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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:07,224 - A gruesome Christmastime disaster tonight. 2 00:00:07,311 --> 00:00:09,661 A quiet Scottish village an inferno 3 00:00:09,748 --> 00:00:13,187 of flames after a Pan American jumbo jet went off the radar 4 00:00:13,274 --> 00:00:15,232 and went down in the village center. 5 00:00:15,319 --> 00:00:17,930 - It was the largest crime scene in history. 6 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:22,500 - In a few short, violent moments, 270 people died. 7 00:00:22,587 --> 00:00:26,113 # # 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,940 - We suspected that a bomb could 9 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:28,985 have brought the plane down. 10 00:00:29,072 --> 00:00:33,033 # # 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,774 747s don't fall out of the sky. 12 00:00:35,861 --> 00:00:41,041 # # 13 00:00:41,128 --> 00:00:42,781 - The magnitude of what had happened 14 00:00:42,868 --> 00:00:46,394 was just something that you couldn't fathom. 15 00:00:46,481 --> 00:00:51,355 You have a 747 spread over 845 square miles. 16 00:00:51,442 --> 00:00:55,142 # # 17 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:57,318 You have 270 people that were murdered. 18 00:00:57,405 --> 00:00:59,102 # # 19 00:01:00,234 --> 00:01:03,063 My baby! 20 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:06,022 # # 21 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:11,114 - Pan Am 103 was the greatest loss of life for Americans 22 00:01:11,201 --> 00:01:12,724 during the commission of a terrorist attack. 23 00:01:12,811 --> 00:01:17,294 # # 24 00:01:17,381 --> 00:01:20,645 No FBI agent had ever worked a murder case 25 00:01:20,732 --> 00:01:22,125 with 190 victims. 26 00:01:22,212 --> 00:01:24,170 # # 27 00:01:24,258 --> 00:01:27,739 The target of that attack was the United States of America. 28 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:30,002 As an American, I want to find out who did this. 29 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:33,005 # # 30 00:01:37,271 --> 00:01:40,448 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 31 00:01:40,535 --> 00:01:43,407 # # 32 00:01:43,494 --> 00:01:44,756 Drug busts, 33 00:01:44,843 --> 00:01:47,803 mob stings, 34 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:49,544 terrorist takedowns. 35 00:01:49,631 --> 00:01:51,763 - Get down! Get down! 36 00:01:51,850 --> 00:01:53,939 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 37 00:01:54,026 --> 00:01:54,940 - Mark it. 38 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:56,594 - Freeze! - FBI. 39 00:01:56,681 --> 00:01:58,335 - FBI! - Action! 40 00:01:58,422 --> 00:02:00,163 - But they don't know the half of it. 41 00:02:02,034 --> 00:02:04,124 What really goes down, 42 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,082 we save that for each other 43 00:02:06,169 --> 00:02:08,431 when we're talking agent-to-agent. 44 00:02:08,519 --> 00:02:11,305 # # 45 00:02:11,392 --> 00:02:14,569 This is "FBI True." 46 00:02:21,489 --> 00:02:22,751 - Hal, where were you when you first heard 47 00:02:22,838 --> 00:02:24,666 of the crash of Pan Am 103? 48 00:02:24,753 --> 00:02:28,278 - Kristy Kottis is a 24-year veteran of the FBI. 49 00:02:28,365 --> 00:02:31,325 She worked gangs, crimes against children, 50 00:02:31,412 --> 00:02:33,196 as well as human and drug trafficking. 51 00:02:33,283 --> 00:02:35,807 - I was actually flying from Washington, D.C., 52 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:38,680 to Louisville, Kentucky, with who is now my wife. 53 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:41,378 And we were headed back for Christmas when I landed, 54 00:02:41,465 --> 00:02:43,685 and my dad asked me why I was there. 55 00:02:43,772 --> 00:02:45,513 He said, the field office has been trying to get a hold of me 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,471 all day. 57 00:02:47,558 --> 00:02:50,387 - Hal Hendershot is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 58 00:02:50,474 --> 00:02:52,694 He mostly worked counterintelligence, 59 00:02:52,781 --> 00:02:55,262 counterterrorism, and cybercrimes. 60 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:58,569 - I was in the counterterrorism section at FBI Headquarters. 61 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:01,093 - Dick Marquise followed in his father's footsteps 62 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:04,271 by joining the FBI in 1971. 63 00:03:04,358 --> 00:03:06,011 Dick retired as the special agent 64 00:03:06,098 --> 00:03:10,755 in charge of the Oklahoma City field office 29 years later. 65 00:03:10,842 --> 00:03:13,236 - I started to hear rumors early afternoon 66 00:03:13,323 --> 00:03:16,413 that a Pan Am flight had crashed over Lockerbie. 67 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,720 - Rescue teams from all over Britain 68 00:03:18,807 --> 00:03:21,026 are heading for the scene of what looks to be Britain's 69 00:03:21,113 --> 00:03:25,944 worst air crash tonight. 