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[Eleanor] Cordelia
was cleaning.
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Next thing you know,
she's white as a ghost,
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and she's telling me, frantic,
"I saw an arm, I saw an arm."
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I go, "A what?"
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She says, "Under the bed.
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I hit something under the bed.
It was an arm."
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Not just an arm.
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It's a whole body naked.
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[theme music playing]
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Welcome to Very Scary People,
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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For more than a decade,
starting in the late 1960s,
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a vicious predator stalked
young women
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on both the gritty streets
of Manhattan
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and in the quiet bedroom
communities of New Jersey.
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Dubbed the Times Square
Killer, his victims ranged
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from suburban housewives
to sex workers.
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For most of his murder spree,
the killer operated under the radar,
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blending into
his surroundings.
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But as the body count
multiplied,
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the killer's arrogance grew,
leaving detectives waiting for him
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to make the one mistake
that would lead to his arrest.
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This is part two
of "The Times Square Killer."
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It was a busy morning like
any other in New York City.
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[siren wailing]
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Around 9:00 a.m.,
the fire department got a call
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from the Travel Inn
Motor Hotel on 42nd Street
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in Times Square.
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[female reporter] Firemen
went into a fourth floor motel room here
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to find the source of smoke.
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[Steve] A fireman thought
he saw people lying on each bed.
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He thought they were
just mannequins.
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Then he realized that it was
two naked young females.
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[Rod] He took their bodies out
as best he could with some help,
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prepared to take them
and give them mouth-to-mouth
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respiration, recovery,
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and discovered they were
without heads.
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The killer cut off their hands
and their heads
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so that they couldn't be
identified.
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The sadistic murder of
two young women in a Westside motel
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early Sunday has become one
of the more bizarre cases
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in memory.
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[Larry] The killer leaves
the hotel.
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He has a duffel bag,
and he's stopped by
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two police officers who
were concerned for his safety
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as he walked through
Times Square.
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And he just explained
to the two cops
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that he was staying at
a nearby hotel.
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Everything was good.
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If only police had asked
to see what was inside the duffel bag.
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Perhaps the reason
he wasn't questioned more vigorously
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is because the killer
just seemed like another regular person.
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He was an average guy
who had a family.
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He had a wife and three
children, two boys and a girl.
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Had a home, had a job.
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And he was very disarming
to people because
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he didn't look abnormal
or disturbed or deviant
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in any way.
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Yet in New Jersey,
where he'd been raised,
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he'd been killing for years.
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Teenage Mary Ann Pryor
and Lorraine Kelly
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were going to the Jersey Shore
and they wanted to get bathing suits.
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So they were hitchhiking
to the Paramus Mall.
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In the '70s, what was very
normal was hitchhiking.
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A lot of these young kids
did it.
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And that was the fatal mistake
they made that day.
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[Steve] A man picked them up
and they never could have imagined
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what he planned to do.
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[Mike] Then he took them
to a hotel.
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[Steve] He had forced them in.
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[Mike] They were tied
to the bed so they couldn't escape during the night.
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And eventually,
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he drowned them
in the hotel bathtub.
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[Brenna] Mary Ann's family
heard on the radio
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that two bodies were found
in the woods.
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And then there was
a knock on the door.
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And it was the worst news
that any family could get.
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[Steve] He's known as
the Times Square killer.
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But it really is much
more the story,
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I think, of a suburban
double life killer.
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Police had no knowledge
of this guy.
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He's smart enough to know
that what he's doing out
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in New Jersey might not come
to the attention
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of law enforcement in New York
and vice versa.
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Law enforcement has always
been a tribal sort of thing,
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even though they like
to talk about working together,
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the communication
isn't always there.
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[Rod] The killer left
few clues, leaving investigators
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with nothing to go on.
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[Steve] This story terrified
local residents.
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If police had any suspects
in mind, they didn't include
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the actual perpetrator,
who was a mainframe
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computer operator
for a major insurance company.
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And he's pretty bright.
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And he knows it.
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He has a level of tech savvy.
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He's got his hobby,
his extracurricular activity,
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where he's out
murdering women.
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Chilling, horrifying
what he did to people.
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We're talking about
atrociously striking his female victims,
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cutting them, burning them.
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He was terrorizing women
very close to where he lived.
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Go back to being
a regular family man.
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It's a ridiculous dichotomy.
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His wife
and his three children
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never suspected a thing.
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He never raised any red flags.
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He just was at the point
where he wanted more
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and more and more,
and it just began to escalate.
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[Eleanor] I was at
the parking lot at work at the Quality Inn,
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waiting for a ride home.
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All of a sudden,
this car pulls up.
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And this guy with this stupid,
smirky smile, asking me,
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"Oh, can you come here?
Do you work in there?"
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And so now I'm like,
oh my God.
