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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:50,507 Narrator: "l don't believe it. 2 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:53,135 lt makes no sense." 3 00:00:57,182 --> 00:00:59,725 "There is something so strange." 4 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:07,107 "Perhaps you can suggest some fantastic explanation." 5 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:15,074 "Couldn't it be this sort of thing?" 6 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:22,623 He turned the drawing around. 7 00:01:27,837 --> 00:01:29,880 "Yes," she said, 8 00:01:30,048 --> 00:01:32,549 "that is what l mean." 9 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:36,470 This was the first explanation 10 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:39,056 of the splitting of the atom. 11 00:01:54,405 --> 00:01:57,574 Robert Oppenheimer said, "lmpossible," 12 00:01:57,742 --> 00:02:01,453 but within 15 minutes he decided it was real. 13 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:03,455 He realized it would release 14 00:02:03,623 --> 00:02:06,041 a great amount of energy, 15 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:08,377 that you could generate power 16 00:02:08,545 --> 00:02:10,546 and make bombs. 17 00:02:16,594 --> 00:02:18,428 Within a week 18 00:02:18,596 --> 00:02:21,598 on Oppenheimer's blackboard 19 00:02:21,766 --> 00:02:24,768 there was a crude drawing of the bomb. 20 00:02:32,068 --> 00:02:34,236 Enrico Fermi stood in his office 21 00:02:34,404 --> 00:02:36,864 and looked out over Manhattan. 22 00:02:39,742 --> 00:02:42,870 He cupped his hands to the size of a tennis ball. 23 00:02:44,998 --> 00:02:48,041 "A little bomb like that," he said, 24 00:02:48,209 --> 00:02:51,295 "and it would all disappear." 25 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:02,074 ( people screaming ) 26 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:14,336 Valerie Plame Wilson: There is no doubt in my mind-- 27 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:17,089 if terrorists had acquired a nuclear weapon, 28 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,591 they would not have hesitated to use it. 29 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,176 ( sirens wailing ) 30 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:36,984 Wilson: So l guess the question is, 31 00:04:37,151 --> 00:04:39,236 "Could they ever get one?" 32 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:07,055 Al-Qaeda is determined to acquire nuclear weapons 33 00:05:07,223 --> 00:05:10,058 and to use them if they get them. 34 00:05:10,226 --> 00:05:12,477 ln the early '90s they tried to buy 35 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:14,896 highly-enriched uranium in the Sudan. 36 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:17,733 They got scammed. 37 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:20,360 Just prior to the 9/1 1 attacks, 38 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:22,904 we do know that Osama Bin Laden 39 00:05:23,072 --> 00:05:25,032 and his lieutenant Zawahiri 40 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,617 sat down with two Pakistani nuclear scientists 41 00:05:27,785 --> 00:05:31,121 and discussed nuclear weapons. 42 00:05:32,915 --> 00:05:35,542 Before releasing the sarin gas in the Tokyo subway, 43 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:38,337 the Japanese cult Aum Shinrikyo 44 00:05:38,504 --> 00:05:42,090 attempted to acquire a nuclear bomb in Russia. 45 00:05:42,258 --> 00:05:45,177 They bought a sheep farm in Australia 46 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:48,472 to mine uranium to build their own bomb. 47 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,101 Graham Allison: The objective of Al-Qaeda 48 00:05:53,269 --> 00:05:55,562 is to, quote, "kill four million Americans, 49 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:57,689 including two million children." 50 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,901 This is, in his calculation, what's required 51 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:03,278 to balance the scales ofjustice. 52 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:07,032 He takes various incidents, 53 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,535 from Shatila to the war in lraq, 54 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:12,829 and counts up the body count and says, 55 00:06:12,997 --> 00:06:16,291 "That's how many people we're out-- four million." 56 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:18,627 You're not gonna get to kill four million people 57 00:06:18,795 --> 00:06:20,629 by hijacking airplanes 58 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:22,714 and crashing them into buildings. 59 00:06:39,732 --> 00:06:42,984 Actually, l'm not that worried about nuclear weapons. 60 00:06:43,152 --> 00:06:44,361 lt's not one of my main worries. 61 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:46,363 l do not worry about nuclear weapons. 62 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:49,366 ( speaking Chinese ) 63 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:52,077 lsn't everybody worried about nuclear war? 64 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:54,037 That's a stupid answer, right? 65 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:56,665 ( speaking Russian ) 66 00:06:56,833 --> 00:06:58,917 Man: l don't know. lt just has never been 67 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:01,795 something that l've actually had to think about in my everyday life. 68 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:05,924 ( speaking Chinese ) 69 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,343 lt might, you know, get on your conscience for a couple days maybe, 70 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:09,803 and then it kind ofjust disappears. 71 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:12,597 ( speaking Chinese ) 72 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:16,685 Man: l don't think anybody is going to use in this day and age-- 73 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:18,812 ridiculous even to think about it. 74 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:21,231 What can you do? Nothing. 75 00:07:23,609 --> 00:07:25,694 At the end of the day, it's one button 76 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,696 and there's gonna be a big mess at the end of it, isn't there? 77 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:30,532 Somebody's gonna make a mistake one day 78 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:32,325 and we're all gonna suffer for it. 79 00:07:44,088 --> 00:07:47,632 Rolf Mowatt-Larssen: There are three ways to acquire a nuclear weapon: 80 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,843 you could steal a bomb; 81 00:07:50,011 --> 00:07:52,345 you could buy a bomb; 82 00:07:52,513 --> 00:07:55,307 and you could build a bomb. 83 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:57,309 Of all the things l learned 84 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,686 after 9/1 1 about terrorism intent, 85 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:03,231 the most startling discovery for me personally 86 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:05,775 was realizing that they were trying to build a bomb. 87 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:11,698 Wilson: The hardest part of making a nuclear bomb 88 00:08:11,866 --> 00:08:13,700 is getting the material-- 89 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:15,744 the highly-enriched uranium or plutonium. 90 00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:20,415 Many countries have these materials, 91 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:23,084 and often they are poorly guarded. 92 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:27,964 But if l were a terrorist 93 00:08:28,132 --> 00:08:29,966 intending to build a nuclear bomb 94 00:08:30,134 --> 00:08:32,385 and l wanted to blow up a major city, 95 00:08:32,553 --> 00:08:36,348 l would look to the countries of the former Soviet Union. 96 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,975 There have been many cases involving the theft 97 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:41,937 of highly-enriched uranium or plutonium. 98 00:08:42,104 --> 00:08:44,940 And every time there has been a black-market seizure 99 00:08:45,107 --> 00:08:47,692 of stolen H.E.U. or plutonium 100 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:50,445 and they were able to track it back to its source, 101 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:52,781 it came from Russia. 102 00:08:54,867 --> 00:08:57,536 Matthew Bunn: There was a case at a Russian naval base 103 00:08:57,703 --> 00:08:59,412 in the early 1990s. 104 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:03,458 One of the naval personnel told a relative of his 105 00:09:03,626 --> 00:09:06,336 where the highly-enriched uranium at this base was. 106 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:09,005 This relative walked through a gaping hole 107 00:09:09,173 --> 00:09:10,966 in a security fence, 108 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:13,718 walked up to what you and l would consider to be a tool shed, 109 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:17,055 snapped the padlock with an iron bar. 110 00:09:17,223 --> 00:09:19,140 -He set off no alarm. 111 00:09:19,308 --> 00:09:21,476 He was not detected at all. 112 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:26,565 The Russian military prosecutor in that case said, quote, 113 00:09:26,732 --> 00:09:28,900 "Potatoes were guarded better." 114 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:38,702 At a facility called Luch 115 00:09:38,869 --> 00:09:41,162 where they fabricate fuel 116 00:09:41,330 --> 00:09:43,248 made from highly-enriched uranium 117 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:46,251 there was a worker there who knew 118 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:48,503 that as long as the output 119 00:09:48,671 --> 00:09:50,714 was within about 3% of the input, 120 00:09:50,881 --> 00:09:52,716 they figured it was normal losses to waste 121 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:54,718 and they didn't bother to investigate. 122 00:09:54,885 --> 00:09:57,804 So he kept stealing small amounts of highly-enriched uranium 123 00:09:57,972 --> 00:10:01,308 day after day over a long period of time. 124 00:10:01,475 --> 00:10:05,103 ( man speaking Russian ) 125 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:19,576 Eventually he stole a kilogram and a half 126 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:22,370 of 90% enriched highly-enriched uranium. 127 00:10:22,538 --> 00:10:25,040 He set off no alarms. No one noticed. 128 00:10:25,207 --> 00:10:28,543 He had friends who were making their living 129 00:10:28,711 --> 00:10:30,545 stealing car batteries. 130 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:33,923 And they said, "Maybe the guy in Moscow 131 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:35,717 who buys our stolen car batteries 132 00:10:35,885 --> 00:10:37,510 will buy your stolen uranium." 133 00:10:37,678 --> 00:10:39,596 So they went down to the train station together 134 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:41,890 and the police came and arrested the car battery thieves 135 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:43,725 and he got arrested along with them. 136 00:10:43,893 --> 00:10:45,435 That's the only way he was ever caught. 137 00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:47,395 Graham Allison: We have cases in which 138 00:10:47,563 --> 00:10:49,939 people from the Russian nuclear arsenal 139 00:10:50,107 --> 00:10:52,609 were selling material and they were captured. 140 00:10:52,777 --> 00:10:55,904 We have cases in which people from Russian nuclear labs 141 00:10:56,072 --> 00:10:58,698 were selling material. They were captured. 142 00:10:58,866 --> 00:11:02,202 Bunn: Almost all of those cases-- 143 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:04,371 until the material was seized, 144 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:07,165 it had never been noticed to be missing. 145 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,671 All the black-market seizures that l'm aware of 146 00:11:12,838 --> 00:11:14,923 were serendipitous. 147 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:17,342 They were caught by luck. 148 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:20,011 So that we don't know 149 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:22,222 whether it's the iceberg or the tip of the iceberg. 150 00:11:28,104 --> 00:11:31,648 Wilson: Once you've managed to acquire highly-enriched uranium, 151 00:11:31,816 --> 00:11:34,567 you'd need to smuggle it out of the country. 152 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:44,703 Lawrence Scott Sheets: Georgia is located 153 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:47,205 along Russia's southern border-- 154 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:50,500 a natural corridor. 155 00:11:50,668 --> 00:11:52,961 And things like highly-enriched uranium 156 00:11:53,129 --> 00:11:56,131 could be smuggled through such a place 157 00:11:56,298 --> 00:11:58,133 on their way to Azerbaijan, 158 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:00,135 lraq, lran, 159 00:12:00,302 --> 00:12:02,387 Turkmenistan, Afghanistan 160 00:12:02,555 --> 00:12:04,681 and so on and so forth. 161 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:10,145 ( Pavlenishvili speaking English ) 162 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:05,784 The Georgians invented a so-called 163 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:08,536 man of Turkish nationality 164 00:13:08,704 --> 00:13:11,956 who said he was a Muslim man 165 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:15,335 representing a serious organization. 166 00:13:15,503 --> 00:13:18,046 Oleg Khintsagov believed he was selling 167 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:20,423 highly-enriched uranium to make an atomic weapon 168 00:13:20,591 --> 00:13:22,759 to terrorists. 169 00:13:29,391 --> 00:13:32,977 ( Khintsagov speaking Russian ) 170 00:13:58,379 --> 00:14:02,090 ( Pavlenishvili speaking ) 171 00:14:55,227 --> 00:14:57,186 Sheets: lf a truck driver can get a hold of it, 172 00:14:57,354 --> 00:14:59,188 a small time hustler 173 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:01,190 who just wanted to become a rich guy, 174 00:15:01,358 --> 00:15:03,568 imagine what professionals could have done-- 175 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:06,613 real professionals with an ideology, 176 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:09,949 with an agenda, with brains. 