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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,583 --> 00:00:19,833 [narrator] What is the power of makeup? 2 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,458 For me... it's everything. 3 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:24,708 [uplifting music] 4 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:26,291 [Vincent] It's magic. 5 00:00:26,333 --> 00:00:29,583 It's to fool your audience into believing 6 00:00:29,625 --> 00:00:32,125 that what they're seeing is 100% reality. 7 00:00:33,291 --> 00:00:36,208 [Alec] The power of makeup is the power of transformation. 8 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:39,375 If you're the wearer of the makeup, it sort of gives you permission 9 00:00:39,416 --> 00:00:40,791 to be a different character. 10 00:00:42,250 --> 00:00:46,791 [Greg] Makeup effects and makeup allows actors 11 00:00:46,833 --> 00:00:50,916 to tap into different parts of their personality. 12 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:55,625 [Ve] Whether it's a zombie, or a princess, 13 00:00:55,666 --> 00:00:57,625 or a Frankenstein monster, 14 00:00:57,666 --> 00:01:00,875 it's what enables an actor to actually emote. 15 00:01:00,916 --> 00:01:02,500 [dramatic music] 16 00:01:02,541 --> 00:01:04,541 [John] Want to hear something scary? 17 00:01:04,583 --> 00:01:09,291 Makeup and hair are the most dangerous people on a set 18 00:01:09,333 --> 00:01:13,041 because they get the actors first thing in the morning 19 00:01:13,083 --> 00:01:15,333 and they're right in their face. 20 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:19,458 I've seen hairdressers and makeup people just fuck movies. 21 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,458 So you always want to be on their good side. 22 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:26,041 [Leonard] Good makeup helps create a good character. 23 00:01:26,083 --> 00:01:28,833 Characters are what make a movie interesting. 24 00:01:29,708 --> 00:01:32,750 If the makeup is ineffectual, 25 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:34,541 it's going to destroy the whole movie. 26 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:39,458 [Michael] It has the power to heal, it has the power to inspire, 27 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:42,875 and it also inspires and creates imagination 28 00:01:42,916 --> 00:01:44,833 to be able to tell stories. 29 00:01:44,875 --> 00:01:46,500 [narrator] Makeup has given artists 30 00:01:46,541 --> 00:01:49,333 and filmmakers incredible freedom. 31 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:53,541 But all that innovation and invention can be traced back to a moment in time 32 00:01:53,583 --> 00:01:58,166 when one film proved nothing was impossible. 33 00:01:58,208 --> 00:02:01,000 [dramatic music] 34 00:02:16,708 --> 00:02:18,416 [narrator] Makeup in film has existed 35 00:02:18,458 --> 00:02:20,458 since the turn of the 20th century. 36 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:25,375 Early artists were actors who experimented on themselves. 37 00:02:25,416 --> 00:02:27,541 The successful ones were then asked 38 00:02:27,583 --> 00:02:29,750 to work on other actors. 39 00:02:29,791 --> 00:02:32,916 One of the first breakout artists was Cecil Holland. 40 00:02:34,125 --> 00:02:36,208 An early attempt at creating a simian makeup 41 00:02:36,250 --> 00:02:39,083 was Holland's work on The Lost World. 42 00:02:40,166 --> 00:02:44,041 To me, Cecil Holland was the genesis of it all, the beginning of, 43 00:02:44,083 --> 00:02:46,291 maybe even the first makeup effects person. 44 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,875 [narrator] Meanwhile, at Universal Studios, 45 00:02:49,916 --> 00:02:52,583 the horror genre began to thrive, 46 00:02:52,625 --> 00:02:54,666 and with it rose the fame of actor 47 00:02:54,708 --> 00:02:57,875 and self-taught makeup artist, Lon Chaney Sr. 48 00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:01,208 [Guillermo] To me, it all begins with him. 49 00:03:01,250 --> 00:03:04,500 There is a bridge between theatrical makeup 50 00:03:04,541 --> 00:03:06,125 and movie makeup. 51 00:03:06,166 --> 00:03:07,041 He starts it. 52 00:03:08,666 --> 00:03:11,791 He did makeups that no one else had ever attempted 53 00:03:11,833 --> 00:03:14,833 and some of them became, you know, legendary. 54 00:03:14,875 --> 00:03:17,125 [Vincent] Watching the original Hunchback with Lon Chaney, 55 00:03:17,166 --> 00:03:19,541 that was one of those moments where I thought that's, 56 00:03:19,583 --> 00:03:22,958 that is something that I would love to try and emulate. 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,041 [Bill] My favorite Lon Chaney makeup 58 00:03:25,083 --> 00:03:26,833 was The Phantom of the Opera. 59 00:03:26,875 --> 00:03:29,500 I thought that was just the most amazing 60 00:03:29,541 --> 00:03:31,375 transformation I've ever seen. 61 00:03:31,416 --> 00:03:33,583 [narrator] Known as the man of 1,000 faces, 62 00:03:33,625 --> 00:03:37,500 Chaney propelled the horror genre to new heights. 63 00:03:37,541 --> 00:03:41,166 But his untimely death in 1930 created a void 64 00:03:41,208 --> 00:03:43,500 in the makeup world that was quickly filled 65 00:03:43,541 --> 00:03:47,041 by another actor turned makeup artist, Jack Pierce. 66 00:03:47,916 --> 00:03:52,083 If he had done nothing but create Frankenstein's monster, 67 00:03:52,125 --> 00:03:57,166 Jack Pierce would have a place in, uh, you know, the movie pantheon 68 00:03:58,041 --> 00:04:00,750 of heroes and legends. 69 00:04:00,791 --> 00:04:05,583 That makeup is so indelible, it's so recognizable, 70 00:04:05,625 --> 00:04:07,333 it's been so much imitated. 71 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:10,583 There have been so many inferior knockoffs of it, 72 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:13,291 but he did it. 73 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:17,000 As he did The Wolf Man, another extraordinary piece 74 00:04:17,041 --> 00:04:21,541 of makeup that didn't have today's technology behind it, 75 00:04:21,583 --> 00:04:24,416 just a lot of hard work and a lot of imagination. 76 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:29,416 [Guillermo] Whether he's enhancing the mouth of Conrad Veidt 77 00:04:29,458 --> 00:04:32,083 in The Man Who Laughs, or doing The Monkey Talks, 78 00:04:32,125 --> 00:04:35,708 which is a beautiful precedent to Planet of the Apes, 79 00:04:35,750 --> 00:04:39,208 in a way, the key comes from studying the face of the actor. 80 00:04:40,875 --> 00:04:42,500 And saying, "Okay, What do I need to build, 81 00:04:42,541 --> 00:04:44,000 what do I need to take down?" 82 00:04:46,125 --> 00:04:50,250 I remember seeing the episode of This Is Your Life with Boris Karloff, 83 00:04:50,291 --> 00:04:53,166 and Jack Pierce had come out, and he's there with the bolt and all. 84 00:04:53,208 --> 00:04:55,166 It was the first time I heard Jack Pierce's voice, 85 00:04:55,208 --> 00:04:57,750 and it was similar to what I thought his voice would be, 86 00:04:57,791 --> 00:04:59,875 you know, kind of like this scrappy guy. 87 00:04:59,916 --> 00:05:01,166 It's wonderful to see you. 88 00:05:01,208 --> 00:05:03,500 The best makeup man in the world. 89 00:05:03,541 --> 00:05:05,416 -Thank you. -I owe him a lot. 90 00:05:05,458 --> 00:05:07,666 First person that I idolized was Jack Pierce, 91 00:05:07,708 --> 00:05:09,500 'cause he's the Frankenstein's monster, 92 00:05:09,541 --> 00:05:13,166 The Wolf Man, The Mummy. Classic universal horror films. 93 00:05:13,208 --> 00:05:16,291 And those were the films that really inspired me to want to do this. 94 00:05:18,125 --> 00:05:19,208 [narrator] As time progressed, 95 00:05:19,250 --> 00:05:21,333 makeup became more sophisticated 96 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:25,166 but the quality of films began to deteriorate. 97 00:05:25,208 --> 00:05:29,416 In the years following World War II, science fiction became a popular genre 98 00:05:29,458 --> 00:05:31,000 and there were some notable films 99 00:05:31,041 --> 00:05:33,625 like The Day the Earth Stood Still 100 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:35,625 and The Thing from Another World. 101 00:05:37,083 --> 00:05:40,375 Very few serious filmmakers had really approached 102 00:05:40,416 --> 00:05:42,791 science fiction, and there were a couple of attempts in the 50s 103 00:05:42,833 --> 00:05:45,375 to make some expensive science fiction pictures 104 00:05:45,416 --> 00:05:47,916 that didn't really make enough money. 105 00:05:47,958 --> 00:05:51,833 After a little while, those films got cheaper, 106 00:05:51,875 --> 00:05:55,958 and tackier, and really became B-movies and kiddie fodder. 107 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,375 [announcer] Nobody will believe theInvasion of the Saucer Men. 108 00:05:59,416 --> 00:06:01,083 [dramatic music] 109 00:06:05,583 --> 00:06:08,083 [light bell music] 110 00:06:08,125 --> 00:06:10,125 [narrator] In the early 1960s, 111 00:06:10,166 --> 00:06:13,625 20th Century Fox producer, Arthur P. Jacobs, was searching 112 00:06:13,666 --> 00:06:17,125 for a project that would astound audiences around the globe. 113 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:21,708 Planรจte des singes, orMonkey Planet, 114 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:25,750 was originally published in France in January 1963. 115 00:06:25,791 --> 00:06:29,291 Natalie Trundy who was then Arthur P. Jacobs' girlfriend, 116 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:32,791 had read the book and suggested it to Arthur. 117 00:06:33,833 --> 00:06:35,625 [narrator] By June of 1964, 118 00:06:35,666 --> 00:06:37,750 the book had been translated into English 119 00:06:37,791 --> 00:06:39,500 and published in America. 120 00:06:39,541 --> 00:06:41,375 [Scott] What a book, right? This whole thing where 121 00:06:41,416 --> 00:06:43,375 apes have taken over society 122 00:06:43,416 --> 00:06:47,250 and humans have devolved into being sort of a lower form 123 00:06:47,291 --> 00:06:49,583 of life than the apes, was sort of ahead of its time. 124 00:06:51,625 --> 00:06:54,375 [narrator] Richard Zanuck, the head of 20th Century Fox, 125 00:06:54,416 --> 00:06:58,166 helps Arthur Jacobs obtain the option for Boulle's novel. 126 00:06:58,208 --> 00:07:01,375 Jacobs hires Rod Serling ofTwilight Zone fame 127 00:07:01,416 --> 00:07:04,791 to write a treatment titledPlanet of the Apes, 128 00:07:04,833 --> 00:07:07,625 in hopes of turning it into a full motion picture screenplay. 129 00:07:09,125 --> 00:07:11,500 [man] I was a man, a man from Earth, 130 00:07:11,541 --> 00:07:13,791 [voiceover] a reasoning creature who made it a habit 131 00:07:13,833 --> 00:07:16,250 to discover a logical explanation 132 00:07:16,291 --> 00:07:20,333 and not a beast hunted down by highly developed apes. 133 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:23,083 [Richard] Rod Serling, he was a genius. 134 00:07:25,750 --> 00:07:27,458 They didn't give you the script. 135 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:28,916 You sat down in a meeting... 136 00:07:30,291 --> 00:07:33,333 and they'd start to tell you a little about... 137 00:07:33,375 --> 00:07:34,625 So by the time they were done, 138 00:07:34,666 --> 00:07:36,250 they really had you hooked. 139 00:07:36,291 --> 00:07:37,916 [dramatic music] 140 00:07:38,791 --> 00:07:40,958 Planet of the Apesis just 141 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,833 the biggest sheet cake version 142 00:07:43,875 --> 00:07:46,375 of a Twilight Zone episode you can find. 143 00:07:48,333 --> 00:07:50,958 [narrator] Serling was busy rewriting the screenplay. 144 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,041 He later claimed to have written over 40 drafts. 145 00:07:55,125 --> 00:07:56,708 [voiceover] Somewhere in the universe, 146 00:07:56,750 --> 00:07:59,333 there has to be something better than man. 147 00:07:59,375 --> 00:08:03,041 Rod Serling highlighted a lot of the, uh, contradictions 148 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:07,500 of our society, in many cases, uh, the nihilism of our society. 149 00:08:07,541 --> 00:08:10,666 And the original script was actually very different 150 00:08:10,708 --> 00:08:13,208 from the final version of the script, 151 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:15,666 which was then worked on by Michael Wilson. 152 00:08:15,708 --> 00:08:18,583 [narrator] Zanuck and the Fox board calculate a budget 153 00:08:18,625 --> 00:08:21,875 of $2 million, a risky bet 154 00:08:21,916 --> 00:08:24,875 given Fox's financial situation at the time. 155 00:08:24,916 --> 00:08:27,875 The problem, I think, intrinsically was 156 00:08:27,916 --> 00:08:32,958 that it was such new groundbreaking motion picture-wise, 157 00:08:33,833 --> 00:08:36,125 the studio was very, very uneasy with it. 158 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:39,958 And the only one that really had faith in the whole thing 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,041 was Richard Zanuck. 160 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:45,416 20th Century Fox was not in good shape financially. 161 00:08:45,458 --> 00:08:51,625 It's been blamed on Cleopatra and apparently unfairly blamed on Cleopatrain many cases. 162 00:08:51,666 --> 00:08:53,458 They used it as an overall excuse 163 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:57,041 for some bad decision making. 164 00:08:57,083 --> 00:08:58,875 [narrator] The screenplay eventually wound up 165 00:08:58,916 --> 00:09:01,500 in the hands of one of Hollywood's biggest stars, 166 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,333 Charlton Heston. 167 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:05,833 I think that this film would not have happened 168 00:09:05,875 --> 00:09:09,291 had, uh, Charlton not wanted to do it. 169 00:09:09,333 --> 00:09:12,375 [Leonard] He was just the right actor for that part. 170 00:09:12,416 --> 00:09:15,833 His physicality was ideal 171 00:09:15,875 --> 00:09:21,833 and he had the gravitas to match the physicality. 172 00:09:21,875 --> 00:09:23,708 [Lou] It was his project. 173 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:28,125 He helped greenlight it, so it was very close to him. 174 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:29,708 [narrator] Charlton Heston recommended 175 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:31,875 director, Franklin J. Schaffner, 176 00:09:31,916 --> 00:09:35,083 who he was currently working with onThe Warlord. 177 00:09:35,125 --> 00:09:36,625 With a trimmed budget, 178 00:09:36,666 --> 00:09:39,125 commitments from Heston and Schaffner, 179 00:09:39,166 --> 00:09:41,125 and Edward G. Robinson coming on board 180 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:43,750 to portray the orangutan, Dr. Zaius, 181 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:47,583 Jacobs convinced Fox to greenlight a 10 minute screen test 182 00:09:47,625 --> 00:09:49,916 in March 1966. 183 00:09:49,958 --> 00:09:52,666 [Tom] Ben Nye was the department head of makeup 184 00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:57,333 at 20th Century Fox, and he was getting ready to retire 185 00:09:57,375 --> 00:10:00,250 but he agreed to do a screen test. 186 00:10:00,291 --> 00:10:02,666 Good evening, Mr. Thomas. 187 00:10:02,708 --> 00:10:04,958 Everything fine, I hope. 188 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,583 Considering I've been kept in a cage for six weeks, I'm fine, yes. 189 00:10:08,625 --> 00:10:11,958 [Joe] Prior to this, when you saw a gorilla in a movie, 190 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,583 it was either played by a guy in a gorilla suit or it was played by a monkey. 191 00:10:15,625 --> 00:10:18,125 But the approach here was a little different because the idea was 192 00:10:18,166 --> 00:10:21,083 that these ape characters were being played by recognizable actors, 193 00:10:21,125 --> 00:10:24,833 and so there needed to be a way to allow them to emote. 194 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:31,291 When you see, uh, original ones and, uh, do the makeup test, 195 00:10:31,333 --> 00:10:32,791 it's not there. 196 00:10:32,833 --> 00:10:34,958 [Alessandro] Even though that's nowhere close 197 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,083 to what the makeup actually wound up being, 198 00:10:37,125 --> 00:10:38,750 the scene was effective. 