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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,999 ?? 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,999 Gardner: There was a series of unexplained deaths 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,999 on wards where he worked. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,999 Man: When he came out of this patient's room, 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,999 the patient was dead. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,999 Fischer: He was telling us 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,999 that there was a doctor that went by his room 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,999 every single night, pushing a cart 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,999 and pointing at him, saying, "You're next." 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:34,999 ?? 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:42,999 ?? 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:50,999 ?? 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,999 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,999 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,999 Michael Swango ... former Marine, 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,999 award-winning scholar, trusted physician. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,999 On the surface, he seemed like a hero, 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,999 but there was nothing heroic about Dr. Swango. 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,999 He was, in fact, a dangerous killer, 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,999 obsessed with poison and death. 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,999 He reveled in human suffering. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,999 Dr. Swango's murder spree spanned nearly two decades. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,999 How did this healer-turned-serial killer 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,999 get away with this for so long? 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,999 Here's part two of "Dr. Death: You're Next." 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,999 ?? 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,999 Michael Swango, he just looks like the kind of guy 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,999 you would want to be your doctor. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,999 I have tried my utmost to be the best person 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,999 and the best physician I can be, and that's all anyone can do. 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,999 He was a very polite, good-looking young man 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,999 who was very articulate, a former Marine, 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,999 and there was nothing that was not glowing about him. 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Reporter: But people think Swango may 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,999 be using his brilliant mind 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,999 and medical skills to play with people's lives. 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 This was a person who should not be 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,999 licensed to practice medicine. 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,999 Lower: Michael Swango was a convicted felon. 40 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,000 He had poisoned his co-workers as an EMT in Quincy, Illinois. 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,999 I'm not thinking that that doughnut that I'm eating 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,999 is laced with poison. 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,999 Nobody thinks that the cup with soda 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,999 is gonna be injected with arsenic. 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,999 That's what makes him so dangerous. 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,999 He was trying to kill me. 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,999 You had this trail ... this trail of death 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,999 and illness under suspicious causes 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,999 that were attached to this doctor. 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,500 When he was in medical school, 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,999 his fellow students referred to him 52 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,999 as "Double-O Swango ... License to kill." 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 He had the highest death rate 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,999 of any of the interns down there. 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,999 Lower: Swango was dismissed 56 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,999 from the surgical residency program 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,999 at the Ohio State University hospitals. 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,999 Nurses are all afraid to be around him. 59 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,999 They sense something is wrong with this man. 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,999 Lower: According to reports, 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,999 Swango was suspected of killing at least one patient there. 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,999 Montanari: Cindy McGee was a 19-year-old gymnast. 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,999 She was in a trauma unit. 64 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,999 But we could see she was getting better. 65 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Sackman: She's actually improving 66 00:03:13,801 --> 00:03:15,999 until she gets a visit from Michael Swango. 67 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,999 Then she dies unexpectedly. 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,999 There may have been some warning signs, 69 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,000 but they really didn't add up those things at the time. 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Some doctor was poisoning people. 71 00:03:29,001 --> 00:03:30,999 This was a murderer. 72 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,999 [Flatline] 73 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,999 Jordan: After serving two years of his five-year sentence 74 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,999 for poisoning his colleagues, 75 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,999 Dr. Michael Swango is released from Centralia Prison 76 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,999 in August of 1987. 77 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,999 After he got out, I didn't know whether he would be coming after 78 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,050 for revenge or not. 79 00:03:49,051 --> 00:03:51,999 The news-media outlets were somewhat concerned, 80 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,999 because we knew we were portraying him, 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,999 you know, in a not-good light. 82 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,999 But I don't think the general public had any real concern 83 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,999 'cause he was not on anybody's radar. 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Back then, you didn't have a 24-hour news cycle, 85 00:04:03,401 --> 00:04:04,999 and this would've stayed a local story 86 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,999 and people outside that region would not know who he was. 87 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,999 And he used that to his advantage 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,999 because he still wanted to practice medicine, 89 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,999 and he still wanted to kill people. 90 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,999 And that's exactly what he did. 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:25,000 ?? 92 00:04:25,001 --> 00:04:27,999 Lower: Michael Swango has been a first-year resident, 93 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,999 a student doctor, in Sioux Falls for the past five months. 94 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,999 He worked in all three hospitals here, 95 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,999 but it wasn't until this story aired on the "Justice Files," 96 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 that people began worrying about Dr. Swango. 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,999 We got a tip from someone who worked at one of the hospitals. 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,999 This person recognized him on a show 99 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,999 she had watched the night before. 100 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,999 It was called "Justice Files." 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,999 It talked about how he had poisoned his co-workers, 102 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,999 and she was like, "What in the world is this guy 103 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,999 doing in our medical residency program and treating patients? 104 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,999 This guy could be dangerous." 105 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,999 Jordan: The story on the Discovery Channel series 106 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,999 "Justice Files" was actually a repeat. 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,999 It had originally aired on ABC's "20/20" 108 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,999 on February 13, 1986. 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,999 While Dr. Michael Swango was in prison 110 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,999 for poisoning his colleagues, 111 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,999 he sat down for an interview with John Stossel. 112 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,999 Stossel: We got permission from the prison in Illinois 113 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,999 to interview him, and he was very convincing. 