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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,379 --> 00:00:10,689 -[Robinson on phone] Hello? -[Carolyn on phone] Who is this? 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,860 [Robinson] This is John. 3 00:00:14,103 --> 00:00:15,863 [Carolyn] Well, son, have you heard from Susie? 4 00:00:16,448 --> 00:00:17,278 [Robinson] Susie? 5 00:00:20,827 --> 00:00:22,787 Uh... Golly. 6 00:00:23,206 --> 00:00:23,996 No, not for... 7 00:00:25,103 --> 00:00:25,933 Well... 8 00:00:27,206 --> 00:00:28,616 I guess since the first of the month. 9 00:00:30,896 --> 00:00:32,856 [Carolyn] I'm really getting very nervous about this. 10 00:00:32,896 --> 00:00:36,896 I don't know if I should maybe call the police or something. 11 00:00:36,931 --> 00:00:37,761 [Robinson] Why? 12 00:00:38,827 --> 00:00:39,997 Hon, she's a big girl. 13 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:44,314 [theme music playing] 14 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:06,410 Welcome to Very Scary People. 15 00:01:06,448 --> 00:01:08,068 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 16 00:01:08,103 --> 00:01:12,003 When Paula Godfrey answered a "Help Wanted" ad for a personal assistant, 17 00:01:12,034 --> 00:01:14,174 it seemed like a great opportunity. 18 00:01:14,206 --> 00:01:17,206 Her job would include benefits plus training and travel. 19 00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:18,831 It sounded too good to be true. 20 00:01:19,551 --> 00:01:20,721 It was. 21 00:01:20,758 --> 00:01:23,028 Almost as soon as Paula started, 22 00:01:23,068 --> 00:01:25,138 her family stopped hearing from her. 23 00:01:25,172 --> 00:01:28,142 Turns out her new boss was not who she thought he was. 24 00:01:28,172 --> 00:01:31,242 In reality, John Robinson was a con man, 25 00:01:31,275 --> 00:01:36,205 with a penchant for rough sex that included bondage, discipline and sadomasochism, 26 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:38,376 or BDSM. 27 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:41,173 This is part one of the Slave Master. 28 00:01:57,448 --> 00:02:00,518 On January 9th, 1985, 29 00:02:00,551 --> 00:02:03,721 Lisa Stasi was staying in a motel in Kansas City. 30 00:02:04,482 --> 00:02:06,902 Lisa was 19 at the time 31 00:02:06,931 --> 00:02:09,451 and had a daughter, Tiffany. 32 00:02:09,482 --> 00:02:12,972 Tiffany at the time was under six months of age. 33 00:02:15,137 --> 00:02:18,617 That night, Lisa calls her mother-in-law 34 00:02:18,655 --> 00:02:22,235 and is crying and very upset. 35 00:02:22,275 --> 00:02:26,545 And tells her mother-in-law, "Why are you trying to take my baby away?" 36 00:02:28,689 --> 00:02:32,099 And the mother-in-law says, "We're not trying to take the baby away." 37 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:38,995 Lisa says, "They've made me sign four blank sheets of paper." 38 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:41,794 Her mother-in-law said, 39 00:02:41,827 --> 00:02:44,927 "By no means, do not sign anything. 40 00:02:44,965 --> 00:02:47,135 No one's trying to take your baby away from you." 41 00:02:47,931 --> 00:02:50,101 And she heard extreme fear 42 00:02:50,137 --> 00:02:51,757 in her daughter-in-law's voice. 43 00:02:55,758 --> 00:02:57,098 And then Lisa says, 44 00:02:57,137 --> 00:02:59,447 "Here they come. I've gotta go." 45 00:03:01,517 --> 00:03:05,027 And that was the last anyone ever heard from Lisa. 46 00:03:17,827 --> 00:03:19,377 [Tony] John Robinson had a... 47 00:03:19,413 --> 00:03:22,973 I think a very unique and interesting upbringing. 48 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,620 Just seemed like a average kid. 49 00:03:27,379 --> 00:03:32,169 [Singular] Robinson was born in late 1943 in Cicero, Illinois. 50 00:03:32,206 --> 00:03:35,236 He grew up in a neighborhood that was sort of renowned 51 00:03:35,275 --> 00:03:39,855 for criminal behavior because Al Capone had, uh, an office there, 52 00:03:39,896 --> 00:03:42,966 and there was a famous shoot-out in the neighborhood. 53 00:03:44,034 --> 00:03:46,144 It was part of the local folklore really. 54 00:03:46,172 --> 00:03:48,522 So, Robinson would have absorbed some of that 55 00:03:48,551 --> 00:03:52,721 and maybe he thought that was something that might help you get ahead in life. 56 00:03:54,517 --> 00:03:57,137 He was the middle child of five. 57 00:03:57,172 --> 00:03:59,482 [Singular] His father worked as a machinist 58 00:03:59,517 --> 00:04:01,757 and was known as a drinker, 59 00:04:01,793 --> 00:04:04,973 sort of trudging off to work and trudging back. 60 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,550 His mother was known as the disciplinarian in the family. 61 00:04:09,586 --> 00:04:12,236 According to Robinson, she was quite cold, 62 00:04:12,275 --> 00:04:14,895 uh, especially when meting out the discipline. 63 00:04:16,896 --> 00:04:21,206 [Joyce] John Robinson attended the Quigley Preparatory school. 64 00:04:21,241 --> 00:04:24,861 He wanted to attend seminary to become a priest early on. 65 00:04:24,896 --> 00:04:29,236 So, he was, in his youth, quite a straight arrow. 66 00:04:29,275 --> 00:04:33,445 [Joyce] John Robinson was in the Boy Scouts, became an Eagle Scout, 67 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:38,932 and that group travelled to London to perform in front of Queen Elizabeth and sing. 68 00:04:39,758 --> 00:04:42,278 And backstage, he met Judy Garland 69 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:44,830 who was also there performing for the Queen. 70 00:04:44,862 --> 00:04:46,722 And he went up to Judy Garland and said, 71 00:04:46,758 --> 00:04:49,068 "We Americans got to stick together." 72 00:04:49,103 --> 00:04:51,863 At which point, she, surprisingly, gave him a kiss on the cheek 73 00:04:51,896 --> 00:04:52,926 and said, "You're right." 74 00:04:55,034 --> 00:04:58,524 This was a very bold move for a 13-year-old. 75 00:04:58,551 --> 00:05:02,861 [Glatt] And later, the encounter was in theChicago Tribune. 76 00:05:03,862 --> 00:05:05,972 I think it just showed that John Robinson 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,520 was very personable and a very likable kid. 78 00:05:09,551 --> 00:05:14,101 He really had a way of relating to people and getting them to trust him. 79 00:05:16,896 --> 00:05:20,586 [Meier] Even in his childhood though, people said that he was a... 80 00:05:21,482 --> 00:05:22,762 a little bit of a con man. 81 00:05:23,689 --> 00:05:25,279 That he manipulated people, 82 00:05:25,310 --> 00:05:29,100 that he did a lot of different things to get what he wanted. 83 00:05:29,137 --> 00:05:31,927 [Douglass] I doubt whether anyone would absolutely believe 84 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:34,515 that, uh, another person could turn out to be 85 00:05:34,551 --> 00:05:37,141 the kind of person that John Robinson became. 86 00:05:40,551 --> 00:05:44,411 From the very beginning, much of what he did was a scam. 87 00:05:44,448 --> 00:05:48,238 And that scam was at first theft and forgeries, 88 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:51,794 and later on it would take a human toll. 89 00:05:54,137 --> 00:05:58,787 [Haymes] In 1961, Robinson got a job as an X-ray technician. 