199 00:10:38,791 --> 00:10:41,416 No one was laughing, everyone took it seriously, 200 00:10:41,458 --> 00:10:45,750 and the project was, uh, I think, much more tangible 201 00:10:45,791 --> 00:10:48,250 as something that could resonate dramatically 202 00:10:48,291 --> 00:10:49,541 with an audience. 203 00:10:49,583 --> 00:10:51,500 [Tom] But Ben Nye decided to retire 204 00:10:51,541 --> 00:10:54,750 rather than take on this huge project. 205 00:10:54,791 --> 00:10:57,041 [narrator] Though the screen test proved it was possible 206 00:10:57,083 --> 00:10:59,958 to portray talking simians in a serious manner, 207 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,208 it would take nothing short of brilliance 208 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:05,041 to getPlanet of the Apes out of pre-production. 209 00:11:08,083 --> 00:11:09,416 [camera clicks] 210 00:11:11,166 --> 00:11:14,208 [narrator] John Chambers was born on September 12th, 1922, 211 00:11:14,250 --> 00:11:15,875 in the South Side of Chicago. 212 00:11:17,291 --> 00:11:21,833 [Tom] John Chambers was the son of two Irish immigrants. 213 00:11:21,875 --> 00:11:24,208 They grew up in a very rough neighborhood, 214 00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:27,541 where John found it necessary to defend his sister 215 00:11:27,583 --> 00:11:29,291 and his younger brother all the time. 216 00:11:31,541 --> 00:11:34,458 [narrator] During World War II, Chambers trained as a dental technician, 217 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:39,125 but his artistry led him to a career creating facial restoration prosthetics 218 00:11:39,166 --> 00:11:41,500 for wounded servicemen at the VA. 219 00:11:41,541 --> 00:11:45,666 But it's important that he comes from knowing the human face. 220 00:11:45,708 --> 00:11:48,500 It's important that he is reconstructing the human face. 221 00:11:50,083 --> 00:11:52,583 [narrator] Infatuated with the entertainment industry, 222 00:11:52,625 --> 00:11:55,916 Chambers wrote a letter to NBC Television Studios, 223 00:11:55,958 --> 00:11:58,833 asking for a job in the makeup department. 224 00:11:58,875 --> 00:12:00,958 So he drives to Hollywood 225 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,541 and then finds out that his letter of acceptance arrived 226 00:12:04,583 --> 00:12:06,250 the day that he left Chicago. 227 00:12:07,208 --> 00:12:10,250 [narrator] Chambers quickly established a name for himself 228 00:12:10,291 --> 00:12:15,375 and was sought after for many of the most popular television shows of his day. 229 00:12:15,416 --> 00:12:18,458 Johnny was outrageously unique. 230 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:20,166 There was nobody like him. 231 00:12:20,208 --> 00:12:23,666 He was jovial, laughing all the time. 232 00:12:23,708 --> 00:12:25,333 But when it came to the makeup, 233 00:12:25,375 --> 00:12:28,250 all of a sudden he got real serious. 234 00:12:28,291 --> 00:12:32,458 [Fred] He was stern in a way that it was humorous, [laughs] 235 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:34,375 because when he put his foot down, 236 00:12:34,416 --> 00:12:38,958 it was always something, "Wow, this guy's got some cashews." 237 00:12:39,958 --> 00:12:42,000 [Michael] He had almost a virtual monopoly 238 00:12:42,041 --> 00:12:44,958 on most of the prosthetic work that was happening in Hollywood. 239 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,875 They needed something that was in foam latex, 240 00:12:46,916 --> 00:12:48,375 they went to John. 241 00:12:48,416 --> 00:12:50,416 [narrator] From his garage studio, 242 00:12:50,458 --> 00:12:53,291 Chambers created some of the most iconic makeups 243 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:55,125 of the 1960s. 244 00:12:55,166 --> 00:12:59,208 He was a teacher, probably more than anything else. 245 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:04,208 He thoroughly and totally enjoyed what he did. 246 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:08,416 John made a tremendous impact on a whole lot of people 247 00:13:09,291 --> 00:13:11,875 but none more than me. 248 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:13,625 [soft instrumental music] 249 00:13:13,666 --> 00:13:16,916 [narrator] Tom Burman was born on Thanksgiving Day, 1940, 250 00:13:16,958 --> 00:13:19,583 at Santa Monica General Hospital. 251 00:13:19,625 --> 00:13:21,833 His father, Ellis, met his mother, Dorothy, 252 00:13:21,875 --> 00:13:24,500 while attending the Chicago Art Institute. 253 00:13:24,541 --> 00:13:27,708 After sculpting bronzes of prominent Nebraskans, 254 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:30,833 Ellis was commissioned to create several monument statues 255 00:13:30,875 --> 00:13:34,083 in Lincoln and Omaha for the WPA. 256 00:13:34,125 --> 00:13:36,125 When my father finished the monuments 257 00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:39,916 he was making in Nebraska, he packed up the whole family 258 00:13:39,958 --> 00:13:43,333 and drove to Hollywood, where he got a job at the studios 259 00:13:43,375 --> 00:13:45,416 working in the city department. 260 00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:48,583 And he ended up getting his own room in the prop shop, 261 00:13:48,625 --> 00:13:51,708 where he specialized in latex, plastic, 262 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:53,916 breakaways, and all kinds of neat stuff. 263 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:59,791 Now, your father, Ellis Sr., I mean, he was like a pioneer 264 00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:02,833 -in making rubber pieces, right? -Well, he did. 265 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,250 He ran the actual foam latex pieces 266 00:14:05,291 --> 00:14:08,458 at Universal Studio for The Wolf Man. 267 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,458 My dad became personal friends 268 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:15,916 with some of the big Hollywood actors at Universal back then, 269 00:14:15,958 --> 00:14:20,625 like Claude Rains, Abbott and Costello, and Lon Chaney Jr. 270 00:14:20,666 --> 00:14:23,125 And sometimes they would come and have a drink at our house. 271 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:26,000 I didn't pay much attention to that, I was too young. 272 00:14:26,041 --> 00:14:28,041 But one day he takes me to the set, 273 00:14:28,083 --> 00:14:32,333 and there was a makeup man on the set who called me over to him, 274 00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:37,166 and he put a little cut, a little makeup cut on my arm, which is pretty cool. 275 00:14:37,208 --> 00:14:39,583 And, um, he said, "What are you doing here?" 276 00:14:39,625 --> 00:14:41,958 And I said, "I'm with my dad." 277 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,916 And he looked at my dad and he said, "Wow." 278 00:14:43,958 --> 00:14:46,583 He said, "If you're half as talented as he is, 279 00:14:46,625 --> 00:14:51,000 someday you should think about becoming a makeup artist." 280 00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:52,416 His name was Jack Pierce. 281 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:54,500 [light violin music] 282 00:14:54,541 --> 00:14:56,666 [narrator] After a number of years at Universal, 283 00:14:56,708 --> 00:14:59,333 Ellis opened his own prop shop. 284 00:14:59,375 --> 00:15:03,250 Growing up in my family, we all worked for my father, 285 00:15:03,291 --> 00:15:07,125 just like a lot of the big makeup families worked together. 286 00:15:07,166 --> 00:15:10,666 [narrator] Hollywood's makeup industry had become a family-dominated business, 287 00:15:10,708 --> 00:15:14,250 with names like Don, Philips, and Westmore. 288 00:15:14,291 --> 00:15:16,750 My father, who was the oldest, Monty Sr. 289 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:20,250 um, was Rudolph Valentino's personal makeup artist. 290 00:15:20,291 --> 00:15:22,250 Perc became the head of Warner Brothers, 291 00:15:22,291 --> 00:15:25,000 Ern became the head of RKO, 292 00:15:25,041 --> 00:15:26,666 Bud took over Universal, 293 00:15:26,708 --> 00:15:28,416 Wally took over Paramount. 294 00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:30,500 Frank never really took over a studio, 295 00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:33,083 but he was very close with Cecil B. DeMille 296 00:15:33,125 --> 00:15:36,541 and did The Ten Commandments. 297 00:15:36,583 --> 00:15:41,166 There was a wonderful story about the, the makeup family 298 00:15:41,208 --> 00:15:43,666 of the Westmore brothers in Hollywood. 299 00:15:43,708 --> 00:15:46,458 So, I contacted the house of Westmore. 300 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:48,750 I was able to talk to Perc Westmore, 301 00:15:48,791 --> 00:15:50,333 said, "Why don't you come over?" 302 00:15:50,375 --> 00:15:52,958 And for the next three, four, five months, 303 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,625 I was sitting as a subject. 304 00:15:55,541 --> 00:15:57,291 My father called me at work. 305 00:15:57,333 --> 00:16:00,541 He told me that he was working at Don Paul Studios 306 00:16:00,583 --> 00:16:03,416 and he had a job sculpting up a "King Kong" gorilla. 307 00:16:03,458 --> 00:16:06,333 And come to find out, John Chambers was in partnership 308 00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:08,083 with Don Paul's. 309 00:16:10,083 --> 00:16:12,500 While I was there, I found out that there was a, um, an apprenticeship opening 310 00:16:12,541 --> 00:16:16,416 at 20th Century Fox and, uh, John said, "I'll call for you." 311 00:16:16,458 --> 00:16:18,916 And he did. He got me an appointment with Ben Nye, 312 00:16:18,958 --> 00:16:21,250 the department head of makeup. 313 00:16:21,291 --> 00:16:23,375 I went in to see him, nice man, 314 00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:27,458 and he gave me some really lousy news. 315 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:31,166 He told me there are over 90 applicants for the job 316 00:16:31,208 --> 00:16:33,375 and one of them was his own son. 317 00:16:33,416 --> 00:16:36,291 And I thought, "Oh, God," here I was, this close. 318 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:38,000 And I went home and I was so disheartened, 319 00:16:38,041 --> 00:16:42,000 and, and, um, I didn't think I'd ever get into makeup. 320 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:43,875 And that night I got a telephone call. 321 00:16:43,916 --> 00:16:46,250 It's Ben Nye and he says, 322 00:16:46,291 --> 00:16:47,541 "You want to come in tomorrow morning 323 00:16:47,583 --> 00:16:49,250 and start your apprenticeship." 324 00:16:50,208 --> 00:16:53,125 Six months later, I'm in Ben Nye's office, 325 00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:56,083 cleaning up his makeup station, which I often did, 326 00:16:56,125 --> 00:16:58,250 and Ben comes in with Richard Hamilton, 327 00:16:58,291 --> 00:17:00,458 who was their assistant department head, 328 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,125 and Dick Smith, their lab man. 329 00:17:03,166 --> 00:17:06,333 And they looked very forlorn. 330 00:17:06,375 --> 00:17:10,125 And Ben Nye is saying, "I didn't think they were going to go through with this project." 331 00:17:10,166 --> 00:17:14,875 And Dick is saying, "We did everything they wanted, didn't we, Ben?" 332 00:17:14,916 --> 00:17:17,041 And Richard saying, "No, they don't look good 333 00:17:17,083 --> 00:17:19,375 and they're, and they're too stiff. 334 00:17:19,416 --> 00:17:22,375 And, uh, they want to bring in Bud Westmore." 335 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,291 And he said, "Because he did the movie 336 00:17:24,333 --> 00:17:26,500 The List of Adrian Messenger." 337 00:17:26,541 --> 00:17:28,375 Now my ears are really perked up 338 00:17:28,416 --> 00:17:29,958 because I knew that John did that work. 339 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,375 I had seen the photographs at his house. 340 00:17:32,416 --> 00:17:33,916 I finally just kind of spoke up 341 00:17:33,958 --> 00:17:36,541 and I said, "John Chambers did it." 342 00:17:36,583 --> 00:17:38,916 So Ben Nye says, "We'll give him a call, 343 00:17:38,958 --> 00:17:41,291 see if he'd like to come in and pick up a script." 344 00:17:41,333 --> 00:17:44,000 So I called him and John told me, "So I'm busy right now. 345 00:17:44,041 --> 00:17:47,416 I'm making Spock's ears for Star Trek. 346 00:17:47,458 --> 00:17:50,000 And I said, "Well, they want Bud Westmore." 347 00:17:50,041 --> 00:17:51,833 And I know he didn't like him. 348 00:17:51,875 --> 00:17:54,750 He goes, [growls], he growls. 349 00:17:54,791 --> 00:17:57,000 They wanted Bud Westmore, 350 00:17:57,041 --> 00:17:59,541 from what I had heard from Tommy. 351 00:17:59,583 --> 00:18:04,125 And he was listening just as a new apprentice, apprentice. 352 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:08,791 And he's the one that was responsible for telling them 353 00:18:08,833 --> 00:18:11,000 to get me, I was available. 354 00:18:11,041 --> 00:18:13,166 The following day, he drives up, 355 00:18:13,208 --> 00:18:15,750 pulls up with his little Buick, gets out of the car. 356 00:18:15,791 --> 00:18:18,875 He's waving at me as I'm coming out of the makeup department. 357 00:18:18,916 --> 00:18:20,875 And he says, "It's you and me, Tommy." 358 00:18:20,916 --> 00:18:23,166 And he holds out this script and I read the title. 359 00:18:23,208 --> 00:18:24,750 Planet of the Apes. 360 00:18:29,916 --> 00:18:32,375 [narrator] In the heart of 20th Century Fox Studios 361 00:18:32,416 --> 00:18:34,625 was the makeup lab, where John Chambers 362 00:18:34,666 --> 00:18:38,083 and Tom Burman were tasked with creating the simians 363 00:18:38,125 --> 00:18:39,375 forPlanet of the Apes. 364 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:43,833 So, our very first day, John and I were standing 365 00:18:43,875 --> 00:18:47,666 in the lab, which was 33 years old and pretty dingy place, 366 00:18:47,708 --> 00:18:52,625 but in the middle of the room there was this, uh, two foot by four foot marble top table. 367 00:18:52,666 --> 00:18:54,916 And we were making lists of things he needed. 368 00:18:54,958 --> 00:18:57,000 So then John turns around, looks at me and he said, 369 00:18:57,041 --> 00:19:00,291 "Tommy... Let's clean this shithouse out." 370 00:19:00,333 --> 00:19:04,000 I started going through all the boxes, through the shelves, and underneath the tables, 371 00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:05,916 and I started pulling out all this stuff. 372 00:19:05,958 --> 00:19:08,666 And you could see at first, John was kind of being selective, 373 00:19:08,708 --> 00:19:11,875 "Oh, maybe we could use this." And then after a while, I see him overwhelmed. 374 00:19:11,916 --> 00:19:15,041 He goes, "You know what? Throw it all out. Get rid of it." 375 00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:19,041 I literally cleaned out 33 years of old makeup stuff. 376 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:23,041 It was loaded with all personal objects 377 00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:26,333 and I needed a laboratory to work, you know. 378 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,458 [narrator] While Chambers and Burman feverishly worked 379 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,875 on the makeup designs, it came time to cast the actors 380 00:19:32,916 --> 00:19:35,916 who would populate thePlanet of the Apes. 381 00:19:35,958 --> 00:19:38,416 [Lou] My agent said, "I've got an interview 382 00:19:38,458 --> 00:19:40,208 for Planet of the Apes." 383 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:41,875 Never heard of it before. 384 00:19:41,916 --> 00:19:43,375 Sounded like a B movie. 385 00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:46,500 So I went to 20th Century Fox. 386 00:19:46,541 --> 00:19:50,583 It was really just an interview with Franklin Schaffner. 387 00:19:50,625 --> 00:19:52,458 We didn't even talk about the movie. 388 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:53,625 I went home. 389 00:19:53,666 --> 00:19:55,833 Hours later, my agent called 390 00:19:55,875 --> 00:20:01,208 and said, um... "What did you tell him?" 391 00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:02,916 And I said, "What do you mean? What... 392 00:20:03,833 --> 00:20:05,250 Is he mad at me? 393 00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:06,708 What--" You know. 394 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:09,291 And she said, "No, you got the film." 395 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:12,000 I got the film, I didn't audition. 