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- The importance of soccer
internationally is kind of
incomprehensible.
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- The World Cup Tournament
is the single largest sporting
event in the world.
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- Soccer is life.
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- These individuals that are
part of the FIFA organizations,
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they are treated like royalty.
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- In the beginning, the biggest
piece was bribery
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for World Cup votes.
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- We looked at this case as
an organized-crime case.
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- You could look at the
structure of FIFA,
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almost like a traditional
organized-crime family
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with a boss, an underboss,
capos, soldiers...
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A pattern of
fraud, bribery and kickbacks
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that netted international soccr
officials and
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marketing executives $150
million over the last 24 years.
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- If anyone overseas caught wind
that the FBI was investigating
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FIFA, the case would have
finished before it started.
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- Who leaked it?
What if, a Swiss law enforcement
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officer gets killed?
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- This really is
the world cup of fraud.
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And today we're issuing
FIFA a red card.
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In the FBI,
we make a lot of headlines.
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Drug busts, mob stings.
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Terrorist takedowns.
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We understand why people want
to tell stories about us.
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- Mark it.
- Freeze!
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- FBI!
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- FBI!
- Action!
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But they don't
know the half of it.
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What really goes down?
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We save that for each other,
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when we're talking
agent to agent.
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This is FBI. True.
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- So, what is FIFA?
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- FIFA is the organization that
oversees world soccer.
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Mike Gaeta
supervised the Eurasian
organized-crime team
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and headed the New York
office's money laundering
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investigations squad.
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- Soccer is the largest
sport in the world.
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FIFA is the largest sport
governing body in the world.
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- Are they like the size
of the United Nations?
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- It's bigger than
the United Nations.
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John Penza is
a 21-year veteran of the FBI.
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John served as both an
investigator and a supervisor
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for the Eurasian and Italian
organized-crime squads,
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focusing on high-level
financial crimes.
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- FIFA's made up of six
confederations that are
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groups of regions of countries
all over the world.
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It is the body that is
controlling the World Cup
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and all the various tournaments
that are held internationally.
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- You're an FBI squad
in New York.
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How does FIFA come
across your desk?
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Kristy Kottis
is a 24-year veteran of the FB.
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she worked gangs, crimes
against children
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as well as
human and drug trafficking.
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- So in 2009, I was assigned to
be the supervisor of
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the Russian organized-crime
squad, and I was given
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the mandate to look
internationally
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for transnational
organized-crime, to look
for sophisticated
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criminal activity that affected
the United States.
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So I was asked to fly to London
to meet some people who wanted
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to talk to us and provide us
information about international
criminal activity.
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One of the things this
person talks about
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is FIFA and
corruption at FIFA.
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The information that we were
told was that for years,
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people were being bribed to vote
for World Cup locations.
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- Think about the Olympics.
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It's bigger.
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It's a huge, huge, huge event
and a gigantic money-maker
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for that country that gets
that bid.
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- There were also allegations
of match fixing.
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There were also allegations
of bribery
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for tickets for tournaments.
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- Are certain countries
mentioned?
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People?
What are they telling you?
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- So this was 2009.
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A shot at
the goal.
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And guess who's got it?
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FIFA Club World Cup champions,
Barcelona.
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- One of the pieces of
information we heard was
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that Russia had been working
to bribe
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to obtain votes for
the World Cup for 2018.
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What we learned is that there
was a group within FIFA
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that was physically based
in New York City.
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And so if there was corruption
and they were engaged,
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then that corruption was
happening here in New York City.
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So it was really
in our backyard.
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- So you're overseas, you're
getting this information.
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You take that back
to the United States.
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Where do you begin?
- I had significant experience
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conducting organized-crime
cases, RICO cases,
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criminal enterprise matters.
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We looked at it as a criminal
enterprise case
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and formulated it that way.
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We had a target here in New
York City named Chuck Blazer
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who is one of the executives
of CONCACAF, which was
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one of the bodies that make up
FIFA, the body that covers
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North America and the Caribbean.
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He was very influential
in the business side
of world soccer.
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- If I look back 10 years,
20 years and see the progress
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we've made, I'm very proud
of our accomplishments.
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- Chuck lived a very high life
here in New York City.
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He was out on the town.
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Somewhat of a socialite.
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- He had two apartments
in Trump Tower.
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He lived on one
of the top floors.
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- Two?
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Two. One for him,
and one for his cats.