90 00:05:58,827 --> 00:06:03,167 He created lot of diplomas that said he was qualified. 91 00:06:03,206 --> 00:06:07,276 But as far as I know, they're all bogus. 92 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:13,760 Once he began working there, it was noticed that he really didn't know what he was doing. 93 00:06:13,793 --> 00:06:16,863 [Meier] He had none of the training or knowledge to do that. 94 00:06:16,896 --> 00:06:21,716 He started stealing from his employer so the job didn't last very long. 95 00:06:21,758 --> 00:06:24,828 [Glatt] This was just the first in a long line of future scams 96 00:06:24,862 --> 00:06:29,072 he would become involved with where he faked his credentials, 97 00:06:29,103 --> 00:06:31,593 got jobs he wasn't qualified for, 98 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:35,660 and milked the companies for various amounts of money. 99 00:06:35,689 --> 00:06:37,519 And more often than not, got away with it. 100 00:06:39,206 --> 00:06:43,336 In the '60s, one of Robinson's job was with Dr. Wallace Graham. 101 00:06:43,379 --> 00:06:47,899 [Singular] Who was the personal physician to President Harry Truman. 102 00:06:47,931 --> 00:06:51,001 [Haymes] Dr. Graham hired him as an office manager 103 00:06:51,034 --> 00:06:54,764 and very quickly money started disappearing. 104 00:06:54,793 --> 00:06:58,283 And it turned out that Robinson had embezzled 105 00:06:58,310 --> 00:07:01,550 a great deal of money from him, almost putting him out of business. 106 00:07:02,758 --> 00:07:07,028 He embezzled at least $30,000 from him. 107 00:07:07,068 --> 00:07:11,238 He ended up being convicted for that embezzlement, 108 00:07:11,275 --> 00:07:14,335 and he was put on a probation. 109 00:07:14,379 --> 00:07:17,899 So, while he was already building this pattern of criminal behavior, 110 00:07:17,931 --> 00:07:19,211 he hadn't served any time. 111 00:07:20,448 --> 00:07:21,828 [Joyce] The more he got away with it, 112 00:07:21,862 --> 00:07:24,142 the more he learnt he could get away with crimes. 113 00:07:24,793 --> 00:07:26,593 And he wouldn't stop. 114 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:32,210 And he sort of now evolved into creating these businesses of his own. 115 00:07:32,241 --> 00:07:36,521 They were all sort of fronts for his criminal activities. 116 00:07:36,551 --> 00:07:41,281 [Joyce] In the late '70s, Robinson started a company called Hydro-Gro, 117 00:07:41,310 --> 00:07:44,100 which was a hydroponics company. 118 00:07:44,137 --> 00:07:47,277 Growing plants indoors under artificial lights. 119 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:52,720 He included a pamphlet stating that he had a far-reaching imagination. 120 00:07:52,758 --> 00:07:59,308 In 1977, there was a, uh, banquet to honor the "Man of the Year" 121 00:07:59,965 --> 00:08:01,515 in Kansas City. 122 00:08:01,551 --> 00:08:04,661 And it was covered by the local media including 123 00:08:04,689 --> 00:08:07,139 our newspaper The Kansas City Star. 124 00:08:07,172 --> 00:08:13,522 And the mayor proclaimed Robinson as "Man of the Year." 125 00:08:13,551 --> 00:08:17,861 For his... philanthropic efforts, I guess. 126 00:08:19,551 --> 00:08:21,451 As it turns out, it was a fake. 127 00:08:21,482 --> 00:08:24,382 It was just some phony thing that he concocted 128 00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:27,383 and bamboozled everybody, including the media. 129 00:08:28,827 --> 00:08:30,827 [Singular] He had created a plaque for himself. 130 00:08:30,862 --> 00:08:32,972 He had created an event for himself. 131 00:08:33,896 --> 00:08:35,206 And when they found out about it, 132 00:08:35,241 --> 00:08:37,311 everybody was pretty mortified. 133 00:08:39,827 --> 00:08:45,787 He was kind of the archetypal small-time chiseler. 134 00:08:45,827 --> 00:08:50,337 Most white-collar criminals do not evolve into violent criminals. 135 00:08:50,379 --> 00:08:52,379 But his case is very different from that. 136 00:08:53,551 --> 00:08:57,831 By the '80s, he was evolving into something else. 137 00:08:58,965 --> 00:09:01,405 Up through 1984, 138 00:09:01,448 --> 00:09:05,548 Robinson was really viewed as a con man. 139 00:09:05,586 --> 00:09:10,306 And con men don't usually hurt anyone 140 00:09:10,344 --> 00:09:14,244 because they're smart enough to know that if you actually hurt someone, 141 00:09:14,275 --> 00:09:16,025 the penalty is gonna be enhanced. 142 00:09:16,068 --> 00:09:18,518 Which made it more surprising when we found out 143 00:09:18,551 --> 00:09:20,211 that he was also a serial killer. 144 00:09:34,379 --> 00:09:37,719 [Joyce] In the early '80s, Robinson started yet another company 145 00:09:37,758 --> 00:09:39,238 called Equi-II 146 00:09:39,275 --> 00:09:41,445 which was a consulting company. 147 00:09:42,862 --> 00:09:45,172 What he was actually consulting, we don't really know. 148 00:09:46,448 --> 00:09:48,898 Equi-II was what we would consider 149 00:09:48,931 --> 00:09:51,521 a... just a sham job. 150 00:09:51,551 --> 00:09:56,281 He just used it as a front to meet women. 151 00:09:56,310 --> 00:10:00,760 [Joyce] It was at this time that he hired a young woman by the name of Paula Godfrey 152 00:10:00,793 --> 00:10:03,173 to work as a secretary for him. 153 00:10:03,206 --> 00:10:07,066 [Tony] Paula had just graduated high school, honors student, 154 00:10:07,103 --> 00:10:09,343 she enjoyed figure skating. 155 00:10:09,379 --> 00:10:10,829 By all accounts a good kid. 156 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,310 [Meier] Whether he hired her to help in his business is really debatable. 157 00:10:21,068 --> 00:10:27,138 It never appears that she ever really did any work for him. 158 00:10:27,172 --> 00:10:31,142 [Rick] They had a fabulous package of benefits, 159 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:34,142 financial and you were gonna travel the world. 160 00:10:34,172 --> 00:10:38,032 And this looked like the golden opportunity. 161 00:10:38,068 --> 00:10:42,448 The last we heard about Paula, she called her grandmother 162 00:10:42,482 --> 00:10:45,932 and informed her that she was going to San Antonio 163 00:10:45,965 --> 00:10:49,305 for business and she was going to train down there. 164 00:10:52,482 --> 00:10:57,412 [Haymes] And late in the summer of '84, Paula Godfrey went missing. 165 00:10:57,448 --> 00:11:00,098 [Singular] Her parents were obviously concerned. 166 00:11:00,137 --> 00:11:02,897 They made a missing persons report 167 00:11:02,931 --> 00:11:05,341 to the Overland Park Police Department. 168 00:11:07,413 --> 00:11:11,033 But soon after, the family receives a letter 169 00:11:11,068 --> 00:11:13,998 that is allegedly from Paula. 170 00:11:15,758 --> 00:11:20,068 And in the letter she says, "Hey, I'm travelling, life is good. 171 00:11:20,103 --> 00:11:23,213 John Robinson's a wonderful person. 