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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,920 'This is Dickens World in Kent - 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,760 'a vast tourist attraction 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,480 'built to take visitors inside the novels of Charles Dickens.' 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Hello. Good afternoon. How are you? 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,360 Good, thank you. Who are you? Pleased to meet you. Mr Micawber at your service, sir. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Are you Mr Micawber? Very good. And you are? 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,120 'Ello, sir. I'm Nancy. Are you Nancy? Aren't you dead? 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,080 That's our famous Great Expectations boat ride. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Great Expectations boat ride? Indeed. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,320 OK. Have you got the Artful Dodgems? Have you got that? 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Artful Dodgems? 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,120 May I come through? 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,800 You may, sir. Fantastic, thank you very much, just get in here. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,680 'But surely there's more to Dickens than this? 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,800 'More than just a logo attached to television costume dramas 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,240 'and West End shows about street urchins.' 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,840 It's so easy to label and package Charles Dickens, 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,600 to exhibit him as some sort of Victorian showman, 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:22,280 a one-off, a dazzling talent like Harry Houdini or Charlie Chaplin, 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,880 a superstar from the past. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,720 I want to show that the work of Charles Dickens 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,920 isn't just quality entertainment for a long-dead audience. 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Dickens's world of the imagination is as complex and as dark 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,360 and as sophisticated as any modern city, 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,000 and the characters he creates are as real 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,200 and as psychologically driven 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,720 as the inhabitants of any urban landscape today. 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,920 And that's why I believe that the true Dickensian world... 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,160 is our world. 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,520 'Dickens, the 19th-century novelist, speaks to us now. 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,920 'And I want to gauge his impact and relevance 34 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:15,880 'by talking not to literary critics and biographers but to his readers.' 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,400 'I'll meet those who Dickens makes laugh.' 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,760 "It was difficult to enjoy her society 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,720 "without becoming conscious of a smell of spirits." 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,360 So what he's basically saying is this woman stank of alcohol! 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,680 'The readers he stops in their tracks.' 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,280 The thing is, he has a very driving narrative. 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,000 He's got to get where he's going. But along the way something like that will just BOOM! 42 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,360 'And those who suggest that Dickensian characters are still living among us now.' 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Some of it's timeless, yeah. 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,160 And you see it all the time. Not me, obviously... 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,400 No, me, definitely! 46 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,160 'Before the bestsellers of Dan Brown and JK Rowling, 47 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,960 'before the literary fireworks of Ian McEwan and Martin Amis, 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,000 'there was the spectacularly popular 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,440 'and critically applauded writing of Charles Dickens. 50 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,440 'Dickens was the complete writer.' 51 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,760 He wrote 15 novels, he invented 989 brand-new characters, 52 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,040 he edited newspapers and magazines. 53 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,440 He wrote speeches, plays, short stories, pamphlets, letters. 54 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,080 Sometimes he did all these things simultaneously. 55 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Now, I haven't read all of these. I doubt many people have. 56 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:02,680 But I don't think we should be put off by the sheer volume of Dickens's output, or his reputation. 57 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,040 The great thing about him is that he had such a distinctive tone, 58 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,600 such a unique style that was recognisable 59 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,080 as he tackled the big issues - 60 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,560 crime, death, poverty, riches, guilt, fear. 61 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,320 And I think you can join him at any point. 62 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Each novel to me feels like a continuation of all the rest. 63 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Every character just one inhabitant in a virtual world created in his imagination. 64 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,600 So I think the best way to tackle Dickens is to choose your point... 65 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,840 and dive in! 66 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,880 "To resume the consideration of the curious question of refreshment..." 67 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,160 'Comedian Phill Jupitus didn't know any Dickens 68 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,160 'until he decided to perform a show at the Edinburgh Festival. 69 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,440 'There he would read out loud works he was seeing for the first time.' 70 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,800 "I turn my disconsolate eye on the refreshments that are to restore me. 71 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,200 "I find that I must either stuff into my delicate organisation 72 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,440 "a currant pin cushion which I know will swell 73 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,960 "into immeasurable dimensions when it's got there. 74 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 "Or I must extort from an iron-bound quarry with a fork, 75 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,400 "as if I were farming an inhospitable soil, 76 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,920 "some glutinous lumps of gristle and grease called pork pie." 77 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,320 I just found myself forgetting I was at a gig. And doing it live. 78 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,360 He'd give reign to the most inconsequential of thoughts. 79 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,000 He'd expand on ideas and they kind of build through the pieces. 80 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,960 You can almost sense his thought process as he writes. 81 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Can I just take one which is, um... Mugby Junction. 82 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,440 Now not many people know Mugby Junction. 83 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Mugby Junction's one of the latest... 84 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,760 It's not really a novel as such, is it? 85 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,200 No, it's just a story about a man who arrives at this train station, Mugby Junction, 86 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:06,160 which becomes a bit of a sort of allegory for where he's at in life. 87 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,600 "He spoke to himself. There was no-one else to speak to. 88 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,200 "Perhaps though, had there been anyone else to speak to, 89 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,520 "he would have preferred to speak to himself. 90 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,320 "Speaking to himself, he spoke to a man within five years of 50 either way, 91 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,160 "who had turned grey too soon, like a neglected fire. 92 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,360 "A man with many indications on him, of having been much alone." 93 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,800 Oooh! 94 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,280 And it's just... 95 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,120 You just stop, and it's just.... 96 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,400 What's the fire thing, "like a decaying..."? 97 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,400 It was, "A man turned grey too soon, like a neglected fire." 98 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,040 A neglected fire! 99 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,360 He has a driving narrative in the pieces. Got to get where he's going. 100 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Along the way, something like that will just...BOOM! 101 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Stops you in your tracks. The other thing I find is 102 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,200 it's not flashy. 103 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,880 We have this image of Dickens with big, long sentences, very florid, 104 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,480 and it's not like that at all. 105 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,560 A lot of it is very simple, 106 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,800 and suddenly there's a phrase there that just... 107 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,800 It's very difficult to go two pages without a phrase... Yes. 108 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Just giving you a little... Yeah. 109 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,160 I mean, emotionally, I felt... 110 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,120 cos when I read him, it was three years ago, I was 45... 111 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,920 I felt like an idiot for not having picked any up before. 112 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,960 Dickens was born in 1812. 