177 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,747 ( Pavlenishvili speaking ) 178 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,438 Wilson: Once you've moved the highly-enriched uranium, 179 00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:42,440 you could use any number of ports 180 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:44,442 in the Middle East or the Mediterranean 181 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:47,862 to ship the H.E.U. to your destination. 182 00:15:59,416 --> 00:16:02,835 Smuggling highly-enriched uranium into the United States 183 00:16:03,003 --> 00:16:05,129 is pretty straightfoward. 184 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:14,597 Lead pipe will shield the H.E.U. 185 00:16:14,765 --> 00:16:17,058 The detector would have to be within a few inches 186 00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:19,560 to pick up any radiation. 187 00:16:23,273 --> 00:16:26,275 And then hide it amongst everyday goods. 188 00:16:31,573 --> 00:16:34,117 Allison: 100 lbs of highly-enriched uranium 189 00:16:34,284 --> 00:16:38,037 is smaller than a football. 190 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:42,125 lt would fit in a six-pack of beer cans. 191 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:47,296 Bunn: 100,000 shipping containers 192 00:16:47,464 --> 00:16:49,966 go to the United States every day. 193 00:16:52,803 --> 00:16:56,305 Allison: Every way that drugs come to New York City 194 00:16:56,473 --> 00:16:58,307 would be the same way you would imagine 195 00:16:58,475 --> 00:17:01,102 highly-enriched uranium coming. 196 00:17:04,815 --> 00:17:08,234 lf you have any doubt about the ability of Al-Qaeda 197 00:17:08,402 --> 00:17:11,863 to bring highly-enriched uranium into the U.S., 198 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,074 they could always hide it in a bale of marijuana. 199 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:39,891 Scott Sagan: Terrorism is just one threat-- 200 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:42,560 the deliberate threat. 201 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:49,108 But there is also the unintentional threat 202 00:17:49,276 --> 00:17:51,110 of a nuclear detonation 203 00:17:51,278 --> 00:17:53,863 by accident, by error 204 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:56,324 or by misjudgment. 205 00:18:26,396 --> 00:18:28,147 We'd like to think 206 00:18:28,315 --> 00:18:30,274 the U.S. military or other militaries 207 00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:32,985 that control nuclear weapons are perfect organizations. 208 00:18:33,153 --> 00:18:35,154 They will never fail. 209 00:18:38,325 --> 00:18:42,161 We expect them to have 100% reliability. 210 00:18:42,329 --> 00:18:45,414 But even the well-disciplined, 211 00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:48,376 very professional United States military 212 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:52,088 made very serious mistakes with nuclear weapons. 213 00:18:58,178 --> 00:19:00,555 Newsreel announcer: An atomic bomb breaks loose from a mounting shackle 214 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:03,558 in a B47 jet over Florence, South Carolina, 215 00:19:03,725 --> 00:19:05,518 causing a sensational freak accident. 216 00:19:05,686 --> 00:19:10,022 A B52 bomber was loaded with nuclear weapons by mistake. 217 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:12,608 Reporter: An American warplane flew 1500 miles across the nation, 218 00:19:12,776 --> 00:19:15,236 we're told, with six nuclear warheads onboard. 219 00:19:15,404 --> 00:19:17,363 Reporter #2: And nobody knew-- not the aircraft's crew, 220 00:19:17,531 --> 00:19:20,116 not the commanders on the ground. 221 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:24,120 Sagan: We've had B52s explode in the air 222 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,581 during a refueling mission, 223 00:19:26,748 --> 00:19:29,208 causing the four thermonuclear weapons 224 00:19:29,376 --> 00:19:31,836 to fall onto Spanish territory 225 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:34,005 and into the Mediterranean. 226 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,507 A B52 bomber carrying nuclear weapons 227 00:19:36,675 --> 00:19:39,051 crashed near a U.S. air force base in Greenland, 228 00:19:39,219 --> 00:19:44,182 scattering deadly plutonium over the ice cap. 229 00:19:44,349 --> 00:19:45,725 Sagan: ln 1960, 230 00:19:45,893 --> 00:19:47,852 a BOMARC air defense missile exploded, 231 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:49,979 melting the nuclear warhead. 232 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:52,064 ln 1968, the U.S.S. Scorpion sank 233 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:54,692 400 miles southwest of the Azores. 234 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:58,154 The nuclear weapons onboard were never found. 235 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:01,908 A B47 bomber disappeared over the Mediterranean. 236 00:20:02,075 --> 00:20:05,411 The nuclear weapons aboard were never located. 237 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:07,413 ln 1959, an aircraft crashed 238 00:20:07,581 --> 00:20:09,415 near Whidbey lsland, Washington. 239 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:12,501 The nuclear depth charges were not recovered. 240 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:15,296 A Skyhawk strike aircraft carrying a nuclear weapon 241 00:20:15,464 --> 00:20:18,341 rolled off an aircraft carrier in the Sea of Japan. 242 00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:21,135 The weapon was never recovered. 243 00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:23,137 There are many ways in which 244 00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:25,306 efforts to make a system more reliable 245 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,892 actually backfire and make it less reliable. 246 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:31,604 Sometimes we add a redundant system. 247 00:20:31,772 --> 00:20:33,773 We add backup systems 248 00:20:33,941 --> 00:20:35,775 so that if one fails, 249 00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:38,110 another can take its place. 250 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:47,703 But complexity is the enemy of reliability, 251 00:20:47,871 --> 00:20:50,414 because as you add systems and make them more complex, 252 00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:53,334 it's harder to understand all the potential interactions. 253 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:11,686 lt's that unlikely, bizarre interaction 254 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:13,980 where one person interacts with another 255 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:15,982 in a way that wasn't anticipated 256 00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:19,694 or one backup system interacts with another 257 00:21:19,861 --> 00:21:22,196 in ways that you can't figure out ahead of time 258 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:23,823 and therefore can't plan around-- 259 00:21:23,991 --> 00:21:25,574 those are what cause the problems. 260 00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:29,870 ln 1961 , a B52 broke apart in midair 261 00:21:30,038 --> 00:21:32,415 over Goldsboro, North Carolina, 262 00:21:32,582 --> 00:21:34,792 causing two nuclear bombs to fall. 263 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,211 One parachute functioned properly, 264 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:41,632 and that bomb survived with minor damage. 265 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,968 The other parachute failed to open. 266 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:45,803 When that bomb hit, 267 00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:47,888 five of six safety devices malfunctioned. 268 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:52,143 A single switch prevented a nuclear explosion. 269 00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:56,605 When l worked in the Pentagon, 270 00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:58,899 l believed that the likelihood 271 00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,235 of a nuclear weapons accident 272 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:04,155 in the United States occurring was very low. 273 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,198 l still believe that. 274 00:22:06,366 --> 00:22:10,661 But low-probability events happen. 275 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:12,997 They happen all the time. 276 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:16,876 There's a first time in history for every event. 277 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,045 Eventually 278 00:22:19,212 --> 00:22:21,630 those low-probability events will occur. 279 00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:28,888 ( people exclaim ) 280 00:22:29,056 --> 00:22:31,349 - Woman: Was that supposed to happen? - Man: No. 281 00:23:06,593 --> 00:23:09,261 Man: l could probably list every country in the world today. 282 00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:10,971 Whoo! 283 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:12,932 How many countries do l think have nuclear weapons? 284 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,975 - List them? - China. 285 00:23:15,143 --> 00:23:18,187 - l don't think l signed up for this. - Russia. 286 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,024 U.K., maybe? 287 00:23:23,026 --> 00:23:24,151 America, l'm guessing. 288 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:27,405 Oh, us? Oh, well, that was a given. 289 00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:29,365 - France. - Germany? 290 00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:31,409 - Australia? - Canada? l don't think Canada. 291 00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:32,576 No? 292 00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:35,371 Japan? 293 00:23:37,082 --> 00:23:38,499 No, not Japan. 294 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,126 There's more. l know there's more. 295 00:23:40,293 --> 00:23:42,753 lraq, lran, Saudi Arabia. 296 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:47,299 All other countries that's not telling us-- they have 'em. 297 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:48,759 Afghanistan? 298 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,845 - North Korea? - North Korea. 299 00:23:51,012 --> 00:23:52,805 Do they? Okay, North Korea. 300 00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,058 Who knows? Who knows exactly? 301 00:23:56,226 --> 00:23:57,309 l don't know. l'm out. 302 00:23:58,687 --> 00:23:59,687 l think that's it. 303 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:01,021 - Yeah. - Yeah. 304 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:07,111 Wilson: After the United States detonated 305 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,655 the first atomic bomb in the New Mexico desert, 306 00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:12,825 nuclear technology began to spread 307 00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:15,536 and other countries began to acquire 308 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,955 their own nuclear bombs. 309 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:21,333 ( Russian announcer speaking ) 310 00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:35,681 Reporter: Great credit is due for this mighty British achievement, 311 00:24:35,849 --> 00:24:37,641 for it seems 312 00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:39,935 that by the possession of such deadly weapons 313 00:24:40,103 --> 00:24:44,064 peace can be maintained in this troubled world. 314 00:24:48,028 --> 00:24:49,862 Reporter #2: At Reggane, deep in the Sahara, 315 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:52,072 France goes foward with the detonation 316 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,158 of her first atomic bomb. 317 00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:56,494 The explosion carries France a step further 318 00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,496 towards General de Gaulle's dream 319 00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:01,248 of national glory restored. 320 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,132 Man: This is a gigantic success of Mao Zedong's thought. 321 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,219 Our nation's first nuclear test 322 00:25:13,386 --> 00:25:15,930 surpasses the levels of the first nuclear tests 323 00:25:16,097 --> 00:25:18,682 of the United States, Britain and France. 324 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:22,019 Their criminal attempt to block and prevent our nation's people 325 00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:24,230 from grasping nuclear weapons 326 00:25:24,397 --> 00:25:27,024 have been thoroughly smashed. 327 00:25:54,469 --> 00:25:57,096 Walter Cronkite: Pakistan, which has often been at war with lndia, 328 00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,223 hinted it now might have to join 329 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:01,433 the once-select nuclear community in self-defense 330 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:04,270 and warned, "Membership of the nuclear club 331 00:26:04,437 --> 00:26:06,522 will not stop at six." 332 00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:09,233 One prime minister of Pakistan said that Pakistan 333 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,527 would build a nuclear weapon even if it meant 334 00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:12,903 that the people had to eat grass. 335 00:26:13,071 --> 00:26:17,116 "We will make the bomb even if we have to eat grass." 336 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:25,499 ( men shouting in Arabic ) 337 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,719 Reporter: ln Karachi, they poured into the streets 338 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,555 pulling a symbol of the power they're celebrating. 339 00:26:39,723 --> 00:26:43,100 The bomb has become a huge source of national pride. 340 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,312 Pervez Musharraf: Total jubilation in the streets of Pakistan-- 341 00:26:46,479 --> 00:26:48,355 the first time we've achieved something 342 00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:50,733 which places us in the ranks 343 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,485 of very very few countries of the world. 344 00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:55,487 We were proud of our scientists. 345 00:26:55,655 --> 00:26:57,531 We were proud of our capabilities 346 00:26:57,699 --> 00:26:58,991 We were proud of our strength. 347 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:00,618 People thought that, 348 00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:03,078 "Now let lndia do anything to Pakistan. 