All language subtitles for FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov_ The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984) English

My father was—he is on the left

here—my father was officer of the

general staff of the Soviet army.

He was inspector of land forces,

Soviet troops stationed in

countries like Mongolia,

Cuba,

East European countries.

This is the picture taken at the entrance

of my Institute of Oriental Languages.

It's a part of Moscow State University.

As every Soviet student,

I was,

quote-unquote,

volunteering for harvesting

grain in Kazakhstan.

By the end of my training in school,

I was recruited by the KGB.

This picture was taken on that day,

and you can see again how happy it

feels to be recruited by the KGB.

Pay special attention to

number of bottles on the table.

One of my functions was

to keep foreign guests

permanently intoxicated the moment

they land at Moscow Airport.

In 1967,

the KGB attached me to this magazine,

Luke magazine,

a group of 12 people arrived to

the USSR from the United States to

cover the 50th anniversary of October

socialist revolution in my country.

From the first page to the last page,

it was a package of lies.

Our conversation is with Mr.

Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmianov.

Mr.

Bezmianov was born in 1939 in

a suburb of Moscow.

He was the son of a high

-ranking Soviet army officer.

He was educated in the

elite schools inside the Soviet

Union and became an expert in Indian

culture and Indian languages.

He had an outstanding

career with Novosti,

which was the—and still is,

I should say—the press

arm or the press agency

of the Soviet Union.

It turns out that this is

also a front for the KGB.

One of his interesting assignments

was to brainwash foreign diplomats

when they visited Moscow.

He'll tell us a little bit

about how they did this and

how they planted information,

which eventually wound up in

the press of the free world.

He escaped to the West in 1970

after becoming totally

disgusted with the Soviet system,

and he did this at

great risk to his life.

He certainly is one of

the world's outstanding

experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda

and disinformation and active measures.

Mr.

Bezmianov,

I'd like to begin by having you

tell us a little bit about

some of your childhood memories.

Well, the most vivid memory of my

childhood was Second World War,

or to be more precise,

the end of the Second World War,

when all of a sudden United States,

from a friendly

nation,

which helped us to defeat Nazism,

turned overnight into a deadly enemy.

It was very shocking because

all newspapers were trying to

present an image of belligerent,

aggressive

American imperialism.

Most of the things that we were taught

is that United States is aggressive

power,

which is just about to invade our

beautiful free socialist country,

that American CIA

is dropping Colorado beetles

on our beautiful potato fields

to eliminate our crops.

And each

schoolboy had a picture of Colorado

bug on the back page of his notebook.

And we were instructed to go

into collective fields to search

for those little Colorado bugs.

Of course,

we couldn't find any.

Neither we could find many potatoes.

And that was explained

again by the encroachments of

the decadent imperialist power.

The anti-American paranoia,

hysteria in the Soviet propaganda

was of such a higher degree

that many less skeptical

people or less stubborn

would really believe that United States

is just about to invade our beautiful

motherland and some secretly

hope that it will come true.

That's interesting.

Yes.

Well,

getting back to life inside

the Soviet Union or inside

communist countries in general,

in this country,

at the university level primarily,

we read and hear that

the Soviet system is

different from ours,

but not that different,

and that there is a

convergence developing

between all of the systems of the world,

and that really it doesn't

make an awful lot of

difference what system you live

under because you have corruption

and dishonesty and tyranny

and all that sort of thing.

From your personal experience,

what is the difference between life

under communism and life

in the United States?

Well,

life is obviously very much different

for simple reason that the Soviet Union

is a state capitalist economically.

It's a state capitalism where an

individual has absolutely no rights,

no value.

His life is nothing.

It's just like an insect.

He is disposable,

whereby in the United States

even the worst criminal

is treated as a human being.

He has a fair trial,

and some of them

capitalize on their crimes.

They publish their

memoirs in their prisons

and get handsomely paid

by your crazy publishers.

The differences,

of course,

in the daily life are

very various depending

on whom we are talking about.

In my own private life,

I never suffered from communism simply

because I was brought up in the family

of high ranking military officer.

Most of the doors

were open for me.

Most of my expenses were

paid by the government,

and I never had any

troubles with the authorities

or with the police.

So in other words,

I would say I enjoyed,

though I had good reasons to

enjoy all the advantages of

so-called socialist system.

My

main motivations to defect had

nothing to do with affluence.

It was mainly moral indignation,

moral protest,

rebellion against the inhuman methods

of the Soviet system.

Well,

specifically,

what did you object to?

I objected,

first of all,

against oppression of my own

dissidents and intellectuals.

And that was

the most disgusting thing that

I witnessed as a young man,

young student,

who

was brought up at the very

troublesome period in our history,

from Stalin to Khrushchev,

from

total tyranny and oppression

to some kind of liberalization.

Second,

when I started working for

the Soviet embassy in India,

to my horror,

I discovered that we are millions

times more oppressive than any

colonial or imperialist power

in the history of mankind,

that my country brings

to India not freedom,

progress,

and friendship between the nations,

but racism,

exploitation,

and slavery,

and of course,

economical inefficiency to this

country.

Since I fell in love with India,

I developed something

which by KGB standards

is extremely dangerous thing.

It's called split loyalty,

when an agent likes a

country of assignment

more than his own country.

I literally fell in love

with this beautiful country,

a country of great contrasts,

but also great humility,

great tolerance,

and philosophical and

intellectual freedoms.

My ancestors used to live in caves and eat

raw meat when India was highly civilized

in the last decade,

6,000 years ago.

So obviously the choice was

not to the advantage of my own nation.

I decided to defect

and to entirely dissociate

myself from the brutal regime.

Mr.

Bezmianov,

we've read a lot about the concentration

camps and the slave labor camps

under the Stalin regime.

Now the general impression in America is

that those things are part of the past.

Are they still going on today,

or what is the status?

There is no qualitative change in

the Soviet concentration camp system.

There are changes to 30 million Soviet citizens who are

virtually kept as slaves in

forced labor camp system.

The size of the population of a country

like Canada is serving terms as prisoners.

So I would say that

those intellectuals who

try to convince American

public that concentration

camp system is a thing of a past

are either conscientiously

misleading public opinion,

or they are not very intellectual people.

They are selectively blind.

They lack intellectual

honesty when they say that.

Well, we've spoken about the

intellectuals in this country

and also the intellectuals

in the Soviet Union.

What about down at the broad mass level?

Do the people in general,

the working people,

the workers in general

in the Soviet Union,

do they support the system?

Do they tolerate it?

What is their attitude?

Well,

average Soviet citizen, if

there is such an animal,

of course,

does not like the

system because it hurts,

it kills.

He may not understand

the reasons.

He may not have enough information

or educational background to understand.

But I doubt very much there are

many people who are conscientiously

supporting the Soviet system.

There are not such

people in USSR.

Even those who have all the

reasons to enjoy socialism,

people like myself,

were a member of journalistic elite,

they,

the they also hate system

for different reasons,

though. Not because they lack material affluence,

but because they are unfree to

think they are in constant fear,

duplicity,

split personality.

