All language subtitles for 250113 Saint Germain Gaia LEAVING Geoffrey Hoppe

I was coming home on a flight
one night from a business

meeting, and suddenly I hear
this voice, and it's like, I am

Tobias. I'm like, looking around
like, what? Nobody was sitting

next to me. And suddenly I heard
the voice again, and said, I am

Tobias. I'm here to work with
you. So for the next year, every

night on my way home from work,
he would come in and we would

talk, and basically he took me
through what I call my spiritual

boot camp. And you know, one of
the factors right now is that

Gaia is leaving, and this pisses
a lot of people off, too. Oh no,

no, Gaia. How could Gaia be
leaving? Well, because it's it's

our time to take the
responsibility for the planet.

All these things are happening
right now. The planet is

basically going into its
enlightenment. Humanity is and

some will choose not to, some
will choose to stay in the old

power games, and we're seeing it
acted out on the world stage

right now. But the time is
coming for an end to that.

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Jeff Hoppe, a warm welcome to
the show.

Thank you so much. It's an honor
to be here, and I was reading up

on your show beforehand, looking
some of the other interviews.

Very impressive. I mean, I'm
really impressed. So you do a

great job, and apparently you've
been doing it for a while. So

congratulations. And it's so
important for all of us right

now to be sharing that light
around the world. I mean,

there's a lot going on. So thank
you for having me.

Well, thank you so much. I'm
really honored to have you. I've

heard of you for many, many
years, especially around in

Norway, because I know you've
been several times in Norway

with your wife, doing workshops,
and I'm Norwegian, and you're an

author. You're channeling Saint
ahmadia, Saint Germain and

Tobias. There's a powerful story
about meeting that angel on an

airplane, and you're doing
amazing work, especially in this

shift of consciousness that we
find ourselves in.

Yeah, we've been around for,
gosh, 25 years, so it's been a

long time. And initially, you
know, it started out a little

slow, which was fine, because I
was still in the corporate

world, and then it just exploded
to the point where we dedicated

a lot of our time and effort to
it over the years. But I've

loved doing it.

Yes, I've heard many times
people, especially in Norway,

referring to you, and I know
you're also an author, and you

are channeling Saint Germain and
an angel called Tobias. And I

think another one that I cannot
pronounce the name of that last

one, kuthumi, laosa.

Oh, yes, yeah, I love channeling
him. I don't get to channel him

very often, usually it's Adamus,
Saint Germain, and he uses the

name ADAMUS when channeling
through me, just to

differentiate from the other
Saint Germain channelers from

the past or currently So. And
ADAMUS is very, very

provocative, very outspoken,
which sometimes is good,

sometimes it's bad,

interesting. I'd love to get
into that, but before we do, I

just gotta hear the story of how
Tobias came to you, because I

went into your website to read
more about your story, and I was

amazed hearing that you were a
businessman, even worked for

NASA and were traveling all
around the world and on an

airplane, this angel approached
you, and for everybody new to

your story and myself, who would
love the details, could you

please tell us what happened?

Sure, and I'll try to make it
succinct, because I can talk for

hours and hours about it, but so
I was in the corporate world. I

had a marketing consulting
company in Dallas, Texas. Was

running that with my wife,
Linda, and then, in the

meantime, I also had a startup
company in the aviation

business. We had developed a
technology for air to ground

communications using cellular
frequencies. So it was very,

very busy. It was a it was, you
know, the what we developed in

that company was now the
internet that's on airplanes.

So, you know, if you use the
internet or phone or whatever on

an airplane, that's what we
developed. So it's very, very

busy. We were trying to raise
money for our startup company.

It was hard, hard work. And on
top of that, all the major phone

companies in United States
teamed up against us and filed

lawsuits with the Federal Trade
Commission, or federal FCC,

Federal Communications
Commission. So it was, I would

just work. Can my brains out.
And I was coming home on a

flight one night from a business
meeting, and suddenly I hear

this voice, and it's like, I am
Tobias. I'm looking around like,

what? Nobody was sitting next to
me. Nobody was standing up in

the aisle. It was just, I am
Tobias. And, okay, just, you

know, go back to sleep. I always
kind of had my head up against

the bulkhead and go back to
sleep, and suddenly I heard the

voice again, and said, I am
Tobias. I'm here to work with

you. And for a moment, I
thought, you know, I'm just

going nuts, because it was a
very clear voice, you know,

sometimes you get voices in your
head, but this was a very, very

clear voice outside of me. And
then my first reaction, which

was kind of funny, was, I don't
need any more work. I'm so busy

right now. What do you mean?
You're here to work with me. And

anyway, so the bottom line is, I
thought, okay, whatever. And I

just stopped and took a couple
deep breaths and listened, and

we had this amazing conversation
for the next hour until the

plane landed. And I don't recall
the conversation other than it

was, it was beautiful. I mean,
he must have taken me into some

other realms, or whatever. And
we landed, and I thought that

was the most incredible
experience I've ever had in my

life. I mean, I'm talking to
this I didn't even know who he

was. I had no idea who he was,
but I'm talking to this voice,

and he takes me on this journey.
And then the funny thing was,

the next day, I woke up and
remembered the conversation, I

remembered the flight, and I got
really depressed, and I got

angry, actually, and I thought,
you know, I am working too hard.

