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Gravano: I'm loyal to anybody.
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Unless you [bleep] with me or
betray me or do something crazy,
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then I could become
your worst nightmare.
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And I admit it.
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I want to eat you alive.
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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
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was one of America's
most feared mobsters.
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He was also the highest-ranking
crime family member in New York
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to turn government witness.
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In 1992, he testified against
his former boss, John Gotti,
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and spilled secrets of his life
in organized crime.
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Sounded like a thriller
straight out of the movies,
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but Gravano lived the life
and lived to tell.
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He calls himself a loyal soldier
who believed in the brotherhood.
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But, to many, he is nothing more
than a cunning,
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cold-blooded murderer.
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This is Sammy the Bull.
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Destefano: There's an old saying
in the Mafia,
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that only a friend can hurt you.
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Gravano:
Joe Colucci was a bricklayer.
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He was a hunter, a tough guy.
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I really liked him.
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Schumacher: Gravano and Colucci
were friends.
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They worked well together.
They respected each other.
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Joe Colucci was actually
part of a crew
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within the Colombo crime family.
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Colucci: One of my mother's
friends used to call him
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the male Elizabeth Taylor.
[Laughs]
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That he was so handsome,
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he was so ...
and beautiful,
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with his black hair
and blue eyes.
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He was a great father.
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He loved his kids to death.
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Gravano:
One night, we went out drinking.
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We went to an after-hour club.
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It was about four o'clock
in the morning.
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Destefano: They get Colucci
to go out with them,
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carouse around,
drinking in clubs
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and hitting various nightspots.
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They get in a car,
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and Colucci doesn't want
anybody sitting behind him,
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so he sits in the backseat.
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And at some point
as the night works on,
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Colucci gets his guard down
and sits in the front seat.
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Hunter:
The Beatles were on the radio.
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Sammy's sitting, you know,
catty corner from him.
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Gravano:
The car took off.
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The windows were rolled up.
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I went in my waistband
and pulled out a .38.
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I put the gun to the back of his
head, and I pulled the trigger.
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And then they ultimately
dump the body,
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and at that point, Sammy fires,
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he said, a few more shots
into the body.
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This is his first hit.
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Gravano:
The order came down to kill him.
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When it comes from the top
and you have to do it,
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that's part
of the code of the Mafia.
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If you refuse,
you can be killed.
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In most cases, you will be.
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Destefano:
Sammy felt good about it ...
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good in a strange way,
because he felt empowered.
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He didn't feel remorse.
He didn't feel sad.
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He said afterwards, "The easiest
thing was pulling the trigger."
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Gabriel: Sammy's first murder
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was a little bit of
an awakening.
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He wasn't as bothered by it as
he probably thought he might be.
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I slept like a baby
the entire night.
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Why don't I feel guilt, remorse?
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Why don't I feel anything?
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I did feel something.
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I thought I had power
over life and death.
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I know one thing ...
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that night I became
a professional killer.
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Destefano: Sammy Gravano grew up
in Bensonhurst,
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and that was
an Italian-American enclave
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for New York City
at that time.
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Colucci:
Everybody was friends.
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Like, if somebody got married,
everybody went to the wedding.
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If somebody died,
everybody went to the funeral.
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Hunter: Anyone who's seen
the movie "Goodfellas,"
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that will give you
a pretty good idea of the world
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that Sammy Gravano
grew up in.
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Where'd you get
those cigarettes?
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It's all right.
Get him out of here.
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It was the neighborhood
in Brooklyn ... Italian,
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working class, tight-knit,
where everybody knew everybody,
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and among the people
that everybody knew
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was mobsters
in the neighborhood.
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Sammy related that his early
impression from his father
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was that these were bad people
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and that they were really
to be avoided.
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His father told him,
"Look. There's these guys
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in the neighborhood.
They're bad guys,
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but they're our bad guys."
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Destefano: Of course,
that created an extra aura
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or attraction to a young guy
growing up in Bensonhurst.
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These were people who had
some stature in the community.
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They were powerful,
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they had influence, and you
didn't want to cross their path.
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Hunter: Now, Sammy's parents,
Kay and Gerry,
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they were complete
straight arrows.
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They owned a dress factory,
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and Sammy worked for them,
and he adored them.
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Destefano:
Sammy had trouble in school
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because it turned out
he was dyslexic
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and, at that point,
wasn't diagnosed,
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and he became the butt of jokes
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because of his seemingly
slow learning ability.
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Hunter: He was treated like he
was some kind of dummy,
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and the other kids would laugh,
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and he'd start hitting them
outside in the school yard
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because he was humiliated.
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Destefano: So, at an early age,
he was known to be able
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to defend himself
and wasn't shy
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about getting into fist fights.
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Papa:
He was also smaller in stature.
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And I think, to overcompensate,
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he probably had to learn
to be a tough guy.
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Hunter:
When he was 10 years old,
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his parents got him a bike
for his 10th birthday,
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and these kids stole it,
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and he eventually
tracked them down.
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They were a few years older.
They were bigger.
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And across from the local bar
where a lot of these wise guys
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hung out, he confronted
these guys and he went wild.
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He was getting beat up,
but he kept on slugging at them.
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Destefano:
Sammy was quick with his fists
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and was able to do a number
on the thieves.
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Hunter:
Until the wise guys came over
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and told these guys,
"This is his bike.
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You kids take off."
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And one of the guys said,
"Oh, look at Sammy.
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What a little bull."
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And that's how the name
supposedly started.
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McShane: He couldn't find a home
in the classroom,
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but he found a home
on the streets.
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Hunter: Sammy saw the heft the
local wise guys actually had ...
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that they could
make problems go away.
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A lot of people will tell you
that in old New York,
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you know, if you got
a mob neighborhood,
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you didn't have to worry
about grandma
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getting hit over the head
getting off the bus.
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It was a very ordered world.
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Destefano: Sammy ultimately
joined a group
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called the Rampers.
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They were low-level, unofficial
wise guys in the neighborhood
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who could carry out robberies,
heists,
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break-ins, among other things.
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That made them an unofficial
secondary farm team
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for organized crime.
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Hunter:
The Rampers did spot talent.
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If a kid kept his mouth shut,
knew what he was doing,
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showed a certain amount
of respect,
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there might be a chance
to sort of move up to the bigs.
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And Shorty Sparrow,
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who is a member of the Colombo
crime family, saw this in Sammy.
