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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,655 --> 00:00:08,486 - The importance of soccer internationally is kind of incomprehensible. 2 00:00:10,401 --> 00:00:16,233 - The World Cup Tournament is the single largest sporting event in the world. 3 00:00:16,277 --> 00:00:17,495 - Soccer is life. 4 00:00:21,412 --> 00:00:24,328 - These individuals that are part of the FIFA organizations, 5 00:00:24,372 --> 00:00:26,374 they are treated like royalty. 6 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:33,903 - In the beginning, the biggest piece was bribery 7 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:35,513 for World Cup votes. 8 00:00:38,777 --> 00:00:41,563 - We looked at this case as an organized-crime case. 9 00:00:42,955 --> 00:00:44,305 - You could look at the structure of FIFA, 10 00:00:44,348 --> 00:00:47,003 almost like a traditional organized-crime family 11 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:49,745 with a boss, an underboss, capos, soldiers... 12 00:00:49,788 --> 00:00:52,791 A pattern of fraud, bribery and kickbacks 13 00:00:52,835 --> 00:00:55,490 that netted international soccr officials and 14 00:00:55,533 --> 00:01:01,061 marketing executives $150 million over the last 24 years. 15 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:04,977 - If anyone overseas caught wind that the FBI was investigating 16 00:01:05,021 --> 00:01:07,458 FIFA, the case would have finished before it started. 17 00:01:07,502 --> 00:01:09,808 - Who leaked it? What if, a Swiss law enforcement 18 00:01:09,852 --> 00:01:10,983 officer gets killed? 19 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:13,551 - This really is the world cup of fraud. 20 00:01:13,595 --> 00:01:16,771 And today we're issuing FIFA a red card. 21 00:01:23,779 --> 00:01:26,695 In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,831 Drug busts, mob stings. 23 00:01:34,223 --> 00:01:35,443 Terrorist takedowns. 24 00:01:37,967 --> 00:01:40,535 We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 25 00:01:40,578 --> 00:01:42,145 - Mark it. - Freeze! 26 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:43,233 - FBI! 27 00:01:43,277 --> 00:01:44,669 - FBI! - Action! 28 00:01:44,713 --> 00:01:46,149 But they don't know the half of it. 29 00:01:48,325 --> 00:01:49,196 What really goes down? 30 00:01:50,283 --> 00:01:52,503 We save that for each other, 31 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:54,636 when we're talking agent to agent. 32 00:01:57,987 --> 00:02:00,685 This is FBI. True. 33 00:02:11,435 --> 00:02:12,915 - So, what is FIFA? 34 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:16,136 - FIFA is the organization that oversees world soccer. 35 00:02:16,179 --> 00:02:19,269 Mike Gaeta supervised the Eurasian organized-crime team 36 00:02:19,313 --> 00:02:21,228 and headed the New York office's money laundering 37 00:02:21,271 --> 00:02:22,577 investigations squad. 38 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:24,970 - Soccer is the largest sport in the world. 39 00:02:25,014 --> 00:02:28,017 FIFA is the largest sport governing body in the world. 40 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:29,671 - Are they like the size of the United Nations? 41 00:02:29,714 --> 00:02:31,281 - It's bigger than the United Nations. 42 00:02:31,325 --> 00:02:34,589 John Penza is a 21-year veteran of the FBI. 43 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:38,245 John served as both an investigator and a supervisor 44 00:02:38,288 --> 00:02:41,291 for the Eurasian and Italian organized-crime squads, 45 00:02:41,335 --> 00:02:44,120 focusing on high-level financial crimes. 46 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:47,210 - FIFA's made up of six confederations that are 47 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:50,082 groups of regions of countries all over the world. 48 00:02:54,348 --> 00:02:57,133 It is the body that is controlling the World Cup 49 00:02:57,177 --> 00:03:00,223 and all the various tournaments that are held internationally. 50 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:02,182 - You're an FBI squad in New York. 51 00:03:02,225 --> 00:03:05,489 How does FIFA come across your desk? 52 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:09,189 Kristy Kottis is a 24-year veteran of the FB. 53 00:03:09,232 --> 00:03:12,279 she worked gangs, crimes against children 54 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:14,803 as well as human and drug trafficking. 