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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:08,000 ?? 2 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:40,999 ?? 3 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:50,999 ?? 4 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,999 ?? 5 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,999 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 6 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,999 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 7 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,999 Robert Durst is a wealthy heir to a billion-dollar fortune. 8 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,999 He's best known for his connection 9 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,999 to three bizarre and highly publicized incidents ... 10 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,999 his wife's sudden disappearance, 11 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,999 his neighbor's violent death, 12 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,999 and his best friend's murder. 13 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,620 Durst has been described as a man 14 00:01:12,621 --> 00:01:13,999 of stunning contradictions, 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,999 who left a world of power and privilege 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,999 to live life in the shadows. 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 His story is complicated, mysterious, 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,999 and, at times, truly scary. 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,999 Here's part 1 of "Robert Durst," 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,999 "The World's Worst Fugitive." 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:35,999 ?? 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,999 ?? 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,999 [Birds peeping] 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Putnal: It's an isolated area 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,999 of Galveston. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,999 It was the remnants of maybe an old pier or dock. 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,999 ?? 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:50,999 Criss: A man and his son 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,999 are fishing. 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,999 ?? 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,999 And the son sees a bag wash up. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,999 ?? 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,999 The son said, "Hey, Dad, look at this." 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:12,999 ?? 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,500 Criss: The bag had a torso in it. 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,999 [Siren wailing] 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,999 Putnal: We sent our dive team out. 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,999 We recovered additional bags 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,999 that contained the legs and the arms. 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,999 ?? 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,999 But there's no head. 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:27,999 ?? 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,999 If the head was in the water, we would've found it, 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,999 and it was not in that water. 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,999 It takes a special kind of evil to have it within you, 46 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,999 the ability to actually cut a body up. 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,999 I've seen a lot of bodies of people who've been murdered. 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,999 ?? 49 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,999 This was really chilling. 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,999 ?? 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:52,999 And there's a big fear in the community. 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,999 It's like, "Is there somebody out here 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,999 who has the entire community in danger?" 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:58,999 ?? 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,999 In one of the bags that the body parts were in 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,999 was a newspaper and the newspaper had an address. 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,999 It immediately led police to the house on Avenue K 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,999 and they could figure out pretty quickly who the dead man was. 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Birkbeck: The guy that lived there 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,999 was Morris Black. 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,999 They go searching through Black's apartment. 62 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:24,999 What we found particularly interesting ... 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,999 when we processed the scene for blood, 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,999 we found a blood trail leading from Morris Black's apartment 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,999 to the apartment across the hall. 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,999 ?? 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,999 So the police quickly contact the landlord 68 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,999 and they find out that the identity of the person 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,999 who rents apartment number 2 70 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,050 is Dorothy Ciner, 71 00:03:43,051 --> 00:03:44,999 who the landlord described 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,999 as a particularly unattractive female. 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,999 And, oh, by the way, she's a deaf-mute. 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,999 Dorothy Ciner indicated she may not be around consistently. 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,999 Neighbors had seen the resident from apartment 2 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,999 loading garbage bags into his vehicle the previous day. 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:05,999 The police went through the garbage 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,999 in the back of the house. 79 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,999 Putnal: We found a .22 handgun. 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,999 We believed there was a strong possibility that 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,999 that .22 handgun was the murder weapon. 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,999 ?? 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,999 The police had also found an appointment slip 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,999 for an eye doctor. 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 In the name of Robert Durst. 86 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,860 The police figured out Dorothy Ciner 87 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,999 is actually Robert Durst. 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,999 The police staked out the doctor's office 89 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,999 and, when Bob came, 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,999 they pulled up behind him and arrested him. 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,999 ?? 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,999 And in the car was the usual bag of pot 93 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,999 and a gun. 94 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Reporter: Police recovered 95 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,999 a 9-millimeter handgun 96 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,999 and a bow saw from Durst's car. 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,999 Inside his apartment, a pair of bloody boots and a knife. 98 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,999 Birkbeck: The floor was all cut up. 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,999 There had been blood everywhere. 100 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,999 They take him down to the station 101 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,999 and they charge him with murder 102 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,999 and possession of marijuana. 103 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,999 ?? 104 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,999 He definitely has a sick mind, to be able to dismember a body, 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,999 you know, cut off the head and arms and legs. 106 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Putnal: He was just another 107 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,999 suspect to us. 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,999 ?? 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,999 You know, we had no idea what his background was. 110 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,999 And bail is set at $300,000. 111 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,999 The jailer says something to him like, "You got it?" 112 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,999 And he goes, "Well, not in my pocket." 113 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,999 They don't have a clue who they're dealing with, here. 114 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,999 And he asks to make a phone call, 115 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,999 and he does. 116 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,999 The money was wired. 