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,160 By the time he was 30, 114 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,680 he was the most famous writer in the world. 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,840 By then, he'd made his name and his fortune 116 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,040 with the comic tale The Pickwick Papers, 117 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,680 and with Oliver Twist, 118 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,200 the rags to riches story of the orphan who asks for more. 119 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,160 He wrote his novels in monthly instalments, 120 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:48,320 keeping his massive audience hungry for each arresting plot development or extraordinary new character. 121 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 He delighted them with A Christmas Carol, 122 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,600 and in later novels such as Hard Times, 123 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,400 Little Dorrit and Bleak House, 124 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,440 he secured his reputation as a champion of social justice, 125 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,040 with his vivid and angry portraits of the condition of Britain. 126 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,840 But there's one novel that gives us the most tantalising insight 127 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,080 into the life of Dickens himself... 128 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,800 ..and that's David Copperfield, 129 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,920 the book he described as his favourite child. 130 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Dickens wrote, 131 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,640 "Of all my books, I like this the best." 132 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,520 David Copperfield is the most autobiographical of his novels - 133 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,200 it tells the story of a young boy going through a troubled childhood, 134 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,800 but on to become a successful writer. 135 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,160 Now I think the closeness of the subject 136 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,800 and the intimacy of the style 137 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,120 together shine a special light on the rest of his work. 138 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,760 'In the novel, David's childhood starts as a happy one. 139 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,160 'Though his father is dead, he's loved by his mother 140 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,120 'and cosseted by their maid, Peggotty. 141 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,880 'But we constantly see through the child's eyes 142 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,480 'as soon the world turns dark around him.' 143 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,320 I remember when I started reading David Copperfield for the very first time. 144 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,320 It was one of those books that, 145 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,920 as it says in the blurb, you cannot put down. 146 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,720 I was drawn into it and the reason was, 147 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,320 it has the most accurately sustained piece of writing 148 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,400 from the perspective of a child that I've ever come across. 149 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,200 Here's the start of Chapter Two, I Observe. 150 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,840 This is the very young David Copperfield 151 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,960 aged about what...two, three... 152 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,080 looking up at what's around him, trying to describe his surroundings, 153 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,480 his mother, and Peggotty, the family maid. 154 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,560 "The first objects", he says, "that assume a distinct presence before me 155 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,920 "as I look far back into the blank of my infancy, 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,400 "are my mother with her pretty hair and youthful shape, 157 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,680 "and Peggotty, with no shape at all 158 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,640 "And eyes so dark they seemed to darken 159 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,080 "the whole neighbourhood in her face." 160 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,400 That's that thing of children, 161 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,640 remembering things much larger than they were in reality. 162 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,480 "Eyes so dark 163 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,120 "that they seemed to darken the whole neighbourhood in her face, 164 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,480 "and cheeks and arms so hard and red 165 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,480 "that I wondered the birds didn't peck her in preference to apples." 166 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Again, everything is very simple at this stage. 167 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,240 Dickens the great wordsmith, the literary showman, 168 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,320 is actually putting everything back into his box of tricks, 169 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,880 and shutting that box tight. 170 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,960 So everything is in monosyllables. 171 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,080 "Cheeks and arms so hard and red." 172 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,760 And then that little image, 173 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,240 the bird pecking at her cheeks in preference to apples. 174 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,720 Of course, that's an image a child would understand. The bird pecking. 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,200 He wouldn't have anything more sophisticated 176 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,920 to compare Peggotty's cheeks to. 177 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:13,000 'But David's idyll shatters as his mother remarries 178 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,880 'to a cold and heartless man called Mr Murdstone. 179 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,320 'And now David can only see harshness wherever he gazes.' 180 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,880 "I could not look at her, 181 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,440 "I could not look at him. I knew quite well 182 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,040 "that he was looking at us both. 183 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,720 "And I turned to the window and looked out there at some shrubs 184 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,720 "that were drooping their heads in the cold." 185 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,240 The young Copperfield is the camera in this picture, 186 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,080 and everything we're perceiving, 187 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 we're reading about, is done, as it's perceived, through his eyes. 188 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,400 "And I turned to the window..." 189 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,480 and that thing of childhood where as you grow up, 190 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,760 if you receive bad news, 191 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,440 if there's been a sudden dramatic moment, 192 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,080 you instantly recall the first image you saw at the time, 193 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,240 an image that, no matter how insignificant it appears, 194 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,200 still burns there in your heart with significance. 195 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,480 This whole process in these first few chapters of David Copperfield 196 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,800 is not just a fascinating story from the perspective of the little boy 197 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,800 but actually quite a modern, experimental exercise in language. 198 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,560 He's not like a serious novelist, 199 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:32,240 who would very consciously set out to impress us 200 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,520 with the stylistic mastery he has 201 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,280 over a description of child psychology. 202 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Instead he wants to write himself out of the picture. 203 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,720 He doesn't want us to feel written at by an author. 204 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,880 Instead he wants us to be pulled in to the work, 205 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,360 and to watch it and observe it from the perspective of the little boy, 206 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,600 sitting low, on the floor, at the world around him. 207 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,120 'Dickens's lifelong sympathy with the way children think 208 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,080 'actually affected everything he wrote.' 209 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,320 The very first time I took my son to see a film at the cinema, 210 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,480 afterwards I asked him what he thought. 211 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,360 He said it was very good, just like a DVD you could only see once. 212 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,960 And it's that ability as a child to describe something 213 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,920 no way an adult would, that Dickens always carried around with him. 214 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,360 'Dickens wrote children's stories for adults. 215 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,840 'He stressed the power of the imagination, 216 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,080 'the power a child has in abundance, 217 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,360 'as a way of describing and reacting to 218 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,840 'the world he saw around us. 219 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,920 'Even as he matured as a writer, his novels read like fairy tales, 220 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 'of heroes growing up with wicked step-parents, running away, 221 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,440 'gaining vast fortunes, being lost and found.' 222 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,400 'In 1849 Dickens published the first instalment of David Copperfield. 