70 00:03:26,031 --> 00:03:28,338 - The plane crashed on the outskirts of Lockerbie. 71 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:31,559 Witnesses have described a huge fireball. 72 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:34,301 - It was evening in Scotland, and it wasn't 73 00:03:34,388 --> 00:03:37,042 until the next morning that we started to understand 74 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:39,001 the enormity of the crash. 75 00:03:39,088 --> 00:03:41,351 - A crater 20 feet deep marks the spot 76 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:45,355 near the main Glasgow Road where the jumbo jet came down. 77 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:48,663 - We had no idea what happened to that airplane 78 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:50,142 Was it an explosion? 79 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,666 Did it malfunction? 80 00:03:51,753 --> 00:03:54,408 747s don't fall out of the sky. 81 00:03:54,495 --> 00:03:59,326 # # 82 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:02,067 We had obtained passenger records from Pan AM 83 00:04:02,154 --> 00:04:03,721 and discovered that there were 84 00:04:03,808 --> 00:04:06,637 190 Americans on that aircraft-- 85 00:04:06,724 --> 00:04:09,379 # # 86 00:04:09,466 --> 00:04:11,860 - --including 35 students from Syracuse. 87 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:17,168 # # 88 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:20,956 My baby! 89 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:26,657 # # 90 00:04:26,744 --> 00:04:28,746 - The families came here to Kennedy Airport 91 00:04:28,832 --> 00:04:32,054 throughout the evening looking for any word for confirmation 92 00:04:32,141 --> 00:04:33,795 of what they already knew. 93 00:04:33,882 --> 00:04:36,667 For the next of kin, it is a torture. 94 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:38,103 - Oh, my baby. 95 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:39,844 - I'll take her. 96 00:04:39,931 --> 00:04:43,500 # # 97 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:45,197 - So when I got down to Lockerbie-- 98 00:04:45,284 --> 00:04:46,938 Lockerbie is a very small town. 99 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:54,250 I see multiple debris fields. 100 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:58,472 # # 101 00:04:58,558 --> 00:05:01,257 There were three residential areas in the town that 102 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:02,824 had been hit by the plane. 103 00:05:02,911 --> 00:05:10,571 # # 104 00:05:10,658 --> 00:05:12,616 There were 11 residents in Scotland that perished. 105 00:05:12,703 --> 00:05:18,448 # # 106 00:05:18,535 --> 00:05:20,581 We were still picking up human remains out 107 00:05:20,668 --> 00:05:22,539 of the massive debris field. 108 00:05:22,626 --> 00:05:24,933 Ultimately, it was about 841 square miles. 109 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:27,936 # # 110 00:05:28,023 --> 00:05:30,765 - It was the largest crime scene in history. 111 00:05:30,852 --> 00:05:35,987 # # 112 00:05:36,074 --> 00:05:38,425 And at that point, the most significant thing 113 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:42,385 that we could do was to help identify those 190 Americans 114 00:05:42,472 --> 00:05:46,041 that were on that airplane. 115 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:47,347 - Wow. 116 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:49,392 So it was pretty jarring to see all that. 117 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:52,787 - It's one of those things that will live with you forever. 118 00:05:52,874 --> 00:05:58,749 # # 119 00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:00,795 I went out in the field with the crime scene guys. 120 00:06:00,882 --> 00:06:02,666 # # 121 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:05,016 If it wasn't a leaf or a piece of grass, 122 00:06:05,103 --> 00:06:05,756 you generally picked it up. 123 00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:10,761 # # 124 00:06:10,848 --> 00:06:13,503 - The Scottish cops, this small police force 125 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:16,854 did a job of collecting and preserving the evidence 126 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:19,074 as well as any agency in the world. 127 00:06:19,161 --> 00:06:22,730 # # 128 00:06:22,817 --> 00:06:25,036 - When do we start seeing more information 129 00:06:25,123 --> 00:06:26,211 come that's letting us put a picture 130 00:06:26,298 --> 00:06:27,865 together of what happened? 131 00:06:27,952 --> 00:06:30,607 - Tom Thurman, who was in our explosives unit, 132 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:34,698 traveled to Scotland, and he noticed 133 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:38,398 a piece of baggage container that had explosive damage. 134 00:06:38,485 --> 00:06:39,790 # # 135 00:06:39,877 --> 00:06:42,010 There were some telltale signs of a bomb. 136 00:06:42,097 --> 00:06:46,406 # # 137 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:48,625 Several days after Christmas, the Air Accidents 138 00:06:48,712 --> 00:06:51,019 Investigation branch in the U.K. announced 139 00:06:51,106 --> 00:06:52,629 it was not a malfunction. 