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,999 I'm not guilty. I didn't do those things. 115 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,999 In that ABC News program, "20/20," 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,999 Dr. Michael Swango had an answer for everything. 117 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,999 I would say, "Well, what about the ant poison?" 118 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,080 "I had an ant problem." 119 00:05:46,081 --> 00:05:47,999 I don't know anything about ants. 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,999 All I know is I had an ant problem, 121 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,999 and I took care of it as best I could. 122 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,999 "What about all these other poisons?" 123 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,999 "Oh, if you looked in any suburban home, 124 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:56,999 you'd find lots of things 125 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,999 that the lawyers could spin as a poison." 126 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,999 Okay. Started to wonder. 127 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,999 You hear of the horrendous things that he's accused of 128 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 and that he's been found guilty of. 129 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:09,999 And, you know, you just think, 130 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,999 "Well, this has to be some kind of a monster," 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,999 but that's not how he comes across. 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,999 Wipf: The crime did not fit the person in front of you. 133 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 When the report came on 134 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,999 and they put a picture up of Mike 135 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,999 and said that he was accused of poisoning his co-workers, 136 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,999 you could've knocked me over with a feather 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,999 because I couldn't believe it. 138 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,999 Jordan: The staff at all three medical centers 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,280 where Dr. Michael Swango worked were shocked, 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,340 but no one was more surprised than his fianc�e, 141 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,999 a nurse named Kristin Kinney, also known as K.K. 142 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,999 Wipf: K.K. worked with us, and she also didn't believe it. 143 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,999 She just said, "Not the Mike I know." 144 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,999 I thought he was guilty going in, 145 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 and then during the interview, I had doubts. 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,999 And by the end of it, I was thinking, 147 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,999 "Maybe he didn't do it." 148 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:15,000 ?? 149 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,999 ?? 150 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,999 Lower: Dr. Michael Swango's future 151 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,999 in the internal medicine residency program 152 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,999 here in Sioux Falls is uncertain 153 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,999 after the Discovery Channel aired a program 154 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,999 on Swango's conviction for poisoning paramedics. 155 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,999 Now, I didn't think that you could spend time in jail 156 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,999 for poisoning people and come out and be a physician, 157 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,999 but, boy, I was wrong, because that's exactly what he did. 158 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,999 Lower: This is a common scene 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,999 at all three Sioux Falls hospitals, 160 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,380 employees reviewing files ... 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,999 files of patients who were treated by Dr. Michael Swango. 162 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,999 The hospitals did their own investigations. 163 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,999 And what they told me is that they looked at every case 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,999 that he had anything to do with. 165 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,999 And a review of all the patients did ultimately conclude 166 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,380 that he had had nothing to do 167 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,999 with anything that had happened here. 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,999 But the fear with Swango was high. 169 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:16,999 We didn't know at the time 170 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 if he was a danger to anybody but a patient. 171 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,999 Wipf: We had had a Christmas party. 172 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,999 The party was at one of our nurses' house, 173 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,999 and her husband was a detective on the police force. 174 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,000 And so he literally followed Mike everywhere he went 175 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,999 to make sure that he wasn't putting anything 176 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,999 in any of the food or whatever. 177 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,999 All of us were pretty okay with that. 178 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,999 Reporter #1: Dr. Michael Swango is suspended 179 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,999 from working in the Sioux Falls hospitals 180 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,999 because he lied about his past. 181 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Governor George Mickelson wants Swango fired immediately. 182 00:08:56,001 --> 00:08:57,999 He wants to know the whole story 183 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,999 of how Dr. Swango ended up here. 184 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,999 Lower: We talked to the admissions' director 185 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,999 from the University of South Dakota medical school, 186 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,999 and that was really kind of enlightening 187 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,999 because Swango did put down that he had a felony, 188 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,999 but he explained it away by saying, 189 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,999 "Well, it was a misunderstanding." 190 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,999 Jordan: Swango did admit that he was in prison. 191 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 He just didn't tell the truth about why he had been there. 192 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,999 He lied. He said he was in a bar fight. 193 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,999 McCarthy: He had the story about him 194 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,999 coming to some woman's aid in a bar/restaurant 195 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,999 when she was being harassed by some other people 196 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,999 and getting into a fist fight and he hurt people. 197 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,999 I ended up ultimately talking to the head of the department 198 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,999 at the University of South Dakota, 199 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,999 and he was kind of astonished to learn 200 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,000 that Michael Swango had been convicted 201 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,999 of administering a toxic substance. 202 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,999 Salem: I was not aware of the full facts 203 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,999 or the full circumstances surrounding his situation. 204 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,999 I think he just talked his way into these places. 205 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,999 And people would believe him because he was believable. 206 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,999 The whistle was blown, and they kicked him out. 207 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,999 I want to clearly acknowledge that we made a mistake 208 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,999 in admitting this person into our program. 209 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,999 He wanted to do an interview with me on camera 210 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,999 just to try to convince people that he was innocent. 211 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,999 Michael Swango says he should be allowed 212 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,999 to stay in the residency program because he did nothing wrong. 213 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,999 We discussed fully what the implications were 214 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,999 of coming into the program, 215 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,999 the possibility of completing three years 216 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,200 and then being licensed. 