I just have to get focused back
on work. I have to stop this

nonsense that's going on, you
know, I'm just distracting

myself. And I was really kind of
upset with myself for, you know,

for not staying focused on my
work. About a week later, I was

driving home one night from
work. I had a long drive. And he

came back in and said, Okay,
we're going to get started. And

I was, I was like, What the hell
is going on with this? So for

the next year, every night on my
way home from work, he would

come in and we would talk. It
was, it was about a 45 minute

drive, so it was perfect time.
And basically he took me through

what I call my spiritual basic
training, my spiritual boot

camp. And what he really did was
taught me how to feel, to sense

things. He didn't talk a lot
about metaphysical philosophy,

or anything like that, or
spirituality. He taught me how

to feel. And it was it was
amazing. I loved it. I looked

forward most of the time just to
the ride home, but sometimes he

absolutely pissed me off. He'd
say things that just went

against everything I knew or
believed in. But we worked

through it. And then, after a
year, my wife Linda knew

something was kind of askew with
me something kind of strange. So

after a year, I thought I need
to tell her, because she knows

that something's odd here, and
I'd also become kind of distant,

I guess you would call it,
because it was so into this

amazing venture with Tobias, I
wasn't talking as much as I used

to, and I was just kind of into
myself. And so I finally said, I

gotta tell her so she knows
what's going on. And sat her

down one night and said, Linda,
I need need to talk to you about

something. And I was nervous,
because how do you tell your

wife about all this crazy stuff,
you know? And I said, I need to

tell you about something. And
she sat down, and she had that

kind of worried look on her
face. And I said, well, I need

to tell you about a friend of
mine. Well, of course, I had

thought from a woman's
standpoint, and suddenly she was

like, what, what? And no, no,
no, no, that's not like that,

Linda, I said he's an old dead
Jew. And Linda, then was kind of

relieved, I guess. And then I
explained it altar, and she was

fine with it. I guess that setup
of her thinking it was another

person, you know, made her
relieved that it was just an old

dead Jew, Tobias. So that's kind
of how I got started. And, you

know, after that, we we had some
friends that were kind of into

New Age stuff, and we talked to
them about it, and pretty soon

we were doing, like, every month
or so, we'd do a little

gathering at our house, like,
with a dozen people, and you'd

have dinner, and then I'd do a
channel, and then it just

exploded in about, I think,
about 2001 it just, it just

exploded. And we finally started
a website just for so the local

people could have access to the
to the transcripts that we did

and but then it went viral and
started going around. The world.

At that point in my startup
company was starting to do good.

We were raising money. We got
Goldman Sachs to invest a lot, a

lot a lot of money, and it was
doing good. And then I got fired

from my own company, yeah, but
it was the best thing that ever

happened to me, because it was,
it was wearing me out. It was,

had been fun up for up to a
while, but then it was just it

wasn't fun anymore. And and I
got a nice severance package, of

course, and so I didn't have to
do anything. I thought, Okay,

I'm just going to semi retire
here. And the next thing, the

phone started ringing. I swear,
within two weeks, the phone

started ringing. The first call
was from England, and somebody

said, Oh, we we found out about
your materials. Would you come

over and do a workshop? That's
like, well, we've never done a

workshop before, but sure, we'll
give it a try. And that started

the big adventure, traveling in
almost 175,000 kilometers a

year, and we went to 38
different countries along the

way, did workshops and seminars,
and it's been amazing. It's just

grown and grown over the years.
And we don't do any marketing.

We don't do any, you know, kind
of outreach, or that people find

their way to the Crimson Circle.

That is amazing. There's so many
things here. I loved that you

shared so many details about
your experience, and you

answered a lot of my questions,
because it seems like the

universe has a hand in this,
like you get fired, and then the

this phone call comes, and often
we can think, oh, no, I got

fired. You know? Why is the
universe against me? But then we

see, you know, when we practice
more surrender that, oh my

goodness. I mean, it is for me
like you could have never have

done this working in the
business world, it would have

been too much, you know. And
it's interesting, because I've

heard of you for years, and now
a lot of people are channeling

like something is going on, so
many people are opening up to

their gifts. And then I get
curious, since you have been

channeling for so long, being in
contact with these higher

beings, what have they said
about these times, like, like,

2420 25 did they predict it?
Like, have you guys been

prepared for this in a way?

