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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,367 --> 00:00:13,267 [Eleanor] Cordelia was cleaning. 2 00:00:22,533 --> 00:00:25,373 Next thing you know, she's white as a ghost, 3 00:00:25,367 --> 00:00:30,067 and she's telling me, frantic, "I saw an arm, I saw an arm." 4 00:00:30,066 --> 00:00:31,796 I go, "A what?" 5 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,900 She says, "Under the bed. 6 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,430 I hit something under the bed. It was an arm." 7 00:00:37,166 --> 00:00:38,726 Not just an arm. 8 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:42,900 It's a whole body naked. 9 00:00:47,166 --> 00:00:49,626 [theme music playing] 10 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:06,800 Welcome to Very Scary People, I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 11 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,100 For more than a decade, starting in the late 1960s, 12 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:12,530 a vicious predator stalked young women 13 00:01:12,533 --> 00:01:14,273 on both the gritty streets of Manhattan 14 00:01:14,266 --> 00:01:17,426 and in the quiet bedroom communities of New Jersey. 15 00:01:17,433 --> 00:01:20,903 Dubbed the Times Square Killer, his victims ranged 16 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,600 from suburban housewives to sex workers. 17 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,730 For most of his murder spree, the killer operated under the radar, 18 00:01:27,734 --> 00:01:29,804 blending into his surroundings. 19 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,800 But as the body count multiplied, 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,870 the killer's arrogance grew, leaving detectives waiting for him 21 00:01:35,867 --> 00:01:39,097 to make the one mistake that would lead to his arrest. 22 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:42,530 This is part two of "The Times Square Killer." 23 00:02:01,467 --> 00:02:04,427 It was a busy morning like any other in New York City. 24 00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:07,627 [siren wailing] 25 00:02:07,634 --> 00:02:10,374 Around 9:00 a.m., the fire department got a call 26 00:02:10,367 --> 00:02:13,497 from the Travel Inn Motor Hotel on 42nd Street 27 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:14,900 in Times Square. 28 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:17,730 [female reporter] Firemen went into a fourth floor motel room here 29 00:02:17,734 --> 00:02:19,434 to find the source of smoke. 30 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:24,504 [Steve] A fireman thought he saw people lying on each bed. 31 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:26,370 He thought they were just mannequins. 32 00:02:27,467 --> 00:02:31,427 Then he realized that it was two naked young females. 33 00:02:31,433 --> 00:02:35,273 [Rod] He took their bodies out as best he could with some help, 34 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:37,996 prepared to take them and give them mouth-to-mouth 35 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,900 respiration, recovery, 36 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:42,230 and discovered they were without heads. 37 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:46,273 The killer cut off their hands and their heads 38 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:48,966 so that they couldn't be identified. 39 00:02:48,967 --> 00:02:52,267 The sadistic murder of two young women in a Westside motel 40 00:02:52,266 --> 00:02:54,366 early Sunday has become one of the more bizarre cases 41 00:02:54,367 --> 00:02:55,267 in memory. 42 00:03:01,367 --> 00:03:04,367 [Larry] The killer leaves the hotel. 43 00:03:04,367 --> 00:03:08,167 He has a duffel bag, and he's stopped by 44 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:12,796 two police officers who were concerned for his safety 45 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,430 as he walked through Times Square. 46 00:03:15,433 --> 00:03:17,803 And he just explained to the two cops 47 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,900 that he was staying at a nearby hotel. 48 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:21,797 Everything was good. 49 00:03:23,066 --> 00:03:26,496 If only police had asked to see what was inside the duffel bag. 50 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,530 Perhaps the reason he wasn't questioned more vigorously 51 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:34,003 is because the killer just seemed like another regular person. 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,600 He was an average guy who had a family. 53 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,870 He had a wife and three children, two boys and a girl. 54 00:03:41,533 --> 00:03:43,903 Had a home, had a job. 55 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:46,730 And he was very disarming to people because 56 00:03:46,734 --> 00:03:50,504 he didn't look abnormal or disturbed or deviant 57 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:51,800 in any way. 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,070 Yet in New Jersey, where he'd been raised, 59 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:57,426 he'd been killing for years. 60 00:04:07,634 --> 00:04:11,274 Teenage Mary Ann Pryor and Lorraine Kelly 61 00:04:11,266 --> 00:04:15,166 were going to the Jersey Shore and they wanted to get bathing suits. 62 00:04:15,166 --> 00:04:17,896 So they were hitchhiking to the Paramus Mall. 63 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,970 In the '70s, what was very normal was hitchhiking. 64 00:04:24,967 --> 00:04:26,797 A lot of these young kids did it. 65 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:30,370 And that was the fatal mistake they made that day. 66 00:04:33,066 --> 00:04:36,626 [Steve] A man picked them up and they never could have imagined 67 00:04:36,634 --> 00:04:38,374 what he planned to do. 68 00:04:38,367 --> 00:04:40,097 [Mike] Then he took them to a hotel. 69 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,270 [Steve] He had forced them in. 70 00:04:44,266 --> 00:04:46,896 [Mike] They were tied to the bed so they couldn't escape during the night. 71 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:49,370 And eventually, 72 00:04:50,634 --> 00:04:53,004 he drowned them in the hotel bathtub. 73 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,270 [Brenna] Mary Ann's family heard on the radio 74 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:01,526 that two bodies were found in the woods. 75 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:03,503 And then there was a knock on the door. 76 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:08,230 And it was the worst news that any family could get. 77 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:12,096 [Steve] He's known as the Times Square killer. 78 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,100 But it really is much more the story, 79 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:18,630 I think, of a suburban double life killer. 80 00:05:18,634 --> 00:05:21,804 Police had no knowledge of this guy. 81 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 He's smart enough to know that what he's doing out 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,230 in New Jersey might not come to the attention 83 00:05:28,233 --> 00:05:32,503 of law enforcement in New York and vice versa. 84 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:36,970 Law enforcement has always been a tribal sort of thing, 85 00:05:36,967 --> 00:05:40,797 even though they like to talk about working together, 86 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,730 the communication isn't always there. 87 00:05:43,967 --> 00:05:47,367 [Rod] The killer left few clues, leaving investigators 88 00:05:47,367 --> 00:05:49,167 with nothing to go on. 89 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:52,166 [Steve] This story terrified local residents. 90 00:05:52,166 --> 00:05:55,696 If police had any suspects in mind, they didn't include 91 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:58,630 the actual perpetrator, who was a mainframe 92 00:05:58,634 --> 00:06:01,634 computer operator for a major insurance company. 93 00:06:01,634 --> 00:06:03,174 And he's pretty bright. 94 00:06:03,166 --> 00:06:04,526 And he knows it. 95 00:06:04,533 --> 00:06:06,503 He has a level of tech savvy. 96 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:12,070 He's got his hobby, his extracurricular activity, 97 00:06:12,066 --> 00:06:13,966 where he's out murdering women. 