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Okay. Come back even further.
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Come back much fur-- Swing left.
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And stop. Okay.
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MAN 1:
I don't know what's going on here.
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Yeah, it's not gonna be
anywhere near far enough.
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They're gonna be right here.
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I need to get the camera back about here.
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MAN 2: We'll have to find a search lamp.
MAN 3: Okay.
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I think we started shooting
October 2006, something like that.
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We wrapped May of 2007.
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WAGNER: It's 145 days.
Longer than Zodiac by 32 days.
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It was eight days longer
than Fight Club.
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But it was less than Panic Room.
But Panic Room is a different story.
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Not only are we talking 200 locations,
we're also talking a change...
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...from turn of the century
to present day.
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Show me what you want.
I'm gonna figure out what we can do.
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FINCHER: Anyway,
that's what we're doing for the train.
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So these cars go down how many?
How many do you want?
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It's.... Uh.... Twelve.
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Anytime you take a movie
that transcends that kind of time span...
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...those kinds of cities and locations,
you know it's gonna be big.
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Put them down.
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WAGNER: But with David, he's not a guy
who wants to work 19 hours.
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He knows that you get to a point
of diminishing returns.
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So if he can do 140 days...
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...and they're 11-hour days
or 12-hour days, it--
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You start doing the math,
and you start crunching the numbers...
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...and you're doing a 90-day
or 100-day shoot...
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...and you're working 15, 16, 17 hours...
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...it's almost the "Peter pays Paul,"
you know, principle.
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And it's a wash.
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For me, there's the beginning,
then middle, then the end.
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So the time didn't feel arduous
in any way.
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Cutting.
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Let's walk through and say, "Gas mask."
And I’ll have them raise their hand.
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We'll get them masked up.
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KUPETSKY: Okay, background.
Everybody look this way.
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We're gonna just walk through
and assign gas masks to certain people.
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Remember that, because I'm gonna
ask the people with gas masks...
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...to raise their hands
so we can mask them up, okay?
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Just walk through and say,
"Gas mask, gas mask," okay?
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WEST: All right.
KUPETSKY: Go ahead.
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Make sure you mention to Props
if you have a gas mask, okay?
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That you were just assigned.
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So your gun-- You wanna make sure
your gun-- In real life...
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...doesn't hit the mud,
and the muzzle doesn't get clogged.
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If you have to shoot at somebody, and you
got a gun that won't fire, you're gonna die.
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WEST: You do it with your stunt guys--
-I’ll handle it for you. Yes, ma'am.
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WEST: By what they're doing.
I don't want anyone to get hurt.
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Yeah. It’s good that they have
the visions hit the bombs.
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-I know.
-And they'll fog up.
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-Yeah.
-But we'll get plenty of gas masks out.
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-That sounds good.
-Okay. I'm sorry, Hope.
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Did he get a--? He could use a gas mask,
this guy right here.
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MAN 1: Here we go.
MAN 2: Okay.
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MAN 1:
Ready and action.
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[GUNFIRE]
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DALTON:
David's very particular in what he wants.
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So you need to be able to give him
multiple takes...
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...so he can get those nuances
he needs to make it just right.
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MAN:
Way to stay with it.
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So even though it's a flashback sequence,
we still needed to have 20 takes available...
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...that we could do
one right after the other.
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So to be able to build a couple-acre set
that has this many soldiers running across...
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...that have 20 explosions
and 20 takes...
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...and have it all, be able to do it
in one day, becomes a challenge.
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MAN 1: And roll it.
-Hold on.
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MAN 2:
Ready. And action!
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[YELLING]
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DALTON:
Our actors were three, four feet away...
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...when the explosions were going off.
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So we built every one of these...
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...into the ground in mortar, so we could
control where the debris went.
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Using all lightweight materials,
hand wrapping our own lifters...
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...and using just a flash of light...
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...as opposed to using liquids
like flammable gas...
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...or any of the other combinations where
you could get someone hurt or burned.
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To simulate the look,
but still get the action.
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MAN: These are our two mortar beds
which we are responsible for, C and D.
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And that's the layout
for each individual mortar in the bed.
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And this is a layout of the whole field.
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This is where our two beds are,
in correlation to the other.
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DALTON: In between myself
and the stunt coordinator...
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...we had to work out
where the entire crowd of soldiers...
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...some extras and some stuntpeople,
could run through this...
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...with never stepping on
where our explosions were going to be.
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And having them go off
at exact points for certain soldiers.
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Certain individuals were supposed to be hit
at certain times, at certain cues...
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...while the camera's on the move
in a trench...
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...so we could have camera
at ground height.
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So it was
a very well choreographed sequence...
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...very well thought out.
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And all went real well.
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MAN:
Thank you very much. A great hand.
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How about a good round of applause
for our stuntmen...
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...and our special-effects guys?
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[PEOPLE WHOOPING AND CLAPPING]
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BURT: You know, when you do a film
that's period and realistic...
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...in terms of sets and settings,
you don't wanna do something...
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...that overtakes the characters
in the story.
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But you wanna do something that
supports them. That's what I see my job as.
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We talked about doing flats
down the walkway.
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Okay, where is our bench?
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BURT: This is what we were gonna do
on the exterior.
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Already ventral sconces there...
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...and maybe something just right up above
on the capped ceiling there.
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There's so many other elements
into expressing that.
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It's where the camera is placed,
what lens is used...
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...what they see in the room,
how much set dressing is left in the room...
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...how much isn't, you know.
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A room can feel lonely
with one or two pieces.
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There are many things that contribute to it.
The lighting and the actors.
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Yeah, so we bring him in here...
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...bring him in here, and he goes this way,
and then he walks along here...
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...and then he stops,
and he goes through that door.
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And he comes in, and this is her place.
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BURT: It's one of many elements,
and that's what's so fun...
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...about filmmaking, I think, is that,
you know, in the end...
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...when you see the film,
you go, wow.
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You know, all those pieces
came together.
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The interior of the train station...
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...that was a build with a blue screen
for set extension...
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...CG set extension.
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We researched train stations,
in general, of that period...
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...and we combined some different elements
that we felt comfortable with...
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...that sort of evoked the feeling
that we wanted to present.
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And roll, please.
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GATEAU:
I hope you enjoy my clock.
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-That's it.
-Curtain.
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[CROWD CLAPPING]
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BURT: We looked at period clocks,
in particular, French period clocks...
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...because the clockmaker,
himself, was French.
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And we felt that there should be
some sort of influence to it.
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But again, it was a process...
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...of drawing up several hundred, probably,
different clocks...
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...and sort of, you know, fine-tuning
what we wanted it to look like.
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And make it as wide as you can.
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MAN 1: Okay.
MAN 2: Okay, here we go.
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-It’s running backwards!
MAN 3: Earl, let me see your point.
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-I’m pointing at the banner.
MAN 3: Okay, a little lower.
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It's running backwards!
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MAN 3: There.
MAN 4: Better.
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Yep. Let me present
how shooting is compromised.
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Because we could get a little glint
in the glasses.
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We could get just a little liner.
We could do all these things.
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And we just never have time.
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MAN 5: But, you know,
the broad brushstrokes are right.
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That looks nice. That was nice.
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Flash.
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MAN 6:
Okay, here we go.
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[CHEERING]
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DALTON: One of the things we had to
make look real in the film were...
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...the period fireworks,
1917, Armistice Day.
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So we're trying to do fireworks
in a town that's built out of wood.
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Where they don't want any flame,
any spark of any kind.
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So we went out and tried to find
the most period realistic.
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They still make some
of the same kinds of fireworks...
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...they did at the turn of the century.
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We were gonna try and do additional
fireworks, actual mortar bursts into the air...
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...but the Historical Society of New Orleans
said: "Not over our wood city."
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So all that's gonna be CG.
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So basically, we have Roman candles ready.
You'll hear it on the "action."
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Repeat after "action."
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Action, Roman candle.
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MAN:
Action!
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[CHEERING]
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WAGNER: With this too,
it was a period movie...
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...so that means wigs for all the extras...
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...and haircuts and mustaches and fittings
and, you know, cars, 1919 cars.
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They didn't have cooling systems...
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...so they would overheat
in the middle of the shot.
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And you'd run up to an extra and say,
"Don't stop and, like, look at the camera.
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Act like you're driving
and your car overheated...
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...and get out and keep it going
until you hear 'cut."'
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-You know, stay in that moment.
MAN: Background.
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[CHEERING]
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WAGNER: Extras tend to do silent-film
acting, really, just over the top.
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And you finally just tell them, you know,
"Hey, guys, less is more, less is more."
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And with David, you know,
you're on take 15...
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...and they're bored already,
and that's when it's genuine.
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Take one and two, they're all smiles
and happy and overacting.
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U.S.A., baby. Whoo!
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But then you get to take 15 and 16,
and it's been beaten out of them...
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...and they're good.
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Do it again.
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-You beat them off with the baby.
-Oh, did I?
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"Get out of my way, out of my way."
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FLEMYNG:
"I've got an ugly baby."
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FINCHER:
It's kind of great.
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Bob, make Ashley run
a little bit more crazy...
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...like just going through people.
I just need to--
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His shadow's not spectacular enough
for Jason.
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FLEMYNG: I had met Fincher and Ceán
socially through Brad...
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...because I met Brad during Snatch.
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Uh, you know....
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And he's Fincher and Brad's Brad,
and they're pretty good at what they do.
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And I was just this kind of English guy
that Brad knew, who was an actor.
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So I sort of found a script,
got hold of a script...
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...and put myself on tape for it
and sent it out to Fincher, because I--
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Honest truth, I didn't think I’d get a chance
to get the part.
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But I just wanted him to know
that I could act and that that's what I did.
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Rather than just be that English bloke...
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...who's at those dinners,
who drank too much.
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And so he looked at it,
and he asked me to come out and see him.
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I kind of knew that the studios
wouldn't necessarily be interested...
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...in me playing that part.
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When I came out,
I knew he'd have my back...
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...as much as he could as a friend.
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I thought he was going to instruct me
about what I had to do...
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...in order to have a chance
of getting the part.
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I was chatting away to him.
