That's something for our CEO pals. What's CEO?
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It's an NGO. It tracks down conflicts of interest.
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Yes. Oh, she said that.
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Wow. But to who she said that
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?
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Really? And you have
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a source for
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this? I'm in. All right. Thank you. Bye, guys. I've made dinner reservations. I think we should wait.
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I just got off the phone with the guys from Malta Today. They are sending us new information on
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Gail Kimberley.
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Swedish Match
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organizes a snus training meeting. It smells new. Have you read the
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offended? Snus has been manufactured and used in Sweden for 300 years.
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We represent a product based on cultural tradition.
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We also represent a product based on quality.
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So, in Sweden, only 8% of men
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smoke, but 40% use snus. We have
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one of the most common types of cancer
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lowest mortality rate in the world
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to smoking. And this study shows that snus is 95% safe.
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99% less risky than cigarettes.
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Yes. Fabrice Portal, assistant to
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MEP José Bové. How addictive is snus?
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Is it easy to stop?
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The honest answer is that it's just as addictive as smoking.
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And believe me when I say, if I could stop using snus right now,
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I would. But impossible. No, all jokes aside,
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if you want to quit smoking, we honestly think that snus offers an
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excellent opportunity. And it's probably the best option available
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on the market. At least the Swedish market. So which brings
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us to the last page, if you will.
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Excuse me, sir. They said "
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manipulate". Now we need to know by whom. And what about you?
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answered what?
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make a formal request for an appointment.
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Then you press here and it records. So that's it.
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How long does it last? As long as the battery lasts,
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it works. I'm in. Can you make me this one? Okay. I'll just...
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put it there. That's it. That's it. It's not a
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a wise old man who is taught to play games. Here, lift it up.
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Hello, I'm José
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Bové, welcome. I think you know Fabrice
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and Clémence. Have a seat please, sit down.
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Thank you. Do you want to drink something?
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Some water would be lovely, thank you.
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Thank you for coming.
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Thank you for coming.
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First, I'd like to say...
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Normally, I've never met the tobaco lobby.
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So today, I'm meeting you not as a lobby, but to talk about
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of the Dali case. Is that OK? Yes. Okay?
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Thank you. And to avoid...
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How do we talk to each other? The misunderstandings, the grey areas?
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To avoid problems,
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I have informed all
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the world at this meeting. All MEPs,
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all 700... 705. Everyone knows you're here.
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And I also sent an e-mail to M.
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Barroso and Mr. Kessler, you know,
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Olaf. And finally,
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and to be very clear, I would like, with your permission,
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record this conversation. It's good for
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you?
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Yes.
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That's fine, thank you.
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Here we are.
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Look, we are
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a small Swedish company. Our costs are not the same
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same as those of the big tobogganists. Yes, but somehow
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you're a bit like Philippe Maurice. Well, not really. But there was a
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joint ventre in 2009 between you and Philippe Maurice, which
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means that Swedish Match and Philippe Maurice are a bit...
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It's the same everywhere today. The
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tobacco goes to Smoker products. They are the
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future, but we're still a small company. We sell matches and
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traditional snuff film. Yes. For me, the best,
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it's always the best.
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So you worked for the commission
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? Yes. And that's where you met Gail Kimberley.
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? Yes, we met in Brussels,
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but Gail is a good friend of my wife's. You're the one
481
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employed her, didn't you? Yes. And you
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believe?
483
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Take a look,
484
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I can tell you what happened. So, Gail called me.
485
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She was in a bit of a panic after this second appointment and
486
00:41:22,922 --> 00:41:26,183
she asked me to come to Malta. Once there, she
487
00:41:26,223 --> 00:41:30,164
said that Mr. Dali was ready to intervene, but that he was asking
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compensation. And then, all of a sudden, Sylvio Samet woke up.
489
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We were at his restaurant and he told us the same story,
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but in his own words. And he
491
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specified the amount. It's about 60 million. 60 million. To start with,
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like you, we thought it was a joke. You were
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00:41:47,265 --> 00:41:50,927
there too? Yes. This gentleman from the exam was
494
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very convincing. He spoke on behalf of
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Dali, calling him my boss. And he had a lot
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Find out more about our company and Snooze. And the legislative process.
497
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He told us that the money was to be transferred directly to Mr. Dali.
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You can see now that we had no reason not to.
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believe. And of course, we thought we had to report the story
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to the appropriate authorities.
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That's why you're here. It's to justify yourselves. We have
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More information about Kimberley
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All right.
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00:42:38,584 --> 00:42:42,947
We have access to new elements from Malta
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that have not yet appeared in the press.
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00:42:50,408 --> 00:42:51,569
Your friend Guillaume lied to you.
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She paid Zamit 3
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000 euros of the 5,000 you gave him.
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This is the
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transfer.
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What if she was the one who borrowed from Zamit?
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Look, she even sent an e-mail
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to him. And the idiot even forgot to remove the information from the access. Take a look. What do you think?
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Who's manipulating whom?
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Yes.
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I'm in. I know that Gaël
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lied. And that Mr. Dali was not at the second appointment.
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Excuse me.
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Talk to us.
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This is very important for Europe,
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this trial. Thank you all. Next press briefing,
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next week. Michel.
