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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:49,924 --> 00:00:53,718 A lot of people feel like the police don't really care, 4 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:56,556 about murders within the urban communities. 5 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:02,520 But this should've been different. 6 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:05,523 This is a person who people idolize. 7 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:11,154 You're talkin' 'bout a man who's affected millions of people. 8 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:14,781 He was a larger-than-life figure, he was Jam Master Jay, ya know, 9 00:01:14,782 --> 00:01:17,325 from the world famous Run-DMC group. 10 00:01:18,577 --> 00:01:20,912 Run-DMC was like the Beatles. 11 00:01:20,913 --> 00:01:24,042 They was the pioneers, the first to go platinum, the first on Rolling Stone, 12 00:01:24,209 --> 00:01:25,835 they was the first of everything. 13 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:30,713 Groups within hip-hop would not be as popular and signature, 14 00:01:30,714 --> 00:01:34,010 if it wasn't for Run-DMC and Jam Master Jay. 15 00:01:35,845 --> 00:01:39,097 Jay was the one who made the beats, who kept the party going. 16 00:01:39,098 --> 00:01:41,851 He's the one that hyped them up, spinnin' and cuttin'. 17 00:01:42,143 --> 00:01:45,480 He really cut the records to heighten the poetry. 18 00:01:45,855 --> 00:01:47,440 Jay was a one man band, 19 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:50,276 and he was the greatest that ever did it. 20 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:55,657 Jason William Mizell, AKA Jam Master Jay, 21 00:01:55,782 --> 00:01:57,408 was gunned down last night. 22 00:01:57,826 --> 00:02:01,577 Police say two men buzzed into Mizell's studio shot and killed-- 23 00:02:01,578 --> 00:02:04,122 Whoever was in the studio, at the time, 24 00:02:04,123 --> 00:02:07,252 they are the only five that know who killed my brother. 25 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:10,338 We had 50, 60 different tips, 26 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,298 all takin' some totally different angles on what occurred. 27 00:02:14,299 --> 00:02:15,883 {\an8} There was a feeling that 28 00:02:15,884 --> 00:02:19,053 {\an8}the security cameras had been tampered with. 29 00:02:19,054 --> 00:02:22,306 {\an8} If I gotta go through every borough, every street, every block, 30 00:02:22,307 --> 00:02:24,227 {\an8}I'ma find out who killed Jay. 31 00:02:24,602 --> 00:02:26,269 People feel like it's an inside job, 32 00:02:26,270 --> 00:02:29,021 which is why they point back to the people who was within that studio. 33 00:02:29,022 --> 00:02:31,941 {\an8}Yes, there were a number of individuals, who would probably know, 34 00:02:31,942 --> 00:02:33,818 {\an8}exactly what happened, but... 35 00:02:33,819 --> 00:02:35,987 {\an8}you know the Tupac's and the Biggie Smalls'... 36 00:02:35,988 --> 00:02:37,822 {\an8}these are all unsolved crimes, 37 00:02:37,823 --> 00:02:39,407 - and the feeling is that, - 38 00:02:39,408 --> 00:02:41,576 ...the police don't really care. 39 00:02:41,577 --> 00:02:44,036 Urban communities, they don't trust the police at all. 40 00:02:44,037 --> 00:02:45,874 {\an8}What could he have done... 41 00:02:46,416 --> 00:02:48,749 {\an8}that make you want to erase him from the earth? 42 00:02:49,751 --> 00:02:52,589 I'm having a hard time understanding why. 43 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:09,272 {\an8}New York City on the verge of bankruptcy. 44 00:03:09,814 --> 00:03:12,650 New York City got the word today, from President Ford, 45 00:03:12,817 --> 00:03:14,150 "Default if you must, 46 00:03:14,151 --> 00:03:16,777 but don't expect help from the Federal Government." 47 00:03:16,778 --> 00:03:19,407 I am prepared to veto any bill, 48 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:22,702 that has as its purpose, 49 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:27,872 a federal bailout of New York City to prevent a default. 50 00:03:30,168 --> 00:03:33,002 If the Federal Government does not help us, 51 00:03:33,003 --> 00:03:35,504 it will find the problem afterwards, 52 00:03:35,505 --> 00:03:38,551 which it would have to help us with, much more serious. 53 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:41,471 Services in the city are being slashed. 54 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:44,680 Reports of violent crime are on the rise. 55 00:03:44,681 --> 00:03:48,561 You know I can't walk in the streets no more 'cause I might get shot now. 56 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,854 Middle-class residents are fleeing to the suburbs, 57 00:03:51,855 --> 00:03:55,360 while working class black families take their place in the boroughs. 58 00:03:57,946 --> 00:04:00,404 {\an8} Hollis, Queens was a lower middle class neighborhood. 59 00:04:00,405 --> 00:04:02,116 {\an8}People moved from the hood to Hollis. 60 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:04,367 {\an8}Right? Seeking a better life. 61 00:04:04,368 --> 00:04:05,576 I remember moving in, 62 00:04:05,577 --> 00:04:08,623 and I remember the last white family on the block moving out within a week. 63 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:13,086 Hollis, probably was about one mile in each direction. 64 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:14,794 We was a little community. 65 00:04:14,795 --> 00:04:16,756 {\an8}We was one strip, we was one avenue, 66 00:04:17,298 --> 00:04:20,677 {\an8}but we had a global reputation, like Bed-Stuy do or die. 67 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:24,097 All the kids around the hood, that hung up on Hollis Avenue, 68 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:25,765 those kids became the Hollis Crew. 69 00:04:26,683 --> 00:04:28,766 And Jay was in the center of the Hollis Crew. 70 00:04:28,767 --> 00:04:32,438 {\an8}Some of the names of the Hollis Crew members would, be Randy Allen. 71 00:04:33,022 --> 00:04:35,898 {\an8}Randy Allen was a friend of ours that grew up on two, third with us. 72 00:04:35,899 --> 00:04:38,987 {\an8}We all grew up on 203rd street and Jay was a part of that. 73 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:42,238 {\an8}Big D, Big D was a good friend of mine. 74 00:04:42,239 --> 00:04:44,200 {\an8}We were like family, he's like my older brother. 75 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:47,704 {\an8}Big D and Jay, they lived right across the street from each other. 76 00:04:48,496 --> 00:04:51,249 Hurricane, right? DJ Hurricane. 77 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,002 {\an8}If any problems would come, 78 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:57,380 {\an8}from other people outside the neighborhood, 79 00:04:57,755 --> 00:05:00,216 you know, then we would all form like Voltron... 80 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:01,884 and get together, 81 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:04,387 and protect the neighborhood. 82 00:05:04,762 --> 00:05:07,181 As street as Jay was, 83 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:08,766 he was good. 84 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:10,766 He was kinda the peacekeeper, 85 00:05:10,767 --> 00:05:13,938 you wouldn't get your money taken from you if Jay was around. 86 00:05:14,397 --> 00:05:17,481 So you always hoped, when you went to the party Jay was there. 87 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:20,862 Drugs came to Hollis around 1984. 88 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:23,112 Fat Cat and Ken "Supreme" McGriff, 89 00:05:23,113 --> 00:05:25,781 one of the notorious drug dealers in South Jamaica Queens, 90 00:05:25,782 --> 00:05:28,161 and I was actually a part of Fat Cat's crew. 91 00:05:28,286 --> 00:05:29,618 We started off by selling coke. 92 00:05:29,619 --> 00:05:33,166 I made a ton of money at a young age, I was a part of something... 93 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:34,999 that it was like family! 94 00:05:35,917 --> 00:05:39,464 And it felt good because, don't forget, half of us didn't have dads. 95 00:05:39,797 --> 00:05:42,423 Mom having to work, leaving the kids to fend for themselves. 96 00:05:42,424 --> 00:05:45,468 You know how they say, "An idle mind is the devil's workshop"? That's true. 97 00:05:45,469 --> 00:05:48,262 The drug dealers on the corners was our friends, was our homies. 98 00:05:48,263 --> 00:05:50,475 {\an8}Those was our cousins, those was our brothers. 99 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,895 {\an8}You know, but the police, was the guys who we knew, 100 00:05:54,228 --> 00:05:56,103 who were going after them. 101 00:05:56,104 --> 00:05:57,523 They were putting them in jail, 102 00:05:57,648 --> 00:05:59,317 you know, they were trying to, 103 00:05:59,442 --> 00:06:00,860 take their lives away from them. 104 00:06:01,277 --> 00:06:03,780 Now I'm not saying that these individuals were innocent, 105 00:06:04,113 --> 00:06:06,781 but it definitely, has always been looked upon, 106 00:06:06,782 --> 00:06:08,368 like the police didn't help. 107 00:06:08,576 --> 00:06:10,493 That was really just embedded in our minds, 108 00:06:10,494 --> 00:06:13,915 you know, like, as early as when we was eight, nine years old. 109 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:18,584 {\an8}They all went to jail from some dumb mess, you know? 110 00:06:18,585 --> 00:06:20,671 {\an8}They was out there, trying to make their money. 111 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:22,256 {\an8}Selling drugs and whatever. 112 00:06:23,299 --> 00:06:25,885 {\an8}Jay's best friend Randy, was in jail for a long time. 113 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:28,429 {\an8}But Jason never went to jail. 114 00:06:28,763 --> 00:06:31,516 As a man, you don't never wanna disappoint your mother. 115 00:06:32,141 --> 00:06:35,226 I never knew Jay to have a dad, but I think what made Jay successful, 116 00:06:35,227 --> 00:06:37,478 was his mother's upbringing, you know? She was a teacher. 117 00:06:37,479 --> 00:06:38,396 She taught. 118 00:06:38,397 --> 00:06:40,358 That's what she did 24/7 taught him. 119 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:43,611 It showed through his work ethic. 120 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:57,166 Jason was always a beautiful child. 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,794 {\an8}He always loved the music. 122 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:01,379 {\an8}If he got two pencils, 123 00:07:01,754 --> 00:07:03,423 {\an8}he was making sounds. 124 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:05,383 {\an8}You know, he made music, 125 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:09,345 {\an8}outta ordinary things, things that you didn't expect. 126 00:07:09,929 --> 00:07:11,347 He had my pans. 127 00:07:12,181 --> 00:07:13,683 He'd be beatin' a tune you know? 128 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:16,102 My brother knew how to play a guitar... 129 00:07:16,686 --> 00:07:20,398 {\an8}and I knew he was going to play the drums 'cause I've seen him play the drums. 130 00:07:21,315 --> 00:07:23,651 I'd say he was about what, 13? 131 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:27,155 When he was doin' the turntable thing, learnin' how to DJ... 132 00:07:27,697 --> 00:07:28,946 and break them tables, 133 00:07:28,947 --> 00:07:31,576 my mother go right back and buy him another set. 134 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:33,826 You know? Constantly. 135 00:07:33,827 --> 00:07:36,036 ♪ Broken glass, everywhere ♪ 136 00:07:36,037 --> 00:07:38,958 ♪ People pissin' on the stage Ya know, they just don't care ♪ 137 00:07:39,375 --> 00:07:40,668 Around that time, 138 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:43,252 hip-hop kids created something that suited them. 139 00:07:43,253 --> 00:07:44,881 They built their own music... 140 00:07:45,256 --> 00:07:46,799 because they felt locked out. 141 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:49,842 Like the blues, and jazz, and rock and roll, 142 00:07:49,843 --> 00:07:52,972 were expressions of people who felt like they weren't part of the culture. 143 00:07:53,848 --> 00:07:56,309 Hip-hop was manufactured by, 144 00:07:56,893 --> 00:07:59,270 the tools, that wasn't supplied to us. 145 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,148 We would have block parties, you know, plug our equipment into street lights. 146 00:08:04,149 --> 00:08:07,234 There was just a way to get people together, to congregate, 147 00:08:07,235 --> 00:08:09,947 and just to really have a good time and just to celebrate music. 148 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,075 Back then, rap music was on the uprise. 149 00:08:13,242 --> 00:08:15,701 A lot of people might have, a couple of turntables and a mixer, 150 00:08:15,702 --> 00:08:17,997 Jay was one of them. Jay liked to DJ, in his house. 151 00:08:19,415 --> 00:08:21,584 Jay was really on point, 152 00:08:22,043 --> 00:08:23,586 with stopping a record, 153 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,752 on a dime, 154 00:08:24,753 --> 00:08:27,423 and then bring it back in. 155 00:08:27,548 --> 00:08:30,551 No one is mistake-free, but he was very... 156 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:32,595 very little mistakes. 157 00:08:33,429 --> 00:08:36,140 Everybody started in their house. 'Cause you wanna practice, you know? 158 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:38,142 Then you take it to the park. 159 00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:40,811 Jamaica Park, is where all the parties went down. 160 00:08:42,563 --> 00:08:45,942 Before we met Jay, Run was going to be a solo artist. 161 00:08:46,776 --> 00:08:49,818 Run was a rapper and a DJ, before rap records happened. 162 00:08:49,819 --> 00:08:53,197 '77, '78, he was the DJ son of Kurtis Blow. 163 00:08:53,198 --> 00:08:55,493 He himself had been a DJ of course, DJ Run. 164 00:08:55,993 --> 00:08:58,869 Me and Run made 'It's Like That' and 'Sucker MC's,' 165 00:08:58,870 --> 00:09:00,498 our first record, without Jay. 166 00:09:00,706 --> 00:09:04,669 Once we got the deal and the record started to get a little buzz, 167 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:08,212 it was time for us to go do live shows. 