223 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,680 'Like all his novels, it was released as a serial, 224 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:19,480 'issued in 19 monthly parts. 225 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,600 'Dickens was writing only weeks before his audience was reading him.' 226 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,800 'The original manuscript is housed 227 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,320 'in the National Art Library at London's Victoria and Albert Museum, 228 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,160 'and I looked to see if it betrayed any signs of the relentless pressure 229 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,960 'Dickens must have been under.' 230 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,600 Am I allowed to touch them? 231 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,760 Yes, please. Please do. Open it. 232 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,160 It starts off with part number three, 233 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,000 the first volume had the first two parts. 234 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,320 "Personal history and experience of David Copperfield. 235 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,880 "Chapter seven." 236 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,680 I'm seeing if I can read it. 237 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:03,040 "School began in earnest that day." 238 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,520 It is quite... This would go off to the printers? 239 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,640 This would go to the printers. They could decipher this? Yes! 240 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,560 But look at this, this is a mess, isn't it? 241 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,520 This is in fact, extremely, 242 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,880 really neat... 243 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,400 Really? ..And clear. 244 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,640 You can tell that because the compositors, 245 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,960 when they set from these manuscripts were extremely accurate. 246 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,240 So he's writing these novels almost live, in a way. 247 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,960 People are watching him write, in that he doesn't quite know... 248 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,880 He has a rough idea where he wants to go, 249 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,160 but doesn't quite know how it's going to end. 250 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,560 He seems to have been fairly disciplined. 251 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,840 He had a copy date of the 20th of each month. 252 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,240 And he was normally two, three weeks in advance. 253 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,000 Really? So he was relatively good at keeping up with... 254 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,040 The idea of being two weeks in advance of any writing deadline, 255 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,480 to me is completely alien, I have to say! 256 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,880 I don't want to read too much analysis into the handwriting 257 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:14,240 but I get the sense of a very, very restless, unsettled personality. 258 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,920 You know, having been a lifelong Dickens fan, to have this... 259 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,280 I am like a kid in a sweetie shop at the moment. 260 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,520 But a sweetie shop run by a guy who makes bloody good sweets. 261 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,760 'Dickens started his writing career first as a court reporter 262 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,360 'and then as a parliamentary sketch writer. 263 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,200 'He was trained to be fast, vivid and entertaining. 264 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:08,080 'So it's no surprise when he had his first piece of fiction published in 1833, when he was just 21, 265 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,560 'that it was in the form of a comic short story. 266 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,440 'And more, much more comedy, was to follow.' 267 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,080 As a kid I was two things - I was very bookish, you know, 268 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,440 I loved reading, and I was also into comedy, but I always regarded those two worlds as being quite separate. 269 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,800 Literature was serious, and for the funny stuff, 270 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,520 I spent all my money on comics and listening to great radio shows 271 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,520 like Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy. 272 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:48,000 And then I remember when I got hooked on Dickens, I picked up The Old Curiosity Shop, as you do, 273 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,080 and very early on, I came across this episode 274 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,880 where there's a great guy called Dick Swiveller 275 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,800 who has no money. And he's in a pub, and he's bought a meal. 276 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,040 And he says to the innkeeper he'll come round later that night 277 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,800 and pay for it, and writes something down in a book. 278 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,280 And his friend says to him, 279 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,480 "Are you just writing down a reminder to come back this evening?" 280 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,240 and Dick says, "Not exactly, Fred. 281 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,920 "I enter into this little book the names of the streets that I can't go down while the shops are open. 282 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,000 "This dinner today closes Long Acre. 283 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 "I bought a pair of boots in Great Queen Street last week 284 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,200 "and made that no thoroughfare too. 285 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,760 "There's only one avenue to the Strand left open now, 286 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,400 "and I shall have to stop up that tonight with a pair of gloves." 287 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,080 So what Dick Swiveller's doing is he's got a mental map of London 288 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,240 and he's just crossing out the streets he can't move down, 289 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,080 because he owes people money there. 290 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,360 And I was thinking, that's funny, but it reminds me of something, 291 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:49,120 it reminds me of a stand-up comedy routine or a sketch, 292 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:53,640 or that Charlie Chaplin scene where he's quite happily eating his own shoes 293 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,320 because he has no food left and no money to buy some. 294 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,840 And that for me was a great eye-opener about Dickens. 295 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,960 I think we're put off by this notion we have of Charles Dickens 296 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,560 as this great Victorian novelist, because it implies he's serious, 297 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,400 whereas in fact I think he's the finest comedian we've ever produced. 298 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,360 'By that I mean, much comedy today is still conditioned 299 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,880 'by the way Dickens wrote it in the 19th century, 300 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,200 'and comedy writers and performers today owe a huge debt to him. 301 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,680 'Other people who work in comedy think so too.' 302 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,680 There's this thing about Mrs Gamp. 303 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,400 Oh, Mrs Gamp who's the nurse in Martin Chuzzlewit. 304 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,320 This sentence where he goes, 305 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 "It was difficult to enjoy her society 306 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,400 "without becoming conscious of a smell of spirits." 307 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000 So what he's basically saying is "This woman stank of alcohol". 308 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,440 The way he puts it, "It was difficult to enjoy her company!" 309 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,640 But Mrs Gamp, again, is kind of like a character from Psychoville, 310 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,680 she's this small, squat woman. 311 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,760 What you can do is, you can put a bottle of spirits on the side. 312 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,920 She says, "I may take a drink. Or I may not. 313 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,400 "It just depends on how I'll be disposed." 314 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,880 She'll drink the whole lot is what will happen. 315 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:20,280 I'm devoted to Pickwick Papers. And Mr Jingle. 316 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,640 He's a complete conman. A real con. 317 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,520 And he speaks very fast so nobody else can get a word in. 318 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,880 Bang-bang-bang, like a machine gun. He's a very funny character. 319 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,480 It's desperately dark, as well. Like... 320 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,040 It's a man talking about how a woman's head was knocked off 321 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,720 by the top of an arch, in front of her children and then he's going, 322 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,880 "She couldn't even eat a sandwich. She didn't have a head any more." 323 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,360 " 'Heads, heads, take care of your heads', cried a loquacious stranger 324 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,920 "as they came out under the low archway, which in those days formed the entrance to the coach yard. 325 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,120 "Terrible place - dangerous work - other day - five children - mother - tall lady - 326 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,040 "eating sandwiches - forgot the arch - crash - knock - children looked round - 327 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,040 "mother's head off - sandwich in her hand - 328 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,960 "no mouth to put it in - head of a family off - 329 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,160 "shocking - shocking. Didn't keep a sharp look out enough, eh? Eh, sir? Eh?" 330 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,880 THEY LAUGH 331 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,600 That's Peston on about 17 espressos. 