Yeah, in a way. So when I first
started publicly channeling was

with Tobias, and I didn't know
anything about Tobias. And oddly

enough, I never even asked right
away, you know, who the hell are

you? But along the way,
somewhere, I was like, Wow, I

wonder who this Tobias character
is. And he said, I'm your

father. And I really upset me,
because my my father had just

passed away not too long before
that, and there wasn't any

relationship between Tobias and
my father and but, but they got

me upset. And then I started
doing research, and I started

asking around and looking
around, and I finally found

Tobias in the it was in the
apocryphal books of the Bible, a

book called The Book of Tobit,
or Tobias. And I think in Norway

you, you have a Tobias there
too, like, like a saint or

something a different one. But,
and I read the story of the Book

of Tobit, a beautiful, beautiful
story of how Tobias was. He was

Jewish, enslaved by some other
country at the time, but he was,

he worked as a buyer for the
king, so he was responsible for

buying even though he was a
slave. You know, wasn't like

slavery as we know it now. And
but one day, he was blinded when

a bird pooped in his eye. And
and, yeah, and then he had to

send his young son, Tobias
Junior, out on a journey to

recover money for him that
somebody was holding they didn't

have banks back then. And there,
the story picks up with young

Tobias, accompanied by Archangel
Raphael, going on this long,

beautiful, beautiful journey to
recover the father's money and

comes back, has now found a
potion to heal his father's

eyes, and they live happily ever
after. So I discovered Tobias,

and then, all sudden, it made
sense, Father, he was my father

in that lifetime, and it's so
beautiful. It's one of one of my

favorite stories, obviously. So
I channeled Tobias for 10 years,

and his job was to gather
everybody together. He kind of

put out a clarion call, you
know, like, like arcane Joe

Gabrielle would do, but he put
out this call, and people just

started flooding into Crimson
Circle. And the weird thing we

noticed right away was like,
even though it was from all over

the world, it was like people
knew each other. I mean, there

was a bond right away. So it
wasn't just like a like a group

of DeSoto. Appreciated people,
and there are people that have

been with us ever since as part
of this work. And his job was to

gather us together, but also to
basically say you're not crazy.

You know, you think you're
crazy, you got all this stuff

going on in your head, but
you're not crazy. So he really

helped us heal a lot of wounds,
to realize that we're here for a

very, very important time on the
planet, which is right now. And

then he left after 10 years,
which was kind of weird, you

know, suddenly, okay, bye, bye.
I'm leaving now. And, you know,

at that point I thought, okay,
my channeling career is done and

it's over with and but it was
fine. It was fun. I had a great

time. But then Saint Germain
came in under the name of

Adamus, Saint Germain, and he
wanted to use the ADAMUS to

specifically differentiate
himself from the other Saint

Germain materials that are out
there. So he came in and his job

was now, okay, we're going to go
into realization. You know,

we're going to go from your
awakening into your realization,

and then staying on the planet
as embodied Masters. Because

this right now is the time that
you just mentioned. This is the

time frame, and I'm telling
answering a long answer to your

question, but right now, is it?
I mean, so we spent the last 25

years preparing for it, getting
over our wounds, getting over

karma and everything like that,
coming into mastery or

realization, and now ultimately
staying on the planet for the

sole purpose, not to sober The
main purpose of allowing our

light to illuminate without any
agenda, without saying, you

know, I want this politician or
that politician without not even

world peace or anything like
that, absolute pure light

without agenda. And what light
does is it illuminates

potentials. You know, it's like
lighting a candle in a dark

room. Suddenly you can see and
with that light that all of us

are bringing in, and the work
you're doing in your show is

opening potentials for humanity
that they might not have

otherwise seen and potentials
for for things like peace and

equality, financial equality and
racial equality, and everything

else but the shining the light
is without that agenda. It's up

to the people what they want to
choose. So right now is the

absolute pinnacle time. And
probably I would say it really

stuck. I mean, it's we've been
leading up to it for a while,

but we It started about two
years ago, and in this epic time

is going to go for another
couple years, because we have

this convergence of things on
the planet right now. We've got,

we've got technology, which is
artificial intelligence is

changing the world. And a lot of
people, they say, I'm not

technical. I really don't like
the AI. It has nothing to do

with technology. It is
absolutely about the speed of

change, or the speed of light,
and that's essentially what AI

is doing. It's dramatically
increasing what I would call the

speed, not not literally speed,
but the infusion of light under

the planet. And this is going to
create major, major changes in

over the next, you know, couple
of decades, but particularly

right in front of us in the
about the next 10 years, there's

nothing ever been done like it.
ADAMUS talks about the fact

that, you know, the changes
occurred very, very slowly for a

long time. Geez. You know what?
In the early 1700s there was

invention of the sewing machine,
and then the steam engine, and

then not a lot. But now, you
know, we can't even keep up with

the changes. They're they're
happening so quickly, and it's

going to ultimately have a huge
impact on the planet. And I'm

going to jump into something
that would maybe take hours to

explain, but at a certain point
here, let's say, within the next

10 years, there's going to be
kind of a, what you call light

split of the planet, in other
words, part of the consciousness

of the planet is going to go one
direction, partly the other. So

it's actually kind of creating
almost different dimensions. And

those who are really ready to go
forward with things like with

things like love, uh, will go in
one direction. People who want

to continue to play games of
power and abuse and

manipulation, they'll go in
another direction, and it'll

happen without any chaos or
without, you know, war or

anything like that, but suddenly
it'll just happen a true

shifting on the planet.

Wow. Okay, I have to jump in.

Thomas is kind of hanging out
right here with me, and he's

saying, God, You talk too much.
He said, let her ask some

questions. And I know I'm trying
to answer it.

Yeah. I'm so used to that my
guests are beautiful

communicators, so I just, I
always invite them back if I

have more questions. So that's,
well, I get curious about AI.

And the thought dropped into my
mind, because I'm I'm following

what's happening in the US now
with with the drones and the

UAPs that are spotted all over
the place. And I was thinking,

are ET's here? And are they
giving us that inspiration and

that technology through
telepathy? Is that where the a

the AI technology is coming
from?

You know, I should we should
have talked beforehand about

this. I should have forewarned
you. Don't ask about aliens with

Adamus, because he will, but you
open the can, I think he's

sitting on your shoulder. Now,
ask about aliens. Okay, I'm

gonna make a statement here, and
some people won't like it, but

if you don't like it, I hope you
please consider it anyway.