349 00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,497 Let's see what they do." 350 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:16,133 Mike Chinoy: l had North Korean officials say to me 351 00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:18,135 the lesson they took away 352 00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,471 from the toppling of Saddam Hussein 353 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,514 was that Saddam was ousted 354 00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:24,600 because he didn't have a bomb. 355 00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:27,478 They were not going to let the same thing happen to Kim Jong ll. 356 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:29,813 Therefore, they needed to have a bomb. 357 00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:37,738 North Korea is scared of disappearing into 358 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,741 what the communists used to call the "dustbin of history" 359 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:42,910 like all their other communist friends. 360 00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:44,912 And they see nukes as the one thing 361 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,747 that makes them the country 362 00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:49,166 that is taken seriously by the United States 363 00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:51,293 and the other big players in the neighborhood. 364 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,347 Wilson: Every country has enemies. 365 00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:10,145 Every country can use self-defense 366 00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:12,940 as a rationale for acquiring nuclear weapons. 367 00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:15,025 But if every country does so, 368 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:17,069 it is a much more dangerous world. 369 00:28:27,247 --> 00:28:30,374 Oppenheimer: When you see something that is technically sweet, 370 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,377 you do it. 371 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:37,047 That is the way it was with the atomic bomb. 372 00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:42,177 Film narrator: The father of the atomic bomb, Robert Oppenheimer, 373 00:28:42,345 --> 00:28:46,140 gave some frank answers to important questions in 1947. 374 00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:48,350 Oppenheimer: l have been asked 375 00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:50,811 whether in the years to come it will be possible 376 00:28:50,979 --> 00:28:53,939 to kill 40 million American people 377 00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:56,984 in the 20 largest American towns 378 00:28:57,152 --> 00:29:01,739 by the use of atomic bombs in a single night. 379 00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:06,994 l am afraid that the answer to that question is yes. 380 00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,789 l have been asked whether there is hope 381 00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:14,209 for the nation's security 382 00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,670 in keeping secret some of the knowledge 383 00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:20,132 which has gone into the making of the bombs. 384 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,384 l am afraid there is no such hope. 385 00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:35,522 Alexander Glaser: A nuclear weapon, in a sense, 386 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:38,817 is the most simple configuration 387 00:29:38,985 --> 00:29:40,819 of nuclear material that you can imagine. 388 00:29:40,987 --> 00:29:42,821 You just bring together 389 00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:45,783 a certain quantity of fissile material-- 390 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:48,368 highly-enriched uranium or plutonium-- 391 00:29:48,536 --> 00:29:51,955 and if you do it right, it will explode. 392 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:57,252 Hoodbhoy: The design of the first atom bomb 393 00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:00,798 was a very deep secret. 394 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:04,885 ln fact, that was a time 395 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:06,887 when people didn't even know 396 00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:09,056 whether a bomb was possible. 397 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:12,935 Now the making of the atom bomb has become much easier. 398 00:30:17,732 --> 00:30:20,442 Joseph Biden: Those who say building a nuclear weapon is easy-- 399 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:22,528 they're very wrong. 400 00:30:22,695 --> 00:30:24,988 But those who say building a crude device is very difficult-- 401 00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:26,949 they are more wrong. 402 00:30:27,116 --> 00:30:28,659 Would you agree with that statement? 403 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:32,329 l won't comment on that statement, sir. 404 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:35,374 Bunn: People from the U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories 405 00:30:35,542 --> 00:30:37,876 were testifying in a classified session to Congress. 406 00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:40,379 And they said that it would be possible 407 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,589 to make a nuclear bomb 408 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:45,425 with all the parts being commercially available 409 00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:47,636 except for the actual nuclear material. 410 00:30:47,804 --> 00:30:50,430 Allison: Senator Biden asked 411 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:52,891 the heads of the three weapons labs, 412 00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:55,894 "ls this possible? ls it really possible that terrorists could do this?" 413 00:30:56,062 --> 00:30:58,522 And they said yes. They said, "This is something 414 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,066 that we test our graduate students on from time to time. 415 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:03,068 We take two graduate students 416 00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:05,779 who haven't been prepared for doing this. 417 00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,866 We tell them, 'See if you can make a bomb that would work.' 418 00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,202 Lo and behold, most of them pass this test." 419 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,041 Bunn: Biden said, "Prove it." 420 00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:21,879 And so they went and made a nuclear bomb, 421 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:25,799 with everything other than the nuclear material, from commercial parts. 422 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:27,801 They actually brought it 423 00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:31,263 into the classified hearing room in the Senate. 424 00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:33,849 Typically, an implosion bomb would have 425 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:37,519 something like 25kg of uranium, 426 00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:39,521 which is about the size of a grapefruit. 427 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:43,817 lf, let's say, 428 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:48,488 between 70kg and 100kg of H.E.U. 429 00:31:48,656 --> 00:31:50,490 is available, 430 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:54,620 then the design is not a major factor. 431 00:31:54,787 --> 00:31:56,997 lt would not be very efficient. 432 00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:59,333 lt would not use all the uranium 433 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:01,543 that was used in it. 434 00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:04,630 And yet it could be enough to level a city. 435 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,128 Tony Blair: During my 10 years as prime minister, 436 00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:48,090 what l really noticed was that it was actually 437 00:32:48,257 --> 00:32:50,384 the threat of the proliferation, 438 00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:52,386 the fact that these weapons could fall 439 00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:54,262 into other people's hands-- 440 00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:57,015 that was the thing that troubled me, 441 00:32:57,183 --> 00:32:59,601 that kept me awake at night. 442 00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:01,979 Reporter: ln the capital, lslamabad, 443 00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:04,356 word hit the streets in early afternoon-- 444 00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:07,150 another nuclear device tested successfully. 445 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:08,902 ( crowd cheering ) 446 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:10,862 Reporter #2: As Pakistan celebrated, 447 00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:12,781 the public hailed A.Q. Khan 448 00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:15,325 as the father of the lslamic bomb. 449 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,120 Andrew Koch: ln 1974 A.Q. Khan was working at a company 450 00:33:18,287 --> 00:33:21,331 that was developing a brand-new process for enriching uranium. 451 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:23,333 He stole their designs 452 00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:25,210 and took the list of all their suppliers. 453 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:28,088 At the end of the day, he's not really a master scientist, 454 00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:31,174 but he's a master smuggler and a master organizer. 455 00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:34,052 He knows how to get the pieces out of the countries 456 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,472 and how to find stuff and buy stuff. 457 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,599 Ahmed Rashid: There was this whole clandestine apparatus 458 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,810 that was set up by the intelligence services, 459 00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:45,188 by the army and by Dr. Khan. 460 00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:47,190 Restrictions were placed. Sanctions were placed. 461 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:50,027 But somehow the Pakistanis got around that. 462 00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:53,905 And the formal help actually came from lndia's enemy-- China. 463 00:33:54,073 --> 00:33:55,907 China gave a blueprint 464 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,994 of a nuclear bomb to Pakistan. 465 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:02,080 Koch: Somewhere around the early 1980s 466 00:34:02,248 --> 00:34:04,833 Khan makes contact with the lranians 467 00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:06,835 who are very interested in getting a bomb 468 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:08,837 but clearly don't have the scientific 469 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,089 or industrial capacity to do it themselves. 470 00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:13,425 And thus he starts on a commercial enterprise. 471 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:17,679 Khan has got a full marketing regime laid out 472 00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:20,599 with brochures and videotapes to offer his nuclear wares. 473 00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:24,352 Wilson: lt's extremely lucrative business. 474 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,190 He had extensive contacts, networks, 475 00:34:28,357 --> 00:34:30,192 and he didn't much care about 476 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:33,695 who the ultimate client was going to be. 477 00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:36,406 Joe Cirincione: He contacted lran, 478 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:38,658 North Korea, Libya. 479 00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:40,869 But he didn't just give them the technologies. 480 00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:44,164 He also took the bomb designs that the Pakistanis had 481 00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:46,625 and threw those in as a sweetener. 482 00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:49,795 He gave them 24/7 technology support. 483 00:34:49,962 --> 00:34:52,547 Got a problem? Call 1-800-AQKHAN. 484 00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:55,092 lt was a full-service operation. 485 00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,553 Wilson: U.S. intelligence 486 00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,848 began to focus on A.Q. Khan in the late 1990s. 487 00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:05,268 The home run was in December 2003 with Libya. 488 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:12,776 Rashid: The C.l.A. and British intelligence 489 00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:16,404 essentially caught the Khan network red-handed 490 00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:20,826 selling a full-scale nuclear weapon to Libya. 491 00:35:20,993 --> 00:35:23,286 Cirincione: lf it wasn't for A.Q. Khan, 492 00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:25,580 Libya never would have gotten the centrifuges 493 00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:27,791 that they've now, thankfully, given up. 494 00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:29,960 lf it wasn't for A.Q. Khan, 495 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,130 there wouldn't be an lranian nuclear program. 496 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:37,008 ( applause ) 497 00:35:37,176 --> 00:35:39,719 lran is the tip of the spear. 498 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,931 lt's the big problem that we have to solve. 499 00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:48,270 They promised not to build nuclear weapons. 500 00:35:48,437 --> 00:35:52,065 But the problem is that the very same centrifuges, 501 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:54,818 the very same factory that can enrich uranium 502 00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,737 to low quantities for nuclear fuel 503 00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:01,074 can enrich it to high quantities for nuclear weapons. 