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Michel. Ah yes. Two fellow MPs
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wanted to use the opportunity to make a statement about
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next. Some colleagues have an ad
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to do about the Dali affair. We have in fact
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an income. Revelations that will bring
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scandal surrounding the Dali affair.
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Revelations directly from the
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Swedish match. In two
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words, we've just discovered that the second appointment, the one
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which incriminated Mr. John Daly, never actually took place.
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So there was no second appointment. Mr. John Daly did not have
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second appointment, because there was no second appointment.
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Ma'am? I've just received a text message.
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Please introduce yourself. Lauren Holmes,
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Europolitics. Okay, go ahead.
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Mr Paulson, an executive from the Swedish game, denounces it.
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All right.
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So... This is what
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Mr. Gabrielson, from the Swedish game, told us yesterday. How long have you
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known this?
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Since we
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spoke to the investigator Oulaf. They told me
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that Kimberley had corrected herself. And that she
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had the light on
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the second appointment. That maybe
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that there was
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no second appointment. So why not
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didn't you say something? Take a look. Olaf and the Maltese police made me
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very clear that this was detrimental to their investigation.
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It's a slap in the face for the commission chairman, but an accusation
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very serious against LAF. Because if there was no second meeting,
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00:47:23,078 --> 00:47:31,890
where are the charges against Mr. John Daly?
555
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It's the scoop of the day. Olaf, the European FBI, has reportedly made
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pressure to silence a witness at a pressure conference.
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We demand the immediate resignation of Mr. Kessler, Chief Executive Officer.
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of Olaf. It's unacceptable for an investigator to make
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such lies and remains in office.
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Ah, Mr. Kessler. How kind of you to
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the honor of your presence.
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Thank you very much.
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Welcome, Mr.
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Kessler.
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Take your
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basis. You are here before the Budgetary Control Committee to answer a few questions.
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our questions about the Dali affair. Yes, if I can, I'll be
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happy to answer any questions you may have. I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
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00:49:05,191 --> 00:49:09,213
So when did he start the assessment phase?
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in Ali's case? That I can tell you because we keep
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all records, let's be clear.
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It started on May 24, 2012, yes. Yes, exactly. And when did he finish
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? And it ended on May 25.
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That's quite short, don't you think? It's not short. It depends. Every case
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is different. There is not a rule. I wouldn't
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say it's short. But do you know how long the assessment phases
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usually are? No, I don't know. I cannot
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really tell. I don't know. It's 1.7 months.
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Congratulations. I didn't know that. How come you
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questioned Miss Kimberley herself?
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The case was serious enough for me to pay attention.
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00:49:59,194 --> 00:50:02,736
But according to official texts, your role is to
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guarantee impartiality
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a survey. There is no
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circumstances for you to intervene personally. But as a
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as Managing Director of Olaf, I am
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the person who signs the surveys.
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00:50:20,836 --> 00:50:25,017
It's not crazy to have
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requested.
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It is within the authority of the
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budget control to interview the Swedish match, Mr. Kessler.
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It is our mission to ensure the proper functioning of our institutions
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here. Maybe I am. But do you have much
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00:51:05,379 --> 00:51:08,460
any more questions for me? Oh, yes.
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00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:12,063
Enough. Why John Daly was called in to be bled before
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President Barroso received and read Olaf's report? I cannot
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answer these questions because I'm not
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not President Barroso, you know? You'll have to call him.
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Hundreds and hundreds
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00:51:49,956 --> 00:51:53,099
million euro winners. A man has been broken, and it's not
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00:51:53,139 --> 00:51:56,343
a political friend, because Mr. John Daly is not a frequent visitor.
602
00:51:56,363 --> 00:51:59,466
out of this affair. However, this person's dignity has been shattered.
603
00:52:15,035 --> 00:52:18,717
What's up? What's the big news? The Olaf report has leaked.
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00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:22,388
What's new? It appears tomorrow in Malta Today. But it's huge!
605
00:52:22,398 --> 00:52:24,619
Don't worry, it's completely empty. It is? What was
606
00:52:24,699 --> 00:52:27,881
was that there was nothing in it. Yes,
607
00:52:27,901 --> 00:52:31,582
totally empty, John. That's why they hid it. But now..,
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00:52:31,602 --> 00:52:35,184
everyone knows that Olaf was on a mission to make you
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00:52:35,244 --> 00:52:39,966
believe. That's what I told you. They killed me. They didn't
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00:52:40,006 --> 00:52:41,947
no scruples. Yes.
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Mr. Chairman, was John Daly's resignation really justified?
612
00:53:08,584 --> 00:53:12,388
? Look, Mr Dali didn't meet the criteria of the code of conduct.
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00:53:12,408 --> 00:53:16,010
of European Commissioners. He had to resign. But what criteria
614
00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:19,493
exactly? No, because... If it's about
615
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:22,915
undeclared appointments, your office and the General Secretary have
616
00:53:22,955 --> 00:53:28,319
undeclared meetings with tobacco manufacturers.
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00:53:28,359 --> 00:53:32,175
Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, are you going to reply
618
00:53:32,215 --> 00:53:35,597
to the summons by Parliament's Budgetary Control Committee? Please,
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Madam. Don't you think there are a certain number of questions that need to be answered?
