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'This is Dickens World in Kent -
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'a vast tourist attraction
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'built to take visitors inside
the novels of Charles Dickens.'
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Hello.
Good afternoon. How are you?
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Good, thank you. Who are you?
Pleased to meet you.
Mr Micawber at your service, sir.
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Are you Mr Micawber?
Very good. And you are?
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'Ello, sir. I'm Nancy.
Are you Nancy? Aren't you dead?
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That's our famous
Great Expectations boat ride.
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Great Expectations boat ride?
Indeed.
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OK. Have you got the Artful Dodgems?
Have you got that?
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Artful Dodgems?
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May I come through?
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You may, sir.
Fantastic, thank you very much,
just get in here.
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'But surely there's more to Dickens
than this?
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'More than just a logo attached to
television costume dramas
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'and West End shows
about street urchins.'
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It's so easy to label and package
Charles Dickens,
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to exhibit him as
some sort of Victorian showman,
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a one-off, a dazzling talent like
Harry Houdini or Charlie Chaplin,
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a superstar from the past.
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I want to show that the work
of Charles Dickens
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isn't just quality entertainment
for a long-dead audience.
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Dickens's world of the imagination
is as complex and as dark
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and as sophisticated
as any modern city,
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and the characters he creates
are as real
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and as psychologically driven
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as the inhabitants
of any urban landscape today.
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And that's why I believe
that the true Dickensian world...
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is our world.
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'Dickens, the 19th-century novelist,
speaks to us now.
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'And I want to gauge
his impact and relevance
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'by talking not to literary critics
and biographers but to his readers.'
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'I'll meet those who Dickens
makes laugh.'
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"It was difficult
to enjoy her society
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"without becoming conscious
of a smell of spirits."
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So what he's basically saying
is this woman stank of alcohol!
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'The readers
he stops in their tracks.'
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The thing is, he has
a very driving narrative.
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He's got to get where he's going.
But along the way something
like that will just BOOM!
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'And those who suggest
that Dickensian characters
are still living among us now.'
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Some of it's timeless, yeah.
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And you see it all the time.
Not me, obviously...
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No, me, definitely!
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'Before the bestsellers
of Dan Brown and JK Rowling,
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'before the literary fireworks
of Ian McEwan and Martin Amis,
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'there was the spectacularly
popular
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'and critically applauded writing
of Charles Dickens.
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'Dickens was the complete writer.'
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He wrote 15 novels, he invented 989
brand-new characters,
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he edited newspapers and magazines.
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He wrote speeches, plays,
short stories, pamphlets, letters.
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Sometimes he did all these things
simultaneously.
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Now, I haven't read all of these.
I doubt many people have.
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But I don't think we should be
put off by the sheer volume of
Dickens's output, or his reputation.
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The great thing about him is that
he had such a distinctive tone,
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such a unique style
that was recognisable
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as he tackled the big issues -
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crime, death, poverty, riches,
guilt, fear.
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And I think you can join him
at any point.
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Each novel to me feels like
a continuation of all the rest.
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Every character just one inhabitant
in a virtual world
created in his imagination.
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So I think the best way to tackle
Dickens is to choose your point...
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and dive in!
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"To resume the consideration of the
curious question of refreshment..."
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'Comedian Phill Jupitus
didn't know any Dickens
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'until he decided to perform a show
at the Edinburgh Festival.
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'There he would read out loud works
he was seeing for the first time.'
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"I turn my disconsolate eye on the
refreshments that are to restore me.
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"I find that I must either
stuff into my delicate organisation
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"a currant pin cushion
which I know will swell
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"into immeasurable dimensions
when it's got there.
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"Or I must extort from an iron-bound
quarry with a fork,
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"as if I were farming
an inhospitable soil,
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"some glutinous lumps of gristle
and grease called pork pie."
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I just found myself forgetting
I was at a gig. And doing it live.
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He'd give reign to the most
inconsequential of thoughts.
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He'd expand on ideas and they
kind of build through the pieces.
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You can almost sense
his thought process as he writes.
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Can I just take one which is, um...
Mugby Junction.
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Now not many people
know Mugby Junction.
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Mugby Junction's
one of the latest...
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It's not really a novel as such,
is it?
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No, it's just a story about a man
who arrives at this train station,
Mugby Junction,
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which becomes a bit of a sort of
allegory for where he's at in life.
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"He spoke to himself.
There was no-one else to speak to.
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"Perhaps though, had there been
anyone else to speak to,
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"he would have preferred
to speak to himself.
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"Speaking to himself, he spoke
to a man within five years of 50
either way,
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"who had turned grey too soon,
like a neglected fire.
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"A man with many indications on him,
of having been much alone."
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Oooh!
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And it's just...
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You just stop, and it's just....
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What's the fire thing,
"like a decaying..."?
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It was, "A man turned grey too soon,
like a neglected fire."
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A neglected fire!
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He has a driving narrative in the
pieces. Got to get where he's going.
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Along the way, something like
that will just...BOOM!
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Stops you in your tracks.
The other thing I find is
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it's not flashy.
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We have this image of Dickens with
big, long sentences, very florid,
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and it's not like that at all.
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A lot of it is very simple,
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and suddenly there's a phrase there
that just...
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It's very difficult to go two pages
without a phrase... Yes.
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Just giving you a little... Yeah.
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I mean, emotionally, I felt...
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cos when I read him,
it was three years ago, I was 45...
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I felt like an idiot for not having
picked any up before.
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Dickens was born in 1812.
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By the time he was 30,
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he was the most famous writer
in the world.
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By then, he'd made
his name and his fortune
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with the comic tale
The Pickwick Papers,
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and with Oliver Twist,
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the rags to riches story of
the orphan who asks for more.
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He wrote his novels
in monthly instalments,
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keeping his massive audience hungry
for each arresting plot development
or extraordinary new character.
