All language subtitles for Very Scary People s02e10 Robert Durst 2.eng

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What I heard was Morris
Black was not to be played with.

That, when you're in a moment of fright and fear,

it's called panic.

They said, if a person is already dead

and you get to chopping up the body,

that's called tampering with evidence.

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And that's another case

and another trial.

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Welcome to "Very Scary People."

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

When Robert Durst's wife Kathie

vanished without a trace,
her family suspected foul play,

but there was no proof of a crime.

No body was ever found.

Eighteen years later, when prosecutors

opened a new investigation into her case,

Durst himself disappeared.

He fled to Galveston, Texas,
and began a strange new life ...

a new name, new story, a whole new identity.

He was posing as a deaf-
mute woman named Dorothy Ciner,

until a dead body was discovered
floating in the bay nearby

and a trail of blood led right back to his door.

It all seemed too bizarre,

but Durst would explain everything in detail.

Here's part 2 of "Robert Durst,"

"Nobody Tells the Whole Truth."

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Good afternoon. In the news today,

a reward of $100,000 offered by a husband

to help find his missing wife.

Robert Durst's wife Kathie Durst

went missing in 1982.

The wife, 29-year-old Kathleen Durst,

a medical student at Albert Einstein College,

disappeared from the
couple's Manhattan apartment.

Once I heard she disappeared,

I think I knew pretty fast
that something bad had happened.

No body turned up.

There's no crime scene, even.

And the case just lost
all momentum after a while.

Then, 18 years later,
there's this new investigation

in the disappearance of Kathie Durst.

Pirro: I have a lot of questions.

It appears that things

are not what they seemed to be in 1982.

When he learns that there's a new investigation

and he's going to come
under scrutiny, once again,

Bob was in a panic.

What he does is he goes down to Galveston

and he rents an apartment.

Posing as a middle-aged woman who was deaf

and her name was Dorothy Ciner.

He's basically on the run,
waiting to see what happens.

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And then, a few weeks later,

Susan Berman is murdered

in Los Angeles.

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Reporter: Susan Berman, an author

and a close friend of Robert Durst.

Birkbeck: She was the closest person

to Bobby back in 1982.

She knew everything that was going on.

Bagli: Someone had addressed

an envelope

to "Beverley Hills Police,"

and inside, on note paper, was the word "cadaver"

and an address ... Susan's address.

The supposition was that whoever sent that letter

had seen the body and wanted
the body to be discovered.

Then, in September 2001, another body turns up.

Reporter: A teenage boy fishing

in the shallow waters

off Galveston, Texas,

stumbled on the gruesome remains of a murder.

Reporter #2: Galveston police are convinced

58-year-old Robert Durst killed and dismembered

his 71-year-old neighbor Morris Black.

Who can chop up a body?

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I don't know how a surgeon does it,

let alone a real-estate heir.

Criss: Then, an arrest is made.

They had a bond hearing where
they expected him to show up

and, at some point, they realize he's not coming.

Reporter: Today, Durst was due in court,

but didn't show.

This incredibly wealthy man is on the run.

You're talking about a guy that's got

millions of dollars at his disposal.

Robert, if you see this

or hear this, please come home.

Now, he's a fugitive from the law

and the question is, "Where is he?"

Criss: I strongly believed

that he is a danger to the community.

He's a very, very dangerous man.

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After six weeks of being a fugitive,

Robert Durst gets caught
in a small town in Pennsylvania

after he was accused of shoplifting a sandwich.

That's how he gets arrested

and sent back to Galveston, Texas.

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Cooper: Jury selection got underway

in Galveston, Texas, today.

Robert Durst is on trial for murdering

and then dismembering his neighbor.

If he is found guilty of that murder,

he will spend the rest of his life behind bars,

which is a far cry from the
lifestyle that he was born into.

He's a member of one of the wealthiest

real-estate families in New York City.

He's worth at least $500 million.

The attorneys that represented him

were some of the best in the country.

Dick DeGuerin, Chip Lewis, and Mike Ramsey,

they're the dream team
of criminal defense attorneys

in this region of Texas.

It was a dream team defense

that cost Bob several million dollars.

The prosecution had a really
good circumstantial case.

We had a tremendous amount of physical evidence.

Here we've got what we believe
to be the murder weapon.

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We had the blood trail between Morris Black's

apartment and his.

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We also found a receipt
from a local hardware store

that indicated a purchase for a bow saw

and several garbage bags.