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00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,621
in the wake of the recent revelations in Swedish Match? I congratulate
621
00:53:41,641 --> 00:53:44,623
the parliamentarians, and in particular Mr. Bouvier, for their discovery.
622
00:53:44,663 --> 00:53:48,405
Thanks to them, the romantic concerns that validated a lie had to resign.
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00:53:48,425 --> 00:53:52,207
As for the rest, Mr. Dali is still being analyzed by hand. Can you answer
624
00:53:52,228 --> 00:53:55,770
about double standards and undeclared appointments? Let the agent
625
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:58,992
do its job. Mr Barroso! He doesn't want to get away with it!
626
00:53:59,012 --> 00:54:14,391
like this?
627
00:54:14,401 --> 00:54:17,523
Just passing through. Sorry about that. Fabrice.
628
00:54:38,583 --> 00:54:43,004
Can I have the bouquets? The flowers are beautiful.
629
00:54:43,044 --> 00:54:46,065
If not, what are you going to do with them? If I don't, I'm going to smash them
630
00:54:46,085 --> 00:54:49,906
ground. Trample them down, alert the whole neighbourhood and wait.
631
00:54:49,926 --> 00:54:55,848
that the hotel keeper doesn't become anything. I don't deserve any.
632
00:54:55,868 --> 00:55:02,250
I was just pulled.
633
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:04,731
What? My trial period was...
634
00:55:06,996 --> 00:55:12,899
It's disgusting.
635
00:55:12,919 --> 00:55:13,820
They're beautiful.
636
00:55:40,502 --> 00:56:04,649
Goodbye. Until next time.
637
00:56:04,729 --> 00:56:08,170
We're counting. See you in Strasbourg.
638
00:56:13,637 --> 00:56:17,019
Papa Schulz buries the idea of a commission of inquiry.
639
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,020
No surprise there. Lola's report is out, he's out
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00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:25,703
happen.
641
00:56:25,763 --> 00:56:30,695
We did all this for nothing?
642
00:56:30,705 --> 00:56:34,027
No. Dalin will be able to defend himself.
643
00:56:34,667 --> 00:56:37,989
That's what's important. It's not
644
00:56:38,029 --> 00:56:41,577
not Dalin the most important thing is justice. Barozo and
645
00:56:41,617 --> 00:56:44,980
Kessler are not worried, whereas they should have a criminal procedure. You're a
646
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:49,583
a true leftist, you. Bah what
647
00:56:49,593 --> 00:56:54,366
? You want to crush your opponent, beat him to the punch.
648
00:56:54,386 --> 00:56:57,688
That's not democracy. It was a lie.
649
00:56:57,748 --> 00:57:01,491
They hid a lot of stuff, it could be a conspiracy. You're right,
650
00:57:01,571 --> 00:57:05,233
no? How do you identify the principals? Who shoots
651
00:57:05,253 --> 00:57:08,776
the strings? Who told Barozo? We'll have to keep looking.
652
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:22,926
We
653
00:57:23,006 --> 00:57:26,869
will never
654
00:57:26,889 --> 00:57:27,489
of proof. Hi, there.
655
00:57:38,054 --> 00:57:40,156
Wait, we're not going to say goodbye like that, we're going to say goodbye
656
00:57:40,176 --> 00:57:43,199
review it properly. You'll see him at your next course.
657
00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:52,989
What's it for? It's useless.
658
00:57:53,009 --> 00:57:57,074
Are you serious? You're not going to let him go like that
659
00:57:57,084 --> 00:57:59,876
? What's the matter with you? We lost a battle, but we didn't lose the
660
00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:00,357
war either.
661
00:58:04,292 --> 00:58:07,655
You shouldn't take things like that too personally. But it's personal if you
662
00:58:07,675 --> 00:58:10,958
believe. No ? Yes, I do. No, you don't. You have to choose
663
00:58:10,998 --> 00:58:13,540
his battles, that's all. If you take too many knocks, you're not there to fight.
664
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,802
fights though. That's the age excuse,
665
00:58:16,822 --> 00:58:20,906
this.
666
00:58:20,946 --> 00:58:24,569
You don't care about justice? Then dream
667
00:58:24,589 --> 00:58:26,690
of law, that's all you talk about, but it causes people like
668
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:28,712
that Barozo and the others always win in the end.
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00:58:44,326 --> 00:59:27,966
ST' 501 subtitles
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Do you? You know why he makes the same amendments every time?
671
00:59:31,018 --> 00:59:32,118
Excuse me, I'm really focused right now.
672
00:59:32,318 --> 00:59:40,062
I'm so sorry.
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00:59:40,082 --> 00:59:42,443
Isn't it easier if I write it myself? No, no, this is my
674
00:59:42,463 --> 00:59:45,805
work. Just stabilize them as soon as you find a duplicate.
675
00:59:45,885 --> 01:00:08,768
OK?
676
01:00:08,778 --> 01:00:19,603
It goes
677
01:00:19,613 --> 01:00:22,244
? Is that the same filter there? It's two days old,
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01:00:22,284 --> 01:00:25,566
at least that one. Why didn't you use a paper towel? Because there's
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01:00:25,586 --> 01:00:29,188
no more, either. Excuse me, but
680
01:00:29,208 --> 01:00:32,029
Anyway, I think we've all been very busy.