And this is the greatest

tragedy for my nation.

Well, what do you think

are the chances of

the people actually overcoming

their system or replacing it?

There is a great possibility

that system will sooner or

later be destroyed from within.

There is a

self-destructive mechanism

built into any socialist or

communist or fascist system,

because there is lack of feedback,

because the system does not

rely upon loyalty of population.

But until this

Soviet junta is being supported by

the Western so-called imperialists,

that is multinational

companies,

establishments,

governments,

and let's face it,

intellectuals,

so-called academia in the United States is

famous for supporting the Soviet system.

As long as the Soviet junta

will keep on receiving credits,

money,

technology,

grain deals,

and political recognition from

all these traitors of

democracy or freedom,

there is no hope.

There is not much hope for

changes in my country.

And the system

will not collapse by itself simply

because it's being nourished

by so-called American imperialism.

This is the greatest

paradox in history of mankind,

when

capitalist world supports

and actively nourishes

its own destruction, its

destroyer,

destructor.

I think you're trying

to tell us something

in your country. Oh, yes.

I'm trying to tell you that it

has to be stopped unless you

want to end up in Gulag system

and enjoy all the advantages

of socialist equality,

working for free,

catching fleas on your body,

sleeping on the

planks of

plywood in Alaska this time,

I guess.

That's where

Americans will belong,

unless they will wake up,

of course,

and force their government to

stop aiding Soviet fascism.

Well, you told us a

moment ago why you left

the system.

I'd like to hear the

details of how you did it.

It must have been a very dangerous thing.

It was not so dangerous.

It was crazy.

First of all,

because

defecting in India is

virtually impossible,

thanks to very strong pressure

from the Soviet government.

Excuse me.

You were in India on

assignment at that time. Yes.

I was working for the Soviet embassy

in New Delhi as a press officer. And

defecting

for a Soviet diplomat

is next to impossible.

It's a suicide,

as I said,

because

a great friend in Dira Gandhi

pushed a law through

parliament which says,

and I quote,

no defector from any country

has a right of political

asylum in any embassy on the

territory of Indian Republic,

which is a masterpiece of hypocrisy.

No other defector but the Soviet

one needs a political asylum.

So knowing that perfectly well,

I planned a craziest

possible way to defect.

I studied counterculture in India.

There were thousands of

young American boys and girls

with no shoes,

long hair,

smoking hash and marijuana,

studying sometimes

Indian philosophy,

sometimes simply pretending

that they studied.

And they greatly annoyed Indian police,

and they were laughing stock of Indians,

because obviously they were

good for nothing students.

I studied carefully

where they congregate,

what routes they travel,

what language they speak,

what do they smoke.

And one day I simply

joined a group of hippies to

avoid detection of Indian police.

I was dressed as a typical

hippie with blue jeans,

long Camus shirts

with all kind of nice

decorations like beads,

long hairs.

I bought a wig,

because for several weeks I had

to turn myself from a conservative

Soviet diplomat

into a very progressive American hippie.

And that was the only way that

I could

avoid detection.

It was very interesting experience,

but it was necessary, because

from my own knowledge

as a member of Soviet embassy staff,

I knew that

there were many cases

when Soviet defectors

were betrayed by

Indian police.

And also some Western embassies

played a very dirty role in

betraying the Soviet defectors.

According to our information,

there were some,

I wouldn't call them double agents,

but simply

a model

people working for the

United States embassy.

And confining in people like

this would be a suicide.

So I had to be extremely careful.

I could not trust anyone.

And that was the reason for

such a crazy way to defect.

Well,

had you been

caught

in the act of trying to get out,

what would have happened to you?

Oh,

most likely I would end

up in concentration camp.

Or depending on the situation and on

the whim of some bureaucrat in KGB,

or maybe even executed.

This is normal practice.

Quietly, of course.

Not publicly.

But that would be the

end of my defection,

of course.

Well when did you finally

make it to the United States?

In 1970,

after about

six months of debriefing in Athens

by the CIA,

and I presume FBI too,

they let me go first to Germany,

then to Canada.

That was my decision.

I had to change my identity

to protect my family

and my friends in USSR.

And also I was a little

bit paranoid knowing

that both

Soviet KGB and probably some double agents

within American system may be after me.

So I wanted to settle down

as far away as possible.

I requested CIA to give me some kind of

new identity

and just let me go

on my own.

And I settled in Canada.

I was a student.

I changed many professions from

farm help and

laundry truck driver to

language instructor

and

broadcaster for Canadian

Broadcasting Corporation in Montreal.

Well, have you had any threats

on your life or any untouchable?

Yes.

In about five years KGB

eventually discovered

that I am working for

Canadian Broadcasting.

I made a very big mistake.

I started working

for

overseas service of CBC,

which is similar to Voice of America,

in Russian language.

And of course monitoring service

in USSR picked up every new voice.

Every new announcer, they would make

it a point to discover who he is.

And in five years,

sure enough,

slowly but surely they

discovered that I am

not Thomas Schumann, that I am

Yuri Alexander Vyjibysmianov,

and that I am working for Canadian

Broadcasting and undermining beautiful

detente between Canada and USSR.

And the Soviet Ambassador

Alexander Yakovlev

made it his

personal effort to discredit me.

He complained to Pierre Trudeau,

who is known to be a little

bit soft on socialism.

And the management of CBC

behaved in a very strange,

cowardly way,

unbecoming to representatives

of an independent country like Canada.

They listened to every suggestion

that Soviet Ambassador gave,

and they started shameful investigation,

analyzing content of

my broadcasts to USSR.

Sure enough, they discovered that some

of my statements were probably to,

would be offending

to the Soviet Politburo.

So I had to leave my job.

And of course subtle intimidations.

They would

say something like,

please cross the street

carefully, because, you know,

traffic is very heavy in Quebec.

And fortunately I know about

the psychology and the logic of

activity of the KGB.

And I never allowed

myself to be intimidated.

This is the worst thing.

This is what they expect,

a person,

a defector,

to be intimidated.

Once they spot that you are scared,

they keep on developing that line.

And then eventually you

either have to give up

entirely and

work for them,

or they neutralize you.

They would definitely stop all

kind of political activity,

which they failed to do in my case,

because I was stubbornly working

for the Canadian Broadcasting.

And in response to their intimidations,

I said that, look,

this is a free country,

and I am as free as you are.

And I also can drive very fast.

And gun control is not

yet established in Canada.

So I had a couple of good

shotguns in my basement.

So welcome to visit me someday

with your Kalashnikovs machine guns.

So obviously it didn't work.

So

they tried different approach,

as I described.

They approached

on the highest level,

on the level of Canadian bureaucracy.

And on that level they were successful.

On individual level they failed flat.

Mr.

Besmianov has brought a series

of slides with him that he has

taken from the Soviet Union.

And I think this is a good time

to take a look at the slides. Now,

the viewers will be able to see

these slides as we talk about.

Yes.

This is a collection of slides,

which are,

some of them are snapshots

from my family album.