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He delighted them with
A Christmas Carol,
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and in later novels
such as Hard Times,
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Little Dorrit and Bleak House,
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he secured his reputation
as a champion of social justice,
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with his vivid and angry portraits
of the condition of Britain.
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But there's one novel that gives us
the most tantalising insight
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into the life of Dickens himself...
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..and that's David Copperfield,
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the book he described as
his favourite child.
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Dickens wrote,
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"Of all my books,
I like this the best."
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David Copperfield is the most
autobiographical of his novels -
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it tells the story of a young boy
going through a troubled childhood,
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but on to become
a successful writer.
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Now I think the closeness
of the subject
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and the intimacy of the style
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together shine a special light
on the rest of his work.
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'In the novel, David's childhood
starts as a happy one.
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'Though his father is dead,
he's loved by his mother
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'and cosseted by their maid,
Peggotty.
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'But we constantly see
through the child's eyes
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'as soon the world
turns dark around him.'
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I remember when I started reading
David Copperfield
for the very first time.
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It was one of those books that,
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as it says in the blurb,
you cannot put down.
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I was drawn into it
and the reason was,
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it has the most accurately
sustained piece of writing
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from the perspective of a child
that I've ever come across.
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Here's the start
of Chapter Two, I Observe.
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This is the very young
David Copperfield
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aged about what...two, three...
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looking up at what's around him,
trying to describe his surroundings,
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his mother, and Peggotty,
the family maid.
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"The first objects", he says, "that
assume a distinct presence before me
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"as I look far back
into the blank of my infancy,
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"are my mother with her pretty hair
and youthful shape,
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"and Peggotty, with no shape at all
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"And eyes so dark they seemed
to darken
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"the whole neighbourhood
in her face."
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That's that thing of children,
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remembering things much larger
than they were in reality.
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"Eyes so dark
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"that they seemed to darken the
whole neighbourhood in her face,
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"and cheeks and arms so hard and red
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"that I wondered the birds didn't
peck her in preference to apples."
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Again, everything is very simple
at this stage.
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Dickens the great wordsmith,
the literary showman,
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is actually putting everything back
into his box of tricks,
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and shutting that box tight.
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So everything is in monosyllables.
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"Cheeks and arms so hard and red."
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And then that little image,
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the bird pecking at her cheeks
in preference to apples.
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Of course, that's an image a child
would understand. The bird pecking.
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He wouldn't have anything
more sophisticated
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to compare Peggotty's cheeks to.
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'But David's idyll shatters
as his mother remarries
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'to a cold and heartless man
called Mr Murdstone.
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'And now David can only see
harshness wherever he gazes.'
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"I could not look at her,
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"I could not look at him.
I knew quite well
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"that he was looking at us both.
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"And I turned to the window
and looked out there at some shrubs
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"that were drooping their heads
in the cold."
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The young Copperfield is the camera
in this picture,
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and everything we're perceiving,
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we're reading about, is done,
as it's perceived, through his eyes.
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"And I turned to the window..."
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and that thing of childhood
where as you grow up,
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if you receive bad news,
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if there's been
a sudden dramatic moment,
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you instantly recall
the first image you saw at the time,
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an image that, no matter how
insignificant it appears,
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still burns there in your heart
with significance.
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This whole process in these first
few chapters of David Copperfield
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is not just a fascinating story from
the perspective of the little boy
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but actually quite a modern,
experimental exercise in language.
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He's not like a serious novelist,
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who would very consciously
set out to impress us
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with the stylistic mastery he has
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over a description
of child psychology.
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Instead he wants to write himself
out of the picture.
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He doesn't want us to feel
written at by an author.
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Instead he wants us to be
pulled in to the work,
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and to watch it and observe it from
the perspective of the little boy,
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sitting low, on the floor,
at the world around him.
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'Dickens's lifelong sympathy
with the way children think
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'actually affected
everything he wrote.'
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The very first time I took
my son to see a film at the cinema,
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afterwards I asked him
what he thought.
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He said it was very good, just like
a DVD you could only see once.
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And it's that ability as a child
to describe something
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no way an adult would, that Dickens
always carried around with him.
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'Dickens wrote children's stories
for adults.
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'He stressed the power
of the imagination,
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'the power a child has in abundance,
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'as a way of describing
and reacting to
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'the world he saw around us.
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'Even as he matured as a writer,
his novels read like fairy tales,
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'of heroes growing up with
wicked step-parents, running away,
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'gaining vast fortunes,
being lost and found.'
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'In 1849 Dickens published the first
instalment of David Copperfield.
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'Like all his novels,
it was released as a serial,
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'issued in 19 monthly parts.
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'Dickens was writing only weeks
before his audience
was reading him.'
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'The original manuscript is housed
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'in the National Art Library at
London's Victoria and Albert Museum,
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'and I looked to see if it betrayed
any signs of the relentless pressure
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'Dickens must have been under.'
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Am I allowed to touch them?
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Yes, please. Please do. Open it.
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It starts off with
part number three,
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the first volume
had the first two parts.
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"Personal history and experience
of David Copperfield.
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"Chapter seven."
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I'm seeing if I can read it.
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"School began in earnest that day."
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It is quite...
This would go off to the printers?
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This would go to the printers.
They could decipher this? Yes!
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But look at this,
this is a mess, isn't it?
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This is in fact, extremely,
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really neat...
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Really? ..And clear.
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You can tell that
because the compositors,
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when they set from these manuscripts
were extremely accurate.
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So he's writing these novels
almost live, in a way.
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People are watching him write,
in that he doesn't quite know...
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He has a rough idea
where he wants to go,
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but doesn't quite know
how it's going to end.
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He seems to have been
fairly disciplined.
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He had a copy date
of the 20th of each month.
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And he was normally
two, three weeks in advance.
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Really? So he was relatively good at
keeping up with...
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The idea of being two weeks in
advance of any writing deadline,
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to me is completely alien,
I have to say!