117 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,999 He was out the next morning. 118 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,999 ?? 119 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,999 We did not really anticipate 120 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,999 that he could make that bond so easily, 121 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,999 particularly in light of how he was living, 122 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,999 where he was living, and how he carried himself. 123 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,999 ?? 124 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,999 Then, people from New York began calling the police department, 125 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,999 to find out if this person was the same Robert Durst related 126 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,999 to the Durst Organization from New York City. 127 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,999 I'm at my desk at The New York Times 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,999 and we get a tip 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,999 that Bob Durst had been arrested for murder in Galveston, Texas. 130 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:20,999 And I was shocked. 131 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,999 I thought, "Could this be our Bob Durst?!" 132 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,999 ?? 133 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,999 The same Robert Durst whose wife has been missing for 20 years. 134 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Putnal: Now, we're finding out that he 135 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,999 was masquerading as a woman 136 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,999 and he knows how to chop up a body. 137 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,999 And that was the first time 138 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,999 that the people in Galveston started realizing, 139 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,999 "Oh, there's even more to this story." 140 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,999 When he made bond, he's given a date for his arraignment, 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,999 where he has to appear back in court. 142 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,999 Reporter: Today, Durst was due in court, 143 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:53,999 but didn't show. 144 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,999 We understood who Robert Durst was, by then. 145 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,999 Of course, immediately, our concerns became his ability 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,999 to escape and flee anywhere in the world 147 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,999 because of financial means. 148 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,999 Immediately, warrants were issued for his arrest. 149 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,999 We realized that we had a fugitive from justice. 150 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:16,000 ?? 151 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,999 ?? 152 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,999 After his arrest for the murder of Morris Black, 153 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,380 Robert Durst goes on the lam. 154 00:07:25,381 --> 00:07:26,999 He's a fugitive from justice. 155 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,999 He jumps bail. 156 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,999 Robert, if you see this 157 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,999 or hear this, please come home. 158 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,999 You're in a very dangerous situation, 159 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,999 as a fugitive in a massive manhunt 160 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:39,999 in this country. 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,999 ?? 162 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,999 This news is of particular interest 163 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:45,999 to the friends and family 164 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,999 of Kathie Durst, 165 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,999 Robert Durst's former wife, 166 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,000 a woman no one has seen for more than two decades. 167 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,999 Strauss: Once I heard she disappeared, 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,999 everything Kathie ever said came back to me. 169 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,999 I think I knew pretty fast that something bad had happened. 170 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 ?? 171 00:08:26,001 --> 00:08:27,999 Bob and Kathie, when they met, 172 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,999 they were completely smitten with each other, 173 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,999 right from the beginning. 174 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,999 She was 19 and she was a dental assistant 175 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,999 and she rented an apartment in a Durst-owned building. 176 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Bagli: And her roommate bumped 177 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,999 into an old friend of Bob's 178 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,999 and he said, "Oh, I'm going to a party. 179 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,999 Would you like to come?" 180 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,999 Everyone thought it was love at first sight. 181 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,999 Mayer: Kathie was strikingly pretty. 182 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,999 Bob was always a little... 183 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,999 distant. 184 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,999 They came from very different worlds. 185 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Bob came from a world of privilege, 186 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,999 and Kathie came from a small town 187 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,999 out in Long Island, blue-collar family. 188 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,999 It was a fast-moving romance. 189 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,999 It was really only the second or third date 190 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,999 when Bob asked her to move to Vermont with him 191 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,999 and open this health food store, All Good Things. 192 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Kathie settled into helping run the store. 193 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,999 They were just having a good time. 194 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,100 People have asked me what did I think of Bob 195 00:09:33,101 --> 00:09:34,999 when I first met him? 196 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,999 I've always thought he was shy 197 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,999 and, many times, he would literally walk away 198 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,999 from a dialogue that was going on and just be gone. 199 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,999 He used to burp or light up a joint in social situations, 200 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,999 seemingly amused by people's reactions. 201 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,999 Kathie's knowledge of who and what Bob was 202 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,999 was very limited. 203 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,999 She just met a guy that she was attracted to 204 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,700 and he asked her to come help run this health food store. 205 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,999 ?? 206 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,999 The Durst family was actually one 207 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,999 of New York City's royal real-estate families. 208 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,999 They owned about a dozen skyscrapers in Manhattan. 209 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,999 And Bob, it was assumed for many years, 210 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,999 was the heir apparent to this vast real-estate empire. 211 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 McCormack: Kathie was aware 212 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,999 of his lack of interest 213 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,999 in the New York scene, the business scene. 214 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,999 I don't think he felt that he was 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,999 cut out to be a real-estate icon. 216 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,999 ?? 217 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,999 But, after a couple of years in Vermont, 218 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,999 Robert and Kathie return to New York. 219 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 McCormack: He was called back 220 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,999 to the family business 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,999 and he went kind of reluctantly. 