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It is said
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that within every man there is an animal, a beast that simmers,
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waiting to manifest
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this creature caged behind the bars
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set by either parents or society's
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governing bodies.
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Robert Louis Stevenson
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in 1885 wrote about such a phenomenon in the book.
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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
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raising awareness to this very fact.
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This beast must never
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overtake the persona of its host.
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It must remain confined.
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However,
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should the key to its cage be turned, then the beast will rise
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with the sole purpose
to dominate its surroundings.
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Should external forces hold this key,
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chaos and disorder would rule.
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It is for this reason,
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and this reason alone,
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the discipline and self-awareness
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be the jailors
that hold the key to the beast cage.
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With both these governing authorities
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presiding over its release,
David Radford is such a man.
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He's the jailer to his inner beast.
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However,
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within this custodial relationship,
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there is but one question that remains.
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Who has the power?
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Is it the beast or is it
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the jailer?
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This is my journey.
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Hemsworth
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A small village in West Yorkshire,
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nestled amongst like for like villages
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in that area.
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Hemsworth first mentioned as far back
as the Domesday book,
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in 1086.
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Then through the ages,
in the middle of the 16th century,
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it could boast its own hospital
and school.
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As time moved on in the middle of the 19th
century, Hemsworth became
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what was termed a one industry town,
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and that was that of coal mining.
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Now, this lasted to the mid 1980s,
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when the pits were finally closed.
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Yeah, it was a lively village.
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And then when the
mines closed in the village
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A lot of them men worked down the pit.
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So everyone's struggling for jobs
and it was like a little depression,
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you know,
and the entire community was struggling
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and at one stage was classed
as one of the most
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deprived places in Europe.
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And then the money come rolling in
and it just boosted it and brung it all back to life again.
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Now, some men are born fighters.
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They come into this world
kicking and screaming,
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protest, shouting against the handling
of the attending midwife
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on the 30th of May 1969.
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Dave Radford was born into the loving
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Radford family,
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As his mother, Shirley
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and his father, Terry, held him.
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Little did they know or could even conceive
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what fate had planned for him
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as he negotiated the maze of life
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where he would emerge
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to become Britain's middleweight
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bare knuckle champion.
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But to Dave, equally as important as that title,
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he would become an ambassador
for his sport
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that the majority misunderstand.
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Yeah, it’s good to be back dad.
I’ve drove up this morning,
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This is where it started, David.
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You were born here and we’ve had a lot
of good memories it brings back.
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Yeah, everything.
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Everything comes from this little bubble
in here, do you know what I mean,
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I've just been up here now to put my clothes in
the little bedroom, and I'm thinking,
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well, I have not been any for years.
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that little, little bedroom like that.
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That were my bedroom,
you know, absolutely brilliant.
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But, 50 odd years of memories
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Can you remember Benjy?
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That black dog.
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He were killing machine.
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Can you remember when he got lost?
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When you took him to the vet
and he got lost
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in Barnsley.
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And vets must have opened the door
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and he got out.
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and we used to go around
for a long time walking around
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looking around, shouting him.
And we couldn't find him for 2 weeks.
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And then we sat watching telly and he
walked what we were endeavoring to monitor.
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They were interviewing someone
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and he walked along,
he walked along didnt he!
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Anyway, we got him back.
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Yeah,
I always remember collecting my scrap
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Bringing my scrap home and er,
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Getting all in the garden there, it were like a
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And then I would ring Gordon up,
and Gordon would send the man up
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with the pickup and put in all on.
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And I used to
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make a decent bit of money
at that age of 14 year old.
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But can you remember that
what that you call it, car
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that old Ford?
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the old Ford car.
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Old scrap car. Aye, old scrap car.
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And you said, dad, can I knock
that to pieces and get the scrapman
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to come and pick it up.
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So you worked on that car
for about a fortnight chopping it.
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piece by piece
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And then you sent for scrapman
and he says
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20 quid
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Aye, he said if you brought it down whole,
I’d have give you 30!
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And I spent, I spent two weeks
chopping it up.
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I remember coming home
and telling you I was going to become
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a boxer in that gym,
that opened down in Hemsworth.
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I remember going down first night, and I never,
never had a fight in my life really.
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I think I had one at school and only won
that one because she had asthma attack
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went down one at nights
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These two young lads
think I was 16 at the time
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There were two lads about 13
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what already boxed and I got in the ring
with one of them
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and I thought, I’ll be all right here
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and he give me a good hiding
and then I got in
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with the other one, and
he give me good hiding
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I’ll always remember walking home
thinking he’ll not do that next time.
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but it happened for six or seven months
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They realize what I'm doing then.
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Yeah but I never thought David
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When you little lad,
you were so placid
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and so laid back.
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I never thought in my wildest dreams
you'd have been a boxer.
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I know.
And I didn't really know myself dad.
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And then I didn't know what happened
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I always remember having a fight
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bit of a do with someone on Crosshills
and it wasn’t supposed to have happened.
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And it happened.
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and I impressed this bloke
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and he said to me he‘s opening
a boxing gym tomorrow, er Monday
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and I walking up home thinking
he thinks I’m hard.
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and that’s the only explanation I can give
I won't have a clue what got
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I mean, I often wonder about
my friends at school
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I haven’t seen them for years and years,
but they’re same as yourself.
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You said there, never would have thought
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Who would have thought
that I would have been a fighting man
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do you know what I mean
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from boxing to cage fighting
to bare knuckle fighting to unlicensed boxing,
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It was a surprise to myself, you know what I mean.
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I wonder if thats where I have inherited my mining
days from Dad, doing me,
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you know, pipe jacking
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and things, where you’ve been an ex-miner.
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Did you work at Hemsworth pit?
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I worked at Hemsworth
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I think I had seven years at Hemsworth.
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They used to call it bread and herring pit.
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because there were no mechanism,
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It was just ponies I think we
had two shafts
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It was ponies down there then?
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We’d had nearly 150
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And it was pick and shovel.
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You know what I mean like,
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just braying at that wall with a
pick and shovel
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We used to chip a bit out of the bottom
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What were er,
Were it timber heading
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Did you have timber above you?
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Oh yeah.
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You got to do because you couldnt take your coal
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You couldn’t axe out coal.
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Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I didn't realize.
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Or pit ponies down like in
your time and when you were
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Mining. Aye that’s
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pick and shovel.
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And then I went from Hemsworth
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‘cause my brothers
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I had two brothers,
they worked at Hemsworth
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My dad worked at Hemsworth
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and my Dad’s brothers worked at Grimethorpe
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They're was a big family of us
that worked at Grimethorpe.
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And I did more or less nearly 20 year
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with both.
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As Dave grew
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both Dave and all those around him
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actually had no idea
what destiny had planned for him,
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what role he would need to fulfill.
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So at this time he just remained
camouflaged with the rest of his friends
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and peers, with ill fitting
clothes, kicked out trainers
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riding bicycles that were a mutation.
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Life was hard.
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It gave very little praise
and even less presents.
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that was all apart from his mother.
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As Dave returned home from school
every day,
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she would ask the same question,
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And what's my little man
been up to today?
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What the purse or the wallet couldn't pay for
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Dave's imagination funded
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and never more so as it paid
for entry into Hemsworth's answer
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to the complete adventure pack
for all children.
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Or, basically the collection of
derelict buildings
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just across the street
from where Dave lived.
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Once here with his friends,
he would join the ranks of soldiers
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fighting invading forces.
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Now you could say
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that was this destiny,
preparing Dave for the battles
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that he was to have in the future,
in the Brickyard pond,
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In the Brickyard pond,
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in his vessels, with his shipmates,
he would fight pirates
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and also watch as sea monsters,
try to capsize his vessel.
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And here the necessity to swim was met with.
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Again, was destiny
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preparing Dave with upper body strength?
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Dave Schooling, his education.
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Well, I think it would be fair to say
that Dave's education
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took more of a hands on route
rather than the customary, academic route.
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His lessons included canoeing.
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Now, again,
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was this to prepare Dave
for throwing his weight
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For moving his shoulders
as he put his paddle against the water.
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But the other benefit this gave, Dave,
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was a somewhat flexible timetable
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which allowed him
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to sneak back out
through the school gates.
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To once again walk through his front door
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in silence
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with the objective to help his mother out
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with the housework
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as she is self slept upstairs
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after finishing a night shift
at the local hospital.
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At the time in Hemsworth,
there was a man that lived on the streets.
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His name was Cyril.
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People would either walk past him at best
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or cross the road to avoid him.
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Not Dave.
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Dave would go home, make a cup of tea
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and take it back to Cyril.
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He would then give Cyril
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the best gift
one human can give to another.
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And that was the gift of time.
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Dave would sit and listen to
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Cyril, listen to the stories
that he would tell the boy,
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and in doing so,
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acknowledge that Cyril was a human being.
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Yeah, this was Blue Bell pub.
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I’ve had many, many a fight in there and outside,
and on this ground.
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Never ever caused it,
I've always had to defend myself
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My first ever fight there
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was when my sister Gail rung me up
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and she says ‘you need to get down here’
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‘there's some trouble’
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So I come down
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and erm,
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there were all big gang should around
and everything
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they were having a go with my brother
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It finished up,
this fella
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saying you know,
and everyone were laughing and things
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So I stood there and said,
He’ll not fight you, but I will.
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Well, everybody laughed then
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A skinny little thing
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but I were sober
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For some reason,
I don't know where it come from
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I hit him and knocked him to the ground
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and everyone was
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It just went silent, it went silent.
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A change in events,
a collision of circumstances.
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Now most renowned
people can trace this back
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to were fate,
nudged them to take a specific
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fork in the road
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and to walk a path
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that would lead them to their notoriety.
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The young Dave Radford, up
until this point in his life
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had remained camouflaged,
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grouped amongst his friends.
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For the first time, Dave Radford
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heard the beast, his inner beast growl
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as it passed the cage
and clawed at the bars
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as the young Dave Radford
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held his fist skyward and marveled
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at what he attained
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Again,
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Fate had played its hand,
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It placed somebody in that crowd,
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Dave's friend, Shaun Higginbottom.
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Shaun approached Dave and informed him
that his father had opened the boxing gym
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and advised Dave to attend.
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But I was thinking to myself,
this lad thinks I’m hard
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Do you know what I mean, So I went down and
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I ended up
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starting my boxing career down there, but
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I didn't know how to hold my hands or anything, and
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I got a good hiding every night when I went down
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And then I started getting better and that
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and then when things starting happening,
whereas I was
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you know, still only a skinny little lad,
a eleven stone lad
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So whenever I was out and people saying
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He’s a boxer
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They wouldn’t have it, these big lads
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and they’d forever
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Take mickey out of me,
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It’d always finish up fighting
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Do you know what I mean
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I’d end up having to hit someone.
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it worked every time for me, you know,
worked every time.
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But,
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When I started bare knuckle fighting
and it came on YouTube and things
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People seen me then
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and I'd be able to go out and relax.
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So people,
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Didn’t want to hassle me then.
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Do you know what I mean,
Didn’t want to hassle me then.