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I don't want to read too much
analysis into the handwriting
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but I get the sense of a very, very
restless, unsettled personality.
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You know, having been a lifelong
Dickens fan, to have this...
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I am like a kid in a sweetie shop
at the moment.
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But a sweetie shop run by a guy
who makes bloody good sweets.
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'Dickens started his writing career
first as a court reporter
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'and then as a parliamentary
sketch writer.
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'He was trained to be fast, vivid
and entertaining.
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'So it's no surprise when he had
his first piece of fiction published
in 1833, when he was just 21,
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'that it was in the form of
a comic short story.
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'And more, much more comedy,
was to follow.'
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As a kid I was two things -
I was very bookish, you know,
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I loved reading, and I was also into
comedy, but I always regarded those
two worlds as being quite separate.
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Literature was serious,
and for the funny stuff,
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I spent all my money on comics
and listening to great radio shows
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like Hitchhikers' Guide
To The Galaxy.
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And then I remember when I got
hooked on Dickens, I picked up
The Old Curiosity Shop, as you do,
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and very early on,
I came across this episode
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where there's a great guy
called Dick Swiveller
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who has no money. And he's
in a pub, and he's bought a meal.
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And he says to the innkeeper
he'll come round later that night
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and pay for it,
and writes something down in a book.
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And his friend says to him,
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"Are you just writing down a
reminder to come back this evening?"
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and Dick says, "Not exactly, Fred.
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"I enter into this little book the
names of the streets that I can't
go down while the shops are open.
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"This dinner today closes Long Acre.
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"I bought a pair of boots
in Great Queen Street last week
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"and made that no thoroughfare too.
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"There's only one avenue
to the Strand left open now,
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"and I shall have to stop up that
tonight with a pair of gloves."
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So what Dick Swiveller's doing
is he's got a mental map of London
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and he's just crossing out
the streets he can't move down,
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because he owes people money there.
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And I was thinking, that's funny,
but it reminds me of something,
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it reminds me of a stand-up
comedy routine or a sketch,
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or that Charlie Chaplin scene
where he's quite happily
eating his own shoes
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because he has no food left
and no money to buy some.
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And that for me was a great
eye-opener about Dickens.
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I think we're put off by this notion
we have of Charles Dickens
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as this great Victorian novelist,
because it implies he's serious,
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whereas in fact I think he's the
finest comedian we've ever produced.
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'By that I mean, much comedy
today is still conditioned
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'by the way Dickens wrote it
in the 19th century,
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'and comedy writers and performers
today owe a huge debt to him.
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'Other people who work in comedy
think so too.'
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There's this thing about Mrs Gamp.
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Oh, Mrs Gamp who's the nurse
in Martin Chuzzlewit.
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This sentence where he goes,
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"It was difficult to
enjoy her society
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"without becoming conscious
of a smell of spirits."
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So what he's basically saying is
"This woman stank of alcohol".
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The way he puts it, "It was
difficult to enjoy her company!"
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But Mrs Gamp, again, is kind of like
a character from Psychoville,
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she's this small, squat woman.
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What you can do is, you can put
a bottle of spirits on the side.
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She says, "I may take a drink.
Or I may not.
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"It just depends on
how I'll be disposed."
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She'll drink the whole lot
is what will happen.
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I'm devoted to Pickwick Papers.
And Mr Jingle.
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He's a complete conman. A real con.
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And he speaks very fast
so nobody else can get a word in.
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Bang-bang-bang, like a machine gun.
He's a very funny character.
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It's desperately dark, as well.
Like...
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It's a man talking about how
a woman's head was knocked off
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by the top of an arch, in front of
her children and then he's going,
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"She couldn't even eat a sandwich.
She didn't have a head any more."
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" 'Heads, heads,
take care of your heads',
cried a loquacious stranger
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"as they came out under the low
archway, which in those days formed
the entrance to the coach yard.
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"Terrible place - dangerous work -
other day - five children -
mother - tall lady -
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"eating sandwiches -
forgot the arch - crash - knock -
children looked round -
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"mother's head off -
sandwich in her hand -
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"no mouth to put it in -
head of a family off -
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"shocking - shocking. Didn't keep
a sharp look out enough, eh?
Eh, sir? Eh?"
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THEY LAUGH
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That's Peston
on about 17 espressos.
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THEY LAUGH
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Yes! That's spot on.
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It's that sense of the rhythms
of colloquialisms
and the way people speak.
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Because in reality,
we don't finish our sentences
and we all interrupt each other.
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That's the performer in him.
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There's a bit from Bleak House here
with a little child roadsweeper.
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"She says to me, she says,
'Are you the boy at the inquich?'
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"I says 'Yes', she says to me,
she says, 'You could show me all
them places'. I says, 'Yes, I can',
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"she says to me, 'Do it'
and I done it, and she give me
a sovereign and I hooked it.
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"I hadn't much of the sovereign
neither. I had to pay five bob
down in old Tom Alone's
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" 'fore they'd square it to give me
change and then a young man thieved
another fiver while I was asleep.
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"Another boy thieved ninepence."
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I'm half expecting you now to go
"Am I bovvered?"
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Exactly, yeah.
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'Dickens's comedy still seems fresh,
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'but it's the dark and serious
nature of his themes
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'that make his novels
seem surprisingly modern.
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'And there's no more dominant theme
in those novels...than money.'
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'In Dickens's world, heroes and
villains are obsessed with money -
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'how to get it, what to do with it,
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'and above all,
the terror of losing it.
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'A huge fear of debt and poverty
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'can be traced back
to Dickens's own childhood.
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'His father, John Dickens,
was forever in debt,
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'and at one point endured
the public shame
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'of being sent to debtors' prison.'
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'Charles was taken out of school,
and aged 12, was sent to work
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'in a shoe polish warehouse
to feed his family.
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'The experience haunted him
for the rest of his life.'