504 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:04,035 So the question is, do you trust lran? 505 00:36:04,203 --> 00:36:06,830 ( crowd cheering ) 506 00:36:06,998 --> 00:36:10,000 By their own admission, they deceived inspectors 507 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:14,045 about their nuclear activities for 17 years. 508 00:36:16,257 --> 00:36:18,758 ( Ahmadinejad speaking Farsi ) 509 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:37,819 Wilson: Without question, lran is trying to get a nuclear bomb. 510 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,821 They've made that very clear, 511 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:42,532 despite their promises that they are only pursuing 512 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,993 civilian, peaceful objectives 513 00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:46,995 for their nuclear program. 514 00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:49,623 They're really good at trying to bring things in 515 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:52,209 that can be used for their nuclear program. 516 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:54,878 The lranians have worked very hard 517 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:58,256 at disguising and hiding their facilities. 518 00:36:58,424 --> 00:37:00,258 Many of their facilities are 519 00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,761 in crowded urban areas and underground, 520 00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:06,097 extremely well-protected from any sort of aerial bombing. 521 00:37:06,265 --> 00:37:09,100 Tony Blair: lf lran were to acquire nuclear weapons capability, 522 00:37:09,268 --> 00:37:11,853 the impact is across the whole of the region. 523 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:13,855 You will get a whole set of other countries 524 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:17,025 deciding they've got to acquire nuclear weapons capability. 525 00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:21,988 Cirincione: Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt-- 526 00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:25,116 the rivals of the lranian Shia state 527 00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:26,910 would match their capabilities 528 00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:28,828 and we would go from a Middle East 529 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:31,289 with one nuclear-armed nation-- lsrael-- 530 00:37:31,457 --> 00:37:34,251 to one with three, four or five nuclear-armed nations. 531 00:37:34,418 --> 00:37:36,920 Wilson: They are surrounded by 532 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:40,048 very unstable regimes and countries. 533 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:42,425 lf lran acquires everything it needs, 534 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:44,427 without doubt, pieces of that 535 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:46,721 become more readily available 536 00:37:46,889 --> 00:37:50,183 to terrorist organizations like Hamas. 537 00:37:53,771 --> 00:37:56,481 Tony Blair: The risk that you have today 538 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,985 with a regime like lran or North Korea 539 00:38:00,152 --> 00:38:03,530 is they are prepared to start trading 540 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:06,950 that nuclear weapons capability and technology. 541 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,911 Chinoy: The Pakistanis had the nuclear know-how. 542 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,913 They didn't have the delivery system. 543 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,915 The North Koreans had the missile 544 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:16,042 and didn't have the nuclear know-how. 545 00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:20,255 So there was a natural convergence of interests here. 546 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,675 The North Koreans have a long track record 547 00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:25,969 of selling military technology and missiles 548 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:28,179 to the Syrians, to the lranians, 549 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,682 to the lraqis, to the Pakistanis. 550 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:33,059 They don't really have any other exports. 551 00:38:36,939 --> 00:38:39,691 Daily life is very grim. 552 00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,818 Food is in short supply. 553 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,571 You drive around the capital Pyongyang at night, 554 00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,364 and it's basically dark. 555 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:48,366 There's a famous satellite photo 556 00:38:48,534 --> 00:38:50,869 that shows the Korean peninsula. 557 00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:53,246 And in the South you see all these lights, 558 00:38:53,414 --> 00:38:56,750 and then it's just black. 559 00:38:58,419 --> 00:39:01,212 Wilson: We are still dealing with 560 00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:05,050 his years of unchecked activity and contacts. 561 00:39:05,217 --> 00:39:08,720 And it really is a genie out of the bottle 562 00:39:08,888 --> 00:39:12,640 that cannot be easily put back. 563 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,947 Cirincione: We've spent billions of dollars 564 00:39:28,115 --> 00:39:30,867 putting in radiation detectors, 565 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:35,246 but highly-enriched uranium is easily shielded. 566 00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:40,752 lf you are depending on portal monitors 567 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,506 to defend a city against a nuclear detonation, 568 00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:48,343 you have done far too much too late. 569 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:51,471 Nuclear weapons 570 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,099 don't have to be exactly on target. 571 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,142 Close is good enough. 572 00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:59,687 lf a terrorist thinks that the portal monitor might detect the weapon, 573 00:39:59,855 --> 00:40:01,898 they set it off in the port. 574 00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:06,444 Bunn: Highly-enriched uranium is easy to smuggle. 575 00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:09,447 The radiation is very weak. 576 00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:20,250 The detectors that we're putting in place now 577 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,544 would have no chance of detecting 578 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:25,380 highly-enriched uranium in a cargo container. 579 00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:36,391 Cirincione: The signature from highly enriched uranium is so slight 580 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,727 that they have to set the monitors very high to detect it. 581 00:40:39,895 --> 00:40:44,023 And so they're getting thousands of false alarms every day. 582 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:47,819 Toilets will set it off-- china, porcelain, 583 00:40:47,987 --> 00:40:50,447 584 00:40:50,614 --> 00:40:52,449 a lot of biological materials 585 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,285 like tobacco, some algae, 586 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,371 televisions-- the old-style televisions-- 587 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:01,249 kitty litter, a lot of chemical products, 588 00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:03,418 and a lot of other stuff also. 589 00:41:09,008 --> 00:41:11,926 You want to smuggle a bomb into the United States? 590 00:41:12,094 --> 00:41:14,888 Ship it in a truck with kitty litter. 591 00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:16,973 No one would ever find it. 592 00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:22,187 Bunn: They're great for really radioactive stuff 593 00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:24,189 like cesium or something 594 00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:26,232 that might be used in a dirty bomb. 595 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,444 But for the stuff that you would use to make a nuclear bomb 596 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:31,571 that would incinerate the heart of a major city-- 597 00:41:31,739 --> 00:41:33,531 they're not gonna detect that. 598 00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:42,373 Mowatt-Larssen: Robert Oppenheimer-- in 1946 599 00:41:42,541 --> 00:41:44,417 he appeared in a closed session of the Senate. 600 00:41:44,585 --> 00:41:46,419 And one of the senators asked him 601 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:50,048 if nuclear terrorism was a potential threat. 602 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:52,050 He said, "Of course. 603 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:55,512 Terrorists could bring a bomb into New York City 604 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,514 and destroy the city." 605 00:41:57,681 --> 00:42:01,643 Somebody asked him, "How would you stop it?" 606 00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:03,645 He said, "With a screwdriver, 607 00:42:03,812 --> 00:42:06,481 to open up every container that comes into the city." 608 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,080 Jeffrey Lewis: Once you've smuggled the highly-enriched uranium 609 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:24,832 into the U.S., you will need a place to build the bomb. 610 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,837 The bomb could be built right in the target city. 611 00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:33,550 The hard part was what we did in 1945. 612 00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:37,011 The hard part is doing it the first time. 613 00:42:37,179 --> 00:42:39,013 This is no longer a conceptual challenge. 614 00:42:39,181 --> 00:42:40,807 There is no trick. 615 00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:42,850 There is no magic that needs to be figured out. 616 00:42:43,018 --> 00:42:45,436 lt's really just an engineering challenge. 617 00:42:45,604 --> 00:42:47,564 lt's definitely not rocket science. 618 00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,941 Rocket science is hard. 619 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:51,943 Glaser: You can make a very simple weapon, 620 00:42:52,111 --> 00:42:54,153 a so-called "gun-type" weapon 621 00:42:54,321 --> 00:42:56,447 which was the one used in Hiroshima. 622 00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:58,783 Lewis: lt was so simple, 623 00:42:58,951 --> 00:43:01,953 we didn't even test it before we dropped it. 624 00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:04,414 lt is essentially just a gun barrel. 625 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:07,083 And you have a target. And you have a projectile. 626 00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:09,752 And you propel the projectile into the target. 627 00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:14,591 You'll need an artillery gun 628 00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,677 to fire one piece of H.E.U. at the other, 629 00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:21,097 which would be bolted onto the muzzle of the gun. 630 00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:24,017 The military sells these things as surplus, 631 00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:26,102 but they sell them disabled. 632 00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:28,980 You would have to make the gun capable of shooting again. 633 00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:31,107 And you'd want to test-fire the gun to make sure 634 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:34,444 that it fired the projectile at the right speed. 635 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:38,531 This is the only thing that you would need to do off site. 636 00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:40,533 You would need a group of people-- 637 00:43:40,701 --> 00:43:43,745 let's say, between 15 to 20 to 25-- 638 00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,831 who would be knowledgeable in particular aspects 639 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:49,917 of weapons design, of explosives. 640 00:43:50,085 --> 00:43:51,919 Two or three people to do the machining, 641 00:43:52,087 --> 00:43:54,005 two or three people to work on the gun, 642 00:43:54,173 --> 00:43:56,466 two or three people to work on electronics, 643 00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,386 people who are experts in ballistics. 644 00:44:00,554 --> 00:44:02,472 People who know something about nuclear physics. 645 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,474 You'd need the machinists and the metallurgists 646 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,267 to make your pieces into the right shape 647 00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:08,061 and make sure they all fit together. 648 00:44:08,228 --> 00:44:10,355 Hoodbhoy: Ordinary explosives and detonators, 649 00:44:10,522 --> 00:44:12,982 maybe some electronic equipment. 650 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:14,817 Lewis: You could go online 651 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,070 and easily find the lathe for $10,000. 652 00:44:17,237 --> 00:44:20,323 You can find the furnace for about $50,000. 653 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:23,159 And you can even find a surplus recoilless rifle 654 00:44:23,327 --> 00:44:26,371 probably also for $10,000. 655 00:44:26,538 --> 00:44:30,124 Bunn: More than 90% of the effort in the Manhattan Project 656 00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:32,585 was making the nuclear material 657 00:44:32,753 --> 00:44:34,962 to make the nuclear bomb. 658 00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:37,507 lf you can get hold of that nuclear material, 659 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,802 then it doesn't take a Manhattan Project to make a bomb. 660 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,693 Mowatt-Larssen: lf the circumstances are right, 661 00:44:56,860 --> 00:45:00,613 acquiring a complete bomb may be easier than building one. 662 00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:03,116 ln Algeria in 1961 , 663 00:45:03,283 --> 00:45:06,119 officers within the French military revolted 664 00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:08,246 and tried to seize a nuclear weapon. 