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So I'm not going
to go near that car.
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So I try walking around
the back of the car to get into the hotel.
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And he's now going
to back the car into me,
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so I couldn't get
the license plate.
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And I run in the door,
and I get Delia that worked there.
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"Delia, crazy guy out
there trying to get me."
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"What?"
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And we look out,
and he's gone.
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[Larry] A housekeeper walked
into room 132,
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and she noticed that the room
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has a bit of
a foul stench in it.
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She began cleaning up
the room, and as she tidied up
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and tried to vacuum under
one of the beds,
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she hit something
hard and large.
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[Eleanor] Delia was
cleaning 132.
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Next thing I know,
here comes Delia.
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She's white as a ghost,
and she's telling me, frantic,
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"I saw an arm.
I saw an arm."
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I go, "A what?"
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She says, "Under the bed.
I hit something under the bed.
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It was an arm."
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Not just an arm.
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It's a whole body naked,
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and the police are coming.
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A naked 19-year-old
woman with strawberry bleached blonde hair.
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Fingerprints would later
identify her as Valerie Ann Street,
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who came north from Florida
with a conviction
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for prostitution
in her home state.
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She was handcuffed
so tightly that it left
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deep marks on her wrists.
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There was a wound
on her lower back,
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which was apparently made
by some sort of knife.
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Police had begun retracing
her steps from the day before
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and realized that she had
started the day in New York.
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[Larry] Valerie Ann Street
had been seen
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by another sex worker
in Manhattan
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working a corner
at Madison Avenue and 32nd Street.
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[Steve] On the surface,
her exchange with a Manhattan office worker
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was no different
than any of her other interactions
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with her other customers.
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This appears to have been
a straight business transaction.
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He's the John.
She's the hooker.
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They make a deal.
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Eventually, the man brought
her to New Jersey.
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She showed up at the hotel
and registered for the room
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herself using her alias.
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She's then taken hostage
and tortured.
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He killed her and stuffed her
under the bed,
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and that's where
the housekeeper found her
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under the bed while
she was cleaning the room.
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This was one of the only
incidents where any sort of
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a usable court evidence
was found.
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In this case, it was
a fingerprint.
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[Eleanor] So the next day,
detectives called me into the office,
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and they're questioning me,
and they show me a picture of Valerie.
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And they go, "What does
she look like?"
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Well, she looks a little
like my blonde Tamron.
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"Have you noticed anything
strange around here?"
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And then I told them
about the incident
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in the parking lot
two weeks before that,
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how the car pulled up,
the guy had a stupid, smirky smile, and all that.
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I just got this weird, like,
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danger feeling,
stranger danger.
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And the detectives
kept calling me, Ellie,
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we think he's coming back.
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You have to listen
for everything.
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I said, I'll listen
for everything.
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I'm on it.
Yeah, I'm on it, boy.
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[Larry] By 1980,
the Times Square killer was committing crimes
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with more frequency.
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It was like he didn't have
a care in the world.
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He would do something
in New Jersey
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and then go right back
to New York
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looking for another victim.
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But he committed
his first murder over a decade earlier,
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when he was just a young man.
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He was 20 years old
when he evidently killed his first victim.
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Nancy Vogel is probably
the earliest known victim
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in 1967.
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She was a married woman
with two children.
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She lived in Little Ferry,
New Jersey.
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And she told her family
she was going out
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to play bingo in
the local church one night
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and never came back.
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[Brenna] And, you know,
rather horrifyingly,
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two schoolgirls found her
in her car.
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They thought she was
a mannequin.
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She was naked and bound,
and she had been strangled.
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[John] There were some
shopping bags in the trunk.
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Never quite knew why,
but the keys to the car were missing.
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They were nowhere
to be found inside,
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nor were they found outside
the vehicle.
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Why the keys were missing
and why the car was locked
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just didn't seem
to make sense.
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But it did point in
the direction of an unlikely suspect.
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On the day following
the report of her being missing,
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her brother showed up
at Little Ferry Police and said,
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"My sister is missing,
but I found her car keys,"
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and gave the police
the keys to her car.
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Investigators were thinking,
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How else could Nancy Vogel's
brother have her car keys
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unless he had killed her
and locked the car?
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He soon became a suspect
in his own sister's murder.
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But detectives couldn't find
any additional evidence
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that would link him
to the crime.
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So he was a suspect, nowhere
near enough to charge him.
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[Steve] Even though police
cleared him,
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that didn't stop some people
in his family from thinking
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that he committed
his own sister's murder.
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By now, sex workers
in New York had been warned about
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the Times Square Killer.
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I feel like most serial
killers end up getting kind of messy towards the end.
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Last winter, we told you
about several especially brutal murders
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of alleged prostitutes
here in New York.
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And so far, the murders
have gone unsolved.