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'When he came to write
David Copperfield,
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'Dickens poured many
of these feelings
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'into the serial debtor
Mr Micawber.'
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Now, Mr Micawber is
such a brilliant character.
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I think we have this image of him
from TV adaptations
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of being just a sort of gregarious,
fat, rather optimistic chap who,
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even though he has no money, is
always talking about his expectation
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that something is
just around the corner,
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something is going to turn up.
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It's so different
when you read the book.
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There, it's a much more
sophisticated, painful read,
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because Micawber can start off
by being very affectionate
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and outgoing
and full of high spirits,
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and there's a genuine affection
between him and Copperfield.
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But within seconds, as soon
as the realisation comes upon him
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of the debt that he carries,
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Micawber is reduced to being
an almost childlike, self-pitying
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little creature, railing about how
he's doomed for the debtors' prison.
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He starts making knife-cutting
gestures across his throat
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and talks about
what a tragic figure he is.
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And then he can pull himself
together
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and start singing songs
and dancing the hornpipe.
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It's a very realistic
and affectionate,
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and yet frustrated look
at the twisted poison
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that can be injected into
someone's personality
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by this awareness of debt.
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It's so hard to read,
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you almost have to put your fingers
across your eyes as you read it.
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This looks like Julius Caesar.
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That is Julius Caesar.
That was the Leeds Playhouse. Right.
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'For 63-year-old actor Ian Hurley,
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'Dickens's portrait of Micawber
has a special significance.
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'When work dried up,
Ian found himself in debt,
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'owing the bank £40,000.'
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Mr Micawber, you can see that
when he has these highs and lows
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and when someone has a debt problem,
it really doesn't go...
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It, it... You see how
he's trying to escape from it.
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Well, here's the passage
which describes that sense
of being up and down
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that goes through Mr Micawber.
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"It was nothing at all unusual
for Mr Micawber to sob violently
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"at the beginning of one of these
Saturday night conversations
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"and sing about Jack's delight
being his lovely Nan
towards the end of it.
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"I've known him come home to supper
with a flood of tears
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"and a declaration that
nothing was now left but a jail
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"and go to bed making a calculation
of the expense
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"of putting bow windows on the house
in case anything turned up, which
was his favourite expression."
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It will give you a high and a low
and can make you cry.
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You can even be driving along
in your car and you think about this
and you cry. But to....
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Why the high?
Where does the high come from?
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Well, the high is
the telling yourself that it's OK.
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Because of the presence of the worry
of debt you will take highs from it
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to remove the... Let's say
to remove the depression of it.
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And I think this is where
the highs come and the crying
and the emotion.
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And he does great flourishes.
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He suddenly... When he's trying to
enjoy himself
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he enjoys himself very, very
noisily and energetically,
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as if to show there's nothing wrong.
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And that's very interesting.
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To show there's nothing wrong,
to show that it's OK.
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"It's OK, yeah, fine, come and
have another drink! It's fine."
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And someone says to you, "You look
a bit sad, you look a bit tense."
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You say, "No, no, no,
I'm fine, it's OK!"
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And the other thing he does
is sometimes pretend that
he's paying stuff back,
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but he'll know
he's running up a debt
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and with a great flourish
he'll write an I-O-U.
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I think that's wonderful.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
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I just wish I could write a few
I-O-Us to the bank and say,
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"Well, that's you paid!"
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'Micawber is a brilliant creation
on his own.
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'But what Dickens also does
is show how debt spreads
like an infection,
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'so that it extends its hold
beyond Micawber
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'on to anybody who he befriends.'
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Like David Copperfield's
friend Tommy Traddles
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who sells a number of objects
to the pawn shop
to raise some money for Micawber.
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And then one day Traddles decides
there's one thing he really wants
back from that pawn shop,
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a little decorative pot
given to him by his girlfriend.
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'As the pawnbroker will
only sell it back to Traddles
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'at an inflated price, he begs
Peggotty to buy it back for him.
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'Leaving Traddles himself waiting
anxiously around the corner.'
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'At first Peggotty
leaves empty-handed,
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'but then the broker
calls her back.'
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'And finally she returns,
triumphant.'
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It's like a scene from a film,
it's like a farce,
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where money is reduced to something
very small, very specific
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and yet very, very meaningful.
446
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'When Dickens wrote
David Copperfield
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'his public image was of a restless
but nonetheless contented
family man.'
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'He'd been married to
Catherine Dickens for 13 years
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'and with their brood of
eight children it seemed like
they had a happy home.'
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'Privately, though, Dickens
developed misgivings about
Catherine's suitability as a wife
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'and there were quiet strains
within the marriage.'
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'In David Copperfield
we can sense Dickens's own
ambivalence towards his marriage
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00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,520
'in his portrayal of David's
relationship with his wife, Dora.'
454
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,080
'Impulsive and immature,
David is at first blind to the fact
455
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,480
'that Dora is wrong for him.'
456
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,520
'But wiser friends and family can
see trouble coming from the start.'
457
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Here's a scene with David
and his aunt Betsey Trotwood,
458
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,920
and the loudest sound in this whole
passage is of Betsy Trotwood
biting her lip.
459
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640
"So you fancy yourself in love,
do you?"
460
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880
"Fancy, Aunt?"
I exclaimed as red as I could be.
461
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,600
"I adore her with my whole soul."
462
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040
"Dora indeed!" returned my Aunt.
463
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760
"And you mean to say
the little thing
is very fascinating, I suppose?"
464
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,600
"My dear Aunt, no-one could form
the least idea what she is."
465
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,320
"Ah! And not silly?" said my aunt.
466
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,960
"Silly, Aunt?"
467
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,520
"Not light-headed?"
"Light-headed, Aunt?"
468
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,600
I could only repeat
this daring speculation.
469
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280
"Well, well, I only ask.
I don't depreciate her.