332 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,240 THEY LAUGH 333 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,800 Yes! That's spot on. 334 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,360 It's that sense of the rhythms of colloquialisms and the way people speak. 335 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:28,920 Because in reality, we don't finish our sentences and we all interrupt each other. 336 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,360 That's the performer in him. 337 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:35,320 There's a bit from Bleak House here with a little child roadsweeper. 338 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,120 "She says to me, she says, 'Are you the boy at the inquich?' 339 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:43,400 "I says 'Yes', she says to me, she says, 'You could show me all them places'. I says, 'Yes, I can', 340 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,960 "she says to me, 'Do it' and I done it, and she give me a sovereign and I hooked it. 341 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,880 "I hadn't much of the sovereign neither. I had to pay five bob down in old Tom Alone's 342 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,000 " 'fore they'd square it to give me change and then a young man thieved another fiver while I was asleep. 343 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,600 "Another boy thieved ninepence." 344 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,480 I'm half expecting you now to go "Am I bovvered?" 345 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,200 Exactly, yeah. 346 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,360 'Dickens's comedy still seems fresh, 347 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,120 'but it's the dark and serious nature of his themes 348 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:24,040 'that make his novels seem surprisingly modern. 349 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,880 'And there's no more dominant theme in those novels...than money.' 350 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,080 'In Dickens's world, heroes and villains are obsessed with money - 351 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,360 'how to get it, what to do with it, 352 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,320 'and above all, the terror of losing it. 353 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,560 'A huge fear of debt and poverty 354 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 'can be traced back to Dickens's own childhood. 355 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 'His father, John Dickens, was forever in debt, 356 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,160 'and at one point endured the public shame 357 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,840 'of being sent to debtors' prison.' 358 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,200 'Charles was taken out of school, and aged 12, was sent to work 359 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,600 'in a shoe polish warehouse to feed his family. 360 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080 'The experience haunted him for the rest of his life.' 361 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,600 'When he came to write David Copperfield, 362 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,480 'Dickens poured many of these feelings 363 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560 'into the serial debtor Mr Micawber.' 364 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Now, Mr Micawber is such a brilliant character. 365 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,000 I think we have this image of him from TV adaptations 366 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,840 of being just a sort of gregarious, fat, rather optimistic chap who, 367 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,720 even though he has no money, is always talking about his expectation 368 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,040 that something is just around the corner, 369 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,720 something is going to turn up. 370 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,160 It's so different when you read the book. 371 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,320 There, it's a much more sophisticated, painful read, 372 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,840 because Micawber can start off by being very affectionate 373 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,600 and outgoing and full of high spirits, 374 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,960 and there's a genuine affection between him and Copperfield. 375 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,000 But within seconds, as soon as the realisation comes upon him 376 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,640 of the debt that he carries, 377 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,400 Micawber is reduced to being an almost childlike, self-pitying 378 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,760 little creature, railing about how he's doomed for the debtors' prison. 379 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,080 He starts making knife-cutting gestures across his throat 380 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,400 and talks about what a tragic figure he is. 381 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,480 And then he can pull himself together 382 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,840 and start singing songs and dancing the hornpipe. 383 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,480 It's a very realistic and affectionate, 384 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,280 and yet frustrated look at the twisted poison 385 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,920 that can be injected into someone's personality 386 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,880 by this awareness of debt. 387 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,760 It's so hard to read, 388 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,400 you almost have to put your fingers across your eyes as you read it. 389 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,680 This looks like Julius Caesar. 390 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,120 That is Julius Caesar. That was the Leeds Playhouse. Right. 391 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,960 'For 63-year-old actor Ian Hurley, 392 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,760 'Dickens's portrait of Micawber has a special significance. 393 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,000 'When work dried up, Ian found himself in debt, 394 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600 'owing the bank £40,000.' 395 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,000 Mr Micawber, you can see that when he has these highs and lows 396 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,520 and when someone has a debt problem, it really doesn't go... 397 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280 It, it... You see how he's trying to escape from it. 398 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Well, here's the passage which describes that sense of being up and down 399 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,720 that goes through Mr Micawber. 400 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,000 "It was nothing at all unusual for Mr Micawber to sob violently 401 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,400 "at the beginning of one of these Saturday night conversations 402 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,400 "and sing about Jack's delight being his lovely Nan towards the end of it. 403 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560 "I've known him come home to supper with a flood of tears 404 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,560 "and a declaration that nothing was now left but a jail 405 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,880 "and go to bed making a calculation of the expense 406 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,680 "of putting bow windows on the house in case anything turned up, which was his favourite expression." 407 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,120 It will give you a high and a low and can make you cry. 408 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:21,280 You can even be driving along in your car and you think about this and you cry. But to.... 409 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,040 Why the high? Where does the high come from? 410 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Well, the high is the telling yourself that it's OK. 411 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,720 Because of the presence of the worry of debt you will take highs from it 412 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,600 to remove the... Let's say to remove the depression of it. 413 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,880 And I think this is where the highs come and the crying and the emotion. 414 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,520 And he does great flourishes. 415 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 He suddenly... When he's trying to enjoy himself 416 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240 he enjoys himself very, very noisily and energetically, 417 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,120 as if to show there's nothing wrong. 418 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,000 And that's very interesting. 419 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,840 To show there's nothing wrong, to show that it's OK. 420 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,560 "It's OK, yeah, fine, come and have another drink! It's fine." 421 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,160 And someone says to you, "You look a bit sad, you look a bit tense." 422 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,960 You say, "No, no, no, I'm fine, it's OK!" 423 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,080 And the other thing he does is sometimes pretend that he's paying stuff back, 424 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,440 but he'll know he's running up a debt 425 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,080 and with a great flourish he'll write an I-O-U. 426 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,120 I think that's wonderful. I think it's a wonderful idea. 427 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,240 I just wish I could write a few I-O-Us to the bank and say, 428 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,000 "Well, that's you paid!" 429 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,920 'Micawber is a brilliant creation on his own. 430 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,800 'But what Dickens also does is show how debt spreads like an infection, 431 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,680 'so that it extends its hold beyond Micawber 432 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320 'on to anybody who he befriends.' 433 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,920 Like David Copperfield's friend Tommy Traddles 434 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,520 who sells a number of objects to the pawn shop to raise some money for Micawber. 