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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Robert Durst is a wealthy
heir to a billion-dollar fortune.
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He's best known for his connection
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to three bizarre and highly
publicized incidents ...
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his wife's sudden disappearance,
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his neighbor's violent death,
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and his best friend's murder.
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Durst has been described as a man
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of stunning contradictions,
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who left a world of power and privilege
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to live life in the shadows.
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His story is complicated, mysterious,
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and, at times, truly scary.
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Here's part 1 of "Robert Durst,"
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"The World's Worst Fugitive."
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[Birds peeping]
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Putnal: It's an isolated area
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of Galveston.
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It was the remnants of maybe an old pier or dock.
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Criss: A man and his son
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are fishing.
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And the son sees a bag wash up.
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The son said, "Hey, Dad, look at this."
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Criss: The bag had a torso in it.
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[Siren wailing]
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Putnal: We sent our dive team out.
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We recovered additional bags
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that contained the legs and the arms.
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But there's no head.
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If the head was in the
water, we would've found it,
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and it was not in that water.
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It takes a special kind
of evil to have it within you,
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the ability to actually cut a body up.
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I've seen a lot of bodies
of people who've been murdered.
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This was really chilling.
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And there's a big fear in the community.
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It's like, "Is there somebody out here
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who has the entire community in danger?"
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??
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In one of the bags that the body parts were in
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was a newspaper and the newspaper had an address.
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It immediately led police
to the house on Avenue K
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and they could figure out pretty
quickly who the dead man was.
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Birkbeck: The guy that lived there
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was Morris Black.
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They go searching through Black's apartment.
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What we found particularly interesting ...
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when we processed the scene for blood,
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we found a blood trail leading
from Morris Black's apartment
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to the apartment across the hall.
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So the police quickly contact the landlord
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and they find out that the identity of the person
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who rents apartment number 2
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is Dorothy Ciner,
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who the landlord described
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as a particularly unattractive female.
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And, oh, by the way, she's a deaf-mute.
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Dorothy Ciner indicated she
may not be around consistently.
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Neighbors had seen the resident from apartment 2
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loading garbage bags into
his vehicle the previous day.
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The police went through the garbage
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in the back of the house.
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Putnal: We found a .22 handgun.
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We believed there was a strong possibility that
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that .22 handgun was the murder weapon.
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The police had also found an appointment slip
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for an eye doctor.
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In the name of Robert Durst.
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The police figured out Dorothy Ciner
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is actually Robert Durst.
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The police staked out the doctor's office
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and, when Bob came,
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they pulled up behind him and arrested him.
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And in the car was the usual bag of pot
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and a gun.
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Reporter: Police recovered
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a 9-millimeter handgun
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and a bow saw from Durst's car.
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Inside his apartment, a
pair of bloody boots and a knife.
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Birkbeck: The floor was all cut up.
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There had been blood everywhere.
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They take him down to the station
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and they charge him with murder
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and possession of marijuana.
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He definitely has a sick mind,
to be able to dismember a body,
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you know, cut off the head and arms and legs.
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Putnal: He was just another
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suspect to us.
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You know, we had no idea what his background was.
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And bail is set at $300,000.
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The jailer says something
to him like, "You got it?"
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And he goes, "Well, not in my pocket."
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They don't have a clue
who they're dealing with, here.
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And he asks to make a phone call,
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and he does.
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The money was wired.
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He was out the next morning.
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We did not really anticipate
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that he could make that bond so easily,
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particularly in light of how he was living,
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where he was living, and how he carried himself.
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Then, people from New York began
calling the police department,
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to find out if this person
was the same Robert Durst related
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to the Durst Organization from New York City.
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I'm at my desk at The New York Times
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and we get a tip
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that Bob Durst had been arrested
for murder in Galveston, Texas.
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And I was shocked.
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I thought, "Could this be our Bob Durst?!"
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The same Robert Durst whose
wife has been missing for 20 years.
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Putnal: Now, we're finding out that he
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was masquerading as a woman
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and he knows how to chop up a body.
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And that was the first time
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that the people in Galveston started realizing,
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"Oh, there's even more to this story."
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When he made bond, he's
given a date for his arraignment,
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where he has to appear back in court.
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Reporter: Today, Durst was due in court,
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but didn't show.
