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-As a kid,
I loved war movies.
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Especially anything
happen to do with airplanes.
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So as soon as I graduated
from High School, I
enlisted in the Air Force.
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I was fascinated by
the technology of war.
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Jet engines, radar.
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But I never saw
action during my service.
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I never had to confront
making the ultimate
sacrifice for my country.
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More than a million soldiers
have laid down their lives
in the name of this country.
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They did it because, they
believed the wars they fought
were necessary, and just.
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Every country is
proud of its veterans.
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And there are cemeteries
all around the world
just like this one.
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They are reminders of the
terrible human cost of war.
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Can we put an end
to this sacrifice?
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Is war inevitable?
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Or can we ever hope
for a lasting peace?
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Is technology making war
more likely, and more deadly?
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-I killed three people.
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Two of them were
obliterated into pieces.
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-If one nuclear weapon is
used, it would be mutually
assured destruction.
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MORGAN: Is peace simply
the absence of war?
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So this is the peace wall.
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It's put up for protection?
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-Yes because
violence does flare up.
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MORGAN: And can we ever
move beyond our urge to fight?
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-Even after genocide, revenge
doesn't allow you to move on.
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*
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MORGAN: This is my journey.
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To discover the
ties that bind us.
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And the common
humanity inside us.
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This is The Story Of Us.
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*
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I'm on my way to a remote
region of southern Ethiopia
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to meet two tribes
that have been warring
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with one another
for generations.
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The Dassanech
and the Nyangatom.
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The Dassanech and
Nyangatom societies
center around cattle.
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But in this
arid environment good
grazing land is scarce.
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And it's often the
flash point for conflict.
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John Lomala, a member of
the Dassanech, has invited
me to his village to witness
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a peace ceremony,
an effort by the tribal
elders, to end the fighting.
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So John,
tell me, where am I?
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-You are in a Dassanech
village called Damech.
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-Damech?
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-Damech is a
village of Dassanech.
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And Dassanech is
people of the Delta.
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-People of the Delta?
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I mean I live in a Delta
also in Mississippi so, we
have that much in common.
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-In this village when I was
born, my family was telling
me that my enemy is Nyangatom.
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They kill my uncle,
they kill my aunt.
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-Wait a minute,
you're telling me that
these small villages,
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you fight and
kill each other?
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-Yes.
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We have been fighting,
over the pasture yeah, over
the pasture water, grass.
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Here you need to
have cows to have a wife.
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And if you don't have
anything you should go
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and steal some
animals and get a wife.
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-And that starts the fight?
-Exactly.
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-So, about how many
people have been killed
in the last, two years?
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-I don't know the exact
number but, maybe 20.
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-That's a lot, that's a lot
of people in a small village.
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-He is a Dassanech warrior.
-Are you?
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-Yeah, you can see
he cut his chest.
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This is a symbol
of a warrior.
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This signifies that
he has killed an enemy.
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-How many men do you kill?
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(speaking in native language).
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-He said two.
-Two?
-Yes.
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-Was it a fight?
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(speaking in native language).
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-He say with AK47, not
his spear, he use his AK47.
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-How does he
feel about that?
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-He's happy because,
he's a warrior you know,
everybody afraid of him.
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MORGAN: John explains to me
that there is tension between
the young men who want to
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prove themselves and
get married, and the elders,
who want to end the killing.
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-People are losing their
lives, people are dying.
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-Okay.
-So the elders decided
to have peace ceremony.
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-So now the elders have
said that's enough, we gotta
get together and stop this.
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-And make peace and
bring people together.
-So how does it work?
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What is the first thing?
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-So, the first thing
is we give a message
to the young warriors.
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Message is, tell the
Nyangatom we want them
to come to our village,
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we offer peace ceremony.
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If the time comes, the
Nyangatom will come.
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-Is that them?
-Yeah that's them.
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-Alright now, what
are they doing?
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-Now the Dassanech elders,
they are with a calabash
full of clean water.
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They're there to bless
them, welcome, welcome,
welcome to our village.
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Welcome to our village.
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-Welcome, not blessing.
-And they're washing the sins.
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MORGAN: To show their
commitment to peace, the
Dassanech sacrifice a cow,
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a valuable asset at the
root of their conflict.
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Both tribes will feast
on the meat later but first,
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they must perform a
ritual with the cow's innards.
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That's actually
the stomach contents.
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Like, first
stomach of a cow.
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The grassy stomach
contents represent the
contested grazing land.
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Smearing it on each other
was a step towards being able
to share this contested land.
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Now, the peace
talks can begin.
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(speaking in native language).
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-He's saying
that the last peace
was spoiled by this tribe
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because of their stealing.
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So, from now on we want to
stop these kind of activities.
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May God support us.
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(speaking in native language).
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-So he's cursing,
also the thieves.
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-And the people who
are answering are saying
something like, "amen."
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-Amen, exactly.
