All language subtitles for Very Scary People s05e06 Twin 2.eng

[Lorie Howard] Larry Hall,
he comes across as being very ordinary,

almost seems somewhat
child-like at times.

He doesn't look
like a monster,

but make no mistake about it,
he's a monster.

He talked about the most
horrific and gruesome things

that one person can do
to another human being,

and didn't see the need
to apologize at all,

or show any type of regret...

and that's scary.

[theme music playing]

Welcome to Very Scary People.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Masquerading behind
the false front of an ordinary man

lived a brutal killer,
a stealth predator,

creeping along
the barren back roads of central Indiana,

targeting young women
to kidnap and kill.

He buried victims' bodies
so they'd never be found.

But can this cold-hearted
monster be made to reveal

where he hid
at least one of them?

A risky plan
is launched to find Tricia Reitler's remains

and grant her parents' wish
to return her to her family.

This is part two
of "The Twin."

[male reporter] Tricia Reitler
took a walk off campus

and never came back to
Indiana Wesleyan University.

We've got a missing
college student in Indiana.

You look behind every bush.

If there's a dog house,
you look in the dog house.

If there's a trash can,
you look in the trash can.

Not knowing what happened,

where she is,
it's a nightmare.

[male reporter]
Some of her clothing was found two days later

with a small amount of blood.

Investigators believe
Reitler was abducted,

but by whom, where and why?

Some kind of violent
altercation occurred.

[Casey Jordan] She would've
been overpowered.

She was subdued and taken
to a different location

where she was most likely
assaulted and killed.

[Donna Reitler]
She's not just a story,

she's not just a case.

She's our... Our daughter.

She's gone, and...

our lives will never be okay.

[female narrator]
In September of 1993,

a 15-year-old
named Jessica Roach

was out just riding
her priced mountain bike

along a rural road.

I picked up a lot of dust
going past her,

but I slowed way down,
so she pulled off,

stood there,
watched me drive by.

waved...
Real smiley and waved.

But on her drive home,
she sees

Jessica's bike abandoned
in the middle of the road.

Oh, my God, she's gone!

[Gary Miller] We do not
have a runaway,

we don't have
just a missing person.

There was foul play.

Two months later,
across the state lines in Indiana...

A farmer was shearing through
his corn field,

and he looked down
and saw a dark object between the rows of corn.

[Jordan]
He's absolutely horrified to discover a dead body.

[Joni Johnston] The medical
examiner was able to take one fingerprint.

This was, in fact,
Jessica Roach.

[Miller]
There were indications in the neck area

of some type of
strangulation.

[Johnston] The fact
that her body is found across state lines,

several miles away,

adds to the mystery.

Who would do this?

[Jordan] A few months
after Jessica Roach's body was found,

two other teenage girls,

also from Georgetown,
Illinois,

reported that a man in a van
had been stalking them.

We were riding our bikes,

and just appeared
this loud van.

He slowed down
and, like, stared at us.

He's definitely
following us.

And we just took off.

[Kaylen Hoskins]
We didn't know what he was gonna do.

All I could see
was his headlights

because he was right...
Right there behind us.

We cut down an alley where
his van was not going to be able to fit through.

Riding as fast as we could
to get back to her house.

It's the most terrifying thing
that's ever happened to me in my life,

and I'll never forget
his face.

I just remember
seeing like, bushy...

-Weird hair and
stuff down the sides. -Cheek hair.

[Kaylen Hoskins] Yeah.

In March of 1994,

two more teenage girls
report being stalked by a man in a van.

They've got
his license plate number.

And they identified
the registered owner as Larry Hall.

Larry never came across
that way, as being a predator.

[Ron Woodward]
I've known him since he was in junior high school.

He was kind of a loner,
was very quiet.

Stayed to himself.

[Gary Hall] He had a really
bad acne problem in school

and he was made fun
of a lot in school.

He didn't know
how to approach a woman.

He didn't know
how to talk to a woman.

One instance that
I noticed between Larry and Gary

and women was...

Saturday night,
we were walking around the town,

Gary had split off
from Larry and I

and then, suddenly,

Gary comes back
with two women.

Larry and I looked
at each other and said "No, oh, no. No."

But that, to me,
gave me an impression that Gary was more

apt to approach women
than his brother Larry.

[Jordan]
In November of 1994,

the lead detective Gary Miller
goes to Indiana to interview Larry Hall.