These were all instruments that were used

in the killing and dismembering

and disposing of Morris Black.

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Going into this trial,

everyone thought that the only way

Robert Durst might have a chance
of getting out of this situation

is if he pled that he was insane.

How else do you explain the cutting up the body?

I mean, how do you explain

a person who could be so cold as to do that?

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He was swimming in the blood

and then he cleaned up and
went back to the San Luis Hotel

and had a Caesar salad.

He also went to a local
Walmart, got a money order,

to pay Morris Black's rent,

so that the landlord would not come around,

looking for the rent.

This is a man who, by many
accounts, he was cross-dressing,

he portrayed himself as mute woman.

Certainly, you know, I guess
"eccentric," at the very least,

would be the word to describe it.

Lavandera: At first glance, when you look

at what's going on here in Galveston,

you think, "Oh, Robert Durst isn't all there.

Like there must be something
wrong with him mentally."

But then, little things start popping up,

here and there, that make you question,

"Is there something else going on here?"

He started going around, setting up safe houses,

like he did in Galveston.

He also did the same thing

in New Orleans,

dressed up as a mute female.

Durst had also cemented
a very crucial relationship

before he went on the run,

with the very person who had wired him

the $300,000 that he needed to make bail.

That's when we learned about Debrah Charatan,

his secret wife.

She's another influential
person in real estate in New York.

Their romantic relationship had lasted

only a couple of years,

but she was still a confidant of his

and, when Bob learned of this new investigation

into Kathie's disappearance,

authorities believe he immediately takes action

and marries his long-time
friend Debrah Lee Charatan.

Nobody had known that they got married.

It was clearly a business deal,
for her to agree to marry him.

Bagli: He gives her power of attorney

over his financial accounts.

Lavandera: When Robert Durst

returns to Texas,

they revoke the bail.

"You ran on us on the first one.

You're not getting another shot."

The odds seemed completely stacked against them.

There's no winning defense in a crime like this,

unless you have a winning defense attorney,

like Dick DeGuerin.

Criss: Mr. DeGuerin,

are you ready?

Yes, Your Honor.

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Criss: The State of Texas

v. Robert Durst.

In the district court of Galveston County, Texas,

the defendant, Robert Durst,

stands charged by indictment
with the offense of murder.

Robert Durst's defense,

led by defense attorney Dick DeGuerin,

surprises everyone.

The defense that DeGuerin presented

was quite an audacious one, which was,

"Yes, my client did it.

We're not arguing that.

But he did it out of self-defense."

Reporter: Robert Durst says Morris Black

was accidentally killed in self-defense

while both men struggled for a gun.

Well, if the defense is self-defense,

you almost have to put him on the stand.

Only two people know what happened.

One is now deceased.

The other one is Mr. Durst.

Cooper: It's got to be

a risky strategy,

putting this man on the stand.

Do they even know what he's gonna say?

They're going to prep him very well,

but it is definitely a high-risk strategy.

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Lavandera: Dick DeGuerin lives

by this philosophy where

you embrace the negative.

Don't deny what you can't deny.

DeGuerin has this phrase
that he teaches law students ...

"You kiss the ugly baby."

You have to take whatever your
horrible thing in your case is,

and you kiss that ugly baby.

They quickly figured out
that Robert Durst can't deny

that he killed Morris Black,

so you have to admit what you did.

And you take away the prosecutor's

sharpest knife in their toolbox.

There was a mountain of evidence

showing that Robert Durst was guilty of killing,

but that doesn't mean he was guilty of murder.

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Before Robert Durst took the stand,

his defense attorneys tried to prepare the jury

for some of his quirks.

They told us, as a child,
he suffered with Asperger's.

Defense attorneys say Durst suffers

from a mild form of autism,

which, they say, explains
why Durst acted the way he did.

When I watched him walk from the table

to that box to sit in,

he looked frail and he got up there

and he was real [Hushed] soft-spoken.

And he said he didn't want to be Bob anymore.

This kind of ends up playing
into this whole idea of,

you know, of him having to explain

why this multimillionaire is living

on a Texas island, dressed as a woman.

By his own admission,

Robert Durst came to Galveston with a secret,

that he wanted to change identities.

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Morris Black was Robert
Durst's next-door neighbor,

who distinguished himself in Galveston

as being a complete and utter crank.

The defense said that they
immediately became fast friends.

