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Five years ago I was...
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convicted of a dreadful crime
that I did not commit.
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Don't touch me!
The whole town's going to know!
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You're saying that there's no way...
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..that Matthew Taylor
could have been his biological son.
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GLASS SMASHING
'You spread lies which grew,'
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and ultimately
landed Sally Wright in the dock
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and you in the witness box.
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They were together.
I still believe that.
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You got the job.
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I let them wear me down,
I let them convince me.
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But wasn't our fault.
We never asked for any of this.
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You seem very concerned about her
all of a sudden.
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But what about us?
What about your own step daughter?
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Don't throw away the past.
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I was with a probationer,
a lad called Aaron Holmes.
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And he'll confirm that?
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He's not yours. He never was.
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You come near Sam
or my family again,
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I will destroy you!
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A few weeks ago,
we had a bust-up over a bill.
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He's come in tonight,
I've lost my temper...
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we've had a bit of a ding-dong,
that's it, really.
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So we have two other witnesses
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who say it was a completely
unprovoked attack by him.
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Well, obviously,
they didn't see the whole thing
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because that's not what happened.
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Look, like I said,
I'm happy to leave it there.
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So, are you going to tell him?
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Sam?
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Cos this is scary, Sal.
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Doesn't matter
if the back door was unlocked,
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to walk in to someone else's house
and attack them...
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Right, yeah...
So you either tell him,
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and get her to back the fuck off,
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or we go to the police.
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OK.
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Are you saying he hasn't been back
at all in the last few hours?
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No.
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So, any idea why he would have
done this?
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Mrs Taylor?
No.
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No idea
why he walks out of your house,
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just a few hours after
we've interviewed him
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about Matthew's paternity,
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and seeks out
and assaults a local publican?
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No.
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'Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.'
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Hey, Sam, it's me.
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Can we meet?
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You've done your duty as a mate.
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We both have.
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She needs to go.
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Today.
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OK. I am off.
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Have a good one.
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You too.
And, Beth?
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Try and have a normal day today,
please.
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Er... Yeah, Mum,
I'd love to have normal day.
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It's hard when you have the amount
of shit in your head that I do.
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Most of it put there by you!
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DOOR OPENS AND SLAMS SHUT
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Hi.
Oh, hi.
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Oh.
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Yeah. Well, erm...
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It's wooden floors so...
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Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry.
It's OK.
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I mean, you don't have to go today.
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Jen, honestly, it's fine.
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Yeah, all very odd.
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My guess is it was about
what we think it was.
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What, that Gary Walker
is Matthew's father?
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And that he's never told his missus.
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Which obviously offers up some
interesting possible motives
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for Walker too.
Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep
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of your marital home one day
and saying he's your long lost son,
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it's not exactly Davina McCall
territory, is it?
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Has he got any form?
First thing I checked,
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for a DNA match against Matty
primarily,
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but no, sorry, nothing on PNC.
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OK, well, pull him in anyway.
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If you're right and he never
told his missus, we can use that.
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Right, the gifts and presents
found in Matthew's bedroom.
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These were all originally ascribed
to Sally Wright.
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She always said she bought him
the books but nothing else,
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so who was the rest
of the stuff from?
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Obviously, a trawl was done
in the first investigation
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to see if the item's purchaser
could be identified,
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but give it another sweep, Mia,
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see what was missed.
Guv.
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Er, Sam Wright's alibi,
where are we on that?
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So, too long ago for any CCTV of
his car being where he says it was,
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which was heading
to see Aaron Holmes,
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and unfortunately, there's no
phone mast records either.
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So it's going to be down to Holmes
confirming
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he was definitely with him.
Basically, yeah,
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I'm trying to arrange a time
to see Aaron later this week.
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Good stuff.
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Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL.
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I want him found, please.
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Oh, my God, Sal.
That is awful.
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Yeah, and so they basically
asked me to leave because of her.
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So can you speak to her?
Tell her to calm down,
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reassure her that I'm not back here
to "steal her man"?
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For what it's worth,
and this is absolutely not
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any kind of an excuse, but...
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she is under a lot of pressure
at the moment.
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I mean, Beth's not an easy child,
never has been,
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and things have seriously...
flared up again the last few months.