We were here, and he took me through the--
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It was like, "Come and have a look
at what you could've won," you know?
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He took me through all the designs
and through props...
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...and showing me pictures of the sets
and Lake Pontchartrain.
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And I was just, in my head, going,
"This is agony.
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This is agony. It's making it worse."
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MAN 1: We'll step back,
pull in the bag.
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MAN 2: Flemyng,
you're starting on the other side.
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You're left to right, dude.
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FLEMYNG: At the end of the day--
We spent 6 hours together.
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At the end of the day, I said, "David, what
do I have to do to improve my chances?"
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And he went, "Oh, no, you got the part."
I was like: Ah.
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So that's what happened.
And it's been an incredible ride.
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I got involved when I didn't know
I was getting involved, um.
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Laray Mayfield, apparently,
had gone to see Hustle and Flow.
226
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And, um, she called David Fincher.
227
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I think at that time
the project wasn't even green-lit yet.
228
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She calls David Fincher
in the middle of the film...
229
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...and she says, "I found Queenie."
230
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This is all happening
while I’m at home poor...
231
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...and, you know, without a job,
thinking it's the end of the world.
232
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And I’m having this huge garage sale.
My agent calls, and she's like:
233
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"You have to go in tomorrow
and meet Fincher." It’s on a Saturday.
234
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I'm like, "Well I'm having a garage sale.
How do I...?" Heh, heh.
235
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I'm no idiot. You know,
David Fincher, garage sale, come on.
236
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So I go in. I'm like,
"Okay, who are the usual suspects...
237
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...I’m gonna see in the waiting room?"
238
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Nobody. It's just me.
She takes me right into David Fincher.
239
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And I read it a couple times.
He and I basically chitchat.
240
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And after I finish the last scene,
he's like:
241
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"So have you ever been
in prosthetics before?"
242
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So in my mind I’m trying not to lose it,
because I’m like:
243
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"Okay, is he telling me I got the job?"
244
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Apparently, um, he was.
245
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You know what I mean?
It was just something that I said.
246
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CANNOM: It’s interesting. I talked to
somebody 15, 20 years ago about it.
247
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They were talking about another big actor
at the time.
248
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I read the script, and I was just like,
you know:
249
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"How can you build all this stuff?
250
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How are you gonna do somebody...
251
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...76 years old, you know,
three, four feet high?
252
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And the actor and match it all?"
253
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And it never happened,
because you just couldn't pull it off.
254
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So it's pretty amazing
that after all these years...
255
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...and now, with the technology,
it was the perfect time.
256
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It's the type of film you can't turn down
no matter what.
257
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And it's the biggest film
I've ever done, makeup-wise.
258
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We did a mechanical baby,
which is used in the beginning of the film...
259
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...when he's a new young born.
260
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And my idea
was to do it like a shar-pei dog.
261
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We did all these little shar-pei wrinkles
all over him...
262
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...and put age spots on him,
and it was really fun.
263
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HENSON: I remember
when I was doing my makeup test...
264
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...they were building
the animatronic baby.
265
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And I remember I said,
"I wanna see this baby."
266
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Because I like to see...
267
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...so I can really fall in love
with what I'm gonna be working with...
268
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...since it's not gonna be a human
or a real baby.
269
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They have the baby sitting on a pole...
270
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...and the pole is, like, in the baby's rectum.
That's like, "Wait a minute."
271
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Then I walk around the table,
and I see the face...
272
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...and I’m like, "Oh, this thing is ugly."
Like that's-- It was just--
273
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It was hideous.
274
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And every day I would go back,
just so I could attach.
275
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And the more and more
I looked at the baby...
276
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...the more and more
it started to look cute.
277
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And I guess it's so ugly that it's cute.
278
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You know those little fish
with the big eyes, and you're like--
279
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After a while, you're like,
"Oh, he's cute."
280
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[LAUGHS]
281
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MAN 1:
That does look like Brad, doesn't it?
282
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-From the bellybutton down.
MAN 1: Yeah.
283
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Okay, um.
284
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So what lens is that?
285
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MAN 2:
That's a 21.
286
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-Go to a 20.
MAN 1: Okay.
287
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FINCHER: So we need to take a little bit
of the sheen out of the forehead.
288
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Just a teeny bit. It's just a little much.
289
00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:50,461
Yeah, we need to add a little bit
in here and a little bit here.
290
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And then we need to take this out,
because this is too wet-looking.
291
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MAN 3: There you go.
MAN 4: And action.
292
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DOCTOR: He shows all the deterioration,
the infirmities not of a newborn...
293
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...but a man well in his 80s
on the way to his grave.
294
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HENSON: This script, to me, is
the ultimate meaning of unconditional love.
295
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And that's a gift from God that we have.
296
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That's basically what we're put
on this planet Earth to do, is to give love.
297
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At the end of our cycle, what do you do?
298
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You move on from the flesh,
so that's life.
299
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But I think the best part of life is loving
as much as you can while you're living.
300
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MAN 1: Cut it.
MAN 2: Nice work, guys.
301
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MAN 3: Good, good, good.
MAN 4: Okay, now we unpack it.
302
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MIRANDA: I was the first one
that did the Viper stuff with David.
303
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And we started with a Libra.
304
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It was the first spot that we did,
and I tested the camera.
305
00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:45,283
And, um....
306
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Then we did a bunch after that, though.
The Heineken beer on spots.
307
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MAN:
Roll.
308
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MAVROMATES:
David has used the Viper for...
309
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...going on four years now,
probably, with this commercial--
310
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It's a tool that he really knows very well.
It has been very dependable.
311
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It worked very well on Zodiac, and when
it came to working on Benjamin Button--
312
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We always revisit what we've used...
313
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...and to see if there's anything, you know,
greater out there, anything better...
314
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...anything more unique
that relates to the current project.
315
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Chin up. And then some intense acting.
316
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Surprise, and laughter.
317
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-Cut it. All right, good.
MAN: Good.
318
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MIRANDA: We were trying to shoot 4K,
so we looked at the Dalsa.
319
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The Red wasn't ready at the time.
The D-20 wasn't ready as well.
320
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,894
I mean, we needed multiple cameras,
you know.
321
00:15:30,062 --> 00:15:35,700
And so there was, like, one D-20 ready,
so we didn't make that an option at all.
322
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MAVROMATES: We actually did go
and test the Dalsa camera...
323
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...which was still in some ways
under development.
324
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And it still hasn't quite matured.
325
00:15:42,474 --> 00:15:44,676
But it was attractive in a few ways.
326
00:15:44,843 --> 00:15:46,711
One of them
is that it had a larger file size.
327
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It was somewhere between 3K and 4K,
depending on how you measure it...
328
00:15:50,249 --> 00:15:53,418
...and what lenses you use
and that sort of thing. That was one factor.
329
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The other thing that's different
about the Dalsa is the sensor is larger.
330
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The Viper sensor is really almost
the equivalent of shooting a 16mm movie.
331
00:16:02,061 --> 00:16:03,494
So that's a different look.
332
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MAN 1:
Good, play it back.
333
00:16:04,863 --> 00:16:07,031
MAN 2: Check this out,
it's looking pretty good.
334
00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:10,969
MIRANDA: Sometimes it's not about, like,
4K or 2K or 35 or two-thirds chip...
335
00:16:11,136 --> 00:16:13,037
...it's actually,
"How does it look in the end?"
336
00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:14,973
I think that's just
kind of more important...
337
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,342
...and the Viper looked good, you know.
338
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:20,378
So that was kind of--
You know, people are saying, like:
339
00:16:20,546 --> 00:16:21,779
"Oh, you should have shot Red."
340
00:16:21,947 --> 00:16:26,250
And I saw Red,
and there was issues that were not....
341
00:16:26,418 --> 00:16:29,687
That I need more latitude, you know,
that was not presented there.
342
00:16:29,855 --> 00:16:33,257
Many factors came
into the final decision for the Viper...
343
00:16:33,425 --> 00:16:36,227
...but probably the one
that was the tipping point...
344
00:16:36,395 --> 00:16:38,162
...is actually the familiarity with it...
345
00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:42,967
...and that we had gotten so good at it
on Zodiac.
346
00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:45,236
And David was still happy
with the look of it...
347
00:16:45,404 --> 00:16:47,872
...that there was not a great incentive
to change that...
348
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,076
...because, despite the size of the budget,
the budget was extremely tight.
349
00:16:52,244 --> 00:16:54,412
And so that little margin of error...
350
00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:58,416
...might be the difference of using a camera
we know versus one that we don't know.
351
00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:01,686
Give it a little moment, because I wanna
play it in a close-up of, like....
352
00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,188
You go, "Is he gonna go bullshit
for this whole thing?"
353
00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:06,357
Or then he kind of goes: Ha, ha, ha.
354
00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:08,226
God bless you.
355
00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:10,094
He's 7.
356
00:17:10,262 --> 00:17:14,999
In the revival tent, we were using
these 60-watt old-fashioned bulbs.
357
00:17:15,167 --> 00:17:17,969
You know, that are from, like--
You know, the period-made gloves.
358
00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:19,837
Kind of the way they did in the old days.
359
00:17:20,005 --> 00:17:23,307
So okay, well, I'll let this room light itself
with 60-watt bulbs.
360
00:17:23,475 --> 00:17:24,976
Should be no issue.
361
00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:27,345
I mean, I've never had issue
on film before.
362
00:17:27,513 --> 00:17:29,380
But when I get there on the day...
363
00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:31,449
...and it's too late
for me to change anything...
364
00:17:31,617 --> 00:17:36,120
...I go to the gaffer. I go, like, "Chris,
are these all, you know, 100 percent?"
365
00:17:36,355 --> 00:17:38,156
Uh, heh....
366
00:17:38,323 --> 00:17:41,092
And he goes, "Yeah, yeah,
they're all 100 percent."
367
00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:44,095
"Shit, I don't have enough light."
368
00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:47,632
There's nothing I can do. This was
the whole idea for lighting this thing.
369
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,867
It was like, you know,
these bulbs light the scene...
370
00:17:50,035 --> 00:17:51,536
...and we're calling it this.
