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Good evening, my fellow Americans.
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First, I should like to express my gratitude
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to the radio and television networks
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for the opportunities they have given me over the years
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to bring reports and messages to our nation.
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We annually spend on military security alone,
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more than the net income of all United States corporations.
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In the councils of government,
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we must guard against
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the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
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whether sought or unsought
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by the military-industrial complex.
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President Eisenhower used the term
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military-industrial complex in his farewell address,
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and what that referred to is this increasing alliance
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between our industrial capacity
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in the United States and the military.
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War is fought on the battlefields
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with kinetic energy and kinetic weapons,
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but also, it's fought in the mind.
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It's fought in public opinion.
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It's fought through public relations and propaganda.
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The military-entertainment complex,
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as a term, is playing off of that.
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It's suggesting that a similar kind of alliance is forming,
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not with industrial powers, but with entertainment powers.
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The really powerful storytelling mechanism
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that is Hollywood,
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speaks to a different part of us.
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It speaks to an emotional register.
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It is the most powerful storytelling mechanism
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ever devised by human beings.
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In the invasion of Iraq,
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we found out a lot about how the military massages
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and manipulates those industries
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to get its message out.
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We must stop the terror.
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Now, watch this drive.
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Do you trust this person?
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Yes, I do.
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Combat boots and fatigues,
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mingled with stilettos and bling.
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Good evening, Achmed.
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Good evening... infidel.
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But, if you can get history written
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in Hollywood celluloid,
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then you've really done your job in selling the public
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on the story that you wanna tell.
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In the battle of Iraq,
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the United States and our allies have prevailed.
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There are large dominant
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military-entertainment complexes out there,
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but there's a lot of small ones too
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that are vying for attention and brain space.
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And ISIS is one of them.
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ISIS has released
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a new propaganda video.
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This production displays glossy camera work
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and high-level production techniques.
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The ISIS PR machine
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is constantly making sure
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the world is aware.
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Denis Cuspert is his real name,
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a former German rapper,
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a notorious ISIS fighter and recruiter.
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Allahu Akbar.
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He was the face of ISIS.
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There were no celebrities in ISIS except for him.
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They would put him on YouTube.
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They would put him everywhere, all the time.
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They were constantly broadcasting Denis.
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Denis Cuspert had, you know, basically
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rock star status in ISIS.
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This individual had a relative free rein
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to encourage and recruit others online.
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When I met Denis the first time,
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I could see he was very charismatic.
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I could clearly see this is somebody
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who was gonna become a leader.
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Denis Cuspert having his own social media accounts,
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creating propaganda, and just trying to make it
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more personalized for people back home.
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If I'm the FBI, they've seen the videos.
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They know he's a player.
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It makes sense to target Denis.
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Daniela Greene was hired by the FBI,
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as an FBI linguist,
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a skill set they desperately needed.
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Allahu Akbar.
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Allahu Akbar.
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Allahu Akbar.
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The FBI thought, "Let's take this young woman
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and let's put her up against him."
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But communicating gives you their thoughts
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and their motivations,
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and it gives you kind of a window into their soul.
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Honey Trap operations, they come with risks.
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Humans all have vulnerabilities,
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and there's no greater vulnerability than sex,
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and romance, and love.
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Allahu Akbar. Allahu.
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Allahu Akbar.
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I had heard of Denis during my teenage years.
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He was a figure who hung out with people from my high school.
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He was very charming.
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There were girls who had a crush on Denis,
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but he was well-known as someone who had a spectacular
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kind of criminal past in terms of very violent crimes
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that he'd gone to jail for repeatedly.
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Denis came out of prison from a longer stint,
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and he came out and decided
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that he was gonna do gangster rap.
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In Kreuzberg, the kind of most famous gang
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was "36 Boys,"
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which was a gang of mostly Turkish
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and Arab and Kurdish youth.
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Denis was a member of the gang.
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He hung with them.
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Denis grew up in West Berlin,
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which was occupied by American soldiers.
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In 1945, the US liberates Germany
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from Nazi rule.
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Liberated, occupied.
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It's important to always add that.
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When the US Army occupied Germany,
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the US Army was still segregated.
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Black American soldiers were fighting
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in a segregated US Army,
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and occupying a country where they were told,
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"This is an enemy population. "
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There were non-fraternization rules.
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But they were starving
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and living in bombed-out cities.
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Black American G.I.s were particularly
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friendly and generous.
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Within a year, you have children
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born who are biracial kids.
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So, that was part of what was associated
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with Blackness, was America.
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Denis' mom was a young woman in the 70s.
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She was living in Kreuzberg at the time
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in an unheated apartment
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with no warm water, that kind of thing.
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She would go to night clubs
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where American G.I.s would hang out.
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Then she met this DJ one night at a night club
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from Ghana, who was playing there.
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Denis' biological father was deported back to Ghana.
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And she never saw him again.
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She said she had one photo of him somewhere.
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Denis was born then, very premature.
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Denis had no relationship to his biological father.
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She actually showed me an outfit,
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the first outfit that she dressed him in.
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She had it pinned to the wall in her apartment.
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It was a Woolworth teddy bear that she dressed him
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in the-- in the teddy bear's like overalls.
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They were really very tiny.
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A couple of years later, when Denis was three or four,
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she met Benjamin Cuspert
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who was an American soldier in Berlin,
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and they married, and had a second son, Jermaine.
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It's kind of interesting that Germany's
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most well-known terrorist
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carries the name of an American soldier.
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The media, which contains journalism,
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which contains Hollywood, and entertainment,
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people have called that the fourth branch of government.
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Part of the storytelling is how Muslims
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are understood by Hollywood
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and the American political system.
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Frequently, it's so hard to get away
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from the casting of the characters
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like Denis as the Muslim boogeyman.
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Now, what I find interesting is how that story
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can open us up to talking about stories
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that operate as propaganda
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to consent to military action.
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From the earliest films,
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there's been quite a long history
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of representing Arabs,
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the Middle East, Muslims in a certain kind of way.
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In terms of the representations
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of Middle East --
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If you went to the Middle East, you will find
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incredible diversity, like all human beings.
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And yet, if you looked at Hollywood films,
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which for a long time was the main propaganda
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that was representing American state power
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and American corporate power,
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you'd find a very, very narrow range.
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You'd better be able to pay for that.
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Do you know what the penalty is for stealing?
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There is a scholar called Jack Shaheen.
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He went through Hollywood films and documented
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how Arabs were represented.
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Very, very dehumanizing.
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So you're sitting like I am, for example,
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watching Back To The Future--
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Why does Hollywood inject Arabs
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and/or slurs demeaning Arabs
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in movies having nothing to do with the Middle East?
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Who? Who?
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Who do you think?
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The Libyans!
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We have thrillers, we have True Lies,
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we have Executive Decision.
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In some of these Hollywood films,
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you see a white woman stripped down,
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her clothes taken off, tied up,
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and she's being sold at an auction block.
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You have a series of films
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called The Delta Forces.
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American marines killed many of my friends
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when they bombed Beirut.
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This also coincides with the obsession
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around the alleged proliferation
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of Arab hijackings of planes,
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which happens decontextualized,
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with these absurd cartoonish characters
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instilling fear in white female stewardesses.
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We even have these benign films
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that have nothing to do with Muslims or Arabs
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portray cartoonish characters.
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-What key? -That key.
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Who's taken the key?
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The negative portrayal of Muslims
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in Western countries and how Muslims are treated,
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it's "us against them."
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Muslims are unfortunately viewed as a monolith
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by people who may not understand,
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and their only exposure might be through shows like 24.
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Stories are at the center
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of social cohesion.
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We're gonna have to come up with an alternative.
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This is alternative.
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Hollywood doesn't happen
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or create images in isolation.
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There is a triangle of politics, pop culture, and public opinion
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that are at work.
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They have dynamic relationships.
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We better wake up and smell the falafel.
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Islam is taking over our country.
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No, ma'am. No, ma'am.
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He's a-- he's --
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he's a decent, family man.
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You see,
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there's no shades of gray in this war against terror.
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Either you're with the United States
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or you're not with the United States.
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When you decide to destroy Iraq,
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for example, then you've got to prime a population.