ADAMUS is very, very clear that
in all of creation. I mean our

our dimension, all the other
dimensions, there are no greater

beings than the human being. He
says there are. There might be

some intelligent beings out
there, but they are not greater

than the human beings. Because
we're the ones who went into the

toughest, toughest, of all
realms. We're the ones who went

into deep compression here on
this planet. We're the ones who

forgot who we were,
intentionally lost our way. We

have gone through the hardest
thing that an angelic being will

ever go through, and it's the
it's the gravitational

compression. It's also an
energetic compression. And then

we show up here on the planet,
forgetting who we are, but

trying to come to the net of
resolution. But an answer to a

very big question that has been
around forever. So he says,

You're the greatest of beings.
And of course, my response is,

well, you know, but we do
things, we war, we steal, we do

hideous things, insidious
things. And he said, Yes, you do

as humans, but that time is
coming to an end now. But he

said, Look what you've done,
that no other no other

civilizations, no ETS or
anything else I've ever done,

you actually experienced love on
the planet where it never

existed before. Love did not
exist before the planet Earth

and before humans. And on top of
that, love is only about 5000

years old. And he said that
really the not an invention, but

it was the first experience of
love was right here on this

planet. And he said to humans,
unlike any other civilizations,

any other ETS have developed,
families, friendship, music,

poetry, in spite of all the
hardships you've risen out of

that and and if nothing else,
just just love. And my reaction

at first, when he said that was,
you mean? What do you mean? No,

God is love. And he said, No,
God never knew a thing about

love until humans actually
experienced it. And I said,

Well, way of what about aliens,
though they love? And he said,

you know, not until humans did.
And now they come here. They

come here to try to find out
about this thing called love.

They come here and probe humans
to where is love? Is it in your

heart? Is it in your you know?
Is it in your head? Because they

want to bring it back to their
culture somewhere else. And so

Adama says there are no greater
beings, and until we understand

that and honor ourselves, we'll
we'll never turn the corner. So

he's pushing us right now to
say, you need to understand

humans are the greatest of all
beings. And some people really

take offense with that, because
they want to believe in

something outside, in
themselves. They want to believe

that these Jesus is going to
come and save him. That's not

Jesus. I mean, the Christ
consciousness is right here.

They want to believe that these
grand alien beings are going to

descend on the planet and take
us out of our misery. And

they're not. And Adama says,
Yes, aliens are real, but they

don't have what we have, which
is our goodness, our love, our

compassion, our depth of
experience that we've had on the

planet, and ultimately all about
finding the answer to what is

the. Relationship between
consciousness and energy. But in

the meantime, we're learning all
these other things along the

way. We're the ones that are are
currently and going to be

sharing this with other
dimensional beings. It's not the

other way around. And to kind of
expand on that, a lot of the

beings that we are going to
encounter over these next 10

years that we're going to call
ETS or aliens. We're going to

think they're flying in and
little metal chips and that are

only ourselves from the future.
And they're, they're not,

they're they are advanced beings
because they are us. But we're

learning to break through the
barriers of time and space, and

suddenly we become started to
become aware of not only our

past lives, which are being
lived right now, but also our

future self. You can even say
our send itself, those are the

ones that are coming from the
future. Saying, hey, you know

what? It works you. Did it. It
worked out. And he said, Those

are, those are the ETS we need
to understand. They don't come

in little metal ships. They come
as light beings, but our mind

sometimes perceives them that
way because the mind doesn't

really understand how to
perceive lot of things outside

of its domain. So the mind
pieces things together, like in

a dream state. You know, what
you dream about, the visuals you

see are not really what's
happening. That's a mind's

interpretation. So basically,
Adamus is very, very big on

saying, you know, humans are the
greatest beings of all. And a

lot of people don't like that. I
was surprised. I got a lot of

negative reaction, and doing a
couple interviews recently, and

people are just, I mean, they're
scandalous, you know, how could

you possibly say that? But I'm
just very, very clear and even

even about Jesus and saying, you
know, that there's no greater

being than us, and Jesus was a
collective anyway, Jesus was us

and not a soul being. And he
keeps pushing us right now to

say, acknowledge your goodness,
acknowledge what you are. And

yes, we do terrible things as
humans or some, some do, but

we're, we're overcoming that
now, and this is the original

planet of love right here.

Wow, that was a totally new
perspective, and I've never come

across it before through my 12
years of interviewing. Yes,

fascinating. What about people
who've had, you know, so many

people that have interviewed,
who have had near death

experiences, and they meet God,
and they meet this unconditional

love, and they say, I've never,
ever experienced this amount of

love. And then it seems like it
is there and lesser here.

Yes, what they're experiencing
when they cross over, first of

all, when you when you cross
over, you bring your beliefs

with you for the most part. So
if you're Jewish, you bring your

Jewish beliefs. If you're, you
know, Catholic or if you're

agnostic or atheist, you bring
that. Adam was always jokes

around. He said, I love when the
atheist crossover, because first

of all, they're they're pretty
clear. They don't have a lot of

preconceived notions. They don't
believe in God or anything.

After death, and he said, then
they show up and they're like,

oh geez, there really is
something so during the

experience of near death,
experience which are very real

but sometimes misunderstood,
that the feeling of that

overwhelming sense of love is
from The I Am your your I Am,

your soul. You're finally
encountering yourself and

meeting that. And sometimes the
being will interpret that as

being Jesus or God or whatever,
but Adama says, Be very clear

when you cross over and you have
that experience, you are

encountering yourself, your your
beingness. And now it feels like

love, because you know what love
is from having been on the

planet, but it is really
yourself, your true self.