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,100 Chilling, horrifying what he did to people. 99 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:24,730 We're talking about atrociously striking his female victims, 100 00:06:24,734 --> 00:06:27,874 cutting them, burning them. 101 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:35,004 He was terrorizing women very close to where he lived. 102 00:06:36,367 --> 00:06:39,467 Go back to being a regular family man. 103 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,370 It's a ridiculous dichotomy. 104 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:45,530 His wife and his three children 105 00:06:45,533 --> 00:06:47,503 never suspected a thing. 106 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,170 He never raised any red flags. 107 00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:53,726 He just was at the point where he wanted more 108 00:06:53,734 --> 00:06:57,074 and more and more, and it just began to escalate. 109 00:07:07,266 --> 00:07:10,626 [Eleanor] I was at the parking lot at work at the Quality Inn, 110 00:07:10,634 --> 00:07:13,634 waiting for a ride home. 111 00:07:13,634 --> 00:07:16,734 All of a sudden, this car pulls up. 112 00:07:16,734 --> 00:07:22,074 And this guy with this stupid, smirky smile, asking me, 113 00:07:22,066 --> 00:07:25,966 "Oh, can you come here? Do you work in there?" 114 00:07:25,967 --> 00:07:29,367 And so now I'm like, oh my God. 115 00:07:29,367 --> 00:07:31,897 So I'm not going to go near that car. 116 00:07:33,266 --> 00:07:38,796 So I try walking around the back of the car to get into the hotel. 117 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,370 And he's now going to back the car into me, 118 00:07:41,367 --> 00:07:43,527 so I couldn't get the license plate. 119 00:07:43,533 --> 00:07:46,973 And I run in the door, and I get Delia that worked there. 120 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:49,327 "Delia, crazy guy out there trying to get me." 121 00:07:49,333 --> 00:07:50,433 "What?" 122 00:07:50,433 --> 00:07:52,173 And we look out, and he's gone. 123 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,170 [Larry] A housekeeper walked into room 132, 124 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,630 and she noticed that the room 125 00:08:12,634 --> 00:08:14,874 has a bit of a foul stench in it. 126 00:08:14,867 --> 00:08:18,327 She began cleaning up the room, and as she tidied up 127 00:08:18,333 --> 00:08:21,233 and tried to vacuum under one of the beds, 128 00:08:21,233 --> 00:08:24,173 she hit something hard and large. 129 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:29,533 [Eleanor] Delia was cleaning 132. 130 00:08:29,533 --> 00:08:31,603 Next thing I know, here comes Delia. 131 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,630 She's white as a ghost, and she's telling me, frantic, 132 00:08:36,634 --> 00:08:39,174 "I saw an arm. I saw an arm." 133 00:08:39,166 --> 00:08:41,166 I go, "A what?" 134 00:08:41,166 --> 00:08:44,496 She says, "Under the bed. I hit something under the bed. 135 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:45,700 It was an arm." 136 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,470 Not just an arm. 137 00:08:47,467 --> 00:08:50,097 It's a whole body naked, 138 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:52,230 and the police are coming. 139 00:08:56,233 --> 00:09:01,433 A naked 19-year-old woman with strawberry bleached blonde hair. 140 00:09:01,433 --> 00:09:06,533 Fingerprints would later identify her as Valerie Ann Street, 141 00:09:06,533 --> 00:09:09,703 who came north from Florida with a conviction 142 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:11,370 for prostitution in her home state. 143 00:09:12,533 --> 00:09:15,533 She was handcuffed so tightly that it left 144 00:09:15,533 --> 00:09:17,003 deep marks on her wrists. 145 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:20,230 There was a wound on her lower back, 146 00:09:20,233 --> 00:09:22,803 which was apparently made by some sort of knife. 147 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:29,866 Police had begun retracing her steps from the day before 148 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:32,497 and realized that she had started the day in New York. 149 00:09:35,066 --> 00:09:37,726 [Larry] Valerie Ann Street had been seen 150 00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:39,974 by another sex worker in Manhattan 151 00:09:39,967 --> 00:09:44,367 working a corner at Madison Avenue and 32nd Street. 152 00:09:44,367 --> 00:09:47,327 [Steve] On the surface, her exchange with a Manhattan office worker 153 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:49,633 was no different than any of her other interactions 154 00:09:49,634 --> 00:09:51,174 with her other customers. 155 00:09:51,166 --> 00:09:54,866 This appears to have been a straight business transaction. 156 00:09:54,867 --> 00:09:56,897 He's the John. She's the hooker. 157 00:09:57,433 --> 00:09:59,173 They make a deal. 158 00:09:59,166 --> 00:10:01,796 Eventually, the man brought her to New Jersey. 159 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,470 She showed up at the hotel and registered for the room 160 00:10:05,467 --> 00:10:07,527 herself using her alias. 161 00:10:07,533 --> 00:10:11,273 She's then taken hostage and tortured. 162 00:10:11,266 --> 00:10:14,966 He killed her and stuffed her under the bed, 163 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:18,700 and that's where the housekeeper found her 164 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,000 under the bed while she was cleaning the room. 165 00:10:23,266 --> 00:10:25,996 This was one of the only incidents where any sort of 166 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,370 a usable court evidence was found. 167 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:32,627 In this case, it was a fingerprint. 168 00:10:32,634 --> 00:10:37,334 [Eleanor] So the next day, detectives called me into the office, 169 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:41,603 and they're questioning me, and they show me a picture of Valerie. 170 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,230 And they go, "What does she look like?" 171 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:45,903 Well, she looks a little like my blonde Tamron. 172 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,800 "Have you noticed anything strange around here?" 173 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,900 And then I told them about the incident 174 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,270 in the parking lot two weeks before that, 175 00:10:53,266 --> 00:10:58,796 how the car pulled up, the guy had a stupid, smirky smile, and all that. 176 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,100 I just got this weird, like, 177 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,730 danger feeling, stranger danger. 178 00:11:04,734 --> 00:11:08,074 And the detectives kept calling me, Ellie, 179 00:11:08,066 --> 00:11:10,596 we think he's coming back. 180 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,230 You have to listen for everything. 181 00:11:14,467 --> 00:11:15,997 I said, I'll listen for everything. 182 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,900 I'm on it. Yeah, I'm on it, boy. 183 00:11:21,066 --> 00:11:24,266 [Larry] By 1980, the Times Square killer was committing crimes 184 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:26,096 with more frequency. 185 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,630 It was like he didn't have a care in the world. 186 00:11:28,634 --> 00:11:30,334 He would do something in New Jersey 187 00:11:30,333 --> 00:11:31,973 and then go right back to New York 188 00:11:31,967 --> 00:11:33,227 looking for another victim. 189 00:11:34,433 --> 00:11:37,533 But he committed his first murder over a decade earlier, 190 00:11:37,533 --> 00:11:39,173 when he was just a young man. 191 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:45,167 He was 20 years old when he evidently killed his first victim. 192 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,100 Nancy Vogel is probably the earliest known victim 193 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:53,970 in 1967. 194 00:11:53,967 --> 00:11:56,897 She was a married woman with two children. 195 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:59,600 She lived in Little Ferry, New Jersey. 