140 00:06:52,716 --> 00:06:54,718 It was an explosive that brought the plane down. 141 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:58,679 - It has been established that two parts of the metal luggage 142 00:06:58,766 --> 00:07:02,857 pallet framework show conclusive evidence of 143 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:08,166 a detonating high explosive. 144 00:07:08,253 --> 00:07:10,821 - The FBI had the responsibility 145 00:07:10,908 --> 00:07:13,694 to collect evidence and prosecute people 146 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:16,566 who killed Americans overseas in the commission 147 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,133 of a terrorist attack. 148 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:20,614 We sent agents to London, to Lockerbie, 149 00:07:20,701 --> 00:07:22,442 and to Frankfurt, Germany. 150 00:07:22,529 --> 00:07:24,792 That's where the plane originated. 151 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:26,663 The flight went from Frankfurt to London, 152 00:07:26,750 --> 00:07:28,273 where they changed aircraft. 153 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,232 It was going to go on to New York 154 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:33,757 and continue on to Detroit. 155 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:35,629 You start to gather all the pieces, 156 00:07:35,716 --> 00:07:38,196 and you say, who are our suspects? 157 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:40,460 And initially, we had several. 158 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,723 There was a history of terrorists 159 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:44,464 blowing up airplanes. 160 00:07:44,551 --> 00:07:48,859 The primary suspect was a group called the PFLP-GC in Germany. 161 00:07:51,949 --> 00:07:58,695 # # 162 00:07:58,782 --> 00:08:00,784 The previous October, 16 of them 163 00:08:00,871 --> 00:08:03,308 had been arrested by the German BKA. 164 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:04,745 They'd been arrested. 165 00:08:04,832 --> 00:08:07,748 They'd been charged with preparing bombs to be used 166 00:08:07,835 --> 00:08:12,317 against aviation, and in particular, 167 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:18,062 a Toshiba Bomb Beat radio 168 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:20,369 that had plastic explosive in it 169 00:08:20,456 --> 00:08:23,720 and a barometric timer designed to not go off until they 170 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:28,638 got up above about 20,000 feet. 171 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:32,033 # # 172 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,251 We're also looking at the Libyans. 173 00:08:34,338 --> 00:08:41,042 # # 174 00:08:41,129 --> 00:08:42,826 The Libyans had targeted Americans 175 00:08:42,913 --> 00:08:45,437 in a terrorist bombing in Germany. 176 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:48,528 - On April 5th in West Berlin, a terrorist 177 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:51,052 bomb exploded in a nightclub frequented 178 00:08:51,139 --> 00:08:53,010 by American servicemen. 179 00:08:53,097 --> 00:08:55,622 Sergeant Kenneth Ford and a young Turkish woman 180 00:08:55,709 --> 00:08:58,929 were killed, and 230 others were wounded. 181 00:08:59,016 --> 00:09:01,192 - The Libyans were upset with the United States 182 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,543 because Ronald Reagan had retaliated 183 00:09:03,630 --> 00:09:05,719 for the nightclub bombing and bombed 184 00:09:05,806 --> 00:09:08,548 what we call Gaddafi's Tent in 1986. 185 00:09:08,635 --> 00:09:10,724 - The United States launched a series 186 00:09:10,811 --> 00:09:12,900 of strikes against the headquarters, 187 00:09:12,987 --> 00:09:15,903 terrorist facilities, and military assets 188 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:19,036 that support Muammar Gaddafi's subversive activities. 189 00:09:19,123 --> 00:09:22,344 - And inside that tent was a young girl, 190 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:24,825 who Gaddafi claimed as his daughter. 191 00:09:24,912 --> 00:09:26,566 - We had the Iranians, who were not happy 192 00:09:26,653 --> 00:09:28,176 with the United States, 193 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:31,005 because of the shootdown by the USS "Vincennes" 194 00:09:31,092 --> 00:09:35,009 of an Iran Airbus in July of 1988. 195 00:09:35,096 --> 00:09:37,489 - Iranian-US relations are at a flashpoint tonight. 196 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,665 The United States accidentally shot down 197 00:09:39,753 --> 00:09:42,538 an Iran Air jet, a civilian airplane 198 00:09:42,625 --> 00:09:44,627 with some 300 people on board. 