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,286 - So in 2009, I was assigned to be the supervisor of 56 00:03:19,329 --> 00:03:21,505 the Russian organized-crime squad, and I was given 57 00:03:21,549 --> 00:03:23,638 the mandate to look internationally 58 00:03:23,681 --> 00:03:28,120 for transnational organized-crime, to look for sophisticated 59 00:03:28,164 --> 00:03:30,775 criminal activity that affected the United States. 60 00:03:30,819 --> 00:03:34,953 So I was asked to fly to London to meet some people who wanted 61 00:03:34,997 --> 00:03:38,305 to talk to us and provide us information about international criminal activity. 62 00:03:38,348 --> 00:03:41,090 One of the things this person talks about 63 00:03:41,133 --> 00:03:42,874 is FIFA and corruption at FIFA. 64 00:03:42,918 --> 00:03:45,921 The information that we were told was that for years, 65 00:03:45,964 --> 00:03:49,968 people were being bribed to vote for World Cup locations. 66 00:03:50,012 --> 00:03:51,405 - Think about the Olympics. 67 00:03:51,448 --> 00:03:52,971 It's bigger. 68 00:03:53,015 --> 00:03:55,409 It's a huge, huge, huge event and a gigantic money-maker 69 00:03:55,452 --> 00:03:57,454 for that country that gets that bid. 70 00:03:57,498 --> 00:03:59,500 - There were also allegations of match fixing. 71 00:03:59,543 --> 00:04:01,676 There were also allegations of bribery 72 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:03,025 for tickets for tournaments. 73 00:04:03,068 --> 00:04:04,374 - Are certain countries mentioned? 74 00:04:04,418 --> 00:04:05,984 People? What are they telling you? 75 00:04:06,028 --> 00:04:07,551 - So this was 2009. 76 00:04:11,163 --> 00:04:12,730 A shot at the goal. 77 00:04:12,774 --> 00:04:14,254 And guess who's got it? 78 00:04:14,950 --> 00:04:18,867 FIFA Club World Cup champions, Barcelona. 79 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:21,522 - One of the pieces of information we heard was 80 00:04:21,565 --> 00:04:24,394 that Russia had been working to bribe 81 00:04:24,438 --> 00:04:28,050 to obtain votes for the World Cup for 2018. 82 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:34,404 What we learned is that there was a group within FIFA 83 00:04:34,448 --> 00:04:36,319 that was physically based in New York City. 84 00:04:36,363 --> 00:04:38,713 And so if there was corruption and they were engaged, 85 00:04:39,582 --> 00:04:41,933 then that corruption was happening here in New York City. 86 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:43,544 So it was really in our backyard. 87 00:04:46,373 --> 00:04:48,288 - So you're overseas, you're getting this information. 88 00:04:48,331 --> 00:04:50,115 You take that back to the United States. 89 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:52,988 Where do you begin? - I had significant experience 90 00:04:53,031 --> 00:04:56,034 conducting organized-crime cases, RICO cases, 91 00:04:56,078 --> 00:04:57,340 criminal enterprise matters. 92 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:00,387 We looked at it as a criminal enterprise case 93 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:02,476 and formulated it that way. 94 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,567 We had a target here in New York City named Chuck Blazer 95 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,873 who is one of the executives of CONCACAF, which was 96 00:05:08,917 --> 00:05:12,181 one of the bodies that make up FIFA, the body that covers 97 00:05:12,224 --> 00:05:13,791 North America and the Caribbean. 98 00:05:16,751 --> 00:05:21,364 He was very influential in the business side of world soccer. 99 00:05:28,589 --> 00:05:31,200 - If I look back 10 years, 20 years and see the progress 100 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:33,332 we've made, I'm very proud of our accomplishments. 101 00:05:33,376 --> 00:05:36,161 - Chuck lived a very high life here in New York City. 102 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:37,989 He was out on the town. 103 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:39,948 Somewhat of a socialite. 104 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:48,173 - He had two apartments in Trump Tower. 105 00:05:50,001 --> 00:05:51,612 He lived on one of the top floors. 