Some of them are documents which I

smuggled from the Soviet embassy.

And some are reproductions

from local mass media.

I usually show them to establish

my credibility as a defector.

This is a picture of my native town,

Metishe,

about 20 miles north from Moscow.

Characteristically there is a statue

of comrade Lenin in the central square.

This is myself at the age of seven, again,

characteristically under the

statue of comrade Stalin,

extending his friendly hand to

peoples of the world.

At that age, of course,

I was still idealistically

minded young communist.

And I still believe that sooner or later

things will go for better.

But I realize that the system stinks,

that something is fishy

and that ideology is fake.

And the propaganda about advanced

Soviet agriculture simply didn't

meet the criteria of reality.

If they talk about abundance of food

and there is none in the stores,

there must be something wrong.

My father was,

he is on the left here,

my father was

officer of the general stop.

Officer of the general

stop of the Soviet army.

He was inspector of land forces,

Soviet troops stationed in

countries like Mongolia,

Cuba,

East European countries.

Were he alive today,

most likely he would be inspecting

Soviet troops in Nicaragua,

Angola,

and many other parts of the world.

Fortunately he died and he

didn't see the disgrace,

because deep inside he was

a Russian patriot.

He didn't like the idea of expanding

Soviet military. My father remained,

especially in the areas where

we were not welcomed at all.

Unlike many other military officers,

he was reporting directly

to the minister of defense

by passing KGB and diplomatic service.

In other words, he was a

trusted military professional.

And my impression that this type

of people are much less hawkish

and adventuristic than

party bureaucrats in

Kremlin.

When American mass media described

Soviet military as potentially dangerous,

a major part for Pentagon,

I simply laughed,

because I know better.

I know that the most

dangerous part of the

Soviet power structures

are not military at all.

Most likely if they

come to power in my country,

they'll be more sensible

negotiators for nuclear disarmament

and withdrawal of the Soviet troops

from many parts of the world.

But if someone from the party structure

or the KGB structure were to

give the orders for military venture,

they would follow them.

They would follow them.

Yes, because they are

professional military.

But they,

you see, the triangle of power and

hate in USSR is the party at the top,

the party elite,

the oligarchy of the party,

then the military and

the KGB at the bottom.

They hate each other.

And the most hated triangle,

the most hated corner of the triangle

is the Communist Party bureaucrats.

They are the most adventuristic

senile megalomaniacs.

They can start war.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Not the military.

They know what war is.

At least my father did.

This is the picture taken

at the entrance of my Institute

of Oriental Languages.

It's a part of Moscow State University.

I graduated in 1963.

And I- Now,

excuse me.

Which one were you on?

I am on the right.

You're on the right.

And on the left is my schoolmate,

Vadim Smirnov,

who later was a parachik

in the Central Committee

of the

Soviet Union Communist Party.

What is an apparachik?

It's a function.

It's something like civil

service in British Empire,

someone who is never

fired from the service.

He stays there internally.

He may not be promoted too high,

but he's a dependable

bureaucrat who will stay forever.

I studied not only languages,

but also history,

literature,

even music.

On this picture,

I'm trying to learn how to play

an Indian musical instrument.

I even tried to look like an Indian

when I was second year student.

Not bad, right?

Yes.

Actually, it was strongly encouraged

by the instructors in my school,

because the graduates of my

school were later on

employed as diplomats,

foreign journalists,

or spies.

As every Soviet

I was,

quote-unquote,

volunteering for harvesting

grain in Kazakhstan.

This is the biggest agricultural

blunder of the Soviet government.

But I didn't have much choice, of course,

because the communist

motto borrowed from the Bible says,

those who do not work

shall not eat.

And you can see me eating,

therefore I was working.

And you can see how happy I was about it.

I went through a very extensive

physical and military training,

including the military gains in suburban

areas of Moscow.

And here, for example,

we are on the tour in Arkhangensk area.

And by the end of my training in school,

I was recruited by the KGB.

This picture was taken on that day.

And you can see again how happy it

feels to be recruited by the KGB.

Our conversation with Yuri

Alexanderovich Bezmianov,

who is a defector from the Soviet

Union,

a former propaganda agent

for Novosti and the KGB,

will continue after this message.

All right.

As every student in USSR,

I went through very extensive

physical and military

training and civil defense training,

too,

unlike in United States,

where civil defense is

virtually nonexistent,

zero.

In USSR,

every student,

whatever is major subject,

has to go through

very extensive four-year military

and civil defense training.

You can see me here with

a group of students during

one of the war games

near Moscow.

The main idea, of course,

is to prepare a

huge reserve army of the USSR.

Each student has to graduate

as a junior lieutenant

in my case it was administrative

and military intelligence service.

My first assignment was

to India as a translator with the

Soviet economical aid group

building refinery complexes in Dihar

State and Gujarat State.

At that time,

I was still naively

idealistically believing that

what I was doing contributes

to the understanding and

cooperation between the nations.

It took me quite a number of

years to realize that what

we were bringing to India was

a new type of colonialism,

a thousand times more

oppressive and exploitative

than any

colonialism or imperialism

in history of mankind.

But at that time,

I was still hoping that,

well,

maybe it's not that bad,

could be worse,

and things may go for better.

And I even tried to implement

the beautiful Marxist motto,

Proletarians of all the Countries Unite.

I tried to unite

with a nice Indian girl.

And I was,

actually,

I was fascinated by Indian culture,

by the

family life in this country.

But obviously,

Communist Party had

different plans for my genes,

so I had to marry this

beautiful Russian girl.

In the span of my career,

I married three times.

Most of these marriages were

marriages of convenience,

unadvised from the

Department of Personnel.

This is normal practice in USSR.

When a Soviet citizen is

assigned to a foreign job,

he has to be married,

either to keep family

in USSR as hostages,

or if it's a convenience

marriage like mine,

so that the husband and

wife are virtually informers

on each other to prevent defection

or contamination by decadent

imperialist or capitalist ideas.

In my case,

I hated that girl so much that

the moment I landed in Moscow,

we were divorced,

and I

married late,

the second time.

By the end of my first

assignment in India,

I was promoted to the position

of public relations officer.

You can see me here translating a

speech by a Soviet boss.

And you're on the right.

I'm on the right here, yes.

And it was,

the occasion was

commissioning of the refinery

complex in Bihar,

Barrani.

Back in Moscow,

I was immediately recruited

by Novice Press Agency,

which is a propaganda and ideological

subversion front for the KGB.

Seventy-five percent of the

members of the Novice T.

are commission officers of the KGB.

The other 25 are like

my self-coopted agents

who are assigned to specific operations.

In this particular case,

you can see me talking to students of

Lumumba Friendship University in Moscow.

This is a huge school under the

direct control of the KGB

and Central Committee,

where future leaders of the so-called

National Liberation movements are

being educated and selected carefully.

And some of them have absolutely,

neither this,

for example,

is a group of students

from Lumumba.

They don't look like students at all.

They look more like military,

and that's exactly what they were.