681
01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:35,711
That's the problem. We're working too hard. We're not prioritizing. We've got to pull ourselves together.
682
01:00:37,282 --> 01:00:40,344
I'm not putting the PQ back in Parliament like last time.
683
01:00:40,424 --> 01:00:42,426
Are there any left? That's right, there are 3 that make it to
684
01:00:42,466 --> 01:00:53,033
do the shopping tonight, and then it's fine.
685
01:00:53,073 --> 01:00:56,275
I've got a long lunch, so I won't be back this afternoon. You'll put everything
686
01:00:56,315 --> 01:00:58,537
on my desk before I left? It's done, I've put it all there.
687
01:01:10,118 --> 01:01:13,323
Thank you for your time. Have a nice weekend. Yeah, see you Monday.
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01:01:40,898 --> 01:01:44,919
Fabrice? I'll
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01:01:44,959 --> 01:01:49,150
bother?
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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,281
No. I can help you
691
01:01:54,291 --> 01:01:57,602
? I know you're going to think I'm crazy, but I think I'm just...
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01:01:57,642 --> 01:02:00,723
found something about tobacco.
693
01:02:00,783 --> 01:02:03,464
Well, I don't know yet. For now, it's just a hunch,
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01:02:03,504 --> 01:02:07,505
what. You know, I'm... I'm sorry. I'm sorry,
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01:02:07,525 --> 01:02:10,580
Clémence, but... You said it was over,
696
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,142
now. You know, we're the parliamentary assistant,
697
01:02:14,162 --> 01:02:16,444
us. I mean, we're not investigators.
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01:02:20,506 --> 01:02:24,748
Excuse me.
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01:02:24,788 --> 01:02:27,610
Enjoy your evening. Hi, Clément. Have a nice weekend.
700
01:02:38,359 --> 01:02:41,310
Hello, you have reached the José Bové mailbox.
701
01:02:41,330 --> 01:02:44,401
Leave a message and I'll call you back as soon as I can.
702
01:03:08,834 --> 01:03:12,235
So, strawberry, banana. I don't like
703
01:03:12,255 --> 01:03:14,315
banana. I don't like bananas.
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01:03:14,815 --> 01:03:18,116
You see when you love
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01:03:18,136 --> 01:03:20,536
not the banana? No. No, wait.
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01:03:21,096 --> 01:03:24,437
Hello, this is José. Hello, this is José.
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01:03:24,497 --> 01:03:27,638
Yes, I'll get it. I hope I'm not disturbing you. No,
708
01:03:27,658 --> 01:03:31,018
not at all. Not at all. Tell me, I didn't quite understand your e-mail.
709
01:03:31,038 --> 01:03:34,499
Why are you sending me this stuff from Washington? Just wait.
710
01:03:35,699 --> 01:03:39,240
Because that's where they filed the complaint against Philippe Maurice. It's normal, it's a
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01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:43,221
American company. You can sum it all up for me from
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01:03:43,261 --> 01:03:45,501
the beginning? Yeah. So basically, in 2000, Philippe Maurice got caught
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01:03:45,521 --> 01:03:48,382
hand in the cookie jar by Olaf, who was selling his own cigarettes on the
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01:03:48,402 --> 01:03:51,753
black market with Albanian mafias. Why shouldn't he?
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01:03:51,763 --> 01:03:55,444
Apparently, it's a big deal. As a result, Olaf and a dozen member countries
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01:03:55,464 --> 01:03:58,745
filed a complaint in the United States. Except that after lengthy negotiations,
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01:03:58,765 --> 01:04:03,386
Philippe Maurice has reached an agreement with the European Commission to avoid prosecution.
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01:04:03,426 --> 01:04:07,182
And that's where it gets interesting. In 2004, they passed a spell
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settlement with Philip Morris, which has committed to
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pay money to the commission and collaborate with OLAF.
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You bet, it's interesting. And you can send it to me, okay?
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01:04:18,268 --> 01:04:23,831
I just can't send it to you. That's the problem.
723
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I searched high and low, but couldn't get any more info.
724
01:04:27,233 --> 01:04:30,635
It looks very opaque.
725
01:04:30,655 --> 01:04:34,537
You're right, we have to pull the thread. Yeah, I guess so.
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01:04:34,577 --> 01:04:38,033
too. Does that mean you're coming to say hello next week?
727
01:04:38,043 --> 01:04:41,275
? Yeah. Well, hello José.
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01:04:41,655 --> 01:04:49,478
Hi Clémence.
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01:04:49,518 --> 01:04:53,280
It goes
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01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:57,242
? Come on.
731
01:04:57,342 --> 01:05:00,684
I have no idea what it is. A 2004 agreement on the market
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illegal.
733
01:05:13,381 --> 01:05:21,705
It's
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WHO. With the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, all
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NGOs are out there.
736
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Criminal organizations traffic in cigarettes.
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generating black market profits to finance criminal and terrorist activity. Around 600
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01:05:40,124 --> 01:05:44,266
million illegal cigarettes are sold every year. Manufacturers and sellers
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are losing money. Governments and taxes are robbed by 40-50%.
