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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,934 --> 00:00:07,104 [crows cawing] 2 00:00:08,834 --> 00:00:11,634 [man] Larry was a very shy kid. 3 00:00:11,667 --> 00:00:14,867 Very eager to please. 4 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:18,470 Exceedingly respectful and soft-spoken. 5 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:20,700 And seemingly gentle. 6 00:00:20,734 --> 00:00:22,474 Oh, he wouldn't hurt a flea. 7 00:00:24,667 --> 00:00:26,867 But there was this... 8 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,100 duality to him. 9 00:00:29,133 --> 00:00:32,073 Something we would call "Jekyll and Hyde." 10 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:35,530 He really lived to kill. 11 00:00:35,567 --> 00:00:37,267 [muffled screaming] 12 00:00:39,233 --> 00:00:40,573 [tires screech] 13 00:00:44,166 --> 00:00:46,166 [theme music playing] 14 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:08,373 Welcome to Very Scary People. 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,930 I'm Donny Wahlberg. 16 00:01:09,967 --> 00:01:12,997 Like a wild animal hunting for easy prey, 17 00:01:13,033 --> 00:01:15,633 he stalked young girls and women he caught alone. 18 00:01:15,667 --> 00:01:18,667 Walking, running, bicycling. 19 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:21,000 There was no escape from this predator. 20 00:01:21,033 --> 00:01:22,803 Once in the grip of his horrifying urge 21 00:01:22,834 --> 00:01:24,974 to rape and kill he ended defenseless lives 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,800 that had hardly begun. 23 00:01:26,834 --> 00:01:28,234 It seemed like that he might never be caught. 24 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:31,500 Could the mystery man investigators finally took 25 00:01:31,533 --> 00:01:33,633 into custody be the killer? 26 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:36,827 Or was he nothing more than a troubled wannabe serial killer, 27 00:01:36,867 --> 00:01:38,227 making false confessions. 28 00:01:38,967 --> 00:01:41,197 This is part one of "The Twin." 29 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:02,867 [reporter] Tricia Reitler took a walk off campus 30 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:06,270 and never came back to Indiana Wesleyan University. 31 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:08,700 Some of her clothing was found with a small amount of blood. 32 00:02:08,734 --> 00:02:09,874 Investigators believe 33 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,930 Reitler was abducted. But by whom, where and why? 34 00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:14,767 Police have no hard evidence to say. 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,270 [Casey] On March 29th, 1993, Tricia Reitler, 36 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:22,200 a 19-year-old college freshman 37 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:24,433 at Indiana Wesleyan University 38 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:26,367 took a break from writing her term paper. 39 00:02:28,433 --> 00:02:30,403 [Joni] She decided to walk a few blocks down 40 00:02:30,433 --> 00:02:32,703 to a Marsh store to get 41 00:02:32,734 --> 00:02:34,274 a root beer and to get a magazine. 42 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,000 [Casey] But on the way home, 43 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:38,933 something happened. 44 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:41,796 [Joni] All of a sudden, she vanishes. 45 00:02:43,233 --> 00:02:46,103 And nobody knows where she is. 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 [telephone rings] 47 00:02:54,233 --> 00:02:57,033 The phone rang at about 12:30 48 00:02:57,066 --> 00:02:58,996 just after midnight. 49 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:01,273 And it was the Marion Police department. 50 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:03,630 And the first question 51 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:05,197 she asked was, "Do you know where Tricia is?" 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,430 At that moment, my heart sunk. 53 00:03:11,834 --> 00:03:14,604 [Donna] We knew that something was really wrong. 54 00:03:14,634 --> 00:03:16,104 It was like a punch in the gut. 55 00:03:16,867 --> 00:03:17,827 [Tim] It was horrible. 56 00:03:17,867 --> 00:03:20,327 Horrible. It's a parent's worst nightmare. 57 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:26,433 [Belinda] I was legitimately panicking. 58 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:28,197 We were roommates, Tricia and I, 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,800 our freshman year. 60 00:03:31,533 --> 00:03:34,933 That weekend before Tricia's disappearance. 61 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,470 I found out from my 62 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,000 friends that she was being stalked. 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,430 And I started asking her about it. 64 00:03:43,467 --> 00:03:45,397 She had said that, 65 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:46,773 on the day that she ran, 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,800 he would start following her 67 00:03:47,834 --> 00:03:50,274 at a certain, like, 68 00:03:50,934 --> 00:03:53,334 road or intersection. 69 00:03:53,967 --> 00:03:55,167 And then he would 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,000 follow her a little ways 71 00:03:57,033 --> 00:04:00,333 behind while she was running, 72 00:04:00,367 --> 00:04:02,027 and then he would turn off, 73 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,397 and go a separate way. 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,900 Who was this person? 75 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:09,100 Where was this van? 76 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,170 [Joni] A predatory stalker 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,230 is the rarest kind of stalker. 78 00:04:19,033 --> 00:04:20,503 It's also the most dangerous. 79 00:04:20,533 --> 00:04:23,473 Because they often target strangers. 80 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:25,870 They often don't give much warning. 81 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:29,073 This is somebody who is finding 82 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:31,800 a lot of pleasure 83 00:04:31,834 --> 00:04:35,674 out of the process, and a lot of interest 84 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:38,200 in picking out girls. 85 00:04:41,367 --> 00:04:43,527 We have a window to what he is thinking about 86 00:04:43,567 --> 00:04:44,397 by what he's journaled. 87 00:04:45,934 --> 00:04:47,034 [Hillel] "Take buck knife. 88 00:04:47,834 --> 00:04:48,704 Gloves. 89 00:04:48,734 --> 00:04:50,474 Mask. 90 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,070 Take a lot of clothes, 91 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:54,870 blankets to keep her out of sight. 92 00:04:57,033 --> 00:04:58,903 No body contact. 93 00:04:58,934 --> 00:05:00,774 Buy condoms. 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,970 No forensic residue. 95 00:05:04,967 --> 00:05:06,197 Check colleges, 96 00:05:06,233 --> 00:05:07,733 parks. 97 00:05:07,767 --> 00:05:09,467 Teen joggers and bikers. 98 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:10,770 Many alone. 99 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Get one. Find one. 100 00:05:12,433 --> 00:05:13,573 Find one now." 101 00:05:20,066 --> 00:05:23,096 When police retraced Tricia Reitler's steps 102 00:05:23,133 --> 00:05:24,773 it became pretty apparent 103 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,970 that she was the subject of a violent attack. 