196 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,470 And she told her family she was going out 197 00:12:02,467 --> 00:12:04,727 to play bingo in the local church one night 198 00:12:04,734 --> 00:12:07,734 and never came back. 199 00:12:07,734 --> 00:12:10,334 [Brenna] And, you know, rather horrifyingly, 200 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:13,003 two schoolgirls found her in her car. 201 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,370 They thought she was a mannequin. 202 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:18,267 She was naked and bound, and she had been strangled. 203 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,470 [John] There were some shopping bags in the trunk. 204 00:12:26,634 --> 00:12:30,174 Never quite knew why, but the keys to the car were missing. 205 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:31,996 They were nowhere to be found inside, 206 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000 nor were they found outside the vehicle. 207 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,370 Why the keys were missing and why the car was locked 208 00:12:38,367 --> 00:12:40,227 just didn't seem to make sense. 209 00:12:40,233 --> 00:12:43,173 But it did point in the direction of an unlikely suspect. 210 00:12:45,367 --> 00:12:48,597 On the day following the report of her being missing, 211 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,500 her brother showed up at Little Ferry Police and said, 212 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:55,730 "My sister is missing, but I found her car keys," 213 00:12:57,166 --> 00:13:00,226 and gave the police the keys to her car. 214 00:13:00,233 --> 00:13:01,803 Investigators were thinking, 215 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,730 How else could Nancy Vogel's brother have her car keys 216 00:13:04,734 --> 00:13:08,234 unless he had killed her and locked the car? 217 00:13:08,233 --> 00:13:11,173 He soon became a suspect in his own sister's murder. 218 00:13:12,867 --> 00:13:15,727 But detectives couldn't find any additional evidence 219 00:13:15,734 --> 00:13:17,374 that would link him to the crime. 220 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:23,373 So he was a suspect, nowhere near enough to charge him. 221 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:25,527 [Steve] Even though police cleared him, 222 00:13:25,533 --> 00:13:28,703 that didn't stop some people in his family from thinking 223 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,330 that he committed his own sister's murder. 224 00:13:33,734 --> 00:13:36,434 By now, sex workers in New York had been warned about 225 00:13:36,433 --> 00:13:38,003 the Times Square Killer. 226 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,800 I feel like most serial killers end up getting kind of messy towards the end. 227 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Last winter, we told you about several especially brutal murders 228 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,600 of alleged prostitutes here in New York. 229 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,270 And so far, the murders have gone unsolved. 230 00:13:58,266 --> 00:14:00,526 [Louis] When you get a case like this, 231 00:14:00,533 --> 00:14:04,803 everybody wants to look for a watershed event in his life 232 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,970 that made him a serial sexual murderer. 233 00:14:07,967 --> 00:14:09,627 But you're just not going to find it. 234 00:14:09,634 --> 00:14:11,634 Poor parenting, stressful events, 235 00:14:11,634 --> 00:14:15,074 and all of the rest of it never are of help. 236 00:14:15,066 --> 00:14:17,096 But this is not something that's learned, 237 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:20,530 nor is it something a result of some terrible event 238 00:14:20,533 --> 00:14:22,273 that happened in his childhood from 239 00:14:22,266 --> 00:14:24,796 his mother, his father, and so on. 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,530 His parents, they didn't make him to become a serial killer. 241 00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:30,003 That's him. 242 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,800 In a 2009 French documentary, 243 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,730 the killer reflected on how he was different than most people. 244 00:14:38,367 --> 00:14:40,997 [Richard speaking] 245 00:14:47,233 --> 00:14:49,903 He may have had different quirks like everybody else, 246 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:52,630 but there was really nothing in his demeanor 247 00:14:52,634 --> 00:14:56,434 or his presentation that would make him stand out in any way. 248 00:14:56,433 --> 00:14:59,003 He went to high school. He was on the track team. 249 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,230 He had friends. He may have had some difficulty with friends, 250 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:05,873 but that's not really abnormal in any significant way. 251 00:15:05,867 --> 00:15:10,367 [Rod] He's a high school graduate, graduated in 1964. 252 00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:13,096 His father was an executive with 253 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,270 Metropolitan Insurance Company, 254 00:15:15,266 --> 00:15:17,626 knew the business quite well, 255 00:15:17,634 --> 00:15:22,874 and encouraged his son to go in that direction 256 00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:25,797 and gotten hired through his father over 257 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,330 at Metropolitan Life. 258 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:31,970 He started at the bottom in the mailroom. 259 00:15:31,967 --> 00:15:33,697 Eventually, he worked his way up 260 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:35,730 to mainframe computer operator, 261 00:15:35,734 --> 00:15:39,474 and then he found a better-paying job at Blue Cross Blue Shield. 262 00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:43,727 [Larry] It seemed like a perfectly healthy father-son relationship, 263 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,874 but like everything else about the killer, there was a dark side. 264 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:52,800 [Rod] The father would coach him on what to do 265 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,900 if he got into an automobile accident 266 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:59,270 because, of course, if he had booze on his breath, 267 00:15:59,266 --> 00:16:01,166 he'd get the DUI. 268 00:16:01,166 --> 00:16:06,696 His father's advice was to feign injury 269 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:09,170 so that the police would back off 270 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:13,496 and they would bring the EMTs and take him to the hospital. 271 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,870 And by this time, the cops are losing 272 00:16:16,867 --> 00:16:19,097 their opportunity to get him for DUI 273 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:22,800 because, of course, the effect of the alcohol is starting to wear off. 274 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,170 [Larry] There's no saying what the father's influence 275 00:16:27,166 --> 00:16:29,466 might have really had on this young man, 276 00:16:29,467 --> 00:16:33,997 but that alone doesn't explain why he became what he became. 277 00:16:35,367 --> 00:16:38,367 I don't use words like evil, but I think that 278 00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:40,997 there is something missing in him. 279 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,470 He preyed on all kinds of women, 280 00:16:42,467 --> 00:16:44,267 but he preyed on a lot of sex workers 281 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:47,096 and people on the margins of society. 282 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,800 He probably thought he had it down pat. 283 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,630 I feel like most serial killers end up getting kind of messy towards the end, 284 00:16:54,634 --> 00:16:56,174 and maybe that's overconfidence 285 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:58,266 or maybe it's wanting to be caught somehow. 286 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:08,170 [Larry] Leslie Ann O'Dell, who is an 18-year-old 287 00:17:08,166 --> 00:17:12,096 who had just come to New York after a four-day bus ride 288 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:17,070 from her hometown of Olympia in the state of Washington. 