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million euros
741
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per year. Money that could be used for public services, to fund our schools...
742
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and help communities
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By joining our
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01:06:06,868 --> 01:06:10,509
forces, the legal industry, governments, law enforcement agencies and
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01:06:10,529 --> 01:06:15,211
civil society, we can eliminate illegal trafficking. Together, we can stop
746
01:06:15,231 --> 01:06:19,412
black market cigarettes. What a wonderful
747
01:06:19,432 --> 01:06:29,174
propaganda piece.
748
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,461
Big Tobacco has clearly succeeded in convincing Interpol and Olaf
749
01:06:37,501 --> 01:06:42,242
that industry is the victim of illicit trade.
750
01:06:42,282 --> 01:06:46,723
But make no mistake. He's not the victim.
751
01:06:46,743 --> 01:06:50,924
He's the main seller.
752
01:06:50,944 --> 01:06:54,765
Since 1989, millions of documents have proved that the industry
753
01:06:54,785 --> 01:06:58,406
of tobacco has voluntarily collaborated with criminal organizations.
754
01:06:59,414 --> 01:07:02,435
even to the point of organizing the market in its own interest.
755
01:07:02,455 --> 01:07:11,160
Thank you very much. Please
756
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,882
please tell us how you plan to combat the illegal market
757
01:07:14,982 --> 01:07:21,485
without
758
01:07:21,525 --> 01:07:24,987
of the industry. It's simply impossible. They've organized the market, and
759
01:07:25,007 --> 01:07:30,510
always will. We're looking for
760
01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:34,133
access to an agreement that
761
01:07:34,173 --> 01:07:38,437
will have been signed
762
01:07:38,497 --> 01:07:41,940
between the Commission and Philippe Maurice. In 2004. We'd like to be there too
763
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,963
We've been asking for it for years. What type of recourse have you taken?
764
01:07:45,973 --> 01:07:49,166
? We've tried just about everything. But for NGOs, it's been circulated,
765
01:07:49,186 --> 01:07:52,901
there's nothing to see. Tell your MP to go and see OLAF.
766
01:07:52,981 --> 01:07:56,283
Maybe he'll have better luck than we did. Do you have any idea
767
01:07:56,303 --> 01:07:59,024
what might have been inside? In detail, no, but in
768
01:07:59,064 --> 01:08:01,465
Since this agreement, they have been instrumentalizing OLAF.
769
01:08:01,485 --> 01:08:04,407
Which is? Oh,
770
01:08:04,447 --> 01:08:07,688
it's all a big joke. They want to train customs to spot
771
01:08:07,728 --> 01:08:11,130
counterfeiting, except that fake cigarettes account for only 15% of the market.
772
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:14,612
black market. The rest is up to them. It's their own products
773
01:08:14,672 --> 01:08:18,408
at low prices. In fact, they're looking to drive OLAF to
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01:08:18,468 --> 01:08:22,493
eliminate counterfeit competition and keep a grip on the illegal market.
775
01:08:22,694 --> 01:08:26,720
How do you think Philippe-Maurice managed to secure such a deal? Why did Philippe-Maurice
776
01:08:26,729 --> 01:08:30,085
? Ah, but it's not just Philippe-Maurice.
777
01:08:30,145 --> 01:08:33,837
others too. And who are the others? Big Tobacco,
778
01:08:33,877 --> 01:08:38,563
all. Japan Tobacco, British American Tobacco, Imperial Tobacco.
779
01:08:38,603 --> 01:08:41,524
After signing the first agreement with Philippe Maurice,
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01:08:41,604 --> 01:08:44,908
they turned up one by one, holding out their wrists to be put on
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01:08:44,928 --> 01:08:48,131
handcuffs. They swore they would stop the traffic
782
01:08:48,171 --> 01:08:51,575
illegal if they could sign in their turn
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01:08:51,615 --> 01:08:53,376
the same agreement with the Commission.
784
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,421
Here we are. Good morning, good morning. You'll have
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01:09:01,702 --> 01:09:06,987
learned something.
786
01:09:07,006 --> 01:09:10,950
Keep me informed. Listen, since their convictions, the most important figures
787
01:09:11,029 --> 01:09:14,433
in the tobacco industry have been collaborating actively with
788
01:09:14,453 --> 01:09:17,836
Olaf in the fight against trafficking. That's what the agreement is
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01:09:17,876 --> 01:09:22,399
about. Wonderful. So, let us read it. I cannot do that.
790
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:26,640
What exactly do you have to hide? Sorry, but it's not a matter
791
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,862
for public opinion. But we are not public opinion.
792
01:09:30,881 --> 01:09:35,384
We are the parliament, or what? Yes, but there is a confidentiality
793
01:09:35,444 --> 01:09:38,725
issue that is inherent with this type
794
01:09:38,785 --> 01:09:42,026
of agreement. Really. Why? It's a
795
01:09:42,066 --> 01:09:46,848
legal issue, José. Because this is private commercial
796
01:09:46,888 --> 01:09:50,578
data, José. "This must be
797
01:09:50,618 --> 01:09:53,921
kept secret because it may have a
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01:09:53,962 --> 01:09:58,265
very high price, even though we wanted to We
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01:09:58,285 --> 01:10:02,586
have no legal way of making it public.