106 00:05:53,004 --> 00:05:54,179 - Two? 107 00:05:54,223 --> 00:05:56,268 Two. One for him, and one for his cats. 108 00:06:01,883 --> 00:06:03,406 - When you were over in London, what other names 109 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,495 were they throwing at you and have you seen them now 110 00:06:05,539 --> 00:06:07,062 in your investigation? 111 00:06:07,105 --> 00:06:10,674 - One of the other names was Chuck's partner at CONCACAF, 112 00:06:10,718 --> 00:06:14,112 Jack Warner, who actually was the president of CONCACAF. 113 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,681 Jack was from Trinidad and Tobago. 114 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:21,903 Part of the importance of their positions and them 115 00:06:21,946 --> 00:06:25,210 in particular, was that they were actually voting members 116 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:27,082 on the executive committee of FIFA. 117 00:06:28,562 --> 00:06:31,565 - What does the executive committee do that makes that so important? 118 00:06:31,608 --> 00:06:33,957 - One of the more important things they do is vote 119 00:06:34,002 --> 00:06:36,439 for where the World Cup is going to be held, incredibly big. 120 00:06:36,483 --> 00:06:37,440 - That's huge. - Yeah. 121 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,532 And you've got heads of state meeting with 122 00:06:42,576 --> 00:06:45,448 the executive committees of FIFA lobbying 123 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:46,667 to have the vote for them. 124 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:49,582 They want the World Cup in their country. 125 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:54,065 - These individuals that are part of the FIFA organization, 126 00:06:54,109 --> 00:06:58,113 specifically the ExCo members, they are treated like royalty. 127 00:06:58,722 --> 00:07:01,159 The way they traveled, first class everywhere, 128 00:07:01,203 --> 00:07:02,726 the best restaurants. 129 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:05,120 Just unbelievable, the money and power these folks have. 130 00:07:08,993 --> 00:07:11,387 Looking for Fàbregas. No, it's Iniesta. 131 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,824 This is it! That's the goal! 132 00:07:13,868 --> 00:07:17,306 Spain are the kings of world football. 133 00:07:17,828 --> 00:07:19,700 - So at this point in the investigation, 134 00:07:19,743 --> 00:07:23,660 has the ExCo had a vote on who's going to get the next World Cup? 135 00:07:23,704 --> 00:07:26,228 - When we initiated the investigation, we knew that 136 00:07:26,271 --> 00:07:28,230 in a couple of months there was going to be a vote 137 00:07:28,273 --> 00:07:30,493 for the World Cup for 2018 and 2022. 138 00:07:30,537 --> 00:07:33,582 Part of the information we had obtained was that Russia 139 00:07:33,627 --> 00:07:35,672 was going to corruptly influence the vote. 140 00:07:38,588 --> 00:07:43,724 - It is indeed a great day today, here in Zurich. 141 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:57,128 The 2018 FIFA World Cup, ladies and gentlemen, 142 00:07:57,172 --> 00:07:59,391 will be organized in Russia. 143 00:08:01,089 --> 00:08:04,484 At that point, we realize, this is the big break. 144 00:08:04,527 --> 00:08:05,572 We couldn't believe it. 145 00:08:06,268 --> 00:08:08,313 - Let us make history together. 146 00:08:08,357 --> 00:08:10,228 - This is not a small thing. 147 00:08:10,272 --> 00:08:11,708 Heads of state are involved. 148 00:08:22,763 --> 00:08:26,767 One of the things we learned was that corruption in FIFA 149 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:29,160 had been in the media for years, overseas. 150 00:08:29,204 --> 00:08:31,554 But in the States we didn't see it. 151 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:33,469 Good morning, welcome to Zurich. 152 00:08:36,341 --> 00:08:39,519 How much profit did you make selling World Cup tickets this year? 153 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:43,174 Do you know which football officials took bribes? 154 00:08:46,308 --> 00:08:48,832 - I don't answer these questions. 155 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:17,382 - Reporting on corruption and saying 156 00:09:17,426 --> 00:09:19,559 something is corrupt is one thing. 157 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:20,821 Right. 158 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:22,823 - Proving it in a court of law, particularly 159 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:25,260 in the United States, is a completely different story. 