217 00:10:36,201 --> 00:10:37,999 It was certainly something that I deserved 218 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,999 to have the chance to do. 219 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,999 When it got toward the end of this whole investigation, 220 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,999 he was talking to everybody about everything, 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,999 anything, you know, just to try to convince people 222 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,999 that he was, you know, innocent. 223 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,999 Jordan: Despite his claims of innocence, 224 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,220 Dr. Michael Swango was officially dismissed 225 00:10:56,221 --> 00:10:58,999 from the medical-school program in South Dakota, 226 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 and in the spring of 1993 he and his fianc�e, 227 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,999 Kristin Kinney, left town. 228 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,999 When they went into his house after he was gone, 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,999 it was full of poisons. 230 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,999 And after he left Sioux Falls, 231 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,999 supposedly the behavior really did not change. 232 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,999 It was like he skirted right under the law. 233 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,999 ?? 234 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,999 ?? 235 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,999 My father's name was Thomas Sammarco. 236 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,999 He was in the Army ... World War II. 237 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,999 My father was confined to a wheelchair 238 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 from an accident at work, but he went into the V.A. 239 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,999 for his checkups and stuff like that. 240 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 He was there for an examination. 241 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,999 He was fairly healthy, and then all of a sudden, 242 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,999 he got sick when he was there, and the nurse had told us 243 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,999 that he had a staph infection in the brain. 244 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,999 And they put him in ICU. 245 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,999 [Monitor beeping] 246 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,999 Every time we went up to visit him, 247 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,999 he was telling us that there was a doctor 248 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 that went by his room every single night, 249 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,999 pushing a cart and pointing at him, 250 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,999 saying, "You're next." 251 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,999 He was just a young, nice-looking doctor 252 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,999 who we now know is Michael Swango. 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:36,000 ?? 254 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,999 Michael Swango's story was out. 255 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,999 Reporter #2: The twisted odyssey of Dr. Swango begins in 1982 256 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,999 with mysterious deaths in medical school. 257 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,999 Yet he advances to prestigious Ohio State, 258 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,999 where he's linked to more deaths. 259 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,999 He moves on to Quincy, Illinois, where he is convicted and jailed 260 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,999 for poisoning co-workers with arsenic. 261 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,999 Yet in 1992, he's practicing medicine again in South Dakota. 262 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,999 A year later, he's on Long Island. 263 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,999 Jordan: And it followed him to New York, 264 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,999 where he was now practicing medicine. 265 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,999 How does this happen? 266 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 How does he keep getting into these places? 267 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,999 Sackman: I got a call from the chief of psychiatry 268 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,999 at the Northport V.A. Medical Center, 269 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,999 and she said, "You know, Bruce, you're not gonna believe this, 270 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,999 but there's actually a physician here, 271 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,999 working here at the V.A., 272 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,999 and he's suspected of killing people." 273 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,999 It seemed impossible to me, 274 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,999 but you don't know until you check it out. 275 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,999 Maybe there's something there. 276 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:41,999 Maybe there's not. 277 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Let's take a look, see what's going on. 278 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,999 Sackman: We found Michael Swango, 279 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,999 and let me tell you something, he was the most handsome, 280 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 charming person you'd ever want to meet. 281 00:13:53,001 --> 00:13:54,999 You know, if I didn't know better, 282 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,999 I'd want to introduce him to my daughter. 283 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:57,999 We talked to him briefly. 284 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,999 Sackman: We said, "You know, doctor, 285 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,999 we heard that there's some story 286 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,999 in the news about you actually poisoning people. 287 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,999 Is that true?" And he says, "Oh, no, no, no. 288 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,999 This was all just a big misunderstanding." 289 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,100 And I said, "Well, thank you very much, Doc. 290 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,999 You know, I really appreciate that, 291 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,999 but could we just take a look around your room?" 292 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,999 And that's when his attitude completely changed. 293 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,999 And then he said, "No, you can't, 294 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,999 and this interview is over." 295 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,999 Just the way his eyes were ... 296 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,999 uncomfortably sneaky-looking, sinister. 297 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,999 And Tom and I are looking at each other. 298 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,999 Something's not right here. 299 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,999 The decision was made . .. get him out of the hospital. 300 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:40,999 Get him out. 301 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,999 Sackman: And then the next thing you know, 302 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,999 a few days later, Michael Swango's gone. 303 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Don't know where he is. 304 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,999 So the FBI typically doesn't work murder cases, 305 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,999 but in this instance, 306 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,999 because it involved a V.A. hospital, 307 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,999 the property belongs to the United States government, 308 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 then it automatically falls under FBI jurisdiction. 309 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,999 Jordan: The FBI tracked him to Atlanta, Georgia, 310 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,999 before the trail went cold. 311 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,999 Neer: And he was working for, in my understanding, 312 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,999 it was a water-treatment facility, 313 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,999 which was quite alarming. 314 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,380 By this time, we had learned 315 00:15:14,381 --> 00:15:15,999 that he had an intense interest in poisoning, 316 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,999 that he had previously been arrested 317 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,999 for poisoning co-workers, 318 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,999 and that he was suspected of poisoning 319 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,999 and killing patients in several hospitals. 320 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,999 Anybody with that history 321 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,999 would look upon a water-treatment facility as, 322 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,999 in our estimation, a potential opportunity. 323 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,999 McCarthy: Then they went looking for him, and he was gone. 324 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,999 Neer: He disappeared. 325 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,999 And then we lost track of him. 326 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,999 McCarthy: At that point, he's a fugitive. 