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He says, "Listen. I hear
a lot of good things about you.
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I know a lot of things
about you.
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You're going to get killed."
He said,
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"You're too [bleep] tough.
You don't want to listen.
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You've got to hook up
with people.
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I would like you to be with me.
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I will never lie to you.
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I will never backstab.
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Whatever I ask you to do,
I already did."
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It was music to my ear.
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He was being recognized
for something
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that he could do and do well.
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The attraction for Sammy Gravano
was just the fact
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that he wanted
to make something of himself.
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There was sort of power
and swagger and money.
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Schumacher: Gravano,
he's a young guy.
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This is his first hit.
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When Gravano woke up the next
morning and he was
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in an apartment
and there was a lot of commotion
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about the murder of Joe Colucci.
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People coming in, girls, guys.
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"Oh, my God. Joe Colucci
was killed last night.
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It's in the newspapers."
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And I said, "Did they catch
who did it?"
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It was early morning,
and I was feeding my daughter,
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and the bell rang, and it was
detectives to come and tell me
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that they found my brother's
body and that he was shot.
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It was devastating.
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It was horrible.
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He was my big brother.
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He was my best friend.
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And then the next thing
you know,
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Tommy and Sammy showed up
at our house
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that day
that the detectives came,
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that they "found out
that Joey got murdered."
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"We're going to find out
who did this to him,"
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and hugging everybody,
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and they're going to work along
with the cops
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and help them try to find out
what happened to Joey.
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Brevetti: And that takes
a certain type of person
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to do that, right?
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So this is the warped mind
of people who were in the life.
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Destefano: Cosa Nostra is the
American version of the Mafia,
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which is ...
originates in Italy and Sicily.
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To be considered for membership,
you have to show
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that you're capable of killing
for the family
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or making a lot of money
for the family.
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If you have either or both of
those two things going for you
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and politically, you know,
you play the game,
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you'll be considered
for membership.
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According to Sammy, they had
a meeting with Carmine Persico,
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and others in the Colombo
crime family about
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the Colucci homicide,
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and they were questioned
about how this went down.
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And after they gave
their summary,
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Persico indicated that you know,
Sammy had done a good job.
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That put him on the radar
of the top people
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in the crime family
in a big way.
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Gabriel: As an associate,
it's a good sign
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because you've done
the one thing
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you need to convince everybody
you could do to become a member,
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so that elevates your status.
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It engenders you with the boss.
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It's not just how you did it,
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but how you conducted yourself
afterwards.
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It all speaks
to his mafia character,
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and they see the kinda traits
they really like in a guy.
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Destefano: If you can kill,
it takes a certain person
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to do that,
you know, dispassionately,
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professionally,
with no deep remorse.
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That's a valuable commodity
in organized crime.
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In the late '20s, early '30s,
there was a big war in which,
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when all was said and done,
five families emerged,
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and those are the five families
that are still there today.
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They were the Genovese, Gambino,
Lucchese, Banano,
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and Colombo crime families.
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The Gambino family at the time
was probably the most powerful
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and largest organized
crime family.
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Destefano: After Carlo Gambino
died in about 1976,
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the leadership of the crime
family went to Paul Castellano.
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Castellano
was of a different cut.
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He was not a street gangster.
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He was a businessman who had
successful poultry businesses,
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meat businesses.
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So Sammy early on gets
very tightly aligned
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to Frankie DeCicco.
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Brevetti: Frankie DeCicco
was a capo ... a big earner.
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Very, very influential.
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Gabriel:
Very close to Paul Castellano.
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So, as Sammy is getting closer
to Frankie,
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he's brought
into that circle.
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Sammy also began to gravitate
to the construction business.
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Raab: And he was very good in
drywall and excavation,
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and he started
his own companies.
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Gabriel: Paul was earning
a lot of money
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through Sammy's involvement
in the construction stuff,
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and he kept Sammy close
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because that was big dollars
coming to Paul.
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So Sammy had access to the boss,
which not every soldier does.
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??
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About 1976, Sammy is inducted
in a very secret location,
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and it's the proudest day
of his life.
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To be invited to be a member
of the Mafia or Cosa Nostra
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was really the pinnacle
of achievement
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for that kind of life.
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Hunter: He went into a basement
of a house
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in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn,
and he was called.
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It was his turn.
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Gabriel: So, guys like Sammy,
from the minute
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they start
their criminal activity,
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their goal, their aspiration ...
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it's more than a kid's dream
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who wants to be
an astronaut, right?
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They just admire the life
around the mobster
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that they've grown up
seeing on the street.
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Papa: He's introduced to the
various people sitting there.
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At the head of the table was
Gambino boss Paul Castellano.
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Destefano: You're asked if you
know why you're there,
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and you have to lie and say "No,
I don't know why I'm there."
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Hunter: And he was told it
was an honored society,
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it was a secret society,
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and that family came
before his own family
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and anything else in his life.
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McShane: Castellano told him
there is no God anymore for you.
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We are your God.
The family is your God.
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Papa: And what they do
is they bring a holy card.
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They prick your finger,
and you have to take an oath
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that you swear to be
loyal to the family.
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The blood runs onto the
holy card and you vow omert�,
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which means that you will
never speak
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against anybody in the family.
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You will not cooperate
with law enforcement.
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They burn a picture of a saint
in your hands.
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That signified that,
if he betrayed the organization,
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that the saint burning
represented his soul burning.
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And then you're given code
of conduct.
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You're told the rules.
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Hunter: He took it very, very,
very serious.
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He believed 1,000%
in La Casa Nostra.
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??
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Sammy met,
almost by happenstance,
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Debbie Scibetta.
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She was a sweet kid and really
didn't know much
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about the life on the street.
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She wasn't connected to it
in any way.
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He clearly adores her.
You get the sense
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that he has always been
able to rely upon her.
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Destefano:
Sammy ultimately proposed
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and they marry in April of 1971.
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Sammy and Debbie had two kids.
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There was Karen and Gerard.
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And Debbie was very devout
and devoted to the family,
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and Sammy was out there
earning money any way he could.
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Hunter:
She has understood his life,
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which isn't always
easiest thing to understand.
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I think that he has also drew
two lines between his life.
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There was the life
as a gangster,
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and then there was the life
as daddy and hubby.
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Brevetti: Sammy's ability
to compartmentalize
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and rationalize
has no limit.
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He was a master of deception.
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He was very good at it.
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??
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Brevetti:
Sammy took an oath that said,
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"Our family
comes before your family."