665 00:45:08,414 --> 00:45:10,373 As the rebels closed in, 666 00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:13,251 the weapon was detonated in a degraded explosion 667 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:15,586 to prevent it from falling into the hands 668 00:45:15,754 --> 00:45:17,463 of the rebelling officers. 669 00:45:17,631 --> 00:45:20,091 ( explosion ) 670 00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:29,642 Mowatt-Larssen: The Japanese death terror cult Aum Shinrikyo 671 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:33,479 attempted to buy a nuclear bomb in the Soviet Union. 672 00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:36,065 They had a lot of resources. 673 00:45:36,233 --> 00:45:38,943 We're talking well over $1 billion of assets. 674 00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:41,821 And secondly, they had tremendous access. 675 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:43,990 At one point the group had more members in Russia, 676 00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:46,617 in the former Soviet Union than they had in Japan. 677 00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:52,540 ln 1994 a senior leader 678 00:45:52,708 --> 00:45:54,542 made eight trips to Russia. 679 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:57,295 His personal notebook included a shopping list 680 00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:01,215 for buying a nuclear warhead for $15 million. 681 00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:04,969 Hoodbhoy: A perfectly secure nuclear weapon 682 00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:07,513 is also a perfectly unusable one. 683 00:46:07,681 --> 00:46:09,766 So here one has this paradox 684 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:13,561 between security and usability. 685 00:46:15,981 --> 00:46:17,815 Cirincione: Where's the most dangerous place 686 00:46:17,983 --> 00:46:19,942 in the world right now? 687 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,944 For my money, it is Pakistan. 688 00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:24,238 You've got an unstable government, 689 00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:26,991 plus enough material for up to 100 nuclear weapons, 690 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,745 plus Osama Bin Laden in the country. 691 00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:35,374 ( man speaking Urdu over speaker ) 692 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:41,339 Rashid: What we've seen 693 00:46:41,507 --> 00:46:43,508 over the last two or three years 694 00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:46,844 has been a spiral that is going downwards-- 695 00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:49,764 destabilization, the spread of the Taliban, 696 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:53,226 the spread of radicalism, the collapse of the economy. 697 00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:57,021 So could there be a colonels' coup in Pakistan 698 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,774 by lslamic radicals within the military? 699 00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:02,944 And then could nuclear weapons be at risk? 700 00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:07,865 Cirincione: What happens if that country destabilizes? 701 00:47:08,033 --> 00:47:11,661 What happens if the army splits? 702 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:13,412 Who gets the weapons? 703 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:15,373 Who gets the material for the weapons? 704 00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:17,166 Who gets the scientists 705 00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:19,710 who know how to build the weapons? 706 00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:28,970 Bruce Blair: There's no such thing as perfect command 707 00:47:29,137 --> 00:47:31,556 and control over nuclear weapons 708 00:47:31,723 --> 00:47:34,892 even in the most sophisticated of arsenals. 709 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:42,692 From the level of the president on down, 710 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:44,694 there are human weaknesses, 711 00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,779 technical problems, 712 00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:48,948 deficiencies and vulnerabilities. 713 00:47:54,663 --> 00:47:57,874 l was a launch officer for Minuteman missiles 714 00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:02,795 and spent three years in Montana in a hole-- 715 00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:05,965 in an underground launch control center. 716 00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:13,931 l was one of the guys responsible 717 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:16,934 for getting these missiles off the ground in one minute. 718 00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:20,771 We didn't call them "Minuteman missiles" for nothing. 719 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:31,574 When l was serving 720 00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:34,243 in the air force as a launch officer, 721 00:48:34,411 --> 00:48:37,538 there was a device in the launch control center 722 00:48:37,706 --> 00:48:40,333 into which 12 digits had to be dialed in 723 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,835 in order to unlock the missiles for firing. 724 00:48:43,003 --> 00:48:46,589 This had been installed under Robert McNamara 725 00:48:46,757 --> 00:48:49,675 over the objections of the Strategic Air Command. 726 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,094 Since they couldn't prevent 727 00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:54,555 the panel from being installed, 728 00:48:54,723 --> 00:48:56,849 the Strategic Air Command in Omaha 729 00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,436 had set these codes to zero, and we all knew it. 730 00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:03,272 That was the secret unlock code 731 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,524 for firing our missiles-- 732 00:49:05,692 --> 00:49:08,194 12 zeros. 733 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:10,196 ln fact, in our launch checklist 734 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,198 we had to ensure 735 00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:15,451 that the unlock code was set to all zeros 736 00:49:15,619 --> 00:49:18,245 before we completed the launch sequence. 737 00:49:18,413 --> 00:49:20,456 ( panel clicking ) 738 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:26,295 This changed in 1977 739 00:49:26,463 --> 00:49:28,798 when they started using actual codes. 740 00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:31,968 But until then, l and one other crew member 741 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:34,887 could have actually formatted a launch order-- 742 00:49:35,055 --> 00:49:38,057 a completely valid launch order 743 00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:40,059 and transmitted it 744 00:49:40,227 --> 00:49:42,895 to the entire American strategic arsenal. 745 00:49:43,063 --> 00:49:45,481 lt looks like we're in a shooting war. 746 00:49:45,649 --> 00:49:48,150 Aw hell. 747 00:49:48,318 --> 00:49:49,986 Are the Russians involved, sir? 748 00:49:50,153 --> 00:49:51,445 Mandrake, that's all l've been told. 749 00:49:51,613 --> 00:49:53,072 lt just came in on the red phone. 750 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,740 My orders are for this base to be sealed tight, 751 00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:56,283 and that's what l mean to do-- seal it tight. 752 00:49:56,451 --> 00:50:00,746 Now l want you to transmit Plan R-- 753 00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:02,915 R for Robert-- to the wing. 754 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:06,419 - Plan R, for Robert. - ls it that bad, sir? 755 00:50:06,586 --> 00:50:08,963 - lt looks like it's pretty hairy. - Yes, sir. 756 00:50:09,131 --> 00:50:11,007 Bruce Blair: l remember watching "Dr. Strangelove" 757 00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:13,801 and thinking they had it all wrong. 758 00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:16,303 You don't need to be a general. 759 00:50:16,471 --> 00:50:18,472 We were only lieutenants, 760 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,558 but we could've started World War lll 761 00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:22,768 just as easily as General Jack Ripper. 762 00:50:22,936 --> 00:50:25,438 We could have triggered implementation 763 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:27,273 of the U.S. nuclear war plan 764 00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,026 involving thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons 765 00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:33,696 fired at the Soviet Union and China. 766 00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:36,615 Man over speaker: Stand by. Message follows. 767 00:50:36,783 --> 00:50:40,077 Alfa Tango Golf Lima. 768 00:50:40,245 --> 00:50:42,079 Bruce Blair: The life of a launch officer 769 00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:43,998 is really kind of Pavlovian. 770 00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:47,501 You have been trained and conditioned so thoroughly, 771 00:50:47,669 --> 00:50:49,670 you kind of march lockstep 772 00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:52,965 into a very well-rehearsed script 773 00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:55,593 that's driven by checklists. 774 00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:57,845 Man: Step one-- launch keys inserted. 775 00:50:58,013 --> 00:50:59,722 Roger. 776 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,224 Bruce Blair: We would jump up, unlock our safe, 777 00:51:02,392 --> 00:51:04,727 take out codes... 778 00:51:04,895 --> 00:51:07,897 ( alarm blaring ) 779 00:51:08,065 --> 00:51:10,858 ...check the codes against the message, 780 00:51:11,026 --> 00:51:12,860 then proceed through a launch checklist 781 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:15,613 that takes about one minute to carry out. 782 00:51:17,949 --> 00:51:21,118 Man: Let's enable the missiles. Program slide switch enabled. 783 00:51:21,286 --> 00:51:22,369 - Roger. - Flight all. L.F. all. 784 00:51:22,537 --> 00:51:23,829 Online code inserted. 785 00:51:23,997 --> 00:51:26,082 Stand by. 786 00:51:26,249 --> 00:51:27,875 Online codes inserted. 787 00:51:28,043 --> 00:51:30,127 - Enable switch enabled. - lt's enabled. 788 00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,546 Bruce Blair: At the end of that process 789 00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:34,548 the two of you turn keys 790 00:51:34,716 --> 00:51:36,550 and launch up to 50 missiles 791 00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:38,928 at the Soviet Union and/or China. 792 00:51:54,611 --> 00:51:58,239 Today, the posture of the United States and Russia 793 00:51:58,406 --> 00:52:02,368 is exactly the same as it was during the Cold War. 794 00:52:02,536 --> 00:52:04,578 So if the orders went down right now, 795 00:52:04,746 --> 00:52:07,998 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 796 00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:10,501 it would take about two minutes 797 00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:14,839 to launch all of the U.S. nuclear ballistic missiles 798 00:52:15,006 --> 00:52:17,091 out of their tubes in the Midwest, 799 00:52:17,259 --> 00:52:19,093 about that length of time 800 00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:21,178 for the Russians to do the same. 801 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:24,390 And then it would take another 10 to 12 minutes 802 00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:27,726 for everything else that's on launch-ready alert 803 00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:30,312 to be fired... 804 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,075 so that within 15 minutes 805 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:45,536 all of the forces on launch-ready alert 806 00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:47,788 would be in the air 807 00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:50,166 on their flight to the other side of the planet-- 808 00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:52,918 2000 bombs, 809 00:52:53,086 --> 00:52:56,589 strategic nuclear weapons, very high-yield. 810 00:52:56,756 --> 00:52:59,842 And they could kill 811 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,261 over 100 million Russians and Americans 812 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,597 within 30 minutes. 813 00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:14,398 Roger Molander: When we were working on nuclear arms control, 814 00:53:14,566 --> 00:53:18,068 l found myself in a meeting in the Pentagon with a colonel 815 00:53:18,236 --> 00:53:20,112 and we got into a short exchange about this. 816 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,199 And in the context of this exchange, he said: 817 00:53:23,366 --> 00:53:25,618 "But l don't understand what would be such a big deal 818 00:53:25,785 --> 00:53:27,870 if there were a nuclear exchange. 819 00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:30,456 Only about 500 million people would die. 820 00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:33,209 Life would go on aftewards." 821 00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:37,379 And l can remember having a feeling 822 00:53:37,547 --> 00:53:40,758 like Woody Allen in "Annie Hall"-- 823 00:53:40,926 --> 00:53:43,719 "l'm sorry, l've got an appointment back on planet Earth." 824 00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:18,337 Man: l don't think that anyone really knows 825 00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,423 how many nuclear weapons there are on the planet today. 826 00:54:23,426 --> 00:54:25,928 - l haven't got a-- - Does anyone know that? 827 00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:28,222 100? 828 00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:32,351 Maybe thousands, l don't know. Far more than l know. 829 00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:36,355 6,000. 830 00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:41,277 l don't know. 15,000. 831 00:54:41,444 --> 00:54:43,487 - 20,000. - 50,000? 832 00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:45,781 - 100,000. - 500,000. 833 00:54:45,949 --> 00:54:49,243 There's enough nuclear firepower on one U.S. nuclear sub 834 00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:51,078 to annihilate probably half the planet. 835 00:54:53,331 --> 00:54:54,873 l've heard people say 836 00:54:55,041 --> 00:54:57,209 that we have enough nuclear weapons to create a new sun. 837 00:54:57,377 --> 00:55:00,337 lt only takes a couple to eliminate this city. 838 00:55:00,505 --> 00:55:02,464 Do you know how many there are? 839 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:11,765 Cirincione: We estimate that there are about 23,000 nuclear weapons 840 00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:15,477 in the world still. 