160 00:09:32,223 --> 00:09:34,443 A prayer, I suspect from Kumagii. 161 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:38,578 And the World Cup for Japan! 162 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:41,972 They have rewritten the history books. 163 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,542 Shortly after the announcement that the vote for 2018 164 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:50,198 went to Russia, we bring IRS on to join in on the case. 165 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:53,636 And so the idea was let's look from a tax perspective 166 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,464 at Chuck in particular. 167 00:09:55,507 --> 00:09:59,599 The information that came back was Chuck hadn't paid taxes 168 00:09:59,642 --> 00:10:00,730 for almost 20 years. 169 00:10:04,778 --> 00:10:07,607 - And when you say hasn't paid taxes in 20 years, 170 00:10:07,650 --> 00:10:09,783 we're not talking about like he made $10,000 a year 171 00:10:09,826 --> 00:10:11,132 and he just didn't file-- 172 00:10:11,175 --> 00:10:13,134 - Well, we didn't know how much money because 173 00:10:13,177 --> 00:10:15,092 he didn't report it. - Right. 174 00:10:15,136 --> 00:10:18,269 - However, working at the highest levels of FIFA, 175 00:10:18,313 --> 00:10:22,839 living the lifestyle that he did in Trump Tower in New York City, 176 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:25,712 traveling the world, we knew he's got money 177 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,063 and he's living it up, not reporting any of it. 178 00:10:31,413 --> 00:10:34,634 That is leverage that you can now utilize 179 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:36,200 to obtain his cooperation. 180 00:10:36,244 --> 00:10:38,289 - Based on the tax information, and potentially 181 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:39,769 he could be ripe for the flip. 182 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:40,640 - Right. 183 00:10:44,774 --> 00:10:47,037 Approaching an individual to try and get them 184 00:10:47,081 --> 00:10:49,431 to cooperate, you have to be very strategic about it 185 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:51,476 if you're doing a criminal enterprise case. 186 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,435 - Absolutely - Because it's not about Chuck. 187 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:54,697 - No. 188 00:10:54,741 --> 00:10:56,220 - The case is about a much bigger picture. 189 00:10:59,397 --> 00:11:03,532 If the approach with Chuck fails, then everybody will know 190 00:11:03,575 --> 00:11:06,056 what we're trying to do because he'll tell everybody. 191 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,928 - Yeah. - You have to plan out 192 00:11:07,971 --> 00:11:13,411 how to do so in a way that is the least public way possible. 193 00:11:13,455 --> 00:11:15,979 And you do that just old school surveillance, 194 00:11:16,023 --> 00:11:17,677 trying to figure out his routine. 195 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,158 And the idea was to wait near Trump Tower. 196 00:11:21,202 --> 00:11:23,204 Odds are he's coming out and going to dinner. 197 00:11:23,247 --> 00:11:24,727 He was always out eating dinner. 198 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:27,251 They approach him and said: "We need to speak with you. 199 00:11:27,295 --> 00:11:29,601 You have some issues that you need to explain." 200 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:31,516 He was taken aback at first. 201 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:32,866 But he's also a very cool character. 202 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:34,868 He composed himself quickly and said: 203 00:11:34,911 --> 00:11:36,130 "Look, I know, I want to help. 204 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:37,958 I'll call you and we'll set something up." 205 00:11:38,001 --> 00:11:40,917 - Now you've got the target saying: "Yeah, I'll work with you". 206 00:11:40,961 --> 00:11:42,179 - Well, he says: "I'll meet with you." 207 00:11:42,223 --> 00:11:43,746 - I got excited. - Getting to the point where 208 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:44,747 he'll work with us... - Yeah. 209 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:46,096 -...takes a little bit. 210 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:48,359 And so ultimately there's a meeting in 26 Fed. 211 00:11:51,798 --> 00:11:53,974 At that meeting, he's presented with what we know, 212 00:11:54,017 --> 00:11:57,499 which is the fact that he hadn't paid taxes for years. 