289 00:17:17,066 --> 00:17:21,166 [Dr. Melinda] It became somewhat of a known quantity 290 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:24,166 that if you landed at the bus station, 291 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:26,996 that there was probably a fairly good possibility 292 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,070 that there would be various men out there 293 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:36,266 who would provide you with all sorts of glamorous promises. 294 00:17:36,266 --> 00:17:39,096 If you've been sitting on a bus for seven days, 295 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:41,970 you have to have been totally exhausted 296 00:17:41,967 --> 00:17:47,367 and very difficult to make decisions about what was good. 297 00:17:47,367 --> 00:17:50,367 [Steve] She found herself in the clutches of a pimp. 298 00:17:50,367 --> 00:17:53,867 It was a horrible situation for a teenager to find herself in. 299 00:17:54,734 --> 00:17:57,004 Leslie had no idea that the man 300 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,370 who would come out of nowhere and pretend to be her savior 301 00:17:59,367 --> 00:18:01,097 was actually worse than anything 302 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:02,170 she could have imagined. 303 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:08,000 Leslie Ann O'Dell is working on Lexington Avenue 304 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,370 on the east side of Manhattan 305 00:18:09,367 --> 00:18:12,427 when she meets just a random guy, 306 00:18:12,433 --> 00:18:14,273 doesn't look like anything special, 307 00:18:14,266 --> 00:18:18,466 but he offers her $100 in return for sexual favors. 308 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:22,700 She agrees. They go to a bar. 309 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:24,530 He keeps feeding her drinks. 310 00:18:24,533 --> 00:18:26,703 She spoke to him a little bit about 311 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:29,070 the situation that she was in. 312 00:18:29,066 --> 00:18:32,796 The man says to her, I'll drive you out of the city, 313 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,730 I'll take you to a bus terminal over in Jersey, 314 00:18:35,734 --> 00:18:39,374 and you'll be on your way back to your hometown in Olympia 315 00:18:39,367 --> 00:18:41,627 before your pimp even knows that you're gone. 316 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:44,970 By now, sex workers in New York 317 00:18:44,967 --> 00:18:46,997 had been warned about the Times Square killer, 318 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,470 but the man seemed so sincere that Leslie believed him. 319 00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:53,727 He looked completely normal. He can speak very well. 320 00:18:53,734 --> 00:18:55,474 She needed someone to help her. 321 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:57,997 He's offering his help. He seemed like a nice guy. 322 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,600 She went along with him. 323 00:19:01,967 --> 00:19:04,097 Now the torture begins. 324 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:05,900 He's got a gun. 325 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:09,270 [Eleanor] I heard a commotion, and I hear this girl. 326 00:19:09,266 --> 00:19:11,726 "Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God, no." 327 00:19:25,634 --> 00:19:28,534 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 328 00:19:28,533 --> 00:19:30,603 The Times Square killer may have thought 329 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,600 he could get away with murder forever. 330 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,100 He hid behind a mask of respectability, 331 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,270 wearing a suit to work in New York 332 00:19:37,266 --> 00:19:40,426 and raising a family in the suburbs of New Jersey. 333 00:19:40,433 --> 00:19:44,333 But by 1980, his crimes are becoming more extreme, 334 00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:48,003 and the Times Square killer is becoming more reckless. 335 00:19:50,066 --> 00:19:52,426 [Steve] Leslie Ann O'Dell was only 18 years old. 336 00:19:52,433 --> 00:19:55,173 She had just arrived in New York City 337 00:19:55,166 --> 00:19:57,366 from her home in Washington State, 338 00:19:57,367 --> 00:20:00,067 and met a pimp that charmed her 339 00:20:00,066 --> 00:20:02,896 and put her out on the street. 340 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:04,900 She met a John in Manhattan 341 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,800 who took her to a bar and bought her some drinks. 342 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,630 She confided to him that she was in over her head, 343 00:20:11,634 --> 00:20:14,474 and she wanted to get away from her pimp, 344 00:20:14,467 --> 00:20:15,997 and he offered to take her back 345 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,470 to a bus depot in New Jersey 346 00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:20,897 so she could go back to her home in Washington State. 347 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,270 [Larry] So this man and Leslie come across 348 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:29,696 the George Washington Bridge chatting. 349 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:31,970 He says to her, like, look, 350 00:20:31,967 --> 00:20:35,627 could the two of us have sex before you head out? 351 00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:38,904 So she agrees to accompany him to the Hasbrouck Heights 352 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:40,370 Quality Inn, 353 00:20:40,367 --> 00:20:44,427 which has become his favorite place to do his business. 354 00:20:44,433 --> 00:20:46,103 [Rod] The people who work there, 355 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,630 does he think they're completely blind or stupid? 356 00:20:48,634 --> 00:20:52,634 He's got to realize that he's raising, you know, some alarms, 357 00:20:52,634 --> 00:20:55,274 and, you know, who knows? 358 00:20:55,266 --> 00:20:59,266 Don't forget, he was dressed like a businessman in a suit and tie. 359 00:20:59,266 --> 00:21:02,166 I guess you could say he wasn't dressed like a killer. 360 00:21:03,266 --> 00:21:04,996 Once they get inside the room, 361 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,530 he asks Leslie if he could give her a massage 362 00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:09,803 before they have sex. 363 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,900 She agrees to this, and he pulls out a knife, 364 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:16,530 holds it to her throat, and immediately handcuffs her. 365 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:19,266 In the 2009 documentary, 366 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:21,626 he explained how excited he got during these 367 00:21:21,634 --> 00:21:22,804 violent encounters. 368 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,900 [Richard speaking] 369 00:21:40,634 --> 00:21:42,634 [Steve] Now the torture begins. 370 00:21:43,233 --> 00:21:44,533 He's got a gun. 371 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:46,873 He's telling her that she's a whore 372 00:21:46,867 --> 00:21:48,627 and deserves to be punished. 373 00:21:50,166 --> 00:21:55,366 [Louis] The offender very often has a twisted sense of morality, 374 00:21:55,367 --> 00:21:57,897 and so many of them will say, you know, 375 00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,900 prostitutes and sex workers, 376 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:02,230 I want to rid the world of these sorts of things. 377 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:06,633 For the next several hours, you know, 378 00:22:06,634 --> 00:22:08,374 he sliced her with a knife. 379 00:22:08,367 --> 00:22:10,367 He whipped her with a leather belt. 380 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:12,733 And every time she passed out, 381 00:22:12,734 --> 00:22:17,004 he would use a damp washcloth to revive her 382 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,500 and go right back to it. 383 00:22:19,967 --> 00:22:22,727 Leslie Ann O'Dell was a fighter. 384 00:22:22,734 --> 00:22:25,904 People don't expect sex workers to fight back, 385 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:31,370 but thank goodness O'Dell was willing to fight for her life. 386 00:22:31,367 --> 00:22:34,797 [Larry] At one point during her ordeal, she's uncuffed, 387 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:40,070 and she immediately goes for the gun that's nearby. 