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01:10:02,626 --> 01:10:07,708
I'm sure you regret it, of course. Yes, indeed. A lot.
801
01:10:07,728 --> 01:10:11,489
You're worth every penny, José. Legal financing is not
802
01:10:11,529 --> 01:10:15,170
corruption. It can also be seen as a kind of tax on
803
01:10:15,210 --> 01:10:17,991
tobacco for the benefit of institutions. Exactly.
804
01:10:18,351 --> 01:10:22,092
Yes, yes. Excuse me, but a secrecy agreement is not
805
01:10:22,152 --> 01:10:25,293
exactly a tax. No, and what it means, above all,
806
01:10:25,333 --> 01:10:28,595
is that tobacco's financial interests take precedence over the general interests of citizens.
807
01:10:28,615 --> 01:10:33,096
That's what it means. It's not normal that we don't have an object.
808
01:10:33,136 --> 01:10:42,940
Martine, it's true that we should when
809
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:43,580
even have access to it.
810
01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:59,056
We got them to measure. I'm going to get
811
01:10:59,096 --> 01:11:02,398
a one-hour slot in one of the commission's reading rooms.
812
01:11:02,418 --> 01:11:06,682
Serious? Yes. But only after signing a confidentiality agreement,
813
01:11:06,702 --> 01:11:09,163
I won't be allowed to divulge anything to the press,
814
01:11:09,304 --> 01:11:12,766
or tell anyone about it. So you won't have to ask me any more questions.
815
01:11:12,786 --> 01:11:16,209
Do you agree? I'm counting on you on this. You're talking out of your ass.
816
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:18,490
What comrade? Is this democracy or is this not democracy? I am when
817
01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:19,131
not even accepted.
818
01:11:21,593 --> 01:13:05,662
Don't you want to know what's in there?
819
01:13:05,672 --> 01:13:17,842
I'll let you read and sign the confidentiality agreement.
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01:13:17,862 --> 01:13:23,106
You'll have exactly 60 minutes of consultation time from...
821
01:13:23,146 --> 01:13:26,769
now.
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01:13:26,789 --> 01:13:27,210
Enjoy your reading.
823
01:15:14,123 --> 01:15:17,126
What's going on? He threw. Twelfth,
824
01:15:17,186 --> 01:16:16,299
APC 5.
825
01:16:16,309 --> 01:16:19,952
What's up? Let's finish with Michel. The commission was
826
01:16:19,972 --> 01:16:22,213
not easily? They weren't going to iron.
827
01:16:22,373 --> 01:16:25,876
What does it say? That it looks like a
828
01:16:25,896 --> 01:16:28,618
business between two companies.
829
01:16:28,718 --> 01:16:32,180
Maurice is committed to working with Olaf and has made payments to the commission.
830
01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:35,883
How many do they say? Only one document was censored.
831
01:16:36,043 --> 01:16:39,806
I found the tax in the budget. 1.2 billion over 12 years.
832
01:16:39,826 --> 01:16:46,003
That's just for Maurice. The others, you can multiply by 4.
833
01:16:46,013 --> 01:16:49,514
They are quietly paid the European Commission. Now we have the mobile.
834
01:16:49,554 --> 01:16:53,935
If you don't, we'll cut our funding.
835
01:16:53,995 --> 01:16:56,746
And did you see the name of the director of the regal department at the time?
836
01:16:56,756 --> 01:17:00,477
No. Guys, that was the first thing I looked at. You always
837
01:17:00,517 --> 01:17:03,538
watch
838
01:17:03,578 --> 01:17:05,218
who signs. I'll leave you to it, because Papa Schulz is coming and he's
839
01:17:05,278 --> 01:17:07,959
looks very angry. Very, very angry. I'll see you later.
840
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:11,860
What's up? Michel Petit.
841
01:17:13,141 --> 01:17:16,504
Martin, you realize the image you're giving of parliamentarians
842
01:17:16,514 --> 01:17:20,167
? Yes. You know you've been summoned.
843
01:17:20,207 --> 01:17:22,979
by the General Secretary?
844
01:17:22,989 --> 01:17:26,913
Yes. But you're aware that if there's anything
845
01:17:26,953 --> 01:17:40,108
you're going to be sued?
846
01:17:40,118 --> 01:17:43,602
Mr. Conflict of interest. Which firm does he work for?
847
01:17:43,622 --> 01:17:47,936
him already?
848
01:17:47,946 --> 01:17:52,711
Click for Chance.
849
01:17:52,731 --> 01:17:56,895
Small. Where is the AF report?
850
01:17:56,905 --> 01:17:59,278
? Here you are. Here you go.
851
01:18:07,529 --> 01:18:10,491
But we knew that Petit was a civil servant at the commission before working with
852
01:18:10,511 --> 01:18:13,783
Philippe Maurice. So it's only natural that he should have signed, isn't it?
853
01:18:13,793 --> 01:18:17,076
Yeah. It's less normal that he's still president of the ethics committee. Wait, there's
854
01:18:17,096 --> 01:18:20,458
is more, though? Yes, it is. It was renewed in December.