Well, that makes sense. You
know, one of the universal laws

is we're all one. So in a way, I
interpret this as, okay, I'm

meeting myself and but we're
split into different parts. And

from what you're saying, maybe
these ETs are different parts

that haven't activated that yet,
but it's still part of them,

because we're all one, and that
means that we are love. So to

me, we are love. We just have
sort of activated that as

humans, I don't know.

So speaking of that, you say
we're all one. We were invited

to years ago to speak at a
conference in in Switzerland,

and it was we were guests, and I
was going to be channeling

Tobias, which Tobias is just so
loving. He's like he's. Like a

warm, kind grandfather. And the
day that we were starting, the

host of the event came up to me
and said, Oh, I'd really like

you to channel ADAMUS Saint
Germain. I'm like, I don't know

about that. And she said, No,
no, really, I'd like you to talk

like Adam was to talk about
oneness, was kind of the theme

of the conference, talk about
oneness. And I said, you really

don't want them to talk about
oneness. No, no, I really do. I

really do. And said, okay, so
ADAMUS got up there and

basically said, You are your own
oneness. There's no grand,

universal oneness. There's no
Borg. There's no homogenous

thing that you return back to.
He said, that would be a bad

joke on behalf of God, that you
know, you go and develop your

your identities on this planet,
and then you go back into what

oneness? And he said, No way. He
said, Every being becomes a

sovereign being. You are your
own one. Well, it's funny,

because during the conference,
right in the middle of the

channel the sponsor, there was
like two or 300 people, the

sponsor went and cut the mic.
Couldn't talk anymore, and then,

then at that point, the audience
started booing at her, and

somebody went over to the sound
booth and got a microphone, and

they were arguing back and forth
in German. I didn't understand

most of it, but she we basically
got thrown out of the

conference. But Adams makes a
very strong point, and I really

like everybody to think about
it. You know, we we defer to

things like ETs and in Jesus and
religions and gurus and crystals

and all the rest of that, then
we have this thing about we are

all one. And he said, No, you're
not. You are a sovereign being

to the point where your I Am
Ness, uh, doesn't even know that

there's any other I ams out
there. It has no awareness of

any other I am. It is all unto
itself. All the energy that you

have in your life is all yours.
It's not we don't go to some

unified energy field and all,
you know, suck from the same,

you know, bag of energy. All the
energy is yours. Everything you

perceive is your energy, even if
it's other people. And he's

very, very clear about this and
that you you are a sovereign

being, and you don't go back to
oneness, other than your own,

other than your own. But it's
not like suddenly we're all back

together, singing Kumbaya, and
we're just all one. So he's,

he's, he's stirred up a lot of
ruffled a lot of feathers in the

new age, you know, we, we don't
really get much grief from,

like, Christians, or, you know,
religions. Once in a while

somebody tells us that, you
know, Jesus is pissed. But the

problem we get is with the new
age, actually, because we're

breaking through some of the
their their dogma, and saying

it's time we perceive things a
little different. It's time to

understand humans are grant. I
mean, we came from angelic

backgrounds, of course, but then
we, we came here to Earth, and

we have, we have an amazing
grandness. There is so much

honor for us in the other realms
that we're not even aware of, at

the Ascended Masters Club, which
anonymous says he's president

of, jokingly, but they, they
have so much compassion for us,

because of what we're doing,
we've taken on the hardest of

the most difficult, and yet
we're emerging through that.

We're discovering things like
love and so many other things on

this planet, music, they and I'm
like, no damage. They've got to

have music like on other planets
or other realms, aliens. And

he's a no, he said, humans,
really? I mean, there are sounds

in the other realms, beautiful
sounds, but we put it together

as music, you know, with, with
song, with, with heart, with,

with a melody and everything. He
said, they don't have that in

other places, and it's hard for
us to fathom, because we've been

indoctrinated by by a lot of
things, including churches, into

believing that we're sinners,
we're fallen angels, we're bad

people. And he says, Not at all.
And when you realize your

personal, individual grandness,
the what you've done, not just

on Earth, but for all of
creation. Said, that's when the

planet starts turning the
corner. You can pray all you

want. You can you can, you know,
listen to Palladian channels. He

doesn't like palladians. One pit
he, and he explains why, and so,

but he, but he's. When you
understand, bring it back. It's

already within you. Stop looking
out there, because it's all

right here.

But I do resonate, if I may jump
in. I do resonate with that. It

feels very empowering and the
way I see it, and I cannot

explain it, but in my mind,
several truths can be true at

the same time. So I don't want
to jump into Oh, that country

contradicts everything I thought
I knew, even though it was new,

because under the umbrella, I
can sort of make sense to me in

my mind that there are several
truths, and it's truth from a

perspective. And I think several
truths can be true at the same

time. I don't think we have the
mind right now to understand, to

grasp it, or not even the words.
But what I'm curious about is,

like the Law of One, for
instance, is a very well known

material. They say that we're
one, and tons of other

channelers are saying something.
And then you Jeff, you know, you

have your own sovereignty. And
then Adamus, Adamus, he has his

own perspective. So what do you
think about when others are

saying something that sort of
contradicts and do you agree

with Saint Germain, or are you
like? I don't know if I agree

Well, a lot of times it comes as
a shock, the words that come out

with you.

of my mouth and, you know, but
I'm I've been trained as a

channeler for lifetime, so I've
learned my job is to convey the

information and not to judge it
or what. But later on,

afterwards, I'm like, What the
hell just came out of my mouth

and but I found out with ADAMUS
And with Tobias, that even

though it shocks me at times,
that when I really feel into it

and let myself experience it, I
understand the truth. One of the

early things with Tobias. We
were chatting back in the early

days, I think before I was
channeling, and I said something

about, you know, our My desire
is to come back home, to be home

and like to return back to God.
And I was very, very naive back

then, and but to return back to
God, and he goes, No, you know,

you never go home? I was so
pissed off, I didn't talk to him

for a week, and then he came
back in after he let me, you

know, feel into and he said, the
fact is that Home comes to you.