Detective Miller
is investigating

whether or not
Hall was involved

in the murder
of Jessica Roach.

I had a picture,
it was a school picture of Jessica Roach.

[Jordan] And he presents
the photo to Larry Hall.

[Miller] And Larry
meekly just, uh...

Just flinched to the right
and turned his head,

and then he said, "No,"
but he would not look at the picture.

And ten days later,
he sits down with him again.

Larry Hall confessed

to the murder
of Jessica Roach.

[female reporter]
Hall told authorities,

Jessica was crying
and asking for her mother,

and that made him angry.

He says he then leaned
Jessica up against a tree,

told her
he was going to let her go.

Then went behind her
and strangled her.

But Larry's confession
continued beyond Jessica Roach.

[John Miller]
And they're starting to realize,

"This is way bigger
than we thought."

He admitted to
the Tricia Reitler murder.

"In late March of '93,
I was over in Marion Indiana.

I needed to be with somebody.

I do remember
she tried to run away.

I had a knife to scare her.

I put her in the van.

I recall being on a canvas
in the woods having sex.

I sat her up against a tree

and put a belt
around her neck."

And he confesses to killing
a couple of other people that he doesn't name.

[Hillel Levin]
"I went to Anderson, Indiana,

and exactly
the same thing happened.

I picked up this girl,
it was in Indianapolis,

I picked up several girls
in other areas.

All the girls looked alike.

I cannot remember
all of them."

[Belinda Stack]
After learning that he had a twin brother,

I've often wondered

if his brother wasn't
as crazy as he is.

I've often wondered
if he didn't help Larry.

There is a huge question mark
in terms of his brother Gary

and whether
he was involved or not.

[inaudible]

Two young girls
were attacked and murdered

before Larry Hall
was ultimately brought in,

questioned and confessed.

I arrested him
after the interview.

[Larry Beaumont]
He was charged with a federal kidnapping,

and causing a death

in the course of committing
that kidnapping.

[John Miller] The FBI
searched the house.

What they needed was evidence.

And they went about
searching for...

blood evidence,
DNA, trace evidence.

Anything that they could use
to validate that confession in front of a jury.

There was no forensic evidence
against Larry.

Among the things
that made Larry so dangerous

is he did have experience
as a janitor.

If you look at his notes,
he is careful

about making sure he has
certain types of chemicals.

[Jackson]
There's a search of his van.

Authorities find this journal
where Larry Hall kept meticulous notes

with respect to his crimes.

[Levin] "April 5, 1993.

Vacuum van thoroughly,

sprayed down chemicals,

wiped with Armor All.

Clean all tools
with denatured alcohol."

[Johnston]
Three days go by,

and Agent Randolph
is getting several phone calls

from the jail,
from Larry Hall,

saying,
"I want to talk with you,"

and so Agent Randolph
sits down again with Larry Hall

who says,
"These were actually dreams, it's not real."

He recants
the things he had said.

[Beaumont] We ultimately
did give Larry Hall a polygraph exam.

Later on,
after he was charged.

The questions are
specifically about

did you kidnap Jessica Roach
and did he, you know, cause her death...

which he failed.

[Jackson]
There's a reason that Larry took back his confession.

I think his quote was,
"My brother told me to shut up 'cause I was in big trouble."

Gary was well aware
of his brother Larry's deep personal troubles,

both present and past.

Now the strange story here is,

after about
a year and half of age,

Larry started looking
different.

His eyes were deeper set
and dark,

and they call it, like,
the thousand-yard stare.

It's like
he didn't have any soul.

At age six,
my brother Larry, all of a sudden walks up on me

with a full-size
cement block,

and tries to crush
my skull with it.

At age ten, he pulled
a butcher knife in the kitchen for no reason at all.

He was very jealous of me.

Rage would come out of him.

And it always culminated with
him threatening to kill me.

Criminologists studying
the childhood behaviors of suspected serial killers,

look at behaviors related
to the MacDonald triad.

The MacDonald triad
is, you know,

chronic bed-wetting,
fire setting,

and animal cruelty.

Interestingly enough,
Larry Hall does have all three.

He was a bed-wetter,

and he was
very ashamed of that.

He did help set fire

to several buildings in town.

In fact, he was even arrested.

And there is this story

that at one point,
Larry killed, you know,

over 300 rabbits
that were in their home.

[Gary Hall] We woke up
the next morning,

cages had been ripped open.