168 00:09:08,213 --> 00:09:10,550 And Russell, Run's brother said, 169 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:12,967 "Y'all got to do these performances you'll need a DJ," 170 00:09:12,968 --> 00:09:15,344 and Run was like, "Woah, I didn't think about that part." 171 00:09:15,345 --> 00:09:16,762 Run was tellin' me, 172 00:09:16,763 --> 00:09:19,223 "We gonna have to do a show. What are we gonna do?" 173 00:09:19,224 --> 00:09:21,477 {\an8}I already had turntables and records, 174 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:23,271 {\an8}and equipment already. 175 00:09:23,813 --> 00:09:28,107 {\an8}So, we just put together a little routine, couple of routines. 176 00:09:28,108 --> 00:09:33,114 They made the song in '82, and we started moving early '83. 177 00:09:34,198 --> 00:09:36,615 When we pulled up, to pick him up, 178 00:09:36,616 --> 00:09:38,995 for our first show in New York City, 179 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:44,000 he came out his front door he had on, a black Run-DMC Godfather hat, 180 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:48,129 he had on a black Adidas jacket, with the three stripes, 181 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:52,131 he had on white Adidas Shell Toes, with the black stripe 182 00:09:52,132 --> 00:09:54,260 and he had no laces in 'em, 183 00:09:54,468 --> 00:09:58,306 and the tongues of the sneakers' was sticking up like tombstones. 184 00:09:58,431 --> 00:09:59,930 Like it was sticking up in the air 185 00:09:59,931 --> 00:10:02,643 and Russell had been telling us for weeks, 186 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:05,102 "Y'all need a wardrobe, y'all need a wardrobe." 187 00:10:05,103 --> 00:10:06,812 Before Russell could utter it, 188 00:10:06,813 --> 00:10:09,191 "Yo, there goes... Yo, that's our wardrobe." 189 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:13,654 So, from that day on, we had to actually go shopping with Jay. 190 00:10:13,904 --> 00:10:16,032 If you look at the early days of Run and D, 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,703 they had on these plaid jackets with these turtlenecks and afros. 192 00:10:20,828 --> 00:10:23,289 {\an8}And then if you see it with Jay, everything changed. 193 00:10:26,124 --> 00:10:29,418 ♪ Now we're Run-DMC And we like to rap ♪ 194 00:10:29,419 --> 00:10:31,881 ♪ And the reason that we do it Is to make you clap ♪ 195 00:10:32,214 --> 00:10:34,465 Jay was very street and a lot of, 196 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:38,177 what is in that community, is the hood culture. 197 00:10:38,178 --> 00:10:40,554 They were already wearing shell toes with no laces, 198 00:10:40,555 --> 00:10:43,976 and backwards hats and, you know, all that stuff comes from jail. 199 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:45,976 So, that vibe, 200 00:10:45,977 --> 00:10:47,271 that was an honest... 201 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:49,482 that was a look at the culture. 202 00:10:49,607 --> 00:10:52,943 So he brought them another layer of authenticity. 203 00:10:53,235 --> 00:10:56,947 ♪ I want y'all to know one thing This is my House... ♪ 204 00:10:57,531 --> 00:11:00,741 Now we doin' these shows, but we had a problem, 205 00:11:00,742 --> 00:11:04,038 'cause Jay wanted to be Jazzy Jay, 206 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,247 and in hip-hop you can't be a copycat. 207 00:11:07,248 --> 00:11:09,627 So I said, okay, his name is Jason, 208 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,213 I break it down, it starts with a J, 209 00:11:12,755 --> 00:11:14,630 I don't want him to be Grandmaster, 210 00:11:14,631 --> 00:11:18,008 cuz you already got Grandmaster Flash and Grandmaster Caz. 211 00:11:18,009 --> 00:11:21,347 So the next day Jay comes and I'm like, "Yo, Jay I got your name." 212 00:11:22,014 --> 00:11:23,641 He goes "Word, okay. What's my name?" 213 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:26,684 I'm like, "You ready? Drum roll... 214 00:11:26,685 --> 00:11:29,228 You're gonna be the Jam Master Jay." 215 00:11:29,229 --> 00:11:32,274 And Jay was like, he flipped his collar up, "Jam." 216 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:35,818 He got souped. He was like, "I'm the Jam Master Jay." 217 00:11:35,819 --> 00:11:40,282 Like, before the crew even comes out, before Run and D even comes out, 218 00:11:40,825 --> 00:11:42,284 he goes out there, 219 00:11:42,451 --> 00:11:43,911 and he lets them know, 220 00:11:44,328 --> 00:11:45,621 who the fuck he is. 221 00:11:46,330 --> 00:11:47,707 "Before I bring them out, 222 00:11:47,873 --> 00:11:50,209 let me let y'all know who I am. Say my name. 223 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:51,293 Jam Master Jay." 224 00:11:51,627 --> 00:11:53,462 - "What's my name?" - "Jam Master Jay." 225 00:11:53,754 --> 00:11:55,921 - "I can't hear you." - "Jam Master Jay." 226 00:11:55,922 --> 00:11:57,715 - I can't hear you. - Jam Master Jay. 227 00:11:57,716 --> 00:11:59,802 - A little bit louder. - Jam Master Jay. 228 00:12:00,010 --> 00:12:02,304 - One more time. - Jam Master Jay. 229 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:05,180 Back then, the DJ was quiet. 230 00:12:05,181 --> 00:12:07,891 The MCs were out the front, the DJ was just in the back. 231 00:12:07,892 --> 00:12:09,560 They were hardly getting recognition. 232 00:12:09,561 --> 00:12:11,313 Jay made that position, 233 00:12:11,605 --> 00:12:14,442 right, just as important as the MC's. 234 00:12:14,775 --> 00:12:16,817 So he became a celebrity as well. 235 00:12:23,325 --> 00:12:25,576 Most DJs when they get in, they get a gimmick 236 00:12:25,577 --> 00:12:28,038 and you get dancers, you get all this Hollywood stuff. 237 00:12:28,372 --> 00:12:30,374 We didn't change to fit into show business. 238 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:33,461 Jay took the park parties and the street parties, 239 00:12:33,627 --> 00:12:34,960 and put it on stage. 240 00:12:34,961 --> 00:12:37,214 To the world it was new, 'cause they hadn't ever seen it. 241 00:12:37,798 --> 00:12:39,508 That's what made him a pioneer. 242 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:41,719 ♪ Now DJ Run's my name ♪ 243 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,972 ♪ Jam Master Jay, is his ♪ 244 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:47,347 ♪ -He's DMC - It's like that ♪ 245 00:12:47,348 --> 00:12:50,561 ♪ And that's the way it is ♪ 246 00:12:50,686 --> 00:12:52,603 It's always gonna be the three of us, you know? 247 00:12:52,604 --> 00:12:54,857 Two turntables and two microphones. 248 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,775 The band is just there, for a look, you know? 249 00:12:57,776 --> 00:13:00,110 It's just where we trying to come from, 250 00:13:00,111 --> 00:13:02,362 to show that we can relate with that also. 251 00:13:02,363 --> 00:13:04,825 But in reality it's all about the street. 252 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,659 ♪ We do it in the place With the highs and the bass ♪ 253 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:10,078 ♪ He's rockin' to the rhythm Won't ya watch it on his face ♪ 254 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:12,166 ♪ Go up-town and come down to the ground ♪ 255 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:14,666 ♪ -Sucker MCs - You a sad face clown ♪ 256 00:13:14,667 --> 00:13:18,047 They blew up because they made this honest record that touched a nerve. 257 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:22,426 Those records were made for the street without regard for the mainstream. 258 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,179 When the mainstream heard it, they was shocked. 259 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:28,057 And they did things that no one ever did. 260 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,142 First Rolling Stone, first gold, 261 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:32,684 first platinum, first double platinum, triple p... all that. 262 00:13:32,685 --> 00:13:34,394 You know Run-DMC was the first people 263 00:13:34,395 --> 00:13:36,230 to get a major endorsement from a sneaker. 264 00:13:36,231 --> 00:13:38,607 We ain't even talkin' about athletes, we're talkin' rappers. 265 00:13:38,608 --> 00:13:41,612 And actually before their time, they were like rock stars. 266 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:44,824 Hence the reason why they did the song with Aerosmith. 267 00:13:46,867 --> 00:13:49,995 Aerosmith was like a real '70s, really hot, rock band. 268 00:13:50,246 --> 00:13:53,082 And they had a real successful song, called 'Walk This Way.' 269 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:56,794 Run-DMC, covered Aerosmith's 'Walk This Way,' 270 00:13:57,044 --> 00:13:59,463 in a way that no other rap group could've done. 271 00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:03,759 So, Jay put his spin on the... you know, put his spin on the track. 272 00:14:04,343 --> 00:14:07,761 And Run and D, they just took the lyrics and made 'em real hip-hopish. 273 00:14:07,762 --> 00:14:10,933 There was never no hip-hop and rock collabos. That never happened. 274 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:13,435 ♪ Walk this way ♪ 275 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:15,980 ♪ Talk this way ♪ 276 00:14:16,522 --> 00:14:18,107 What Run-DMC did, 277 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:19,692 was brand new 278 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:23,068 and opened up a universe and it changed the world. 279 00:14:24,822 --> 00:14:27,197 They had a white following, but nothing 280 00:14:27,198 --> 00:14:29,992 to the level of once they came out with 'Walk This Way.' 281 00:14:29,993 --> 00:14:33,038 {\an8}And it gave them international super-stardom, definitely. 282 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,099 Jay made money, absolutely! 283 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:55,142 And he would definitely share his money, when he got it. 284 00:14:55,143 --> 00:14:58,105 Like, he really wanted everybody to do well. 285 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:01,650 He really helped everybody out, that he could help. 286 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:05,905 One Christmas he bought five cars. 287 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:10,159 He bought all of us cars. 288 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:13,162 ♪ Merry Christmas And happy New Year ♪ 289 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:16,997 He went through Hollis delivering gifts to everybody, 290 00:15:16,998 --> 00:15:20,085 and that's where they get their Christmas in Hollis. 291 00:15:20,377 --> 00:15:25,547 ♪ It's Christmas time in Hollis, Queens Mom cookin' chicken and collared greens ♪ 292 00:15:25,548 --> 00:15:28,093 ♪ Rice and stuffin' Macaroni and cheese ♪ 293 00:15:30,387 --> 00:15:33,430 Jay was a giver. The Hollis Crew traveled everywhere. 294 00:15:33,431 --> 00:15:35,307 You know, they took drug dealers off the street 295 00:15:35,308 --> 00:15:37,392 and they went around the world with them as security 296 00:15:37,393 --> 00:15:39,104 or whatever role they could get. 297 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,814 {\an8}Darren Jordan aka Big D, and Randy, 298 00:15:42,815 --> 00:15:44,902 {\an8}Jay helped tremendously. 299 00:15:45,527 --> 00:15:48,236 Randy was a stick-up kid, that came from robbin' Wonder Bread trucks 300 00:15:48,237 --> 00:15:49,531 and Hostess Cupcake trucks, 301 00:15:50,115 --> 00:15:51,992 that used to deliver to the local bodega. 302 00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:57,581 Randy would rob that person. 600, 700. Yeah, I remember these things vividly. 303 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:00,666 But Jay loved 'em above all of that and put 'em on 304 00:16:00,667 --> 00:16:02,920 and brought 'em up outta obscurity. 305 00:16:04,171 --> 00:16:05,921 As a community, as a race, 306 00:16:05,922 --> 00:16:08,840 there wasn't really too many things that we could say we had as our own, 307 00:16:08,841 --> 00:16:11,804 you know, for us, the people who we looked up to was the rappers. 308 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:14,012 {\an8}Those were the people who we could relate to the most 309 00:16:14,013 --> 00:16:16,223 {\an8}because these were the people who we saw walkin' around. 310 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:18,809 {\an8}You know, who came from the same element that we did. 311 00:16:18,810 --> 00:16:21,478 Which was ground-zero, the streets, you know what I'm sayin'? 312 00:16:21,479 --> 00:16:24,898 And they went to a certain point and made things better for themselves. 313 00:16:24,899 --> 00:16:28,193 They put themselves in a position to be able to take care of their families. 314 00:16:28,194 --> 00:16:32,408 And they just created this path of motivation and hope for us. 315 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:35,786 ♪ DJ ♪ 316 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:38,998 Run-DMC was very, kinda like, happy rappers. 317 00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:42,668 They were very happy and poetic and articulate. 318 00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:44,294 Not violent. 319 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:47,172 That was hip-hop, 1983, '84. 320 00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:50,342 Run-DMC wasn't Gangsta. 321 00:16:51,135 --> 00:16:53,176 In the mid-eighties towards the late-eighties, 322 00:16:53,177 --> 00:16:55,180 hip-hop had began to take a left turn. 323 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:59,016 Hip-hop artists, they were using their voices, 324 00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:02,394 to start messaging about the increasing racial tension, 325 00:17:02,395 --> 00:17:04,479 that had been goin' on within the communities. 