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We understood who Robert Durst was, by then.
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Of course, immediately,
our concerns became his ability
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to escape and flee anywhere in the world
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because of financial means.
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Immediately, warrants were issued for his arrest.
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We realized that we had a fugitive from justice.
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After his arrest for the murder of Morris Black,
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Robert Durst goes on the lam.
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He's a fugitive from justice.
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He jumps bail.
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Robert, if you see this
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or hear this, please come home.
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You're in a very dangerous situation,
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as a fugitive in a massive manhunt
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in this country.
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This news is of particular interest
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to the friends and family
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of Kathie Durst,
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Robert Durst's former wife,
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a woman no one has seen
for more than two decades.
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Strauss: Once I heard she disappeared,
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everything Kathie ever said came back to me.
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I think I knew pretty fast
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Bob and Kathie, when they met,
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they were completely smitten with each other,
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right from the beginning.
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She was 19 and she was a dental assistant
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and she rented an apartment
in a Durst-owned building.
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Bagli: And her roommate bumped
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into an old friend of Bob's
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and he said, "Oh, I'm going to a party.
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Would you like to come?"
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Everyone thought it was love at first sight.
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Mayer: Kathie was strikingly pretty.
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Bob was always a little...
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distant.
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They came from very different worlds.
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Bob came from a world of privilege,
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and Kathie came from a small town
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out in Long Island, blue-collar family.
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It was a fast-moving romance.
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It was really only the second or third date
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when Bob asked her to move to Vermont with him
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and open this health food store, All Good Things.
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Kathie settled into helping run the store.
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They were just having a good time.
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People have asked me what did I think of Bob
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when I first met him?
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I've always thought he was shy
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and, many times, he would literally walk away
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from a dialogue that was
going on and just be gone.
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He used to burp or light
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seemingly amused by people's reactions.
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Kathie's knowledge of who and what Bob was
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was very limited.
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She just met a guy that she was attracted to
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and he asked her to come
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The Durst family was actually one
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of New York City's royal real-estate families.
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They owned about a dozen
skyscrapers in Manhattan.
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And Bob, it was assumed for many years,
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was the heir apparent to
this vast real-estate empire.
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McCormack: Kathie was aware
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of his lack of interest
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in the New York scene, the business scene.
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I don't think he felt that he was
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cut out to be a real-estate icon.
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But, after a couple of years in Vermont,
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Robert and Kathie return to New York.
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McCormack: He was called back
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to the family business
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and he went kind of reluctantly.
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Kathie and Bob got married April 12, 1973.
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They keep an apartment in the city,
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but they also have a country home
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about an hour and a half north.
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A breaking point in the relationship came
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later in the '70s, when she got pregnant
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and Bob didn't want to have children
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and he forced her to have an abortion.
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And that devastated her.
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I think, at that point,
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Kathie embarked on a more independent path.
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When she finished nursing school,
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she immediately was applying to medical school.
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Birkbeck: Which infuriated him, now.
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He initially wants her to have a career
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and, now she's working towards having a career
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and that makes him really angry, now.
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So, very soon, Robert and Kathie's marriage
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really began to spiral downwards.
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We know that she went once to Jacobi hospital
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for treatment, for some bruises.
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She didn't tell them specifically that
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that was her husband.
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Their relationship becomes so toxic
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that he just completely cuts her off,
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to where she's begging
for money from her friends.
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As the marriage was disintegrating,
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Kathie went out and found a divorce lawyer.
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She didn't want to just abandon the marriage
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and get out with nothing.
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She wasn't that interested in money,
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but I think she wanted enough to be able
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to finish medical school, maybe open a practice.
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I think that Bob was afraid
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of what a divorce settlement would mean,
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in terms of how much money
that he would have to hand over.
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Strauss: Kathie went
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through Bob's papers.
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She thought she had things on him
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that she could use in a divorce.
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Bagli: Kathie put together
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a little dossier.
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We don't know exactly what was in this file,
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but, it had something to do, possibly,
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with Bob's tax records
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or about the Durst Organization.
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And then, it got really
nasty 'cause then she started
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to threaten him and the Durst family.
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She had information. She said she sent it
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to a certain senator in New York.
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??
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She was terrified of what
the repercussions would be.