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And, eventually, they become friendly enough

where Robert Durst drops the
disguise of being Dorothy Ciner.

Morris Black was the only one

who knew Robert Durst as Robert Durst.

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They were both estranged from their family,

were lone wolves, and they
were also incredibly cheap.

Bagli: Bob says he gave him a key

to his apartment.

Bob had a television.

He welcomed Morris in to watch television.

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But what I heard in this case ...

Morris Black was not to be played with.

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Bob had a pistol,

which he kept in the oven.

Warren: They presented it more like

Morris was more interested in Durst's weapon.

You know, like he had a fantasy with his weapon.

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Bagli: But, at a certain point,

Bob says,

he took the key away from Morris Black.

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He comes home one evening and finds Morris there,

holding his gun, according to Bob.

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They tussled,

but it was like a self-defense tussle.

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And, as they fell to the ground...

[Gunshot] ...the gun goes off,

killing Morris Black.

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According to Durst, Morris was shot in the face.

Bob says he's freaking out because he knows

that there's now a new investigation

into Kathie's disappearance.

The way he told the story,
he didn't believe anybody

was going to believe him,
that it was self-defense,

so he had to make this calculated decision

to hide this body.

So, in a fugue-like state,

he went over to Chalmers hardware store

and got what everybody else would get, right?

A bow saw.

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Criss: According to him,

in order to cut the body up,

he had to get drunk and smoke a lot of pot.

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Bagli: I've never heard

anybody describe,

in such bloody detail,

something that they did that was so horrific.

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Bob's defense team hammered away with the jury

that they had to separate

the act of how Morris Black died

from the cutting up of the body.

This case is not about what Bob Durst did

after Morris Black died.

The sole issue for you
ladies and gentlemen to decide

is how Morris Black died.

They said that, if a person is already dead

and you get to chopping up the body,

that's called tampering with evidence

and that's another case, and another trial.

Reporter: Prosecutors say Durst

very calmly planned

to get away with murder,

wrapping body parts in trash
bags and inside suitcases,

even using his money
to pay for the victim's rent.

They say Durst's actions after the shooting

prove his guilt.

But they didn't come up with a good story to tell

about why the murder occurred.

They're saying that Durst shot Morris Black

dead-center in the back of his head,

but you can't say that

'cause you don't have the head!

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What you had is Mr. Durst taking the stand

and telling a story that
basically couldn't be disproved.

It's like proving the negative,

and the prosecutor had a hard time doing that.

DeGuerin: Reasonable doubt.

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It means a doubt based

on reason and common sense.

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Mr. Foreman, I understand you have a verdict?

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"We, the jury, find the defendant,

Robert Durst,

not guilty."

[Camera shutters clicking continuously]

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I don't think he believed, for a minute,

that he was gonna be found not guilty.

McCormack: Not guilty?

He cut a guy in pieces

and went and hid the evidence.

Not guilty?

We did the best with what we had

and, whether it agree to you all

or to anyone else out there in America,

this is what we came up with.

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We begin with a courtroom shocker.

A man who admitted

that he killed his neighbor

and chopped up his body

is found not guilty of murder by a Texas jury.

After Robert Durst was acquitted
of murdering Morris Black,

he pleads guilty to some lesser charges ...

tampering with evidence,

for dismembering Morris Black's body;

jumping bail;

and then, federal Weapons charges.

Within two and a half years,

Robert Durst is back out on the streets.

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By then, New York filmmaker
Andrew Jarecki was inspired

to make a feature film
based on Robert Durst's life.

By late 2010,

"All Good Things" is coming out.

All Good Things was the
name of the health food store

that Robert and Kathie
Durst were running in Vermont

in the early 1970s.

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We thought carefully about trying to make it

as accurate as possible and
I remember saying to my partner,

when we were writing that movie,
"I would like to make a movie

that the real Bob Durst could see

and have an emotional reaction to."

And Bob says

that he loved the movie.

I wrote a story in The Times,

how much he liked the movie,

despite the fact that

it implicated him in three murders.

But, it also made his family look horrible,

and he reveled in that.

Based on Durst's very positive response

to "All Good Things,"

he contacts the director and suggests

that Jarecki should interview him

for a documentary about his life.

They did two massive interviews,

one at the end of 2010, and then again in 2012.

Why in the world would he agree
to do an interview, on-camera?

He had never talked before,

so he wanted to tell his
story as he had it in his head.

I believe Bob sat down to do "The Jinx"

because he believed that he was infallible.