470
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,840
"Poor little couple.
And so you think you were formed
for one another
471
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760
"and are to go through
a party-supper-table kind of life,
472
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640
"like two pretty pieces
of confectionary?
473
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600
"Do you, Trot?"
474
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,920
It's a difficult, uncomfortable read
475
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,760
as you go through this
plotline in the book.
476
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,200
It's a daring, sophisticated,
brutal analysis
477
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,360
of two young people
committing nuptial suicide.
478
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040
'It's almost as if Dickens
was toying with the boundaries
479
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,000
'that separated his private life
from public gaze.
480
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,320
'In 1859, he and Catherine
had another child, a girl,
481
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,880
'and they called her...Dora.'
482
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Meanwhile the fictional Dora
was proving far, far too much
483
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200
for the novel to bear.
484
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,360
The love story was staining
the rest of the novel
485
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520
with a mood of bitterness and guilt.
486
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,400
The marriage between Dora and David
had to come to an end.
487
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,120
But in Victorian times it would have
been improper for it to end
488
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400
with divorce or even separation.
489
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,080
So Dickens has Dora fall ill
490
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,000
and quite suddenly
and quite conveniently die.
491
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,440
Now, his daughter was born a week
before Dora is killed in the novel
492
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000
and at the time Dickens
writes to his wife Catherine,
493
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960
"I'm uncertain of my movements,
for after another splitting day
494
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
"I still have Dora to kill.
495
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880
"I mean the Copperfield Dora!"
496
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,400
SEAGULLS CAW
497
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,560
'This is Broadstairs
on the Kent coast.'
498
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000
'Dickens often brought
his family here in the summer
499
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,480
'to escape from the crowds
and heat of London.'
500
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520
'The year he was finishing
David Copperfield
501
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,480
'they stayed at Fort House,
since renamed Bleak House.'
502
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840
'It's occasionally
open to the public
503
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,600
'but it's also home
to Richard and Jackie Hilton.
504
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,160
'And they have a sometimes
unorthodox take
505
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,440
'on the life of Charles Dickens.'
506
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080
We're just going into
the Charles Dickens dining room...
507
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Right. ..which is where he used to,
um...from all reports,
508
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,240
have a seven
or eight-course breakfast.
509
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880
That would finish me off,
that would.
510
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
I'd be in bed for an hour after.
Yeah, me too.
511
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,480
And no doubt people come
and ask you all sorts of questions.
512
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Well, they do, yeah,
but I don't know that much.
513
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Only that he was married
with seven children.
514
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,240
Nine. Sorry, nine children.
515
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040
THEY LAUGH
516
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,600
But he had quite a few women
on the side. Oh, did he now?
517
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,880
Well, I know about one. You reckon
there were all sorts going on?
518
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,760
Yeah, for sure.
519
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,440
So this would have been
living quarters as well. Yeah.
520
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,000
I mean, did you know much about
Dickens before the house?
Nothing at all.
521
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,200
And how do you feel now,
six years on?
522
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Do you feel there's
this other presence around?
This life that you've....
523
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,040
Well, you can hear soldiers
sometimes.
524
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Hear soldiers?
You can hear soldiers,
Cos this was called Fort House
525
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,320
and we did contact Most Haunted
526
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,760
cos I thought it would be
good for people to know.
527
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,560
A Christmas Special! Yeah!
528
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,120
And this is at night? At night.
But the voices are in the daytime.
529
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
What voices?
Where do these voices come from?
530
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,400
You hear a woman's voice,
and she'll say, "Not again!"
in a very posh voice.
531
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Let's get out. Let's...
This is extraordinary!
I didn't know any of this.
532
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,760
Where are we going? In here? This is
Charles Dickens's bedroom. Uh-huh?
533
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Um...
534
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000
And I gather there's a cellar,
someone was saying?
535
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,840
Yes, that's right. And what did
Dickens use the cellar for, then?
536
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,720
I think mainly probably
some of his staff slept in it.
537
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:36,000
But I think he also used it
for contraband.
538
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,720
Contraband? Contraband, yeah.
539
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,760
When he died,
540
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,560
there were two 50-gallon drums -
barrels, rather - of tobacco
541
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,200
and 2,000 bottles of brandy
found in the cellar.
542
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Oh, that's completely
coloured my view of him
543
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
as being a respectable
member of society!
544
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Now, look at this.
545
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960
This is where Dickens wrote.
546
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,320
This is where he finished
David Copperfield.
547
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880
His little airy nest,
as he called it.
548
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920
And it's about the size of a nest,
it is quite small.
549
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,800
I'm surprised how small it is.
550
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,720
It's almost like he forced himself
to sit down and write.
551
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,680
It's the Victorian equivalent
of a writer
552
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,080
switching off his mobile phone
and disconnecting the internet
553
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,400
to avoid all distractions here.
554
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,360
But here is where this whole room
555
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,440
forces you to look out
towards the sea.
556
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,960
In David Copperfield, he describes
towards the end of the novel,
557
00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,040
a gargantuan storm scene
that kills several major
characters in the novel.
558
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480
I won't reveal the names,
that would spoil things.
559
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,000
And Dickens himself found these
quite traumatic scenes,
560
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,560
not just in the storm, but as
the novel reached its conclusion,
561
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,800
quite difficult to finish.
562
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,520
He says he was nearly "clean knocked
over" by the writing of it.
563
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,600
At one point he says,
"It defeated me."
564
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,560
In actual fact, those scenes were
some of the most powerful scenes
that Dickens had written to date.
565
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,760
And he did it here, at this desk.
566
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Let's see
if I can get some inspiration.
567
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,960
Maybe for my next link.
568
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,160
As I look out towards the sea,
just drink it all in.
569
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,160
'Dickens's popularity rested not
just on his characters and stories,
570
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,120
'but also on his satire.'
571
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,080
'His early works savage
the Victorian governing classes'
572
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520
'appalling treatment
of its dispossessed.'