222 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,999 Kathie and Bob got married April 12, 1973. 223 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,999 They keep an apartment in the city, 224 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,999 but they also have a country home 225 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,999 about an hour and a half north. 226 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,999 ?? 227 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,999 A breaking point in the relationship came 228 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,999 later in the '70s, when she got pregnant 229 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,999 and Bob didn't want to have children 230 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,999 and he forced her to have an abortion. 231 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,999 And that devastated her. 232 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,999 I think, at that point, 233 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,999 Kathie embarked on a more independent path. 234 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,999 When she finished nursing school, 235 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,999 she immediately was applying to medical school. 236 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,999 Birkbeck: Which infuriated him, now. 237 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,999 He initially wants her to have a career 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,999 and, now she's working towards having a career 239 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,999 and that makes him really angry, now. 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,999 ?? 241 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,999 So, very soon, Robert and Kathie's marriage 242 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,999 really began to spiral downwards. 243 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,999 We know that she went once to Jacobi hospital 244 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,999 for treatment, for some bruises. 245 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,999 She didn't tell them specifically that 246 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,999 that was her husband. 247 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,999 Their relationship becomes so toxic 248 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,999 that he just completely cuts her off, 249 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,999 to where she's begging for money from her friends. 250 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,999 As the marriage was disintegrating, 251 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,999 Kathie went out and found a divorce lawyer. 252 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,999 She didn't want to just abandon the marriage 253 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:14,999 and get out with nothing. 254 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,999 She wasn't that interested in money, 255 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,999 but I think she wanted enough to be able 256 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,999 to finish medical school, maybe open a practice. 257 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,999 I think that Bob was afraid 258 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,999 of what a divorce settlement would mean, 259 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,999 in terms of how much money that he would have to hand over. 260 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Strauss: Kathie went 261 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,999 through Bob's papers. 262 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,999 ?? 263 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,999 She thought she had things on him 264 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,999 that she could use in a divorce. 265 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Bagli: Kathie put together 266 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,999 a little dossier. 267 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,999 We don't know exactly what was in this file, 268 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,999 but, it had something to do, possibly, 269 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,999 with Bob's tax records 270 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,999 or about the Durst Organization. 271 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,999 And then, it got really nasty 'cause then she started 272 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,999 to threaten him and the Durst family. 273 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,999 She had information. She said she sent it 274 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,999 to a certain senator in New York. 275 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,999 ?? 276 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,999 She was terrified of what the repercussions would be. 277 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:16,999 Kathie's friends told the police that, 278 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,999 in the months before her disappearance, 279 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,999 she had been afraid for her life. 280 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,999 And, in fact, her next-door neighbors 281 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,999 at the apartment in New York City 282 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,999 described a very disturbing incident. 283 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,999 ?? 284 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,999 One night, she crawled over the divider 285 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,999 between their two terraces in her pajamas... 286 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,999 [Banging on window] 287 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,999 ...and was banging on the window for them to let her in, 288 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,999 saying, "He's got a gun." 289 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,999 ?? 290 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,999 Katherine stated that Bob had beat her 291 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,999 and that he "wants to kill her. 292 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,999 She further stated that he had a gun 293 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,999 and she was afraid of being shot." 294 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,999 By that time, her marriage was sort of in shambles. 295 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,999 She said to more than one person ... 296 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,999 "If anything ever happens to me, look to Bob." 297 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:16,000 ?? 298 00:14:16,001 --> 00:14:18,999 Reporter: Galveston police are convinced 299 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,999 58-year-old Robert Durst 300 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,200 killed and dismembered 301 00:14:21,201 --> 00:14:22,999 his 71-year-old neighbor 302 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,999 Morris Black. 303 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,999 ?? 304 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Man: Right now, we have 305 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,999 two outstanding warrants 306 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,999 on Mr. Durst. 307 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,999 Now he's a fugitive from the law 308 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,999 and the question is, "Where is he?" 309 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,999 He had the means to evade detection, 310 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,999 much less prosecution. 311 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,999 He's very good at hiding the truth, 312 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,999 from as early as I got to know him. 313 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,999 ?? 314 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,999 The first time I was aware that there was an issue 315 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,999 was February 4th. 316 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,999 Bob's on the phone and he goes, "Jim, this is Bob. 317 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,999 Have you seen Kathie?" 318 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,999 And I go, "No. What do you mean?" 319 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,999 He goes, "I can't find her." 320 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,999 Kathie Durst is months away from graduating 321 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,999 from medical school and she just disappears. 322 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,999 It wasn't until later that week that Bobby goes 323 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,999 into a New York City police station, 324 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 with his dog, and reports Kathie missing. 325 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,999 Bob walked into the 20th Precinct 326 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,999 and threw his weight around by throwing down a magazine 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,999 with his father's picture on the cover. 328 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,999 It's "The Men Who Own New York." 329 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,999 Donald Trump, Helmsley ... 