396 00:20:12,041 --> 00:20:13,708 [Alessandro] With an actor like Kim Hunter, 397 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:17,166 who had an Academy Award and was very distinguished actor, 398 00:20:17,208 --> 00:20:18,708 Roddy McDowall as well, 399 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:20,833 asking them to be buried behind makeup 400 00:20:20,875 --> 00:20:23,250 was something of great concern to them in the beginning. 401 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:26,916 When the town heard that there was going to be 402 00:20:26,958 --> 00:20:31,083 a major motion picture called Planet of the Apes, 403 00:20:31,125 --> 00:20:33,125 they were interested. 404 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:36,625 And then when they heard that Charlton Heston 405 00:20:36,666 --> 00:20:38,833 was going to be in it, they sat up. 406 00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:41,875 Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston? 407 00:20:41,916 --> 00:20:44,041 This must be quite a film. 408 00:20:44,083 --> 00:20:46,750 But when they heard Roddy McDowall was going to be in it, 409 00:20:46,791 --> 00:20:49,541 everyone was really impressed. 410 00:20:49,583 --> 00:20:51,833 It gave the film class. 411 00:20:52,875 --> 00:20:54,916 [narrator] As the cast began to take shape, 412 00:20:54,958 --> 00:20:58,666 the producers turned back to the 1966 test reel 413 00:20:58,708 --> 00:21:01,958 for their first choice to play Dr. Zaius. 414 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,250 [Tom] Somebody knocked on the door, so I opened the door and it's Edward G. Robinson. 415 00:21:05,291 --> 00:21:07,541 He tells Johnny, he says, "Well, I have a goatee 416 00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:10,708 and a mustache, and I won't shave that off. 417 00:21:10,750 --> 00:21:12,458 And I'm not going to wear that appliance. 418 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,625 I'm claustrophobic, I can't wear it all day." 419 00:21:14,666 --> 00:21:17,083 And John goes, "Oh, yeah, okay, Eddie. 420 00:21:17,125 --> 00:21:20,000 Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, that's good, yeah. 421 00:21:20,041 --> 00:21:23,250 Well, we'll work on that." And so, "Okay, thank you, John." 422 00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:26,083 And he leaves and John goes, "He's out of the picture." 423 00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:30,291 [laughs] I thought, "Wow, what power this makeup artist has." 424 00:21:31,208 --> 00:21:35,000 John Chambers was a brilliant artist, so talented. 425 00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:37,541 But he had one hell of a temper. 426 00:21:37,583 --> 00:21:41,958 My eloquence in adjectives go pretty far. 427 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Let me ask you about Chambers. 428 00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:47,625 Was he always two fisted and rough, or? 429 00:21:47,666 --> 00:21:50,333 He was a real tough character. He was a-- 430 00:21:50,375 --> 00:21:51,916 For instance, on Planet of the Apes, 431 00:21:51,958 --> 00:21:54,375 Arthur Jacobson and Mort Abrahams would come by, 432 00:21:54,416 --> 00:21:56,833 and they were going to, uh, see our progress. 433 00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:59,583 John was doing mock-ups on their heads in clay, 434 00:21:59,625 --> 00:22:01,583 and painting them, and putting hair on them. 435 00:22:01,625 --> 00:22:04,375 And, uh, I asked him if he-- If it would be okay 436 00:22:04,416 --> 00:22:06,291 if I sculpted a gorilla, and he said, "Yeah, Tommy, 437 00:22:06,333 --> 00:22:08,041 you do it in the back room back there 438 00:22:08,083 --> 00:22:09,416 where nobody's going to see it." 439 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,208 'Cause I didn't know what I was doing. 440 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:12,916 And so I was sculpting this gorilla, 441 00:22:12,958 --> 00:22:15,250 and Arthur Jacobson and Mort Abrahams came by, 442 00:22:15,291 --> 00:22:18,041 and they said, "Is John here?" And I ran up, I was an apprentice, 443 00:22:18,083 --> 00:22:20,166 and I brought John back, and they were looking 444 00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:22,958 at his sculptures of mock-ups he did. 445 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,500 And they were saying, "You know, difficulty is, 446 00:22:25,541 --> 00:22:27,250 we're going to have to take one of these faces 447 00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:29,875 and put it on a really top actress. 448 00:22:29,916 --> 00:22:31,875 I don't think anybody's going to want to wear this." 449 00:22:31,916 --> 00:22:34,583 Mort Abrahams walks in the back room and he sees this gorilla. 450 00:22:34,625 --> 00:22:37,875 Now the gorilla I had sculpted was not very good 451 00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:42,000 but it was kind of humanoid... humanoid ape. 452 00:22:42,041 --> 00:22:44,083 And he comes back, and he looks at this, and he says, 453 00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,208 -"Arthur, come out in here and take a look at this." -Oh, my God. 454 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:50,458 -And John looks at me and I knew [gasps], you know. Oh, boy. -[laughs] 455 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:53,541 -'Cause he's Irish and he just turned kind of red. -Yeah, red. 456 00:22:53,583 --> 00:22:59,166 And so, they said, "John, come out here, take a look at this. Take a look, what is this?" 457 00:22:59,208 --> 00:23:01,916 He said, "Don't worry about-- that's a background mask and we're working on it. 458 00:23:01,958 --> 00:23:04,250 It's not even close to being ready. Come on back here." 459 00:23:04,291 --> 00:23:06,791 "No, John, what we like about this is 460 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:09,083 it's kind of like an evolutionary ape. 461 00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:12,041 It's a little more human." 462 00:23:12,083 --> 00:23:15,083 And so I'm feeling pride that they're enjoying it, 463 00:23:15,125 --> 00:23:18,125 but I look beyond that and I see John just turning red. 464 00:23:18,166 --> 00:23:20,166 He's going purple, I mean. 465 00:23:20,208 --> 00:23:22,583 And they said, "Well, next week we'd like to come back 466 00:23:22,625 --> 00:23:24,500 and take a look at your progress. 467 00:23:24,541 --> 00:23:27,250 But give it some of that, a little bit of that." 468 00:23:27,291 --> 00:23:28,750 And John's, "Okay, yeah, yeah. 469 00:23:28,791 --> 00:23:31,833 I'll do that, yeah, okay, uh-huh, yeah." 470 00:23:31,875 --> 00:23:36,083 So, they walk out the door and he goes, "Huh, huh? 471 00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:38,875 You and your big greasy fucking thumb." 472 00:23:38,916 --> 00:23:41,500 -[laughs] -He said, "You know what you are?" 473 00:23:41,541 --> 00:23:43,958 He said, "You're a fucking lunch bucket. 474 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,541 You're a lunch bucket. You're going to have that lunch bucket glued 475 00:23:46,583 --> 00:23:48,500 to your hand all your life." 476 00:23:48,541 --> 00:23:51,208 -Oh, my God. -He walks back, picks up the gorilla, 477 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:52,958 smashes it on the floor. 478 00:23:55,208 --> 00:23:57,458 And he says, "Get out, get out!" 479 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:00,583 For three days he'd come up the makeup department, 480 00:24:00,625 --> 00:24:02,875 he would check to see what I was doing. 481 00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:06,375 He wanted to catch me doing something. He was still burning inside. 482 00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:09,666 -He was trying to find something I was-- -I'm quarter Irish, so I know. 483 00:24:09,708 --> 00:24:12,583 Yeah, so I kind of hid out from him for the most part. 484 00:24:12,625 --> 00:24:16,500 One day, I'm eating my lunch and he catches me. "You're eating your lunch early." 485 00:24:16,541 --> 00:24:18,791 I said, "Well, Ben Nye told me to go to lunch early 486 00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:21,166 because I came in early." He said, "Yeah?" 487 00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:24,125 And I had drawn a picture of myself crucified on the wall. 488 00:24:24,166 --> 00:24:27,916 And I had a little caption that said, "I can laugh when things aren't funny." 489 00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:31,583 He took a look at that picture and he goes, just. [laughs] 490 00:24:31,625 --> 00:24:34,708 And he laughs and so hard, it's like a release for him. 491 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:36,541 The tears are running down his face. 492 00:24:36,583 --> 00:24:39,750 He laughed, he goes, "Okay, okay. Get back in the lab." 493 00:24:39,791 --> 00:24:41,541 And we never spoke about it again. 494 00:24:41,583 --> 00:24:43,083 -Again. -Never again. 495 00:24:43,125 --> 00:24:44,583 [eerie music] 496 00:24:46,291 --> 00:24:48,500 [narrator] With Edward G. Robinson out, 497 00:24:48,541 --> 00:24:51,458 the role of the orangutan, the protector of the faith, 498 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,208 went to classically trained Shakespearean actor, 499 00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:56,000 Maurice Evans. 500 00:24:56,041 --> 00:24:59,041 Maurice was the actors' actor, you know? 501 00:24:59,083 --> 00:25:02,541 He reeked of authority. 502 00:25:02,583 --> 00:25:06,083 Maurice Evans was probably the only actor on record 503 00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:08,500 who enjoyed getting into the makeup. 504 00:25:09,416 --> 00:25:12,291 [narrator] With a growing number of chimpanzees, 505 00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:14,791 orangutans, and gorillas being cast, 506 00:25:14,833 --> 00:25:17,750 an equally large crew of artists would be needed 507 00:25:17,791 --> 00:25:19,416 to apply the makeups. 508 00:25:19,458 --> 00:25:22,708 I happened to have a knack of looking at a person 509 00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:26,125 when I meet 'em, and God gave me a gift. 510 00:25:26,166 --> 00:25:29,041 I can read 'em right to the teeth. 511 00:25:29,083 --> 00:25:31,208 Good or bad, you know. 512 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:33,833 And I don't let 'em know which way, 513 00:25:33,875 --> 00:25:38,666 but I found out I could find the people that had the salt. 514 00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:43,125 At that time, I was working on the third season 515 00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:45,000 of Lost in Space. 516 00:25:45,041 --> 00:25:48,625 Then they took Ben Nye, he took me off the show 517 00:25:48,666 --> 00:25:51,375 and then I started with John. 518 00:25:51,416 --> 00:25:54,333 I got the job on Apes because I was, what you would call 519 00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:58,375 a staff, I guess, in those days over at Fox. So they sent me up. 520 00:25:58,416 --> 00:26:01,833 And so, on the plane going up, I was sitting with a young lady and her mother. 521 00:26:01,875 --> 00:26:03,291 And we got to talking, 522 00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:05,833 and realized I had made her up on a 523 00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:08,000 little test pilot that they were going to do. 524 00:26:08,041 --> 00:26:10,166 Anyway, when we get up there, she went to the department 525 00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:13,041 and said, "I'd like that fellow to do my makeup." 526 00:26:13,083 --> 00:26:15,125 So I did her makeup while I was up there. 527 00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:17,541 The girl was Linda Harrison. 528 00:26:18,708 --> 00:26:21,916 [Tom] John Chambers designed the makeups 529 00:26:21,958 --> 00:26:25,041 to be like paint by numbers 530 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:28,791 because he wanted to maintain a continuity, 531 00:26:28,833 --> 00:26:31,291 a consistency of uniformity. 532 00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:34,375 He did not want makeup artists coming in 533 00:26:34,416 --> 00:26:37,125 and putting their own signature on the makeups. 534 00:26:37,166 --> 00:26:39,833 I took green young men 535 00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:43,958 that I saw a certain talent in what they produced 536 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,541 in other parts of makeup, 537 00:26:46,583 --> 00:26:49,125 and I said, "This guy's an artist." 538 00:26:49,166 --> 00:26:52,375 I'd never had any experience working with prosthetics. 539 00:26:52,416 --> 00:26:54,083 Planet of the Apes was the first one. 540 00:26:54,125 --> 00:26:56,458 Prosthetics was not my thing. 541 00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,958 I had never done prosthetics. 542 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,041 [Maurice] We had two to three weeks of rehearsal 543 00:27:03,083 --> 00:27:05,166 where we were putting these appliances on. 544 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:09,250 [Darrell] Well, we had a couple of journeymen makeup artists 545 00:27:09,291 --> 00:27:12,791 in the trailers with us who would go up and down, 546 00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:15,541 and give us pointers, and tell us what to do, 547 00:27:15,583 --> 00:27:18,375 or what not to do, or you're doing too much, 548 00:27:18,416 --> 00:27:19,875 or doing too little. 549 00:27:19,916 --> 00:27:23,416 [Maurice] It was kept as simple as possible. 550 00:27:23,458 --> 00:27:28,583 We had a full face appliance that had to be prepped, 551 00:27:28,625 --> 00:27:31,416 which meant we had to clear out the eye area 552 00:27:31,458 --> 00:27:34,250 and the mouth area, and we had to learn how 553 00:27:34,291 --> 00:27:36,750 to feather out the edges on the piece. 554 00:27:37,875 --> 00:27:41,666 [John Chambers] All these people that, that worked with me, 555 00:27:41,708 --> 00:27:45,500 that-- They made that picture as it was. 556 00:27:45,541 --> 00:27:49,000 I had Tommy Burman, he was apprentice. 557 00:27:49,041 --> 00:27:51,791 He was a man with his two sons and a wife, 558 00:27:51,833 --> 00:27:56,666 and they were having a rough time keeping bread on the table 559 00:27:56,708 --> 00:27:58,375 at that time, when he was so young. 560 00:27:59,708 --> 00:28:02,625 [Tom] As an apprentice makeup artist at Fox, 561 00:28:02,666 --> 00:28:04,708 they paid me $90 a week 562 00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:07,666 and I had no complaints about that. 563 00:28:07,708 --> 00:28:13,625 But when they found out that I was working seven days a week, 16 hours a day, 564 00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:16,458 the amount that I was contributing to the making of these apes, 565 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:20,625 they decided to bump me up to, uh, journeyman wages. 566 00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:24,333 I told him, "I'm going to put you down as a lab man." 567 00:28:25,208 --> 00:28:30,041 You know, put him into journeyman salary and I carried him through it. 568 00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:33,541 He was one of, one of the best people I'd chosen. 569 00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:37,333 Before that, I'd never had $100 to my name. 570 00:28:38,333 --> 00:28:41,875 Now I am well-paid, and John and I are ready to go. 571 00:28:43,083 --> 00:28:45,666 [narrator] After years of struggle, misfires, 572 00:28:45,708 --> 00:28:49,166 and challenges,Planet of the Apes was finally ready 573 00:28:49,208 --> 00:28:50,416 to move into production. 574 00:28:50,458 --> 00:28:52,041 [dramatic swells] 575 00:28:52,083 --> 00:28:54,125 [film whirring] 576 00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:55,958 [crew chattering] 577 00:28:57,875 --> 00:29:00,000 [Dan] The studio didn't have great faith in it, 578 00:29:00,041 --> 00:29:02,375 so they were really wrenched down 579 00:29:02,416 --> 00:29:03,958 as far as the money is concerned 580 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,541 and as far as the amount of days. 581 00:29:06,583 --> 00:29:10,541 [Lou] The first day of our shoot, everyone was very worried. 582 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,458 You could hear all the scuttlebutt and everything. 583 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,375 This has got to work or we're all in trouble. 