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Kathie's friends told the police that,
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in the months before her disappearance,
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she had been afraid for her life.
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And, in fact, her next-door neighbors
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at the apartment in New York City
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described a very disturbing incident.
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??
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One night, she crawled over the divider
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between their two terraces in her pajamas...
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[Banging on window]
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...and was banging on the
window for them to let her in,
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saying, "He's got a gun."
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??
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Katherine stated that Bob had beat her
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and that he "wants to kill her.
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She further stated that he had a gun
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and she was afraid of being shot."
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By that time, her marriage
was sort of in shambles.
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She said to more than one person ...
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"If anything ever happens to me, look to Bob."
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??
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Reporter: Galveston police are convinced
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58-year-old Robert Durst
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killed and dismembered
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his 71-year-old neighbor
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Morris Black.
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??
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Man: Right now, we have
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two outstanding warrants
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on Mr. Durst.
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Now he's a fugitive from the law
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and the question is, "Where is he?"
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He had the means to evade detection,
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much less prosecution.
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He's very good at hiding the truth,
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from as early as I got to know him.
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??
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The first time I was
aware that there was an issue
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was February 4th.
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Bob's on the phone and
he goes, "Jim, this is Bob.
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Have you seen Kathie?"
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And I go, "No. What do you mean?"
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He goes, "I can't find her."
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Kathie Durst is months away from graduating
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from medical school and she just disappears.
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It wasn't until later that week that Bobby goes
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into a New York City police station,
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with his dog, and reports Kathie missing.
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Bob walked into the 20th Precinct
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and threw his weight around
by throwing down a magazine
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with his father's picture on the cover.
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It's "The Men Who Own New York."
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Donald Trump, Helmsley ...
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there's five men, all power brokers
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in real estate in New York ... and Seymour Durst.
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That was a way to say, "This is who I am."
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It was to give him some kind of authority.
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He says, "I haven't seen my wife
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and she's been missing for five days
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and I'm wondering if maybe
something happened to her."
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Draper: He didn't seem particularly
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alarmed or upset.
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He said, instead, that she had probably
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gone off to score drugs.
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Bobby's story was that they had a fight.
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He drove her to the train station,
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put her on a train around 9:00,
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and that was the last he had seen of her.
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At one point, he said he talked to her
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after she was back at the apartment.
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The police believe that she reached New York City
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and that she disappeared from there.
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Reporter: Police have been
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searching the building,
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37 Riverside Drive,
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where the Dursts occupied a penthouse.
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They say, so far, they have
found no evidence of foul play.
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When the police went to their apartment building
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to try and determine what happened to Kathie,
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there was a doorman, who told them
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that Kathie returned to the building
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and that he took her up in the elevator.
359
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??
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And then, there was a doorman who claimed
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that he saw Kathie leave the
building the following morning.
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??
363
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One other thing was that someone,
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identifying themselves as Kathie,
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called the dean of students the next day
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at her medical school
and said, "I'm Kathie Durst.
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I don't feel well today and I'm not coming in."
368
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,999
??
369
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Good evening. She talked
on the telephone with her husband
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and with a supervisor at a medical center,
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then, she vanished.
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No one wanted to listen to us,
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that anything that happened to Kathie
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happened at their house in South Salem.
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We think she never got to New York,
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never went to the train.
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??
378
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Bob did some things that aroused the suspicion
379
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of Kathie's friends and Kathie's family,
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and they became sort of amateur sleuths,
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looking for clues about what happened.
382
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??
383
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At some point, we made a midnight run...
384
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??
385
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...and we took his garbage
386
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and we went through it, piece by piece.
387
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,999
??
388
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He was throwing away her clothes, her books,
389
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her papers, her makeup.
390
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??
391
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There was never a thorough search
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of the house in South Salem.
393
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It became clear to the authorities
394
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that Robert Durst was certainly
not being very expansive
395
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about what could've happened to his own wife,
396
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but he maintained that he had nothing to do
397
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with her disappearance.
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Bagli: However, a lot of the things
399
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that he said
400
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were quickly disproven.
401
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,999
He told the police that
he dropped her at the station
402
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and came back to my house for drinks.
403
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,999
He did not come to my house for a drink.
404
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,999
He told police that, well,
maybe he didn't have the drink.