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??
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And he swore to that.
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And, of course, that became
the conundrum
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or the problem
that Gravano faced.
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Nick Scibetta
was his wife's brother.
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Gabriel: He was probably
a half of an associate.
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He actually hung around,
thanks to the reputation
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of his brother-in-law,
Sammy, and enjoyed privileges
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that he otherwise
would not have enjoyed.
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So Scibetta's around
a lot of wise guys,
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and he becomes a drug addict.
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He becomes a cocaine head.
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And he was becoming
a nuisance ... flamboyant,
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bringing attention to himself.
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Grabiel: And word makes it
to Paul's ears,
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which is never a good thing.
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The concern obviously is
he's been around so many guys
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and conversations potentially ...
he gets pinched
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and is strung out,
he could say stupid things.
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They were worried he could
be talking or leaking
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or that he'd be vulnerable
to an investigation.
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So Castellano authorized
the hit on Nicholas Scibetta.
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And so Sammy can't do
anything about it.
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He knew that if he had warned
Nick Scibetta
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what was about to happen,
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it would end up with a bullet
behind the ear
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for Sammy as well.
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And so he understood
that this kid had to go.
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Destefano: He made that choice
and that became his code,
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and he was gonna live it.
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In the end, he went with the mob
family over his wife's family.
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And they take Nick Scibetta
for a ride, and he is murdered.
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Sammy says that his involvement
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was that
he allowed it to happen.
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Gabriel:
And to make matters worse,
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the guys chopped up his body,
put it in garbage bags,
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and scattered it in different
garbage disposals
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around Brooklyn.
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A dog was being walked
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and came across
one of the body parts,
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pulled it out of the garbage,
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and they eventually identify him
as Nick Scibetta.
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The only thing that
was recovered was his hand,
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and they knew from a ring
on his hand that it was him.
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Gabriel: News gets out,
obviously, to Debbie.
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She's distraught as all can be,
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and, of course, now Sammy's
got to play the loving husband.
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"We're going to look into this.
We'll get whoever did this.
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Can't imagine what happened."
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Sammy Gravano knew
how to play the part.
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So you go to the wake.
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You go to the funeral,
and you play the part.
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And Sammy Gravano knew
how to do that job.
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??
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Brevetti: Organized crime,
its purpose was only one,
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and that was to make money ...
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to make money in the easiest
possible way.
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Papa: La Cosa Nostra was
big business in New York City.
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You were doing it illegally,
but it was big business.
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The Concrete Club is probably
the best example of that.
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Gabriel: The Gambino family
as well as the Genovese
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and Colombo family
collectively controlled
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just about every union
in New York.
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So, in essence, they earned off
of every yard of cement
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that got poured in Manhattan.
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And for those who have been to
Manhattan, it's a lot of cement.
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McShane: The mob families were
all getting a piece
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of every concrete-pouring
contract over $2 million.
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I believe they got 2% of that.
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00:19:47,288 --> 00:19:49,088
That's a lot of money.
405
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,318
Bottom line is, the economy
of Manhattan
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was controlled by the mob.
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00:19:54,688 --> 00:19:57,188
Papa: Sammy Gravano on his own
was making a lot of money
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in the construction industry.
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He actually amassed
many companies,
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and he was friendly with people.
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He would, you know,
befriend somebody.
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They went into
business together.
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Destefano: He was a guy who was,
to some extent,
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reasonable to talk to,
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so he had the best
of both worlds.
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He could be a diplomat.
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He could also be a tough guy
and a killer.
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Gravano: I was making $45,000
a week in cash
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plus these
legitimate businesses.
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So my money was astronomical,
myself.
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I could only imagine what
Paul Castellano were making.
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The money was enormous.
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??
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??
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Welcome back
to "Very Scary People."
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By the mid-1970s,
Sammy Gravano
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became a made man
in La Cosa Nostra
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and pledged loyalty to the
crime family above all else.
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Now he had his own crew,
a team of men who helped him
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carry out
whatever the boss demanded,
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without question or hesitation,
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even if it meant
killing family and friends.
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Sammy would often leave
the actual killing to others,
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but he was the one to plan it
with ruthless precision.
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??
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McShane: In 1980, the head of
the Philadelphia mob,
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Angelo Bruno, who was known
as The Docile Don,
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is executed ... shotgun ...
outside his home.
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00:21:28,398 --> 00:21:32,098
And this sets off
a huge shockwave
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that went all the way up to
the five families in New York.
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Hunter: Philadelphia
splits into two factions.
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00:21:38,899 --> 00:21:43,529
One is Nicky Scarfo,
one of the underbosses,
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and the other
is by Johnny Keys.
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Gabriel: Johnny "Keys" Simone
was a prominent member
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in the Philadelphia family
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that's looking to get
control of the family.
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Hunter: So they're fighting
in Philadelphia
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and Commission, the ruling body
of organized crime,
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decides that Johnny Keys
has to go.
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00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,000
They're going to back
Nicky Scarfo
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as the new boss in Philly.
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Gabriel: So Paul calls Sammy in
and gives him the hit.
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This, for Paul Castellano,
is a high-visibility hit
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because they're taking out
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a significant person
of another family,
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and other bosses know
this is all happening,
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so it can't go wrong.
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So the fact that they give that
to Sammy says something.
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It shows you how much
you respected this guy,
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trusted this guy.
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Hunter: Now, Johnny Keys
is a very smart man,
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longtime mobster,
and very cautious.
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Gabriel: Basically, Paul was
going to have Sammy
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send word down to say,
"Hey, listen.
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Paul's willing to back you.
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He thinks you're the right guy."
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Hunter: He's telling
Johnny Keys that Castellano
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is going to back him
for leadership in Philly.
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That's not the case.
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He's being set up
to be murdered.
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00:22:58,507 --> 00:23:04,707
??
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Sammy's telling Johnny Keys
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that he's going to meet
Castellano,
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but at a place
that Johnny Keys wants to go
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because, that way,
he will be safe.
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So they agree that they can meet
at a country club
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that Johnny Keys belongs to.
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Raab:
Gravano was persuasive enough
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that Johnny Keys agrees
to go into a car with him.
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Hunter: When they get to
the country club,
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Johnny Keys sees
a van running,
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and he makes note
of it the Sammy,
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and that's when Sammy
grabbed him from behind,
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and he was taken
into the van.
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Raab:
Three other hoods jump in.