They were dispatched back to their

countries to be leaders of the

so-called National Liberation movements,

or to be translated into

normal human language,

leaders of international

terrorist groups.

Another area of activity

when I was working

for the Novice T.

was to accompany groups of so

-called progressive intellectuals,

writers,

publishers,

teachers,

professors of colleges.

You can see me here in Kremlin.

I am second

on the left,

with a group of Pakistani

and Indian intellectuals.

Most of them pretended

they don't understand that

we are actually working on behalf of

the Soviet government and the KGB.

They pretended that they

are actually being guests,

VIP intellectuals,

that they are treated according to their

merits and their intellectual abilities.

For us, they were just a bunch of

political prostitutes to be taken

advantage for various propaganda

operations.

Therefore,

you can see perfectly well

the senior colleague of mine on the left

doesn't really have that

much respect on his face.

And myself, with a very skeptical smile,

a typical KGB sarcastic smile,

anticipating another victim

of ideological brainwashing.

This is how a typical

conference in Novice T.

headquarters in Moscow looked like.

Sitting in the middle is Boris Burkov,

the then director of Novice T.

Press Agency,

high-ranking party bureaucrat

in the Department of Propaganda.

I am standing next to

a famous Indian poet,

Mitra Nandan Punt.

He was famous because he was

an author,

he was the author of a famous poem,

titled Rhapsody to Lenin.

That's why he was invited to USSR,

and everything was paid

by the Soviet government.

Pay special attention to

number of bottles on the table.

This is one of the ways to

kill the awareness or curiosity of

foreign journalists.

One of my functions was

to keep foreign guests

permanently intoxicated the moment

they land at Moscow Airport.

I had to take them to the VIP launch and

toast to friendship and

understanding within the

nations of the world,

glass of vodka,

then a second glass of vodka.

And in no time my

guests would be feeling very happy.

They would see everything

in kind of pink,

nice color.

And that's the way I had to keep

them permanently for the next

15 or 20 days.

At certain point in time I had

to withdraw alcohol from them

so that some of them who

are the most recruitable

would feel a little bit shaky,

guilty,

trying to remember what they

were talking last night.

That's the time to approach them with all

kind of nonsense such as joint communique

or statement for Soviet propaganda.

That's the time they

are the most flexible.

And of course what

they didn't understand,

they didn't realize or pretend

not to realize that myself

who was drinking together with them

was not drinking at all.

I had ways to get rid of alcohol

through various techniques,

including special pills which

were given to me by my colleagues.

But they were taking it seriously.

In other words,

they would consume quite

large volumes of alcohol and

feel quite uneasy next morning.

In 1967 the KGB attached

me to this magazine,

Look Magazine,

a group of 12 people arrived to USSR

from United States to cover the 50th

anniversary of October socialist

revolution in my country.

From the first page to the

last page it was a package of lies,

propaganda cliche,

which were presented to American readers

as opinions and deductions

of American journalists.

Nothing could be far from truth.

This were not

opinions.

They were not opinions at all.

They were

the cliches which

the Soviet propaganda wants

American public to think that they think.

If it

does make any sense at all it sure does

because from the viewpoint

of the Soviet propaganda,

although there are some subtle

criticisms of the Soviet system,

the basic message is that

Russia today is a nice,

functioning,

efficient system supported

by majority of population.

That's the biggest lie.

And of course American

intellectuals and journalists

from Look Magazine

elaborated on that untruth

in various different ways.

They intellectualized that lie.

They found all kind of justifications

for telling

lies to American public.

This is- Excuse me.

It was partly your job

to make sure that they

got these ideas and accepted

them as their own ideas.

Right.

Actually,

even before they arrived to

USSR and they paid astronomical

sum of money for that visit,

they were submitted-

this Novice Press Agency

developed so-called backgrounders,

20,

25 pages of information

and opinions which were

presented to the journalists

even before they bought

their tickets to Moscow.

They had to analyze this

situation and judging on their

reaction to that background,

the local Novicely representative or

local Soviet diplomat in Washington,

D.C., would assess whether they have-

whether they be given visa to USSR or not.

So they were selected

ahead of time. Oh, yes.

They were preselected very carefully.

And there is not much chance

for honest journalists

to arrive to USSR and to stay there

for one year and to bring this

package of lies back home.

This, for example, is a

centerfold of the Look Magazine.

They presented this monument

erected by Communist Party in

Stalingrad as the symbol personification

of Russian military might.

And they said in the article which is

published on the site that Soviets are

very proud of the victory

in the Second World War.

This is another big myth,

a lie.

No sensible people would be proud

to lose 20 millions of their

countrymen in a war which was started

by Genosse,

Hitler,

and Konrad Stalin and paid

by American multinationals.

Most of the Soviet citizens look at this

type of monuments with disgust and sorrow,

because every family lost father,

brother,

sister,

or child in the Second World War.

Yet

American journalists who

were trying to appease,

to please their hosts,

presented this picture on the centerfold

as the symbol and personification

of Soviet national- they

call it Russian national spirit.

And it was greatest misconception

and a very tragic misunderstanding.

Of course, Look Magazine

was not

distributed in USSR.

The main audience was in United States.

But I presume that many Americans,

millions of Americans who were

reading Look Magazine at that time,

had absolutely wrong idea about the

sentiments of my nation,

about what the Soviets are

proud of and what they hate.

This is a group-

you see the same lady with

the sword in Stalingrad?

This is the group of journalists.

Myself is in the center with

the same devilish smile.

And Mr.

Philip Harrington is on the

extreme left there with his camera.

This is the gentleman which was so

deaf

or so uninterested in

what I had to say to him.

This is the same picture,

a blow-up of the same picture.

Many guests

from various countries,

in this particular case

from Asia and Africa,

were taken by me

as a novice press agency

employee for a tour across Siberia,

for example.

We would show them typical kindergarten,

you see.

Nothing special by American standards.

Just nice children sitting,

eating their breakfast

or lunch.

What they could not understand,

or they pretended not to understand,

that this is an exemplary kindergarten.

This is not the kindergarten for

every person or every family in USSR.

And we maintain that

illusion in their minds.

You can see myself under the red spot

in the middle there

with the same business-like expression.

I'm doing my job.

That's what I'm assigned to do,

and that's what I was paid to do.

But deep inside I still hope that at

least some of these

useful idiots would understand that

what they are looking at has nothing to

do with the level of affluence

in my nation.

This is a better picture

which reflects the true

spirit of the

Soviet childhood.

This picture was printed

in a Canadian government

publication by mistake.

In the middle you can

see children playing on a

small courtyard.

And the caption goes,

this is a typical

kindergarten in Siberia.

What these idiots didn't understand

that it is not kindergarten at all.

It is a prison for children

of political prisoners.

But there was not a single

mentioning that what they were

visiting actually was an area of

concentration camps.

And the job of people

like myself to help them

to not to notice that

they are actually talking to prisoners.

Most of the children were dressed,

especially on the occasion

of the foreigners' visit.

Of course there were no

corpses on the ground.