388 00:22:40,066 --> 00:22:41,726 And when she tries to use it, 389 00:22:41,734 --> 00:22:43,804 she realizes quickly that it's a prop gun 390 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,500 and it's going to be of no help at all. 391 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,470 [Eleanor] I heard a commotion in 117. 392 00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:56,167 So I run over real quick, put my ear to the door, 393 00:22:56,166 --> 00:23:01,066 and I hear this girl, "Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God, no." 394 00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:03,966 And something about a gun. 395 00:23:03,967 --> 00:23:06,497 And then I hear, like, a struggle, 396 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,530 and it's coming closer to the door. 397 00:23:08,533 --> 00:23:13,173 And the first thought, of course, is the murderer. 398 00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:16,996 He's back. He's going to murder the girl in 117. 399 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,500 So I head up the hall to go to the front desk to get help. 400 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,330 "The girl's going to be murdered. We got to save her." 401 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:30,803 So Todd, our assistant manager, he's knocking on 117. 402 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,530 I don't know if this guy's going to open the door and shoot him 403 00:23:33,533 --> 00:23:37,873 or what's going to happen, but it was Leslie who opened 404 00:23:37,867 --> 00:23:39,997 the door a tiny bit with a chain 405 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,700 and stuck her little hand out like this 406 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,370 and was moving her eyes. 407 00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:47,896 And she's saying, "Everything's okay," 408 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:51,000 which it wasn't, which we knew. 409 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,800 [Mike] She was able to give a signal 410 00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:00,330 to the employees that made them call the police. 411 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,103 [siren wails] 412 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:06,900 The police show up, and this is his last stand. 413 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,170 [Mike] And at that time, he realized 414 00:24:09,166 --> 00:24:10,896 that he had to get out of there. 415 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:14,800 So he did take off, ran down the hallway. 416 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,330 This guy is running by with a suit on 417 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:22,533 and a gun and an attach� case. 418 00:24:22,533 --> 00:24:26,373 So I think it's a detective, right, who would have a gun. 419 00:24:26,367 --> 00:24:29,797 So I said, "Oh, did you get him?" 420 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,800 And he points the gun. 421 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,900 And with that, one of the police come in the side door 422 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:41,530 with their shotgun, and they're aiming it at this guy. 423 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:48,230 [Mike] The first responding officer caught him in a stairway. 424 00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:52,903 [Eleanor] And then they had the attach� case open 425 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,170 with all this weird stuff in it, 426 00:24:55,166 --> 00:25:00,096 black garbage bag, adhesive tape, handcuffs. 427 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,970 [Larry] A leather gag, two slave collars, 428 00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:07,697 a switchblade, ankle cuffs, replica pistols, 429 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,270 and pills that he used to knock his victims out. 430 00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:13,626 When I saw him arrested sitting there, 431 00:25:13,634 --> 00:25:15,634 I realized it was the same guy 432 00:25:15,634 --> 00:25:18,434 that tried to get me in the parking lot. 433 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:22,800 That's... I could cry. 434 00:25:28,734 --> 00:25:30,734 That's when it gets overwhelming. 435 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:37,630 Police identified him as 33-year-old Richard Cottingham 436 00:25:37,634 --> 00:25:38,874 from Lodi, New Jersey. 437 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:47,630 There were many cold cases that existed at that time, 438 00:25:47,634 --> 00:25:50,274 and we believed it was Cottingham. 439 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,100 [Brenna] There was no way for the jurisdictions in New Jersey 440 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:05,800 and New York to communicate. 441 00:26:06,734 --> 00:26:08,374 If there had been the Internet, 442 00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:09,527 if there had been websites, 443 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,173 if there had been the 24-hour news network 444 00:26:12,166 --> 00:26:13,366 that there is today, 445 00:26:13,367 --> 00:26:15,627 police departments in New York might be able to say, 446 00:26:15,634 --> 00:26:17,734 "Hey, that murder in New Jersey 447 00:26:17,734 --> 00:26:20,374 looks really similar to this murder in Times Square." 448 00:26:21,634 --> 00:26:26,474 [Rod] It wasn't until Cottingham was finally arrested 449 00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:30,097 and they finally were putting two and two together 450 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,530 that they looked at these cases. 451 00:26:35,233 --> 00:26:38,333 [Mike] After police take Cottingham into custody, 452 00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:41,003 he tries to play all this off. 453 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,500 He carried his murder kit in a attach� case. 454 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,000 [Larry] The paraphernalia that they recovered 455 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,530 was just something that he kept around 456 00:26:51,533 --> 00:26:54,903 because he was a fan of bondage and domination. 457 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,170 He said he wanted to see what it felt like to have 458 00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:58,966 someone under his control. 459 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:02,900 And that line has been used a lot of times 460 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:06,600 by different people who have abused women sexually, 461 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,100 and they explain it away, 462 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,000 "We were just trying something new." 463 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 He's going to try to get himself out of this in some way. 464 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800 And that's at least an explanation to the authorities 465 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,700 as to why they were doing this. 466 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:20,796 [Steve] But when police raided his house, 467 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,070 they found that the killer, 468 00:27:22,066 --> 00:27:24,326 who had been so careful to cover his tracks, 469 00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:27,233 had actually left a stunning record of his crimes. 470 00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:29,373 He had a trophy room of souvenirs 471 00:27:29,367 --> 00:27:31,897 that he'd stolen from the women he'd attacked. 472 00:27:33,367 --> 00:27:35,997 That's not uncommon for killers 473 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800 to keep certain items from their victims. 474 00:27:41,533 --> 00:27:44,233 He's cherishing them, so to speak. 475 00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:46,633 He's putting them in a safe place, 476 00:27:46,634 --> 00:27:48,804 in a room in his home, 477 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,970 which he disallows anyone to go to. 478 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,500 His wife can't go in there. 479 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,800 His children are forbidden to go in there. 480 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,970 And he's got a place where he's keeping 481 00:27:58,967 --> 00:28:01,597 these little trinkets to remember. 