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If you look at the propaganda following 9/11,
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there is two years
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of intense propaganda
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trying to convince people
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that 9/11 was connected to Saddam Hussein.
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So that by the time the Iraq invasion happens,
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you have something like 83% of the population
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in support of the war.
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With horrible disastrous results
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and a power vacuum created
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into which ISIS was thrust.
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If you look at the propaganda, you pick on the most powerless
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people in the society
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and you turn them into scapegoats.
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"These people aren't really human.
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They don't love their kids like we love them . "
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If you believe that, then these are not real people.
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These are not real human beings.
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And therefore, you can do anything to them.
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The invisibilized dominant power
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is the American military.
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It's the American empire,
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how it pervades and influences
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every part of his
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and his community's understanding
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of what is just and unjust.
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In 2006, he was meant to tour
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with DMX in the US
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after touring with him in Germany and Europe.
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So whoever the fuck gets on this stage tonight,
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real dudes, we're doing real fucking things, baby.
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Denis flew to LA to perform there with him,
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but he wasn't allowed to fly in.
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He thought they didn't let him in
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because he had like a kind of knockoff Adidas shoe
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with a plane flying in,
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that was supposed to look like the Twin Towers.
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Denis kind of jumped around
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from subculture to subculture in a way.
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He went from rap to trying to be an MMA fighter.
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Denis challenged Ismail Cetinkaya.
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He sort of very publicly challenged him.
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Fight!
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The main guy in the German context
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who was recruiting Germans
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to join the Salafist movement,
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and many of them went to ISIS,
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was this guy called Pierre Vogel,
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who's a white German guy,
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who was a boxing champion.
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I do think that there was a correlation
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between Denis losing
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and being humiliated in that fight,
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and then having this meeting with Pierre Vogel,
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where he was given an out.
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There's a video of Pierre Vogel
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where he's sitting with Denis,
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and it's the video where he convinces Denis to give up rap.
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Denis is very humble and moved.
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People thought it was kind of ridiculous,
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but he was serious about it.
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Do you wanna just introduce yourself?
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Mm-hm. My name is Souad Mekhennet.
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I'm the international security correspondent
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for the Washington Post.
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For nearly 20 years,
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journalist Souad Mekhennet
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had-- has covered some of the world's
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most dangerous conflicts.
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She's gained rare access to the inner circles
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of groups like the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS.
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In 2015, she co-wrote the blockbuster Washington Post
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article that unmasked ISIS killer Jihadi John
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as British citizen, Mohammed Emwazi.
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Her latest book, recounts some of her
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most dangerous reporting assignments.
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The last book I published is called
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I Was Told To Come Alone:
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My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad,
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where I also wrote about Denis Cuspert.
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I met Denis Cuspert before he joined ISIS.
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A young imam from Berlin contacted me one day and said,
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"Souad, there is somebody
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who I think you should meet.
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He's someone who comes to my mosque
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and I'm a bit worried about him."
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I went to Berlin
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and I entered the office of the imam,
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and there was this young man sitting
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who then stood up when I entered the office,
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which I found very interesting, to show his respect.
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And we greeted each other in Arabic
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with, you know, As-salamu alaykum,
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and that was Denis Cuspert.
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We had a very long conversation
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where we spoke about how he felt as a child
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growing up with, you know,
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a lot of discrimination and racism.
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I could relate to that a little bit
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because I grew up in Germany as well
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as the child of so-called guest workers.
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He was looking for an identity like,
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"Who am I? Where do I belong? Where's my home?"
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He felt like somebody who was really looking for a path,
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but he was also looking for
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being able to talk to somebody.
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Now, you have to understand,
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in Germany or in Europe,
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very often when young men want to discuss these things,
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imams feel a bit-- they're very careful
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about having such political debates
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in their mosques because they are afraid
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that the intelligence services would say,
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"Wait a second, you're allowing these--
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this is extremism.
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You're allowing people to talk-- discuss this
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and to have anti-Western views there."
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This is where recruiters understand
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they can actually step in and recruit somebody.
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When I met Cuspert in-- Cuspert in--
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at the mosque in Berlin,
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he was still somebody where I felt
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there could have been a chance to not lose him
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into the hands of extremism,
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but there was no one there
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who would have these conversations with him.
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A gunman fired shots
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at US military personnel on a bus
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outside Frankfurt Airport, Wednesday.
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Two Air Force airmen are dead and two more wounded.
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I'm saddened and I'm outraged by this attack
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that took the lives of two Americans.
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I want everybody to understand
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that we will spare no effort
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in learning how this outrageous act took place.
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And in working with German authorities
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to ensure that all of the perpetrators
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are brought to justice.
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US and German officials say
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they have a better idea now
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who the suspected gunman
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Arid Uka might be.
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He apparently was a prolific Facebook poster.
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He visited a lot of Jihadi websites.
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When asked about the shooting of the airmen, he said, simply,
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"They're at war with us."
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Which tells us something about
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his mindset and possible motive.
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I learned that there was an attack in Frankfurt.
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I went to see Arid's family after the attack happened.
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I asked them if they would speak to me,
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and they said he was a quiet
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but sometimes also very depressed young man
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who had also issues
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trying to find his way in the world.
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His brother told me,
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Arid told him that he was following on Facebook
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somebody who posted a video.
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The video showed an Iraqi woman
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was raped by US soldiers.
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We're searching for evidence.
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We're looking for, what?
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Weapons of mass destruction.
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You ready? Here you go.
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Here you go. Come here, Salazar.
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Come here. Take her fucking hand.
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And a message from the person who posted it,
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"We need to defend the honor of our sisters."
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And I asked him,
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"Do you remember who posted the video?
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Like, who was the person your brother was following?"
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He said, "I think it was somebody,
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something like Dogg, Deso, Deso."
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And I said, "Deso Dogg?
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You mean the former rapper?"
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And he said, "Yes, yes. He was a former rapper."
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And I was actually in shock.
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We see here is a video he posted.
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This young man, followed him, watched the video,
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and was emotionally so upset about this,
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thinking it was reality.
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We know now today it wasn't.
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I spoke to Cuspert about it later.
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I said, "Did you know that the video was not reality,
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that it was actually from a movie?"
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And he didn't know that,
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but he actually felt
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that what Arid Uka did was right.
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And he congratulated "the brother"
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as he called him and said,
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"Because you know, those--" he said, "Those servicemen,
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they were on their way to-- you know,
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they were killing-- they would have killed Muslims,
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so they were not innocent."
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When the thing with the video happened,
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I understood, "Okay.
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He actually crossed that bridge
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into the extremism."
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My name is Kevin Gallagher.
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I'm a special agent with the FBI's
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Washington Field Office.
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My particular squad
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focused primarily on what we refer to
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as terrorist use of the internet,
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which heavily relies on investigations
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into terrorist media organizations
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and their radicalization and recruitment
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of people in the United States.
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Denis Cuspert was an individual
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who I was aware of probably in about 2011,
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2012 timeframe.
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Yes, he was a terrorist,
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but he was also a cult of personality.
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This is an individual who's had contact
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with, you know, American rappers.
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The types of rappers that I grew up in high school
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and college listening to.
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The FBI is interested in--
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what are his communications
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with people in the United States?
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Does he have followers here
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who might have a sleeper cell here?
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At the FBI, we broke up the world
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into various areas of responsibility.
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The German language radicalization movement
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was one of those efforts,
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and that is why the Detroit Field Office
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had the investigation of Denis Cuspert.
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Daniela Greene was assigned to the Detroit Field office
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as a contract linguist.
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Her job was to accurately translate information
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as it was recovered related to communications
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that Denis Cuspert was having,
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not only with people in the United States,
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but all across the world.
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In the FBI, our translators' perspective
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and their professional opinions is highly important
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to the investigative team.
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So she was part of that investigative team,
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and her information and her input was vital
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to tracking Denis Cuspert.
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Tracking is just following their online chatter,
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looking at their propaganda releases
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in various online spaces,
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and also just observing,
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kind of just being like a fly on the wall.
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She was assigned to the case involving Deso Dogg.
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Her goal was to lure him out of Syria into Turkey
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so he would be subject to arrest.