841 00:55:15,645 --> 00:55:19,231 The good news is there used to be 60,000. 842 00:55:19,399 --> 00:55:22,693 So we've cut those arsenals by more than half. 843 00:55:22,861 --> 00:55:25,237 But we-- the United States still has 844 00:55:25,405 --> 00:55:29,366 about 1500 hydrogen bombs on missiles 845 00:55:29,534 --> 00:55:33,662 poised for launch in 15 minutes or less. 846 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:37,499 The really bad news is the Russians have the same. 847 00:55:41,713 --> 00:55:44,173 Bruce Blair: lf the Russians fired missiles 848 00:55:44,341 --> 00:55:48,677 at the United States, 849 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:51,889 the first warning would come from satellites. 850 00:55:52,057 --> 00:55:53,891 And they could detect 851 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,226 the flame from the booster rocket 852 00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:58,645 within seconds, 853 00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:01,774 easily within a minute. 854 00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:04,443 Suddenly this early-warning hub 855 00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:06,487 in the United States 856 00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:08,530 would become very frenzied 857 00:56:08,698 --> 00:56:10,532 to try to figure out 858 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:12,534 whether this is a false alarm 859 00:56:12,702 --> 00:56:14,536 or whether this is a real attack, 860 00:56:14,704 --> 00:56:17,414 and determine this within 60 seconds. 861 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,006 The president would receive a briefing 862 00:56:26,174 --> 00:56:29,051 from the duty officer 863 00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:32,012 at Strategic Command Headquarters. 864 00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:34,431 That briefing of the president 865 00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:38,644 of his response options and their consequences 866 00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:42,856 has to be delivered in as little as 30 seconds. 867 00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:48,570 The president normally would have 868 00:56:48,738 --> 00:56:50,614 no more than 12 minutes to make a decision, 869 00:56:50,782 --> 00:56:54,410 and maybe as little as 10 seconds. 870 00:56:56,788 --> 00:56:59,915 Jimmy Carter: l knew that if the Soviets did launch an attack, 871 00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:03,419 that it would take 26 minutes for an l.C.B.M. 872 00:57:03,586 --> 00:57:05,421 to leave Russian soil 873 00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,923 and land in Washington or New York. 874 00:57:08,091 --> 00:57:11,260 And l had that much time to decide how to respond. 875 00:57:15,014 --> 00:57:19,560 ( Gorbachev speaking Russian ) 876 00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:39,872 Zbigniew Brzezinski: The timeline was very short. 877 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,332 He had just a few minutes to make a decision 878 00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:47,004 how to respond, at what level of intensity. 879 00:57:47,172 --> 00:57:50,340 Somewhere before the 10th minute 880 00:57:50,508 --> 00:57:53,844 the order to execute would be issued. 881 00:57:55,138 --> 00:57:56,972 Strategic Air Command 882 00:57:57,140 --> 00:58:00,267 probably would be airborne already by then 883 00:58:00,435 --> 00:58:03,061 just as a precaution. 884 00:58:06,065 --> 00:58:09,401 There might be a presidential evacuation 885 00:58:09,569 --> 00:58:11,403 so that the president would survive 886 00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:14,865 an attack on Washington, 887 00:58:15,033 --> 00:58:16,992 although l know of cases 888 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,079 in which the president chose not to be evacuated. 889 00:58:21,247 --> 00:58:24,416 And roughly by the 28th minute 890 00:58:24,584 --> 00:58:26,668 at the latest, 891 00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:31,173 those of us not evacuated would be dead. 892 00:58:39,015 --> 00:58:42,309 Bruce Blair: For us it was a kind of suicide duty. 893 00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:46,438 Any missile landing within half a mile of our location 894 00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:48,607 would probably have killed us. 895 00:58:48,775 --> 00:58:51,109 lf we had survived the attack, 896 00:58:51,277 --> 00:58:55,572 we were supposed to go to a designated rendezvous point. 897 00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:59,159 Our air would only last 24 hours. 898 00:58:59,327 --> 00:59:02,788 So we'd go out through an escape tube 899 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:04,790 which was filled with sand. 900 00:59:04,958 --> 00:59:06,792 We would have to release the bolts on the cover 901 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,919 and let the sand fall through 902 00:59:09,087 --> 00:59:11,630 and then crawl up the tube. 903 00:59:13,758 --> 00:59:16,468 Our tube came up under the parking lot, 904 00:59:16,636 --> 00:59:20,264 so we would have to break through the asphalt to get out. 905 00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:26,478 The rendezvous point might be 50 or 100 miles away, 906 00:59:26,646 --> 00:59:29,856 and you'd have to walk. 907 00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:34,027 Didn't really matter though. 908 00:59:34,195 --> 00:59:37,114 Everyone knew the radiation would kill us quickly anyway 909 00:59:37,282 --> 00:59:39,616 and you'd never make it to the rendezvous. 910 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:12,316 Cirincione: ln 1995 Pete Sampras won 911 01:00:12,483 --> 01:00:15,360 the U.S. Open and Wimbledon; 912 01:00:15,528 --> 01:00:19,281 George Clooney made his first big movie; 913 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:23,619 a bomb destroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City; 914 01:00:23,786 --> 01:00:27,497 O.J. Simpson was acquitted of murder; 915 01:00:27,665 --> 01:00:29,541 and we also came close 916 01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:32,336 to an accidental nuclear missile launch. 917 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:38,425 lra Helfand: On January 25th, 1995, 918 01:00:38,593 --> 01:00:40,802 the United States launched a rocket from Norway 919 01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:43,013 to study the northern lights. 920 01:00:43,181 --> 01:00:45,474 We told the Russians that we were gonna launch that rocket, 921 01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:49,770 but somebody in Moscow forgot to pass word on it. 922 01:00:49,937 --> 01:00:52,105 When they picked up the four stages of this rocket, 923 01:00:52,273 --> 01:00:54,483 they initially interpreted this 924 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:58,487 as four warheads from a U.S. nuclear submarine 925 01:00:58,655 --> 01:01:00,781 which we often station off the coast of Noway, 926 01:01:00,948 --> 01:01:03,075 possibly directed at Moscow. 927 01:01:03,242 --> 01:01:05,911 That fit exactly the characteristics 928 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,913 of the beginning of a nuclear strike: 929 01:01:08,081 --> 01:01:09,915 One missile coming over, 930 01:01:10,083 --> 01:01:11,833 exploding in the atmosphere 931 01:01:12,001 --> 01:01:13,835 sending out an electromagnetic pulse 932 01:01:14,003 --> 01:01:15,962 that would fry all the electronics-- 933 01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:18,590 radar, surveillance, computers-- 934 01:01:18,758 --> 01:01:20,592 in the country to be attacked, 935 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,262 followed by an onslaught of nuclear weapons. 936 01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:26,973 And for the first time in the nuclear age, 937 01:01:27,141 --> 01:01:29,935 the Russians actually opened up the nuclear football. 938 01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:31,812 They went to President Yeltsin; they opened up 939 01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:34,606 the command and control launch codes-- the button-- 940 01:01:34,774 --> 01:01:37,317 put it on the desk and said, "We're under attack." 941 01:01:37,485 --> 01:01:39,695 Helfand: Boris Yeltsin was basically given 942 01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:41,905 five minutes to decide what to do. 943 01:01:42,073 --> 01:01:44,491 Fortunately, Yeltsin wasn't drunk 944 01:01:44,659 --> 01:01:47,577 and he didn't believe what the military was telling him. 945 01:01:47,745 --> 01:01:49,121 He said, "There must be some mistake." 946 01:01:49,288 --> 01:01:53,458 Both the U.S. and Russia guide their nuclear response 947 01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:55,669 with a doctrine called "Launch on Warning." 948 01:01:55,837 --> 01:01:58,338 lt is the policy that if you believe you're under attack, 949 01:01:58,506 --> 01:02:01,466 you're supposed to launch your missiles. You don't wait for them to land. 950 01:02:01,634 --> 01:02:03,844 According to Russian military doctrine, 951 01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:06,471 Boris Yeltsin should have launched an all-out nuclear attack 952 01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,807 on the United States that morning. 953 01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:10,934 We don't know what happened in the Kremlin. 954 01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:13,520 All we know is that he didn't. 955 01:02:19,235 --> 01:02:21,737 Cirincione: There have been a number of false alarms 956 01:02:21,904 --> 01:02:23,739 during the Cold War. 957 01:02:23,906 --> 01:02:26,908 We've had occasions when the rising moon 958 01:02:27,076 --> 01:02:31,246 was interpreted to be a Russian l.C.B.M. attack. 959 01:02:32,915 --> 01:02:36,376 A flock of geese was thought to be bombers. 960 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,965 A training tape was slipped into a computer 961 01:02:42,133 --> 01:02:45,427 at our command and control headquarters at NORAD. 962 01:02:45,595 --> 01:02:47,220 Everyone involved thought 963 01:02:47,388 --> 01:02:49,306 there was an actual attack underway. 964 01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:52,100 Bruce Blair: A tape was inserted into 965 01:02:52,268 --> 01:02:54,770 the early warning hub in Colorado 966 01:02:54,937 --> 01:02:57,939 that simulated a large-scale Soviet nuclear attack. 967 01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:00,192 And no one realized 968 01:03:00,359 --> 01:03:02,444 that it was just a training tape 969 01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:05,322 until the United States had gone into 970 01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:08,617 this sort of frenzied checklist procedure 971 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:11,661 to prepare for nuclear war. 972 01:03:18,127 --> 01:03:19,961 Airborne command posts actually 973 01:03:20,129 --> 01:03:22,172 in some cases took off. 974 01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:24,591 The president's doomsday plane 975 01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:28,929 actually left its base in preparation 976 01:03:29,096 --> 01:03:32,808 for an incoming Soviet strike. 977 01:03:32,975 --> 01:03:34,684 Senator Charles Percy 978 01:03:34,852 --> 01:03:37,103 happened to be there at the time 979 01:03:37,271 --> 01:03:39,564 and said there was absolute panic. 980 01:03:39,732 --> 01:03:41,775 ( alarm blaring ) 981 01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:48,240 Bruce Blair: Another false alarm was caused 982 01:03:48,407 --> 01:03:50,325 by a computer chip malfunction 983 01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:52,327 that generated indications 984 01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:55,080 of a large-scale Soviet attack. 985 01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:58,291 We raised the alert levels. 986 01:03:59,585 --> 01:04:02,754 Crews took launch codes out of their safes. 987 01:04:02,922 --> 01:04:05,966 They inserted keys into the launch switches. 988 01:04:09,262 --> 01:04:11,096 Cirincione: Zbigniew Brzezinski 989 01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:13,265 was woken up in the middle of the night 990 01:04:13,432 --> 01:04:15,559 with the assured instruction 991 01:04:15,726 --> 01:04:17,561 that a nuclear attack was underway 992 01:04:17,728 --> 01:04:19,938 and he had to go wake up President Carter. 993 01:04:21,816 --> 01:04:23,775 There was eight minutes' worth 994 01:04:23,943 --> 01:04:26,486 of nuclear launch preparations 995 01:04:26,654 --> 01:04:28,697 that were triggered 996 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:31,032 by a malfunctioning computer chip 997 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,743 that cost less than a dollar. 998 01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:39,040 Frank Von Hippel: You know, having missiles on hair trigger 999 01:04:39,208 --> 01:04:41,376 is an accident waiting to happen. 1000 01:04:41,544 --> 01:04:45,964 You know, as Fermi said about physics, 1001 01:04:46,132 --> 01:04:49,509 "What isn't forbidden is compulsory," 1002 01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:52,637 will eventually happen. 1003 01:04:52,805 --> 01:04:55,557 There's nothing that makes 1004 01:04:55,725 --> 01:04:58,101 the launch of nuclear weapons impossible. 1005 01:04:58,269 --> 01:05:00,812 lf the probability isn't zero, 1006 01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:03,148 it will happen. 1007 01:05:11,449 --> 01:05:13,950 ( siren blaring ) 1008 01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:51,237 ♪ Reckoner... ♪ 1009 01:05:56,285 --> 01:05:58,244 R. Scott Kemp: Right now the world has a policy 1010 01:05:58,412 --> 01:06:00,330 that is based heavily on technology denial-- 1011 01:06:00,498 --> 01:06:02,999 you keep something secret and you call it a day. 1012 01:06:03,167 --> 01:06:05,794 But secrecy has a half-life. 1013 01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:08,380 Things leak out. 1014 01:06:08,547 --> 01:06:12,342 Centrifuges happen to be the technology 1015 01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:15,470 that is going to change the game. 1016 01:06:15,638 --> 01:06:18,556 They are going to democratize 1017 01:06:18,724 --> 01:06:22,602 the process of building nuclear weapons. 1018 01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:26,106 Uranium exists everywhere on earth. 1019 01:06:26,273 --> 01:06:29,025 lt's more common than tin. 1020 01:06:31,070 --> 01:06:34,489 99.3% of all uranium is uranium 238, 1021 01:06:34,657 --> 01:06:37,575 the isotope that cannot be used for nuclear weapons. 