That's what you're doing here on
this planet. You're allowing

your divinity, you're allowing
your godness to come to you. You

You don't go back to it like you
don't like come down here on

Earth and have a bunch of
lifetimes and then go back home.

The whole purpose of being here
is to bring home right here, to

open yourself to being a human
and a divine being all at the

same time. So in answer to your
question, they pissed me off a

lot. And then I have to feel
into it when Adama said, No

humans, humans really
experienced love for the first

time. It it was a shocker. It
was a little overwhelming.

So what is your perspective on
that Channeler so saying so many

different things, and I have a
longer thought about this,

because, you know, I'm
interviewing, and I find myself

pretty open minded, and I invite
guests that I feel I resonate

with, and of course, that is a
bit biased, and stuff like that.

But sometimes I also find myself
disagreeing a bit, or feeling

I'm not sure about this, or
actually after listening to a

channel, sometimes I feel very
elevated. Other times I don't.

Yeah, I'm wondering, what is
this about that sometimes there

are so many contradicting
sayings teachings on this

planet.

Yeah, and I wondered about that.
Also, when I first got into

this, I didn't come from a
spiritual background. I was born

and raised Catholic, and as soon
as I could stop going to church,

I stopped. Never really bought
into the whole thing. So I

really didn't have any kind of
metaphysical or spiritual

background. So all this is new
to me, in a way, which is good,

because I don't have too many
overlays. But what I realized

once I got into this and started
channeling and started working

with other channelers early on,
Lee Carol and I were, were very,

very close friends. Worked a lot
with Steve Rother and Jim self,

a lot of the others. And, you
know, we always asked ourselves,

you know, we'd sit down and talk
over a glass of wine or

whatever, after the day was
done, and it's like, well,

there's different takes on
different things. Crying says

one thing, Adama says it a
little bit different. But what

we all realize is that message
and the way it's spoken and

tailored is to that specific
group. So. For instance, Lee

Carroll's group. And Lee is
amazing. He's done amazing work

on this planet, but he's, he's
dealing with a much broader, a

bigger group than like with
Adamus. ADAMUS is very, very

focused, and he he only will
work with people who are ready

for their enlightenment or their
realization. He kicks people out

all the time. I mean, you know
he, he says things I don't want

you in here. Your energy feeders
get out of here. Go someplace

else, but his. So we work with
different groups, and Jim south,

which you have a lot of respect
for, works with a specific

group. And so that message is
tailored to them the way it's

said most of the time. If you
really whittle it all down, you

realize, ultimately, it's, it is
the same message, it just said

in different ways. And then
ADAMUS comes along and makes

some very bold, brash
statements, which a lot of the

New Age community doesn't like.
But you know, he talks about

crystals and healing and things
like that, and says, you know,

it's a distraction. He calls it
makio, M, a, k, y, O, and makio

is a spiritual distraction. And
we all get distracted by things

like alchemy or crystals or
aliens or Jesus or Bucha or any

of the rest of that. And it's
all makyo be it's all a

distraction along the path to
your Realization. And I asked

him one time, well, why do we do
that? I'm guilty of it. Why do

we do that? And he said, because
it is so damn hard to ultimately

love yourself. You learn to love
others. You've learned now on

the planet how to love others,
but ultimately, the hardest

thing will be to love yourself,
because you're so filled with

guilt and shame and memories and
everything else, and so it's

easy to get distracted with
crystals, or whatever the

technique du jour happens to be
but eventually you have to come

back to yourself and face
yourself. You eventually will

face your dragon, and the dragon
is standing at the door to

realization and enlightenment,
not to tear you apart or burn

you. You know through and
through, but the dragon is

standing there saying, you
cannot bring junk wounds, makio

imbalances into realization. It
will that would be really bad.

So dragons there to make sure
that you're fully cleansed,

fully released. You're without
your makio, you're without your

human imbalances, and it will
send you away until you're

actually clean and clear. It'll
send you back down the path to

work through your issues. And if
you try to bring your imbalances

into your enlightenment, it will
it will be really ugly. It sends

you into a very, very, very bad
place. It's like the, it's like

the the Sorcerer's Apprentice,
you know, drinking the the

potion, but not knowing and not
having the wisdom to handle it.

And then very bad things happen.
So, so ADAMUS message, you know,

Thomas's desire is to work with
those who are absolutely ready

for their realization, their
enlightenment. And he'll work

with them in not only in the
work that we do in the

channelings, but he'll work with
them individually. But it's

tough. I mean, it's it's not for
the faint of heart.