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- When you were over in London,
what other names
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were they throwing at you and
have you seen them now
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in your investigation?
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- One of the other names was
Chuck's partner at CONCACAF,
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Jack Warner, who actually was
the president of CONCACAF.
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Jack was from Trinidad
and Tobago.
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Part of the importance of their
positions and them
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in particular, was that they
were actually voting members
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on the executive committee
of FIFA.
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- What does the executive
committee do that makes that
so important?
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- One of the more important
things they do is vote
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for where the World Cup is going
to be held, incredibly big.
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- That's huge.
- Yeah.
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And you've got heads of state
meeting with
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the executive committees
of FIFA lobbying
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to have the vote for them.
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They want the World Cup
in their country.
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- These individuals that are
part of the FIFA organization,
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specifically the ExCo members,
they are treated like royalty.
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The way they traveled, first
class everywhere,
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the best restaurants.
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Just unbelievable, the money
and power these folks have.
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Looking for
Fàbregas. No, it's Iniesta.
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This is it!
That's the goal!
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Spain are the kings
of world football.
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- So at this point
in the investigation,
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has the ExCo had a vote on who's
going to get the next World Cup?
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- When we initiated
the investigation, we knew that
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in a couple of months there was
going to be a vote
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for the World Cup for 2018
and 2022.
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Part of the information we had
obtained was that Russia
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was going to corruptly influence
the vote.
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- It is indeed a great day
today, here in Zurich.
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The 2018 FIFA World Cup,
ladies and gentlemen,
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will be organized in Russia.
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At that point,
we realize, this is the big
break.
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We couldn't believe it.
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- Let us make history together.
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- This is not a small thing.
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Heads of state are involved.
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One of the things we learned
was that corruption in FIFA
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had been in the media for years,
overseas.
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But in the States
we didn't see it.
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Good
morning, welcome to Zurich.
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How much profit did you make
selling World Cup tickets
this year?
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Do you know which football
officials took bribes?
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- I don't answer
these questions.
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- Reporting on corruption
and saying
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something is corrupt
is one thing.
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Right.
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- Proving it in a court of law,
particularly
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in the United States, is
a completely different story.
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A prayer,
I suspect from Kumagii.
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And the World Cup for Japan!
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They have rewritten
the history books.
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Shortly after
the announcement that
the vote for 2018
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went to Russia, we bring IRS
on to join in on the case.
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And so the idea was let's look
from a tax perspective
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at Chuck in particular.
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The information that came back
was Chuck hadn't paid taxes
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for almost 20 years.
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- And when you say hasn't paid
taxes in 20 years,
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we're not talking about like
he made $10,000 a year
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and he just didn't file--
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- Well, we didn't know how much
money because
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he didn't report it.
- Right.
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- However, working at the
highest levels of FIFA,
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living the lifestyle that he did
in Trump Tower in New York City,
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traveling the world, we knew
he's got money
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and he's living it up,
not reporting any of it.
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That is leverage that you can
now utilize
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to obtain his cooperation.
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- Based on the tax information,
and potentially
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he could be ripe for the flip.
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- Right.
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Approaching an individual
to try and get them
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to cooperate, you have to be
very strategic about it
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if you're doing a criminal
enterprise case.
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- Absolutely
- Because it's not about Chuck.
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- No.
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- The case is about
a much bigger picture.
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If the approach with Chuck
fails, then everybody will know
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what we're trying to do because
he'll tell everybody.
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- Yeah.
- You have to plan out
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how to do so in a way that is
the least public way possible.
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And you do that just old school
surveillance,
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trying to figure out
his routine.
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And the idea was to wait
near Trump Tower.
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Odds are he's coming out
and going to dinner.
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He was always out eating dinner.
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They approach him and said:
"We need to speak with you.
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You have some issues that you
need to explain."
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He was taken aback
at first.
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But he's also a very
cool character.
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He composed himself quickly and
said:
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"Look, I know, I want to help.
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I'll call you and we'll set
something up."
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- Now you've got the target
saying: "Yeah, I'll
work with you".
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- Well, he says:
"I'll meet with you."
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- I got excited.
- Getting to the point where
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he'll work with us...
- Yeah.
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-...takes a little bit.
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And so ultimately there's
a meeting in 26 Fed.
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At that meeting, he's presented
with what we know,
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which is the fact that he hadn't
paid taxes for years.
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He's also presented
with options.