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This re-trial...
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..seems to have really affected her
and just, erm,
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well, it's caused Karen
a huge amount of worry and...
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As I say, I'm not excusing
her behaviour at all,
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I'm... I'm just saying,
it's very out of character.
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Sure.
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Just so you know, actually,
you might want to tell her this.
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Jen and Alf
wanted to call the police.
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And I persuaded them not to.
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Right.
Yeah. Wow.
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Well, on her behalf, thank you.
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PHONE CHIMES
Oh, sorry.
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Er... I've got to go.
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Right.
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Is there anything I can do, Sal?
Oh, don't worry about me,
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I've got unlimited hot water
between six and eight.
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I'm serious.
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Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam?
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Turn back time
so it's me you're coming back to,
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to our lovely family home?
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I'm all right.
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SHE SOBS
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They said you were like a mad man.
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Broke a bottle, had to be stopped
from stabbing him wi' it.
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You know, even... even when you were
at your most troubled, John,
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I stayed with you, because I thought
that deep down, you were a good man.
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Decent, loving.
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Kind.
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Well, maybe I never really knew you.
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So, let me tell you where we are,
Gary.
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We think that John Taylor's
assault on you
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was almost certainly connected
to the fact that Matthew Taylor...
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was your son.
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HE SCOFFS
No, that's...
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Well, I...
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I don't know
where you've got that from,
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but that's not true.
No-one...
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..not your wife...
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..not your kids,
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need know what we've discussed
here today,
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as long as we feel
you're being straight with us.
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So I'm going to ask you again.
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Was Matthew Taylor your son?
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No, he wasn't.
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This is a murder investigation,
Gary.
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Which means if he was your son,
it's pertinent to our inquiry
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and that means we'll do everything
in our power to prove that.
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We will pull... your house apart.
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We will pull your life apart,
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and every single person in this town
will end up knowing why.
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But if you cooperate,
we will do our best
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to keep it contained.
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Was he your son?
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Ow!
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Don't say anything, OK?
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What was that all about?
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Nothing.
Was that Bethany Moss?
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I actually only found out
a few months before Matty died.
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And how did you find out?
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Maria told me.
Just came in the pub one day.
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Sorry, just going back,
the original relationship with her,
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that was a serious thing, or...?
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A few weeks.
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A month at the most.
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And you were both married
at that time?
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Her husband was away a lot,
he was in the army.
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We had two little'uns
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so my missus would often go and stay
at her mum's.
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It was the only time I ever...
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It's not who I am.
OK, so scroll forward 16 years
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and Maria walks in to your pub
and...?
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Apparently, John had found out
and, God knows why, told the boy.
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So she felt that she had to tell me.
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And I was, erm... in shock.
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Obviously, I wanted to be
decent about it all,
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to do the right thing by the boy,
whatever that was,
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but I was also happily married.
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I knew that if I told her the truth,
it would have messed all that up.
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And what happened then?
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Then Matty came by one night,
just as I was locking up.
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And thank God Alison was away
on a university trip with our eldest
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but... it was... awful.
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Why awful?
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This was my boy.
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And he was so upset and confused
and...
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Just wanted to wrap my arms
around him.
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Say sorry.
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What did he want?
I think he was as confused as me.
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I mean, his dad had tried
to stop him seeing me.
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Matthew told you that?
Yeah.
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For a few weeks,
I tried to meet up with him,
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to talk to him,
help him through it all.
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Then it all got too much for me.
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Alison started to ask questions
cos I kept disappearing.
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So I'm ashamed to say I told him
that I couldn't see him any more.
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And how did he take that?
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Better than I thought.
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I told him that his real dad
was the man that had raised
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and loved him for 16 years.
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Not me.
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OK.
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One last question, Gary.
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Where were you
on the day your son was murdered?
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She said you gave her a dead arm.
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Well, she was in my way,
I asked her to move and she didn't,
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so I pushed past her.
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So she's lying, then?
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It happens.
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I had a look at your report card,
Beth,
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it's not the first incident like
this in the last few months, is it?
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And yet sitting here now, you don't
seem like that sort of girl to me,
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not really.