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But I have seen situations in ISIS chat rooms
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where individuals seem to begin to very strongly
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emotionally bond with one another.
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And it does recall more normal circumstances
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like online dating.
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I have seen that type of relationship
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resulting in people being willing
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to make really bad, awful decisions
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because of the social bond that they create online.
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I've seen the tabloids that
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lend to Daniela Greene being a honeypot.
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That couldn't be further from the truth.
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To say that Daniela was not a traditional
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honeypot operation is very true.
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But the reality is,
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I think it was very deliberate
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to use Daniela
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to communicate with Denis Cuspert.
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When people are running intelligence operations,
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they're always thinking about
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what is gonna be the best tactic.
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And I think that in this particular case,
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they recognized that maybe Denis Cuspert
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had a weakness for women.
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♪ upbeat music plays ♪
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♪♪♪
546
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:28,360
He's likely to respond to her
547
00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:30,362
and wanna chat with her, and Skype with her,
548
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:32,990
and maybe send her pictures and tell her secrets.
549
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,367
He's not gonna do that with a dude.
550
00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:36,785
It's just human nature.
551
00:41:38,412 --> 00:41:40,748
Everybody conducts honeypot operations.
552
00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:43,250
The FBI, the CIA,
553
00:41:43,292 --> 00:41:45,753
the Russian Intelligence Services, the Mossad.
554
00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:48,547
Now, I should be clear about that, because the--
555
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:51,926
often, there's confusion about what a honeypot operation is.
556
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,888
A honeypot operation is one
557
00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:59,308
where typically a woman
558
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:01,477
targets a man,
559
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:06,899
plays upon his male vulnerabilities,
560
00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:08,692
flirts with him, seduces him.
561
00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:10,069
♪ With nothing but a piece of rope ♪
562
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:13,113
And gets him to tell her secrets.
563
00:42:13,155 --> 00:42:16,825
♪ Dreaming every night of you ♪
564
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:19,787
As an operative, it was easy for me
565
00:42:19,828 --> 00:42:22,540
to go up and talk to a foreign man
566
00:42:22,581 --> 00:42:24,708
and to express interest.
567
00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:29,922
It is strictly forbidden for CIA officers or FBI agents
568
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:33,050
to have romantic relationships with their targets.
569
00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:35,010
But that does happen.
570
00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:36,428
It's happened throughout history.
571
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:38,180
This was not the first time it happened
572
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:39,974
and it certainly won't be the last.
573
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:49,108
But we have to keep in mind that Daniela
574
00:42:49,149 --> 00:42:52,903
was not a trained CIA operative,
575
00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,613
not a trained recruiter,
576
00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:56,824
nor was she a trained FBI agent.
577
00:42:56,865 --> 00:43:00,953
She was really conscripted as a translator.
578
00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,496
This is an FBI contract employee
579
00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:04,123
with a top secret security clearance.
580
00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:06,834
There's a lot of trust that the government puts
581
00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:08,544
in the people that it hires.
582
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:10,879
These individuals are granted access
583
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:14,800
to some of the United States government's biggest secrets.
584
00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:18,178
What is always the risk in that case
585
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,056
is that there's going to be some real romance
586
00:43:21,098 --> 00:43:22,558
that emerges from that.
587
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:25,644
So the investigative team
588
00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:27,646
was aware of two Skype accounts
589
00:43:27,688 --> 00:43:31,108
that were being utilized by Denis Cuspert
590
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,944
to communicate with his associates.
591
00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:37,740
Daniela Greene created a third Skype account
592
00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:40,951
and had direct communication with Denis Cuspert
593
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:42,494
that was unknown to the investigative team
594
00:43:42,536 --> 00:43:43,996
and that's where she went off the rails.
595
00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:45,205
It's probably...
596
00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:50,294
the most concerning part of that case
597
00:43:50,336 --> 00:43:54,757
is how do we defend ourselves from our own?
598
00:44:07,269 --> 00:44:09,188
You know, other aspects to think about in this case,
599
00:44:09,229 --> 00:44:11,190
her marriage to her first husband
600
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:13,317
who was a US military officer.
601
00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:18,322
How does someone go from an FBI linguist,
602
00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:20,866
to a military wife,
603
00:44:20,908 --> 00:44:22,951
to joining a foreign terrorist organization?
604
00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:24,662
That's a hell of a radicalization path.
605
00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:33,504
I first met Daniela when she was a student
606
00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,090
here at Cameron in Lawton, Oklahoma.
607
00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:41,679
She was extremely intelligent, a hard-worker,
608
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,890
and kinda quiet and very attractive,
609
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:46,767
which I normally wouldn't mention,
610
00:44:46,809 --> 00:44:48,977
but I think, you know, she seemed out of --
611
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:51,063
this guy that she hooked up with,
612
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:53,315
she was way out of his league.
613
00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:56,819
I'm an Air Force wife.
614
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,196
And Daniela was an army wife.
615
00:45:00,489 --> 00:45:03,659
She is married to my brother-in-law, Matt.
616
00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:08,414
Being married to a military man, in my view,
617
00:45:08,455 --> 00:45:10,416
that's like an honor, you know?
618
00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:13,252
Matthew got married to Daniela,
619
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:16,839
who was from Germany, because Matthew was stationed
620
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,968
over in Germany, in the army at the time.
621
00:45:21,009 --> 00:45:24,221
Got this American soldier stationed in Germany,
622
00:45:24,263 --> 00:45:28,350
meets a German girl, and I hope it was true love,
623
00:45:28,392 --> 00:45:31,395
but he must've been her ticket out of Germany.
624
00:45:31,437 --> 00:45:33,772
And I don't mean to be critical or negative of him.
625
00:45:33,814 --> 00:45:35,441
That was just an impression I had.
626
00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:39,778
She's young but she's already married.
627
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:41,447
She's not from around here.
628
00:45:41,488 --> 00:45:43,449
So she gets here not knowing anyone.
629
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,119
I'm sure it was still hard on her,
630
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,288
for her to leave her family.
631
00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:52,291
The military life for the wife, you know,
632
00:45:52,332 --> 00:45:54,001
it's not an easy lifestyle.
633
00:45:54,042 --> 00:45:56,462
Not everybody can handle it.
634
00:45:57,713 --> 00:46:00,132
I met Matt when she graduated.
635
00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:01,842
It didn't seem like a happy couple.
636
00:46:03,886 --> 00:46:05,387
There was kind of a sadness about her.
637
00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:07,848
She just didn't seem happy.
638
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,643
We didn't know what happened to her after that.
639
00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:13,812
And, of course, we found out later
640
00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:16,148
she'd gotten hired by the FBI.
641
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,317
I don't think they cared about her master's degree.
642
00:46:18,358 --> 00:46:20,319
They liked the fact that she was fluent in German.
643
00:46:23,405 --> 00:46:26,784
They had her talking to this recruiter of ISIS.
644
00:46:26,825 --> 00:46:30,287
And with her talking to him, I think she may have started
645
00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:31,705
getting feelings for him.
646
00:46:31,747 --> 00:46:34,249
Because that happens to people, you know?
647
00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:35,751
When you talk to people online,
648
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:37,461
you hear about it all the time.
649
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:39,171
I don't know if she's having problems
650
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,173
with my brother-in-law,
651
00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:43,550
but I think just with her talking to him,
652
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:46,053
she may have seen him in a different light
653
00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:48,138
than what we see him.
654
00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:55,187
I would never have imagined her doing something like this.
655
00:46:57,231 --> 00:46:59,483
I think she's a traitor to our country.
656
00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:20,629
After the terror attack in Frankfurt,
657
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,548
Denis took part in a demonstration
658
00:47:22,548 --> 00:47:25,676
against the Danish cartoons.
659
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:28,679
Demonstrations that got violent.
660
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,181
And a policeman was stabbed there.
661
00:47:32,975 --> 00:47:35,769
But it's a very well-filmed
662
00:47:35,811 --> 00:47:39,022
and well-produced video.
663
00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:41,733
And Denis is sort of like the star of it.
664
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:54,037
That was the last thing that happened.
665
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,539
And because a policeman was injured,
666
00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:58,000
he disappeared then.