573
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,640
'And as he wrote more and more,
574
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,520
'he poured derision on
ever vaster sections of society.'
575
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,960
'As Dickens grew more successful,
he was welcomed into
the British establishment,
576
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,480
'and the closer
he looked at that establishment,'
577
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,200
the surer he was
that it was rotten to the core.
578
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,280
And that's why,
in the later novels,
579
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,240
it's this world that he wants to
show us up close.
580
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,040
Welcome to Dickensopolis.
581
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,480
'Today, Dickens's satire
still stings.
582
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,800
'In the novel Little Dorrit,
he caricatures
583
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,600
'the way the country is run by
"the Circumlocution Office." '
584
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,600
"The Circumlocution Office
was the most important department
under government.
585
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,400
"Its finger was in
the largest public pie
586
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,120
"and in the smallest public tart.
587
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,840
"If another gunpowder plot had been
discovered half an hour before
the lighting of the match,
588
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,960
"nobody would have been justified
in saving the parliament
589
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680
"until there had been half a score
of boards, half a bushel of minutes,
590
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,840
"several sacks of official memoranda
and a family vault full of
591
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,840
"ungrammatical correspondence on the
part of the Circumlocution Office."
592
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Dickens's description
of bureaucracy run riot
593
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,800
really set the template
594
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,520
for any satirical take on government
written ever since.
595
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,640
In this, we have the beginnings
of Big Brother
596
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600
in George Orwell's
Nineteen Eighty-Four,
597
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Sir Humphrey Appleby
in Yes, Minister
598
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,560
and even the obstructiveness
and obtuseness
599
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,480
that Harry Potter meets
from the Ministry of Magic.
600
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,440
'One of Dickens's favourite targets
was the law.'
601
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,000
'The novel Bleak House
is set against the background
602
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040
'of a disputed inheritance
and the infamous, long-running
603
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,560
'Chancery lawsuit
of Jarndyce v Jarndyce.'
604
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,080
The case of Jarndyce and Jarndyce
605
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,680
is based on a long-running
Chancery dispute
606
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,280
that I'm sure Tony Arlidge has at his
fingertips and can tell us all about.
607
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080
I was in it. I appeared in it!
608
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,600
But that was an actual case
which I think lasted 20-odd years.
609
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,120
'I met Judge John Lafferty,
610
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,440
'the first visually impaired judge
on the bench,
611
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,560
'senior barrister
Antony Arlidge QC
612
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,880
'and Ellis Sareen,
also a barrister, to see
613
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,600
'how well they thought Dickens
made his case,
614
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,400
'and whether there's still a case
to answer.'
615
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,320
We also need to remember
in all of this
616
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840
that he has got this fantastic
vividness of phrase. He has.
617
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
When the Lord Chancellor comes in,
618
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,680
all the barristers in their white
wigs and black gowns get up and bow
619
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,320
like "so many pianoforte keys".
620
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Even now, there are days in the
Courts of Chancery where there are
621
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,920
quite a large number of barristers
present at one time.
622
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:53,040
And in just one little phrase,
he absolutely encapsulates that.
623
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,320
Do you feel that Dickens presents
624
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,760
a fair portrait
of how the law operated
at the time that he was writing?
625
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,280
He's out to pillory the way
in which institutions can evolve
626
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,400
so that they're there
to serve as much
627
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,720
the interests of their practitioners,
628
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,160
to the detriment of the vulnerable,
the poor and the needy,
629
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,280
as they are to right
the wrongs in society.
630
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Central to it, actually, is
something that remains a problem -
631
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,080
that very often, particularly
with small civil claims,
632
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,600
the cost of the legal proceedings
is bound to exceed
633
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640
the damages that are obtained.
634
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Yes. In the time of Bleak House,
635
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,720
there were lawyers who prolonged
litigation for their own advantage.
636
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,400
There have been ever since,
and there always will be.
637
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,520
That's always going to be a problem.
638
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,720
One thing I do want to ask is,
639
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,840
when you read these accounts
of the law,
640
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,200
do you feel implicated
or part of that?
641
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,960
There's always a tendency...
for example, politicians looking at
The Thick Of It would tell me
642
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,320
"Oh, I know someone just like that."
It's never themselves,
643
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,800
but it's always
someone that they know.
644
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,320
I just wonder how you feel?
645
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,720
It's a fair cop, guv.
You've got me bang to rights.
646
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,040
Some of it's timeless. Yeah...
and you see it all the time.
647
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Not me, obviously.
648
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:18,520
The great thing about it is
that it is hugely entertaining.
649
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,920
That's right, the great thing
about Dickens is his theatricality.
650
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,480
It's a series of vivid scenes.
651
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,800
And how about today?
If Dickens were writing today, then,
652
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,840
what in the way the system works
now, is there anything you think
653
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,760
he would immediately seize on?
654
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,880
Oh, I don't think
he'd be short of material.
655
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,480
'It's not just in our institutions
that we can sometimes spot
656
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,840
'the timelessness
of Dickens's attacks.'
657
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,680
'The characters who dominate his
institutions can seem familiar too.
658
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,440
'Today, we may have the likes of
Mr Murdoch, but in Little Dorrit,
659
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,520
'Dickens gives us a Mr Merdle.'
660
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,200
"Mr Merdle was immensely rich;
a man of prodigious enterprise;
661
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,840
"a Midas who turned
all he touched to gold.
662
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,800
"He was in everything good,
from banking to building.
663
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,200
"He was in Parliament, of course.
He was in the City necessarily.
664
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,920
"The weightiest of men had said
to projectors
665
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,600
"What name have you got?
Have you got Merdle?"
And the reply being in the negative
666
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,000
had said
"Then I won't look at you."
667
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,480
The whole novel is a depiction
partly of this figure.