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Look, sometimes when we lash out
about things,
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it's actually because
we're upset about something else.
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What I'm saying is, I can arrange
for you to speak with someone
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from pastoral support, if you like.
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I'm fine.
Really?
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Yeah.
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We done?
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Sure.
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How long till he's sober?
I think we can write off tonight.
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Right, first thing, then.
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In the meantime, let's start
chasing down Walker's alibi,
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and let's get him printed.
OK.
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'I've Beth in tears upstairs.'
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Why?
Your ex.
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What d'you mean "my ex"?
She threatened her at school today,
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apparently, with expulsion.
What?!
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Some kid lied that Beth
had tried to hurt her.
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And we're sure
it couldn't be Beth lying?
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Oh, here we go.
Listen, I'm just saying...
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You're always defending her.
Er, she does have a bit of history
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on that front. And of course,
this is what she wants,
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you and I at each other's throats.
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What does that mean?
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She wants to break up
our family, Sam,
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so she can get you back,
she's obsessed with us.
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Says the woman who broke into
her house and attacked her.
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Well, that was stupid...
It was more than fucking stupid,
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Karen, it's actually scary.
You stood in front of me yesterday
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and lied, very convincingly,
252
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about bloody Sal
coming to the front door.
253
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Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing.
254
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This is a really difficult situation
for both of us.
255
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But we can get through it, Sam,
I know we can,
256
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if we just agree
to be honest with each other.
257
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Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
258
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No more lies, from either of us.
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I'd done two tours in Kosovo.
260
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When I came back from the second...
261
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I wasn't in a good place.
262
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I was drinking too much,
263
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me and Maz were rowing
all the time.
264
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So when I left
for a third tour...
265
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..I think she just needed
someone to talk to, really.
266
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Cut to 16 years later...
267
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..I'm at the doc's
for a check-up on a cyst.
268
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Yeah...
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I learned I've been
infertile all my life.
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Which wasn't so good...
271
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to find out everything you thought
you knew about your family
272
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was a lie.
273
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,960
Anyway...
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she said the relationship
had been brief.
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A few weeks at the most.
276
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She also swore she'd never told
Walker that Matty was his, so...
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really, if we kept it secret,
it was like it never happened.
278
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Which is easier to say than do.
279
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Cos I was angry.
280
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With her, obviously,
with Walker, myself...
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..maybe even with Matty.
282
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And it all came
at the absolute worst time.
283
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Me and him
had started arguing a lot.
284
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He was going through a phase,
I suppose,
285
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trying to work out who he was.
And then one day...
286
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..after a particularly nasty row...
287
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,960
..I told him that he wasn't mine.
288
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Which is without question
the worst thing I've ever done.
289
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I mean, the second I said it I...
290
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wished I could've taken it back,
but I couldn't.
291
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,960
Did he get angry with you?
With both of us.
292
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And how did you respond?
293
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Just... tried to calm him down,
I suppose.
294
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I mean...
295
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,960
I apologised repeatedly
for telling him but...
296
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I was pissed
and in pieces myself,
297
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,000
I wasn't best placed
to deal with it all.
298
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,960
Did it ever get physical?
No.
299
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Even though, as you said,
you were both angry?
300
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,960
Before I said it, I was angry.
301
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After, I was just ashamed.
302
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,320
Over the next few days...
303
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,320
..things seemed to calm down a bit.
304
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Talked about it all more.
305
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Rationally, all three of us.
306
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And in the end,
he said he wanted to meet him.
307
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,640
How did that make you feel?
Well, I'd created the situation,
308
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so I wasn't going to stop him
doing what he felt
309
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he needed to do at that point.
310
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,960
So why d'you think that Matty
might have told Gary Walker
311
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that you did try to stop him going?
312
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,960
He's lying, I never stopped him.
313
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,960
D'you know how Walker reacted?
He wasn't interested, apparently.
314
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,960
Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and
then basically told him to fuck off.
315
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,480
How did Matty take that?
He got pretty cross.
316
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,960
And then told me later
that he threatened him.
317
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,960
Threatened him how?
Telling his wife who he was.
318
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,320
And you never thought
to mention that before?
319
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,960
Well, we all thought we knew
who'd done it by then, didn't we?