667
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,877
One of the interesting aspects
668
00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:04,756
of the German state's role in ISIS
669
00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:08,927
is that German intelligence encouraged German Salafists
670
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:10,762
to go to Syria for a while.
671
00:48:10,804 --> 00:48:13,265
They encouraged and they facilitated it.
672
00:48:14,474 --> 00:48:15,893
So they encouraged people to leave,
673
00:48:15,934 --> 00:48:18,604
sort of to export the problem of these people
674
00:48:18,645 --> 00:48:19,938
like, "Oh, they're gone now.
675
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,773
Let them terrorize people somewhere else."
676
00:48:23,108 --> 00:48:26,486
And he, in fact, resurfaced in Syria.
677
00:48:26,528 --> 00:48:30,490
Which was, I think, surprised a lot of people
678
00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:33,994
because he'd always basically been in Berlin.
679
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,455
He was this boy from Berlin, this guy from Berlin
680
00:48:36,496 --> 00:48:38,248
who we've all known about
681
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,250
through these various episodes of his life.
682
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:50,469
When he joined ISIS,
683
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:52,262
they wanted you to do something.
684
00:48:52,304 --> 00:48:54,222
You could either be a soldier
685
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:58,018
or you became a member of the propaganda team.
686
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,355
He became a member of the propaganda team.
687
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:04,608
Denis Cuspert becomes one of the most
688
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:08,654
prominent ISIS influencers.
689
00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:10,656
But something happened over time.
690
00:49:10,697 --> 00:49:12,366
The propagandists of ISIS
691
00:49:12,407 --> 00:49:14,701
were deeply influenced by Hollywood.
692
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:19,206
Isis had been producing these videos
693
00:49:19,247 --> 00:49:20,457
terrifying people.
694
00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:28,256
Their videos got more and more extravagant,
695
00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:30,592
better production values.
696
00:49:30,634 --> 00:49:33,261
You see a kind of cinematic creativity.
697
00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:42,020
What ISIS did was a totally different level.
698
00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,898
I mean, ISIS created videos
699
00:49:44,898 --> 00:49:46,608
that really looked like
700
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,652
professionally-made Hollywood movies.
701
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,038
ISIS has released a new propaganda video.
702
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,874
This new and very glossy recruitment video
703
00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,626
which looks professionally shot
704
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:07,379
and edited as though ISIS were taking cues
705
00:50:07,421 --> 00:50:10,173
from Hollywood films such as Zero Dark Thirty
706
00:50:10,215 --> 00:50:13,343
and The Hurt Locker to maximize the terror.
707
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:17,055
ISIS' media production facilities
708
00:50:17,097 --> 00:50:19,057
take a direct cue from what has been going on
709
00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:20,600
in the United States for a long time.
710
00:50:20,642 --> 00:50:22,060
They've watched all the war movies.
711
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:23,687
They view the military entertainment complex
712
00:50:23,687 --> 00:50:26,732
as kind of the tail end or the final maturation
713
00:50:26,773 --> 00:50:29,943
of what scholars call "the mediatization of war."
714
00:50:31,236 --> 00:50:34,948
The US government is into our media sphere
715
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:36,283
in every possible way.
716
00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:38,785
The DOD, in 1949, set up
717
00:50:38,827 --> 00:50:41,580
the Entertainment Media Production Office.
718
00:50:41,621 --> 00:50:44,249
And if you wanna make a movie that involves military equipment
719
00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:46,293
or personnel, there's only one place to get it.
720
00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:49,588
You have to hand in your script.
721
00:50:49,629 --> 00:50:51,381
Have them look it over. Review it.
722
00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:55,510
And the Pentagon responds with script change requests.
723
00:50:55,927 --> 00:50:58,680
You make those changes and you get
724
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,558
a sort of clean bill of health from the military
725
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,310
and you get access to the stuff.
726
00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:05,520
And that's the core of this relationship.
727
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,898
But, you know, this is sort of industry-wide.
728
00:51:08,315 --> 00:51:10,192
Really, when we started digging in,
729
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:12,819
we had to make official requests to the US government.
730
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:15,489
You do this through the Freedom of Information Act.
731
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:17,574
And so we started doing this by the hundreds.
732
00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:20,243
It's happened, by our account,
733
00:51:20,285 --> 00:51:23,205
2,500 to 3,000 times that we can confirm.
734
00:51:23,246 --> 00:51:25,624
My expectation was it's gonna be a bunch of war films.
735
00:51:25,665 --> 00:51:28,043
And it's not. Maybe 10%.
736
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:29,669
Pitch Perfect 3,
737
00:51:29,669 --> 00:51:31,755
the military gave them access to bases
738
00:51:31,797 --> 00:51:33,465
and access to troops
739
00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:35,133
and pretty much gave them the whole set.
740
00:51:35,133 --> 00:51:37,636
The military went into sci-fi.
741
00:51:37,677 --> 00:51:41,681
So you see a lot of Transformers and Iron Man.
742
00:51:41,723 --> 00:51:43,767
There are, you know, some hardcore representations
743
00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:47,437
in Iron Man of Afghani terrorists
744
00:51:47,479 --> 00:51:48,939
who are antagonizing Iron Man
745
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:50,857
and killing children and things like that,
746
00:51:50,857 --> 00:51:53,944
that are, you know, DOD-sponsored.
747
00:51:53,985 --> 00:51:56,279
Iron Man and Transformers become this way of talking
748
00:51:56,321 --> 00:51:58,865
about the war, but not really being a war movie.
749
00:51:58,907 --> 00:51:59,950
My turn.
750
00:52:02,744 --> 00:52:04,871
There's an entire apparatus at work.
751
00:52:04,913 --> 00:52:07,499
Not just one individual pulling the strings,
752
00:52:07,541 --> 00:52:11,795
an interaction between two large institutions.
753
00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:13,171
You know, Hollywood's driven by money
754
00:52:13,171 --> 00:52:14,673
and they want the biggest bang for their buck,
755
00:52:14,714 --> 00:52:16,842
and obviously, they're gonna go for this relationship.
756
00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:19,469
And the US government is in it
757
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:22,514
to fill the recruitment quotas.
758
00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:25,851
The military entertainment complex
759
00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:28,812
is going to wanna maximize recruitment.
760
00:52:28,854 --> 00:52:30,188
Top Gun is a good place to go
761
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:31,982
if you wanna talk about recruitment.
762
00:52:32,023 --> 00:52:33,984
Top Gun completely turned the set of images
763
00:52:34,025 --> 00:52:35,944
about what the military is on its head.
764
00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,530
You know, it's not wading through the jungle muck
765
00:52:38,572 --> 00:52:39,906
and watching your friend die.
766
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:41,575
It's about being encased
767
00:52:41,575 --> 00:52:43,410
in this high-tech tube of steel
768
00:52:43,451 --> 00:52:45,203
and rocketing through the atmosphere
769
00:52:45,203 --> 00:52:47,164
and high-fiving your friends.
770
00:52:48,623 --> 00:52:53,086
And ISIS' very powerful and high-production value...
771
00:52:54,462 --> 00:52:56,256
image making factory,
772
00:52:56,298 --> 00:52:58,049
they very well understand that, you know,
773
00:52:58,091 --> 00:53:00,886
this empire over here is doing that very, very well.
774
00:53:00,927 --> 00:53:02,888
Our little empire might try to, you know,
775
00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:05,348
take a cue from them and try it as well.
776
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:09,060
ISIS' military equipment, it's not F-22s,
777
00:53:09,102 --> 00:53:12,105
it's little white pickups with a bunch of AK-47s.
778
00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:13,565
But they've got stuff.
779
00:53:13,607 --> 00:53:15,859
They're using established genres,
780
00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:18,153
they're using established storylines.
781
00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:20,739
Even though they were against the West,
782
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,490
they were, in many ways,
783
00:53:22,532 --> 00:53:26,953
deeply influenced by the West.
784
00:53:26,953 --> 00:53:29,915
So you'll see an ISIS video, if you look at,
785
00:53:29,956 --> 00:53:31,791
like, there's a bunch of horses,
786
00:53:31,791 --> 00:53:35,003
and you slow the video down and you broaden up,
787
00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:38,089
and you see that they're the Riders of Rohan
788
00:53:38,131 --> 00:53:39,549
from Lord of the Rings.