371
00:17:51,703 --> 00:17:54,372
I don't do anything, anywhere.
This is it.
372
00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:59,177
And, you know, pulled it out,
running at about, like, 140 volts.
373
00:17:59,344 --> 00:18:01,813
Just trying to get every single ounce
of light from this thing.
374
00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:04,482
I might even increased the shutter,
open more from the 180...
375
00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:07,218
...to the 230 or something like that.
376
00:18:07,386 --> 00:18:10,588
And I said, "Really, these are 60 watts?"
377
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:14,158
You open them up. Normally, you could
light a scene like that comfortably...
378
00:18:14,326 --> 00:18:17,395
...with, like, 25 watts,
you know, standard.
379
00:18:17,563 --> 00:18:20,031
I mean, you'd be totally fine,
but that one was just--
380
00:18:20,199 --> 00:18:22,467
That was a little bit of a, "Oh, God."
381
00:18:22,634 --> 00:18:26,637
I need you to pay a little bit more attention
to this area of the room.
382
00:18:26,805 --> 00:18:30,274
Project into here, because it's so nice
if we have you on both.
383
00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:33,911
You know, kind of looking over
the congregation here.
384
00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,015
HENSON: The first day of shooting for me
in New Orleans was the revival tent.
385
00:18:38,183 --> 00:18:42,920
And for some reason that day,
it was extremely cold.
386
00:18:43,088 --> 00:18:46,090
The wind was whipping.
I thought Katrina was back.
387
00:18:47,059 --> 00:18:50,528
Think I got sick that first day too,
because it was so cold.
388
00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:52,597
So Lance, let's see pushing Taraji back...
389
00:18:52,764 --> 00:18:55,266
...and let me just see Taraji fall.
390
00:18:56,235 --> 00:18:57,735
-Praise God!
CROWD: Praise God!
391
00:18:57,903 --> 00:18:58,936
Hallelujah.
392
00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:00,972
FINCHER:
"In the name of God's glory, rise up."
393
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:02,974
Forget the wheelchair.
394
00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,243
-He's gonna walk without anything.
NICHOLS: Right.
395
00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:08,546
There's not gonna be-- It's not like
he's gonna go from a wheelchair...
396
00:19:08,714 --> 00:19:10,148
...to a crutch. No.
397
00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:14,218
We're gonna go-- We're gonna bypass that.
We're going right to run.
398
00:19:14,386 --> 00:19:15,520
[CHEERING]
399
00:19:15,687 --> 00:19:18,589
Walk on. Yes.
400
00:19:18,757 --> 00:19:20,258
That's right, Benjamin.
401
00:19:20,425 --> 00:19:22,460
Let the Lord carry you.
402
00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:27,698
HENSON: I actually developed a certain love
for each different stand-in.
403
00:19:27,866 --> 00:19:30,801
Which only helped
when they superimposed Brad's face later...
404
00:19:30,969 --> 00:19:32,270
...because it looks consistent.
405
00:19:32,437 --> 00:19:34,605
Hallelujah.
406
00:19:34,773 --> 00:19:35,940
[CROWD CHEERING THEN GASPS]
407
00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:37,375
[WOMEN GASP]
408
00:19:37,543 --> 00:19:41,412
I'm a mother, and my son is 14 now.
409
00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:42,980
So, you know, they have different--
410
00:19:43,148 --> 00:19:45,516
You have different phases
of your relationship.
411
00:19:45,684 --> 00:19:47,385
And that's just how it reads, you know.
412
00:19:47,553 --> 00:19:50,655
Because the shortest guy, Peter,
I had a certain love for him.
413
00:19:50,822 --> 00:19:54,325
And then the next guy, Robert, when he
came in, then it turned into something else.
414
00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:57,695
It reads, like,
just a normal mother-son relationship.
415
00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:00,131
"When am I gonna die, Mama?"
"Tomorrow. Now go to sleep."
416
00:20:00,299 --> 00:20:01,832
HENSON:
You would never know that:
417
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,268
"Oh, she's acting opposite
someone that's not Brad."
418
00:20:04,436 --> 00:20:08,306
FINCHER: Okay, and you're reaching up
for comfort. And action.
419
00:20:09,308 --> 00:20:11,809
Too fast. Once again.
420
00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:15,112
And action.
421
00:20:16,915 --> 00:20:18,716
BADALAMENTI:
It might be difficult for them...
422
00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:21,719
...because you're looking at somebody
like me, with nodes and blue dots.
423
00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:27,024
And if they were looking for available
stimulus in some aspect like that...
424
00:20:27,192 --> 00:20:29,293
...it might be confusing or dis--
425
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:33,064
You know, it might be irritating
for them to look at or just funny.
426
00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:34,932
There you go.
427
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:38,269
Okay, nope, eye line's too wide.
Have him look right here.
428
00:20:38,437 --> 00:20:39,971
Just look at right here.
429
00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:42,306
DOYLE:
One of the biggest issues we had...
430
00:20:42,474 --> 00:20:44,542
...along the lines
of a location manager's problem...
431
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:46,877
...is that this is a city
that had 800 people...
432
00:20:47,045 --> 00:20:49,280
...in their Public Works Department
before the hurricane.
433
00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:54,185
And on November 15th, 2005,
they had 14.
434
00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:56,988
Because they had zero tax base,
and they couldn't pay them.
435
00:20:57,155 --> 00:21:00,358
So they, literally, laid off 700 people.
436
00:21:00,525 --> 00:21:03,995
So Public Works, for a location manager,
you so rely on them.
437
00:21:04,162 --> 00:21:07,365
They're the people that deal
with your street signs and all that other--
438
00:21:07,532 --> 00:21:09,300
But I’m also dealing
with a period picture.
439
00:21:09,468 --> 00:21:12,937
There's no parking meters
and electronic parking kiosks...
440
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:14,605
...and those new cobra heads.
441
00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:17,241
These are all things
that we would normally pay...
442
00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:19,744
...a city's Public Works Department
to remove.
443
00:21:19,911 --> 00:21:23,748
And we'd put up our fake things.
Well, there is nobody to pay.
444
00:21:23,915 --> 00:21:27,485
So it was a huge problem. And it lasted
straight through all of production.
445
00:21:27,653 --> 00:21:29,520
We would have to get
our own contractors...
446
00:21:29,688 --> 00:21:31,989
...some of them staffed
by former Public Works workers.
447
00:21:32,157 --> 00:21:36,327
Doing as much as we can, so David
had to do as little as possible in post.
448
00:21:36,495 --> 00:21:39,664
He already had so much to do in post,
anyways, and visual effects.
449
00:21:39,831 --> 00:21:43,634
All right, let's clear. This is picture.
Everybody clear, please.
450
00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:46,537
MAN 1: I’m ready.
-The sun should hold for a minute.
451
00:21:46,705 --> 00:21:47,905
MAN 2:
Thank you. Here we go.
452
00:21:48,907 --> 00:21:50,708
Officer Kauffman, lock it up, please.
453
00:21:50,876 --> 00:21:53,177
David, effects, you cool?
454
00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:57,114
DALTON: In the script, it has a simple scene
calling for a trolley car.
455
00:21:57,282 --> 00:21:58,749
I go, "Great. They'll get a camera...
456
00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,619
...they'll hop on the trolley car,
I'll have a nice day."
457
00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:04,388
No way.
Trolley cars were out of commission.
458
00:22:05,457 --> 00:22:08,025
DOYLE: The cantanary system
was badly damaged in Katrina...
459
00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:10,328
...and then it was finished off
at Hurricane Rita...
460
00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:14,732
...which had much higher winds that hit
right there in the middle of New Orleans.
461
00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:16,500
So there was no running streetcar...
462
00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:18,969
...in a movie that had
five or six streetcar scenes.
463
00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:21,272
I mean, it's iconic for the city.
464
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,208
So there was another thing
that the special-effects guys...
465
00:22:24,376 --> 00:22:27,578
...and, in some part, the location team,
but everyone, had to overcome.
466
00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:32,149
DALTON: So we had about a three-block
sequence of a trolley car...
467
00:22:32,317 --> 00:22:35,086
...that has to start, stop, run
and take off...
468
00:22:35,253 --> 00:22:37,988
...as if it was fully controlled
by the overhead wires.
469
00:22:38,156 --> 00:22:41,559
DOYLE: We shut down three different
crossovers on St. Charles Boulevard...
470
00:22:41,727 --> 00:22:43,894
...and put cable down on the ground.
471
00:22:44,062 --> 00:22:46,897
So we could pull the streetcar
back and forth in the shot.
472
00:22:47,065 --> 00:22:50,368
And they could stop it on a dime,
like a ski lift.
473
00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:54,538
Which costs a lot more than just having
the streetcar go by and do the shot.
474
00:22:55,607 --> 00:22:58,409
DALTON: We couldn't tow it with
a vehicle, because it'd be in the shot.
475
00:22:58,577 --> 00:23:00,177
It would be hard
to remove a tow vehicle.
476
00:23:00,345 --> 00:23:02,413
The camera watches it come into frame,
cross frame...
477
00:23:02,581 --> 00:23:04,448
-...and then follow out of frame.
-Roll, please.
478
00:23:04,616 --> 00:23:08,085
DALTON: So we ran about a 600-foot,
half-inch cable through a pulley system...
479
00:23:08,253 --> 00:23:09,754
...run by a hundred-horsepower motor.
480
00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:12,490
The cable car weighs
about 45,000 pounds...
481
00:23:12,657 --> 00:23:14,892
...and had to get going
about 12 miles an hour.
482
00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,729
So you figure what it takes to start
and stop this mass once it's moving...
483
00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:21,832
...and to stop it within one foot
of where our character's supposed to be.
484
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,703
He's supposed to be able to walk, lift his
foot up, step onto it without a pause...
485
00:23:25,871 --> 00:23:28,506
...not catch up to it, not walk back to it.
486
00:23:28,673 --> 00:23:30,808
And then have it take off again
right away.
487
00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:35,513
So, uh, to build that whole system,
just for that sequence...
488
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,014
...was completely unexpected.