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They grab Johnny Keys.
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They disarm him.
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Keys knew when he got
picked up what was coming.
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Hunter: They drive him to a
remote corner of Staten Island.
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But they had to wait some time
before they could kill this guy.
491
00:23:56,312 --> 00:23:59,552
McShane: They were waiting like
10 or 12 hours for a phone call
492
00:23:59,646 --> 00:24:01,646
from somebody
to tell them what to do.
493
00:24:01,712 --> 00:24:04,612
Gabriel: So while Sammy and his
crew are waiting for word back,
494
00:24:04,612 --> 00:24:06,112
they kept filling
Johnny Keys' head with,
495
00:24:06,113 --> 00:24:08,853
"Hey, you know what?
There's meetings going on.
496
00:24:08,913 --> 00:24:10,353
The decision
hasn't really been made
497
00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:12,214
with what's gonna
happen to you."
498
00:24:12,214 --> 00:24:16,214
So, Keys knew that he's
probably getting killed,
499
00:24:16,214 --> 00:24:18,554
was hopeful
it wasn't gonna happen,
500
00:24:18,648 --> 00:24:21,848
but Sammy knew all along
it was going to.
501
00:24:21,915 --> 00:24:25,315
But the more he gets to know
Johnny Keys,
502
00:24:25,415 --> 00:24:27,345
the more he likes him.
503
00:24:27,415 --> 00:24:29,945
Gabriel: So the guy,
as an extremely stand-up guy,
504
00:24:30,016 --> 00:24:33,316
very La Cosa Nostra,
and that kind of respect
505
00:24:33,416 --> 00:24:36,046
means more than
anything else in their world.
506
00:24:36,116 --> 00:24:39,546
McShane: In Gravano's view,
he took it like a man.
507
00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:42,120
He took it like a believer
in their life,
508
00:24:42,116 --> 00:24:45,116
and he never whimpered
or whined.
509
00:24:45,217 --> 00:24:46,747
Gabriel:
When Sammy felt comfortable,
510
00:24:46,816 --> 00:24:49,416
he gave the words, "Alright.
It's going to go."
511
00:24:49,518 --> 00:24:56,048
"John, I just ... on the call,
you lost the decision, bro."
512
00:24:56,118 --> 00:24:58,718
I got to take you out.
I'm going to treat you right,
513
00:24:58,817 --> 00:25:00,117
like a man,
right up until the last second.
514
00:25:00,118 --> 00:25:01,948
There'll be no pain.
There'll be no suffering.
515
00:25:02,019 --> 00:25:04,419
I have the utmost respect
for you.
516
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,019
McShane: Gravano just was
so impressed by the way
517
00:25:08,019 --> 00:25:12,719
this guy just accepted his death
and just made two requests.
518
00:25:12,719 --> 00:25:15,919
One was that he could die
with his shoes off
519
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:18,320
because he had always
promised his wife
520
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,920
that that's how he would go.
521
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:23,550
In other words, that he would
presumably live a long life
522
00:25:23,654 --> 00:25:26,324
and die in the comfort
of his home.
523
00:25:26,421 --> 00:25:29,321
And the second was that
he insisted he be killed
524
00:25:29,421 --> 00:25:32,551
by a made man.
525
00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:35,660
And Louie Milito was that man.
526
00:25:35,721 --> 00:25:38,221
Gravano: Louie Milito
with a .357 Magnum,
527
00:25:38,322 --> 00:25:39,922
he hit him in the head.
528
00:25:39,922 --> 00:25:41,822
Everybody gets in the van.
529
00:25:41,822 --> 00:25:43,462
We're all sick.
530
00:25:43,556 --> 00:25:47,256
We killed the epitome
of our life.
531
00:25:47,323 --> 00:25:49,523
Gabriel: Sammy had remorse
after this hit.
532
00:25:49,523 --> 00:25:51,663
Johnny Keys wasn't
a Gambino guy ...
533
00:25:51,723 --> 00:25:53,123
not part of
a Gambino beef, right?
534
00:25:53,223 --> 00:25:56,823
And then spending hours,
literally, with the guy
535
00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:59,623
before they killed him
and seeing how the guy behaved,
536
00:25:59,623 --> 00:26:01,623
the kind of wise guy
he really was,
537
00:26:01,624 --> 00:26:04,524
it bothered Sammy that they had
to take this guy out.
538
00:26:04,525 --> 00:26:07,215
??
539
00:26:07,225 --> 00:26:08,755
These are very,
very dangerous people ...
540
00:26:08,824 --> 00:26:10,134
some of the most
dangerous people
541
00:26:10,225 --> 00:26:12,115
we've ever encountered
in law enforcement.
542
00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:15,755
The FBI really got serious
about cracking down
543
00:26:15,825 --> 00:26:18,225
on the Mafia
in the '70s and '80s.
544
00:26:18,226 --> 00:26:21,826
It was a very aggressive effort
on the part of the FBI
545
00:26:21,927 --> 00:26:24,857
using surveillance techniques,
wiretaps, bugs.
546
00:26:24,927 --> 00:26:28,127
McShane: The FBI decided
to create five squads,
547
00:26:28,127 --> 00:26:30,227
one for each of
the five families,
548
00:26:30,327 --> 00:26:32,327
to follow them
and see what they could do
549
00:26:32,327 --> 00:26:36,957
as far as putting together
prosecutions against them.
550
00:26:37,028 --> 00:26:39,128
The FBI's embrace of technology,
551
00:26:39,228 --> 00:26:42,758
combined with its formation
of these specific squads,
552
00:26:42,827 --> 00:26:46,227
was a real two-fisted shot
at the mob.
553
00:26:46,329 --> 00:26:48,029
Brevetti:
I didn't know the kind of impact
554
00:26:48,129 --> 00:26:50,959
it would have
in Costa Nostra circles.
555
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:52,529
I knew it'd be a problem
for them,
556
00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:55,660
but I didn't realize
how big of a problem it was.
557
00:26:55,728 --> 00:27:00,128
??
558
00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:06,530
??
559
00:27:06,531 --> 00:27:09,961
Gabriel: Sammy had ownership
of a very successful disco
560
00:27:10,031 --> 00:27:12,231
in Brooklyn, and this guy,
Frank Fiala
561
00:27:12,331 --> 00:27:14,131
comes out of nowhere.
562
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,732
He was Eastern European,
a lot of money,
563
00:27:16,831 --> 00:27:18,331
in the drug business.