789
00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:43,470
Almost you can say that they were fans.
790
00:53:45,764 --> 00:53:49,017
You can say they're wannabe Tarantinos,
791
00:53:49,059 --> 00:53:51,603
taking this all in,
792
00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:53,605
having it influence them,
793
00:53:53,605 --> 00:53:55,190
and then wanting to put it back
794
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,567
in their own variation
795
00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:59,945
of what they were taking from the West.
796
00:53:59,986 --> 00:54:03,615
But obviously, doing things that Hollywood can't do,
797
00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:06,034
which is actually killing people on-screen.
798
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,794
I spoke to one of the people who--
799
00:54:15,835 --> 00:54:17,629
he was responsible for ISIS' media.
800
00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:20,090
He said sometimes, when they were planning
801
00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:22,759
a beheading, and I'm sorry I have to speak about this,
802
00:54:22,801 --> 00:54:24,135
but I mean, it was unbelievable
803
00:54:24,177 --> 00:54:27,389
that even when they had planned a beheading,
804
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:29,766
they would bring in the camera team.
805
00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:32,852
And the camera team, while this person was kneeling,
806
00:54:32,894 --> 00:54:36,481
while this man was kneeling in front of the person
807
00:54:36,481 --> 00:54:39,526
who was supposed to behead him, they would tell this guy,
808
00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:41,361
"Okay. You have to hold the knife this way.
809
00:54:41,403 --> 00:54:44,239
You have to, you know, wait, turn this way
810
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,283
because the sun is better, the lighting is there."
811
00:55:01,047 --> 00:55:03,633
ISIS propaganda films evolved to a place
812
00:55:03,675 --> 00:55:06,553
where they had a story and a plot.
813
00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:12,517
In some films, they would force their captives
814
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,855
to be actors. They would perform reenactments.
815
00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:25,405
And the prisoners would play themselves
816
00:55:25,447 --> 00:55:28,325
right up to their execution.
817
00:55:39,377 --> 00:55:41,713
ISIS realized that
818
00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:44,424
"media is more than half the battle."
819
00:55:44,466 --> 00:55:47,052
You have these incredible videos
820
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:51,139
released before the fall of Mosul.
821
00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:55,185
You could say an extensive propaganda campaign,
822
00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:58,897
kind of information operations by ISIS,
823
00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:00,523
to prepare the ground
824
00:56:00,565 --> 00:56:02,567
for the taking of the city of Mosul.
825
00:56:02,609 --> 00:56:04,778
And we know for example that the ISIS force
826
00:56:04,819 --> 00:56:09,366
that took Mosul was outnumbered ten to one or more.
827
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:13,370
They just melted away
828
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:15,246
in terror that these guys were in the city
829
00:56:15,288 --> 00:56:16,998
and that they were coming to get them.
830
00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:44,275
The ISIS propaganda apparatus
831
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:47,654
saw that you wanted not one approach,
832
00:56:47,695 --> 00:56:49,364
but many approaches.
833
00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:52,617
So, you know, for example, we in the West often focus
834
00:56:52,659 --> 00:56:54,285
on "the slaughter videos"
835
00:56:54,327 --> 00:56:56,621
and those certainly got a lot of eyeballs,
836
00:56:56,663 --> 00:56:59,124
a lot of attention, a lot of controversy.
837
00:56:59,165 --> 00:57:00,625
But actually, the slaughter videos
838
00:57:00,667 --> 00:57:03,294
are only a small part of what ISIS produced.
839
00:57:03,336 --> 00:57:05,505
ISIS produced lots of other types of videos.
840
00:57:10,718 --> 00:57:12,762
The utopian version of ISIS,
841
00:57:12,804 --> 00:57:14,806
the version they put on their propaganda
842
00:57:14,848 --> 00:57:16,349
and things like that, is they're basically
843
00:57:16,391 --> 00:57:18,977
pitching an American dream, ISIS version.
844
00:57:19,018 --> 00:57:21,229
We'll give you a white picket fence and the house,
845
00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:22,647
and we'll build this great society.
846
00:57:23,148 --> 00:57:26,776
Fifty-three thousand men, women, and children
847
00:57:26,818 --> 00:57:29,946
joined the Islamic State from over 80 countries.
848
00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:31,030
That's a big number.
849
00:57:32,532 --> 00:57:33,825
ISIS' real goal
850
00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:35,618
was this state-building project.
851
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:40,039
They took over large swaths of territory
852
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,499
in Syria and Iraq.
853
00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:46,171
A lot of their propaganda that they were doing,
854
00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:47,964
their videos, their magazines,
855
00:57:48,006 --> 00:57:50,383
was a lot of state-building propaganda.
856
00:57:50,425 --> 00:57:53,887
They collected taxes, they ran the police force.
857
00:57:56,931 --> 00:57:58,349
Come to Syria and Iraq,
858
00:57:58,391 --> 00:57:59,767
we're gonna build a society
859
00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:01,811
and we need you to join.
860
00:58:01,853 --> 00:58:03,688
And you had these charismatic leaders.
861
00:58:03,688 --> 00:58:05,148
Denis is a great example of that.
862
00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:16,826
I don't know what was going on in her head.
863
00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:19,037
I don't know if it was part of her job
864
00:58:19,078 --> 00:58:20,955
to pretend that she was interested
865
00:58:20,997 --> 00:58:24,042
in that part of the messaging of the caliphate.
866
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:25,418
It was definitely something
867
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,295
Daniela was fascinated by,
868
00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:29,339
how equal everything was.
869
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:30,757
That's what I was told
870
00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:32,800
by somebody who was close to her.
871
00:58:35,303 --> 00:58:38,097
Daniela Greene knew what ISIS was.
872
00:58:38,139 --> 00:58:40,391
She knew what ISIS was trying to achieve
873
00:58:40,391 --> 00:58:42,185
and perhaps part of it had to do
874
00:58:42,185 --> 00:58:44,229
with her relationship with Denis Cuspert
875
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:47,398
and her wanting to explore that.
876
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,025
But there's wanting to explore that,
877
00:58:49,067 --> 00:58:51,069
and there's wanting to travel to Syria
878
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:53,488
to join the Islamic State to explore that with someone.
879
00:59:07,252 --> 00:59:10,421
June 11, 2014, Greene told her supervisor
880
00:59:10,463 --> 00:59:12,257
her intentions to travel to Germany
881
00:59:12,298 --> 00:59:14,884
to visit her mother.
882
00:59:14,926 --> 00:59:17,262
There's a normal form that the FBI requires
883
00:59:17,303 --> 00:59:18,638
everyone who's traveling with a top secret clearance
884
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,889
to fill out.
885
00:59:19,889 --> 00:59:21,808
She fills out the form, says she's gonna go to Germany
886
00:59:21,849 --> 00:59:23,893
to see her family, and clearly doesn't.
887
00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:35,446
Daniela Greene fell for him
888
00:59:35,446 --> 00:59:38,116
and really wanted to go and live there in Syria.
889
00:59:38,157 --> 00:59:42,161
The FBI had not realized that she had gone rogue.
890
00:59:42,203 --> 00:59:44,831
I was at home with my family and I received
891
00:59:44,872 --> 00:59:47,792
a phone call from my supervisor at the time.
892
00:59:47,792 --> 00:59:49,919
He informed me that Daniela Greene
893
00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:51,921
had never had any intention to travel to Germany,
894
00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:53,756
but in fact to travel to Syria.
895
00:59:53,798 --> 00:59:55,550
So at the time we started the investigation,
896
00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:57,677
we didn't really understand why she left.
897
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,804
When the investigation really got into it
898
00:59:59,804 --> 01:00:02,849
and we were able to review the Skype conversations
899
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:04,559
that she was having with Denis Cuspert,
900
01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:06,811
what we saw was not just the communications
901
01:00:06,853 --> 01:00:09,147
between one individual and a terrorist,
902
01:00:09,188 --> 01:00:12,108
but the communications between Daniela and another human.