489
00:23:37,182 --> 00:23:41,752
I thought, "Well, heck, we'll just
tell the trolley guy to run the trolley car."
490
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,687
Didn't happen.
491
00:23:47,993 --> 00:23:52,329
DOYLE: Back in the spring of 2005,
before Katrina, David came out...
492
00:23:52,497 --> 00:23:55,766
...specifically, to help pick out
what was gonna be our main location.
493
00:24:01,907 --> 00:24:03,707
-Love this.
MAN: Yeah, that's the old style.
494
00:24:03,875 --> 00:24:05,075
-That's what we want.
MAN: Yep.
495
00:24:05,243 --> 00:24:07,411
DOYLE: We looked at examples.
David liked them...
496
00:24:07,579 --> 00:24:11,749
...but there was always
one or two things wrong, and we literally...
497
00:24:11,917 --> 00:24:14,819
...got in our car
and drove around the Garden District.
498
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:19,523
And, you know, he saw two or three houses
that he wanted further investigation.
499
00:24:19,691 --> 00:24:22,693
And one of them was a house
at 2707 Coliseum...
500
00:24:22,861 --> 00:24:24,829
...intersection of 4th and Coliseum.
501
00:24:24,996 --> 00:24:27,898
We went up. We knocked on the door.
There was nothing.
502
00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:30,835
You could see that really,
nobody really lived in that place.
503
00:24:31,002 --> 00:24:33,637
There was furniture, but there were sheets
over all the furniture.
504
00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:36,507
It was our mission to find out
who owned it, how I can get into it...
505
00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:38,542
...at least photograph it,
to see if it'll work.
506
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:40,377
And it ends up being Mrs. Nolan...
507
00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:42,646
...who, through her husband's side
of the family...
508
00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:45,516
...had occupied that house
since the 1870s.
509
00:24:45,684 --> 00:24:48,152
One of the longest contiguous
single-family ownerships...
510
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,154
...of one of the houses
in the Garden District.
511
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:53,390
She was in her 80s and had evacuated
the house because of Katrina...
512
00:24:53,558 --> 00:24:54,925
...and gone to Houston.
513
00:24:55,093 --> 00:24:56,293
So now, we chased her down...
514
00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:58,629
...to her youngest daughter's house
in Houston.
515
00:24:58,797 --> 00:25:01,765
And they were kind of hesitant.
So that's when I went on the Internet...
516
00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:05,135
...found an original edition
of the Jazz series...
517
00:25:05,303 --> 00:25:08,072
...with a special little bookmark
where the "Benjamin Button" story...
518
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,540
...is in the Jazz series.
519
00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:12,209
It was the first edition
and sent it to them.
520
00:25:12,377 --> 00:25:15,179
And that's when Mrs. Nolan
gave me a call...
521
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:18,816
...and said
in a beautiful Southern accent...
522
00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:24,054
...because I believe she was
the Cotton Maid of 1937 out of Mississippi.
523
00:25:24,222 --> 00:25:26,924
Beautiful accent.
Said, "Well, we could talk about this."
524
00:25:27,092 --> 00:25:29,660
So that's what we did.
I got on a plane, flew to Houston.
525
00:25:29,828 --> 00:25:32,429
And we had a great conversation
about what we were trying to do...
526
00:25:32,597 --> 00:25:33,797
...how long it might take...
527
00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:37,468
...and the fact that it's perfect timing,
because she's not there.
528
00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:41,038
And she's got a little soft spot
for Paramount, which helped a lot.
529
00:25:41,206 --> 00:25:44,475
Because she had had a screen test
at Paramount back in the late '30s...
530
00:25:44,643 --> 00:25:47,311
...with Fred MacMurray.
And they had offered her a contract.
531
00:25:47,479 --> 00:25:49,947
And she decided she wasn't cut out
for Hollywood...
532
00:25:50,115 --> 00:25:53,484
...and she wanted to stay in New Orleans
and start a family out there...
533
00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:55,119
...for the betterment of New Orleans.
534
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,556
And in the end, it helped us out as well.
She always had a little soft spot for us.
535
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,391
So that's the layout here.
536
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:01,592
-Okay.
-Okay.
537
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,060
So then back here--
538
00:26:03,228 --> 00:26:06,363
You know, there's always some kind
of activity going on around here.
539
00:26:06,531 --> 00:26:09,233
So even in the background and stuff,
we wanna, as much as possible...
540
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:13,904
...see kids playing, people doing laundry
and stuff over there.
541
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,841
DOYLE: The beautiful part of that house,
literally, 360 degrees around you...
542
00:26:18,009 --> 00:26:21,612
...was all pre-1900, every building.
543
00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:25,449
So all the scenes that you see filmed there,
there's no cheating.
544
00:26:25,617 --> 00:26:28,986
You're in the house, you walk out
the front door onto the porch...
545
00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:32,623
...and everything you see there is real.
546
00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:37,494
BURT: For the Nolan house, what we did,
we built a porch around the back corner.
547
00:26:37,662 --> 00:26:40,064
That would afford us the ability
to go out the side doors...
548
00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:44,401
...and go out onto a porch and have
vistas into the backyard and so forth.
549
00:26:44,569 --> 00:26:46,870
And it had quite a bit of yard space
in the back.
550
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,973
So we were able to build
a servant quarter...
551
00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:52,910
...which is sort of a two-story,
double-gallery home in New Orleans...
552
00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:57,181
...where, in the early days, servants
would often live behind the houses.
553
00:26:57,349 --> 00:26:59,917
And we also built
a exterior kitchen there.
554
00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:04,888
Imagine that this house in that period,
the kitchen would've been outside.
555
00:27:05,056 --> 00:27:09,994
So all the food's prepared here,
and it goes into the warming pantry.
556
00:27:10,161 --> 00:27:14,164
MAN 1:
Background and action.
557
00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:17,301
MAN 2:
For each new morning with its light...
558
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,870
...for rest and shelter of the night....
559
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,506
ZOLFO: My favorite set in the whole film
was the Nolan house...
560
00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:26,210
...because, to me, it's as big a character
as Benjamin.
561
00:27:26,378 --> 00:27:28,812
I was able to think about that set...
562
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,882
...in ways that I've rarely been able
to think about any other.
563
00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:36,320
Because it lives,
it goes through so many transitions.
564
00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,857
And every time we come back
to that house, it's slightly different.
565
00:27:40,025 --> 00:27:43,093
It's just a really fantastic experience
and a lot of fun...
566
00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:45,462
...to sort of take a building
and make it a character...
567
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:50,601
...and make it change and evolve
and get sad and be joyful.
568
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:51,802
MAN:
Here we go.
569
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:53,604
And roll it.
570
00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:56,473
ZOLFO: And clearly, in a movie like this
that's so vast...
571
00:27:56,641 --> 00:27:58,042
...you can't shoot it in sequence.
572
00:27:58,209 --> 00:28:02,980
So it was a constant, you know, jumping
from decade to decade, and era to era.
573
00:28:03,148 --> 00:28:04,748
MAN:
Just so everyone's on the same page.
574
00:28:04,916 --> 00:28:07,818
We do this shot, then we're done
with this area for today.
575
00:28:07,986 --> 00:28:09,853
It will be first up tomorrow.
576
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,823
Let's bring the dark furniture
in a little bit.
577
00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:14,625
ZOLFO:
Logistically, it was tricky.
578
00:28:14,793 --> 00:28:18,295
I mean, we were fortunate
that we had our storage nearby...
579
00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:22,599
...and we sort of had every version
of the house sort of--
580
00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:24,968
We tried to keep it organized
and always be able to:
581
00:28:25,136 --> 00:28:28,205
"Okay, we're doing 36 tomorrow.
Let's bring that in."
582
00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:30,808
MAN:
Okay, stand by for another rehearsal.
583
00:28:31,676 --> 00:28:34,078
-As soon as you hear them clap.
FANNING: Okay.
584
00:28:34,245 --> 00:28:35,379
-And then you-- Okay?
-Okay.
585
00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:36,647
MAN:
Here we go.
586
00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:41,351
MRS. FULLER: Benjamin, might I say
you are looking strikingly youthful.
587
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,588
Grandma! Look at me!
588
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:48,025
MRS. FULLER:
That was really something.
589
00:28:48,193 --> 00:28:50,994
Come over here, you.
590
00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:52,496
MAN 1: Cut it.
MAN 2: Cut.
591
00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:54,565
Can we just see her on the mark, please?
592
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,234
For some reason, the last time
you ran like Charlton Heston.
593
00:28:57,402 --> 00:29:00,070
I have to have you run
a little bit straighter.
594
00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:03,307
WOMAN:
Line up.
595
00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:05,075
Here we go. Back to one. The sun's out.
596
00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:06,977
MAN 3:
Here we go.
597
00:29:07,879 --> 00:29:10,881
Watch this. You think you're so great.
598
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:15,385
Can you do that?
599
00:29:17,288 --> 00:29:18,989
Sweet Jesus. Benjamin. Benjamin!
600
00:29:19,157 --> 00:29:20,524
Get up from there, right now.
601
00:29:20,692 --> 00:29:23,427
You are about
to break your old fool neck.
602
00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:28,031
Usually, if you're playing a character
who ages, you play a small section of it.
603
00:29:28,533 --> 00:29:32,703
Um.... And the very fact that I'm the voice
of Daisy from the age of 6...
604
00:29:32,871 --> 00:29:34,238
...all the way through to 86.
605
00:29:34,405 --> 00:29:36,306
So there's a part of me
in every aspect of her...
606
00:29:36,474 --> 00:29:38,542
...and I pick her up,
I think, when she's 17.
607
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:42,312
That is an incredible, um,
almost impossible opportunity.
608
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,181
So that was the challenge.
609
00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:47,317
And not to shy away
from the intense self-involvement...
610
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:49,019
...the narcissism of youth.
611
00:29:49,187 --> 00:29:51,021
Oh, my God.
I've just been talking and talking.
612
00:29:51,189 --> 00:29:53,023
No, no, I've enjoyed listening.
613
00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:56,627
I found that probably the most
painful part of the film to inhabit...