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He can A, try to address his
tax situation by proactively
helping the government.
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Or he can sit back and wait for
the government to charge him
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criminally and then go
to prison.
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- That's B.
- Right.
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- And he chooses?
- He chose A.
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- So, when he leaves that door
and he walks out,
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there's got to be a
little trepidation like:
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"I hope he shuts his mouth".
- Yeah. Everytime.
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You know, because if he tells
his girlfriend, his ex-wife,
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Jack Warner.
Game over for the investigation.
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They are going
to have one evening to celebrae
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here which will last long
into the night.
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- So now that we've got Chuck
to flip,
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what are the goals
in this case?
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- This is an organized-crime
case,
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and organized crime-cases
are made with cooperators.
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So you have to develop
cooperators like Chuck.
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But to get to the hierarchy,
the top targets of the group,
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you have to get step by step
cooperation.
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Because you're not going
to find it on paper.
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- So what does that look like?
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- First, we're meeting with
Chuck, with the, with the U.S.
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attorney's offices, and
he is proffering.
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He is telling us some of his
bad deeds and folks
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that he's engaged in criminal
activity with.
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Then the next logical step for
us as investigators
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is to get him talking to those
bad guys,
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to get those
conversations on tape.
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And that's exactly what we did.
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- So where does that lead us?
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- We have a number of months
where he's actively wiring up
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against various people.
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- Here in the United States,
or...
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- Here in the US and
overseas.
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- Oh, he goes overseas, too.
- He went overseas and
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we had him at the Olympics
in London in 2012.
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Developing information against
the targets of the case.
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- Now Chuck is telling us
about other people.
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Are some of the people that
he mentions,
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do we know who they are and
have we seen them
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in our investigation?
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They were other members
of the ExCo.
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Sepp Blatter, who was
the top of the hierarchy.
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The head of FIFA.
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- I have been elected by 133
national associations,
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but I am
the president of everybody.
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- And so they were high-profile
people, but there were also
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people we never knew about in
various aspects
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of this corruption,
over the years.
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We're talking 20 years
of activity that we learned
from Chuck.
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- What are some of the people
that you get from him
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that are
pretty big cheeses?
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- An individual named
José Hawilla.
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He lived in Brazil.
Very big player in the sports
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marketing scene in South
America.
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He had significant contact with
other ExCo
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members from South America.
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- What's his job
in South America?
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- He had a couple of companies
that negotiated for
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television rights and for
the various tournaments
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that FIFA would hold in
South America.
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He would obtain those rights
and then he would
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resell those rights.
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Neymar!
Wow!
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There's no stopping that.
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- What information do we get
about that individual?
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- In regard to what Chuck knew
and talked about,
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it was a bribe that
had been covered up.
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Knowing that Hawilla was
currently involved in the mix
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with ExCo members down
in Florida, big players,
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longtime players within FIFA,
we thought we could turn that
into something.
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But at the same time, we're
also recognizing that,
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you know, look, if we don't get
Hawilla,
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this case may not go further.
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It's kind of a make
or break situation.
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So the U.S. Attorney's office
prepares the complaint,
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and we get
a warrant for his arrest.
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We learned a couple days
in advance
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he was coming into Miami.
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We had a team down in Miami
and they arrested him
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when he came off the plane.
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- Was he shocked?
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- Extremely.
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- He's obviously a Portuguese
speaker and Spanish
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and English
is like his third language.
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So we're trying to convey to
him how serious of a position
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he's in and that he needs
to fully cooperate or else
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he will never go back
to Brazil again.
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- So when you guys target José,
you guys are having
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like a come
to Jesus moment.
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And what happens after that?
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- He starts making
the recordings he needs to make.
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Mario Goötze
for Germany!
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112 minutes!
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They find the way!
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- From him, how many other
subjects now are we developing?
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- 17, 18, 19.
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- Wow.
- And keep in mind, his base
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of operations is Brazil.
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That's CONMEBOL territory,
another federation
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similar to CONCACAF.
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All those countries in South
America, Hawilla has access to.
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So literally the floodgates
opened when he came in.
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- Now all of a sudden you're
probably getting a firehose
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of information and evidence.
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- Yeah, and you're triaging
those folks.
- Yeah.
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- Who makes the most sense?
Are they US-based?
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Can we put our hands on them?
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Are they from non-extraditing
countries?
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- So was a lot of it based on
information that Chuck had
gotten you?