1022 01:06:37,743 --> 01:06:41,079 lt's that 0.7% that you need to separate out. 1023 01:06:43,749 --> 01:06:47,377 A centrifuge-- it's basically a tube. 1024 01:06:47,545 --> 01:06:49,671 lt spins the uranium in gas form 1025 01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:53,758 and it pushes the heavier atoms towards the wall 1026 01:06:53,926 --> 01:06:55,760 and the lighter atoms towards the center. 1027 01:06:55,928 --> 01:06:58,346 And then you can skim off the light atoms. 1028 01:07:02,226 --> 01:07:06,062 And you do this over and over and over again 1029 01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:09,024 many dozens of times 1030 01:07:09,191 --> 01:07:11,067 and eventually you purify it 1031 01:07:11,235 --> 01:07:13,278 to a level that you can use in a bomb. 1032 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:19,534 The common wisdom is that they're very complicated-- 1033 01:07:22,163 --> 01:07:24,330 technologies that take countries decades to build 1034 01:07:24,498 --> 01:07:26,583 and are the highest achievements. 1035 01:07:26,751 --> 01:07:28,710 But the fact is that centrifuges are 1036 01:07:28,878 --> 01:07:30,712 1950s technology. 1037 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,174 And this is 2010. 1038 01:07:34,341 --> 01:07:36,718 Enriching uranium is still 1039 01:07:36,886 --> 01:07:38,720 beyond the reach of the individual. 1040 01:07:38,888 --> 01:07:40,722 lt's a logistical feat, 1041 01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:42,724 requiring thousands of centrifuges 1042 01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:45,769 working for months or years. 1043 01:07:45,936 --> 01:07:47,937 But highly-enriched uranium 1044 01:07:48,105 --> 01:07:50,982 is now within the grasp of really any country. 1045 01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:52,984 And once you have the H.E.U., 1046 01:07:53,152 --> 01:07:55,653 making a crude bomb is easy. 1047 01:08:01,994 --> 01:08:05,246 ( Gorbachev speaking Russian ) 1048 01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:36,820 Ronald Reagan: We're not just discussing limits 1049 01:08:36,987 --> 01:08:39,781 on a further increase of nuclear weapons. 1050 01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:43,034 We seek instead to reduce their number. 1051 01:08:43,202 --> 01:08:47,205 We seek the total elimination one day 1052 01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:50,416 of nuclear weapons from the face of the earth. 1053 01:10:47,284 --> 01:10:50,161 Crowd: 10, nine, eight, 1054 01:10:50,329 --> 01:10:52,997 seven, six, five, 1055 01:10:53,165 --> 01:10:57,293 four, three, two, one! 1056 01:10:57,461 --> 01:11:00,880 ( crowd cheering, song playing ) 1057 01:11:01,048 --> 01:11:03,883 ♪ Somewhere ♪ 1058 01:11:04,051 --> 01:11:07,720 ♪ Over the rainbow ♪ 1059 01:11:07,888 --> 01:11:12,350 ♪ Way up high... ♪ 1060 01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:14,852 Man: Happy New Year, man! 1061 01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:17,939 ♪ Dreams that you dream... ♪ 1062 01:11:18,107 --> 01:11:21,192 Man #2: Happy New Year! Love you all! 1063 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,197 ♪ Once in a lullaby ♪ 1064 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:29,409 - ♪ Somewhere ♪ - ( counter beeping ) 1065 01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:33,579 ♪ Over the rainbow ♪ 1066 01:11:33,747 --> 01:11:36,916 ♪ Bluebirds fly... ♪ 1067 01:11:37,084 --> 01:11:39,585 Cirincione: ln the first millionth of a second, 1068 01:11:39,753 --> 01:11:42,714 the fireball is 500' across. 1069 01:11:42,881 --> 01:11:44,716 Within 10 seconds, 1070 01:11:44,883 --> 01:11:47,260 it would grow to over one mile. 1071 01:11:47,428 --> 01:11:50,346 Helfand: The temperature would rise to 20,000,000ᵒF-- 1072 01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:52,515 hotter than the surface of the sun. 1073 01:11:52,683 --> 01:11:54,517 The blast would generate winds 1074 01:11:54,685 --> 01:11:57,103 in excess of 650mph. 1075 01:11:57,271 --> 01:11:59,147 Forces of that magnitude can destroy 1076 01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:01,357 anything that people can build. 1077 01:12:01,525 --> 01:12:03,985 Cirincione: The strongest buildings would be reduced to rubble. 1078 01:12:04,153 --> 01:12:06,321 Tens of square blocks 1079 01:12:06,488 --> 01:12:09,449 would just be melted, would just be evaporated. 1080 01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:11,909 Helfand: Everything would be vaporized-- 1081 01:12:12,077 --> 01:12:14,370 the buildings, the cars, 1082 01:12:14,538 --> 01:12:17,248 the trees, the people, 1083 01:12:17,416 --> 01:12:19,792 the upper level of the earth itself. 1084 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,379 ( crowd continues cheering ) 1085 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:35,767 Cirincione: There were 76,000 buildings in Hiroshima. 1086 01:12:35,934 --> 01:12:38,227 70,000 of them were destroyed. 1087 01:12:38,395 --> 01:12:40,229 The hospitals, the fire stations, 1088 01:12:40,397 --> 01:12:43,274 the communication equipment the military installations-- 1089 01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:45,276 everything just flattened. 1090 01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:47,403 Leaning: ln the first five to six miles, 1091 01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:51,407 virtually everyone in that five-mile radius is going to die. 1092 01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:53,701 Somewhere between three and four million people 1093 01:12:53,869 --> 01:12:56,496 dead immediately in the first five miles. 1094 01:12:56,663 --> 01:12:58,498 Cirincione: lf you're lucky enough 1095 01:12:58,665 --> 01:13:00,500 to be eight or nine miles away from the blast, 1096 01:13:00,667 --> 01:13:02,335 then you would experience it 1097 01:13:02,503 --> 01:13:04,837 as blast effects-- windows being shattered. 1098 01:13:05,005 --> 01:13:06,839 Helfand: Enough to shatter every window 1099 01:13:07,007 --> 01:13:09,300 and turn it into hundreds of missiles flying outward 1100 01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:11,928 from the center of the explosion at speeds more than 100mph. 1101 01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:14,013 Cirincione: After the blast, it's the firestorm 1102 01:13:14,181 --> 01:13:16,015 that would just combust everything in sight. 1103 01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:18,017 Helfand: Everything flammable would burn. 1104 01:13:18,185 --> 01:13:20,228 Paper, cardboard, cloth, 1105 01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:22,522 heating oil, gasoline-- everything would ignite. 1106 01:13:22,689 --> 01:13:24,649 Oelrich: Whole blocks would catch fire. 1107 01:13:24,817 --> 01:13:26,984 Helfand: Hundreds of thousands of fires would coalesce 1108 01:13:27,152 --> 01:13:29,612 into a giant firestorm 1 1 miles across. 1109 01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:32,031 Oelrich: Everything catches on fire. Then there's no air to breathe. 1110 01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:35,493 Helfand: All the oxygen would be consumed and everyone would die. 1111 01:13:37,746 --> 01:13:39,705 Leaning: lt is useless to talk about-- 1112 01:13:39,873 --> 01:13:41,874 will you die because you're burned to death 1113 01:13:42,042 --> 01:13:44,794 or because you've been blown to bits by the blast? 1114 01:13:44,962 --> 01:13:46,796 Molander: Anyone looking in the direction 1115 01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:48,840 of the nuclear explosion-- they will be blinded. 1116 01:13:49,007 --> 01:13:51,384 Helfand: Lungs or eardrums ruptured by the pressure, 1117 01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:53,845 crush injuries from buildings falling onto them, 1118 01:13:54,012 --> 01:13:56,931 broken bones when they've been thrown through the air against buildings. 1119 01:13:57,099 --> 01:13:58,933 Hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions, 1120 01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:00,893 would die from the fallout. 1121 01:14:01,061 --> 01:14:04,605 Leaning: The body does have a repair rate for radiation. 1122 01:14:04,773 --> 01:14:07,733 But the doses are so heavy and coming so quickly 1123 01:14:07,901 --> 01:14:09,902 that it will overwhelm the body's repair mechanisms. 1124 01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:12,655 The 450 to 700 RAD dose kills you 1125 01:14:12,823 --> 01:14:14,866 because it wipes out your blood cells. 1126 01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:18,619 Over 3000 RADs-- you will go into seizures, immediate coma, 1127 01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:21,706 and you will die within a matter of minutes to hours. 1128 01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:23,791 Helfand: Most of the doctors are gonna be dead. 1129 01:14:23,959 --> 01:14:25,460 Most of the nurses are gonna be dead. 1130 01:14:25,627 --> 01:14:27,670 Most of the hospitals are gonna be destroyed. 1131 01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:30,131 Huge numbers of casualties and no medical equipment. 1132 01:14:30,299 --> 01:14:32,216 Leaning: There will be a need for antibiotics-- 1133 01:14:32,384 --> 01:14:34,135 tens of units of blood per person. 1134 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:36,137 Oelrich: There won't be any electrical power. 1135 01:14:36,305 --> 01:14:38,264 Leaning: Vast amounts of intravenous fluid 1136 01:14:38,432 --> 01:14:40,224 to sustain people who've been burned-- just burned. 1137 01:14:40,392 --> 01:14:42,435 Oelrich: You couldn't treat all the burn victims. 1138 01:14:42,603 --> 01:14:44,937 Leaning: And then at a certain point the casualties become so high, 1139 01:14:45,105 --> 01:14:47,982 it's pointless to try to make any sense out of it. 1140 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:50,568 The doctor in the Red Cross hospital 1141 01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:52,570 who turns into an automaton, 1142 01:14:52,738 --> 01:14:55,323 binding, swabbing, daubing, 1143 01:14:55,491 --> 01:14:57,950 binding, swabbing, daubing. 1144 01:14:58,118 --> 01:15:01,412 And that's what descended on the physicians and nurses 1145 01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:03,748 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 1146 01:15:03,916 --> 01:15:06,542 Bunn: Someone would surely claim they had 10 more 1147 01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:09,128 that were already hidden somewhere 1148 01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:11,839 and they'd start setting them off unless their demands were met. 1149 01:15:12,007 --> 01:15:14,467 Molander: Every other big city is gonna wonder 1150 01:15:14,635 --> 01:15:16,469 whether they might be a target. 1151 01:15:16,637 --> 01:15:18,888 Bunn: Public panic, people fleeing major cities. 1152 01:15:19,056 --> 01:15:21,641 You could forget about rules about search and seizure. 1153 01:15:21,808 --> 01:15:23,976 You're gonna have to be searching everywhere. 1154 01:15:24,144 --> 01:15:26,521 You can forget about civil liberties 1155 01:15:26,688 --> 01:15:29,273 when people realize a whole city was just destroyed. 1156 01:15:29,441 --> 01:15:32,193 Cirincione: You'd take the Bill of Rights, you'd put it up on a shelf, 1157 01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:34,070 and you might never see it again. 1158 01:15:34,238 --> 01:15:36,280 People would be demanding draconian measures 1159 01:15:36,448 --> 01:15:40,076 to make sure that another city didn't go up. 1160 01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:13,651 Oppenheimer: A few people laughed. 1161 01:16:13,819 --> 01:16:16,862 A few people cried. 1162 01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:19,365 Most people were silent. 1163 01:16:22,744 --> 01:16:25,413 l remembered the line 1164 01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:28,874 from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita-- 1165 01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:34,964 Vishnu 1166 01:16:35,132 --> 01:16:37,925 is trying to persuade the prince 1167 01:16:38,093 --> 01:16:41,304 that he should do his duty 1168 01:16:41,471 --> 01:16:44,015 and to impress him 1169 01:16:44,182 --> 01:16:47,476 takes on his multiarmed form 1170 01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:49,937 and says, 1171 01:16:50,105 --> 01:16:51,939 "Now l am become Death, 1172 01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:54,900 the destroyer of worlds." 1173 01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:20,676 John F. Kennedy: Every man, woman, and child 1174 01:17:20,844 --> 01:17:24,472 lives under a nuclear sword of Damocles, 1175 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,683 hanging by the slenderest of threads 1176 01:17:27,851 --> 01:17:30,478 capable of being cut at any moment 1177 01:17:30,646 --> 01:17:34,815 by accident or miscalculation or by madness. 1178 01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:38,027 The weapons of war must be abolished 1179 01:17:38,195 --> 01:17:41,197 before they abolish us. 1180 01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:51,457 ( sirens wailing ) 1181 01:17:55,295 --> 01:17:58,047 Robert McNamara: The Cuban Missile Crisis endangered 1182 01:17:58,215 --> 01:18:00,966 the very existence of our nation. 1183 01:18:01,134 --> 01:18:04,637 We came that close to nuclear war. 1184 01:18:07,891 --> 01:18:11,018 Neither the Soviets nor we, the U.S., 1185 01:18:11,186 --> 01:18:14,772 intended to put our nations at that risk. 1186 01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:19,276 And the next time we may not be so lucky. 1187 01:18:19,444 --> 01:18:23,614 They kill by the millions. They kill in numbers 1188 01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:25,616 that the human imagination 1189 01:18:25,784 --> 01:18:28,411 simply cannot comprehend. 1190 01:18:28,578 --> 01:18:31,080 Rev. Richard Cizik: l used to think, "Well, we possess nuclear weapons 1191 01:18:31,248 --> 01:18:33,165 in order to prevent their use." 1192 01:18:33,333 --> 01:18:35,167 We now know we live in a world in which 1193 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:37,545 if we possess them, 1194 01:18:37,713 --> 01:18:40,506 if anyone possesses them, they will be used. 1195 01:18:40,674 --> 01:18:44,510 l don't see any good that a nuclear weapon could do or bring to the world. 1196 01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:46,554 ln my opinion, you can forget them. 1197 01:18:46,722 --> 01:18:49,056 l think they should be destroyed. 1198 01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:50,975 l think we'd be better off without 'em. 1199 01:18:51,143 --> 01:18:52,977 There's 183 countries in the world 1200 01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:54,979 that do not have nuclear weapons. 1201 01:18:55,147 --> 01:18:57,815 Many of these countries could have nuclear weapons. 1202 01:18:57,983 --> 01:18:59,984 They've chosen not to. 1203 01:19:01,361 --> 01:19:03,195 F.W. de Klerk: We have decided 1204 01:19:03,363 --> 01:19:05,990 to take a 180ᵒ turn in South Africa. 