614
00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:59,596
...because, you know, when I look back
on myself as a teenager...
615
00:29:59,764 --> 00:30:01,165
...particularly now I’m a parent...
616
00:30:01,332 --> 00:30:04,268
...there's something quite abhorrent
and self-involved about it...
617
00:30:04,435 --> 00:30:08,038
...that hopefully you move beyond
as you get older.
618
00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,340
MAN 1: Background.
MAN 2: Background.
619
00:30:10,508 --> 00:30:13,343
BENJAMIN:
And so I went to sea.
620
00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:17,581
HARRIS: It was a little bizarre, because
I'd tell my friends back home and my wife:
621
00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:20,217
"I'm working with Brad Pitt." You know?
622
00:30:20,385 --> 00:30:22,553
And then it was like,
"How was it with Brad today?"
623
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,423
"No, he wasn't there. It was this guy
Robert with a blue hood on his head."
624
00:30:26,591 --> 00:30:30,394
Did I ever tell you I was struck
by lightning seven times?
625
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:31,929
-Stop.
MAN: Okay.
626
00:30:33,431 --> 00:30:36,099
MIKE: So Jared, not quite at the eye line
that you gave me.
627
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:38,468
You're looking at him,
he stands up, look at his face...
628
00:30:38,636 --> 00:30:42,039
...then look at his feet,
then look back at him, like, "What?"
629
00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:44,241
HARRIS:
The tugboat, it was called the Jupiter.
630
00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:48,078
But I think David found out
that I was a Manchester United fan...
631
00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:51,148
...so he changed the boat
to the Chelsea.
632
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:53,717
Just to wind me up.
633
00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:57,187
Anybody wanna make $2
for a day's work around here?
634
00:30:57,355 --> 00:30:59,489
-Nobody wants a job?
BENJAMIN: I do.
635
00:31:03,561 --> 00:31:05,495
You got your sea legs about you,
old man?
636
00:31:05,663 --> 00:31:06,964
I do.
637
00:31:07,131 --> 00:31:08,365
I think.
638
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,569
DOYLE: We shot the tugboat early on,
maybe week one or two in Morgan City.
639
00:31:12,737 --> 00:31:17,474
Meanwhile, Don Burt and his crew were
back here building enormous sets at Sony.
640
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:56,613
DALTON: The ship was 90 feet long,
almost 30 feet wide.
641
00:31:56,781 --> 00:31:58,015
It's 20 feet in the air...
642
00:31:58,182 --> 00:32:01,251
...by the time you build the base
and have it above the trunnion.
643
00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:06,023
It's built into a tank that's 20 feet deep.
It weighs about 140,000 pounds...
644
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,625
...above the trunnion, not the base,
just the actual ship.
645
00:32:09,227 --> 00:32:13,797
That was like a movie in itself,
just building this entire structure.
646
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:27,144
MAN:
Cut, cut. Go it again.
647
00:32:27,312 --> 00:32:30,547
Hey, Burt, do one with you
panning around in the gunfire.
648
00:32:30,715 --> 00:32:32,916
FINCHER: Do one where the light's
panned on to him more.
649
00:32:33,084 --> 00:32:34,284
MAN: Yeah, yeah.
FINCHER: Okay.
650
00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:37,154
And do one more.
You have to pan the light over.
651
00:32:37,322 --> 00:32:40,023
DALTON: It has to do a multitude of
things. It had to be lazy...
652
00:32:40,191 --> 00:32:41,291
...on the Mississippi River.
653
00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:44,294
It had to be able to pitch and roll
as if it was on the ocean.
654
00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:47,631
It had to be able to pitch, roll and heave
as if it there was heavier seas.
655
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,466
And ultimately, when it crashes...
656
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:53,537
...it actually has to be able to hit the
submarine and ride up out of the water...
657
00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:55,105
...without the stern of the ship...
658
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:58,141
...dipping below the surface of the water,
because it wouldn't look real.
659
00:32:58,309 --> 00:33:01,545
The stern of the ship wouldn't just drop
below the surface if the front goes up.
660
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:06,683
The bow of the ship would rise up
about 20 feet...
661
00:33:06,851 --> 00:33:08,652
...so we were doing
about a meter a second...
662
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,388
...with our lead actor on the bow,
at maximum height.
663
00:33:11,556 --> 00:33:13,323
He's 40 feet from the concrete below.
664
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:17,494
You're really concerned
about safety, function and realism.
665
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:21,965
Finally, we're making a movie
with a theme-park ride, finally.
666
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:24,968
And all the interiors for the tugboats
were separate sets.
667
00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:29,439
The galley, the bunk area, the wheel house,
all those were separate sets.
668
00:33:29,607 --> 00:33:31,641
And those were all on gimbals as well.
669
00:33:31,809 --> 00:33:34,444
So that we could replicate
the movement of the boat.
670
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:37,514
ZOLFO:
Most directors aren't like Fincher.
671
00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:43,487
Fincher thinks about every prop,
every piece of dressing, every flit of hair.
672
00:33:43,654 --> 00:33:47,157
You don't get that with most directors.
Most directors look at the big picture.
673
00:33:47,325 --> 00:33:50,293
When you give them a set,
it's either working for them or it isn't.
674
00:33:50,461 --> 00:33:54,965
And David is looking at what's written in
the notebook or what the palette is doing.
675
00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:57,467
And while all those things are usually...
676
00:33:57,635 --> 00:34:00,837
...something a good Art Department and
a good production designer will control...
677
00:34:01,005 --> 00:34:03,273
...and a director will never even notice...
678
00:34:03,441 --> 00:34:06,043
...David Fincher is not that guy.
679
00:34:06,444 --> 00:34:07,544
Cut it.
680
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:08,979
MAN: Cut.
WOMAN: Cut.
681
00:34:09,147 --> 00:34:11,615
ORMOND: What is extraordinary
about him, from my perspective...
682
00:34:11,783 --> 00:34:15,452
...is that when somebody has
a particular leaning as a director...
683
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:19,289
...that usually takes away
from another aspect of them as a director.
684
00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:22,559
If they're very technically minded...
685
00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:25,595
...they'll be at the monitor,
they'll never come out from it.
686
00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:30,367
They're not so focused on the acting,
or that's not their strength.
687
00:34:30,535 --> 00:34:33,437
Or, not that it's not their strength,
it's not their interest.
688
00:34:33,604 --> 00:34:34,704
MAN:
Action.
689
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:38,341
FINCHER: I think he is 40 percent left,
40 percent on that frame left.
690
00:34:38,709 --> 00:34:40,043
And then as the car pulls in--
691
00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:44,815
ORMOND: So for me, what was amazing
about him and also slightly alarming...
692
00:34:44,982 --> 00:34:48,018
...was that he kind of-- He has all of it.
693
00:34:48,186 --> 00:34:50,654
He's not afraid
to continue to challenge you.
694
00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:52,589
He has very specific ideas.
695
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,692
FINCHER: Can we do one more pick-up?
MAN: Okay, cut, reset, straight away.
696
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:57,561
All right, once again. Here we go.
697
00:34:57,728 --> 00:35:00,597
FLEMYNG: People are frightened of him.
I think he's got a reputation for:
698
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,633
"If you're not really brilliant at what you do,
you will be found out...
699
00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:06,570
...and I will rip you to shreds." You know:
700
00:35:06,737 --> 00:35:08,872
"Take all your clothes off
and beat you with a stick."
701
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,241
I think that's unfair.
I didn't really see that happen.
702
00:35:11,409 --> 00:35:12,576
But he knows what he's doing.
703
00:35:12,743 --> 00:35:15,745
You can't pull the wool over his eyes.
And he's quite direct.
704
00:35:15,913 --> 00:35:16,947
Thank God.
705
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,583
If someone says they can't do it,
he'll go, "Well, why?"
706
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:21,852
And that can be unnerving, you know.
707
00:35:22,019 --> 00:35:24,221
Turn and let me see your look.
708
00:35:24,388 --> 00:35:26,156
Okay, step in back.
709
00:35:26,324 --> 00:35:28,125
Okay, slide three inches
to your right.
710
00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:29,459
Do you want me to go further?
711
00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:32,562
FINCHER:
No, no, a little bit more left, if anything.
712
00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:35,732
BLANCHETT:
The thing that David has in spades is rigor.
713
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,400
You know, he's a perfectionist.
714
00:35:37,568 --> 00:35:39,503
But not for its own sake.
715
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:42,806
My manager warned me.
My agent warned me.
716
00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:47,777
I heard other actors tell me, "Man, David
does, man, 40 takes just to open a door."
717
00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:50,914
I'm going, "Wow, really?"
And I’m kind of getting a little nervous.
718
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:54,885
I was coming down some steps,
and the shot was just on my feet.
719
00:35:55,052 --> 00:35:56,686
We did that at least 20 times.
720
00:35:56,854 --> 00:35:59,623
I'm just going down the stairs.
"Nope," going down, "Nope.
721
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:02,025
Not that kind of step,
more this kind of step.
722
00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:03,360
Try it like this."
723
00:36:03,528 --> 00:36:05,996
And I’m going,
wow, like, this is really specific...
724
00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:09,733
...but I got it, because he's telling the story
even down to the feet.
725
00:36:09,901 --> 00:36:12,135
I think the bench has to go camera left
a little bit.
726
00:36:12,303 --> 00:36:13,737
Greg, six inches, camera left.
727
00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:16,173
Camera left on the bench,
six inches, please.
728
00:36:24,415 --> 00:36:27,517
MOHADI: I didn't count most of the time
how many takes I'm taking.
729
00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:31,755
He's the director, he knows what he wants.
If you don't give it to him....
730
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:37,194
Then, you know, if it means
that he drills it out of you, then why not?
731
00:36:37,962 --> 00:36:40,830
MIKE:
You gotta be what you're meant to be.
732
00:36:41,132 --> 00:36:45,168
And I happen to be
a goddamned artist.
733
00:36:45,336 --> 00:36:46,903
You're a tugboat captain.
734
00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:50,440
I've done lots of independent films,
and you get three takes or something.
735
00:36:50,608 --> 00:36:53,443
Barely. In fact, you hardly can afford
to do one take.