903
01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:13,985
There were pet names that were provided
904
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:15,945
to one another throughout these conversations.
905
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:19,157
We don't know if she was, like, genuinely in love with him
906
01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:22,785
or just kind of lost and decided
907
01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:24,954
that she would take certain risks.
908
01:00:24,996 --> 01:00:30,001
And maybe she was a rogue agent
909
01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:32,462
who thought she was gonna get a promotion
910
01:00:32,462 --> 01:00:35,506
for doing really dangerous work
911
01:00:35,548 --> 01:00:37,842
of being a honey trap.
912
01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:41,846
At that time when Daniela went to meet Denis in Syria,
913
01:00:41,846 --> 01:00:45,475
Turkey was the obvious place to go as a conduit.
914
01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:47,352
You get to Istanbul,
915
01:00:47,393 --> 01:00:49,354
you go down to the border towns,
916
01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:51,606
you kind of wait until someone vouches for you.
917
01:00:52,857 --> 01:00:54,359
In this case, she already had an in.
918
01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:56,027
She had Denis to vouch for her.
919
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:57,278
So that pulls a lot of weight.
920
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,322
And so instead of waiting weeks at a time,
921
01:00:59,364 --> 01:01:00,990
which we saw a number of cases,
922
01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:02,367
you know, she was able to cross very quickly.
923
01:01:03,576 --> 01:01:06,079
Daniela Greene traveled over to Syria
924
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,998
and married Denis Cuspert within a matter of days.
925
01:01:19,008 --> 01:01:22,637
Daniela came to Syria the same day I arrived.
926
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,305
My name is Kim
927
01:01:24,305 --> 01:01:26,182
and I went to Syria
928
01:01:26,224 --> 01:01:30,061
from 2014 until 2020.
929
01:01:30,061 --> 01:01:33,523
And I just got out of jail in August--
930
01:01:33,564 --> 01:01:35,692
the 1st August, this year.
931
01:01:38,986 --> 01:01:42,490
The first time I met Deso, so it was here in Germany.
932
01:01:43,741 --> 01:01:46,661
He was handsome and the people knew about him,
933
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:48,705
everybody knew about him.
934
01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:51,958
I didn't see it like, "Oh, I know Deso Dogg.
935
01:01:51,958 --> 01:01:53,334
I talked with him."
936
01:01:53,334 --> 01:01:55,086
So I was not like, "Oh, my God.
937
01:01:55,128 --> 01:01:56,963
Deso Dogg is in town..."
938
01:01:57,004 --> 01:02:01,718
Throwing my bra at him. No.
939
01:02:01,759 --> 01:02:04,095
But the men were, like, groupies on him.
940
01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:06,305
It was very weird.
941
01:02:06,347 --> 01:02:07,432
I don't know why.
942
01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:14,397
I was over there in ISIS area
943
01:02:14,439 --> 01:02:18,067
with my ex-husband because... problems in Germany.
944
01:02:19,527 --> 01:02:23,239
Here, we have only a lot of problems and shit around,
945
01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:25,783
and the people called my ex-husband also
946
01:02:25,825 --> 01:02:28,494
and told him, "It's great here.
947
01:02:28,536 --> 01:02:30,288
Come over. You'll get houses
948
01:02:30,288 --> 01:02:32,290
and everything will be fine."
949
01:02:32,331 --> 01:02:35,126
They talked about it like it's a fairytale over there,
950
01:02:35,168 --> 01:02:38,463
so it made the decision very easy.
951
01:02:44,385 --> 01:02:48,473
And it wasn't-- it wasn't the real life.
952
01:02:48,514 --> 01:02:52,477
So when I arrived over there, I was completely shocked
953
01:02:52,518 --> 01:02:54,353
because it wasn't like this.
954
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,356
The foreign people,
955
01:02:57,398 --> 01:02:59,984
they were more harsh than Arabic people.
956
01:02:59,984 --> 01:03:01,986
German people,
957
01:03:02,028 --> 01:03:05,448
yes, they were very harsh to the --
958
01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:07,950
to the local people.
959
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:11,120
They were weird people with not a lot of friends.
960
01:03:12,497 --> 01:03:16,167
In Syria, they got power.
961
01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:20,129
In the beginning when I met Daniela,
962
01:03:20,171 --> 01:03:23,090
she seemed like a nice, polite person,
963
01:03:23,132 --> 01:03:25,301
very quiet and calm.
964
01:03:25,343 --> 01:03:27,637
But also a little bit weird
965
01:03:27,678 --> 01:03:32,183
because I asked her about how long she is in Islam
966
01:03:32,225 --> 01:03:35,061
and she said, "Not that long. Maybe few weeks, few months."
967
01:03:35,102 --> 01:03:37,355
And she doesn't know how to pray.
968
01:03:37,396 --> 01:03:41,734
Daniela, she was doing a lot of stupid shit, dumb shit,
969
01:03:41,734 --> 01:03:46,113
and she was putting her ass in danger.
970
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:50,368
ISIS was at the height of its power
971
01:03:50,409 --> 01:03:53,204
when Daniela Greene showed up in Syria
972
01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,206
to marry Denis.
973
01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:58,668
But it's not like a stable environment
974
01:03:58,709 --> 01:04:01,379
to have a honeymoon with your boyfriend.
975
01:04:01,420 --> 01:04:03,840
People like Denis were going back and forth
976
01:04:03,881 --> 01:04:07,760
between the front in Iraq and then back to Syria.
977
01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:10,137
And so she's left with a bunch of other women
978
01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:13,015
who aren't particularly well-inclined toward her
979
01:04:13,057 --> 01:04:15,852
because she's sketchy.
980
01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:17,854
She wanted to know everything about everybody
981
01:04:17,895 --> 01:04:20,022
and she was checking on the window.
982
01:04:20,064 --> 01:04:22,358
She was looking inside of the room,
983
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,821
in the cupboards, and she was, like, spying around.
984
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,906
It got very dangerous for her.
985
01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:32,702
I don't understand why she put herself in more trouble.
986
01:06:22,311 --> 01:06:26,148
He helped her because I think he didn't want
987
01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:28,776
to get her killed if ISIS catches her.
988
01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:33,447
The fact that Daniela Greene
989
01:06:33,489 --> 01:06:37,868
was able to leave is very, very interesting.
990
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:40,871
If the version of what the people
991
01:06:40,871 --> 01:06:44,041
who were close to him--
992
01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:45,751
what they told me is true,
993
01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:47,545
he was able to get her out
994
01:06:47,545 --> 01:06:49,964
even though so many people were suspicious of her.
995
01:06:49,964 --> 01:06:52,466
People say that he loved her as well,
996
01:06:52,466 --> 01:06:56,929
which is why after she told him, supposedly,
997
01:06:56,929 --> 01:07:00,307
that she worked for the FBI, he still allowed her to--
998
01:07:00,307 --> 01:07:02,727
or helped her to-- to return
999
01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:05,187
to Turkey-- to cross into Turkey
1000
01:07:05,229 --> 01:07:06,939
because he didn't want her to get killed.
1001
01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:16,490
My name is Volkmar Kabisch.
1002
01:07:16,532 --> 01:07:19,827
I am working for the German public broadcaster, NDR,
1003
01:07:19,869 --> 01:07:22,288
and I was quite often in Syria, Iraq
1004
01:07:22,329 --> 01:07:24,457
since 2014.
1005
01:07:24,498 --> 01:07:27,293
I was interested in what happened
1006
01:07:27,334 --> 01:07:30,421
to people joining ISIS.
1007
01:07:30,463 --> 01:07:32,131
I made films about this.
1008
01:07:42,475 --> 01:07:44,643
Fared Saal was pretty much involved
1009
01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:48,689
in the German Islamist scene for quite a long time
1010
01:07:48,731 --> 01:07:49,857
before joining ISIS.
1011
01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:53,903
And Denis Cuspert did the same and they met in Syria.
1012
01:07:54,945 --> 01:07:57,990
And Denis was, like, the big shot
1013
01:07:58,032 --> 01:08:00,409
and Fared was
1014
01:08:00,451 --> 01:08:03,537
not that famous as Denis.