1205 01:19:06,158 --> 01:19:09,118 When l became president, l was then informed 1206 01:19:09,286 --> 01:19:11,954 that we had completed six devices 1207 01:19:12,122 --> 01:19:14,999 more or less comparable to the bombs 1208 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:17,710 which were actually used at Hiroshima. 1209 01:19:17,878 --> 01:19:20,045 l indicated 1210 01:19:20,213 --> 01:19:22,923 that l would like us to stop this program 1211 01:19:23,091 --> 01:19:26,218 and to become part of the mainstream in the world again. 1212 01:19:26,386 --> 01:19:28,471 Wilson: The only way to eliminate 1213 01:19:28,638 --> 01:19:30,681 the threat of nuclear terrorism 1214 01:19:30,849 --> 01:19:33,309 is to eliminate all nuclear weapons in all countries. 1215 01:19:33,477 --> 01:19:36,312 We've got to ensure that never once 1216 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,314 do terrorists succeed 1217 01:19:38,482 --> 01:19:40,775 in detonating a nuclear weapon. 1218 01:19:40,942 --> 01:19:43,694 Thomas D'Agostino: When you think about nuclear security, 1219 01:19:43,862 --> 01:19:45,780 it's all about the material. 1220 01:19:45,947 --> 01:19:47,782 The simple physical fact is 1221 01:19:47,949 --> 01:19:50,409 that if you don't have fissile material-- 1222 01:19:50,577 --> 01:19:53,287 either highly-enriched uranium or plutonium, for example-- 1223 01:19:53,455 --> 01:19:55,664 then you cannot have a nuclear weapon. 1224 01:19:55,832 --> 01:19:59,502 The focus is all about the material. 1225 01:19:59,669 --> 01:20:01,629 Stop making new material. 1226 01:20:01,797 --> 01:20:04,965 Secure the material where you know it is around the world. 1227 01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:08,177 And make sure that you detect illicit transfer of the material. 1228 01:20:08,345 --> 01:20:11,263 And then start getting rid of the material you have. 1229 01:20:11,431 --> 01:20:15,476 Glaser: Today in the world we have about 1700 tons of H.E.U. 1230 01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:17,895 So that's enough material for, you know, 1231 01:20:18,063 --> 01:20:20,648 on the order of 50,000 to 100,000 weapons 1232 01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:22,650 and to really create 1233 01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:25,319 a truly international system for these facilities. 1234 01:20:25,487 --> 01:20:27,321 Sagan: lnternational fuel banks 1235 01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:29,448 or international reprocessing centers-- 1236 01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,408 that'd be a much safer world. 1237 01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:34,328 We haven't lost an ounce of gold from Fort Knox. 1238 01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:36,455 We shouldn't lose an ounce of plutonium 1239 01:20:36,623 --> 01:20:38,958 or highly-enriched uranium. 1240 01:20:39,125 --> 01:20:41,752 Bruce Blair: During the Cold War l believed 1241 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,339 in the value of nuclear weapons to deter an attack. 1242 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:48,008 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall 1243 01:20:48,176 --> 01:20:50,010 there's no excuse any longer 1244 01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:52,930 for keeping nuclear weapons on launch-ready alert. 1245 01:20:53,098 --> 01:20:55,224 We can remove 1246 01:20:55,392 --> 01:20:57,601 all of the warheads on our missiles, 1247 01:20:57,769 --> 01:21:00,354 share our safeguards technology 1248 01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:03,148 and establish a joint warning center 1249 01:21:03,316 --> 01:21:07,361 to ensure nuclear war cannot happen by mistake. 1250 01:21:07,529 --> 01:21:11,532 Richard Burt: When l came into government in the early 1980s, 1251 01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:14,285 the idea that within about 10 years 1252 01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:16,120 both sides would have agreed 1253 01:21:16,288 --> 01:21:19,081 to a 50% reduction in their nuclear weapons 1254 01:21:19,249 --> 01:21:22,501 would have sounded absurd. But we achieved it. 1255 01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:24,503 That means a reduction 1256 01:21:24,671 --> 01:21:28,883 of more than 5,000 nuclear warheads apiece. 1257 01:21:29,050 --> 01:21:32,219 We have gone almost 20 years now 1258 01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:36,348 without any really demonstrative steps 1259 01:21:36,516 --> 01:21:38,225 to nuclear reductions. 1260 01:21:38,393 --> 01:21:41,729 Cirincione: This has to be a step-by-step process. 1261 01:21:43,648 --> 01:21:45,941 That's how we did it with chemical weapons. 1262 01:21:46,109 --> 01:21:48,319 These weapons are now taboo. 1263 01:21:50,447 --> 01:21:53,449 James Baker lll: The Soviet Union imploded when l was secretary of state. 1264 01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:56,577 And we actually got an enforceable treaty 1265 01:21:56,745 --> 01:21:59,663 where we got Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine 1266 01:21:59,831 --> 01:22:01,999 to give up their nuclear weapons. 1267 01:22:02,167 --> 01:22:04,460 All countries in the world have to sign 1268 01:22:04,628 --> 01:22:06,921 a legally binding, 1269 01:22:07,088 --> 01:22:09,089 intrusively verifiable agreement 1270 01:22:09,257 --> 01:22:11,091 to rid the world of nuclear weapons. 1271 01:22:11,259 --> 01:22:13,928 Burt: The choice we face is 1272 01:22:14,095 --> 01:22:15,763 eliminating nuclear weapons 1273 01:22:15,931 --> 01:22:19,391 or living in a world with 25 or 30 nuclear powers. 1274 01:22:19,559 --> 01:22:21,644 We can do this. 1275 01:22:21,811 --> 01:22:23,562 There has to be 1276 01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:26,231 a carefully orchestrated process of reductions. 1277 01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:28,233 The United States and Russia, 1278 01:22:28,401 --> 01:22:30,235 with 96% of the world's nuclear weapons, 1279 01:22:30,403 --> 01:22:32,237 have to lead the way. 1280 01:22:32,405 --> 01:22:34,281 Cirincione: We're starting in a world 1281 01:22:34,449 --> 01:22:36,825 where there are 23,000 nuclear weapons. 1282 01:22:36,993 --> 01:22:38,827 The very first step is 1283 01:22:38,995 --> 01:22:40,955 to cut those arsenals dramatically 1284 01:22:41,122 --> 01:22:42,998 in the United States and Russia. 1285 01:22:43,166 --> 01:22:46,710 Once you get down to the low hundreds in the world, 1286 01:22:46,878 --> 01:22:49,713 then you will have built up the confidence and the mechanisms 1287 01:22:49,881 --> 01:22:52,883 to ensure that you can verify this process 1288 01:22:53,051 --> 01:22:54,802 so that we can get rid of the last one. 1289 01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:57,262 - None. - Should be zero. 1290 01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:59,890 l say zero. ( laughs ) 1291 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:06,355 - Never have it. - We'd rather not have them, l think. 1292 01:23:11,444 --> 01:23:12,444 - None. - None. 1293 01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:14,488 - Zero. - Zero. 1294 01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:16,824 No nuclear weapons. Zero. 1295 01:23:16,992 --> 01:23:18,826 - Zero. - Zero. 1296 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:20,285 No country should have them. 1297 01:23:20,453 --> 01:23:22,204 The optimum number is none. 1298 01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:23,706 ldeal will be zero. 1299 01:23:23,873 --> 01:23:25,541 Zero nuclear weapons. 1300 01:23:25,709 --> 01:23:27,710 Nol. Nol. 1301 01:23:43,685 --> 01:23:45,394 We've taken important steps foward 1302 01:23:45,562 --> 01:23:47,146 to increase nuclear security 1303 01:23:47,313 --> 01:23:49,565 and to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. 1304 01:23:49,733 --> 01:23:51,567 This starts with the reduction 1305 01:23:51,735 --> 01:23:53,694 of our own nuclear arsenals. 1306 01:23:53,862 --> 01:23:56,196 This legally binding treaty 1307 01:23:56,364 --> 01:23:58,490 will be completed this year. 1308 01:23:58,658 --> 01:24:02,369 Burt: The arms control agreements we negotiated 1309 01:24:02,537 --> 01:24:04,913 between the United States and the Soviet Union-- 1310 01:24:05,081 --> 01:24:07,499 you'd think these were independent initiatives 1311 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,668 taken by governments. 1312 01:24:09,836 --> 01:24:12,254 But the fact is, public opinion 1313 01:24:12,422 --> 01:24:14,381 had a big role to play in the process. 1314 01:24:15,925 --> 01:24:17,634 Cirincione: President Kennedy, 1315 01:24:17,802 --> 01:24:19,678 after he passed the Limited Test Ban Treaty, 1316 01:24:19,846 --> 01:24:22,139 and whenever he mentioned it on the stump afterwards, 1317 01:24:22,307 --> 01:24:24,641 he got thunderous applause. 1318 01:24:24,809 --> 01:24:27,269 And he quipped, "lf l had known it was so popular, 1319 01:24:27,437 --> 01:24:29,605 l would have done it a long time ago." 1320 01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:32,107 McNamara: Elimination of nuclear weapons 1321 01:24:32,275 --> 01:24:34,568 has not yet been agreed to 1322 01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,862 by the political leaders of the world. 1323 01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:40,532 lt's a revolutionary idea, but they can be eliminated. 1324 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:47,956 Cizik: We have to change our way of thinking. 1325 01:24:48,124 --> 01:24:50,709 And if we can't change our way of thinking, 1326 01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:54,755 we won't survive. lt's that simple. 1327 01:24:54,923 --> 01:24:57,174 l've changed my thinking, 1328 01:24:57,342 --> 01:24:59,676 and millions and millions of other people are changing their thinking. 1329 01:24:59,844 --> 01:25:02,805 And frankly, if you've never changed your mind about something, 1330 01:25:02,972 --> 01:25:06,266 l say, you know, pinch yourself. You may be dead. 1331 01:25:06,434 --> 01:25:08,685 ( rock music playing ) 1332 01:25:11,606 --> 01:25:13,065 ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 1333 01:25:21,699 --> 01:25:24,034 ♪ When something's dark ♪ 1334 01:25:24,202 --> 01:25:26,703 ♪ Let me shed a little light on it ♪ 1335 01:25:26,871 --> 01:25:28,831 ♪ When something's cold ♪ 1336 01:25:28,998 --> 01:25:31,291 ♪ Let me put a little fire on it ♪ 1337 01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:33,418 ♪ lf something's old ♪ 1338 01:25:33,586 --> 01:25:35,796 ♪ l wanna put a bit of shine on it ♪ 1339 01:25:35,964 --> 01:25:38,173 ♪ When something's gone ♪ 1340 01:25:38,341 --> 01:25:41,802 ♪ l wanna fight to get it back again ♪ 1341 01:25:41,970 --> 01:25:45,055 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1342 01:25:45,223 --> 01:25:48,058 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1343 01:25:48,226 --> 01:25:52,229 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1344 01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,566 ♪ When something's broke ♪ 1345 01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:58,277 ♪ l wanna put a bit of fixin' on it ♪ 1346 01:25:58,444 --> 01:26:00,404 ♪ When something's bored ♪ 1347 01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:03,031 ♪ l wanna put a little exciting on it ♪ 1348 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,033 ♪ lf something's low ♪ 1349 01:26:05,201 --> 01:26:07,786 ♪ l wanna put a little high on it ♪ 1350 01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:09,872 ♪ When something's lost ♪ 1351 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:13,333 ♪ l wanna fight to get it back again ♪ 1352 01:26:13,501 --> 01:26:16,086 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1353 01:26:16,254 --> 01:26:19,673 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1354 01:26:19,841 --> 01:26:24,678 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1355 01:26:24,846 --> 01:26:27,181 ♪ When signals cross ♪ 1356 01:26:27,348 --> 01:26:29,766 ♪ l wanna put a little straight on it ♪ 1357 01:26:29,934 --> 01:26:31,810 ♪ lf there's no love ♪ 1358 01:26:31,978 --> 01:26:34,313 ♪ l wanna try to love again ♪ 1359 01:26:36,316 --> 01:26:39,651 ♪ l'll say your prayers ♪ 1360 01:26:39,819 --> 01:26:42,654 ♪ l'll take your side ♪ 1361 01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:45,866 ♪ l'll find us a way ♪ 1362 01:26:46,034 --> 01:26:48,911 ♪ To make light ♪ 1363 01:26:49,078 --> 01:26:52,122 ♪ l'll dig your grave ♪ 1364 01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:55,167 ♪ We'll dance and sing ♪ 1365 01:26:55,335 --> 01:26:57,502 ♪ What's saved could be ♪ 1366 01:26:57,670 --> 01:27:01,173 ♪ One last lifetime ♪ 1367 01:27:05,762 --> 01:27:08,055 ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 1368 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,683 ♪ Ah-ah ah-ah ♪ 1369 01:27:11,851 --> 01:27:14,937 ♪ Ah-ah ah-ah, ah-ah ah-ah ♪ 1370 01:27:16,522 --> 01:27:18,440 ♪ When something's dark ♪ 1371 01:27:18,608 --> 01:27:21,109 ♪ Let me shed a little light on it ♪ 1372 01:27:21,277 --> 01:27:23,237 ♪ When something's cold ♪ 1373 01:27:23,404 --> 01:27:25,697 ♪ Let me put a little fire on it ♪ 1374 01:27:25,865 --> 01:27:27,824 ♪ lf something's old ♪ 1375 01:27:27,992 --> 01:27:30,202 ♪ l wanna put a bit of shine on it ♪ 1376 01:27:30,370 --> 01:27:32,579 ♪ When something's gone ♪ 1377 01:27:32,747 --> 01:27:36,208 ♪ l wanna fight to get it back again ♪ 1378 01:27:36,376 --> 01:27:39,461 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1379 01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:42,464 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1380 01:27:42,632 --> 01:27:46,468 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1381 01:27:47,929 --> 01:27:49,846 ♪ When something's broke ♪ 1382 01:27:50,014 --> 01:27:52,557 ♪ l wanna put a bit of fixin' on it ♪ 1383 01:27:52,725 --> 01:27:54,685 ♪ When something's bored ♪ 1384 01:27:54,852 --> 01:27:57,312 ♪ l wanna put a little exciting on it ♪ 1385 01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:59,314 ♪ lf something's low ♪ 1386 01:27:59,482 --> 01:28:02,067 ♪ l wanna put a little high on it ♪ 1387 01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:04,152 ♪ When something's lost ♪ 1388 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,614 ♪ l wanna fight to get it back again ♪ 1389 01:28:07,782 --> 01:28:10,367 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1390 01:28:10,535 --> 01:28:13,954 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1391 01:28:14,122 --> 01:28:16,873 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1392 01:28:17,041 --> 01:28:20,627 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1393 01:28:20,795 --> 01:28:23,422 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1394 01:28:23,589 --> 01:28:27,175 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1395 01:28:27,343 --> 01:28:29,761 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1396 01:28:29,929 --> 01:28:32,973 ♪ Fight to get it back again ♪ 1397 01:28:33,141 --> 01:28:37,769 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ 1398 01:28:39,647 --> 01:28:44,318 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. ♪ 102937

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