405
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,999
Maybe he took the dog for a walk,
406
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found a phone booth in the driving rain,
407
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and called Kathie.
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He later admitted that
none of those things were true.
409
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One person who did seem to know an awful lot
410
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,999
was this old friend, Susan Berman,
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who Robert met at UCLA.
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Bobby was the friend of
whom she was the most proud,
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00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,999
because of his family, family connections,
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who his family was.
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Birkbeck: She was the closest person
416
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to Bobby back in 1982.
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She knew everything that was going on.
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Bagli: When Kathie disappeared,
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Susan was his shield, in dealing with the press.
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We know this because Susan called a friend,
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who recorded the phone call.
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This was only eight or nine
days after Kathie disappeared.
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And she seems to be testing
out different theories
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about what happened to Kathie.
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It's sort of Harrowing to
listen to the recording today.
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Today, the authorities believe
427
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that the call to Kathie's medical school
428
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was made, not by Kathie,
429
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but by Susan Berman.
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When I read that someone, thought to be Kathie,
431
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called the dean of the medical school
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and described every malady in her body,
433
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I thought, "who does that?
434
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Susan does that."
435
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,999
She had a relationship with members of the press,
436
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,999
of kind of normalizing Robert Durst.
437
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,999
She claims that Bobby is worried, grief-Stricken,
438
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,999
that Kathie hung around with some bad people,
439
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,999
involved in drugs, and that
they needed to be looking there.
440
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In the news today, a reward of $100,000
441
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offered by a husband
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to help find his missing wife.
443
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,999
This was headlines in the tabloid newspapers
444
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and there was a lot of attention,
445
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,999
but, slowly, it peters
out when there were no leads.
446
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,999
The investigation, for the
most part, is actually shut down.
447
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,999
There's very little evidence.
448
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,999
There's no body. There's no crime scene, even.
449
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,999
He's not charged.
450
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,999
It disappeared from the headlines.
451
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,999
It was quiet.
452
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,999
The police may have ignored
it, but I didn't forget.
453
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:41,000
??
454
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000
??
455
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,999
Welcome back to "Very Scary People."
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Family and friends were shocked and worried
457
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,999
when Kathie Durst vanished without a trace.
458
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,999
A cloud of suspicion hung over Robert Durst.
459
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,999
No one ever heard from
Kathie after she disappeared,
460
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,999
but police said there was not enough evidence
461
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,999
to prove a crime had been committed.
462
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000
Eventually, the story faded from the headlines.
463
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,999
??
464
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Bagli: Bob, he was working
465
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at the family business
466
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,999
at the time that Kathie vanished.
467
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000
His brother Douglas had also
gone into the family business.
468
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,999
There was friction between him and Douglas
469
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from, probably, the moment they were born.
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I don't think they ever trusted each other.
471
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Douglas tells a story
that Bob would sometimes come
472
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into his office and pee in the wastebasket
473
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and his behavior was increasingly erratic.
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A defining moment for
Bob, and for the Durst family,
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00:23:03,001 --> 00:23:04,999
came in 1950.
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00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,999
Their mother died a very tragic death.
477
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Birkbeck: It was a cold night
478
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and it was a steep roof
479
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and someone saw her out there
480
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,999
and they called the fire department,
481
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,999
and a guy was going up the
ladder to try to get her down.
482
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[Siren wailing] Bagli: And his mother
483
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000
either fell or jumped.
484
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,999
Bob always told his friends
that he saw his mother fall,
485
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,999
but other family members
would contradict him on that.
486
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,999
His brother Douglas stated
that all four of the Durst children
487
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were just whisked out of the house that night
488
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,999
and that none of them
actually saw their mother fall.
489
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,999
Bagli: Robert was the oldest.
490
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,999
He was about six, seven years old
491
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,999
and the death of his mother was something
492
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,999
that he carried with
him for the rest of his life,
493
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,999
sometimes blaming his father
for his mother's problems.
494
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,999
??
495
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,999
And it led to a lot of the fighting
496
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,999
between him and his brother.
497
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,999
??
498
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,999
At a certain point, his grandfather
499
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,999
encouraged them to go see a psychiatrist.