1015
01:08:03,579 --> 01:08:05,831
But Denis wanted him to be more famous,
1016
01:08:05,873 --> 01:08:09,543
so Denis planned
1017
01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:11,337
a public relation act,
1018
01:08:11,378 --> 01:08:15,925
which was filming very brutal ISIS video.
1019
01:08:53,712 --> 01:08:56,715
There was a video full of dead bodies,
1020
01:08:56,757 --> 01:08:57,842
Syrian bodies.
1021
01:08:57,883 --> 01:09:00,427
And Fared Saal was standing just next to them,
1022
01:09:00,427 --> 01:09:03,305
and he was there together with Denis
1023
01:09:03,347 --> 01:09:04,431
who filmed him.
1024
01:09:04,473 --> 01:09:06,225
So he was the director.
1025
01:09:08,477 --> 01:09:12,898
And it was all about public relation.
1026
01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:16,402
Denis was still important.
1027
01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:20,239
The propaganda team had quite a lot of power.
1028
01:09:20,281 --> 01:09:26,370
They were seen as important as the fighters for ISIS.
1029
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:30,708
But it didn't mean that you wouldn't have to also
1030
01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:33,377
kill somebody if they asked you to.
1031
01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:37,256
I believe the fact that he stayed there for so long
1032
01:09:37,256 --> 01:09:41,886
is that he-- if they would've asked him
1033
01:09:41,927 --> 01:09:44,054
to kill somebody, he would've killed somebody.
1034
01:09:44,054 --> 01:09:45,514
Yeah.
1035
01:10:31,352 --> 01:10:33,562
I've had a lot of FBI cases come across my desk
1036
01:10:33,562 --> 01:10:34,980
and I've seen quite a lot in the 15 years
1037
01:10:35,022 --> 01:10:36,607
that I've worked at the FBI.
1038
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:38,609
But I had never seen something like this.
1039
01:10:38,651 --> 01:10:40,736
I remember meeting her at Dulles Airport
1040
01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,946
upon her arrival
1041
01:10:41,987 --> 01:10:44,114
and her being placed in custody.
1042
01:10:44,156 --> 01:10:45,783
I introduced myself to her,
1043
01:10:45,824 --> 01:10:46,951
said, "My name is Kevin Gallagher.
1044
01:10:46,992 --> 01:10:48,619
I'm a special agent with the FBI."
1045
01:10:48,661 --> 01:10:52,039
And she looked me in the eye and she said, "I know you."
1046
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,832
I came to learn that her and I
1047
01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:56,043
are actually in a training course in 2012.
1048
01:10:58,212 --> 01:11:00,130
My name is Shawn Moore.
1049
01:11:00,172 --> 01:11:03,801
I was the attorney for Daniela Greene.
1050
01:11:03,842 --> 01:11:05,928
I was a public defender
1051
01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:09,431
doing cases here in DC ,
1052
01:11:09,473 --> 01:11:11,642
and it was in the courtroom that I first met her.
1053
01:11:13,018 --> 01:11:16,397
They kept her at a hotel near Dulles
1054
01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:19,441
for a couple of days, interviewing her.
1055
01:11:19,483 --> 01:11:23,112
It wasn't as if I met her immediately upon her arrival.
1056
01:11:23,153 --> 01:11:26,073
The prosecutors approached me and said,
1057
01:11:26,115 --> 01:11:29,368
"Look, she's facing a considerable amount of time,
1058
01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:31,829
she could help herself if she could help us."
1059
01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:35,708
The charges against Daniela ,
1060
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:39,461
it involved making a false statement
1061
01:11:39,503 --> 01:11:42,089
to the government, but there was an enhancement
1062
01:11:42,131 --> 01:11:45,175
because the false statements also involved terrorism.
1063
01:11:45,217 --> 01:11:48,887
Initially, when she started doing the translating,
1064
01:11:48,887 --> 01:11:50,597
she was following the line
1065
01:11:50,639 --> 01:11:54,685
in trying to help lure him to a place
1066
01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:57,146
where he could be arrested.
1067
01:11:57,187 --> 01:12:01,608
Now, aside from the romantic conversations with Cuspert,
1068
01:12:01,650 --> 01:12:03,694
I don't know too much about that
1069
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:06,572
and whether that was true or false or what.
1070
01:12:06,572 --> 01:12:09,908
But my impression was that
1071
01:12:09,908 --> 01:12:12,453
because it wasn't working,
1072
01:12:12,494 --> 01:12:14,204
she became frustrated
1073
01:12:14,204 --> 01:12:17,624
and she decided to take things into her own hands
1074
01:12:17,666 --> 01:12:21,003
and she got into something way, way over her head.
1075
01:12:21,045 --> 01:12:23,589
You have a high-ranking FBI employee
1076
01:12:23,589 --> 01:12:26,550
who had knowledge that would've been restricted
1077
01:12:26,592 --> 01:12:29,178
and that right there is enough to be criminal
1078
01:12:29,219 --> 01:12:30,971
in terms of the Espionage Act.
1079
01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:32,389
That law was passed
1080
01:12:32,431 --> 01:12:34,808
for the sake of chomping down on people
1081
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:36,560
who walk away with secrets.
1082
01:12:36,602 --> 01:12:38,479
The Espionage Act does not require you
1083
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,106
to go online and distribute information.
1084
01:12:41,148 --> 01:12:43,650
It's enough to make information available.
1085
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:45,027
And her knowing information
1086
01:12:45,069 --> 01:12:47,321
and going to ISIS-held Syria
1087
01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:49,907
would've been a slam dunk court case.
1088
01:12:49,948 --> 01:12:51,992
And these are, like, stiff sentences.
1089
01:12:51,992 --> 01:12:54,870
It's, like, ten years per count.
1090
01:12:54,912 --> 01:12:57,915
After she was arraigned and brought to jail,
1091
01:12:57,915 --> 01:13:01,085
we immediately went to an offsite.
1092
01:13:01,126 --> 01:13:03,087
We spent with her over the course
1093
01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:05,130
of the next 24 hours, probably about 12 hours,
1094
01:13:05,172 --> 01:13:06,423
interviewing her,
1095
01:13:06,423 --> 01:13:08,425
triaging that with focusing on any potential threats
1096
01:13:08,467 --> 01:13:09,802
to the United States.
1097
01:13:09,843 --> 01:13:13,764
At no point did we feel that she withheld information
1098
01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:15,724
from the United States government.
1099
01:13:15,766 --> 01:13:17,726
And based on the information that we received
1100
01:13:17,726 --> 01:13:19,061
in the sentencing memo,
1101
01:13:19,103 --> 01:13:20,771
the Assistant United States Attorney
1102
01:13:20,813 --> 01:13:23,440
identifies that Daniela Greene came very close
1103
01:13:23,482 --> 01:13:26,443
to skirting the line of far more serious charges.
1104
01:13:26,485 --> 01:13:29,113
Ultimately, she pleaded guilty
1105
01:13:29,113 --> 01:13:31,698
and was given a sentence of two years.
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01:13:31,698 --> 01:13:34,159
She was obviously relieved.
1107
01:13:38,831 --> 01:13:42,292
But it's almost as if she was
1108
01:13:42,334 --> 01:13:44,128
still kind of in a state of shock
1109
01:13:44,169 --> 01:13:47,256
about what everything that had happened.
1110
01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:50,676
But that said, throughout this, she was always concerned
1111
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:52,302
about how much of this was going to get out
1112
01:13:52,344 --> 01:13:53,554
and if so, when.
1113
01:14:06,483 --> 01:14:07,985
I've been in the hotel business
1114
01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:09,987
for approximately 30 years
1115
01:14:09,987 --> 01:14:11,738
and there was a great opportunity
1116
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:15,159
for me to transfer to a big brand new hotel
1117
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,203
in downtown Syracuse as director of sales and marketing.
1118
01:14:19,329 --> 01:14:20,664
Each night after work,
1119
01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:22,207
I would go to the concierge lounge
1120
01:14:22,249 --> 01:14:24,126
and kind of unwind a little bit,
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01:14:24,168 --> 01:14:26,170
have a nice cold beer and eat some dim sum.
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01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:29,298
And Daniela was the hostess there.