104 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:32,433 [Tim] I go out to check that area, 105 00:05:32,467 --> 00:05:34,127 and I see some things 106 00:05:34,166 --> 00:05:36,166 that appear to be a crime scene. 107 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:40,630 [Hillel] Her clothes were found under a tree 108 00:05:41,667 --> 00:05:42,997 with the blood on it. 109 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,930 And later, they also found 110 00:05:45,967 --> 00:05:49,067 an earring that had been torn out of her ear. 111 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:55,600 [Tim] The crime scene proves two things. 112 00:05:55,634 --> 00:05:58,734 That she had been abducted, and that 113 00:05:58,767 --> 00:06:00,297 a sexual assault occurred. 114 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:03,830 [Casey] The perpetrator, 115 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:05,467 he is someone 116 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:08,000 who gets their eye on the prize and decides, 117 00:06:08,033 --> 00:06:10,833 "I've been fantasizing about this for so very, very long. 118 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:13,127 Today is the day, this is the time, 119 00:06:13,166 --> 00:06:14,626 I'm about to make it happen." 120 00:06:28,066 --> 00:06:30,726 [reporter] Tricia Reitler, seen here on home video 121 00:06:30,767 --> 00:06:33,097 purchased a soft drink at a Marsh supermarket. 122 00:06:33,133 --> 00:06:35,733 And passively walking along this Marion street, 123 00:06:35,767 --> 00:06:37,297 towards her college dormitory, 124 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:38,933 was confronted and abducted. 125 00:06:42,266 --> 00:06:45,096 [Donna] Tricia went to Indiana Wesleyan University. 126 00:06:45,133 --> 00:06:48,133 She was funny. She was outgoing. 127 00:06:48,166 --> 00:06:49,296 She was athletic. 128 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:51,300 [Garry] Daddy's little girl. 129 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:53,733 We had a special relationship. 130 00:06:53,767 --> 00:06:55,727 Tricia wanted to be a psychologist. 131 00:06:55,767 --> 00:06:58,967 And basically, she wanted to put families back together again. 132 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:02,200 [Belinda] She was always smiling. 133 00:07:02,233 --> 00:07:05,073 That's the one thing that I seriously miss about her. 134 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:10,866 [copier whirring] 135 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,770 [reporter] And exhaustive investigations has produced few clues, 136 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 except the recovery of some blood-stained clothes. 137 00:07:17,066 --> 00:07:19,666 [Michael] They organized huge 138 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:22,200 sweeps of the area looking for 139 00:07:22,233 --> 00:07:23,873 any kind of clues. 140 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:25,600 The college is in a very 141 00:07:25,634 --> 00:07:27,004 rural area. 142 00:07:27,033 --> 00:07:28,373 [Garry] All you see is, 143 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,030 -cornfields... -[Donna] Yeah. 144 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:31,196 ...and soybean fields, 145 00:07:31,634 --> 00:07:32,674 and trees. 146 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:34,700 [Michael] There was just so many 147 00:07:34,734 --> 00:07:36,134 places where she could be. 148 00:07:37,467 --> 00:07:39,467 They were searching everywhere and, 149 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:40,330 they never found anything. 150 00:07:41,367 --> 00:07:42,927 [Donna] It was uh, I call it 151 00:07:42,967 --> 00:07:44,097 the zombie state. 152 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:47,373 You could barely function but you knew you had to. 153 00:07:51,533 --> 00:07:53,103 [Hillel] "Seen many nice girls, 154 00:07:53,133 --> 00:07:54,333 at Marsh's. 155 00:07:55,233 --> 00:07:57,873 Lots of walkers at 7:15. 156 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:02,200 Walking to apartments on Nebraska 157 00:08:02,867 --> 00:08:05,567 in 44/43. 158 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Must be housing 159 00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:08,703 for the university. 160 00:08:09,233 --> 00:08:10,773 Seen some prospects. 161 00:08:11,567 --> 00:08:12,567 Look at maps. 162 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Get the van ready." 163 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:19,870 [Joni] Tricia Reitler 164 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:21,970 was walking home alone. 165 00:08:22,533 --> 00:08:24,433 I think the tragedy is, 166 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:27,227 she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 167 00:08:28,533 --> 00:08:30,873 [Hillel] That place that he had pre-determined 168 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:34,100 would be the best place to cease someone. 169 00:08:34,133 --> 00:08:37,573 Fields where there was no one nearby, 170 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,900 where there was no lighting, and we can only speculate 171 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,030 at that point, he pulled up his van. 172 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,830 [John] Police had started with nothing. 173 00:08:50,867 --> 00:08:52,497 The have some physical evidence. 174 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:54,103 They don't have a body. 175 00:08:54,133 --> 00:08:56,573 So what they begin is with a wide net. 176 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,500 Who fits the bill for this? 177 00:08:58,533 --> 00:09:01,733 Who has a criminal past or a connection to the victim? 178 00:09:01,767 --> 00:09:05,627 [reporter] Police do have a suspect in Tricia Reitler's disappearance. 179 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:08,267 A man who has been questioned several times by police, 180 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:09,470 but never identified. 181 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:12,430 [Tim] Tony Searcy. 182 00:09:12,467 --> 00:09:14,797 He had been involved in some 183 00:09:14,834 --> 00:09:16,604 felony thefts. 184 00:09:16,634 --> 00:09:18,004 [Joey] And they found the connection 185 00:09:18,033 --> 00:09:20,003 between him and Tricia Reitler 186 00:09:20,033 --> 00:09:22,103 through a dining hall where she worked. 187 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:25,103 [Tim] Tony Searcy was dating 188 00:09:25,133 --> 00:09:27,503 a girl that worked in the cafeteria. 189 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:30,733 [Joey] The very night of Tricia Reitler's disappearance, 190 00:09:30,767 --> 00:09:33,167 Tony Searcy made a 9-1-1 call 191 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,470 in which he was reporting a rival thief. 192 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:38,430 Police believed that he was pointing 193 00:09:38,467 --> 00:09:39,797 the finger at someone else 194 00:09:39,834 --> 00:09:43,074 to avoid detection in the disappearance of Tricia Reitler. 195 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:44,700 We bring him in. 196 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,300 They thought he was trying to come up with an alibi, 197 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:51,573 uh, throw the police off their investigation 198 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,530 with this bogus claim. 199 00:09:54,033 --> 00:09:54,973 [Tim] He felt like, 200 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,730 he could do something like that, so, 201 00:09:57,767 --> 00:09:59,727 [Michael] They asked him to take a lie detector test. 202 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:00,827 He took it, and he failed. 