500
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,999
"It was Dr. Schonfeld's
opinion that Robert's hostility
501
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,999
toward his father and his younger brother
502
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,999
was of such intensity that it might constitute
503
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a deconstructive, psychodynamic force
504
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,999
sufficient to produce
a personality decomposition."
505
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,999
??
506
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,999
Birkbeck: It describes his mental state.
507
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,999
This is at 10 years old.
508
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,999
??
509
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,999
Going into the 1980s,
510
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,999
most people assumed that Bob, at some point,
511
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,999
would take over the family business.
512
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,999
But, in 1994, his father and his uncle
513
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,999
selected Douglas to become
514
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,999
the next head of the Durst Organization.
515
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,999
??
516
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,999
Bob, according to his
friends, was just devastated.
517
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,999
This was a crowning humiliation
518
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,999
for Robert Durst
519
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,999
and he began to pull away
520
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,999
from the family.
521
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,999
Robert has resented them ever since.
522
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,999
??
523
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
After he left the Durst Organization,
524
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,999
he led a very wandering kind of existence.
525
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,999
Up to that point, he was
getting about $1 million a year,
526
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,999
after taxes, from the Durst trust
527
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,999
and Kathie's case was nothing but a memory.
528
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,050
??
529
00:25:43,051 --> 00:25:44,999
Birkbeck: He lived in San Francisco,
530
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,999
in a house in a small town
way up north in California.
531
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,999
He had also taken out, under different names,
532
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,999
PO boxes.
533
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,999
He's traveling the country,
534
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,500
living amongst the homeless,
535
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,999
stealing people's identification.
536
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,999
He alternated between living
a lifestyle of extreme poverty
537
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,460
and a lifestyle of extreme
wealth, from day to day.
538
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,999
Then, about Halloween of 2000,
539
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,999
Bob learns of this new investigation
540
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,999
into Kathie's disappearance
541
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,999
by Westchester County District
Attorney Jeanine Pirro.
542
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,999
Pirro: I have a lot of questions.
543
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,999
It appears that things are
not what they seemed to be in 1982.
544
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,999
A New York state police investigator found that
545
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,999
those eyewitness reports
that had seen Kathie Durst
546
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,999
at her apartment in New York were very suspect.
547
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Pirro: The whole essence
548
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,999
of this case was
549
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,999
that Kathleen had boarded
a train from Westchester
550
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,999
and arrived in New York City.
551
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,999
Now, we have to question whether or not
552
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
she even made it to New York City.
553
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Birkbeck: Bob knew, or he was
554
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,999
kind of surmising,
555
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,999
what was happening here.
556
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,999
There's a new investigation,
557
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,999
and he's gonna come under scrutiny, once again,
558
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,999
so, I don't think there's any question
559
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,999
that Bob was in a panic.
560
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,999
Birkbeck: It's 18 years later, now,
561
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,999
and what he does is he runs.
562
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,999
He goes down to Galveston.
563
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Draper: Galveston is, on the surface,
564
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a beach town.
565
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,999
It's also a place where people
go to fall between the cracks.
566
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,999
If you've never been to Galveston,
567
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,999
it's kind of a funky place.
568
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,999
Draper: He moved into Avenue K
569
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,999
and it was nobody's idea
of a millionaire's dwelling.
570
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,999
It's like $300 a month.
571
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,999
He's gonna pay it in advance.
572
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,999
He claims to be a woman
573
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,999
named Dorothy Ciner.
574
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,999
A name, by the way, which happened to be the name
575
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,999
of a former high school classmate of Durst's,
576
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,999
whom he had not spoken to in decades.
577
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,999
??
578
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,999
The spectacle of Dorothy Ciner
was that of, obviously, a man
579
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,999
who was not doing the world's best job
580
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,999
of impersonating a woman.
581
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,999
He wasn't fooling anybody.
582
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:17,999
Birkbeck: He's got to be
583
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,320
the worst cross-dressers
584
00:28:19,321 --> 00:28:20,999
in cross-dressing history.
585
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,999
They look at him and they know. This is awful.
586
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Bagli: Bob always said that he was
587
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000
a pretty poor woman.
588
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,999
He'd light a cigarette
and his hair would go on fire,
589
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,999
so he dressed as a man most of the time.
590
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,999
He was like a cousin to the mute woman,
591
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,999
who sometimes stayed in the apartment.