199 00:09:44,714 --> 00:09:47,021 All are believed to have died. 200 00:09:47,108 --> 00:09:49,110 - So those were three of the main suspects 201 00:09:49,197 --> 00:09:50,459 we were considering, 202 00:09:50,546 --> 00:09:53,854 the PFLP-GC, Libya, and Iran. 203 00:09:53,941 --> 00:09:56,421 - What other pieces of evidence are we finding? 204 00:09:56,508 --> 00:09:59,642 - Inside of the baggage container that our bomb expert 205 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:02,471 determined had explosive patterns on it, 206 00:10:02,558 --> 00:10:05,343 we picked up a circuit board fragment about the size 207 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:08,259 of the end of your finger. 208 00:10:08,346 --> 00:10:10,044 - And that circuit board was 209 00:10:10,131 --> 00:10:13,917 later traced to a Toshiba radio, not the same model 210 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:17,094 as was seized in Germany, but very similar. 211 00:10:17,181 --> 00:10:21,751 # # 212 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:24,275 So this caused us to say, 213 00:10:24,362 --> 00:10:26,626 this had to have been the PFLP-GC. 214 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:32,066 # # 215 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:35,504 - To find something, that tiny a piece of evidence. 216 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:37,898 - It's from the tenacity of the people 217 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:39,595 involved in the investigation. 218 00:10:39,682 --> 00:10:40,727 - And then we had a monkey wrench 219 00:10:40,814 --> 00:10:42,467 thrown into us in January. 220 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:45,035 Some unknown person walked into the U.S. embassy 221 00:10:45,122 --> 00:10:46,950 in Vienna, Austria, 222 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:49,170 and he left a letter for the ambassador. 223 00:10:49,257 --> 00:10:52,260 The letter seems to implicate Gaddafi and the Libyans 224 00:10:52,347 --> 00:10:54,697 in connection with the bombing of Pan Am 103, 225 00:10:54,784 --> 00:10:57,613 but it didn't provide any actual evidence. 226 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:00,137 There were really no leads coming from that. 227 00:11:00,224 --> 00:11:03,663 We said, let's put this away for another day. 228 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:07,492 # # 229 00:11:07,579 --> 00:11:10,582 The Scots started finding fragments of a suitcase 230 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:13,194 that was blown to smithereens. 231 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:16,284 # # 232 00:11:16,371 --> 00:11:18,503 These were all parts of the same suitcase that 233 00:11:18,590 --> 00:11:21,245 were identified by Samsonite. 234 00:11:21,332 --> 00:11:23,030 And they identified it by the lock. 235 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:26,816 # # 236 00:11:26,903 --> 00:11:28,905 We believe the suitcase had the bomb in it. 237 00:11:28,992 --> 00:11:33,823 # # 238 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:35,738 - They do a lot of forensic work. 239 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:38,393 They find the cardboard box, instruction manual 240 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,395 for the radio, and plastic 241 00:11:40,482 --> 00:11:42,092 from the outer case of the radio 242 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:45,008 all blasted into the clothing in a sandwich, 243 00:11:45,095 --> 00:11:47,010 and they slowly peel that apart. 244 00:11:47,097 --> 00:11:51,928 So that helped identify what clothing was in the bomb bag. 245 00:11:52,015 --> 00:11:54,801 - The clothing they were finding, a lot of them had 246 00:11:54,888 --> 00:11:56,106 "Made in Malta" tags on them. 247 00:11:56,193 --> 00:12:00,937 # # 248 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:02,417 This is a new avenue. 249 00:12:02,504 --> 00:12:03,940 How did Malta fit into this? 250 00:12:04,027 --> 00:12:07,988 # # 251 00:12:08,075 --> 00:12:10,120 And we were able to get even more specific 252 00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:11,731 than the country of Malta. 253 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:14,821 Some of the clothing tags had a lot number 254 00:12:14,908 --> 00:12:16,910 on them, which was traced to a store 255 00:12:16,997 --> 00:12:20,435 there called Mary's House. 256 00:12:20,522 --> 00:12:23,525 The Scottish cops sent a police officer to Malta, 257 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:26,658 and he had interviewed a man who had sold 258 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:29,183 some of the clothing we had recovered at Lockerbie. 259 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:32,490 And the most significant thing he told us was this guy 260 00:12:32,577 --> 00:12:34,101 had a Libyan accent. 261 00:12:34,188 --> 00:12:39,193 # # 262 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,588 And he provided possible dates when he bought the clothing. 263 00:12:43,675 --> 00:12:45,765 And so, all of a sudden, we've got a lead, 264 00:12:45,852 --> 00:12:48,680 and we send an FBI artist to Malta 265 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:51,640 to get a sketch of the person that bought the clothing. 