435 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,320 And then one day Traddles decides there's one thing he really wants back from that pawn shop, 436 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,120 a little decorative pot given to him by his girlfriend. 437 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,440 'As the pawnbroker will only sell it back to Traddles 438 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,600 'at an inflated price, he begs Peggotty to buy it back for him. 439 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,240 'Leaving Traddles himself waiting anxiously around the corner.' 440 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,200 'At first Peggotty leaves empty-handed, 441 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,640 'but then the broker calls her back.' 442 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,840 'And finally she returns, triumphant.' 443 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840 It's like a scene from a film, it's like a farce, 444 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,640 where money is reduced to something very small, very specific 445 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,080 and yet very, very meaningful. 446 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680 'When Dickens wrote David Copperfield 447 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,520 'his public image was of a restless but nonetheless contented family man.' 448 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,640 'He'd been married to Catherine Dickens for 13 years 449 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,720 'and with their brood of eight children it seemed like they had a happy home.' 450 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,560 'Privately, though, Dickens developed misgivings about Catherine's suitability as a wife 451 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,640 'and there were quiet strains within the marriage.' 452 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,240 'In David Copperfield we can sense Dickens's own ambivalence towards his marriage 453 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,520 'in his portrayal of David's relationship with his wife, Dora.' 454 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,080 'Impulsive and immature, David is at first blind to the fact 455 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,480 'that Dora is wrong for him.' 456 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,520 'But wiser friends and family can see trouble coming from the start.' 457 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,920 Here's a scene with David and his aunt Betsey Trotwood, 458 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,920 and the loudest sound in this whole passage is of Betsy Trotwood biting her lip. 459 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640 "So you fancy yourself in love, do you?" 460 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880 "Fancy, Aunt?" I exclaimed as red as I could be. 461 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,600 "I adore her with my whole soul." 462 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040 "Dora indeed!" returned my Aunt. 463 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760 "And you mean to say the little thing is very fascinating, I suppose?" 464 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,600 "My dear Aunt, no-one could form the least idea what she is." 465 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,320 "Ah! And not silly?" said my aunt. 466 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,960 "Silly, Aunt?" 467 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,520 "Not light-headed?" "Light-headed, Aunt?" 468 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,600 I could only repeat this daring speculation. 469 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280 "Well, well, I only ask. I don't depreciate her. 470 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,840 "Poor little couple. And so you think you were formed for one another 471 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760 "and are to go through a party-supper-table kind of life, 472 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640 "like two pretty pieces of confectionary? 473 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600 "Do you, Trot?" 474 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,920 It's a difficult, uncomfortable read 475 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,760 as you go through this plotline in the book. 476 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,200 It's a daring, sophisticated, brutal analysis 477 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,360 of two young people committing nuptial suicide. 478 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040 'It's almost as if Dickens was toying with the boundaries 479 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,000 'that separated his private life from public gaze. 480 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,320 'In 1859, he and Catherine had another child, a girl, 481 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,880 'and they called her...Dora.' 482 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,920 Meanwhile the fictional Dora was proving far, far too much 483 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200 for the novel to bear. 484 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,360 The love story was staining the rest of the novel 485 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520 with a mood of bitterness and guilt. 486 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,400 The marriage between Dora and David had to come to an end. 487 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,120 But in Victorian times it would have been improper for it to end 488 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400 with divorce or even separation. 489 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,080 So Dickens has Dora fall ill 490 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,000 and quite suddenly and quite conveniently die. 491 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,440 Now, his daughter was born a week before Dora is killed in the novel 492 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000 and at the time Dickens writes to his wife Catherine, 493 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960 "I'm uncertain of my movements, for after another splitting day 494 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200 "I still have Dora to kill. 495 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880 "I mean the Copperfield Dora!" 496 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,400 SEAGULLS CAW 497 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,560 'This is Broadstairs on the Kent coast.' 498 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000 'Dickens often brought his family here in the summer 499 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,480 'to escape from the crowds and heat of London.' 500 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520 'The year he was finishing David Copperfield 501 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,480 'they stayed at Fort House, since renamed Bleak House.' 502 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840 'It's occasionally open to the public 503 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,600 'but it's also home to Richard and Jackie Hilton. 504 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,160 'And they have a sometimes unorthodox take 505 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,440 'on the life of Charles Dickens.' 506 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080 We're just going into the Charles Dickens dining room... 507 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:42,120 Right. ..which is where he used to, um...from all reports, 508 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,240 have a seven or eight-course breakfast. 509 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880 That would finish me off, that would. 510 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880 I'd be in bed for an hour after. Yeah, me too. 511 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,480 And no doubt people come and ask you all sorts of questions. 512 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Well, they do, yeah, but I don't know that much. 513 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,440 Only that he was married with seven children. 514 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Nine. Sorry, nine children. 515 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040 THEY LAUGH 516 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,600 But he had quite a few women on the side. Oh, did he now? 517 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,880 Well, I know about one. You reckon there were all sorts going on? 518 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,760 Yeah, for sure. 519 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,440 So this would have been living quarters as well. Yeah. 520 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,000 I mean, did you know much about Dickens before the house? Nothing at all. 521 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,200 And how do you feel now, six years on? 522 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,080 Do you feel there's this other presence around? This life that you've.... 523 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Well, you can hear soldiers sometimes. 524 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Hear soldiers? You can hear soldiers, Cos this was called Fort House 525 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,320 and we did contact Most Haunted 526 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,760 cos I thought it would be good for people to know. 527 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,560 A Christmas Special! Yeah! 528 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,120 And this is at night? At night. But the voices are in the daytime. 529 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560 What voices? Where do these voices come from? 530 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,400 You hear a woman's voice, and she'll say, "Not again!" in a very posh voice. 531 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:13,880 Let's get out. Let's... This is extraordinary! I didn't know any of this. 532 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,760 Where are we going? In here? This is Charles Dickens's bedroom. Uh-huh? 533 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,440 Um... 534 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000 And I gather there's a cellar, someone was saying? 535 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,840 Yes, that's right. And what did Dickens use the cellar for, then? 536 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,720 I think mainly probably some of his staff slept in it. 537 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:36,000 But I think he also used it for contraband. 538 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,720 Contraband? Contraband, yeah. 539 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,760 When he died, 540 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,560 there were two 50-gallon drums - barrels, rather - of tobacco 541 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,200 and 2,000 bottles of brandy found in the cellar. 542 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Oh, that's completely coloured my view of him 543 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400 as being a respectable member of society! 