592
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,999
??
593
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,999
So, he's basically on the run
594
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,999
and kind of waiting out
things to see what happens.
595
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,999
He doesn't know if he's going to be charged.
596
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,999
He doesn't know what they've got.
597
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,000
??
598
00:29:13,741 --> 00:29:15,999
The piece I did for People
599
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,999
came out in early December of 2000.
600
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,999
It was the first national piece.
601
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,999
I had spent maybe three weeks working
602
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000
on this particular story and everyone said to me,
603
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,740
"Matt, you gotta find Susan Berman.
604
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,050
She's the key."
605
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,999
??
606
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,999
Bobby, in the 1960s, went to UCLA
607
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,999
and he meets Susan
608
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
and they just hit it off immediately.
609
00:29:53,001 --> 00:29:55,999
Normal life was not of much interest to Susan.
610
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,999
Everything had to be larger-than-life.
611
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,050
Enter Robert Durst,
612
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,100
So wealthy, his family owned Times Square.
613
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,999
And he finds a kindred spirit in Susan Berman.
614
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,999
She's one of the few people
that he actually confides in.
615
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,050
??
616
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Silverman: Susan was, in her way,
617
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,999
magnetic.
618
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,999
There was this tremendous energy.
619
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,999
She spoke a mile a minute.
620
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,999
Upon introduction to her,
she listed every neurosis she had.
621
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,999
Her father, who was Davie Berman in Las Vegas.
622
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Silverman: "Davie the Jew" Berman, he was
623
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,999
friends with Bugsy Siegel.
624
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,999
She relished it ... "I'm a gangster's daughter!"
625
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,999
It was a wonderful pedigree,
where Susan was concerned.
626
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,999
??
627
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,999
Bagli: They had something in common.
628
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,999
Bob had lost his mother at a young age.
629
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,999
Susan had lost both her parents
at a relatively young age,
630
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,999
so that really bound them tightly together.
631
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,999
??
632
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Birkbeck: That friendship continues on
633
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,999
through the '60s.
634
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,999
She moves to New York in the 1970s.
635
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
She was working on magazine pieces.
636
00:31:06,001 --> 00:31:07,999
They go to all the big clubs.
637
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,999
And so, they became very, very close.
638
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,999
Susan's career was, at that point, soaring.
639
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,999
Her memoir was published ...
640
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,999
discovering that her father was a gangster.
641
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,999
When did it dawn on you that your father was
642
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,999
just not a nice guy running a business?
643
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,999
Well, I was only 12 when he died, Lee,
644
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,999
and I grew up really believing I was sort of
645
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,999
from the aristocratic Las Vegas family.
646
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Bagli: Susan was, like Bob,
647
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,999
a storyteller
648
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,999
and she liked to embellish stories
649
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,999
to make the stories more
interesting, more compelling.
650
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,999
Within a year after Kathie went missing,
651
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,999
Susan Berman moved to Los Angeles
652
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,999
to establish herself as a screenwriter.
653
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,999
But as her life continues on,
654
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,999
she's not a very successful writer
655
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,999
and she declares bankruptcy in the 1990s.
656
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,999
Susan was desperate.
657
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,999
She had no money.
658
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,999
By the time that a new investigation, in 2000,
659
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,999
was looking into the disappearance of Kathie,
660
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,999
Susan was reaching out to Bob.
661
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,999
Letting him know that she was having a hard time
662
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,999
and could he help her out?
663
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,999
??
664
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,999
At some point, Susan
told Bob, as Bob has related,
665
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,999
that the authorities had reached
out to her and that she said,
666
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,999
"Well, I think it's best that I talk to them."
667
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,999
What's key to that is that the police
668
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,999
did not reach out to Susan.
669
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,999
They had yet to call her.
670
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,050
So that was a lie.
671
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,999
But Susan may have had her own reasons for lying.
672
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,999
??
673
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,999
Susan, by all accounts, was very loyal to Bob,
674
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,999
but she may have been trying to gin Bob up
675
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,999
so that he would definitely send her the money.
676
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,999
??
677
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,999
Susan needed the money to live,
678
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,999
and getting that money
any way that was necessary.
