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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,252 --> 00:00:04,505 (birds tweeting) 3 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:07,299 (crows cackling) 4 00:00:07,591 --> 00:00:08,717 (mysterious suspenseful music) - Whatever walks 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:09,009 --> 00:00:13,222 through Dooney Woods holds its silence like the leaves. 7 00:00:13,514 --> 00:00:15,140 That decay in Dooney woods, 8 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:17,476 a sodden autumn weeps and grieves. 9 00:00:18,894 --> 00:00:20,270 Whatever whispers in the woods 10 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:22,481 is heard by some and some alone. 11 00:00:23,398 --> 00:00:25,192 The rasp of mossy tongue and lips, 12 00:00:25,484 --> 00:00:26,860 the muttering of bark on bone. 13 00:00:28,237 --> 00:00:30,364 Whatever moves within the woods, 14 00:00:30,656 --> 00:00:33,075 it watches with a yellow eye. 15 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:35,118 And whatever hunts within the pines 16 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:37,329 is not of kin to your eye. 17 00:00:38,288 --> 00:00:40,499 Whatever sleeps in Dooney Woods, 18 00:00:40,791 --> 00:00:42,751 you must not meet or catch its stare. 19 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:46,255 And should you travel in Dooney Woods, 20 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:49,007 they pass by swift and best beware. 21 00:00:54,346 --> 00:00:57,015 (wings flapping) 22 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:04,064 ♪ One's for sorrow, two's for joy ♪ 23 00:01:07,276 --> 00:01:12,155 ♪ Three's for a girl and four's for a boy ♪ 24 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:19,997 ♪ Five's for silver, six for gold ♪ 25 00:01:22,207 --> 00:01:27,129 ♪ Seven's for a secret never told ♪ 26 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:33,302 ♪ Oh, the magpie brings us tidings ♪ 27 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:37,889 ♪ Of news both fair and fowl ♪ 28 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:41,643 ♪ She's more cunning than the raven ♪ 29 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:46,648 ♪ More wise than any owl ♪ 30 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:49,943 ♪ For she brings us news of the harvest ♪ 31 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:52,696 ♪ Of the barley we done called ♪ 32 00:01:52,988 --> 00:01:56,408 ♪ And she knows when we'll go to our graves ♪ 33 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:01,455 ♪ And how we shall be born ♪ 34 00:02:02,497 --> 00:02:07,419 ♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee ♪ 35 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:15,135 ♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee ♪ 36 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:21,224 ♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee ♪ 37 00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:28,774 (suspenseful music) 38 00:02:36,448 --> 00:02:41,370 (fire blazes) - Folk horror is based upon 39 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:45,624 the juxtaposition of the prosaic 40 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:50,629 and the uncanny. - It's strange things 41 00:02:50,921 --> 00:02:52,089 found in fields. 42 00:02:56,635 --> 00:02:58,970 Lights flickering in dark woods. 43 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,102 The darkness in children's play. 44 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:11,274 Being lost in ancient landscapes. 45 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:18,281 - [Howard] The devil having a cup of tea with you. 46 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:21,910 - [Kier-la] The power of ritual 47 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,579 and the power of collective storytelling. 48 00:03:26,331 --> 00:03:28,959 - [Jonathan] Ancient wisdoms, if you like, 49 00:03:29,251 --> 00:03:32,129 that have long repressed and forgotten 50 00:03:32,421 --> 00:03:35,382 rise up again, very often to the consternation 51 00:03:35,674 --> 00:03:40,387 of a complacent, modern man. - Someone heading to a village 52 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:43,181 just outside of town and discovering 53 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:46,935 a pagan conspiracy. - It's something 54 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:50,856 like pre-Christian, something that's surviving in spite of 55 00:03:51,148 --> 00:03:55,110 the dominant culture. - Rural locations 56 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:58,989 in Schiller communities, these old superstitious beliefs 57 00:03:59,281 --> 00:04:01,950 that tend to breed around these communities, 58 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:05,495 which are seen as being backward, in the past. 59 00:04:05,787 --> 00:04:07,414 (dramatic music) - You're outside 60 00:04:07,706 --> 00:04:10,041 of modernity, isn't it, it's really all about outsiders 61 00:04:10,333 --> 00:04:11,585 being outside of civilization, 62 00:04:11,877 --> 00:04:14,212 and realizing that you're really a smaller part 63 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:17,966 of this wider cosmos. - That old Freudian chestnut, 64 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:21,928 the returned of the repressed. - It's a way of accessing 65 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:25,766 all those layers of meaning that build up in a landscape, 66 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:28,518 that build up in a culture, and that often build up 67 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:30,479 unofficially. - It's this sort of 68 00:04:30,771 --> 00:04:32,522 illegitimate culture 69 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:35,859 that has sustained historically and culturally, 70 00:04:36,151 --> 00:04:39,321 just through sheer force of will of the people, 71 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,656 you know, the folk. - Folk horror 72 00:04:41,948 --> 00:04:46,745 ultimately ask, what if the old ways were right? 73 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:52,125 (dramatic suspenseful music) 74 00:04:57,631 --> 00:05:01,510 (mystical suspenseful music) - I gained the hilltop, 75 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,220 saw its boulders bare, 76 00:05:03,512 --> 00:05:06,431 some worn by time, some carved by Druid art, 77 00:05:07,349 --> 00:05:09,434 where oft perhaps the painted Briton prayed 78 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:12,729 to Thor and Woden, offering human blood, 79 00:05:13,855 --> 00:05:16,399 when moral darkness filled our blessed isle. 80 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:20,987 - When I first used the term folk horror, 81 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,989 I had no particular notion that the phrase 82 00:05:23,281 --> 00:05:26,368 had ever been used before, though, of course, it had. 83 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:28,703 The first usage of it that we know of 84 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:33,750 is in the April 1936 issue of "The English Journal”, 85 00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:37,170 and it was the American Shakespearean scholar, 86 00:05:37,462 --> 00:05:39,631 Oscar James Campbell, writing a piece 87 00:05:39,923 --> 00:05:42,425 called "The Biographical Approach to Literature” 88 00:05:42,717 --> 00:05:44,553 and he was discussing Wordsworth. 89 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:47,097 And he was discussing the influence on Wordsworth 90 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:50,058 of Bogers' German ballads 91 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:53,979 with their freightage of superstition and folk horror. 92 00:05:54,271 --> 00:05:56,982 So he's relating folk horror right back to the origins 93 00:05:57,274 --> 00:05:58,358 really of gothic literature there. 94 00:05:58,650 --> 00:06:01,027 Having used the term folk horror in 2006, 95 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:04,739 it seemed natural to reuse it a few years later 96 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:06,032 when Mark Gatiss and I 97 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:09,911 were working on his documentary series for BBC Four, 98 00:06:10,203 --> 00:06:11,162 "The History of Horror." 99 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:12,998 In that, there was a second episode 100 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:14,374 called "Home Counties Horror" 101 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:17,377 focusing specifically on British horror films, 102 00:06:17,669 --> 00:06:21,047 and folk horror seemed a natural name, if you like, 103 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:24,801 for a body of films that had a very strong presence 104 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:27,429 in the British horror filmography, if you like. 105 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:30,932 We specifically applied it to what has since been called 106 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,476 "The Unholy Trinity of Folk Horror", 107 00:06:33,768 --> 00:06:35,562 three films, "Witchfinder General", 108 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:38,648 "Blood On Satan's Claw" and "The Wicker Man". 109 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,694 (ominous music) 110 00:06:56,416 --> 00:07:00,629 - In terms of the trinity, what groups them together 111 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:05,592 in some respects is that they're all about belief. 112 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:08,345 "Witchfinder General's" nonsupernatural, 113 00:07:08,637 --> 00:07:11,473 but is obviously about the clash of belief systems 114 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,892 and the corruption of the establishment. 115 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:16,102 (Sara screams) 116 00:07:16,394 --> 00:07:18,313 - I am Matthew Hopkins, witchfinder. 117 00:07:19,481 --> 00:07:20,899 - "Witchfinder General's" a true story, 118 00:07:21,191 --> 00:07:22,567 there was this character Matthew Hopkins 119 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:24,152 who was a psychopath really. 120 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:27,197 And he said, "I can detect witches," 121 00:07:27,489 --> 00:07:30,033 and he just loved to burn people. 122 00:07:30,325 --> 00:07:30,951 (fire crackling) - Bring forth 123 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:34,996 Elizabeth Clarke. (Elizabeth screaming) 124 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:43,213 - It's more or less an inquisition story, 125 00:07:43,505 --> 00:07:45,799 so it's not dealing with this sort of idea 126 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:49,469 of Catholic inquisition as in some of the sort of Spanish 127 00:07:49,761 --> 00:07:52,639 or Italian films, but you have this inquisitor 128 00:07:52,931 --> 00:07:57,394 who is just sort of let loose in the midst of a civil war 129 00:07:57,686 --> 00:08:00,188 and has completely unchecked power. 130 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,023 (Fisherman sobbing) 131 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,567 (Fisherman screams) - This man went round 132 00:08:04,859 --> 00:08:07,237 16th century, 17th century England 133 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:11,116 burning and hanging innocent women in order to make money. 134 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:14,077 And whether he was religious fanatic or not, 135 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:15,870 nobody really knows, I mean, 136 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:18,707 he was certainly a nasty piece of work at the time. 137 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:21,626 (women screaming) 138 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:25,714 - So to me, Michael Reeves is one of those figures 139 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,299 who could be viewed as a new wave 140 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:30,301 of British horror director. 141 00:08:30,593 --> 00:08:33,096 These are people who were responding to things 142 00:08:33,388 --> 00:08:36,641 like Hammer horror and the films released by Amicus 143 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:40,812 and really wanted to push back against this idea 144 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,523 of tightly laced period piece horror 145 00:08:43,815 --> 00:08:45,942 that follows these gothic tropes. 146 00:08:46,234 --> 00:08:48,820 And so you have these younger directors 147 00:08:49,112 --> 00:08:50,905 who really pushed back against that, 148 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:54,117 and I think no one pushed back against it as violently 149 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:57,037 as Michael Reeves. - It's also worth noting 150 00:08:57,328 --> 00:09:00,874 that "Witchfinder General" is the only one of these films 151 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:03,918 that takes place during an active war, 152 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:05,336 the English Civil War, 153 00:09:05,628 --> 00:09:09,466 much as the Vietnam War was going on as well. 154 00:09:09,758 --> 00:09:11,843 - Obviously, all period films are about the time 155 00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:14,387 they're made as well as the time they're set. 156 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,476 The way that that injects Vietnam into a period film 157 00:09:19,768 --> 00:09:20,643 is there in "Witchfinder", 158 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:23,396 and it became kind of de rigueur later on in the '60s. 159 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,065 If you look at something like "The Dirty Dozen" 160 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:26,691 or "The Wild Bunch", you know, 161 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:29,652 there's this kind of Vietnam inflected quality 162 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:32,697 to a lot of the violence. - "Witchfinder General" 163 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:37,118 works almost within the context of nihilistic westerns 164 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,829 that begin to emerge in the 1960s. 165 00:09:40,121 --> 00:09:41,498 - We discovered this halfway through filming, 166 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:42,916 is Mike Reeves suddenly said, "Oh my God, 167 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:44,334 we're making a Western." 168 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:45,960 (upbeat spirited music) And if you look at it, 169 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:49,714 it sort of is, it's horses, it's riding across countryside 170 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:53,343 in search of the bad guy, is a lot of galloping and things. 171 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:55,470 - He anticipates the westerns of the late '60s, 172 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,680 and early '70s, particularly in terms 173 00:09:57,972 --> 00:09:59,099 of the female characters, 174 00:09:59,390 --> 00:10:03,728 that women are there as a sort of pretext for violence, 175 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:05,605 women are there to be fought over. 176 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:08,024 So many of the things that we think of as associated 177 00:10:08,316 --> 00:10:09,901 with Peckinpah, you know, the dubious attitude 178 00:10:10,193 --> 00:10:12,737 towards women, the peculiar notion that children 179 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:15,281 are kind of, you know, inherently unpleasant. 180 00:10:15,573 --> 00:10:17,283 There's a brief scene in "Witchfinder" 181 00:10:17,575 --> 00:10:19,369 where you see children roasting potatoes 182 00:10:19,661 --> 00:10:21,704 in the ashes of a fire where a witch has been burnt. 183 00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:23,540 And that comes before the opening of "The Wild Bunch" 184 00:10:23,832 --> 00:10:26,209 where the kids put the scorpion in with the ants. 185 00:10:26,501 --> 00:10:27,210 (dramatic suspenseful music) 186 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:29,212 So I think that the darkness, particularly the misogyny 187 00:10:29,504 --> 00:10:32,423 of "Witchfinder", find its way into a lot of later westerns. 188 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:36,678 - I think the theme of "Witchfinder General" is revenge. 189 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:40,181 It's charlatanism, it's cruelty. 190 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,934 - (screams) No! 191 00:10:43,226 --> 00:10:48,022 - But it also has the sense of nihilism to I, 192 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:53,444 this bleakness of existence, it's what really fuels 193 00:10:53,736 --> 00:10:56,447 not just Reeves' "Witchfinder General”, 194 00:10:56,739 --> 00:10:58,241 but I think it's also there in Michael Armstrong's 195 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:00,994 "Mark of the Devil", and it's certainly there 196 00:11:01,286 --> 00:11:03,955 in "Witchhammer", the Czech film. 197 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:06,124 - It sort of takes Nietzsche's aphorism, 198 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:07,876 he who fights monsters must take care 199 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:09,502 not to become a monster. 200 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:11,671 The idea that violence infects everything. 201 00:11:11,963 --> 00:11:14,299 (man screaming) (ominous music) 202 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:19,387 (gun fires) - You took him away from me. 203 00:11:21,222 --> 00:11:25,018 You took him from me, you took him from me, 204 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:26,853 you took him from me! 205 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:31,941 (suspenseful music) 206 00:11:44,287 --> 00:11:47,999 - In April, 1970, when Piers Haggard's film 207 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:50,919 "Blood on Satan's Claw" was in production, 208 00:11:51,211 --> 00:11:53,963 a piece appeared in "Kinematograph Weekly", 209 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:56,132 one of Britain's trade papers of the day, 210 00:11:56,424 --> 00:11:59,219 in which Rod Cooper referred to the film 211 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:01,679 as a study in folk horror. 212 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:05,225 (ominous music) 213 00:12:08,436 --> 00:12:11,105 (wings flapping) 214 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:22,450 - I grew up in a countryside, I grew up on a farm, 215 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:25,370 the countryside, and the meaning of the countryside 216 00:12:25,662 --> 00:12:28,873 and the mysterious power or possible danger 217 00:12:29,165 --> 00:12:33,086 or threat of the countryside which I experienced as a child. 218 00:12:33,378 --> 00:12:35,296 - Human remains? - No, sir, 219 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:37,382 a sort of head, a face. 220 00:12:37,674 --> 00:12:39,467 (gentle foreboding music) - Of a fiend? 221 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:46,140 - [Piers] To me, that tries to express that it connects 222 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:49,686 with traditions and poetic traditions, 223 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:52,772 and historical, semi-historical. 224 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:56,526 - Holy Behemoth, father of my life, speak now, come now, 225 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:58,653 rise now from the forest, from the furrows, 226 00:12:58,945 --> 00:13:01,114 from the fields and live. - Folklore, 227 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:04,867 which is rich and scary, and folktales has wonderful, 228 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:09,914 wonderful, strange, eerie stories of good and evil. 229 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,708 - I was then told a few years later that, 230 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,003 "Oh, you're the man who invented the term folk horror." 231 00:13:15,295 --> 00:13:19,215 (gentle ominous music) - Shame on you, child. 232 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:20,174 - "The Blood on Satan's Claw" 233 00:13:20,466 --> 00:13:24,262 seems to be more about this sort of terror 234 00:13:24,554 --> 00:13:25,972 of female sexuality 235 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:29,100 and this terror of kind of a youth population 236 00:13:29,392 --> 00:13:31,936 coming up against the establishment. 237 00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:33,938 (gentle ominous music) 238 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:37,567 - I never want to see you in this school again. 239 00:13:37,859 --> 00:13:42,613 - Chaos or violence or a lack of discipline 240 00:13:42,905 --> 00:13:45,408 in the young is a perennial concern. 241 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,328 And at the time when that was written, you know, 242 00:13:48,619 --> 00:13:50,747 there was worry about gangs and so on. 243 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,375 So it tucks into that. (group cheering) 244 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:58,796 (ominous music) 245 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:06,721 (suspenseful music) 246 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:10,099 - Mary Bell was a scandalous story back in the '60s 247 00:14:10,391 --> 00:14:12,560 in England, a young girl, she was only 11 years old 248 00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:17,315 at the time, who strangled a three-year-old boy 249 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:19,275 and a four-year-old boy with the help 250 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:23,488 of another female friend, it was a pretty horrific story. 251 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:27,367 But I think what made it even worse was that at the trial 252 00:14:27,658 --> 00:14:30,411 she showed no remorse and she just seemed to be 253 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:32,372 the epitome of evil for whatever reason. 254 00:14:32,663 --> 00:14:35,666 And yet, she was still a child herself, 255 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:39,587 that whole case influenced the character of Angel Blake 256 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,297 in "Blood on Satan's Claw." 257 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:47,387 - It came out of some quite dark areas, I think, 258 00:14:47,678 --> 00:14:51,140 and that's why it gets to people, it gets under the skin. 259 00:14:51,432 --> 00:14:53,142 (suspenseful music) 260 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:56,771 (dramatic suspenseful music) - Ah! 261 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,941 (water burbling) - Come. 262 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:03,653 It is time to keep your appointment with the Wicker Man. 263 00:15:03,945 --> 00:15:06,739 (suspenseful music) 264 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:12,161 - I understand you're looking for a missing girl. 265 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:16,249 You suspect foul play? - I suspect murder. 266 00:15:18,126 --> 00:15:20,253 - Horror films as they were done at the time, 267 00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:21,629 were missing something. 268 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:25,883 And we believe that that was basically the old religion, 269 00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:28,386 which had gone underground for many centuries 270 00:15:28,678 --> 00:15:29,762 after Christianity came. 271 00:15:30,054 --> 00:15:33,516 And that it would be fun to try and conceive of a story 272 00:15:33,808 --> 00:15:36,310 where the old religion had reappeared. 273 00:15:36,602 --> 00:15:41,399 - The fact that you have this pocket of pagan belief 274 00:15:42,358 --> 00:15:47,280 that not only persists within the environs of modern life, 275 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:53,953 but is sustained by people who are every day folk 276 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:59,876 is very exciting to me, but it does, of course, 277 00:16:00,168 --> 00:16:04,922 bring us to a very homogeneous, very rarefied 278 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:11,220 cultural domain in which complexities of our migratory world 279 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,183 are unaddressed. - It looks at this idea 280 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,477 of aristocratic corruption. 281 00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:19,854 - And what of the true God, 282 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,939 whose glory, churches, and monasteries have been built 283 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:24,525 on these islands for generations past? 284 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,819 Now, sir, what of him? (suspenseful music) 285 00:16:27,111 --> 00:16:29,155 - Well, he's dead, he can't complain. 286 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:33,826 He had his chance and in modern parlance, "blew it." 287 00:16:34,118 --> 00:16:36,412 - Lord Summerisle, Christopher Lee's character, 288 00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:39,290 is trying to go back to what he sort of describes 289 00:16:39,582 --> 00:16:40,541 as the old ways. 290 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,252 And I think that's something that turns up 291 00:16:43,544 --> 00:16:45,880 in a lot of British folk horror in particular, 292 00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:49,675 where you have these old money aristocratic figures 293 00:16:49,967 --> 00:16:51,385 who are often villains 294 00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:54,805 who are really struggling in the modern era. 295 00:16:55,097 --> 00:16:56,682 And they're trying to sort of preserve 296 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:59,227 this old way of life that's dying out. 297 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:00,728 (birds chirping) - What my grandfather 298 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,021 had started out of expediency, 299 00:17:02,313 --> 00:17:04,774 my father continued out of love. 300 00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:08,486 He brought me up the same way, 301 00:17:08,778 --> 00:17:10,947 to reverence the music and the drama 302 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:13,074 and the rituals of the old gods. 303 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:17,453 To love nature and to fear it. 304 00:17:18,913 --> 00:17:21,874 And to rely on it and to appease it where necessary. 305 00:17:22,166 --> 00:17:22,875 He brought me up- - He brought you up 306 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:24,168 to be a Pagan! 307 00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:29,840 - A heathen, conceivably, but not, I hope, 308 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:32,051 an unenlightened one. - And it occurred to me 309 00:17:32,343 --> 00:17:35,721 that I had never actually seen a film 310 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:39,267 on the nature of sacrifice. (gentle mystical music) 311 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:43,813 And so I started with a checklist, as it were, 312 00:17:44,105 --> 00:17:47,233 of who would make the ideal sacrifice. 313 00:17:47,525 --> 00:17:50,278 There were, obviously, certain entitlements 314 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:53,239 that emerged from the research, the king for the day, 315 00:17:53,531 --> 00:17:57,243 the man who represents the law, a man who is a virgin, 316 00:17:57,535 --> 00:17:59,412 and so on and so forth, there were a number of things. 317 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:01,622 So I thought if we fitted up someone 318 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,084 with all those attachments and qualities, 319 00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:07,211 we had the ideal sacrifice. 320 00:18:07,503 --> 00:18:11,382 - It is very dangerous for people 321 00:18:11,674 --> 00:18:13,217 to become victims of a cult. 322 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,429 They can do absolutely terrible things 323 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,556 in a nice cheerful way. 324 00:18:18,848 --> 00:18:20,683 The Christopher Lee, Lord Summerisle, 325 00:18:20,975 --> 00:18:25,730 has, in effect, persuaded his fellow citizens on that island 326 00:18:27,398 --> 00:18:30,776 to give up their normal moral sense 327 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:35,823 and believe in something quite, in modern terms, outlandish, 328 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:40,828 but it happens all the time. (drums thudding) 329 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,957 ♪ Summer is icumen in ♪ 330 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:49,128 ♪ Loudly sing cuckoo ♪ 331 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:52,673 ♪ Grows the seed and blows the mead ♪ 332 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,509 ♪ And springs the wood anew ♪ - Like any decent piece 333 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:59,472 of work, it survives. 334 00:18:59,764 --> 00:19:02,308 It has coiled at the heart of it a mystery, 335 00:19:03,351 --> 00:19:04,268 and "Peter Pan" has it, 336 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,104 it's virtually a very silly play. 337 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,608 But it isn't because it's about something 338 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,403 other than what its surface purports to be. 339 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:18,908 ♪ Now shrilly sing cuckoo ♪ - Damn you! 340 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:21,869 Damn you! 341 00:19:24,747 --> 00:19:25,498 Damn you! 342 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:29,710 ♪ Sing cuckoo ♪ 343 00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:36,509 - And paganism has a habit of surviving as we see 344 00:19:37,802 --> 00:19:39,887 and it's that which helped this film survive, 345 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:41,305 the subject matter. 346 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:43,974 (fire blazing) 347 00:19:46,769 --> 00:19:49,438 (dramatic music) 348 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:57,113 (suspenseful music) 349 00:20:07,665 --> 00:20:10,334 (fire crackling) 350 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:14,463 (ominous music) 351 00:20:17,675 --> 00:20:20,302 - As a literary tradition and a cinematic tradition, 352 00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:23,723 there's more folk horror coming out of Britain 353 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:25,099 than anywhere else. 354 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,857 - A lot of these tropes that we know from folk horror films 355 00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:35,943 actually came into existence like 50 to 100 years earlier, 356 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,570 just from horror fiction. 