564
00:27:18,432 --> 00:27:22,872
Frank Fiala had rented out
Sammy's club, The Plaza Suite.
565
00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:24,372
They clash a bit.
566
00:27:24,432 --> 00:27:27,332
Sammy finds the guy to be
a bit of a pain in the neck.
567
00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:31,933
In Sammy's world,
it's respect, right?
568
00:27:31,933 --> 00:27:34,173
And when you don't show
that respect,
569
00:27:34,234 --> 00:27:36,834
that's a very personal affront.
570
00:27:36,832 --> 00:27:40,332
And this guy Fiala
didn't get that or didn't care.
571
00:27:40,334 --> 00:27:43,774
Hunter: Fiala decides he likes
The Plaza Suite so much
572
00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,473
that he wants to buy it.
573
00:27:45,568 --> 00:27:48,438
He offers Sammy
a million bucks for it.
574
00:27:48,535 --> 00:27:50,725
Gabriel:
So they negotiate the deal.
575
00:27:50,734 --> 00:27:53,234
McShane: But Sammy is just
getting more and more aggravated
576
00:27:53,235 --> 00:27:56,335
by this guy,
and, finally ...
577
00:27:56,436 --> 00:27:58,836
this is before
the club has been sold ...
578
00:27:58,936 --> 00:28:03,036
Sammy shows up and Fiala's
sitting in his office.
579
00:28:03,136 --> 00:28:04,566
He's acting like
he owns the place.
580
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:08,239
He's mistreating people,
his feet up on Sammy's desk,
581
00:28:08,237 --> 00:28:11,367
and acting like, "This is mine.
What are you doing here?
582
00:28:11,437 --> 00:28:12,367
Get out."
583
00:28:12,437 --> 00:28:14,567
And this just enrages Sammy.
584
00:28:14,636 --> 00:28:18,136
Not only that,
he opens an attach� case.
585
00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:21,338
Inside the attach� case
is a submachine gun.
586
00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:25,668
Hunter: Fiala starts pointing an
Uzi submachine gun at Gravano.
587
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:28,737
Now, this sends Sammy
through the roof.
588
00:28:28,838 --> 00:28:31,138
Sammy leaves and basically,
at that point,
589
00:28:31,139 --> 00:28:33,739
decided this guy is going.
590
00:28:33,738 --> 00:28:43,538
??
591
00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:46,040
Hunter: Sammy calls out,
"Frank, turn around,"
592
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:48,740
out on the street
outside of The Plaza.
593
00:28:48,740 --> 00:28:51,740
That's when Louie Milito
shoots him once in each eye.
594
00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:53,070
[Gunshots]
595
00:28:53,141 --> 00:28:57,541
And Sammy spits on his body
for good measure.
596
00:28:57,542 --> 00:28:59,282
Reporter: The shooting took
place outside a disco
597
00:28:59,342 --> 00:29:03,142
at 86th Street
and McDonald Avenue in Brooklyn.
598
00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:05,542
McShane:
It was an unsanctioned hit,
599
00:29:05,542 --> 00:29:07,742
which is a violation
of mob policy.
600
00:29:07,741 --> 00:29:09,141
Gabriel: If you're going to kill
somebody,
601
00:29:09,243 --> 00:29:11,743
the boss has got to know
what's happening,
602
00:29:11,742 --> 00:29:14,742
but Sammy never went to the boss
to get permission.
603
00:29:14,742 --> 00:29:18,142
Word kind of gets back to
Paul Castellano what happened,
604
00:29:18,143 --> 00:29:20,983
and Sammy's petrified
because, by rights,
605
00:29:21,044 --> 00:29:22,584
Paul should take him out.
606
00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:27,177
Hunter: But Sammy, ever the
smooth talker and mob politician
607
00:29:27,244 --> 00:29:30,984
that he is,
talks himself out of trouble.
608
00:29:31,045 --> 00:29:34,445
??
609
00:29:34,545 --> 00:29:37,135
Gabriel: So the Gambino family,
from the day Paul Castellano
610
00:29:37,145 --> 00:29:39,835
was given the position of boss,
611
00:29:39,844 --> 00:29:42,584
there were a lot of disgruntled
people.
612
00:29:42,645 --> 00:29:46,045
Paul was considered
a white collar wise guy.
613
00:29:46,046 --> 00:29:49,546
Paul dressed in a suit to go
to work and portray himself
614
00:29:49,547 --> 00:29:50,747
as a businessman.
615
00:29:50,746 --> 00:29:53,676
But Paul was respected because,
as the boss,
616
00:29:53,746 --> 00:29:57,376
he had to be respected,
not because they liked them.
617
00:29:57,447 --> 00:30:02,347
Paul Castellano
was called the Pope.
618
00:30:02,448 --> 00:30:04,778
He had a regal bearing.
619
00:30:04,847 --> 00:30:08,147
He lived in this huge house
on Staten Island.
620
00:30:08,248 --> 00:30:09,778
They called it the White House.
621
00:30:09,847 --> 00:30:12,277
He's got a legitimate business,
the poultry business.
622
00:30:12,349 --> 00:30:14,779
And there's a feeling
among the rank and file
623
00:30:14,848 --> 00:30:17,848
that he's kind of
out of touch with them.
624
00:30:17,949 --> 00:30:21,779
Destefano: He looked down upon
the blue collar members
625
00:30:21,849 --> 00:30:23,079
of the family.
626
00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:25,850
He was above the fray.
627
00:30:25,849 --> 00:30:29,849
Castellano not only was wealthy
from his legitimate businesses,
628
00:30:29,951 --> 00:30:34,151
but also was getting hand over
fist money from the rackets.
629
00:30:34,251 --> 00:30:36,351
Even members of
the other crime families
630
00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:39,451
would complain
about his greediness.
631
00:30:39,551 --> 00:30:42,251
Gabriel: Paul was all about
the money for himself.
632
00:30:42,352 --> 00:30:44,852
So, people weren't satisfied
with that.
633
00:30:44,851 --> 00:30:52,151
??
634
00:30:52,153 --> 00:30:54,553
Mouw: In the summer of 1985,
635
00:30:54,553 --> 00:30:56,953
there's a big dispute
in the Gambino family.
636
00:30:56,953 --> 00:31:01,453
Gabriel: It involved the capo
by the name of John Gotti.