330 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,999 there's five men, all power brokers 331 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,999 in real estate in New York ... and Seymour Durst. 332 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,999 That was a way to say, "This is who I am." 333 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,999 It was to give him some kind of authority. 334 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,999 He says, "I haven't seen my wife 335 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:49,999 and she's been missing for five days 336 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,999 and I'm wondering if maybe something happened to her." 337 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Draper: He didn't seem particularly 338 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,999 alarmed or upset. 339 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,999 He said, instead, that she had probably 340 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,999 gone off to score drugs. 341 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,999 Bobby's story was that they had a fight. 342 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,999 He drove her to the train station, 343 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,999 put her on a train around 9:00, 344 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,999 and that was the last he had seen of her. 345 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,999 At one point, he said he talked to her 346 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,999 after she was back at the apartment. 347 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,999 The police believe that she reached New York City 348 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,999 and that she disappeared from there. 349 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:19,999 Reporter: Police have been 350 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:20,999 searching the building, 351 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,999 37 Riverside Drive, 352 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,999 where the Dursts occupied a penthouse. 353 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,999 They say, so far, they have found no evidence of foul play. 354 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,999 When the police went to their apartment building 355 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 to try and determine what happened to Kathie, 356 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,999 there was a doorman, who told them 357 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,999 that Kathie returned to the building 358 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,999 and that he took her up in the elevator. 359 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,999 ?? 360 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,999 And then, there was a doorman who claimed 361 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,999 that he saw Kathie leave the building the following morning. 362 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,999 ?? 363 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,999 One other thing was that someone, 364 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,999 identifying themselves as Kathie, 365 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 called the dean of students the next day 366 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,999 at her medical school and said, "I'm Kathie Durst. 367 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,999 I don't feel well today and I'm not coming in." 368 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,999 ?? 369 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,999 Good evening. She talked on the telephone with her husband 370 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,999 and with a supervisor at a medical center, 371 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,999 then, she vanished. 372 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,999 No one wanted to listen to us, 373 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,999 that anything that happened to Kathie 374 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,999 happened at their house in South Salem. 375 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,999 We think she never got to New York, 376 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,999 never went to the train. 377 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:34,999 ?? 378 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,999 Bob did some things that aroused the suspicion 379 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,999 of Kathie's friends and Kathie's family, 380 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,999 and they became sort of amateur sleuths, 381 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,999 looking for clues about what happened. 382 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,999 ?? 383 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 At some point, we made a midnight run... 384 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,999 ?? 385 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,999 ...and we took his garbage 386 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,999 and we went through it, piece by piece. 387 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,999 ?? 388 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,999 He was throwing away her clothes, her books, 389 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,999 her papers, her makeup. 390 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,999 ?? 391 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,999 There was never a thorough search 392 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,999 of the house in South Salem. 393 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,999 It became clear to the authorities 394 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,999 that Robert Durst was certainly not being very expansive 395 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,999 about what could've happened to his own wife, 396 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,999 but he maintained that he had nothing to do 397 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,999 with her disappearance. 398 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Bagli: However, a lot of the things 399 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,999 that he said 400 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,999 were quickly disproven. 401 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,999 He told the police that he dropped her at the station 402 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,999 and came back to my house for drinks. 403 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,999 He did not come to my house for a drink. 404 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,999 He told police that, well, maybe he didn't have the drink. 405 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,999 Maybe he took the dog for a walk, 406 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,999 found a phone booth in the driving rain, 407 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,999 and called Kathie. 408 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,999 He later admitted that none of those things were true. 409 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,999 One person who did seem to know an awful lot 410 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,999 was this old friend, Susan Berman, 411 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,999 who Robert met at UCLA. 412 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,999 Bobby was the friend of whom she was the most proud, 413 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,999 because of his family, family connections, 414 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,999 who his family was. 415 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Birkbeck: She was the closest person 416 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,999 to Bobby back in 1982. 417 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,999 She knew everything that was going on. 418 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,999 Bagli: When Kathie disappeared, 419 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,999 Susan was his shield, in dealing with the press. 420 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,999 We know this because Susan called a friend, 421 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,380 who recorded the phone call. 422 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,000 This was only eight or nine days after Kathie disappeared. 423 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,999 And she seems to be testing out different theories 424 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000 about what happened to Kathie. 425 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,000 It's sort of Harrowing to listen to the recording today. 426 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,999 Today, the authorities believe 427 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,999 that the call to Kathie's medical school 428 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,000 was made, not by Kathie, 429 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,999 but by Susan Berman. 430 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,999 When I read that someone, thought to be Kathie, 431 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 called the dean of the medical school 432 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,999 and described every malady in her body, 433 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,999 I thought, "who does that? 434 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,999 Susan does that." 435 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,999 She had a relationship with members of the press, 436 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,999 of kind of normalizing Robert Durst. 