266 00:12:51,727 --> 00:12:59,474 # # 267 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:03,260 Well, the exact same time, the chief constables from Scotland 268 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:06,960 told us about a baggage record from Frankfurt Airport 269 00:13:07,047 --> 00:13:10,050 that shows that on December 21, 1988, 270 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:14,619 a single bag had transited from Malta to Frankfurt, 271 00:13:14,706 --> 00:13:17,361 and was sent to the gate where Pan Am 103 272 00:13:17,448 --> 00:13:18,710 was loading baggage. 273 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:23,237 # # 274 00:13:23,324 --> 00:13:24,847 - So at this point, you're starting to think, oh, 275 00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:26,675 the other leads we thought it was, 276 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:27,850 turning out maybe not so much. 277 00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:30,722 - We had investigated the PFLP-GC. 278 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:33,682 # # 279 00:13:33,769 --> 00:13:36,946 The German police had gone back into one of the apartments 280 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:38,600 that they had searched before. 281 00:13:38,687 --> 00:13:40,254 They found more devices. 282 00:13:40,341 --> 00:13:42,299 One of the devices blew up and killed 283 00:13:42,386 --> 00:13:43,126 one of their technicians. 284 00:13:43,213 --> 00:13:44,649 - Oh, wow. 285 00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:46,303 - And as a result of that, we had 286 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:48,828 renewed focus on the PFLP-GC. 287 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:50,307 Now, all of a sudden, we're in Malta. 288 00:13:50,394 --> 00:13:51,439 We have a quandary. 289 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:52,875 We don't know where to go. 290 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:56,009 # # 291 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,580 - In the Washington field office, 292 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:04,713 there were two photographs on the wall. 293 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,063 Number one was the tail cone of Pan Am 103 294 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:08,282 with the American flag. 295 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:12,112 # # 296 00:14:12,199 --> 00:14:14,375 Number two, it was a picture of a baby shoe. 297 00:14:14,462 --> 00:14:21,251 # # 298 00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:24,298 We all had kids, and we said, that is horrible. 299 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:28,345 # # 300 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:30,478 Those kids never got a chance to live life. 301 00:14:30,565 --> 00:14:33,307 # # 302 00:14:33,394 --> 00:14:35,265 But we had to keep everybody motivated. 303 00:14:35,352 --> 00:14:37,702 Those pictures really did it. 304 00:14:37,789 --> 00:14:41,054 # # 305 00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:44,361 January 1990, Stuart Henderson, the senior investigating 306 00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:49,410 officer, showed me a photograph of this small fragment-- 307 00:14:49,497 --> 00:14:52,195 smaller than the one Hal described for the radio. 308 00:14:52,282 --> 00:14:56,112 # # 309 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:57,722 The Scots spent six months, 310 00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,334 they went to 55 companies, 311 00:15:00,421 --> 00:15:03,206 17 countries to try to identify the fragment. 312 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:07,907 But in June of 1990, they allowed the FBI 313 00:15:07,994 --> 00:15:09,996 and our forensics guy, Tom Thurman, 314 00:15:10,083 --> 00:15:12,259 to take it out to his sources. 315 00:15:12,346 --> 00:15:13,303 And he went to the CIA. 316 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:16,002 # # 317 00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:18,526 The CIA said, "I've got something 318 00:15:18,613 --> 00:15:20,049 that looks like that." 319 00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:21,921 A green circuit board with that little-- looks 320 00:15:22,008 --> 00:15:25,925 like a one up in the corner. 321 00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:28,405 It is not a barometric timer. 322 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:29,972 It's a straight timer. 323 00:15:30,059 --> 00:15:33,236 # # 324 00:15:33,323 --> 00:15:35,673 You set it for 10 hours, it goes off in 10 hours. 325 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,892 - Wow. 326 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:38,676 - We had the Scots come back over. 327 00:15:38,763 --> 00:15:40,243 They brought the fragment. 