637
00:31:01,454 --> 00:31:04,294
McShane: Castellano, the boss,
suspected Gotti's crew
638
00:31:04,354 --> 00:31:07,454
of dealing narcotics,
particularly heroin trafficking.
639
00:31:07,554 --> 00:31:09,454
With Castellano,
that was supposed to be
640
00:31:09,554 --> 00:31:10,694
a death penalty event
641
00:31:10,753 --> 00:31:13,163
if you were caught
dealing drugs.
642
00:31:13,255 --> 00:31:15,685
Schumacher: That wasn't some
kind of moral decision that,
643
00:31:15,754 --> 00:31:16,954
oh, drugs are wrong.
644
00:31:16,955 --> 00:31:19,185
It was that drugs opened up
645
00:31:19,256 --> 00:31:21,056
the possibility
of getting caught.
646
00:31:21,155 --> 00:31:24,585
Gabriel: John Gotti at this
point was a captain in Queens,
647
00:31:24,689 --> 00:31:27,359
and his buddy,
Angelo Ruggiero,
648
00:31:27,456 --> 00:31:30,586
had taken over
his brother's heroin operations.
649
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:33,390
Though Ruggiero's nickname
was Quack Quack,
650
00:31:33,457 --> 00:31:34,857
and part of the reason
was because
651
00:31:34,957 --> 00:31:36,957
the guy could never shut up.
652
00:31:36,957 --> 00:31:40,757
And the FBI got in,
and they bugged this house,
653
00:31:40,756 --> 00:31:45,386
and all this information
was coming out on the tapes.
654
00:31:45,458 --> 00:31:48,958
I didn't indict John, but I did
indict his crew members.
655
00:31:48,958 --> 00:31:53,058
A portion of the indictment was
regular organized crime stuff,
656
00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:57,159
but, more importantly, a larger
portion of it was narcotics.
657
00:31:57,259 --> 00:31:59,959
And so now they have
a real problem.
658
00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:02,959
McShane: The FBI was able to use
the information gleaned
659
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:05,660
from the Ruggiero bug
660
00:32:05,659 --> 00:32:09,559
to bug Paul Castellano's house
on Staten Island.
661
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,960
And so this is kind of a double
faux pas by the Gotti crew
662
00:32:14,961 --> 00:32:18,691
because, one, one of their guys
has been caught discussing
663
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,190
this business that they are
not allowed to conduct;
664
00:32:22,262 --> 00:32:24,062
and, two,
it allowed the prosecutors
665
00:32:24,062 --> 00:32:27,962
to get inside the house on
Staten Island and bug that too.
666
00:32:27,962 --> 00:32:30,702
Paul had an interest
in those tapes, personally,
667
00:32:30,762 --> 00:32:35,762
because he was being
prosecuted in multiple cases.
668
00:32:35,762 --> 00:32:39,262
Castellano was asking
repeatedly for the tapes,
669
00:32:39,363 --> 00:32:41,263
and if he heard the tapes,
670
00:32:41,363 --> 00:32:42,763
it would have been
perfectly clear
671
00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:45,402
that his orders
had been violated.
672
00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:49,464
Raab: And the one person that
Castellano would go after
673
00:32:49,464 --> 00:32:52,164
and probably kill
was John Gotti.
674
00:32:52,265 --> 00:32:54,755
But, instead, Gotti made
the first move.
675
00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,864
??
676
00:32:57,965 --> 00:33:01,365
Hunter: So they decide that
they're going to take out
677
00:33:01,465 --> 00:33:02,965
Paul Castellano,
678
00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:05,966
but things have to be in place
for this to happen.
679
00:33:06,066 --> 00:33:09,096
Gabriel: John knows, if he tries
to do this by himself,
680
00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:10,296
he's dead.
681
00:33:10,366 --> 00:33:13,566
So John cleverly
understood that,
682
00:33:13,567 --> 00:33:16,667
if there was that much
dissatisfaction in the family
683
00:33:16,666 --> 00:33:19,696
and he can get
the key people,
684
00:33:19,766 --> 00:33:23,796
getting them means you got
a lot less to worry about.
685
00:33:23,867 --> 00:33:28,597
The first person they approach
is Sammy Gravano.
686
00:33:28,701 --> 00:33:29,901
Gabriel: John's a Queens guy,
687
00:33:29,968 --> 00:33:32,068
Sammy is a Brooklyn guy,
Staten Island guy.
688
00:33:32,068 --> 00:33:35,368
These guys don't go that far
outside of their territories.
689
00:33:35,369 --> 00:33:38,169
But Sammy knows
John's reputation.
690
00:33:38,169 --> 00:33:40,499
And Sammy's got a reputation.
691
00:33:40,602 --> 00:33:42,872
McShane: Sammy is known in
the family for two things ...
692
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:45,200
he makes money
and he murders people,
693
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,070
and he's very good at both.
694
00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:48,570
Gabriel:
Sammy was skeptical ...
695
00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:50,970
Why should we risk our lives
for this John Gotti?
696
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:52,470
He's got his problems.
697
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:55,600
We may not be happy,
but Sammy's not stupid.
698
00:33:55,703 --> 00:33:57,873
This is a big chance
we're taking.
699
00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:02,800
You're breaking one of the most
sacred rules, taking out a boss.
700
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:06,610
He said, "Look. I'm going to go
talk to Frank DeCicco."
701
00:34:06,671 --> 00:34:09,011
Papa: Frankie DeCicco was
a good friend of Sammy
702
00:34:09,072 --> 00:34:10,712
and a good friend of Gotti.
703
00:34:10,771 --> 00:34:12,611
Gabriel:
Sammy really respects Frankie,
704
00:34:12,671 --> 00:34:14,871
much more than Paul Castellano.
705
00:34:14,972 --> 00:34:17,472
So if Frankie ever turned
his back on Paul,
706
00:34:17,473 --> 00:34:21,373
Sammy would be like, "Okay.
I'm with you. Forget this guy."
707
00:34:21,373 --> 00:34:28,013
Sammy Gravano, he went to talk
to DeCicco at DeCicco's house.
708
00:34:28,074 --> 00:34:30,314
I said, if we do this,
709
00:34:30,374 --> 00:34:33,874
John doesn't deserve
to be the boss.
710
00:34:33,873 --> 00:34:35,983
I think you should be the boss.
711
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:38,505
??
712
00:34:38,608 --> 00:34:40,408
You deserve it.
713
00:34:40,475 --> 00:34:42,465
You did nothing wrong.
I did nothing wrong.