482 00:28:02,533 --> 00:28:05,633 They bring back a memory of an incident 483 00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:08,274 that he largely enjoyed. 484 00:28:08,266 --> 00:28:10,796 It brings him gratification. 485 00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:16,374 Slowly, the potato was peeling, 486 00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,327 and we learned more and more about him and who he was. 487 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,530 Cottingham was raised in a fairly middle-class family 488 00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:26,973 in New Jersey. 489 00:28:26,967 --> 00:28:29,897 The first of four children, he had three younger sisters. 490 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,370 [Rod] He's raised Catholic. 491 00:28:33,367 --> 00:28:37,167 He was very nervous as a child, very nervous growing up. 492 00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:40,466 His mother was an innocent soul. 493 00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:42,727 She didn't have a clue of what was going on. 494 00:28:42,734 --> 00:28:48,534 She did offer some explanations about him 495 00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:52,173 and his behavior when he was young. 496 00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:53,726 She would say things like 497 00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:56,434 he would constantly be chewing his nails, 498 00:28:56,433 --> 00:29:00,803 constantly be waving and swishing 499 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,730 back and forth with his leg. 500 00:29:02,734 --> 00:29:04,904 [Larry] So we know he was an anxious kid. 501 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,630 But aside from that, no major red flags. 502 00:29:07,634 --> 00:29:10,504 No evidence that he was torturing animals, 503 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,100 setting fires, behavior you might expect from a serial killer. 504 00:29:15,734 --> 00:29:18,374 When people saw him in the community, 505 00:29:18,367 --> 00:29:21,627 they saw this professional working in New York, 506 00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:24,334 working in the computer industry. 507 00:29:24,333 --> 00:29:27,003 [Steve] But there were secrets that he was keeping from his wife. 508 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,500 He had several extramarital affairs. 509 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,370 And just as his wife was giving birth for the first time, 510 00:29:32,367 --> 00:29:35,267 he was arrested for taking advantage of sex workers. 511 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,730 There were two cases, one in '73 and one in '74. 512 00:29:41,734 --> 00:29:45,704 These were salacious instances. 513 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:47,470 They involved robbery. 514 00:29:47,467 --> 00:29:49,267 They involved sexual assault. 515 00:29:49,266 --> 00:29:53,696 There was a charge of unlawful imprisonment. 516 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,900 Okay, so we're talking about handcuffs. 517 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,630 The prosecutors need their testimony, 518 00:29:59,634 --> 00:30:01,804 and these women were refusing, 519 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,530 refusing to cooperate to that extent. 520 00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:06,533 That's on Cottingham's side. 521 00:30:06,533 --> 00:30:08,173 He's frightened these women. 522 00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,996 He's scared them to death. 523 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,800 He's threatened them with weapons. 524 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,170 And they're afraid of the police. 525 00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:18,466 He's got this mindset that he's above the law. 526 00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:21,067 In some ways, that's because he literally thought 527 00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:22,626 that he could get away with murder. 528 00:30:23,634 --> 00:30:28,704 In 1977, when his youngest child was just a year old, 529 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,530 Maryann Carr was taken from the parking lot 530 00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:33,003 in her apartment complex. 531 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,326 Those who saw it later told the police 532 00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:38,973 that they thought it was the husband. 533 00:30:40,233 --> 00:30:43,433 [Larry] As it turned out, after Cottingham was arrested, 534 00:30:43,433 --> 00:30:46,103 investigators were able to determine that 535 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,500 the victim's husband and he looked very much alike. 536 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,800 As long as Cottingham's methods were working for him, 537 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,100 he just kept repeating the same patterns. 538 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,870 He kidnapped two of his victims 539 00:30:56,867 --> 00:30:59,097 from the same apartment complex, 540 00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,100 and he continually visited the Quality Inn 541 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,530 in Hasbrouck Heights, New Jersey. 542 00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:08,073 [Larry] In 1979, Cottingham's wife filed for divorce. 543 00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:11,096 She said he regularly stayed out all night 544 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,900 and stopped having sex with her 545 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,700 after she had their third child. 546 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,630 [Rod] She got tired of being the woman 547 00:31:17,634 --> 00:31:21,704 who was taking care of the house, taking care of everything. 548 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,170 And for whatever reason, and I think 549 00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:26,226 it's his persuasiveness, 550 00:31:26,233 --> 00:31:28,903 she agreed to back off. 551 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,870 I think she was a little more docile 552 00:31:31,867 --> 00:31:35,367 than a lot of women might be with a guy like this, 553 00:31:35,367 --> 00:31:37,367 letting him get away with the whole lot. 554 00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:41,534 Still, she had no idea that she had married a killer. 555 00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:47,067 [male reporter] Richard Cottingham is being arraigned today 556 00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,366 on charges of murdering a 19-year-old girl 557 00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,097 in a motel in Hasbrouck Heights. 558 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,270 The victim, Valerie Street, had been sexually abused 559 00:31:54,266 --> 00:31:55,426 and mutilated. 560 00:31:55,433 --> 00:31:57,233 Cottingham is a suspect in the killing and mutilation 561 00:31:57,233 --> 00:32:00,803 of two prostitutes last December in a 42nd Street motel. 562 00:32:02,367 --> 00:32:05,627 [Steve] In 1981, Richard Cottingham was charged with murder, 563 00:32:05,634 --> 00:32:07,534 kidnapping and sexual assault 564 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:10,633 in connection with five different women in New Jersey. 565 00:32:10,634 --> 00:32:13,334 The first of three scheduled trials. 566 00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:15,733 He pleaded not guilty. 567 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,434 He kind of always wanted his kids 568 00:32:17,433 --> 00:32:20,333 to think that there was a hint that maybe he didn't do these things, 569 00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:21,333 maybe it wasn't him. 570 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:23,333 He never confessed. 571 00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:26,003 [male reporter] Cottingham's blood type was found inside 572 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,800 the dead woman's hotel room. 573 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800 And that adhesive tape, like that found on Valerie Street's mouth, 574 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,870 was found in Cottingham's car when he was arrested. 