326 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,232 And over the course of the years, you know, 327 00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:09,778 hip-hop just got more and more aggressive. 328 00:17:12,489 --> 00:17:13,574 1988. 329 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:15,951 Run-DMC started fading. 330 00:17:16,827 --> 00:17:20,330 When Run-DMC started fading, the entrepreneurial spirit, in Jason, 331 00:17:20,497 --> 00:17:22,831 wanted to have a bigger role in the music industry 332 00:17:22,832 --> 00:17:25,167 and hip-hop as a whole. So he started JMJ Records. 333 00:17:25,168 --> 00:17:27,004 Which is Jam Master Jay Records. 334 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:30,674 I worked for JMJ, I was East Coast Promotion Manager for Jay. 335 00:17:31,633 --> 00:17:34,053 Jay's studio wasn't in Hollywood. 336 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:36,805 Jay's studio wasn't in Manhattan. 337 00:17:37,347 --> 00:17:39,808 Jay's studios was 5 minutes from where he grew up. 338 00:17:39,975 --> 00:17:40,934 He made it out, 339 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:43,395 came back and put his roots, 340 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,480 and opened the door, so everybody else could follow him. 341 00:17:46,481 --> 00:17:48,857 ♪ And if you ain't know player Now you know ♪ 342 00:17:48,858 --> 00:17:51,195 ♪ I'm Jam Master Jay This is how I flow ♪ 343 00:17:51,361 --> 00:17:53,989 He got with Onyx, he did The Afros, 344 00:17:54,156 --> 00:17:55,574 he discovered 50 Cent. 345 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:59,701 There it is, like, it's crazy. He discovered 50 Cent. 346 00:17:59,702 --> 00:18:02,037 ♪ People know who I am Everywhere that I go ♪ 347 00:18:02,038 --> 00:18:04,875 ♪ Whether I'm dressed like a star Or a regular Joe... ♪ 348 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,959 50 Cent is considered one of the most successful artists 349 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,006 out of Queens and New York City alone, within the rap game. 350 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,218 Jay was significant, you know? 351 00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:15,634 He had three children 352 00:18:15,635 --> 00:18:17,511 and he had his mother, then his brother Marvin, 353 00:18:17,512 --> 00:18:19,681 then he had his sister Bonita, then he had his nephew. 354 00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:22,559 And then he had Randy, and then Randy's family. 355 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,353 He was helping a lot of people. 356 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,605 He took care of quite a few of the fellas. 357 00:18:27,356 --> 00:18:30,190 Did they need a new outfit? He had money, he bought it. 358 00:18:30,191 --> 00:18:32,319 He didn't change, he didn't let the fame change him 359 00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,154 and that was one thing I liked about him. 360 00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:36,615 You know, people, they love Jay, people love Jay. 361 00:18:37,157 --> 00:18:39,243 You know, that's why, I can't believe what happened. 362 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:41,578 This was very haunting, you know? 363 00:18:50,337 --> 00:18:51,505 It's raining that night. 364 00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:52,714 It's cold. 365 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:54,591 It was a cold rain that night. 366 00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:57,926 I was in jail. I was in prison. 367 00:18:57,927 --> 00:19:00,597 I was just really, just starting a 10 year sentence. 368 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,015 I was home. 369 00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:03,892 I was in Atlanta. 370 00:19:04,476 --> 00:19:05,978 I remember the night perfectly. 371 00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:08,854 I turned the news on, ten o'clock news. 372 00:19:08,855 --> 00:19:10,981 At this point nobody can say why this happened... 373 00:19:10,982 --> 00:19:12,399 Jam Master Jay... 374 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,443 There was a rumor all across The United States and Europe, 375 00:19:15,444 --> 00:19:17,906 that Jam Master Jay got shot and killed in the studio. 376 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,659 I remember trying to call everybody, for like... 377 00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:22,327 I called Jay, of course. 378 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:26,496 About 10 times, he wasn't picking up. So I start getting a little nervous... 379 00:19:26,497 --> 00:19:28,123 Then I turned it to PIX 11... 380 00:19:28,124 --> 00:19:29,708 {\an8}We are live at Jamaica Queens tonight. 381 00:19:29,709 --> 00:19:32,127 37 year old, Jam Master Jay, 382 00:19:32,128 --> 00:19:34,546 was gunned down while inside a Jamaica Queens... 383 00:19:34,547 --> 00:19:36,633 I remember having the worst stomach ache, right, 384 00:19:37,259 --> 00:19:38,427 right after that, so... 385 00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:41,511 My stomach just started killing me. 386 00:19:41,512 --> 00:19:44,391 So I turned to channel two, "Jam Master Jay shot and killed." 387 00:19:45,392 --> 00:19:47,603 By the time I come back to the studio, 388 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:49,521 everybody's outside. 389 00:19:49,813 --> 00:19:51,523 The news done spread out. 390 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,861 I'm like, I'm telling a cop, who I am... 391 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,156 and I just wanna know one question, is he dead? 392 00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:11,082 They called me on the phone and said that, 393 00:20:11,083 --> 00:20:12,542 "Oh I heard that Jason got killed." 394 00:20:12,543 --> 00:20:14,463 I was like, "who the hell is this?" 395 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,715 "Who is this? No he didn't!" 396 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,925 {\an8} On Wednesday night in Jamaica Queens, 397 00:20:19,926 --> 00:20:22,971 {\an8}one or two men were buzzed into Jam Master Jay's studio, 398 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:24,890 {\an8}real name, Jason Mizell, 399 00:20:25,098 --> 00:20:26,389 the disc-jockey of rap group-- 400 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:29,436 Then they showed a scene of the body-bag carried down the steps. 401 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:31,269 And when I knew it was true was, 402 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:33,230 as soon as me and my wife pulled up, 403 00:20:33,231 --> 00:20:35,484 I saw Chuck D of Public Enemy, 404 00:20:35,817 --> 00:20:37,567 and Ed Lover crying like babies. 405 00:20:37,568 --> 00:20:39,988 And I never saw 'em cry. I'm talkin' about babies. 406 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:42,157 So that's when I knew Jay got shot. 407 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:46,078 I took my cell phone and I fucking... 408 00:20:47,204 --> 00:20:49,790 demolished it, on my fucking floor. 409 00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:53,168 Til it was fuckin' pieces, 410 00:20:53,502 --> 00:20:55,293 and I started crying 411 00:20:55,294 --> 00:20:58,048 and my kids is like, "Mommy what's wrong with Daddy?" 412 00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,758 Then I had to get it together, 413 00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,636 and I just went up-stairs in my room, and closed the door. 414 00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:04,221 So... 415 00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:06,473 I couldn't sleep all night. 416 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,557 I couldn't believe it. 417 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:08,600 Shocked, 418 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,310 er... sad, 419 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,229 tear, you know? 420 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,896 My man, my friend Jason? No. 421 00:21:14,897 --> 00:21:17,651 Jay was like a Godfather from Hollis. 422 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:19,653 You know what I'm sayin'? That's just like... 423 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:23,365 in fuckin' The Godfather, if the Godfather got shot, 424 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:27,035 everybody else want to know, well, who the fuck was with him? 425 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,578 How'd you let him get shot? 426 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:30,122 You know what I'm saying? So... 427 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:31,788 that's how I seen it, you know? 428 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:34,418 It's like, yo, who the fuck is with him? How'd you let him get shot? 429 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:39,589 To know that you disliked my child so much that you can shoot him, 430 00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:44,136 that was hard, it's still hard for me to accept. 431 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,888 I would love to be livin' and find out. 432 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:49,391 And just look at them. 433 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,852 I wouldn't want to say nothing to them. 434 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,605 Because, maybe some things, I'm not supposed to know. 435 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:03,613 Jay was killed like, off of Jamaica Ave, in Queens. 436 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,743 {\an8}The most popular strip, in the entire borough. 437 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:11,163 You have a police station right across the street 438 00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:15,417 and there were five people, you know, who were present inside that studio, 439 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:18,045 that was outfitted with security cameras. 440 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:20,380 This happened right here in my backyard. 441 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,675 You know? And it just, felt like, damn! 442 00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:26,762 Like, you know, why does this keep happening? 443 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:30,849 Biggie Smalls was killed, you know, similarly like with Tupac. 444 00:22:31,141 --> 00:22:33,516 We always felt like, they were so protected, 445 00:22:33,517 --> 00:22:35,352 that nothing could happen to them. 446 00:22:35,353 --> 00:22:37,979 They were like our Supermen, they were our superheroes, you know? 447 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:39,064 Superheroes don't die. 448 00:22:40,107 --> 00:22:42,861 These are all unsolved crimes and the feeling is that, 449 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:44,738 the police don't really care. 450 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:46,988 They look at it, as like, "Let them kill each other." 451 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,077 The faith within the urban community, 452 00:22:52,078 --> 00:22:54,120 as a whole, in government 453 00:22:54,121 --> 00:22:56,208 and law enforcement, has definitely decreased. 454 00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:58,710 One of my biggest fears was that, 455 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:01,129 Jay's case could be swept under the rug. 456 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:04,714 I had a newborn son and I remember thinking to myself, 457 00:23:04,715 --> 00:23:07,719 over and over again, that something had to change. 458 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:12,182 I wanted to show that we can shape a better world for our kids. 459 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,434 That it could definitely be, justice for all. 460 00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:19,648 At the time of the Jam Master Jay situation, 461 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:21,233 I was a journalist at MTV. 462 00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:24,945 And with Jay we wasn't just going to leave it as, 463 00:23:25,153 --> 00:23:27,072 "it's another unsolved hip-hop crime." 464 00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:29,991 This was an opportunity to begin to close the gap, 465 00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:32,077 between the urban communities and law enforcement. 466 00:23:32,577 --> 00:23:34,454 But I knew it wasn't going to be easy. 467 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,665 The police didn't seem to have a murder weapon, 468 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:39,918 fingerprints, or any other substantial evidence. 469 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:41,795 But that wasn't going to stop me. 470 00:23:42,295 --> 00:23:44,631 It was my personal mission, 471 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,592 where I felt I owed it to myself, I owed it to the community. 472 00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:50,595 I even owed it to my family and overall to this culture, 473 00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:53,181 to get to the bottom of what happened to Jam Master Jay. 474 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:56,560 I think he knew, that something was going on. 475 00:23:58,019 --> 00:23:58,979 {\an8}Somethin's goin' on. 476 00:23:59,729 --> 00:24:00,564 {\an8}Cuz he kept, 477 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,484 {\an8}you know it was like he was watching his back so much, you know? 478 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,027 The night of Jay's murder... 