668
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,520
One figure, Merdle,
moving through society,
669
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,760
and first the politicians
and then the media
670
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,040
and then the law
all come to pay homage to him.
671
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,600
But he himself is a strange shadowy
figure whose bank collapses,
672
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,080
whose money fritters away and who
ends up killing himself in a bath.
673
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,560
It's a frightening and sadly
familiar depiction
674
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,760
of the whole of British society
675
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,360
converging around one man
who tries to control it,
676
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,920
and in the end...imploding.
677
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Now, surely something
as horrific as that,
678
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,480
150 years ago,
couldn't happen today.
679
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,920
I mean, we know so much more now,
don't we?
680
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,680
'It wasn't just as a novelist
681
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,920
'that Dickens expressed
his views on society.
682
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,800
'As a journalist,
and then as a magazine editor,
683
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,440
'he had the chance to publish
his observations on everything.
684
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,320
'And he fed his enormous appetite
for the detail of life
685
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,760
'by taking long walks
almost every day,
686
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,720
'regularly clocking up to 20 miles.'
687
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,240
'As he walked, he observed
every little oddity -
688
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,760
'a weird play of light,
689
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,840
'or the strange bend of a nose
on a passer-by.'
690
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,360
'And he was most inspired
by the walks he took at night.'
691
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040
There's a fantastic essay that
he wrote called "Night Walks"
692
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,160
in which he describes wandering over
to an insane asylum,
693
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,160
Bethlehem Hospital,
a house full of lunatics.
694
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,600
And he goes there because he has
a particular fancy in his head.
695
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,720
"Are not the sane and the insane
696
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,560
"equal at night
as the sane lie adreaming?"
697
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,480
"Are not all of us outside this
hospital who dream more or less
698
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,640
"in the condition of those inside it
every night of our lives?"
699
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,520
Basically, we're as mad
as the people inside at night,
700
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,720
by what goes on inside our head
in our dreams.
701
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:55,720
"Said an afflicted man to me
702
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,200
"when I was last in a hospital
like this,
703
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,160
" 'Sir, I can frequently fly!'
704
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,520
"I was half-ashamed to reflect
that so could I, by night.
705
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,880
"Said a woman to me
on the same occasion,
706
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120
" 'Queen Victoria
comes to dine with me,
707
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,320
" 'and Her Majesty and I dine
off peaches and macaroni
in our nightgowns.'
708
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,560
"Could I refrain from reddening
with consciousness when I remembered
709
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,920
"the amazing royal parties
I myself had given at night?"
710
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,080
That's what I love about Dickens,
his ability to come up
711
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,320
with a conclusion
or make an observation
712
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,960
you'd think would be bizarre,
713
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,120
but actually, when you hear it,
seems perfectly natural.
714
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,520
That's why I think the night
plays such a prominent role
715
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,160
in his writing, because it gives him
this ability
716
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160
to take those two worlds,
the everyday and the familiar
717
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
and the unfamiliar,
the dark and the mysterious,
718
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,840
and superimpose them
on each other simultaneously,
719
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,600
so that throughout his writing,
720
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960
those two worlds are weaving
in and out of each other,
721
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360
so at no one point
do you know exactly where you stand.
722
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,000
'All sorts of human pathologies
intrigued Dickens,
723
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040
'and David Copperfield includes
an extraordinary character
724
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,440
'who suffers from delusions.'
725
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,320
'But instead
of being shut up in an asylum,
726
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,120
'he's been taken in
by David's Aunt Betsey.
727
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
'He's the rather marvellous
Mr Dick.'
728
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,520
'Mr Dick is one of the strangest,
most peculiar characters
729
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,920
'I've ever encountered,
730
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,800
'not just in a Dickens novel,
but in any novel.
731
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,760
'For most of his life,
he's been writing a project'
732
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,400
which he calls The Memorial.
733
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560
We never quite get to the bottom
of what The Memorial is.
734
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,720
It's this very nebulous historical
document that he's trying to write,
735
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,960
but his work on a daily basis
is interrupted by thoughts
736
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,400
in his head about the execution
of King Charles I.
737
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,880
These thoughts torture
and torment him,
738
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,760
and the only thing he can do to get
this these thoughts of the execution
of Charles I out of his head
739
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480
is to write them down
on big pieces of paper,
740
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,680
to gather those bits of paper up and
to fashion a paper kite out of them
741
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,040
and to go outside
and fly the kite in the air.
742
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,200
Now, when I describe it like that,
743
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,480
you might think that sounds
so deranged and bizarre
744
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,000
that it's unbelievable, and yet
when you read David's account
745
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,960
of his relationship with Mr Dick,
746
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,560
it suddenly seems believable.
747
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,360
"I used to fancy as I sat by him
of an evening on a green slope
748
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,360
"and saw him watch the kite
high in the quiet air
749
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,720
"that it lifted his mind
out of its confusion
750
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,400
"and bore it into the skies.
751
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,400
"As he wound the string in
and it came lower and lower down
752
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,680
"out of the beautiful light
till it fluttered to the ground
753
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,360
"and lay there like a dead thing,
754
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,440
"he seemed to wake gradually
out a dream,
755
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,680
"and I remembered to have seen him
take it up
756
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680
"and look about him in a lost way,
757
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,080
"as if they had both come down
together,
758
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,160
"so that I pitied him
with all my heart."
759
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,280
The truth is, we're not really
looking at some grotesque eccentric,
760
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,880
exaggerated for our amusement.
761
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,880
With Mr Dick,
we're watching a quite accurate
762
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,200
and heartrendingly real portrayal
of someone with a mental illness.
763
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,400
In fact, some have commented
with the benefit of hindsight
764
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960
that Dickens's own manic behaviour
may have indicated
765
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,400
signs of an element of bipolarity
in his personality.
766
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,480
Now, whatever the truth of that is,
you can't help but feel
767
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,360
that Dickens himself saw the world
in this unique way.