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- Chuck, Hawilla and
other cooperators.
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And we were able to,
in collaboration with the IRS
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and the U.S. Attorney's Office,
build a RICO indictment
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against initially
14 individuals.
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- Wow.
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John Smith
forward. Bryan is there as wel.
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What is down for
the United States?
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The United States of America
are the 2015 World Cup winners.
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- We found out there was going
to be a FIFA ExCo meeting
in Zurich.
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It was going to be about
a week at an exclusive hotel.
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- All the players that we want
to arrest are in one location.
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- These were folks that we hoped
would travel to Zurich for
the meeting.
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Again, we hoped.
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The arrests were going
to be at 0600, 6 a.m.
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Swiss time, which was going
to be midnight our time.
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A quarter after 11, 11:30, IRS,
the FIFA FBI team and
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the Department of Justice from
Eastern District,
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we all assembled in the command
post in 26 Federal Plaza.
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We had a live feed to Hoover.
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We had direct comms with Zurich.
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And we had different news
channels on
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and waited for
the arrests to start.
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00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:02,184
- The excitement must be
palpable.
347
00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:03,142
- The adrenaline is pumping.
348
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What's going to happen?
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Is everybody there?
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Who's not there?
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Shortly before midnight, again,
we had all these
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news channels on, there's like
some kind of CNN banner
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about an arrest in Zurich.
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- Wait... OK. Time out.
You're sitting in the op center
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and then a banner comes up
that says
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there's going to be arrests
in Zurich.
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Were you like, it's over?
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- I looked at the lead AUSA,
Evan Norris,
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and I'm like: "what
the fuck?"
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Who leaked it?
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00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:33,128
- Right.
- What if, God forbid,
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a Swiss law enforcement officer
gets hurt or God forbid, killed?
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- Right.
- Who would do this?
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But from the timing of it,
we did not collectively
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00:19:42,659 --> 00:19:44,487
have enough time to start
pointing fingers.
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00:19:44,531 --> 00:19:46,228
And we just had to
say, you know what?
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It's there. It's out there.
I can't control it any longer.
368
00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:50,580
Let the Swiss go and make
the arrests
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and let the chips
fall where they may.
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Fortunately the Swiss just,
they started going after
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these guys at 6 a.m.
in Zurich time.
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We start hearing: "so
and so is in custody.
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So and so is in custody.
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So and so is in custody."
And then, you're relieved.
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00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:08,337
- I was stationed in Rome on
that day, by 7:00 my phone
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00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:11,645
was blowing up from all
my Italian law enforcement
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00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:13,516
contacts who were seeing
the news,
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00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,867
who were all soccer fans.
They loved it.
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00:20:16,911 --> 00:20:18,304
They couldn't believe it.
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00:20:18,347 --> 00:20:20,001
In an early
morning police raid,
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00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:22,438
Swiss authorities were seen
escorting several senior FIFA
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officials from Zurich's luxury
Baur au Lac hotel.
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Seven men at the hotel
were arrested,
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including FIFA vice
president Jeffrey Webb.
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Eight others have been indicte.
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00:20:31,142 --> 00:20:34,189
- The 47-count indictment
against these individuals
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includes charges
of racketeering, wire fraud
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and money laundering
conspiracies spanning
two decades.
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00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:44,417
These individuals, through
these organizations, engaged
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in bribery to decide who would
televise games,
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where the games would be held,
and who would run
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the organization overseeing
organized soccer worldwide.
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- I have never taken a bribe
from FIFA or anybody else.
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- The fact that you have
international businessmen
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who are abusing the system
and basically
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00:21:59,579 --> 00:22:00,928
making the rules
for themselves.
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00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:03,626
They're using the US financial
system to do it.
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And for me, that indictment and
those arrests and the pictures
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00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:10,851
of them being arrested coming
out of the hotel
400
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with a sheet covering them
because they should
401
00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,725
be embarrassed, sends a message
to others like them
402
00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:18,946
all over the world that you
can't do everything you want
403
00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:20,469
and there are going
to be consequences.
404
00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,819
- You took something that was
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00:22:22,863 --> 00:22:24,560
Snow White clean
and made it dirty.
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You took a sport that five,
six, seven-year-old kids play.
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00:22:28,912 --> 00:22:31,698
And you just made it
a dirty business.
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00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:33,961
- Yeah.
- And I think to me personally,
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that's infuriating.
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