There were no machine-gun guards.

And, well, it looks not

very pleasant, as you see.

It looks dull, but obviously does

not create an impression that

this is actually a prison. Well,

did any of the journalists have the

curiosity to ask about prisons

and that kind of thing?

They were in Siberia.

This is what you associate.

Some of them asked questions,

and naturally we would give them,

for the stupid question,

we'd give them stupid answers.

No, there are no prisons in Siberia.

No,

most of the people

who you see are free citizens of USSR.

They are very happy to be here,

and they are contributing

to the glory of the socialist system.

Some of them pretended that

they believe what I was

telling them.

And most of them,

we may discuss it later,

what are the motivations of these people?

Why would they stubbornly bring

lies to their own population through

their own mass media?

I have various answers to this.

There is not a single explanation.

It's a complex of explanations.

It's fear,

pure biological fear.

They understand that they

are on the territory of an enemy state,

a police state.

And just to serve their rotten skins

and their miserable jobs,

their affluence back home,

they would prefer to tell a lie

than to ask truthful questions and

report truthful information.

Second,

most of these schmucks were

afraid to lose their jobs,

because

obviously if you tell

truth about my country,

it will not last long as a

correspondent of New York Times

or Los Angeles Times.

They will fire you.

What kind of correspondent are you?

You obviously cannot

find common language with

Russians if they kick

you out in 24 hours.

So just by trying to be conformist

to their own editorial bosses,

they tried not to offend the

sentiments of the Soviet administrators

and people like myself.

Deep inside,

I hope they would insult my,

or offend my sentiments

because obviously they preferred not to.

Another reason,

I refuse to believe it, but obviously

there is another reason.

Obviously

it's a greed.

These people earn a lot of money.

When they come back to USA,

they claim that they are

experts in my country.

They write books which

sells a million copies,

titled like Russians,

The Truth About Russia.

Most of it is lie about Russia.

Yet they claim to be Sovietologists.

They play back myth about my country,

the propaganda

cliches.

Yet they stubbornly

resist the word of truth.

If a person like Solzhenitsyn is

either defecting or kicked out of USSR,

they try all their best to

discredit him and to discourage him.

I don't have much chance to

appear on National Network

with a true story about my country.

But a useful idiot like

Kendrick Smith or Robert Kaiser,

they are big heroes.

They come back from USSR.

They say, oh, we were talking

to dissidents in Russia.

Big deal.

Soviet dissidents are chasing American

correspondents in the streets,

and they are cowardly

escaping from these contacts.

For some strange reason,

if you want to know more about Spain,

you refer to Spanish writers.

If you want to learn more about French,

you read

French writers.

Even about Antarctica,

I bet you would read penguins.

Only about the Soviet Union,

for some strange reason,

you read Hendrix and Schmendrix

and all kinds of Kissinger's,

because they claim that they

know more about my country.

They know nothing

or next to nothing.

Or they pretend that they know

more than they actually do.

I would say they are dishonest

people who lack integrity and

common sense and intellectual honesty.

They bring back all kind

of stories like that.

A kindergarten in Siberia.

A meeting the most

important fact,

it's a prison for children

of political prisoners.

Another greatest example

of

monumental idiocy of

American politicians,

Edward Kennedy,

was in Moscow.

And he thought that he is a popular,

charismatic American politician

who is easygoing,

who can smile,

dance at the wedding in

Russian palace of marriages.

What he did not understand,

or maybe he pretended not to understand,

that actually he was

being taken for a ride.

This is a staged wedding,

especially to impress foreign media

or useful idiocy like Ed Kennedy.

Most of the guests there,

they had security clearance

and they were instructed

what to say to foreigners.

This is exactly what I was doing.

You can see me in the same damn wedding

palace in

Moscow where Ed Kennedy was dancing here.

You see, smiling.

He thinks he is very smart.

From the viewpoint of Russian

citizens who observe this idiocy,

he is

his narrow-minded,

egocentrical idiot who tries to earn

his own popularity through participation

in propaganda farces like this.

Here you can see myself.

On the right,

again,

exemplary Soviet bride.

On the left,

three journalists from various countries,

Asia,

Africa, and Latin America,

obviously they

enjoying the situation.

They will go back home

and write the reports.

We were present on a

regular Soviet wedding.

They were not present on

a regular Soviet wedding.

They were present.

They were part of a farce,

of a circus performance.

Another thing which

I had to sometimes risking my

life to explain to foreigners,

Time Magazine,

for example,

is very critical of South

African racist regime.

The whole article

was dedicated to the shameful,

which assigns me to a

certain area of residence.

I cannot leave that area,

same way as this black

man cannot leave the

area in South Africa.

Yet we call South

African government racist

regime.

Not a single Jane Schmonda

or Fonda is brave enough,

courageous enough to come

to media and say,

look,

this is what happens in USSR.

I send a copy of my passport to many

American liberals and civil rights

defenders and all the

other useful idiots.

They never

bothered to answer me back.

This shows what kind of integrity,

what kind of honesty these people are.

They are a bunch of hypocrites

because they don't want

to recognize a good

example of racism in my country.

This is the first stage of

befriending a professor.

You can see myself on the left

with the same Jane's bond smile.

On the right is my KGB supervisor,

comrade Leonid Mitrokhin,

and in the middle a professor of

political science in Delhi University.

The next stage would be to

invite him to a gathering of Indo

-Soviet friendship society.

There he is sitting next to his

wife before he is being sent

to USSR for free trip.

Everything is paid by

the Soviet government.

He was made to believe that

he is invited to USSR because

he is a talented,

sober-thinking intellectual.

Absolutely false.

He is invited because he

is a useful idiot,

because he would agree and subscribe to

most of the Soviet propaganda cliche.

And when he is coming

back to his own country,

he is going for years and years

to teach the beauties of Soviet

socialism to newer and newer

generations of his students,

thus promoting the

Soviet propaganda line.

The KGB was even

curious about

this gentleman.

It may look innocent.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,

a great spiritual leader,

or maybe a great charlatan and crook,

depending on which,

from which side you are looking at him.

Beetles were trained at his ashram

in Hardwar in India, how to meditate.

Mia Afaro and other useful

idiots from Hollywood visited

his school,

and they returned back

to the United States,

absolutely zoned out of

their minds with marijuana,

hashish,

and crazy ideas of meditation.

To meditate,

in other words,

to isolate oneself from the current

social and political

issues of your own country.

To get into your own bubble,

to forget about troubles of the world.

Obviously,

KGB was very fascinated with

such a beautiful school,

such a brainwashing center

for stupid Americans.

I was dispatched by

the KGB to check what kind of

VIP Americans attend this school.

At you and the left.

Yes. I am on the left.

I was trying to get

enrolled in that school.

Unfortunately, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi asked too much.

He wanted $500 American for enrollment.

But my function was not actually

to get enrolled in this school.

My function was to discover

what kind of people

from United States attend this school.

And we discovered that, yes,

there are some influential

members of family,

public opinion makers of United States,

who come back with the crazy

stories about Indian philosophy.