714
00:34:42,475 --> 00:34:44,175
He did everything wrong.
715
00:34:44,275 --> 00:34:47,175
Gabriel: And Frankie understood
things well.
716
00:34:47,176 --> 00:34:51,006
His retort to Sammy was,
"I can be his number two,
717
00:34:51,076 --> 00:34:52,806
he can never be mine."
718
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:56,405
Understanding that Gotti's ego
could never be number two.
719
00:34:56,477 --> 00:34:57,977
And Frankie was, he says,
720
00:34:57,977 --> 00:34:59,907
"We could accomplish
what we want to accomplish."
721
00:34:59,977 --> 00:35:03,377
Me and you will be the power
behind the throne.
722
00:35:03,377 --> 00:35:05,477
And I give you my word.
723
00:35:05,577 --> 00:35:10,377
If he doesn't pay attention
and act the fool, like he does,
724
00:35:10,478 --> 00:35:12,078
we'll kill him.
725
00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:13,478
The two of them decide
726
00:35:13,578 --> 00:35:15,278
that they're going to
go forward with this.
727
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:18,879
Hunter: Gotti was called to
defer to Sammy in the plotting
728
00:35:18,878 --> 00:35:22,678
because he had done
this sort of work before.
729
00:35:22,678 --> 00:35:25,278
This was an extremely
risky endeavor.
730
00:35:25,379 --> 00:35:29,079
For starters, they hadn't gone
to the Commission,
731
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,310
the ruling body
of organized crime,
732
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,180
to get the okay to hit him.
733
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:36,710
Destefano: It was done in a way
that was outside
734
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:39,280
the rules of organized crime.
735
00:35:39,381 --> 00:35:40,781
That's why it was
a very big deal.
736
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,780
And there were going to be
consequences.
737
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,880
There was going to be
some blow-back.
738
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,720
??
739
00:35:52,282 --> 00:35:56,452
Cardinale: On December 16, 1985,
Paul Castellano,
740
00:35:56,582 --> 00:36:01,582
having left his attorney's
office in midtown Manhattan,
741
00:36:01,583 --> 00:36:04,723
he and Tommy Bilotti,
his driver,
742
00:36:04,782 --> 00:36:09,622
drove to 46th between
First and Second
743
00:36:09,683 --> 00:36:13,623
to a place called
Sparks Steakhouse.
744
00:36:13,683 --> 00:36:15,983
Destefano:
Frank DeCicco told people
745
00:36:16,084 --> 00:36:17,824
where Castellano was going to be
746
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:20,194
at a certain time
on that December day
747
00:36:20,284 --> 00:36:22,484
and who he was going
to have dinner with.
748
00:36:22,485 --> 00:36:24,115
Hunter: Sammy planned it.
749
00:36:24,185 --> 00:36:27,615
He figured that the streets
would be crowded
750
00:36:27,684 --> 00:36:29,094
with Christmas shoppers,
751
00:36:29,186 --> 00:36:34,586
and the chaos would make it
impossible for the police
752
00:36:34,586 --> 00:36:36,776
to get on their tail.
753
00:36:36,785 --> 00:36:38,715
We implemented the plan.
754
00:36:38,785 --> 00:36:41,785
We took 11 people on the hit.
755
00:36:41,886 --> 00:36:45,286
Every one of them
was a real pro.
756
00:36:45,387 --> 00:36:46,717
Many of the shooters
didn't even know
757
00:36:46,786 --> 00:36:48,816
they were there
to kill Paul.
758
00:36:48,886 --> 00:36:50,616
They were just told
we're going to hit somebody.
759
00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:53,216
They're going to come out,
and you're going to shoot.
760
00:36:53,288 --> 00:36:56,218
It was a very tightly-held
conspiracy, no doubt.
761
00:36:56,288 --> 00:36:59,288
There was a great attention
to detail.
762
00:36:59,388 --> 00:37:02,718
The four shooters all wore
matching trench coats
763
00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:04,988
and Russian fur hats.
764
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:07,619
So if anybody was going to
try to be identified,
765
00:37:07,722 --> 00:37:11,092
there are about four of them
that dressed the same.
766
00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:16,190
Sammy was sort of like the floor
manager for the assassination.
767
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:17,790
Hunter: Sammy watched
the whole thing go down
768
00:37:17,789 --> 00:37:21,289
from a Lincoln Continental
across the street from Sparks.
769
00:37:21,358 --> 00:37:24,088
Destefano: He was there in a car
with John Gotti.
770
00:37:24,191 --> 00:37:28,121
He tipped off the assassins
at the very moment
771
00:37:28,191 --> 00:37:32,131
that Castellano pulled up
to the restaurant.
772
00:37:32,192 --> 00:37:34,892
I tell the team
"The light just turned green.
773
00:37:34,992 --> 00:37:37,292
The first car out is them.
774
00:37:37,392 --> 00:37:40,892
They're going to pull right
in front of Sparks.
775
00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:43,892
Get ready."
776
00:37:43,892 --> 00:37:45,192
Destefano:
If anybody got in the way,
777
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:47,193
they were prepared
to start shooting people.
778
00:37:47,193 --> 00:37:49,293
??
779
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,290
Hunter: The guys came up wearing
their Russian fur hats
780
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,490
and their white trench coats,
and bang, bang, bang.
781
00:37:55,594 --> 00:37:57,494
[Gunfire]
782
00:37:57,494 --> 00:38:00,894
Papa: I don't think
Paul Castellano even made it
783
00:38:00,893 --> 00:38:04,633
to stepping up to the curb
onto the sidewalk.
784
00:38:04,694 --> 00:38:06,004
??
785
00:38:06,095 --> 00:38:09,225
...This evening,
right at this location,
786
00:38:09,295 --> 00:38:12,885
two people
were shot numerous times.
787
00:38:12,996 --> 00:38:14,396
Tentative identification is that
788
00:38:14,496 --> 00:38:19,126
it's Paul Castellano
and Tom Bilotti.
789
00:38:19,196 --> 00:38:21,226
Reporter: Mafia kingpin
"Big" Paul Castellano
790
00:38:21,296 --> 00:38:24,456
was gunned down gangland style
in midtown Manhattan.
791
00:38:24,464 --> 00:38:26,504
The 70-year-old reputed head
of the largest
792
00:38:26,497 --> 00:38:28,727
and most powerful crime family
in the country
793
00:38:28,796 --> 00:38:32,456
was killed along with his driver
and friend, Thomas Bilotti.