544 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,560 Now, look at this. 545 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960 This is where Dickens wrote. 546 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,320 This is where he finished David Copperfield. 547 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880 His little airy nest, as he called it. 548 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920 And it's about the size of a nest, it is quite small. 549 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,800 I'm surprised how small it is. 550 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,720 It's almost like he forced himself to sit down and write. 551 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,680 It's the Victorian equivalent of a writer 552 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,080 switching off his mobile phone and disconnecting the internet 553 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,400 to avoid all distractions here. 554 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,360 But here is where this whole room 555 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,440 forces you to look out towards the sea. 556 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,960 In David Copperfield, he describes towards the end of the novel, 557 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,040 a gargantuan storm scene that kills several major characters in the novel. 558 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480 I won't reveal the names, that would spoil things. 559 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,000 And Dickens himself found these quite traumatic scenes, 560 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,560 not just in the storm, but as the novel reached its conclusion, 561 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,800 quite difficult to finish. 562 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,520 He says he was nearly "clean knocked over" by the writing of it. 563 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,600 At one point he says, "It defeated me." 564 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,560 In actual fact, those scenes were some of the most powerful scenes that Dickens had written to date. 565 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,760 And he did it here, at this desk. 566 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,200 Let's see if I can get some inspiration. 567 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,960 Maybe for my next link. 568 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,160 As I look out towards the sea, just drink it all in. 569 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,160 'Dickens's popularity rested not just on his characters and stories, 570 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,120 'but also on his satire.' 571 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,080 'His early works savage the Victorian governing classes' 572 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520 'appalling treatment of its dispossessed.' 573 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,640 'And as he wrote more and more, 574 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,520 'he poured derision on ever vaster sections of society.' 575 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,960 'As Dickens grew more successful, he was welcomed into the British establishment, 576 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,480 'and the closer he looked at that establishment,' 577 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,200 the surer he was that it was rotten to the core. 578 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,280 And that's why, in the later novels, 579 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,240 it's this world that he wants to show us up close. 580 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,040 Welcome to Dickensopolis. 581 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,480 'Today, Dickens's satire still stings. 582 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,800 'In the novel Little Dorrit, he caricatures 583 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,600 'the way the country is run by "the Circumlocution Office." ' 584 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,600 "The Circumlocution Office was the most important department under government. 585 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,400 "Its finger was in the largest public pie 586 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,120 "and in the smallest public tart. 587 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,840 "If another gunpowder plot had been discovered half an hour before the lighting of the match, 588 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,960 "nobody would have been justified in saving the parliament 589 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680 "until there had been half a score of boards, half a bushel of minutes, 590 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,840 "several sacks of official memoranda and a family vault full of 591 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,840 "ungrammatical correspondence on the part of the Circumlocution Office." 592 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,960 Dickens's description of bureaucracy run riot 593 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,800 really set the template 594 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,520 for any satirical take on government written ever since. 595 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,640 In this, we have the beginnings of Big Brother 596 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600 in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, 597 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120 Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes, Minister 598 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,560 and even the obstructiveness and obtuseness 599 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,480 that Harry Potter meets from the Ministry of Magic. 600 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,440 'One of Dickens's favourite targets was the law.' 601 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,000 'The novel Bleak House is set against the background 602 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040 'of a disputed inheritance and the infamous, long-running 603 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,560 'Chancery lawsuit of Jarndyce v Jarndyce.' 604 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,080 The case of Jarndyce and Jarndyce 605 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,680 is based on a long-running Chancery dispute 606 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,280 that I'm sure Tony Arlidge has at his fingertips and can tell us all about. 607 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080 I was in it. I appeared in it! 608 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,600 But that was an actual case which I think lasted 20-odd years. 609 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,120 'I met Judge John Lafferty, 610 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,440 'the first visually impaired judge on the bench, 611 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,560 'senior barrister Antony Arlidge QC 612 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,880 'and Ellis Sareen, also a barrister, to see 613 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,600 'how well they thought Dickens made his case, 614 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,400 'and whether there's still a case to answer.' 615 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,320 We also need to remember in all of this 616 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840 that he has got this fantastic vividness of phrase. He has. 617 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560 When the Lord Chancellor comes in, 618 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,680 all the barristers in their white wigs and black gowns get up and bow 619 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,320 like "so many pianoforte keys". 620 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,680 Even now, there are days in the Courts of Chancery where there are 621 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,920 quite a large number of barristers present at one time. 622 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:53,040 And in just one little phrase, he absolutely encapsulates that. 623 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,320 Do you feel that Dickens presents 624 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,760 a fair portrait of how the law operated at the time that he was writing? 625 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,280 He's out to pillory the way in which institutions can evolve 626 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,400 so that they're there to serve as much 627 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,720 the interests of their practitioners, 628 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,160 to the detriment of the vulnerable, the poor and the needy, 629 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,280 as they are to right the wrongs in society. 630 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,960 Central to it, actually, is something that remains a problem - 631 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,080 that very often, particularly with small civil claims, 632 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,600 the cost of the legal proceedings is bound to exceed 633 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640 the damages that are obtained. 634 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,480 Yes. In the time of Bleak House, 635 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,720 there were lawyers who prolonged litigation for their own advantage. 636 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,400 There have been ever since, and there always will be. 637 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,520 That's always going to be a problem. 638 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,720 One thing I do want to ask is, 639 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,840 when you read these accounts of the law, 640 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,200 do you feel implicated or part of that? 641 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,960 There's always a tendency... for example, politicians looking at The Thick Of It would tell me 642 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,320 "Oh, I know someone just like that." It's never themselves, 643 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,800 but it's always someone that they know. 644 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,320 I just wonder how you feel? 645 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,720 It's a fair cop, guv. You've got me bang to rights. 646 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,040 Some of it's timeless. Yeah... and you see it all the time. 647 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,480 Not me, obviously. 648 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:18,520 The great thing about it is that it is hugely entertaining. 649 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,920 That's right, the great thing about Dickens is his theatricality. 650 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,480 It's a series of vivid scenes. 