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In February of 2015,

the six-part docuseries
"The Jinx" premieres on HBO,

which is owned by HLN's
parent company, WarnerMedia.

For the first time, Durst makes
revealing statements on-camera,

like this one, about his
trial testimony in Galveston.

You know, it's a question
of not, "What do I say,"

but, "How do I say it?"

I never intentionally, purposefully, lied.

I made mistakes.

Did not tell the whole truth.

Nobody tells the whole truth.

Bob admits a lot of things on "The Jinx."

I was talking to him after every episode.

By the fifth episode, when I called him,

he was very agitated.

Reporter: In "The Jinx,"

a new, stunning revelation

by the stepson of Susan Berman,

killed execution-style in her Beverly Hills home.

In a storage box, the
stepson comes across a letter

Durst sent to Berman shortly before she died.

Durst's handwriting,

the killer's note to police,

they bear remarkable similarities,

down to the misspelling of "Beverly."

It was sent on December 23rd,

the same day that Susan was killed.

Inside, on note paper,

was the word "cadaver"

and an address ... Susan's address.

Oh, God, the "B" is exactly the same.

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Son of a bitch.

Whoever wrote that letter knew

that Susan Berman was dead.

Then, in the sixth and final episode,

Andrew Jarecki shows Durst
the letter, and confronts him.

So you wrote one of these, but you didn't write

the other one?

I wrote this one.

I did not write the cadaver one.

And can you tell me which one you didn't write?

No.

Reporter: When confronted,

Durst becomes nervous,

even burping uncomfortably on camera.

I would con...clude they were both written

by the same person.

Then, the interview comes to an end

and Bob asks to go to the bathroom.

Reporter: Visibly rattled, Durst stepped

away to the bathroom,

his microphone still live.

[Moaning]

I just had no idea that, that last five minutes,

we would see something like that.

I stood up and gasped.

I shed a couple of tears

because it was a final
closure on your worst fears.

And I thought to myself, "Oh, my God.

He's gonna run."

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Welcome back to "Very Scary People."

When Robert Durst reached
out to documentary producers

and offered to tell the truth
about his controversial life,

his goal was to set the record straight,

to create a positive impression.

He was confident he could control the narrative

until a confrontation about the handwriting

on the Susan Berman letter.

Then he went on the run again.

Jordan: The day before HBO broadcast

that final episode of "The Jinx,"

a warrant had been issued for his arrest

in the murder of Susan Berman,

but nobody could find him.

LAPD at this point knows
he's left his home in Houston

with five bags, and he's going somewhere.

The FBI is looking at his whereabouts,

and they see that he gets into a car

and he starts driving east.

And then he turns off his
phone, and so they can't track him.

What he did was go to New Orleans.

He's checked into the
Marriott under an assumed name.

It was that day or the next day...

Bob turns on his phone.

Big mistake.

'Cause now they know where he is.

So, that Saturday afternoon,
two FBI agents go the Marriott,

and they ask for the manager,

and they say, "Do you have Bob Durst here?"

"No, nobody by the name of Bob Durst."

They said, "Well, how about...?"

And they go through 10 aliases.

"No."

So, they're standing around
in the lobby, and they turn in,

and who comes walking through the revolving door

but a guy that looks a
hell of a lot like Bob Durst.

So they pull him aside, and
they said, "Are you Bob Durst?"

Reporter: Breaking news tonight ...

multimillionaire Robert
Durst arrested in connection

with the execution-style killing

of his long-time friend Susan Berman.

He's going to jail.

There he is in the backseat
of the car, smiling, looking happy.

Woman: His facial expressions
are often inappropriate.

But this man has been
Teflon-coated his entire life.

Nothing bad sticks to Robert Durst.

When did you find out about
the statement in the bathroom?

When I saw it on television,

like most everybody else in the country.

And if that's the strength of their case, man,

I could be ready tomorrow.

We want to contest the basis for his arrest

because I think it's not based on facts ...

it's based on ratings.

FBI find cash, a Smith & Wesson,
and five ounces of marijuana.

That is a lot of marijuana
for any one individual to smoke.

They find $117,000 in cash.

He also had maps with Florida, the U.
S., and Cuba.

This is a guy who was clearly
plotting and planning something.

They found a mask that would
cover your face, over your neck,

up to your chest area.

It was creepy-looking.

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Man: This morning, New York
real-estate heir Robert Durst

remains behind bars in New Orleans.