203 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:03,897 [Tim] So that's when we called 204 00:10:03,934 --> 00:10:06,304 the FBI, and had a second polygraph. 205 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,500 Flunks that polygraph. 206 00:10:09,634 --> 00:10:11,374 He became a person of interest. 207 00:10:14,333 --> 00:10:16,303 And they decide to search Tom's car. 208 00:10:16,333 --> 00:10:18,103 Police had cadaver dogs 209 00:10:18,133 --> 00:10:20,233 sniff around his vehicle. 210 00:10:20,266 --> 00:10:22,266 [dogs sniffing] 211 00:10:23,934 --> 00:10:26,104 Lo and behold, the cadaver dogs hit... 212 00:10:27,834 --> 00:10:29,504 on Tony Searcy's trunk. 213 00:10:45,834 --> 00:10:48,674 [Hillel] "Replace rear carpet in van. 214 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:53,570 Cut out stained carpet. 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,530 Vacuum van thoroughly. 216 00:10:58,066 --> 00:10:59,766 Spray down chemicals. 217 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,570 Wiped with Armor All. 218 00:11:04,667 --> 00:11:07,767 Burn paint and tarps. 219 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,700 Buy new hacksaw blades. 220 00:11:10,734 --> 00:11:13,534 Clean all tools with denatured alcohol. 221 00:11:13,567 --> 00:11:15,097 Take tires off, 222 00:11:15,133 --> 00:11:17,803 and clean mud from under fenders. 223 00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:20,134 [Joni] His eliminating 224 00:11:20,166 --> 00:11:22,866 forensic evidence that might be there. 225 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:27,570 This is somebody who is looking for future victims. 226 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 And reminding himself of cleaning up old ones. 227 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:33,473 Clean up is about self-preservation. 228 00:11:34,834 --> 00:11:36,604 And it's so that the offender 229 00:11:36,634 --> 00:11:38,334 can continue on with his crimes. 230 00:11:43,734 --> 00:11:44,634 [Casey] Tony Searcy 231 00:11:44,667 --> 00:11:45,967 is on the record and saying, 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,430 "I've done a lot of bad stuff in my life 233 00:11:47,467 --> 00:11:49,267 but I didn't kill this woman." 234 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:51,400 As part of the investigation, 235 00:11:51,433 --> 00:11:53,803 of Tony Searcy for the disappearance 236 00:11:53,834 --> 00:11:55,734 of Tricia Reitler, 237 00:11:55,767 --> 00:11:58,297 police had cadaver dogs sniff around 238 00:11:58,333 --> 00:11:59,333 his vehicle. 239 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,870 Lo and behold, the cadaver dogs hit 240 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:05,570 on Tony Searcy's trunk. 241 00:12:07,066 --> 00:12:08,566 [Donna] Your emotions are so, 242 00:12:09,734 --> 00:12:13,104 twisted. You feel guilty for being excited 243 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:16,703 that we may have found her scent, you know. 244 00:12:17,834 --> 00:12:19,504 [Casey] The problem is that, in criminology, 245 00:12:19,533 --> 00:12:22,003 Tony Searcy has no history of violence. 246 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:24,873 And even though it's possible that he's good for it, 247 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:26,030 the truth is that, 248 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:29,266 he doesn't have that long record of fantasy 249 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:32,130 that would actually graduate to an abduction, 250 00:12:32,166 --> 00:12:34,566 a stalking, a kill, a rape. 251 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:36,800 He's just a copper thief. 252 00:12:36,834 --> 00:12:39,274 [Joey] Cadaver dogs are trained 253 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,600 to alert to enzymes in humans 254 00:12:41,634 --> 00:12:43,374 that mimic the smell of copper. 255 00:12:43,967 --> 00:12:45,197 And the problem was, 256 00:12:45,233 --> 00:12:47,173 that if Tony Searcy is a copper thief, 257 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,170 he certainly would have copper 258 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,130 in the back of his trunk 259 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:54,366 that would have these cadaver dogs alerting to it. 260 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,670 [Hillel] It's why the police 261 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,500 became so suspicious of him. 262 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,770 [Tim] Oh, I definitely 263 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,370 thought he was the prime suspect. 264 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,900 [chains jangling] 265 00:13:04,533 --> 00:13:07,173 Tony was arrested about four weeks after 266 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,730 Tricia went missing. 267 00:13:08,767 --> 00:13:10,567 But he was only charged with copper theft. 268 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:11,900 Because that's all they could prove. 269 00:13:12,934 --> 00:13:14,604 [Tim] Tony Searcy was never charged 270 00:13:14,634 --> 00:13:16,834 with any crime related to 271 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:18,767 the abduction of Tricia Reitler. 272 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:21,233 Just to bring her home. 273 00:13:22,567 --> 00:13:24,427 [voice breaking] That's all we want. 274 00:13:24,467 --> 00:13:26,967 [Donna] Somebody has that one bit of information that we need. 275 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,000 And put an end to the nightmare that we're living. 276 00:13:31,033 --> 00:13:32,033 [cannon roars] 277 00:13:32,066 --> 00:13:33,096 [gun firing] 278 00:13:35,033 --> 00:13:37,173 [Michael] The first time I met Larry Hall 279 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,730 was a Civil War reenactment 280 00:13:39,266 --> 00:13:41,396 in Rochester, Indiana. 281 00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:43,573 Then Gary, a few months later. 282 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,900 [Hillel] Larry and Gary were identical twins. 283 00:13:48,934 --> 00:13:52,234 They very much got into Civil War reenactment. 284 00:13:55,467 --> 00:13:56,527 [cannon roars] 285 00:13:56,567 --> 00:13:57,867 [Hillel] They were so authentic, 286 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:04,400 that they were recruited to attend, uh, and be extras 287 00:14:04,433 --> 00:14:07,073 in the filming of two Civil War movies. 288 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:09,300 One was Glory, 289 00:14:09,333 --> 00:14:11,233 and the other was Gettysburg. 290 00:14:11,266 --> 00:14:12,726 Now, ultimately, 291 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:14,597 the only one of the twins you can see 292 00:14:14,634 --> 00:14:18,674 is just a glimpse of Gary in Gettysburg. 293 00:14:19,667 --> 00:14:21,667 [upbeat music playing] 294 00:14:23,867 --> 00:14:26,997 I noticed, Larry was more of a follower in a way. 295 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:31,773 He wasn't fastest in speaking, 296 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,630 had to stop and think for a few moments. 297 00:14:34,634 --> 00:14:38,104 He was very easy to approach to talk to, 298 00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:40,803 but he would never open up the conversation. 299 00:14:42,467 --> 00:14:43,327 I felt that 300 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:48,003 Gary was more dominating over Larry. 301 00:14:50,133 --> 00:14:54,003 With a lot of the reenactments and with the movies, 302 00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:56,673 it often meant a road trip. 303 00:14:56,700 --> 00:15:00,730 They're travelling in places all around the country. 