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and they didn’t want to know.
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But I’d get a handshake rather than a stare
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and it were nice, and thats
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I didn’t want trouble, do you know what I mean.
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But er,
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like I say,
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you don’t have to go looking for trouble
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It happens anytime
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Do you know what I mean.
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And when Alan opened
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YMCA
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of course it were a new thing in the village.
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So everybody wanted to have a look
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and I went down
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and you walked through the door
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and that’s when I
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when I first got to know you as
the would be boxer a type of thing.
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I wish you would have turned round to Alan and said
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He’s barred!
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and I wouldn’t have gone through it!
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but yeah I mean,
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well, looking back
now it’s how we met and we started
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we did a lot at Alans and then
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starting doing a bit of training at yours
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if you remember,
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we used to do some pad work upstairs.
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Yeah upstairs, I’d converted all the attic.
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Yeah
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Carpet down and
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done walls out and that
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do a bit of weight training and that wouldn’t we
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not too much like, but a bit of punch bag
342
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didn’t we, and hand pads
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hand pads
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yeah
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That was as well as going to gyms though two
or three times week.
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That were extra like, wasn’t it.
347
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Yeah, different gyms. Yeah
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I was,
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I remember you saying from that moment
I knew
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that you were going to be a fighter,
you know, I did like.
351
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Yeah, that's what I knew.
352
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Yeah. Yeah.
353
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But, you seen me with the pro game
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Another fighter I got on with
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I think it was my first,
first professional fight and
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He got in ring and
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and a few people comments saying, you know
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what's this boy
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It’s like a welterweight getting in with a heavyweight?
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Well, I was stood with your dad
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He came out first
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like he come out first
and he walks to ring
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I looks at the dad, the
dad looks at me as if to say
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he's come out to wrong fight
365
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,799
He's not fighting our Dave surely?
366
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But he was...
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00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,200
and can you remember Dave
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Manager said I'm sorry Dave,
I won't do that to you again.
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Yeah.
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afterwards
371
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,999
I wonder how many times he should
apologise again and again
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‘cause I got to do more than once
Pete didn’t I
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Yeah, yeah.
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But
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Dave, you never lost a fight
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That was fair 50/50 you never lost one.
377
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,479
Yeah.
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You only lost against bigger kids and
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but the thing is what it is, Dave,
380
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,920
they look at the boxing record and it says Dave
Radford beat by so-and-so,
381
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but it don't say so-and-so
were three stone heavier than Dave.
382
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,799
It just said beat by
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So they don't see it, Dave do they
384
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They just read a record and think god
385
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Look there, you know what I mean
386
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Yeah.
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They don’t know truth
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00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,319
Yeah, I had some
389
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,759
had some very bad mismatches
Pete didn’t I really...
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00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,079
I bet, I bet,
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00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,719
75% of the fights Dave were mismatched
392
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,519
Yeah.
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00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,680
but not mismatched in your favour though, Dave.
394
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,280
It was always mismatched in opponents favour.
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want it, know what I mean.
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00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,120
Yeah
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Two stone
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I bet some of them were two and half stone heavier
399
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,800
You know and
400
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,680
Well you see with it
401
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,119
If I’m fighting a guy that’s two stone heavier
402
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,519
I've got everything on me I’ve
got the weight
403
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,080
I've got the clinch I’ve got everything but
404
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,279
All it is for him is he’s beating me and
405
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,680
he’s going up the rankings here
406
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,679
and I'm going lower down because
407
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,640
I've not won but
408
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,240
It doesn’t show you there that I’m fighting a guy
409
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,279
I'm up against it all
410
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,159
Do you know what I mean
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00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,840
No, yeah.
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00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,639
I don't know if you remember Dave
413
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We went to one show and we got weighed in
414
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,999
Can you remember a kid called Alan Pennington
from Liverpool?
415
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,920
right broad scouse?
416
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,079
No
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00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,959
He gets on scales, chuffing hell,
chuffing hell
418
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,039
I’m 11.4
419
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,759
That's right. yeah.
420
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,360
He said
421
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,559
He said, well what did they put you down as?
422
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,400
11.2
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00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,279
Ah well go on then,
we’ll make it 11.3
424
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,639
Yeah.
425
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,879
So they put him down at 11.3
and we saw him get on the scales
426
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,280
at 12 stone four.
427
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,880
Yeah, that happened a-lot didn’t it.
428
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,359
It happened all the time
429
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,320
It is scandalous
430
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,160
And that's all just to let the
431
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,279
to make sure fights happen that night
432
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,479
because crowd had paid to get in there
433
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,759
and if there was only 3 fights on
434
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,040
when there should be 15 on
435
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920
I just seemed to be on the back end
all the time didn’t I really
436
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:11,919
I mean
437
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,880
and you never complained Dave once
438
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,920
I was managed wrong do you know
what I mean, but,
439
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,480
best thing that happened to me was
440
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,880
meeting Trevor Carrigan,
you know, brilliant
441
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,600
two great trainers there,
James Walker and Trevor Carrigan.
442
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,159
All he was bothered about was boxers.
443
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,040
He wasn’t bothered about,
you know, making money or whatever.
444
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,959
And that's how it was.
445
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Well, but I mean, he got me the Duran
fight, you got me, you know, Copenhagen
446
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:43,039
Yeah.
447
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,960
I were looked after with him,
he got me Belfast and
448
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Yeah.
449
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,319
He got you some decenters didn’t he
450
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Yeah.
451
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,400
He got me up to 9 in the country.
452
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,720
One of the fights that stick in me mind
453
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,919
when I fought Dave Larkin
454
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,519
Dave Larkin
455
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,119
Yeah.
456
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,919
Now, Dave Larkin had a good, good manager.
457
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,920
I think he was Micky Duff
458
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,360
He was
459
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,079
A lot better boxer than me
and everything because
460
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,360
He’d been doing it a lot longer and
461
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,560
He fought and been managed properly.
462
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,240
Very good amateur career.
463
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,799
And I was thinking,
I ain’t gonna win this one,
464
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but
465
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I wasn’t bothered about that
466
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,559
It was the villages
467
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,719
Do you know what I'm saying
468
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760
His village, our village and things and
469
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,680
I always remember,
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big crowds, yeah
471
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,319
It weren’t just boxer against boxer was it,
472
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,119
It was village against village wasn’t it
473
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:35,879
Yeah and I was thinking to myself,
474
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I didn’t want this fight, I'm thinking, no, no, no.
475
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,560
But, I took the fight.
476
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,839
If you’d have lost that everyone
else would have linched you
477
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,080
yeah, yeah
478
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,719
I’d have been like Guy Fawkes Village.
479
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,400
but erm,
480
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,960
anyway, when that happened,
481
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Dave were a, as I say, a very skillful
boxer and everything
482
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,159
and I just couldn't believe on the night
it went my way
483
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560
and I ended up winning on points, but erm
484
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,120
I did not think that were gonna happen.
485
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,880
Well we used to train at a few
places didn’t we, we used to do
486
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,799
obviously, YM with you
487
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,239
when we first started
488
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,559
then over to Batley in Dewsbury
489
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,279
But then we’d also do my loft, didn’t we
490
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:24,719
Yeah.
491
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,560
And then can you remember Dave
when we used to go above King's head
492
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,280
Me and you and then Eddie faces
started coming and that.
493
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,039
But it was always Pete
494
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,159
It was always after work wasn’t it because
495
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,559
Yeah.
496
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,920
Still had to work, doing a
497
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,719
working
498
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eight, nine hour shift and going
straight home, bathed,
499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,159
straight to the gym again,
do you know what I mean
500
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Most of them boxers in the gym,
they've been in bed all day.
501
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,279
Yeah.
502
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
So they would have more energy
wouldn’t they, and
503
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,400
Thats how it was.
504
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,959
On our nights off not going to the gym,
505
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,119
I’d be up at yours in the loft,
506
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:57,719
Yeah.
507
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,679
We'd be doing a bit of light weights.
508
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,599
Yeah, bit of light weights
509
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,519
I always remember it was never heavy weights
510
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879
We had a punch bag up like
511
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,279
Punch bag up and hand pads
512
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,400
bit of sparring
513
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,839
It's always our favourite isn’t it,
hand pads
514
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,279
Yeah.
515
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,039
It’s always our favourite exercise isn’t it.
516
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,400
Yeah.
517
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,839
Your getting your power out there.
518
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Yeah. You get your power.
You get your timings.
519
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,719
Yeah
520
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,999
You get your speed
521
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,200
you get the lot don't you.
522
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,120
But going back to work,
523
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,679
As I say I’ve worked with
you over the years
524
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,320
But erm,
525
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,840
I remember being at Barnsley
I was pipelaying there
526
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,360
I was on 10 hour shifts
527
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,800
and I get up in the morning and I used to
528
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200
a 4, a six, a eight and a 4
run a week.
529
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,159
You know on a morning I’d get up at 5am
530
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,919
running
531
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,920
get back, have a bath
532
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,800
I’d go in my car,
start work at 7am
533
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,600
I'd finish at 5pm
534
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,920
get in my car
535
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,519
still in Barnsley, I’d go down
road and park it up,
536
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,680
James used to come pick me up
537
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320
and then I’d go from there to Huddersfield.
538
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Pro-Gym there, I used train in there
539
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,279
I get back about half nine
at night
540
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,479
get in the car and come home
541
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,239
I’d be out the house
18 hours some of the times
542
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,719
and, not a lot of boxers did that
543
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,040
I mean, a lot of years wasn’t it
544
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,920
Probably going back what,
545
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760
about 35 years since you walked
through that door down there
546
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Yeah, yeah.
547
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,480
When's the next fight tha’ say
548
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,280
I like that ending...
549
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,040
I love that ending...
550
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,919
Hey, you think I'm joking?
551
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,679
don’t you
552
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,360
You think I'm joking?
553
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Don't let Michelle here you,
don’t let Michelle hear you.
554
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,279
This is where my first gym was
555
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,080
I think I was
556
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,480
maybe
557
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,040
19 / 20, or something like that
558
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,639
But this place itself
559
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,039
It were my drinking place
when I was younger
560
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,839
and I've had a lot of fights here
do you know what I mean
561
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,719
People from other villages that erm,
562
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,800
that needed disciplining,
do you know what I mean because
563
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,920
they’d come and they’d
564
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,120
see a small little lad like me and
565
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,639
looking at my reputation
566
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,479
what I had they couldn't believe it
sometimes
567
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,559
Do you know what I mean
568
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,360
I’ve fought many a fight in this pub and
569
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,640
George and Bell across the road
570
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,080
but yeah I did a lot of fighting
up here but
571
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,400
I remember one day
572
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,080
I think was me and nasty Neil
Neil Coleman we was
573
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,800
fighting on the floor
574
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,159
we were giving each other
some fists and was
575
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,120
smothered in blood
576
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,000
and door opened
577
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,679
and I just managed to look to the
side and there was a
578
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,719
A fella with a
579
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,520
youngish lad, maybe 12 or 13.
580
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,000
and when I looked again they was
581
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,839
They were like that.