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[Louis] When you get
a case like this,
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everybody wants to look for
a watershed event in his life
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that made him
a serial sexual murderer.
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But you're just not going
to find it.
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Poor parenting,
stressful events,
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and all of the rest of it
never are of help.
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But this is not something
that's learned,
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nor is it something a result
of some terrible event
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that happened
in his childhood from
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his mother, his father,
and so on.
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His parents,
they didn't make him to become a serial killer.
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That's him.
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In a 2009 French documentary,
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the killer reflected
on how he was different than most people.
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[Richard speaking]
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He may have had different
quirks like everybody else,
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but there was really
nothing in his demeanor
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or his presentation
that would make him stand out in any way.
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He went to high school.
He was on the track team.
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He had friends.
He may have had some difficulty with friends,
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but that's not really abnormal
in any significant way.
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[Rod]
He's a high school graduate, graduated in 1964.
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His father was
an executive with
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Metropolitan
Insurance Company,
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knew the business quite well,
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and encouraged his son
to go in that direction
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and gotten hired through his
father over
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at Metropolitan Life.
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He started at the bottom
in the mailroom.
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Eventually, he worked
his way up
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to mainframe
computer operator,
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and then he found
a better-paying job at Blue Cross Blue Shield.
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[Larry] It seemed like
a perfectly healthy father-son relationship,
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but like everything
else about the killer, there was a dark side.
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[Rod] The father would
coach him on what to do
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if he got into
an automobile accident
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because, of course,
if he had booze on his breath,
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he'd get the DUI.
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His father's advice
was to feign injury
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so that the police
would back off
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and they would bring the EMTs
and take him to the hospital.
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And by this time,
the cops are losing
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their opportunity
to get him for DUI
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because, of course,
the effect of the alcohol is starting to wear off.
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[Larry] There's no saying what
the father's influence
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might have really had
on this young man,
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but that alone doesn't explain
why he became what he became.
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I don't use words
like evil, but I think that
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there is something missing
in him.
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He preyed on all kinds
of women,
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but he preyed on
a lot of sex workers
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and people on
the margins of society.
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He probably thought
he had it down pat.
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I feel like most serial
killers end up getting kind of messy towards the end,
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and maybe
that's overconfidence
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or maybe it's wanting
to be caught somehow.
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[Larry] Leslie Ann O'Dell,
who is an 18-year-old
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who had just come to New York
after a four-day bus ride
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from her hometown of Olympia
in the state of Washington.
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[Dr. Melinda] It became
somewhat of a known quantity
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that if you landed
at the bus station,
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that there was probably
a fairly good possibility
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that there would be
various men out there
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who would provide you with all
sorts of glamorous promises.
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If you've been sitting on
a bus for seven days,
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you have to have been
totally exhausted
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and very difficult to make
decisions about what was good.
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[Steve] She found herself
in the clutches of a pimp.
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It was a horrible
situation for a teenager to find herself in.
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Leslie had no idea
that the man
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who would come out of nowhere
and pretend to be her savior
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was actually worse
than anything
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she could have imagined.
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Leslie Ann O'Dell is working
on Lexington Avenue
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on the east side of Manhattan
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when she meets
just a random guy,
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doesn't look like
anything special,
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but he offers her $100
in return for sexual favors.
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She agrees. They go to a bar.
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He keeps feeding her drinks.
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She spoke to him
a little bit about
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the situation that she was in.
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The man says to her,
I'll drive you out of the city,
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I'll take you to
a bus terminal over in Jersey,
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and you'll be on your way back
to your hometown in Olympia
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before your pimp even knows
that you're gone.
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By now, sex workers
in New York
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had been warned about
the Times Square killer,
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but the man seemed so sincere
that Leslie believed him.
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He looked completely normal.
He can speak very well.
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She needed someone
to help her.
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He's offering his help.
He seemed like a nice guy.
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She went along with him.
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Now the torture begins.
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He's got a gun.
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[Eleanor] I heard a commotion,
and I hear this girl.
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"Oh, my God, no.
Oh, my God, no."
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Welcome back
to Very Scary People.
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The Times Square killer
may have thought
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he could get away
with murder forever.
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He hid behind a mask
of respectability,
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wearing a suit to work
in New York
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and raising a family in
the suburbs of New Jersey.
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But by 1980, his crimes
are becoming more extreme,
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and the Times Square killer
is becoming more reckless.
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[Steve] Leslie Ann O'Dell
was only 18 years old.
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She had just arrived
in New York City
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from her home
in Washington State,
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and met a pimp
that charmed her
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and put her out on the street.
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She met a John in Manhattan
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who took her to a bar
and bought her some drinks.
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She confided to him that
she was in over her head,
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and she wanted to get away
from her pimp,
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and he offered
to take her back
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to a bus depot in New Jersey
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so she could go back to her
home in Washington State.