304 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:03,967 [Michael] There was that brother camaraderie 305 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,530 in their travel to reenactments. 306 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,670 There was one instance, 307 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:13,800 in the van, that really 308 00:15:13,834 --> 00:15:14,934 sticks in my mind. 309 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,167 Larry and Gary were sitting up front. 310 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,300 I was in the back seat and, 311 00:15:21,333 --> 00:15:23,733 Gary reaches down underneath him, 312 00:15:23,767 --> 00:15:26,727 and pulled out a pair of woman's underpants. 313 00:15:28,033 --> 00:15:31,033 He looked at his brother Larry, 314 00:15:31,066 --> 00:15:32,696 and said, "What's this doing here?" 315 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:35,073 I just thought at that time, 316 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:37,030 it was just joke on each other. 317 00:15:38,333 --> 00:15:42,873 Larry shrugged off, and kind of played it back, about, 318 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,600 "You're married. You have a wife. You planted it there." 319 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,870 Looking back, 320 00:15:51,166 --> 00:15:54,066 it is very disturbing to think about. 321 00:15:55,533 --> 00:15:56,773 It all adds up. 322 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:07,534 [Hillel] Larry and Gary Hall. 323 00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:09,927 Their upbringing was kind of strange, 324 00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:13,127 in that their father was actually the grave digger 325 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:15,730 at this historic 326 00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:18,767 tiny, little cemetery on a hill. 327 00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:22,567 And part of the benefits of that job, 328 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,700 is that they lived in this 329 00:16:23,734 --> 00:16:25,904 big clapboard house 330 00:16:25,934 --> 00:16:28,774 overlooking the cemetery on one side. 331 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,530 [Ron] I'm sure their peers would have thought it was creepy, 332 00:16:32,567 --> 00:16:35,497 I do believe that one time I heard the house, 333 00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:38,726 inside was rather messy. 334 00:16:38,767 --> 00:16:40,227 [Hillel] One of their friends said it was like, 335 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,996 "Living inside of a rummage sale." 336 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:44,430 [Casey] The parents were hoarders. 337 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:48,097 There was stuff piled to the ceiling in every room. 338 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:51,903 The fact that they lived in a hellhole of a house, 339 00:16:51,934 --> 00:16:53,634 probably, had a huge impact 340 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:55,967 on their development growing up, 341 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,900 and the way they perceive the outside world. 342 00:16:59,166 --> 00:17:01,026 [Hillel] Their father Robert, 343 00:17:01,066 --> 00:17:04,796 always had kind of the smell of beer on his breath. 344 00:17:04,834 --> 00:17:07,304 The boys were actually terrified of him. 345 00:17:07,333 --> 00:17:10,603 The relationship that Larry had 346 00:17:10,634 --> 00:17:15,434 with his mother was, some would say, smothering. 347 00:17:15,467 --> 00:17:20,367 The mother's smothering affection for the son 348 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,400 gets in the way of him having a normal relationship 349 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,070 with a female. 350 00:17:25,967 --> 00:17:27,527 And that was definitely, 351 00:17:27,567 --> 00:17:30,067 a part of Larry's problem. 352 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,700 He has a very unusual relationship 353 00:17:35,734 --> 00:17:38,604 toward my mother. And to this day, 354 00:17:38,634 --> 00:17:40,374 he'll talk to Mom almost 355 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,830 as if she's his girlfriend 356 00:17:42,867 --> 00:17:44,567 rather than his mother. 357 00:17:45,667 --> 00:17:47,827 It's spooky. It's creepy. 358 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,700 [Joey] Eight months after Tricia's disappearance, 359 00:17:54,734 --> 00:17:57,774 a farmer in Indiana would make a grisly discovery. 360 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,530 [crows cawing] 361 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,430 [machinery whirring] 362 00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:04,867 [Michael] In November 8th, 1993, 363 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:07,670 a farmer in Perrysville, Indiana 364 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:10,000 was working this huge cornfield 365 00:18:10,033 --> 00:18:12,233 with his combine, when he spotted 366 00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:13,396 something unusual. 367 00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:16,567 As he was cutting 368 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,270 through one of the rows of corn, 369 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:22,770 he looked down from his tractor, 370 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,730 and saw a dark object. 371 00:18:27,634 --> 00:18:29,734 He got down to see what it was. 372 00:18:29,767 --> 00:18:31,967 Maybe at first thought, it was an animal. 373 00:18:32,734 --> 00:18:33,974 Then to his horror, 374 00:18:34,867 --> 00:18:37,597 saw it was in fact a body. 375 00:18:38,533 --> 00:18:39,973 [John] So he calls police. 376 00:18:41,467 --> 00:18:43,097 The first thig police believe is, 377 00:18:43,734 --> 00:18:45,174 this could be Reitler. 378 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,370 The autopsy revealed that, uh, she had 379 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,370 a broken jaw. 380 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,170 [Casey] Forensic investigators 381 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,930 concluded that she most likely died of strangulation. 382 00:18:55,967 --> 00:18:58,267 [Hillel] Given the amount of decomposition, 383 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:00,770 the challenge was 384 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,300 identifying the body. 385 00:19:18,533 --> 00:19:21,103 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 386 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:23,373 After a college co-ed is snatched off campus 387 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,700 in a bloody ambush, 388 00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:26,934 and the body of a girl is found callously dumped 389 00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:28,397 in a cornfield, 390 00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:32,003 fear is spreading that there is a serial killer on the loose. 391 00:19:32,033 --> 00:19:34,173 Detectives are closing in on a person of interest, 392 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,770 who raised suspicions. 393 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,370 But there are also serious doubts he actually did it. 394 00:19:39,066 --> 00:19:40,766 Did police get the right guy? 395 00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:46,704 [man] "I feel a calling from deep inside. 