Indians themselves look

upon them as idiots,

useful idiots, to

understand Hollywood personality

after being trained in that

school is much more instrumental

in the hands of manipulators of public

opinion and KGB than a normal person

who understands,

who looks through this type of fake

religious training.

Why would they be more

susceptible to manipulation?

I just mention that, because you see,

a person who is too much involved

in introspective meditation,

you see, if you carefully look what

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is teaching

to Americans

is that

most of the problems,

most of the burning issues of today

can be solved simply by meditating.

Don't rock the boat.

Don't get involved.

Just sit down, look at

your navel, and meditate.

The things,

due to some strange logic,

due to cosmic vibration, will settle

down by themselves.

This is exactly what the KGB and Marxist

-Leninist propaganda wants from Americans,

to distract their opinion,

attention,

and mental energy from real issues

of United States into non-issues,

into a non-world,

non-existent harmony.

Obviously, it's more beneficial

for the Soviet aggressors

to have a bunch of duped Americans

than Americans who are self-conscious,

healthy,

physically

fit,

and alert to the reality.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, obviously,

is not on the payroll of the

KGB,

but whether he knows it or not,

he contributes greatly to

demoralization of American society,

and he is not the only one.

There are hundreds of those

gurus who come to your country to

capitalize on naivete and

stupidity of Americans.

It's a fashion.

It's a fashion to meditate.

It's a fashion not to be involved.

So obviously,

you can see that if KGB were

that curious,

if they paid my trip to Hardwar,

if they assigned me to that strange job,

obviously they were very much fascinated.

They were convinced that that type

of brainwashing is very efficient,

instrumental in demoralization

of the United States.

Our conversation with Yuri

Alexandrovich Bezmianov,

who is a defector from the Soviet Union,

a former propaganda agent

for Novosti and the KGB,

will continue after this message.

This picture shows the part of

the building of USSR embassy,

and my supervisors on the left

is Comrade Mehdi,

an Indian communist,

and on the right,

Comrade Mitrohin,

my supervisors in the secret department

of research and counterpropaganda.

It has nothing to do

with either research or

counterpropaganda.

Most of the activity of that

department was to compile huge amount,

volume of information

on individuals

who were instrumental in

creating public opinion,

publishers,

editors,

journalists,

actors,

educationalists,

professors of political science,

members of parliament,

representatives of business circles.

Most of these people were

divided roughly into groups.

Those who would toe the

Soviet foreign policy,

they would be promoted to the

positions of power through media

and public opinion manipulation.

Those who refused the

Soviet influence in their own country

would be character assassinated

or executed physically come revolution.

Same way as in a small town

of Hue and South Vietnam,

several thousands of Vietnamese

were executed in one night

when the city was captured by

Viet Cong for only two days.

An American CIA could never figure

out how could possibly communists

know each

individual,

where he lives,

where to get him,

and would be arrested in one night,

basically,

in some four hours before dawn,

put on a van,

taken out of the city limits and shot.

The answer is very simple.

Long before communists occupied the city,

there was extensive network of informers,

local Vietnamese citizens

who knew absolutely

everything about people who

are instrumental in public opinion,

including barbers and taxi drivers.

Everyone who was sympathetic to

the United States was executed.

Same thing was done

under the guidance of the

Soviet embassy in Hanoi.

And same thing I was doing in New Delhi.

To my horror,

I discovered that in the

files where people were doomed

to execution,

there were names of

pro-Soviet

journalists with whom I

was personally friendly.

Pro-Soviet?

Yes.

They were idealistically minded

leftists

who made several visits to USSR.

And yet

the KGB decided that come

revolution or drastic

changes in political structure

of India,

they will have to go.

Why is that?

Because they know too much,

simply because,

you see,

the useful idiots,

the leftists who are

idealistically believing in the

beauty of Soviet socialists or

communists or whatever system,

when they get disillusioned,

they become the worst enemies.

That's why my KGB instructors

specifically made the point,

never bother with leftists.

Forget about this political prostitute.

Aim higher.

This was my instruction.

Try to get

into large circulation,

established

conservative media,

reach,

filthy reach movie makers,

intellectual so-called academic circles,

cynical,

egocentric people who can look

into your eyes with angelic

expression and tell you a lie.

These are the most recruitable

people, people who lack moral principles,

who are either too greedy

or too suffer from self-importance.

They feel that they matter a lot.

These are the people who KGB wanted

very much to recruit.

But to eliminate the others,

to execute the others,

don't they serve some purpose?

Wouldn't

they be the ones they rely on?

No. They serve purpose only at the

stage of destabilization of a nation.

For example,

your leftists

in United States,

all these professors and all these

beautiful civil rights defenders,

they are instrumental in the

process of the subversion,

only to destabilize a nation.

When their job is completed,

they are not needed anymore.

They know too much.

Some of them,

when they get disillusioned,

when they see that Marxist

-Leninists come to power,

obviously they get offended.

They think that they will come to power.

That will never happen, of course.

They will be lined up

against the wall and shot.

But they may turn into the most bitter

animus of Marxist-Leninists

when they come to power.

And that's what happened in Nicaragua.

You remember most of these former

Marxist-Leninists were either put

to prison or one of them split,

and now he's working against Sandinistas.

It happened in Grenada

when Maurice Bichop was,

he was already a Marxist.

He was executed by a new Marxist who

was more Marxist than this Marxist.

Same happened in Afghanistan

when first there was Taraki.

He was killed

by Amin. Then Amin was killed by

Barbara Carmel with the help of KGB.

Same happened in Bangladesh

when Mujibur Rahman,

very pro-Soviet leftist,

was assassinated by his own

Marxist-Leninist

military comrades.

It's the same pattern everywhere.

The moment they serve their purpose,

all the useful idiots are used,

either be executed entirely,

all the idealistically minded Marxists,

or exiled or put in prisons,

like in Cuba.

Many former Marxists are in Cuba,

I mean,

prison.

So most of the Indians who were

cooperating with the Soviets,

especially without a department

of information of the USSR embassy,

were listed for execution.

And when I discovered that fact,

of course I was sick.

I was mentally and physically sick.

I thought that I'm going to explode

one day during the briefing

at the ambassador's office.

I would stand up and say something

that we are basically

a bunch of murderers.

That's what we are.

There's nothing to do with

friendship and understanding

between the nation and blah,

blah, blah.

We are murderers.

We behave as a bunch of thugs in a

country which is hospitable to us,

a country with ancient traditions.

But I did not defect.

I tried to get the message

across to my horror.

Nobody wanted even to listen,

least of all to believe

what I had to say.

And I tried all kinds of tricks.

I would leak information through

letters or lost documents

or something like that.

And

still I got no message.

The message was not published

even in the conservative

mass media of India.

The immediate impulse to

defect was Bangladesh Crisis,

which was described by

American correspondents

as Islamic grassroots revolution,

which is absolute baloney.

There

was nothing to do with Islam,

and there was no grassroots revolution.