582
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
And then we carried on
583
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,400
And then we’d finished
584
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,560
I could hear these
585
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,359
going down the steps
586
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360
So I jumped up and
went after them and said ‘hey’
587
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,840
‘What do you want to join?’
588
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,159
He said I’ve come here for my
son to join, he said.
589
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,199
But this is wrong place for me, he said.
590
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,279
Wrong place for him, he said.
591
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,320
But I said, No, no, no.
592
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,319
You've got it all wrong.
593
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,399
And I explained to him, but yeah, I've had
some very nasty sparring sessions up there.
594
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,159
You know what I mean, very nasty and
595
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,759
Neil Coleman, Gav Keane
596
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,039
There's er,
597
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,439
I started with young George,
I mean,
598
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,840
young George Probert was up here
599
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Mark Oates
600
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,000
On a Sunday morning sometimes
601
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
I’d shout Mark or Mark would
shout me
602
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Do you fancy a couple of hours
like but,
603
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Nice and steady, we both agreed
nice and steady.
604
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,360
So I'd say yeah, anyway
605
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,519
Probably Mark would get me in a
606
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,679
we were fighting on the floor then
607
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
He’d get me in a move and
I couldn’t get out of this move.
608
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,879
and I wasn't going to tap...
609
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,000
the only way I could get out of it
was maybe drop head on him.
610
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,679
So I’d drop head on him
611
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,520
and that were it then
612
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,320
and then
613
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
4 or 5 elbows into chops
he’d to get me then
614
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,039
Sunday dinner would be in the bin and
615
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,560
soup again because I couldn’t open
my mouth to get my
616
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,480
dinner in, chew my ‘taties
617
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,720
but erm
618
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,039
yeah this has been absolutely
a god-send to me.
619
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,920
You know, being on my own doorstep.
620
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Now, Dave may have found his first gym
621
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,279
a place where the
622
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,319
underdeveloped
and ill coordinated limbs of this juvenile
623
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880
beast would learn and be developed.
624
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,280
The place was within the bull ropes.
625
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Their strength gained
626
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,479
and their movements
coordinated by pitting himself
627
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
against outmatched opponents.
628
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Now, Dave's development as a boxer
got to such a point
629
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,160
whereby the custody of this young fighter
630
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,600
needed to be given to somebody
who had the ability
631
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160
to see his full potential,
632
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,559
as well as the aptitude
633
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,440
and the skill to place Dave onto a
world stage
634
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,999
where everybody could see the level
he had attained.
635
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Now, that man, being
no other than James Walker.
636
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,400
We got an offer for a real
step up for Dave.
637
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,600
And this guy called
Davey Johnson
638
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,039
Everyone was talking about him.
They thought he was the new
639
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Herol ‘bomber’ Graham
at the middleweight division.
640
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,959
He was, hit you and you
never hit him, he was
641
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,679
moving all round, beautiful skills
642
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,760
really really really good boxer
and we were fighting with him
643
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,839
I think it was a ten round
or an eight round, a fight.
644
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,840
And, and we started losing the fight
because Davey Johnson was a better boxer.
645
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,080
Far better boxer.
646
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,920
But
647
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Dave's determination and Dave's belief.
648
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
I remember
we went out for the round and he was
649
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,080
and it was Davey Johnson was just getting
the better of him.
650
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,159
I said, you’re gonna have to get to him
and he knocked Dave down.
651
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,880
And it wasn't the strength of the punch,
652
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,920
it was the accumulation of lots
of punches, you know.
653
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,559
And I said to him,
determination, determination.
654
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,559
And he got a bit frustrated
because he couldn't.
655
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,680
And anyway,
they came into the corner right above us.
656
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,360
and they were there and
Dave just let this left go
657
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
and he was just up, just pop
and it went that far
658
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120
and it crumpled and he was gone and
659
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,839
Dave knew it hurt him.
660
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,839
And Davey Johnson, he was fine in the end.
661
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,879
He went to hospital, unfortunately,
but it was unbelievable.
662
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,880
And it was like, wow, well, you know,
this is amazing.
663
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,160
And he beat Davey Johnson.
664
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,799
He had his strength
665
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
That was his strength he
had his determination.
666
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,599
But he could, his hands were dynamite
667
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,600
he could hit with both hands and they were
and they were heavy hitting hands.
668
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,119
And Dave had a fantastic jab.
669
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,799
One of the best jabs I've ever seen.
670
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Real solid jab, they hurt.
671
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,039
The hurt as hard as any most people's
672
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,080
right hands.
673
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,599
And then we got a fight with a kid called
674
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Martin Jolly
675
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,599
What a tough lad Martin Jolley was
676
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Classed as a journeyman
677
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,720
But if you beat Martin Jolley
you were a good fighter.
678
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,759
He was so tough and I knew
it was going to be a tough fight for Dave.
679
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
I knew it was, and we trained hard for it.
680
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,519
And again,
I said to him, It's all about that jab.
681
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,519
It's all about that
682
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
that devastating punch.
683
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,040
And he beat Jolley and
he sickened Jolley.
684
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,760
and in the end, Jolley came up to me
at the end of the fight and he said,
685
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,240
he says, I've never been as hard
with a jab
686
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,480
and Jolley as fought the majority
of the middleweight champions in England.
687
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520
And he said, ‘I've never been
solidly hit as hard.’
688
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:40,639
And for that kid to say
that was, was amazing.
689
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,760
And then we got the call to go to Belfast
690
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,960
and we went over and we were fighting
the next big thing, Danny Ryan
691
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,599
and Danny could punch with both hands,
but he was a little bit
692
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
like Davey Johnson, very slick,
very good boxer.
693
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
The first time I fought him,
I got a draw with him.
694
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,720
It was very close and I got
the draw but I did break my
695
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,239
break my hand in the second round
so I fought, I fought
696
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,440
another 4 rounds with a broken fist,
I think it was a 6 round fight
697
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,040
and yeah, Danny was a nice lad
698
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,919
But then I went to Africa,
699
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,160
I come back from Africa and I jumped
in with Danny again for the second time
700
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,960
and he stopped me in the second round.
701
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,479
And he put me down.
702
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,319
I got back up saying I slipped,
which I thought I had slipped.
703
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,799
But when I've watched it back now
I know he puts me down and then Referee
704
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
joined us together, we fight again. And
705
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600
He ends up stopping me, Referee stopped him
706
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,519
He’s a cracking lad is Danny
707
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,160
You know I had a good erm,
708
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,080
A good conversation with him,
we talked about his
709
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,080
obviously Irish are my grandmother are
both Irish, so
710
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
we had a good crack together,
it was alright.
711
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Once again, fate would dial the phone,
712
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
but this time it would be James Walker
that would pick it up.
713
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920
And the voice coming out of the earpiece
714
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,360
would offer Dave a monumental
point in his life,
715
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,680
as well as a fantastic opportunity
716
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,520
in his boxing career.
717
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,120
So, of course, when I put phone down,
718
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,560
where are you?
719
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,280
And if I remember I was ringing around
everyone ringing your dad, ringing home
720
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,160
and no one knew where you were.
721
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,239
I was at my sister's plastering
722
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,159
I’d got a couple of week off work
723
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,360
and she wanted some work doing
724
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,479
and I was plastering her kitchen.
725
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,999
and I was halfway through,
I’d got it
726
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,520
I got it on the wall and everything.
727
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,200
I think you rung Michelle,
728
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,320
you said, you know, I’ve
got you a fight
729
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,560
We have to fly tomorrow,
It’s South Africa,
730
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,400
I says, ‘South Africa?’
731
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,800
He says ‘yeah’, I says
732
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,679
‘yeah, no worries’, he went
733
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,159
‘well don’t you wanna know who
you’re fighting?’
734
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,079
I says ‘Who am I fighting?’
735
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
He went, ‘Roberto Duran’ I
went, ‘he’ll kill me!’
736
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
But, you packed your bag as quick as anything
737
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,959
and to your credit, you never asked
how much the purse were
738
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,160
we were just down and
739
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,400
and straight down to Heathrow
740
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,599
and we drove
741
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,040
from the airport
to the center of Johannesburg
742
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,520
and we got out the van. And
743
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,520
and we got out the van. And
744
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,399
it was the scariest thing
I've ever done in my life
745
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,760
walking if you remember.
746
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,399
I remember that it was
747
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,439
It was a very scary place, looking over my
shoulder all the time wasn’t it
748
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,639
Well, it
749
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
You could hear you remember those gunshots
750
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,840
all the time
751
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,959
and then it was gloves on time.
752
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,280
Do you remember that?
Do you remember when the gloves went on?
753
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,479
Yeah, I remember then
754
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,919
that's when my head went into shape.
755
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,359
And I said right, you know,
this is it now
756
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,559
I'm going out to war, and now I remember
I always go into that mode,
757
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,000
you know, when I put the gloves but
I was very nervous, you know,
758
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,200
it didn’t matter because
them people didn’t know me
759
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,600
but it was who I was
fighting do you know what I mean
760
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,760
and I’m just thinking to myself,
you know
761
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,239
I've watched this man on television
and I always thought he was a beast
762
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,760
Do you know what I mean and then
I'm getting in and fighting him.
763
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,039
So yeah but, I was
764
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,599
very, very nervous.
765
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,360
I mean, it was let's be honest,
he was number three in the world.
766
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
And you were, I don't know,
767
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,040
200 in the world at that point,
the world before you fought him.
768
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,639
So then the knock on the door came
and it was time for us to, to go in.
769
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,679
And the security guard opening the door
and just being hit
770
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,280
by the cameras
and the lights and the people.
771
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,079
And we came down
and they walked us through.
772
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759
But yeah, that took it for me.
773
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,519
It was breathtaking looking at the crowd
and everything and that
774
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,079
But then I’m mooching around there
all of a sudden I looked at the side of the ring
775
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
and who were at ringside there, one of me
heroes, marvelous Marvin Hagler
776
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,400
suffering Jesus
777
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,080
I was gobsmacked.
778
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,840
and same as when Duran got in the ring
779
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,519
the first thing I want to go over
and shake his hand and say
780
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
you know he was one of my
heroes as well and
781
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,399
and I was fighting him, so it was
782
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800
So I had to keep myself in that zone
and you know,
783
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,600
forget it all day, forget it all. And
784
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,440
but yeah, it was
785
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,199
in that ring it was
786
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,559
It was a dream, you know,
what you see on television
787
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
and fighters get into ring and there's
all this crowd there and everything
788
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,359
and it happened for me
do you know what I mean and
789
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,199
yeah it was
790
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,400
amazing, it was brilliant
791
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,560
but to fight in that heat
792
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,600
and to fight 3 minutes rounds,
and to fight Duran
793
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,720
I was thinking to myself this is,
this is not looking good.
794
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,840
This is not looking good specially
with the heat but
795
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,720
Like I say, ding ding, round one started
796
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,400
When I was fighting Duran, I was struggling
with the heat and breathing
797
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,119
but it was different class.
798
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,920
you know, a world title level
you know to a British
799
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,320
title more or less type of
thing or someone in the top ten.