396 00:19:46,734 --> 00:19:48,534 Sometimes so strong that it's hard to hide. 397 00:19:51,767 --> 00:19:52,997 Take buck knife. 398 00:19:53,033 --> 00:19:54,903 Gloves, mask, 399 00:19:54,934 --> 00:19:55,934 two new plates. 400 00:19:56,734 --> 00:19:58,474 Buy two more leather belts. 401 00:19:59,734 --> 00:20:01,434 Seeing several singles walking. 402 00:20:02,066 --> 00:20:04,696 Teenage, close to country. 403 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,730 Find them now." 404 00:20:18,133 --> 00:20:19,203 [Loren] In the early '90s, 405 00:20:19,233 --> 00:20:22,333 we actually lived outside of Georgetown, Illinois. 406 00:20:22,367 --> 00:20:24,297 Probably about eight miles or so, out in the country. 407 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,430 Most people knew each other and were friendly. 408 00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:29,973 People didn't even lock their doors. 409 00:20:32,967 --> 00:20:37,097 [mother] Jessie, she was really a good kid. Very shy most of the time. 410 00:20:37,133 --> 00:20:39,533 We had a lot of pictures of the back of her head 411 00:20:39,567 --> 00:20:42,367 because she just didn't want her picture taken that often. 412 00:20:44,367 --> 00:20:46,227 She wanted to be a pilot. 413 00:20:46,266 --> 00:20:48,526 She wanted to fly jets. 414 00:20:48,567 --> 00:20:50,827 Which I thought was so unusual. 415 00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:53,697 She was always smiling or laughing. 416 00:20:53,734 --> 00:20:55,304 That's the stuff you love. 417 00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:02,197 September 20, 1993 418 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:03,930 was a Monday. 419 00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:08,803 [Casey] 15 year-old Jessica Roach was out riding her 420 00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:12,174 prized mountain bike along a rural road. 421 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:18,430 [John] And her sister decides she's going to go into town and drives by. 422 00:21:18,467 --> 00:21:21,167 Sees her sister walking the bike on the road. 423 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,830 [Myndi] It's a normal sunny day. She pulled off. 424 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:29,267 Stood there, watched me drive by. Waved real smiley and waved. 425 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:32,600 And I looked in the rearview mirror and she was walking her bicycle. 426 00:21:32,634 --> 00:21:36,634 And then I stopped at the sign and turned the corner. 427 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,800 That was the last time I saw Jessica. 428 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,430 When I came home, her bicycle was lying in the middle of the road. 429 00:21:48,367 --> 00:21:51,427 Jessica is missing. No one can find her. 430 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:53,527 [Loren] She was gone. 431 00:21:54,767 --> 00:21:57,127 My husband called and he says, 432 00:21:57,166 --> 00:21:59,266 one of our daughters is missing. 433 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:03,070 I remember just getting real quiet. 434 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:06,570 And feeling just kinda cold. 435 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,870 I immediately knew something serious had happened. 436 00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:13,703 -Here? -Yeah. 437 00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:17,234 There's something not right here. 438 00:22:17,266 --> 00:22:19,196 We don't have just a missing person. 439 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:20,403 There was foul play. 440 00:22:24,867 --> 00:22:26,797 The search went on for three days. 441 00:22:26,834 --> 00:22:29,874 [Terry] With each day that passed, there was less and less hope. 442 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,000 [sobbing] 443 00:22:31,033 --> 00:22:33,903 [Loren] I can tell you that that third day, 444 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:36,330 I knew she wasn't coming home. 445 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,370 To me, she's a sweetheart. 446 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:41,603 But what can I say? 447 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,370 I'm her grandpa. 448 00:22:46,567 --> 00:22:51,527 [Gary] We knew of people in the area that we thought would be capable of 449 00:22:51,567 --> 00:22:53,567 sexual assaults and things like that. 450 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,870 But as far as an actual kidnapping, 451 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,000 we had not experienced that in this county to my knowledge. 452 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:12,300 [Loren] To me, it was almost like a random thing. 453 00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:14,833 This man was in town 454 00:23:15,934 --> 00:23:18,104 and probably scoping out the school. 455 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:21,373 Jessie was a type that he liked. 456 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,900 And I feel like he followed her home from school. 457 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,870 We basically had no leads 458 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:34,970 and that continued on for several weeks. 459 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000 [reporter] This week, a body was found in a farmer's cornfield. 460 00:23:41,467 --> 00:23:45,467 Two months later, across the state lines in Indiana, 461 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,530 a local farmer is simply ploughing his cornfields 462 00:23:48,567 --> 00:23:52,697 when he sees from the top of his tractor, something dark. 463 00:23:52,734 --> 00:23:56,274 He is absolutely horrified to discover a dead body. 464 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:04,867 [reporter] Police in Indiana say the body found may be that of Tricia Riddler of Ohio 465 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:08,430 who went to Indiana Wesleyan University in Marion. 466 00:24:08,467 --> 00:24:11,667 Everyone including the family thought, okay, this could be her because 467 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:16,030 it was the right area. It was a young woman. 468 00:24:16,066 --> 00:24:19,826 [reporter 2] On the day we visited, the got one of many calls from Marion Police, 469 00:24:19,867 --> 00:24:23,427 alerting them another body has been found in rural Indiana. 470 00:24:23,467 --> 00:24:24,697 It's not Tricia. 471 00:24:24,734 --> 00:24:27,674 But it is another emotional reminder. 472 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:31,800 That feeling of that loss and not being able to... 473 00:24:33,066 --> 00:24:34,166 bring her home. 474 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:41,030 [Gary] They positively ID'd the fingerprints 475 00:24:41,066 --> 00:24:44,296 as being those of Jessica Roach. 476 00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:48,203 [Myndi] As much as we didn't want it to be her, at the same time, I did. 477 00:24:48,233 --> 00:24:52,033 So we could say our goodbyes and that was closure 478 00:24:52,066 --> 00:24:56,196 for me, knowing that we found her and she's not suffering. 479 00:24:57,367 --> 00:24:59,327 We at least knew where she was now. 480 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:04,597 [Gary] Cause of death was the strangulation. 481 00:25:04,634 --> 00:25:09,034 The body had nothing that would help us identify an individual 482 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,770 that had been involved. 483 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,400 It could be a drifter from a million miles away, 484 00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:17,673 who covers a lot of miles doing things like this. 485 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,900 That offender is a real challenge. 