437 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,999 She claims that Bobby is worried, grief-Stricken, 438 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,999 that Kathie hung around with some bad people, 439 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,999 involved in drugs, and that they needed to be looking there. 440 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,999 In the news today, a reward of $100,000 441 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,999 offered by a husband 442 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,999 to help find his missing wife. 443 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,999 This was headlines in the tabloid newspapers 444 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,999 and there was a lot of attention, 445 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,999 but, slowly, it peters out when there were no leads. 446 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,999 The investigation, for the most part, is actually shut down. 447 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,999 There's very little evidence. 448 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,999 There's no body. There's no crime scene, even. 449 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,999 He's not charged. 450 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,999 It disappeared from the headlines. 451 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,999 It was quiet. 452 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,999 The police may have ignored it, but I didn't forget. 453 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:41,000 ?? 454 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000 ?? 455 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,999 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 456 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,999 Family and friends were shocked and worried 457 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,999 when Kathie Durst vanished without a trace. 458 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,999 A cloud of suspicion hung over Robert Durst. 459 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,999 No one ever heard from Kathie after she disappeared, 460 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,999 but police said there was not enough evidence 461 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,999 to prove a crime had been committed. 462 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Eventually, the story faded from the headlines. 463 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,999 ?? 464 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Bagli: Bob, he was working 465 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,999 at the family business 466 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,999 at the time that Kathie vanished. 467 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 His brother Douglas had also gone into the family business. 468 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,999 There was friction between him and Douglas 469 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,999 from, probably, the moment they were born. 470 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,999 I don't think they ever trusted each other. 471 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,999 Douglas tells a story that Bob would sometimes come 472 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,999 into his office and pee in the wastebasket 473 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 and his behavior was increasingly erratic. 474 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 A defining moment for Bob, and for the Durst family, 475 00:23:03,001 --> 00:23:04,999 came in 1950. 476 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,999 Their mother died a very tragic death. 477 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,999 Birkbeck: It was a cold night 478 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,999 and it was a steep roof 479 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,999 and someone saw her out there 480 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,999 and they called the fire department, 481 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,999 and a guy was going up the ladder to try to get her down. 482 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 [Siren wailing] Bagli: And his mother 483 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 either fell or jumped. 484 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,999 Bob always told his friends that he saw his mother fall, 485 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,999 but other family members would contradict him on that. 486 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,999 His brother Douglas stated that all four of the Durst children 487 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,999 were just whisked out of the house that night 488 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,999 and that none of them actually saw their mother fall. 489 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,999 Bagli: Robert was the oldest. 490 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,999 He was about six, seven years old 491 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,999 and the death of his mother was something 492 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,999 that he carried with him for the rest of his life, 493 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,999 sometimes blaming his father for his mother's problems. 494 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,999 ?? 495 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,999 And it led to a lot of the fighting 496 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,999 between him and his brother. 497 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,999 ?? 498 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,999 At a certain point, his grandfather 499 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,999 encouraged them to go see a psychiatrist. 500 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,999 "It was Dr. Schonfeld's opinion that Robert's hostility 501 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,999 toward his father and his younger brother 502 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,999 was of such intensity that it might constitute 503 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,999 a deconstructive, psychodynamic force 504 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,999 sufficient to produce a personality decomposition." 505 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,999 ?? 506 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,999 Birkbeck: It describes his mental state. 507 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,999 This is at 10 years old. 508 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,999 ?? 509 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,999 Going into the 1980s, 510 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,999 most people assumed that Bob, at some point, 511 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,999 would take over the family business. 512 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,999 But, in 1994, his father and his uncle 513 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,999 selected Douglas to become 514 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,999 the next head of the Durst Organization. 515 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,999 ?? 516 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,999 Bob, according to his friends, was just devastated. 517 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,999 This was a crowning humiliation 518 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,999 for Robert Durst 519 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,999 and he began to pull away 520 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,999 from the family. 521 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,999 Robert has resented them ever since. 522 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,999 ?? 523 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000 After he left the Durst Organization, 524 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,999 he led a very wandering kind of existence. 525 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,999 Up to that point, he was getting about $1 million a year, 526 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,999 after taxes, from the Durst trust 527 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,999 and Kathie's case was nothing but a memory. 528 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,050 ?? 529 00:25:43,051 --> 00:25:44,999 Birkbeck: He lived in San Francisco, 530 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,999 in a house in a small town way up north in California. 531 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,999 He had also taken out, under different names, 532 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,999 PO boxes. 533 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,999 He's traveling the country, 534 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,500 living amongst the homeless, 535 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,999 stealing people's identification. 536 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,999 He alternated between living a lifestyle of extreme poverty 537 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,460 and a lifestyle of extreme wealth, from day to day. 538 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,999 Then, about Halloween of 2000, 539 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,999 Bob learns of this new investigation 540 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,999 into Kathie's disappearance 541 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,999 by Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro. 542 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,999 Pirro: I have a lot of questions. 