328 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:42,332 They looked at it in the FBI laboratory, 329 00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:45,205 compared it to the actual timer that we had, 330 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:46,946 and they agreed. 331 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:48,077 These are identical. 332 00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:51,602 # # 333 00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:52,908 - It was very exciting. 334 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:55,911 We at least now had another avenue 335 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:57,652 to investigate to hopefully take us 336 00:15:57,739 --> 00:15:59,480 down to actually who did this. 337 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:02,744 - When Tom Thurman took apart that actual timer 338 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:04,441 that he'd gotten from the agency, 339 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,878 there were two circuit boards on that timer. 340 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,750 When he took one of them off, 341 00:16:08,837 --> 00:16:09,620 there was something scratched out. 342 00:16:09,707 --> 00:16:12,058 # # 343 00:16:12,145 --> 00:16:14,190 Turned out to be MEBO, which were 344 00:16:14,277 --> 00:16:16,758 the initials of Meister and Bollier, 345 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:18,847 a company in Zurich, Switzerland. 346 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:26,159 # # 347 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:30,424 - We ultimately invited Bollier over to the United States 348 00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:34,471 to meet with us at Quantico, Virginia 349 00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:36,299 at the Training Academy. 350 00:16:36,386 --> 00:16:38,388 - When he comes to the United States, 351 00:16:38,475 --> 00:16:40,477 he's going to tell us a couple of things that are 352 00:16:40,564 --> 00:16:42,175 going to knock our socks off. 353 00:16:42,262 --> 00:16:44,873 # # 354 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,137 First of all, he identifies that small fragment 355 00:16:48,224 --> 00:16:52,446 as being from one of the timers they built for 356 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:54,448 and delivered to the Libyans. 357 00:16:54,535 --> 00:16:58,234 Only 20 timers were ever made, 20, 358 00:16:58,321 --> 00:17:00,584 all of them given to Libyan intelligence, 359 00:17:00,671 --> 00:17:03,152 personally delivered by Mr. Bollier. 360 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:06,155 He said, I cannot believe you found my timer 361 00:17:06,242 --> 00:17:07,722 in that big crime scene. 362 00:17:07,809 --> 00:17:11,030 I thought you found me because of that letter 363 00:17:11,117 --> 00:17:14,903 I left at the embassy in Vienna in 1989. 364 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:16,383 - Oh, wow 365 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:17,732 - And we all went, what? 366 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:18,428 - That was you? 367 00:17:18,515 --> 00:17:23,128 # # 368 00:17:23,215 --> 00:17:25,566 - We didn't track him down because of the letter. 369 00:17:25,653 --> 00:17:28,002 We tracked him down because of this timer fragment. 370 00:17:28,089 --> 00:17:29,396 So you got two connections. 371 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:31,615 - Oh, yeah. 372 00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:32,790 - And then you got connections to Libya, so we're thinking, 373 00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:33,835 this is a big deal. 374 00:17:33,922 --> 00:17:37,143 # # 375 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:40,320 One of the things that Bollier told us was that a man 376 00:17:40,407 --> 00:17:43,279 by the name of Megrahi, he's got an office 377 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:46,935 in my office space in Zurich. 378 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,154 where I've been doing business with him. 379 00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:51,026 He's one of my contacts in Libya. 380 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:53,942 While Bollier was in Washington being interviewed, 381 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:56,771 the same week the shopkeeper in Malta 382 00:17:56,858 --> 00:17:59,165 that sold the clothing to the Libyan 383 00:17:59,252 --> 00:18:00,905 was shown a photograph of Megrahi. 384 00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:05,084 # # 385 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:06,998 The photograph was a passport picture, 386 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,218 and it was a little bit old. 387 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:12,003 We had shown the shopkeeper hundreds of pictures, 388 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,005 and he had never identified anybody as being the guy 389 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:15,137 that bought the clothing. 