486 00:25:20,934 --> 00:25:25,174 [Hillel] Clearly with Jessica Roach, it was very impulsive. 487 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,270 He saw this girl in what seemed like the middle of nowhere. 488 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:31,830 She looked extremely vulnerable. 489 00:25:31,867 --> 00:25:34,997 He decided to take advantage of that. 490 00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:39,503 [Gary] The fact that their girl was basically taken off of her bike. 491 00:25:39,533 --> 00:25:42,573 The body was left in a cornfield. 492 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,830 It's just such a desolate area. 493 00:25:44,867 --> 00:25:47,267 That had me completely stumped. 494 00:25:51,367 --> 00:25:54,427 And suddenly, there's a potential clue. 495 00:25:54,467 --> 00:25:58,497 There's a witness who sees a distinctive-looking stranger 496 00:25:58,533 --> 00:26:00,973 walking out of a cornfield. 497 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,330 Right around the time when Jessica Roach went off the radar screens. 498 00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:08,597 What I recall seeing was a man coming out of the cornfield. 499 00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:11,426 He had a stocky build, 500 00:26:11,467 --> 00:26:15,067 a rounded face, an obvious chin. 501 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:20,800 This would've been the same timeframe when we believe the body was put in the cornfield. 502 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:22,173 Late at night. 503 00:26:43,967 --> 00:26:47,927 [Kaylen] 13 year-olds should not have to worry about being kidnapped. 504 00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,433 Our doors were never locked. 505 00:26:50,467 --> 00:26:54,667 You know, it just changes life as we knew it. 506 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:55,770 We were terrified. 507 00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,567 [John] In May of 1994, a spring day, 508 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,000 two teenage girls riding their bike 509 00:27:04,767 --> 00:27:06,127 notice a van. 510 00:27:08,533 --> 00:27:12,933 [Kaylen] We were riding our bikes, and... 511 00:27:12,967 --> 00:27:19,167 I just hear this loud van go by and he slowed down and, like, stared at us. 512 00:27:22,166 --> 00:27:24,266 I was like, I think that he's... he's... 513 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,130 following, like, he's looking at us, watching us. 514 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:29,696 And then he came at us in the opposite direction and he did it again. 515 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,470 Let's go. We gotta get outta here. 516 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,600 -We took off as fast as our legs would move. -We bolted. 517 00:27:37,166 --> 00:27:39,826 He took off following right behind us. 518 00:27:39,867 --> 00:27:43,097 [Kaylen] We could hear the gravel being thrown. He was right there. 519 00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:45,773 I was scared that he was gonna hit or try to knock her over. 520 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,630 All I could see were his headlights 'cause he was right there behind us. 521 00:27:50,667 --> 00:27:55,127 We cut down an alley where his van was not going to be able to fit through. 522 00:27:55,166 --> 00:27:59,496 And we just took off riding as fast as we could to get back to her house. 523 00:28:01,266 --> 00:28:03,696 He had dark hair, and... 524 00:28:03,734 --> 00:28:06,604 I guess, a bushy facial hair or beard. 525 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,500 It's the most terrifying thing that's ever happened to me in my life. 526 00:28:17,767 --> 00:28:20,227 [Ron] Larry was kind of a loner. 527 00:28:20,266 --> 00:28:21,526 Was very quiet. 528 00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:23,226 Stayed to himself. 529 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:26,870 I always saw them together 530 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,500 when they were younger. 531 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,530 Gary was more outgoing than his twin brother 532 00:28:34,567 --> 00:28:37,727 and Larry seemed to follow his lead more. 533 00:28:37,767 --> 00:28:41,567 I was the more dominant, outgoing twin. 534 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,000 And I think he was jealous of that. 535 00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:49,496 [Hillel] Larry and Gary, as they grew up, 536 00:28:49,533 --> 00:28:52,773 they did show a lack of respect for authority. 537 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,670 It turned into vandalism. 538 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,870 They were grilled by the police, 539 00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:03,600 and the police were kind of amazed at how hardened they were 540 00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,134 in answering interrogations. 541 00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:08,366 Not saying who did it. 542 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:15,300 Larry did help set fire to several buildings in town. 543 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:17,073 In fact, he was even arrested. 544 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,030 Larry and Gary were inseparable. They were very close. 545 00:29:32,066 --> 00:29:35,896 They're brothers. They're best friends. They're constant companions. 546 00:29:35,934 --> 00:29:38,874 In 1984, Robert was fired. 547 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,130 [Ron] Their father lost his job in the cemetery. 548 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,130 He was fired not only for drinking, 549 00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:52,226 but he had on occasion, buried people in the wrong place in the cemetery. 550 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:57,596 [Hillel] Once he was let go, the family left his big giant house, 551 00:29:57,634 --> 00:30:02,234 and ended up in a very tiny one-bedroom house. 552 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,630 Gary went to live with his girlfriend. 553 00:30:06,667 --> 00:30:11,727 And this was an extremely traumatic event for Larry. 554 00:30:11,767 --> 00:30:14,467 Because Larry was a very shy kid. 555 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:18,970 And his best friend, his partner in crime, so to speak, 556 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,930 was his twin brother Gary. 557 00:30:22,667 --> 00:30:26,867 And suddenly there was just this huge void in his life. 558 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:30,200 [Ron] Larry was janitor at the bank. 559 00:30:30,233 --> 00:30:34,833 He cleaned foreclosed or houses for sale. 560 00:30:36,967 --> 00:30:41,027 This was a very lonely individual 561 00:30:41,066 --> 00:30:46,426 who got deeply into the hobbies he pursued. 562 00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:49,767 If Gary was interested in something, then Larry had to be. 563 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,470 They became interested in civil war reenactments. 564 00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:01,530 This was the perfect excuse to grow these bug bushy mutton chop sideburns 565 00:31:01,567 --> 00:31:02,797 of which he was very proud. 566 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:10,403 In 1987,Gary gets married. 567 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,370 [Michael] He had a child, and he had a job. 568 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:21,530 And that kinda puts hard on doing civil reenactments because it's a weekend thing. 