679
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,999
By November of 2000,
680
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,999
Bob had sent her two checks,
681
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,999
each for $25,000.
682
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,999
??
683
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,999
And she was telling friends
that she was very excited
684
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000
'cause Bobby was coming to visit
during the Christmas holidays.
685
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,999
??
686
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
[Barking] Susan Berman's dogs,
687
00:33:34,001 --> 00:33:35,999
they had gotten out of the house
688
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,100
and were running around the neighborhood.
689
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Bagli: Her neighbors knew that
690
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,999
she would never allow that
691
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,999
and they called the police.
692
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,999
The back door was open.
693
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,999
The front was unlocked.
694
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,999
They find a body on the floor,
695
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,999
shot in the back of the head.
696
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,999
I remember there was a slug, not even a headline,
697
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,999
"Screenwriter dead."
698
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,999
??
699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,999
Susan Berman.
700
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,999
I froze.
701
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Bagli: There were no signs
702
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,999
of forced entry.
703
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,999
The police assumed that Susan knew
704
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,999
the person that she let into the house.
705
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,999
Among Susan's 1,001 phobias
706
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,999
was letting a stranger into her house.
707
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,999
??
708
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,999
She would only allow in people she knew, period.
709
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Bagli: She was walking
710
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,999
towards the bedroom
711
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,999
when whoever she let into the house
712
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,640
came right up behind her,
put the gun next to her head,
713
00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:35,999
and blew her away.
714
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,999
[Barking]
715
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,999
The thought of Susan in a pool of blood,
716
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,999
how she loved her dogs.
717
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,999
But just Susan. Poor Susan.
718
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,999
[Siren wailing]
719
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,999
Bagli: In the very beginning,
720
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,999
the police were looking at different suspects.
721
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,999
There was speculation that
this could've been a mob hit.
722
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,999
There had been all this talk about Susan Berman,
723
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,999
how she was working on some mob book,
724
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,999
and friends would say, "Oh,
725
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,999
she said she was gonna
blow the lid off of something."
726
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Silverman: And I just thought, "That's
727
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,999
the most ridiculous thing
728
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,999
I've ever read."
729
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,999
The same day that Susan was killed,
730
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,999
someone had addressed an envelope
731
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,999
to "Beverley Hills Police,"
732
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,999
and they spelled "Beverly" incorrectly.
733
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,999
Birkbeck: It says there's a cadaver
734
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,999
and he writes the address
735
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,999
and the address was Susan Berman's home.
736
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,050
??
737
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,999
So whoever wrote it didn't
want her body to rot there.
738
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,999
Wanted someone to find it.
739
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,999
??
740
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,999
But no one really knows what's going on here.
741
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,999
A lot of people suspect Bobby Durst,
742
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,999
and other people don't.
743
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,999
Jeanine Pirro, the Westchester county DA,
744
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,999
was very suspicious about the
timing of Susan Berman's murder.
745
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,999
I think Susan Berman's
death was very significant,
746
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,999
in terms of this investigation.
747
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,999
She was someone that we had wanted to speak with.
748
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Bagli: I went out to Los Angeles
749
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,999
to find out what had happened.
750
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,999
I did interview some
of Susan's friends and family
751
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,999
and all of them told me the same thing ...
752
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,680
"Bobby had nothing to do with this.
753
00:36:09,681 --> 00:36:10,999
Bobby loved Susie.
754
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,999
Susie loved Bobby."
755
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,000
??
756
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,999
Two months after Robert Durst finds out
757
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,999
that New York prosecutors are looking
758
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,999
into the disappearance of his wife Kathie,
759
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,999
Susan Berman turns up dead.
760
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,999
The fact that Susan was going
761
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,999
to be interrogated by the district attorney
762
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,999
would pose a threat to someone who felt
763
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,999
she had knowledge that he or
she did not wish to get out there,
764
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,999
because Susan just might spill.
765
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,999
She was a loose cannon.
766
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
??
767
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,999
??
768
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,999
So, Bobby's kind of laying low in Galveston.
769
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,999
He maintained that he had nothing to do
770
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,999
with the disappearance and presumed death
771
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,999
of his wife Kathie;
772
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,999
or with the murder of his best friend,
773
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,999
Susan Berman; but he certainly knew
774
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,999
that people suspected him of those things.