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MORGAN: The elders persuade
the young warriors that the
cycle of cattle raiding
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and killing has
hurt both tribes.
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But I want to ask the
elders how confident they
are in this new peace.
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-We have two people
from different tribes, from
Dassanech tribe is this elder.
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This elder
is from Nyangatom.
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-Okay, when
was the last time you
had a peace ceremony?
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(speaking in native language).
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-Seven years ago.
-Seven years ago?
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Do you expect it
to last a long time?
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(speaking in native language).
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-He is saying that when
we are one, when we come
together and we pray God,
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of course he
will give us peace.
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-Of course.
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(speaking in native language).
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And I hope this peace
lasts a long time, a long time.
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Thank you.
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As the ceremony
ends, I notice a Nyangatom
and a Dassanech elder leaving
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the village together.
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Where are
those two men going?
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-They are going
to bury a spear.
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They used to use the
spear to kill each others,
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so we are brothers
then why cannot we bury what
we used to kill each others.
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They are saying we are
enough, enough is enough
so no more conflict,
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no more war.
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-Since the dawn of society,
people have waged war,
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primarily over
limited resources.
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Where people live off the
land and there is not enough
good land to go around,
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war becomes an inevitable
part of the cycle of life.
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The best you can do is
what the Dassanech and the
Nyangatom are trying to do.
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Find a balance
between war and peace.
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Around the world, we
continue to fight over land,
and other natural resources,
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as we have done for millennia.
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And, like the Ethiopian elders
we long for peace, because
of the horrors of battle.
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But technology is causing
a fundamental shift in the
balance of war and peace.
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Drone warfare means
that soldiers don't have
to be on the battlefield
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to engage in the fight.
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Over the past few
decades, the United States
has targeted more than
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4,000 suspected
terrorists in drone strikes.
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Those strikes have
killed more than 6,600 people.
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But opponents see
drones as a threat to peace.
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They believe drones
lower the barrier to war
and kill many more innocent
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civilians than
officially reported.
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I'm meeting former
US Air Force drone
operator Brandon Bryant.
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He is a fierce critic of
the American Drone Program.
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-I have concerns about how
the drone community operates.
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I think that there should be
independent investigations
and transparencies about the
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responsible use of any
weapon systems capable of
killing another human being.
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-I was a little kid
during World War II.
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And following the
end of the war of course,
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glory, bravery
and patriotism,
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it's instilled in
me and, where do I go?
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Air Force, how
do you feel going in?
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-So when I joined the
military I really did
it, to serve my country.
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But when I got to the
drone base I didn't
know what I was doing,
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they didn't tell me
anything until I got there.
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They put me in a small
theater with about 25 other
individuals and then they
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played a montage
video of drone strikes.
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And Sergeant after it's
done and he's standing
at parade rest,
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he's like "your
job is to kill people
and break things,"
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and I was
just like "holy (bleep)."
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What am I doing?
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-What is it like
flying a drone?
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-I was an MQ-1 Bravo
Predator Sensor operator.
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So I control the
camera and the missiles.
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Like that's my job.
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The pilot keeps the aircraft
in the air and basically
we support one another.
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If you look out
the window actually,
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if you look down there
that's kind of the same...
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paradigm view that we have.
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If there's a target to be
attacked, they're like okay
this is what's going on.
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You're gonna watch a
person outside this guy's house.
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I mean you're just waiting
for an opportunity for them
to get into a location,
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you're gonna shoot em.
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-Do you know how many kills?
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-13 directly, my first shot
it was at winter in the
mountains of Afghanistan.
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I killed three people...
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two of them were obliterated
into pieces and one of them,
watched him bleed out and then
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watched an infrared become
the same color as the
ground that he died on.
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-Is there remorse or there
was like, consternation?
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-I'm sitting there like, I
just watched a man bleed out.
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That felt horrible,
I wanted to cry, I
felt you know, you feel the
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"this is what
I just did", the
adrenaline rush.
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I mean, it was all sorts
of weird, weird feelings.
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MORGAN: On one mission,
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Brandon was given the
orders to strike a house.
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Right after firing
the missile, he saw what he
believed to be a small child
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walking into the structure.
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But it was too late to abort.
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MORGAN: Technology
has shifted the delicate
balance between war and peace
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many times in human history.
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But drones might be the
biggest disruptors yet, making
war possible at merely the
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push of a button and posing
new moral dilemmas for
soldiers thousands of miles
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from the battlefield.
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Air Force Drone operator
Brandon Bryant is sure he
killed an innocent child who
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walked into the strike
zone he had just targeted.
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His superiors
insisted he killed a dog.
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-You get into that
position where you just
don't feel like you have
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any power to
change anything.
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I felt the helplessness
and that is another sense
of post-traumatic stress.
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I don't know how I
survived it, mentally or
spiritually it was hard.
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-Survivor's guilt.
-Hmm, hmm.
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MORGAN: When Brandon left
the Service after six years,
he received a certificate.