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[Larry] So this man
and Leslie come across
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the George Washington
Bridge chatting.
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He says to her, like, look,
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could the two of us have sex
before you head out?
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So she agrees to accompany him
to the Hasbrouck Heights
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Quality Inn,
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which has become his favorite
place to do his business.
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[Rod] The people
who work there,
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does he think
they're completely blind or stupid?
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He's got to realize
that he's raising, you know, some alarms,
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and, you know, who knows?
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Don't forget, he was dressed
like a businessman in a suit and tie.
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I guess you could say
he wasn't dressed like a killer.
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Once they get inside the room,
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he asks Leslie
if he could give her a massage
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before they have sex.
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She agrees to this,
and he pulls out a knife,
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holds it to her throat,
and immediately handcuffs her.
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In the 2009 documentary,
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he explained how excited
he got during these
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violent encounters.
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[Richard speaking]
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[Steve] Now
the torture begins.
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He's got a gun.
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He's telling her that
she's a whore
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and deserves to be punished.
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[Louis] The offender
very often has a twisted sense of morality,
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and so many of them
will say, you know,
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prostitutes and sex workers,
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I want to rid the world
of these sorts of things.
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For the next several hours,
you know,
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he sliced her with a knife.
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He whipped her
with a leather belt.
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And every time she passed out,
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he would use a damp
washcloth to revive her
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and go right back to it.
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Leslie Ann O'Dell
was a fighter.
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People don't expect
sex workers to fight back,
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but thank goodness O'Dell
was willing to fight for her life.
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[Larry] At one point during
her ordeal, she's uncuffed,
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and she immediately goes
for the gun that's nearby.
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And when she tries to use it,
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she realizes quickly
that it's a prop gun
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and it's going to be
of no help at all.
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[Eleanor] I heard a commotion
in 117.
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So I run over real quick,
put my ear to the door,
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and I hear this girl,
"Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God, no."
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And something about a gun.
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And then I hear,
like, a struggle,
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and it's coming closer
to the door.
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And the first thought,
of course, is the murderer.
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He's back. He's going
to murder the girl in 117.
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So I head up the hall to go
to the front desk to get help.
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"The girl's going
to be murdered. We got to save her."
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So Todd,
our assistant manager, he's knocking on 117.
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I don't know if this guy's
going to open the door and shoot him
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or what's going to happen,
but it was Leslie who opened
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the door a tiny bit
with a chain
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and stuck her little hand out
like this
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and was moving her eyes.
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And she's saying,
"Everything's okay,"
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which it wasn't,
which we knew.
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[Mike] She was able
to give a signal
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to the employees that made
them call the police.
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[siren wails]
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The police show up,
and this is his last stand.
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[Mike] And at that time,
he realized
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that he had to get out
of there.
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So he did take off,
ran down the hallway.
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This guy is running by
with a suit on
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and a gun and an attach� case.
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So I think it's a detective,
right, who would have a gun.
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So I said,
"Oh, did you get him?"
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And he points the gun.
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And with that, one of
the police come in the side door
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with their shotgun,
and they're aiming it at this guy.
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[Mike] The first responding
officer caught him in a stairway.
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[Eleanor] And then they had
the attach� case open
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with all this weird stuff
in it,
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black garbage bag,
adhesive tape, handcuffs.
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[Larry] A leather gag,
two slave collars,
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a switchblade, ankle cuffs,
replica pistols,
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and pills that he used
to knock his victims out.
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When I saw him arrested
sitting there,
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I realized it was the same guy
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that tried to get me
in the parking lot.
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That's... I could cry.
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That's when it gets
overwhelming.
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Police identified him as
33-year-old Richard Cottingham
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from Lodi, New Jersey.
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There were many cold cases
that existed at that time,
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and we believed
it was Cottingham.
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[Brenna] There was no way
for the jurisdictions in New Jersey
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and New York to communicate.
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If there had been
the Internet,
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if there had been websites,
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if there had been
the 24-hour news network
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that there is today,
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police departments in New York
might be able to say,
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"Hey, that murder
in New Jersey
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looks really similar
to this murder in Times Square."
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[Rod] It wasn't until
Cottingham was finally arrested
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and they finally were putting
two and two together
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that they looked
at these cases.
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[Mike] After police take
Cottingham into custody,
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he tries to play all this off.
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He carried his murder kit
in a attach� case.
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[Larry] The paraphernalia
that they recovered
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was just something that
he kept around
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because he was a fan
of bondage and domination.
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He said he wanted to see
what it felt like to have
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someone under his control.
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And that line has been used
a lot of times
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by different people who have
abused women sexually,
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and they explain it away,
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"We were just trying
something new."
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He's going to try to get
himself out of this in some way.