800
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,359
It just seemed to be his body movement
801
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,360
He’d come to the body
bang to the body
802
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,999
and you were tense, you
had to tense up
803
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,320
to take this shot, big
hard shot to the body
804
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,439
and then he’d more or less know
805
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,640
he might stick a jab in me
806
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,160
knowing then
807
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,600
I could breathe
808
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,680
to get my air
809
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,320
soon as I’ve to, breathe
810
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,639
your man would drop downstairs and
811
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,840
come in again, do you know what I mean,
and it was
812
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,279
his skill level
813
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,520
knowing when I breathing
when I wasn’t breathing,
814
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,000
when to hit me, when not to hit me,
when I needed that air.
815
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Your man would drop down and
put it in again so that I got
816
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,439
short breaths, you know what I mean?
817
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,039
And that's a different level altogether,
you know, world champion
818
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,480
You know what I mean?
819
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
I think five time world champion.
820
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,920
I end up having an hernia operation after that.
821
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,039
I ended up
822
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,919
He hit me low, er,
823
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,760
three or four times
824
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
I noticed when I was getting
in the shower I got a
825
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,559
lump and I'm thinking,
you know what is this
826
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,039
he bust the wall of my stomach
827
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,680
and I ended up having an hernia operation.
828
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
and a lot of fighters will agree
with me on this
829
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,399
you can get up from a good chin shot
830
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,680
but you won't get up from
a good body shot.
831
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,879
When you get one in the
rib cage there
832
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,479
A good body shot your not getting
back up from that
833
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,040
before 10 do you know what I mean?
834
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,639
This one I went
835
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,400
into a dressing room afterwards, erm,
836
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,200
To meet, to have a proper meet with him.
837
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Absolute gentlemen.
838
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,520
These gloves.
839
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,400
These gloves what you’ve hit me with
a few times
840
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,960
These are the original gloves
841
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,639
I fought Roberto Duran in these gloves.
842
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,399
They gave him me them on that night.
843
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,759
They gave me them, to put on.
844
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,240
I went to Duran's dressing room
845
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,159
and they agreed I could have the gloves.
846
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,960
And your man signed them there
847
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,399
they're better than anything.
You know what I mean
848
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,600
they're better than anything.
And they've got his DNA on, my DNA on
849
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,679
They are the original gloves I fought
Roberto Duran in, and
850
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,879
They might have a bit of Michelle’s DNA on, ‘cause
851
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
She’s hit me with them a few times, haven’t you
852
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,119
There’s this one here
853
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,799
Hemsworth boxer, verge of top ten.
854
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,039
I always wanted to
855
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,279
I've always wanted to get in top ten,
856
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,160
you know, I used to buy boxing news
and read it and
857
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,480
look at ratings and things like that and
858
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,800
my dream was to be in the top ten.
859
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,560
And I fought Duran and then
ended up being in the top ten.
860
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,320
So I was really, really pleased with that.
861
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,160
The Roberto Duran fight propelled
Dave up the rankings
862
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,520
and the wave that he rode and allowed
all in the boxing world to see him.
863
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,400
But as we know,
864
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,400
all waves at some point must
come crashing down.
865
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,720
And when they do so,
866
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,320
they change the landscape.
867
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,960
When Dave's wave came crashing down,
868
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,919
the view of his boxing career
869
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,240
changed forever.
870
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,960
The accident broke Dave's bones,
871
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,600
but it also fractured his boxing career.
872
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,240
When I had that accident at Huddersfield
873
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,599
that were a bad situation that.
874
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,679
Yeah, yeah.
875
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,760
Well I remember when that happened
876
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,879
getting a phone call,
877
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,920
off your ex-wife called me and will I
take her to hospital, you’ve had an accident.
878
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000
So again, I flew through
879
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,400
seen you laid there
880
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
absolutely devastated because the fine
fit young man that went to work that day
881
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,879
was in just in a horrible place, to me
882
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,840
you were on death's door.
883
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,360
They reckoned it would have
killed any normal man
884
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,880
They reckoned it would have
killed any normal man
885
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,560
It probably would have.
886
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,000
Say I was down, down the shaft,
48 foot deep.
887
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,720
So we're digging, digging away.
888
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,959
And then every now and again,
you sink the shaft.
889
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,639
You push the shaft from the top.
890
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,040
But every time we're pushing the cage
would come down, we'd get in the cage.
891
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Then we'd go out of the shaft
892
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,440
But anyway,
the top man had gone away to the toilet
893
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,319
and then Patsy shouted to me, he said,
‘We're going to push’
894
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,639
So I give him thumbs up.
895
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
I carried on because usually it
take about 5 minutes for cage to come down.
896
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
So I'm walking away and then all of a
sudden I put jackhammer into the ground
897
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,440
and John got out of the machine
898
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,840
and
899
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,880
I never looked up, but
I was waiting for the Cage to come down.
900
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,679
Then all of a sudden, the shaft dropped.
901
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,040
It went
902
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,480
John went ‘Borrrr’
903
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,560
and I laughed at him, I remember
laughing at him.
904
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,679
But I didn't know what had gone off was
905
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,480
Patsy said to your man, I'm going to push
906
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Well he’d
907
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,239
the top man had gone to tip,
gone to the toilet.
908
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,800
So the engineer walking by
909
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,280
so he pushed a button to push the shaft
910
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,880
and not knowing,
you know, what he should have been doing.
911
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,319
And as the shaft dropped
912
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,280
there were some metal shoes that
weighed just about 2 stone.
913
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,120
and they fell in
914
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,320
there were four,
but two were on rope
915
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,320
they weighed two, two and a half stone
916
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,760
er, one
917
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,679
hit me on top of my head
918
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,519
but luckily enough them helmets George
919
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,519
You know what what I mean,
you think that they’re nowt are they but
920
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:14,879
Yeah.
921
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,879
That saved me
922
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
That hit me on top of my shoulder
and broke
923
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,399
broke my collarbone, big plate in my collarbone
924
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,640
my jaw, six vertebrae’s in my back I’ve crushed
925
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,200
but I was the lucky one
926
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,600
John bless him, he
927
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,999
he ended up paralyzed like,
he’s in a wheelchair now but,
928
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,920
No, it was a sad time, it was horrible
929
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,600
to see two fit men going to work one day
930
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,199
one mistake from one man that
has knackered two lives.
931
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,479
I woke up and looked
932
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,119
and there was about this
much water in the shaft
933
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,599
it were all red
934
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
There were paramedics here,
so I don’t know how long I were out.
935
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,559
Well, fire service had to get you out.
936
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,319
I was looking around thinking,
what's going on?
937
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,079
And then that just got John in a stretcher
who, took him out.
938
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Anyway, the story behind it,
when whatever the inquest, the inquest
939
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,360
them shoes what fell in
940
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,639
the weighed two and a half stone, and
were traveling at 60 mile an hour
941
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,199
and weighed just over a ton.
942
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,199
Well I lucky enough
943
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,600
Well unlucky enough to go visit the site
and I looked into the shaft
944
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,799
and it was, I don't know how
many meters it was
945
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,800
but it was scary the fact
that something of a substantial size
946
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,639
and weight could fall off the hydraulic ram
that it was connected to.
947
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,120
It could have been a simple safety pin
that stopped it doing that
948
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,800
It nearly killed two men.
949
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,040
Paralysed one man, that’s
950
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Yeah.
951
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,319
but anyway that was work
experiences and you live and you learn
952
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,479
That, as I say I were a
953
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,920
young fit man then that
954
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,519
professional boxing license was took
off my straight away
955
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,400
so I had no license
956
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,199
Obviously your license got taken away
from you, your boxing license.
957
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,640
which you loved boxing, training, fighting.
958
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,439
So you had to move on to something else.
959
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Well, what could I do, British board
of boxing control
960
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,720
took your license away from you.
961
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,800
Never asked if they could
962
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,960
No, no, they didn’t have to, with
the condition of you.
963
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,879
Eventually went I
964
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,239
when I could walk and get myself back right,
I had to try and clear me head
965
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,760
because I was down and depressed
because I couldn’t work
966
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,119
I ended up going for long walks.
967
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,960
And I remember
968
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Sunday morning taking me daughter
for a walk, I was taking Becky.
969
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,560
We got to the gate and I
looked into the cul-de-sac
970
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,040
and I saw a car on fire...
971
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,919
Part of Dave's rehabilitation.
972
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
to aid him back to a full recovery
973
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,000
was to take a daily walk.
974
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,120
On one particular morning,
he set off with his daughter Rebecca,
975
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,480
with the aim to walk to the local shops.
976
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,280
Now, as Dave exited his front gate,
he would normally turn right
977
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,279
on this particular morning
978
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,199
he actually looked left
979
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,519
there in the street was a parked
980
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,680
car stationary without its engine running
981
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,439
and he couldn't
982
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,840
understand what drew his attention
towards this car.
983
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,319
But as Dave approached,
he started to see thin wisps of acrid
984
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,280
smoke escaping from the vehicle
985
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,520
through the window seals.
986
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,160
As Dave approached the car,
he looked through the blackened glass.
987
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,320
The sight that met his eyes
stopped his heart
988
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,240
and lifted his stomach.
989
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,800
There in a child seat,
990
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,920
was a small child, motionless,
991
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,680
Dave frantically opened the door
992
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,919
and with a strength
that he could not fathom,
993
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,439
assisted by the heat of the flames,
he held both sides of the child seat
994
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,679
and ripped the melting
plastic straps from the car.
995
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,319
He held the child in the street,
wishing the fresh,
996
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,560
clean air would fill the child's lungs.
997
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Dave's next action was to run
back down the path.
998
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,640
That only seconds earlier, he'd walked up
999
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,599
to dial 999
1000
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,920
and contact the emergency services.
1001
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,320
Now, it is said
1002
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,600
that there is a plan for all of us
1003
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,640
a predetermined screenplay
1004
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
that at times we cannot understand.
1005
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Now, if that block of steel hadn't had fallen
1006
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,760
or if Dave hadn't been in the bottom
of that pit.
1007
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,760
Would have been anybody
1008
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,520
to pull that child from the burning car.
1009
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,080
And if, in fact, there was, would
they have had the strength
1010
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,760
to rip the child seat
from the anchoring straps.
1011
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,840
I remember I went to Doncaster
1012
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
and I was in the dressing room with
Neil and Gavin and I just said
1013
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:41,880
So whats up with him, he said
1014
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,720
His opponents not turned up.
1015
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,519
I went, oh right.
1016
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,440
So I just went over and I said to him,
1017
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,360
‘Are you all right?’ He said,
‘My opponents not turned up’
1018
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,680
I said, ‘What do you weigh?’
he went, ‘14 stone’
1019
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,959
I says, ‘I’m 14 stone, I‘ll fight you’
He say’s ‘what?’
1020
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,559
I says
1021
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,439
‘what it is mate,
1022
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239
I've been to shows and my opponents
not showed up in boxing.’
1023
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,399
I said, but it does, it's upsetting.