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It stated that over
2,300 people had been killed
due to intelligence gathered
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on his drone missions.
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How did you feel
when you saw that number?
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-Once I had that sheet, I
recognized that the
background noise in my dreams
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was a legion of ghosts.
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I was haunted by every tally
mark on that piece of paper.
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It really hit home with
how much we can know and
how little we actually
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know of who
these people are.
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Like they're just numbers.
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They're just a
tick on a database.
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MORGAN: Successive
US administrations have
maintained that drone missions
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are effective and
reduce civilian deaths.
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-These strikes were legal.
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They are ethical
and they are wise.
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MORGAN: But Brandon thinks
America's increasing
dependence on drones,
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is fundamentally changing
our attitude to war.
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-You know I've heard all
the justifications for
doing what I've done.
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Maybe if it was used
ethically or more responsibly,
I could be okay with it.
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But we were just
told our job is to kill
people and break things,
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that's what
we're going to do.
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And that doesn't
sit well with me.
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-You think this is
a worse way to fight a war
than conventional warfare?
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-I think that we
need to reassess how we're
utilizing this technology.
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Cause it's so easily abused.
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You no longer need to train
someone to go into combat,
you just need to train someone
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to control a joystick
and press the button, and
take another person's life.
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MORGAN: Brandon thinks
he's seen the future of war.
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And he doesn't
like where it's headed.
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He dutifully completed
thousands of hours of drone
missions for the Air Force.
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But now,
he has a new mission.
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He believes that by
revealing the inner workings
of the drone program,
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we can all come to understand
the consequences of using
such hi tech killing machines.
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With our ever growing
population, and our ever
developing technology,
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humanities long
tradition of fighting over
limited resources seems
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destined only to intensify.
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But I heard about an ancient
ritual in South America
that may offer a solution.
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Anthropologist
Kate Centellas is traveling
to the town of Macha,
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in the highlands
of Bolivia to witness a
celebration called Tinku.
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She's meeting
Wilber Garnica Fajardo,
a member of the Quechua,
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an indigenous Bolivian group.
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-Welcome to Macha.
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-I'm really glad
to be in Macha because
I've never seen Tinku
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and I've been studying
Bolivia for a long time.
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Can you tell me a
little bit about what's
going on here today?
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-We are waiting
for the big fiesta.
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They will celebrate
the end of the harvest.
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-And that's called Tinku?
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Is that right?
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-Tinku is part of this
big party we have,
every fourth of May.
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MORGAN: Approximately 3,000
people from 60 highland
and lowland communities
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surrounding Macha travel
to the town square to
take part in the festival.
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It's a harvest celebration,
and an act of thanksgiving to
the mother goddess Pachamama.
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-For us, for the
Andean people, Pachamama
is Mother Earth.
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MORGAN: The day begins
with music, ritualistic
marching, dances,
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and plenty of chichi,
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a libation made
from fermented corn.
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-It's like the end
of the year for us, with
the end of the harvest
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and we have a big explosion.
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MORGAN: The energy
and excitement builds
until, right on cue...
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fighting breaks out.
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MORGAN: Every year,
on the fourth of May, a
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town square in the Bolivian
highlands becomes a battlefield.
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Tinku is a ritual war in
honor of the local Quechua
people's mother goddess.
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-The Tinku has started,
so there are fights one to one.
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If in this day you are
bleeding, means you are giving
to the Gods to Pachamama.
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-Are they really
angry with each other?
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-No, not angry.
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They're 100%
with a high emotion.
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-So how do they
know who to fight?
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-Always between a guy
from the lowlands, against
a guy from the highlands.
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MORGAN: Tinku is a blood
offering to Pachamama.
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But it also has a
more practical function.
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It's a release of aggression
between rival groups that
might otherwise get into
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deadly disputes over land.
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-And so how do they
know when it's done,
when a Tinku is done?
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-They get exhausted,
or someone is bleeding.
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In that case they stop.
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MORGAN: As the day and
the drinking go on, larger
groups start to brawl.
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Eventually, the police
step in, firing tear
gas to stop the Tinku
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from getting out of control.
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-So, there was a lot of
aggression out there and it,
it looked really chaotic and
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there was a lot of violence.
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Do you think that that helps
the communities maintain
peace between one another,
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over the year?
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-Yes of course.
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If they don't have the
Tinku, they go out, without
liberating their energy.
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So today, people return
back to home satisfied.
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-And that helps prevent
these other uncontrolled acts
of violence in some ways?
298
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-Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it helps yes.
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-Tinku may sound brutal.
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Violence for violence sake.
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But it gives the Quechua a
way to work with human nature.
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It provides an outlet
for the aggressions that
build up inside all of us.
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I think it's pretty ingenious.
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Instead of letting
tensions boil over into
all-out war, once a year,
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they get it out
of their system.
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Could the Quechua
model for keeping the
peace work elsewhere?