172 00:11:23,241 --> 00:11:25,831 He's helped me start a new life. 173 00:11:25,862 --> 00:11:28,832 And I'm fine. I'm just happy as can be." 174 00:11:30,896 --> 00:11:35,206 This is to become a theme that's repeated over and over. 175 00:11:35,241 --> 00:11:37,311 [Douglass] Based on the fact that letters showed up 176 00:11:37,344 --> 00:11:39,934 indicating that she was somewhere else, 177 00:11:39,965 --> 00:11:43,135 it became more of a person who may have just left, 178 00:11:43,172 --> 00:11:45,342 which is not all that uncommon. 179 00:11:45,379 --> 00:11:47,999 [Singular] The investigation never really developed. 180 00:11:48,034 --> 00:11:50,384 [Paul] She's one of several women that 181 00:11:50,413 --> 00:11:52,973 nobody really knows what happened to 'em. 182 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:53,970 And we'll probably never really know 183 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 what happened to 'em. 184 00:11:57,448 --> 00:12:02,378 Robinson was very adept at manipulating people. 185 00:12:02,413 --> 00:12:04,073 [Barbara] He looked like a family man. 186 00:12:04,103 --> 00:12:09,663 He dressed like the guy next door that you see pushing the lawn mower. 187 00:12:09,689 --> 00:12:13,279 He didn't dress like a guy that was out looking for girls. 188 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:15,970 He didn't look scary, like someone you had to be careful of. 189 00:12:16,689 --> 00:12:19,409 He did all these monstrous things 190 00:12:19,448 --> 00:12:23,898 but he looks like, you know, Joe Schmoe next door. 191 00:12:26,068 --> 00:12:29,278 [Meier] In 1964, Robinson met his wife Nancy. 192 00:12:30,517 --> 00:12:33,277 And she became pregnant. 193 00:12:33,310 --> 00:12:35,240 They ended up getting married. 194 00:12:35,275 --> 00:12:36,585 They had four kids. 195 00:12:38,413 --> 00:12:41,213 [Tony] In the late '70s, they moved to Olathe, 196 00:12:41,241 --> 00:12:44,551 which is, uh, a suburb of Kansas City, 197 00:12:44,586 --> 00:12:50,206 probably, I don't know, 20-mile drive or so from downtown Kansas City. 198 00:12:50,241 --> 00:12:53,831 [Rick] It was a upper scale suburban neighborhood. 199 00:12:53,862 --> 00:12:56,762 Ironically, he had a reputation in the community 200 00:12:56,793 --> 00:12:58,593 of being somewhat of a family man. 201 00:13:00,275 --> 00:13:03,715 [Meier] He appeared to be a caring, loving father, 202 00:13:03,758 --> 00:13:06,278 he was involved in his kids' activities, 203 00:13:06,310 --> 00:13:09,340 he was involved in his church. 204 00:13:09,379 --> 00:13:14,169 [Glatt] He took great pride at Christmas as being the neighborhood Santa Claus. 205 00:13:14,206 --> 00:13:18,026 There are even pictures of him online in the Santa Claus costume. 206 00:13:19,586 --> 00:13:21,896 And everybody thought he was such a nice guy. 207 00:13:24,103 --> 00:13:28,103 [Singular] He did a lot of things to make himself look respectable. 208 00:13:28,137 --> 00:13:32,067 But he didn't call that much attention to himself. 209 00:13:32,103 --> 00:13:35,623 [Tony] I think part of the reason why he got away with what he did for so long 210 00:13:35,655 --> 00:13:41,445 because he was able to create this veneer of a normal person. 211 00:13:41,482 --> 00:13:44,832 [Haymes] And unfortunately nothing could be further from the truth. 212 00:13:44,862 --> 00:13:46,522 [Paul] He was able to compartmentalize 213 00:13:46,551 --> 00:13:48,001 that kind of criminal activity, 214 00:13:48,034 --> 00:13:51,074 that kind of horror that he's inflicting on so many people, 215 00:13:51,103 --> 00:13:53,903 at the end of the day, go home and bounce a baby on his knee. 216 00:13:58,103 --> 00:14:03,283 [Haymes] One thing that came up over and over again was John Robinson's contact 217 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:07,280 with women other than his wife. 218 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:12,240 [Glatt] He gave the outward appearance of being a devoted family man, a father, 219 00:14:12,275 --> 00:14:15,925 but he would have many affairs with different women. 220 00:14:15,965 --> 00:14:20,445 [Haymes] There was always a string of girlfriends on the side. 221 00:14:20,482 --> 00:14:25,932 Sexual activity was a major part of Robinson's lifestyle. 222 00:14:29,310 --> 00:14:31,860 A area of interest 223 00:14:31,896 --> 00:14:38,096 that he took on was the BDSM lifestyle. 224 00:14:38,137 --> 00:14:44,967 BDSM is bondage, discipline and sadomasochism in consensual relations. 225 00:14:46,482 --> 00:14:51,002 Robinson referred to himself as a Master. 226 00:14:51,034 --> 00:14:56,664 That's a person who has dominance over women. 227 00:14:56,689 --> 00:15:02,279 [Paul] The Master is somebody who is the domineering figure in the relationship that 228 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:03,830 tells you what to do, when to do it, 229 00:15:03,862 --> 00:15:07,102 what sexually to do, all that kind of stuff. 230 00:15:07,137 --> 00:15:12,827 And he was able to find women that were into that lifestyle. 231 00:15:12,862 --> 00:15:16,002 [Singular] There were clubs in Kansas City where you could engage in 232 00:15:16,034 --> 00:15:18,314 those kinds of activities if you wanted to. 233 00:15:20,206 --> 00:15:22,616 He was a man who was 5'9". 234 00:15:23,344 --> 00:15:25,004 He was pudgy. 235 00:15:25,034 --> 00:15:28,934 He was not a great physical presence. 236 00:15:28,965 --> 00:15:35,165 But this notion of being this ultramasculine, dominant male, 237 00:15:35,206 --> 00:15:38,516 you know, clearly appealed to his psyche. 238 00:15:38,551 --> 00:15:41,901 He was drifting further and further into not only 239 00:15:41,931 --> 00:15:45,861 small financial scams and murder, 240 00:15:45,896 --> 00:15:51,756 but these adventures into these darker realms of the sexual underground. 241 00:15:53,206 --> 00:15:58,966 During the day, he would be out doing his thing, scam type things, 242 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 BDSM activities, hooking up with all these women. 243 00:16:03,034 --> 00:16:07,074 At night, he would go home, usually about five o'clock, 244 00:16:07,103 --> 00:16:08,343 and be home the rest of the evening. 245 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,930 [Rick] We referred to him as John Walton 246 00:16:12,965 --> 00:16:16,825 when he wasn't involved with his other activities. 247 00:16:16,862 --> 00:16:19,482 He was always there with Nancy at supper. 248 00:16:20,862 --> 00:16:24,412 [Singular] One of the unusual aspects of it 249 00:16:24,448 --> 00:16:29,308 is that neither he nor his wife, who knew about some of these affairs, 250 00:16:29,344 --> 00:16:32,554 seemed to have any interest in getting divorced. 251 00:16:32,586 --> 00:16:38,756 Robinson sort of needed that... that stability in this part of his life 252 00:16:38,793 --> 00:16:42,003 to be really aberrant in another part of his life. 253 00:16:55,103 --> 00:17:00,383 [Paul] Sheila and Debbie Faith were a mother and daughter that lived in Colorado. 254 00:17:01,206 --> 00:17:03,376 Sheila Faith was a middle-aged woman. 255 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:04,663 Her daughter, Debbie, 256 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:07,099 was disabled and wheelchair-bound. 257 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:11,379 In 1994, 258 00:17:11,413 --> 00:17:14,793 Robinson meets Sheila. 