768
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,440
He even described, in a letter,
his own imagination as an infirmity,
769
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,920
a tendency to fancy or perceive
relations between things
770
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600
that are not apparent generally.
771
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Which is what Mr Dick does.
772
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040
I really do think
it's no exaggeration to say
773
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,880
that Mr Dick is a heightened version
of Mr Dickens.
774
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,080
'In 1850, as he finished
David Copperfield,
775
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,600
'Dickens was still in control
776
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,400
'not only of his fanciful,
but also his darker thoughts.
777
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680
'But this didn't last.
778
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,080
'Seven years later,
779
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,320
'what he had subconsciously
expressed in the novel
780
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,080
'seeped into reality,
and he left his wife.
781
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,000
'He then pursued a relationship
782
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,640
'he'd begun with a 19-year-old
actress, Ellen Ternan.'
783
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,040
'Yet the pressure of
keeping the liaison secret,
784
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,200
'together with growing panic
that his talent would desert him,
785
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,680
'began to make him ill.'
786
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,080
'But Dickens refused to slow down.
787
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:31,160
'In 1867, he embarked on
a series of public reading tours,
788
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,280
'determined to power on.'
789
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:45,960
This is Dickens's own annotated
reading copy of the scene
790
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,480
in which Sykes kills Nancy
in Oliver Twist.
791
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,840
And this was the highlight
of Dickens's public readings.
792
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,760
It had people fainting in the aisles
and running out.
793
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480
And you can see
it's got his underlinings
794
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,080
and emphasis where he is signalling
to himself
795
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,920
that he's going to pause
and add dramatic action.
796
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,880
We've got here little marks
in the side margin. "Beckon down",
797
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,240
"You won't be too violent",
underlining, "murder coming".
798
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,760
That's a little note to himself now
to shift up another gear.
799
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,280
We're in the home stretch
of this bludgeoning.
800
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,920
And once we get up to the moment
of the murder itself,
801
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,240
this is turning into
quite a passionate, violent,
802
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,080
very physical performance here.
803
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,680
The annotations are now scarring
the whole of the text here.
804
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,400
"Action!" "Mystery!" "Terror to
the end." "Dashed out his brains!!"
805
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,320
Double exclamation mark at the end.
806
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,320
Dickens's public readings
were quite sensational.
807
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,840
They were the hottest ticket
in town. They were wildly popular.
808
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,240
People would queue up overnight.
The place would be mobbed.
809
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,720
It was like Lady Gaga
coming to town.
810
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:13,240
His tour of America
was quite strenuous and energetic,
811
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,360
and really fatigued him.
He was quite ill.
812
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,920
But Dickens couldn't help
but throw himself into it,
813
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920
physically and mentally.
814
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,520
Many say that in particular,
815
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,760
it was his performance of the
reading of the Sykes and Nancy scene
816
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,560
that in the end killed him.
817
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,640
'In June 1870, Dickens suffered
a stroke, and died at home.
818
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:51,560
'He was 58, and he was halfway
through writing a new novel.
819
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600
'It was a small,
unremarkable ending
820
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:00,200
'for a writer that had lived
such a large, remarkable life.
821
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:05,120
'But then Dickens never was
very comfortable with endings.'
822
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,560
'David Copperfield finishes
with a whole host of characters,
including Mr Micawber,
823
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,920
'sailing off to Australia
to start a new life.'
824
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,000
'And they succeed.
Micawber grows prosperous,
825
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,920
'while at home, David marries again
and lives happily ever after.'
826
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,840
'But this ending doesn't feel
so happy when we shut the book.'
827
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:47,240
For me, Dickens's endings
are disappointing.
828
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,440
I know I'm going to be
hauled over the coals
829
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,200
by militant Dickensian Taliban
for saying that,
830
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,600
but I feel that Dickens
hated finishing his novels
831
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,040
and his heart wasn't in it.
832
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,640
It's when his characters
are restless and struggling
833
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,240
and energetic that they're
at their most animated,
834
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,560
and it's when they become static
that something goes out of them.
835
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,840
For Dickens,
I think a happy ending is dull.
836
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,800
It's how people struggle to
try and attain a happy ending
837
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,760
that's much, much more interesting.
838
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,960
'It's over 170 years since Dickens
published his first novel,
839
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,560
'and readers still find his work
surprisingly fresh.'
840
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,280
The thing about Dickens is,
it stands up so well.
841
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200
A lot of the humour
is entirely modern.
842
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,680
It is gripping.
843
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,120
He has great plots. He has the most
incredible characterisation,
844
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,240
but always with a sort of
psychological basis.
845
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,200
Whoever he writes about, even if
it's a sort of loathsome character
846
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,920
they're human beings.
He takes them warts and all.
847
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600
It's like that moment in a song
when you go "Oh, yeah."
848
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,840
You hear a song and go,
"Oh, that's how I feel."
849
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,680
I said at the start
of this programme
850
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,000
that I thought each Dickens novel
851
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,200
feels like a continuation
of the rest.
852
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,600
Each novel gives you
a unique vision of the world
853
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,840
that's curiously like your own,
854
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,480
and yet strangely magnified
and distorted, and as a result,
855
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,960
Dickens makes you
read the characters around you
completely afresh.
856
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,200
He forces you to gaze
much more intently
857
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,760
at your physical surroundings
and inside,
858
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,160
looking at the state of your
own mental and emotional condition.
859
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,360
That's why Dickens's work is,
for me,
860
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,080
still the greatest example
in the English language
861
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,400
of a mind trying to engage comically
and yet honestly
862
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,200
with what it means
to be human.
863
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,640
And that's why, also,
864
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,200
I think the best reaction to reading
a Dickens for the very first time
865
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,320
is to do what
quite a lot of people do
866
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,280
when they read a Dickens
for the very first time,
867
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,880
which is to pick up a new one and
start reading that straight away.
868
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,320
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869
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,360
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