651 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,800 And how about today? If Dickens were writing today, then, 652 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,840 what in the way the system works now, is there anything you think 653 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,760 he would immediately seize on? 654 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,880 Oh, I don't think he'd be short of material. 655 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,480 'It's not just in our institutions that we can sometimes spot 656 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,840 'the timelessness of Dickens's attacks.' 657 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,680 'The characters who dominate his institutions can seem familiar too. 658 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,440 'Today, we may have the likes of Mr Murdoch, but in Little Dorrit, 659 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,520 'Dickens gives us a Mr Merdle.' 660 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,200 "Mr Merdle was immensely rich; a man of prodigious enterprise; 661 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,840 "a Midas who turned all he touched to gold. 662 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,800 "He was in everything good, from banking to building. 663 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,200 "He was in Parliament, of course. He was in the City necessarily. 664 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,920 "The weightiest of men had said to projectors 665 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,600 "What name have you got? Have you got Merdle?" And the reply being in the negative 666 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,000 had said "Then I won't look at you." 667 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,480 The whole novel is a depiction partly of this figure. 668 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,520 One figure, Merdle, moving through society, 669 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,760 and first the politicians and then the media 670 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,040 and then the law all come to pay homage to him. 671 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,600 But he himself is a strange shadowy figure whose bank collapses, 672 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,080 whose money fritters away and who ends up killing himself in a bath. 673 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,560 It's a frightening and sadly familiar depiction 674 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,760 of the whole of British society 675 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,360 converging around one man who tries to control it, 676 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,920 and in the end...imploding. 677 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200 Now, surely something as horrific as that, 678 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,480 150 years ago, couldn't happen today. 679 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,920 I mean, we know so much more now, don't we? 680 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,680 'It wasn't just as a novelist 681 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,920 'that Dickens expressed his views on society. 682 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,800 'As a journalist, and then as a magazine editor, 683 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,440 'he had the chance to publish his observations on everything. 684 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,320 'And he fed his enormous appetite for the detail of life 685 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,760 'by taking long walks almost every day, 686 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,720 'regularly clocking up to 20 miles.' 687 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,240 'As he walked, he observed every little oddity - 688 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,760 'a weird play of light, 689 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,840 'or the strange bend of a nose on a passer-by.' 690 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,360 'And he was most inspired by the walks he took at night.' 691 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040 There's a fantastic essay that he wrote called "Night Walks" 692 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,160 in which he describes wandering over to an insane asylum, 693 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,160 Bethlehem Hospital, a house full of lunatics. 694 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,600 And he goes there because he has a particular fancy in his head. 695 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,720 "Are not the sane and the insane 696 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,560 "equal at night as the sane lie adreaming?" 697 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,480 "Are not all of us outside this hospital who dream more or less 698 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,640 "in the condition of those inside it every night of our lives?" 699 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,520 Basically, we're as mad as the people inside at night, 700 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,720 by what goes on inside our head in our dreams. 701 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:55,720 "Said an afflicted man to me 702 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,200 "when I was last in a hospital like this, 703 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,160 " 'Sir, I can frequently fly!' 704 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,520 "I was half-ashamed to reflect that so could I, by night. 705 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,880 "Said a woman to me on the same occasion, 706 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120 " 'Queen Victoria comes to dine with me, 707 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,320 " 'and Her Majesty and I dine off peaches and macaroni in our nightgowns.' 708 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,560 "Could I refrain from reddening with consciousness when I remembered 709 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,920 "the amazing royal parties I myself had given at night?" 710 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,080 That's what I love about Dickens, his ability to come up 711 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,320 with a conclusion or make an observation 712 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,960 you'd think would be bizarre, 713 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,120 but actually, when you hear it, seems perfectly natural. 714 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,520 That's why I think the night plays such a prominent role 715 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,160 in his writing, because it gives him this ability 716 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160 to take those two worlds, the everyday and the familiar 717 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120 and the unfamiliar, the dark and the mysterious, 718 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,840 and superimpose them on each other simultaneously, 719 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,600 so that throughout his writing, 720 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960 those two worlds are weaving in and out of each other, 721 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360 so at no one point do you know exactly where you stand. 722 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,000 'All sorts of human pathologies intrigued Dickens, 723 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040 'and David Copperfield includes an extraordinary character 724 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,440 'who suffers from delusions.' 725 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,320 'But instead of being shut up in an asylum, 726 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,120 'he's been taken in by David's Aunt Betsey. 727 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560 'He's the rather marvellous Mr Dick.' 728 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,520 'Mr Dick is one of the strangest, most peculiar characters 729 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,920 'I've ever encountered, 730 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,800 'not just in a Dickens novel, but in any novel. 731 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,760 'For most of his life, he's been writing a project' 732 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,400 which he calls The Memorial. 733 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560 We never quite get to the bottom of what The Memorial is. 734 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,720 It's this very nebulous historical document that he's trying to write, 735 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,960 but his work on a daily basis is interrupted by thoughts 736 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,400 in his head about the execution of King Charles I. 737 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,880 These thoughts torture and torment him, 738 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,760 and the only thing he can do to get this these thoughts of the execution of Charles I out of his head 739 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480 is to write them down on big pieces of paper, 740 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,680 to gather those bits of paper up and to fashion a paper kite out of them 741 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,040 and to go outside and fly the kite in the air. 742 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,200 Now, when I describe it like that, 743 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,480 you might think that sounds so deranged and bizarre 744 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,000 that it's unbelievable, and yet when you read David's account 745 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,960 of his relationship with Mr Dick, 746 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,560 it suddenly seems believable. 747 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,360 "I used to fancy as I sat by him of an evening on a green slope 748 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,360 "and saw him watch the kite high in the quiet air 749 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,720 "that it lifted his mind out of its confusion 750 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,400 "and bore it into the skies. 751 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,400 "As he wound the string in and it came lower and lower down 752 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,680 "out of the beautiful light till it fluttered to the ground 753 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,360 "and lay there like a dead thing, 754 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,440 "he seemed to wake gradually out a dream, 755 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,680 "and I remembered to have seen him take it up 756 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680 "and look about him in a lost way, 757 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,080 "as if they had both come down together, 758 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,160 "so that I pitied him with all my heart." 759 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,280 The truth is, we're not really looking at some grotesque eccentric, 760 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,880 exaggerated for our amusement. 