357 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:40,906 (gentle ominous music) 358 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,036 So the story of the scholar or the outsider 359 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:47,955 who comes to the isolated community 360 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:51,333 and ends up experiencing some kind of old pagan ritual, 361 00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:52,626 this was in things like 362 00:20:52,918 --> 00:20:55,254 Eleanor Scott's story "Randalls Round", 363 00:20:55,546 --> 00:20:58,048 and Grant Allen's "Pallinghurst Barrow". 364 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,968 This is probably the most common story in folk horror. 365 00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:04,263 - An author like Arthur Machen 366 00:21:04,555 --> 00:21:07,141 is a vital contributor to folk horror. 367 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:08,434 Indeed, one of his later stories 368 00:21:08,726 --> 00:21:10,603 was called "Out of the Earth." 369 00:21:10,895 --> 00:21:13,355 I think also Algernon Blackwood 370 00:21:13,647 --> 00:21:15,357 with his extraordinary stories 371 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:17,860 about strange forces of nature 372 00:21:18,152 --> 00:21:20,362 overwhelming mere puny mankind, you know, 373 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:23,449 stories like "The Willows" and "The Wendigo." 374 00:21:23,741 --> 00:21:26,285 (dramatic music) 375 00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:34,168 Another maybe less obvious proponent of folk horror 376 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:38,839 was M.R. James, who wrote very precise, scholarly, 377 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:41,300 but nevertheless extremely chilling ghost stories. 378 00:21:41,592 --> 00:21:45,971 - He was probably the most distinguished ghost story writer 379 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:48,599 of the 20th century English cannon. 380 00:21:48,891 --> 00:21:52,144 He didn't take the work very seriously himself 381 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:55,105 and he wasn't taken very seriously for a long time, 382 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:57,191 but he's since become recognized 383 00:21:57,483 --> 00:21:59,652 as a leading influence on British 384 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,238 and European horror. - But they often deal 385 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:04,698 in folk horror, "Casting the Ruins" 386 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,659 was made into a great British film 387 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:10,287 called "Night of the Demon." - And then 388 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:13,999 you sort of travel through to the adaptations that were done 389 00:22:14,291 --> 00:22:16,252 on television by Lawrence Gordon Clark 390 00:22:16,544 --> 00:22:19,046 in "The Ghost Stories for Christmas" in the '70s. 391 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:24,134 They are key texts and incredibly effective works, you know, 392 00:22:24,593 --> 00:22:28,264 capturing that certain something that M.R. James does, 393 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,432 you know, the rustle in the trees 394 00:22:30,724 --> 00:22:32,434 or the inhuman mouth under the pillow 395 00:22:32,726 --> 00:22:35,646 in all of those kinds of very peculiar fissures 396 00:22:35,938 --> 00:22:37,857 in the modern. - Those M.R. James 397 00:22:38,148 --> 00:22:39,483 "Ghost Stories for Christmas", 398 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:43,863 particularly "Whistle and [I'll Come to You", is essential 399 00:22:44,154 --> 00:22:45,823 British folk horror. - It's a story 400 00:22:46,115 --> 00:22:49,118 of solitude and terror, and it has a moral too. 401 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,454 It hints at the dangers of intellectual pride 402 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:55,499 and shows how a man's reason can be overthrown 403 00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:59,211 when he fails to acknowledge those forces inside himself 404 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,088 which he simply cannot understand. 405 00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:05,759 - You've got this very British bumbling old guy, 406 00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:08,095 he kind of almost represents the patriarchy. 407 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:09,972 He's kind of, "ooh, nonsense, 408 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:11,640 there's no such thing as ghosts." 409 00:23:11,932 --> 00:23:14,310 - Hmm, inscription. 410 00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:20,524 Who is this? 411 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:23,903 Who is coming? 412 00:23:26,655 --> 00:23:27,406 Al right. 413 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:32,953 We shall blow it and see. 414 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,791 (whistle tooting) 415 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:44,506 (dramatic suspenseful music) - How do you conquer 416 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,759 something like that if it was not even part 417 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:48,260 of your belief system? 418 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:57,353 I think there's nothing so terrifying 419 00:23:57,645 --> 00:24:00,731 as seeing someone like that being reduced to madness, 420 00:24:01,023 --> 00:24:02,399 and like he's literally sucking his thumb by the end of it, 421 00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:05,778 he's sort of gone back to childhood 422 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:07,196 "cause he's so terrified. 423 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,286 - Jonathan Miller's "Whistle and I'll Come to You" 424 00:24:14,578 --> 00:24:17,748 was not actually part of the "Ghost Stories for Christmas", 425 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,250 but it was obviously popular enough 426 00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,337 that when Lawrence Gordon Clark went to the BBC 427 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,381 and proposed the whole "Ghost Stories for Christmas”, 428 00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:29,009 he was probably able to, you know, use that as a foundation. 429 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:32,846 (gentle spirited music) - If you take a wonderful 430 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:37,142 MR, James story in "The Stalls of Barchester", 431 00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:38,978 “The Hanging Oak,” as it was called, 432 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:42,898 which for centuries had been fated with blood sacrifice, 433 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:45,484 it was cut down by Puritans 434 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:48,028 in an attempt to get rid of that custom. 435 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,365 And the wood was used for carvings in the choir schools 436 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:56,453 which became absolutely deadly to anybody who touched them. 437 00:24:56,954 --> 00:25:01,458 (choir singing) That is how James 438 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:06,130 interwove historical evil and violence and sacrifice 439 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:10,342 with so-called rational Christian beliefs. 440 00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:13,637 - One of the most influential aspects of James 441 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:15,472 is the "Ghost Stories for Christmas”, 442 00:25:15,764 --> 00:25:19,184 because they're done in such a sparse, suggestive, 443 00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:22,146 atmospheric way is that you can look at those 444 00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:24,982 and you kind of use those as a template. 445 00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:27,484 They're frightening because of what's not shown 446 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:28,819 and what's suggested. 447 00:25:30,988 --> 00:25:34,158 (dramatic music) 448 00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:39,246 (suspenseful music) (crickets chirping) 449 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:47,838 (Paxton panting) - Folk horror 450 00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:51,717 is very much about our connection to the land. 451 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,637 - The landscape's always been a key component 452 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:57,473 of the English ghost story and you can really see this 453 00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:59,016 in the writings of M.R. James 454 00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:00,559 in the East Anglian locations 455 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:02,853 where he set a lot of his stories. 456 00:26:03,145 --> 00:26:05,147 - He's intensely visual, 457 00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:08,358 he uses the English countryside, which I love, 458 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:11,779 and English times, particularly in the shabby era once, 459 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:16,283 absolutely beautifully. - His ghosts are more earthy 460 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:20,162 and physical, he describes their texture and their smell. 461 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:22,331 They're deeply connected 462 00:26:22,623 --> 00:26:24,833 to their physical surroundings in a lot of ways. 463 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,170 And to this idea of like a bloody history 464 00:26:28,462 --> 00:26:30,589 that's buried beneath the facade of civility. 465 00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:34,426 (dramatic suspenseful music) 466 00:26:38,347 --> 00:26:41,100 (ghost chuckling) 467 00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:46,814 (ominous music) - So you often find, 468 00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:49,900 and especially the case in "Blood on Satan's Claw", 469 00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:53,195 that it begins with a claw being brought up from the land. 470 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:58,992 - That's why the opening scene, the plowing and the furrows, 471 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,328 so a lot of camera angles are very low 472 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:03,122 right throughout the film, 473 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:07,501 but it's supposed to suggest that whatever is coming 474 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:09,461 is coming from below. 475 00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:13,799 (suspenseful music) - Folk horror 476 00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:17,177 very much channels people's relationship to the land, 477 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,221 to this sort of shared consciousness, 478 00:27:19,513 --> 00:27:22,641 these traditional beliefs that are somehow in the soil, 479 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:23,934 in the landscape. 480 00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:29,189 ♪ The land's sharp features seemed to be ♪ 481 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,860 ♪ The Century's corpse outleant 482 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:36,530 ♪ His crypt the cloudy canopy ♪ 483 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:40,242 ♪ The wind his death-lament ♪ 484 00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:44,204 ♪ The ancient pulse of germ and birth ♪ 485 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,791 ♪ Was shrunken hard and dry ♪ 486 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,545 ♪ And every spirit upon earth ♪ 487 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:55,340 ♪ Seemed fervourless as I ♪ 488 00:27:55,632 --> 00:27:58,969 ♪ So little cause for carolings ♪ 489 00:27:59,261 --> 00:28:02,806 ♪ Of such ecstatic sound ♪ 490 00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:06,643 ♪ Was written on terrestrial things ♪ 491 00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:10,397 ♪ Afar or nigh around ♪ 492 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:14,067 ♪ That I could think there trembled through ♪ 493 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,779 ♪ His happy good-night air ♪ 494 00:28:18,071 --> 00:28:21,867 ♪ Some blessed Hope, whereof he knew ♪ 495 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,953 ♪ And I was unaware ♪ 496 00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:30,292 - Until, you know, as late as the late 20th century 497 00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:33,712 and we shouldn't forget how rural a lot of the culture 498 00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:34,546 in the British Isles was. 499 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:37,424 And you can see that looking at, say, the documentary 500 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,509 "The Moon and the Sledgehammer” 501 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:44,056 where you're looking at a family living in the 1970s, 502 00:28:44,348 --> 00:28:46,391 but you may as well be looking at a family 503 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:48,435 living in the 1870s. 504 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:49,269 (ominous music) - I never go 505 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:53,023 where the cock never crows, and I wouldn't advise any of you 506 00:28:53,315 --> 00:28:55,776 to go where the cock don't crow. 507 00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,571 (fire blazes) 508 00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:01,907 - Folk horror is more of a back to the land 509 00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:04,534 kind of species of horror, if you like. 510 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:06,536 It's more a rural thing 511 00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:10,082 rather than something to do with the aristocracy, 512 00:29:10,374 --> 00:29:12,000 it's more to do with the people 513 00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,086 who till the land, if you like. 514 00:29:14,378 --> 00:29:16,129 Maybe that's one reason why in the late '60s, 515 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,382 sort of back-to-the-land movement of that period, 516 00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:19,925 it suddenly gained currency, 517 00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,010 it was very, very important. 518 00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:23,512 - 'Cause we were the first people 519 00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:25,264 with an industrial revolution 520 00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:27,099 and that was our great break point. 521 00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:29,726 Between the continuity of hundreds of years 522 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,271 and suddenly people flooded into the towns, 523 00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,356 didn't have access to the greenery, 524 00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:36,817 they didn't have access to what they'd known before. 525 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:39,736 And we're constantly trying to get back to that. 526 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,198 - You come from the city. 527 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,284 You cannot know the ways of the country. 528 00:29:46,368 --> 00:29:47,619 - I think this is why we see a lot of films 529 00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,038 around the late '60s and the early '70s 530 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:53,208 which have become known as folk horrors, 531 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,712 which reflect a kind of general anxiety in society 532 00:29:57,004 --> 00:30:00,257 that the town is overtaking the countryside. 533 00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:03,343 (calm upbeat music) 534 00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:14,980 (birds chirping) 535 00:30:15,272 --> 00:30:15,897 - You stuck? 536 00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:22,029 - Then it can also link up with something 537 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:24,823 like "I Start Counting” or other films in the 1970s 538 00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:26,241 which are very much about, 539 00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:28,952 I guess, like suburbia and changing housing, 540 00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,455 new tower blocks, these kinda things. 541 00:30:31,747 --> 00:30:33,415 And this, you know, the city 542 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:35,584 sort of moving into the countryside 543 00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:37,544 and it's on the kind of periphery spaces, 544 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,212 like in "I Start Counting” with Jenny Agutter 545 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,256 where there's a sort of child murderer 546 00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:44,301 who's kind of stalking the lakes on the edges of the town 547 00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:46,511 and all these kind of older houses have been knocked down. 548 00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:48,055 We think about it as linking to the past, 549 00:30:48,347 --> 00:30:49,389 but it's very much about change 550 00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:50,891 and kind of in between places 551 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:53,143 and where things sort of seep into each other. 552 00:30:53,435 --> 00:30:55,312 - I would think of someone like David Gladwell, 553 00:30:55,604 --> 00:30:56,688 whose "Requiem for a Village" 554 00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:00,067 is in a kind of maybe penumbral or peripheral way 555 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,945 a kind of folk horror tale about the importance 556 00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:09,034 and unkillable nature of history and all that is natural. 557 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:11,620 "Requiem for a Village" charts 558 00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:15,082 that transitional moment between the old ways 559 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,502 and the coming of modern high-rise blocks 560 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,045 and the bulldozing of the fields 561 00:31:20,337 --> 00:31:24,383 that had reaped the harvest that fed and nurtured us all. 562 00:31:24,674 --> 00:31:26,259 I think maybe it's a stretch to call it a horror film, 563 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,178 although it does have an extraordinary sequence 564 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:30,806 of those who have passed away in the village 565 00:31:31,098 --> 00:31:34,059 rising from their graves, which is almost Fulci-esque. 566 00:31:34,351 --> 00:31:37,479 (gentle ethereal music) 567 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,576 - On Mike's set it's quite a conservative view 568 00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,620 of this kind of imagery 569 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,622 'cause it's almost more like harking back 570 00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:57,165 to the pastoral idyll. 571 00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:00,252 (suspenseful music) 572 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:04,923 - I think that there's this tendency 573 00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:06,091 to think of folk horror as something 574 00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:08,468 that is always set in the past, 575 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,053 but often it's actually that friction 576 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,764 between the present and the past that creates 577 00:32:13,056 --> 00:32:14,850 that tension. - It seems to me 578 00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:18,145 that you've kind of got two areas of folk horror. 579 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:21,064 You've got the stuff that takes place in the past 580 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:22,065 and then you've got the stuff 581 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:24,609 that's dealing with something coming out of the past. 582 00:32:24,901 --> 00:32:26,611 Well, the stuff that takes place in the past 583 00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:28,155 never really seems to me 584 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,449 to sort of have a particularly rosy view of it. 585 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,492 It's not like these halcyon days 586 00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:34,119 we're desperate to get back to, 587 00:32:34,411 --> 00:32:38,206 the past is usually presented as a pretty unpleasant place. 588 00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:41,126 And similarly, when you're dealing with modern day stuff, 589 00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:45,881 the threat is usually what's coming out of the past. 590 00:32:46,173 --> 00:32:49,301 So I don't really see this idea that 591 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:52,888 it's being represented as anything positive, 592 00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:56,433 it seems to me that folk horror is more often than not 593 00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:57,976 quite politically radical. 594 00:32:58,894 --> 00:33:01,146 (upbeat music) - They were just 595 00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:04,566 ordinary troublemakers as long as they lived. 596 00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:06,651 But they return from beyond the grave 597 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:10,030 with superhuman powers, unleashing an unholy reign 598 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,240 of terror that holds an entire community 599 00:33:12,532 --> 00:33:14,784 in the grip of "Psychomania”. 600 00:33:19,539 --> 00:33:22,167 "Psychomania." - "Psychomania's” 601 00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:26,379 an absolute classic hoot of a movie, isn't it? (laughs) 602 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,715 - Everybody dies, don't they? 603 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,510 But some come back. (suspenseful rock music) 604 00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:34,221 - "Psychomania” is, you know, these kind of tearaways 605 00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:36,431 who end up kind of reaffirming these old folk traditions, 606 00:33:36,723 --> 00:33:39,809 and once again, turning into stone statues. 607 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:43,897 (Abby gasps) 608 00:33:45,857 --> 00:33:48,235 But it's almost as if there's some kind of an anarchy 609 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:49,236 going all the way through, 610 00:33:49,528 --> 00:33:51,154 it's not like there's some beautiful, 611 00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:53,073 astonishing past. - Yeah, I think it's important 612 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:54,616 to stress that folk horror 613 00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:56,368 shouldn't necessarily be reactionary, right, 614 00:33:56,660 --> 00:34:00,038 the actual content in there is very much a challenge 615 00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,916 to the kind of narrative traditions of that time, 616 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:06,044 to the ideological traditions in that time. 617 00:34:06,336 --> 00:34:08,630 (Abby screaming) 618 00:34:08,922 --> 00:34:11,299 (Abby sobbing) 619 00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:20,016 - I think the back-to-the-land movement 620 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:23,770 and the hold over the hippie movement going into ecology 621 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,313 and stuff is part of it, 622 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,441 but it's not entirely part of it. 623 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:29,276 And it's interesting to see, 624 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:32,862 that actually in the pages of "Prediction" in the 1970s, 625 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:36,700 you have articles about vegetarianism 626 00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:39,244 and you have articles about organic farming as well, 627 00:34:39,536 --> 00:34:43,373 since back then, they weren't part of the everyday 628 00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:47,210 discourse. - Certainly in the 1970s, 629 00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:49,129 both in Britain and in America, 630 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:52,507 there was a kind of movement of people leaving the cities 631 00:34:52,799 --> 00:34:54,593 which had started to become polluted, 632 00:34:54,884 --> 00:34:56,886 overcrowded, sort of overheated, 633 00:34:57,178 --> 00:34:59,806 and trying to find better lives out in the countryside. 634 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,726 And in doing so, they encounter both nature, 635 00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:05,103 but also the people who live with nature. 636 00:35:05,395 --> 00:35:07,105 And that's very much a sort of class 637 00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:10,358 and cultural tension, but it's also a sort of environmental 638 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,277 tension. - We think of in westerns 639 00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:14,112 in American films, the mythic America 640 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:15,822 is the extending, expanding landscape, 641 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:18,158 so the kind of dream of moving onto new territory 642 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:20,577 that hasn't been picked over, whereas the folk horror 643 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:22,871 in British tradition is there's all these like sediments. 644 00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:24,039 It's more about like depth 645 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,874 rather than kind of moving outward. 646 00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:28,877 (machine whirring) 647 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,381 (machine groaning) 648 00:35:42,891 --> 00:35:44,559 - Heildy, whoa, whoa. 649 00:35:49,314 --> 00:35:54,235 (gentle suspenseful music) - Nigel Kneale 650 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,404 is best known for inventing "Quatermass”, 651 00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,908 but he also, in the 1970s and right up to the '80s, in fact, 652 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,370 wrote several of the things that folk horror fans 653 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:05,580 particularly rate. - I think Nigel Kneale 654 00:36:05,872 --> 00:36:08,083 is the pinnacle in terms of quality. 655 00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:11,461 If he was working in a medium that was more respected, 656 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:14,047 like novels, I think he'd be a far more household name. 657 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:15,715 He's very prescient like ♪. G. Ballard, 658 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:17,384 but whereas ♪. G. Ballard wrote novels 659 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:18,968 and became very respected, 660 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,680 Kneale stayed with television largely 661 00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:23,306 and some films as well. 662 00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:27,310 His work is incredibly haunting, incredibly prescient, 663 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:30,397 he virtually predicted the rise of reality television 664 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:31,231 amongst other things. 665 00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:35,068 And the strongest elements of folk horror in television 666 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,821 and film, I think, are largely indebted to him. 667 00:36:38,113 --> 00:36:42,200 So Nigel Kneale, I think, is the epitome of the great, 668 00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:44,077 writer of folk horror. 669 00:36:45,954 --> 00:36:48,540 (ominous music) 670 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,468 - I would say that something like a Nigel Kneale's 671 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,762 "The Stone Tape" is a kind of uber text 672 00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:04,139 when we're talking about folk horror 673 00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:08,852 because it encapsulates so many ideas, the haunting parts, 674 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:11,813 but also the idea of the recording of the past 675 00:37:12,105 --> 00:37:15,191 and the very analog version of that. 676 00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:16,484 (typewrite whirring) 677 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:18,445 - It's your code number. You fed it in. 678 00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:20,739 - I didn't. - You must have done. 679 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:21,823 - Th-there are words 680 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:23,908 or they might be words. 681 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,995 See, pray. - Soul, that's soul there. 682 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:29,080 - Pray, prayer. 683 00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:35,336 - It's in the computer! 