584 00:29:17,416 --> 00:29:21,416 We spent $6 million to be the joke of the town. 585 00:29:22,416 --> 00:29:24,208 [Dan] Schaffner, to his credit, 586 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:27,083 when people were coming from all sides saying, 587 00:29:27,125 --> 00:29:30,041 "Well, why don't you drop this scene and do it this way? 588 00:29:30,083 --> 00:29:32,000 It's cheaper and easier." 589 00:29:32,041 --> 00:29:33,000 He resisted. 590 00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:35,291 [John Chambers] I respected him. 591 00:29:35,333 --> 00:29:37,583 He came from television. 592 00:29:37,625 --> 00:29:39,875 My start was in television, 593 00:29:39,916 --> 00:29:42,500 and we talked the same language. 594 00:29:42,541 --> 00:29:47,166 I says, "What I need from you is your authority 595 00:29:47,208 --> 00:29:51,125 to stop a shot and say we have to take it over 596 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:52,791 on account of something I saw." 597 00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:55,541 And I says, "Can I stop camera?" 598 00:29:55,583 --> 00:29:56,583 He said, "Yeah." 599 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,250 [Tom] Working in the lab, it was a struggle every day 600 00:30:00,291 --> 00:30:02,541 to keep up with production. 601 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:05,208 And we were working around the clock. 602 00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:07,500 We couldn't have worked any more hours. 603 00:30:07,541 --> 00:30:09,750 In those first couple months, it was really tough. 604 00:30:10,791 --> 00:30:12,916 [John Chambers] The guys were working hard, you know, 605 00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:15,166 and I came in at two at night, 606 00:30:15,208 --> 00:30:18,250 and I found the guy asleep on the chair, you know. 607 00:30:18,291 --> 00:30:20,416 The chair, he was so fatigued. 608 00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:22,500 Oh, man, you know, we worked. 609 00:30:22,541 --> 00:30:26,250 Not just five days, but Saturday and Sunday, you know. 610 00:30:26,291 --> 00:30:29,916 One time I asked, "Am I going to get some help?" 611 00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:32,125 And they says, "Nope." I said, 612 00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:34,333 "Well, What do you want me to do, put a broom up my rear 613 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,083 and sweep the floors as well?" 614 00:30:37,041 --> 00:30:39,958 [Ken] John Chambers was on location and he was leaving 615 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,500 to go back to the studio. 616 00:30:41,541 --> 00:30:44,041 And he knew how hard I'd been working. 617 00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:47,625 And he said, you know, he says, "You've been really busting your butt. 618 00:30:47,666 --> 00:30:51,541 You take off tomorrow. You sleep late, you just stay home." 619 00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:55,125 Four in the morning, pounding on the door. 620 00:30:55,166 --> 00:30:57,833 "Get up and get dressed, you're going on the set!" 621 00:30:58,708 --> 00:31:01,958 I said, "Well, John told me I could have the day off." 622 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,083 "No, no, no. 623 00:31:03,125 --> 00:31:05,666 He's not here and we are." 624 00:31:06,916 --> 00:31:11,375 [Lou] Our call was 2:30 for seven o'clock on the set. 625 00:31:11,416 --> 00:31:15,166 They stumbled, and were slow, and everything, 626 00:31:15,208 --> 00:31:17,041 but it was in the middle of the night. 627 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:19,166 It was rough. 628 00:31:19,208 --> 00:31:20,375 [Darrell] We worked, and worked, and worked 629 00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:22,125 to get those edges covered. 630 00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:24,541 And then we laid hair over 'em. 631 00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:28,875 We had to work with straight human Asian hair, 632 00:31:28,916 --> 00:31:32,625 black, which is the hardest thing to work with 633 00:31:32,666 --> 00:31:34,916 that I've ever found. 634 00:31:34,958 --> 00:31:37,625 [Lou] Tom spent a lot of his day in the lab 635 00:31:37,666 --> 00:31:40,083 with Werner and Fern Langdon. 636 00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:43,916 And if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have makeup. 637 00:31:43,958 --> 00:31:45,833 I created an assembly line. 638 00:31:45,875 --> 00:31:48,666 I had 'em working through the night, a shift. 639 00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:52,583 Putting rubber in the oven eleven o'clock at night, 640 00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:54,250 taking it out in the morning. 641 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:56,875 You know, no one ever did this before, see? 642 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,666 [Dan] I think on Roddy McDowall at one time, 643 00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:02,000 we were down to one mask ahead the next day's work. 644 00:32:02,041 --> 00:32:03,708 If the running the oven went bad, 645 00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:05,666 which they do many times... 646 00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:09,166 the following day we're screwed. 647 00:32:09,208 --> 00:32:12,416 [Tom] Working the lab long hours was bad enough, 648 00:32:12,458 --> 00:32:15,166 but then having to go to the set and work there 649 00:32:15,208 --> 00:32:18,791 was completely exhausting. But every day was a thrill. 650 00:32:18,833 --> 00:32:21,208 Getting up in the morning was a thrill. The whole day was a thrill 651 00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:23,666 because I knew I was working on something special. 652 00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:28,500 We had a lot of little problems 653 00:32:28,541 --> 00:32:31,416 that we resolved by working together on it. 654 00:32:32,416 --> 00:32:34,625 It was great, it was like a club. 655 00:32:35,541 --> 00:32:38,916 [Dan] People excelled, absolutely excelled. 656 00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:40,250 Every time they turned around, 657 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:43,083 it was another huge obstacle. 658 00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:46,875 Just this constant push, push, push. 659 00:32:46,916 --> 00:32:49,583 Probably the greatest effort I've ever seen 660 00:32:49,625 --> 00:32:51,208 in the motion picture industry. 661 00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:53,708 [Maurice] The actors had to eat. 662 00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:56,500 The actors that were in all of the makeup. 663 00:32:56,541 --> 00:33:00,208 One of the gorillas was supposed to be driving a wagon. 664 00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:03,666 It looked fine but as soon as he took the reins, 665 00:33:03,708 --> 00:33:06,208 and he snapped 'em, and he yelled real loud, 666 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:08,000 he opened his mouth real big, 667 00:33:08,041 --> 00:33:12,416 the whole front part of the bottom piece broke loose. 668 00:33:12,458 --> 00:33:18,333 I look down in there and I see peas. Like, peas that you eat. 669 00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:23,875 [narrator] From that point on, they served milkshakes at lunch, anything with a straw. 670 00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:28,208 We were at the bottom of the Colorado River 671 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:30,875 and base camp was way up on top. 672 00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,000 And we moved everything down with us 673 00:33:33,041 --> 00:33:35,458 and they forgot straws. 674 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:40,333 Well, that doesn't mean too much to the average person 675 00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:44,416 but for Kim, Roddy, Maurice, and me... 676 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,625 we couldn't, we couldn't drink. 677 00:33:48,666 --> 00:33:51,166 So, Heston says, "You don't have any straws? 678 00:33:51,208 --> 00:33:52,666 Where are the straws?" 679 00:33:52,708 --> 00:33:54,583 "They're back at the base camp." 680 00:33:54,625 --> 00:33:59,250 He ran back to the base camp and brought straws back for us. 681 00:33:59,291 --> 00:34:02,583 So, you know, that-- just to let you know 682 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:06,375 what a, what a great common guy he was. 683 00:34:07,375 --> 00:34:11,625 Kim Hunter was the queen of the set. [chuckles] 684 00:34:11,666 --> 00:34:17,583 She was articulate and, like Roddy, just a super actor. 685 00:34:19,375 --> 00:34:23,708 [Maurice] Maurice Evans, who played an orangutan, played chess, 686 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:29,666 and I played chess. We found ourselves sitting outside, Fox back lot, 687 00:34:29,708 --> 00:34:31,416 and the two of us were looking at each other 688 00:34:31,458 --> 00:34:33,875 just like, this is normal everyday thing. 689 00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:37,208 [Dan] I remember my superior, Doc. Murman, 690 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:38,833 he said, "Well, we'll go to the dailies, 691 00:34:38,875 --> 00:34:41,083 we got to watch this piece of junk again today, 692 00:34:41,125 --> 00:34:43,666 you know, 15 minutes of this." He says-- 693 00:34:43,708 --> 00:34:46,541 You know. I said, "Well, don't underestimate 694 00:34:46,583 --> 00:34:48,500 what an ape can do, you know?" [chuckles] 695 00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:51,083 [narrator] To ensure the locations would be 696 00:34:51,125 --> 00:34:52,958 as groundbreaking as the makeups, 697 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,125 production designer, Bill Creber, created Ape City, 698 00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:59,375 shot on Fox Ranch in Malibu Canyon. 699 00:34:59,416 --> 00:35:01,916 I always loved Ape City because everything was rounded 700 00:35:01,958 --> 00:35:04,583 and had these soft curves to them 701 00:35:04,625 --> 00:35:07,750 that, that looked primitive but functional. 702 00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:11,916 [narrator] For the final beach scene, filmed in Malibu, 703 00:35:11,958 --> 00:35:14,333 the makeups and heavy costumes had to be worn 704 00:35:14,375 --> 00:35:16,916 in 100 degree heat. 705 00:35:16,958 --> 00:35:20,708 [Lou] I think it was, uh, Charlton Heston's idea 706 00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:23,083 to helicopter us all in. 707 00:35:23,125 --> 00:35:27,375 So we all met at 20th Century Fox, there's a helipad there, 708 00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:30,750 and we were helicoptered to the actual set. 709 00:35:30,791 --> 00:35:33,333 Then we had our makeup started. 710 00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:36,000 [Tom] You knew they weren't comfortable. We tried to keep everybody 711 00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,458 as comfortable as we could, but it wasn't easy. 712 00:35:40,041 --> 00:35:43,000 When we finally wrapped Planet of the Apes, 713 00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:47,208 it was, I... I guess it was bittersweet 714 00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:52,000 because, you know, you'd been-- I'd been so involved for eight months 715 00:35:52,041 --> 00:35:53,875 without a day off. 716 00:35:53,916 --> 00:35:56,250 It totally consumed my life. 717 00:35:56,291 --> 00:36:00,375 All of a sudden, I didn't have to get up at 3:15. 718 00:36:00,416 --> 00:36:02,708 I wouldn't be seeing all of my friends that I worked with, 719 00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:05,250 and I'd made a lot of friends on that show. 720 00:36:05,291 --> 00:36:07,250 And it was a very strange feeling 721 00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:09,875 because I wanted to continue doing that, 722 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:11,458 continue doing just what I was doing, 723 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:13,458 what I'd been doing for eight months. 724 00:36:15,333 --> 00:36:18,291 [Darrell] When they said, "that's a wrap" for the last time... 725 00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:19,333 [laughs] 726 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,375 I left there, I thought, "I don't ever want 727 00:36:23,416 --> 00:36:27,000 to do another appliance as long as I live." 728 00:36:27,041 --> 00:36:31,000 [Maurice] Planet of the Apes was a real team effort 729 00:36:31,041 --> 00:36:37,208 because all of us were brand new at applying this amount 730 00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:40,666 of appliance work on a daily basis. 731 00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:45,666 But when you look at what is going to end up on the screen, 732 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:51,916 the worst makeup job is going to represent everybody. 733 00:36:52,875 --> 00:36:57,208 The best makeup job is also going to represent everybody. 734 00:36:58,541 --> 00:37:00,125 [narrator] Filming of Planet of the Apes wrapped 735 00:37:00,166 --> 00:37:02,875 on August 10th, 1967. 736 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:05,375 It was now in the hands of the post-production team, 737 00:37:05,416 --> 00:37:09,833 including Jerry Goldsmith, who was composing the iconic score. 738 00:37:09,875 --> 00:37:12,500 John told me, he said, "It's going to have a rough screening. You want to go and see it?" 739 00:37:12,541 --> 00:37:14,750 And I think Wes Don, the other apprentice and I, 740 00:37:14,791 --> 00:37:16,583 "Yeah, let's go see it." 741 00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:18,750 I was devastated 'cause I never saw a movie 742 00:37:18,791 --> 00:37:21,958 without color correction, without music, 743 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,583 you know, with just temp music, missing scenes. 744 00:37:24,625 --> 00:37:27,666 And I came back and John said, "What do you think, Tommy? Eh? 745 00:37:27,708 --> 00:37:31,333 Eh? What do you think?" And I'm terrified of telling him I think it's one of 746 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:33,541 the worst things I've ever seen. 747 00:37:33,583 --> 00:37:37,625 The actors looked great but the rest of the movie looked terrible. 748 00:37:37,666 --> 00:37:39,041 [narrator] Planet of the Apes also required 749 00:37:39,083 --> 00:37:41,750 considerable ADR, or dubbing, 750 00:37:41,791 --> 00:37:45,000 due to the muffled voices of the actors in makeup. 751 00:37:45,041 --> 00:37:48,000 [Lou] Doing the looping, Franklin would give direction, 752 00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:51,541 and then he had a golf cup and he'd putt. 753 00:37:51,583 --> 00:37:55,458 And then, "Okay, go ahead, Lou." [laughs] 754 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:57,750 [Tom] So, Danny Striepeke gives me a gorilla mask 755 00:37:57,791 --> 00:38:01,125 and tells me to take it over to the scoring stage. 756 00:38:02,041 --> 00:38:05,291 When I get there, Jerry's in the middle of scoring the film, 757 00:38:05,333 --> 00:38:06,833 and I was just blown away 758 00:38:06,875 --> 00:38:09,583 because I never heard anything like it. 759 00:38:09,625 --> 00:38:12,041 And Jerry wanted to wear the mask for inspiration 760 00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:14,125 while he conducted his orchestra. 761 00:38:15,375 --> 00:38:18,083 It's a very unusual score. I mean, that was another thing about Jerry was 762 00:38:18,125 --> 00:38:23,208 that he loved to take chances. And he would use orchestrations and combinations of approaches 763 00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:26,916 that ordinarily wouldn't probably be considered by most people. 764 00:38:26,958 --> 00:38:29,500 [uplifting music] 765 00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:32,875 [Dan] It all coalesced. 766 00:38:32,916 --> 00:38:34,625 That doesn't happen very often. 767 00:38:35,625 --> 00:38:38,333 To bring all those divergent talents together 768 00:38:38,375 --> 00:38:42,041 into one, I call it a column of creativity. 769 00:38:43,791 --> 00:38:45,541 [tense music] 770 00:38:45,583 --> 00:38:47,416 [narrator] Planet of the Apes was completed 771 00:38:47,458 --> 00:38:52,416 near the end of 1967 and slated for a March 1968 release. 