1024
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,720
I said, But I’ve done a bit of
cage fighting training
1025
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,440
but if you wanna have a fight
tonight, I’ll fight you
1026
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,480
You sent me to the car for shorts
1027
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,920
And I’ve got a pair of shoes on
1028
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,079
And I mean, I had my shoes
1029
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:18,760
We’d gone to watch
1030
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,880
Then I walked in and
1031
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
First ever cage fight you gave
a good account of yourself.
1032
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,960
Yeah, I ended up beating this guy,
but erm,
1033
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,040
I’ve took lot of fights on short notice
1034
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,199
When I fought
1035
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Michael Bisping, that was another one.
1036
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,480
You realise that he went on
to be a UFC champion.
1037
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,000
He never did, did he?
1038
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,440
The thing is with you, you turn up
1039
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,199
You don't care what the man is on the other
side of the, your opponent.
1040
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,480
You’ll just turn up, and have a good go.
1041
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Give a good account of yourself.
1042
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,960
Like you say, although you lost to him
1043
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,080
He’s turned on to be one of the greats.
1044
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,639
but you’ve never turned a fight down yet...
1045
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,200
No, but I wish I’d have stopped
at home that night.
1046
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,600
Well, you’ve seen it how
it happened, when you go
1047
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,239
when you go to these bareknuckle fights.
1048
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,840
and it’s, when it first started
a long time back
1049
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,799
in nightclub, F-club
1050
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,840
You’d go and your opponent
would turn up so it’s
1051
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,959
Well you look same size him, you fight him.
1052
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,280
You know nothing about
the man, nothing at all. But
1053
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,959
if he
1054
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,759
If your game enough.
1055
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,960
if you want to fight you have
a fight and that’s it
1056
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,760
It’s
1057
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,399
Win, lose or draw
1058
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,200
Yeah, it’s
1059
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,119
taking part and
1060
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,039
having a good old scrap
1061
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,280
to walk away and people say
1062
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,120
'That were a right scrap that’
that time you know it’s
1063
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,079
I want to win every time but If I don’t
win, as long as it's talked about that fight
1064
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,720
do you know what I mean, it’s
1065
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:33,920
it’s erm,
1066
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,880
giving people the money's worth,
do you know what I mean.
1067
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,520
Dave Radford in side control here
1068
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,600
and he’s tapped! He’s tapped!
1069
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Mark Goddard what’s he doing? looking
at the ring girls?
1070
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,600
Come on Mark, the
guy has tapped.
1071
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:47,919
Oh nice.
1072
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,040
And there we go, he’s seen it now he’s stepped in
1073
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,080
beautiful, beautiful on one hour’s notice
1074
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,759
Dave’s been in there with
everybody, he’s a good fighter
1075
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,040
a tough guy, a hard man,
a very hard man, well done.
1076
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,720
When you’re used to having all that
1077
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,799
well do I call it punishment?
1078
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,039
What I'm saying
all that, all that aggression,
1079
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,440
the fighting and things like that.
1080
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,679
And then all of a sudden
to say it stops
1081
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,879
you don’t do it anymore
1082
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,079
It doesn’t just stop
1083
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,200
You know what I mean,
you carry on, yeah, er
1084
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,199
So yeah I got no license
1085
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,159
so I ended up training people
actually, and then
1086
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,640
when Neil and Gav Keane come down
1087
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,359
They asked me, you know
1088
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,199
with a bit of boxing skill
1089
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,920
because we are cage fighters, and I
asked, ‘What’s this cage fighting about?’
1090
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,720
Anyway, they
1091
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,559
showed me what is was about
1092
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,120
you know,
1093
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,959
kicking and things and it was a lot
harder than what I thought
1094
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,320
do you know what I mean,
and er,
1095
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Then I ended up
1096
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,400
training with them at Andy’s place and
1097
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,520
having, having a
1098
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,640
you know some brutal sessions,
you know kicking shin on shin, blocking
1099
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Oh, It was savage but
1100
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,360
I jumped in and ended up fighting
1101
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Ian Rush
1102
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,280
and then I fought another guy
1103
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,519
He were well up there but
I can't think of his name
1104
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,240
but when I, when I jumped in
with Ian Rush
1105
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,200
I beat the man, I beat the man.
1106
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,560
and then for some reason I ended
up fighting him again.
1107
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,520
And what happened, what happened
with Ian Rush
1108
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,920
Second time I fought him
1109
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,040
He put me in a chokehold, a
rear naked choke.
1110
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,880
and he started squeezing and
1111
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,880
obviously you’re gonna go to sleep,
your on the way to your bed.
1112
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,800
And what your man did
1113
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,479
He got me in this choke, I was
going to sleep
1114
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,840
I thought, I ain't. I'm not tapping.
I'm not tapping.
1115
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,639
So I went to sleep.
1116
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,440
But when I come round
I was shaking, I was shaking.
1117
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,320
So I always thought to myself,
if anybody gets me in that choke again,
1118
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,239
I felt embarrassed.
1119
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,200
So I thought, I'm going to I'm
going to definitely tap.
1120
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,480
And I fought this other guy really up there
I can’t think of his name
1121
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,119
you know, skillful.
1122
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,240
And then he got me on the floor
and put me in a rear naked
1123
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,480
and he put me in a rear naked choke
1124
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,320
and he was sending me away to sleep
1125
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,239
and I tapped like this
and he wouldn’t stop.
1126
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,800
and I were going to my bed
1127
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,600
anyway, when I
1128
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,879
when the referee stopped it, I jumped up and
I kicked off because he didn’t let go.
1129
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,039
He showed you disrespect,
but he showed it to you.
1130
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,559
Yeah,
1131
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,080
So I was a bit annoyed over that but
1132
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,120
I tapped because
1133
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,839
I was embarrassed when I went to sleep last time.
1134
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,360
When I come around I was shaking it
and I just though no.
1135
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,919
Nigel Benn, I got in with Nigel Benn
1136
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,160
It was all for charity, for a young
lad bless him, he’s
1137
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,160
You know, it was
1138
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,360
money to be raised.
1139
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,440
And we knew when Nigel said to me,
don't you try knocking me out.
1140
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,519
I knew straight away, I’m not
gonna mess about with Nigel Benn
1141
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,999
or he’d put me to sleep.
1142
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,839
If you’d had seen him training in that gym
1143
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,319
In that dressing room
1144
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,600
You wouldn't be messing with him.
1145
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,879
No, that’s what I’m saying,
I knew for a fact
1146
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,039
so that's why it was just
1147
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,200
playful stuff because
1148
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,560
I knew if I tried to try a silly shot
with Nigel
1149
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,479
He’d have put me away to my bed
straight away do you know what I mean.
1150
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:09,959
So I just
1151
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,079
No, its respect in it.
1152
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,519
and that’s the big thing.
1153
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,879
And it don't cost a penny that respect,
you know what I mean and
1154
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,640
And that's, that's
why a lot of these fighters
1155
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,280
It’s the same with the bare knuckle fighting,
1156
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,039
A lot of people look at me and think
1157
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,799
you must be nasty horrible people
and things like that
1158
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,799
No, it’s, you don’t have to be nasty
horrible to be a
1159
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,239
to be a fighter, do you
know what I mean?
1160
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,959
But people don't realise afterwards
that I'm all right
1161
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,200
The first day when I'll get up,
the next day I'm all right
1162
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,800
for me, for some reason,
the third day
1163
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,839
when I've had a good scrap like
1164
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,880
same as James McCrory
1165
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,960
yeah, James McCrory the second fight,
1166
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,720
It was, you know, brutal and
1167
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,119
that’s my medicine
1168
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,880
that’s your love, that’s what you need
1169
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,360
Yeah it's, just it’s weird.
1170
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,360
I once travelled down to Hinckley
with Dave Radford.
1171
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,000
He picked me up he was
1172
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,320
invited
1173
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,839
They were having a few of the known fighters
around the ring it was at a
1174
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,080
working men’s club in Hinckley
1175
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,680
and, er,
1176
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,199
Dave said, well, I don't have to pay
in here because
1177
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,320
he said they know I’m
coming, I've got a seat ringside.
1178
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,680
I thought, well, I'd like a seat ringside.
1179
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,279
So as Dave got
1180
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,159
to the door to where the security men were
1181
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,920
he just said to him, Dave Radford?
1182
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,079
Yeah, he said yeah yeah,
I know who you are mate
1183
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:44,759
in you go
1184
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:45,879
I said, ‘Dave Radford’s trainer’
1185
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,519
He said yes, in you go, go and get a seat.
1186
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,000
So we’ve finished up
both sitting ringside and, er
1187
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,999
just before the first
bout word came about
1188
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,400
one of the fighters had not turned up and
1189
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,800
Dave just went, erm...
1190
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,120
I'm just trying to think
if I've got any shorts in the car
1191
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,839
He said, only I don't want to,
I’ve got my best jeans on
1192
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,799
I don't want to get blood on them.
1193
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,400
I said, Well. Why are you going to fight?
1194
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,880
He said, Well, if you don't turn up
like I'll I'll stand in for him.
1195
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,159
I said, ‘you don't know who
you're fighting, Dave.’
1196
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,799
He said,
1197
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,879
I don't bother about that.
1198
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
He said, Not really,
don't really concern me.
1199
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,040
I said.
1200
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,439
Surely you want to know. He said,
no, I'm not really bothered.
1201
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,120
Anyway, it turned out
like it was a heavyweight bout.
1202
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,999
Fame and glory my lad, fame and glory.
1203
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Get it done, Radford.
1204
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,920
and the man who’d not turned
up was fighting a big
1205
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,640
I would think about 6 foot 4
1206
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,320
man, who must have been
about 17 stone
1207
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,679
I said ‘oh but look at
the size of him Dave.’
1208
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,360
I said
1209
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,040
and I said
1210
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,799
the size of him don't worry you Dave?
Not really.
1211
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,679
He said, I’ve fought big en’s before,
he said they look even bigger
1212
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,440
you know when you knock
them out and they’re laid down.
1213
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,160
I’m gonna tell you a story.
1214
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,840
When I working in Barnsley, Barnsley
town center, we’d sunk a shaft
1215
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,800
And anyway,
we got this shaft sunk and job done.
1216
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,999
And boss said to me,
‘what, you like at block paving?’
1217
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,559
I said, Oh, I'm perfect, so
1218
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,880
It was a really big area it was
to block pave.
1219
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,039
Anyway, Saturday afternoon
1220
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,200
I'm working away there and
1221
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,959
we've got this big harris fencing
around, you know,
1222
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,760
obviously to stop people
walking by us and things.
1223
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,040
So when we are working away there
1224
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,239
I could hear this bit of noise,
I was on my knees
1225
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,720
putting blocks down and what
was this noise
1226
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,760
I looked to the side
and there was a man there
1227
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,320
He got the old queer fella
out and he was having a pee
1228
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,919
I looked up at him and he was
just staring at me
1229
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,080
you know, giving me the eyes
1230
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,359
and there was about 6 of them
that were sat on a bench.
1231
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,400
That's where they come from.