It's like somebody
took a butcher knife

and slaughtered
all 380 of our rabbits.

There is a link

between animal cruelty
and cruelty to humans later on.

Can you harm an animal
and not care?

Do you harm a person
and not care?

All those kind of things
would certainly be red flags for me.

Once Larry Hall
was finally charged,

now detectives
from all over the country

were connecting him
to cold cases in their states

that dated back years.

[John Miller]
Michelle Dewey, 1991,

she's with her son
in the backyard.

[Jackson]
That tranquil setting would soon be shattered.

The young mom
was preyed upon by a killer

who strangled her to death.

Michelle Dewey's murder
is discovered by her babysitter

who's coming to the house
to take care of her son.

The son is found unharmed
hiding in a closet.

The murder seemed
to fit the MO of Larry Hall perfectly.

Young women in her 20s,

strangled to death
in the 1990s,

within striking distance
of Larry Hall's hometown.

[Levin]
When a cold case detective

questioned him
about that murder,

he mentioned

a souvenir he took
from her home.

A record album was taken

only the killer
would've known about,

but otherwise
there hasn't been any other evidence

that would tie him
to that crime.

[Jackson] Laurie Depies
was yet another unsolved case

connected to Larry Hall's
admitted past.

[female reporter]
The last night she was seen,

Laurie Depies had left her job
at the Fox River Mall

and headed
to her boyfriend's apartment.

The three people inside
waiting for Laurie

knew she had pulled into
the parking lot

because of her car's
notoriously loud exhaust.

[Jackson] Years later,

Larry Hall admitted
to the abduction and murder of Laurie Depies.

And he also said
that she placed a soda cup on top of her car.

A detail like that
is what Larry gave Wisconsin State Police,

who sounded like
they were as close to indicting him

on that case as any case.

Larry's trial began on
May 23rd of 1995.

[female reporter]
The Wabash, Indiana man put up to life in prison.

Hall signed a statement
in which he confessed to the killing,

along with the murders
of an Indiana Wesleyan student, Tricia Reitler,

and two other unnamed females.

But police in Marion, Indiana
still had doubts

about Larry Hall's involvement

in the murder
of Tricia Reitler.

Information provided
will be followed up,

but at this time,
it has not resulted in any conclusion

in the disappearance
of Tricia Reitler.

Marion police didn't believe
he's involved in the Tricia Reitler kidnapping.

From the outset
of Tricia Reitler's disappearance,

the police focused
almost exclusively

on one suspect.

A 28-year-old man
named Tony Searcy.

[Michael Sangiacomo]
But he was only charged with theft.

Sometimes police
do get tunnel vision

and they don't want to hear
anything else.

[Loren Roach] The defense
wanted everybody to think

that Larry Hall
was this merely

mild-mannered little guy,

that he would not hurt anybody

and that he had this low IQ.

He was talking about
dreams that he had.

[Levin]
Assistant U.S. Attorney Larry Beaumont

very methodically laid out

the women he stalked,

which is why he brought in
the Tricia Reitler case,

shows a whole pattern
of behaviors.

[John Miller]
The picture they're painting of Larry Hall

is that of a stalker,
a predator.

Somebody who was hunting
all the time.

The first trial
in federal court is eight days,

and it goes to the jury.

The verdict was guilty.

And... I just cried.

[John Miller]
Larry Hall goes to jail,

and his lawyers
appealed the conviction.

And an appeals court agrees,

and they set aside
his conviction

and give him a new trial.

I was shocked
when it came back that way.

The problem was

that the judge believed
Larry was coerced into a confession.

[Jordan] There being
no physical evidence,

this raises the question,

was it a false confession?

[Levin] The judge felt that
given his shy nature,

it was, in fact,
very important that they have that

third-party expert.

That false confession expert
would focus on

analyzing the summary
of his sworn statement

to determine whether or not
it actually is a confession,

or whether
it's a false confession.

We tried the case
in August of 1997.

[Richard Ofshe]
I would get to explain

innocent people did
sometimes give confessions

to crimes they didn't commit,

that this was not some
bizarre hoax.

[John Miller] Larry Hall,
after being convicted of the murder of Jessica Roach,

appeals and he wins
a new trial.

He's still being held
in prison,

but this entire case
is about to be relitigated.

[Levin] So the second trial,
they have that third-party expert

talking about how
people can be coerced

into false confessions.