259 00:17:14,827 --> 00:17:18,617 He tells her, you know, great things about himself, 260 00:17:18,655 --> 00:17:20,275 and what a businessman he is. 261 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 He portrayed himself pretty much always the same way. 262 00:17:25,034 --> 00:17:29,034 The gentleman farmer, he's wealthy, he owns a lot of businesses. 263 00:17:30,965 --> 00:17:32,995 He would often times use the picture of him 264 00:17:33,034 --> 00:17:36,144 standing in that field with his foot up on a stump, 265 00:17:36,172 --> 00:17:39,522 talking about all this property he owned and how wealthy he was and... 266 00:17:40,206 --> 00:17:43,066 Just a super nice guy. 267 00:17:43,103 --> 00:17:46,553 [Tony] And Robinson offered Sheila the chance to come 268 00:17:47,517 --> 00:17:49,337 to the Kansas City area and 269 00:17:49,379 --> 00:17:52,619 that he would take care of her and her daughter. 270 00:17:56,103 --> 00:17:58,663 [Singular] What he was extremely good at, of course, 271 00:17:58,689 --> 00:18:02,169 was finding the vulnerabilities in people, zeroing in on them, 272 00:18:03,448 --> 00:18:04,408 exploiting them and getting them 273 00:18:04,448 --> 00:18:06,758 to do what he wanted to do. 274 00:18:06,793 --> 00:18:09,933 [Rick] He would promise everything and anything 275 00:18:09,965 --> 00:18:13,615 depending on what the needs were of his victims. 276 00:18:13,655 --> 00:18:17,685 [Joyce] Sheila had told her friends that she had met her dream man, 277 00:18:17,724 --> 00:18:20,934 that he was gonna take them on an extended cruise. 278 00:18:20,965 --> 00:18:23,515 She was very excited about going to Kansas City. 279 00:18:27,620 --> 00:18:34,000 [Tony] He actually drove all night to Pueblo, Colorado and picked them up 280 00:18:34,034 --> 00:18:35,594 and brought them back with him. 281 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:42,690 [Rick] The only thing we know about Sheila and Debbie Faith 282 00:18:42,724 --> 00:18:46,074 is they arrived in Kansas City area 283 00:18:47,137 --> 00:18:48,587 and were never seen again. 284 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:53,900 John Robinson dodged some suspicion because 285 00:18:53,931 --> 00:18:56,691 Sheila and Debbie Faith were never reported missing. 286 00:18:59,310 --> 00:19:04,170 [Paul] We always suspected that was more than anything else a money scam for him. 287 00:19:04,206 --> 00:19:08,826 They received Social Security disability benefits from the federal government. 288 00:19:10,862 --> 00:19:17,102 He continues to collect their benefits for many years after that. 289 00:19:17,137 --> 00:19:19,787 [Joyce] He would collect on their Social Security checks 290 00:19:19,827 --> 00:19:23,027 in the amount of $80,000. 291 00:19:23,068 --> 00:19:29,658 He almost had a constant stream of incomes from people he'd scammed or killed. 292 00:19:30,689 --> 00:19:33,999 This guy would do anything for a buck. 293 00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:40,764 And he doesn't care who he hurts or what kind of position they are in in life. 294 00:19:40,793 --> 00:19:43,243 If it benefits him, it's a good deal. 295 00:19:45,379 --> 00:19:49,829 [Haymes] I think Robinson was able to get away with his crimes 296 00:19:49,862 --> 00:19:55,592 because he picked victims that didn't have a lot going for them 297 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:58,690 and would have less people looking for them. 298 00:19:58,724 --> 00:20:02,864 He had a tendency to find women at their lowest point. 299 00:20:02,896 --> 00:20:06,966 Every single one of them had a marked vulnerability. 300 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,280 And he knew it, and he found it, and he seized upon it. 301 00:20:11,206 --> 00:20:12,826 They didn't all look the same, 302 00:20:12,862 --> 00:20:15,142 they weren't all the same scam, 303 00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:18,792 but that was the one thing he knew how to do. 304 00:20:18,827 --> 00:20:22,027 To find vulnerability and exploit it. 305 00:20:22,068 --> 00:20:25,238 [Paul] Here comes their knight in shining armor or so they think, 306 00:20:25,275 --> 00:20:27,275 he'll use them for a while and then... 307 00:20:28,275 --> 00:20:29,065 kill 'em. 308 00:20:44,137 --> 00:20:47,277 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 309 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:51,100 John Robinson found some victims by posting fake jobs. 310 00:20:51,137 --> 00:20:55,547 Others by luring them with promises of love and financial support. 311 00:20:55,586 --> 00:20:57,896 In 1984, he set his sights 312 00:20:57,931 --> 00:21:01,621 on a new and especially vulnerable group of potential victims. 313 00:21:01,655 --> 00:21:03,475 Young, unwed mothers. 314 00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:12,000 [Haymes] In December of 1984, I was District Supervisor 315 00:21:12,034 --> 00:21:14,454 for the Missouri Board of Probation and Parole... 316 00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:16,932 [phone ringing] 317 00:21:16,965 --> 00:21:19,165 [Haymes] ...and I got a call 318 00:21:19,206 --> 00:21:22,786 from an organization known as Birthright. 319 00:21:22,827 --> 00:21:25,447 And, uh, Birthright was a program 320 00:21:25,482 --> 00:21:28,312 that tried to help young girls who were pregnant 321 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:30,414 find a way to keep the baby. 322 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:35,310 They told me that they had been contacted by Robinson 323 00:21:35,344 --> 00:21:39,484 who wanted to know if they had any young girls that needed help. 324 00:21:40,517 --> 00:21:42,137 He started an organization 325 00:21:42,172 --> 00:21:43,762 called Kansas City Outreach 326 00:21:43,793 --> 00:21:50,343 that supposedly was charity to help young women, single mothers 327 00:21:50,379 --> 00:21:53,479 who needed a leg up in the world. 328 00:21:53,517 --> 00:21:56,617 [Singular] John Robinson and his scams would gravitate 329 00:21:56,655 --> 00:22:00,025 toward fields that looked very benevolent. 330 00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:04,378 Other serial killers have done these same kinds of things. 331 00:22:04,413 --> 00:22:07,903 Ted Bundy, for example, worked in a suicide hotline. 332 00:22:07,931 --> 00:22:11,071 Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer, 333 00:22:11,103 --> 00:22:13,143 was a president of his church. 334 00:22:14,551 --> 00:22:18,341 [Rick] Robinson was going to different hospitals 335 00:22:18,379 --> 00:22:21,719 and trying to get them to sign on 336 00:22:21,758 --> 00:22:23,828 to this outreach program 337 00:22:23,862 --> 00:22:25,762 for unwed mothers 338 00:22:25,793 --> 00:22:29,553 that he would put up in apartments and take care of. 339 00:22:31,724 --> 00:22:34,034 [Haymes] After receiving the call, I began 340 00:22:34,068 --> 00:22:35,478 looking into his background. 