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Sadly, the gulf between
warring factions in many parts
of the world seems too great.
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Their only apparent
pathway to peace is segregation.
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I'm on my way to
Belfast, to Northern Ireland.
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For hundreds of years
Ireland has been ground zero
in a struggle of loyalties to
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religion and nation.
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On the one side,
Catholics, who want to join
the Republic of Ireland.
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On the other, Protestants,
loyal to the United Kingdom.
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Between 1968 and 1998,
in a period known as
"The Troubles,"
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more than
3,000 people were killed.
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To stem the terrible violence
of the troubles, over 100
walls like this were put up
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across Northern Ireland,
segregating Catholic and
Protestant neighborhoods.
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When the war ended in
1998 the walls remained.
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Warring sides divided
brought an end to war but,
is that the same as peace?
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I'm meeting a man who has
lived his whole life in the
shadow of one of these walls.
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His name is Daniel Walsh.
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-Hi Morgan nice to meet ya.
-Hi, Daniel, how are you man?
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-Yeah, all good, yeah.
-That's great.
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So this is the peace wall?
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-This is what's known as
the interface, between
the two communities.
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-Interface between the
Protestants and the Catholics?
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-And the Catholics, yes.
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-And which side of
the wall are we on now?
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-We're on the national
side, the Catholic side.
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-The Catholic side,
the National side.
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So, you've never
not known this wall?
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-It's all I've known.
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-It is put up for protection?
-Yes.
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-To protect you or from
them, or them from you?
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-You could say from both.
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It's not all one sided.
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-But is there much
violence that goes on now?
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-There were attacks
ranging from golf
balls to glass bottles
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paint bombs around here.
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There was one time
where my one year old son,
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brought him out to the
door for some fresh air and
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we were standing here
and I had him in me arms.
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And there was a guy
across the street who
is not my biggest fan.
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-Across the street in
one of those windows or?
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-Yeah, he had a clear
view of myself and my son.
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A few minutes later he
had a large piece of masonry,
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had come over and just
bounced off my roof there.
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And it landed not too
far away from me with the
intent of doing some damage
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to myself or my son.
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And luckily it landed
you know, away from us.
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MORGAN: Daniel got tired
of the simmering conflict.
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So he enrolled
in a program that put
together people living
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on opposite
sides of the walls.
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He has struck a friendship
with a Protestant woman,
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something that is not
only rare, but even dangerous
in Northern Ireland.
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I don't know your name.
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I'm not gonna
show your face.
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And I'm
disguising your voice.
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-Yep.
-Why is that?
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-Some people don't like
the idea of Protestant and
Catholic being together.
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And they've seen that
I got too friendly with
the Catholic people.
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They came to my house
and threatened me, I was
homeless for six months,
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I had to move.
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00:25:38,488 --> 00:25:40,515
-This isn't a couple
of neighbors coming
round and saying we're
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not happy with this.
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This is sinister people
with violence in their mind.
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-Do you think you could have
been seriously harmed?
-Yes.
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-Just by having
a Catholic friend?
-Yes.
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-Tell me about who
you are yourself?
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As much as you can?
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-I'm a Protestant.
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I was 11 year old when
the trouble started.
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I've seen a few people being
shot and another person,
his head was blown off.
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It was very, very hard
growing up in those days.
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00:26:17,311 --> 00:26:19,339
-What did you think
about Catholics?
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-When I was young I
never liked them because,
I never really knew them.
377
00:26:24,357 --> 00:26:26,319
-What about you Daniel?
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Did you grow up with an
idea about Protestants?
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-They were, not so much
the enemy but, they certainly
weren't your friend.
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-The Good Friday Accord
signed in 1998 to all
intents and purposes,
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that would end the
violence between Catholics
and Protestants in Ireland.
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But it didn't.
383
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-Why do you
think it didn't?
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-That should have been it.
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But you still have elements
who don't want to be seen as
giving in to the other side.
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00:27:00,090 --> 00:27:06,205
-There was families that
their loved ones was murdered
through the troubles and it's
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harder for them to forgive.
388
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,917
-The Good Friday Agreement
was a nice idea um, on paper.
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But totally left behind were
the people in the communities
who were suffering
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and are still suffering.
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There was no effort at all to
bring those people together.
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-What do you hope for Ireland?
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-Well it's education and
having both communities being,
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and working together
from the very outset of life.
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It's much, much harder
as adults to bring people
together when they're
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brainwashed to
think a certain way.
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-Catholic and
Protestant are not enemies.
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We're human.
399
00:27:47,221 --> 00:27:51,908
-Well I can see that
that would be a big wish,
from both of your sides.
400
00:27:53,437 --> 00:27:55,033
I want to thank you
both very, very much.
401
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Particularly you.
402
00:27:57,726 --> 00:27:59,353
-Thank you.
-I hope we're not
blowing your cover.