327 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,999 We consulted with the BAU, the behavioral science unit. 328 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,999 And they were of the opinion that this offender 329 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,999 would still be in the medical field somewhere. 330 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,999 He's going to be using some of those skills, 331 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 and he's going to be killing people. 332 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,999 So we started really doing a pretty robust investigation 333 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,999 of his time at the V.A. hospital 334 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,999 in Northport on Long Island. 335 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,999 By that time, we didn't have any evidence 336 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,999 that he actually had harmed anybody 337 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,999 at the Northport V.A. Medical Center. 338 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,999 But they did know he was guilty of something. 339 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,820 Gardner: They weren't sure about the suspicious deaths. 340 00:16:21,821 --> 00:16:23,999 They were sure that he had lied about his background. 341 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,999 He lied about the fact that he had qualified as a physician. 342 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,999 He graduated from medical school, 343 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,999 but he hadn't become licensed in any way, 344 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,999 and he lied about that. 345 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,999 He still needed to complete his residency. 346 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,999 Gardner: He also lied about an assault conviction. 347 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,999 He said it was a fight in a bar. 348 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,999 Jordan: Swango then took it one step further, 349 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,999 creating falsified documents 350 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,999 that appeared to absolve him of all these charges. 351 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,460 I've got a document in my briefcase that he forged. 352 00:16:53,461 --> 00:16:54,999 It was from the Illinois Department of Corrections, 353 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,460 and it said he was in there on aggravated battery, 354 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,999 but it said that he hit someone with his fist. 355 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,999 Didn't say anything about poisoning. 356 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,999 Cashman: He forged a letter 357 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,999 saying he had his sentence commuted 358 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,999 and his civil rights restored by the governor of Virginia, 359 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,999 which I thought was kind of interesting, 360 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,999 how the governor of Virginia could do that 361 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,999 since it was an Illinois case, 362 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,999 but he did a lot of things like that, 363 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,999 and they bought it all the time. 364 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,999 Jordan: Swango's lying wasn't just bad judgment. 365 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,999 If you lie on a federal job application, 366 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,999 it's actually a felony punishable by time in prison. 367 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,999 Gardner: There was a flat- out lie to a federal agent, 368 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,999 who in this case was the head doctor 369 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,999 at the hospital where he was interviewed. 370 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,999 If you lie on your application, 371 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,999 that's a false statement to the government. 372 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,999 Something we call 18 U.S.C. 1001, 373 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,999 a false statement charge. 374 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,999 It's, like, one of the mildest felonies we charge people with, 375 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,999 but that would be something we could at least capture him with, 376 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:56,999 and we knew he was much more dangerous than that. 377 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,999 The government had an abundance of concern 378 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,999 that he would continue to poison people, 379 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,999 continue to murder people. 380 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,999 The concern was, "Get him off the street 381 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,999 as quickly as possible with what we have." 382 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,999 Gardner: We indicted him for perjury, and we filed a warrant, 383 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,999 and the warrant gets filed not only in the United States 384 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,999 but internationally. 385 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:17,999 "If you see this guy, arrest him." 386 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,100 So that's the best we could do at that point. 387 00:18:20,101 --> 00:18:21,999 Gagliano: But four more years would transpire 388 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,999 before there was a break in this case 389 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,999 that pointed them in the right direction 390 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,999 of where Michael Swango was. 391 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:38,000 ?? 392 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,999 ?? 393 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,999 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 394 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,999 In 1993, Dr. Michael Swango, a prolific poisoner 395 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,999 and suspected serial killer, vanished. 396 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,999 Many believed he fled the country. 397 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,999 The FBI and Interpol launched an international manhunt, 398 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,000 but after more than four years, his trail had gone cold. 399 00:19:05,001 --> 00:19:07,999 Then authorities got the break they needed 400 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,999 when Michael Swango tried 401 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 to sneak back into the United States. 402 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,999 I got a call from an FBI agent saying, 403 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,999 "Do you know a person by the name of Mike Swango?" 404 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,999 My heart sank because I thought, "Oh, God. What's going on?" 405 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,999 I said, "Yeah, that's my case." 406 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,000 He says, "Well, we have him here in Chicago." 407 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,999 ?? 408 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,999 Neer: Michael Swango was coming back into the United States. 409 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 He comes into Chicago, and you have to present your passport, 410 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,999 and the passport officials scan it. 411 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 And then all of a sudden, what popped up ... 412 00:19:53,001 --> 00:19:54,999 There's a warrant for his arrest. 413 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,999 We had an arrest warrant for him ready for fraud, 414 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,999 not for murder, and we grabbed him on that. 415 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,999 And they detained him, and they took him back to New York. 416 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,999 Reporter #3: Today, Swango was arraigned 417 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,999 on a federal fraud charge 418 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,999 in connection with lies he allegedly made 419 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,999 to get hired as a resident in 1993. 420 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,999 I got all the evidence that he was traveling with 421 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,999 when he was arrested and all of his travel documents. 422 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,999 And he had a really interesting passport. 423 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,999 Neer: Now, what we learned by looking at his passport 424 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,999 was that he had been in Africa. 425 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,999 So it turned out that when he left Northport, 426 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,999 he eventually found his way to Zimbabwe. 427 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,000 So now we're gonna have to look at what happened in Zimbabwe. 428 00:20:41,421 --> 00:20:45,999 Jordan: They put together a team of investigators, 429 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,999 and they hoped that Africa would be able to offer them 430 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,999 the clues that would help them build their case. 431 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,999 McCarthy: We had to get to Africa. 