543 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,999 It appears that things are not what they seemed to be in 1982. 544 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,999 A New York state police investigator found that 545 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,999 those eyewitness reports that had seen Kathie Durst 546 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,999 at her apartment in New York were very suspect. 547 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Pirro: The whole essence 548 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,999 of this case was 549 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,999 that Kathleen had boarded a train from Westchester 550 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,999 and arrived in New York City. 551 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,999 Now, we have to question whether or not 552 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000 she even made it to New York City. 553 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Birkbeck: Bob knew, or he was 554 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,999 kind of surmising, 555 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,999 what was happening here. 556 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,999 There's a new investigation, 557 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,999 and he's gonna come under scrutiny, once again, 558 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,999 so, I don't think there's any question 559 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,999 that Bob was in a panic. 560 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,999 Birkbeck: It's 18 years later, now, 561 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,999 and what he does is he runs. 562 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,999 He goes down to Galveston. 563 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Draper: Galveston is, on the surface, 564 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,999 a beach town. 565 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,999 It's also a place where people go to fall between the cracks. 566 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,999 If you've never been to Galveston, 567 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,999 it's kind of a funky place. 568 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,999 Draper: He moved into Avenue K 569 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,999 and it was nobody's idea of a millionaire's dwelling. 570 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,999 It's like $300 a month. 571 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,999 He's gonna pay it in advance. 572 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,999 He claims to be a woman 573 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,999 named Dorothy Ciner. 574 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,999 A name, by the way, which happened to be the name 575 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,999 of a former high school classmate of Durst's, 576 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,999 whom he had not spoken to in decades. 577 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,999 ?? 578 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,999 The spectacle of Dorothy Ciner was that of, obviously, a man 579 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,999 who was not doing the world's best job 580 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,999 of impersonating a woman. 581 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,999 He wasn't fooling anybody. 582 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:17,999 Birkbeck: He's got to be 583 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,320 the worst cross-dressers 584 00:28:19,321 --> 00:28:20,999 in cross-dressing history. 585 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,999 They look at him and they know. This is awful. 586 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Bagli: Bob always said that he was 587 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 a pretty poor woman. 588 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,999 He'd light a cigarette and his hair would go on fire, 589 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,999 so he dressed as a man most of the time. 590 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,999 He was like a cousin to the mute woman, 591 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,999 who sometimes stayed in the apartment. 592 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,999 ?? 593 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,999 So, he's basically on the run 594 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,999 and kind of waiting out things to see what happens. 595 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,999 He doesn't know if he's going to be charged. 596 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,999 He doesn't know what they've got. 597 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,000 ?? 598 00:29:13,741 --> 00:29:15,999 The piece I did for People 599 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,999 came out in early December of 2000. 600 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,999 It was the first national piece. 601 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,999 I had spent maybe three weeks working 602 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000 on this particular story and everyone said to me, 603 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,740 "Matt, you gotta find Susan Berman. 604 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,050 She's the key." 605 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,999 ?? 606 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,999 Bobby, in the 1960s, went to UCLA 607 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,999 and he meets Susan 608 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000 and they just hit it off immediately. 609 00:29:53,001 --> 00:29:55,999 Normal life was not of much interest to Susan. 610 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,999 Everything had to be larger-than-life. 611 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,050 Enter Robert Durst, 612 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,100 So wealthy, his family owned Times Square. 613 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,999 And he finds a kindred spirit in Susan Berman. 614 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,999 She's one of the few people that he actually confides in. 615 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,050 ?? 616 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Silverman: Susan was, in her way, 617 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,999 magnetic. 618 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,999 There was this tremendous energy. 619 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,999 She spoke a mile a minute. 620 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,999 Upon introduction to her, she listed every neurosis she had. 621 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,999 Her father, who was Davie Berman in Las Vegas. 622 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Silverman: "Davie the Jew" Berman, he was 623 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,999 friends with Bugsy Siegel. 624 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,999 She relished it ... "I'm a gangster's daughter!" 625 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,999 It was a wonderful pedigree, where Susan was concerned. 626 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,999 ?? 627 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,999 Bagli: They had something in common. 628 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,999 Bob had lost his mother at a young age. 629 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,999 Susan had lost both her parents at a relatively young age, 630 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,999 so that really bound them tightly together. 631 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,999 ?? 632 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000 Birkbeck: That friendship continues on 633 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,999 through the '60s. 634 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,999 She moves to New York in the 1970s. 635 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000 She was working on magazine pieces. 636 00:31:06,001 --> 00:31:07,999 They go to all the big clubs. 637 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,999 And so, they became very, very close. 638 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,999 Susan's career was, at that point, soaring. 639 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,999 Her memoir was published ... 640 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,999 discovering that her father was a gangster. 641 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,999 When did it dawn on you that your father was 642 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,999 just not a nice guy running a business? 643 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,999 Well, I was only 12 when he died, Lee, 644 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,999 and I grew up really believing I was sort of 645 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,999 from the aristocratic Las Vegas family. 646 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Bagli: Susan was, like Bob, 647 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,999 a storyteller 648 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,999 and she liked to embellish stories 649 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,999 to make the stories more interesting, more compelling. 