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And that's at least
an explanation to the authorities
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as to why they were
doing this.
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[Steve] But when police raided
his house,
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they found that the killer,
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who had been so careful
to cover his tracks,
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had actually left a stunning
record of his crimes.
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He had a trophy room
of souvenirs
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that he'd stolen from
the women he'd attacked.
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That's not uncommon
for killers
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to keep certain items
from their victims.
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He's cherishing them,
so to speak.
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He's putting them
in a safe place,
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in a room in his home,
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which he disallows
anyone to go to.
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His wife can't go in there.
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His children are forbidden
to go in there.
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And he's got a place
where he's keeping
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these little trinkets
to remember.
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They bring back a memory
of an incident
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that he largely enjoyed.
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It brings him gratification.
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Slowly, the potato
was peeling,
486
00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,327
and we learned more and more
about him and who he was.
487
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,530
Cottingham was raised in
a fairly middle-class family
488
00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:26,973
in New Jersey.
489
00:28:26,967 --> 00:28:29,897
The first of four children,
he had three younger sisters.
490
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,370
[Rod] He's raised Catholic.
491
00:28:33,367 --> 00:28:37,167
He was very nervous as
a child, very nervous growing up.
492
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:40,466
His mother was
an innocent soul.
493
00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:42,727
She didn't have a clue
of what was going on.
494
00:28:42,734 --> 00:28:48,534
She did offer some
explanations about him
495
00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:52,173
and his behavior
when he was young.
496
00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:53,726
She would say things like
497
00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:56,434
he would constantly
be chewing his nails,
498
00:28:56,433 --> 00:29:00,803
constantly be waving
and swishing
499
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,730
back and forth with his leg.
500
00:29:02,734 --> 00:29:04,904
[Larry] So we know he was
an anxious kid.
501
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,630
But aside from that,
no major red flags.
502
00:29:07,634 --> 00:29:10,504
No evidence that he was
torturing animals,
503
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,100
setting fires,
behavior you might expect from a serial killer.
504
00:29:15,734 --> 00:29:18,374
When people saw him
in the community,
505
00:29:18,367 --> 00:29:21,627
they saw this professional
working in New York,
506
00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:24,334
working in
the computer industry.
507
00:29:24,333 --> 00:29:27,003
[Steve] But there were secrets
that he was keeping from his wife.
508
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,500
He had several extramarital
affairs.
509
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,370
And just as his wife
was giving birth for the first time,
510
00:29:32,367 --> 00:29:35,267
he was arrested for taking
advantage of sex workers.
511
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,730
There were two cases,
one in '73 and one in '74.
512
00:29:41,734 --> 00:29:45,704
These were salacious
instances.
513
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:47,470
They involved robbery.
514
00:29:47,467 --> 00:29:49,267
They involved sexual assault.
515
00:29:49,266 --> 00:29:53,696
There was a charge of
unlawful imprisonment.
516
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,900
Okay, so we're talking
about handcuffs.
517
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,630
The prosecutors need
their testimony,
518
00:29:59,634 --> 00:30:01,804
and these women were refusing,
519
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,530
refusing to cooperate
to that extent.
520
00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:06,533
That's on Cottingham's side.
521
00:30:06,533 --> 00:30:08,173
He's frightened these women.
522
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,996
He's scared them to death.
523
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,800
He's threatened them
with weapons.
524
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,170
And they're afraid
of the police.
525
00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:18,466
He's got this mindset
that he's above the law.
526
00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:21,067
In some ways, that's because
he literally thought
527
00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:22,626
that he could get away
with murder.
528
00:30:23,634 --> 00:30:28,704
In 1977, when his youngest
child was just a year old,
529
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,530
Maryann Carr was taken
from the parking lot
530
00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:33,003
in her apartment complex.
531
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,326
Those who saw it later
told the police
532
00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:38,973
that they thought
it was the husband.
533
00:30:40,233 --> 00:30:43,433
[Larry] As it turned out,
after Cottingham was arrested,
534
00:30:43,433 --> 00:30:46,103
investigators were able
to determine that
535
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,500
the victim's husband
and he looked very much alike.
536
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,800
As long as Cottingham's
methods were working for him,
537
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,100
he just kept repeating
the same patterns.
538
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,870
He kidnapped two
of his victims
539
00:30:56,867 --> 00:30:59,097
from the same
apartment complex,
540
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,100
and he continually visited
the Quality Inn
541
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,530
in Hasbrouck Heights,
New Jersey.
542
00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:08,073
[Larry] In 1979,
Cottingham's wife filed for divorce.
543
00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:11,096
She said he regularly
stayed out all night
544
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,900
and stopped having sex
with her
545
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,700
after she had
their third child.