You mentioned that the next few
years. I don't remember what you

said, but it would you may be at
the peak, in a way of like, this

is really the time. And then I'm
curious, so do we get help to

have this realization from, you
know, masters and angels, or our

soul within, or is it through
even more contrast, because we

hear that there might be storms,
earthquakes, oh, big storm is

coming. Is that happening? Is
that happening because we're

going to have this realization,
or can we have this realization

and wake up without all these
storms, because more energy is

coming to the planet, and we're
receiving this help on a

personal basis

you will go through your storms,
you know, because it's clearing

a lot of the past lives. And
then, to make it even more

interesting. While a person
might be going from their

awakening into their we call it
mastery, or their realization at

the same time, simultaneous your
past lives are also going

through theirs, but they have no
clue. They don't have guidance

from shows like yours. They
don't have the benefit of being

able to go on the internet and.
And read about it. So they're

going through it in the dark,
literally, and that's one of the

reasons why so many people are
feeling what they're feeling

like it's almost overwhelming.
Well, it's your past lives.

Also, you're kind of like the
designated ascendy of all your

past lives. And there's a
tremendous amount going on

within, just within yourself
right now. Then, with the

planet, we have a combination of
forces happening. We have the

convergence. Is what I call it.
Gaia.

What is that? I'm Norwegian, so
I don't

convergence is when things come
from different directions,

coming together at the center.
So, you know, everything is

converging, coming together.
And, you know, one of the

factors right now is that Gaia
is leaving. And this was

something Thomas talked about
maybe 10 years ago. I think

actually, Tobias probably talked
about it longer growth than

that. And this pisses a lot of
people off, too. Oh no, no,

Gaia. How could Gaia be leaving
well, because it's it's our time

to take the responsibility for
the planet Gaia was here, to

infuse it with life force
energies, and then to maintain

the balance with the the
different kingdoms, the animal

kingdom, the plant the sky, all
the different kingdoms. And

she's a sole being, just like
us, and she's tired, you know,

she's been here a long time, and
she's now leaving and turning

over the responsibility of the
planet to us, where we don't

need that, that mother figure,
that, that babysitter. And so

we're having to become much more
environmentally aware, and we're

having to learn that, you know,
we need to take take care of

this planet. We don't have mom
doing it for us anymore. So yes,

there are going to be a lot of
changes and upheavals, but not

not in a bad way, necessarily,
just a lot of shifts. So

everything right now is changing
at a speed that no other beings

have ever lived through before.
You know, even Adam says, you

know, in my days, you know,
nothing much happened. There

weren't a lot of inventions or
anything else. Again, there was

a long period of time between
the sewing machine and the the

steam train, and that was a big
deal. But it's happening now.

Every day. Things are changing
and going new, and essentially,

what's happening is there is so
much more light coming into the

planet right now, actually our
divinity, we're letting it in

that is causing things to move
faster. That's causing the need

for things like AI to
accommodate the the light and

the speed. We had to develop AI.
We had to develop something that

could keep pace with all the
changes that AI that's changing

us. We brought AI in to
facilitate that infusion of

light that's coming in. And all
these things are happening right

now, the planet is basically
going into its enlightenment.

Humanity is and some will choose
not to. Some will choose to stay

in the old power games, and
we're seeing it acted out on the

world stage right now, but the
time is coming for an end to

that.

But what does it mean that Gaia
is leaving, like her

consciousness, her spirit? Will
there still be a physical planet

there?

Yeah, there'll be a physical
planet, but her as a soul being,

her job was to come here and
infuse it with life force

energies, and it was done way,
way, way back when, with

crystalline energies. That's why
I think we're all so attracted

to crystals, because they they
were the original things they

were what was used in Atlantis
for everything from light to the

ability to move objects and
things. But then, then they lost

their power after a certain
point. And so Gaia has done her

job. She kind of like, set the
place up for us, organized our

Earth house, so to speak. And
she's going to be on her way.

She's, she's a soul being. She
wants to go into her next levels

as well. And it's not a sad
thing at all. I mean, it's, it's

actually an honoring that we're
actually ready for that, and we

can care for the planet, and we
can, we can care for for the

animal kingdom, and there's so
much more consciousness right

now about about about
consciousness and what it is,

and that's paving the way to
what's ahead of us. Because, you

know, the whole subject of AI,
for instance, is bringing up the

question of, What is
consciousness? And there's a lot

of lot of thought and debate
about it, and some say that

consciousness arises from
matter. In other words, you

know, we've got this material
planet, and from that

consciousness rises up. Others
say no consciousness has to be

present first, before matter or
anything, which is what the.

Thomas also tells us is, there
wouldn't be anything if there

wasn't consciousness. In other
words, if we withdrew our

consciousness from the universe,
there would be no universe.

Consciousness is what then
creates reality. Consciousness

uses a combination of energy and
light to create reality, and

that's that's what we're
immersed into, that's what we

infused into. So that it's
really ultimately a big, big

discovery of consciousness, what
it truly is, and ultimately

bringing consciousness and
energy together.

So it is human consciousness
that will then be Mother Earth.

No, not Mother Earth, but Earth.
Instead of Gaia,

you will be our individual
consciousness. We don't have to,

like, bring it together, like,
as in a New Earth Mother we

just, you know, when we take
responsibility individually, for

the planet, for, for, for the
air we breathe and the waters we

drink. Then that becomes a
collective energy, then of our

own environmental consciousness.
But it doesn't become an entity

necessarily like Gaia. Now we
have that infused within our

consciousness, the the the the
responsibility of the planet,

and by the way, speaking of
nature, and Gaia ADAMUS also

says that there's no other place
in creation that has nature like

what we have. So you know, if
you imagine, you think about

some aliens off somewhere else,
and they have the beautiful

nature, he goes, No, they don't,
not at all Earth is unique in

the fact that it has nature. So
he really, he shakes up a lot, a

lot of things. And, you know,
some people, some people get

very upset. We get some rather
nasty emails from time to time.