213 00:11:57,542 --> 00:11:59,936 He's also presented with options. 214 00:12:00,763 --> 00:12:06,595 He can A, try to address his tax situation by proactively helping the government. 215 00:12:06,638 --> 00:12:10,120 Or he can sit back and wait for the government to charge him 216 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:12,035 criminally and then go to prison. 217 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:13,515 - That's B. - Right. 218 00:12:13,558 --> 00:12:16,039 - And he chooses? - He chose A. 219 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:20,565 - So, when he leaves that door and he walks out, 220 00:12:20,609 --> 00:12:22,480 there's got to be a little trepidation like: 221 00:12:22,524 --> 00:12:24,961 "I hope he shuts his mouth". - Yeah. Everytime. 222 00:12:25,005 --> 00:12:29,661 You know, because if he tells his girlfriend, his ex-wife, 223 00:12:29,705 --> 00:12:33,578 Jack Warner. Game over for the investigation. 224 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:49,072 They are going to have one evening to celebrae 225 00:12:49,116 --> 00:12:51,640 here which will last long into the night. 226 00:12:53,076 --> 00:12:55,078 - So now that we've got Chuck to flip, 227 00:12:55,122 --> 00:12:56,645 what are the goals in this case? 228 00:12:56,688 --> 00:12:58,342 - This is an organized-crime case, 229 00:12:58,386 --> 00:13:00,954 and organized crime-cases are made with cooperators. 230 00:13:00,997 --> 00:13:03,173 So you have to develop cooperators like Chuck. 231 00:13:03,217 --> 00:13:07,221 But to get to the hierarchy, the top targets of the group, 232 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:10,572 you have to get step by step cooperation. 233 00:13:10,615 --> 00:13:12,617 Because you're not going to find it on paper. 234 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:14,184 - So what does that look like? 235 00:13:14,228 --> 00:13:16,796 - First, we're meeting with Chuck, with the, with the U.S. 236 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:18,493 attorney's offices, and he is proffering. 237 00:13:18,536 --> 00:13:20,495 He is telling us some of his bad deeds and folks 238 00:13:20,538 --> 00:13:22,236 that he's engaged in criminal activity with. 239 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:30,461 Then the next logical step for us as investigators 240 00:13:30,505 --> 00:13:32,681 is to get him talking to those bad guys, 241 00:13:32,724 --> 00:13:34,378 to get those conversations on tape. 242 00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:35,858 And that's exactly what we did. 243 00:13:41,037 --> 00:13:42,822 - So where does that lead us? 244 00:13:42,865 --> 00:13:46,216 - We have a number of months where he's actively wiring up 245 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:47,478 against various people. 246 00:13:47,522 --> 00:13:48,697 - Here in the United States, or... 247 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:50,133 - Here in the US and overseas. 248 00:13:50,177 --> 00:13:51,482 - Oh, he goes overseas, too. - He went overseas and 249 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:54,790 we had him at the Olympics in London in 2012. 250 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:58,576 Developing information against the targets of the case. 251 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:03,886 - Now Chuck is telling us about other people. 252 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,454 Are some of the people that he mentions, 253 00:14:06,497 --> 00:14:07,934 do we know who they are and have we seen them 254 00:14:07,977 --> 00:14:09,239 in our investigation? 255 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:10,632 They were other members of the ExCo. 256 00:14:10,675 --> 00:14:12,982 Sepp Blatter, who was the top of the hierarchy. 257 00:14:13,026 --> 00:14:14,592 The head of FIFA. 258 00:14:17,247 --> 00:14:20,990 - I have been elected by 133 national associations, 259 00:14:21,034 --> 00:14:23,340 but I am the president of everybody. 260 00:14:28,955 --> 00:14:31,653 - And so they were high-profile people, but there were also 261 00:14:31,696 --> 00:14:33,524 people we never knew about in various aspects 262 00:14:33,568 --> 00:14:35,309 of this corruption, over the years. 