320
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960
John Taylor always said he was
working at the time of the murder,
321
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,320
and his foreman confirmed that,
but, I just...
322
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,960
Double check it, yeah?
Yeah, will do.
323
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960
Oh, boss?
Yeah?
324
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,800
A message from Sally Wright to call.
OK.
325
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,160
Back in a bit.
326
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,960
So this is dated just four months
before Matthew's murder.
327
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,960
And I'm guessing
it got missed originally
328
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960
because it's in Beth's files
and not Matty's
329
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,960
and there was no obvious connection
between the two,
330
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,960
but, my God,
it should have been spotted.
331
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960
So how old would Beth
have been at the time?
332
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960
14?
333
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,960
Sorry, but are you suggesting
that a 14-year-old...?
334
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,960
Oh, look,
I'm not suggesting anything,
335
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,960
I just wanted to give you
the information. OK.
336
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,960
You will see from the file,
Beth Moss had a lot
337
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,960
of pastoral input in the months,
years after this.
338
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,960
She's got a lot of behavioural
issues.
339
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960
Some of the notes suggest
her mum was a piece of work too.
340
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960
Karen Moss.
341
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,480
I think it said in the original file
342
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,960
that she was actually
Matthew's social worker.
343
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960
Really?
Yeah.
344
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,160
Wow.
345
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,160
OK, er...
I'll look into all this,
346
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,960
and I'll try and track down
the teacher,
347
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960
see if he can remember anything.
OK.
348
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,480
And thank you for coming over,
it make a real difference
349
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,960
having a human connection
to the case, I appreciate it.
350
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,640
So... how are you doing?
351
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,640
Hm.
352
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,960
It's a journey.
353
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,960
Well, look, if you ever fancy
a cry-off or...
354
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,960
tragedy top trumps,
give me a shout,
355
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960
we could grab a pizza maybe.
I mean,
356
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,480
not as a... you know... just as...
Thank you.
357
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,160
I probably need to get my head
into a slightly better place
358
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,160
to be even half decent company,
359
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,960
but when I feel a bit more sorted,
yeah, I'd really like that.
360
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,960
Right, great. Erm...
361
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,960
I'll, er, I'll call you on this.
Yeah.
362
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Thanks, Sally.
363
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,960
PHONE VIBRATES
364
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,960
Suzy.
'We've checked Walkers fingerprints
365
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,480
'against the bottle
that killed Matty.'
366
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,960
And?
We've got a match.
367
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,960
I'll be right there.
368
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,960
I sell Buckworth,
I often stack the shelves myself
369
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960
so if my prints were on the bottle
that killed him,
370
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,960
all it means is... is that someone
bought it from my pub.
371
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,960
And by "someone" you mean?
Anyone! Matthew?
372
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Look, how would I know?
I've already said,
373
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960
I was in London on the day
that he died.
374
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960
Yeah, we're still checking
your alibi,
375
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
but I want to go back over
something you told us yesterday.
376
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960
When you told Matthew
you couldn't see him anymore,
377
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,160
you said he was fine with that?
Yes.
378
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,960
I mean, he was upset, of course,
but he said that he understood.
379
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960
So he didn't get angry with you?
No.
380
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,000
Didn't threaten you at all?
No!
381
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Didn't threaten to tell your wife
who he was?
382
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,160
No. We have evidence
to suggest that he did.
383
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Well, he didn't. Look, he...
He didn't!
384
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,960
Look,
I have let the boy down appallingly,
385
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,960
I've had endless sleepless nights
wondering if my behaviour
386
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,960
in any way
contributed to how his life ended,
387
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,000
but I swear, I didn't kill him!
388
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Yeah, yeah, I can hold,
no problem.
389
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,160
And I wondered if I could ask you
about a gift card purchase
390
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,960
made in a Keswick shop in 2015.
391
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960
Yeah, that's right.
392
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,960
So we understand you taught in
St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015,
393
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960
and we just wanted to ask
if we could have a brief chat
394
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,960
with you at some point...
Hello, there.
395
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,960
Yeah, Mr Walker
said he was in London,
396
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960
in a meeting with your brewery,
however, so far,
397
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,960
he's been unable to find
any emails confirming that.