Actually, there are no

grassroots revolutions,

period. Any revolution is a byproduct

of a highly organized group

of conscientious and

professional organizers,

but it has nothing to do with grassroots.

In Bangladesh,

it was nothing

with grassroots.

Most of the Avami League party members,

Avami League means

People's Party,

were trained in Moscow

in the high party school.

Most of the Mukti Fauj leaders,

Mukti Fauj in Bengali

means People's Army,

same as Swapo and all

kind of liberation armies

all over the world,

the same bunch of useful idiots.

They were trained at Lumumbu

University and various centers

of the KGB in Sinferopol,

in Crimea,

in Tashkent.

So when I saw

that India,

Indian territory is being

used as a jumping board

to destroy East Pakistan,

I saw myself,

thousands of so-called students,

traveling through India to East Pakistan,

through the territory of India,

and Indian government pretended not

to see what was going on.

They knew perfectly well.

The Indian police knew it.

The intelligence

department of Indian government knew it.

The KGB, of course, knew

it. And the CIA knew it.

That was most infuriating,

because when I defected and I

explained to the CIA debriefers,

they should watch out,

because East Pakistan is

going to erupt any moment.

They said I was

reading too many James Bond novels.

Anyway,

so East Pakistan was doomed.

One of my colleagues

in the Soviet consulate in Calcutta,

when he was dead drunk,

he ventured into the basement

to relieve himself.

And he founded big boxes

which said printed matter

to Dhaka University.

Dhaka is the capital of East Pakistan.

And since he was drunk and curious,

he opened one of the boxes,

and he discovered not printed matter.

He discovered Kalashnikov

guns and ammunition in there.

Anyway,

it's a long story.

When I saw the preparations for

the invasion into East Pakistan,

obviously I wanted to defect immediately.

The only thing I couldn't

at that time make up my

mind when and where and how.

One of the reasons,

of course,

you see,

I was

in love with India.

I mentioned that before.

I spoke the languages.

I socialized with people.

And I understood that

I had to act fast

unless I want this

beautiful country to be

permanently and irreparably

damaged by our presence.

One of the reasons not to

defect was, as you can see,

I was living in relative affluence.

Who the hell in a normal

mind would defect and do what?

To be abused by your media,

to be called McCarthyist

and fascist and paranoid,

or to drive a taxi in New York City.

What for? What the hell

for should I defect?

To be abused by Americans,

to be insulted in

exchange for my effort to

bring the truthful information about

impending danger or subversion.

As you can see,

I was living in quite a comfortable

conditions next to swimming pool,

where Indians were not allowed,

by the way.

I was highly paid expert in propaganda.

I had my family.

I was respected by my nation.

My career was cloudless.

The third reason,

how to defect with the family.

To defect with the baby

and the wife would be

virtual suicide, because

according to law,

that hypocritical law

which I quoted before,

the Indian police will have to

hand me over back to the KGB.

And that will be the end of my

defection and probably my life.

Again,

I cannot smuggle my wife,

because she was not quite

sure what I was doing.

She was not that idealistically

involved,

and she was definitely not

in the

total picture of what I was doing for the

KGB.

She would be shocked

if I,

you know,

put her in my

van and drive her to the

American embassy or elsewhere.

That would be the greatest danger.

So,

again, I had to defect in such a

way that my defection would

look as simple disappearance.

And there were many cases like

that when the Soviet

agents simply disappeared,

either killed in action

or thanks to their

curiosity and their close

contacts with radicals.

Some of them were killed by the Marxists,

by the way.

It happened in many African

countries when the Soviet KGB were

killed by Africans themselves,

not because they hated Marxist Leninists,

but because they were

simply trigger-happy,

bunch of unruly characters.

If you give them machine guns,

they will shoot.

And some of the Soviets

obviously were not careful

enough to protect themselves.

And they got into embarrassing

situations when they were shot

at the crossfire between factions

of so-called liberation movements.

Anyway,

so I decided,

as I said, to study the counterculture,

I decided this probably would

be the best way to disappear.

I socialized with characters

like this on the left.

You see, he's a barefoot

American hippie.

It took me quite a long time to

study exactly what they were

doing and how to mix with them.

But eventually I did it.

Most of the Indian newspapers

carried my picture and promise

of 2,000 rupees for information

about my whereabouts.

But they were looking for a wrong person,

because they obviously tried to stop

a young Soviet diplomat in

white shirt and tie.

And this is

how I looked at the time of defection.

Nobody could possibly think

that the Soviet diplomat

would be as crazy as to

join a bunch of hippies.

That's you.

Yes,

travel India and Smokash.

So I made it

literally almost like a Hollywood-style

detective story.

From under the nose of

the KGB in Bombay Airport,

I landed the plane and

I flew to Greece,

where I was debriefed by the CIA.

That's basically most,

that's all for my slides.

We can turn off the projection.

And that's very interesting.

When you spoke several times

before about ideological subversion,

that is a phrase that I'm afraid some

Americans don't fully understand.

When the Soviets used the

phrase ideological subversion,

what do they mean by it?

Ideological subversion

is the process which

is legitimate,

overt,

and open.

You can see it with your own eyes.

All you have to do,

all American mass media has to do is to

unplug their bananas from their ears,

open up their eyes,

and they can see it.

There is no mystery.

There is nothing to do with espionage.

I know that espionage intelligence

gathering looks more romantic.

It sells more deodorants through

the advertising probably.

That's why your Hollywood

producers are so crazy about James

Bond type of thrillers.

But in reality,

the main emphasis of the

KGB is not in the area

of intelligence at all.

According to my opinion and opinion

of many defectors of my caliber,

only about 15 percent of time,

money,

and manpower

is spent on espionage as such.

The other 85 percent is a slow process

which we call either

ideological subversion

or active measures,

actively mira priyatia in

the language of the KGB

or psychological warfare.

What it basically means is to

change the perception of reality

of every

American

to such an extent

that despite of the

abundance of information,

no one is able to come

to sensible conclusions

in the interests of defending themselves,

their families,

their community,

and their country.

It's a great brainwashing process

which goes very slow and is

divided in four basic stages.

The first one being demoralization.

It takes from 15 to 20 years

to demoralize a nation.

Why that many years?

Because this is the minimum

number of years which requires to

educate one

generation of students in the

country of your enemy exposed

to the ideology of the enemy.

In other words,

Marxism-Leninism ideology is being

pumped into the soft heads of at least

three generations of American

students without being challenged

or counterbalanced by the

basic values of Americanism,

American patriotism.

The result?

The result you can see.

Most of the people who

graduated in the sixties,

dropouts or half-baked intellectuals,

are now occupying the positions

of power in the government,

civil service,

business,

mass media,

educational

system.

You are stuck with them.

You cannot get rid of them.

They are contaminated.

They are programmed to think and react

to certain stimuli in a certain pattern.

You cannot change their mind even if you

expose them to authentic information,

even if you prove that white is

white and black is black.

You still cannot change the basic

perception and the logic of behavior.

In other words,

these people,

the process of demoralization

is complete and irreversible.