575 00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:40,873 [Eleanor] I had to go and testify every time and... 576 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,730 When I had to get up and testify, 577 00:32:44,734 --> 00:32:48,704 they have it facing where Cottingham's sitting. 578 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:51,797 And he kept looking at me. 579 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,170 So, it was horrifying, horrifying. 580 00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:58,866 As evidence piled up against Cottingham, 581 00:32:58,867 --> 00:33:00,797 he attempted suicide in jail. 582 00:33:02,233 --> 00:33:06,233 Cottingham evidently made two or three suicide gestures, 583 00:33:06,233 --> 00:33:08,703 but they were very superficial. 584 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,900 On one occasion, he broke his glasses 585 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,800 and tried cutting himself with the shards. 586 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,630 He also tried slicing himself with a razor 587 00:33:15,634 --> 00:33:19,004 and drinking liquid antidepressants. 588 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,630 I think it was just simple attention 589 00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:24,904 because I think if he wanted to kill himself, 590 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:26,370 he was an expert at killing, 591 00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:28,497 then I think he probably could have killed himself. 592 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,530 He was eventually sent back to court 593 00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:32,433 to hear the judge pronounce him guilty. 594 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:36,630 The sentence he declared 595 00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:40,734 must be for the protection of modern society. 596 00:33:40,734 --> 00:33:44,274 There were multiple trials that Richard Cottingham 597 00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:45,696 went through 598 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,530 and ultimately, 599 00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:50,373 the result of those multiple trials 600 00:33:50,367 --> 00:33:53,427 resulted in numerous life sentences 601 00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:54,633 for Richard Cottingham. 602 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:57,073 He probably won't get out of jail. 603 00:33:57,066 --> 00:33:58,426 He's 34 years old now. 604 00:33:58,433 --> 00:34:00,973 He was sent to jail for almost 200 years. 605 00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:03,997 [Rod] Finally, his wife divorced him 606 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,530 after he was convicted for these crimes. 607 00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:10,503 She moved up to New York State to get away from New Jersey, 608 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,100 get away from Bergen County, 609 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,600 and that's where she raised her kids. 610 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,100 [John] Even after Cottingham was convicted, 611 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:27,270 there were many cold cases that existed at that time 612 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:28,966 and continue to exist, 613 00:34:28,967 --> 00:34:32,497 but law enforcement never forgets them. 614 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,070 When I first took over as chief, 615 00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:40,266 I decided to assign the homicide detectives 616 00:34:40,266 --> 00:34:45,096 to pull out a lot of the cold cases, go through them, 617 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,730 and find whatever viable cases 618 00:34:47,734 --> 00:34:51,434 they felt they should pursue and reopen. 619 00:34:51,433 --> 00:34:54,433 Many of the cold cases in New York and New Jersey 620 00:34:54,433 --> 00:34:55,903 fit Cottingham's M.O. 621 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,430 So as the years passed and Cottingham sat behind bars, 622 00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:02,333 detectives continued to go through his old files. 623 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,633 They were hoping to link him 624 00:35:03,634 --> 00:35:05,734 to other unsolved murders in the area. 625 00:35:11,367 --> 00:35:13,867 I went down there and sat down with him, 626 00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:16,367 and I wasn't there specifically 627 00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:20,367 to get him to confess to these murders. 628 00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:24,497 I was there to see if he would come and speak to our detectives. 629 00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:27,797 And he did end up calling our office, 630 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,900 and there was a young detective at the time back then. 631 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:33,470 His name was Rob Anzilotti. 632 00:35:33,467 --> 00:35:35,967 A lot of times to get confessions, 633 00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:38,897 you can't just walk into a room and ask the person, 634 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,270 "Hey, did you do it?" That's not gonna work. 635 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:45,096 It takes time, it takes dialogue, it takes patience, 636 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,900 and I felt he was the right guy for the job. 637 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:52,370 And so they spent about 17 years 638 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,167 going back and forth and just talking. 639 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:58,996 The serial killers, they like that cat-and-mouse thing, 640 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,530 and even when they are caught and they are in prison, 641 00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:03,803 they enjoy the game. 642 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,070 You want to know something that I know, 643 00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:07,626 so what are you gonna give me for it? 644 00:36:07,634 --> 00:36:09,634 How are you gonna twist it out of me? 645 00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:12,104 And Cottingham definitely continued that game 646 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,070 with Anzilotti for years. 647 00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:17,596 [Mike] And Anzilotti succeeded into 648 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,230 developing a rapport with Cottingham, 649 00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:22,533 which led to several confessions. 650 00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,174 [Brenna] Nancy Vogel was the first confession 651 00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,696 Cottingham gave to Detective Anzilotti. 652 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:43,630 Cottingham claimed he drove her up to a wooded area 653 00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,804 in Montvale, New Jersey, near the New York State line. 654 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:52,000 He killed her there and put her in the backseat of her car, 655 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,330 because that's the car they used to get up there, 656 00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:58,173 and he left the car in a residential neighborhood 657 00:36:58,166 --> 00:37:00,226 back near her home 658 00:37:00,233 --> 00:37:03,633 and walked back to the hotel where his car was. 659 00:37:03,634 --> 00:37:06,534 You might not believe this, but there are many people out there 660 00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:11,173 that confess to crimes that they have absolutely no connection with. 661 00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:15,526 I had to satisfy myself that it was indeed Mr. Cottingham 662 00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,173 that committed this crime. 663 00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:20,266 I am the prosecutor, and I am the only one that 664 00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:23,426 can actually authorize the warrant to charge 665 00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:24,633 Cottingham with murder. 