736
00:36:53,611 --> 00:36:55,979
You know,
on some of these things, now.
737
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,684
So I loved it.
738
00:37:00,851 --> 00:37:02,852
You don't get to act that often
as an actor.
739
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:04,754
You know,
most of the time you spend waiting.
740
00:37:04,922 --> 00:37:07,557
I loved the amount of time,
the amount of takes.
741
00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:10,193
He'd let you go until you felt
that you were happy...
742
00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:12,596
...he was happy, you know. I loved it.
743
00:37:12,763 --> 00:37:16,132
Most times, in film, you get your takes,
and you go away, and it's like:
744
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:18,935
"I wish I could have tried it this way."
745
00:37:19,103 --> 00:37:23,506
But with David, you have enough time
to try it as many ways possible.
746
00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:26,910
Finch lets you go
through the whole gamut, like, so--
747
00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,746
If it's like, you know, "you're my son,"
it goes from--
748
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:32,449
It would go--
We did, like, 30 takes and....
749
00:37:32,617 --> 00:37:34,384
Using it as an example of the scenes...
750
00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:36,486
...but I’d be like, "You're my son!"...
751
00:37:36,654 --> 00:37:37,854
...all the way down to:
752
00:37:38,022 --> 00:37:39,122
[WHISPERING]
"You're my son."
753
00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:43,059
[IN NORMAL VOICE] And the whole arch
that that takes you through.
754
00:37:43,394 --> 00:37:45,462
So you get to try it in every single way.
755
00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:47,731
And then Finch just takes the 35th take...
756
00:37:47,898 --> 00:37:50,834
...which was the simple one, which you
should have done in the first place.
757
00:37:51,002 --> 00:37:53,703
But he kind of lets you exercise
your need to act.
758
00:37:53,871 --> 00:37:56,306
So, Taraj, you can go a teeny bit slower.
759
00:37:56,474 --> 00:37:57,641
HENSON: Slower?
FINCHER: Yeah.
760
00:37:57,808 --> 00:37:59,709
HENSON: Okay.
FINCHER: Eight-tenths of a percent.
761
00:37:59,877 --> 00:38:02,412
MAN 1: We are rolling.
MAN 2: You do the math.
762
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:04,781
FINCHER:
And action.
763
00:38:10,087 --> 00:38:11,655
No, no.
764
00:38:11,822 --> 00:38:13,957
She really gets up ahead of speed.
765
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,726
And the sun came out.
Okay, here we go one more time.
766
00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,662
Uh, TJ, you left a little bit early.
767
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:21,031
Let him get a little bit over
to the pile of leaves.
768
00:38:21,198 --> 00:38:22,832
-Let him go another 10 feet.
HENSON: Okay.
769
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,602
FINCHER: Okay, here we go.
MAN: Rolling.
770
00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:28,405
MAN:
Okay, we lost her there.
771
00:38:28,572 --> 00:38:31,041
FINCHER: Cut it.
-I’m being called into the principal's office.
772
00:38:31,208 --> 00:38:33,443
Come. Now, what is that?
773
00:38:33,611 --> 00:38:35,178
Aah! Heh, heh, heh.
774
00:38:37,782 --> 00:38:39,115
FINCHER:
That's pretty good.
775
00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:41,551
I'll take that one. We can do better.
Here we go.
776
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,187
-Once again.
HENSON: Teamwork.
777
00:38:45,189 --> 00:38:50,760
CANNOM: We did two weeks of makeup
tests with Taraji and Elle and Cate and Brad.
778
00:38:50,928 --> 00:38:52,762
That's one thing you have to do
with makeup...
779
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:56,032
...which was so nice on this,
is they gave us time to test.
780
00:39:00,037 --> 00:39:03,440
HENSON: They started telling horror stories
about these big muscle guys that came.
781
00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:06,843
And they would pour the molding over,
and they would start to panic and shake.
782
00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:08,745
They would have to take them
out of the mold.
783
00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:11,715
And I said, "You know,
I really just wanna do this process once...
784
00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:14,484
...so I’m gonna be really still.
785
00:39:14,652 --> 00:39:18,321
If I start to panic, I will just find a way
to work through it."
786
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:23,526
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]
787
00:39:25,663 --> 00:39:27,764
FLEMYNG:
If you're not really a Method actor...
788
00:39:27,932 --> 00:39:31,368
...to really transform through makeup
and costume and hair...
789
00:39:31,535 --> 00:39:33,470
...is really good fun to do.
790
00:39:33,637 --> 00:39:35,939
I had, like, I think it was eight
prosthetic pieces...
791
00:39:36,107 --> 00:39:38,241
...but over the patch, what was it,
with eight pieces.
792
00:39:38,409 --> 00:39:43,646
And Finch comes to the test,
and he'd be like, "Yeah.
793
00:39:43,814 --> 00:39:46,916
The forehead is kind of
ridiculous, though." And I was like:
794
00:39:47,084 --> 00:39:50,320
"That's my forehead,"
and he was like, "What?"
795
00:39:50,488 --> 00:39:54,424
"That's the only bit that's actually me."
And he'd be like, "Oh, okay."
796
00:39:56,894 --> 00:39:59,662
It's just this chin. It's not bad.
797
00:39:59,830 --> 00:40:02,699
-It’s more-- I’m, like, spongy.
-A little bit, yeah.
798
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:07,003
CANNOM: We take Brad over at 62,
and that was the full silicone makeup...
799
00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:09,806
...with the transfer forehead
and upper lip.
800
00:40:09,974 --> 00:40:12,942
I did him at that stage,
and then I did 58...
801
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:17,580
...and then down to 56 and 52 and 48.
802
00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:21,050
I did him down to about 45.
And at that stage...
803
00:40:21,218 --> 00:40:24,254
...I was just doing a little stipple
here and there, just slightly age him...
804
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,590
...which is where you take the skin
and put on the aging rubber...
805
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,794
...and you powder it, and it creates wrinkles
in their own skin.
806
00:40:30,961 --> 00:40:34,197
To take all of those stages
and make them work together...
807
00:40:34,365 --> 00:40:37,467
...the little differences you have to do
with the coloring and matching...
808
00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:42,172
...and the age-spots matching every day.
It's insane.
809
00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:46,075
Each character has its own reality.
810
00:40:46,243 --> 00:40:47,944
As long everyone's part of that reality...
811
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,180
-...that's what you buy, I think.
MAN: Right.
812
00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:52,148
CANNOM:
Cate, she ages the most.
813
00:40:52,316 --> 00:40:55,018
We took her from the 40s to 85...
814
00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:57,787
...and the 85 makeup was very difficult...
815
00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:59,856
...because it's 14 appliances.
816
00:41:00,024 --> 00:41:02,659
And the transfer on that forehead
covered her eyebrows...
817
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:05,862
...because we thought
it looked really good without eyebrows...
818
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:09,866
...because we really want her
to look sickly at that point.
819
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:20,109
She has these incredible cheekbones.
They're just amazing...
820
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:22,946
...and it's the hardest age makeup
I have ever done in my life...
821
00:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,148
...because you can't put age into them.
822
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:27,083
If I tried putting any lines into it...
823
00:41:27,251 --> 00:41:28,518
...it just looked ridiculous.
824
00:41:28,686 --> 00:41:31,120
So I ended up basically
keeping them the same...
825
00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:34,791
...and trying to put all the age down
around the mouth and into the neck.
826
00:41:34,959 --> 00:41:38,828
And I think I would go there anyway.
That's my stretch mark there.
827
00:41:38,996 --> 00:41:41,397
CANNOM: The great thing about Cate,
she's so professional...
828
00:41:41,565 --> 00:41:46,536
...that she's like, "Can we put more lines
in here, so I look sadder, you know...
829
00:41:46,704 --> 00:41:47,804
...and more wrinkles?"
830
00:41:47,972 --> 00:41:49,372
If someone's wearing a bad wig...
831
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:51,708
...or they have terrible makeup,
prosthetic pieces...
832
00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:54,511
...you don't believe a single thing
that comes out of their mouth.
833
00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:57,413
-And this film is about life.
MAN: Roll. Rolling, rolling.
834
00:41:57,581 --> 00:42:03,019
You go on the journey of a man
from his strange birth to his death.
835
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:06,289
And you need to know
that the parallel physical aging process...
836
00:42:06,457 --> 00:42:10,126
...that's being done by the makeup artists
is as great as Brad's performances...
837
00:42:10,294 --> 00:42:12,228
...which it absolutely was.
838
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:18,368
DALTON: In the film,
a scene takes place in Paris...
839
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,670
...and the closest thing
that looked like Paris...
840
00:42:20,838 --> 00:42:25,008
...that Location Department
could find was Montreal.
841
00:42:25,175 --> 00:42:28,044
MAN:
Ready and action!
842
00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:32,649
DOYLE: Shooting it in Paris, one, is
expensive because of the Euro is killing us.
843
00:42:32,816 --> 00:42:34,584
And, two, logistically, it's difficult.
844
00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:38,922
It makes shooting in downtown Manhattan
seem easy in a lot of ways.
845
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:41,424
Our scope,
or how much control we needed...
846
00:42:41,592 --> 00:42:43,960
...we're talking cars, it's the costumes,
it's people...
847
00:42:44,128 --> 00:42:47,964
...it's closing down blocks and blocks
of sections of Old Montreal...
848
00:42:48,132 --> 00:42:50,033
...which is much tighter
than the French Quarter.
849
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,335
Not something the city was real keen
to doing...
850
00:42:52,503 --> 00:42:55,371
...but assisted in any way,
shape or form that they could.
851
00:42:55,673 --> 00:42:59,576
But we needed a lot of people and
a decent amount of money to pull it off.
852
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:04,380
To me, it reinforced how much easier
I had it in the French Quarter after Katrina.
853
00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:07,317
Because here, a place was untouched
by any disaster.
854
00:43:07,484 --> 00:43:11,020
It was just as dense,
and I needed just as much control.
855
00:43:11,188 --> 00:43:12,589
I think we shot eight days there...
856
00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:15,391
...and I, personally, was there prepping
for almost two months.