403
00:28:04,571 --> 00:28:07,331
Robert Frost wrote "good
fences make good neighbors."
404
00:28:08,795 --> 00:28:11,951
But I don't think he was
imagining a 30 foot barricade.
405
00:28:14,644 --> 00:28:17,303
Daniel's house was attacked.
406
00:28:17,335 --> 00:28:20,127
His Protestant
friend fled her home.
407
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:27,906
But, as long as
there are people like them,
people who dare to cross the
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divide I believe,
there is hope for peace.
409
00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:36,149
I think their simple
act of friendship,
and others like it,
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will eventually
tear down this wall.
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00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:49,212
Northern Ireland isn't alone
in equating the separation
of warring sides with peace.
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This uneasy form of
peace exists even where
there are no walls.
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For decades, we've
maintained global peace
by the threat of a war
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that would destroy us all.
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00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:04,635
But can this
nuclear peace last?
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MORGAN: I went to a school
like this back in the 50s.
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The dawn of the Cold War.
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Back then, children all
over the country were taught
"duck and cover" drills.
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As if hiding under
your desk would protect
you from a nuclear attack.
420
00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:36,445
Well thankfully,
the bombs never came.
421
00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:42,394
Many did say that that's
because, nuclear weapons were
entirely too destructive.
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00:29:44,255 --> 00:29:46,915
The threat of
total annihilation
kept global peace.
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00:29:49,108 --> 00:29:51,335
And it worked
during the Cold War.
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But how long will
it keep working?
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To answer that question,
I'm traveling to London to
meet Nobel Peace Prize winner,
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Doctor Mohammed ElBaradei.
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00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:10,082
As the Director
of the International
Atomic Energy Agency,
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he was responsible for UN
nuclear weapons inspections.
429
00:30:15,666 --> 00:30:19,687
This included determining
whether Iraq had
nuclear weapons in 2003.
430
00:30:21,915 --> 00:30:26,535
-We have to date found no
evidence that Iraq has revived
its nuclear weapon program
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since the elimination of
the program in the 1990s.
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MORGAN: We decided
to meet for our discussion
of global brinkmanship at
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Bellerby and Company,
a maker of hand crafted globes.
434
00:30:39,299 --> 00:30:44,750
Could you
just show me, how many
countries we know,
435
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have nuclear weapons?
436
00:30:47,276 --> 00:30:50,534
-We have nine for sure.
-Yeah.
437
00:30:50,566 --> 00:30:52,827
-We have the United States.
-Hmm, hmm.
438
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:55,286
-Then, Russia.
439
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,746
Together they have 90%
of the nuclear weapons.
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90%.
441
00:30:59,973 --> 00:31:01,103
-These two...
442
00:31:01,136 --> 00:31:03,629
-And then,
United Kingdom, France.
443
00:31:03,662 --> 00:31:05,524
And then we go to China.
444
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:09,380
India, Pakistan, then Israel.
445
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:11,972
-Israel.
-North Korea.
446
00:31:12,005 --> 00:31:15,927
So these are the nine
we know for sure they
have nuclear weapons.
447
00:31:17,191 --> 00:31:20,748
We have two or three we have
discovered who were cheating,
you know like Iraq and Libya.
448
00:31:21,944 --> 00:31:24,437
You know unfortunately,
they try to do
what the big boys do.
449
00:31:25,998 --> 00:31:28,193
Which is develop
this horrible weapons.
450
00:31:28,227 --> 00:31:30,453
-Get a big stick.
-Absolutely.
451
00:31:34,907 --> 00:31:39,560
-Now there are some
politicians, generals,
452
00:31:41,554 --> 00:31:46,905
who will say that we are
ultimately safer in the world
because of nuclear weapons.
453
00:31:48,502 --> 00:31:50,696
Nobody dares use them.
454
00:31:52,192 --> 00:31:56,745
-The risk that they will
be used through miscalculation,
through human error.
455
00:31:57,675 --> 00:32:00,037
Through unauthorized use.
456
00:32:00,069 --> 00:32:02,628
Through extremists
getting their hand
on a nuclear weapon,
457
00:32:03,725 --> 00:32:05,951
is higher by the day.
458
00:32:05,985 --> 00:32:09,542
-What are the odds of us
surviving as we are with
the nuclear weapons?
459
00:32:11,205 --> 00:32:15,026
-Bill Perry,
Secretary of Defense of
the US said to this day,
460
00:32:16,521 --> 00:32:20,378
that we manage to avoid
nuclear catastrophe by
461
00:32:20,411 --> 00:32:22,903
good luck rather
than good management.
462
00:32:23,968 --> 00:32:27,458
We might be able to make it
five, ten, 20 years, you know.
463
00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:29,584
-But eventually...
464
00:32:29,618 --> 00:32:32,443
-But eventually, chickens
are coming home to roost.
465
00:32:37,395 --> 00:32:41,683
-Mohamed spent his career
trying to stave off one nuclear
escalation after another.