398
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,960
So I was just wondering
if there was any other way
399
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960
of confirming his presence there?
Any internal mails...
400
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960
..or old desk diaries,
that kind of thing.
401
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,960
I'm sorry, can I call you back
in two minutes?
402
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Right, thanks, bye.
403
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960
I'm so sorry,
it was a genuine mistake,
404
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,960
I had two guys
with the surname Taylor.
405
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,960
working on that job.
John Taylor, obviously...
406
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,640
..but also a Thomas Taylor.
407
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,960
And looking back at it,
on that specific day,
408
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960
what I thought then was
a J, for John...
409
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,160
I now think...
410
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,960
might be a T.
You think?
411
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,000
It is.
Right, so...
412
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,960
you can actually provide
no definite alibi
413
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,960
for John Taylor
on the day of the murder?
414
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,960
Well, when you asked first time
round, he wasn't a suspect, so...
415
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,960
I never really double checked.
416
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,960
But what I do know,
417
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000
is he adored that boy.
418
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,320
And I can't believe for a minute
419
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,960
he would ever have hurt
a hair on his head.
420
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,640
Where were you actually?
Around town.
421
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,960
After I ran out of money,
422
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
wherever I've thought
I could scrounge a can.
423
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960
Were you ever in Clement Park?
424
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,480
Yes. Which we know
from the original investigation,
425
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,960
Matty was seen walking through,
just an hour
426
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
before his estimated time of death.
427
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960
So did you see him?
Yes.
428
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,960
Did you talk to him?
429
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Yes.
430
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960
Did you row?
431
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,960
Yes.
Did you then follow him?
432
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Why don't you just ask me?
Did I kill him?
433
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960
Did you?
434
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Well, it was my defect that meant
we couldn't have a child.
435
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960
My drinking that caused
Maria's infidelity.
436
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960
My weakness that made me
tell Matty he wasn't my boy.
437
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Now I don't know how exactly
all that led to his death...
438
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,960
..but I'm pretty sure in some way
it did.
439
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,960
So, no, I didn't follow him,
440
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960
and I never laid a hand
on him that day.
441
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,800
But, yeah, I think in some way,
with my failings...
442
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960
..I did kill him.
443
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000
So you just describe a bullying
incident involving Matty and Beth,
444
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800
do you remember
any more detail, or...?
445
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,480
Er, it was to do with him
having stayed at her house once.
446
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Her mum was a duty social worker.
Er, this was Karen Moss?
447
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Mm-hm, and she'd had him
stay over for a couple of nights
448
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,800
after he'd had a row with his dad.
449
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,160
From what I could glean from him,
450
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,960
he'd then seen Beth talking to some
friends at school about it.
451
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,960
OK, and he didn't like that?
452
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,640
I think basically
he felt that Beth had seen him
453
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,960
at his most vulnerable,
so, no, he didn't like it at all.
454
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,960
And Matty Taylor was not a boy
you wanted to cross.
455
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,000
He was whip smart, super articulate,
and he could be cruel,
456
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
verbally, I mean.
457
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Very cruel.
Right.
458
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000
And did you get the impression
this was an isolated incident
459
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
or do you think that...?
Well, they were both
460
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,960
pretty reluctant to discuss it,
particularly her.
461
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,960
But if I had to put money on it,
I would say no,
462
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,000
no, it wasn't.
463
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960
Loads on the school system
about Bethany Moss
464
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,480
over the last five years.
465
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,960
Depression issues, anxiety issues,
and then I found this.
466
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,960
On the 8th June 2015,
just two days before Matty's murder,
467
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000
she's admitted to St Mary's General,
having taken,
468
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,960
an accidental overdose
of her mum's codeine.
469
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
Accidental?
Her mum told the hospital
470
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960
she'd thought they were
over-the-counter herbal pills
471
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
she sometimes gave her for stress.
And how many did she take?
472
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Six.
Who takes six stress pills?
473
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Well, the notes say on previous
occasions she'd taken two.
474
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,000
Her mum told the hospital that
on this occasion she'd taken four,
475
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960
then got confused
and then taken another two.