432 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,999 We thought if he got sloppy anywhere, 433 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,999 if he was willing to take a chance, 434 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,999 it would be over there. 435 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,999 Maybe he's done something in Africa that can help inform us 436 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,999 about what these murders were about here in the United States. 437 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:13,000 ?? 438 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:22,999 ?? 439 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,999 Dongozi: Zimbabwe is the most beautiful country in the world. 440 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,999 I'm not ashamed to say that. 441 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,999 It's a world of wonders. 442 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,999 Neer: It's a beautiful country. 443 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,999 It was my first time in Africa, when I traveled over there. 444 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,999 Valery: At that particular time, 445 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,999 Zimbabwe was in the middle of the AIDS epidemic. 446 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,999 There was a shortage of doctors in Zimbabwe, 447 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,999 and there were many foreign doctors 448 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 who came to practice because of the shortage. 449 00:21:53,861 --> 00:21:55,999 Neer: Michael had come 450 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,999 through the Evangelical Lutheran Church, 451 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,999 and there was a pathway for bringing foreign doctors over. 452 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,999 McCarthy: When he got to Africa, 453 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,999 people at the hospital asked him, 454 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,999 "With your background, why are you coming here?" 455 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,999 And he would tell them, "Well, I've been so blessed, 456 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,999 I think it's time I gave back," 457 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,999 and people were dying to hear that and believe it. 458 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,999 Swango was assigned to the Mnene Mission Hospital. 459 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,999 The people he treated were mostly obstetric patients 460 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,999 who were delivering babies. 461 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,999 Neer: Within a short period of time, 462 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,999 the staff realized that he was deficient 463 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,280 in some of the most basic medical procedures, 464 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,260 certainly in obstetrics. 465 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,999 And so that was the first sign of potential trouble. 466 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,999 Gardner: We learned he also might be connected 467 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,999 to some suspicious deaths that occurred at the hospital 468 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,800 during the time that he worked there. 469 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,999 Jordan: The U.S. team included 470 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,999 forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, 471 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,999 and he was looking for poison 472 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,999 in several of Swango's possible victims. 473 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,999 We had hired local grave diggers, 474 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,999 and we would transport the bodies back to Bulawayo, 475 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,999 where Dr. Michael Baden would do autopsies and take samples. 476 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,999 We also were able to actually talk to a live witness. 477 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,999 And there were two or three cases where there were people 478 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,999 who experienced some sort of intense pain 479 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,999 right after he injected him with something. 480 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,999 Gardner: There was this rush of adrenaline to the point where 481 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,999 they thought they were gonna have a heart attack and die, 482 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,999 and this elderly gentleman that I spoke to in Zimbabwe 483 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,999 said exactly that. 484 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,880 He said, "I thought I was gonna have a heart attack and die." 485 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,999 Other survivors shared terrifying tales. 486 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 And one of them was a pregnant woman. 487 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,999 Neer: And Swango injected something into her I.V. bag. 488 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,999 And then she felt this intense shooting of pain 489 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,999 through her body 490 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,999 and then this rigidity and she could barely move. 491 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,999 But she caught the attention of some staff. 492 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,999 And she said, "He put something in my I.V." 493 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:51,999 We believe it was probably succinylcholine. 494 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,999 Holstege: Succinylcholine ... it is a paralytic. 495 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,999 This causes every muscle in the body to stop working. 496 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,999 You can't move anything. 497 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,999 They're completely cognizant during that time period. 498 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,999 They know exactly what's going on. 499 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,999 And then they also realize they can't breathe. 500 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,999 A terrifying experience. 501 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,999 McCarthy: The nurse took the I.V. bag down, 502 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,999 threw it out, started another one, 503 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,999 and basically saved those two lives, the baby and the mom. 504 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,999 And at that point, there was an investigation, 505 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,999 and he was suspended from working in the hospital. 506 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,999 And he hired an attorney to fight his suspension 507 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,999 from the hospital. 508 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,999 Coltart: I then started representing him 509 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,999 and seeing these bizarre allegations leveled against him. 510 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,999 I then said to him, 511 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,999 "Well, I need to see your professional qualifications 512 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 to prove that you are a competent doctor," 513 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,999 and that was never forthcoming. 514 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,999 And I kept asking him, and he gave a variety of excuses 515 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,999 to such an extent that, 516 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,999 by the time we got to the labor hearing, 517 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,000 I was starting to question the veracity of what he was saying. 518 00:25:59,001 --> 00:26:01,999 Jordan: The FBI learned that, during the two years 519 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,999 that Dr. Michael Swango lived in Africa, 520 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,999 he not only worked for, but also volunteered at 521 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,999 several hospitals throughout Zimbabwe, 522 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,999 and the alleged misdeeds were not 523 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,999 just happening inside hospital walls. 524 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,999 Neer: Here's a guy who has been poisoning people 525 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,999 around the United States and now in Africa. 526 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,999 McCarthy: He showed himself to use arsenic in the Quincy case, 527 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,999 so right away, you know that's something 528 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,800 you're always gonna have to look for. 529 00:26:27,801 --> 00:26:28,999 Neer: We found five girlfriends. 530 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,999 We asked them, "You know, when you were with him, 531 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,999 did you ever get sick?" 532 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,999 And one by one they all went, "Wait a minute. Oh, my God." 533 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,999 And they realized they had the same symptoms 534 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,999 as Brent Unmisig and all these others 535 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,999 that were poisoned with arsenic. 