794
00:38:32,465 --> 00:38:34,595
McShane: It really went off
without a hitch.
795
00:38:34,598 --> 00:38:37,798
They got out before anybody
really knew what had happened.
796
00:38:37,797 --> 00:38:41,197
Papa: Amidst the chaos,
they were going to disappear,
797
00:38:41,298 --> 00:38:42,828
and that's exactly
what happened.
798
00:38:42,897 --> 00:38:45,497
After the shooting, the three
men, dressed in trench coats
799
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,029
and hats, made their way
through the rush hour crowd
800
00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:49,499
to the end of the block.
801
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,529
There, a dark automobile
met them, and they sped off.
802
00:38:52,633 --> 00:38:55,733
A movie script couldn't have
been written better,
803
00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:57,929
and it was mind boggling.
804
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,400
It was shocking.
805
00:38:59,467 --> 00:39:02,497
It was how did this happen?
Who did it?
806
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,100
Who was behind it?
807
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,900
Man:
Where were they hit?
808
00:39:06,001 --> 00:39:09,001
They were hit in the head
and in the body.
809
00:39:09,001 --> 00:39:12,631
??
810
00:39:12,735 --> 00:39:14,995
Destefano: The murder of
Castellano and his driver,
811
00:39:15,102 --> 00:39:18,902
Tommy Bilotti, was one of
the signature moments
812
00:39:19,002 --> 00:39:21,042
in the history
of organized crime.
813
00:39:21,103 --> 00:39:24,803
Hunter: The media reaction
to Christmas hit
814
00:39:24,901 --> 00:39:27,901
on Paul Castellano
was spectacular.
815
00:39:28,003 --> 00:39:31,303
It was front page
in the papers for days.
816
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:33,940
??
817
00:39:34,004 --> 00:39:36,504
Everybody was taken off guard
by this.
818
00:39:36,604 --> 00:39:39,204
The Mafia has a flair
for the dramatic,
819
00:39:39,204 --> 00:39:42,044
and this certainly was dramatic.
820
00:39:42,105 --> 00:39:44,535
You're now thinking,
"This is war.
821
00:39:44,637 --> 00:39:48,037
There are going to be
other people that will be dead.
822
00:39:48,105 --> 00:39:51,005
There will be other prices
to pay."
823
00:39:51,105 --> 00:39:52,635
Gabriel: We were expecting
a shooting war
824
00:39:52,738 --> 00:39:54,198
right after the hit,
825
00:39:54,205 --> 00:39:56,735
thinking the Frankie DeCiccos
and the Sammy Gravanos
826
00:39:56,805 --> 00:39:59,605
are going to be looking
for whoever the heck did this.
827
00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:02,906
Hunter:
Even to the FBI, Sammy was,
828
00:40:03,006 --> 00:40:05,106
you know, a figure
on the peripheral.
829
00:40:05,107 --> 00:40:08,637
They didn't understand
how much respect, power,
830
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,540
or juice he actually had.
831
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,510
So he had done a very good job
his whole life,
832
00:40:15,608 --> 00:40:16,708
playing it quiet,
833
00:40:16,707 --> 00:40:19,637
which is very much
according to the rules.
834
00:40:19,741 --> 00:40:24,311
That is how you're supposed
to live your life as a gangster.
835
00:40:24,409 --> 00:40:29,379
??
836
00:40:29,376 --> 00:40:31,736
Papa: Sammy Gravano
moved up the ranks.
837
00:40:31,808 --> 00:40:35,408
He became a member of the inner
sanctum of the family.
838
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:39,380
Raab: Gravano thought
Gotti was such an egomaniac.
839
00:40:39,377 --> 00:40:41,377
He was attracting
so much attention.
840
00:40:41,377 --> 00:40:44,307
He's waving red flags
screaming,
841
00:40:44,377 --> 00:40:46,137
"Catch me, catch me, catch me."
842
00:40:46,211 --> 00:40:49,041
And that's eventually
what they did.
843
00:40:49,111 --> 00:40:51,611
Reporter:
This night, federal FBI agents
844
00:40:51,611 --> 00:40:55,551
arrested the leadership
of the Gambino crime family.
845
00:40:55,645 --> 00:40:59,945
Sammy knew that Gotti was
going to be asking him
846
00:41:00,012 --> 00:41:02,012
to take the fall
for John Gotti.
847
00:41:02,012 --> 00:41:03,752
He saw the writing on the wall.
848
00:41:03,812 --> 00:41:05,152
Now there's bad blood.
849
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:07,413
Reporter:
But it is Gravano who is poised
850
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,510
to have the last laugh
at Gotti's expense.
851
00:41:10,613 --> 00:41:11,913
He betrayed everybody.
852
00:41:11,912 --> 00:41:14,382
We didn't know how many murders
he was responsible for
853
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:16,650
till he told us.
854
00:41:16,746 --> 00:41:21,146
Everybody sat in that courtroom
holding their breath.
855
00:41:21,214 --> 00:41:23,054
Colucci: To get John Gotti,
they had to make a deal
856
00:41:23,114 --> 00:41:24,754
with the devil.
857
00:41:24,814 --> 00:41:26,114
I couldn't believe it.
858
00:41:26,114 --> 00:41:27,854
I still can't believe it.
859
00:41:27,913 --> 00:41:31,513
??
860
00:41:31,515 --> 00:41:33,705
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
had participated
861
00:41:33,714 --> 00:41:36,714
in at least eight murders
by the time Paul Castellano
862
00:41:36,715 --> 00:41:39,905
and Tommy Bilotti
were gunned down in Manhattan.
863
00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:41,315
While the FBI knew
he was a member
864
00:41:41,383 --> 00:41:43,223
of the Gambino crime family,
865
00:41:43,316 --> 00:41:45,616
they had no idea
how lethal he was.
866
00:41:45,616 --> 00:41:48,516
Sammy continued to operate
in the shadows,
867
00:41:48,516 --> 00:41:51,416
but it wouldn't be long before
history would know his name,
868
00:41:51,517 --> 00:41:55,647
and the Mafia as we know it
would never be the same,
869
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:58,750
in Part 2 of "Sammy the Bull."
870
00:41:58,816 --> 00:42:00,046
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
871
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,718
Thanks for watching.
872
00:42:01,717 --> 00:42:03,647
Good night.
873
00:42:03,697 --> 00:42:08,247
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