[Richard Ofshe]
Why would anyone

give a false confession?

The first major step

is to try to make
the person believe

that their situation
is hopeless.

And if you can also lie
to them about the evidence,

it becomes child's play

to get somebody to think,
"I may have committed the crime."

[Roach]
You're always nervous.

The jury is a different jury.

[John Miller]
But the jury's conclusion was the same.

They agreed
with the first jury.

He was convicted
and sentenced to life

without the possibility
of parole.

The problem was,
then the case was appealed.

He had every reason to believe
he would win another appeal.

Typically, it could take
as much as a year or two

for the appeals court to rule.

[Jackson]
While they're waiting for their second appeal,

the prosecutor refuses
to sit still.

He wants to do something
for Tricia Reitler's family.

[Beaumont] I ended up seeing
Tricia Reitler's family

suffering deeply because
they never found her body.

So there was no closure.

The only person
that would actually know

where that body was,
was Larry Hall.

The question was
getting Larry Hall to tell us.

[Jordan] Prosecutor Beaumont
comes up with a scheme

to take an undercover
operative to gain the trust of Larry Hall,

so that they can get
the information

about where the bodies
could be buried.

[Beaumont] The easiest
way was to get somebody that's already in prison.

And I love the idea
of using a criminal to catch a criminal.

[Jackson] First, Beaumont
had to find the right convict for the job.

Someone who's
got the gift of gab,

who can gain
someone's confidence,

and create a relationship
with Larry Hall.

James Keene.

[interviewer]
Do you prefer James?

I go by Jimmy, actually.

[John Miller]
Jimmy Keene, he's a criminal.

But almost everybody
who dealt with Jimmy Keene,

even in his life of crime,
liked him.

He was a likeable guy.

He was also
in serious trouble.

He's doing a ten-year bit
in federal prison.

[Levin] Larry Beaumont met
with Jimmy.

He slid the manila
folder over to me.

Then when I opened it up,
there was a picture of a young, dead girl.

We know that
Larry had a type.

The typical target was
someone with darker brown, long, curly hair.

Fairly dark eyes,
and they were smaller in stature.

[Levin] And who did
those women look like?

They looked like
Gary's first wife.

I think that
Gary's marriage

and subsequent
moving out of the house had an effect.

[D'Ambrosia] This was
a trauma for him.

Larry felt
completely abandoned, out of his depth

and unsure of how
to get through life without his twin brother.

About that time of
the marriage

is when Larry
begins to become more aggressive.

I think that
the separation from Gary was huge

precipitating
stressor for Larry.

[Levin] So it could point to
why Larry

targeted women
with that hairstyle,

and that size,
and that physique.

I was looking for
Tricia Reitler's body,

befriend Larry Hall,
and get Larry Hall to tell him where that body was.

So that's your mission.
Find the body.

I said, "So, what can I do?"
He says, "We're wanting to send you into

a maximum-security
penitentiary that has a psych wing."

[Beaumont] The Medical
Center at the Federal Bureau of Prisons

in Springfield,
Missouri.

He's going in with a bunch
of people who are convicted of terrible murders.

Obviously,
it's dangerous.

And he says, "Jimmy."
He says, "Listen.

We're willing
to make this worth your while.

We're willing
to completely wash your record."

He's being
offered his release from prison.

I decide that
I'm going to do it.

I had pictures,
I had detailed notes of everything.

So at night,
when everybody would go to sleep,

I would read up on him
to get a feeling of his personality,

all the insights
I could find about him.

Until we started
taking the drive to Springfield,

and this is just as
the light's starting to come up on the horizon.

So you can see
the prison glistening.

I looked at it
and I thought, oh, my gosh. You know, I mean...

And I did.
I started to get cold feet.

I'm classified
as a low-level, nonviolent offender.

But I'm going to go
into a maximum-security prison with a violent offender.

In a whole world
of violent offenders, could I do this?

There's a term in prison.
"Snitches get stitches."

So they don't look
kindly upon people who rat out other prisoners.

Welcome back to
Very Scary People.

Larry Dwayne Hall
knew he was locked up for life,

with no possibility
of parole.

But what Hall did not know
was that his trusted new friend on the cell block

was actually
a government operative.

A plant sent in
by the prosecutor

to get him
to reveal the precise location

of missing murder victim,
Tricia Reitler.

[prisoners shouting
indistinctly]

I was sitting around
in the cell for maybe five minutes

and the
morning bell rang.