855
01:18:20,498 --> 01:18:24,081
What the hell is this place? It never stops. The problem isn't
856
01:18:24,101 --> 01:18:27,803
institutions. It's the people who make them. What you were saying
857
01:18:27,823 --> 01:18:30,855
José, on non-targeted payments, what does that mean?
858
01:18:30,865 --> 01:18:33,587
It's not affiliated with tobacco control. The commission can do what it likes
859
01:18:33,607 --> 01:18:36,149
wants in its budget. You don't want to lose them.
860
01:18:41,043 --> 01:18:44,265
Fuck, I've got it. Having missed it earlier, it rings a bell.
861
01:18:44,305 --> 01:18:47,267
Here, take a look at what this guy's saying. Frédéric Palson. Down there. Line and
862
01:18:47,287 --> 01:18:50,389
line. Palson, is that a Swedish Match boss? Yes, he is. Say what
863
01:18:50,409 --> 01:18:50,930
is written at the bottom here.
864
01:18:55,053 --> 01:18:58,275
Hold on. Clifford Shanks has informed the general secretariat of the
865
01:18:58,295 --> 01:19:01,467
commission... of the attempt at corruption?
866
01:19:01,477 --> 01:19:04,199
Yeah, except that's stupid. They did it several weeks before the complaint to
867
01:19:04,219 --> 01:19:07,921
Lolaf. And Clifford Shanks is Michel Petit. Since
868
01:19:07,961 --> 01:19:10,543
At the beginning, we know that they were informed beforehand. Now we know by whom.
869
01:19:21,971 --> 01:19:32,796
How'd it go? You kept my painting
870
01:19:32,806 --> 01:19:35,357
? We already know that it was Michel Petit who drafted and signed the
871
01:19:35,367 --> 01:19:40,859
2004. He is also Philippe Maurice's lawyer.
872
01:19:40,879 --> 01:19:44,641
and Swedish Match. And he surely knew
873
01:19:44,661 --> 01:19:48,643
Kimberley? Who works in her department
874
01:19:48,653 --> 01:19:49,523
? It's at the heart of the commission.
875
01:19:52,627 --> 01:19:55,828
He has a direct link with Barroso. Fucking hell,
876
01:19:55,848 --> 01:19:59,630
you're right. Small and the missing piece.
877
01:19:59,650 --> 01:20:02,852
The one that links all the others. Exactly. And if he has
878
01:20:02,872 --> 01:20:06,393
informed the general secretariat before OLAF,
879
01:20:06,473 --> 01:20:08,134
they were clearly able to direct the prosecution.
880
01:20:12,096 --> 01:20:15,197
But it's always the same. We need proof,
881
01:20:15,217 --> 01:20:17,578
no? Just one.
882
01:20:19,487 --> 01:20:22,648
that it was Michel Petit himself who informed the commission.
883
01:20:36,374 --> 01:20:39,686
Hello? Mr. Gabrielson ? Yes ?
884
01:20:39,696 --> 01:20:41,136
Hi, this is Mr. José Bové.
885
01:20:42,437 --> 01:20:45,858
I'm sorry.
886
01:20:45,939 --> 01:20:54,038
I can't talk to you. Can I call you back later, please ?
887
01:20:54,048 --> 01:20:58,031
Excuse me, I just have one question. Just one question. It's about your superior,
888
01:20:58,071 --> 01:21:07,358
Mr. Palson, and Michel Petit, your lawyer.
889
01:21:07,378 --> 01:21:09,119
I'm sorry, José, I can't.
890
01:21:43,903 --> 01:21:47,826
We would have tried it.
891
01:21:47,866 --> 01:21:49,027
Well, on that note...
892
01:21:49,367 --> 01:21:52,749
Crap,
893
01:21:52,849 --> 01:22:01,696
it is
894
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:12,630
where? It's him! It's him! He's come to leave you a message!
895
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:19,984
And how do you want
896
01:22:20,004 --> 01:22:21,696
that we find him there?
897
01:22:21,706 --> 01:22:25,958
Paris-Bonneuf?
898
01:22:25,968 --> 01:22:29,640
What about Utrecht or A12? Utrecht? What the hell would he have been doing in Utrecht?
899
01:22:29,650 --> 01:22:33,713
Look here. And here, in the second photo, it's huge.
900
01:22:33,733 --> 01:22:36,214
Some people do eat, don't they? But you have to
901
01:22:36,254 --> 01:22:52,825
believe! We mean business!
902
01:22:52,835 --> 01:22:53,098
It's good.
903
01:23:41,122 --> 01:23:44,934
I have a doubt. I have a doubt about him. He's the one!
904
01:23:44,944 --> 01:23:48,986
Is it him? Next! Where is it?
905
01:23:48,996 --> 01:23:52,298
? Second aisle!
906
01:23:52,308 --> 01:23:53,178
Here!
907
01:23:53,188 --> 01:23:56,730
Here! I believe that
908
01:23:56,750 --> 01:24:04,353
I can see it! He speaks in four minutes
909
01:24:04,363 --> 01:24:08,535
! It must have gone up.
910
01:24:08,555 --> 01:24:24,220
No, first class!