1123
01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,176
When I first met Daniela,
1124
01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,553
she was quite an attractive woman
1125
01:14:34,595 --> 01:14:38,265
with European characteristics, straight blonde hair
1126
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,602
and a slight little German tint of an accent
1127
01:14:41,643 --> 01:14:42,644
to her voice.
1128
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:47,399
She was well-poised and was obviously in quite command
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01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,359
of the job that she was doing.
1130
01:14:49,401 --> 01:14:52,279
She was a person that I saw as immediately overqualified
1131
01:14:52,321 --> 01:14:53,739
for the position she had.
1132
01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:55,199
So right away, I started thinking,
1133
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,659
"Gee, where can she fit? Where does she want to go?"
1134
01:15:00,204 --> 01:15:02,539
I walked into the lounge one day
1135
01:15:02,581 --> 01:15:04,833
and Daniela was obviously upset
1136
01:15:04,875 --> 01:15:07,044
and she was really very shaken.
1137
01:15:07,085 --> 01:15:09,963
I knew that she was previously married.
1138
01:15:10,005 --> 01:15:13,383
She was separated from her husband, Matt.
1139
01:15:13,425 --> 01:15:15,344
It was really very tough.
1140
01:15:15,385 --> 01:15:19,056
She was going-- obviously going through a transitional period
1141
01:15:19,097 --> 01:15:20,140
in her life.
1142
01:15:21,475 --> 01:15:23,268
I asked her what the problem was
1143
01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:26,104
and she just blew it off a little bit and said,
1144
01:15:26,146 --> 01:15:28,732
"Gee, it's just something that happened
1145
01:15:28,774 --> 01:15:32,152
in my previous life that I'm really sorry about
1146
01:15:32,194 --> 01:15:34,029
and I really regret."
1147
01:15:36,156 --> 01:15:38,242
It's preposterous to me that she only spent
1148
01:15:38,283 --> 01:15:39,409
two years in prison.
1149
01:15:39,451 --> 01:15:43,914
The fact that she went rogue in this fashion,
1150
01:15:43,956 --> 01:15:45,707
that they had no idea where she was,
1151
01:15:45,749 --> 01:15:49,294
that she was essentially
1152
01:15:49,336 --> 01:15:52,130
operating against the Bureau
1153
01:15:52,172 --> 01:15:54,007
without their knowledge of it,
1154
01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:56,218
it's very embarrassing for the FBI.
1155
01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:58,262
The US government and the FBI,
1156
01:15:58,262 --> 01:16:02,266
they don't want the press questioning Daniela.
1157
01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:06,728
They don't want her side of the story to get out.
1158
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:11,733
The FBI would have preferred if no one knew about this case,
1159
01:16:11,733 --> 01:16:14,861
if it just kind of got brushed under the carpet.
1160
01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:16,905
♪♪♪
1161
01:16:26,206 --> 01:16:28,917
A bizarre story that really does sound like something
1162
01:16:28,959 --> 01:16:30,961
straight out of Homeland or a terrorism movie.
1163
01:16:31,003 --> 01:16:33,088
It's an FBI translator
1164
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:37,092
who was investigating an ISIS fighter in 2014
1165
01:16:37,134 --> 01:16:39,595
and then fled the United States for Syria
1166
01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:41,388
and married him.
1167
01:16:41,388 --> 01:16:43,724
Love can make us do strange things.
1168
01:16:43,765 --> 01:16:46,602
The story of an FBI translator
1169
01:16:46,602 --> 01:16:48,770
who married an ISIS terrorist.
1170
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,189
It's a story almost too preposterous to be true.
1171
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:53,942
The FBI translator who runs off to the Middle East
1172
01:16:53,984 --> 01:16:56,320
to marry the terrorist she was tracking
1173
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,572
from the Detroit FBI Field Office.
1174
01:16:58,572 --> 01:17:00,198
Drew, this is an incredible story.
1175
01:17:00,198 --> 01:17:02,618
What's the FBI saying about how it happened?
1176
01:17:02,659 --> 01:17:04,119
Greene, who still had an American husband
1177
01:17:04,161 --> 01:17:05,412
at the time, wrote an email...
1178
01:17:05,454 --> 01:17:07,789
You know, was having an affair with an ISIS operative.
1179
01:17:07,831 --> 01:17:10,500
Given that Cuspert knew she worked for the FBI.
1180
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:12,336
The case got zero publicity for months
1181
01:17:12,377 --> 01:17:14,421
because the records were sealed by the court
1182
01:17:14,463 --> 01:17:17,049
and critics say Greene got off with a light sentence,
1183
01:17:17,049 --> 01:17:18,592
two years and probation,
1184
01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:21,011
because she cooperated with the FBI.
1185
01:17:21,053 --> 01:17:23,347
And like we said in our report, most people facing
1186
01:17:23,388 --> 01:17:25,307
these type of charges are getting
1187
01:17:25,349 --> 01:17:28,810
much more severe sentences than this former FBI employee.
1188
01:17:30,812 --> 01:17:32,522
Daniela got a great deal.
1189
01:17:32,564 --> 01:17:34,941
It seems that the government is protecting itself
1190
01:17:34,941 --> 01:17:36,026
by protecting her.
1191
01:17:36,068 --> 01:17:38,195
She's back in the US with her ex-husband,
1192
01:17:38,236 --> 01:17:39,529
Sergeant Matthew Greene,
1193
01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:41,740
and after serving a short sentence,
1194
01:17:41,782 --> 01:17:43,492
she's now working at the Home Depot.
1195
01:17:44,951 --> 01:17:46,495
So in 2014, you have to remember,
1196
01:17:46,536 --> 01:17:48,747
our intelligence on ISIS was good,
1197
01:17:48,789 --> 01:17:50,040
but it wasn't great.
1198
01:17:50,082 --> 01:17:51,625
We knew the top leadership.
1199
01:17:51,667 --> 01:17:54,086
We could have a general sense of the structure,
1200
01:17:54,127 --> 01:17:57,339
but anyone who could light up the network,
1201
01:17:57,381 --> 01:17:59,883
who goes where, what do you do in there,
1202
01:17:59,925 --> 01:18:02,094
that is immensely valuable.
1203
01:18:02,135 --> 01:18:04,179
Her cooperation was extensive.
1204
01:18:04,179 --> 01:18:07,224
It provided information about ISIS
1205
01:18:07,265 --> 01:18:09,726
that we hadn't seen to date
1206
01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:12,270
and we had eyes on the ground.
1207
01:18:12,312 --> 01:18:13,897
While that was not our intention,
1208
01:18:13,897 --> 01:18:16,692
it was a byproduct of the situation
1209
01:18:16,733 --> 01:18:18,151
that we were presented.
1210
01:18:18,193 --> 01:18:20,529
Maybe she's savvier than we all think
1211
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,657
and she was able to negotiate that deal
1212
01:18:23,699 --> 01:18:27,828
by providing very specific information.
1213
01:18:27,869 --> 01:18:30,914
The FBI agents, they were very interested
1214
01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:35,085
in locations of houses, where he stayed.
1215
01:18:35,127 --> 01:18:37,713
She provided as much information as she could
1216
01:18:37,754 --> 01:18:39,881
about what Cuspert was doing,
1217
01:18:39,923 --> 01:18:41,758
led me to believe that they were trying
1218
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,010
to get information to target him.
1219
01:18:50,475 --> 01:18:52,102
Last night on my orders,
1220
01:18:52,144 --> 01:18:54,229
America's armed forces began strikes
1221
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:56,022
against ISIL targets in Syria.
1222
01:19:11,121 --> 01:19:15,792
Wars succeed by this drumbeat of propaganda,
1223
01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:18,712
to feel people encouraged,
1224
01:19:18,754 --> 01:19:22,924
to inspire, and to terrify, has real meaning.
1225
01:19:22,966 --> 01:19:27,137
To move the heart is power.
1226
01:21:16,705 --> 01:21:18,081
Thank you.
1227
01:21:18,123 --> 01:21:19,833
Thank you too.
1228
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,835
-That's good? - That's great. Yes.
1229
01:21:21,877 --> 01:21:24,129
-Thank you. -Thank you. Thank you.
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