To get rid of society of these people,

you need

another 20 or 15 years

to educate a new

generation of patriotically

minded and common sense people

who would be acting in favor and

in the interests of the

United States society.

And yet these people

who have been programmed

and as you say in place and

who are favorable to an opening

with the Soviet concept,

these are the very people who would be

marked for extermination in this country.

Most of them,

simply because

the psychological shock

when they will see in future what

the beautiful society of equality and

social justice means in practice,

obviously they will revolt.

They will be very unhappy,

frustrated people.

And the Marxist-Leninist regime

does not tolerate these people.

They obviously they will

join the links of dissenters,

dissidents.

Unlike in present United States,

there will be no place for dissent in

future Marxist-Leninist America.

Here you can get popular like Daniel

Ellsberg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda

for being dissident,

for criticizing your Pentagon.

In future, these people will be simply

squashed like cockroaches.

Nobody is going to pay them nothing for

their beautiful noble ideas of equality.

This they don't understand and it will

be greatest shock for them, of course.

The demoralization process in the United

States is basically completed already

for the last 25 years.

Actually,

it's over fulfilled because demoralization

now reaches such areas where

previously not even comrade on drop off

and all his

experts would even dream of

such a tremendous success.

Most of it is done by Americans,

to Americans,

thanks to lack of moral standards.

As I mentioned before,

exposure to true information

does not matter anymore.

A person who was demoralized

is unable to assess true information.

The facts

tell nothing to him.

Even if I shower him with information,

with authentic proof,

with documents,

with pictures.

Even if I take him by force to the Soviet

Union and show him concentration camp,

he will refuse to believe it until he is

going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.

When a military boot crashes,

then he will understand,

but not before that.

That's the tragic of the

situation of demoralization.

So basically America is stuck

with demoralization.

And unless,

even if you start right now,

here,

this minute,

you start educating new

generation of Americans,

it will still take you 15 to 20

years to turn the tide of

ideological perception of reality

back to normalcy and patriotism.

The next stage is destabilization.

This time subverter doesn't

care about your ideas and the

patterns of your consumption.

Whether you eat junk food

and get fat and flab,

it doesn't matter anymore.

This time,

and it takes only from two to five

years to destabilize a nation,

it's,

what matters is essentials.

Economy,

foreign relations,

defense systems.

And you can see it quite

clearly that in some areas,

in such sensitive areas

as defense and economy,

that the influence of Marxist

-Leninist ideas in the United

States is absolutely fantastic.

I could never believe it 14 years ago

when I landed in this part of the world,

that the process will go that fast.

The next stage, of course, is crisis.

It may take only up

to six weeks to bring a

country to the verge of crisis.

You can see it in Central America now.

And after crisis,

with a violent change of power,

structure,

and economy,

you have so-called the

period of normalization.

It may last indefinitely.

Normalization is a cynical

expression

borrowed from Soviet propaganda.

When the Soviet tanks moved

into Czechoslovakia in 1968,

comrade Brezhnev said,

now the situation in brotherly

Czechoslovakia is normalized.

This is what will happen in the United

States if you allow all the schmucks

to bring the country to crisis,

to promise people all kind of

goodies and the paradise on Earth,

to destabilize

your economy,

to eliminate the principle

of free market competition,

and to put a big brother

government

in Washington,

D.C.,

with benevolent dictators

like Walter Mondale,

who will promise

lots of things,

never mind whether the

promises are fulfilled or not.

He will go to Moscow to

kiss the bottoms of new

generation of Soviet assassins.

Never mind.

He will create false illusions that

the situation is under control.

Situation is not under control.

Situation is disgustingly out of control.

Most of the American politicians,

media,

and educational system

trains another generation

of people who think they are

living at a peacetime.

False.

United States is in the state of war.

Undeclared total

war against the basic principles

and the foundations of this system.

And the initiator of this war

is not comrade Andropov,

of course.

It's the system.

However ridiculous it may sound,

the world communist system or

the world communist conspiracy,

whether I scare some people or not,

I don't give a hood.

If you are not scared by now,

nothing can scare you.

But you don't have to

be paranoid about it.

What actually happens now

that unlike myself,

you have

literally several years to live

on unless United States wake up.

The time bomb is ticking.

With every second,

the disaster is coming closer and closer.

Unlike myself,

you will have nowhere to defect to.

Unless you want to live in

Antarctica with penguins.

This is the last country

of freedom and possibility.

OK.

So what do we do?

What is your recommendation

to the American people?

Well,

the immediate thing that

comes to my mind is,

of course,

there must be a very strong

national effort to educate people

in the spirit of real patriotism,

number one. Number two,

to explain them the real

danger of socialist,

communist,

whatever,

welfare state,

big brother government.

If people will fail to grasp the

impending danger

of that development,

nothing ever can help United States.

You may kiss goodbye to your freedom,

including freedoms

to homosexuals,

to prison inmates.

All this freedom will vanish,

evaporating in five seconds,

including your precious lives.

The second thing,

the moment at least part of

United States population is

convinced that the danger is real.

They have to force their government.

And I'm not talking

about sending letters,

signing petitions

and all this beautiful, noble activity.

I'm talking about forcing

United States government

to stop aiding communism.

Because there is no other problem,

more burning and urgent

than to stop the Soviet

military industrial complex

from destroying whatever

is left of the free world.

And it is very easy to do.

No credits,

no technology,

no money,

no political or diplomatic recognition.

And of course,

no such idiocy as grain deals to USSR.

The Soviet people,

270 millions of Soviets,

will be eternally thankful to you.

If you stop aiding a bunch of murderers

who sit now in Kremlin and whom President

Reagan respectfully calls government,

they do not govern anything.

List of all such complexities

as the Soviet economy.

So basic,

two very simple,

maybe two simplistic answers

or solutions.

But nevertheless,

they are the only solutions.

Educate yourself,

understand what's going on around you.

You are not living at the time of peace.

You are in a state of war.

And you have precious little

time to save yourself.

You don't have much time,

especially if you are talking

about young generation.

There's not much time left

for convulsions

to the beautiful disco music.

Very soon it will go just overnight.

If we are talking about capitalists

or wealthy businessmen,

they, I think they are selling the

rope on which they will hang very soon.

If they don't stop,

if they cannot curb the

unsettled desire for profit,

and if they keep on trading with

the monster of the Soviet communism,

they are going to hang very soon.

And they will pray to be killed,

but unfortunately they

will be sent to Alaska

probably to manage

industry of slaves.

It's simplistic.

I know it sounds unpleasant.

I know

Americans don't like to listen

to things which are unpleasant.

But I have defected not to

tell you the stories about such idiocies

as microfilm,

James Bond type espionage.

This is garbage.

You don't need any espionage anymore.

I have come to talk about survival.

It's a question of

survival of this system.

You may ask me what is it for me?

Survival,

obviously.

Because unlike,

as I said,

I am now in your boat.

If we sing together,

we'll sing beautifully together.

There is no other place on

this planet to defect to.