-[bell ringing]
-And I had no idea where I was going.

And so I just
kind of followed the crowd.

Keene gets into
that federal prison, the first thing he does

is he bumps into
Larry Hall. And when I say bumps into him,

he actually
bumps into him on purpose.

[Keene] When I seen him,
I said, "Oh, excuse me. I'm new here."

I said, "You wouldn't
happen to know where the library is, would you?

He says, "The library
is down the hallway."

I kind of slapped
him on the shoulder and I said,

"Thanks a lot.
I appreciate that from a cool guy like you."

And he says,
"You think I'm cool?"

He looks at me
in this bizarre, spaced-out fashion. He says,

"Do you want
me to show you where the library's at?"

I was like,
"Yeah."

[Levin] Jimmy
approached Larry eventually in the library,

where he knew Larry
would look at the Wabash hometown papers.

I had slowly
built up a friendship in that way.

Since they were both
from the same region, Larry was guarded.

But he truly
did want Jimmy's friendship.

I think he did look at me
as an older brother.

A much cooler
version of his brother.

Jimmy Keene is
playing a psychological strategy game

to get into Larry Hall's
field of trust.

You're not
going to tell people who you killed

or literally where
the bodies are buried unless you trust them.

And he's
trying to accelerate this process.

[John Miller] Jimmy realized
that a few things were real important

in Larry's life
at the point.

One of them
was watching TV andAmerica's Most Wanted.

[narrator] Now from
our Washington crime center, John Walsh.

[John Miller]
Larry and his friends really loved seeing

anything about
serial killers on television.

[Keene] This big guy
decided he was going to turn the TV channel.

Larry was
terrified of the guy.

I walked up
to the TV and I turned the channel back.

He jumped up.

"You touch that
TV again, I'm going to rip your head off."

He turns the channel back.

When he sat back down,
I pushed the button and turned it again.

Now I know
it's pretty much on at that point.

He takes a wild
haymaker swing at me.

And then
I kicked him through three rows of chairs.

He was beat up
real bad and had to go to the hospital.

[John Miller] Jimmy
showed his loyalty to Larry that way.

And that really was,
I think, the key in developing that friendship.

[John Miller] At this point,
Jimmy felt he could accelerate the relationship.

But now,
he has to get Larry Hall to open up.

And it dawned on me.

TheWabash Plain Dealer.

I said, "You know,
my mom was real close to the Indiana border.

And she gets
theWabash Plain Dealer."

And I said,
"ThatWabash Plain Dealer has several stories about you

killing lots of
different girls." And he looked at me.

And his eyes bugged
out of his head,

and he starts,
in a pleading way,

he says,
"You know, James, it's not like they say.

It's not... It didn't
happen that way. It didn't happen that way."

And he starts to
give incriminating details.

I had to sit there
and let this piece of human garbage say whatever

he's going to say,
but at least he's talking.

And it took
Jimmy Keene months to get Larry to open up.

Larry starts,
in a pleading way, "No, James, it's not like they say.

It didn't happen that way.
It didn't happen that way.

Those girls all liked me.
They all liked me."

He would talk about
the victims as though they were his girlfriends.

He describes
those things almost like a,

you know, relationship
kind of way.

"I just wanted
to be with the girl."

Those are
not things that were alarming

until you realize
this is what this means.

"Be with somebody"
means raping and killing them.

[Keene] Once I got him
to feel comfortable,

I said, "Well, what really
happened, you know, with Tricia Reitler?

What happened with her?"

[Levin] Then Larry
started giving up more and more about what her knew.

Some details
that had not previously come out.

[Keene] He said that
he had seen her walking down the street,

and he had pulled up
to her and he started talking to her.

Said that she was very nice.

And when he went to make
an aggressive, forward move towards her to kiss her,

she stopped him.
And he went to grab for her again.

And she put up
a really big fight with him.

I could see her fighting
and doing all the things

that Larry
described that she did to him.

It certainly
fit her personality.

They were in
for one heck of a fight.

She wasn't
going to go easy.

[Jackson] The attack
on Tricia Reitler was not only terrifying

because of how
brutally violent it was,

but because of
how prepared Larry Hall seemed to be,

because of the
murder kit in his van.

[Keene] His van was a little
house of horror.

I mean, he had
that thing set up

that once he's got
you in there, you're not getting out of there.