546
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,630
[Rod] She got tired of
being the woman
547
00:31:17,634 --> 00:31:21,704
who was taking care
of the house, taking care of everything.
548
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,170
And for whatever reason,
and I think
549
00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:26,226
it's his persuasiveness,
550
00:31:26,233 --> 00:31:28,903
she agreed to back off.
551
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,870
I think she was
a little more docile
552
00:31:31,867 --> 00:31:35,367
than a lot of women might be
with a guy like this,
553
00:31:35,367 --> 00:31:37,367
letting him get away
with the whole lot.
554
00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:41,534
Still, she had no idea that
she had married a killer.
555
00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:47,067
[male reporter]
Richard Cottingham is being arraigned today
556
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,366
on charges of murdering
a 19-year-old girl
557
00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,097
in a motel
in Hasbrouck Heights.
558
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,270
The victim, Valerie Street,
had been sexually abused
559
00:31:54,266 --> 00:31:55,426
and mutilated.
560
00:31:55,433 --> 00:31:57,233
Cottingham is a suspect
in the killing and mutilation
561
00:31:57,233 --> 00:32:00,803
of two prostitutes
last December in a 42nd Street motel.
562
00:32:02,367 --> 00:32:05,627
[Steve] In 1981,
Richard Cottingham was charged with murder,
563
00:32:05,634 --> 00:32:07,534
kidnapping and sexual assault
564
00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:10,633
in connection with five
different women in New Jersey.
565
00:32:10,634 --> 00:32:13,334
The first of three
scheduled trials.
566
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:15,733
He pleaded not guilty.
567
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,434
He kind of always
wanted his kids
568
00:32:17,433 --> 00:32:20,333
to think that there was
a hint that maybe he didn't do these things,
569
00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:21,333
maybe it wasn't him.
570
00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:23,333
He never confessed.
571
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:26,003
[male reporter] Cottingham's
blood type was found inside
572
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,800
the dead woman's hotel room.
573
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800
And that adhesive tape,
like that found on Valerie Street's mouth,
574
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,870
was found in Cottingham's car
when he was arrested.
575
00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:40,873
[Eleanor] I had to go
and testify every time and...
576
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,730
When I had to get up
and testify,
577
00:32:44,734 --> 00:32:48,704
they have it facing
where Cottingham's sitting.
578
00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:51,797
And he kept looking at me.
579
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,170
So, it was horrifying,
horrifying.
580
00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:58,866
As evidence piled up
against Cottingham,
581
00:32:58,867 --> 00:33:00,797
he attempted suicide in jail.
582
00:33:02,233 --> 00:33:06,233
Cottingham evidently made two
or three suicide gestures,
583
00:33:06,233 --> 00:33:08,703
but they were
very superficial.
584
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,900
On one occasion,
he broke his glasses
585
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,800
and tried cutting himself
with the shards.
586
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,630
He also tried slicing himself
with a razor
587
00:33:15,634 --> 00:33:19,004
and drinking liquid
antidepressants.
588
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,630
I think it was just
simple attention
589
00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:24,904
because I think if he wanted
to kill himself,
590
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:26,370
he was an expert at killing,
591
00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:28,497
then I think he probably
could have killed himself.
592
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,530
He was eventually sent back
to court
593
00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:32,433
to hear the judge
pronounce him guilty.
594
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:36,630
The sentence he declared
595
00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:40,734
must be for the protection
of modern society.
596
00:33:40,734 --> 00:33:44,274
There were multiple trials
that Richard Cottingham
597
00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:45,696
went through
598
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,530
and ultimately,
599
00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:50,373
the result of those
multiple trials
600
00:33:50,367 --> 00:33:53,427
resulted in numerous
life sentences
601
00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:54,633
for Richard Cottingham.
602
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:57,073
He probably won't get out
of jail.
603
00:33:57,066 --> 00:33:58,426
He's 34 years old now.
604
00:33:58,433 --> 00:34:00,973
He was sent to jail
for almost 200 years.
605
00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:03,997
[Rod] Finally,
his wife divorced him
606
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,530
after he was convicted
for these crimes.
607
00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:10,503
She moved up to New York State
to get away from New Jersey,
608
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,100
get away from Bergen County,
609
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,600
and that's where
she raised her kids.
610
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,100
[John] Even after Cottingham
was convicted,
611
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:27,270
there were many cold cases
that existed at that time
612
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:28,966
and continue to exist,
613
00:34:28,967 --> 00:34:32,497
but law enforcement
never forgets them.
614
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,070
When I first took
over as chief,
615
00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:40,266
I decided to assign
the homicide detectives
616
00:34:40,266 --> 00:34:45,096
to pull out a lot of the cold
cases, go through them,
617
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,730
and find whatever viable cases
618
00:34:47,734 --> 00:34:51,434
they felt they should
pursue and reopen.