666 00:37:24,634 --> 00:37:26,704 And I recall there were two things 667 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,170 that I was told that tied him to it. 668 00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:33,166 That he took the car keys and he threw them away. 669 00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:35,996 That was never in any press release. 670 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,070 Only the killer would have known that, 671 00:37:38,066 --> 00:37:40,326 that the keys were not left in the car. 672 00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:42,373 The second thing is he told us about 673 00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:46,167 the Valley Fair shopping bags in the truck. 674 00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:49,166 Only the killer would have known that. 675 00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:53,496 And then Nancy Vogel's son told me something that I didn't expect. 676 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,270 He said, "I can't believe this. 677 00:37:58,266 --> 00:38:00,996 All these years, I thought it was my uncle." 678 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,630 Cottingham had told us he threw the keys away, 679 00:38:03,634 --> 00:38:06,634 so we knew that when the uncle put the keys 680 00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:07,804 on the police desk, 681 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,900 it was just an extra set. 682 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:17,800 So, Nancy Vogel's two children received two gifts that day. 683 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,470 The first gift is the man who killed 684 00:38:20,467 --> 00:38:23,267 their mother was brought to justice. 685 00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:26,866 The second gift is it was never their uncle. 686 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,530 Over the next ten years, Cottingham confessed 687 00:38:33,533 --> 00:38:36,333 to Anzilotti about three more murders. 688 00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:39,903 The trails of which had all gone cold. 689 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,170 In 2021, Robert Anzilotti was about to retire. 690 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:44,696 But there was another cold case that 691 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,800 had been bothering detectives for years. 692 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,170 The murders of teenagers Lorraine Kelly and Mary Ann Pryor. 693 00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:55,796 They were going down the Jersey Shore in August 1974. 694 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,530 They were going bathing suit shopping before that. 695 00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:04,503 They had planned to hitchhike from their homes. 696 00:39:05,533 --> 00:39:07,803 Five days later, their bodies were discovered 697 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,100 in a construction site. 698 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,070 I wanted that case solved and we had believed 699 00:39:14,066 --> 00:39:15,626 it was Cottingham. 700 00:39:15,634 --> 00:39:18,734 [Brenna] So, right before Anzilotti's retiring, 701 00:39:18,734 --> 00:39:21,804 Cottingham pleads guilty to Mary Ann Pryor 702 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,530 and Lorraine Kelly. 703 00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:27,433 According to him, he picked them up and it was raining. 704 00:39:27,433 --> 00:39:29,173 They sat in the car for a while together. 705 00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:31,896 First, he took them to a McDonald's to get something to eat. 706 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,730 Then he took them to a hotel. 707 00:39:33,734 --> 00:39:35,734 He brought them into the hotel room. 708 00:39:35,734 --> 00:39:38,734 He had them tied up and he spent several days 709 00:39:38,734 --> 00:39:39,804 with them in the hotel. 710 00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:45,433 He did bad things to them and ended up 711 00:39:45,433 --> 00:39:48,373 drowning them in a bathtub. 712 00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,697 [Mike] And he brought them up to the New York State line 713 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,370 and dumped their two bodies. 714 00:39:54,367 --> 00:39:57,727 [Steve] The only reason that he admitted to Anzilotti 715 00:39:57,734 --> 00:40:00,074 that he killed Mary Ann Pryor and Lorraine Kelly 716 00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:01,866 was because Anzilotti was retiring 717 00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:03,727 and that was his farewell gift. 718 00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:07,274 [John] I know that Rob Anzilotti didn't look at it as a gift. 719 00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:09,996 He looked at it as a gift for the families. 720 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,500 Somewhere I knew the Pryor and Kelly families 721 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,100 would begin to now maybe enjoy never a normal life, 722 00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,370 but a better life. 723 00:40:24,233 --> 00:40:26,903 So, Cottingham is now in his 70s. 724 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,370 He's in very poor health, in a wheelchair. 725 00:40:30,367 --> 00:40:33,797 He knows that he doesn't have a lot of time left. 726 00:40:34,967 --> 00:40:37,227 [Brenna] There's tons of unsolved crimes 727 00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:38,533 in New Jersey and New York, 728 00:40:38,533 --> 00:40:41,273 and who knows how many of them are Cottingham. 729 00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:43,266 Time is ticking for him to start confessing 730 00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:44,526 to the rest of these. 731 00:40:45,433 --> 00:40:47,503 [Eleanor] It affected me a great deal. 732 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,500 I tell my grandchildren, you don't walk down the street 733 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,370 by yourself. 734 00:40:51,367 --> 00:40:56,227 I am, like, super over-cautious. 735 00:40:56,233 --> 00:40:58,973 I wouldn't even let my granddaughter walk from the bus stop 736 00:41:00,634 --> 00:41:02,734 down a quarter of a block. 737 00:41:02,734 --> 00:41:05,274 [laughs] I didn't even want her on a bus. 738 00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:06,596 You know, you get driven to school, 739 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,800 you get picked up from school. 740 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,630 [Steve] According to what Cottingham told journalist Nadia Fezzani 741 00:41:12,634 --> 00:41:14,874 in a 2009 documentary, 742 00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:16,227 there's still a lot of murders 743 00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:18,173 that the police don't know about. 744 00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:20,496 So, how many victims do you think you have? 745 00:41:21,634 --> 00:41:23,734 Oh, I know exactly how many. 746 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,630 [chuckles] 747 00:41:28,233 --> 00:41:29,873 Over 85. 748 00:41:30,467 --> 00:41:31,897 Under 100. 749 00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:40,796 Despite the passage of time 750 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,230 and Richard Cottingham's declining health, 751 00:41:43,233 --> 00:41:45,973 law enforcement is still vigorously trying to connect 752 00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:48,527 cold cases to the Times Square killer. 753 00:41:48,533 --> 00:41:50,273 Thanks to the tenacity and grit 754 00:41:50,266 --> 00:41:51,966 of the detectives on the case, 755 00:41:51,967 --> 00:41:55,697 in December 2022, Cottingham finally admitted 756 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,370 to killing five Long Island women 757 00:41:57,367 --> 00:42:01,227 between 1968 and 1973. 758 00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:03,373 We can only hope that even more of his victims 759 00:42:03,367 --> 00:42:05,267 will find justice. 760 00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:08,896 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 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