263 00:14:35,352 --> 00:14:39,226 We're talking 20 years of activity that we learned from Chuck. 264 00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:41,141 - What are some of the people that you get from him 265 00:14:41,184 --> 00:14:43,621 that are pretty big cheeses? 266 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:45,406 - An individual named José Hawilla. 267 00:14:45,449 --> 00:14:48,496 He lived in Brazil. Very big player in the sports 268 00:14:48,539 --> 00:14:50,280 marketing scene in South America. 269 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:54,676 He had significant contact with other ExCo 270 00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:56,460 members from South America. 271 00:14:56,504 --> 00:14:58,027 - What's his job in South America? 272 00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,551 - He had a couple of companies that negotiated for 273 00:15:00,595 --> 00:15:02,336 television rights and for the various tournaments 274 00:15:02,379 --> 00:15:04,947 that FIFA would hold in South America. 275 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:06,906 He would obtain those rights and then he would 276 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:08,168 resell those rights. 277 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:14,609 Neymar! Wow! 278 00:15:15,392 --> 00:15:16,916 There's no stopping that. 279 00:15:22,008 --> 00:15:24,793 - What information do we get about that individual? 280 00:15:25,707 --> 00:15:29,189 - In regard to what Chuck knew and talked about, 281 00:15:29,232 --> 00:15:31,931 it was a bribe that had been covered up. 282 00:15:33,454 --> 00:15:36,065 Knowing that Hawilla was currently involved in the mix 283 00:15:36,109 --> 00:15:39,155 with ExCo members down in Florida, big players, 284 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:43,551 longtime players within FIFA, we thought we could turn that into something. 285 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:47,511 But at the same time, we're also recognizing that, 286 00:15:47,555 --> 00:15:49,992 you know, look, if we don't get Hawilla, 287 00:15:50,036 --> 00:15:52,821 this case may not go further. 288 00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:54,866 It's kind of a make or break situation. 289 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:57,434 So the U.S. Attorney's office prepares the complaint, 290 00:15:57,478 --> 00:15:59,523 and we get a warrant for his arrest. 291 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:08,837 We learned a couple days in advance 292 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,012 he was coming into Miami. 293 00:16:11,057 --> 00:16:13,233 We had a team down in Miami and they arrested him 294 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:14,756 when he came off the plane. 295 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:17,585 - Was he shocked? 296 00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,021 - Extremely. 297 00:16:19,065 --> 00:16:22,024 - He's obviously a Portuguese speaker and Spanish 298 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:24,026 and English is like his third language. 299 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,986 So we're trying to convey to him how serious of a position 300 00:16:27,029 --> 00:16:31,033 he's in and that he needs to fully cooperate or else 301 00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:33,601 he will never go back to Brazil again. 302 00:16:39,259 --> 00:16:41,130 - So when you guys target José, you guys are having 303 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:42,262 like a come to Jesus moment. 304 00:16:42,305 --> 00:16:43,654 And what happens after that? 305 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:44,873 - He starts making the recordings he needs to make. 306 00:16:48,224 --> 00:16:50,096 Mario Goötze for Germany! 307 00:16:53,142 --> 00:16:54,709 112 minutes! 308 00:16:56,189 --> 00:16:58,017 They find the way! 309 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:03,674 - From him, how many other subjects now are we developing? 310 00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,633 - 17, 18, 19. 311 00:17:05,675 --> 00:17:07,287 - Wow. - And keep in mind, his base 312 00:17:07,329 --> 00:17:08,766 of operations is Brazil. 313 00:17:08,810 --> 00:17:11,204 That's CONMEBOL territory, another federation 314 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:12,857 similar to CONCACAF. 