479 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:07,612 Jay had a gun on him. 480 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,032 {\an8}Maybe he knew there was some conflict that was coming his way. 481 00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:14,244 {\an8} One of Jay's childhood friends, from the old Hollis neighborhood, 482 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:17,831 {\an8}Ronald Tinard Washington, said he was at the studio that day. 483 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,791 Ronald Tinard Washington is my cousin. 484 00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,293 We all lived in the same block. 485 00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:23,962 {\an8}I heard Tinard was staying at Jason's mother's house on two third, 486 00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:26,173 {\an8}with Bonita cuz he didn't really have no where to stay. 487 00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:28,300 {\an8}And again, that was the kindness in Jay's heart. 488 00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:32,679 According to Tinard, Jay gave him $200 to go buy bullets. 489 00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,097 Tinard also claims that, 490 00:24:34,097 --> 00:24:36,683 "Jay was scared," and "he wanted protection." 491 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,520 The day of the murder, Jay's group 'Rusty Waters' 492 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,148 was in the studio, preparing to go on tour... 493 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:49,112 ♪ When ya double down boy You gonna owe me twice than that ♪ 494 00:24:49,404 --> 00:24:51,364 Let me do it again, let me do it again. 495 00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:53,867 My name is Rodney Jones. 496 00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:55,285 I'm Jason's nephew. 497 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,164 My Uncle Jay was making the beats for me and my group. 498 00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:00,790 {\an8}And we was about to come out. 499 00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,835 {\an8}It was me and Jay's home boy, this guy named Randy. 500 00:25:04,586 --> 00:25:08,173 {\an8} Jay had JMJ Records and he brought Randy Allen on, 501 00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:10,300 {\an8}as his partner, in his business. 502 00:25:11,134 --> 00:25:13,595 They went on to create a label, 503 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:16,014 of their own and one of the groups that they signed 504 00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:18,934 to the label that was distributed through Virgin Records was Rusty Waters. 505 00:25:19,809 --> 00:25:23,355 Randy and his nephew were actually, the members of the group. 506 00:25:24,731 --> 00:25:26,650 Me and Jay was talkin' for a little bit 507 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:29,778 and I asked him to give me some money and he was like,"Well you got some money, 508 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,197 you gotta go find Randy and you'll get your money." 509 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,242 I got with Randy on Jamaica Avenue, 510 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:37,786 and then we went to the barber shop, to get my hair cut, 511 00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:40,580 and he left took my bags back to the studio. 512 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:44,960 To get up to Jay's Studio, you get buzzed through the front door, 513 00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:47,045 you go up a long staircase, 514 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,130 then down a long hallway. 515 00:25:53,134 --> 00:25:56,805 When you walk in the door of the studio to your left is a reception area, 516 00:25:57,222 --> 00:26:00,517 straight ahead is a lounge area and behind it is the control room. 517 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:04,354 Inside of the control room, you have Randy Allen, 518 00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:08,733 Mike B, and you had an aspiring, female recording artist at the time. 519 00:26:08,942 --> 00:26:11,194 Mike B was a friend of Hollis, you know what I mean? 520 00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:13,029 Everybody knew him. Jokester. 521 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,155 Cool dude. 522 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:15,865 Mike B was a rapper 523 00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:18,201 and I believe he was managed by Randy and Jay. 524 00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:20,495 And he was a friend. 525 00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:23,707 In this main room you had a couch. 526 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,041 There was a TV. 527 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,628 And you had Jam Master Jay and Tony Rincon, 528 00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:30,797 who were seated playing video games. 529 00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:34,968 Jay was closer to the door and reportedly had a gun close to him. 530 00:26:35,343 --> 00:26:37,887 Tony was sitting next to him farther from the door. 531 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,682 {\an8} Tony Rincon was a dude in the neighborhood, 532 00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:43,184 {\an8}not from Hollis, he was from Flushing, Queens. 533 00:26:43,768 --> 00:26:44,811 {\an8}He was a car sitter. 534 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,355 So when Jay would go into Manhattan, he would snatch him up, 535 00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:50,066 so he could sit in the car while Jay ran upstairs and see his lawyer. 536 00:26:50,066 --> 00:26:52,152 So he could double park, without parking. 537 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:53,653 That's what Tony was. 538 00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:56,197 Wasn't a gangster, wasn't a fighter, none of that. 539 00:26:56,531 --> 00:26:59,576 So it couldn't have been a worse person in that studio than him because, 540 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,369 he is a coward, at the end of the day. 541 00:27:01,953 --> 00:27:04,414 The reception desk is usually where Lydia High sat. 542 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:06,499 She was the office manager. 543 00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:08,627 Randy Allen is her brother, 544 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,713 her and Randy were really good friends with Jay, like from childhood. 545 00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:14,966 {\an8} Lydia was a good girl. Nice girl, pleasant attitude. 546 00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,427 No-- Very quiet, introverted. 547 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,727 That night, they were talkin' about the itinerary 548 00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:27,562 for the next couple of days, 549 00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:30,482 in regards to, what he was doing, his DJ spots. 550 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,692 {\an8}Lydia was right across from him. 551 00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:36,905 And some guy came right in, dark clothing. 552 00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,824 She said she didn't see a good look at him, he had the... 553 00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:41,201 hood up, you know. 554 00:27:42,118 --> 00:27:43,912 There was a brief conversation, 555 00:27:44,412 --> 00:27:46,164 and it was a little heated. 556 00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:48,750 She tried to run out 557 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:51,294 and there was a second individual at the doorway, 558 00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,922 with a gun, who told her to get on the floor. 559 00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:56,966 Tony said when they walked in, 560 00:27:56,966 --> 00:27:59,594 his phone rang, he reached down to pick up his phone 561 00:27:59,594 --> 00:28:01,680 that supposedly fell between the couch. 562 00:28:02,263 --> 00:28:05,725 {\an8}My mother, just randomly, she just happened to call me at that time 563 00:28:06,142 --> 00:28:08,269 {\an8}and that's exactly when everything happens. 564 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,522 I just hear Jay say, 565 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:11,773 Oh f-- 566 00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:14,901 I heard the shot and that's when I got hit in my leg. 567 00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:19,155 Like, you hear one shot that you don't know what it is. 568 00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:22,117 And then you hear a shot and you go, "oh that was a shot." 569 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:23,702 And then you hear screaming, 570 00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:27,497 and then you just hear a bunch of stomping. 571 00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:29,332 I'm in the room with two people. 572 00:28:29,332 --> 00:28:31,835 I'm in there with Mike B and the girl and they hear the shot 573 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:33,420 and they're jumpin' all over everything 574 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,171 and I'm trying to get to the door... 575 00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:36,840 because Lydia and Jay is there. 576 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:39,092 So I'm running out, 577 00:28:39,926 --> 00:28:43,972 and once I get the door open, I see, you know, I see Jay layin' there, 578 00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:48,309 I see my sister laid out, like, on the floor, 579 00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:50,854 scared to pick her head up 'cause she don't know who's still in the room. 580 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,109 I walk out of the barbershop, 581 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,027 and I'm standing on the corner, 582 00:28:58,027 --> 00:29:00,989 and Mike B runs to me and he starts telling me 583 00:29:00,989 --> 00:29:02,574 that they shootin' in the studio. 584 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,660 Then when I got up in there, 585 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,287 I looked this way, um, 586 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,206 Lydia was on the floor over there, 587 00:29:10,623 --> 00:29:13,042 screamin', like, somewhere in this area. 588 00:29:13,042 --> 00:29:15,670 Either on this side of that medium or on this side. 589 00:29:16,337 --> 00:29:17,255 She was over here. 590 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,675 Jay was kind of like, 591 00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:23,344 like, right here. 592 00:29:24,804 --> 00:29:27,223 His head was up there and his feet was down here. 593 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,185 I kicked Jay, tryna to wake him up. 594 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,605 And then I turned around and I left 595 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,399 and by the time I got down the stairs of the studio... 596 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:39,068 the police, like the precinct, was coming in 597 00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:41,905 and they like rush me back all the way up to the top of the stairs 598 00:29:41,905 --> 00:29:43,531 and back in front of the studio. 599 00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:47,577 One witness was taken to the hospital. Everybody else was brought back here. 600 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,663 The male shooter? Not known to anybody. 601 00:29:51,122 --> 00:29:54,042 {\an8}When I heard about the crime, the first thing I told... 602 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:57,253 {\an8}my people to look into was, "what about the cameras?" 603 00:29:58,087 --> 00:29:59,589 When I became the studio manager, 604 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:03,009 I had security cameras installed after speaking with Randy and Jay. 605 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:07,430 There was one when you come up to the main door downstairs, 606 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:08,598 you buzz the door. 607 00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:11,476 There's one camera here, that looks at you from the side. 608 00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:12,977 And so you can see who it is. 609 00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:15,438 So we can record people that got buzzed in. 610 00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:17,315 And what it would do, is re-record. 611 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,401 And re-record, every 24 hours it would re-record. 612 00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:22,529 And we would go in there and we would check it, 613 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,281 from time to time to make sure it was working properly and everything. 614 00:30:25,406 --> 00:30:28,785 That was my first instinct, was to call my people and like... 615 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:31,162 um, tell 'em to look at the cameras. 616 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:36,626 When we went to go and take that tape and view it, 617 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,586 it was an old tape. 618 00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:41,631 It showed... it looked like springtime. 619 00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:43,424 Because that day was a miserable, 620 00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,385 cloudy, cold day. 621 00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:48,054 You know, the date was off, everything was off. 622 00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,515 He didn't have the right times or dates on there. 