476
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960
MUTTERING
Yeah, me neither.
477
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Which got me thinking.
478
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
If that was my kid, and I thought
Matty Taylor's bullying
479
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
was to blame for
a suicide attempt...
480
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,640
Particularly when she'd given
the lad a bed for a couple of nights
481
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960
just a few months prior.
OK, great work.
482
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,160
OK, I think we need a chat with Mum.
Yeah.
483
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,800
And you never heard of any bullying
incident involving Matthew Taylor?
484
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,320
No, sorry.
485
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,960
And Bethany would say the same,
would she, if we asked her?
486
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Of course.
487
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,960
So... would you tell us,
488
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960
if you don't mind,
about the incident
489
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
that led you to taking your daughter
to St Mary's General,
490
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960
two days before Matthew died?
491
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Er, so, I'd been taking codeine
for some back pain I'd been having,
492
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800
and I'd very stupidly
put the blister of pills
493
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,960
in the same cupboard
as some herbal pills
494
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960
I sometimes gave Beth for stress.
495
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,960
She'd had a bad day at school,
496
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960
and before I got home from work,
497
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160
she'd gone to the cupboard,
498
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,960
got the wrong pills out,
and taken a couple.
499
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,960
She was absolutely fine, I just took
her to hospital as a precaution.
500
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Right.
501
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
According to the hospital notes,
502
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,480
she took six codeine tablets
503
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960
totalling 180 milligrams.
504
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Which is a potentially
fatal dose for a child.
505
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,960
Mm.
506
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,960
We were very lucky.
507
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,160
So the bad day that she'd had,
what was that about?
508
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Oh, God, I don't remember.
509
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Really?
510
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000
Well, she's quite an anxious child
so...
511
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,960
So it was nothing
to do with Matthew Taylor?
512
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,960
No.
He hadn't continued to bully her?
513
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960
No, she never mentioned
anything like that to me.
514
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,960
If a lad had done that to my child,
bullied her to the point
515
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,960
of taking an overdose...
There wasn't an overdose.
516
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Especially a kid
I'd let in to my own home...
517
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960
It wasn't an overdose.
..I don't know what I might do.
518
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
SALLY: I don't know,
just something suggesting
519
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960
that both Karen and Beth
are now suspects.
520
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
I can't do that, Sally!
Why not?
521
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Because I just...
I can't just make shit up.
522
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,960
But you're a journalist.
523
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Funny.
No, come on,
524
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,480
you saw what the tabloids
wrote about me.
525
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960
Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic
526
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,960
if we now started to publish
random, wild theories,
527
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,960
particularly about a school kid.
Oh, she's 19.
528
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,000
Sal...
All I'm asking you to do, Jen,
529
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,960
is put their names out there and see
what comes back from your readers,
530
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960
and that's exactly
what you did with me...
531
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Even if I agreed with you,
that is not how you do things!
532
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,960
You owe me, Jenny!
533
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
You owe me.
534
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,960
In fact, this whole fucking town
owes me.
535
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,960
Sal, what you went through,
536
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,960
that anger you must feel,
every day, for what you lost...
537
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,160
I didn't lose any thing!
538
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,960
I lost nothing!
539
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960
It was taken away from me,
it was fucking...
540
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960
stolen from me!
541
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640
I completely get it, OK.
But this?
542
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,800
This is not the way forward.
543
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
This is not going to make you
feel any better.
544
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960
SOBBING: Then what is then, Jen?!
545
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,960
I mean it.
546
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,960
You need to be honest with me,
Karen, you really do.
547
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,960
He had been so horrible to her.
548
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
For nearly four months,
she told me afterwards.
549
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960
And for no reason.
550
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960
He thought she'd talked about
the nights he'd spent here
551
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,800
but she hadn't.
552
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,960
And it didn't matter how many times
she told him that she hadn't,
553
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,320
he still went at her. Every day.
554
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,480
For 16 weeks solid,
he made her life a complete misery.
555
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,480
And I came home late from work
one day
556
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,960
and found her lying on her bed,
half unconscious.
557
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,960
And at the hospital,
she told me...
558
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
that it was an accident,
but I knew it wasn't.
559
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960
And then the next morning,
she finally told me...