536 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,999 Jordan: At the end of their investigation, 537 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,999 Zimbabwe authorities had uncovered 538 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,999 enough evidence of poisoning 539 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,999 to charge Dr. Michael Swango with five counts of murder. 540 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,999 And at this time, the Africans had put out 541 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,999 to several countries a warning about him 542 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,999 so he couldn't get hired in a hospital. 543 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,999 McCarthy: The word was out. 544 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,999 He had a feeling his time in Africa was done. 545 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,999 Neer: When the border officials came to arrest him, 546 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,999 he literally climbed out a window and escaped. 547 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,999 And the next thing you know, he's on a plane. 548 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,999 This guy knew exactly when to leave. 549 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,999 He returned to the United States. 550 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,999 Neer: 'Cause he wasn't coming back in the United States 551 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,380 to live in the United States. 552 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,999 He was coming back in to get back out. 553 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Turns out, he was on his way to Saudi Arabia. 554 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,999 Valery: He had gotten a job in Saudi Arabia. 555 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,999 And before he could go, he had to have a U.S. visa. 556 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,999 Neer: The requirement was that he could not get 557 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,999 a work visa in another country. 558 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,999 He had to get it in the country where he lived. 559 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,999 If he hadn't returned, I'm not sure what would've happened 560 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,999 in that point in time. 561 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,999 He would've killed more people in Saudi Arabia. 562 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,999 That's what would've happened. I just ... 563 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,999 I think as long as he was in a medical facility, 564 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,999 he was gonna kill people. 565 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,999 ?? 566 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,000 ?? 567 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,999 Jordan: After more than four years as a fugitive, 568 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,999 Dr. Michael Swango is finally captured and arrested 569 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000 on a federal count for perjury. 570 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:26,999 Reporter #4: In 1998, Swango is convicted 571 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,380 of making false statements 572 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,999 in connection with his employment 573 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,440 at the Northport V.A. hospital. 574 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,999 There in New York, he wasn't on trial for the murders. 575 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,999 He pled guilty to the perjury charge. 576 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,999 Neer: Everyone's watched those old movies 577 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,999 about Al Capone as the mobster 578 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,999 who orchestrated the murders of hundreds of people. 579 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,999 And what did they get him on? Income-tax evasion. 580 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,999 It doesn't matter how you get him. You got to get him. 581 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000 The important thing was to keep him incarcerated. 582 00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:57,999 He was convicted, and he got three and a half years 583 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,999 in federal prison. 584 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,999 So the government had a ticking clock 585 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,999 to bring murder charges against him to put him away for life 586 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,999 and had to make the case in that period of time. 587 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,999 We had 36 months to try and prove one homicide 588 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,560 somewhere in the United States. 589 00:29:14,561 --> 00:29:15,999 So that's what we set about to do. 590 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,999 Gardner: I do remember walking out of the courtroom 591 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,999 and turning to the agents and saying to them, 592 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,999 "Okay, let's not lose this guy again." 593 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,999 They know they've got a murderer on their hands. 594 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,999 They just got to be able to come up with the evidence. 595 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,999 ?? 596 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,999 ?? 597 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,999 When you're dealing with poison, it's very, very hard, 598 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,999 because we didn't know if it was there or not. 599 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Dongozi: Michael Swango always described poisoning 600 00:29:50,001 --> 00:29:51,999 as the perfect crime. 601 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,999 "No one will know what they're looking for." 602 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 It's like a needle in a haystack. 603 00:29:56,001 --> 00:29:57,999 It was going to be a difficult case. 604 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,999 It was going to be a difficult case. 605 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,999 Reporter #5: In 1993, Dr. Michael Swango worked 606 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,999 at a veterans' hospital in New York state, 607 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,999 where he had access to every patient. 608 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,999 That made it very difficult for us 609 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,999 because we literally had to review every medical record 610 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,999 of every inpatient at the hospital 611 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,999 at that particular time. 612 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,999 So we assembled this team. 613 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,999 We had Dr. Michael Baden, 614 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,999 we had nurses that are trained in forensics, 615 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,999 and then we had a toxicologist. 616 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,999 His name was Fred Rieders. 617 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,999 And they pored through hundreds and hundreds 618 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,999 and hundreds of files 619 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,999 to determine if these patients expired, 620 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,999 not as a result of their unnatural disease processes, 621 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,999 but unexpectedly. 622 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,999 And these experts narrowed it down to about three patients 623 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,999 that they thought died unexpectedly. 624 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000 It's not in the charts, 625 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,999 but either Swango was there or Swango was in the room 626 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,999 shortly before there was a code called 627 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,999 or he had dialogue with the family. 628 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,999 So Swango would be the last person to go in that room. 629 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,999 He would walk out, and sometimes later the person was dead. 630 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,999 [Monitor flatlines] 631 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,999 The three patients identified at the V. A. hospital 632 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,999 were Thomas Sammarco, 633 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Aldo Serini, and George Siano. 634 00:31:29,001 --> 00:31:30,999 Conroy: My stepdad, 635 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,999 he went to the Korean War when he was like 16. 636 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,999 He didn't speak too much about it. 637 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,999 He wasn't feeling well, 638 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,999 and so they took him to the V.A. hospital, 639 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000 and they found out that he had lymphoma. 