684 00:37:35,628 --> 00:37:38,882 - "The Stone Tape" deals with a haunting 685 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:41,718 and trying to apply science to a haunting, 686 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:45,305 but you soon find out that there's only so far 687 00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:47,974 science can go and there's something much older underneath 688 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,268 that science can't actually cope with. 689 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,937 (spooky music) 690 00:37:53,229 --> 00:37:55,774 - We have a deeply historical landscape, 691 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:58,902 which has been subject to human intervention 692 00:37:59,194 --> 00:38:02,447 and design over centuries and centuries. 693 00:38:02,739 --> 00:38:07,202 So again, we're looking at layers of occupation and usage, 694 00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:10,789 but we also like to think that there is a genius loci, 695 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,665 a spirit of place. 696 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:16,669 So anywhere where you feel that is liable to lead 697 00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:21,299 to a folk horror inspiration or experience. 698 00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:24,886 ♪ Oh, the praties they are small ♪ 699 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:29,390 ♪ Over here, over here ♪ 700 00:38:29,682 --> 00:38:32,811 ♪ Oh the praties they are small & 701 00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:35,104 ♪ Over here ♪ - This is where folk horror 702 00:38:35,396 --> 00:38:36,731 intersects with psychogeography, 703 00:38:37,023 --> 00:38:38,817 which is essentially the psychological relationship 704 00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:39,651 between people and a place, 705 00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:41,528 and the kind of psychic imprints 706 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,696 that people leave on a place and vice versa. 707 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:46,783 - In folk horror, we're very much talking about the effect 708 00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:48,034 of the environment on people, 709 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,662 on people's psyche, on their behavior. 710 00:38:50,954 --> 00:38:53,373 And I think the conflicts between different behaviors 711 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,625 is very much at the heart of folk horror, right? 712 00:38:55,917 --> 00:38:57,335 - Yeah, and I guess with psychogeography, you know, 713 00:38:57,627 --> 00:38:59,796 it's partly about previous psyches 714 00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:01,840 kinda pressing themselves into the landscape 715 00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:04,175 and then, you know, a contemporary person walking around 716 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:07,804 and kinda picking up on the resonance of those psyches 717 00:39:08,096 --> 00:39:09,681 in the past. - Whether it goes back 718 00:39:09,973 --> 00:39:12,600 to Alfred Watkins looking for ley lines 719 00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:14,686 or somebody like Peter Ackroyd 720 00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:16,813 looking for a secret history of London. 721 00:39:17,105 --> 00:39:17,730 (ominous music) - That would sort of draw you 722 00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:19,607 on to something like "Quatermass and the Pit", right? 723 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:20,775 - Mm, yeah, yeah. - Whereas the sense 724 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,694 that Nigel Kneale, who's this writer 725 00:39:22,986 --> 00:39:24,779 primarily associated with science fiction, 726 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:27,407 then fusing science fiction with folk horror, 727 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:30,159 talking about this hidden menace deep within the earth 728 00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:33,454 which is only dug out when people start to burrow down 729 00:39:33,746 --> 00:39:34,747 into the center of the earth. 730 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,833 Which is very much one of these key concepts 731 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:38,501 behind the folk horror, I think. 732 00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,588 (suspenseful music) 733 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,148 - It was one of Nigel Kneales recurring ideas, 734 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,859 he would make reference to mythology and folklore 735 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:05,695 and yoke it to science fiction. 736 00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:08,114 And "Doctor Who" picked up on that. 737 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,909 - Devils End is part of the dark mythology 738 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,161 of our childhood days. 739 00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:16,539 And now for the first time, the cameras of the BBC 740 00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:19,876 have been allowed inside the cabin itself. 741 00:40:20,168 --> 00:40:22,170 - You think of the classic John Pertwee storyline, 742 00:40:22,462 --> 00:40:24,839 "The Daemons”, which has all of the key themes 743 00:40:25,131 --> 00:40:27,175 of sort of folk horror within it. 744 00:40:27,467 --> 00:40:29,552 You have, another thing, ancient burial mounds; 745 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:33,890 disturbing, long buried forces in the English countryside. 746 00:40:34,182 --> 00:40:36,017 You have evil Morris dancers. 747 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:37,644 (upbeat folk music) - You're being invited 748 00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:39,854 to join our May day revels, Doctor. 749 00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:41,898 - You know, it's all in there. 750 00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:45,568 (crickets chirping) (bell chiming) 751 00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:49,822 Nigel Kneales' final storyline in the "Quatermass" series, 752 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:53,534 broadcasted in 1979, is set in a post-apocalyptic world 753 00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:56,537 after what we assume is a nuclear war. 754 00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:59,248 (ominous music) 755 00:41:03,002 --> 00:41:05,505 - Who are they? - Planet people. 756 00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:09,968 - (sighs) They've got some strange belief. 757 00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:13,429 - Magic, it's always magic. 758 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:17,517 (tense music) - And you have bands 759 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:20,353 of hippie travelers marching across the land 760 00:41:20,645 --> 00:41:21,646 being drawn mysteriously 761 00:41:21,938 --> 00:41:24,357 to stone circles. - Many of these groups 762 00:41:24,649 --> 00:41:29,112 of stones, like Stonehenge, were complex observatories, 763 00:41:29,404 --> 00:41:32,991 predicting what once were thought the unpredictable, 764 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,826 fickle wondering of their gods. 765 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:43,084 - They were just a kind of normal part of the landscape 766 00:41:43,376 --> 00:41:45,920 for many people, certainly Avebury, where we are now, 767 00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:50,675 has had a village within it for over a thousand years. 768 00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:54,512 (mystical suspenseful music) 769 00:41:57,557 --> 00:41:58,224 - And you just want me 770 00:41:58,516 --> 00:41:59,267 to touch it? - Mm hm. 771 00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:05,148 (spooky music) - Yes, please. 772 00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:12,447 (people screaming) 773 00:42:25,585 --> 00:42:27,336 - Surprisingly, it hasn't featured 774 00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:31,174 in that many sort of films and television. 775 00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:34,218 Most famously "Children of the Stones”, 776 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:37,638 the children's TV series from the mid 1970s, 777 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:40,141 that was set and filmed here. 778 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:42,935 And it also appears in "A Ghost Story for Christmas" 779 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:45,480 called "Stigma". (calm upbeat music) 780 00:42:45,772 --> 00:42:46,355 (gentle suspenseful music) - In "Stigma", 781 00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:49,192 the malevolence or blight occurs because someone 782 00:42:49,484 --> 00:42:51,110 has disturbed the standing stones, 783 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:53,404 and people have come from the city to settle in the country 784 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:55,490 and have no sense of what the standing stones mean. 785 00:42:55,782 --> 00:42:57,700 They have no connection to that history. 786 00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:00,787 (suspenseful music) 787 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:02,997 (farmer grunts) 788 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:06,584 (lightning zapping) - Ah! 789 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:10,797 - So the standing stone, there are these monuments 790 00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:13,466 of great mystery, they kind of harp back 791 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:15,843 to this pre-Christian and pagan past 792 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:17,970 to this whole idea that, you know, the past and the history 793 00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:20,640 are threatening to kind of re-emerge 794 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:25,228 and kind of reclaim ownership over the land. 795 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,438 With "Rawhead Rex", in the original short story, 796 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:31,651 you have this clash between these kind of ancient customs 797 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:32,860 and ancient way of life 798 00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:35,363 and these new forces of gentrification. 799 00:43:35,655 --> 00:43:38,783 This idea that, you know, getting back to these old ways, 800 00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:40,284 getting away from the rat race 801 00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:42,328 and getting back to nature, 802 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:46,207 it's just another form of, kind of colonization and invasion. 803 00:43:46,499 --> 00:43:49,544 (gentle ominous music) 804 00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:56,592 - Your hands, they're bleeding. 805 00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,220 - Actually think that there's a good trilogy 806 00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:00,555 of old "Play for Today" episodes 807 00:44:00,847 --> 00:44:05,643 that define the form of folk horror with a bit more nuance, 808 00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:08,229 John Bowen's "Robin Redbreast”, 809 00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:09,897 David Rudkin's "Penda's Fen", 810 00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,858 and Alan Garner's "Red Shift." 811 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:13,901 Now all three of those, I think, 812 00:44:14,193 --> 00:44:18,865 deal with the sort of temporal qualities within place, 813 00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:21,826 which is, for me, essential to folk horror. 814 00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:24,328 (calm music) 815 00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:29,458 ♪ Baloo, my boy, lie still and sleep ♪ 816 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:33,880 ♪ It grieves me sore to hear thee weep ♪ 817 00:44:34,172 --> 00:44:38,217 ♪ If thou'lt be silent, I'll be glad ♪ 818 00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:42,889 ♪ Thy moaning makes my heart full sad ♪ 819 00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:45,141 - David Rudkin, the playwright, 820 00:44:45,433 --> 00:44:47,059 particularly wrote "Penda's Fen", 821 00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:50,855 which is a beautiful, lyrical, very pagan piece 822 00:44:51,147 --> 00:44:53,858 about a young lad's coming to terms 823 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:56,235 with his sexuality and his identity, 824 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,864 and realizing that he's never really going to be part of 825 00:45:00,156 --> 00:45:02,617 the culture that he thought he was part of. 826 00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:06,787 ♪ O'er thee I keep my lonely watch ♪ 827 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:11,250 ♪ Intent thy lightest breath to catch ♪ 828 00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:16,130 - It deals with issues of geography, of the land, 829 00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:19,050 of how we relate to the land, how we consider the land, 830 00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:22,220 but it also talks about the idea of television itself. 831 00:45:22,511 --> 00:45:23,888 The lead character, the young boy, 832 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:25,598 is haunted by a number of figures. 833 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,558 And I mean, he's haunted by a figure 834 00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:29,518 who's basically Mary Whitehouse, 835 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:32,730 who is presented in the play as essentially being an avatar 836 00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:36,150 of a kind of Manichaean witchcraft. 837 00:45:36,442 --> 00:45:37,276 (dramatic music) 838 00:45:37,568 --> 00:45:38,986 The idea that there's a sort of battle 839 00:45:39,278 --> 00:45:41,739 between good and evil, and there's two opposing forces. 840 00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:45,826 This idea that there's good and evil, purity and impurity, 841 00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:49,205 is something that Rudkin reject. 842 00:45:49,497 --> 00:45:51,832 - My God. (fire screaming) 843 00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:54,418 (fire blazes) 844 00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:01,217 - There you have seen your true dark enemies of England. 845 00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:05,846 Sick father and mother who would have us children forever. 846 00:46:07,098 --> 00:46:08,391 The questions around national identity, 847 00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:09,642 which are often embedded, 848 00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,102 especially into British folk horror, 849 00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:13,729 it's there if you want to read it there. 850 00:46:14,021 --> 00:46:15,940 And the paranoias that we have 851 00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:18,901 around national identity are there, 852 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:21,821 for better or for worse. - And, you know, 853 00:46:22,113 --> 00:46:25,324 thinking about something like the play today, "Penda's Fen", 854 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,243 that was within the place they slought, 855 00:46:27,535 --> 00:46:28,828 you know, it has genre elements, 856 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,205 but would not have been seen connecting 857 00:46:31,497 --> 00:46:32,665 with the other things that we've been talking about. 858 00:46:32,957 --> 00:46:34,667 But something like folk horror 859 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,961 allows that to have a relationship. 860 00:46:37,253 --> 00:46:38,713 (tense suspenseful music) - Who are you? 861 00:46:39,714 --> 00:46:41,048 Bring me here, 862 00:46:42,425 --> 00:46:45,594 slip of a girl, such short time living, 863 00:46:46,721 --> 00:46:48,764 dead now so long, 864 00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:54,770 still bring me, day after day bring me to this uneasy place. 865 00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:06,198 (ominous music) 866 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:09,410 - David Rudkin's later piece, "The Living Grave", 867 00:47:09,702 --> 00:47:12,079 - Oh, yeah. - which is all about 868 00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:15,416 this woman, Kitty, who is buried in Dartmore in Devon, 869 00:47:15,708 --> 00:47:18,169 and put in an unmarked grave. - In an unmarked grave. 870 00:47:18,461 --> 00:47:20,379 - And so he sort of looks into the history of her 871 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,215 and who she was, but he does it in this very curious way 872 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,302 in which he has a woman, and this is all based 873 00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:29,472 on a true account of a woman being put under hypnosis. 874 00:47:29,764 --> 00:47:32,350 And then she kind of embodies and remembers Kitty's past 875 00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:33,601 and kind of recounts her story 876 00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:35,644 through hypnosis. - And part of the fascination 877 00:47:35,936 --> 00:47:37,730 in that is the kind of the use, again, 878 00:47:38,022 --> 00:47:39,106 of new technology. - Yeah, 879 00:47:39,398 --> 00:47:40,024 and seeing the past with these 880 00:47:40,316 --> 00:47:42,777 kind of filters. - And multiple layers 881 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,571 of history and myth. (dramatic music) 882 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:49,450 - Such bounty there was, such fruitfulness, Miss. Palmer, 883 00:47:49,742 --> 00:47:51,660 from the blood that drained from Robin Hood, 884 00:47:51,952 --> 00:47:53,579 so the old stories say. 885 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:55,706 - John Bowen wrote "Robin Redbreast” 886 00:47:55,998 --> 00:48:00,419 about a woman who winds up trapped in a village and trapped 887 00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,714 by a pagan conspiracy. - I'm sorry if I sound 888 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:06,592 hysterical, I'm alone here. 889 00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:09,887 I keep telling myself it's only imagination, 890 00:48:10,179 --> 00:48:14,934 but I've had proof now. (tense suspenseful music) 891 00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:16,602 There's something wrong, Jake. 892 00:48:18,062 --> 00:48:19,522 I don't know what it is. 893 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:20,856 They're keeping me here for something, 894 00:48:21,148 --> 00:48:23,275 making sure I can't get away before Easter. 895 00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,947 (Norah gasps) 896 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,032 - Another aspect of English culture 897 00:48:30,324 --> 00:48:32,326 that lends itself very well to folk horror 898 00:48:32,618 --> 00:48:34,829 is, of course, the class system. 899 00:48:35,121 --> 00:48:37,456 - One mile to the village and a mile from the road, 900 00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:39,750 I'm going to live in it for awhile. 901 00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:42,503 I've got to get used to living on my own as it seems. 902 00:48:43,838 --> 00:48:46,257 It's clearly a good place to start. 903 00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:48,092 (ominous music) - You're looking at 904 00:48:48,384 --> 00:48:50,594 middle class or upper middle class people, 905 00:48:50,886 --> 00:48:53,931 essentially fearing what lower class people 906 00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:56,559 or poor people do in a countryside. 907 00:48:56,851 --> 00:48:57,893 - As far as I can see there's no privacy at all 908 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:00,396 in the country, whatever you do, wherever you go, 909 00:49:00,688 --> 00:49:01,564 everybody knows. - If you're going 910 00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:03,107 to go around like Lady Chatterley, 911 00:49:03,399 --> 00:49:04,483 the woods are traditional. 912 00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:06,527 Some mossy glade where you can feel the rough touch 913 00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:08,154 of the earth on your backside. - Rough touch 914 00:49:08,446 --> 00:49:10,322 of the nettles more likely. - Mm. 915 00:49:12,575 --> 00:49:15,119 - Far too many people in the woods. 916 00:49:15,411 --> 00:49:17,496 - People? - One gets that feeling, 917 00:49:17,788 --> 00:49:22,543 like being watched. (dramatic tense music) 918 00:49:37,308 --> 00:49:38,559 (suspenseful music) - Children's TV, as well, 919 00:49:38,851 --> 00:49:39,935 has a lot of folk horror in it, 920 00:49:40,227 --> 00:49:42,104 things like "Children of the Stones", 921 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:45,774 later on "Moon Dial", "Century Falls." 922 00:49:46,066 --> 00:49:47,109 - You know, things like "Bagpuss” 923 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:51,280 which is enduringly popular over many generations, 924 00:49:51,572 --> 00:49:55,409 but is, I find, deeply sinister with clockwork mice, 925 00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:59,955 talking toys, Victorian parlor maids all coming to life, 926 00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:04,752 you know, inside a dusty, spooky, dimly-lit junk shop. 927 00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:07,546 What could be more eerie than that? 928 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:09,215 - There was sort of really creepy children's shows, 929 00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:12,885 and I don't know why, but that was kind of a trend 930 00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:16,972 at that particular point. (calm upbeat music) 931 00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:23,729 (water splashing) (engine revving) 932 00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:28,943 (water burbling) (spooky music) 933 00:50:30,194 --> 00:50:35,115 (dramatic music) (wings flapping) 934 00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:39,411 (dramatic music) 935 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:41,288 (spooky music) (graphic creaking) 936 00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:42,790 - And they all things that were drawing 937 00:50:43,082 --> 00:50:47,753 on British mythology, on pagan mythology, folklore. 938 00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:49,964 - And I think it was authors probably tapping 939 00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:53,175 into this mystery that you feel as a child 940 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:54,677 when you hear these fairytales 941 00:50:54,969 --> 00:50:59,306 and it represents danger as well as magic and mystery. 942 00:50:59,598 --> 00:51:01,642 Yeah, I think children are much more intelligent 943 00:51:01,934 --> 00:51:05,854 about understanding symbolism and metaphor, 944 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:08,983 they just have an inherent understanding of it. 945 00:51:09,275 --> 00:51:10,067 - Look at that part, 946 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:14,071 it's an owl's head, see? - Yes. 947 00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:18,284 Well, I suppose it is if you want it to be. 948 00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:20,244 - And I think that in itself is kinda interesting 949 00:51:20,536 --> 00:51:22,997 and subversive because you had this kinda generation 950 00:51:23,289 --> 00:51:26,959 who'd grown out of the '60s suddenly adults, teachers, 951 00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:30,921 infiltrating the theoretically conservative systems 952 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:33,340 of education with their kinda hippie ideas, 953 00:51:33,632 --> 00:51:35,259 their magical ideas. 954 00:51:35,551 --> 00:51:39,096 (dramatic suspenseful music) 955 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:41,682 - With "The Company of Wolves", 956 00:51:41,974 --> 00:51:44,518 there's a shift from the children focused stories 957 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,229 that you get in 1970s television series, 958 00:51:47,521 --> 00:51:50,524 such as "Escape Into Night" or "The Owl Service". 959 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:55,070 This narrative structure of having stories within stories 960 00:51:55,362 --> 00:51:58,991 within dreams, to me, seems to be very much in keeping 961 00:51:59,283 --> 00:52:02,661 with the 1980s trend of kind of postmodernism, 962 00:52:02,953 --> 00:52:06,498 this use of bricolage and pastiche to kind of interweave 963 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:07,916 all these different elements 964 00:52:08,208 --> 00:52:10,502 and inter-textual references together. 965 00:52:10,794 --> 00:52:12,838 So this, I think, relates to all 966 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:16,258 the kind of numerous mutations and reiterations 967 00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:19,261 and retellings of "Little Red Riding Hood." 968 00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:23,140 You have also the fact that in Angela Carter's source book, 969 00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:27,394 she is kind of taking these stories and re-imagining them 970 00:52:27,686 --> 00:52:30,981 in a way where they kind of subvert the original stories 971 00:52:31,273 --> 00:52:33,776 and become, you know, tools of liberation. 972 00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:38,530 And then in the film, you have Rosaline 973 00:52:38,822 --> 00:52:40,491 who through the course of the film, 974 00:52:40,783 --> 00:52:42,868 she becomes a storyteller, but she becomes 975 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,954 a very transgressive one. - And after the woman 976 00:52:46,246 --> 00:52:47,081 made the wolves come to sing to her 977 00:52:47,373 --> 00:52:48,916 and the baby at night, made them come 978 00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:51,669 and serenade her. - (laughs) But what pleasure 979 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,380 would there be in that, listening to a lot of wolves? 980 00:52:54,672 --> 00:52:56,548 Don't we have to do it all the time? 981 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,258 - The pleasure would come 982 00:52:58,550 --> 00:52:59,176 from knowing the power ♪ Rock-a-bye baby ♪ 983 00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:01,679 - that she had. ♪ On the tree top & 984 00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,347 (suspenseful music) - So she's taking on stories 985 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:07,434 as a way to kind of explore in her own power and agency. 986 00:53:07,726 --> 00:53:10,979 - She crept inside (gentle suspenseful music) 987 00:53:11,271 --> 00:53:16,068 To the world below. (wheel creaking) 988 00:53:20,656 --> 00:53:22,241 And that's all I'll tell you 989 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,661 because that's all I know. 990 00:53:27,621 --> 00:53:29,248 (tense suspenseful music) 991 00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:32,167 (heavy breathing) 992 00:53:39,508 --> 00:53:42,511 (woman screams) 993 00:53:42,803 --> 00:53:43,762 (dramatic suspenseful music) 994 00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:47,474 - "The Lair of the White Worm" was based on a story 995 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:50,853 by Bram Stoker, who, of course, wrote "Dracula”, 996 00:53:51,145 --> 00:53:53,230 it's kind of set, you know, in contemporary times, 997 00:53:53,522 --> 00:53:54,231 in the 1980s. 998 00:53:54,523 --> 00:53:58,736 And at that time, you had this trend for heritage films, 999 00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:01,739 looking at Britain's imperialist history 1000 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:03,490 with a sense of nostalgia. 1001 00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:05,451 And that was very much in keeping with, 1002 00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:06,869 you know, this heritage industry 1003 00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,246 that was being fueled by this nostalgia. 1004 00:54:09,538 --> 00:54:11,540 So I think one of the ways that both 1005 00:54:11,832 --> 00:54:14,710 "The Lair of the White Worm" and "The Company of Wolves" 1006 00:54:15,002 --> 00:54:17,880 reject their heritage film is the upper classes 1007 00:54:18,172 --> 00:54:21,258 become completely monstrous and completely inhuman. 1008 00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:22,092 (dramatic ethereal music) 1009 00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:23,844 (Dionin teeth crunching) (Angus screams) 1010 00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:26,221 In the heritage film, you have landscape 1011 00:54:26,513 --> 00:54:28,390 which becomes scenery and that's very different 1012 00:54:28,682 --> 00:54:31,602 to the kind of darker way that the landscape is used 1013 00:54:31,894 --> 00:54:34,396 in "The Lair of the White Worm", it really emphasizes 1014 00:54:34,688 --> 00:54:36,815 kind of the phallic and the yonic forms. 1015 00:54:37,107 --> 00:54:38,567 And you have these underground caves 1016 00:54:38,859 --> 00:54:41,445 where the snake god resides. (snake hissing) 1017 00:54:41,737 --> 00:54:42,404 (Dionin screams) 1018 00:54:42,696 --> 00:54:44,114 (dramatic suspenseful music) - It's something 1019 00:54:44,406 --> 00:54:46,992 about Britishness that we think of 1020 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:48,660 as very much to do with order. 1021 00:54:48,952 --> 00:54:51,163 There's a kind of stereotypical impression 1022 00:54:51,455 --> 00:54:54,708 of a British person is quite uptight, quite repressed, 1023 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,544 manners, rules, all of this kind of thing. 1024 00:54:57,836 --> 00:54:59,630 And when you uncover that, 1025 00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:01,089 it's this sort of idea that there's something 1026 00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:03,091 much wilder underneath. 1027 00:55:03,383 --> 00:55:05,093 (bell chiming) 1028 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:07,221 (dramatic suspenseful music) 1029 00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:09,014 For my film "Prevenge" 1030 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:12,267 I did quite a lot of research about human sacrifice 1031 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,270 because there are remains of bodies that have been dug up 1032 00:55:15,562 --> 00:55:18,565 in the UK that they think were possibly human sacrifices. 