Bagli: John Lewin, the prosecutor,

he had gotten on a plane

the minute he heard they had him in custody.

And he lands very early in New Orleans

and goes straight to the jailhouse

and asks if Bob is willing
to talk to him, which he was.

-Do you want to sit here? -Yes.

We'll give him the softest seat.

And they start talking for almost three hours.

Without Durst's lawyer present.

Bagli: It was a brilliant interview

because the prosecutor had a checklist

of what he wanted to ask
Bob and get a response to,

like the so-called "cadaver note."

Lewin explains his theories

of the crimes he believes Durst has committed.

In the case of Morris Black,

Lewin theorizes that Black
was the one person in Galveston

who knew the true identity of Robert Durst

and may have threatened to expose him.

Bagli: By the end of the conversation,

they start dancing around, very obliquely,

about, you know, a plea agreement.

Okay.

Lewin is telling him, basically, "We gotcha."

It looks as if he wants to tell his story.

The defense view of Robert Durst

playing that game of cat-and-mouse

is that Robert Durst was playing
the prosecutor at that time.

Criss: I do think that

the prosecutor in Los Angeles has got his number.

I think he understands Bob better

than anybody who's dealt with him.

He's researched this case.

He knows everything you could possibly know.

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DeGuerin: Bob Durst did not kill Susan Berman,

and he doesn't know who
did, and he wants to prove it.

Woman: How strong is the case against him?

Man: Completely out of whack.

I mean, 20 hours of footage!

20 hours of interviews that this guy gave

without his lawyer present,
without anybody present

to keep his mouth shut to HBO.

That's going to be used against him.

Bagli: The fundamental problem for the defense

is that their client talked
and talked and talked again.

He did the very thing that

his lawyers and his friends warned him against.

Don't poke a stick in the beehive.

Woman: Durst's attorney says he needs

to be in a hospital instead of jail

because of several medical conditions,

one of which was definitely obvious here.

You can see it right about here.

It's a shunt bulging from
the side of his shaven head,

implanted during surgery to treat hydrocephalus.

I do want to say here and
now, though, I am not guilty.

I did not kill Susan Berman.

As it stands today, Bob
is charged with one murder,

the murder of Susan Berman.

But the theory of the prosecution's case

is that Bob executed Susan because he was afraid

that she would reveal to the authorities

her role in the disappearance of Kathie Durst.

That man kills witnesses.

That's what he does.

That's what he did in this case.

That's what he did with Morris Black.

Mr. Durst, when pushed into a corner,

he murders people.

Chesnoff: They have an idea that somehow

they're gonna try three murder cases,

one of which

he's previously been acquitted of,

the other he's never been charged in,

and this case.

DeGuerin: The first presumption that they have

is that, first,

Kathie Durst is dead.

There's no evidence that she is.

But second ... that Bob Durst

had anything to do with her disappearance.

There's no evidence.

There never has been.

There isn't anything new.

Birkbeck: It's a circumstantial case,

so John Lewin has a very
difficult task ahead of him,

especially given the defense
team that Durst has assembled,

which is pretty much
the same defense team he used

in the Morris Black trial.

That man beat a murder in Galveston.

Beat a murder!

He murdered that man, and he got away with it.

He's not gonna get away a second time.

Birkbeck: This is not a slam dunk by any means.

This is gonna be something to watch.

Do not underestimate Robert Durst

or his defense team.

Man: We're back in session.

People versus Robert Durst.

Jordan: As early as 2017, Deputy D.A. John Lewin

began calling conditional witnesses.

These are people that
he wanted to get on the record

before the trial began.

Bagli: The Deputy District Attorney

dug up a dozen people

who Susan told some fragment of the story.

And when you put them all together,

they are a mosaic that tells
a bit about what Susan knew.

Lynda Obst ... she had been
interviewed for "The Jinx,"

but she didn't talk about
this piece of information,

and she testified that Susan had told her

that she helped Bob

with covering up how Kathie disappeared.

Lynda testified that Susan admitted

that she had called Kathie's medical school

and pretended to be Kathie.

You're seeing people come forward now

who have protected him in the past.

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One of the people

who had not spoken to law enforcement until then

was a mutual friend of
Susan Berman and Robert Durst

named Nick Chavin.

Bagli: The prosecutor in Los Angeles

spent seven months trying to get Nick to talk,

and Nick, as he put it,

is weighing his loyalty to his two best friends,

Susan on the one hand and Bob on the other.