390 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:16,660 He looked at that picture. 391 00:18:16,747 --> 00:18:18,401 If this guy was a little bit older, 392 00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:20,229 that would be the guy that bought the clothes. 393 00:18:20,316 --> 00:18:24,755 # # 394 00:18:24,842 --> 00:18:26,279 We check the database. 395 00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:28,107 We have a passport record. 396 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:31,501 Megrahi had been in Malta the day 397 00:18:31,588 --> 00:18:33,590 we think the clothing was purchased. 398 00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:36,941 Looking at travel records, we tied Megrahi to a guy 399 00:18:37,028 --> 00:18:39,944 by the name of Fhimah, who was a station manager for 400 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:43,209 Libyan Arab Airlines in Malta. 401 00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:45,428 And all of a sudden, we have a connection to the airport. 402 00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:48,866 # # 403 00:18:48,953 --> 00:18:52,696 We had developed a lot of information that tied Fhimah 404 00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:55,003 to the bombing as well, because one of the things 405 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:56,657 that we found in his office 406 00:18:56,744 --> 00:18:59,138 that he had left behind-- he had gone back to Libya-- 407 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:02,880 was a notation in his diary that said, 408 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:05,013 "Get tags from the Malta airline," 409 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,451 the week before the bombing. 410 00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:10,801 Is it possible he could help get a bag on the plane? 411 00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:12,499 We didn't know, but we suspected that. 412 00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:17,112 # # 413 00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:21,116 In July of 1991, I got a phone call from Washington field 414 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:22,596 office, the agent in charge. 415 00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:25,468 And he said, the CIA just called and said 416 00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:31,605 that they have a source, Majid, 417 00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:35,043 in a boat on his way to a U.S. ship. 418 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,264 You need to immediately go to the middle of the Mediterranean 419 00:19:38,351 --> 00:19:40,222 and interview this guy. 420 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:46,620 - We flew to Italy and flew out to the ship. 421 00:19:46,707 --> 00:19:48,491 One of the things Majid told us was 422 00:19:48,578 --> 00:19:51,015 that he was a Libyan intelligence officer signed 423 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:54,584 to Libyan Airlines in Malta. 424 00:19:54,671 --> 00:19:57,718 - And he told us Mr. Megrahi was 425 00:19:57,805 --> 00:20:00,068 a member of the Libyan Intelligence Service. 426 00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:01,852 That was significant. 427 00:20:01,939 --> 00:20:05,682 He tells us that Fhimah kept explosives in his desk. 428 00:20:05,769 --> 00:20:07,118 You remember the-- - At work? 429 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,294 - --photo spread we showed him? 430 00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:09,556 What did he pick out? 431 00:20:09,643 --> 00:20:10,861 - Semtex. 432 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:15,649 - Picked out Semtex. 433 00:20:15,736 --> 00:20:17,912 And then he talks about seeing Megrahi 434 00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:19,740 and Fhimah at the airport with this 435 00:20:19,827 --> 00:20:21,568 brown, hard-sided suitcase. 436 00:20:21,655 --> 00:20:24,005 And we showed him photo spreads of the suitcase. 437 00:20:24,092 --> 00:20:27,661 He picked out the Samsonite, the same model of suitcase 438 00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:30,272 that we believe the bomb was transported in. 439 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,449 And the decision is made by the Justice Department. 440 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:36,583 The source, Majid, could be a witness. 441 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:39,629 We always felt that Megrahi was the intelligence officer. 442 00:20:39,716 --> 00:20:42,589 # # 443 00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:45,853 He was the big guy that would tie it directly to Gaddafi. 444 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,421 # # 445 00:20:48,508 --> 00:20:51,772 This told us that the Libyans did it. 446 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:57,952 # # 447 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,128 The indictments of Megrahi and Fhimah 448 00:21:00,215 --> 00:21:02,826 were returned in November 1991, 449 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:05,568 both in Scotland and in the United States. 