341 00:22:37,896 --> 00:22:41,996 I was immediately convinced that he was up to no good. 342 00:22:43,206 --> 00:22:45,026 One of my early thoughts 343 00:22:45,068 --> 00:22:49,548 when I learned that he was seeking out young women with babies 344 00:22:49,586 --> 00:22:52,756 was that he potentially was 345 00:22:53,344 --> 00:22:57,834 going to sell the baby. 346 00:22:57,862 --> 00:23:03,932 And possibly use the mother to sell into white slavery. 347 00:23:03,965 --> 00:23:07,925 I had contacted the FBI to see if they were aware 348 00:23:07,965 --> 00:23:12,305 of any baby selling operations in the Kansas City area, 349 00:23:12,344 --> 00:23:14,074 and they were not. 350 00:23:14,103 --> 00:23:17,553 [Singular] Stephen Haymes is a very interesting 351 00:23:17,586 --> 00:23:20,966 and important part of the story in many ways 352 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,310 because he was the first person in law enforcement 353 00:23:24,344 --> 00:23:27,144 that the red flags sort of went out. 354 00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:29,972 Stephen Haymes knew instinctively 355 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,410 that something about Robinson was wrong, 356 00:23:32,448 --> 00:23:33,758 something was dangerous. 357 00:23:34,965 --> 00:23:37,065 I'm still not 358 00:23:37,103 --> 00:23:40,243 thinking that... that he's a murderer at that point, 359 00:23:40,275 --> 00:23:42,135 at least with his own hand. 360 00:23:49,793 --> 00:23:52,283 [Douglass] Lisa Stasi was the next individual 361 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:54,550 encountered by John Robinson. 362 00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:56,794 Lisa married a man 363 00:23:56,827 --> 00:24:00,787 and together, they had a baby, Tiffany. 364 00:24:00,827 --> 00:24:04,277 The marriage was rocky, did not work out. 365 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:07,520 They separated and, uh, her husband 366 00:24:07,551 --> 00:24:10,931 re-enlisted in the military and... and left. 367 00:24:10,965 --> 00:24:14,475 She, uh, made contact with a hospital, 368 00:24:14,517 --> 00:24:18,687 and when they learned about the Kansas City Outreach Program, 369 00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:22,314 thought it was a perfect program for Lisa. 370 00:24:22,965 --> 00:24:24,475 It seemed like a legitimate 371 00:24:24,517 --> 00:24:26,167 outreach organization. 372 00:24:26,206 --> 00:24:30,096 Lisa was promised a job, education, 373 00:24:30,137 --> 00:24:31,857 and she thought she would be providing 374 00:24:31,896 --> 00:24:34,826 a better life for her and her young daughter. 375 00:24:34,862 --> 00:24:37,142 He put her up in a hotel in Overland Park, 376 00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:40,832 told her that he was gonna help her start a new life. 377 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,340 [Joyce] On January 9, 1985, Lisa went to visit 378 00:24:51,379 --> 00:24:53,719 her sister-in-law, Kathy Klinginsmith. 379 00:24:55,034 --> 00:24:58,864 And it was a very, very vicious snowstorm going on. 380 00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:04,380 [Meier] While she was there, Robinson went back 381 00:25:04,413 --> 00:25:07,103 to the hotel, found out that she was not there. 382 00:25:09,586 --> 00:25:12,896 [Haymes] And in the middle of a horrible snowstorm, 383 00:25:12,931 --> 00:25:16,591 Robinson shows up at the sister-in-law's home 384 00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:22,000 and is upset that Lisa had left the motel. 385 00:25:22,034 --> 00:25:26,724 He demanded that she and the baby, Tiffany, 386 00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:29,688 leave with him immediately. 387 00:25:29,724 --> 00:25:32,104 Kathy Klinginsmith would later say in court 388 00:25:32,137 --> 00:25:36,407 that she saw pure evil in his eyes that day. 389 00:25:36,448 --> 00:25:40,028 [Haymes] So he collects Lisa and Tiffany 390 00:25:40,068 --> 00:25:42,068 leaving behind her car, 391 00:25:42,103 --> 00:25:44,173 baby food, diapers, 392 00:25:44,206 --> 00:25:46,166 and whisked them away. 393 00:25:47,275 --> 00:25:48,165 [phone ringing] 394 00:25:49,241 --> 00:25:50,931 [Glatt] A short time later, 395 00:25:50,965 --> 00:25:53,445 Lisa makes that call to her mother-in-law 396 00:25:53,482 --> 00:25:55,342 about people wanting to take her baby. 397 00:25:56,793 --> 00:25:58,933 [Haymes] That last conversation, you know, 398 00:25:58,965 --> 00:26:01,965 "They've made me sign four blank sheets of paper." 399 00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:05,825 [Meier] Lisa Stasi was never seen again. 400 00:26:12,275 --> 00:26:15,445 [Haymes] After Lisa goes missing, 401 00:26:15,482 --> 00:26:17,482 the mother-in-law receives a letter. 402 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,450 It's typed. 403 00:26:19,482 --> 00:26:23,142 Lisa's brother also receives a similar letter, 404 00:26:23,862 --> 00:26:26,002 as does a shelter. 405 00:26:26,965 --> 00:26:29,965 There were three letters that were sent 406 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 and all three were very generic. 407 00:26:33,172 --> 00:26:36,592 One of the letters from Lisa said, 408 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:40,620 "Thank you for all your help. I do really appreciate it. 409 00:26:40,655 --> 00:26:42,405 I've decided to leave Kansas City 410 00:26:42,448 --> 00:26:44,928 and try to make a new life for myself and Tiffany. 411 00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:48,407 She deserves a real mother 412 00:26:48,448 --> 00:26:50,068 who works and takes care of her." 413 00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:55,860 At the bottom, it was signed Lisa Elledge Stasi. 414 00:26:58,724 --> 00:27:01,174 [Rick] Their family really didn't buy into it 415 00:27:01,206 --> 00:27:03,336 because the letters were so generic. 416 00:27:04,034 --> 00:27:05,864 It didn't sound like her 417 00:27:05,896 --> 00:27:09,686 and you don't sign your official name 418 00:27:09,724 --> 00:27:12,664 including your middle name to your family members. 419 00:27:14,931 --> 00:27:18,381 [Singular] The Overland Park police department was contacted 420 00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:20,663 about her disappearance. 421 00:27:20,689 --> 00:27:25,929 But again, there wasn't enough to really launch an investigation. 422 00:27:25,965 --> 00:27:29,515 [Douglass] At this point, there was no sign of foul play. 423 00:27:29,551 --> 00:27:32,211 So like many cases of a disappearing person 424 00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:35,521 with some reason to believe that they simply left on their own, 425 00:27:35,551 --> 00:27:37,721 the case went no further. 426 00:27:43,896 --> 00:27:47,476 [Haymes] On January 10 of 1985, 427 00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:49,717 I decided I had enough 428 00:27:49,758 --> 00:27:52,588 information looking into his background 429 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:55,590 that I wanted to confront him directly 430 00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:58,660 about what was going on. At that point, 431 00:27:58,689 --> 00:28:02,409 I still don't know about Lisa and Tiffany. 