1033 00:55:18,857 --> 00:55:22,486 And when you contrast that with what our idea 1034 00:55:22,778 --> 00:55:26,615 of Britishness is, it makes you feel like our ancestors 1035 00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:30,994 are alien to us. (wind whistling) 1036 00:55:31,286 --> 00:55:34,665 (gentle suspenseful music) 1037 00:55:39,503 --> 00:55:40,170 (tense music) - But this idea 1038 00:55:40,462 --> 00:55:41,046 of what's in the ground 1039 00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,674 and this attempt to bury the old traditions, 1040 00:55:43,966 --> 00:55:45,884 trying to hide or dismiss where we come from, 1041 00:55:46,176 --> 00:55:48,053 is still the key idea of British folk horror, 1042 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,348 right up to today. (tense music) 1043 00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:02,943 - Whitehead. 1044 00:56:04,152 --> 00:56:07,573 Come friend, I'll protect you from yourself as best I can. 1045 00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:10,576 (slow tense music) 1046 00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:33,974 (gentle suspenseful music) - In a way 1047 00:56:34,266 --> 00:56:35,475 it's a historical drama, 1048 00:56:36,685 --> 00:56:38,437 but there's a sense of uncanny, 1049 00:56:38,729 --> 00:56:41,648 there's a sense of the history of the nation. 1050 00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:43,108 - What do you see, friend? 1051 00:56:46,612 --> 00:56:49,406 - Nothing, perhaps, (panting) 1052 00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:50,991 (drums beating) only shadows. 1053 00:56:56,538 --> 00:56:59,750 (tense drum music) - The blood 1054 00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:01,168 flows into the soil, 1055 00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:04,671 it's still there, it's still resonant. 1056 00:57:13,305 --> 00:57:14,723 - Generally speaking, we wanna believe 1057 00:57:15,015 --> 00:57:18,852 that the thoughts and fears and beliefs 1058 00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:21,897 of a past generation, we've sort of transcended them, 1059 00:57:22,189 --> 00:57:23,523 we've grown out of them, 1060 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:24,399 we're above them. 1061 00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,526 Horror films always pose this problem 1062 00:57:26,818 --> 00:57:28,737 that, in fact, it's not as simple as that. 1063 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:41,458 - SO you have a short TV play called "Murrain”, 1064 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:44,378 which is about a vet who discovers 1065 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:48,256 that a group of local farmers and farm laborers 1066 00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:49,675 have turned against an old woman 1067 00:57:49,967 --> 00:57:51,134 because they're convinced that she's a witch 1068 00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:52,678 who's cursed them. 1069 00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:55,263 And it's a lovely little character piece. 1070 00:57:55,555 --> 00:58:00,352 It has a moment in the middle where he discovers 1071 00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:04,314 that these farmers believe that they're cursed. 1072 00:58:05,399 --> 00:58:07,567 And he says, "But, you know, what about science?" 1073 00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:10,654 - They've got you trained to thinking nothings true 1074 00:58:10,946 --> 00:58:12,906 if it's not in books or you can't shove it 1075 00:58:13,198 --> 00:58:13,907 in a bottle and analyze it. 1076 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:15,075 - That's called knowledge. - Work out the rules 1077 00:58:15,367 --> 00:58:17,160 and when the rules don't fit, don't jab 'em. 1078 00:58:17,452 --> 00:58:19,079 - The purpose of science- - Until you found 1079 00:58:19,371 --> 00:58:21,707 you got the rules wrong. - And the vet says. 1080 00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:23,750 - Then we change the rules. - Oh! 1081 00:58:24,042 --> 00:58:25,627 - When the rules don't work, we make new rules, 1082 00:58:25,919 --> 00:58:27,170 we work it out. 1083 00:58:27,462 --> 00:58:31,133 - But we don't go back. (calm music) 1084 00:58:32,134 --> 00:58:33,885 “And we don't go back” 1085 00:58:35,846 --> 00:58:39,266 is the fundamental tension of folk horror. 1086 00:58:44,021 --> 00:58:48,191 We don't go back because if we go back, 1087 00:58:49,234 --> 00:58:52,029 we enter a realm of superstition and madness. 1088 00:58:56,575 --> 00:58:58,493 (woman screaming) 1089 00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:03,582 (man screaming) (dramatic music) 1090 00:59:07,461 --> 00:59:10,922 - [Black Phillip] Wouldst thou like to live deliciously? 1091 00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:14,843 (ominous music) (witch cackles) 1092 00:59:15,135 --> 00:59:17,095 (women screaming) - By the pricking 1093 00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:22,184 of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. (cackles) 1094 00:59:24,019 --> 00:59:26,605 - Shall be done, the cold cast of days and nights, 1095 00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:28,356 the magic one. 1096 00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:30,525 ♪ They're now sleeping, what ♪ 1097 00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:33,487 ♪ Who's that ghost in the town, what ♪ 1098 00:59:33,779 --> 00:59:37,324 (mystical suspenseful music) 1099 00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:41,495 - There were lots of things that were in the air, 1100 00:59:41,787 --> 00:59:45,040 and I think that in the 1970s, 1101 00:59:45,332 --> 00:59:49,961 you had one of the very first periods in the 20th century 1102 00:59:50,253 --> 00:59:53,256 British history, where people, for a long time anyway, 1103 00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,675 where people became convinced that actually Britain 1104 00:59:55,967 --> 00:59:57,135 wasn't kind of great. 1105 00:59:57,427 --> 01:00:00,597 You come out of the '60s, which is a very celebratory era, 1106 01:00:00,889 --> 01:00:03,934 and suddenly you have a period of austerity, 1107 01:00:04,226 --> 01:00:06,645 you have a government that calls an election 1108 01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:07,896 thinking they're gonna smash it 1109 01:00:08,188 --> 01:00:09,773 and then it goes a bit wrong. 1110 01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:13,318 You have a big, divisive referendum about Europe. 1111 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:15,320 Over the pond, you have an American president 1112 01:00:15,612 --> 01:00:17,781 who's going through like a two year long scandal 1113 01:00:18,073 --> 01:00:20,575 about things he did wrong in his reelection campaign. 1114 01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:25,497 None of these things are sort of exist in isolation, 1115 01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:27,415 SO you also have like this big rise 1116 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,751 in interest in the occult. 1117 01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:31,086 ♪ Jet white dove ♪ 1118 01:00:31,378 --> 01:00:32,629 ♪ Snow black snake ♪ 1119 01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:35,715 ♪ Time has turned it's face ♪ 1120 01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:38,426 ♪ From the edge of mystery ♪ 1121 01:00:38,718 --> 01:00:41,972 ♪ Where running is no race ♪ 1122 01:00:42,264 --> 01:00:43,431 ♪ Ageless night ♪ 1123 01:00:43,723 --> 01:00:44,766 ♪ Careless day ♪ 1124 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,894 ♪ Fate reaches out a hand ♪ 1125 01:00:48,186 --> 01:00:50,814 ♪ To touch the edge of destiny ♪ 1126 01:00:51,106 --> 01:00:54,067 ♪ A story with no end ♪ 1127 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:00,574 - A lot of witchcraft going on in the late '60s 1128 01:01:00,866 --> 01:01:05,662 which is becoming a more prevalent idea 1129 01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:08,790 amongst young, educated intellectuals. 1130 01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:11,418 It's no longer just a thing that the country folk do. 1131 01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:13,336 When you have like the films of Kenneth Anger, 1132 01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:15,881 there's this kinda sense that witchcraft 1133 01:01:16,173 --> 01:01:18,216 is becoming - I think it's a modern thing. 1134 01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:19,050 - A modern thing. - You know, 1135 01:01:19,342 --> 01:01:20,468 magic can be modern, it's not just something in the past. 1136 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,095 - The factories were closing 1137 01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:24,973 so the kids went off travelling. They followed The Beatles, 1138 01:01:25,265 --> 01:01:27,392 really, to India. - Far from the noise 1139 01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:30,854 and pace of city life, in the cool, clear air of Rishikesh, 1140 01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:34,399 North India, Pathe News reports from the meditation retreat 1141 01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:38,069 of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. - They discovered cheap drugs, 1142 01:01:38,361 --> 01:01:39,946 they discovered different ways of life. 1143 01:01:40,238 --> 01:01:43,074 They discovered entire ways of being 1144 01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:45,076 that were intact for thousands of years 1145 01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:46,620 and that intrigued them. 1146 01:01:46,912 --> 01:01:49,915 And they came back here and wanted to know, 1147 01:01:50,207 --> 01:01:52,125 well, where's England's one? 1148 01:01:52,417 --> 01:01:53,376 How do we do it? 1149 01:01:53,668 --> 01:01:55,670 Witchcraft is the only religion that the UK 1150 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,589 has ever given to the world. 1151 01:01:57,881 --> 01:02:01,009 And it was so popular amongst musicians and people, 1152 01:02:01,301 --> 01:02:03,386 and so because famous people were, 1153 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,473 the rest of people followed and it just grew 1154 01:02:06,765 --> 01:02:08,016 and grew and grew from there. 1155 01:02:08,308 --> 01:02:12,145 - And it's not like everybody knew a spiritus medium 1156 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:15,732 or knew a pagan, but everybody knew someone 1157 01:02:16,024 --> 01:02:17,943 who knew a pagan. - Lonely, 1158 01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:20,820 Diana desired another. 1159 01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:24,282 That desire became the dawn. 1160 01:02:25,242 --> 01:02:30,121 And from the dawn came the son, Lucifer, the God of Light. 1161 01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:33,208 (ominous music) 1162 01:02:35,168 --> 01:02:38,797 - Pagan and sort of folk culture is very much part 1163 01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:40,215 of where I'm from. 1164 01:02:40,507 --> 01:02:43,009 Like when I was at school, we'd do, quote unquote, 1165 01:02:43,301 --> 01:02:44,970 country dancing, which was the sort of thing 1166 01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,389 you see in "The Wicker Man", where we'd go out 1167 01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:49,140 and we'd dance around the maypole. 1168 01:02:49,432 --> 01:02:52,560 Christian festivals like Candlemas and Harvest Festival 1169 01:02:52,852 --> 01:02:55,939 were intertwined with these sort of folk customs. 1170 01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:59,317 So it was very much part of the local culture 1171 01:02:59,609 --> 01:03:02,779 to integrate these two things, because traditionally, 1172 01:03:03,071 --> 01:03:06,700 Christianity and paganism have always been sort of mesh. 1173 01:03:06,992 --> 01:03:10,287 (bell chiming) - And so, 1174 01:03:10,578 --> 01:03:14,416 at this time of fulfillment of the country year, 1175 01:03:14,708 --> 01:03:18,628 let our thoughts return to that one source 1176 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,756 from which all good gifts come from, 1177 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:26,261 to bring it forth once more in the spring 1178 01:03:26,553 --> 01:03:29,931 when the green shoots pierce the Earth. 1179 01:03:30,223 --> 01:03:33,601 In praise of the only bigoter 1180 01:03:33,893 --> 01:03:37,897 of all held goodness. - This cup 1181 01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:39,691 is the new covenant in my blood. 1182 01:03:41,026 --> 01:03:43,236 This oft as you drink it in remembrance of me. 1183 01:03:44,237 --> 01:03:48,450 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this wine, 1184 01:03:50,243 --> 01:03:51,703 you do show the Lord's death 1185 01:03:53,038 --> 01:03:56,291 (gentle suspenseful music) till he comes again. 1186 01:03:56,583 --> 01:03:58,877 - For the 1973 film, "The Wicker Man", 1187 01:03:59,878 --> 01:04:03,423 director Robin Hardy and script writer Anthony Shaffer 1188 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:06,301 researched with books such as "The White Goddess" 1189 01:04:06,593 --> 01:04:10,972 by Robert Graves and "The Golden Bough" by James Frazer. 1190 01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:15,894 Now, these books have since been questioned by academics 1191 01:04:16,186 --> 01:04:20,982 and scholars as to the authenticity of the folk customs 1192 01:04:21,691 --> 01:04:24,569 and religious rites which are contained within the books. 1193 01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:28,156 You have certain things such as the Mummers Parade, 1194 01:04:28,448 --> 01:04:30,408 you have the Hand of Glory. 1195 01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:32,619 You have "The Wicker Man" itself, 1196 01:04:32,911 --> 01:04:37,540 the existence of which was quoted in Roman times 1197 01:04:37,832 --> 01:04:40,627 by Roman invaders and it still isn't known 1198 01:04:40,919 --> 01:04:43,129 whether it was a clever piece of propaganda 1199 01:04:43,421 --> 01:04:47,801 or whether people in the Celtic and Gaeilge countries 1200 01:04:48,093 --> 01:04:51,262 did actually burn animals and possibly other people 1201 01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:56,351 as sacrifices within giant humanoid wicker structures. 1202 01:04:58,228 --> 01:05:00,730 - Of course, the difficulty is there's no Bible 1203 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:02,690 of what these customs were. 1204 01:05:02,982 --> 01:05:07,695 So often you're connecting it with revived or reinvented 1205 01:05:07,987 --> 01:05:10,407 customs via modern witchcraft, 1206 01:05:10,698 --> 01:05:13,076 and people like Doreen Valiente, who was, you know, 1207 01:05:13,368 --> 01:05:16,746 the doyen of what we think as traditional things that, 1208 01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:18,498 well, they had their roots in tradition, 1209 01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:20,166 but they were invented. 1210 01:05:20,458 --> 01:05:23,586 But movies will always need to go for what looks good 1211 01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:27,173 on screen, so they may well play their own game. 1212 01:05:27,465 --> 01:05:29,801 And sometimes it's frustrating for a folklorist 1213 01:05:30,093 --> 01:05:34,013 because what it says in the movie becomes the folklore. 1214 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:36,099 - What's this? - Tell me, 1215 01:05:37,475 --> 01:05:40,979 do you believe in magic? (ominous music) 1216 01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:53,324 You also have films such as Robert Eggers' “The Witch,” 1217 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:57,704 which I love for the elements of witchcraft 1218 01:05:57,996 --> 01:06:01,207 that have not appeared in film beforehand. 1219 01:06:01,499 --> 01:06:04,335 The things such as the transformation into a hare. 1220 01:06:09,424 --> 01:06:14,012 - The hare is a huge part of folklore in Western Europe, 1221 01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:16,764 particularly the British Isles, 1222 01:06:17,056 --> 01:06:19,601 but we don't really have hares, 1223 01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:21,519 you know, there's jackrabbits out West 1224 01:06:21,811 --> 01:06:23,563 in American mythology, but in New England, 1225 01:06:23,855 --> 01:06:27,317 we didn't really have that, so that whole line 1226 01:06:27,609 --> 01:06:29,694 was lost. - The pulverizing 1227 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:32,780 of a baby's body to make flying ointment, 1228 01:06:33,072 --> 01:06:36,659 the signing the "Book of Shadows", things like this 1229 01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:40,788 relates to stuff such as "The Malia Smell for Kamon", 1230 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,916 and "The Discovery of Witches". 1231 01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:46,836 (tense music) - Witches is one area 1232 01:06:47,128 --> 01:06:50,131 where we do have more of a folk horror tradition 1233 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:52,634 in the United States because of the Salem witch trials. 1234 01:06:52,926 --> 01:06:56,971 And because the Puritans wrote everything down, 1235 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,265 New England was the most literate place 1236 01:06:59,557 --> 01:07:01,851 in the Western world in the 17th century, 1237 01:07:02,143 --> 01:07:05,980 you know, Cotton Mather being one of, you know, 1238 01:07:06,272 --> 01:07:08,525 tons and tons and tons of Puritans who were obsessive 1239 01:07:08,816 --> 01:07:09,984 about writing things down. 1240 01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:11,402 - "Memorable Providences, 1241 01:07:11,694 --> 01:07:14,948 Relating to Witchcraft and Possession” by Cotton Mather. 1242 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,282 I read from it all the time. 1243 01:07:16,574 --> 01:07:20,286 - The witch is a source of persistent fascination 1244 01:07:20,578 --> 01:07:23,206 and consternation throughout the world. 1245 01:07:23,498 --> 01:07:26,334 This is true in Africa, this is true in Europe, 1246 01:07:26,626 --> 01:07:28,211 this is true in the South Pacific, 1247 01:07:28,503 --> 01:07:30,797 and this is true in the United States. 1248 01:07:31,089 --> 01:07:33,424 And it really begs questions 1249 01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:38,346 about how uncomfortable humanity as a whole 1250 01:07:38,638 --> 01:07:41,432 has been with feminine power. 1251 01:07:41,724 --> 01:07:43,893 - I think as well because of the sort of feminist readings 1252 01:07:44,185 --> 01:07:46,729 you can make of folk horror, specifically, 1253 01:07:47,021 --> 01:07:50,316 because of the witch figure, and goddesses, 1254 01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:52,110 and this connection to femininity. 1255 01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:55,071 - And I think that's reflected also in "Night of the Eagle”, 1256 01:07:55,363 --> 01:07:56,864 which is a film with Peter Wyngarde, 1257 01:07:57,156 --> 01:07:58,950 also about a sort of very rational guy 1258 01:07:59,242 --> 01:08:01,244 who's a college lecturer, but his wife 1259 01:08:01,536 --> 01:08:03,830 has been doing witchcraft to sort of protect 1260 01:08:04,122 --> 01:08:05,081 his position at the school. 1261 01:08:05,373 --> 01:08:07,166 And he says, "That's stupid, we shouldn't use 1262 01:08:07,458 --> 01:08:09,335 witchcraft anymore, we're modern, we're rational.” 1263 01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:12,088 And she stopped from doing this witchcraft stuff 1264 01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:14,090 and then bad stuff starts to happen to him. 1265 01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:16,259 So it's this sense that even though he's rational, 1266 01:08:16,551 --> 01:08:18,636 even though he chooses not to believe in it, 1267 01:08:18,928 --> 01:08:21,264 maybe the old forces still have power. 1268 01:08:21,556 --> 01:08:22,140 (ominous music) - I want some 1269 01:08:22,432 --> 01:08:25,226 kind of explanation. - Isn't it obvious? 1270 01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:30,481 I'm a witch. (dramatic music) 1271 01:08:30,773 --> 01:08:33,276 - When we think of horror cinematically, 1272 01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,737 we're looking at a male dominated genre from there, 1273 01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:38,364 we're looking at the Draculas, the Frankensteins, 1274 01:08:38,656 --> 01:08:40,241 you know, and that sort of thing. 1275 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,285 And then by the time it gets to the '60s, 1276 01:08:42,577 --> 01:08:45,872 we start to see more powerful female characters, 1277 01:08:46,164 --> 01:08:47,290 things in like Hammers' "The Witches." 1278 01:08:47,582 --> 01:08:50,668 - We have all these different figures 1279 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,086 that we're fascinated with, 1280 01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:55,548 the zombie, the vampire, the werewolf. 1281 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,634 We're fascinated with issues of reincarnation, 1282 01:08:57,925 --> 01:09:00,011 all these things that touch upon the supernatural, 1283 01:09:00,303 --> 01:09:01,888 but none like the witch. 1284 01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:05,475 And that puts us in front of a huge question. 1285 01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:07,935 - When you look at traditionally witches, 1286 01:09:08,227 --> 01:09:10,063 we have this idea of the hag, 1287 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:12,440 this old woman, the medicine bringer, 1288 01:09:12,732 --> 01:09:14,942 traditionally, she would have been the midwife, the doctor, 1289 01:09:15,234 --> 01:09:17,570 she would have had a purpose in the community. 1290 01:09:17,862 --> 01:09:18,905 She would have had power. 1291 01:09:19,197 --> 01:09:22,575 - It's impossible to understand the development 1292 01:09:22,867 --> 01:09:27,205 of the Suffragist Movement in America 1293 01:09:27,497 --> 01:09:32,293 without understanding how it was intertwined in its DNA 1294 01:09:32,627 --> 01:09:37,548 with American occultism, the two were absolutely joined. 1295 01:09:37,924 --> 01:09:41,886 - In the 1800s when you had occult belief 1296 01:09:42,178 --> 01:09:44,138 and occult activity become more prominent, 1297 01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,892 you saw prominent female figures holding high ranking, 1298 01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:50,019 well, look at Madame Blavatsky, 1299 01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:52,689 she founded the Theosophical Society. 1300 01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:55,191 You know, high priestesses like Moina Mathers, 1301 01:09:55,483 --> 01:09:58,361 who came out of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. 1302 01:09:58,653 --> 01:10:00,905 - The earliest spirit mediums, when the movement 1303 01:10:01,197 --> 01:10:04,367 of spiritualism swept the country, were women. 1304 01:10:04,659 --> 01:10:09,455 And this became the first time in modern life 1305 01:10:09,956 --> 01:10:13,584 that women could serve as religious leaders 1306 01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:16,295 of a certain sort. - And I think 1307 01:10:16,587 --> 01:10:18,214 it's this thing of women having power 1308 01:10:18,506 --> 01:10:22,468 that makes it so scary. - "The Witch" represents 1309 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:27,515 men's fears, and fantasies, and ambivalences about women 1310 01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:31,310 and female power and female sexuality. 1311 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:33,688 You know, she also embodies women's own fears 1312 01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:37,024 and anxieties about their power in themselves 1313 01:10:37,316 --> 01:10:39,986 in a male dominated society, to some extent, 1314 01:10:40,278 --> 01:10:43,406 certainly that's what the like evil fairy tale witch is. 1315 01:10:43,698 --> 01:10:46,409 (slow tense music) 1316 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:55,168 - Even if you look at something like Benjamin Christensen's 1317 01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:58,254 silent film "Haxan", there's this connection 1318 01:10:58,546 --> 01:11:00,631 between mental illness and witchcraft. 1319 01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:04,969 And he sort of points out this idea that maybe these figures 1320 01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:07,180 aren't evil, maybe they're not supernatural, 1321 01:11:07,472 --> 01:11:10,725 maybe they're just different for a wide variety of reasons. 1322 01:11:11,017 --> 01:11:13,269 And I think, to me, that's the common thread 1323 01:11:13,561 --> 01:11:17,106 is this female type that's existing outside 1324 01:11:17,398 --> 01:11:20,568 of what is expected of her and what she's supposed to be. 1325 01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:24,489 We all have things that have become our folk traditions. 1326 01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:26,199 - When we get to the '80s and '90s, 1327 01:11:26,491 --> 01:11:28,618 the witches become "Girl Power", 1328 01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:30,620 it's become "The Witches of Eastwick", 1329 01:11:30,912 --> 01:11:31,996 it's become "The Craft". 1330 01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:35,416 It's become cool to be this powerful witchy figure. 1331 01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:38,419 - You know, 'cause we are marvelous 1332 01:11:38,711 --> 01:11:40,797 because we all still the renegades, 1333 01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:42,632 and we're happy to be the renegades. 1334 01:11:42,924 --> 01:11:44,592 I don't wanna be respectful, thank you very much. 1335 01:11:44,884 --> 01:11:46,969 - You girls watch out for those weirdos. 1336 01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:49,305 - (scoffs) We are the weirdos, Mister. 1337 01:11:51,349 --> 01:11:52,892 (dramatic music) (bus door thuds) 1338 01:11:53,184 --> 01:11:56,646 - So I think that's why the witch, of all monsters, 1339 01:11:56,938 --> 01:11:59,524 is the most dangerous because she represents 1340 01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:02,401 feminine world takeover. (laughs) 1341 01:12:03,736 --> 01:12:08,658 (dramatic suspenseful music) (Thomasin cackles) 1342 01:12:18,251 --> 01:12:22,255 (tense suspenseful music) 1343 01:12:22,547 --> 01:12:24,924 (fire blazing) 1344 01:12:31,138 --> 01:12:33,558 - It's impossible to really understand the history 1345 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:35,852 of this country, unless one understands 1346 01:12:36,143 --> 01:12:39,146 that religious experimentation, religious radicalism 1347 01:12:39,438 --> 01:12:42,358 was there at its very, very root. 1348 01:12:44,026 --> 01:12:48,239 Going back to the 1600s, the US Colonies 1349 01:12:48,531 --> 01:12:51,117 were considered a safe harbor for people 1350 01:12:51,409 --> 01:12:53,828 with radical religious beliefs, 1351 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,082 all kinds of different little mystical Christian grouplets 1352 01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,042 from throughout Europe. 1353 01:13:00,334 --> 01:13:03,421 And that inspired people to found their own colonies, 1354 01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:06,299 and very early on, very early on 1355 01:13:06,591 --> 01:13:10,511 in American colonial history, you start to hear about things 1356 01:13:10,803 --> 01:13:14,515 that we later came to call seances, and channeling, 1357 01:13:14,807 --> 01:13:18,895 and mediums, and people were sort of branching off 1358 01:13:19,186 --> 01:13:20,855 into these little grouplets. 1359 01:13:21,147 --> 01:13:23,232 It was a very, very rural country. 1360 01:13:23,524 --> 01:13:26,235 You really had very little social life 1361 01:13:26,527 --> 01:13:30,364 outside of farm, trade, and church, 1362 01:13:30,656 --> 01:13:35,453 and people would experiment. (spooky ominous music) 1363 01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:45,046 They would form either into preexisting fraternal orders, 1364 01:13:45,338 --> 01:13:47,757 like Freemasonry, or they would form 1365 01:13:48,049 --> 01:13:49,383 their own little colonies. 1366 01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:52,511 (calm upbeat music) - Mr. Will said 1367 01:13:52,803 --> 01:13:56,599 we'd start our own settlement in the promised land. 1368 01:13:57,558 --> 01:13:59,769 He said, if we just floated down the river, 1369 01:14:00,061 --> 01:14:03,356 it would find us. (birds chirping) 1370 01:14:04,565 --> 01:14:07,652 - I first used the term folk horror in 2006 1371 01:14:07,944 --> 01:14:09,862 when I was writing a book called "American Gothic", 1372 01:14:10,154 --> 01:14:14,325 and on that occasion, I referred to a 1923 silent film 1373 01:14:14,617 --> 01:14:17,828 called "Puritan Passions" as folk horror. 1374 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,246 And that film is now lost, 1375 01:14:19,538 --> 01:14:22,750 but it was based on stories by Nathaniel Hawthorne, 1376 01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:26,253 who was a 19th century contemporary of Edgar Allen Poe's. 1377 01:14:26,545 --> 01:14:28,047 And they had a very personal stake 1378 01:14:28,339 --> 01:14:30,800 in America's ancestral folk horror, if you like, 1379 01:14:31,092 --> 01:14:33,052 in that one of his ancestors had been a judge 1380 01:14:33,344 --> 01:14:36,305 at the Salem witch trials. - Fasten your seatbelts, 1381 01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:38,933 everybody, Harold is about to conduct another one 1382 01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:41,602 of his tours to the 17th century. 1383 01:14:41,894 --> 01:14:44,605 - 17th century, that was in the Puritan times, wasn't it? 1384 01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:47,608 (witches cackling) 1385 01:14:53,155 --> 01:14:55,199 - The horror trope of the small town 1386 01:14:55,491 --> 01:14:58,244 hiding a terrible secret is influenced very much 1387 01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:00,621 by the Puritan legacy and by the legacy 1388 01:15:00,913 --> 01:15:03,165 of the Salem witch trials in particular. 1389 01:15:03,457 --> 01:15:05,960 And I think that perhaps the deepest disquiet of all 1390 01:15:06,252 --> 01:15:08,504 comes from the recognition that the community 1391 01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:10,798 in the wilderness could turn against itself 1392 01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:13,175 with really frightening speed. 1393 01:15:13,467 --> 01:15:16,012 - Kill, Kill, kill, kill. - Now, the specter 1394 01:15:16,303 --> 01:15:17,346 of the colony that fields 1395 01:15:17,638 --> 01:15:19,807 is one of the most powerful anxieties 1396 01:15:20,099 --> 01:15:21,142 in the American psyche. 1397 01:15:21,434 --> 01:15:24,145 And it manifests itself time and time again 1398 01:15:24,437 --> 01:15:27,314 in the rural gothic and in folk horror. 1399 01:15:27,606 --> 01:15:30,651 - Most American horror, American gothic, think Stephen King, 1400 01:15:30,943 --> 01:15:35,239 has its roots in the same European witchcraft anxiety, 1401 01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:38,701 so ""Salem's Lot", you know, "Pet Sematary”, 1402 01:15:38,993 --> 01:15:40,995 although “Pet Semetary” has its First Nations, 1403 01:15:41,287 --> 01:15:42,872 Native American narrative, too. 1404 01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:46,751 - Yeah, so the Puritans are weird. (laughs) 1405 01:15:47,043 --> 01:15:49,628 They believed a lot of weird stuff. 