450 00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:09,224 - We charged that two Libyan officials, 451 00:21:09,311 --> 00:21:13,359 acting as operatives of the Libyan Intelligence Service, 452 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:15,274 along with other co-conspirators, 453 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:17,493 planted and detonated the bomb 454 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:21,018 that destroyed Pan Am Flight 103. 455 00:21:21,105 --> 00:21:23,456 - Shortly after the indictments were announced, 456 00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:25,196 Megrahi and Fhimah were interviewed 457 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,938 by an American reporter, and they denied 458 00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:29,113 any involvement in the attack. 459 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:36,599 - I work for the airlines. 460 00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:38,949 Those tags are readily available on the counter. 461 00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:40,560 Anybody can pick them up. 462 00:21:40,647 --> 00:21:43,563 - In 1999, Gaddafi turned Megrahi and Fhimah 463 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:46,957 over to the Scots to be tried in a Scottish court sitting 464 00:21:47,044 --> 00:21:48,350 in the Netherlands, a neutral site. 465 00:21:48,437 --> 00:21:53,355 # # 466 00:21:53,442 --> 00:21:55,749 And they went to the Scottish court for a trial 467 00:21:55,836 --> 00:21:57,577 because they did not face the death penalty, 468 00:21:57,664 --> 00:21:59,796 something they would face in the United States. 469 00:21:59,883 --> 00:22:03,191 # # 470 00:22:03,278 --> 00:22:06,412 - Trial starts in May of 2000. 471 00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,980 # # 472 00:22:10,067 --> 00:22:11,895 And the verdict is announced right 473 00:22:11,982 --> 00:22:14,245 at the end of January 2001. 474 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:21,383 # # 475 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:35,397 - After waiting 12 years, 476 00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:38,139 it was some level of justice. 477 00:22:38,226 --> 00:22:41,185 # # 478 00:22:41,272 --> 00:22:45,233 Obviously, you can never bring your kid back. 479 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:52,371 # # 480 00:23:01,467 --> 00:23:02,903 - So the case is closed? 481 00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:04,557 - Not exactly. 482 00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:07,821 One of the people that Majid, our witness, 483 00:23:07,908 --> 00:23:10,519 was providing information about was a guy by the name 484 00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:12,478 of Abu Agila Mas'ud-- 485 00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:15,176 # # 486 00:23:15,263 --> 00:23:17,178 - --tech expert. 487 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:19,354 And we sort of suspected, he may have been 488 00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:20,660 the guy that armed the bomb. 489 00:23:20,747 --> 00:23:23,140 # # 490 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,839 Mas'ud was arrested by the FBI in Libya 491 00:23:25,926 --> 00:23:29,103 and brought to the United States in late 2022, 492 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:32,889 and his trial is supposed to start in June 2025. 493 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:39,374 # # 494 00:23:39,461 --> 00:23:42,159 - When I look back on this case, 495 00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:45,728 I look back with a sense of sorrow for the families, 496 00:23:45,815 --> 00:23:49,732 a sense of pride that we were able to come together 497 00:23:49,819 --> 00:23:52,561 as a community across intelligence and law 498 00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:55,259 enforcement field around the world, 499 00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,653 and a sense of accomplishment. 500 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:58,959 We got a conviction. 501 00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:01,048 - I never knew any of the victims, 502 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:04,704 but I know many of the families. 503 00:24:04,791 --> 00:24:07,228 I've known these people half my life. 504 00:24:10,318 --> 00:24:15,018 # # 505 00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:18,718 Every year, I attend the memorial service 506 00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:21,938 at the Cairn at Arlington National Cemetery 507 00:24:22,025 --> 00:24:25,115 to pay homage to them that never got the chance 508 00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:26,943 to live a full life. 509 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:34,081 # # 36866

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