911
01:24:24,230 --> 01:24:27,571
Hello
912
01:24:27,631 --> 01:24:31,511
to you all. I wish you all
913
01:24:31,531 --> 01:24:31,751
evening.
914
01:25:15,074 --> 01:25:18,919
Mr. Paulson. Hello. Mr. José Bové.
915
01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:22,485
I know who you are, Mr. Bové. I've got nothing to say to you.
916
01:25:22,525 --> 01:25:27,231
Why should I? Do you have something to hide? Absolutely not.
917
01:25:27,271 --> 01:25:31,037
I just have one question for you. It'll only take a minute. Just leave me alone.
918
01:25:48,317 --> 01:25:51,358
It took you more than three months to lodge a complaint with OLAF about
919
01:25:51,378 --> 01:25:54,479
an attempt at bribery. Three months is a long time.
920
01:25:54,499 --> 01:25:57,761
What have you been doing all this time? Have you considered
921
01:25:57,781 --> 01:26:01,462
pay? Certainly not. So why wait so long
922
01:26:01,472 --> 01:26:05,014
?
923
01:26:05,024 --> 01:26:09,005
Was it you who asked your lawyer to go and warn the Secretary General?
924
01:26:09,045 --> 01:26:12,586
of the Commission before notifying OLAF? No. It was he himself who
925
01:26:12,607 --> 01:26:16,088
to find out how to proceed in a case like this.
926
01:26:19,032 --> 01:26:23,394
It's Michel Petit, your lawyer
927
01:26:23,404 --> 01:26:25,756
? Yes. That's not at all what he told us. He told us
928
01:26:25,776 --> 01:26:29,398
said he'd asked for you. This is ridiculous. Mr. Petit is our counsel.
929
01:26:29,458 --> 01:26:32,079
We listen to his recommendations. I think that's normal.
930
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:35,121
Yes, that's right. That makes sense.
931
01:26:38,183 --> 01:26:40,904
I won't tell you anymore. No. I'll leave you alone.
932
01:26:40,924 --> 01:26:42,605
Thank you, Mr. Paulson.
933
01:26:59,646 --> 01:27:03,328
The Minister of Justice listened with amazement to our revelation.
934
01:27:03,348 --> 01:27:07,431
This is a real scandal. It's a disgrace for Mr. Giovanni Kessler, the head
935
01:27:07,451 --> 01:27:10,893
of Olaf, which was personally involved in this
936
01:27:11,693 --> 01:27:15,656
investigation. But above all, for President Barroso, he should
937
01:27:15,676 --> 01:27:19,738
admit it. But can we speak of a genuine conspiracy instigated
938
01:27:19,758 --> 01:27:22,900
by the tobacco lobby? Well, you don't have to look in the
939
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,523
the lobby when the lobby is inside. Now we have a real game
940
01:27:26,543 --> 01:27:27,023
of Barroso.
941
01:27:30,009 --> 01:27:33,651
The argument that Mr. Petit contacted the General Secretary in
942
01:27:33,692 --> 01:27:36,773
as an official is inconceivably
943
01:27:36,793 --> 01:27:40,055
naive. What's more, it's difficult
944
01:27:40,075 --> 01:27:43,358
to argue that Mr Petit's activities in relation to his
945
01:27:43,398 --> 01:27:47,080
customers do not constitute a potential conflict of interest.
946
01:27:56,079 --> 01:28:00,004
This is a first in European history. José Manuel Barroso,
947
01:28:00,044 --> 01:28:03,988
summoned to appear in trial on corruption charges
948
01:28:04,028 --> 01:28:07,833
and collusion with the tobacco industry.
949
01:28:07,893 --> 01:28:11,437
He arrived as a simple witness in a case that smells of
950
01:28:11,477 --> 01:28:14,961
powder. In 2012, José Manuel Barroso,
951
01:28:15,001 --> 01:28:16,603
Limoges, without mercy,
952
01:28:18,033 --> 01:28:21,336
John Daly. A controversial decision,
953
01:28:21,376 --> 01:28:24,379
based on a confidential OLAF report,
954
01:28:24,419 --> 01:28:28,103
but since then, the evidence has unraveled. We say
955
01:28:28,123 --> 01:28:31,566
that there was a conspiracy in the tobacco industry to overturn the directive
956
01:28:31,606 --> 01:28:35,430
that Mr Daly was in the process of implementing, and Mr Barroso preferred to
957
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:38,753
liquidate Daly. Simply because he didn't have the courage
958
01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:41,977
to face up to the reality of the European Commission's tobacco lobby.
959
01:28:41,987 --> 01:28:56,296
...
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01:28:56,796 --> 01:29:10,606
...
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01:29:11,106 --> 01:29:24,915
...
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01:29:24,925 --> 01:29:30,807
In Europe, every year, 700,000 people
963
01:29:30,847 --> 01:29:34,408
die as a result of smoking. There are 8 million
964
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of cases worldwide. This direction decides how much we want to protect
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our youth. This went on for a long time until
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it is reached.
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Please vote for her. We are coming
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now to the next vote on article 497. Who agrees
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?
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Who is
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agree? If he disagrees? The proposal is accepted by a large majority.
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No more logos on packets,
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just photos and deterrent messages.
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