432 00:28:02,448 --> 00:28:05,548 Ironically, the letter I sent on January 10 433 00:28:05,586 --> 00:28:09,066 is also the same day that Lisa Stasi 434 00:28:09,103 --> 00:28:12,103 and baby Tiffany were last seen. 435 00:28:13,413 --> 00:28:16,763 I've often wondered if I would have 436 00:28:16,793 --> 00:28:19,793 made my direct contact with him, 437 00:28:19,827 --> 00:28:22,277 you know, a week or two earlier, 438 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:24,070 maybe she wouldn't have gone missing. 439 00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:28,033 I mean, those are the sort of, uh, regrets that you always have. 440 00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:34,140 [Paul] There was a common thread with all these women. 441 00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:38,237 The last time anybody had seen 'em, 442 00:28:38,275 --> 00:28:41,445 they all become involved with John Robinson. 443 00:28:41,482 --> 00:28:44,482 None of 'em ever been seen again after that involvement. 444 00:28:44,517 --> 00:28:47,827 There was no activity, no credit card activity, 445 00:28:47,862 --> 00:28:50,452 no phone activity, nothing from any of these women. 446 00:28:50,482 --> 00:28:55,142 Most of the cases, as soon as John Robinson was contacted, 447 00:28:55,172 --> 00:28:58,622 by either a family member or the police, 448 00:28:58,655 --> 00:29:01,995 then what I would call a cover-up started. 449 00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:03,724 [Paul] He had a very similar pattern 450 00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:08,338 for most of his victims. He would get these ladies 451 00:29:08,379 --> 00:29:11,659 convinced that he was getting ready to take 'em on a trip. 452 00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:14,309 And he would say to them, "You know, you're gonna be 453 00:29:14,344 --> 00:29:17,034 traveling all the time. You're gonna wanna contact your relatives. 454 00:29:17,068 --> 00:29:20,688 So why don't you pre-write some letters right now? 455 00:29:21,586 --> 00:29:24,096 And the ones that you don't pre-write, 456 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,687 would you sign your signature to the bottom of these 457 00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,314 pages of stationery?" 458 00:29:30,862 --> 00:29:34,902 So he could mail 'em while they're traveling the world. 459 00:29:34,931 --> 00:29:38,521 [Singular] It was a good way of keeping families 460 00:29:38,551 --> 00:29:41,001 and law enforcement at bay. 461 00:29:41,034 --> 00:29:43,034 And he used it over and over again in the future. 462 00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:47,449 [Paul] He was very adapt at doing things 463 00:29:47,482 --> 00:29:48,972 to throw off an investigation. 464 00:30:02,172 --> 00:30:04,932 Steve Haymes was feeling uneasy 465 00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:08,135 about Robinson and these missing women. 466 00:30:09,413 --> 00:30:12,103 [Joyce] Stephen Haymes sent a letter to Robinson 467 00:30:12,137 --> 00:30:13,967 saying he wanted to come in 468 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,620 to his office to meet with him. 469 00:30:16,655 --> 00:30:20,615 [Haymes] Robinson shows up at my office on the 24th. 470 00:30:20,655 --> 00:30:24,475 Here's this, uh, rather ordinary looking man. 471 00:30:24,517 --> 00:30:28,067 Very business man looking. He's... 472 00:30:29,827 --> 00:30:32,027 not a dangerous looking person at all. 473 00:30:32,068 --> 00:30:34,618 Not a dangerous acting person. 474 00:30:34,655 --> 00:30:38,405 He's got a smile on his face and you can tell 475 00:30:38,448 --> 00:30:43,238 he's... he's just trying to lure you in to his con. 476 00:30:44,827 --> 00:30:47,137 Robinson wants to know what's going on. 477 00:30:47,172 --> 00:30:51,452 I talk to him about the birthright situation. 478 00:30:51,482 --> 00:30:54,722 They had been contacted by Robinson. 479 00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:58,928 Wanted to know if they had any young girls that needed help. 480 00:31:00,034 --> 00:31:02,524 And he says, "Oh, yeah, that's... that's true. 481 00:31:02,551 --> 00:31:05,281 You know, we are a group of businessmen. 482 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:07,620 We just wanted to give back to the community." 483 00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:09,995 I'm telling him this doesn't make any sense. 484 00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:12,834 Are you incorporated? You know, is it not for profit? 485 00:31:12,862 --> 00:31:14,862 "Well, no, we haven't done that. 486 00:31:14,896 --> 00:31:17,336 I've got an attorney that's working on that." 487 00:31:18,413 --> 00:31:20,453 One of the interesting things about Robinson 488 00:31:20,482 --> 00:31:23,212 is, is that, you know, he never admits defeat. 489 00:31:23,241 --> 00:31:25,691 You can never back him into the corner, 490 00:31:25,724 --> 00:31:28,624 and he'll say, "Oh, okay, you got me." 491 00:31:28,655 --> 00:31:31,855 [Paul] John Robinson lied as a lifestyle. 492 00:31:31,896 --> 00:31:33,376 He was one of those people who's just gonna tell you 493 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:34,413 lies to tell you the truth. 494 00:31:34,448 --> 00:31:36,168 Even if it was easier to tell you the truth. 495 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:38,136 It's almost a pathological 496 00:31:38,172 --> 00:31:39,032 thing with him. 497 00:31:39,068 --> 00:31:40,338 [Haymes] When you confront him 498 00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:43,999 with the facts that... that show that he's lying, 499 00:31:44,034 --> 00:31:46,554 he says, "Oh, well, you know, that's just partially true." 500 00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:50,856 And then immediately spins a new yarn about 501 00:31:50,896 --> 00:31:52,616 how, you know, "This is really what happened," 502 00:31:52,655 --> 00:31:54,545 which requires that you go back 503 00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:56,206 and reinvestigate everything. 504 00:31:57,241 --> 00:31:59,931 So it was very frustrating. 505 00:31:59,965 --> 00:32:02,615 Nothing is easy with John Robinson. 506 00:32:03,758 --> 00:32:05,928 [Meier] Haymes was not comfortable 507 00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:08,895 with the answers that Robinson was giving him. 508 00:32:08,931 --> 00:32:11,241 As such felt it was necessary 509 00:32:12,241 --> 00:32:14,211 I gotta do something with this guy. 510 00:32:15,758 --> 00:32:17,548 After my first contact with... 511 00:32:17,586 --> 00:32:21,896 face-to-face with Robinson in January of '85, 512 00:32:21,931 --> 00:32:25,451 I was involved almost daily in investigating him. 513 00:32:26,551 --> 00:32:29,171 Haymes spent the next six months 514 00:32:29,206 --> 00:32:32,926 looking into Robinson's background. 