1232
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,400
So, anyway, your man had finished and
1233
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,760
I looked at Darren, and I said, Darren
1234
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,560
‘Where are the CCTV cameras around here?’
and he says,
1235
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,160
I don't know why he says
1236
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,080
I’m gonna go off my head in a minute.
1237
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,600
And anyway, I've got a Stihl
saw at the side of me.
1238
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,440
and as this saw was at the side of me
1239
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,080
I could hear these two
1240
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,279
fella’s talking with these other fella’s
1241
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,080
and he’s saying
1242
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,080
if I take that saw off him, can you sell it?
1243
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,800
he says, I'm telling you
now, I can sell it...
1244
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:47,600
You know
1245
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,120
He said well,
1246
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,880
get it off him and we’ll have
a bit of money off it,
1247
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,280
then all of a sudden the lad turned
around and he said
1248
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,920
I'll go in there and give
him a good hiding
1249
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,040
and we'll take the saw.
1250
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,800
So I looked across, and says
‘give me a good hiding?’
1251
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,600
he says, ‘Yeah.’
1252
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,119
And I jumped up, pulled my helmet off,
pulled my top off
1253
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,440
and went running around and,
your man who tried peeing
1254
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:14,799
He came towards me first
1255
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,600
and I banged him with a
beautiful left hook
1256
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,680
he dropped to the floor, the
other one who come
1257
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,880
straight forward I hit him
with a lovely right hand
1258
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,199
and other one grabbed hold of me,
both grabbed each other
1259
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,240
He was trying to bite
me, he was doing this
1260
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,200
but
1261
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,319
What happened was, when
he was trying to bite me
1262
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,080
I was pushing him away, and he
was pulling towards me
1263
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,920
Your man who I’d hit with the left hook
1264
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Who were crumbled on bank,
side of the bank
1265
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,040
He were getting up?!
1266
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,440
I kicked him
in face to make him stop down.
1267
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,880
And as he went down again,
1268
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,719
this guy was pulling me
towards him and I was pushing,
1269
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,959
I just let go with my hand
1270
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Bang!
1271
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,840
I dropped in with head
1272
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,759
So as he fell down,
1273
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,199
he fell onto the harris fencing.
1274
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,200
So when I banged with that left hook, and
kicked him, your man still got up
1275
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,760
he jumped in the compound to me
and as he jumped in
1276
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,000
I heard this
1277
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,920
someone talking and when I looked
it was two traffic wardens.
1278
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,720
They said to this lad
1279
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,720
I wouldn’t go in there if I were you mate.
1280
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,479
Anyway, he come towards me
1281
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,680
and I was shaking right hand
1282
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,039
He were looking at right hand
and soon as he looked at right hand
1283
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Bang I let go with left hook
1284
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,560
Bushka, he’d gone, again
1285
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:23,920
anyway
1286
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,079
as I’m messing around with the fencing these
1287
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,400
three blokes picked themselves up
1288
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,640
but police were, police were coming
1289
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,280
anyway they just run off these fellas
1290
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,160
and Sunday morning, I were
working away me and Darren
1291
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,639
and these two policemen
1292
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,160
come walking by and your man said
1293
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,919
‘Do you have any more trouble
with them go off?’
1294
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,720
I went, ‘No,’ I says
1295
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,039
They never came back.
1296
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,319
He said ‘no they didn’t come back,
we locked the up’
1297
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,520
I said, ‘Oh, sound, sound.’
1298
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
He says, ‘bloody hell, you can fight can’t you?’
1299
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,079
So I said
‘yeah I was only defending myself.’
1300
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,119
He said, we were watching it last night on
1301
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,960
CCTV camera, and he were pointing up,
it was just above us, camera.
1302
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,880
and I laughed and I says
1303
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,999
‘Is there any chance of a copy of the video?’
1304
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,240
He said, don't push your luck.
1305
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Dave was now fully aware
as to the presence of his inner beast.
1306
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,919
He was also aware of its capability,
its capability to mete out
1307
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,680
discipline to those that
required such a life lesson.
1308
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,959
Now, Dave
1309
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,480
would be the jailer to
this hidden persona.
1310
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,999
It was he that would decide
1311
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,360
whether to turn the key
in the lock of the cage door
1312
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,040
anti-clockwise, granting
this beast freedom.
1313
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,680
He would then use self-discipline
as the referee
1314
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,560
to call time on its liberty
1315
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,480
before once again turning the key
in the lock on the cage door.
1316
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,640
But this time it would be in
a clockwise direction.
1317
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,160
The beast needed a cause.
1318
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,640
He needed an outlet.
1319
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,679
and the exercise yard
1320
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,999
the jailer discovered, was in the shape
1321
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,120
of a ring of bales,
1322
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,999
an arena for bare
1323
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,480
knuckle fighting.
1324
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,800
Now, in order to understand this sport,
1325
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,479
as well as its code of conduct,
there is actually no one better placed
1326
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,320
to do so than that renowned bareknuckle
boxing promoter
1327
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,240
Andy Topliff.
1328
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,959
Where did it all come from?
1329
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,280
Basically, it started off
with Elizabeth the 1st
1330
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,599
Now Elizabeth the 1st
1331
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,920
she allowed pirates, right.
1332
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,799
She allowed her sailors
1333
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,679
As such, there was no such thing
as a paid army in those days.
1334
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,200
You got paid when you were at war
and that was it.
1335
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,239
And we was at war
with France for over 100 years.
1336
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,559
So we was always at war with France.
1337
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,840
That's just standard.
1338
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,199
Elizabeth the 1st, the first she actually
1339
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,680
she allowed Sir Francis Drake and so on
1340
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,760
to become pirates.
1341
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,279
They had these great big swords
and they had great big spears,
1342
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,519
you know, on their ships.
1343
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,319
And they had all these big fancy weapons
which on the battlefield
1344
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,680
would scare the hell out of you.
1345
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,680
But the Brits were well known
for always winning.
1346
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,640
And the reason
why is because Sir Francis Drake,
1347
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,240
he basically worked out in his head, that,
1348
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,440
don't use big swords don't use big spears
1349
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,280
just use knuckledusters use small swords
1350
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,160
but teach every single man on the ship
how to fight.
1351
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,159
He had to know how to box.
1352
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,079
If their weapon fell on the floor,
they had to know
1353
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,839
how to get the guy, heatbutt him,
knock him out and do the business.
1354
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,520
Okay.
1355
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:10,080
Anyway, when these
soldiers all came back home,
1356
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,760
they didn't have anything to do because
you only got paid when you at were war.
1357
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,120
So basically the way they made
their money was by fighting in taverns.
1358
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,400
You know, the pubs
1359
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,360
They used to go into these pubs
1360
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,320
and they used to have to fight
for the money. Now,
1361
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,280
when the Civil War happened, they realised
1362
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,800
that they were onto something here.
1363
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,679
they made something
called the new model army.
1364
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,719
And that was the Royalists.
1365
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,640
And then you had the parliamentarians.
1366
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,399
Now every single soldier had to
1367
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,600
learn how to fight
1368
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,440
if the weapon got
dropped on the battlefield
1369
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,799
if they dropped their weapon,
they had to learn.
1370
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,640
And it was called milling.
1371
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,999
And it was because the old millers
1372
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,560
years and years ago,
they were tough blokes.
1373
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,960
and milling stayed with the Brits
in the British Army ever since.
1374
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,239
And what it was when these guys
1375
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,800
came out of the army, as I said, you know,
they had this big civil war.
1376
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,879
And at the end of the Civil War,
there was all these soldiers
1377
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,280
who every week were very good
at milling or boxing.
1378
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,119
And boxing never used to be glove fighting.
1379
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,680
And it used to be bareknuckle
that was boxing, you know,
1380
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,199
these soldiers, when they came out,
they had nothing to do.
1381
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,479
And again, exactly the same as in
the Elizabethan times
1382
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,400
with Sir Francis Drake’s sailors
1383
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:45,199
You know,
1384
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,560
the country was at this time
it was absolutely adrift
1385
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,240
with ex soldiers,
1386
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,760
you know, parliamentarian
soldiers who milled.
1387
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,600
So they, in this time,
1388
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,480
it was different
because there were so many them.
1389
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,560
You got your champions
and you started getting you know,
1390
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,799
your super heroes
and your really well known guys.
1391
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,919
And before you knew it,
you'd have newspapers writing about certain
1392
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,360
bareknuckle fighters.
1393
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,279
When I was younger, I always used to read
about the old, bare knuckling days.
1394
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,599
you know, back then
and they’d fight for hours.
1395
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:26,799
But they were men of honor.
1396
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,039
You know what I mean,
they were gentlemen.
1397
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,520
And when they won,
1398
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,520
They used to have a bit of cloth here
1399
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,520
Your man would take the cloth away.
1400
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,120
It were his, that was trophy in a way.
1401
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,879
I think Bob Fitzsimmons comes into mind.
1402
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,000
I think he had maybe about 106 fights
1403
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,440
and knocked, I think
half of them out.
1404
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,519
he was someone I always read about
and he were a
1405
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,160
gentlemen do you know what I mean
all them old type fighters were all gentlemen.
1406
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,400
but they would fight for hours.
1407
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:15,159
Yeah Andy Topliff, he was the first man
to bring bare knuckle boxing back, publicly
1408
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,800
since the late 1800s.
1409
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,559
He put a lot more rules in it
1410
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,839
Set it a lot more safer should we say.
1411
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,880
A count to 20 If you get knocked down.
1412
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,239
and he cared for the fighters, and he
thought about the fighters.
1413
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,680
He weren't there for the money.
1414
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,359
He thrived on the sport like I did,
1415
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,800
He was very educated on bare knuckle fighting
1416
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,000
The new middleweight, UK champion, Dave Radford!
1417
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:08,880
I first met Dave Radford
1418
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,479
It's quite an interesting story actually.
1419
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:14,360
I'd heard of Dave Radford through
many, many years.
1420
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,560
Basically, he’d become a bit of a legend
to me, you know,
1421
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,080
I wanted to fight him when I was younger,
even though I didn't know the guy.
1422
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,399
He was the only name I kept hearing.
1423
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:32,039
You know, who the f***
is this Dave Radford, you know?
1424
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,000
But the very first time I met him
1425
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,600
It was Harry's bar, he
come up the lift and
1426
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,599
And as soon as I saw him, I saw these
big high cheekbones, big smile on him
1427
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,080
because he's got such a lovely smile
and what a gentleman he is, you know?
1428
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:49,279
Yeah, yeah.
1429
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,040
Hello my mate, you know, big hand shake,
you know it was
1430
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,080
it was a nice moment for me anyway.
1431
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,039
and he said it was for him as well.
1432
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,560
So when he fought James McCrory,
1433
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,759
he was like, Andy you know,
make sure you get me someone who’s
1434
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,199
good because I never can find anyone
you know, everyone I find
1435
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,799
I can just, I can knock them out straight away.
1436
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,000
I want a proper fight, you know?
1437
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,679
All right, then I'll do as I can.