857
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,362
Other than that, wonderful people,
and it looked beautiful...
858
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:22,031
...and they were all happy to see us go.
859
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,666
[LAUGHS]
860
00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:28,571
DALTON: And in the Russian sequence,
it was supposed to be snowing.
861
00:43:28,739 --> 00:43:32,375
So great, we're gonna be in Montreal.
It's cold in Montreal. So we fly up there...
862
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:35,645
...and realize that we're gonna be shooting
in the tourist part of the town...
863
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:37,213
...the old part of town.
864
00:43:37,381 --> 00:43:42,318
That you can't do anything to the town,
because of, you know, pollution...
865
00:43:42,486 --> 00:43:46,089
...or residual or any effect
it might have on the downtown area.
866
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:49,559
So the normal paper products or some
of the foam product we would use...
867
00:43:49,727 --> 00:43:53,463
...that expedite all this, that you can make
this happen quicker, can't be done.
868
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,232
So we did the entire thing
in real crushed ice...
869
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,935
...some foam that we were allowed to use
in background sequences.
870
00:43:59,103 --> 00:44:01,504
And some poly product
that we could put along the sills...
871
00:44:01,672 --> 00:44:05,274
...as long as we vacuumed it all up,
so none of it got into the drain system.
872
00:44:05,442 --> 00:44:08,711
MAN: That's what I'm saying. Don't.
Go back to base, and we'll talk to Brad.
873
00:44:08,879 --> 00:44:12,148
See how things are going.
Give me half an hour. It’s 7:15.
874
00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:16,352
Just trust me, it would be the best
for both of us.
875
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,389
DALTON: That was daunting, we have to
bring in hundreds of tons of ice...
876
00:44:19,556 --> 00:44:22,692
...and crush it and place it
in multiple locations on the same day.
877
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,628
And then, when we actually go
to film the sequence...
878
00:44:25,796 --> 00:44:28,564
...we have all the manpower in place,
truckload after truckload...
879
00:44:28,732 --> 00:44:31,701
...a 40-foot truckload of ice trucks,
three ice-grinding machines...
880
00:44:31,869 --> 00:44:37,240
...double crews. It’s in May, and it's
90-something degrees in the daytime.
881
00:44:37,408 --> 00:44:38,608
It's 70-something at night.
882
00:44:38,776 --> 00:44:40,877
It's T-shirt weather at night
in Montreal in May.
883
00:44:41,045 --> 00:44:45,381
And the ice is melting, so we constantly,
between takes, have to refresh the ice.
884
00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:47,884
Refresh the ice, grind more, grind more.
885
00:44:48,052 --> 00:44:50,086
As it's melting away,
you're trying to cover it up.
886
00:44:50,254 --> 00:44:51,587
David's trying to jokingly say:
887
00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:54,991
"World's most expensive wet-down.
Hey, Burt, why is your ice melting?"
888
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:56,726
Well, it's hot, that's why.
889
00:44:57,628 --> 00:45:00,430
MAN 1: It’s Murmansk, Russia
at 4:00 in the morning.
890
00:45:00,597 --> 00:45:01,731
MAN 2:
Hey, guys!
891
00:45:01,899 --> 00:45:03,366
Clear, get out of the shot!
892
00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:07,970
BURT: The Winter Palace Hotel, the exterior,
we actually filmed that in Montreal...
893
00:45:08,138 --> 00:45:09,172
...in the old city.
894
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:11,674
And then,
we used that exterior as a template...
895
00:45:11,842 --> 00:45:14,844
...for an interior
built here in Los Angeles.
896
00:45:15,012 --> 00:45:18,214
With a working elevator and a dining room,
and a kitchen and a bar.
897
00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:21,217
MAN 1: Where did Brad go?
MAN 2: Well, you've already done the....
898
00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:22,418
MAN 1:
No, I understand.
899
00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:24,320
DALTON:
They're exposed, practical elevators.
900
00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:26,656
They were designed
and built by the Art Department...
901
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:28,825
...but the function, that's our job.
902
00:45:28,992 --> 00:45:31,427
There's a lot of dialogue,
so they had to run quietly...
903
00:45:31,595 --> 00:45:33,229
...they had to run at the speed
we wanted.
904
00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:37,500
Let's say the dialogue is going on, and it's
ending on the wrong word by half a second.
905
00:45:38,535 --> 00:45:42,638
Reprogram it to be a half a second faster,
half a second slower.
906
00:45:42,873 --> 00:45:49,212
ZOLFO: The hotel needed to be a place
of former glamour, a place stuck in time...
907
00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:54,417
...much like Elizabeth Abbot,
but still romantic and melancholy...
908
00:45:54,585 --> 00:46:00,656
...and appropriate as a place for Benjamin
to have his first serious love affair...
909
00:46:00,824 --> 00:46:04,327
...with an older woman who thought
she was with an older man.
910
00:46:04,495 --> 00:46:08,030
Two, we're gonna go right from you sitting,
and then dissolve, and you'll be asleep.
911
00:46:08,198 --> 00:46:09,532
-I think so, right?
FINCHER: Okay.
912
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:11,033
-That's fine.
-Was that too Se7en?
913
00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:14,370
No, I think it should be something
that can evolve in a dissolve into:
914
00:46:14,538 --> 00:46:15,571
[IMITATES SNORING]
915
00:46:15,739 --> 00:46:17,240
MAN: Slouch over, thinking.
PITT: Yeah.
916
00:46:17,407 --> 00:46:18,941
MAN:
We can dissolve, you'll be asleep.
917
00:46:19,209 --> 00:46:20,543
-You know what I mean?
-All right.
918
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:24,947
-Just gotta have some screen direction to it.
-Fantastic. Amazing.
919
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:27,683
PITT:
The ways one works.
920
00:46:27,851 --> 00:46:30,787
ZOLFO: In order to create a believable
environment for the actors...
921
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,955
...I like to take closets...
922
00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:36,659
...and drawers and rooms
that are sort of on the set...
923
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:40,429
...but not intended to be played
any action in and finish them...
924
00:46:40,597 --> 00:46:43,599
...so that we could be
in Los Angeles at Sony...
925
00:46:43,767 --> 00:46:49,639
...on stage and still have this vibe
of this romantic, lost-in-time...
926
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:53,442
...small little hotel in northern Russia.
927
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:55,511
It's not a matter of overdressing.
928
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,247
It's sort of a matter
Of just really wanting to walk away...
929
00:46:58,415 --> 00:47:02,985
...and say, "When they're in there,
they're in the Winter Palace Hotel."
930
00:47:07,925 --> 00:47:10,159
MAN 1: And crazy Irish rant.
MAN 2: Check his hair.
931
00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:12,528
MAN 3: Rip van Einstein.
MAN 4: Looks like it's on fire.
932
00:47:12,696 --> 00:47:13,763
WOMAN:
Rocky.
933
00:47:13,931 --> 00:47:14,964
[PEOPLE CHUCKLING]
934
00:47:15,132 --> 00:47:17,166
MAN 5: Like Barbara Bush.
MAN 6: Let's go with it.
935
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:20,002
BLANCHETT: The thing I found fascinating
about shooting digitally...
936
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:23,973
...which I hadn't done before is that you
develop a different performance rhythm.
937
00:47:24,141 --> 00:47:27,310
I think I'd been used to the celluloid rhythm,
where you do a take or two...
938
00:47:27,477 --> 00:47:29,345
...you stop to reload,
the actors decompress.
939
00:47:29,513 --> 00:47:31,781
They go back to their trailer,
because it's gonna be--
940
00:47:31,949 --> 00:47:33,983
You know, there's a malfunction
with the camera.
941
00:47:34,151 --> 00:47:36,686
Whereas, once you were on set
with this film...
942
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,855
...you stayed there the whole time,
which meant--
943
00:47:39,022 --> 00:47:40,623
It was more like a theater rehearsal.
944
00:47:40,791 --> 00:47:43,025
And oftentimes we would shoot
the rehearsals.
945
00:47:43,193 --> 00:47:46,629
So it wasn't necessarily
that we did take after take after take.
946
00:47:46,797 --> 00:47:50,399
It's just that we harnessed the rehearsal
time into the performance time.
947
00:47:50,567 --> 00:47:51,868
DAISY:
I want this.
948
00:47:52,035 --> 00:47:54,103
I want it with you.
949
00:47:55,172 --> 00:47:57,240
And I won't deny you that.
950
00:47:57,474 --> 00:47:59,475
[PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
951
00:48:01,979 --> 00:48:04,914
FINCHER: We had been talking about doing
Benjamin Button long before Babel.
952
00:48:05,082 --> 00:48:06,515
And actually before The Fountain...
953
00:48:06,683 --> 00:48:09,218
...because Cate was originally
gonna do The Fountain with Brad...
954
00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:11,354
...until, you know, as my movie
would fall apart--
955
00:48:11,521 --> 00:48:14,223
You know, somebody would say,
"Hey, did you hear?
956
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:16,225
Brad's doing this movie
with Darren Aronofsky."
957
00:48:16,393 --> 00:48:18,394
"Oh, great," you know.
"Yeah, with Cate Blanchett."
958
00:48:18,562 --> 00:48:19,595
I'd be like:
959
00:48:19,763 --> 00:48:20,796
[GROANS]
960
00:48:20,964 --> 00:48:23,799
And, uh, then that would fall apart.
961
00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:30,039
I'm sorry about that, Darren, and I’m--
But gleefully.
962
00:48:30,674 --> 00:48:33,109
And then came Babel.
963
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:35,711
Which when I saw I didn't think
was treading anywhere...
964
00:48:35,879 --> 00:48:37,380
...in the area of Benjamin Button.
965
00:48:37,547 --> 00:48:41,384
It's like, that's not just the problem.
It's also this and this and this.
966
00:48:41,551 --> 00:48:45,454
FINCHER: The rapport that they have
was very much like siblings.
967
00:48:45,622 --> 00:48:48,457
Well, he's totally juvenile,
which is, of course, why we get along.
968
00:48:48,625 --> 00:48:53,296
And she is so prepared and thoughtful,
and she's taking notes...