1406 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,339 When they arrived to the Americas, they thought 1407 01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:55,342 the New England colonies would be like paradise. 1408 01:15:55,634 --> 01:15:58,054 And so when they realized that there were other people here 1409 01:15:58,345 --> 01:16:00,556 that had been here for many, many years before, 1410 01:16:00,848 --> 01:16:04,769 they basically read them as like manifestations of Satan. 1411 01:16:05,061 --> 01:16:07,855 And so Native Americans, according to Puritans, 1412 01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:11,150 were put on this earth to basically test them. 1413 01:16:12,068 --> 01:16:14,070 As we get into the development 1414 01:16:14,361 --> 01:16:17,239 of like an American literary tradition, 1415 01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:19,366 we get indigenous ghosts. 1416 01:16:19,658 --> 01:16:21,994 It renders indigenous people as sort of inevitably 1417 01:16:22,286 --> 01:16:25,247 going to disappear as like a sort of ontological status 1418 01:16:25,539 --> 01:16:27,541 of indigenous people, just like something that is part 1419 01:16:27,833 --> 01:16:29,585 of their being, that's inevitably going to happen. 1420 01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,796 - No! - And not that 1421 01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:33,631 indigenous people are disappearing 1422 01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:37,760 because of intentional actions by white settlers 1423 01:16:38,052 --> 01:16:40,596 that destroyed their cities, and their lands, 1424 01:16:40,888 --> 01:16:42,848 and their languages, and disrupted families. 1425 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:47,103 So it sort of takes some of the guilt off of settlers. 1426 01:16:47,394 --> 01:16:50,272 It sort of, obviously, others indigenous people, 1427 01:16:50,564 --> 01:16:53,818 and they're so other that they're like other worldly. 1428 01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:56,904 We're all ghosts, we have these mystical magical powers, 1429 01:16:57,196 --> 01:17:01,992 we can return and give you our knowledge or haunt you, 1430 01:17:02,326 --> 01:17:04,829 you know, indigenous stories matter, 1431 01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:08,082 but indigenous people don't matter in this framework. 1432 01:17:08,374 --> 01:17:10,751 It's that, you know, we want all of the the good stuff 1433 01:17:11,043 --> 01:17:13,295 that your cultures have, like your knowledge, 1434 01:17:13,587 --> 01:17:16,590 and your practices, and your sort of ability 1435 01:17:16,882 --> 01:17:17,967 to navigate the environment, 1436 01:17:18,259 --> 01:17:20,261 and be good caretakers of the environment. 1437 01:17:20,553 --> 01:17:22,346 But we don't want you. 1438 01:17:22,638 --> 01:17:24,515 - A few years ago, (suspenseful music) 1439 01:17:24,807 --> 01:17:27,101 There was millions of Indians, see, 1440 01:17:27,393 --> 01:17:30,187 they covered this land like buffaloes, 1441 01:17:31,272 --> 01:17:32,523 living their Indian ways, 1442 01:17:32,815 --> 01:17:36,318 and practicing their strange tribal rights. 1443 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:39,822 Tribes varied as they would do, but one hard and fast rule 1444 01:17:40,114 --> 01:17:41,824 known to damn near every white man 1445 01:17:42,116 --> 01:17:45,244 was that you don't go kicking around their cemeteries 1446 01:17:45,536 --> 01:17:47,621 because that's sacred ground. 1447 01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:51,292 - Look, there's no such thing as an Indian burial ground. 1448 01:17:53,294 --> 01:17:57,214 So full stop, let's start with that. 1449 01:17:57,506 --> 01:18:00,301 So when I think of the Indian burial ground in movies, 1450 01:18:00,593 --> 01:18:02,887 I think of a plot device, I think of something, 1451 01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:06,807 a figment of the Western imagination. 1452 01:18:07,099 --> 01:18:09,101 - Construction started in 1907. 1453 01:18:09,393 --> 01:18:10,519 It was finished in 1909. 1454 01:18:11,729 --> 01:18:12,980 This site is supposed to be located 1455 01:18:13,272 --> 01:18:14,315 on an Indian burial ground, 1456 01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:16,150 and I believe they actually had to repel 1457 01:18:16,442 --> 01:18:19,195 a few Indian attacks as they were building it. 1458 01:18:19,486 --> 01:18:20,029 (tense music) - Well, 1459 01:18:20,321 --> 01:18:21,530 there's Ojibwe burial grounds, 1460 01:18:21,822 --> 01:18:24,742 there's Mohawk burial grounds, there's Cree burial grounds... 1461 01:18:25,034 --> 01:18:26,202 These are not Indian burial grounds. 1462 01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:31,290 When you reduce a multinational people into Indian, 1463 01:18:31,624 --> 01:18:35,961 which is what Hollywood has done pretty effectively 1464 01:18:36,253 --> 01:18:39,215 for, you know, its entire history, 1465 01:18:39,506 --> 01:18:41,091 you know, you're working in fiction. 1466 01:18:42,051 --> 01:18:44,637 (Creep howling) 1467 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:47,139 (tense suspenseful music) - This was 1468 01:18:47,431 --> 01:18:52,770 their burial ground. - Who's burial ground? 1469 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,232 - Micmac Indians. - The Indian 1470 01:18:56,523 --> 01:18:57,441 burial ground trope in fiction 1471 01:18:57,733 --> 01:18:59,109 goes back to the 18th century, 1472 01:18:59,401 --> 01:19:01,362 but when Stephen King was writing "Pet Sematary”, 1473 01:19:01,654 --> 01:19:02,696 Jimmy Carter had just signed 1474 01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:04,740 the Maine Indian Claims Settlement Act 1475 01:19:05,032 --> 01:19:08,702 after a decade long, highly publicized legal battle. 1476 01:19:08,994 --> 01:19:12,414 And controversy over the ownership of indigenous land, 1477 01:19:12,706 --> 01:19:15,000 artifacts, and remains was a focal point 1478 01:19:15,292 --> 01:19:17,753 in 1970s indigenous activism. 1479 01:19:18,045 --> 01:19:21,173 - We don't wanna be a Canadian citizen. 1480 01:19:22,883 --> 01:19:25,386 We don't wanna be an American citizen. 1481 01:19:25,678 --> 01:19:27,137 We feel this way because we think 1482 01:19:27,429 --> 01:19:29,139 that this reservation is ours, 1483 01:19:30,057 --> 01:19:31,976 and it does not belong to the white man. 1484 01:19:33,018 --> 01:19:34,687 That's the only part we still have left. 1485 01:19:34,979 --> 01:19:36,981 - They got no right here on our reservation. 1486 01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:40,150 - Both America and Canada, you know, 1487 01:19:40,442 --> 01:19:42,945 are functionally illegal nation states 1488 01:19:43,237 --> 01:19:46,031 that exist through broken treaties between other nations 1489 01:19:46,323 --> 01:19:48,200 that predate them by millennia. 1490 01:19:48,492 --> 01:19:53,289 So there's always gonna be an anxiety in those places, 1491 01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:56,208 whether they actually would recognize it consciously, 1492 01:19:56,500 --> 01:20:00,129 they're actually deeply, deeply aware of the violence 1493 01:20:00,421 --> 01:20:05,217 and oppression that was necessary for them to exist. 1494 01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:08,887 (ominous music) 1495 01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:12,099 You know, I think a lot of American horror movies 1496 01:20:12,391 --> 01:20:16,895 are actually informed by the colonial history of America 1497 01:20:17,187 --> 01:20:20,107 in that the thing that colonial states 1498 01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:24,361 fear the most is to be colonized. 1499 01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:28,490 When we talk about that, the fear that it generates 1500 01:20:28,782 --> 01:20:31,160 in non-indigenous people boils down 1501 01:20:31,452 --> 01:20:34,079 to this sort of innate feeling that someone 1502 01:20:34,371 --> 01:20:36,206 is gonna come and take your home from you. 1503 01:20:36,498 --> 01:20:39,335 And what do most Indian burial ground movies involve? 1504 01:20:39,626 --> 01:20:40,919 Someone building their house on top 1505 01:20:41,211 --> 01:20:42,004 of an Indian burial ground. 1506 01:20:42,296 --> 01:20:44,882 - You're living on some sort of special ground, 1507 01:20:47,051 --> 01:20:51,972 devil worship, death, sacrifice. 1508 01:20:53,932 --> 01:20:57,644 George, there's one simple rule. 1509 01:20:58,896 --> 01:21:00,981 Energy cannot be created or destroyed, 1510 01:21:01,273 --> 01:21:02,983 it can only change forms. 1511 01:21:03,275 --> 01:21:07,112 (ominous music) - As more indigenous people 1512 01:21:07,404 --> 01:21:11,367 start to make movies, I think then we'll start to see 1513 01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:13,535 a greater representation. 1514 01:21:41,522 --> 01:21:44,483 (dramatic music) 1515 01:21:44,775 --> 01:21:45,442 - I'll tell you one other thing 1516 01:21:45,734 --> 01:21:47,528 about the Indian burial ground though, 1517 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:51,824 that I sort of like it because if non-indigenous people 1518 01:21:52,116 --> 01:21:54,368 are gonna be afraid of the Indian burial ground, 1519 01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:56,495 then I got some news for ya, 1520 01:21:56,787 --> 01:21:58,747 it's all an Indian burial ground. 1521 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:04,336 (calm upbeat music) - As the site 1522 01:22:04,628 --> 01:22:06,463 of the white settlers ancestral horror, 1523 01:22:06,755 --> 01:22:08,674 we return to New England again and again 1524 01:22:08,966 --> 01:22:11,260 throughout the history of American horror fiction. 1525 01:22:13,887 --> 01:22:15,764 - Washington Irving's "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow", 1526 01:22:16,056 --> 01:22:17,599 I mean, there's film adaptations of that 1527 01:22:17,891 --> 01:22:22,438 going back as far as 1922. (gentle suspenseful music) 1528 01:22:29,236 --> 01:22:34,158 (wind whistling) (ocean whooshing) 1529 01:22:34,450 --> 01:22:37,035 There's definitely a tradition of folk horror in America, 1530 01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:40,372 also in things that utilize stories of shipwrecks 1531 01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:44,126 and Mariners Ghost. (dramatic music) 1532 01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:50,424 - I would have to include remarkable films 1533 01:22:50,716 --> 01:22:52,134 like "All That Money Can Buy" as well, 1534 01:22:52,426 --> 01:22:54,136 which was made by RKO in 9041, 1535 01:22:54,428 --> 01:22:56,847 known under various titles, "The Devil and Daniel Webster", 1536 01:22:57,139 --> 01:22:58,307 or "Daniel and the Devil", 1537 01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:02,102 in which an impecunious rural farmer 1538 01:23:02,394 --> 01:23:05,481 is given the opportunity to improve his station in life 1539 01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:08,192 by a character called Mr. Scratch. 1540 01:23:08,484 --> 01:23:11,612 And it's not very difficult to work out who Mr. Scratch is. 1541 01:23:11,904 --> 01:23:14,531 (tense suspenseful music) 1542 01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:17,910 - Doug, sort fire. (sea screaming) 1543 01:23:18,202 --> 01:23:21,205 - I mean, like even Lovecraft flirts with folk horror, 1544 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:25,125 but with his own mythos it becomes like bogged down 1545 01:23:25,417 --> 01:23:28,504 in a lot of occulty specificity 1546 01:23:28,795 --> 01:23:31,256 that I think makes it no longer folk horror. 1547 01:23:31,548 --> 01:23:34,760 - Obviously, in Lovecraft, there was no, you know, 1548 01:23:35,052 --> 01:23:38,680 in a way was much more accepted as a religious discourse, 1549 01:23:38,972 --> 01:23:39,890 if you want to call it that. 1550 01:23:40,182 --> 01:23:41,308 But ultimately the Old Gods, you know, 1551 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,145 there were Old Gods of some other tradition. 1552 01:23:45,437 --> 01:23:48,690 (dramatic ominous music) 1553 01:24:00,077 --> 01:24:01,870 (gentle chimes) - Lovecraft's genius 1554 01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:04,164 was his capacity to create 1555 01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:08,877 this internally consistent self-sustaining world, 1556 01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:13,799 in which the gaslit certainties of the Victorian Age 1557 01:24:14,091 --> 01:24:17,052 were being challenged by the re-emergence 1558 01:24:17,344 --> 01:24:19,429 of these primordial gods. 1559 01:24:19,721 --> 01:24:21,098 (dramatic music) (girl screaming) 1560 01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:23,934 (wings flapping) 1561 01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:34,152 (tense music) - So the writing 1562 01:24:34,444 --> 01:24:36,363 of H.P. Lovecraft, in particular, 1563 01:24:36,655 --> 01:24:38,907 often featured these very fraught encounters 1564 01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:43,161 between unwary travelers and degenerate country folk. 1565 01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:46,999 (dramatic suspenseful music) 1566 01:24:51,962 --> 01:24:54,298 In his tremendously creepy, another story of his 1567 01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:56,008 called "The Picture of the House", 1568 01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:58,885 the narrator even urges, I think he uses the phrase, 1569 01:24:59,177 --> 01:25:02,681 "The true epicure in the terrible to esteem”, as he puts it, 1570 01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:06,476 “the ancient, lonely farmhouses of New England.” 1571 01:25:06,768 --> 01:25:07,853 And this is a story that concludes 1572 01:25:08,145 --> 01:25:11,565 with this incredibly tense and sort of horrific revelation 1573 01:25:11,857 --> 01:25:14,860 of pagan ritual and cannibalistic practices, 1574 01:25:15,152 --> 01:25:17,279 which have been, of course, this is Lovecraft, 1575 01:25:17,571 --> 01:25:20,866 imported overseas to a New England rural setting. 1576 01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:33,920 - All right, fellas. - To me, 1577 01:25:34,212 --> 01:25:37,758 the real, sort of, like, proto folk horror tale 1578 01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:39,217 is Shirley Jackson's 1579 01:25:39,509 --> 01:25:41,595 "The Lottery." - Acts of communal 1580 01:25:41,887 --> 01:25:44,056 togetherness in Shirley Jackson's work 1581 01:25:44,348 --> 01:25:47,225 actually relatively often involve mob violence 1582 01:25:47,517 --> 01:25:49,478 or the fear of mob violence. 1583 01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:52,856 - It's Tessie. - I think it could be argued 1584 01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:56,693 that her close-knit rural communities are never more united 1585 01:25:56,985 --> 01:25:59,780 than when they close ranks against an outsider. 1586 01:26:00,072 --> 01:26:02,240 This is very much the case, of course, in her final novel, 1587 01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:04,159 "We Have Always Lived in the Castle", but, you know, 1588 01:26:04,451 --> 01:26:06,119 most famously of all in "The Lottery" 1589 01:26:06,411 --> 01:26:09,081 where the ultimately sort of sacrificial victim 1590 01:26:09,373 --> 01:26:11,833 Tessie Hutchinson becomes a symbolic outsider 1591 01:26:12,125 --> 01:26:14,670 through this random act of selection. 1592 01:26:14,961 --> 01:26:16,755 But as critics, such as for instance 1593 01:26:17,047 --> 01:26:19,758 a guy called Fritz Oehlshlaeger who was writing in 1988, 1594 01:26:20,050 --> 01:26:22,052 have pointed out Tessie's fate 1595 01:26:22,344 --> 01:26:26,056 is actually potentially telegraphed by her name. 1596 01:26:26,348 --> 01:26:30,894 In 1637, a woman named Anne Hutchinson was forcibly expelled 1597 01:26:31,186 --> 01:26:34,898 from the Massachusetts Colony for her antinomian beliefs. 1598 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:38,985 And so Hutchinson is a name associated with female rebellion 1599 01:26:39,277 --> 01:26:40,904 and punishment within the wider context 1600 01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:42,864 of New England history. 1601 01:26:43,156 --> 01:26:44,866 So whilst the ritual carried out 1602 01:26:45,158 --> 01:26:46,243 at the climax of "The Lottery" 1603 01:26:46,535 --> 01:26:48,370 might seem to have little initial connection 1604 01:26:48,662 --> 01:26:51,665 to Christianity, both the method of execution, 1605 01:26:51,957 --> 01:26:55,043 which is of course stoning, and the name of the scapegoat, 1606 01:26:55,335 --> 01:26:58,630 Hutchinson, suggests this link between pagan ritual 1607 01:26:58,922 --> 01:27:02,217 and the Christian appropriation of such rights. 1608 01:27:02,509 --> 01:27:04,428 - There's always been a lottery. 1609 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,097 (upbeat music) 1610 01:27:13,603 --> 01:27:15,272 - Is this your land? - Yeah. 1611 01:27:15,564 --> 01:27:17,441 - How come you don't use machinery? 1612 01:27:17,733 --> 01:27:20,193 - Against the ways. - Religious ways? 1613 01:27:20,485 --> 01:27:22,988 - Nah, just tradition. - There would be films 1614 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:28,076 such as television serial of Thomas Tryon's "Harvest Home", 1615 01:27:28,618 --> 01:27:29,828 which was given the name 1616 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,291 of "The Dark Secret of Harvest Home", featuring Bette Davis. 1617 01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:36,626 (choir singing) - Thomas Tryon's novel 1618 01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:40,297 "Harvest Home" is set in an ancient New English village, 1619 01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:42,591 as it's called in the novel, whose residents, 1620 01:27:42,883 --> 01:27:45,177 like Shirley Jackson's town folk in "The Lottery", 1621 01:27:45,469 --> 01:27:48,764 have a very unusual way of ensuring a good harvest. 1622 01:27:49,055 --> 01:27:53,351 - And so it will continue forever, the eternal return. 1623 01:27:53,643 --> 01:27:56,229 (bell chiming) - I would argue 1624 01:27:56,521 --> 01:27:57,939 that Tryon's novel can be read 1625 01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:01,985 in part as a kind of reflection of contemporary male anxiety 1626 01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,653 about the rise of feminism. 1627 01:28:03,945 --> 01:28:06,740 We're talking about the early 1970s here after all. 1628 01:28:07,032 --> 01:28:08,950 At the climax of the novel, the family breadwinner 1629 01:28:09,242 --> 01:28:10,869 ends up thoroughly emasculated, 1630 01:28:11,161 --> 01:28:12,871 both literally and thematically. 1631 01:28:13,163 --> 01:28:14,539 And, of course, the women in his life, 1632 01:28:14,831 --> 01:28:17,626 his wife and his daughter, both end up very happily 1633 01:28:17,918 --> 01:28:20,253 embracing the old matriarchal ways. 1634 01:28:20,545 --> 01:28:23,006 - Make it harm, make it harm, make it harm. 1635 01:28:23,298 --> 01:28:26,092 (upbeat rock music) 1636 01:28:27,969 --> 01:28:31,139 - The time when folk horror was having its first wave 1637 01:28:31,431 --> 01:28:32,933 in the '70s, also coincided with a time 1638 01:28:33,225 --> 01:28:34,976 when a lot of alternative religions 1639 01:28:35,268 --> 01:28:37,979 were forming communities. - If what I have to say 1640 01:28:38,271 --> 01:28:42,067 to you is true, you see where being in such a family 1641 01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:45,695 benefits you. - Utopianism is embedded 1642 01:28:45,987 --> 01:28:48,406 in the very fabric of the American dream 1643 01:28:48,698 --> 01:28:50,826 and these kinds of communal experiments flourished 1644 01:28:51,117 --> 01:28:53,620 in the United States as they did nowhere else. 1645 01:28:53,912 --> 01:28:56,373 (women sobbing) 1646 01:29:05,674 --> 01:29:08,677 (women screaming) 1647 01:29:08,969 --> 01:29:10,345 - “Midsommar” is set in Scandinavia, 1648 01:29:10,637 --> 01:29:13,181 but it's an American film and it's deeply informed 1649 01:29:13,473 --> 01:29:16,935 by the anxiety around cults in America. 1650 01:29:17,227 --> 01:29:19,855 The conflict isn't really between like a new religion 1651 01:29:20,146 --> 01:29:23,400 and an old religion, as much as it's about societal norms, 1652 01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,444 about intimacy, and support, and grieving. 1653 01:29:26,736 --> 01:29:31,533 And the way that modern society does not really leave space 1654 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:34,411 and time for people to grieve properly. 1655 01:29:34,703 --> 01:29:38,999 (calm music) You have this 1656 01:29:39,291 --> 01:29:41,626 older community that is a more nurturing community, 1657 01:29:41,918 --> 01:29:44,629 and a more welcoming and supportive community. 1658 01:29:44,921 --> 01:29:47,632 And I think that's still the reason why people join cults, 1659 01:29:47,924 --> 01:29:50,635 you know, is because the modern world 1660 01:29:50,927 --> 01:29:53,179 does not really leave enough space for us 1661 01:29:53,471 --> 01:29:55,390 to experience the connection. 1662 01:29:55,682 --> 01:29:58,810 (gentle staccato music) 1663 01:30:04,691 --> 01:30:05,358 - And I dedicated my life 1664 01:30:05,650 --> 01:30:07,027 - Amen. - to God, praise the Lord. 1665 01:30:07,319 --> 01:30:09,446 Hallelujah. Only because she believed! 1666 01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:12,949 - The interesting thing about cults in North America 1667 01:30:13,241 --> 01:30:16,036 is that most of them are actually different iterations 1668 01:30:16,328 --> 01:30:18,747 of Christianity, so it's not like with British folk horror 1669 01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:20,999 where you have Christian religions, 1670 01:30:21,291 --> 01:30:24,002 which are considered the more contemporary, modern religions 1671 01:30:24,294 --> 01:30:26,254 and the older pagan religions. 1672 01:30:26,546 --> 01:30:28,757 In a lot of the American folk horror films, 1673 01:30:29,049 --> 01:30:30,550 it's actually weird Christians. 1674 01:30:30,842 --> 01:30:33,803 (upbeat music) 1675 01:30:34,095 --> 01:30:37,349 ♪ It's been written In the Book of Revelation ♪ 1676 01:30:37,641 --> 01:30:41,019 ♪ You can hear it if you open your ears ♪ 1677 01:30:41,311 --> 01:30:43,104 ♪ He's gonna tell you all ♪ 1678 01:30:43,396 --> 01:30:44,814 ♪ Just what you are ♪ 1679 01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:49,069 ♪ Gonna hit you in your feels ♪ 1680 01:30:49,361 --> 01:30:52,364 ♪ The psychos at the end will show it ♪ 1681 01:30:52,656 --> 01:30:56,451 ♪ As is written many years ago ♪ 1682 01:30:56,743 --> 01:30:59,621 ♪ I know that life's getting harder ♪ 1683 01:30:59,913 --> 01:31:04,125 ♪ Without Christ, you don't know where to go ♪ 1684 01:31:04,417 --> 01:31:09,047 (tense suspenseful music) - So this archaic 1685 01:31:09,339 --> 01:31:11,716 way of life, this devotion to the old ways, 1686 01:31:12,008 --> 01:31:14,803 I think evokes very strongly parallels with religious sects, 1687 01:31:15,095 --> 01:31:17,514 such as the Amish and Mennonites. 1688 01:31:17,806 --> 01:31:19,849 I think there's definitely a sort of a conflation 1689 01:31:20,141 --> 01:31:21,726 and a correlation happening here 1690 01:31:22,018 --> 01:31:25,313 between fears of dangerous sort of rogue cults 1691 01:31:25,605 --> 01:31:27,774 and uncertainty about isolated, but obviously, 1692 01:31:28,066 --> 01:31:30,735 pacifist communities like the Amish. 1693 01:31:31,027 --> 01:31:33,029 I think there's a real anxiety here about what happens 1694 01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:34,114 when those kinds of people 1695 01:31:34,406 --> 01:31:36,700 being kind of rural religious fundamentalists 1696 01:31:36,992 --> 01:31:38,451 are left to their own devices. 1697 01:31:38,743 --> 01:31:41,037 A suspicion about, you know, what will they get up to 1698 01:31:41,329 --> 01:31:43,999 when they're left on the room with no external oversight? 1699 01:31:45,375 --> 01:31:48,294 - It inevitably made its way into these films, 1700 01:31:48,586 --> 01:31:49,754 you know, especially when you've got 1701 01:31:50,046 --> 01:31:53,174 a lot of these communities moving into rural areas, 1702 01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,885 it becomes very tied in with the tropes 1703 01:31:56,177 --> 01:31:58,930 and imagery that we associate with folk horror. 1704 01:31:59,222 --> 01:32:01,891 - Behold, (tense suspenseful music) 1705 01:32:02,183 --> 01:32:05,437 A dream did come to me in the night and the Lord 1706 01:32:05,729 --> 01:32:08,231 did show all this to me. - Praise God, 1707 01:32:09,733 --> 01:32:11,443 praise the Lord. - Also, 1708 01:32:11,735 --> 01:32:12,402 in "Children of the Corn", 1709 01:32:12,694 --> 01:32:14,237 the fact that they are a Christian religion 1710 01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:17,699 with Isaac altering the Bible based on dreams he had 1711 01:32:17,991 --> 01:32:19,451 is very reminiscent of Mormonism. 1712 01:32:19,743 --> 01:32:21,745 The way that they are Christians with Joseph Smith 1713 01:32:22,037 --> 01:32:24,330 publishing "The Book of Mormon" as a companion piece 1714 01:32:24,622 --> 01:32:28,001 to the Bible, claiming that he was shown the location 1715 01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:31,004 of ancient writings on golden plates 1716 01:32:31,296 --> 01:32:32,964 during a visit from an Angel of God 1717 01:32:33,256 --> 01:32:35,633 named Moroni. - I think people are also 1718 01:32:35,925 --> 01:32:38,178 frightened by fundamentalism. - If you look at Isaac 1719 01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:40,138 and Malachi, and you look at the way they're dressed, 1720 01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:43,349 and you look in the town, they don't allow games anymore 1721 01:32:43,641 --> 01:32:45,185 and they don't have any televisions anymore. 1722 01:32:45,477 --> 01:32:47,103 They don't have any telephones anymore, 1723 01:32:47,395 --> 01:32:48,229 it's all about the crop 1724 01:32:48,521 --> 01:32:50,815 and they don't have any of these modern conveniences. 1725 01:32:51,107 --> 01:32:53,318 (dramatic music) - It does reflect 1726 01:32:53,610 --> 01:32:57,572 a lot of the anxieties that people have about what people 1727 01:32:57,864 --> 01:33:00,533 do sacrifice when they go into these communities. 1728 01:33:02,952 --> 01:33:04,496 - You know, that's really going on, I mean, it's like, 1729 01:33:04,788 --> 01:33:07,707 it starts with the poisoning of the coffee pot. 1730 01:33:07,999 --> 01:33:10,210 Before they started shooting, that night people were dying 1731 01:33:10,502 --> 01:33:13,546 because of poisoned Kool-Aid. - These references 1732 01:33:13,838 --> 01:33:16,466 to Jonestown in Stephen King's "Children of the Corn" 1733 01:33:16,758 --> 01:33:19,594 are, I think, directly tied to this foundational horror 1734 01:33:19,886 --> 01:33:23,598 of the colony that sort of splits off and self-destructs. 1735 01:33:23,890 --> 01:33:26,684 So religious migration to escape perceived persecution 1736 01:33:26,976 --> 01:33:27,977 was really nothing new at all, 1737 01:33:28,269 --> 01:33:30,563 even when the Puritans did it, and it is a journey 1738 01:33:30,855 --> 01:33:34,234 that I think in many respects Jonestown replicated as well. 1739 01:33:36,653 --> 01:33:40,031 The People's Temple in Guyana was actually one of the sites 1740 01:33:40,323 --> 01:33:43,451 that the Puritans had initially considered going to 1741 01:33:43,743 --> 01:33:46,496 before they decided upon New England as their destination. 1742 01:33:46,788 --> 01:33:48,039 So there's actually a really fascinating, 1743 01:33:48,331 --> 01:33:51,417 coincidental overlap between the Puritans 1744 01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:54,754 and the People's Temple in this respect. 1745 01:33:55,046 --> 01:33:57,423 (feet tapping) 1746 01:33:59,092 --> 01:34:02,011 (crickets chirping) 1747 01:34:05,181 --> 01:34:10,103 (bird cooing) - American Prairie horror, 1748 01:34:10,436 --> 01:34:12,105 you don't see it a lot. 1749 01:34:12,397 --> 01:34:15,984 When we're in a horror movie, it's usually that the walls 1750 01:34:16,276 --> 01:34:18,736 are coming in on us and that we're in this space 1751 01:34:19,028 --> 01:34:22,157 and we are so closed in and it's claustrophobic, 1752 01:34:22,448 --> 01:34:27,245 but with "The Prairie”, you can strangely 1753 01:34:27,954 --> 01:34:32,000 have the same feeling of this claustrophobia in this place 1754 01:34:32,292 --> 01:34:33,585 where you can see everything. 1755 01:34:33,877 --> 01:34:36,421 (wind whistling) 1756 01:34:45,638 --> 01:34:48,558 (calm upbeat music) -In 1973, 1757 01:34:48,850 --> 01:34:51,603 Michael Lesy published the book "Wisconsin Death Trip", 1758 01:34:51,895 --> 01:34:54,606 fashioned entirely out of 19th century photographs 1759 01:34:54,898 --> 01:34:57,692 and newspaper reports from the isolated community 1760 01:34:57,984 --> 01:35:01,321 surrounding a place called Black River Falls, Wisconsin. 1761 01:35:01,613 --> 01:35:04,574 And collectively, they tell a story of crime, death, 1762 01:35:04,866 --> 01:35:07,368 and insanity that fuels this narrative 1763 01:35:07,660 --> 01:35:09,913 that isolation breeds sickness. 1764 01:35:16,753 --> 01:35:20,173 (tense suspenseful music) 1765 01:35:21,507 --> 01:35:24,761 - I lived in Ottawa, Kansas, we joined 1766 01:35:25,053 --> 01:35:27,847 a community supported agriculture garden. 1767 01:35:28,139 --> 01:35:31,851 I was out there one day with just a bunch of women 1768 01:35:32,143 --> 01:35:33,019 who were working in the garden 1769 01:35:33,311 --> 01:35:36,522 and they kept talking to me and asking me questions. 1770 01:35:36,814 --> 01:35:39,442 And we're in Kansas, it's very flat, 1771 01:35:39,734 --> 01:35:41,778 and the wind is just insane that day, 1772 01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:43,488 and I couldn't hear anything. 1773 01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:45,365 One of the women like holding thumbs with me 1774 01:35:45,657 --> 01:35:48,034 and she's like, "You know it used to to drive women crazy?" 1775 01:35:48,326 --> 01:35:50,787 (wind whistling) 1776 01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:52,413 And I asked her, "What did?" 1777 01:35:52,705 --> 01:35:54,457 And she said, "The wind, it used to drive women 1778 01:35:54,749 --> 01:35:56,251 crazy out here." - No, no, 1779 01:35:56,542 --> 01:35:57,168 no. (screams) - Anna, please, 1780 01:35:57,460 --> 01:35:59,003 listen, English. - One of the things 1781 01:35:59,295 --> 01:36:02,465 that Theresa was referencing when she wrote the script 1782 01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:04,175 was a book called "Pioneer Women." 1783 01:36:04,467 --> 01:36:07,428 And a lot of those women were coming from other countries. 