515 00:32:32,965 --> 00:32:35,785 [Haymes] I contacted the social workers 516 00:32:35,827 --> 00:32:39,787 at the hospital about the Kansas City Outreach Program, 517 00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:43,717 and they told me that one girl that had been referred to him, 518 00:32:43,758 --> 00:32:47,168 Lisa Stasi, and her baby, Tiffany, 519 00:32:47,206 --> 00:32:49,856 had not been seen for some time. 520 00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:55,283 I learned more and more about his criminal activity 521 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:58,210 and it's just going on everywhere. 522 00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:02,591 Was certainly convinced that he was up to no good. 523 00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:04,900 There's this obvious string of... of young girls 524 00:33:04,931 --> 00:33:06,311 that have gone missing. 525 00:33:06,344 --> 00:33:09,284 But we still don't know at that time 526 00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:10,520 what's happening to them, 527 00:33:10,551 --> 00:33:13,281 where they are, were they killed by Robinson, 528 00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:17,100 were they sold into white slavery? 529 00:33:17,137 --> 00:33:20,827 If they were killed, were they killed by his own hand? 530 00:33:20,862 --> 00:33:25,622 There's more unanswered questions at that point than there are answers. 531 00:33:26,862 --> 00:33:29,762 The next best thing was to get him off the street. 532 00:33:29,793 --> 00:33:32,663 It's kind of the... the Al Capone thing. 533 00:33:32,689 --> 00:33:34,789 If you can't get him for what Capone did, 534 00:33:34,827 --> 00:33:36,967 you get him for income tax evasion. 535 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000 The goal was really to get him off the streets 536 00:33:40,034 --> 00:33:41,694 for anything that we could. 537 00:33:42,655 --> 00:33:44,585 In Johnson County, Kansas, 538 00:33:46,034 --> 00:33:48,974 the police were investigating Robinson for fraud. 539 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,410 He would be arrested for that, 540 00:33:51,448 --> 00:33:53,898 he would be sent to trial for that, 541 00:33:53,931 --> 00:33:56,101 and he would be convicted of fraud 542 00:33:56,517 --> 00:33:58,337 in 1987. 543 00:33:58,379 --> 00:34:01,239 And he would then serve the next six years 544 00:34:01,275 --> 00:34:03,475 in prison in Kansas. 545 00:34:03,517 --> 00:34:07,587 I was relieved that he couldn't victimize any other young women. 546 00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:12,718 [Meier] But before he went to prison, he placed this ad 547 00:34:12,758 --> 00:34:15,208 in a newspaper asking for help. 548 00:34:15,931 --> 00:34:16,971 And a young woman by the name 549 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,550 of Catherine Clampitt showed up. 550 00:34:21,758 --> 00:34:24,858 [Haymes] Catherine Clampitt was a young, somewhat 551 00:34:25,517 --> 00:34:28,237 troubled young girl. 552 00:34:28,275 --> 00:34:30,585 Catherine's family described her as being 553 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,000 a very intelligent young lady. 554 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:36,174 Had a bit of a wild side, maybe adventurous side. 555 00:34:36,206 --> 00:34:39,926 Clampitt had a young child that she left with her parents 556 00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:42,335 when she came up here to the Kansas City area. 557 00:34:44,413 --> 00:34:47,343 [Tony] She answered a job ad that he had put out 558 00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:49,859 saying looking for somebody that was interested 559 00:34:49,896 --> 00:34:51,896 in a great job 560 00:34:51,931 --> 00:34:54,381 with travel, new wardrobe. 561 00:34:54,413 --> 00:34:57,243 The kind of thing that, you know, any young person 562 00:34:57,275 --> 00:34:59,065 might look at and go, "Wow, this sounds great." 563 00:35:00,931 --> 00:35:03,031 [Haymes] Robinson convinced her that, 564 00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:06,138 you know, he really had a... a good job for her. 565 00:35:07,586 --> 00:35:09,276 [Tony] After she answered that ad, 566 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,615 she was never seen again. 567 00:35:15,344 --> 00:35:18,384 [Rick] Letters started showing up and they were hand-written 568 00:35:18,931 --> 00:35:20,451 by Catherine Clampitt. 569 00:35:21,931 --> 00:35:24,791 She enquired about her kid, she had a kid. 570 00:35:24,827 --> 00:35:27,897 She would ask questions in the letters, 571 00:35:27,931 --> 00:35:31,031 saying that she was traveling but it was suspicious 572 00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:35,967 because those letters all came from the Kansas City area. 573 00:35:37,137 --> 00:35:38,927 [Haymes] Even after the Kansas conviction, 574 00:35:38,965 --> 00:35:41,305 you would think that he would be 575 00:35:41,344 --> 00:35:43,794 at least trying to be at his best behavior. 576 00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:45,446 But he's not. 577 00:35:57,931 --> 00:36:02,281 [Rick] I never met anybody that didn't hate John Robinson. 578 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:04,520 And I also did not find anybody 579 00:36:04,551 --> 00:36:06,031 that he ever told the truth to. 580 00:36:07,137 --> 00:36:10,207 I don't think you could probably trust anything 581 00:36:10,241 --> 00:36:12,341 that came out of his mouth. 582 00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:15,449 [Tony] I've heard that somebody is a silver tongued devil, 583 00:36:15,482 --> 00:36:18,282 which, in his case, is pretty apt. 584 00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:28,615 In the late 1980s, John Robinson is sentenced to prison. 585 00:36:28,655 --> 00:36:31,585 And at the prison, he meets 586 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:34,030 a woman by the name of Beverly Bonner 587 00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:37,408 who worked in the prison library 588 00:36:37,448 --> 00:36:41,168 and was married to the prison doctor. 589 00:36:41,206 --> 00:36:45,096 Robinson became very, very friendly with her. 590 00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:48,447 In fact, he manipulated her while he was in prison, 591 00:36:48,482 --> 00:36:51,102 and they soon started an affair actually. 592 00:36:53,689 --> 00:36:56,339 [Joyce] In 1993, John Robinson 593 00:36:56,379 --> 00:36:58,689 was released from prison. 594 00:36:58,724 --> 00:37:02,524 [Tony] And Beverly decides that she's going to leave her husband 595 00:37:02,551 --> 00:37:05,591 and run off with this guy. 596 00:37:06,034 --> 00:37:07,244 She got divorced, 597 00:37:07,275 --> 00:37:09,925 moved up here to be with him. 598 00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:13,515 [Rick] He made her an officer in his business. 599 00:37:13,551 --> 00:37:16,761 He also opened a couple credit cards under her name. 600 00:37:17,724 --> 00:37:20,484 And then, she also disappeared. 601 00:37:25,206 --> 00:37:27,966 [Joyce] Her family started receiving letters 602 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,620 saying, "Having a great time in Europe." 603 00:37:30,655 --> 00:37:33,305 And they were postmarked from France and Switzerland. 