But he also inspires and
provokes people to stop for a

moment and think about, hang on
a second. You know, we, we are

the beings we've been waiting
for. We carry the consciousness

and the divinity within us.
We're not waiting for alien

spaceships or second coming of
Jesus. We are it. And when we

take that on, when we realize
that everything changes, I mean,

you also start to realize in
that if you're beholden to any

other being, in other words, you
think that aliens are going to

save or Jesus or whatever,
you'll never discover your own

energy. And Thomas defines
energy as being nothing more

than communication. It's not a
force. It's not it's not like

electricity or anything. It's
simply a communication. When you

start realizing that we are the
beings here, we're the ones

doing this, you start taking
ownership for your own energy.

When you take ownership for your
energy, then you realize, hey,

I'm the master my energy, and
it's all mine. Is there to serve

me. It's not there to work
against me. It's not there to

set up challenges and tests and
everything else. Nobody can ever

steal it from me, and I can ever
give it to anybody else.

Suddenly, all sudden you're
letting energy serve you. Life

gets easier. I mean, issues of
things like abundance go away.

Health problems go away. The
being trapped in the brain goes

away, because now you've got
this dynamic of your own energy

serving you and manifesting what
you're choosing. And instead of

having to steal energy from
other people, or think that God

doles it out, or that there's a
big unified energy field, you

realize, oh my gosh, this is my
energy. Now, what do I want to

do with it?

Thank you so much, Jeff, I have
a few questions that I ask on my

guest then the first one you
mentioned it a bit, but I'll ask

you again, what is self love to
you?

Total acceptance of yourself.
Total acceptance. No, if hands

or buts No. Well, I'm a you
know, I could I love myself

accept or I have to work on
doing this and that I have to be

a better person, absolute. Take
a deep breath. I am that I am a

total acceptance. And it sounds
very simple. It's easy to say,

but it's very difficult to do,
very difficult to get through

all those old wounds, all the
old feelings of guilt and shame,

but, but you eventually, do? You
eventually learn, hey, these

aren't serving me anymore. Why?
Why am I still hanging on to

them? I'm going to let them go.
But self love, total acceptance

and when you when you accept
yourself, then you can accept

others and stop trying to change
them. And stop trying to change

the planet.

That makes sense. Yeah. And what
is the deeper meaning of life?

From your perspective, did you
life or light? The deeper

meaning of life?

Life? Okay, deeper meaning of
life is a I could take hours I'm

just going to try to distill is
the I'm trying to without going

off in some long rambling thing,
the essential experience of the

I am of your soul as an embodied
human. It's to experience what

cannot be experienced in the
other realms, the non physical

realms, to experience it here in
this realm. And that's the

ultimate, ultimate love. So, you
know, it's one thing to say,

it's easy to go off into the
other realms, you know, when you

die or whatever, and have all
these great experiences, to be

able to do it here, in this very
visceral, very sensual reality

that we exist in to experience
that is kind of the meaning of

life,

beautiful. This has been highly
interesting, so fascinating. And

I just love your energy. And at
some point there, I got really

touched. So something is like
ringing, and I'll have to see it

again. I I, I'm going to stretch
my mind. But like I said, I find

that several truths can be truth
at the same time, so I'll just

leave it at that. And I thank
you for doing your work, and

it's really empowering. I mean,
it's, it's sharing light around

the world, and it's empowering
us to feel that, you know, I

have the answers inside, and I
think that is the most important

thing. Like you're saying, not
giving our power away, like I'm

waiting for that, that thing, to
fix me or save me. But we are

our own heroes.

Yeah, exactly No. I like the way
you said that we are our own

heroes and and, you know, it's
not even like ourself, as a

golden angel is going to descend
again. You know, we're putting

it outside of us. It's us right
here, and it's allowing that to

come out now. And it's tough,
because it's easier to think

that there's a greater power out
there. It's easier to think

there's greater beings that are
going to save us. It's a nice

distraction. But ultimately, it
comes back to the very simple

premise, I am, that I am, it's
all right here,

yeah, I love that. Where can
people connect with you if they

want to learn more and follow
your work?

Uh, very simple, Crimson Circle.
Crimson like the color

Crimsoncircle.com so just do a
search on it, or just type in

Crimsoncircle.com we have a very
extensive website, a lot a lot

of we do a monthly Webcast
Channel, and free of charge, it

always has been. So it's 25
years worth of monthly messages

and a lot of other things. We do
some workshops and seminars out

of our retreat center in Kona,
Hawaii, and we, we've got a

studio here in Colorado where we
do a lot of work. So yeah, just

check the website out. There's
if you, if you really want to,

if your viewers really want to
find kind of the summary of what

we do. There is a little
downloadable booklet called 21

Shaumbra realizations. These are
21 very short short points. One

of them that always amuses me
is, and I can't remember what it

is now, but it's very short
points and and easy to easy to

read. There's not much text at
all. But if you want to have

summary of our where the
direction of Crimson Circle,

that's it. 21 Shaumbra
realizations. It's free of

charge.

Nice. Thank you so much, Jeff.
And have a beautiful holiday.

And I was so honored to have you
on the

Thank you. I appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on. Great.

Thank you. And thanks to all the
viewers.

Of course, yeah, to you guys.

Thanks.