1784 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,473 A lot of people settling at that time were immigrants, 1785 01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:14,018 in this case from Germany there woulda been a whole other 1786 01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:17,689 like batch of both spirituality and religious beliefs 1787 01:36:17,981 --> 01:36:19,691 that she was coming with and prayers, 1788 01:36:19,983 --> 01:36:22,860 as well as maybe some folklore as well. 1789 01:36:23,152 --> 01:36:24,904 (dramatic music) - This land, 1790 01:36:25,196 --> 01:36:26,906 there's something wrong with it. 1791 01:36:27,198 --> 01:36:31,953 (door whooshes) (woman screams) 1792 01:36:38,418 --> 01:36:42,171 ♪ There's blood in the kitchen ♪ 1793 01:36:42,463 --> 01:36:47,260 ♪ And there's blood in the hall ♪ 1794 01:36:48,469 --> 01:36:52,307 ♪ And there's blood in the parlor ♪ 1795 01:36:52,598 --> 01:36:57,395 ♪ Where the lady did fall ♪ 1796 01:36:58,563 --> 01:37:02,275 ♪ And Lankin is a hanging ♪ 1797 01:37:02,567 --> 01:37:07,363 ♪ On the high gallows tree ♪ 1798 01:37:08,573 --> 01:37:12,285 ♪ And the nurses are burnin' ♪ 1799 01:37:12,577 --> 01:37:17,373 ♪ In the fire close by ♪ 1800 01:37:18,583 --> 01:37:22,211 ♪ Oh, the death bell is knelling ♪ 1801 01:37:22,503 --> 01:37:27,300 ♪ For lady and baby ♪ 1802 01:37:28,593 --> 01:37:33,097 ♪ And the green grass is a growin' ♪ 1803 01:37:33,389 --> 01:37:35,850 ♪ All over they ♪ 1804 01:37:37,727 --> 01:37:40,396 (dramatic music) 1805 01:37:41,522 --> 01:37:43,649 (tense music) - Many of the settlers 1806 01:37:43,941 --> 01:37:47,028 who came to Appalachia and associated frontier regions 1807 01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,573 during this fourth big wave of British migration, 1808 01:37:50,865 --> 01:37:53,409 came from areas like the Scottish borders 1809 01:37:53,701 --> 01:37:56,913 or the were descendants of Scottish Presbyterian planters, 1810 01:37:57,205 --> 01:38:00,708 whose family had originally, several generations back, 1811 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,420 settled in the East or the North of Ireland. 1812 01:38:04,712 --> 01:38:06,798 They tended to be independently minded. 1813 01:38:07,090 --> 01:38:08,299 They tended to be very resilient. 1814 01:38:08,591 --> 01:38:10,343 They tended to be very adaptable. 1815 01:38:10,635 --> 01:38:13,262 - These people were wanting to pull themselves 1816 01:38:13,554 --> 01:38:16,724 away from the mainstream of what had become 1817 01:38:17,016 --> 01:38:18,684 of their culture at the time. 1818 01:38:18,976 --> 01:38:22,188 - Low income is not what we are, we're poor people. 1819 01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:26,067 I think low income is people that maybe has a way 1820 01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:28,069 of just getting by, but poor people 1821 01:38:28,361 --> 01:38:31,239 is the one's that don't know 1822 01:38:31,531 --> 01:38:33,157 where the next dollar's coming from. 1823 01:38:34,283 --> 01:38:36,452 - Some of the ways in which these Appalachian communities 1824 01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:39,038 differed from the dominant settler culture 1825 01:38:39,330 --> 01:38:43,418 was because they were an essentially classless society. 1826 01:38:43,709 --> 01:38:45,795 They had a lack of respect or interest 1827 01:38:46,087 --> 01:38:48,506 in centralized authority, and they tended to live 1828 01:38:48,798 --> 01:38:51,050 in insular close-knit family groups, 1829 01:38:51,342 --> 01:38:53,636 rather than in these larger settlements. 1830 01:38:53,928 --> 01:38:56,556 They're sort of a rosdist perception that they clung 1831 01:38:56,848 --> 01:38:59,517 to what you might call, you know, the old ways, 1832 01:38:59,809 --> 01:39:01,310 that they were intensely superstitious, 1833 01:39:01,602 --> 01:39:03,771 that they preferred the sort out, you know, blood feuds 1834 01:39:04,063 --> 01:39:07,191 between themselves without recourse to the law. 1835 01:39:07,483 --> 01:39:09,026 And this is, of course, a perception 1836 01:39:09,318 --> 01:39:11,028 that really lingers to this day. 1837 01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,575 ♪ While the woman plows and makes the corn & 1838 01:39:15,867 --> 01:39:18,536 ♪ And the man shoots turkey and deer ♪ 1839 01:39:18,828 --> 01:39:22,457 - Look upon the face of death, (ominous music) 1840 01:39:22,748 --> 01:39:26,210 Never feel your baby's breath. - Cassie, stop it. 1841 01:39:26,502 --> 01:39:28,838 - Look upon the face of death, 1842 01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:32,258 never feel your baby's breath. - Earl Hamner Junior, 1843 01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:34,886 who created "The Waltons" was a great proponent 1844 01:39:35,178 --> 01:39:37,722 of putting Appalachian culture and folklore on screen. 1845 01:39:38,014 --> 01:39:39,891 And in addition to a couple of “Waltons” episodes 1846 01:39:40,183 --> 01:39:41,476 that get into the realm of folk horror, 1847 01:39:41,767 --> 01:39:44,103 he also wrote a beloved "Twilight Zone" episode 1848 01:39:44,395 --> 01:39:46,731 called "Jess-Belle" about a woman who makes a deal 1849 01:39:47,023 --> 01:39:50,234 with the local witch to ensnare the man who rejected her. 1850 01:39:52,069 --> 01:39:54,614 - My mamma says that when you see a fallin' star, 1851 01:39:56,365 --> 01:39:58,284 it means a witch has just died. 1852 01:39:59,285 --> 01:40:02,455 (spooky suspenseful music) - There's a really great use 1853 01:40:02,747 --> 01:40:04,790 of those kinds of rural folk legends 1854 01:40:05,082 --> 01:40:06,417 that can get in Appalachian 1855 01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:09,170 and the more distant parts of America. 1856 01:40:09,462 --> 01:40:11,672 There's a writer called Manly Wade Wellman 1857 01:40:11,964 --> 01:40:13,633 who wrote a whole series of stories 1858 01:40:13,925 --> 01:40:16,511 and books about this guy called Silver John. 1859 01:40:16,802 --> 01:40:19,096 And he had a guitar with strings made of silver. 1860 01:40:19,388 --> 01:40:20,806 There was a guy who wandered around the countryside 1861 01:40:21,098 --> 01:40:22,850 getting involved in various adventures 1862 01:40:23,142 --> 01:40:25,520 that always seemed to involve local folk legends and things. 1863 01:40:25,811 --> 01:40:27,563 (bird screeching) 1864 01:40:27,855 --> 01:40:30,316 (ominous music) 1865 01:40:36,447 --> 01:40:37,114 (gentle music) 1866 01:40:37,406 --> 01:40:41,035 (suspenseful music) - The American film 1867 01:40:41,327 --> 01:40:43,955 "The Fool Killer" was referred to in 1965 1868 01:40:44,247 --> 01:40:46,249 as “an offbeat folk-horror film.” 1869 01:40:47,416 --> 01:40:49,877 - Almost think you believe that story. 1870 01:40:50,169 --> 01:40:51,462 - Ain't you never felt like there was some sort of something 1871 01:40:51,754 --> 01:40:52,922 like the Fool Killer? 1872 01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:55,091 Ain't you never done things you'd known 1873 01:40:55,383 --> 01:40:56,342 was just plain foolish 1874 01:40:56,634 --> 01:40:57,260 and felt like you're just gonna have to 1875 01:40:57,552 --> 01:40:59,303 pay the price? - "The Fool Killer" 1876 01:40:59,595 --> 01:41:03,140 movie was directly based on a novel by Helen Eustis, 1877 01:41:03,432 --> 01:41:07,019 but it's central character, a roving philosophical murderer 1878 01:41:07,311 --> 01:41:08,604 who rids the world of fools, 1879 01:41:08,896 --> 01:41:10,398 he had become a fixture of Appalachian 1880 01:41:10,690 --> 01:41:13,025 and Southern folklore in the late 19th century. 1881 01:41:13,317 --> 01:41:16,445 And his enduring appeal possibly due to the fact 1882 01:41:16,737 --> 01:41:19,323 that he's an outcast from society 1883 01:41:19,615 --> 01:41:21,450 and considered a fool himself, 1884 01:41:21,742 --> 01:41:24,036 but he turns the tables on the dominant culture 1885 01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:25,788 that rejects him, and so he becomes 1886 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,832 Kind of an anti-hero. -I'm a man 1887 01:41:28,124 --> 01:41:29,417 who's got no history. 1888 01:41:29,709 --> 01:41:33,254 I like to eat when I'm hungry, talk to folks when I want to 1889 01:41:33,546 --> 01:41:36,215 and not when I don't, and see the world. 1890 01:41:37,383 --> 01:41:38,926 Strange cities and strange houses 1891 01:41:39,218 --> 01:41:40,928 is a place in my enemies, George. 1892 01:41:41,220 --> 01:41:44,390 (ominous music) - Folk horror expresses 1893 01:41:44,682 --> 01:41:46,642 an ambivalence about progress. 1894 01:41:46,934 --> 01:41:49,687 And so often in these films, through the production design, 1895 01:41:49,979 --> 01:41:52,023 the old dialects, and stuff, you get the idea 1896 01:41:52,315 --> 01:41:55,151 that this culture is just holding on for dear life. 1897 01:41:55,443 --> 01:41:56,944 - No! - I know 1898 01:41:57,236 --> 01:42:01,240 who the next jug face is. (ominous music) 1899 01:42:03,367 --> 01:42:04,118 It's me. 1900 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,204 (dramatic music) - And so, 1901 01:42:07,496 --> 01:42:10,458 so many of these stories are about sacrifice 1902 01:42:10,750 --> 01:42:12,793 and protagonists who are resistant 1903 01:42:13,085 --> 01:42:17,006 to the sacrifice necessary to keep the culture alive. 1904 01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:20,926 (tense suspenseful music) 1905 01:42:21,218 --> 01:42:22,303 - I think of things like "Pumpkinhead" 1906 01:42:22,595 --> 01:42:25,181 where, you know, it's very specific to that region. 1907 01:42:25,473 --> 01:42:26,515 So I think that also plays a big part in it, 1908 01:42:26,807 --> 01:42:28,809 is kind of where it's set, and the method of the people 1909 01:42:29,101 --> 01:42:30,269 that live in that community. 1910 01:42:31,812 --> 01:42:35,149 - What killed him? - City folks run him over. 1911 01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:36,692 I'm looking for an old woman. 1912 01:42:38,027 --> 01:42:40,071 She lived somewhere in the mountains here abouts. 1913 01:42:40,363 --> 01:42:43,240 (upbeat suspenseful music) 1914 01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:46,369 - "Deliverance” probably brought that in actually, 1915 01:42:46,661 --> 01:42:50,122 the sort of idea of the stereotype of the hillbilly. 1916 01:42:50,414 --> 01:42:52,249 And so we started to see the sort of different idea 1917 01:42:52,541 --> 01:42:54,210 of what the South was like. 1918 01:42:54,502 --> 01:42:56,420 (suspenseful music) - So the early 1970s 1919 01:42:56,712 --> 01:42:57,755 was very much a period, 1920 01:42:58,047 --> 01:42:59,632 particularly on the American cinema screen, 1921 01:42:59,924 --> 01:43:02,760 where you had these kinds of backwards anxieties 1922 01:43:03,052 --> 01:43:05,429 manifesting themselves very openly on screen, 1923 01:43:05,721 --> 01:43:08,057 but really these filmed for tapping into very long, 1924 01:43:08,349 --> 01:43:11,268 established stereotypes about degeneracy, 1925 01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,771 particularly amongst Southern Hill folk. 1926 01:43:14,063 --> 01:43:16,399 Between 1880 and around 1820, 1927 01:43:16,691 --> 01:43:19,777 the so-called Eugenics Record Office, the ERO, 1928 01:43:20,069 --> 01:43:22,780 produced a series of eugenic family studies. 1929 01:43:23,072 --> 01:43:24,782 And what they wanted to do here was demonstrate 1930 01:43:25,074 --> 01:43:27,785 that large numbers of particularly poverty-stricken, 1931 01:43:28,077 --> 01:43:31,706 rural whites were so-called genetic defectives. 1932 01:43:31,997 --> 01:43:34,125 And according to this logic, the stagnation, 1933 01:43:34,417 --> 01:43:36,961 the decrepitude, the poverty of their surroundings, 1934 01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:39,213 and the proximity of the wilderness 1935 01:43:39,505 --> 01:43:42,550 had bred in them this kind of dangerous primitivism 1936 01:43:42,842 --> 01:43:44,927 which could erupt into violence at any time. 1937 01:43:45,219 --> 01:43:48,514 - Ewe! - Oh, the salt marshes 1938 01:43:48,806 --> 01:43:49,890 around here are rotten, 1939 01:43:51,225 --> 01:43:55,104 and it gets worse the further down you go. 1940 01:43:55,396 --> 01:44:00,151 - The film is basically set in a sort of a backwater town 1941 01:44:01,652 --> 01:44:04,113 that's almost impossible to get to 1942 01:44:04,405 --> 01:44:06,741 except by this old rickety bus. 1943 01:44:07,032 --> 01:44:09,994 - Those people, oh, God, those people. 1944 01:44:10,995 --> 01:44:13,289 Nobody likes those people, 1945 01:44:13,581 --> 01:44:14,540 it's the way they look. 1946 01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:19,128 They call it the astros look. 1947 01:44:19,420 --> 01:44:21,088 - H.P. Lovecraft, of course, was huge 1948 01:44:21,380 --> 01:44:25,259 and "Shadow over Innsmouth" was a big, big influence. 1949 01:44:25,551 --> 01:44:30,222 Not only because of the remote, small town 1950 01:44:30,514 --> 01:44:32,850 that it takes place in, but the whole idea 1951 01:44:33,142 --> 01:44:35,728 of people going under a transformation. 1952 01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:38,564 (dramatic music) 1953 01:44:39,690 --> 01:44:42,151 - Just the idea of these poor backwards people 1954 01:44:42,443 --> 01:44:45,112 cut off from the rest of the world is, I think, 1955 01:44:45,404 --> 01:44:50,159 an example of kind of what happened after the civil war 1956 01:44:50,451 --> 01:44:53,788 with, you know, just how it was devastated financially. 1957 01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:55,414 ♪ There's a story you should know ♪ 1958 01:44:55,706 --> 01:44:57,041 ♪ From a hundred years ago ♪ 1959 01:44:57,333 --> 01:45:00,169 ♪ And a hundred years we've waited now to tell ♪ 1960 01:45:00,461 --> 01:45:01,754 ♪ Now, the Yankees come along ♪ 1961 01:45:02,046 --> 01:45:03,339 ♪ And they'll listen to this song ♪ 1962 01:45:03,631 --> 01:45:06,550 ♪ And they'll quake in fear to hear this rebel yell ♪ 1963 01:45:06,842 --> 01:45:10,095 ♪ And they'll quake in fear to hear this rebel yell ♪ 1964 01:45:10,387 --> 01:45:12,973 ♪ Yee-Haw ♪ 1965 01:45:13,265 --> 01:45:16,018 ♪ Oh, the South's gonna rise again ♪ 1966 01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:17,895 - You can't really talk about the South 1967 01:45:18,187 --> 01:45:22,441 without having a little bit of a tricklin' of the effects 1968 01:45:22,733 --> 01:45:26,445 of the civil war. - This perception 1969 01:45:26,737 --> 01:45:29,073 that the south had been left behind 1970 01:45:29,365 --> 01:45:31,742 was exacerbated by the fact that it actually 1971 01:45:32,034 --> 01:45:34,161 had a very considerable basis in reality. 1972 01:45:35,204 --> 01:45:36,914 The poverty of the rural south, 1973 01:45:37,206 --> 01:45:39,959 it wasn't just some kind of theoretical abstraction, 1974 01:45:40,251 --> 01:45:42,962 it was something that affected the lives of ordinary people 1975 01:45:43,254 --> 01:45:46,006 in a myriad of ways, every single day of their lives. 1976 01:45:46,298 --> 01:45:50,010 (vases clattering) (tense music) 1977 01:45:50,302 --> 01:45:52,471 - Even thing like, I think, “Texas Chain Saw Massacre,” 1978 01:45:52,763 --> 01:45:54,974 you know, can certainly be placed within the realms 1979 01:45:55,266 --> 01:45:57,685 of folk horror. - You like this face? 1980 01:45:57,977 --> 01:46:00,229 (woman screaming) 1981 01:46:00,521 --> 01:46:04,775 - You get this idea that people are on the land for so long 1982 01:46:05,067 --> 01:46:07,653 that something happens to the family unit 1983 01:46:07,945 --> 01:46:11,866 where there's this idea of corruption and cruelty, 1984 01:46:12,157 --> 01:46:16,787 where there's this sense that family is not a place of love 1985 01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:20,791 and warmth, but a place where a lot of dark secrets 1986 01:46:21,083 --> 01:46:23,919 are concealed and people's violent natures 1987 01:46:24,211 --> 01:46:28,173 are given free reign. (door thuds) 1988 01:46:28,465 --> 01:46:31,552 (birds chirping) - I was born and raised here, 1989 01:46:32,761 --> 01:46:34,096 and my daddy before me. 1990 01:46:35,347 --> 01:46:38,559 I seen things in these woods, no man's supposed to see. 1991 01:46:40,352 --> 01:46:42,813 And I know things, no man's supposed to know. 1992 01:46:44,982 --> 01:46:48,235 These woods can be a strange place. 1993 01:46:48,527 --> 01:46:52,156 (gentle suspenseful music) 1994 01:46:52,448 --> 01:46:55,910 - In many ways, folk horror arises out of the gothic itself, 1995 01:46:56,201 --> 01:46:57,703 and particularly southern gothic. 1996 01:46:57,995 --> 01:47:02,458 Southern gothic rose out of reconstruction anxieties, 1997 01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:06,128 the sense that the south, despite being devastated, 1998 01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:07,963 has supposedly been caught up 1999 01:47:08,255 --> 01:47:10,132 to the rest of the nation's industry 2000 01:47:10,424 --> 01:47:11,884 through government legislation. 2001 01:47:12,176 --> 01:47:15,763 And that has been caught up to the nation's racial ideas, 2002 01:47:16,055 --> 01:47:18,933 again, through government legislation. 2003 01:47:19,224 --> 01:47:22,686 What we see in the southern gothic is an anxiety 2004 01:47:22,978 --> 01:47:26,732 that perhaps this progress isn't progress at all, 2005 01:47:27,024 --> 01:47:30,778 perhaps it's as horrible as the old ways. 2006 01:47:31,070 --> 01:47:33,238 Equally problematic when you think about writers 2007 01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:36,992 such as Flannery O'Connor and William Faulkner, 2008 01:47:37,284 --> 01:47:39,370 perhaps all of it is pretension. 2009 01:47:39,662 --> 01:47:42,373 Perhaps the old genteel ways were horrible, 2010 01:47:42,665 --> 01:47:44,833 not just to people of color, 2011 01:47:45,125 --> 01:47:48,337 but to whites of lower class standing. 2012 01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:53,425 Perhaps that genteel nature merely meant hiding the horror, 2013 01:47:54,093 --> 01:47:58,389 ignoring it and masking it as something beautiful and kind. 2014 01:47:59,306 --> 01:48:01,976 But maybe modernization and industry 2015 01:48:02,267 --> 01:48:04,645 is equally horrible and alienating. 2016 01:48:05,813 --> 01:48:08,273 Maybe there's no winner on either side 2017 01:48:08,565 --> 01:48:11,944 and we're ultimately all monsters still. 2018 01:48:24,081 --> 01:48:28,585 (record needle scratching) - It is time, Lord, 2019 01:48:28,877 --> 01:48:31,964 from the dry dust, out of these chains, 2020 01:48:32,881 --> 01:48:34,717 from the Devil's house. 2021 01:48:53,444 --> 01:48:54,820 From the Devil's house. 2022 01:48:55,112 --> 01:48:56,739 Save me from my damn- 2023 01:48:58,532 --> 01:49:02,619 - Hey, it was just a local band. 2024 01:49:04,580 --> 01:49:05,873 (calm upbeat music) - If you have stories 2025 01:49:06,165 --> 01:49:07,791 that are taking place down south, 2026 01:49:08,083 --> 01:49:11,545 very often the regional specific elements are either voodoo 2027 01:49:11,837 --> 01:49:14,923 or hoodoo, and one of the problems that filmmakers 2028 01:49:15,215 --> 01:49:16,467 have experienced over the years 2029 01:49:16,759 --> 01:49:19,678 is being unable to distinguish between voodoo and hoodoo, 2030 01:49:19,970 --> 01:49:21,972 and they are very different. 2031 01:49:22,264 --> 01:49:23,932 (upbeat music) - Hoodoo's a religion. 2032 01:49:24,224 --> 01:49:26,226 Slaves brought it Haiti from Africa, 2033 01:49:26,518 --> 01:49:28,437 they worship God, heaven and hell. 2034 01:49:28,729 --> 01:49:30,647 - How's hoodoo different? - It's magic. 2035 01:49:30,939 --> 01:49:33,150 American folk magic, God doesn't have much to do with it. 2036 01:49:33,442 --> 01:49:35,861 (ominous music) - When you talk 2037 01:49:36,153 --> 01:49:38,405 about hoodoo, what you're essentially talking about 2038 01:49:38,697 --> 01:49:42,367 IS a magical folk practice that is often divorced 2039 01:49:42,659 --> 01:49:45,788 from religion, and as such, it's also divorced 2040 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,499 from the moral and ethical codes 2041 01:49:48,791 --> 01:49:50,626 that go along with religion. 2042 01:49:51,752 --> 01:49:53,629 - Some things are better left unsaid. 2043 01:49:55,422 --> 01:50:00,135 - I paid you a dollar, old woman, now tell my fortune. 2044 01:50:01,887 --> 01:50:06,809 (spooky suspenseful music) (crickets chirping) 2045 01:50:13,524 --> 01:50:14,566 (tense music) - As Michelet said, 2046 01:50:14,858 --> 01:50:15,776 Jules Michelet wrote the book 2047 01:50:16,068 --> 01:50:19,655 on sorcery, witchcraft and sorcery 2048 01:50:19,947 --> 01:50:21,907 is always a religion of an oppressed people. 2049 01:50:25,077 --> 01:50:25,869 - Also, when we talk 2050 01:50:26,161 --> 01:50:29,915 about Voodoo's role in thinking about folk horror, 2051 01:50:30,207 --> 01:50:32,292 we're also talking about the haunting, again, 2052 01:50:32,584 --> 01:50:35,629 of slave history and more particularly slave rebellion. 2053 01:50:40,008 --> 01:50:43,929 This rebellion starts off deep in the forest 2054 01:50:44,221 --> 01:50:46,932 of Haiti's mountains in a remote location 2055 01:50:47,224 --> 01:50:49,601 called Bois Caiman. 2056 01:50:49,893 --> 01:50:54,690 And it's led by a Maroon leader named Boukman, 2057 01:50:55,482 --> 01:51:00,279 Retrace the power of this rebellion, its success, 2058 01:51:00,571 --> 01:51:05,075 and essentially the rise of Haiti back to a voodoo ceremony. 2059 01:51:05,367 --> 01:51:08,579 And what you see in much of the 19th century 2060 01:51:08,871 --> 01:51:12,457 is an anxiety around voodoo and black practitioners 2061 01:51:12,749 --> 01:51:15,127 of voodoo and mystical religious practices. 2062 01:51:15,419 --> 01:51:17,296 (mystical music) - As sure as my name 2063 01:51:17,588 --> 01:51:21,341 is Boris Karloff, you will witness fantastic events 2064 01:51:21,633 --> 01:51:25,012 in this form, events as dark as the jungle 2065 01:51:25,304 --> 01:51:27,347 where the voodoo rights and voodoo drums 2066 01:51:27,639 --> 01:51:29,892 were first seen and heard. 2067 01:51:30,184 --> 01:51:32,644 They even lead you to wonder what you yourself 2068 01:51:32,936 --> 01:51:36,440 could accomplish with just an ordinary pin 2069 01:51:36,732 --> 01:51:38,859 and a doll shaped like someone 2070 01:51:39,151 --> 01:51:41,862 of whom you're not particularly fond. 2071 01:51:42,154 --> 01:51:43,322 (dramatic music) 2072 01:51:43,614 --> 01:51:46,992 (fire blazing) - So when we look, 2073 01:51:47,284 --> 01:51:51,413 for instance, at films like "White Zombie", "Aaunga”, 2074 01:51:51,705 --> 01:51:55,876 "I Walked With a Zombie", "Voodoo Black Exorcist”, 2075 01:51:56,168 --> 01:51:59,296 we see, in many cases, voodoo represented, 2076 01:51:59,588 --> 01:52:01,882 but divorced of its religion. 2077 01:52:02,174 --> 01:52:05,469 Instead what voodoo becomes is an ominous sound 2078 01:52:05,761 --> 01:52:10,557 in the distance suggesting evil is beginning to rise 2079 01:52:10,849 --> 01:52:15,687 and make incursions upon proper white authority. 2080 01:52:15,979 --> 01:52:18,273 So when we think about particularly the films 2081 01:52:18,565 --> 01:52:20,734 coming out in the late and mid '80s, 2082 01:52:21,026 --> 01:52:22,778 such as "The Serpent and the Rainbow", 2083 01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:24,947 "The Believers" and "Angel Heart", 2084 01:52:25,239 --> 01:52:28,951 it emphasizes it as a corruptive influence. 2085 01:52:29,868 --> 01:52:32,704 - Open this please. - Just personal items. 2086 01:52:35,332 --> 01:52:36,708 No need to look in there. 2087 01:52:38,085 --> 01:52:39,920 (mystical music) - And more importantly, 2088 01:52:40,212 --> 01:52:43,298 a corruptive force which can spread to 2089 01:52:43,590 --> 01:52:45,926 and corrupt and contaminate the US. 2090 01:52:48,011 --> 01:52:48,804 (spooky music) - "The Believers”, 2091 01:52:49,096 --> 01:52:50,973 John Schlesinger, which is a film 2092 01:52:51,265 --> 01:52:53,308 about the way Santeria comes 2093 01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,936 into a white American community. 2094 01:52:56,228 --> 01:53:00,065 They use African magic to create power and wealth. 2095 01:53:01,525 --> 01:53:03,068 But the interesting thing about "The Believers" 2096 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,947 is that it was actually used by a drug running cult 2097 01:53:07,239 --> 01:53:08,031 as a training film. 2098 01:53:08,323 --> 01:53:09,950 So it creates this strange loop 2099 01:53:10,242 --> 01:53:11,368 whereby, and this is another thing, 2100 01:53:11,660 --> 01:53:14,413 that the cinema becomes part of the mythology too. 2101 01:53:14,705 --> 01:53:16,164 (flies squelching) - Come with me. 2102 01:53:17,165 --> 01:53:18,834 Come with me (dramatic suspenseful music) 2103 01:53:19,126 --> 01:53:23,005 And be immortal. (ominous music) 2104 01:53:23,297 --> 01:53:26,133 - The Candyman, huh? - Yes, have you heard of them? 2105 01:53:26,425 --> 01:53:28,385 - Mm hm, you doing a study on him? 2106 01:53:30,595 --> 01:53:32,681 - Yes, I am, what have you heard? 2107 01:53:32,973 --> 01:53:34,141 (camera shutter clicks) - Another one, 2108 01:53:34,433 --> 01:53:37,394 that's slightly more subtle and nuanced, is "Candyman”, 2109 01:53:37,686 --> 01:53:40,230 which brings in the question of folk legends 2110 01:53:40,522 --> 01:53:42,399 or urban myths. - Typically, 2111 01:53:42,691 --> 01:53:45,027 we would reserve the term folk horror for stories 2112 01:53:45,319 --> 01:53:46,903 that take place in rural environments, 2113 01:53:47,195 --> 01:53:49,281 but I think a strong case can be made for "Candyman"” 2114 01:53:49,573 --> 01:53:52,617 as a folk horror film because of its liminality, 2115 01:53:52,909 --> 01:53:54,619 the psycho geographical pull 2116 01:53:54,911 --> 01:53:57,122 of the Cabrini-Green housing project itself, 2117 01:53:57,414 --> 01:54:00,292 and how that connects back to the reconstruction era 2118 01:54:00,584 --> 01:54:01,877 of folk tale. - My apartment 2119 01:54:02,169 --> 01:54:03,545 was built as a housing project. 2120 01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:06,506 - No? - Yeah. 2121 01:54:06,798 --> 01:54:09,843 (newspaper reel clattering) - What we often find, 2122 01:54:10,135 --> 01:54:12,262 as in "The Believers", the central protagonist 2123 01:54:12,554 --> 01:54:14,639 is often someone who's studying, or researching, 2124 01:54:14,931 --> 01:54:17,309 or is educated and they don't really believe in it, 2125 01:54:17,601 --> 01:54:18,935 but they're deeply interested in it. 2126 01:54:19,227 --> 01:54:22,105 And their fascination becomes a part of their undoing. 2127 01:54:22,397 --> 01:54:25,025 - Candyman. (dramatic music) 2128 01:54:25,317 --> 01:54:26,860 ♪ By the Christians it is written ♪ 2129 01:54:27,152 --> 01:54:30,072 ♪ That in the black Myrthian age ♪ 2130 01:54:30,364 --> 01:54:35,160 ♪ There existed an addiction to blood among it's people ♪ 2131 01:54:35,452 --> 01:54:36,411 (ominous music) - "Ganja & Hess" 2132 01:54:36,703 --> 01:54:40,665 is a 1970s so-called black vampire film, 2133 01:54:40,957 --> 01:54:43,752 made by a great, great director and writer called Bill Gunn, 2134 01:54:44,044 --> 01:54:46,380 and it stars Duane Jones who was the lead character 2135 01:54:46,671 --> 01:54:51,051 in "Night of the Living Dead". - "Ganja & Hess" 2136 01:54:51,343 --> 01:54:54,304 is a very interesting take on the problem 2137 01:54:54,596 --> 01:54:57,307 and tension between the rejection of the old 2138 01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:58,642 and the embrace of the new. 2139 01:54:58,934 --> 01:55:02,229 Because when we look at Hess' plight within this film, 2140 01:55:02,521 --> 01:55:06,066 what we really see is a problem of assimilation, 2141 01:55:06,358 --> 01:55:09,486 utter assimilation, into modern politics 2142 01:55:09,778 --> 01:55:14,574 and ideas of race, and capitalism, and consumerism. 2143 01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:19,162 And what this film urges is actually a remembrance 2144 01:55:19,454 --> 01:55:22,290 of the ancestral. (upbeat tribal music) 2145 01:55:22,582 --> 01:55:25,544 - He was an anthropologist, he had those African art 2146 01:55:25,836 --> 01:55:28,880 around his house and all kinds of objects. 2147 01:55:30,465 --> 01:55:34,136 So he dealt with old history, 2148 01:55:34,428 --> 01:55:38,390 you get with bones, you get with messages 2149 01:55:38,682 --> 01:55:40,976 from centuries before. 2150 01:55:41,268 --> 01:55:44,354 So he had developed the whole communication. 2151 01:55:44,646 --> 01:55:47,065 (spirits screaming) 2152 01:55:47,357 --> 01:55:48,608 (gentle suspenseful music) - It's a misuse 2153 01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:52,779 of the ancestral that rather emphasizes disconnection 2154 01:55:53,071 --> 01:55:54,406 rather than connection. 2155 01:55:54,698 --> 01:55:58,034 And so this curse is the curse of remembering. 2156 01:55:58,952 --> 01:56:01,872 - It's also about the fact of this return to Africa 2157 01:56:02,164 --> 01:56:04,249 and Africans sensibility 2158 01:56:04,541 --> 01:56:05,834 in the African-American community 2159 01:56:06,126 --> 01:56:07,794 in the late '60s, early '70s. 2160 01:56:08,086 --> 01:56:09,337 And there's a deep sense of trying 2161 01:56:09,629 --> 01:56:11,590 to get back to your ancestral roots. 2162 01:56:11,882 --> 01:56:13,675 So the film is very much about the ambivalence 2163 01:56:13,967 --> 01:56:15,760 of trying to be a modern American 2164 01:56:16,052 --> 01:56:18,555 kind of in a post-racial society. 2165 01:56:18,847 --> 01:56:21,892 And the impulse also, or perhaps the contradictory impulse, 2166 01:56:22,184 --> 01:56:24,561 to try and reclaim your African ancestry. 2167 01:56:26,646 --> 01:56:29,149 It needs to be seen In relationship to the assassination 2168 01:56:29,441 --> 01:56:31,776 of Martin Luther King and the ideological conflict 2169 01:56:32,068 --> 01:56:34,362 in the black community in America at that time 2170 01:56:34,654 --> 01:56:37,657 between violent, revolutionary, militant politics 2171 01:56:37,949 --> 01:56:40,035 of the Blank Panthers, and the Nation of Islam, 2172 01:56:40,327 --> 01:56:42,787 Malcolm X, and the legacy of King, 2173 01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,624 which was a much more passive-resistance Christian 2174 01:56:46,958 --> 01:56:48,835 way of bringing about change. 2175 01:56:50,795 --> 01:56:54,341 So it's a film very much about redemption. 2176 01:56:54,633 --> 01:56:55,842 (calm music) - There's a tension 2177 01:56:56,134 --> 01:57:00,931 at the end between his acceptance in the black church 2178 01:57:01,389 --> 01:57:04,059 and his embrace of the cross. 2179 01:57:04,351 --> 01:57:07,145 Hess dies not in the church, 2180 01:57:07,437 --> 01:57:10,899 Hess dies in the shadow of the cross. 2181 01:57:11,191 --> 01:57:13,693 And if we think about what that shadow means, 2182 01:57:13,985 --> 01:57:18,782 it's the ways in which this Christian tradition 2183 01:57:19,407 --> 01:57:23,370 has been manipulated to become a tool of warfare, 2184 01:57:23,662 --> 01:57:27,249 of racial oppression, of domination. 2185 01:57:27,541 --> 01:57:31,920 The ways in which the cross has cast a black shadow 2186 01:57:32,212 --> 01:57:36,383 across cultures that it encounters to erase the ancestral 2187 01:57:36,675 --> 01:57:40,512 and displace it with white Christianity. 2188 01:57:40,804 --> 01:57:42,681 This is what kills him. 2189 01:57:42,973 --> 01:57:47,769 (wind whistling) (Hess humming) 2190 01:57:54,276 --> 01:57:57,779 (air whooshing) (dramatic music) 2191 01:57:58,071 --> 01:57:59,781 - Folklore tends to have a lot of cultural 2192 01:58:00,073 --> 01:58:03,034 and geographic specificity, but when you start to look at it 2193 01:58:03,326 --> 01:58:05,829 from a global perspective, these films are often speaking 2194 01:58:06,121 --> 01:58:08,456 to each other in really interesting ways. 2195 01:58:08,748 --> 01:58:11,126 (bomb booming) 2196 01:58:12,961 --> 01:58:16,464 (upbeat suspenseful music) 2197 01:58:23,763 --> 01:58:26,683 (thunder crackling) 2198 01:58:29,102 --> 01:58:34,024 (fire blazing) (crowd yelling) 2199 01:58:35,692 --> 01:58:38,778 (tense ominous music) 2200 01:58:46,494 --> 01:58:49,164 (ocean crashing) 2201 01:58:53,168 --> 01:58:55,420 - This man had a dream, (rain drumming) 2202 01:58:55,712 --> 01:58:59,883 A forbidden vision that becomes a living nightmare. 2203 01:59:00,175 --> 01:59:02,719 (door squeaking) 2204 01:59:03,011 --> 01:59:03,678 - What are dreams? 