466
00:32:43,711 --> 00:32:46,869
But he retains a
glimmer of hope for peace.
467
00:32:48,265 --> 00:32:50,924
Ever since the beginning of
mankind, we've been at war.
468
00:32:51,921 --> 00:32:53,417
Biblically
there's Cain and Abel.
469
00:32:54,214 --> 00:32:56,143
Do you think we'll
ever be able to overcome
that part of our
470
00:32:56,176 --> 00:33:01,561
genetic structure
that makes us, war like?
471
00:33:02,722 --> 00:33:05,183
-I have to
believe that we can.
472
00:33:05,217 --> 00:33:09,304
You know I have to
believe in the goodness
of human spirit you know.
473
00:33:10,102 --> 00:33:12,296
-The interconnectivity
that we have
today due to technology,
474
00:33:13,128 --> 00:33:15,088
isn't that going to
be of some use to us?
475
00:33:15,122 --> 00:33:16,318
-I think so.
476
00:33:16,351 --> 00:33:18,479
We have to
talk to each other.
477
00:33:18,512 --> 00:33:20,906
We have to
educate each other.
478
00:33:20,938 --> 00:33:23,464
We have to
understand each other.
479
00:33:23,498 --> 00:33:26,756
If I look at young
people now, you know,
I have hope you know.
480
00:33:27,453 --> 00:33:32,738
They are color blind,
religious blind, ethnic blind,
that they would treat each
481
00:33:32,773 --> 00:33:35,764
other as part of
the same human family.
482
00:33:36,626 --> 00:33:42,244
That if somebody dies in
Darfur, I will react the same
way if somebody dies in LA.
483
00:33:43,407 --> 00:33:45,735
The same day we will
end nuclear weapons.
484
00:33:46,665 --> 00:33:48,826
-I'm in agreement,
thank you so much.
485
00:33:48,859 --> 00:33:50,721
-Thanks, thanks a lot.
486
00:33:54,642 --> 00:33:58,498
-I find Dr. ElBaradei's
perspective on nuclear
conflict very sobering.
487
00:34:01,191 --> 00:34:05,379
We are only here
because of good luck,
not good management.
488
00:34:07,273 --> 00:34:12,658
But, Mohammed has hope,
that our children and
their children will bring
489
00:34:12,691 --> 00:34:15,316
about fundamental change.
490
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:18,275
That they will create a world,
not of fear and oppression.
491
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:22,630
But of hope and dignity.
492
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:28,247
A world where borders
don't exist, I share that hope.
493
00:34:33,864 --> 00:34:38,019
But how do we make this
monumental transition
from war to peace?
494
00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:51,880
If there's one place
on earth that might
serve as a test case,
495
00:34:53,342 --> 00:34:55,503
it's Rwanda.
496
00:34:56,201 --> 00:34:59,957
Just over two
decades ago, a horrifying
genocide took place here.
497
00:35:03,048 --> 00:35:08,001
On April 6th, 1994,
Rwandan President
Juvenal Habyarimana
498
00:35:08,533 --> 00:35:10,759
was killed when
his plane was shot down.
499
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:16,975
This event added fuel to
the long simmering tension
between the country's
500
00:35:17,008 --> 00:35:20,598
two major ethnic groups,
the Hutus and the Tutsis.
501
00:35:22,127 --> 00:35:24,587
The majority
of Hutus blamed the
death of the Hutu president
502
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,381
on the minority Tutsis.
503
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,594
The ensuing conflict
lasted only 100 days, but
it claimed a million lives,
504
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,620
one tenth of the population.
505
00:35:41,007 --> 00:35:43,899
The genocide ended when
Tutsi General Paul Kagame's
506
00:35:43,931 --> 00:35:46,823
rebel forces seized
the capital Kigali.
507
00:35:48,252 --> 00:35:52,640
Six years later,
Kagame was elected President,
an office he still holds.
508
00:35:54,701 --> 00:35:57,726
And today,
more than two decades
on from the genocide,
509
00:35:58,822 --> 00:36:01,681
there has been
no return to violence.
510
00:36:01,714 --> 00:36:03,509
I want to understand why?
511
00:36:04,341 --> 00:36:06,766
And the President
agreed to talk to me.
512
00:36:07,796 --> 00:36:12,617
During the genocide,
Hutus systematically
attacked the Tutsis.
513
00:36:14,245 --> 00:36:19,064
You're seeing a
lot of the murders and
atrocities that had
514
00:36:19,098 --> 00:36:21,657
been committed
against the Tutsis.
515
00:36:23,985 --> 00:36:27,541
Didn't make you wanna
do just a little revenge?
516
00:36:29,403 --> 00:36:35,418
-It caused a lot of
anger against those who
are doing it, absolutely.
517
00:36:37,014 --> 00:36:43,463
I wouldn't call
it revenge as such but, it
was driving me to
518
00:36:43,495 --> 00:36:45,888
say how fast can we
rein these people in?