619
00:34:51,433 --> 00:34:54,433
Many of the cold cases
in New York and New Jersey
620
00:34:54,433 --> 00:34:55,903
fit Cottingham's M.O.
621
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,430
So as the years passed
and Cottingham sat behind bars,
622
00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:02,333
detectives continued
to go through his old files.
623
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,633
They were hoping to link him
624
00:35:03,634 --> 00:35:05,734
to other unsolved murders
in the area.
625
00:35:11,367 --> 00:35:13,867
I went down there
and sat down with him,
626
00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:16,367
and I wasn't there
specifically
627
00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:20,367
to get him to confess
to these murders.
628
00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:24,497
I was there to see
if he would come and speak to our detectives.
629
00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:27,797
And he did end up calling
our office,
630
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,900
and there was
a young detective at the time back then.
631
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:33,470
His name was Rob Anzilotti.
632
00:35:33,467 --> 00:35:35,967
A lot of times to
get confessions,
633
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:38,897
you can't just walk into
a room and ask the person,
634
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,270
"Hey, did you do it?"
That's not gonna work.
635
00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:45,096
It takes time, it takes
dialogue, it takes patience,
636
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,900
and I felt he was
the right guy for the job.
637
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:52,370
And so they spent
about 17 years
638
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,167
going back and forth
and just talking.
639
00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:58,996
The serial killers, they like
that cat-and-mouse thing,
640
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,530
and even when they are caught
and they are in prison,
641
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:03,803
they enjoy the game.
642
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,070
You want to know something
that I know,
643
00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:07,626
so what are you gonna give me
for it?
644
00:36:07,634 --> 00:36:09,634
How are you gonna
twist it out of me?
645
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:12,104
And Cottingham definitely
continued that game
646
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,070
with Anzilotti for years.
647
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:17,596
[Mike] And Anzilotti
succeeded into
648
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,230
developing a rapport
with Cottingham,
649
00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:22,533
which led
to several confessions.
650
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,174
[Brenna] Nancy Vogel was
the first confession
651
00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,696
Cottingham gave
to Detective Anzilotti.
652
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:43,630
Cottingham claimed he drove
her up to a wooded area
653
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,804
in Montvale, New Jersey,
near the New York State line.
654
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:52,000
He killed her there
and put her in the backseat of her car,
655
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,330
because that's the car
they used to get up there,
656
00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:58,173
and he left the car
in a residential neighborhood
657
00:36:58,166 --> 00:37:00,226
back near her home
658
00:37:00,233 --> 00:37:03,633
and walked back to the hotel
where his car was.
659
00:37:03,634 --> 00:37:06,534
You might not believe this,
but there are many people out there
660
00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:11,173
that confess to crimes
that they have absolutely no connection with.
661
00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:15,526
I had to satisfy myself that
it was indeed Mr. Cottingham
662
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,173
that committed this crime.
663
00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:20,266
I am the prosecutor,
and I am the only one that
664
00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:23,426
can actually authorize
the warrant to charge
665
00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:24,633
Cottingham with murder.
666
00:37:24,634 --> 00:37:26,704
And I recall there
were two things
667
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,170
that I was told
that tied him to it.
668
00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:33,166
That he took the car keys
and he threw them away.
669
00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:35,996
That was never in
any press release.
670
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,070
Only the killer would
have known that,
671
00:37:38,066 --> 00:37:40,326
that the keys were not left
in the car.
672
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:42,373
The second thing is
he told us about
673
00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:46,167
the Valley Fair shopping
bags in the truck.
674
00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:49,166
Only the killer would
have known that.
675
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:53,496
And then Nancy Vogel's son
told me something that I didn't expect.
676
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,270
He said,
"I can't believe this.
677
00:37:58,266 --> 00:38:00,996
All these years, I thought
it was my uncle."
678
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,630
Cottingham had told us
he threw the keys away,
679
00:38:03,634 --> 00:38:06,634
so we knew that
when the uncle put the keys
680
00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:07,804
on the police desk,
681
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,900
it was just an extra set.
682
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:17,800
So, Nancy Vogel's two children
received two gifts that day.
683
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,470
The first gift is
the man who killed
684
00:38:20,467 --> 00:38:23,267
their mother was brought
to justice.
685
00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:26,866
The second gift is
it was never their uncle.
686
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,530
Over the next ten years,
Cottingham confessed
687
00:38:33,533 --> 00:38:36,333
to Anzilotti about three
more murders.
688
00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:39,903
The trails of which had
all gone cold.
689
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,170
In 2021, Robert Anzilotti
was about to retire.
690
00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:44,696
But there was another
cold case that
691
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,800
had been bothering detectives
for years.
692
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,170
The murders of teenagers
Lorraine Kelly and Mary Ann Pryor.
693
00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:55,796
They were going down
the Jersey Shore in August 1974.