560
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,960
what Matty had be subjecting her to.
561
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,960
The next day, I left her with my mum
562
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,640
and I went to speak to him
at his house.
563
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,960
But he wasn't there,
it was just his mum.
564
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
And you spoke to her?
I did, but I...
565
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,960
I said it was work related,
I just wanted a general catch-up.
566
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,000
And then I left.
567
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960
And that's all that happened,
I promise.
568
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,960
I don't believe you.
569
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,960
I promise.
570
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,960
You need to tell me the truth,
Karen, now,
571
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960
or I swear I'm walking
out that fucking door
572
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,960
and you'll never see me again.
573
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,960
On my way back from his mum's,
I saw him in the street.
574
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,960
And?
And I wanted to walk past.
575
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Because by this point, I'd realised
that what I was doing was wrong,
576
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960
and it could cost me my job,
577
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,960
so I went to walk past
but then he saw me,
578
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,960
and it was him who stopped, and it
was him who started shouting at me,
579
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,960
drunk, and saying stuff about Beth,
580
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,320
laughing about
what a "fat, ugly pig" she was
581
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,960
and something inside me just snapped
582
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,640
and I, I... I lost it a bit,
I admit that.
583
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,960
And so I crossed over
and I shouted right back at him.
584
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,000
I might even have grabbed him,
I can't remember,
585
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,960
it was all a bit of a blur, and...
but, but, then I realised
586
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,640
that I was being very stupid,
587
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,960
and I turned and walked away.
And that really is it.
588
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,160
And you didn't follow him?
Absolutely not.
589
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960
OK.
590
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,000
You have to tell the police, Karen.
591
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
What?
You have to tell the police.
592
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960
I'm not telling the police.
If you grabbed hold of him,
593
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
if you had any contact
with him at all,
594
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,960
they might have found some stuff
on his body
595
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,960
that can connect you to him.
Hairs, fibres, whatever.
596
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,800
So... you need to tell them
what actually happened.
597
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Because if they find
all this out for themselves,
598
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,320
I mean, they could come
to all the wrong conclusions.
599
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,960
No.
600
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960
You have to tell them, love,
you have to.
601
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,160
There you go.
Lovely, thanks.
602
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320
Have a good day.
603
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,640
PHONE RINGING
604
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Hello.
'Hey, Sally.
605
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960
'Just wondering why
you didn't mention...'
606
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960
Bethany's mother
is with your ex-husband?
607
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Because I didn't think
that was relevant. 'Right.'
608
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,960
'But now you mention it,
I'm sorry,
609
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
'yes, maybe I should have.'
OK.
610
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,960
'Maybe, let me be the judge
of what is or isn't relevant.'
611
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Bye, Sally.
612
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Hey.
613
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960
It was never meant to end
like it did.
614
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960
And how was it meant to end?
615
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000
Was there really nothing
going on between you, ever?
616
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,960
No, Anna, never.
617
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Never.
618
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960
The thing is, I did genuinely
believe there was.
619
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,960
That's... that's the only reason
I made the kiss up.
620
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
To get you sacked so it would stop.
621
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,960
And then he was killed.
622
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960
And everything suddenly moved
so fast.
623
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,960
So, I am...
624
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,960
..sorry.
625
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
But least one of us is free now.
626
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960
PHONE VIBRATING
627
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Hiya, Dave, everything OK?
Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss.
628
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960
But Mills Brewery have forwarded
four emails
629
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,960
confirming Gary Walker
arrived for a meeting
630
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,960
in their Hammersmith office
at 4pm on the day of the murder.
631
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Now, the meeting lasts an hour,
632
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,960
and it's approximately five hours
door to door
633
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,960
back to the murder scene.
634
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Right,
so he's completely in the clear.
635
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960
Yeah, looks like it.
636
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
All right,
thanks for letting me know, mate.
637
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,800
All right, bye.
638
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480
Right, so what I don't understand
639
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,960
is how can a kid
with those kind of issues
640
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
not appear on the radar
of social services?
641
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Or at the very least
an ed pysch department?
642
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,320
I don't know,
but Karen Moss would have had access
643
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,960
to her daughter's records
in her professional capacity.