775
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,999
And didn't want anyone to
know that he was in Galveston.
776
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,999
It was 10 months after Susan Berman's murder
777
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,999
that Robert Durst was charged
with the murder of Morris Black
778
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,999
and subsequently jumped bail.
779
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,999
The news is out that he's now on the run.
780
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,999
We'd actually reached
out to "America's Most Wanted."
781
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,999
We wanted the Durst case profiled on that show.
782
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,999
??
783
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Birkbeck: He walks into a supermarket
784
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,999
and it's on video.
785
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,999
He just shoplifts.
786
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Hammer: He was caught by Wegmans
787
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,999
store personnel,
788
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,999
stealing a sandwich.
789
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,999
They also caught him on camera
790
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,999
taking Band-Aids out of a box
791
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,999
and putting them on himself.
792
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,999
??
793
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,999
The total theft was $9.18.
794
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Hammer: Standard procedure ...
795
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,999
he was Patted down.
796
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,999
He had almost $500 in cash in his pocket.
797
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Morganelli: The police thought
798
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,999
he was agitated.
799
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
When they asked him why he stole this stuff,
800
00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:04,999
he just said, "Well, I'm just an asshole."
801
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,999
The officer didn't immediately know who he had.
802
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,999
He actually gave his real name, Robert Durst,
803
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,999
but he gave a Social Security number
804
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,999
which was not an accurate number
805
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,999
and then later clarified it
806
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,999
and gave a second Social Security number.
807
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,999
??
808
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,999
And then, the police officer
turns around and says,
809
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,500
"Have you ever been in Texas?"
810
00:39:23,501 --> 00:39:24,999
And Bobby just stopped talking.
811
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,999
He knew he got caught.
812
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,999
A computer check revealed
813
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,999
that Durst was wanted
for murder in Galveston, Texas;
814
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,999
is a suspect in Los Angeles;
815
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
and Westchester County, New York.
816
00:39:37,721 --> 00:39:41,999
When a search warrant was executed on his car,
817
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,999
we found $37,000 in cash,
818
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,999
a small amount of marijuana,
819
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,999
and two more handguns.
820
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,999
He had rented a vehicle,
pretending to be Morris Black.
821
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,999
Putnal: His head was shaved.
822
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,999
His eyebrows were shaved.
823
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000
He was clearly an interesting- looking character.
824
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
I was shocked to learn that he'd been arrested.
825
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,999
The most wealthy man probably to ever be
826
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,999
in the United States criminal justice system
827
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,999
was arrested for stealing
a sandwich and Band-Aids.
828
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
??
829
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,999
It really just belies or reveals
830
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,999
the true psychology of Robert Durst,
831
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,999
that he is above the law,
832
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,999
he doesn't have to pay for anything,
833
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,999
whether it's a murder charge
834
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,999
or whether it's a chicken sandwich.
835
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,999
??
836
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,999
Reporter: Robert Durst says Morris Black
837
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,100
was accidentally killed in self-defense.
838
00:41:02,101 --> 00:41:04,999
If Morris Black was here
right now, he'd be saying,
839
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,999
"I'm thinking two words,
840
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,999
and one of them's 'bull'!"
841
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,999
They're saying that Durst shot Morris Black
842
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
[Gunshot] dead-center in the back
843
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,999
of his head,
844
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,999
but you can't say that
845
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
'cause you don't have the head!
846
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,999
Reporter: A new, stunning revelation.
847
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
I stood up and gasped.
848
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,999
I do want to say I am not guilty.
849
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,999
There is no forensic evidence,
whatsoever, linking Bob
850
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,999
to Mrs. Durst's disappearance
851
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,999
or Ms. Berman's murder.
852
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,999
Anything he does is pretty much calculated.
853
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,999
That's how cold this man is.
854
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,999
??
855
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,999
Robert Durst was sent back to Galveston
856
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,999
to stand trial for the murder of Morris Black.
857
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
He agreed to testify before the jury.
858
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,999
The details of what happened to Mr. Black
859
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,999
were violent and disturbing.
860
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,999
The verdict, and another shocking twist,
861
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,999
in part 2 of "Robert Durst."
862
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,999
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
863
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,999
Thanks for watching. Good night.
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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
??
865
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:12,600
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