623 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:52,892 Somebody took the tape out so... 624 00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:55,520 now we don't know who rung the bell. 625 00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,357 But somebody knows somethin' cuz they buzzed them up. 626 00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:04,153 Lydia High was the office manager at Jay's studio. 627 00:31:04,153 --> 00:31:07,532 An anonymous cop said that, "She buzzed in the killers." 628 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,909 She wouldn't have buzzed up someone she didn't know, 629 00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:13,079 so, it's likely that Jay's killers were people that Jay knew. 630 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,874 At the time I was like, "Nobody says nothing?" 631 00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:17,709 It's either one of two things: 632 00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:19,627 {\an8}either they scared or they hiding something. 633 00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:22,088 {\an8}One of two things, that's all it could be. 634 00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:25,383 Here's the irony of it all, Jason put his life on the line, 635 00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:26,676 for others, right? 636 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:28,344 In the end, 637 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:31,973 it's not being reciprocated because ain't nobody telling the truth. 638 00:31:32,223 --> 00:31:33,224 That's messed up. 639 00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:36,603 But that's typical, of people in that environment, 640 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:37,812 where I came from. 641 00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:41,566 The witnesses was scared. 642 00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:44,736 Immediately following Jay's murder, 643 00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:49,073 one of the theories that hit the streets, was that, Jay had got caught up in a beef, 644 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:52,785 {\an8}between a prominent New York City, drug lord and Jay's former protege, 645 00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:53,912 50 Cent. 646 00:31:55,663 --> 00:31:58,666 There was a theory that Jay's murder, was due to people, 647 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:00,376 who was really out to get 50 Cent. 648 00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:04,964 50's earlier days carry a lot of controversial baggage. 649 00:32:05,131 --> 00:32:07,675 As a child hustler, he would run throughout the streets, 650 00:32:07,675 --> 00:32:10,303 of Southside, Queens, that was run by a notorious, 651 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,555 {\an8}drug kingpin, Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff, 652 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,016 {\an8}and Preme's second-in-command Gerald "Prince" Miller. 653 00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:19,187 A notorious crack, king-pin, with ties to the music industry, 654 00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:20,897 now faces the death penalty. 655 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,275 {\an8}Jurors have convicted, Kenneth 'Supreme" McGriff, 656 00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:26,486 {\an8}for murder and drug dealing charges. 657 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,280 Rap is very competitive. 658 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,699 And you know, at that time, Murder Inc Records 659 00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:33,785 that also hails from outta Queens, 660 00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:35,495 was affiliated with Supreme. 661 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:37,747 So after enjoying much success, 662 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:40,541 50 released a very controversial record, 663 00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:44,045 that made references to a number of prominent street figures, 664 00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:46,047 including Supreme and Prince. 665 00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:49,300 ♪ When you hear talk of the Southside You hear talk of the team ♪ 666 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,970 ♪ See niggas feared Prince And respected 'Preme ♪ 667 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,847 ♪ For all you slow motherfuckers I'ma break it down iller ♪ 668 00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:57,308 {\an8}♪ See 'Preme was the business man And Prince was the killer ♪ 669 00:32:57,308 --> 00:32:58,434 {\an8}♪ Remember? ♪ 670 00:33:00,728 --> 00:33:02,188 After this song came out, 671 00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:06,150 a couple prominent figures, saw him as snitching, 672 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,402 by mentioning their name. 673 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:11,030 And then in addition, 50 was picking on Ja Rule. 674 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,575 And Supreme he was like a henchman, 675 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:16,452 for Murder Inc. 676 00:33:16,577 --> 00:33:18,579 And they were trying to tell 50 to relax, calm down, 677 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:20,540 leave him alone, and he didn't. 678 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,626 That's why what happened to 50, happened to him. 679 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,254 {\an8}I walked over here, to sit in the actual vehicle, 680 00:33:26,254 --> 00:33:29,298 {\an8}then my friend was waitin' for me and a car pulled up, 681 00:33:30,091 --> 00:33:31,259 on the side of us, 682 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,054 a guy got outta the passenger seat of that car and came around behind it, 683 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,056 and shot through the actual car. 684 00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:42,854 The theory is that Supreme went after 50, 685 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,190 for Murder Inc. and in the process could have potentially, 686 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:50,069 went after Jay because he was the one who put him on the path to stardom. 687 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:54,198 A lot of crazy rumors and ghetto gossip, 688 00:33:55,074 --> 00:33:56,534 {\an8}about ridiculous theories. 689 00:33:57,452 --> 00:33:59,787 {\an8}They love a juicy story, they just ran with it. 690 00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:02,290 {\an8}But nobody ever contacted me about it or... 691 00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:04,208 {\an8}asked if I wanted an opportunity, 692 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:05,626 to address the rumors. 693 00:34:05,626 --> 00:34:08,796 There was word that, you know, you put 50 Cent on a blacklist. 694 00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:11,966 I never knew he was signed to Jay. 695 00:34:12,175 --> 00:34:13,593 I never knew he was signed to Jay. 696 00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,056 I mean, I knew Jay's been messin' wit' him, 697 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:20,475 or he was his prodigy, but I didn't know nothin' about it, 698 00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:23,561 as far as his business ends, or if he was signed to him or... 699 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,688 or anything like that. 700 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,732 Jay was cool. 701 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:31,486 I never had a beef wit' him. Like, everythin' I know about Jay, 702 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:34,489 is just like, just knowin'... hearin' about him in the hood, 703 00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:36,157 you know what I'm sayin'? And... 704 00:34:36,282 --> 00:34:38,910 Everything I knew about Jay was, Jay was a cool dude. 705 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,162 And that's as far as it went, you know? 706 00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,539 When I would see him, "what's up? what's up?" 707 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:46,084 And that was it. Jay was a cool dude. 708 00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:51,422 I knew Supreme very well. I'm from Queens and I hustled and I worked out there. 709 00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:53,382 He saw me. And I'm a tell you somthin'... 710 00:34:53,382 --> 00:34:55,468 Supreme had a lot of love and respect for Jay. 711 00:34:55,635 --> 00:34:56,469 You know? 712 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,387 But their paths don't cross each other. 713 00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:02,141 And if they did they would just, you know, hit each other and keep it pushin'. 714 00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:05,228 So that's again, they drawin' for straws. 715 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,440 With regards to the Supreme theory, 716 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,401 that was put to rest because the police just didn't have any leads. 717 00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,571 {\an8}A new theory emerged involving one-time friend Curtis Scoon, 718 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:19,659 {\an8}that him and Jay had got into a beef over a drug deal gone bad. 719 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,413 {\an8}That's crazy. 720 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,458 Can you imagine that? Like, that's nuts. 721 00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:29,961 Jay didn't sell drugs. 722 00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:33,589 It's like, he was wit' me. I would have seen that for a million percent sure. 723 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:34,924 Like, nah never. 724 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,385 There was a lot of rumors out there 725 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:39,345 that Jam Master Jay was a drug dealer. 726 00:35:39,345 --> 00:35:40,346 That's not true. 727 00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:43,224 Jay had kids, he had sons, 728 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:45,852 he had a wife, he had a mother, he had people that... 729 00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,104 that respected him and looked up to him. 730 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,273 Why would he deal drugs? 731 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,108 He was a DJ. 732 00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:55,069 He wasn't no drug dealer. 733 00:35:56,737 --> 00:36:01,075 You know, he might have sold some weed to somebody but that's as far as it going. 734 00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:05,329 My initial reaction to the reports of Jay's potential involvement, 735 00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:07,540 within drug activity was shock, 736 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,417 and it was disbelief. 737 00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:12,170 Over all, I knew that this would overshadow, 738 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,880 his greatness and his legacy. 739 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,091 But as we attempted to dig a little bit deeper into the theory, 740 00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:18,885 involving Curtis Scoon, 741 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,264 there was a personal side of Jay's life that begin to reveal itself. 742 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,019 It's hard to maintain being on top. 743 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,354 You just gotta come with hit, after hit, after hit, 744 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:32,064 but it was just hard to maintain that. 745 00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:34,984 And he started feelin' the impact. 746 00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:37,695 Of not having money on his friends, and his family, 747 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,156 and his mother, and his sister, and his brother. 748 00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:42,450 Of people that relied on him. 749 00:36:43,075 --> 00:36:45,328 And so he felt this need to keep maintainin', 750 00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:46,871 and maintainin', and maintainin', 751 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,415 but Jason went into debt, like people do. 752 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,128 He told me that he was in trouble with the government. 753 00:36:54,128 --> 00:36:56,339 Uncle Sam wanted their money, you know, taxes. 754 00:36:56,756 --> 00:36:57,840 They knocking on your door. 755 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,009 They talkin' bout taking your stuff, your belongings, 756 00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:01,427 maybe sendin' you to jail. 757 00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:02,845 So, it's hard to think. 758 00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:04,513 One of da best MCs... 759 00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:07,016 His intention was just, to keep going financially. 760 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:08,267 ...Sun will shine. For real. 761 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:09,602 Hear me, feel me. 762 00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:11,395 Legend has spoken. 