772 00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:57,208 [John Chambers] The biggest fear we had was, will they laugh 773 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,083 or accept the apes? 774 00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,125 But I thought if they laughed, 775 00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:04,333 this was going to be a Mickey Mouse. 776 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,208 20th Century Fox had a lot riding on this movie. 777 00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:11,375 And the rumor around the lot was 778 00:39:11,416 --> 00:39:13,458 that if this thing was a flop 779 00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:16,625 that they would be in tremendous jeopardy. 780 00:39:17,916 --> 00:39:20,291 [Charlton] Hundreds of technicians and the largest number of 781 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:21,875 makeup artists ever assembled 782 00:39:21,916 --> 00:39:24,875 assisted the producers, the writers, 783 00:39:24,916 --> 00:39:26,583 the director, and the cast. 784 00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:30,958 [Ed] I didn't really think it was going to be that big, no. 785 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,333 But I know it'd been tried before and it was a flop. 786 00:39:34,375 --> 00:39:36,208 [announcer]Planet of the Apes, 787 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:38,500 beyond your wildest dreams. 788 00:39:40,083 --> 00:39:42,458 I was fortunate enough to get a ticket 789 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,291 from 20th Century Fox to go see their premiere opening. 790 00:39:47,833 --> 00:39:50,208 I sat dead center in the theater. 791 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:53,333 And once I saw that gorilla come up in the corn field, 792 00:39:53,375 --> 00:39:56,291 that big zoom shot, I went, "Oh, my God." 793 00:39:57,541 --> 00:40:00,041 The reveal of the gorillas 794 00:40:00,083 --> 00:40:03,583 is still absolutely extraordinary sequence. 795 00:40:03,625 --> 00:40:06,666 You see the sticks, and you see the people running, 796 00:40:06,708 --> 00:40:10,541 and the astronauts are like, "What's up?" You know. 797 00:40:10,583 --> 00:40:12,000 [Richard] Starting to get really into the movie 798 00:40:12,041 --> 00:40:16,708 and then as you realize, wait a minute, 799 00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:21,000 I'm, I'm relating to these-- They're apes. 800 00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:23,250 You didn't even think about it. 801 00:40:23,291 --> 00:40:26,375 Charlton Heston looked more animated than the apes did. 802 00:40:26,416 --> 00:40:31,125 Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape! 803 00:40:32,041 --> 00:40:34,916 As soon as we saw the apes, 804 00:40:34,958 --> 00:40:38,375 I, I was-- I just stared and stared, 805 00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:40,458 trying to figure out, how did they do that? 806 00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:44,291 [Guillermo] It's hard for people to imagine now 807 00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:48,333 what a massive mind-destroying thing it was 808 00:40:48,375 --> 00:40:49,625 to see apes talk. 809 00:40:51,416 --> 00:40:54,458 It blew me away. Because all of a sudden, you're seeing chimpanzees, 810 00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:58,083 and you're seeing orangutans, and you're seeing gorillas. 811 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:03,083 [Scott] But I think what people still to this day talk about 812 00:41:03,125 --> 00:41:06,625 is that amazing ending where he's home, all the time. 813 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,291 That stunned people, that shocking ending. 814 00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:12,208 And they play it without any music. 815 00:41:14,833 --> 00:41:18,458 All you hear is the ocean lapping up on the shore. 816 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,833 And he's just screaming his guts out. 817 00:41:23,458 --> 00:41:25,833 And then you get a point of view shot which pulls back 818 00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:28,458 and you see the Statue of Liberty in ruins, 819 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,541 blown to pieces, and rusted, and decrepit. 820 00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:38,250 It's so devastating because the symbol is not accidental. 821 00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:44,291 It's liberty, it's everything that was good about the world, 822 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,083 that is destroyed. 823 00:41:47,125 --> 00:41:49,791 It said everything I believed in. 824 00:41:49,833 --> 00:41:51,375 Um... 825 00:41:51,416 --> 00:41:53,166 We were living in an era... 826 00:41:54,208 --> 00:41:55,958 where we were still afraid of the bomb. 827 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,708 Of course we are now, today, 828 00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:02,208 but it was very prevalent then. 829 00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:06,875 And this script said, you know, you idiots. 830 00:42:06,916 --> 00:42:11,916 You keep fooling around and you're going to blow everything up. 831 00:42:11,958 --> 00:42:13,125 [solemn music] 832 00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:15,458 [Tom] I was so moved and so, um, 833 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,083 proud to have worked on this film. 834 00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:20,458 It was like the highlight of my life 835 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:22,958 to be able to sit and watch something that I had 836 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,208 given so much of my, uh, time and effort, 837 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:28,666 trying to make my part the best I could. 838 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:42,291 [narrator] Just three months into what was already shaping up 839 00:42:42,333 --> 00:42:45,583 to be the most tumultuous year of the 20th century, 840 00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:49,625 Planet of the Apes premiered on March 27th, 1968. 841 00:42:50,666 --> 00:42:54,750 Everything about a movie is who you are, 842 00:42:54,791 --> 00:42:59,833 how old you are, who you're with the first time you see it. 843 00:42:59,875 --> 00:43:03,458 And when you ask people for one of their favorite movies 844 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,958 or something, not only can they tell you about the movie, 845 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,375 but you say, "Where'd you see it?" 846 00:43:09,416 --> 00:43:10,916 They'll tell you the theater. 847 00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:16,458 My mom dropped us off, it was a little theater in Santa Ana. 848 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,208 Um, [clears throat] we ran out to the car and said, 849 00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:20,583 "We want to see it again!" 850 00:43:22,083 --> 00:43:23,500 [Maurice] When Planet of the Apescame out, 851 00:43:23,541 --> 00:43:25,166 that's all people talked about. 852 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,166 [Darrell] It was pretty intense. 853 00:43:29,208 --> 00:43:32,125 I mean, they lined up to see this movie. 854 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,875 [Lou] You really don't know what to think 855 00:43:35,916 --> 00:43:39,208 of a film called Planet of the Apes. 856 00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:45,208 You don't think it's going to tackle such important things. 857 00:43:47,916 --> 00:43:50,458 [Leonard] It was the kind of film everybody wanted to see, 858 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,208 that everybody buzzed about. 859 00:43:53,291 --> 00:43:55,291 It was a film that made an impression. 860 00:43:56,416 --> 00:43:57,416 How could it not? 861 00:43:58,916 --> 00:44:02,166 There was something magical, funny, whimsical, poignant. 862 00:44:04,083 --> 00:44:07,833 [Steve] The worldwide nerve that it struck, 863 00:44:07,875 --> 00:44:10,500 besides the story, which is incredible, 864 00:44:10,541 --> 00:44:12,458 and there's so many subtexts to it as well, 865 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,416 the makeups were pretty outstanding. 866 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:18,541 [Michael] As everyone in this industry is going to tell you, 867 00:44:18,583 --> 00:44:21,458 Planet of the Apeswas a complete game changer 868 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:25,458 where the makeup was such an integral part 869 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:29,041 of telling of that story. If the makeup didn't work, the film wouldn't have worked. 870 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:30,375 It would've looked silly. 871 00:44:32,083 --> 00:44:34,041 In the makeup world, it was revolutionary 872 00:44:34,083 --> 00:44:35,833 as sound coming to film. 873 00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:40,625 [Tom] Thinking back to day one 874 00:44:40,666 --> 00:44:42,708 when John Chambers pulled up in his car, 875 00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:44,583 waved at me getting out, 876 00:44:44,625 --> 00:44:47,000 and he said, "It's you and me, Tommy," holding the script, 877 00:44:47,958 --> 00:44:50,166 and it was Planet of the Apes. 878 00:44:50,208 --> 00:44:54,666 And he says, "I'm going to win the Academy Award." 879 00:44:55,833 --> 00:44:57,916 And I thought, "Come on, 880 00:44:57,958 --> 00:45:00,500 the Academy doesn't even give awards for makeup." 881 00:45:01,791 --> 00:45:03,791 [presenter] This year, a board of governors at the Academy 882 00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:06,375 has voted a special award for makeup. 883 00:45:06,416 --> 00:45:08,333 Would John Chambers please come out here 884 00:45:08,375 --> 00:45:09,958 and get his award? 885 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,041 [audience applauds] 886 00:45:19,541 --> 00:45:22,458 Mr. Chambers is responsible for making monkeys 887 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,250 out of Roddy McDowall, Maurice Evans, and Kim Hunter 888 00:45:26,291 --> 00:45:27,916 for Planet of the Apes. 889 00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:30,291 [audience applauds] 890 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:38,416 And quite brilliantly, too. 891 00:45:39,625 --> 00:45:41,958 Will one of the friends of Oscar back there 892 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,666 please bring Mr. Chambers his award? 893 00:45:44,708 --> 00:45:46,583 -[John chuckles] -[audience gasps] 894 00:45:46,625 --> 00:45:48,541 [audience applauds] 895 00:46:09,208 --> 00:46:11,458 That's what I call a terrific makeup job. 896 00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,375 [audience laughs] 897 00:46:16,166 --> 00:46:19,583 -How can I follow an act like that? -[audience laughs] 898 00:46:19,625 --> 00:46:23,041 May I thank the Board of Governors for this wonderful honor. 899 00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:26,208 May I thank Mr. Zanuck, Mr. Jacobs, 900 00:46:27,083 --> 00:46:29,291 and Ben Nye and Dan Striepeke, 901 00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:31,875 who share this award with me, I say. 902 00:46:31,916 --> 00:46:35,291 But most of all, all those wonderful makeup men 903 00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,916 and hairstylists that worked so hard 904 00:46:37,958 --> 00:46:39,958 to make this picture a success. 905 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,416 From all of us to all of you, 906 00:46:42,458 --> 00:46:44,583 God bless you and thank you so much. 907 00:46:44,625 --> 00:46:46,333 [audience applauds] 908 00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,875 [slow jazz music] 909 00:46:48,916 --> 00:46:50,791 [Tom] John Chambers wanted to acknowledge 910 00:46:50,833 --> 00:46:53,208 all the makeup artists that worked for him, 911 00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:55,416 so he went to a jeweler, and he got this jeweler 912 00:46:55,458 --> 00:46:58,375 to make these little gold and silver ape heads. 913 00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:01,000 The gold ones went to the makeup artists 914 00:47:01,041 --> 00:47:02,708 who did the principal actors. 915 00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:08,041 This was a gift from, uh, John Chambers 916 00:47:08,083 --> 00:47:11,833 to all of us who started and finished on the movie. 917 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,583 And I've treasured this over the years. 918 00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:22,041 This was John's way of sharing his Academy Award 919 00:47:22,083 --> 00:47:22,958 with all of us. 920 00:47:29,708 --> 00:47:32,833 [narrator] With Planet of the Apes a financial and critical hit, 921 00:47:32,875 --> 00:47:35,958 and having proved that nothing was impossible, 922 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,166 a new generation of makeup artists were inspired to join the craft. 923 00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:42,166 [Rick] The first time I even heard about Planet of the Apes, 924 00:47:42,208 --> 00:47:45,583 actually, my parents had a subscription to Life Magazine. 925 00:47:45,625 --> 00:47:47,708 They had a picture of Maurice Evans in the makeup. 926 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:51,166 I turned the page and saw this amazing orangutan, 927 00:47:51,208 --> 00:47:53,125 this guy, you know, "What the hell is this?" 928 00:47:53,166 --> 00:47:54,333 It was so cool. 929 00:47:54,375 --> 00:47:57,125 [upbeat jazz music] 930 00:47:57,166 --> 00:47:59,541 [Tom Woodruff] I remember learning about Planet of the Apes 931 00:47:59,583 --> 00:48:01,625 in the Famous Monsters of Filmland. 932 00:48:01,666 --> 00:48:03,791 It was just such an amazing thing 933 00:48:03,833 --> 00:48:06,333 to see that process in a, in a magazine, 934 00:48:06,375 --> 00:48:07,916 the step by step process. 935 00:48:09,041 --> 00:48:13,291 I knew then that I was thinking, I have to get into that. 936 00:48:13,333 --> 00:48:15,791 And that's when I started playing around. 937 00:48:15,833 --> 00:48:18,416 The first makeup was Planet of the Apesmakeup, you know. 938 00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,583 It was so much fun doing. 939 00:48:20,625 --> 00:48:27,500 It has this ability to intrigue every makeup artist. 940 00:48:27,541 --> 00:48:31,875 I don't know one makeup artist that's been like, "Please, Planet of the Apes." 941 00:48:31,916 --> 00:48:34,083 It just left this permanent mark, 942 00:48:34,125 --> 00:48:37,125 uh, uh, that I really wanted to be part of, 943 00:48:37,166 --> 00:48:40,625 and, and it was the only thing that, that I ever wanted to do since I was a kid. 944 00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:45,583 My first ever movie was a Super 8 945 00:48:45,625 --> 00:48:48,333 with my Planet of the Apes,uh, figures. 946 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,708 I think the studio, Fox was really, uh, surprised, 947 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:58,708 taken aback by just how many people, 948 00:48:58,750 --> 00:49:00,708 uh, fell in love with this movie. 949 00:49:01,916 --> 00:49:04,791 [Dan] Tremendous, tremendous reception to the film. 950 00:49:05,666 --> 00:49:08,791 And particularly Fox, when they started seeing the coffers fill up. 951 00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:12,625 And the studio went, "Sequel, sequel," you know, right away. 952 00:49:12,666 --> 00:49:15,791 The pressure on us was to come up with something 953 00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:19,291 as groundbreaking, and as unusual, and original, 954 00:49:19,333 --> 00:49:21,833 like the very first Planet of the Apes. 955 00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:23,833 [dramatic music] 956 00:49:23,875 --> 00:49:25,916 [narrator] Production of Beneath was difficult 957 00:49:25,958 --> 00:49:28,708 due to Charlton Heston only being willing to work one week 958 00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:32,000 and Fox battling producer Richard Zanuck, 959 00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:34,458 eventually leading to his firing from the studio. 960 00:49:35,541 --> 00:49:38,333 [Tom] The script for Beneath the Planet of the Apescalled 961 00:49:38,375 --> 00:49:42,375 for humans to live under the surface of the Earth. 