2205 01:59:06,181 --> 01:59:08,600 (ominous music) - The way of knowing things. 2206 01:59:08,892 --> 01:59:10,101 Dream is a shadow 2207 01:59:12,562 --> 01:59:13,355 of something real. 2208 01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,275 - When I first thought about the folk horror in Australia, 2209 01:59:17,567 --> 01:59:18,193 I thought, well, we don't have any, 2210 01:59:18,485 --> 01:59:21,488 it's this very European thing, this very British thing. 2211 01:59:21,780 --> 01:59:25,700 But when I started thinking about the very complex 2212 01:59:25,992 --> 01:59:30,622 and often quite ugly colonial history of Australia, 2213 01:59:32,123 --> 01:59:35,168 folk traditions dominate. - A lot of Australian 2214 01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:38,963 folk horror deals with indigenous tradition 2215 01:59:39,255 --> 01:59:43,927 and deals with the white colonial, I suppose, 2216 01:59:44,219 --> 01:59:45,470 response to those traditions, 2217 01:59:45,762 --> 01:59:48,890 which is often one of not understanding what's happening 2218 01:59:49,182 --> 01:59:50,475 and sort of fear. 2219 01:59:50,767 --> 01:59:53,269 (tense suspenseful music) - But when you dig 2220 01:59:53,561 --> 01:59:55,397 a little bit more deeply, I think films that feel 2221 01:59:55,689 --> 01:59:58,775 that they don't have a direct indigenous connection, 2222 01:59:59,067 --> 02:00:02,696 in fact do. - I feel like 2223 02:00:02,987 --> 02:00:04,572 something bad is gonna happen to me. 2224 02:00:06,449 --> 02:00:08,618 I feel like something bad has happened. 2225 02:00:09,953 --> 02:00:12,247 It hasn't reached me yet but it's on its way. 2226 02:00:12,539 --> 02:00:15,625 (mysterious tense music) - Lake Mungo 2227 02:00:15,917 --> 02:00:18,169 is a sacred indigenous site. 2228 02:00:18,461 --> 02:00:20,672 In the late 1960s, they found the bodies, 2229 02:00:20,964 --> 02:00:23,341 40,000 year old bodies, 2230 02:00:23,633 --> 02:00:26,261 remains of three indigenous people. 2231 02:00:28,346 --> 02:00:30,724 Nothing in the film mentions this, 2232 02:00:31,015 --> 02:00:33,101 but there's something about that place 2233 02:00:33,393 --> 02:00:38,148 and indigenous cultures, they're so connected to land. 2234 02:00:39,399 --> 02:00:42,819 (tense suspenseful music) 2235 02:00:45,071 --> 02:00:47,741 And we find this in "Wolf Creek." 2236 02:00:51,286 --> 02:00:52,787 And what I find interesting about "Lake Mungo", 2237 02:00:53,079 --> 02:00:54,706 "Picnic at Hanging Rock", and "Wolf Creek" 2238 02:00:54,998 --> 02:00:56,791 is that they may not be directly 2239 02:00:57,083 --> 02:01:00,503 talking about indigenous cultures in the same way 2240 02:01:00,795 --> 02:01:03,798 that something like "The Last Wave", or "Red Billabong", 2241 02:01:04,090 --> 02:01:08,219 or "Prey" are, but they're more about this sense of place. 2242 02:01:08,511 --> 02:01:13,308 And instead of exoticizing indigenous history 2243 02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,811 and indigenous culture, there's a sort of acknowledgement 2244 02:01:17,103 --> 02:01:19,522 that there are things about this land that we don't know 2245 02:01:19,814 --> 02:01:22,901 and that we don't understand, and we will never understand. 2246 02:01:23,193 --> 02:01:24,486 And I think that that's perhaps one 2247 02:01:24,778 --> 02:01:27,447 of the more productive ways of engaging 2248 02:01:27,739 --> 02:01:31,159 with this folkloric background from a colonial perspective. 2249 02:01:31,451 --> 02:01:35,830 (spooky music) - A really interesting film 2250 02:01:36,122 --> 02:01:38,958 that sort of bridges the gap between folk horror 2251 02:01:39,250 --> 02:01:42,170 in Australian cinema from the white filmmakers perspective 2252 02:01:42,462 --> 02:01:44,130 or the secular perspective, 2253 02:01:44,422 --> 02:01:47,258 and folk horror from the Aboriginals perspective 2254 02:01:47,550 --> 02:01:50,053 is Tracey Moffatt's film "Bedevil". 2255 02:01:50,345 --> 02:01:52,680 (spooky music) So that's a very unusual film. 2256 02:01:52,972 --> 02:01:55,517 It's essentially a trilogy of ghost stories 2257 02:01:55,809 --> 02:01:58,478 about a town where the main character 2258 02:01:58,770 --> 02:02:02,023 believes that an American GI from the Second World War 2259 02:02:02,315 --> 02:02:05,902 died in a swamp and therefore the ghost 2260 02:02:06,194 --> 02:02:08,696 of that person haunts that area. 2261 02:02:08,988 --> 02:02:12,408 And then later, a cinema is built over that swamp 2262 02:02:12,700 --> 02:02:14,452 and it is supposedly haunted. 2263 02:02:14,744 --> 02:02:15,995 (ominous music) - They built 2264 02:02:17,789 --> 02:02:21,584 a poxy cinema above that stinking swamp. 2265 02:02:23,461 --> 02:02:26,881 Can you believe that? - I suppose Tracy Moffitt 2266 02:02:27,173 --> 02:02:29,467 is saying with "Bedevil" that everything is mysterious 2267 02:02:29,759 --> 02:02:33,596 to someone, and our past and our culture is mysterious 2268 02:02:33,888 --> 02:02:34,556 to all of us as well. 2269 02:02:34,848 --> 02:02:36,683 So she's kind of throwing away 2270 02:02:36,975 --> 02:02:39,602 that sort of traditional folk horror paradigm 2271 02:02:39,894 --> 02:02:42,814 and mixing things up in a really interesting way. 2272 02:02:43,106 --> 02:02:45,400 (tense music) 2273 02:02:59,497 --> 02:03:03,751 (tense suspenseful music) - It is Tuesday 26th January, 2274 02:03:04,043 --> 02:03:07,213 1988, and on behalf of the staff 2275 02:03:07,505 --> 02:03:09,007 at the Better and Broad Northwest Radio, 2276 02:03:09,299 --> 02:03:11,092 I'd just like to wish this great nation of ours 2277 02:03:11,384 --> 02:03:16,180 a happy 200th birthday. (tense music) 2278 02:03:18,474 --> 02:03:21,269 - So 1988 is a hugely significant year 2279 02:03:21,561 --> 02:03:25,440 in Australian history, it marked the bicentenary 2280 02:03:25,732 --> 02:03:30,528 of white settlement, it's Invasion Day. 2281 02:03:31,487 --> 02:03:33,907 (tense music) 2282 02:03:37,493 --> 02:03:38,578 The government sanctioned ads, 2283 02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:40,997 there were huge, you know, parties at the opera house. 2284 02:03:41,289 --> 02:03:42,957 There were government funded ads 2285 02:03:43,249 --> 02:03:45,585 that were this little celebration of a nation. 2286 02:03:46,628 --> 02:03:48,129 And these odd little horror films, 2287 02:03:48,421 --> 02:03:52,467 just that seemed like nothing, start to critique that. 2288 02:03:52,759 --> 02:03:54,052 Two films came out 2289 02:03:54,344 --> 02:03:56,512 that I think are really, really interesting, 2290 02:03:56,804 --> 02:03:57,847 and I don't think they mean to be. 2291 02:03:58,139 --> 02:03:59,724 And I love this about horror 2292 02:04:00,016 --> 02:04:02,977 in that sometimes they just capture a moment 2293 02:04:03,269 --> 02:04:05,146 or articulate something that they don't even know 2294 02:04:05,438 --> 02:04:06,689 that they're articulating. 2295 02:04:06,981 --> 02:04:07,565 (suspenseful music) - Look, the stones 2296 02:04:07,857 --> 02:04:10,526 aren't such a mystery, not when you consider where you live. 2297 02:04:10,818 --> 02:04:12,737 - How do you mean? - Well, your street 2298 02:04:13,029 --> 02:04:14,781 is the side of an old Aboriginal burial ground. 2299 02:04:15,073 --> 02:04:16,991 There was quite a protest about it a couple of years ago 2300 02:04:17,283 --> 02:04:19,118 when the area was being developed, 2301 02:04:19,410 --> 02:04:21,621 I was involved in it myself actually. 2302 02:04:21,913 --> 02:04:22,914 I'm surprised you didn't know 2303 02:04:23,206 --> 02:04:25,291 because your father's company was the developer. 2304 02:04:25,583 --> 02:04:27,418 - That film is hugely significant 2305 02:04:27,710 --> 02:04:30,838 because it's really the closest, one of the few places 2306 02:04:31,130 --> 02:04:34,258 in the mainstream white imagination 2307 02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:36,177 where we started getting a critique. 2308 02:04:36,469 --> 02:04:37,679 And maybe this isn't cool. 2309 02:04:39,764 --> 02:04:41,224 There was another film that came out that year 2310 02:04:41,516 --> 02:04:43,810 that I adored called "The Dreaming." 2311 02:04:44,102 --> 02:04:47,063 (tense ominous music) 2312 02:04:58,408 --> 02:04:59,951 The main character is a doctor 2313 02:05:00,243 --> 02:05:03,204 and she is working in an emergency ward, 2314 02:05:03,496 --> 02:05:06,165 and a young indigenous woman comes in and she dies. 2315 02:05:06,457 --> 02:05:09,585 And after her death, the doctor starts having nightmares 2316 02:05:09,877 --> 02:05:14,215 about the past. (tense suspenseful music) 2317 02:05:15,758 --> 02:05:18,094 It's a really interesting movie specifically, 2318 02:05:18,386 --> 02:05:23,182 again, for 1988, the year of the supposed celebrations 2319 02:05:23,808 --> 02:05:26,936 of the bicentenary because it draws a direct parallel 2320 02:05:27,228 --> 02:05:30,773 between colonial violence and gender violence. 2321 02:05:31,065 --> 02:05:33,943 (tense spooky music) 2322 02:05:40,867 --> 02:05:41,743 (crowd yelling) - The connection 2323 02:05:42,035 --> 02:05:44,370 between invasion, genocide, and gendered violence 2324 02:05:44,662 --> 02:05:45,580 can also be seen in things 2325 02:05:45,872 --> 02:05:48,875 like Marcin Wrona's 2015 film "Demon." 2326 02:05:49,917 --> 02:05:54,839 - "Demon" is loosely based on the idea of the dybbuk. 2327 02:05:55,339 --> 02:05:57,008 The dybbuk comes from Jewish folklore, 2328 02:05:57,300 --> 02:06:00,970 it's a clinging ghost that attaches itself 2329 02:06:01,262 --> 02:06:02,472 to somebody who is living 2330 02:06:02,764 --> 02:06:04,849 and effectively possesses them. 2331 02:06:05,141 --> 02:06:09,854 Most famously, the idea of the dybbuk comes from a play 2332 02:06:10,146 --> 02:06:14,025 written by the Russian folklorist, polemicist, writer 2333 02:06:14,317 --> 02:06:18,071 S. Ansky, and made into a film in 1937. 2334 02:06:19,155 --> 02:06:24,077 (calm upbeat music) - What is most significant 2335 02:06:24,952 --> 02:06:29,874 in terms of the film's relationship to the folklore 2336 02:06:31,167 --> 02:06:35,296 is that the clinging ghost is ultimately defeated 2337 02:06:35,588 --> 02:06:38,174 not through a formal exorcism process, 2338 02:06:38,466 --> 02:06:43,262 but through the great rabbi remembering his own ancestry. 2339 02:06:44,222 --> 02:06:48,392 (upbeat music) Jumping ahead to 2015, 2340 02:06:48,684 --> 02:06:52,772 and Marcin Wrona's remarkable film "Demon", 2341 02:06:53,064 --> 02:06:56,400 we get another kind of dybbuk narrative. 2342 02:06:56,692 --> 02:06:58,611 (tense dramatic music) 2343 02:06:58,903 --> 02:06:59,695 (glass crunches) 2344 02:06:59,987 --> 02:07:00,822 (Piotr and Zaneta laugh) - Piotr and Zaneta 2345 02:07:01,114 --> 02:07:03,741 are getting married on the family homestead, 2346 02:07:04,033 --> 02:07:06,869 property that Zaneta's father owns 2347 02:07:07,161 --> 02:07:09,997 and is giving as a wedding present to the young couple. 2348 02:07:10,289 --> 02:07:12,792 The vast majority of the film takes place over one night, 2349 02:07:13,084 --> 02:07:15,711 the night of the wedding itself. 2350 02:07:16,003 --> 02:07:19,632 On his first night there, Piotr uncovers some bones. 2351 02:07:19,924 --> 02:07:21,592 (ominous music) - It turns out 2352 02:07:21,884 --> 02:07:24,428 this land being given to them as a wedding present 2353 02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,140 is the site of a massacre where all the Jewish inhabitants 2354 02:07:27,431 --> 02:07:29,642 of the village were killed during the Holocaust. 2355 02:07:30,643 --> 02:07:35,565 - The film positions itself as a way of recounting 2356 02:07:35,940 --> 02:07:38,860 the past of this little village in Poland, 2357 02:07:39,819 --> 02:07:43,322 that has quite literally covered up what happened there 2358 02:07:43,614 --> 02:07:47,076 in terms of the Nazi genocide. 2359 02:07:47,368 --> 02:07:49,829 This is not a history which is recognized 2360 02:07:50,121 --> 02:07:51,539 within the village itself. 2361 02:08:36,167 --> 02:08:37,501 - [Crowd] Zaneta! 2362 02:08:37,919 --> 02:08:41,088 (spooky ominous music) 2363 02:08:43,799 --> 02:08:48,012 - In 2019, Jayro Bustamante used the folk legend La Llorona 2364 02:08:48,304 --> 02:08:49,347 to talk about the genocide 2365 02:08:49,639 --> 02:08:52,141 of the indigenous Mayan population in Guatemala, 2366 02:08:52,433 --> 02:08:55,061 what's known as 0 Holocausto silencioso, 2367 02:08:55,353 --> 02:08:56,520 the Silent Holocaust. 2368 02:08:58,940 --> 02:09:01,776 La Llorona"s this like old story, depends who you ask it, 2369 02:09:02,068 --> 02:09:03,152 but it has to do with one thing, 2370 02:09:03,444 --> 02:09:05,154 when Hernan Cortes, who was the big conquistador, 2371 02:09:05,446 --> 02:09:07,615 came to Mexico, he married La Malinche, 2372 02:09:07,907 --> 02:09:11,619 who was an Indian woman that was given to him as a present, 2373 02:09:11,911 --> 02:09:15,831 she was a slave, but she understood other languages. 2374 02:09:16,123 --> 02:09:18,626 And she had like a ability for languages 2375 02:09:18,918 --> 02:09:20,336 and she starts learning Spanish. 2376 02:09:20,628 --> 02:09:23,839 So she became translator for the conquistador, 2377 02:09:24,131 --> 02:09:26,175 and, of course, they had children together, 2378 02:09:26,467 --> 02:09:27,385 and that was like the first, you know, 2379 02:09:27,677 --> 02:09:29,220 they say that she's the mother of the Mexican, 2380 02:09:29,512 --> 02:09:30,930 the first, you know crossbreeding. 2381 02:09:31,222 --> 02:09:34,058 And from that came the idea that eventually 2382 02:09:34,350 --> 02:09:37,311 Cortes had children with other women, and he left her, 2383 02:09:37,603 --> 02:09:38,604 and there was like some drama. 2384 02:09:38,896 --> 02:09:42,400 And so the idea of the rich man or the white man 2385 02:09:42,692 --> 02:09:45,611 that falls in love with the Indian and then leaves her, 2386 02:09:45,903 --> 02:09:47,780 and she's scorned and she's like sad, 2387 02:09:48,072 --> 02:09:49,907 and drowned the children. 2388 02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:52,493 And then when she realizes what she had done, 2389 02:09:52,785 --> 02:09:53,911 she would kill herself. 2390 02:09:54,203 --> 02:09:56,664 But, of course, her spirit would stay 2391 02:09:56,956 --> 02:10:00,459 and, you know, go howl at night, "Ah, mis hijos." 2392 02:10:05,631 --> 02:10:08,801 (dramatic suspenseful music) (woman screams) 2393 02:10:09,093 --> 02:10:10,803 - It's not something that's only in Mexico, 2394 02:10:11,095 --> 02:10:12,972 the Llorona takes stuff that, you know, 2395 02:10:13,264 --> 02:10:16,100 Medea, you know, the mother that kills the children, 2396 02:10:16,392 --> 02:10:19,228 there's the ubume from Japan, which is the yokai 2397 02:10:20,354 --> 02:10:21,939 for the women that die in childbirth. 2398 02:10:22,231 --> 02:10:24,442 There's the Banshee from Ireland, you know, 2399 02:10:24,734 --> 02:10:27,403 the screaming, "Ah, mis hijos," it's the equivalent. 2400 02:10:27,695 --> 02:10:30,323 So I think it's super interesting how these myths 2401 02:10:30,614 --> 02:10:31,824 are like all around the world, 2402 02:10:32,116 --> 02:10:34,493 they just have different names and we make it local. 2403 02:10:36,203 --> 02:10:38,622 (tense music) 2404 02:11:12,031 --> 02:11:15,785 (Valeriana speaks in Spanish) 2405 02:11:27,963 --> 02:11:30,508 (gentle ominous music) - And where commonly, 2406 02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,427 the La Llorona legend has her drowning her own children, 2407 02:11:33,719 --> 02:11:36,013 here her children are being drowned in front of her 2408 02:11:36,305 --> 02:11:39,308 by the soldiers of a dictator who's massacring her people. 2409 02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,103 So it calls attention to what the story is 2410 02:11:42,395 --> 02:11:44,563 depending on who gets to be the storyteller. 2411 02:11:44,855 --> 02:11:47,066 (gentle suspenseful music) - So were water imagery's 2412 02:11:47,358 --> 02:11:49,735 always been important in the Llorona mythology 2413 02:11:50,027 --> 02:11:52,863 because of its maternal associations, 2414 02:11:53,155 --> 02:11:55,449 here it becomes a symbol of national trauma. 2415 02:12:14,927 --> 02:12:17,888 (suspenseful music) - I think that drowning 2416 02:12:18,180 --> 02:12:21,225 or being submerged in a river or a lake 2417 02:12:21,517 --> 02:12:23,727 is such a potent image for these films, 2418 02:12:24,019 --> 02:12:27,064 I think because the lake is a communal place, 2419 02:12:27,356 --> 02:12:29,567 it provides sustenance to the community. 2420 02:12:29,859 --> 02:12:32,027 And so it instantly implicates the community 2421 02:12:32,319 --> 02:12:34,864 and becomes a source of collective guilt. 2422 02:12:35,156 --> 02:12:36,782 (calm music) - This comes into play 2423 02:12:37,074 --> 02:12:40,077 also in a Japanese film called "Shikoku." 2424 02:12:40,369 --> 02:12:43,038 "Shikoku" is the smallest of the main islands 2425 02:12:43,330 --> 02:12:45,583 that make up Japan. 2426 02:12:45,875 --> 02:12:48,377 It means literally fourth kingdom. 2427 02:12:48,669 --> 02:12:51,630 This, again, was a hotbed for traditional Buddhism 2428 02:12:51,922 --> 02:12:54,216 and they had a very famous Pilgrim tour 2429 02:12:54,508 --> 02:12:56,886 that you do between 88 temples. 2430 02:12:59,096 --> 02:13:02,516 So the story was that a girl goes back to her countryside 2431 02:13:02,808 --> 02:13:05,686 where she grew up and her best friend from high school 2432 02:13:05,978 --> 02:13:09,064 drowned in a lake five years before. 2433 02:13:09,356 --> 02:13:12,067 And she's sort of coming back and haunting. 2434 02:13:12,359 --> 02:13:14,778 (lake burbling) 2435 02:13:17,907 --> 02:13:20,576 We find out that the mother of the dead girl 2436 02:13:20,868 --> 02:13:23,662 is going around and doing the pilgrimage backwards. 2437 02:13:25,206 --> 02:13:26,499 (crow screeching) - And then in "Noroi", 2438 02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:30,002 which was one of the earlier Japanese found footage films, 2439 02:13:30,294 --> 02:13:32,421 the entire village itself is drowned. 2440 02:13:32,713 --> 02:13:35,508 A dam is built on the site and the folk rituals 2441 02:13:35,799 --> 02:13:37,176 that have been observed for centuries 2442 02:13:37,468 --> 02:13:39,803 to appease a local demon are disrupted, 2443 02:13:40,095 --> 02:13:41,889 with dire consequences, of course. 2444 02:14:15,172 --> 02:14:19,176 (gentle suspenseful music) - But a lot of it 2445 02:14:19,468 --> 02:14:21,762 is about building on top of something else, 2446 02:14:22,054 --> 02:14:24,348 so basically anywhere people have moved, 2447 02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:27,351 or displaced other people or other cultures, 2448 02:14:27,643 --> 02:14:30,145 or where older traditions are being transported 2449 02:14:30,437 --> 02:14:33,274 to new environments, you're gonna find folk horror. 2450 02:14:33,566 --> 02:14:37,111 (mystical suspenseful music) 2451 02:14:38,821 --> 02:14:43,742 - We are largely a culture of migrants, so our traditions, 2452 02:14:44,827 --> 02:14:47,663 apart from obviously the indigenous traditions, 2453 02:14:47,955 --> 02:14:49,915 are imported from elsewhere. 2454 02:14:50,207 --> 02:14:51,959 There are some examples of Australian folk horror 2455 02:14:52,251 --> 02:14:54,628 that fit more within the European tradition. 2456 02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:57,965 And one of those would be the early '80s film 2457 02:14:58,257 --> 02:14:59,383 "Alison's Birthday." 2458 02:14:59,675 --> 02:15:03,512 (group chanting in foreign language) 2459 02:15:03,804 --> 02:15:06,098 This young girl, Alison, becomes drawn 2460 02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:10,436 into a strange Celtic cult, and they have decided 2461 02:15:10,728 --> 02:15:13,230 that she's going to be the vessel for their ancient goddess 2462 02:15:13,522 --> 02:15:14,356 that they worship. 2463 02:15:14,648 --> 02:15:16,525 (thunder crackles) - Skip, skip, 2464 02:15:16,817 --> 02:15:19,820 skipping on the ends of their toes ran the Hobyahs. 2465 02:15:20,112 --> 02:15:23,032 And the Hobyahs cried, "Pull down the hemp storks, 2466 02:15:23,324 --> 02:15:27,286 eat up the little old man, carry off the little old woman." 2467 02:15:27,578 --> 02:15:29,163 - When we think of Australian horror movies 2468 02:15:29,455 --> 02:15:32,291 about a young child who is obsessed with a haunted 2469 02:15:32,583 --> 02:15:34,877 or a spooky storybook, we, of course, 2470 02:15:35,169 --> 02:15:36,629 think of "The Babadook", 2471 02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:38,422 but it's predated by "Celia." 2472 02:15:38,714 --> 02:15:42,259 And Celia's a young school girl who is told a story 2473 02:15:42,551 --> 02:15:43,886 at school, there's a book at her school 2474 02:15:44,178 --> 02:15:45,554 called "The Hobyahs." 2475 02:15:45,846 --> 02:15:47,640 It's apparently a Scottish tale, 2476 02:15:47,931 --> 02:15:50,017 but it was very much imported 2477 02:15:50,309 --> 02:15:52,186 and reinterpreted in Australia. 2478 02:15:52,478 --> 02:15:55,314 It was put in a formal collection of fairytales initially 2479 02:15:55,606 --> 02:15:58,400 and then an Australian folklorist picked it up 2480 02:15:58,692 --> 02:16:01,278 and it really became part of Australian folklore. 2481 02:16:01,570 --> 02:16:04,615 ♪ There was a Wild Colonial Boy ♪ 2482 02:16:04,907 --> 02:16:08,160 ♪ Jack Duggan was his name ♪ 2483 02:16:08,452 --> 02:16:12,414 ♪ He was born and raised in Ireland ♪ 2484 02:16:12,706 --> 02:16:15,751 ♪ In a place called Castlemain ♪ 2485 02:16:16,043 --> 02:16:18,420 - A lot of Australian folklore stems from 2486 02:16:18,712 --> 02:16:22,091 what I guess we can call the Wild Colonial Boy's imagination 2487 02:16:22,383 --> 02:16:25,511 and this, the origins of this lie in a ballad, 2488 02:16:25,803 --> 02:16:27,096 an Australian Irish ballad 2489 02:16:27,388 --> 02:16:29,932 called "The Wild Colonial Boy" singular. 2490 02:16:30,224 --> 02:16:33,686 ♪ At the early age of sixteen years ♪ 2491 02:16:33,977 --> 02:16:36,897 ♪ He left his native home ♪ ♪ Whoa ♪ 2492 02:16:37,189 --> 02:16:41,026 - And it's so deep in there, it's not just in film 2493 02:16:41,318 --> 02:16:44,530 and fiction, it's in the newscast, 2494 02:16:44,822 --> 02:16:45,823 it's in football coverage. 2495 02:16:46,115 --> 02:16:47,741 This idea that, you know, we are the lads 2496 02:16:48,033 --> 02:16:50,369 and we will band together and we will fight the law. 2497 02:16:50,661 --> 02:16:52,788 The legacy of the Wild Colonial Boy, you can see in things 2498 02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:56,041 like "Ned Kelly", true crime films, obviously, "Chopper", 2499 02:16:56,333 --> 02:16:59,628 things like "The Boys" and "Snowtown". 2500 02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,297 But "Wake in Fright" would be the obvious go-to place 2501 02:17:02,589 --> 02:17:03,632 to really feel the legacy 2502 02:17:03,924 --> 02:17:08,637 of the Wild Colonial Boy's legend in Australian 2503 02:17:08,929 --> 02:17:11,473 horror film history. - All right, everybody, 2504 02:17:11,765 --> 02:17:13,183 fair do. - Fair go. 2505 02:17:13,475 --> 02:17:15,519 Fair go. - I think ritual 2506 02:17:15,811 --> 02:17:18,939 in "Wake in Fright" operates on a number of levels. 2507 02:17:19,231 --> 02:17:23,068 So there's probably just a level of these are some customs 2508 02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:25,779 that are common in Australia, like playing two-up 2509 02:17:26,071 --> 02:17:27,656 or going out and shooting kangaroos 2510 02:17:27,948 --> 02:17:30,033 to keep the kangaroo population down. 2511 02:17:31,201 --> 02:17:35,164 But in the town that we see depicted in the film, 2512 02:17:36,707 --> 02:17:40,961 these activities are sort of taken to a heightened level. 2513 02:17:41,253 --> 02:17:44,590 So two-up becomes a very powerful sort of game 2514 02:17:44,882 --> 02:17:48,719 of fate and destiny. (dramatic music) 2515 02:17:52,097 --> 02:17:54,600 (boom booming) 2516 02:17:56,351 --> 02:17:59,688 (suspenseful drum music) 2517 02:18:21,335 --> 02:18:23,504 (ominous music) - The colonial settlement 2518 02:18:23,796 --> 02:18:25,506 of Brazil brought a lot of the same fears 2519 02:18:25,798 --> 02:18:28,342 about contact between different systems of faith 2520 02:18:28,634 --> 02:18:30,552 that we see in North American folk horror. 2521 02:18:37,351 --> 02:18:40,729 - Candomble is the African Brazilian religion 2522 02:18:41,021 --> 02:18:45,776 which retains most of its Aboriginal elements, 2523 02:18:46,068 --> 02:18:50,697 native elements when it was celebrated back in Africa. 2524 02:18:50,989 --> 02:18:55,118 The religion was brought to Brazil by the African slaves, 2525 02:18:55,410 --> 02:19:00,207 but it was very readily repressed by slave masters, 2526 02:19:00,499 --> 02:19:02,459 authorities, the clergy, 2527 02:19:02,751 --> 02:19:06,964 and was mostly practiced in secrecy. 2528 02:19:08,924 --> 02:19:11,885 Umbanda is basically Candomble 2529 02:19:12,177 --> 02:19:16,473 mixed with a Christian element, mostly of Catholicism, 2530 02:19:16,765 --> 02:19:21,562 and some of another very famous religion practiced in Brazil 2531 02:19:21,895 --> 02:19:23,856 which is Kardecist spiritualism. 2532 02:19:24,147 --> 02:19:28,068 And it came from France from the medium, Allan Kardec, 2533 02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:29,862 which created this Christian religion 2534 02:19:30,153 --> 02:19:32,781 based on spiritual communication with the dead. 2535 02:19:33,073 --> 02:19:33,949 (dramatic music) 2536 02:19:34,241 --> 02:19:34,950 (crickets chirping) 2537 02:19:35,242 --> 02:19:39,621 There is a third branch of the African Brazilian religions 2538 02:19:39,913 --> 02:19:44,710 which is something very small, very marginal, 2539 02:19:45,419 --> 02:19:49,923 and very frowned upon by the practitioners of Candomble 2540 02:19:50,215 --> 02:19:54,136 and Umbanda, which is a branch called Kimbunda. 2541 02:19:55,470 --> 02:19:59,141 Kimbunda is technically what the practitioners 2542 02:19:59,433 --> 02:20:01,977 of Umbanda and Candomble will call Macumba. 2543 02:20:02,269 --> 02:20:06,982 Macumba is sorcery, it's using the powers of, you know, 2544 02:20:07,274 --> 02:20:12,070 the spiritual world for your personal individual advantage. 2545 02:20:13,322 --> 02:20:18,243 This practice of calling African Brazilian religions Macumba 2546 02:20:18,619 --> 02:20:23,123 or dismissing all African Brazilian religions as witchcraft 2547 02:20:23,415 --> 02:20:25,208 or devil worship in disguise, 2548 02:20:26,585 --> 02:20:31,256 that all came from the Brazilian Christendom. 2549 02:20:45,312 --> 02:20:47,898 (bird chirping) 2550 02:20:59,242 --> 02:21:01,578 (calm music) 2551 02:21:27,229 --> 02:21:30,649 (tense suspenseful music) 2552 02:22:26,246 --> 02:22:28,665 (fire blazes) 2553 02:22:34,921 --> 02:22:38,884 (gentle ominous music) - And I think 2554 02:22:39,176 --> 02:22:40,761 "As Filhas Do Fogo" also deliberately 2555 02:22:41,053 --> 02:22:43,722 recalls the Nazi associations with folk tradition. 2556 02:22:46,349 --> 02:22:49,436 - If we go back far enough, say for example, 2557 02:22:49,728 --> 02:22:53,190 to Johann Gottfried von Herder ideas 2558 02:22:53,482 --> 02:22:58,278 of romantic nationalism, Herder was a German philosopher 2559 02:22:59,446 --> 02:23:04,159 in the 1700s who recognized or who felt 2560 02:23:04,451 --> 02:23:09,122 that the true spirit of Germany lay in “das volk,” 2561 02:23:09,414 --> 02:23:13,460 the folk, the people of the villages, of the mountains, 2562 02:23:13,752 --> 02:23:15,962 that this is where you would really find 2563 02:23:16,254 --> 02:23:18,882 the true spirit of Germany. 2564 02:23:19,174 --> 02:23:22,344 Had tremendous repercussions, it's what sparked 2565 02:23:22,636 --> 02:23:26,139 the Grimm brothers, for example, to start their collections, 2566 02:23:26,431 --> 02:23:31,144 and really got the whole folk narrative ball rolling, 2567 02:23:31,436 --> 02:23:35,232 as it were, in the late 18th century 2568 02:23:35,524 --> 02:23:37,275 and into the 19th century. 2569 02:23:37,567 --> 02:23:40,362 Now, of course, this idea of the true spirit of Germany, 2570 02:23:40,654 --> 02:23:44,491 being in the countryside was particularly popular 2571 02:23:44,783 --> 02:23:46,868 with the Nazi period. 2572 02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:49,621 And the whole notion of das volk, 2573 02:23:49,913 --> 02:23:51,957 and creating within the Third Reich 2574 02:23:52,249 --> 02:23:55,585 a sense of the true spirit of the people was, of course, 2575 02:23:55,877 --> 02:23:58,880 very important to the Nazis. - And this connects 2576 02:23:59,172 --> 02:24:03,176 to what is now very well documented, Nazi occult research. 2577 02:24:03,468 --> 02:24:06,763 (tense suspenseful music) 2578 02:24:36,751 --> 02:24:38,461 (dramatic music) - It's well-known 2579 02:24:38,753 --> 02:24:41,214 that Nazi occultist Otto Rahn was an influence 2580 02:24:41,506 --> 02:24:44,259 on "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and it connects to the role 2581 02:24:44,551 --> 02:24:46,511 of the seeker or the archeologist 2582 02:24:46,803 --> 02:24:49,306 that became really important in these films. 2583 02:24:49,598 --> 02:24:51,224 (sand whooshing) - In the late 1930s, 2584 02:24:51,516 --> 02:24:53,894 there was this big discovery of ruins. 2585 02:24:54,186 --> 02:24:56,479 There was a very famous archeologist, Alfonso Caso, 2586 02:24:56,771 --> 02:24:59,357 who made of discovering world super-important books 2587 02:24:59,649 --> 02:25:00,483 that kind of changed the outlook 2588 02:25:00,775 --> 02:25:01,693 of our geology at that time. 2589 02:25:01,985 --> 02:25:05,322 And a decade later, there was like a boom of these, 2590 02:25:05,614 --> 02:25:08,450 "The Aztec Mummy", "La Cabeza Viviente" 2591 02:25:08,742 --> 02:25:12,662 and all these different incarnations of pre-Hispanic warriors 2592 02:25:14,289 --> 02:25:16,583 that were left in the pyramids and they're awakened 2593 02:25:16,875 --> 02:25:19,878 by these archeologists that come to bother their slumber. 2594 02:25:20,170 --> 02:25:23,465 And they start attacking people and killing them, 2595 02:25:23,757 --> 02:25:27,594 and, you know, trying to reenact sacrificial practices 2596 02:25:27,886 --> 02:25:29,596 tied to the old gods. 2597 02:25:29,888 --> 02:25:31,014 And I think it was very interesting 2598 02:25:31,306 --> 02:25:32,766 how that thing that actually happened, 2599 02:25:33,058 --> 02:25:36,102 the discoveries, started affecting these movies. 2600 02:25:36,394 --> 02:25:41,191 (horn blares) (tense suspenseful music) 2601 02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:44,110 Those movies, those old movies was the first time 2602 02:25:44,402 --> 02:25:46,696 that you would see, talking about the pyramids, 2603 02:25:46,988 --> 02:25:49,741 and the old Mexico, and all the indigenous empires, 2604 02:25:50,033 --> 02:25:51,576 you would have a representation. 2605 02:25:51,868 --> 02:25:53,370 (calm music) I find it super interesting 2606 02:25:53,662 --> 02:25:55,956 that there's always like a cult of people 2607 02:25:56,248 --> 02:25:59,000 that still believe in the old gods 2608 02:25:59,292 --> 02:26:01,670 and they're like embedded within the society. 2609 02:26:01,962 --> 02:26:03,755 And even though they wear a tie and suit, you know, 2610 02:26:04,047 --> 02:26:06,049 they have to do a ritual at night. 2611 02:26:07,759 --> 02:26:10,095 There's a very important movie made in '37 2612 02:26:10,387 --> 02:26:11,680 called "El Signo de la Muerte" 2613 02:26:11,972 --> 02:26:15,267 in which one of the famous archeologist, who runs the museum 2614 02:26:15,558 --> 02:26:17,394 and is like the leading scientist, 2615 02:26:17,686 --> 02:26:21,189 he's also leader of a sect, a cult. 2616 02:26:21,481 --> 02:26:24,359 They're kidnapping women for human sacrifices 2617 02:26:24,651 --> 02:26:26,736 and they're doing them underneath the museum. 