315 00:17:12,901 --> 00:17:15,817 All those countries in South America, Hawilla has access to. 316 00:17:15,859 --> 00:17:18,472 So literally the floodgates opened when he came in. 317 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,040 - Now all of a sudden you're probably getting a firehose 318 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:23,867 of information and evidence. 319 00:17:23,912 --> 00:17:26,435 - Yeah, and you're triaging those folks. - Yeah. 320 00:17:27,002 --> 00:17:28,830 - Who makes the most sense? Are they US-based? 321 00:17:28,873 --> 00:17:30,049 Can we put our hands on them? 322 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,963 Are they from non-extraditing countries? 323 00:17:32,007 --> 00:17:35,663 - So was a lot of it based on information that Chuck had gotten you? 324 00:17:35,706 --> 00:17:38,057 - Chuck, Hawilla and other cooperators. 325 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:40,711 And we were able to, in collaboration with the IRS 326 00:17:40,755 --> 00:17:43,932 and the U.S. Attorney's Office, build a RICO indictment 327 00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:46,065 against initially 14 individuals. 328 00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:46,848 - Wow. 329 00:17:56,727 --> 00:17:59,252 John Smith forward. Bryan is there as wel. 330 00:18:02,603 --> 00:18:04,518 What is down for the United States? 331 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:11,786 The United States of America are the 2015 World Cup winners. 332 00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:18,097 - We found out there was going to be a FIFA ExCo meeting in Zurich. 333 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:20,403 It was going to be about a week at an exclusive hotel. 334 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,234 - All the players that we want to arrest are in one location. 335 00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:29,673 - These were folks that we hoped would travel to Zurich for the meeting. 336 00:18:29,717 --> 00:18:30,674 Again, we hoped. 337 00:18:34,287 --> 00:18:36,419 The arrests were going to be at 0600, 6 a.m. 338 00:18:36,463 --> 00:18:39,248 Swiss time, which was going to be midnight our time. 339 00:18:41,598 --> 00:18:46,081 A quarter after 11, 11:30, IRS, the FIFA FBI team and 340 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:47,604 the Department of Justice from Eastern District, 341 00:18:47,648 --> 00:18:50,999 we all assembled in the command post in 26 Federal Plaza. 342 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,697 We had a live feed to Hoover. 343 00:18:53,741 --> 00:18:56,178 We had direct comms with Zurich. 344 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:58,659 And we had different news channels on 345 00:18:58,702 --> 00:19:00,835 and waited for the arrests to start. 346 00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:02,184 - The excitement must be palpable. 347 00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:03,142 - The adrenaline is pumping. 348 00:19:03,185 --> 00:19:04,621 What's going to happen? 349 00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:05,579 Is everybody there? 350 00:19:05,622 --> 00:19:06,623 Who's not there? 351 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:13,326 Shortly before midnight, again, we had all these 352 00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:15,545 news channels on, there's like some kind of CNN banner 353 00:19:15,589 --> 00:19:16,503 about an arrest in Zurich. 354 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:22,335 - Wait... OK. Time out. You're sitting in the op center 355 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:24,293 and then a banner comes up that says 356 00:19:24,337 --> 00:19:25,686 there's going to be arrests in Zurich. 357 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:26,948 Were you like, it's over? 358 00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:28,689 - I looked at the lead AUSA, Evan Norris, 359 00:19:28,732 --> 00:19:30,473 and I'm like: "what the fuck?" 360 00:19:30,517 --> 00:19:31,431 Who leaked it? 361 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:33,128 - Right. - What if, God forbid, 362 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:37,001 a Swiss law enforcement officer gets hurt or God forbid, killed? 