1438
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Now, Dave Radford’s always said, Andy,
you're the one man
1439
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,120
who's always got me beat!
1440
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,680
He said, he said
1441
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,680
any other time, he says, I'll win.
1442
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,160
He says but you, is like me demon.
1443
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,439
You know, we have a laugh,
you know, because unfortunately,
1444
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,600
every time he’s stood on my
1445
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,039
my pit, he’s lost.
1446
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,519
But that's not the case,
1447
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,839
You know, don't get me wrong, Radford’s,
he's one of the hardest men I know.
1448
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,200
You know, he's a legend,
as far as I'm concerned.
1449
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,960
For bare knuckle, the man can take pain.
1450
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,119
You know, I'm glad that I didn't fight him.
1451
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,800
Quite frankly, because, my God,
if he's like that, when he's his age,
1452
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,199
God knows what he was like
when when he was a young man.
1453
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:08,840
You know what I mean...
1454
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:11,919
He took McCrory on
1455
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,480
I think, I think it was a bit of an eye
opener for him when he lost
1456
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,039
and it was actually, it actually was his eye
1457
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,800
which did him because unfortunately
1458
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,840
where McCrory was wearing wraps
1459
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,680
you know, bust his eye
1460
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,880
quite badly
1461
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,960
that's actually when he
1462
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,200
you know, it got called because
his eye was that bad
1463
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,079
and he just went. I remember,
I felt so sorry for him
1464
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,320
and he just put his arm, hand up
1465
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,839
the guy and fortunately the guys who came
down with him, they couldn't believe it.
1466
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,960
You know, the guy had never been beat.
1467
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,240
You know, it was a shocker to us all.
1468
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,119
It was a shocker to me.
1469
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,439
I was shocked. I felt, I felt for him.
1470
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,560
But we had a new champion, James McCrory,
you know, fair play, you know.
1471
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,920
But then, Radford wanted it again
1472
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,600
And my God, did he perform?
1473
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,960
He didn’t get it, but thats life,
but he's still the legend and he still
1474
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,239
and this is how legends are made you know.
1475
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,040
you don't have to win to be a legend yet
1476
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,680
sometimes it's the, the guy that loses
1477
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,480
maybe put a bit more heart in, you know
1478
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,520
I mean, he
1479
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:49,640
S***
1480
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,120
The second fight he had with McCrory
1481
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,760
Never seen a fight like it,
never seen a fight like it.
1482
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,560
Wow. What a fight.
1483
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,200
If only I had a time machine.
1484
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,119
Yeah, I know.
1485
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,239
I know it were hard for you
1486
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,399
I never, ever wanted you at my fights.
1487
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,520
But you said it were harder being at home
1488
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,559
because you know, your
thinking as he fought yet as he
1489
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,360
going in, is he being hurt and
things like that, but,
1490
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:34,880
when you came
1491
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,000
I just said, well you can come in
1492
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,160
I think, was it the last 3 fights
you've been to?
1493
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,440
Yeah
1494
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,199
but you just didn’t want to see
1495
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,479
I didn't want to see you in there.
1496
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,159
I didn't want you to know
you're in there.
1497
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,440
And I said you keep out it way, but,
1498
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,440
How were it for you, what did you
1499
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,320
I preferred to be there.
1500
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,120
I think it was really hard to sit at home
just waiting for a phone call.
1501
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,479
And if nobody rung.
1502
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,759
Oh, is it because you've been hurt or?
1503
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,680
Yeah, I found that very difficult.
1504
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,160
I know the extreme that he’d go to,
he will never give up in a fight.
1505
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,240
And he's just a true warrior.
1506
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,280
Me and Dave have been together ten years
1507
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:31,320
this year.
1508
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:39,560
I think a lot of people don't realise
what a lovely kind man he is.
1509
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,719
But also I think
1510
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,720
people are pretty easy to judge
1511
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,440
when you hear, Oh, you’re
with a bare knuckler
1512
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,720
and this and think oh you know,
what sort of guy is he?
1513
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,080
But he's the most gentle, loving man
I've ever met.
1514
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:03,039
and it's took me a long time
to find a good man.
1515
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,880
and he certainly is one.
1516
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,240
This were back end of my career
my last gym should I say.
1517
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,280
Up here, in top of the Alpha.
1518
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,399
Brilliant set up, I had
1519
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,759
full boxing ring in there, full size
1520
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,560
bags were there
1521
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,039
and we ended up running a little
amateur boxing club
1522
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,440
from here, and there were a few lads
in village that had a few fights.
1523
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,480
which were good, but I did a
1524
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,759
hell of a lot of training for my
bare knuckle fights up here
1525
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,000
with Craig Smith.
1526
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,840
You know, my sparring with him,
do you know what I mean so,
1527
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,360
another place were I’ve shed
a lot of blood up here as well. But
1528
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,920
the best thing, best thing what
ever happened for me,
1529
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:55,840
was
1530
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,800
I’ve had a few good people at this pub,
do you know what I mean, I’ve had
1531
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,440
Roy Jones Junior
1532
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,920
Smokin’ Joe Frazier, I mean
that’s unbelievable
1533
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,879
One of my main men to come here was
1534
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,720
Roberto Duran, he came here to open
the gym for me, do you know what I mean
1535
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,640
big Tim Witherspoon’s been in here
1536
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,999
I’ve done a lot with Tim Witherspoon
1537
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,480
It were nice, It were my dad’s birthday
the other week
1538
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,839
and Tim sent him a text message,
happy birthday, Terry.
1539
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,880
So that was, my dad was
1540
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,040
really chuffed with that like,
do you know what I mean.
1541
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,640
Craig, how many times
1542
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,360
We’ve been up here and had a
decent session, you know
1543
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,880
How many times have you
busted my nose up here?
1544
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,679
Well it's, it weren't
1545
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,440
That was the problem with it, we did that
many rounds and if your nose weren’t bust
1546
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:13,679
You weren’t happy was you.
1547
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:14,919
I know that, yeah
1548
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,879
I had to break your nose or
bust your nose or
1549
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,000
knock your tooth out, otherwise
you weren’t happy were you?
1550
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,080
You don’t ever, have to pay for that either.
1551
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:21,840
How much was it?
1552
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,160
I’m sure it was £1200
1553
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:26,919
I told ya!
1554
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,560
I remember it, that when
1555
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,759
you picked me up and you says
1556
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,960
you know, I’ll meet you at 10:00am, picked me up
1557
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,240
You picked me up.
1558
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,680
I just had tooth fitted day before.
1559
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,240
Anyway, goes down to the top of King’s head.
1560
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,520
and I said, erm,
1561
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,599
Oh, jeez, I forgot my shield.
1562
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,079
I think I got one glove on, I
says I forgot gumshield
1563
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,440
He went, it's alright, we'll take it easy,
we'll take it easy, I bet it wasn’t 60 seconds
1564
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,879
His tooth was knocked out!
1565
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:56,359
Tooth out!
1566
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:56,840
It was!
1567
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:58,599
It was fantastic as well for me
1568
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,799
It was an honor for me to be
in there with you mate
1569
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,879
because I looked up to you, you
were my hero
1570
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,880
I followed you all the way through
from being a baby and
1571
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:08,800
And it was just nice for me to, learn.
1572
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,999
And I did, I had to learn or
1573
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,639
Otherwise it was hard work that.
1574
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,399
Yeah but we come on together.
1575
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,960
As I said, we did the sparring and that
and then it got to the stage where
1576
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,039
we could really have a good go each other.
1577
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Yeah, after you’d let me
hit you for 3 years.
1578
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,080
But I said, the thing is,
1579
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,640
after so long
1580
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,319
Id give you four or five rounds,
then I’d say right,
1581
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,599
You know, let's, let's go up a bit.
1582
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,600
But we stepped it up and when we stepped it
up then, we, you know, it was bang on.
1583
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,840
And that's, how I've learned, and that’s
how you’ve learned.
1584
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,319
getting ready for fights and things
like the bare knuckle,
1585
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,759
you know, the bare knuckle fights,
1586
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,760
I couldn’t have done it without you because
just a phone call, you were there for a spar.
1587
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,999
And that's when I needed that sparring
1588
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,960
and you know, I’d fight at short notice and
1589
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,280
Yeah! That 2 weeks notice
1590
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:58,999
2 weeks notice!
1591
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,119
then little did you know
1592
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,560
as time went down I got the bug
and all, so I got it as well.
1593
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,599
You give me the bug, the disease.
1594
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,159
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1595
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,039
It were good wasn’t it
1596
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,560
Yeah, but we, erm,
1597
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:12,920
Like I said, said we
1598
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:14,640
nobody would know
1599
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,120
like when we used to come up here, door
would be locked because nobody would
1600
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:19,479
nobody would come in
1601
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,919
we would walk out of here absolutely
smothered in blood and things like that.
1602
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:27,040
And people think what's going off here,
they did not know and it was just
1603
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,039
you’re hungry for the medicine.
1604
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,639
You know what I mean, and
thats how it is
1605
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,840
But we've had some good things
and we've been we've been to,
1606
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,280
you know, some good fights and watched
good fights and you’ve seen me fight
1607
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,599
And you ended up then being my corner man
1608
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:41,640
Oh, dear.
1609
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,760
And then, which were good.
1610
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,639
The only thing I regret or were every time
I got back to the corner
1611
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,919
you’d smoother me with water
1612
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,359
you need water, you need water, it’s
good for your brain get some water
1613
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,999
You didn’t even want to drink
water did you?
1614
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:54,399
I know
1615
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,040
I never ever wanted to drink water, no.
1616
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,079
Absolute legend this man.
1617
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,839
Fought Roberto Duran back in the day.
1618
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,919
But I’ve got to say, what a lovely, lovely bloke.
1619
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,559
real gentleman.
1620
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,680
The man himself there, James McCrory.
1621
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,160
James carrying his belts in there.
1622
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,079
Two guys who are now close,
a hardened handshake, the hug.
1623
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,440
Two good guys there.
1624
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,480
Yeah when I fought James McCrory
1625
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,560
I break this here, as well as this
1626
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,079
but you already know at the time anyway
1627
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,719
All I’m hearing is you shouting uppercut
1628
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,440
because that was the only thing I could
catch him with bang bang, with left hook.
1629
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,120
and it was working
1630
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,839
But everytime I was bringing that
uppercut I was thinking
1631
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,440
Arghhh, I’m thinking...
1632
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,279
don’t through an uppercut, don’t
through an uppercut.
1633
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,960
and all I could hear was you shouting
1634
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,640
Uppercut, left hook, uppercut!
1635
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,840
But it’s so natural because
1636
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,760
It’s natural for you to shout, you knew
what I needed to do
1637
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,880
and what I needed to do, but
1638
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,319
Your hand was broke
1639
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,319
But you forget about them things.
1640
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,480
Oh, suffering Jesus bang, bang.
1641
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,639
I kept thinking, don’t
throw it again.
1642
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,639
and you’re shouting, and George is shouting
1643
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:05,159
you know, uppercut
1644
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,639
Why did you throw the uppercut?!