519
00:36:51,174 --> 00:36:57,223
-Do you think that justice
and revenge are different?
-They're different.
520
00:36:59,616 --> 00:37:03,937
They are different
and in fact revenge
may be justified,
521
00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:06,630
but it is not justice.
522
00:37:06,663 --> 00:37:09,055
Justice is something else.
523
00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:13,510
Justice allows the
aggrieved parties to get along.
524
00:37:14,507 --> 00:37:17,399
While revenge doesn't
allow you to move on.
525
00:37:17,963 --> 00:37:21,155
It only allows and
cause more revenge to happen.
526
00:37:21,953 --> 00:37:24,413
And then you are
in a vicious circle.
527
00:37:26,906 --> 00:37:31,891
-Now you're making this
argument in spite of
your own family losses?
528
00:37:32,523 --> 00:37:33,885
-Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
529
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,678
Many, many family
members lost, absolutely.
530
00:37:38,705 --> 00:37:42,694
MORGAN: When Kagame became
President in 2000 he began
a nationwide program of
531
00:37:42,726 --> 00:37:45,353
reconciliation to try to
heal the wounds of genocide.
532
00:37:47,049 --> 00:37:49,839
Well, you go right to
work on reconciliation.
533
00:37:51,037 --> 00:37:53,296
-Right.
-That had not
happened before you?
534
00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:59,446
-We knew it would go nowhere
unless we reversed the
politics of hatred and...
535
00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:02,868
-Separation.
-Separation and
division and so on.
536
00:38:03,601 --> 00:38:05,927
So let's
try something else.
537
00:38:06,493 --> 00:38:11,412
So let's agree
that, irrespective of our
differences, we can get along,
538
00:38:12,342 --> 00:38:15,135
we can work together.
539
00:38:15,169 --> 00:38:21,750
-Alright you teach the
population how to forgive,
overcome the idea of revenge.
540
00:38:22,779 --> 00:38:24,607
How do you go
about doing that?
541
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,294
-We must do something that
allows people to build and
hopeful for the future.
542
00:38:30,557 --> 00:38:33,449
We went to the
homes of our citizens.
543
00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:37,737
And reconciliation was
kind of a conversation,
it was a discussion.
544
00:38:38,501 --> 00:38:41,925
Look, we have a lot of
places to point fingers,
but that doesn't help.
545
00:38:44,086 --> 00:38:47,741
What helps is confronting
this situation as we should.
546
00:38:54,621 --> 00:38:58,246
MORGAN: President Kagame's
bold efforts to bring
peace to Rwanda have included
547
00:38:58,278 --> 00:39:02,633
limiting freedom of speech
and the press and suppressing
political opponents.
548
00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:09,414
But I'm told his
reconciliation program
has touched the lives
549
00:39:09,447 --> 00:39:11,009
of millions of Rwandans.
550
00:39:12,006 --> 00:39:13,802
I want to
meet some of them.
551
00:39:14,664 --> 00:39:18,587
I was connected with
Mariya Izagiriza and
Filbert Ntezirizaza,
552
00:39:20,315 --> 00:39:23,573
who were introduced
several years ago by
Bishop Deo Gashagaza.
553
00:39:25,568 --> 00:39:27,961
I'm meeting them at the
Kigali Genocide Memorial.
554
00:39:31,616 --> 00:39:33,577
Tutsi.
555
00:39:33,611 --> 00:39:34,807
Hutu.
556
00:39:34,842 --> 00:39:35,838
-Yes.
557
00:39:35,872 --> 00:39:38,165
-Filbert, Mariya,
see I know all that.
558
00:39:40,259 --> 00:39:45,677
So, I would like
you Mariya to tell me as
much as you can remember,
559
00:39:47,073 --> 00:39:52,890
about what happened
to you in 1994?
560
00:39:54,984 --> 00:39:57,542
(speaking in native language).
561
00:40:15,925 --> 00:40:18,417
MORGAN: As they fled
from the killers Mariya's
family got separated.
562
00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:23,104
Her husband and
brother-in-law ran off
with two of their sons.
563
00:40:24,899 --> 00:40:28,222
Mariya took her infant
daughter, young son
and her step daughter.
564
00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:36,965
-You ran and hid?
565
00:40:36,998 --> 00:40:38,826
You hid in the
bushes, is that right?
566
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:41,153
-Yes.
567
00:40:41,185 --> 00:40:44,576
MORGAN: Mariya spent five
days in the bush, with the
children before they escaped.
568
00:40:46,637 --> 00:40:50,060
They walked for a week
until they made it to safety,
in neighboring Burundi.
569
00:40:52,154 --> 00:40:55,811
Did you ever see your
husband and family again?
570
00:40:56,774 --> 00:40:59,301
(speaking in native language).
571
00:41:06,746 --> 00:41:10,136
Filbert, what do you know
about her husband children?