763 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:13,814 There was no other alternative after music, 764 00:37:13,814 --> 00:37:15,775 he had to revert back to what I know. 765 00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:17,109 You know? 766 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,613 So, he reached out to me and some other people 767 00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,114 because he knew how we were livin'. 768 00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:24,242 He reached out to the people that was doin' things, 769 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,993 that maybe he could double up his money, 770 00:37:25,993 --> 00:37:27,912 or maybe he can, you know, make some more money, 771 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,248 some extra coin so that he can take care of the government 772 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:31,624 and take care of his people. 773 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,961 {\an8}No matter what, Jay's friends was Jay's friends. 774 00:37:35,878 --> 00:37:38,839 {\an8}They went to jail, they were sellin' drugs, whatever. 775 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:41,050 When they came home, they was tryna do the same thing. 776 00:37:41,717 --> 00:37:42,927 Y'all don't know no different. 777 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:45,805 So if I've lost everything, then, 778 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:49,267 "Yo homie, wussup? Boom, boom, boom. Gimme ten, lemme get my ten, 779 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,685 get this ten and flip it"... 780 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:52,561 Get your ten back. 781 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:56,148 Plus give you another ten, just for givin' it to me. 782 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,984 You know, so... 783 00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:01,028 That's how Jay was with his peoples. 784 00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:02,655 So Jason invested, you know, 785 00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:05,074 and tried to double his money and triple his money, 786 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,576 like we would all do, if we had that opportunity. 787 00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:11,789 {\an8}Jason, Curtis Scoon and myself went to California, 788 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:14,125 {\an8}with the intention of buying coke, buying drugs, 789 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:15,751 but it didn't work out like that. 790 00:38:15,751 --> 00:38:17,211 'Cause when Jay got to LA, 791 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,423 it was a plan B because the dude he went to see wasn't there. 792 00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,675 Plan B was buying it from someone else. 793 00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:23,884 Plan B never works. 794 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,554 Never! Okay? 795 00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:29,682 Plan B never works, in these kinds of businesses. 796 00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:34,020 When Jason went to that somebody else, he got set up for $30,000. 797 00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,522 So we were out of $30,000. 798 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:37,732 The theory was, 799 00:38:37,732 --> 00:38:41,110 as a result of us gettin', you know, having that incident in California. 800 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,821 That Scoon got upset. He felt like Jay owed him some money. 801 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,991 I remember after Jay's murder. 802 00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:49,035 Randy looked right at me, 803 00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,913 and he said "Shake, the person that killed your best friend and mine, 804 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,206 was Curtis Scoon. 805 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,795 But why would he kill Jay though? 806 00:38:59,795 --> 00:39:02,089 Like, you know, like Jay's an earner so, 807 00:39:02,089 --> 00:39:04,133 if you owe somebody five dollars, 808 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:06,469 you... I mean and a person got a job, 809 00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,095 and especially his job, 810 00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:10,389 he can pay you five dollars. So why would you kill... 811 00:39:10,389 --> 00:39:11,599 It don't make sense. 812 00:39:14,226 --> 00:39:16,062 Curtis Scoon's a good friend of mine, 813 00:39:16,062 --> 00:39:17,355 we grew up together, in Hollis. 814 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,939 Curtis Scoon was a businessman. 815 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,941 He was articulate. He was an entrepreneur. 816 00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:24,320 So most of his life he just had businesses, small businesses, 817 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,114 he's grown businesses, made money, real estate, things like that like. 818 00:39:27,114 --> 00:39:30,034 Like anybody else. I spoke to Curtis a few times, 819 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,495 about the fact that he was a suspect in Jay's murder, 820 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:34,205 and he felt disrespected. 821 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,209 All of Jason's friends, are friends with me. 822 00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:42,296 At the funeral, Curtis asked me for a hug 823 00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:43,547 and I was like... 824 00:39:45,633 --> 00:39:48,219 I just hesitated, even though that I knew him. 825 00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:49,678 But your name is out there, 826 00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:51,597 having something to do with my brother's death. 827 00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:53,224 He said, "But you know what 'Nita? 828 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,309 you probably already hugged the killer." 829 00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:00,106 What I'ma say to that? 'Cause I probably did. 830 00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:03,943 If you ever saw Curtis Scoon, he's a big man. 831 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,237 He's very big, ve... 832 00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:07,488 Tall guy. 833 00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:10,741 The description of the perpetrator's not that big. 834 00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:13,577 His photo was shown to the witnesses, 835 00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,122 from the insurance company and from the studio, 836 00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:17,998 and nobody would ID him. 837 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,420 {\an8}It didn't work out for us but we spent a lot of man hours, 838 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,714 tryna investigate, that part of the dispute. 839 00:40:27,049 --> 00:40:29,176 Curtis Scoon eventually discussed being named, 840 00:40:29,176 --> 00:40:31,595 as a suspect in the murder of Jam Master Jay. 841 00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,431 He said that, and I quote, 842 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:49,280 At that point, I'm thinking, if Scoon is out as a suspect 843 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,240 but Randy is tryna finger Scoon, 844 00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,993 then Randy's behavior's gotta be suspicious. 845 00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,830 If he has somethin' to do with the murder, what the hell was his motivation? 846 00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,624 We uncovered a few possibilities. 847 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:05,421 Randy and Jay had some type of insurance, 848 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,465 that they shared amongst each other, 849 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,050 you know, and in the wake of one of their deaths, 850 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:13,888 like, the other one had some type of rights, to that insurance. 851 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:18,100 An anonymous cop, involved in the case, corroborated that claim. 852 00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:21,645 When asked what he had heard about this supposed insurance policy, 853 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,105 he said, and I quote, 854 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,696 And when asked point-blank if there was an insurance policy, 855 00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:32,239 he said yes. 856 00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:37,369 But that wasn't the only theory, involving Randy Allen. 857 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,166 Jay started kind of talking about the money situation with him and Randy, 858 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,376 that he's like, "Yo, Randy's fucking stealing from me." 859 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,338 I said, "Randy? Wait," I said, "stealin' what?" 860 00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,881 He said, "He stealin' money from me," 861 00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,799 he said, "he's fucking stealing money from me," 862 00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:52,510 he said, "he's been robbing me blind." 863 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,970 That's weird for somebody to say I was stealing from Jay. 864 00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:57,431 That you were siphoning money out of Jay. 865 00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,557 Never. 866 00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:01,060 I can't imagine that, they were like this. 867 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:04,855 To be involved with somebody like Jay... 868 00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:07,024 'Cause that's my homie I gotta keep it real-- 869 00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:10,653 - We know that. - ...is very, very... 870 00:42:11,111 --> 00:42:12,112 hard. 871 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,741 Randy Allen was the best man at his wedding, you know, 872 00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:17,535 he was really close with his kids. 873 00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:21,580 Randy and Jay were workin' on other projects to go to the next level. 874 00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:25,793 He was working with Shakim and Queen Latifah on some projects. 875 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:30,089 He orchestrated the Rusty Waters thing, where they got the deal through Virgin. 876 00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:32,174 They just got a million dollars from Virgin records, 877 00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:33,759 why would they steal from each other? 878 00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:37,221 I don't necessarily believe that Randy was takin' money outta Jay's pocket. 879 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,056 I mean, they were running a business together. 880 00:42:39,306 --> 00:42:42,268 - Money was never a thing-- - So much so, that you would be willing-- 881 00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:43,686 We was never about to... you know, 882 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,396 stealing any... We never had that problem. 883 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:47,314 So much so, that you would be willing to allow 884 00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:49,608 the family to look into whatever they need to? 885 00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,318 Go ahead, you can look into everything. 886 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:54,071 From day one, I said, Randy ain't do it. 887 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,073 Randy ain't no killer. 888 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,117 Him and Jay was close. Jay liked him. 889 00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:01,328 Jay loved him, actually, he was his man, so... 890 00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:03,622 They had a good relationship. 891 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:07,876 Put aside the business relationship, put aside everything else. 892 00:43:07,876 --> 00:43:10,254 But he was he was Jay's son's godfather. 893 00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:13,173 One thing I can say about Randy, he loved Jay. 894 00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:14,758 He loved Jay like a brother. 895 00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:18,095 If you realize this story and you've been investigating for a long time... 896 00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:20,389 It's a lot of mystery, 897 00:43:21,724 --> 00:43:23,100 hypothetical, 898 00:43:23,767 --> 00:43:25,144 speculation, 899 00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:26,395 nothing concrete. 900 00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:28,272 'Cause I wanna find out who did it. 901 00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,316 I don't wanna keep speculatin' 902 00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:34,194 and just thinking, you know, I wanna know who actually did it. 903 00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,948 I don't believe that it's that hard, 904 00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,450 to really solve this case. 905 00:43:39,575 --> 00:43:41,744 You know, it is a number of really compelling elements. 