1645
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,439
And then we gets back to the corner
1646
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:10,479
and then I'm talking away
1647
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,200
and you’re sorting me out with
the cuts or whatever and I’m
1648
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:14,919
not, not
1649
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,360
saying anything about my hand but you can
see I look down at my hand and shake my hand
1650
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:20,520
halfway through the fight, but
1651
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:23,639
It’d gone and finished up
I had to
1652
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,439
put my hand up
1653
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:25,479
you know, I’d just can’t
1654
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:26,600
That was a war that...
1655
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,200
We’ve had many a good time up
here do you know what I mean.
1656
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,600
It made me a man. You made me a man.
1657
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,919
But you must have had it in you Craig.
1658
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,719
You must have had it in you.
1659
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,639
It’s same as myself, I’ve never
1660
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,639
never been into fight game
when I was younger and everything but
1661
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,839
there’s something in a man to be able to do
what I've done you know what I mean?
1662
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,479
same with yourself, we’ve
1663
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:15,079
did gruesome sessions, do you know
what I mean, we’ve had.
1664
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,600
They were bad, they were heavy sessions.
1665
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,399
and there were a lot of blood spilt.
1666
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,720
and there was big, big respect , big friends.
1667
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,439
And you when you look up to somebody
like I looked up to you,
1668
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,119
It was a privilege for me to get
in there with you.
1669
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,319
Yeah, that’s magic that.
1670
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,959
And share it mate, honest it was
like my birthday!
1671
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,920
Yeah, yeah.
1672
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,879
You had time for me to start with.
1673
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,039
Yeah, because you was helping me.
1674
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:38,799
Yeah, but I know,
1675
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,639
But then, it got to the stage where
you got a bit of a fix!
1676
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,239
That's what he were planning on all along,
just getting his fix.
1677
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,639
As usual getting hit, that’s
all he’d like to do.
1678
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,960
He’s not bothered about hitting anybody,
he doesn’t want to hurt anybody.
1679
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,120
He just likes getting hit!
1680
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,760
Hungry for the medicine.
1681
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Roughly how many fights have you been to Dave
I mean, bloody hell, you’ve been to
1682
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,279
I’ve had 163 fights
1683
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,919
So you must have been to hell of a lot because
1684
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,600
you started with me and
1685
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,319
You know, a long time back,
how many fights have you been to?
1686
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,079
I’ll tell you what right, I was averaging
a few years ago, we was at 100 to
1687
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,719
to 120 fights a season.
1688
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,119
Jeez.
1689
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:32,480
Like
1690
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:33,879
and how many fights have
1691
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,600
I've been to yours? I've been to
every fight you've ever had.
1692
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,520
Yeah.
1693
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,799
You know, I mean, so it's a
hell of a lot of fights, ain't it?
1694
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:41,479
That's the thing.
1695
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,520
and it's like anything else,
1696
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,400
It's not that fight that does
the damage so much
1697
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,480
its the 163 fights you've had previous.
1698
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,319
It all, fights
1699
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,479
When you're fighting year in, year out,
it catches up doesn’t it.
1700
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,079
It does yeah. I’m you know,
damaged me
1701
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,480
I'm damaged in them ways
my memories, memories terrible.
1702
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,080
But nar, 163 fights
1703
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,959
But you've got to account for as well
all the sparring that I’ve done for them.
1704
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,760
Oh, yeah.
1705
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,640
Maybe 8 or 9 rounds a night sparring.
1706
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:12,479
Yeah.
1707
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,959
And that's without your professional
fights ain’t it.
1708
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,280
and that’s hell of a lot.
1709
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,400
Like I say, It just all adds up
1710
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,479
and it's a lot of punishment ain’t it.
1711
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:20,999
Oh, definitely.
1712
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
a lot of punishment you take over the years.
1713
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,280
and it’s like I've always said
1714
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,159
how good a man was five
years ago can be totally different
1715
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,359
five years later, it's like a running dog.
1716
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,520
It can be fantastic. The bee's knees.
1717
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,879
Five years later, it's a different thing
altogether.
1718
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,679
It's the same with a fighting man, ain’t it.
1719
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,879
You've only got that set
time and that's it, aint it.
1720
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,800
You can stay too long in the fight game.
1721
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,879
It’s same myself now
1722
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,000
I always say,
I do a little bit of training
1723
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:53,400
what I do, but to me I've always said
which is true, I've got a good 10 minutes in me
1724
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,760
But you've always to have that,
1725
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,639
always to have that, bit of
training with you because
1726
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,999
because if not my, my name
now with this fighting
1727
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,960
everybody wants to have a little go
do you know what I mean and
1728
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,119
You've done it
there's nothing to prove whatsoever.
1729
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,319
I told you this years ago and if you
remember I kept telling you to retire.
1730
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,999
didn't I, because you've fought some
epic battles
1731
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,800
proper hectic battles.
1732
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,119
And out of all the fights I've seen
and I've seen
1733
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,880
some serious hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of fights.
1734
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:22,599
You got to think
1735
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,600
I went to my first bare knuckle fight
when I was 11 years old.
1736
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:26,720
Right.
1737
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:31,800
And the most epic battle that stands out
without a shadow of a doubt
1738
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,640
when you and James Gypsy Boy McCrory
fought at the F club.
1739
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,879
That was one hell of a fight.
1740
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,040
And I'm in company
of a lot of fighting men.
1741
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,719
And a lot of men say
that was one hell of an epic battle.
1742
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,439
When you pay for watching a fight,
1743
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,559
That's a fight you want to watch,
do you know what I mean?
1744
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,319
Let's face it, it's 20 years now gone by.
1745
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,799
We've been the closest of friends now
20 years, right?
1746
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,199
September 2005,
when I bought my man to fight you
1747
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:00,959
Yeah, yeah.
1748
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,839
And my man had beat
so many men at the time.
1749
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,039
Big lump of a man as well.
1750
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,280
A big lump of a man.
1751
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,999
And like I say with it, you
nearly killed my man at the end.
1752
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:10,759
Yeah, yeah.
1753
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,880
He told me, he pulled up in the van
1754
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,759
he said to me, ‘is he here Plattsy?’
1755
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,039
I said, ‘he's here.’
1756
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,599
He said, Dave, I'm going to kill him.
1757
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,920
I’m gonna kill the b****** he says.
Right, that was my man.
1758
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,640
And he didn't care whether he killed
you, took your life or what my man.
1759
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,440
And then, like I say with it,
1760
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:27,719
you fought it out
1761
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,160
and you done my man didn’t you.
1762
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,360
You have lived a proper sporting life.
1763
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,560
You are the Napoleon of Southern sports
1764
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,999
and it's been an honor
to be a good friend to you.
1765
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:41,599
Good man Dave.
1766
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,599
See you again my lad.
1767
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:43,359
Good luck, bye.
1768
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:44,999
At the next sporting event.
1769
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:45,720
Good man.
1770
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,520
Yeah, I've retired now, erm, ish...
1771
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,040
I’ve moved from
1772
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,599
my job which was up north and moved
from the job down to
1773
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,040
Kent, so I’m working in Kent for
a long time now.
1774
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,040
So what I've done,
I've got this place in Aylesbury
1775
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,200
and it's a lovely place, lovely pad.
1776
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,160
Yeah I miss, I miss the fighting game,
I mean
1777
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,879
but, I’ll be honest with you, I
don’t go to any shows.
1778
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,640
because I’ll still be jumping in,
do you know what I mean, but,
1779
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,000
I do miss it, hell of a lot.
1780
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,279
But mainly now I’m concentrating on my work,
1781
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,359
which I've always done. I
keep saying I’ve retired.
1782
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,439
There’s one or two people I’d like to fight
who can give me that good fight.
1783
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:58,720
But it's having that time off work.
1784
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,279
It's not the money,
you know, for the fighting and things.
1785
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,760
But I just, I do miss it.
1786
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,960
I do miss it.
1787
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,720
The new middleweight, UK champion, Dave Radford!
1788
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,880
Someone shouted me the other day,
asking me to fight.
1789
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,879
And the money what they offered me.
1790
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,800
I get in a month anyway at work.
1791
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,199
And so that doesn’t interests me.
1792
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,759
And I don't fight for money.
1793
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,239
I fight for the enjoyment,
It sounds funny saying enjoyment.
1794
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,800
I like to have a good old scrap
1795
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,920
So that people will talk about that
1796
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,639
If I knock him out first round
1797
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:39,479
It’s over and done with
1798
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:40,439
Nobody really talks about it.
1799
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:44,280
But if you have a brutal,
you know, good old scrap,
1800
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,559
then it's talked about for a long time
people will say, the second fight with
1801
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,719
James McCrory, brilliant fight.
1802
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,119
If I could fight again, I want the
exactly the same fight as that
1803
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:54,560
to happen.
1804
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,400
and that's what makes me
want to fight again still because
1805
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:01,239
I think there’s another couple
of fights left in me.
1806
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,280
But it's having that time
off work and things
1807
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,159
I’m happy in a way with work
1808
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,760
but I’m like that with the fighting game.
1809
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,880
My plans now for future is,
1810
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,600
you know, I've always been 100% with work
so I'm going to be happy with work
1811
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:44,639
I’ve a lot
1812
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,600
hell of a lot to do with this place
down here, we’ve
1813
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,080
we've done inside.
1814
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,000
And now there’s hell of a lot of work to
do on the outside, on the land.
1815
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,239
I've got some road chippings over there.
1816
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,959
There's, there's only 60 tonnes.
1817
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,039
So I won't take me long with the wheelbarrow.
1818
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,280
Trouble is that might get you fit and you
might want to come out of retirement.
1819
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:03,919
But then we've
1820
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,959
got erm, within next couple of years
we are planning a wedding aren’t we
1821
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,119
Yeah, yeah.
1822
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,199
We just got get a date ready haven’t we.
1823
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:10,679
A date.
1824
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,480
and you've asked George already
to be your best man.
1825
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,040
George to be my best man,
the screaming skull.
1826
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,960
We did say we were just gonna
have a quiet wedding, but,
1827
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,760
you can’t have a quiet wedding
when you have a family like mine.
1828
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,320
I'm now going to ask you to think back
to the very start of this biography,
1829
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,280
to the question that was posed,
1830
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,360
that being, who holds the power?
1831
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,400
Is it the beast or is it the jailer?
1832
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:53,600
However,
1833
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,200
whoever holds the power to hold the key
1834
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:59,960
that will grant the beast freedom
1835
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:04,040
allowing it to rise, to manifest
1836
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,920
for one of two reasons...
1837
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,800
either in the defense of others,
1838
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,640
or to meet a mutual challenge.
1839
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:17,840
But be assured,
1840
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,800
this does not signal the final act
1841
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,679
or the last page turned.
1842
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,080
There will be other chapters to come.
1843
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,160
As with most things in life,
there is often a caveat,
1844
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,560
a disclaimer, and Dave Radford
holds one himself.
1845
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:47,400
One that is best said using
his very own words.
1846
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,800
Those words being.
1847
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,879
Please don't take my kindness for a sign
1848
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,120
of weakness
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