572
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,892
(speaking in native language).
573
00:41:35,399 --> 00:41:38,821
-The genocide in Rwanda
in 1994 shocked the world.
574
00:41:40,683 --> 00:41:44,007
But the outbursts
of murder was the result of
decades of divisive politics
575
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,769
in the country.
576
00:41:45,802 --> 00:41:49,658
People had been
indoctrinated to believe
that Hutus and Tutsis,
577
00:41:49,691 --> 00:41:51,951
were natural enemies.
578
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:56,272
Filbert, a Hutu was involved
with a group that killed
Mariya's husband and sons,
579
00:41:57,269 --> 00:41:59,131
who were Tutsis.
580
00:41:59,164 --> 00:42:01,589
-Filbert killed her relatives?
-Yes.
581
00:42:01,624 --> 00:42:05,613
(speaking in native language).
582
00:42:16,747 --> 00:42:19,240
MORGAN: Filbert joined
a local Hutu militia.
583
00:42:20,968 --> 00:42:25,057
Along with nine other
men, he set up an ambush near
Mariya's village to catch Tutsis
584
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:27,251
fleeing from the violence.
585
00:42:29,942 --> 00:42:33,166
They captured Mariya's
husband, brother-in-law,
and the two boys.
586
00:42:34,928 --> 00:42:37,754
They took them to
a quarry, and threw
them to their deaths.
587
00:42:49,454 --> 00:42:51,880
-How does it happen that
the two of you are together?
588
00:43:15,812 --> 00:43:20,399
-Filbert came to you,
to ask forgiveness.
589
00:43:22,294 --> 00:43:23,988
Is that so?
590
00:43:24,022 --> 00:43:27,181
(speaking in native language).
591
00:43:46,525 --> 00:43:49,052
-So it sounds like
we're talking about
forgiveness here.
592
00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:54,535
But, was it like that?
593
00:44:02,645 --> 00:44:04,108
-Two years?
-Yes.
594
00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:06,269
-Here we are today,
what do we have?
595
00:44:06,302 --> 00:44:08,462
(speaking in native language).
596
00:44:13,083 --> 00:44:14,910
-She smiles.
597
00:44:14,945 --> 00:44:17,769
(speaking in native language).
598
00:44:29,702 --> 00:44:31,231
-Same with you?
599
00:44:37,845 --> 00:44:41,335
-On the one hand, awful.
600
00:44:41,369 --> 00:44:44,293
And on the other hand
it is a wonderful story.
601
00:44:45,657 --> 00:44:48,183
It gives hope to all mankind.
602
00:44:49,945 --> 00:44:53,435
(singing in native language)
603
00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:01,278
Mariya and Filbert
now live as neighbors
in a specially created
604
00:45:01,313 --> 00:45:04,137
reconciliation village.
605
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:08,624
It's a place designed to forge
real bonds between victims and
perpetrators of the genocide.
606
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:14,907
Filbert helps Mariya with
her farm, and they spend
time together, as friends.
607
00:45:18,962 --> 00:45:23,349
Walking around the genocide
memorial makes me realize
the enormous human toll
608
00:45:23,382 --> 00:45:25,709
of this conflict.
609
00:45:25,744 --> 00:45:29,564
And that there are hundreds
of thousands of stories
like Mariya, and Filbert's.
610
00:45:32,191 --> 00:45:34,684
What happened
in Rwanda is one of
humanity's great tragedies.
611
00:45:35,748 --> 00:45:38,074
It is also a
source of great hope.
612
00:45:39,237 --> 00:45:42,528
A country can
recover from civil war.
613
00:45:42,561 --> 00:45:45,619
People can reconcile,
even after genocide.
614
00:45:47,347 --> 00:45:50,705
Forgiveness, that takes
great sacrifice and courage.
615
00:45:52,167 --> 00:45:54,062
From the President.
616
00:45:54,096 --> 00:46:00,011
From Mariya and Filbert,
and the millions of others,
who put aside revenge,
617
00:46:01,441 --> 00:46:02,937
to embrace peace.
618
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,076
War has been around
ever since we've had
to share resources like,
619
00:46:12,111 --> 00:46:16,364
land, food, water.
620
00:46:17,928 --> 00:46:20,088
I don't think
the end of war is imminent.
621
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:23,911
But what I've learned
from the remarkable
people that I have met,
622
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,766
is that we have to get
better at making peace.
623
00:46:29,528 --> 00:46:33,316
When the bloodshed ends,
and the dust settles
over shattered homes,
624
00:46:34,347 --> 00:46:36,143
we must do everything we
can to resist taking revenge,
625
00:46:37,205 --> 00:46:41,528
and instead search
for our own humanity.
626
00:46:41,561 --> 00:46:47,343
After all,
we are the species that
thrives on cooperation.
627
00:46:47,376 --> 00:46:51,100
It's what we've
always done best.
628
00:46:51,532 --> 00:46:52,761
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