761 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,880 With Mr Dick, we're watching a quite accurate 762 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,200 and heartrendingly real portrayal of someone with a mental illness. 763 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,400 In fact, some have commented with the benefit of hindsight 764 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960 that Dickens's own manic behaviour may have indicated 765 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,400 signs of an element of bipolarity in his personality. 766 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,480 Now, whatever the truth of that is, you can't help but feel 767 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,360 that Dickens himself saw the world in this unique way. 768 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,440 He even described, in a letter, his own imagination as an infirmity, 769 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,920 a tendency to fancy or perceive relations between things 770 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600 that are not apparent generally. 771 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160 Which is what Mr Dick does. 772 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040 I really do think it's no exaggeration to say 773 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,880 that Mr Dick is a heightened version of Mr Dickens. 774 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,080 'In 1850, as he finished David Copperfield, 775 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,600 'Dickens was still in control 776 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,400 'not only of his fanciful, but also his darker thoughts. 777 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680 'But this didn't last. 778 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,080 'Seven years later, 779 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,320 'what he had subconsciously expressed in the novel 780 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,080 'seeped into reality, and he left his wife. 781 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,000 'He then pursued a relationship 782 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,640 'he'd begun with a 19-year-old actress, Ellen Ternan.' 783 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,040 'Yet the pressure of keeping the liaison secret, 784 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,200 'together with growing panic that his talent would desert him, 785 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,680 'began to make him ill.' 786 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,080 'But Dickens refused to slow down. 787 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:31,160 'In 1867, he embarked on a series of public reading tours, 788 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,280 'determined to power on.' 789 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:45,960 This is Dickens's own annotated reading copy of the scene 790 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,480 in which Sykes kills Nancy in Oliver Twist. 791 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,840 And this was the highlight of Dickens's public readings. 792 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,760 It had people fainting in the aisles and running out. 793 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480 And you can see it's got his underlinings 794 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,080 and emphasis where he is signalling to himself 795 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,920 that he's going to pause and add dramatic action. 796 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,880 We've got here little marks in the side margin. "Beckon down", 797 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,240 "You won't be too violent", underlining, "murder coming". 798 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,760 That's a little note to himself now to shift up another gear. 799 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,280 We're in the home stretch of this bludgeoning. 800 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,920 And once we get up to the moment of the murder itself, 801 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,240 this is turning into quite a passionate, violent, 802 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,080 very physical performance here. 803 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,680 The annotations are now scarring the whole of the text here. 804 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,400 "Action!" "Mystery!" "Terror to the end." "Dashed out his brains!!" 805 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,320 Double exclamation mark at the end. 806 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,320 Dickens's public readings were quite sensational. 807 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,840 They were the hottest ticket in town. They were wildly popular. 808 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,240 People would queue up overnight. The place would be mobbed. 809 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,720 It was like Lady Gaga coming to town. 810 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:13,240 His tour of America was quite strenuous and energetic, 811 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,360 and really fatigued him. He was quite ill. 812 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,920 But Dickens couldn't help but throw himself into it, 813 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920 physically and mentally. 814 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,520 Many say that in particular, 815 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,760 it was his performance of the reading of the Sykes and Nancy scene 816 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,560 that in the end killed him. 817 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,640 'In June 1870, Dickens suffered a stroke, and died at home. 818 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:51,560 'He was 58, and he was halfway through writing a new novel. 819 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600 'It was a small, unremarkable ending 820 00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:00,200 'for a writer that had lived such a large, remarkable life. 821 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:05,120 'But then Dickens never was very comfortable with endings.' 822 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,560 'David Copperfield finishes with a whole host of characters, including Mr Micawber, 823 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,920 'sailing off to Australia to start a new life.' 824 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,000 'And they succeed. Micawber grows prosperous, 825 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,920 'while at home, David marries again and lives happily ever after.' 826 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,840 'But this ending doesn't feel so happy when we shut the book.' 827 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:47,240 For me, Dickens's endings are disappointing. 828 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,440 I know I'm going to be hauled over the coals 829 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,200 by militant Dickensian Taliban for saying that, 830 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,600 but I feel that Dickens hated finishing his novels 831 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,040 and his heart wasn't in it. 832 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,640 It's when his characters are restless and struggling 833 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,240 and energetic that they're at their most animated, 834 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,560 and it's when they become static that something goes out of them. 835 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,840 For Dickens, I think a happy ending is dull. 836 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,800 It's how people struggle to try and attain a happy ending 837 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,760 that's much, much more interesting. 838 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,960 'It's over 170 years since Dickens published his first novel, 839 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,560 'and readers still find his work surprisingly fresh.' 840 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,280 The thing about Dickens is, it stands up so well. 841 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200 A lot of the humour is entirely modern. 842 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,680 It is gripping. 843 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,120 He has great plots. He has the most incredible characterisation, 844 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,240 but always with a sort of psychological basis. 845 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,200 Whoever he writes about, even if it's a sort of loathsome character 846 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,920 they're human beings. He takes them warts and all. 847 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600 It's like that moment in a song when you go "Oh, yeah." 848 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,840 You hear a song and go, "Oh, that's how I feel." 849 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,680 I said at the start of this programme 850 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,000 that I thought each Dickens novel 851 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,200 feels like a continuation of the rest. 852 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,600 Each novel gives you a unique vision of the world 853 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,840 that's curiously like your own, 854 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,480 and yet strangely magnified and distorted, and as a result, 855 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,960 Dickens makes you read the characters around you completely afresh. 856 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,200 He forces you to gaze much more intently 857 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,760 at your physical surroundings and inside, 858 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,160 looking at the state of your own mental and emotional condition. 859 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,360 That's why Dickens's work is, for me, 860 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,080 still the greatest example in the English language 861 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,400 of a mind trying to engage comically and yet honestly 862 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,200 with what it means to be human. 863 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,640 And that's why, also, 864 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,200 I think the best reaction to reading a Dickens for the very first time 865 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,320 is to do what quite a lot of people do 866 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,280 when they read a Dickens for the very first time, 867 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,880 which is to pick up a new one and start reading that straight away. 868 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,320 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 869 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,360 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk 120794

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