569 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,370 Larry, he was not married. 570 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,970 He lived at home with his parents. 571 00:31:28,567 --> 00:31:31,667 So therefore, Larry had more freedom 572 00:31:32,233 --> 00:31:35,373 to do civil war enacting. 573 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,200 [Hillel] He went as far away as Wyoming, and Colorado and California. 574 00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:45,333 And Missouri, in addition to Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. 575 00:31:45,367 --> 00:31:49,567 There was a time when Larry went to reenactments by himself. 576 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,930 When we left reenactments, 577 00:31:53,967 --> 00:31:55,667 everybody went their own way. 578 00:31:59,567 --> 00:32:05,767 [John] At this point, you have two homicides across borders of two states, 579 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,270 in a fairly small area, that are apparently connected. 580 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:15,730 And not any leads that are gonna take them anywhere. 581 00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:20,367 And then there's a car stop and that changes everything. 582 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,230 Almost exactly one year since the day that Tricia Reitler disappeared, 583 00:32:25,266 --> 00:32:29,766 two more teenage girls report being stalked by a man in a van. 584 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:36,430 These girls go and notify their father. 585 00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:38,967 They've got his license plate number. 586 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,670 [Michael] When police pull the van over, 587 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,900 and the police officer saw a bunch of objects that were pretty chilling. 588 00:32:48,033 --> 00:32:50,733 [Casey] A hunting knife, a coil of rope, 589 00:32:50,767 --> 00:32:53,597 some lighter fluid and a wad of cotton. 590 00:32:53,634 --> 00:32:56,574 And most chilling of all, 591 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,270 the missing poster for Tricia Reitler. 592 00:33:02,333 --> 00:33:07,473 [Hillel] He sees newspaper clippings about Tricia Reitler's abduction, 593 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,270 letterhead for Indiana Wesleyan University, 594 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,000 but with her name all over it. 595 00:33:15,333 --> 00:33:19,803 So, I guess, city people thought "We got the guy." 596 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:22,173 [John] Police talk to the driver. 597 00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:25,074 He's a guy named Larry Hall. 598 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,400 When he's questioned by detectives... 599 00:33:27,433 --> 00:33:32,433 [Ron] Larry engages with them about "I dreamt this." 600 00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:35,597 I may have done it. I may not have done it. 601 00:33:35,634 --> 00:33:40,334 Larry said he would show them where she was buried. 602 00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:44,634 But then just kinda had them driving in circles. 603 00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:49,733 Which really upset the officers. 604 00:33:49,767 --> 00:33:53,097 [John] And at this point, detectives are starting to have their doubts. 605 00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:55,573 This guy isn't even sure he's the guy who did it. 606 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,970 They reach out to Larry Hall's hometown. 607 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,070 And there's a detective who's known him for 20 years. 608 00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:06,470 "Who? Larry Hall? He's just an odd duck. He's totally harmless. 609 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,970 That's not gonna be your guy." 610 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,370 [Hillel] This made them feel he was just a wannabe wasting their time. 611 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,830 And they let Larry go. 612 00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:20,030 [Gary] False confessions. I think it's common. 613 00:34:20,066 --> 00:34:22,926 I think most police officers have dealt with that. 614 00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:27,070 [Michael] Almost every time you get a big murder case, 615 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:31,200 people come forward to confess even though they've had nothing to do with it. 616 00:34:31,233 --> 00:34:34,303 They're enthralled by the publicity. 617 00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:36,973 And they want something in their life so bad that they 618 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,300 convince themselves that they've done it. 619 00:34:39,333 --> 00:34:42,603 And it's really kinda sad, but there are people out there who do that. 620 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,130 [John] Larry Hall is one of two twins. 621 00:34:52,166 --> 00:34:54,866 He and his brother. Larry and Gary. 622 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,870 They're born in 1962. 623 00:34:59,934 --> 00:35:02,034 [Larry] Larry was born blue. 624 00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:06,066 Being born blue is a clear indication that you're not getting enough oxygen. 625 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,730 [Hillel] His mother had some problems in birth. 626 00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:15,397 What we now call twin to twin transfusion syndrome. 627 00:35:15,433 --> 00:35:20,633 TTTS is a fascinating complication of a twin pregnancy. 628 00:35:20,667 --> 00:35:23,567 You have two babies sharing a single placenta. 629 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,300 What ends up happening is that one twin sends blood to the other. 630 00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:31,403 But the recipient can't return it. 631 00:35:31,433 --> 00:35:36,873 Larry is continuously giving away these precious resources and the oxygen to Gary. 632 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,770 But Gary is hoarding them and unable to give them back to Larry. 633 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,800 It's almost like a parasitic situation. 634 00:35:43,834 --> 00:35:51,534 [Larry] Larry comes out at delivery really small, thin, lean, blue. 635 00:35:51,567 --> 00:35:54,267 Totally deprived of, you know, the normal resources 636 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,200 that he would need to develop normally. 637 00:35:57,233 --> 00:36:02,173 Basically brain damage that can follow that child throughout his life. 638 00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:05,574 [Ron] Gary was always sharper. 639 00:36:06,233 --> 00:36:07,973 I'll put it that way. 640 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,700 [Larry] There's an entire class of disorders related to 641 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:15,534 personality, behavior, attention, 642 00:36:15,567 --> 00:36:19,327 hyperactivity, social and awkward social behavior. 643 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,370 And this is how Larry Dwayne Hall was born into this world. 644 00:36:27,133 --> 00:36:32,103 [Gary] I laid the picture down on the table in front of us 645 00:36:32,133 --> 00:36:35,473 and I said, how about this girl? Do you remember ever talking to her? 646 00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:37,167 He flinched. 