640 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,999 We went to visit him, and he was in terrible pain. 641 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,999 We had asked the nurse if there was anything 642 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,999 that they can give him for pain. 643 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,999 And she said, "Let me speak to the doctor." 644 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,999 And that's when I met Dr. Swango, 645 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,999 and he said that he would give him something for pain. 646 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,999 I never asked him what it was. 647 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,999 [Rings] 648 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000 And then I got the phone call that he had passed. 649 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,999 We never even thought of having an autopsy. 650 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,999 The problem was, those are complex cases 651 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,999 that take a lot of time, 652 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,999 and so there's a lot of things that have to be proven. 653 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,999 And the time was ticking away. 654 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,999 Reporter #6: Dr. Michael Swango is currently serving time 655 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,740 in an Oregon federal penitentiary 656 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,999 for making false statements to get a job 657 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,999 at a Long Island hospital. 658 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,999 With good behavior, he'll be transferred to a halfway house. 659 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Jordan: In order to build their case 660 00:32:36,801 --> 00:32:37,999 before Swango was released from prison, 661 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,999 investigators needed actual proof 662 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,999 that the three veterans had been poisoned. 663 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000 So they had to ask the families if they had permission 664 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,999 to exhume the bodies of their loved ones 665 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,999 and test the tissue for toxins. 666 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,999 I couldn't believe I was getting this phone call. 667 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,999 Tom said they have reason to believe 668 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000 that my father's death was not natural causes. 669 00:33:01,001 --> 00:33:02,999 He was poisoned. 670 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,999 It started to fall into place. 671 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,999 That's the doctor that he was talking about, Michael Swango. 672 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,999 And then we all felt very guilty 673 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,999 'cause we didn't believe my father. 674 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,999 And they believed that two drugs were involved here. 675 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000 One drug is called epinephrine. 676 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:24,999 Holstege: Epinephrine is a stimulant. 677 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,999 A very large dose of epinephrine 678 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,999 can make your blood pressure go very high, 679 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,980 it can make your heart rate go very high, 680 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,999 it can cause you to have a hemorrhage in your brain, 681 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,999 and certainly you can get to a dose that can kill somebody. 682 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,999 Sackman: And the other drug is called succinylcholine. 683 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,999 Unmisig: It's a very quick-acting paralytic, 684 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,999 and it paralyzes you and you can't breathe. 685 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000 And the big question is, are you gonna be able to find 686 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,999 these poisons in embalmed tissue? 687 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,999 Valery: And going down to the 11th hour, 688 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,999 there was not an answer. 689 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,999 Let's assume we missed the deadline and he was out? 690 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,999 I didn't want to miss that mark, because if I missed that mark, 691 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,999 I was not gonna find him again, not for a long time. 692 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,100 But toxicology is everything in this case. 693 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,999 Back in the '80s and early '90s, 694 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000 you didn't have the forensic-analysis tools 695 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,999 that are at our avail today. 696 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,580 Lynch: Scientific testing has advanced to a point, 697 00:34:24,581 --> 00:34:26,999 where scientists are able to make determinations 698 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,999 of the presence of various substances in the body, 699 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,999 specifically in tissue, 700 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,999 that they weren't able to back in 1993. 701 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,999 Valery: In the first victim, George Siano, 702 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,999 we found a drug called epinephrine. 703 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,999 In Thomas Sammarco, 704 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,999 we found a drug that is called succinylcholine. 705 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,999 That is why we decided to move forward 706 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,999 and charge him with the murders. 707 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,999 But would the charge come in time? 708 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,999 Michael Swango's prison sentence was coming to an end. 709 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,999 And he was within a week or two of being released. 710 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,999 Reporter #6: Swango was days away from freedom. 711 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,999 His current prison term set to expire on July 15th. 712 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,999 McCarthy: I can't let this guy go. 713 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,999 To let him go would be like allowing a hurricane 714 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,999 that you could stop hit a major east-coast city. 715 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,999 If he gets out, people are gonna die. 716 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:22,000 ?? 717 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,999 Lynch: Michael Swango was, at one point in time, a doctor. 718 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,999 But instead of using his medical license to become 719 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,999 a healer, Swango embarked upon a career as a killer. 720 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,999 Jordan: Just days before Dr. Michael Swango 721 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,999 was to be released from prison on the perjury charges, 722 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,999 prosecutors were able to indict him for murder. 723 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,999 The FBI went to share that news with him 724 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000 and to let Michael Swango know that he had a decision to make. 725 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,999 Neer: We had the cases together for New York, 726 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,999 and so we went out to talk to him. 727 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,999 And we said, "We're just here to tell you something." 728 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,999 And he seemed surprised, and we said, 729 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,999 "What we're here to tell you is that you're smart. 730 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,999 You've gotten away with a lot of murders, 731 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,999 and we may have the murder cases in New York, 732 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,999 but we definitely have the murder cases in Africa." 733 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,999 Jordan: Dr. Michael Swango had already been indicted 734 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,999 for five murders in Zimbabwe, Africa. 735 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,999 And the punishment there ... death by hanging. 736 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,999 There's a treaty between Zimbabwe and the United States. 737 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,999 McCarthy: An extradition treaty, which had just been 738 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,999 put into effect by the U.S. government 739 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,999 and the government of Zimbabwe. 740 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,999 Neer: And Jim handed the ratification over to Swango. 741 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,999 McCarthy: His face changed. He went pale. 742 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,999 Neer: And we said, "You know what we'll do, Mike, 743 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,999 is we'll go over there. 