And, ultimately, he decided to cooperate.

He became the big mystery witness

at the first big hearing in Los Angeles.

Jordan: Chavin gave testimony

about an encounter he had with Robert Durst

in New York in 2014.

[Telephone rings]

Bagli: Nick gets a call, and Bob says,

"I wanna talk to you about Susie."

So they have dinner, they
get outside, and Nick says to him,

"Bob, you wanted to talk about Susie?" ...

this person that was near
and dear to both of them ...

and he's looking down at the ground,

and he says, "I had no choice.

It was her or me."

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Man: I want to thank all of you.

This has been a really long process.

Man #2: Prosecution's making their case right now

in a Los Angeles courtroom.

More than 150 witnesses
could be called to the stand.

After decades of suspicion,

Robert Durst's long-awaited murder trial

is about to finally begin.

Paul Vercammen is on this story from Los Angeles.

The first time we caught a glimpse of Durst,

he was stooped over,

and he must not weigh much more than 120 pounds.

Bob has come to look like a very old man

and somewhat feeble.

He moves very slowly and
with a great amount of effort.

Man: Durst will hear the opening statements

from the Grim Reaper of cold-case defendants.

John Lewin has had a lot of success

prosecuting cold cases,

especially under circumstantial evidence.

What the evidence will show

is that Bob Durst killed Kathie Durst

in the midst of a nasty divorce,

that he killed Susan Berman because he was afraid

that Susan Berman was
going to reveal what he knew.

Lewin also put this out there .
.. that although loyal,

Susan Berman was not the best at keeping secrets.

And when Susan Berman
told him that, "You know what?

I'm gonna talk to investigators,"

that she sealed her fate.

Vercammen: And then John Lewin
brings it up, that cadaver note,

that note that points
police to Susan Berman's body.

You're writing a note to the police

that only the killer could have written.

And then, they're getting ready to pick a jury,

and then, all of a sudden, boom!

Man: Durst's lawyers
now admit that he was the one

who wrote the note and mailed it.

After many years of adamantly
and repeatedly denying

that he wrote the cadaver note,

three months ago,

Durst stipulated that he wrote the cadaver note.

So many had wondered for months, how in the world

will the defense explain that cadaver note?

They actually admit to the jury

that Robert Durst found her body.

When Bob showed up and
found her dead, he panicked.

He wrote the anonymous letter
so her body would be found,

and he ran.

Man: Durst's lawyers' mantra is

a lack of evidence is evidence,

in this case, of his innocence.

There is no forensic evidence whatsoever

linking Bob to Mrs. Durst's disappearance

or, more importantly, Ms. Berman's murder.

No evidence of fingerprints in the house,

blood, DNA, ballistics.

Two houses, no forensic evidence.

Vercammen: And on that
call where the prosecution says

Susan Berman posed as Kathie Durst,

the defense has basically said

this call from Susan Berman never happened.

And then "The Jinx."

"The Jinx" will definitely be center stage,

but the defense said this is heavily edited,

it is deceiving and deliberately misleading.

DeGuerin: We're gonna see the unedited parts.

And I think the evidence will show you

that the editing changed a lot of it.

I call it "gotcha journalism."

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Bagli: I think this is
gonna be a final reckoning.

And the defense ... one thing
that they have on their side

is all they have to do is convince one juror

that the prosecution hasn't proven what happened.

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This trial is not simply
about the murder of Susan Berman.

This trial covers three deaths
over a span of almost 40 years.

And it's about justice.

McCormack: I'll be watching
this trial very closely.

I don't think I get up and not think of Kathie

on any given day ...
probably several times a day.

Mayer: A lot of people
have suffered over the years,

not knowing what happened to Kathie.

She had a lot of people
who loved her, including myself.

I think it would give a lot of people

at least some peace of mind to know the truth.

Draper: It just may simply be

Robert Durst will be the custodian

of all these secrets

and that those secrets will
remain locked up inside of him.

You know, things stay hidden,

but they don't stay hidden forever.

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When Robert Durst entered the courtroom

for the Susan Berman trial, people gasped.

He looked weak and frail,
his voice barely audible.

His attorneys confirmed his poor health,

and many wondered if he would live long enough

to hear the verdict.

In spite of any evidence against him,

Durst always insisted he did
not kill his best friend, Susan.

Will the jury believe him?

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching. Good night.

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