962 00:49:42,416 --> 00:49:44,333 These humans were mutations. 963 00:49:45,583 --> 00:49:49,625 [John] When John Chambers set up his makeup lab, I would go over there, 964 00:49:49,666 --> 00:49:55,500 and, and there-- originally it was just John, and Mr. Burman, and Verner. 965 00:49:55,541 --> 00:49:58,500 And I would go over and hang out there 'cause it was so cool. 966 00:49:58,541 --> 00:50:01,250 You know, I'm a Famous Monsters of Filmlandkid. 967 00:50:01,291 --> 00:50:03,333 So to be with-- they had all this stuff. 968 00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:06,000 And in that movie are mutants. 969 00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:08,416 I watched all the prototypes 970 00:50:08,458 --> 00:50:11,250 and there were a couple that were so gross. 971 00:50:11,291 --> 00:50:14,125 There was one that had teeth coming, like, 972 00:50:14,166 --> 00:50:17,958 I mean, really malformed, and was so grotesque, 973 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,458 it literally made you sick. 974 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:24,458 I think we came up with half a dozen or so different sculptures 975 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,458 of different, uh, mutated people. 976 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:32,208 And what I noticed was... We were-- In the script, 977 00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:35,291 they were supposed to be able to take their normal faces 978 00:50:35,333 --> 00:50:39,458 and peel them off to reveal that they were mutated. 979 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,583 Well, I kept looking at these heads that we were doing, 980 00:50:41,625 --> 00:50:43,166 and these heads were so distorted 981 00:50:43,208 --> 00:50:45,416 you'd never be able to put a face over it. 982 00:50:45,458 --> 00:50:48,333 Somebody saw the book, Gray's Anatomy. 983 00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:50,083 It had an illustration of a guy in there 984 00:50:50,125 --> 00:50:52,166 with all the veins, and muscles, and everything showing. 985 00:50:52,208 --> 00:50:53,750 And went, "Oh, that's it." 986 00:50:53,791 --> 00:50:56,416 Because that we could put a thin skin on 987 00:50:56,458 --> 00:50:58,041 and make it look like the person underneath, 988 00:50:58,083 --> 00:50:59,666 so when they pulled it off, 989 00:50:59,708 --> 00:51:01,583 it would marry to it beautifully. 990 00:51:03,833 --> 00:51:06,041 Beneath the Planet of the Apesturned out 991 00:51:06,083 --> 00:51:08,750 to be a very successful sequel. 992 00:51:08,791 --> 00:51:12,833 And if Fox was surprised by the success of the original, 993 00:51:12,875 --> 00:51:15,166 I think they were even more surprised 994 00:51:15,208 --> 00:51:17,000 by the success of the sequel. 995 00:51:17,041 --> 00:51:21,416 So there was an immediate need to keep the story going. 996 00:51:24,208 --> 00:51:25,500 [narrator] At the end ofBeneath, 997 00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:27,333 the Earth is destroyed, 998 00:51:27,375 --> 00:51:30,166 seemingly ending the Planet of the Apes franchise. 999 00:51:30,208 --> 00:51:32,458 [low rumble] 1000 00:51:33,666 --> 00:51:36,208 By sending apes back in time, 1001 00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:39,583 a whole new world of opportunities was opened. 1002 00:51:39,625 --> 00:51:42,375 [Joe] The cleverest of the follow up pictures 1003 00:51:42,416 --> 00:51:43,958 is Escape from the Planet of the Apes, 1004 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,916 which is a time travel picture 1005 00:51:45,958 --> 00:51:48,791 in which the apes go back to 1973 1006 00:51:48,833 --> 00:51:51,666 and are harbingers of what's going to happen in the future. 1007 00:51:51,708 --> 00:51:54,583 And of course, there are, uh... 1008 00:51:54,625 --> 00:51:57,250 people who want to stop them from breeding 1009 00:51:57,291 --> 00:51:58,791 and make sure that that world 1010 00:51:58,833 --> 00:52:01,416 of apes conquering man never happens. 1011 00:52:01,458 --> 00:52:04,333 Uh, and it's a really cleverly plotted movie, 1012 00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:05,791 and it's my favorite in the series, 1013 00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:08,041 just because it's so much fun. 1014 00:52:09,208 --> 00:52:12,500 It has an ending that could have only... 1015 00:52:13,625 --> 00:52:15,916 happened in the 70s, 1016 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:19,250 where... well, "How do you want to end it?" 1017 00:52:20,208 --> 00:52:21,458 "Let's shoot a baby." 1018 00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:24,500 "Okay." [chuckles] 1019 00:52:24,541 --> 00:52:27,250 Planet of the Apesis the first major franchise 1020 00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:30,500 outside of James Bond that was successful in its sequels. 1021 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:35,083 I ran out to every single one of 'em. 1022 00:52:36,958 --> 00:52:39,708 My favorite is Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, 1023 00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:41,958 which, to my knowledge, was shot 1024 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,208 on the Century City, uh, grounds 1025 00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:48,750 after 20th Century Fox had sold their back lot. 1026 00:52:50,541 --> 00:52:52,166 I was at the University of California Irvine, 1027 00:52:52,208 --> 00:52:53,541 I was a premed student. 1028 00:52:53,583 --> 00:52:56,500 Um, I looked out the window one day, 1029 00:52:56,541 --> 00:52:59,666 and I was in my chemistry lab, and I saw a film crew on the set, 1030 00:52:59,708 --> 00:53:02,208 and apes running all over our campus. 1031 00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:04,958 And it was Conquest for the Planet of the Apes. 1032 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,416 And so, I told my lab partner, "Hey, finish up here. 1033 00:53:09,458 --> 00:53:11,208 I'm going to go pay a visit." 1034 00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:14,208 And I met J. Lee Thompson on the set, 1035 00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:16,750 had lunch with him, and then six months later 1036 00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:19,916 I was Cornelius on Battle for the Planet of the Apes. 1037 00:53:21,666 --> 00:53:24,041 [John] I knew J. Lee Thompson, 1038 00:53:24,083 --> 00:53:27,875 and Lee said to me, "I'm doing another Apes movie." 1039 00:53:28,833 --> 00:53:30,541 And I said, "Oh, good, you know." 1040 00:53:30,583 --> 00:53:33,375 And he said, "Why don't you be in it?" 1041 00:53:33,416 --> 00:53:34,875 I said, "I'd love to be in it." 1042 00:53:34,916 --> 00:53:36,125 He said, "Okay." 1043 00:53:36,166 --> 00:53:39,291 So, I'm mostly cut out of it. 1044 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,583 I'm a face on the cutting room floor in that movie 1045 00:53:41,625 --> 00:53:44,583 although I get pretty big billing right in the main title. [chuckles] 1046 00:53:44,625 --> 00:53:48,708 But, uh, I played a human slave to Roddy McDowall. 1047 00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:50,458 No cracks. 1048 00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:52,416 But I got a lot of shit for it, you know, 1049 00:53:52,458 --> 00:53:53,541 especially from Roddy. 1050 00:53:54,916 --> 00:53:56,375 [Bobby] The role of Cornelius wasn't really going 1051 00:53:56,416 --> 00:53:59,416 to be that significant until they realized 1052 00:53:59,458 --> 00:54:02,333 that they had, you know, a sentimental storyline. 1053 00:54:02,375 --> 00:54:06,791 After a few days of watching Roddy work up close, 1054 00:54:06,833 --> 00:54:10,916 I noticed that his makeup was more expressive, 1055 00:54:10,958 --> 00:54:14,125 more pliable than many of the other characters. 1056 00:54:14,166 --> 00:54:17,875 And so, I asked my makeup artist, Jimmy Phillips, 1057 00:54:17,916 --> 00:54:21,583 how it was that Roddy could do this little nose wiggle thing 1058 00:54:21,625 --> 00:54:23,375 that was unique. 1059 00:54:23,416 --> 00:54:24,833 And he said, "Well, that's a secret." 1060 00:54:24,875 --> 00:54:27,708 And I said, "I know, but I'm his son. 1061 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:30,458 I should be able to do the same thing that he does." 1062 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:34,750 And he said, "Well, if you can get Roddy to tell you the story of how that gets done, 1063 00:54:34,791 --> 00:54:39,166 I'll do it for you." And so, I was brand new in the industry, 1064 00:54:39,208 --> 00:54:41,000 a little intimidated, but I went to Roddy 1065 00:54:41,041 --> 00:54:44,625 and said, "Look, Mr. McDowall, I'm playing your son. 1066 00:54:44,666 --> 00:54:47,583 I should have a characteristic similar to yours. 1067 00:54:47,625 --> 00:54:49,708 Would you agree?" And he said, "Yeah, what do you got?" 1068 00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:51,291 I said, "How do you do the nose thing?" 1069 00:54:51,333 --> 00:54:55,125 And he said, "Tell Jimmy to hollow out the inside 1070 00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:58,333 of the appliance." The following day, I got on a scene, 1071 00:54:58,375 --> 00:55:00,666 he was in the shot, and I did the little nose wiggle, 1072 00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:03,625 and it was well-received. 1073 00:55:05,416 --> 00:55:08,916 They still had other ideas for how to expand the Apes universe, 1074 00:55:08,958 --> 00:55:12,166 and they brought Planet of the Apesto television. 1075 00:55:12,208 --> 00:55:16,083 When they did that, they, first of all, managed the biggest crew, 1076 00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:19,041 which was to keep Roddy McDowall as part of the cast, 1077 00:55:19,083 --> 00:55:20,958 as a brand new character, Galen, 1078 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,500 a chimpanzee on the run 1079 00:55:22,541 --> 00:55:25,708 because he helped two marooned astronauts. 1080 00:55:26,875 --> 00:55:28,708 [Dan] I was involved in the TV series 1081 00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:32,916 and, uh, we tried to adhere, within budget constraints, 1082 00:55:32,958 --> 00:55:35,416 to what was done in the original pictures. 1083 00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:38,625 In fact, we probably had to do, on a percentage basis, 1084 00:55:38,666 --> 00:55:40,458 more appliances than masks 1085 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,541 because of the TV medium being so close. 1086 00:55:44,541 --> 00:55:46,833 Danny Striepeke called me up... 1087 00:55:48,416 --> 00:55:51,250 and he said, uh, "Fred, I want you to do the Planet of the Apes. 1088 00:55:51,291 --> 00:55:52,958 We're doing a TV series." 1089 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,583 I says, "Really?" 1090 00:55:54,625 --> 00:55:56,708 He says, "Yeah, you're going to do Roddy." 1091 00:55:56,750 --> 00:56:00,500 I started working on Roddy and it was just heaven on earth. 1092 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,666 [Darrell] Roddy McDowall, when they called a wrap, 1093 00:56:04,708 --> 00:56:07,583 he would say, "Are you sure?" 1094 00:56:07,625 --> 00:56:09,000 They'd say, "Yes, that's a wrap," 1095 00:56:09,041 --> 00:56:11,416 and he would go. [mimicking tearing] 1096 00:56:12,375 --> 00:56:14,750 And tear the whole thing off in one piece. 1097 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,958 The physical challenges of production, 1098 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000 I think, just was impossible to do on a weekly basis. 1099 00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:27,583 [narrator] Despite its popularity, thePlanet of the Apes TV series 1100 00:56:27,625 --> 00:56:30,333 is canceled after just one season. 1101 00:56:30,375 --> 00:56:34,625 An animated series follows but also only lasts a year. 1102 00:56:34,666 --> 00:56:37,833 This would be the last Apes project produced by Fox 1103 00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:39,958 for over 25 years. 1104 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,166 [TV static] 1105 00:56:44,041 --> 00:56:46,291 [Tom] John called me and asked me if I wanted 1106 00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:48,625 to, uh, go into partnership with him 1107 00:56:48,666 --> 00:56:51,625 to open the very first independent makeup studio. 1108 00:56:51,666 --> 00:56:54,500 He said I could also bring my brother with me. 1109 00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:57,833 We were going to be doing motion picture and television work, 1110 00:56:57,875 --> 00:56:59,750 but that was only our cover. 1111 00:56:59,791 --> 00:57:05,666 It was our job to help the CIA create quick change disguises. 1112 00:57:06,875 --> 00:57:10,458 John stayed with them all the way up till the 1980s. 1113 00:57:11,666 --> 00:57:15,375 We all knew that he was working on something secretive. 1114 00:57:15,416 --> 00:57:17,500 [tense music] 1115 00:57:17,541 --> 00:57:19,458 [crowd shouting] 1116 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:25,791 There were six people when the Iranian embassy was overrun 1117 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:27,416 that had gotten away. 1118 00:57:29,208 --> 00:57:33,083 John Chambers and Bob Sidell created a fake movie 1119 00:57:33,125 --> 00:57:35,041 just to get these people out of Iran. 1120 00:57:37,208 --> 00:57:39,125 [narrator] The details of John Chambers and the CIA's involvement in 1121 00:57:39,166 --> 00:57:43,541 the Canadian caper remained classified until 1997. 1122 00:57:43,583 --> 00:57:46,041 The full extent of their mission wouldn't be revealed 1123 00:57:46,083 --> 00:57:50,583 until 2012, whenArgo premiered to critical acclaim, 1124 00:57:50,625 --> 00:57:53,000 winning the Academy Award for Best Picture. 1125 00:57:53,041 --> 00:57:55,000 [audience applauds] 1126 00:57:58,291 --> 00:58:00,541 [Tom] John, one day, came in and he was real grumpy, 1127 00:58:00,583 --> 00:58:02,833 and he looked torn, he looked beaten, 1128 00:58:02,875 --> 00:58:05,333 he looked downtrodden. I said, "What's wrong?" 1129 00:58:05,375 --> 00:58:09,541 And he said, "Well, I've been diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease, 1130 00:58:09,583 --> 00:58:12,875 which is lymphoma or cancer, blood cancer, 1131 00:58:12,916 --> 00:58:15,541 and I need you guys to buy, buy me out." 1132 00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,583 Well, my brother and I had to scrape every dollar we had 1133 00:58:19,625 --> 00:58:20,750 to be able to buy him out. 1134 00:58:22,416 --> 00:58:26,250 We found out later that the whole Hodgkin's Disease 1135 00:58:26,291 --> 00:58:27,791 was something he just made up 1136 00:58:27,833 --> 00:58:29,375 because he wanted us to buy him out. 1137 00:58:32,875 --> 00:58:34,541 [curious music] 1138 00:58:37,125 --> 00:58:40,500 [narrator] The first film produced after Chambers' exit wasPhantom of the Paradise. 1139 00:58:40,541 --> 00:58:45,500 Despite having no involvement, John Chambers was given full credit for the production 1140 00:58:45,541 --> 00:58:48,583 due to his status as an Academy Award winner. 1141 00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,250 After we bought John Chambers out, 1142 00:58:50,291 --> 00:58:51,625 it was tough finding work. 1143 00:58:51,666 --> 00:58:53,708 We didn't have any contacts. 1144 00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:55,708 And my brother and I really couldn't afford 1145 00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:58,083 to keep two families going on what we were making, 1146 00:58:58,125 --> 00:59:02,291 so we decided to flip a coin to see who was going to take over the studio. 1147 00:59:02,333 --> 00:59:04,000 I won. 1148 00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:05,583 And I did several things 1149 00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:07,291 and started getting the reputation, 1150 00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:08,791 things started to work real well. 1151 00:59:08,833 --> 00:59:11,041 And then John Chambers calls me to ask me 1152 00:59:11,083 --> 00:59:13,291 if I would like to, uh, work with him 1153 00:59:13,333 --> 00:59:15,583 on The Island of Dr. Moreau. 1154 00:59:15,625 --> 00:59:17,708 You know, his ego got out of check, 1155 00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:19,916 he was overbearing, harassing people. 