744 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,999 Maybe you'll beat the charges, maybe you won't. 745 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,999 It gives us extra time to finesse our cases here." 746 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,999 But he said, "No, you know the only way 747 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,999 I'm coming back from Africa is in a body bag." 748 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,999 Well, that convinced him in pretty short order 749 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,999 that he should plead guilty and avoid a trial. 750 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,999 McCarthy: He thought he'd be hanged pretty quickly 751 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,999 once he reached Zimbabwe, 752 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,999 and he was looking to make a deal. 753 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,999 So he basically said that he would plead guilty 754 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,180 if we took Africa off the table, the death penalty off the table, 755 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,999 and he got to serve his time in a secure location. 756 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,999 Jordan: In the agreement, 757 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,999 Michael Swango would plead guilty 758 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,999 to the three murders at the V. A. hospital in New York 759 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,999 and also to the murder 760 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000 of 19-year-old Cindy McGee in Ohio. 761 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,999 The first sentencing was out on Long Island, 762 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,999 and, of course, the families are there. 763 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,999 I remember when he was brought before the judge 764 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,999 and when we were all there and they sentenced him. 765 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,999 Swango gets up and he stands up at attention like an ex-Marine. 766 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,999 McCarthy: And he admits to the judge, 767 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,999 "This veteran, I gave him a substance 768 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,999 I knew would kill him and did so anyway." 769 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,999 Sackman: "I poisoned these people." 770 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,999 He ran through the whole thing. 771 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,999 What everybody thought for 20 years was now proven. 772 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,999 He is a serial killer. 773 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,000 He enjoyed sitting on Tom Sammarco's radiator, 774 00:38:09,001 --> 00:38:10,999 watching him code. 775 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,999 I was furious at that. 776 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,999 I'm still furious when I think about him. 777 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,999 I really am. 778 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,999 He just didn't have any remorse in his face. 779 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,999 He took great joy in saying, "Oh, I have bad news for you, 780 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,999 but your father died." 781 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,999 That was part of his joy. 782 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,999 He destroyed us. He really did. 783 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,999 I just asked him to rot in Hell. 784 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:36,999 ?? 785 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000 He did plead guilty to killing Cindy McGee. 786 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,999 Dr. Swango was tasked with taking a blood draw, 787 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,999 and he didn't do that. 788 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,999 He gave her a shot of potassium, 789 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,999 which then caused her death due to the cardiac arrest. 790 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,999 Harp: He said he shot a syringe in her chest 791 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,999 and killed her immediately. 792 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,999 It made you angry. 793 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,999 Why would he do something like that? 794 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,050 He didn't know Cindy. 795 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,999 Or was it just an objective for him to kill 796 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,999 as many people as he could? 797 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,400 Gruber: How many innocent people has he killed? 798 00:39:11,401 --> 00:39:13,999 How many innocent people has he victimized? 799 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,999 The sad truth is that poisoning is an under-diagnosed crime, 800 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,999 and I think that there's probably a lot of people 801 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,999 that have been poisoned and died and nobody ever suspected it. 802 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,999 Jordan: Investigators believed that every person 803 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,999 around Michael Swango 804 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000 could have been a potential target, 805 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,999 like in the case of Michael Swango's former fianc�e, 806 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,999 Kristin Kinney, known as K.K. 807 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,999 Shortly after she and Swango left South Dakota, 808 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,999 they broke up, and she committed suicide. 809 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,999 I got a phone call from my charge nurse at the hospital, 810 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 and she said, "K.K. killed herself," 811 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,999 and I just burst into tears. 812 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,999 Sackman: The family kept a lock of her hair, 813 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,999 and we had that lock tested. 814 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,999 It was loaded with arsenic. 815 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,999 So he'd been poisoning her for quite some time, too. 816 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,999 Cooper: At the very least, he seems to be a sick man. 817 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,999 At the very most, he's the epitome of evil. 818 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,999 Sackman: He was sentenced to life imprisonment 819 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,999 without the possibility of parole for the murders 820 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,080 that he pled guilty to. 821 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,740 McCarthy: And, if he ever gets out, 822 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,680 he still has to go back to Zimbabwe. 823 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:33,999 ?? 824 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,999 Unmisig: Where he's at, he's in with the worst of the worst. 825 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,999 So the FBI labels him 826 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,999 as being one of the most dangerous individuals. 827 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,999 I think that describes how dangerous Swango is to society. 828 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,999 He was brilliant, charming, and a diabolical killer. 829 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,999 I know that Michael has only been convicted of four murders. 830 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,999 He contends that there are hundreds. 831 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000 He says... 832 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,999 Valery: It had nothing to do with veterans. 833 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000 It had nothing to do with age. 834 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,999 It had nothing to do with illnesses. 835 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,999 He liked to kill. 836 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,999 [Monitor flatlines] 837 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,000 ?? 838 00:41:30,001 --> 00:41:32,999 Michael Swango is serving four life sentences 839 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,999 with no chance of parole. 840 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,999 Authorities say they don't know how many people 841 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,999 Swango has murdered 842 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,999 but believe the body count could be as many as 60 worldwide. 843 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,999 Retired FBI agents Tom Neer and James McCarthy 844 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,999 regularly visit with him in prison in the hopes 845 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,999 he will reveal information about other victims. 846 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,999 HLN reached out to Swango for comment. 847 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,999 He did respond, but he would not answer questions 848 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,999 about any additional crimes for fear of further prosecution. 849 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,999 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 850 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000 Thanks for watching. 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