650 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,999 Within a year after Kathie went missing, 651 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,999 Susan Berman moved to Los Angeles 652 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,999 to establish herself as a screenwriter. 653 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,999 But as her life continues on, 654 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,999 she's not a very successful writer 655 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,999 and she declares bankruptcy in the 1990s. 656 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,999 Susan was desperate. 657 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,999 She had no money. 658 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,999 By the time that a new investigation, in 2000, 659 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,999 was looking into the disappearance of Kathie, 660 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,999 Susan was reaching out to Bob. 661 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,999 Letting him know that she was having a hard time 662 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,999 and could he help her out? 663 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,999 ?? 664 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,999 At some point, Susan told Bob, as Bob has related, 665 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,999 that the authorities had reached out to her and that she said, 666 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,999 "Well, I think it's best that I talk to them." 667 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,999 What's key to that is that the police 668 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,999 did not reach out to Susan. 669 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,999 They had yet to call her. 670 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,050 So that was a lie. 671 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,999 But Susan may have had her own reasons for lying. 672 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,999 ?? 673 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,999 Susan, by all accounts, was very loyal to Bob, 674 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,999 but she may have been trying to gin Bob up 675 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,999 so that he would definitely send her the money. 676 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,999 ?? 677 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,999 Susan needed the money to live, 678 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,999 and getting that money any way that was necessary. 679 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,999 By November of 2000, 680 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,999 Bob had sent her two checks, 681 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,999 each for $25,000. 682 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,999 ?? 683 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,999 And she was telling friends that she was very excited 684 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000 'cause Bobby was coming to visit during the Christmas holidays. 685 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,999 ?? 686 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000 [Barking] Susan Berman's dogs, 687 00:33:34,001 --> 00:33:35,999 they had gotten out of the house 688 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,100 and were running around the neighborhood. 689 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Bagli: Her neighbors knew that 690 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,999 she would never allow that 691 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,999 and they called the police. 692 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,999 The back door was open. 693 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,999 The front was unlocked. 694 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,999 They find a body on the floor, 695 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,999 shot in the back of the head. 696 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,999 I remember there was a slug, not even a headline, 697 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,999 "Screenwriter dead." 698 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,999 ?? 699 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,999 Susan Berman. 700 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,999 I froze. 701 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Bagli: There were no signs 702 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,999 of forced entry. 703 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,999 The police assumed that Susan knew 704 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,999 the person that she let into the house. 705 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,999 Among Susan's 1,001 phobias 706 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,999 was letting a stranger into her house. 707 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,999 ?? 708 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,999 She would only allow in people she knew, period. 709 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Bagli: She was walking 710 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,999 towards the bedroom 711 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,999 when whoever she let into the house 712 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,640 came right up behind her, put the gun next to her head, 713 00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:35,999 and blew her away. 714 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,999 [Barking] 715 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,999 The thought of Susan in a pool of blood, 716 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,999 how she loved her dogs. 717 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,999 But just Susan. Poor Susan. 718 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,999 [Siren wailing] 719 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,999 Bagli: In the very beginning, 720 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,999 the police were looking at different suspects. 721 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,999 There was speculation that this could've been a mob hit. 722 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,999 There had been all this talk about Susan Berman, 723 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,999 how she was working on some mob book, 724 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,999 and friends would say, "Oh, 725 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,999 she said she was gonna blow the lid off of something." 726 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Silverman: And I just thought, "That's 727 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,999 the most ridiculous thing 728 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,999 I've ever read." 729 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,999 The same day that Susan was killed, 730 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,999 someone had addressed an envelope 731 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,999 to "Beverley Hills Police," 732 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,999 and they spelled "Beverly" incorrectly. 733 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,999 Birkbeck: It says there's a cadaver 734 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,999 and he writes the address 735 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,999 and the address was Susan Berman's home. 736 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,050 ?? 737 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,999 So whoever wrote it didn't want her body to rot there. 738 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,999 Wanted someone to find it. 739 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,999 ?? 740 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,999 But no one really knows what's going on here. 741 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,999 A lot of people suspect Bobby Durst, 742 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,999 and other people don't. 743 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,999 Jeanine Pirro, the Westchester county DA, 744 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,999 was very suspicious about the timing of Susan Berman's murder. 745 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,999 I think Susan Berman's death was very significant, 746 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,999 in terms of this investigation. 747 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,999 She was someone that we had wanted to speak with. 748 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Bagli: I went out to Los Angeles 749 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,999 to find out what had happened. 750 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,999 I did interview some of Susan's friends and family 751 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,999 and all of them told me the same thing ... 752 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,680 "Bobby had nothing to do with this. 753 00:36:09,681 --> 00:36:10,999 Bobby loved Susie. 754 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,999 Susie loved Bobby." 755 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,000 ?? 