363 00:19:37,045 --> 00:19:38,264 - Right. - Who would do this? 364 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:42,616 But from the timing of it, we did not collectively 365 00:19:42,659 --> 00:19:44,487 have enough time to start pointing fingers. 366 00:19:44,531 --> 00:19:46,228 And we just had to say, you know what? 367 00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:48,709 It's there. It's out there. I can't control it any longer. 368 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:50,580 Let the Swiss go and make the arrests 369 00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:52,539 and let the chips fall where they may. 370 00:19:52,582 --> 00:19:56,543 Fortunately the Swiss just, they started going after 371 00:19:56,586 --> 00:19:57,848 these guys at 6 a.m. in Zurich time. 372 00:19:57,892 --> 00:20:00,024 We start hearing: "so and so is in custody. 373 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,504 So and so is in custody. 374 00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:03,811 So and so is in custody." And then, you're relieved. 375 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:08,337 - I was stationed in Rome on that day, by 7:00 my phone 376 00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:11,645 was blowing up from all my Italian law enforcement 377 00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:13,516 contacts who were seeing the news, 378 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,867 who were all soccer fans. They loved it. 379 00:20:16,911 --> 00:20:18,304 They couldn't believe it. 380 00:20:18,347 --> 00:20:20,001 In an early morning police raid, 381 00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:22,438 Swiss authorities were seen escorting several senior FIFA 382 00:20:22,482 --> 00:20:25,528 officials from Zurich's luxury Baur au Lac hotel. 383 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:27,226 Seven men at the hotel were arrested, 384 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:29,489 including FIFA vice president Jeffrey Webb. 385 00:20:29,532 --> 00:20:31,099 Eight others have been indicte. 386 00:20:31,142 --> 00:20:34,189 - The 47-count indictment against these individuals 387 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,192 includes charges of racketeering, wire fraud 388 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,804 and money laundering conspiracies spanning two decades. 389 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:44,417 These individuals, through these organizations, engaged 390 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:47,768 in bribery to decide who would televise games, 391 00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:50,466 where the games would be held, and who would run 392 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:54,514 the organization overseeing organized soccer worldwide. 393 00:21:32,116 --> 00:21:36,295 - I have never taken a bribe from FIFA or anybody else. 394 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,576 - The fact that you have international businessmen 395 00:21:56,619 --> 00:21:59,535 who are abusing the system and basically 396 00:21:59,579 --> 00:22:00,928 making the rules for themselves. 397 00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:03,626 They're using the US financial system to do it. 398 00:22:04,148 --> 00:22:08,501 And for me, that indictment and those arrests and the pictures 399 00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:10,851 of them being arrested coming out of the hotel 400 00:22:10,894 --> 00:22:12,853 with a sheet covering them because they should 401 00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,725 be embarrassed, sends a message to others like them 402 00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:18,946 all over the world that you can't do everything you want 403 00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:20,469 and there are going to be consequences. 404 00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,819 - You took something that was 405 00:22:22,863 --> 00:22:24,560 Snow White clean and made it dirty. 406 00:22:24,604 --> 00:22:28,869 You took a sport that five, six, seven-year-old kids play. 407 00:22:28,912 --> 00:22:31,698 And you just made it a dirty business. 408 00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:33,961 - Yeah. - And I think to me personally, 409 00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:35,136 that's infuriating. 410 00:22:42,665 --> 00:22:45,494 Subtitling: difuze 33586

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