He would
shackle you down.

He had tarps down
all over the main floors,

so no DNA
could ever get put down to the main floor.

And he has
an out-of-body experience.

And he says
he sees him choking her.

When he wakes up,
both their clothes are off.

And he's laying next to her.
And he says, "I did it again."

The evil side of him
killed the girl.

Now he panicked.
And he didn't know what to do with this one here.

So he drove to
his home, which was about 20 minutes away.

He got some lime together,
he got a shovel and he got a lantern,

and he drove her
way out into the woods

and he buried
her out in the woods.

That was another element
of the crime that he hadn't talked about previously.

What Jimmy Keene
needs from Larry is, he needs more.

He needs Larry
to tell him about the murder of Tricia Reitler

and where that body is.

[Jordan] Jimmy Keene
stepped into the prison workshop.

And he saw Larry Hall.
He had a map.

He immediately
dove on that map and covered the map up.

[Jordan] But not
before Jimmy Keene sees that there's this

map of Illinois and Indiana
with red dots distributed around that map

that would indicate,
perhaps, the location of the burial sites.

[Keene] And I come up
over his shoulder, and I grab one of the falcons.

And I said," Wow,
this is pretty cool, Larry." I said, "What is this?"

He says, "They watch
over the dead."

Larry Hall had carved
falcons to symbolically fly over the crime scenes.

[Johnston] And to Jimmy Keene,
he immediately feels like he has basically won the lottery

in terms of
figuring out where all these bodies are.

Jimmy Keene
calls his handler on the outside.

[Keene] I did try to make
a call to the FBI when I left the woodshop.

I left a message
that I thought I had this whole thing solved

and we needed to talk.

I went back
to my cell and I felt that I had

pretty much tied this up
in a nice little bow.

[Levin] He felt the
authorities were ready

to rush into Springfield,
get him out.

The FBI has told me
they'll have me out of here on a 24-hour notice.

[Jordan] Just when
he's on the edge of really

breaking Larry Hall
and getting that information the police need,

he makes the really
tragic error of blowing up on Larry Hall.

[John Miller] Of course,
none of this, because they were in prison, was on tape.

But it has been
pretty well dramatized

on the Apple TV
original series Black Bird.

You demented
[bleep] monster!

Beaumont sent you, didn't he?

He did, didn't he?

[Keene] I said,
"You're going to sit here and rot

the rest of your life."

And I went back
across to my cell.

And I thought,
you know, good.

[Jackson] But the problem
is the FBI handler didn't get the message right away.

Hall now had
the time to dispose of the map and the falcons.

[Johnston] I think his
survival mode kicks in.

If the find this map
and these falcons, but in particularly the map,

the gig could be up.

And the map
and the falcons were probably destroyed.

We needed
a specific location. That, we didn't get.

[Beaumont] And they brought
Jimmy straight back to my office in Central Illinois.

And he was
interviewed, debriefed.

I made arrangements for
Jimmy to take a polygraph test

to verify what
he told us during the debriefing.

I was comfortable
that what he was telling us was true.

[Jackson]
The prosecutor felt that Jimmy Keene

had gotten enough
information and confession

from Larry
to really call the operation an overall success.

He releases
Jimmy Keene from prison.

I filed a motion
to give Jimmy Keene credit for time served.

And the judge
agreed to do that.

[Levin] Coincidentally,
the appeals court did rule on the second trial.

And Larry's
appeal was denied.

The Larry Hall
horror show did not end with Jimmy Keene.

[Jackson] The fierce
interest in Larry Hall has never stopped.

Investigators are still
probing into his background and past history

to determine what
he's been involved with.

I did not want
to pretend I thought he was innocent.

[Jackson]
Author Hillel Levin actually got permission

to speak with and record
a prison call

that he did with
Larry Hall for his book.

The writer asks
Larry about his pattern of recanting confessions,

saying they're
all dreams.

I said to him,
"Do you think the dreams are really the window

through which
the good Larry is looking at what the bad Larry is doing?"

And his response was...

Larry Hall went on to
admit that he would habitually show up at crime scenes

in the aftermath
of his attack.

It is certainly not uncommon
for serial killers, sexually motivated offenders

to insert themselves
into a search.

He was actually
around when they were looking for Tricia Reitler.

When she was first
kidnapped, he was, like, trying to help the police.

So he was at the scene.

[Howard]
We know that Grace was sexually assaulted.