756 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,999 Two months after Robert Durst finds out 757 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,999 that New York prosecutors are looking 758 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,999 into the disappearance of his wife Kathie, 759 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,999 Susan Berman turns up dead. 760 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,999 The fact that Susan was going 761 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,999 to be interrogated by the district attorney 762 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,999 would pose a threat to someone who felt 763 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,999 she had knowledge that he or she did not wish to get out there, 764 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,999 because Susan just might spill. 765 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,999 She was a loose cannon. 766 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 ?? 767 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,999 ?? 768 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,999 So, Bobby's kind of laying low in Galveston. 769 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,999 He maintained that he had nothing to do 770 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,999 with the disappearance and presumed death 771 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,999 of his wife Kathie; 772 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,999 or with the murder of his best friend, 773 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,999 Susan Berman; but he certainly knew 774 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,999 that people suspected him of those things. 775 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,999 And didn't want anyone to know that he was in Galveston. 776 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,999 It was 10 months after Susan Berman's murder 777 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,999 that Robert Durst was charged with the murder of Morris Black 778 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,999 and subsequently jumped bail. 779 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,999 The news is out that he's now on the run. 780 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,999 We'd actually reached out to "America's Most Wanted." 781 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,999 We wanted the Durst case profiled on that show. 782 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,999 ?? 783 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Birkbeck: He walks into a supermarket 784 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,999 and it's on video. 785 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,999 He just shoplifts. 786 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Hammer: He was caught by Wegmans 787 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,999 store personnel, 788 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,999 stealing a sandwich. 789 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,999 They also caught him on camera 790 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,999 taking Band-Aids out of a box 791 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,999 and putting them on himself. 792 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,999 ?? 793 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,999 The total theft was $9.18. 794 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Hammer: Standard procedure ... 795 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,999 he was Patted down. 796 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,999 He had almost $500 in cash in his pocket. 797 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Morganelli: The police thought 798 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,999 he was agitated. 799 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160 When they asked him why he stole this stuff, 800 00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:04,999 he just said, "Well, I'm just an asshole." 801 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,999 The officer didn't immediately know who he had. 802 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,999 He actually gave his real name, Robert Durst, 803 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,999 but he gave a Social Security number 804 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,999 which was not an accurate number 805 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,999 and then later clarified it 806 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,999 and gave a second Social Security number. 807 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,999 ?? 808 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,999 And then, the police officer turns around and says, 809 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,500 "Have you ever been in Texas?" 810 00:39:23,501 --> 00:39:24,999 And Bobby just stopped talking. 811 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,999 He knew he got caught. 812 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,999 A computer check revealed 813 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,999 that Durst was wanted for murder in Galveston, Texas; 814 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,999 is a suspect in Los Angeles; 815 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000 and Westchester County, New York. 816 00:39:37,721 --> 00:39:41,999 When a search warrant was executed on his car, 817 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,999 we found $37,000 in cash, 818 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,999 a small amount of marijuana, 819 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,999 and two more handguns. 820 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,999 He had rented a vehicle, pretending to be Morris Black. 821 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,999 Putnal: His head was shaved. 822 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,999 His eyebrows were shaved. 823 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000 He was clearly an interesting- looking character. 824 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000 I was shocked to learn that he'd been arrested. 825 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,999 The most wealthy man probably to ever be 826 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,999 in the United States criminal justice system 827 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,999 was arrested for stealing a sandwich and Band-Aids. 828 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000 ?? 829 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,999 It really just belies or reveals 830 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,999 the true psychology of Robert Durst, 831 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,999 that he is above the law, 832 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,999 he doesn't have to pay for anything, 833 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,999 whether it's a murder charge 834 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,999 or whether it's a chicken sandwich. 835 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,999 ?? 836 00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,999 Reporter: Robert Durst says Morris Black 837 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,100 was accidentally killed in self-defense. 838 00:41:02,101 --> 00:41:04,999 If Morris Black was here right now, he'd be saying, 839 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,999 "I'm thinking two words, 840 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,999 and one of them's 'bull'!" 841 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,999 They're saying that Durst shot Morris Black 842 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000 [Gunshot] dead-center in the back 843 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,999 of his head, 844 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,999 but you can't say that 845 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 'cause you don't have the head! 846 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,999 Reporter: A new, stunning revelation. 847 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000 I stood up and gasped. 848 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,999 I do want to say I am not guilty. 849 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,999 There is no forensic evidence, whatsoever, linking Bob 850 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,999 to Mrs. Durst's disappearance 851 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,999 or Ms. Berman's murder. 852 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,999 Anything he does is pretty much calculated. 853 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,999 That's how cold this man is. 854 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,999 ?? 855 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,999 Robert Durst was sent back to Galveston 856 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,999 to stand trial for the murder of Morris Black. 857 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 He agreed to testify before the jury. 858 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,999 The details of what happened to Mr. Black 859 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,999 were violent and disturbing. 860 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,999 The verdict, and another shocking twist, 861 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,999 in part 2 of "Robert Durst." 862 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,999 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 863 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,999 Thanks for watching. Good night. 864 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000 ?? 865 00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:12,600 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 63061

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