604 00:37:34,827 --> 00:37:39,277 No one ever questioned that she wasn't in the Kansas City area. 605 00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:41,340 They just assumed she was off traveling 606 00:37:41,379 --> 00:37:43,449 because of these postmarked envelopes. 607 00:37:44,862 --> 00:37:46,832 In Beverly Bonner's case, 608 00:37:47,793 --> 00:37:49,003 her son died. 609 00:37:49,965 --> 00:37:54,275 And yet, she never wrote a word about it. 610 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,450 [Paul] Bonner had maintenance payments 611 00:37:59,482 --> 00:38:02,522 routinely coming to her from her ex-husband, the doctor, 612 00:38:02,551 --> 00:38:04,691 as part of the divorce package. 613 00:38:04,724 --> 00:38:07,624 [Meier] Robinson has those sent to a post office box 614 00:38:07,655 --> 00:38:08,995 in Olathe, Kansas, 615 00:38:09,034 --> 00:38:12,004 where he then collects them and cashes them. 616 00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:15,904 [Joyce] Robinson continued to cash those checks 617 00:38:15,931 --> 00:38:17,901 for the next 18 months, 618 00:38:17,931 --> 00:38:21,661 which would have been at least $18,000. 619 00:38:21,689 --> 00:38:24,689 He's always looking for a buck no matter how he can get it. 620 00:38:26,586 --> 00:38:29,716 [Singular] It's interesting that through his criminal career, 621 00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:32,383 money was a factor. 622 00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:34,343 If you think about a lot of serial killers, 623 00:38:34,379 --> 00:38:38,929 you don't often have money as a component of that. 624 00:38:38,965 --> 00:38:41,685 From the very beginning, he was determined 625 00:38:41,724 --> 00:38:45,384 to take money from people by illegal and illicit means. 626 00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:52,482 [Haymes] When Robinson was released from prison, 627 00:38:52,517 --> 00:38:54,547 he lived in Missouri, 628 00:38:54,586 --> 00:38:56,516 just south of Kansas City 629 00:38:56,551 --> 00:39:00,551 in a trailer that his wife had rented there. 630 00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:04,383 That was not within the jurisdiction 631 00:39:04,413 --> 00:39:06,933 of my district office. 632 00:39:08,137 --> 00:39:12,967 But I held his file back in my desk drawer. 633 00:39:14,344 --> 00:39:16,554 I would review the file periodically. 634 00:39:16,586 --> 00:39:18,856 Was there anything I missed? You know, what... 635 00:39:18,896 --> 00:39:20,406 What more could I do? 636 00:39:20,448 --> 00:39:22,548 What more could I investigate? 637 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,620 [Douglass] In the '90s, the Internet became 638 00:39:31,655 --> 00:39:35,305 an incredible part of our everyday life. 639 00:39:35,344 --> 00:39:38,034 [Glatt] The irony was that Robinson learned 640 00:39:38,068 --> 00:39:40,138 about the Internet while he was in prison. 641 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:41,792 He was very, very smart 642 00:39:41,827 --> 00:39:44,067 and he had a very good head for it. 643 00:39:44,103 --> 00:39:48,073 He used to see Internet to meet and attract women. 644 00:39:48,103 --> 00:39:49,623 [Glatt] For a long time, he'd be involved 645 00:39:49,655 --> 00:39:52,475 in BDSM and sadomasochism, 646 00:39:52,517 --> 00:39:55,137 and he gravitated towards those chat rooms. 647 00:39:56,344 --> 00:39:59,934 He actually referred to himself as Slave Master. 648 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:02,755 [Singular] He had five computers set up 649 00:40:02,793 --> 00:40:05,863 and with some or all of those computers, 650 00:40:05,896 --> 00:40:07,926 he was hunting 651 00:40:07,965 --> 00:40:11,585 for new women to victimize in some way. 652 00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:15,240 This guy would connect with women all over America. 653 00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:17,065 [Douglass] It is commonly understood 654 00:40:17,103 --> 00:40:18,793 that he was the first serial killer 655 00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:23,787 to use the Internet as a stalking ground for finding victims. 656 00:40:23,827 --> 00:40:26,307 [Singular] Once he got his hands on computers, 657 00:40:26,344 --> 00:40:28,834 the whole game changed and expanded for Robinson. 658 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,930 And he would now use that 659 00:40:31,965 --> 00:40:34,135 in the evolution of his criminal career. 660 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:42,310 [Tony] After about a decade of instances 661 00:40:42,344 --> 00:40:46,074 where women met John Robinson and then disappeared, 662 00:40:46,103 --> 00:40:47,553 it's still happening. 663 00:40:47,586 --> 00:40:49,856 [Nancy] He told me that he had a job with the state department 664 00:40:49,896 --> 00:40:51,966 and that would also be the reason 665 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,450 why he was away all the time. 666 00:40:54,482 --> 00:40:59,102 [Joyce] Robinson met Suzette through an online chat room. 667 00:40:59,137 --> 00:41:02,307 On March 1, she totally disappeared. 668 00:41:02,344 --> 00:41:03,694 [woman on phone] I don't know if I should 669 00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:05,664 maybe call the police to jump in. 670 00:41:05,689 --> 00:41:06,719 [man on phone] Why? 671 00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:10,338 [Haymes] They began putting the pieces together. 672 00:41:10,379 --> 00:41:12,279 This guy is a... a serial killer. 673 00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:15,970 How much crazier can this thing be? 674 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,620 [Rick] When we lifted it back up, we saw 675 00:41:17,655 --> 00:41:19,335 a little red streak 676 00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:22,339 of red liquid going down the side of the barrel. 677 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:26,205 [Haymes] He is just evil itself. 678 00:41:27,172 --> 00:41:29,552 I mean, he's the definition of evil. 679 00:41:35,172 --> 00:41:38,002 John Robinson's fatherly demeanor helped shroud 680 00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:40,624 the depraved sex life he lived behind closed doors. 681 00:41:41,137 --> 00:41:42,207 He was cunning 682 00:41:42,241 --> 00:41:44,171 and managed to dodge suspicion about 683 00:41:44,206 --> 00:41:46,206 the ever-growing list of women in his life 684 00:41:46,241 --> 00:41:47,931 who were never seen again. 685 00:41:47,965 --> 00:41:50,275 That is until one victim's disappearance 686 00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:52,450 set off alarm bells with her family, 687 00:41:52,482 --> 00:41:54,862 and her mother confronts Robinson 688 00:41:54,896 --> 00:41:57,546 in part two of the Slave Master. 689 00:41:57,586 --> 00:42:00,476 I'm Donnie Wahlberg, thanks for watching. 690 00:42:00,517 --> 00:42:01,407 Good night. 691 00:42:01,457 --> 00:42:06,007 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 57383

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