694
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,530
They were going bathing suit
shopping before that.
695
00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:04,503
They had planned to hitchhike
from their homes.
696
00:39:05,533 --> 00:39:07,803
Five days later,
their bodies were discovered
697
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,100
in a construction site.
698
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,070
I wanted that case solved
and we had believed
699
00:39:14,066 --> 00:39:15,626
it was Cottingham.
700
00:39:15,634 --> 00:39:18,734
[Brenna] So, right before
Anzilotti's retiring,
701
00:39:18,734 --> 00:39:21,804
Cottingham pleads guilty
to Mary Ann Pryor
702
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,530
and Lorraine Kelly.
703
00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:27,433
According to him, he picked
them up and it was raining.
704
00:39:27,433 --> 00:39:29,173
They sat in the car
for a while together.
705
00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:31,896
First, he took them
to a McDonald's to get something to eat.
706
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,730
Then he took them to a hotel.
707
00:39:33,734 --> 00:39:35,734
He brought them
into the hotel room.
708
00:39:35,734 --> 00:39:38,734
He had them tied up
and he spent several days
709
00:39:38,734 --> 00:39:39,804
with them in the hotel.
710
00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:45,433
He did bad things
to them and ended up
711
00:39:45,433 --> 00:39:48,373
drowning them in a bathtub.
712
00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,697
[Mike] And he brought them up
to the New York State line
713
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,370
and dumped their two bodies.
714
00:39:54,367 --> 00:39:57,727
[Steve] The only reason that
he admitted to Anzilotti
715
00:39:57,734 --> 00:40:00,074
that he killed Mary Ann Pryor
and Lorraine Kelly
716
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:01,866
was because Anzilotti
was retiring
717
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:03,727
and that was
his farewell gift.
718
00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:07,274
[John] I know that
Rob Anzilotti didn't look at it as a gift.
719
00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:09,996
He looked at it as a gift
for the families.
720
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,500
Somewhere I knew
the Pryor and Kelly families
721
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,100
would begin to now maybe enjoy
never a normal life,
722
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,370
but a better life.
723
00:40:24,233 --> 00:40:26,903
So, Cottingham
is now in his 70s.
724
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,370
He's in very poor health,
in a wheelchair.
725
00:40:30,367 --> 00:40:33,797
He knows that he doesn't have
a lot of time left.
726
00:40:34,967 --> 00:40:37,227
[Brenna] There's tons of
unsolved crimes
727
00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:38,533
in New Jersey and New York,
728
00:40:38,533 --> 00:40:41,273
and who knows how many
of them are Cottingham.
729
00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:43,266
Time is ticking for him
to start confessing
730
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:44,526
to the rest of these.
731
00:40:45,433 --> 00:40:47,503
[Eleanor] It affected me
a great deal.
732
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,500
I tell my grandchildren,
you don't walk down the street
733
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,370
by yourself.
734
00:40:51,367 --> 00:40:56,227
I am, like, super
over-cautious.
735
00:40:56,233 --> 00:40:58,973
I wouldn't even let
my granddaughter walk from the bus stop
736
00:41:00,634 --> 00:41:02,734
down a quarter of a block.
737
00:41:02,734 --> 00:41:05,274
[laughs] I didn't even want
her on a bus.
738
00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:06,596
You know, you get driven
to school,
739
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,800
you get picked up from school.
740
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,630
[Steve] According
to what Cottingham told journalist Nadia Fezzani
741
00:41:12,634 --> 00:41:14,874
in a 2009 documentary,
742
00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:16,227
there's still a lot of murders
743
00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:18,173
that the police
don't know about.
744
00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:20,496
So, how many victims
do you think you have?
745
00:41:21,634 --> 00:41:23,734
Oh, I know exactly how many.
746
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,630
[chuckles]
747
00:41:28,233 --> 00:41:29,873
Over 85.
748
00:41:30,467 --> 00:41:31,897
Under 100.
749
00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:40,796
Despite the passage of time
750
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,230
and Richard Cottingham's
declining health,
751
00:41:43,233 --> 00:41:45,973
law enforcement is still
vigorously trying to connect
752
00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:48,527
cold cases
to the Times Square killer.
753
00:41:48,533 --> 00:41:50,273
Thanks to the tenacity
and grit
754
00:41:50,266 --> 00:41:51,966
of the detectives
on the case,
755
00:41:51,967 --> 00:41:55,697
in December 2022,
Cottingham finally admitted
756
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,370
to killing five
Long Island women
757
00:41:57,367 --> 00:42:01,227
between 1968 and 1973.
758
00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:03,373
We can only hope
that even more of his victims
759
00:42:03,367 --> 00:42:05,267
will find justice.
760
00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:08,896
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
Thanks for watching. Good night.
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