969
00:48:53,463 --> 00:48:56,132
...and she's done this and that,
so they're wonderful together.
970
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:58,267
You know, they're just so easy.
971
00:48:58,435 --> 00:49:00,670
You don't turn his opinion of it.
972
00:49:00,837 --> 00:49:03,639
It's just: "If we're gonna acknowledge it,
let's acknowledge it.
973
00:49:03,807 --> 00:49:05,541
Here's the thing.
Scares the shit out of me.
974
00:49:05,709 --> 00:49:07,443
I don't wanna create my own babysitter.
975
00:49:07,611 --> 00:49:10,112
I don't wanna be a burden
for somebody else."
976
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,682
Isn't that what it is?
It's an elaboration on that thought.
977
00:49:12,849 --> 00:49:15,384
FINCHER: I think that we're all--
"I'm going a different way"...
978
00:49:15,552 --> 00:49:18,154
...can be the thing that leads into,
"We all end up in diapers."
979
00:49:18,322 --> 00:49:20,656
-Doesn't matter which direction you go.
MAN: Yeah.
980
00:49:21,558 --> 00:49:22,591
We all end up in diapers.
981
00:49:22,759 --> 00:49:25,061
No. How do I not become a burden to us?
982
00:49:25,228 --> 00:49:28,331
FINCHER:
The feeling-out process was way over.
983
00:49:28,498 --> 00:49:31,334
So in that way, I was glad
that they were in Babel even if....
984
00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:36,539
It was kind of the pairing of them
was really my idea.
985
00:49:36,707 --> 00:49:39,575
MAN 1: And roll, please. We're rolling.
MAN 2: Rolling.
986
00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:45,648
FINCHER: In between my movies with Brad,
I forget how stupid the world is around...
987
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:47,216
...and about him.
988
00:49:47,384 --> 00:49:50,119
I guess, because I know
how uncomfortable it makes him.
989
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:53,756
I guess, I just sort of hope
that it's receding...
990
00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:55,558
...or in some way diminishing...
991
00:49:55,726 --> 00:49:59,528
...because it certainly doesn't make his life
any easier or any more enjoyable.
992
00:49:59,696 --> 00:50:01,130
And then door opens, ba-boom.
993
00:50:01,298 --> 00:50:03,632
We were shooting this commercial
in downtown L.A...
994
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,635
...it's the middle of the night,
and we'd shut down most of the street.
995
00:50:06,803 --> 00:50:10,306
And I was talking to Brad,
as he sort of stepped off this curb...
996
00:50:10,474 --> 00:50:14,643
...and these two women who were walking
were intense in their conversations.
997
00:50:14,811 --> 00:50:16,879
They realized they were about to run
into somebody...
998
00:50:17,047 --> 00:50:19,015
...and they both turned,
and they looked at him...
999
00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:22,952
...and they both drop to their knees,
screaming.
1000
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,121
[CHUCKLING]
1001
00:50:26,289 --> 00:50:27,990
And he sort of, like, reached--
1002
00:50:28,158 --> 00:50:30,526
Like, I think he thought he had tripped them
or something.
1003
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:33,362
And he sort of reached over
to touch them...
1004
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:36,899
...and they both sort of recoiled from him,
screaming.
1005
00:50:37,067 --> 00:50:39,268
And then they got up,
and then they stood there...
1006
00:50:39,436 --> 00:50:40,870
...unable to move, screaming.
1007
00:50:41,371 --> 00:50:44,140
These weren't, like, 17-year-olds.
These were, like, you know...
1008
00:50:44,307 --> 00:50:46,442
...late 20s, early 30s.
1009
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:48,044
Okay, here we go once again.
1010
00:50:48,211 --> 00:50:53,616
These are responsible adults.
Like, these are not, and it was, it was ju--
1011
00:50:55,018 --> 00:50:56,719
It was horrible.
1012
00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:58,320
Cut, very nice.
1013
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:04,827
Camera right.
1014
00:51:05,095 --> 00:51:06,395
Keep going.
1015
00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:08,497
There you go. I need somebody there.
1016
00:51:08,665 --> 00:51:11,233
And action.
1017
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:18,107
FINCHER: Cate is so stunning to look at
that you can literally lose minutes...
1018
00:51:18,275 --> 00:51:19,742
...where you just find yourself:
1019
00:51:20,877 --> 00:51:22,511
"Oh, I’m sorry. I came to your trailer...
1020
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:24,880
...and I was gonna talk to you
about this thing.
1021
00:51:25,048 --> 00:51:26,916
I can't remember what it is,
so I’ll come back."
1022
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:30,386
You literally lose moments of your life
where you're just sort of:
1023
00:51:30,987 --> 00:51:33,122
FINCHER: You guys speed?
MAN: Yes.
1024
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:36,092
FINCHER:
And action.
1025
00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:41,330
[WHISPERING]
But I think it's a girl.
1026
00:51:51,675 --> 00:51:54,009
FINCHER:
And cut. Very nice.
1027
00:51:54,177 --> 00:51:57,613
So Cate, do you think--? So it doesn't--
I guess it doesn't bum you out at all...
1028
00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:00,216
...that he doesn't chime in with like:
1029
00:52:00,383 --> 00:52:03,319
"Yeah, that's great." No, I guess not.
You're just riding--
1030
00:52:03,487 --> 00:52:05,688
-Because the next scene is--
-We're getting to the next.
1031
00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:08,824
I know. In the next scene,
you're gonna say, "I'm not gonna--
1032
00:52:08,992 --> 00:52:11,193
I want this more than anything."
1033
00:52:11,361 --> 00:52:15,764
So I wish I could have reservations
about it, but I don't have any.
1034
00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:18,234
-You know what I mean?
-No. I think I do.
1035
00:52:18,401 --> 00:52:19,435
FINCHER:
Yeah.
1036
00:52:19,603 --> 00:52:22,838
It's just I think there's so many beats
where I could play.
1037
00:52:23,006 --> 00:52:27,743
And there's so many of these little vignettes
where it's, like, it takes some time to--
1038
00:52:27,911 --> 00:52:30,446
FINCHER: No, I’m not looking for that.
I kind of like the idea...
1039
00:52:30,614 --> 00:52:36,886
...that you are so on top of the wave
that maybe you don't even sense his--
1040
00:52:37,053 --> 00:52:39,955
PITT: Sense and try to bring him--
BLANCHETT: Back.
1041
00:52:40,123 --> 00:52:41,590
FINCHER: Yeah.
-Try to bring him back.
1042
00:52:41,758 --> 00:52:43,893
I see what he's looking at.
And then I say, "Come on."
1043
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:45,928
Then what happens
is over a course of months...
1044
00:52:46,096 --> 00:52:48,364
...this continues on.
1045
00:52:48,532 --> 00:52:51,767
So then we have to have dinner and say,
"Okay, what's the problem?"
1046
00:52:51,935 --> 00:52:53,469
FINCHER: Yeah.
-I can deal with that.
1047
00:52:53,637 --> 00:52:57,239
FINCHER: So the dining sequence, though,
is shortly hereafter...
1048
00:52:57,407 --> 00:53:01,777
...maybe a week later or something,
and it's....
1049
00:53:02,579 --> 00:53:05,247
I don't think that it's, "Okay, wait a minute.
What's the deal?"
1050
00:53:05,415 --> 00:53:08,050
It's, "I can see that you're troubled."
1051
00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:12,221
And he says, "Oh, believe me,
I am not trying to hide it at all."
1052
00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:16,525
And you say, "I got enough enthusiasm,
and I want this enough for both of us.
1053
00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:19,128
BLANCHETT: Yeah.
-So I'm sorry if--
1054
00:53:19,296 --> 00:53:23,999
I'm sorry if I can't kind of see it
as a glass half-empty, like--"
1055
00:53:24,167 --> 00:53:28,103
Because the very fact that I’m looking
at what he's looking at...
1056
00:53:28,271 --> 00:53:32,575
...means
that I'm registering the problem.
1057
00:53:32,742 --> 00:53:35,978
FINCHER: But I also think you can see it
in two different ways which is:
1058
00:53:36,146 --> 00:53:37,746
"Sometimes it's wonderful
to do things...
1059
00:53:37,914 --> 00:53:39,882
...that you're not necessarily
comfortable with...
1060
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:43,819
...because they show you
great new things."
1061
00:53:43,987 --> 00:53:49,291
So I look across the aisle and I go,
"That's gonna be great for you."
1062
00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:52,027
-That'll be great for you.
BLANCHETT: And I think like we say--
1063
00:53:52,195 --> 00:53:55,931
The power of my positivity is that
I can just drag him along.
1064
00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:59,368
FINCHER: Yeah. Yeah.
-In the diner scene it's not my kind--
1065
00:53:59,536 --> 00:54:01,203
FINCHER:
You are the sperm donor I want.
1066
00:54:01,371 --> 00:54:04,106
-Yes.
FINCHER: Okay. Good, here we go.
1067
00:54:04,274 --> 00:54:05,674
And action.
1068
00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:07,576
FINCHER:
As I was watching, I was thinking...
1069
00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:09,845
...they're something special to look at.
1070
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,847
They're beautiful, beautiful people.
1071
00:54:12,015 --> 00:54:14,917
And when he finally croaks,
looking at her old face...
1072
00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:17,186
...that will be irony.
1073
00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:21,323
ROTH: First rule,
if you're gonna write a love story...
1074
00:54:21,491 --> 00:54:23,459
...is how you're gonna keep them apart
at the end.
1075
00:54:23,627 --> 00:54:25,494
You get them together,
it's like, so what?
1076
00:54:25,662 --> 00:54:29,431
You know, we have to have
this sort of yearning that goes on.
1077
00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:35,704
I don't want anybody together.
I want to see everybody as unhappy as me.
1078
00:54:37,574 --> 00:54:42,278
-What are you thinking?
-Well, I was thinking how nothing lasts.
1079
00:54:46,082 --> 00:54:49,618
FINCHER: Everyone in this movie dies,
you know, so, of course...
1080
00:54:49,786 --> 00:54:53,422
...that's how I was able to stomach
all the rest of it.
97642
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