We know that she
was probably strangled.

And that led me
to Larry Hall.

I needed to hear from him.
I needed to see him.

The very moment that
I walked into that room and he sat across from me,

he reached out and he said,
"Thank you for coming."

He was speaking
to me a great deal about Jessica.

He talks about
strangling her.

And he's giving me
a very graphic description

of what that sounds like
and what that looks like.

But during this,
they bring him in lunch.

And he stops,
and apologizes for eating in front of me.

Then, he picked
right back up,

talking about
the most horrific and gruesome things

that one person
can do to another human being.

No remorse, no guilt about
the suffering of others.

[Howard] I slid a picture
of Grace across.

And I flipped it over.
And I said, "Did you kill her?"

And he said,
"Nope. She's not mine."

Larry gave me back
my picture of Grace Doe.

And what he said
after that was, "I did not kill her.

But I did kill
the Springfield Three."

[male reporter 1] Calls like
this keep coming into the Springfield Police Department

from people
with information about Stacy McCall,

Suzanne Streeter
and Sherrill Levitt.

[Howard]
Suzie Streeter and Sherrill, mother and daughter.

Suzie was the daughter.
And then the friend was Stacy McCall.

They disappeared
one night coming home, early in the morning.

[male reporter 2] Police have
set up this 24-hour command post on East Delmar,

hoping someone comes
forward with information about the missing women.

There was a witness
that came forward in that particular case that said,

"We saw a brown and tan van."

The same weekend
that the Springfield Three disappeared,

there was
a Civil War reenactment.

[Howard] It was
the anniversary of the Battle of Wilson's Creek.

And Larry was in the area.

Detective Howard
asked Larry Hall

where the Springfield
Three were buried.

[Howard] And he says,
"They're in the Mark Twain Forest."

And he mentions
his brother Gary.

Larry stated more than
one time to me

that Gary was
the driving force behind killing these girls.

Gary would
tell him what to do and Larry would do it.

He wanted me to
see that his brother was equally responsible.

But I have no
evidence to say that Gary was involved.

But certainly,
Larry believes it.

[Miller] I think
what Larry Hall did, he did alone.

He enjoyed being
alone when he did 'em.

I was shocked by
the obvious pathology

that lead Larry
to do the awful things that he's done.

It really made me
think about how does it manifest

when you have
an identical twin?

Are the personalities
in any way connected or are they so divergent?

There have been
pairs of serial killers

that have worked
in tandem in the past. But they are incredibly rare.

Even though it's really
tempting to think that his twin brother Gary

could be involved
in some of these missing women,

there is absolutely
no evidence other than Larry Hall suggesting it.

Yeah, I could say
I suspected some things,

but I've never had
evidence of Gary Hall doing any wrongdoing.

[Howard]
Gary is very, very adamant that his brother is

completely and totally
100 percent responsible for all of these things.

[Jordan] Larry Hall
has confessed to dozens of murders.

He recants everything,
making him either

one of the most
prolific serial killers in history

who's gotten away
with it or

one of the most
effusive, false confessors in history.

I think he was
smarter than he was given credit for.

Could he have
done this on his own?

Would he have?
Did he have help?

[Howard]
It's crucial that you pick his mind

and get information
out of there.

Because families
are getting older,

nobody deserves to
live an entire life not knowing what happened

or to bring
their child home.

Thirty years is
a long time not to know.

Our children
believe it's Larry Hall. Hands down.

[Donna] Forensically,
there's nothing that links

Larry Hall to
Trisha's disappearance.

[Garry] Two confessions.
And then all the articles in his van.

-So you have
hopes on that. -[Donna] Yeah.

[Garry] But then it ends.
There's nothing more that they can give you.

Until we have something
concrete, you can't really hang your head on that.

Somebody knows something.

There may be
more people out there

who have something,
something little, you know, that just maybe

-will be that piece
that ties it together. -Right.

And we hope.

The theory of
Larry Dwayne Hall as a false confessor has faded away.

But the debate about
the full scope of his reign of terror rages on.

In 1994, his confessed
number of victims was 22.

Hall later claimed,
in an interview with the Associated Press,

that he'd picked up
39 women between 1980 and 1994.

Some believe
he may have committed more than 50 murders.

People close to the case
still have hope

Larry Hall will
one day bring police to Tricia Reitler's body,

and put an end
to her family's nightmare.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
Thank for watching.

Good night.

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