644
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,960
What, you think she could have
deleted them?
645
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Why not, if they suggested some
sort of trail back to Matty Taylor?
646
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss.
647
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Sam Wright's downstairs,
says he needs to speak to you.
648
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Cheers.
649
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,960
Right, see you in a bit.
650
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Hey.
Hi, Sam Wright.
651
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
DCI Braithwaite.
Thanks, Grace.
652
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Do you want to, er...
Yeah.
653
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,960
OK, I know...
654
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,800
Unequivocally, I know that my
fiancee would never hurt a fly.
655
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
But, er...
656
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960
she's not been
entirely honest with you.
657
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,160
For very understandable reasons,
658
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,960
she thinks you would put two and two
together and make five.
659
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,480
But I think
she's wrong to think that.
660
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,960
So after a long discussion
with her...
661
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
and she's across
all of this...
662
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960
..I am here to tell you the truth.
663
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,960
So, just to confirm,
664
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,960
as per your original
witness statement, Mr Holmes,
665
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,000
approximately 5:35 to 5:50,
666
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Mr Wright was with you
in a probation meeting
667
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,960
in your flat in Castleton.
Yeah.
668
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Are you double checking everyone
or just Sam Wright?
669
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Yeah, well, no,
I just wanted to confirm
670
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,000
how many that you
were asked to check?
671
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,960
'Four.'
Definitely? Four?
672
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,960
'Yeah, yeah, I have the original
notes in front of me,
673
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,640
'four cards,
all, unfortunately for you guys,
674
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960
'paid for with cash.'
Yeah, no, well, so, listen,
675
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
I mean, it looks like
it was a bollocks this end
676
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,320
and there were actually five cards,
677
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,960
two were stuck together.
678
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,320
Erm, anyways, so if I...
if I give you all five numbers now,
679
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,960
whichever one is not on your list,
can you check it out for me, please?
680
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,960
'Yeah, sure.'
So, OK, "DF45..."
681
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,320
No. I had no encounter with him.
682
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,960
Right, so, why do you think
683
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,960
your fiancee...
told me that you did?
684
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,320
Erm...
685
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
I have no idea
why he'd say such a thing.
686
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Well, we've also just spoken
to Maria Taylor,
687
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160
and she has now confirmed she
remembers you knocking on her door
688
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,960
that day,
asking after her son.
689
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Despite never having
mentioned this before.
690
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Well, she was obviously
in a state of shock,
691
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960
right after her son
was brutally murdered.
692
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,640
By the time she'd started to think
at all rationally,
693
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,960
Sally Wright had been charged.
694
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
It never occurred to her
to mention a 30-second exchange
695
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
on her doorstep
with his social worker.
696
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Well, she's lying.
Cos I didn't go looking for him.
697
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,960
It would be perfectly
understandable, Karen,
698
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,160
for you to have been
mad with Matthew.
699
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,000
I mean, what would any of us do
to protect our children?
700
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Maybe this was just
a moment of madness.
701
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,960
No.
702
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,960
I never saw him that day.
703
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,960
There are numerous fibres taken from
Matthew's clothing after he died.
704
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960
Hitherto unidentified hairs caught
up in his school jumper and coat.
705
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Would you be happy
for us check those against you?
706
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Yeah.
707
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Right hand.
708
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,960
I don't know what to say any more,
Sally.
709
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,960
I've just got so much wrong and...
710
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960
I wonder if you can
ever forgive me.
711
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Come in.
712
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,960
PHONE RINGING
713
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,960
'Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.'
714
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,960
All right, mate?
715
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,960
It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me?
716
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960
Listen, fella,
give us a call some time, will ya?
717
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
I think we need
to have a little chat.
718
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,960
I am not taking
any lectures from you.
719
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
I know where you were last night.
720
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,960
ALARM BELLS RING
721
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
This has to be for keeps, Sam.
722
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Why would you go
to all that trouble...
723
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
unless you had something to hide?
724
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,480
This can't be about Karen any more.
725
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,640
I won't be anyone's second best,
Sam.
726
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Least of all yours.
727
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960
I'm sorry, Guv,
but you're gonna want to see this.
728
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160
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