1156 00:59:19,958 --> 00:59:22,958 He was really miserable, it was tough on everybody. 1157 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,000 Even Danny Striepeke, who had been his friend since NBC, 1158 00:59:26,041 --> 00:59:28,291 and he didn't speak to him again. 1159 00:59:28,333 --> 00:59:30,500 And I didn't speak to him for years. 1160 00:59:32,375 --> 00:59:34,791 [narrator] After changing the name to Burman Studios, 1161 00:59:34,833 --> 00:59:36,958 Tom and his team began working 1162 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,416 on some of the greatest films of the 1970s and 80s. 1163 00:59:41,333 --> 00:59:45,208 It's guys like Tommy who had the creative juices 1164 00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:49,708 in their hands and in their brains that create these pieces. 1165 00:59:51,416 --> 00:59:55,125 We were in survival, and we just did anything and everything we could. 1166 00:59:55,166 --> 00:59:57,708 Anything that came past us, we grabbed onto it. 1167 00:59:58,750 --> 01:00:01,625 [Michael] Tommy's a talent, he comes from a talented family. 1168 01:00:01,666 --> 01:00:03,083 His brother, his dad. 1169 01:00:03,125 --> 01:00:04,666 You always expected quality. 1170 01:00:06,791 --> 01:00:09,958 [narrator] By the late 1970s, Burman Studios was one of the top names 1171 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,708 in the makeup business. At this point, Tom Burman had partnered 1172 01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:16,708 with makeup effects artist, Stan Winston. 1173 01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:18,291 We just hit it off right on day one. 1174 01:00:18,333 --> 01:00:19,958 There was something about Stan 1175 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,208 that was tremendously inspiring. 1176 01:00:23,458 --> 01:00:26,125 [Matt] Tom Burman and my father, Stan Winston, 1177 01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:29,083 were kindred spirits. 1178 01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:35,708 Two incredibly creative, incredibly goofy individuals 1179 01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:38,708 who happened to love monsters and monster makeup. 1180 01:00:40,333 --> 01:00:44,833 [Tom] By the end of the 1970s, I decided to push for a title I had been using 1181 01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:49,000 called special makeup effects. Nobody else used it, the union didn't like it, 1182 01:00:49,041 --> 01:00:53,208 John Chambers didn't like it, but I didn't find anything that described what I did 1183 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:54,875 any better than that title. 1184 01:00:54,916 --> 01:00:57,583 So I started using the title, 1185 01:00:57,625 --> 01:01:00,500 along with Stan Winston was the only other one who backed me up. 1186 01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:08,125 I also pushed really hard to create a category for makeup at the Academy 1187 01:01:08,166 --> 01:01:12,000 because they were very resistant, but you could see everywhere that makeup was, 1188 01:01:12,041 --> 01:01:14,875 uh, was very prominent in so many films. 1189 01:01:14,916 --> 01:01:17,125 [audience applauds] 1190 01:01:19,166 --> 01:01:21,166 [narrator] The first annual Academy Award for Makeup 1191 01:01:21,208 --> 01:01:23,750 was presented in 1982. 1192 01:01:23,791 --> 01:01:26,708 Because of the importance ofPlanet of the Apes on the art form, 1193 01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:29,083 Kim Hunter was chosen to present the award 1194 01:01:29,125 --> 01:01:31,916 with horror icon, Vincent Price. 1195 01:01:31,958 --> 01:01:33,625 The winner is Rick Baker 1196 01:01:33,666 --> 01:01:35,416 for An American Werewolf in London. 1197 01:01:35,458 --> 01:01:38,791 [audience applauds] 1198 01:01:38,833 --> 01:01:41,208 In California there were only three guys. 1199 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:45,000 I mean, there was Rick Baker, Stan Winston, and Tom Burman. 1200 01:01:45,041 --> 01:01:48,291 And they were doing everything and innovating. 1201 01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:49,958 [Mike] Tom is a mainstay of our industry. 1202 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,125 He is a creative force that everybody recognizes, 1203 01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:54,916 everybody knows the Burman name. 1204 01:01:54,958 --> 01:01:57,916 He is one of the main people in our industry 1205 01:01:57,958 --> 01:02:00,375 who gives us material to look at 1206 01:02:00,416 --> 01:02:02,166 and to draw inspiration from. 1207 01:02:03,958 --> 01:02:06,541 [Tom] One of my favorite directors to work for was Richard Donner. 1208 01:02:06,583 --> 01:02:10,750 We did, um, Goonies,we did Scrooged, Lethal Weapon. 1209 01:02:11,666 --> 01:02:13,208 [Richard] Making a movie is a bitch. 1210 01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:15,750 You run into all kinds of trials and tribulations. 1211 01:02:15,791 --> 01:02:20,000 Forgetting all that, they delivered the best, the Burmans. 1212 01:02:20,041 --> 01:02:21,750 They were just a pleasure to be with. 1213 01:02:23,541 --> 01:02:26,583 Going into the 80s were some really interesting years 1214 01:02:26,625 --> 01:02:30,125 and that's when I met you, 1980. 1215 01:02:30,166 --> 01:02:32,916 And we did, um, Cat People together, remember? 1216 01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:35,250 I do remember and it was very magical. 1217 01:02:35,291 --> 01:02:38,041 And you, you allowed me the freedom 1218 01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:41,541 to help you design Nastassia Kinski's transformation, 1219 01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:44,208 and our journey began. 1220 01:02:44,250 --> 01:02:46,666 Yeah, I wanted a feminine approach, 1221 01:02:46,708 --> 01:02:48,583 not a real masculine heavy approach. 1222 01:02:48,625 --> 01:02:52,541 That's why I was delighted to have you there and we've, um-- 1223 01:02:52,583 --> 01:02:54,000 We've been collaborating ever since. 1224 01:02:54,041 --> 01:02:55,750 Yeah, we've been collaborating ever since. 1225 01:02:55,791 --> 01:02:57,833 You always know where we're going 1226 01:02:57,875 --> 01:03:00,708 -and I'm a detail fanatic, so. -You are, you are. 1227 01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:04,375 She loves to get those little tiny edges, and the little parts and pieces. 1228 01:03:04,416 --> 01:03:09,250 And, uh, you know, we do our dance around somebody as we-- 1229 01:03:09,291 --> 01:03:11,541 -It's very magical because we just sort of-- -Yeah. 1230 01:03:11,583 --> 01:03:12,833 When an actor's in our chair, 1231 01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:14,666 we just sort of know how we work. 1232 01:03:14,708 --> 01:03:17,166 And, you know, you always know where we're going 1233 01:03:17,208 --> 01:03:19,875 and then I am obsessive about making sure 1234 01:03:19,916 --> 01:03:21,625 all the details are perfect. 1235 01:03:21,666 --> 01:03:27,625 And it's a blissful marriage, partnership, and journey. 1236 01:03:27,666 --> 01:03:29,750 It's been, been great. 1237 01:03:29,791 --> 01:03:31,333 I'm giving you a kiss. 1238 01:03:31,375 --> 01:03:32,375 [lips smacking] 1239 01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:37,250 [narrator] In 1988, on the 20th anniversary 1240 01:03:37,291 --> 01:03:42,083 of its original release, Fox began discussing a remake ofPlanet of the Apes. 1241 01:03:42,125 --> 01:03:45,708 But the film would spend over a decade in development hell 1242 01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:48,708 before director, Tim Burton, joined the project. 1243 01:03:48,750 --> 01:03:50,333 I need to take a sabbatical, 1244 01:03:50,375 --> 01:03:51,666 I need to get away for a while. 1245 01:03:52,750 --> 01:03:55,000 I get a call from Tim Burton 1246 01:03:55,041 --> 01:03:57,125 saying, "I'm going to do a Planet of the Apesremake, 1247 01:03:57,166 --> 01:03:58,541 I'd like to talk to you about doing it." 1248 01:03:58,583 --> 01:04:01,625 And I was like, "Oh, shit." You know? 1249 01:04:01,666 --> 01:04:03,625 [narrator] Rick Baker and Stan Winston vied 1250 01:04:03,666 --> 01:04:07,208 for the highly coveted position of makeup designer. 1251 01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:14,250 My dad wanted so badly to put his stamp on the franchise. 1252 01:04:14,291 --> 01:04:17,166 And he lobbied for it hard, 1253 01:04:17,208 --> 01:04:19,333 and he and I got our life cast done, 1254 01:04:19,375 --> 01:04:23,083 and they sculpted these incredible ape makeups. 1255 01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:27,083 Dad was an elderly chimp, I was a young chimp. 1256 01:04:28,833 --> 01:04:31,333 It was a dream for me to be able to perform with my dad, 1257 01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:33,375 but I know it was a dream for him 1258 01:04:33,416 --> 01:04:36,541 because he came out to Los Angeles to be an actor. 1259 01:04:36,583 --> 01:04:38,791 And here was his opportunity to act again. 1260 01:04:39,791 --> 01:04:41,416 [narrator] Despite Stan Winston's effort, 1261 01:04:41,458 --> 01:04:44,083 Rick Baker was selected to create makeups 1262 01:04:44,125 --> 01:04:47,333 for this new vision of Planet of the Apes. 1263 01:04:47,375 --> 01:04:49,375 I was very pleased with the makeups that we did, 1264 01:04:49,416 --> 01:04:51,875 and was pleased at the amount of makeups that we did, 1265 01:04:51,916 --> 01:04:53,750 and the quality of them. 1266 01:04:53,791 --> 01:04:55,291 [dramatic music] 1267 01:04:55,333 --> 01:04:57,458 [narrator] Released in 2001, 1268 01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:00,208 Planet of the Apes opened to mixed reviews. 1269 01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:02,208 And despite being a commercial success, 1270 01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:04,083 it was unable to match the original. 1271 01:05:06,458 --> 01:05:08,875 The big films started going more to the larger studios 1272 01:05:08,916 --> 01:05:12,541 like Stan Winston's, or Rick Baker's, or Greg Cannom's. 1273 01:05:12,583 --> 01:05:16,791 And, uh, Barry and I started to do a segue into television. 1274 01:05:16,833 --> 01:05:18,708 We, we didn't want to leave home 1275 01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:22,083 because we had a brand new baby, Max, 1276 01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:24,208 and, um, it was perfect for us. 1277 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:26,875 We did things like The Tracey Ullman Showwhere 1278 01:05:26,916 --> 01:05:29,791 we only had to work one day a week, we could prep all week. 1279 01:05:29,833 --> 01:05:32,291 And we did things like Chicago Hope, 1280 01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:36,208 and we did the pilot for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, CSI. 1281 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:39,458 And we eventually wound up doing Nip/Tuck, 1282 01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:41,291 and we decided at that time, 1283 01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:45,125 we wanted to bring motion picture quality to television. 1284 01:05:45,166 --> 01:05:49,041 Greer Shephard, Ryan Murphy's producer, came to us 1285 01:05:49,083 --> 01:05:52,625 and said that the studio greenlit Nip/Tuck 1286 01:05:52,666 --> 01:05:54,083 because of the work we did. 1287 01:05:55,208 --> 01:05:57,083 There's always a range of people 1288 01:05:57,125 --> 01:05:59,666 that can make something delicate or expressive. 1289 01:06:00,583 --> 01:06:06,000 You know, uh, and I think that, uh, Tom could run the gamut 1290 01:06:06,041 --> 01:06:09,500 and make something that was so naturalistic 1291 01:06:09,541 --> 01:06:11,916 that nobody knows it's makeup. 1292 01:06:12,833 --> 01:06:15,291 I feel that Tom took a, a different approach 1293 01:06:15,333 --> 01:06:18,000 to a lot of things than other makeup artists would. 1294 01:06:19,083 --> 01:06:21,958 [Ve] They did so many fantastic things for TV 1295 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,375 and I'm sure it was like, you know, hellacious, 1296 01:06:24,416 --> 01:06:26,708 because TV has such quick turnaround. 1297 01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:31,750 So, he really made it possible for that to happen on TV. 1298 01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:34,375 The Burmans did an amazing job. 1299 01:06:34,416 --> 01:06:38,333 I think that really laid the way for a lot of shows. 1300 01:06:41,666 --> 01:06:45,250 [narrator] Throughout his career, Tom Burman has been not only an inspiration 1301 01:06:45,291 --> 01:06:48,125 but also a mentor to makeup artists. 1302 01:06:48,166 --> 01:06:52,458 I'd been looking for someone to, um, teach what I knew. 1303 01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:53,916 I mean, it's not like we didn't have people 1304 01:06:53,958 --> 01:06:55,625 through the years, a lot of people. 1305 01:06:55,666 --> 01:06:59,583 Vince was insatiable and he wanted to learn everything. 1306 01:07:02,583 --> 01:07:04,416 I decided to retire. 1307 01:07:05,708 --> 01:07:08,125 Vincent came here at that time. 1308 01:07:08,166 --> 01:07:11,000 It was easy just to hand it over to him. 1309 01:07:11,041 --> 01:07:13,625 [Vincent] The day that Burman Studios became B2FX was, 1310 01:07:13,666 --> 01:07:15,500 it was kind of an emotional day for me, 1311 01:07:15,541 --> 01:07:17,958 because I joke and I often say 1312 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,791 that it was almost like moving back into your parents' house 1313 01:07:19,833 --> 01:07:21,375 after you moved out. 1314 01:07:21,416 --> 01:07:24,916 I've always wanted to open up my own studio. 1315 01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:28,041 Taking these steps into making that happen 1316 01:07:28,083 --> 01:07:32,625 just came full circle into me renting the space and being here. 1317 01:07:32,666 --> 01:07:36,250 It was, it was... it was such an amazing feeling. 1318 01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,208 [narrator] Despite makeup finding a place 1319 01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:40,958 in the hearts of a new generation of artists, 1320 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,875 the industry began to shift towards digital effects. 1321 01:07:44,916 --> 01:07:47,750 Ever since I can remember, there are these naysayers 1322 01:07:47,791 --> 01:07:50,500 about the future of the motion picture business, 1323 01:07:50,541 --> 01:07:53,791 especially makeup because of the digital era. 1324 01:07:53,833 --> 01:07:55,750 And, uh, I don't see it. 1325 01:07:55,791 --> 01:07:58,041 I see makeup's just going to keep growing 1326 01:07:58,083 --> 01:08:00,000 and it's going to keep changing. 1327 01:08:00,041 --> 01:08:02,416 But there's a lot of fear around that. 1328 01:08:02,458 --> 01:08:07,791 I said, "You know, eventually they're not going to need makeup artists." 1329 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:10,541 He says, "What do you mean? Oh, you're full of crap." 1330 01:08:10,583 --> 01:08:12,791 I think they're going to go CGI route. 1331 01:08:12,833 --> 01:08:15,250 I see, basically the end... 1332 01:08:16,541 --> 01:08:18,625 of makeup as we know it today. 1333 01:08:20,833 --> 01:08:25,041 [narrator] Bolstered by the success of digital studios, such as Weta and ILM, 1334 01:08:25,083 --> 01:08:30,041 Fox greenlights a new Planet of the Apes film. This time, it's a reboot. 1335 01:08:30,083 --> 01:08:33,666 The new Planet of the Apes, what we did is that we made all the apes digital this time. 1336 01:08:33,708 --> 01:08:36,958 And, you know, one of the funny things is that when we were doing the first one, 1337 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,125 a lot of my friends from Los Angeles, you know, heard that we were gonna be doing it 1338 01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:43,583 and he said, "Oh, fantastic. You're finally gonna get to work on a Planet of the Apesfilm. 1339 01:08:43,625 --> 01:08:46,500 So, what kind of prosthetics are you gonna use and everything?" 1340 01:08:46,541 --> 01:08:50,541 I thought, "Actually, no prosthetics this time. It's all going to be digital." 