906 00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:44,246 But you know, these are elements that, 907 00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:46,832 you know, the police are responsible for. 908 00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:49,251 We're in a commercial district. 909 00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:51,253 There's gotta be cameras all over Jamaica Avenue. 910 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,090 You know, that's what they do. Especially in the commercial areas. 911 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:58,093 {\an8}89th Avenue, Jamaica Avenue. 912 00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:00,679 {\an8}The precinct is right here, the parking lot. 913 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,181 {\an8}You got Jamaica bus terminal. 914 00:44:02,348 --> 00:44:04,642 {\an8}If this was a bank robbery or something like that. 915 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:08,479 They'd zero in on a certain radius. And they'd zero in on license plates 916 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:10,689 and then that's how they'd be able to pull up suspects. 917 00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:15,319 {\an8}I've never heard of anyone looking into that. 918 00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:17,154 I've never heard of that. 919 00:44:17,529 --> 00:44:20,866 You know, when you think about it, yes, there were a number of individuals, 920 00:44:20,866 --> 00:44:23,952 who was in the vicinity of where this crime transpired, 921 00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,372 but again, they lost the trust, 922 00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:29,667 you know, of key people who was involved. 923 00:44:30,417 --> 00:44:33,545 They sort of alienated the witnesses by bringin' them in cuffs, 924 00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,215 takin' 'em into the precints, berating them, yellin' at them. 925 00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:38,342 {\an8}They didn't appreciate that 926 00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:40,594 {\an8}and they were kinda scared, really fearful. 927 00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:43,263 There were a lot of tangibles that had to be worked out these cases, 928 00:44:43,263 --> 00:44:46,183 that should've been. The DA's office was called into it. 929 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,561 They didn't provide the proper things, 930 00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:51,105 that they said they were going to do. 931 00:44:51,271 --> 00:44:52,773 Witness protection was one of them. 932 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:55,609 They said that they were going to go out and relocate some people. 933 00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,444 They were gonna do a lot of different things, 934 00:44:57,444 --> 00:44:58,445 that they reneged on. 935 00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:01,156 And that kind of, deterred a lot of the witnesses, 936 00:45:01,323 --> 00:45:04,034 from coming forward, even getting involved in the case. 937 00:45:04,618 --> 00:45:06,829 {\an8}Two sources close to the case confirm 938 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:09,164 {\an8}that Lydia High was denied witness protection. 939 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:10,416 {\an8}You know, I saw, 940 00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:13,168 a reward put up by the NYPD was, 941 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:17,047 you know, was under $10,000. I was like, "This is what this man is worth.?" 942 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:21,385 You know, so it's like perception means a lot, you know, and... 943 00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:25,097 it's like, if you're not gonna do it any justice, 944 00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:27,808 in that manner, like, just don't even attempt at all, you know? 945 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:31,937 Just do your job, but don't insult the man's legacy like that. 946 00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:35,607 And I know that those are specific things that really bothered people, 947 00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:38,235 in this specific case of Jay, 948 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:40,070 but that applies to everyone. 949 00:45:41,155 --> 00:45:43,532 There's definitely a perception within the urban community, 950 00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:47,453 that we have a lack of support that we see from, you know, 951 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:50,622 the courts, the judicial system, you know, and law enforcement. 952 00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:54,918 Had Jam Master Jay been a police officer up there, 953 00:45:55,043 --> 00:45:57,671 {\an8}they woulda fuckin' arrested 20 people, 954 00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:01,592 {\an8}until somebody told them, who the hell did it. 955 00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,635 There's no way you woulda got away with that. 956 00:46:03,635 --> 00:46:06,388 You know what I mean? Think about it. If he had been a police officer, 957 00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:08,640 and somebody came up there and did that murder, 958 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,477 they woulda turned Queens upside down, 959 00:46:11,727 --> 00:46:16,148 until they actually found the people, that did the homicide. 960 00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:18,817 And KRS-One has a song called, 961 00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:21,153 "If You Wanna Get Away With Murder, Kill a Rapper." 962 00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:24,156 {\an8}The killing of somebody else might be solved, 963 00:46:24,156 --> 00:46:26,784 {\an8}real quick or you know, throughout the course of time, 964 00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,787 {\an8}but rappers and, and you know... 965 00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:32,748 {\an8}DJ's and stuff like that, 966 00:46:32,915 --> 00:46:34,917 {\an8}they never get solved. Nobody wants to tell. 967 00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:40,547 ♪ If ya wanna get away with murder Kill a Rapper ♪ 968 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:44,092 As the months dragged into years and Jay's killer remained on the loose, 969 00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:47,221 everyone's hopes began to fade that we would ever get to the bottom 970 00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,306 of what happened on that terrible night. 971 00:46:52,726 --> 00:46:55,562 All the police would say is, "The investigation is ongoing." 972 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:58,941 For five years all we saw were dead ends piling up. 973 00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:00,651 Motives, aah... 974 00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:02,986 I don't have any one motive that-- 975 00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:05,572 Over the course of the years when the case had looked 976 00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:07,783 like it was starting to become just another cold case, 977 00:47:08,033 --> 00:47:09,660 Randy just took another route. 978 00:47:09,785 --> 00:47:12,454 When he started revealing information, in hopes that it could, 979 00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,249 put some pressure, possibly to apply to the police 980 00:47:15,249 --> 00:47:16,834 and eventually lead to an arrest. 981 00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:21,463 In 2007, he revealed what Lydia had told the cops, 982 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,173 the night of the murder. 983 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:26,885 Ronald Washington, 984 00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:30,848 was a guy that she looked face-to-face, in his eyes... 985 00:47:31,306 --> 00:47:32,474 {\an8}-Right. - So... 986 00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,811 {\an8}That alone to me... 987 00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:38,397 {\an8}The cops should have reacted. 988 00:47:38,814 --> 00:47:41,775 {\an8} Tinard was the kind of person that always stayed in jail. 989 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,402 I mean, his whole life. 990 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:47,406 Tinard wasn't known as a drug dealer. He's just known as a foul person. 991 00:47:48,156 --> 00:47:50,158 {\an8}That would fucking rob you or anybody else, 992 00:47:50,158 --> 00:47:52,244 {\an8}like, that's just how he was known. 993 00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:55,664 {\an8} Ronald Tinard Washington knew Jay since they were kids 994 00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:57,833 {\an8}and in the weeks leading up to Jay's murder 995 00:47:57,833 --> 00:47:59,918 {\an8}had regular access to the studio. 996 00:48:00,586 --> 00:48:03,922 So could Tinard have a chance to tamper with the security system. 997 00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:06,091 Let's go back to that night. 998 00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:08,594 {\an8} The night that Jason got killed, 999 00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:09,845 {\an8}that day... 1000 00:48:10,512 --> 00:48:12,806 Tinard went to see Jason in the studio. 1001 00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:16,476 While at the studio, Tinard talked to Jay and said, 1002 00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:18,896 {\an8}"Jay sent him to go get bullets." But did he? 1003 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:21,607 Or was he placing himself at the scene, 1004 00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:24,276 in case someone had seen him around the studio? 1005 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:25,736 Following Jay's murder, 1006 00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:28,530 according to the police, Tinard was a person of interest. 1007 00:48:29,489 --> 00:48:30,699 {\an8} When I was in jail, 1008 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,493 {\an8}NYPD came to Arizona Prison and told me... 1009 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,038 Tinard is one of the suspects, Ronald Washington. 1010 00:48:38,123 --> 00:48:39,374 They didn't have any real facts, 1011 00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:41,209 but they said, that they kinda lookin' at him. 1012 00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:45,505 Although a number of signs pointed to Tinard's involvement 1013 00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:46,465 in Jay's killing, 1014 00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,550 immediately following Jay's death, 1015 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,887 he was never arrested in the murder of Jam Master Jay. 1016 00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:54,598 With all due respect to the investigation, 1017 00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:59,311 not arresting Ronald Tinard Washington, was just another leading example, 1018 00:48:59,311 --> 00:49:02,147 that caused a breakdown of trust, 1019 00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:04,983 between the police and the urban community. 1020 00:49:04,983 --> 00:49:06,860 Specifically within Hollis. 1021 00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:09,988 Street Justice had taken on a life of its own, 1022 00:49:09,988 --> 00:49:13,241 and Tinard's name specifically, had been ringing bells. 1023 00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:17,371 Somebody felt they needed to take justice into their own hands. 1024 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,916 {\an8} Comin' from the hood, you know the person that did it... 1025 00:49:22,209 --> 00:49:23,877 {\an8}You ain't got a lot of choices. 1026 00:49:25,545 --> 00:49:27,547 If you don't kill this mother fucker... 1027 00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:31,134 or you gonna testify and say that's who killed him. 1028 00:49:31,718 --> 00:49:32,928 You only got A and B. 1029 00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:36,556 Ain't no C where you just let that mother fucker just walk away. 1030 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:38,976 And just whistle down the fucking street. 1031 00:49:39,393 --> 00:49:40,978 Following Jay's murder, 1032 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:43,480 there were reports that Tinard had been shot at, 1033 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:45,774 and he made his way out of town. 1034 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,860 And the police, basically, 1035 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,613 squandered their opportunity to close in on him. 1036 00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,909 A few weeks after Tinard fled, police arrested him. 1037 00:49:58,412 --> 00:49:59,955 Following Jay's death, 1038 00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:03,834 Tinard was arrested on a number of robbery charges that took place, 1039 00:50:04,084 --> 00:50:05,002 stretching from, 1040 00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:07,796 Hollis all the way to Long Island. 1041 00:50:08,171 --> 00:50:11,425 Er... He was brought up on federal charges, 1042 00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:13,301 he was convicted of those charges. 1043 00:50:14,928 --> 00:50:17,014 And then he sat in jail for five years, 1044 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,890 until he was eventually sentenced. 