647 00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:57,096 [Casey] In November of 1994, the lead detective, Gary Miller, 648 00:36:57,133 --> 00:37:02,773 is still trying hard to figure out who killed Jessica Roach. 649 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,100 A year after Jessica's body had been found, 650 00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:12,003 there was a complaint in the two of Georgetown. 651 00:37:12,033 --> 00:37:16,633 There's a new report of a guy in a van, stalking girls. 652 00:37:16,667 --> 00:37:20,427 [Gary] The license plate came back to Larry Hall. 653 00:37:20,467 --> 00:37:22,967 So I just picked up the phone. 654 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,330 Called the Wolbach police department. 655 00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:28,627 He said, "Well, one thing with Larry is, 656 00:37:28,667 --> 00:37:33,167 if you've had a civil war reenactment, he would be there." 657 00:37:35,367 --> 00:37:39,397 I started looking. And in the rural area outside of Georgetown, 658 00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:44,233 they had had a revolutionary war reenactment 659 00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:47,196 on Sunday before the Monday that Jessica was abducted. 660 00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:52,703 I certainly thought it should be followed up. 661 00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:58,933 So he goes to Indiana to interview Larry Hall. 662 00:37:58,967 --> 00:38:03,197 [Gary] I had a picture, it was a school picture of Jessica Roach. 663 00:38:03,233 --> 00:38:08,073 And I laid the picture down on the table in front of us. 664 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:11,500 And I said, "Do you ever remember talking to her?" 665 00:38:11,533 --> 00:38:15,403 And Larry immediately flinched to the right. Turned his head. 666 00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:20,397 A lot of detective work is intuitive. 667 00:38:20,433 --> 00:38:24,473 In this particular case, Larry Hall's reaction wasn't even subtle. 668 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,830 He immediately showed recognition of the girl in that picture. 669 00:38:28,867 --> 00:38:30,767 The murder victim, Jessica Roach. 670 00:38:34,867 --> 00:38:37,327 On November 15th, 1994, 671 00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:42,227 Miller returns with FBI polygrapher Michael Randolph. 672 00:38:42,266 --> 00:38:43,996 [Gary] He didn't wanna take the polygraph. 673 00:38:44,033 --> 00:38:48,533 I stepped out and Mike began talking to him. 674 00:38:48,567 --> 00:38:53,067 [Casey] Randolph gains the trust of Larry Hall and engages him in conversation. 675 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:57,230 Larry Hall tells Michael Randolph, "I'm ready. I'm ready to confess." 676 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,370 [Hillel] Here is the statement that agent Randolph took down. 677 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,130 It starts, "I recall I was in Illinois for the revolutionary war reenactment. 678 00:39:12,166 --> 00:39:16,626 I was on the road and there was a girl walking a bike. 679 00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:19,403 I stopped and talked to her. 680 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:26,770 I had to grab her, because she wouldn't have gotten in by herself. 681 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,730 Since I usually kept starting fluid in rags, 682 00:39:31,767 --> 00:39:34,297 I might have used these on her. 683 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,770 I tied her up. But I can't remember with what. 684 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,970 I remember taking her pants off. 685 00:39:41,734 --> 00:39:43,534 I took my pants off. 686 00:39:43,567 --> 00:39:45,597 And had sex with her." 687 00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:55,773 [Gary] He said that he took her to an extremely wooded area by a river. 688 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,300 [Hillel] "I laid her up against a tree. 689 00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:02,233 And put a belt around her neck. 690 00:40:02,266 --> 00:40:03,666 Then she stopped breathing. 691 00:40:04,667 --> 00:40:09,097 I just do things. I am not in control. 692 00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:12,933 This was one of those times when I was not in control. 693 00:40:12,967 --> 00:40:14,467 I have nightmares 694 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,300 where I remember these murders." 695 00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:20,303 [Casey] It was almost as if once the floodgates opened, 696 00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:23,033 he was ready to tell them everything he knew. 697 00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:26,526 He confessed to killing a bunch of girls 698 00:40:26,567 --> 00:40:28,727 in the Midwest, from several states. 699 00:40:32,934 --> 00:40:36,974 And then recanted on all those confessions. 700 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,770 And then Larry takes it back. "I didn't kill them." 701 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,770 [Hillel] There was no forensic evidence... 702 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,730 against Larry. 703 00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:46,697 How is this guy able to commit all these murders and not 704 00:40:46,734 --> 00:40:50,304 leave one piece of physical evidence? 705 00:40:50,333 --> 00:40:54,403 Why would you confess to multiple murders if you didn't do them? 706 00:40:54,433 --> 00:40:56,233 [Casey] Was it a false confession? 707 00:40:56,266 --> 00:41:01,126 [reporter] He says he agreed with anything police said so they would let him go home. 708 00:41:01,166 --> 00:41:06,126 Or is he the greatest serial killer to never be convicted of any murder? 709 00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:09,166 The FBI is currently investigating Hall's possible 710 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,100 involvement in other abductions. 711 00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:12,703 Hall could be a serial killer. 712 00:41:13,734 --> 00:41:17,004 I'm convinced. There is no question in my mind. 713 00:41:17,967 --> 00:41:20,297 He did exactly what he told me he did. 714 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,770 I'm not a killer. You're just using me to solve all those crimes. 715 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,730 I'm not a killer, okay? 716 00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:34,034 Larry Dwayne Hall was either responsible for the kidnapping, sexual assault 717 00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:37,426 and strangulation deaths of one victim after another, 718 00:41:37,467 --> 00:41:41,467 or a poor soul so desperate for attention, he was willing to confess to murders 719 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,200 he did not commit. 720 00:41:43,233 --> 00:41:47,003 Final ruling comes in front of a judge and jury during a rollercoaster ride through 721 00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:48,473 the court system. 722 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,870 The DA prosecuting the case steps up his investigation 723 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:56,470 with a daring new plan to get his man in part two of "The Twin." 724 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:59,670 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thanks for watching. Good night. 725 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:04,270 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 56620

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