1341 01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,416 [Michael] But it's a completely different approach, 1342 01:08:53,458 --> 01:08:56,333 completely different, really, type of film. 1343 01:08:57,416 --> 01:09:00,291 [Rick] I wanted to hate the Planet of the Apes 1344 01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:02,625 that they did when they did it with all computers, 1345 01:09:02,666 --> 01:09:04,875 but I was actually pretty blown away by what they did. 1346 01:09:05,916 --> 01:09:08,625 [narrator] By 2018, three, all digital 1347 01:09:08,666 --> 01:09:11,000 Planet of the Apes films had been released 1348 01:09:11,041 --> 01:09:14,583 and grossed over $2 billion at the box office. 1349 01:09:14,625 --> 01:09:18,958 Entertainment is evolving faster than we can imagine. 1350 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,625 And digital technology is the vein 1351 01:09:20,666 --> 01:09:23,500 through which that life blood is going to flow. 1352 01:09:23,541 --> 01:09:25,625 There's no-- We can bang our heads against the wall 1353 01:09:25,666 --> 01:09:27,541 and say, "No, there'll always be prosthetic makeups. 1354 01:09:27,583 --> 01:09:29,250 We know it's better to blend the two." 1355 01:09:29,291 --> 01:09:31,708 We can bang our heads and we can do whatever we want, 1356 01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:33,083 but it's coming. 1357 01:09:33,125 --> 01:09:35,000 [Greg] I love CGI, I'm all for it. 1358 01:09:35,041 --> 01:09:37,291 If I do an age makeup, trying to do it every day, 1359 01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:39,750 you're going to make mistakes, little things. 1360 01:09:39,791 --> 01:09:44,083 I think a lot of people are so afraid of CGI, and things taking over, 1361 01:09:44,125 --> 01:09:46,208 and the makeup effects world being this dying art form 1362 01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:48,541 that will, you know, just go down. 1363 01:09:48,583 --> 01:09:50,083 I just don't see any of that happening. 1364 01:09:50,125 --> 01:09:52,541 I see it as busy as it has ever been right now. 1365 01:09:54,041 --> 01:09:56,833 [Tom] Artists like Vincent are our future 1366 01:09:56,875 --> 01:09:59,458 because he appreciates the past. 1367 01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:03,916 Most makeup artists that I know, they always refer back to the originals, the classics, 1368 01:10:03,958 --> 01:10:06,000 which Planet of the Apesof course is. 1369 01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,166 Tom, this is the first time we've talked in 48 years. 1370 01:10:11,208 --> 01:10:13,541 -Wow. -And I'm still mad at you. 1371 01:10:13,583 --> 01:10:16,333 Yeah, should be, you should be. 1372 01:10:16,375 --> 01:10:18,333 -Yeah, it seems like yesterday. -[Lou] I know. 1373 01:10:18,375 --> 01:10:20,541 [Tom] Part of me, just seems like I can go back 1374 01:10:20,583 --> 01:10:23,875 and visit that moment, and get all excited all over again. 1375 01:10:26,041 --> 01:10:28,541 [Vincent] When the conversation first came up of putting Lou Wagner 1376 01:10:28,583 --> 01:10:31,000 back into a Planet of the Apeslook, 1377 01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:33,375 that was a very exciting phone call. 1378 01:10:37,625 --> 01:10:39,250 It's a once in a lifetime opportunity 1379 01:10:39,291 --> 01:10:42,333 to be able to take somebody from that film, 1380 01:10:42,375 --> 01:10:46,583 this many years later, and transform him into a, 1381 01:10:46,625 --> 01:10:49,083 what really got me, is into his character now. 1382 01:10:49,125 --> 01:10:52,208 [dramatic music] 1383 01:12:13,958 --> 01:12:19,291 Seeing Lou in his old age ape makeup after 50 years 1384 01:12:19,333 --> 01:12:23,000 brought back a lot of memories of John and our falling out. 1385 01:12:23,875 --> 01:12:27,833 Those years when I tried to contact him and couldn't, 1386 01:12:27,875 --> 01:12:30,000 didn't know where he was. 1387 01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:31,541 And then I heard he had a stroke 1388 01:12:31,583 --> 01:12:33,875 and he was in the Motion Picture Home. 1389 01:12:33,916 --> 01:12:36,583 I was fortunate to meet John Chambers. 1390 01:12:36,625 --> 01:12:40,416 Kind of felt like he was in the witness relocation program, from my perspective, 1391 01:12:40,458 --> 01:12:43,708 for a while. It was like he disappeared, and he was completely off the radar. 1392 01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:47,750 And then I heard that he was at the Motion Picture Home. 1393 01:12:47,791 --> 01:12:49,708 [Scott] I said, "What if we do a party for John?" 1394 01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:53,333 Because it's been, at that time, 30 years 1395 01:12:53,375 --> 01:12:54,916 since he worked on Planet of the Apes. 1396 01:12:54,958 --> 01:12:56,625 And I'll bring in people he worked with, 1397 01:12:56,666 --> 01:12:59,666 but he'll also meet people he's never met before, 1398 01:12:59,708 --> 01:13:04,083 people who were influenced by what he did in those movies in terms of their makeup. 1399 01:13:05,833 --> 01:13:07,875 [crowd] Surprise! 1400 01:13:07,916 --> 01:13:10,708 -[crowd applauds] -[John Chambers laughing] 1401 01:13:19,458 --> 01:13:26,250 -Oh boy. When an Irishman hasn't got words to say anything... -[crowd laughs] 1402 01:13:26,291 --> 01:13:29,750 [Scott] And it just so happened that it was the day before his 75th birthday. 1403 01:13:29,791 --> 01:13:32,375 โ™ช Happy birthday to you 1404 01:13:32,416 --> 01:13:35,458 [Scott] He was pretty impressed that we had all those people there, 1405 01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:36,958 because it was a lot of his friends, 1406 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,083 and colleagues, and peers. 1407 01:13:39,125 --> 01:13:42,958 You sparked the imagination of an army of kids 1408 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,666 who are now the eminent and renowned of your field. 1409 01:13:48,125 --> 01:13:51,625 I'm afraid that you have to settle for the reality 1410 01:13:51,666 --> 01:13:53,875 that you are an icon. 1411 01:13:53,916 --> 01:13:56,708 [all applauding] 1412 01:13:56,750 --> 01:14:00,875 Dr. Zira, I believe Chambers would like a kiss. 1413 01:14:00,916 --> 01:14:03,291 [all laughing] 1414 01:14:03,333 --> 01:14:06,083 [all applauding] 1415 01:14:06,125 --> 01:14:09,083 [Michael] You probably couldn't predict this, but there was a great thing that happened 1416 01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:11,708 for our industry that day, is there were a lot of folks 1417 01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:14,750 who hadn't seen each other in a long time. 1418 01:14:14,791 --> 01:14:19,708 And maybe some old grudges were left behind that day. 1419 01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:21,333 I think it was a good healing time, 1420 01:14:21,375 --> 01:14:22,500 I think, for the industry. 1421 01:14:24,416 --> 01:14:26,333 [calm music] 1422 01:14:34,291 --> 01:14:36,083 [Tom] After Scott Essman called me 1423 01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:39,583 and told me that they were throwing a 75th birthday party 1424 01:14:39,625 --> 01:14:43,708 for John Chambers, I was a little ambivalent about going 1425 01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:46,291 because I had a lot of unfinished business with John. 1426 01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:48,166 We had kind of separated in a way 1427 01:14:48,208 --> 01:14:50,625 that I hadn't spoken to him for years. 1428 01:14:50,666 --> 01:14:54,208 I had tried to get in touch with him many times. 1429 01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:55,541 I never got an answer. 1430 01:14:55,583 --> 01:14:57,666 So, I went. 1431 01:14:58,708 --> 01:15:01,541 But to see him in a wheelchair... 1432 01:15:03,791 --> 01:15:05,583 was pretty moving for me. 1433 01:15:05,625 --> 01:15:10,083 All of a sudden... I, I saw him in a whole other light. 1434 01:15:10,125 --> 01:15:15,291 He didn't have that bombastic presence any longer. 1435 01:15:15,333 --> 01:15:17,791 You, you could see that he'd had a stroke, 1436 01:15:17,833 --> 01:15:21,125 and you could see that one side of him was somewhat paralyzed. 1437 01:15:21,166 --> 01:15:25,666 And it was, um... I kind of stayed in the back, 1438 01:15:25,708 --> 01:15:29,041 and watched everybody as, as they congratulated him, 1439 01:15:29,083 --> 01:15:31,875 and people filed by and they shook his hand, 1440 01:15:31,916 --> 01:15:34,458 and they got their picture taken with him. 1441 01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:35,541 And, uh... 1442 01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:42,500 It was-- after, after a while, he, he looked over and he saw me. 1443 01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:45,125 And, uh... 1444 01:15:48,291 --> 01:15:49,333 he... 1445 01:15:50,625 --> 01:15:52,458 he called me to his side. 1446 01:15:54,041 --> 01:15:54,916 And... 1447 01:15:56,125 --> 01:15:57,083 And he said... 1448 01:15:58,375 --> 01:16:00,416 "You're the one I'm most proud of, Tommy." 1449 01:16:04,666 --> 01:16:05,541 And... 1450 01:16:06,708 --> 01:16:09,041 and we looked into each other's eyes 1451 01:16:09,083 --> 01:16:11,250 and both of us had tears. 1452 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,000 And it was over. 1453 01:16:18,583 --> 01:16:23,916 The anguish, the past... it was gone, finished. 1454 01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:30,791 [narrator] John Chambers died in August of 2001, 1455 01:16:30,833 --> 01:16:32,333 at the age of 78. 1456 01:16:34,750 --> 01:16:35,916 Johnny. Hm. 1457 01:16:36,791 --> 01:16:38,916 [sniffling] 1458 01:16:47,583 --> 01:16:48,958 [whispers] Just a minute. 1459 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,416 I loved him like a brother. 1460 01:16:53,208 --> 01:16:55,000 And at times, I got so damn mad at him, 1461 01:16:55,041 --> 01:16:56,250 I could've killed him. 1462 01:16:57,666 --> 01:16:59,166 [Tom] He was like a father to me. 1463 01:17:00,958 --> 01:17:04,291 He was my teacher, he taught me about life, he taught me about people, 1464 01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:09,458 he taught me the skills that I needed, the entrepreneurial skills I needed to be on my own. 1465 01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,875 He made a huge difference in my world. 1466 01:17:14,291 --> 01:17:16,750 [light jazzy music] 1467 01:17:37,291 --> 01:17:38,625 [horn honking] 1468 01:17:38,666 --> 01:17:40,583 [Tom] The one thing we never expected 1469 01:17:40,625 --> 01:17:42,666 when we were working on Planet of the Apes 1470 01:17:42,708 --> 01:17:44,541 was the huge fanbase. 1471 01:17:44,583 --> 01:17:47,041 -[uplifting music] -Hello! 1472 01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:49,500 I'm still shocked and surprised 1473 01:17:49,541 --> 01:17:54,500 that there are such avid... fans. 1474 01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:59,083 If you're a fan of Planet of the Apes, 1475 01:17:59,125 --> 01:18:02,041 you're a dyed in the wool fan. 1476 01:18:02,083 --> 01:18:05,416 [Scott] If you go to conventions like Monsterpalooza, 1477 01:18:05,458 --> 01:18:07,625 you always see Planet of the Apescharacters. 1478 01:18:07,666 --> 01:18:09,541 And the fans don't spare any expense. 1479 01:18:09,583 --> 01:18:12,416 They have the shoes with the, the ape paw print, 1480 01:18:12,458 --> 01:18:15,208 and they have the, the full head to toe costume, 1481 01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:17,250 mostly they make themselves. 1482 01:18:17,291 --> 01:18:19,750 I've been a fan ever since I was a child. 1483 01:18:19,791 --> 01:18:24,375 When I hear the opening music, it's just like I'm, you know, 11 years old again. 1484 01:18:24,416 --> 01:18:29,708 We pretty much did everything ourselves, I mean down to making our own shoes, our own costumes, 1485 01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:31,375 doing our own makeup. 1486 01:18:31,416 --> 01:18:33,666 This is why I love, uh, science fiction 1487 01:18:33,708 --> 01:18:34,916 and horror movies so much. 1488 01:18:34,958 --> 01:18:36,208 It's all Planet of the Apes. 1489 01:18:37,958 --> 01:18:40,500 If the Planet of the Apes franchise didn't have 1490 01:18:40,541 --> 01:18:44,333 an absolutely committed and dedicated fanbase, 1491 01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:48,500 it wouldn't have sustained itself for the 50 years that it has. 1492 01:18:48,541 --> 01:18:52,833 Um, Star Trekhas been around nearly as long, uh, Star Warsfans, 1493 01:18:52,875 --> 01:18:55,750 they're all extremely dedicated 1494 01:18:55,791 --> 01:18:57,875 to that particular franchise. 1495 01:18:57,916 --> 01:19:04,375 And the Apes fans, I find, are enormously... intelligent. 1496 01:19:05,708 --> 01:19:08,875 [narrator] Original memorabilia from thePlanet of the Apes franchise, 1497 01:19:08,916 --> 01:19:11,833 including prosthetics, costumes, and props, 1498 01:19:11,875 --> 01:19:13,875 have become relics among collectors. 1499 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:17,000 [Joe] Collecting film artifacts 1500 01:19:17,041 --> 01:19:19,791 and television artifacts has grown exponentially. 1501 01:19:19,833 --> 01:19:23,666 I've been very fortunate because I've saved a big chunk of the history of Hollywood, right? 1502 01:19:23,708 --> 01:19:26,750 In my career, I've probably handled almost everything 1503 01:19:26,791 --> 01:19:28,500 that survived from Planet of the Apes, 1504 01:19:28,541 --> 01:19:31,125 to whether it's the Lawgiver, the bleeding Lawgiver. 1505 01:19:31,166 --> 01:19:33,875 I've had every costume of every principal actor, 1506 01:19:33,916 --> 01:19:37,166 you know, makeup heads, background apes, prosthetics. 1507 01:19:37,208 --> 01:19:39,583 I don't think there's something we haven't had. 1508 01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:43,083 [solemn music] 1509 01:19:45,083 --> 01:19:48,250 [Alessandro] The 50th anniversary exhibit that we have here on display at 1510 01:19:48,291 --> 01:19:52,791 the School of Cinematic Arts is an attempt to really bring together 1511 01:19:52,833 --> 01:19:56,291 as many facets of the Planet of the Apesuniverse, really, 1512 01:19:56,333 --> 01:20:00,708 as we can, to show and celebrate the original films, 1513 01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:02,541 alongside the amazing achievements 1514 01:20:02,583 --> 01:20:04,041 of the contemporary films. 1515 01:20:10,291 --> 01:20:12,250 [Howard] I think the work that Tom and John did 1516 01:20:12,291 --> 01:20:15,750 on Planet of the Apeswas absolutely a turning point 1517 01:20:15,791 --> 01:20:17,416 in film history. 1518 01:20:22,541 --> 01:20:27,416 When people say they don't have influences, they're lying. 1519 01:20:27,458 --> 01:20:31,000 Because everything you see influences you. 1520 01:20:31,041 --> 01:20:33,958 And I know that I took something from Planet of the Apes. 1521 01:20:34,958 --> 01:20:38,458 It's a very successful tale well-told. 1522 01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:40,291 [dramatic music] 1523 01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:42,291 [Richard] It's that world of fantasy. 1524 01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:46,875 It seems to hold an audience for generations to come. 1525 01:20:49,125 --> 01:20:52,333 [Maurice] If I'm ever asked what some of my favorite projects are, 1526 01:20:52,375 --> 01:20:55,750 I would always come up with the very first one 1527 01:20:55,791 --> 01:20:58,375 that almost everybody in the world knows about. 1528 01:20:58,416 --> 01:21:00,375 It was the original Planet of the Apes. 1529 01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:04,208 [Lou] It was singularly the best film 1530 01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:07,208 I was lucky enough to do. 1531 01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:11,666 It's the proudest I am in my 50 year career. 1532 01:21:13,958 --> 01:21:18,791 I hope that 50 years from now that people will look upon our sequence of films 1533 01:21:18,833 --> 01:21:21,708 with the same amount of respect and... 1534 01:21:23,291 --> 01:21:24,166 nostalgia. 1535 01:21:26,958 --> 01:21:30,750 I'm honored that people love the movies I've worked on, 1536 01:21:30,791 --> 01:21:32,375 and I've worked on hundreds. 1537 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,500 But when I look back, the greatest moment 1538 01:21:36,541 --> 01:21:40,208 in my career was John and I standing 1539 01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:44,166 at that marble top table making apes. 1540 01:21:44,208 --> 01:21:46,791 [dramatic music] 1541 01:21:57,166 --> 01:21:59,958 [uplifting music] 1542 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,166 [solemn music] 1543 01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:37,750 [dramatic music] 123170

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