1045 00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:22,561 At the time, we in the community didn't know what the police knew, 1046 00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,022 but then in 2007, 1047 00:50:25,897 --> 00:50:28,233 when he was finally sentenced for those other crimes, 1048 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,153 the prosecution in an attempt to beef up the sentence, 1049 00:50:31,486 --> 00:50:34,740 wrote a letter to the judge that outlined Tinard's criminal past. 1050 00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:39,661 There was references made to the Jam Master Jay murder 1051 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:42,956 Tinard had been confiding in a female friend, 1052 00:50:42,956 --> 00:50:46,626 about his involvement in the murder of Jam Master Jay. 1053 00:50:46,793 --> 00:50:50,714 Not as the trigger man, but that he was present at the scene. 1054 00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:53,467 So if he was there, he's a part of the murder. 1055 00:50:54,426 --> 00:50:57,888 Right, so then there ain't no mystery. We got one suspect, booked. 1056 00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:00,348 {\an8} The judge dismissed the letter 1057 00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:03,685 {\an8}but still sentenced Tinard to 17 years, under federal charges. 1058 00:51:05,145 --> 00:51:06,772 Tinard himself did an interview 1059 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:09,149 and gave his account of what happened on that night. 1060 00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,401 According to Tinard, 1061 00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:13,153 he was on his way back to the studio, 1062 00:51:13,153 --> 00:51:14,404 when he heard the shots. 1063 00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:16,823 {\an8}He then saw a friend leaving, from the neighborhood, 1064 00:51:17,157 --> 00:51:20,035 {\an8}Lil D and his father Big D, leaving the studio. 1065 00:51:20,535 --> 00:51:23,580 {\an8}Lil D is an aspiring rapper and aspiring artist. 1066 00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,792 Very respected, you know, in the streets. 1067 00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,127 I was kinda always a musical nigga, like, 1068 00:51:29,127 --> 00:51:31,088 {\an8}you know my pops used to run DEF JAM, 1069 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,714 {\an8}back in the days with him, you know? 1070 00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:34,132 {\an8}So, I was always around it. 1071 00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:36,510 {\an8}The, Run-DMC's... 1072 00:51:37,135 --> 00:51:40,514 Big D played a pretty important role, 1073 00:51:40,972 --> 00:51:44,434 in Run-DMC's career, in the earlier stages. 1074 00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:47,354 So he knew Jay, he knew Run, he knew D. 1075 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,273 Later on the night of the murder, 1076 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:52,943 Tinard said that Little D told him, quote, unquote, 1077 00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,529 {\an8}"My pops wasn't supposed to shoot Jay." 1078 00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,740 Big D & Jay, were like, cousins. 1079 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:00,659 He lived right across the street from Jay. 1080 00:52:01,076 --> 00:52:03,245 Their whole life. They was always friends. 1081 00:52:03,662 --> 00:52:06,581 Big D and Jay got love for each other. That's like family. 1082 00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:10,502 I'm telling you, Big D & Jay, are like family. 1083 00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:13,964 {\an8}They was cool with Jay. Like, Big D was cool with Jay. 1084 00:52:13,964 --> 00:52:16,049 {\an8}Like, he used to work for Def Jam, like, 1085 00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:19,678 I just don't know man... That right there is ridiculous. 1086 00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:22,597 {\an8} Tinard gave an interview where he said, 1087 00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:24,307 {\an8}that three months before Jay's murder, 1088 00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:26,935 {\an8}him and Jay were involved in a drug deal gone wrong. 1089 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,689 Tinard alleges that Big D was involved in the deal as well. 1090 00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,191 Jay somehow botched the deal 1091 00:52:33,191 --> 00:52:35,443 and they both owed a drug dealer, from the Midwest, 1092 00:52:35,443 --> 00:52:37,696 named Uncle, $180,000. 1093 00:52:38,238 --> 00:52:41,032 In a interview, Big D talks about Tinard's claim. 1094 00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:44,286 When asked why Tinard placed him at the scene of the crime 1095 00:52:44,286 --> 00:52:45,787 he said, and I quote, 1096 00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:56,339 {\an8} Ronald Tinard had already said in the paper that, 1097 00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:59,009 he wasn't involved and he implicated two other people. 1098 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:01,887 {\an8}I believe it's one of them. Either Lil D or Big D. 1099 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:04,055 {\an8} He's a fat liar. 1100 00:53:05,724 --> 00:53:08,393 {\an8}And because he a cop he think he can't get dealt with. 1101 00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:10,228 He's wrong. 1102 00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:14,983 If he was not retired, I'd get him fired. 1103 00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:17,194 And if he keep talkin', 1104 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,570 the way he talkin', 1105 00:53:19,446 --> 00:53:20,864 I'm gonna get him wired. 1106 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,158 Break his jaw, 1107 00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:24,910 couple places. 1108 00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:29,497 He have to eat out of a straw for next six, eight, nine months. 1109 00:53:30,123 --> 00:53:31,082 If he make it. 1110 00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:39,132 So he need to know what he talkin' about, he need to shut up, really, 1111 00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:40,842 'cause if he don't... 1112 00:53:41,968 --> 00:53:43,428 Know what I'm sayin? 1113 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,306 Things can happen. 1114 00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:50,435 It's possible that both Big D and Lil D 1115 00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:52,229 were involved in some sort of beef with Jay. 1116 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:53,813 But according to witnesses, 1117 00:53:54,147 --> 00:53:55,941 only two men entered the studio 1118 00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:59,152 and Lydia told police that the one who held the gun to her head, 1119 00:53:59,152 --> 00:54:00,737 was Ronald Tinard Washington. 1120 00:54:01,446 --> 00:54:02,948 {\an8}So that leaves the question... 1121 00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:04,407 {\an8}who was the triggerman? 1122 00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:07,994 Randy Allen dropped another bombshell. 1123 00:54:08,245 --> 00:54:11,248 That his sister Lydia High had revealed to the police, 1124 00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:14,376 that the gunman in Jay's murder, had a tattoo on his neck. 1125 00:54:15,377 --> 00:54:16,878 Who killed Jam Master Jay? 1126 00:54:16,878 --> 00:54:19,714 Who shot the final bullet that went into Jam Master Jay's skull? 1127 00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:21,967 If you got to place a bet. Big D or-- 1128 00:54:21,967 --> 00:54:24,511 If I had to place a bet, I would say Lil D. 1129 00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:28,932 {\an8}♪ I'm one of da best Soon to be compared with some of da rest ♪ 1130 00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:30,809 {\an8}♪ On the beat Like dat thing in ya chest ♪ 1131 00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:34,396 ♪ If it stops I stop Smoother than a Gucci shoe hi-top ♪ 1132 00:54:35,355 --> 00:54:38,566 Derick Parker, I don't know where he gets his information from... 1133 00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,111 Um, he is a former NYPD. 1134 00:54:41,653 --> 00:54:43,822 Maybe he knows somethin' I don't know. I don't know. 1135 00:54:44,072 --> 00:54:46,658 When I heard Derrick Parker's revelation 1136 00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:50,412 on who he felt the assailants were in this crime... 1137 00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:52,664 You know, my immediate reaction was, 1138 00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:54,833 how'd you come to that conclusion? 1139 00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:59,254 Lil D and Tinard, but that's speculation. That's hearsay, that's word of mouth. 1140 00:54:59,421 --> 00:55:00,338 That's nothing. 1141 00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:02,090 It's just, in the wind. 1142 00:55:02,882 --> 00:55:04,884 A conviction cannot be based on hearsay. 1143 00:55:05,176 --> 00:55:08,221 {\an8}If it was a Little D or a little Kevin or a little whatever. 1144 00:55:08,388 --> 00:55:10,432 {\an8}I don't know exactly if it was that person yet. 1145 00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:13,143 But if the fingers are pointin' at that person, then, 1146 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:15,520 I think it's something worth investigating. 1147 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,773 And if that's what's going on, then I'm quite sure that, 1148 00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:20,900 the proper authorities, will investigate it. 1149 00:55:22,027 --> 00:55:23,445 {\an8}Still, the case is still open. 1150 00:55:23,737 --> 00:55:26,698 {\an8}I mean every year, we try to work on it. 1151 00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:28,575 We get tips and we work on it. 1152 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:29,951 Um... 1153 00:55:30,535 --> 00:55:31,369 so... 1154 00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:34,748 It's been really, really, really hard, you know, 15 years. 1155 00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:38,001 And I think the reason, that is still has such a... 1156 00:55:38,835 --> 00:55:42,005 a profound effect on me is because of the fact that it's not solved. 1157 00:55:42,005 --> 00:55:44,174 It's 15 years! They have nobody. 1158 00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:46,509 I think if the people in Hollis, trusted the cops more, 1159 00:55:46,676 --> 00:55:48,178 this would have been solved. 1160 00:55:48,553 --> 00:55:50,055 15 years already went by. 1161 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:52,640 I'm waiting for that day. 1162 00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,355 You're not supposed to be able to commit a crime 1163 00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,106 and nobody be held accountable for it. 1164 00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:03,318 {\an8}Biggie Smalls was killed 1165 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:06,404 {\an8}and he was being followed by federal agents, for weeks. 1166 00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:08,448 {\an8}It's hard to understand that. 1167 00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:12,202 {\an8}Similarly wposition:50.00%,middle align:middle size:80.00% line:79.33% over and over again, that something had to change. Similarly with Tupac. 1168 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:15,455 {\an8}There's a number of high-profile, unsolved murders, 1169 00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:18,666 {\an8}you know, from Mac Dre, to big L, 1170 00:56:19,167 --> 00:56:21,544 {\an8}to even, Stack Bundles. 1171 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,840 {\an8}This is an epidemic and we've seen this story, 1172 00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:27,717 {\an8}a lot of different times. 1173 00:56:28,134 --> 00:56:30,553 {\an8}The statistics and the data speaks for itself. 1174 00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:33,515 {\an8}That's the shame in all this... 1175 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,642 The fact that it's still happening! 1176 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,020 It's happenin' everyday to young individuals, 1177 00:56:39,145 --> 00:56:41,189 who still have their life ahead of 'em. 1178 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:46,276 ♪ Clap ya hands everybody Everybody clap ya hands ♪ 1179 00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:47,862 ♪ To the people in the back... ♪ 1180 00:56:48,029 --> 00:56:50,323 When you have a figure like, 1181 00:56:50,782 --> 00:56:51,950 Jam Master Jay, 1182 00:56:52,117 --> 00:56:55,578 this is a person, who has millions of fans. 1183 00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,624 He's looked at as the guy who made it out. He gives a sense of hope, 1184 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:01,334 and... 1185 00:57:01,709 --> 00:57:03,169 we like to take care of our people, 1186 00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,547 you know, and we expect other people to take care of our people. 1187 00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:10,802 So right now we feel like, our peoples aren't being taken care of. 1188 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,265 He would share, anything that he had. 1189 00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:16,391 Nothing was too... 1190 00:57:17,016 --> 00:57:19,686 good for him, that he couldn't give it to somebody else. 1191 00:57:20,353 --> 00:57:22,396 That's the way I brought him up, you know? 1192 00:57:22,397 --> 00:57:23,314 It was... 1193 00:57:23,606 --> 00:57:24,440 Love. 1194 00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:25,692 It was love. 1195 00:57:26,401 --> 00:57:29,028 That's all that I can say about it. It was love. Yeah. 97739

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