2618 02:26:27,862 --> 02:26:30,073 I think that's amazing about all these beliefs 2619 02:26:30,365 --> 02:26:32,951 is that they've been kept down for years, 2620 02:26:33,243 --> 02:26:35,620 they try to erase them, like the Mexican Conquest 2621 02:26:35,912 --> 02:26:38,623 was dark shit, like they killed everybody. 2622 02:26:38,915 --> 02:26:40,083 They burned everything. 2623 02:26:40,375 --> 02:26:42,669 They wanted to erase the culture 2624 02:26:42,961 --> 02:26:45,422 and it seemed like they did, but it keeps coming back. 2625 02:26:45,714 --> 02:26:47,257 It keeps coming back, it's like waves. 2626 02:26:47,549 --> 02:26:50,927 (gentle suspenseful music) 2627 02:26:55,265 --> 02:26:57,767 (Joe groaning) 2628 02:27:01,313 --> 02:27:03,982 (dramatic music) 2629 02:27:05,191 --> 02:27:08,486 (suspenseful music) - You get the weird 2630 02:27:08,778 --> 02:27:11,197 fascination that Catholics have with paganism. 2631 02:27:12,657 --> 02:27:14,117 At the same time as they refuse it, 2632 02:27:14,409 --> 02:27:16,953 at the same time that I think that's a sort of envy 2633 02:27:17,245 --> 02:27:19,372 of what they perceive as being the freedom 2634 02:27:19,664 --> 02:27:21,207 that pagan have with everything. 2635 02:27:21,499 --> 02:27:24,753 - Ah! - There's another film, 2636 02:27:25,045 --> 02:27:28,923 which I think needs to be discussed in light 2637 02:27:29,215 --> 02:27:31,343 of the whole concept of folk horror 2638 02:27:31,634 --> 02:27:34,971 and that's Brunello Rondi's 1963 film "The Demon", 2639 02:27:35,263 --> 02:27:37,724 about a young woman in a village 2640 02:27:38,016 --> 02:27:41,644 who is thought to be a witch, has embraced witchcraft, 2641 02:27:41,936 --> 02:27:45,023 and uses it to curse the man who rejected her. 2642 02:27:56,076 --> 02:28:00,997 (wood thuds) (gentle suspenseful music) 2643 02:28:20,517 --> 02:28:22,227 (crowd chattering) - Rondi creates this 2644 02:28:22,519 --> 02:28:25,563 ethnographic background for the central narrative 2645 02:28:25,855 --> 02:28:27,482 to play out in front of. 2646 02:28:27,774 --> 02:28:31,945 It's this Southern Italian village 2647 02:28:32,237 --> 02:28:35,490 filled with superstition and folk ritual. 2648 02:28:35,782 --> 02:28:38,660 (crowd singing) - You can see 2649 02:28:38,952 --> 02:28:41,454 in "Il Demonio" how integrated Catholicism is 2650 02:28:41,746 --> 02:28:43,665 with the older superstitious or pagan traditions. 2651 02:28:43,957 --> 02:28:47,585 And there's a strong sense of natural worship leftover 2652 02:28:47,877 --> 02:28:49,921 and adapted into their brand of Christianity. 2653 02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:58,680 (dramatic music) - You could almost see 2654 02:28:58,972 --> 02:29:02,350 "The Demon" as a kind of prequel to Fulci's 2655 02:29:02,642 --> 02:29:04,144 "Don't Torture a Duckling", 2656 02:29:04,436 --> 02:29:07,355 specifically the character of Maciara, 2657 02:29:07,647 --> 02:29:11,526 the witch played by Florinda Bolkan in Fulci's film. 2658 02:29:11,818 --> 02:29:15,488 How she is created as an outsider to the village, 2659 02:29:15,780 --> 02:29:20,577 how she is put upon, how she is tortured by the villagers. 2660 02:29:22,287 --> 02:29:24,164 They want her there as a wise woman, 2661 02:29:24,456 --> 02:29:29,085 but they also despise her for being outside of the norm. 2662 02:29:29,377 --> 02:29:31,838 (ominous music) 2663 02:29:35,967 --> 02:29:40,847 - That is a very much a Southern Italian folk habit. 2664 02:29:43,183 --> 02:29:46,811 (dramatic music) (Maciara spits) 2665 02:29:47,103 --> 02:29:48,855 (gentle suspenseful music) "Dark Waters" 2666 02:29:49,147 --> 02:29:53,151 in some ways was obviously born from having grown up 2667 02:29:53,443 --> 02:29:55,153 with that version of Catholic religion. 2668 02:29:58,406 --> 02:30:02,327 Then the element of the Catholic religion 2669 02:30:02,619 --> 02:30:06,956 versus some older religion IN a way was a consequence, 2670 02:30:07,248 --> 02:30:11,294 of the story mainly was about you going back 2671 02:30:11,586 --> 02:30:15,006 to a place where you came from and realizing 2672 02:30:15,298 --> 02:30:18,051 that where you came from wasn't exactly what you thought. 2673 02:30:18,343 --> 02:30:22,347 And also having to face, okay, where do I come from? 2674 02:30:22,639 --> 02:30:25,558 (dramatic music) 2675 02:30:25,850 --> 02:30:27,810 (calm, upbeat music) - Where it could not destroy 2676 02:30:28,102 --> 02:30:31,814 the previous beliefs, Christianity adopted, physically 2677 02:30:32,106 --> 02:30:34,901 and spiritually, the temples and rites 2678 02:30:35,193 --> 02:30:36,236 of the older religions. 2679 02:30:38,363 --> 02:30:41,115 Churches built on pagan mounds, 2680 02:30:41,407 --> 02:30:44,452 one of the most extraordinary of these converted stones 2681 02:30:44,744 --> 02:30:48,122 is this huge minia which has been carved 2682 02:30:48,414 --> 02:30:50,124 apparently with Christian symbols. 2683 02:30:51,334 --> 02:30:52,418 But only apparently. 2684 02:30:53,962 --> 02:30:56,089 Persecution made the disguise necessary. 2685 02:30:57,757 --> 02:31:00,510 All symbols of witchcraft. 2686 02:31:00,802 --> 02:31:03,429 (suspenseful music) - This particular spot 2687 02:31:03,721 --> 02:31:05,974 is called the Morenci cross, 2688 02:31:06,266 --> 02:31:09,143 which originally was a stone marker 2689 02:31:09,435 --> 02:31:12,647 covered with pagan faces, possibly representing 2690 02:31:12,939 --> 02:31:15,858 the Sun God of the Gauls, Belenus. 2691 02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:19,612 But in the 17th century, the original stone was destroyed, 2692 02:31:19,904 --> 02:31:22,907 and the stone cross here now to the original rock 2693 02:31:23,199 --> 02:31:25,493 was put in its place to Christianize 2694 02:31:25,785 --> 02:31:27,870 what was originally a pagan site. 2695 02:31:28,162 --> 02:31:30,623 (ominous music) 2696 02:31:35,211 --> 02:31:38,798 - Russian paganism and the Orthodox church had found 2697 02:31:39,090 --> 02:31:41,551 a kind of accommodation where they could accept 2698 02:31:41,843 --> 02:31:42,969 each other's presence. 2699 02:31:48,349 --> 02:31:52,061 "Viy" is the old story of somebody having to spend 2700 02:31:52,353 --> 02:31:54,355 some time in a creepy place. 2701 02:31:54,647 --> 02:31:59,444 A woman dies and asks a seminarian, a training priest, 2702 02:32:00,695 --> 02:32:04,324 to come and say prayers over her body for three nights. 2703 02:32:11,289 --> 02:32:13,541 One of the things it's about is about the clash 2704 02:32:13,833 --> 02:32:17,295 between the Catholic church and paganism. 2705 02:32:18,379 --> 02:32:21,007 And that was something that had gone on 2706 02:32:21,299 --> 02:32:23,301 for quite a long time in the Soviet Union. 2707 02:32:24,594 --> 02:32:27,430 (seminary sneezes) 2708 02:32:27,722 --> 02:32:31,851 It's also about the depth of the hero's faith 2709 02:32:32,143 --> 02:32:36,939 and whether he has sufficient faith to shun paganism. 2710 02:32:39,859 --> 02:32:44,781 (dramatic suspenseful music) - There are a lot of 2711 02:32:45,073 --> 02:32:47,867 really interesting examples of Eastern European films 2712 02:32:48,159 --> 02:32:51,371 that maybe someone wouldn't directly describe as horror, 2713 02:32:52,538 --> 02:32:55,583 - Ah! - but leave you 2714 02:32:55,875 --> 02:32:58,336 with this just feeling of knowing that violence 2715 02:32:58,628 --> 02:33:01,964 IS inevitable. (dramatic music) 2716 02:33:03,549 --> 02:33:05,968 (calm upbeat music) - So you see 2717 02:33:06,260 --> 02:33:09,305 in the '60s and '70s, a group of films coming out 2718 02:33:09,597 --> 02:33:11,641 that do fit the definition of folk horror, 2719 02:33:11,933 --> 02:33:14,686 they have ritual elements, they have the landscape, 2720 02:33:14,977 --> 02:33:18,356 they have communities in Czech and Slovak films. 2721 02:33:18,648 --> 02:33:21,317 So you have things like "Marketa Lazarova" 2722 02:33:21,609 --> 02:33:23,778 which is like not even really a horror film, 2723 02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:26,280 but it's a drama with horrific elements, 2724 02:33:26,572 --> 02:33:31,369 set in medieval times in this very grim brutal landscape. 2725 02:33:31,661 --> 02:33:35,039 (dramatic ethereal music) 2726 02:33:49,679 --> 02:33:52,640 - I think the most direct parallel that comes to mind 2727 02:33:52,932 --> 02:33:54,642 for a lot of people is something like "Witchhammer" 2728 02:33:54,934 --> 02:33:59,188 from 1970 which is more or less the Czech version 2729 02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:00,815 of "Witchfinder General" 2730 02:34:01,107 --> 02:34:04,152 in the sense that it's a really angry film 2731 02:34:04,444 --> 02:34:05,695 and a really political film. 2732 02:34:05,987 --> 02:34:08,948 And it looks at this idea of political power 2733 02:34:09,240 --> 02:34:11,951 as something that inherently corrupts. 2734 02:34:12,243 --> 02:34:13,453 (woman yelling) - It's based on 2735 02:34:13,745 --> 02:34:16,122 the Malleus Maleficarum and witch hunting, 2736 02:34:16,414 --> 02:34:20,460 it's like another medieval drama with lots of aspects 2737 02:34:20,752 --> 02:34:24,672 of folk horror that you see in "Witchfinder General.” 2738 02:34:26,215 --> 02:34:29,177 (tense music) - And essentially 2739 02:34:29,469 --> 02:34:32,305 it's depicting how the survival of folk customs 2740 02:34:32,597 --> 02:34:34,348 was such a threat to the dominant religion. 2741 02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:37,351 And they were seen as, you know, holding people back 2742 02:34:37,643 --> 02:34:39,979 from cultural progress and in many places 2743 02:34:40,271 --> 02:34:42,815 obliterated to the point where it then created 2744 02:34:43,107 --> 02:34:44,650 this whole field of ethnography. 2745 02:34:44,942 --> 02:34:47,320 People then trying to track and document 2746 02:34:47,612 --> 02:34:49,489 what little of these beliefs remained. 2747 02:34:52,074 --> 02:34:56,996 (bell chimes) (tense music) 2748 02:35:15,973 --> 02:35:16,933 (tense music) - The "Savage Hunt 2749 02:35:17,225 --> 02:35:20,770 of King Stakh's" about an ethnographer who goes to Belarus, 2750 02:35:21,062 --> 02:35:23,606 he stays in a big creepy castle. 2751 02:35:23,898 --> 02:35:26,943 The hostess is obviously disturbed about something, 2752 02:35:27,235 --> 02:35:29,403 but you don't really know quite what. 2753 02:35:30,947 --> 02:35:34,951 He then goes into the forest to look at ancient rituals. 2754 02:35:37,787 --> 02:35:41,582 Clearly, the story is aimed at saying that science 2755 02:35:41,874 --> 02:35:46,003 and myth, science and legend are two separate worlds. 2756 02:35:46,295 --> 02:35:49,507 And that science will never really understand 2757 02:35:49,799 --> 02:35:54,595 myth or legend and, in a sense, it shouldn't even try. 2758 02:35:55,471 --> 02:35:58,057 (ominous music) 2759 02:35:59,183 --> 02:36:00,601 (woman screaming) 2760 02:36:00,893 --> 02:36:02,645 (dramatic suspenseful music) - If you look 2761 02:36:02,937 --> 02:36:04,939 at Japanese horror film, Japanese horror's 2762 02:36:05,231 --> 02:36:07,400 always been intertwined with folk customs. 2763 02:36:09,277 --> 02:36:09,944 (suspenseful music) - Japan began 2764 02:36:10,236 --> 02:36:12,822 its modernization process, you know, in 1868, 2765 02:36:13,114 --> 02:36:14,532 you had the beginning of the Meiji period 2766 02:36:14,824 --> 02:36:17,368 and Meiji means, sort of literally, “enlightenment.” 2767 02:36:17,660 --> 02:36:20,538 The sort of drive was all about sort of modernization, 2768 02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:24,417 urbanization, development of academic structures, 2769 02:36:24,709 --> 02:36:27,837 and really about drawing a line between the past. 2770 02:36:28,129 --> 02:36:30,339 And there was an anthropologist ethnologist 2771 02:36:30,631 --> 02:36:34,176 called Kunio Yanagita who pioneered this sort of field 2772 02:36:34,468 --> 02:36:36,345 of folk studies in Japan. 2773 02:36:36,637 --> 02:36:39,765 And he used to go around to all these sort of ancient, 2774 02:36:40,057 --> 02:36:41,517 these tiny village communities 2775 02:36:41,809 --> 02:36:44,437 and record their sort of folklore beliefs. 2776 02:36:44,729 --> 02:36:46,606 Sort of in the way, I guess someone like Cecil Sharp 2777 02:36:46,898 --> 02:36:49,692 went round and recorded all sort of morris dancing, 2778 02:36:49,984 --> 02:36:53,779 you know, these traditions from a pre-modern era, 2779 02:36:54,071 --> 02:36:54,906 which were disappearing 2780 02:36:55,197 --> 02:36:56,699 and he was sort of codifying that. 2781 02:36:56,991 --> 02:36:58,659 (suspenseful music) 2782 02:36:58,951 --> 02:37:01,871 And part of this was these phenomenon called yokai, 2783 02:37:02,163 --> 02:37:04,415 it literally means a spirit or a goblin 2784 02:37:04,707 --> 02:37:07,293 or just basically any sort of supernatural being. 2785 02:37:21,182 --> 02:37:23,517 (gentle suspenseful music) - Norio Tsuruta 2786 02:37:23,809 --> 02:37:25,728 directed a film called "Kakashi", 2787 02:37:26,020 --> 02:37:27,396 which was based on the manga 2788 02:37:27,688 --> 02:37:31,150 by a sort of famous horror manga writer, Junji Ito. 2789 02:37:31,442 --> 02:37:34,028 And this, again, was a girl going back to her 2790 02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:35,446 sort of rural background, 2791 02:37:35,738 --> 02:37:39,158 and a small village where they communicate 2792 02:37:39,450 --> 02:37:41,869 with the sort of dead spirits by burning 2793 02:37:42,161 --> 02:37:44,622 these sort of scarecrow like effigies, 2794 02:37:44,914 --> 02:37:47,041 which naturally enough all come to life. 2795 02:37:48,793 --> 02:37:51,712 When you're talking about a country like Japan, 2796 02:37:52,004 --> 02:37:54,548 their cinema, obviously this is not a Christian country, 2797 02:37:54,840 --> 02:37:57,009 so when we're talking about pre-modern sort of the ghosts 2798 02:37:57,301 --> 02:38:01,097 of the past manifesting themselves in landscape, 2799 02:38:01,389 --> 02:38:04,600 a sort of nativist indigenous religion is Shintoism, 2800 02:38:04,892 --> 02:38:07,895 which says that, you know, their spirits and gods 2801 02:38:08,187 --> 02:38:10,815 reside in everything, in trees, in the wind, 2802 02:38:11,107 --> 02:38:13,484 in those sort of patterns in the clouds. 2803 02:38:13,776 --> 02:38:14,860 In absolutely everything. 2804 02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:18,322 More about flows of energy and how you're very much a part 2805 02:38:18,614 --> 02:38:19,824 of this huge system. 2806 02:38:20,116 --> 02:38:22,410 (tense music) 2807 02:38:31,961 --> 02:38:33,546 So I think if there's any sort of folk horror 2808 02:38:33,838 --> 02:38:36,340 in a Japanese context, it's more about people 2809 02:38:36,632 --> 02:38:40,136 being sort of off-kilter with these spirits 2810 02:38:40,428 --> 02:38:42,930 or with the sort of spirits of their ancestors. 2811 02:38:45,891 --> 02:38:48,519 - Lao people believe that besides regular spiritss 2812 02:38:48,811 --> 02:38:51,439 and besides our soul, there are spirits dwelling in nature. 2813 02:38:51,731 --> 02:38:54,400 And this is actually very similar to, for instance, 2814 02:38:54,692 --> 02:38:56,527 indigenous New Zealand, and Australian beliefs, 2815 02:38:56,819 --> 02:38:58,154 and indigenous American beliefs 2816 02:38:58,446 --> 02:39:00,948 where there are already nature spirits residing in the land 2817 02:39:01,240 --> 02:39:03,075 and the trees that we may not know about. 2818 02:39:06,162 --> 02:39:09,373 - Desert wind, soo-oop-wa, (ominous music) 2819 02:39:09,665 --> 02:39:13,210 Was a man like us until by mischance 2820 02:39:15,463 --> 02:39:16,881 he grew wings 2821 02:39:19,258 --> 02:39:21,010 and flew like a bird. 2822 02:39:25,848 --> 02:39:28,768 (calm upbeat music) 2823 02:39:39,195 --> 02:39:39,862 (calm upbeat music) - You tend to see 2824 02:39:40,154 --> 02:39:41,822 direct adaptation of folk legends 2825 02:39:42,114 --> 02:39:44,283 and folktales more readily in cultures 2826 02:39:44,575 --> 02:39:47,620 other than Anglicised cultures, whose brand of folk horror 2827 02:39:47,912 --> 02:39:51,165 has much more to do with fears of the folk themselves. 2828 02:39:53,209 --> 02:39:55,419 - It seems to me that the greatest difference 2829 02:39:55,711 --> 02:39:59,924 is in the distinction between us and them. 2830 02:40:00,216 --> 02:40:02,635 I think in Western folk horror, 2831 02:40:02,927 --> 02:40:06,180 what you find most often is the situation 2832 02:40:06,472 --> 02:40:11,185 in which a regular person comes across a cult, 2833 02:40:11,477 --> 02:40:15,981 or a village, or some isolated place, or community 2834 02:40:16,273 --> 02:40:19,318 where those old beliefs are still prevalent. 2835 02:40:19,610 --> 02:40:23,864 And then there is this contrast and this struggle 2836 02:40:24,156 --> 02:40:26,992 between the value systems that they represent, 2837 02:40:27,284 --> 02:40:28,828 so there is a clash. 2838 02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:31,122 Whereas in Slavic horror, it seems to me 2839 02:40:31,413 --> 02:40:35,584 that this distinction between alleged normality 2840 02:40:35,876 --> 02:40:40,131 and alleged strangeness is not so strong. 2841 02:40:40,422 --> 02:40:45,219 They start from the position that in Western folk horror 2842 02:40:46,262 --> 02:40:50,307 someone has to arrive to, SO someone is already there. 2843 02:40:50,599 --> 02:40:52,518 Someone already lives in that village, 2844 02:40:52,810 --> 02:40:55,688 in this surrounding, someone is already immersed 2845 02:40:55,980 --> 02:40:57,731 in this value system. 2846 02:40:58,023 --> 02:41:00,359 And whatever happens in this plot 2847 02:41:00,651 --> 02:41:04,530 arises from within. - So in Scandinavia, 2848 02:41:04,822 --> 02:41:08,033 Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia, you're much more likely to see 2849 02:41:08,325 --> 02:41:11,453 stories derived from fairytales or films full of magic 2850 02:41:11,745 --> 02:41:12,913 and shape-shifting. 2851 02:41:13,205 --> 02:41:15,958 (calm music) - There's an amazing 2852 02:41:16,250 --> 02:41:19,461 Icelandic made for TV folk horror film called "Tilbury", 2853 02:41:19,753 --> 02:41:21,589 which is based on a folkloric monster. 2854 02:41:32,641 --> 02:41:35,269 (sheep bleating) 2855 02:41:48,657 --> 02:41:50,576 (tense music) - And it's interesting 2856 02:41:50,868 --> 02:41:55,080 coming from a colonial perspective how that story plays out 2857 02:41:55,372 --> 02:41:58,292 with an Icelandic man who's worried that his girlfriend 2858 02:41:58,584 --> 02:42:01,045 has fallen in love with a British man. 2859 02:42:01,337 --> 02:42:02,713 And imagines that he has turned 2860 02:42:03,005 --> 02:42:04,882 into this sort of monstrous tilbury figure. 2861 02:42:05,174 --> 02:42:07,801 (dramatic music) 2862 02:42:10,012 --> 02:42:12,765 (gentle suspenseful music) - Nietzchka Keene's 2863 02:42:13,057 --> 02:42:14,892 "The Juniper Tree" is another Icelandic film 2864 02:42:15,184 --> 02:42:17,144 based on a German folk tale, 2865 02:42:17,436 --> 02:42:20,231 that takes the familiar story of "The Wicked Stepmother” 2866 02:42:20,522 --> 02:42:21,815 and places it against a backdrop 2867 02:42:22,107 --> 02:42:24,777 of vaguely medieval witch hunts. 2868 02:42:25,945 --> 02:42:29,073 - It's much more a fairy tale film 2869 02:42:29,365 --> 02:42:33,202 than I think a folk horror film. 2870 02:42:33,494 --> 02:42:38,290 It becomes folk horror when Keene plays 2871 02:42:38,707 --> 02:42:43,629 closely to the original grim tale in its grim qualities, 2872 02:42:43,921 --> 02:42:46,632 the murder of the son, the cannibalism, 2873 02:42:46,924 --> 02:42:49,677 and then the transformations into the bird. 2874 02:42:49,969 --> 02:42:52,846 (Margit harmonizing) 2875 02:42:57,309 --> 02:42:58,727 (crow cackling) - Once there was a boy 2876 02:42:59,019 --> 02:43:00,271 whose mother was a bird, 2877 02:43:01,355 --> 02:43:03,357 she loved him very much, 2878 02:43:03,649 --> 02:43:06,026 but she could not stay among people. 2879 02:43:06,318 --> 02:43:09,571 And one day she returned to the land of the birds. 2880 02:43:11,573 --> 02:43:14,118 The boy's father got used to her being gone, 2881 02:43:15,035 --> 02:43:17,621 but her little son wept so much 2882 02:43:17,913 --> 02:43:20,708 that finally she heard him from far away, 2883 02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:23,043 and flew to back to comfort him. 2884 02:43:24,169 --> 02:43:26,630 "I will take you with me," she said, 2885 02:43:26,922 --> 02:43:28,799 "and teach you what I know, 2886 02:43:29,091 --> 02:43:31,635 but you cannot stay among the birds 2887 02:43:31,927 --> 02:43:35,014 and must return to take care of your father." 2888 02:43:36,390 --> 02:43:39,810 And when the boy came back from the land of the birds, 2889 02:43:40,102 --> 02:43:42,396 his father did not know him. 2890 02:43:42,688 --> 02:43:45,858 His skin had changed and become feathers, 2891 02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:48,402 and his fingers had turned into wings. 2892 02:43:49,903 --> 02:43:52,614 And he knew what the birds know. 2893 02:43:52,906 --> 02:43:56,285 (gentle suspenseful music) 2894 02:43:59,330 --> 02:44:04,251 (leaves rustling) - Alexei Konstantinovich 2895 02:44:05,502 --> 02:44:08,589 Tolstoy wrote a series of vampire novels, 2896 02:44:08,881 --> 02:44:10,341 "The Family of the Vourdalak." 2897 02:44:11,550 --> 02:44:12,885 The Vourdalak was a name, 2898 02:44:13,177 --> 02:44:16,180 a word that had been coined by Pushkin in the 19th century. 2899 02:44:16,472 --> 02:44:18,682 (calm music) 2900 02:44:22,436 --> 02:44:25,564 (woman screaming) 2901 02:44:25,856 --> 02:44:28,275 - Vourdalak, that's the existing word. 2902 02:44:28,567 --> 02:44:33,113 And Vourdalak is essentially a synonym for vampire. 2903 02:44:33,405 --> 02:44:38,202 It is a man who after his death comes back as a revenant 2904 02:44:39,203 --> 02:44:43,290 and assaults his family, his friends, his villagers, 2905 02:44:43,582 --> 02:44:46,377 and among other things, he can turn into a wolf, 2906 02:44:46,668 --> 02:44:49,380 he can appear in human form, he can appear 2907 02:44:49,671 --> 02:44:52,132 as a huge blob. - I think ironically, 2908 02:44:52,424 --> 02:44:56,220 most Westerners know Vourdalaks from Italian movies, 2909 02:44:56,512 --> 02:44:57,805 from Mario Bava's "Black Sabbath" 2910 02:44:58,097 --> 02:45:00,349 and from "Night of the Devils." 2911 02:45:00,641 --> 02:45:04,561 - But vampires and the undead had already had a big part 2912 02:45:04,853 --> 02:45:09,650 to play in Russian Slavic pagan history and folk history. 2913 02:45:11,402 --> 02:45:14,071 (birds chirping) 2914 02:45:17,491 --> 02:45:19,910 (vase clanks) 2915 02:45:24,540 --> 02:45:25,499 (calm music) - "Leptirica's" based 2916 02:45:25,791 --> 02:45:28,877 on a story by Milovan Glisic from 1883, 2917 02:45:29,169 --> 02:45:31,130 which means 14 years before "Dracula”. 2918 02:45:31,422 --> 02:45:35,509 Although its plot, its story is based on a folk belief, 2919 02:45:35,801 --> 02:45:37,719 on a alleged real vampire 2920 02:45:38,011 --> 02:45:41,557 from the Western part of Serbia, Sava Savanovic. 2921 02:45:41,849 --> 02:45:45,352 When Dorde Kadijevic decided to adapt this story, 2922 02:45:45,644 --> 02:45:47,354 his worldview is much darker 2923 02:45:47,646 --> 02:45:51,316 and he actually added the bride transforms into a vampire 2924 02:45:51,608 --> 02:45:53,735 and rides the groom until his death. 2925 02:45:54,027 --> 02:45:58,198 (groom groaning) (bride grunting) 2926 02:45:58,490 --> 02:46:02,286 This notion of riding a man like a mare, 2927 02:46:02,578 --> 02:46:06,540 it is a very powerful image, which obviously was striking 2928 02:46:06,832 --> 02:46:09,376 for Kadijevic precisely because it merges 2929 02:46:09,668 --> 02:46:10,878 eroticism and death. 2930 02:46:12,754 --> 02:46:14,590 (tense music) - Shapeshifting 2931 02:46:14,882 --> 02:46:16,758 is a recurrent motif in these films, 2932 02:46:17,050 --> 02:46:19,178 which in addition to things like "Leptirica”, 2933 02:46:19,470 --> 02:46:21,054 we see in films like "She-Wolf" 2934 02:46:21,346 --> 02:46:24,433 which is probably the most famous Polish werewolf film. 2935 02:46:24,725 --> 02:46:26,351 And particularly in the case of a woman, 2936 02:46:26,643 --> 02:46:29,521 the shape-shifting often signifies like a liberating 2937 02:46:29,813 --> 02:46:34,276 kind of transformation. (gentle spirited music) 2938 02:46:35,444 --> 02:46:37,613 It's also something central to Asian folk tales 2939 02:46:37,905 --> 02:46:39,698 and folk horror films that we see in things 2940 02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:42,701 like "The Ghost Cat" movies of which there were over a dozen 2941 02:46:42,993 --> 02:46:44,536 of these films up to the '60s. 2942 02:46:45,871 --> 02:46:49,041 By the 14th century, it was a common belief in Japan 2943 02:46:49,333 --> 02:46:51,418 that cats, especially older female cats, 2944 02:46:51,710 --> 02:46:53,587 could turn into demons or goblins 2945 02:46:53,879 --> 02:46:58,133 and also shapeshift into humans in order to bewitch people. 2946 02:46:58,425 --> 02:47:00,135 And importantly, they would eat the people (laughs) 2947 02:47:00,427 --> 02:47:02,513 Whose shape they had adopted. 2948 02:47:02,804 --> 02:47:07,601 (calm music) (woman sobbing) 2949 02:47:22,032 --> 02:47:24,701 (dramatic music) 2950 02:47:36,588 --> 02:47:39,591 (cat slurping) - And a lot of these spirits, 2951 02:47:39,883 --> 02:47:41,635 their revenge, certainly in the films, 2952 02:47:41,927 --> 02:47:44,805 is a form of vampirism, they're sucking blood and so on. 2953 02:47:45,097 --> 02:47:48,475 (gentle suspenseful music) 2954 02:48:00,862 --> 02:48:05,450 - A kind of ethnographic vision, if I can use that term, 2955 02:48:07,119 --> 02:48:12,040 is also there in the 1953 Finnish film, "The White Reindeer" 2956 02:48:12,958 --> 02:48:17,504 and while we have this story of a young woman 2957 02:48:17,796 --> 02:48:22,593 who is transformed into a kind of vampiric white reindeer, 2958 02:48:23,302 --> 02:48:28,223 what the film really focuses on are the folk traditions, 2959 02:48:28,849 --> 02:48:33,562 the folk beliefs, the folk culture of the Sami 2960 02:48:33,854 --> 02:48:36,648 in Northern Lapland, in Finland. 2961 02:48:36,940 --> 02:48:39,234 The story and the belief about the young woman 2962 02:48:39,526 --> 02:48:44,239 who can exist as both a human and as an animal, 2963 02:48:44,531 --> 02:48:47,743 the kind of shapeshifter figure is still very much part 2964 02:48:48,035 --> 02:48:49,995 of the Sami folk belief. 2965 02:48:50,287 --> 02:48:52,831 (dramatic music) 2966 02:48:58,003 --> 02:48:59,004 (ominous music) - And this idea 2967 02:48:59,296 --> 02:49:02,382 of a man hunting or is somehow pitted against a creature 2968 02:49:02,674 --> 02:49:05,510 only to realize it's actually his own wife, 2969 02:49:05,802 --> 02:49:07,220 it's kind of a common story type. 2970 02:49:07,512 --> 02:49:11,183 Most famously something like the “Lady of the Snow” segment 2971 02:49:11,475 --> 02:49:16,271 of "Kwaidan." (mysterious music) 2972 02:49:22,903 --> 02:49:24,029 (gentle suspenseful music) - So the themes 2973 02:49:24,321 --> 02:49:26,073 of Asian horror are probably the same themes 2974 02:49:26,365 --> 02:49:28,575 as you're getting most in horror, revenge, 2975 02:49:29,493 --> 02:49:31,119 things to do with childbirth, for example. 2976 02:49:31,411 --> 02:49:35,540 A lot of, in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and so on, 2977 02:49:35,832 --> 02:49:37,876 a lot of the ghosts, the female ghosts, 2978 02:49:38,168 --> 02:49:40,045 are women who died in childbirth. 2979 02:49:40,337 --> 02:49:41,672 And in some cases, women who gave birth 2980 02:49:41,963 --> 02:49:43,006 after they'd been buried. 2981 02:49:51,056 --> 02:49:53,850 (people screaming) 2982 02:50:07,447 --> 02:50:10,033 (woman sobbing) 2983 02:50:28,510 --> 02:50:33,390 (suspenseful music) - One of the very big hits 2984 02:50:33,682 --> 02:50:36,601 for Thai cinema was a film released in 1999, 2985 02:50:36,893 --> 02:50:38,019 which is called "Nang Nak", 2986 02:50:38,979 --> 02:50:41,398 and the story's about a young couple who get married 2987 02:50:41,690 --> 02:50:44,151 and the guy is called away to fight in the war. 2988 02:50:45,485 --> 02:50:48,697 When he comes back, everything has sort of slightly changed. 2989 02:50:48,989 --> 02:50:52,284 His wife is there and he's got a young child, 2990 02:50:52,576 --> 02:50:55,328 but she never lets him have very much to do with the child. 2991 02:50:56,329 --> 02:50:57,998 And also he finds that all his friends, 2992 02:50:58,290 --> 02:51:00,250 the ones that survive, don't really wanna have too much 2993 02:51:00,542 --> 02:51:01,209 to do with them. 2994 02:51:01,501 --> 02:51:03,670 And eventually one of them tells him, 2995 02:51:03,962 --> 02:51:05,380 you're living with a ghost. 2996 02:51:05,672 --> 02:51:06,673 And he says, "What you talking about?" 2997 02:51:06,965 --> 02:51:09,301 He says, "Your wife died in childbirth, 2998 02:51:09,593 --> 02:51:11,303 you know, she's been dead for a year." 2999 02:51:13,221 --> 02:51:16,349 The ghosts and the spirits that you get in Asian films, 3000 02:51:16,641 --> 02:51:17,684 they're hungry for blood, 3001 02:51:17,976 --> 02:51:19,770 but particularly they're hungry for revenge. 3002 02:51:20,061 --> 02:51:22,939 So a lot of these scary spirits and, you know, 3003 02:51:23,231 --> 02:51:24,399 monsters I suppose we would call them, 3004 02:51:24,691 --> 02:51:27,652 that you see an Asian films are women that have been wronged 3005 02:51:27,944 --> 02:51:29,696 that are looking to right that wrong. 3006 02:51:29,988 --> 02:51:31,865 And in a sense, they're gonna continue 3007 02:51:32,157 --> 02:51:33,700 looking to right that wrong more or less forever, 3008 02:51:33,992 --> 02:51:36,119 they never actually seem to find that closure. 3009 02:51:37,162 --> 02:51:42,042 (gentle suspenseful music) - So like all folk tales, 3010 02:51:42,334 --> 02:51:45,003 these stories tend to evolve and mutate to reflect 3011 02:51:45,295 --> 02:51:48,089 the beliefs and fears and anxieties of the place 3012 02:51:48,381 --> 02:51:49,257 and time they're in. 3013 02:51:49,549 --> 02:51:52,594 And all folk horror, whether it's about a pagan village 3014 02:51:52,886 --> 02:51:56,097 being confronted with the changes brought by modernization, 3015 02:51:56,389 --> 02:51:58,391 or the physical transformation of a person 3016 02:51:58,683 --> 02:52:00,769 into a she-wolf or a white reindeer, 3017 02:52:01,061 --> 02:52:04,648 this idea of change and how scary change can be 3018 02:52:04,940 --> 02:52:07,400 is central to a lot of the stories. 3019 02:52:07,692 --> 02:52:10,821 And so a lot of time, these traditions that we hang on to 3020 02:52:11,112 --> 02:52:14,366 by observing these folk tales are ironically stories 3021 02:52:14,658 --> 02:52:16,368 that help us adapt to change. 3022 02:52:16,660 --> 02:52:20,205 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3023 02:52:37,472 --> 02:52:41,142 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3024 02:52:46,064 --> 02:52:49,025 - I love our stories, I love how unique they are, 3025 02:52:49,317 --> 02:52:51,069 and I think people need to see our interesting 3026 02:52:51,361 --> 02:52:53,905 and different stories, and hear our voices, 3027 02:52:54,197 --> 02:52:56,283 and also see how similar they are. 3028 02:52:56,575 --> 02:52:57,868 But I think that the future for folk horror 3029 02:52:58,159 --> 02:53:00,287 is not about any one country. 3030 02:53:00,579 --> 02:53:03,206 I think the future for folk horror is about seeing 3031 02:53:03,498 --> 02:53:06,293 how diverse it can be and seeing how it's more 3032 02:53:06,585 --> 02:53:09,963 than just this set of British films that people 3033 02:53:10,255 --> 02:53:12,173 think is folk horror, that there's so much more 3034 02:53:12,465 --> 02:53:14,009 to folk horror than just that. 3035 02:53:14,301 --> 02:53:16,845 (dramatic music) 3036 02:53:18,471 --> 02:53:21,975 (gentle suspenseful music) 3037 02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:31,109 (crickets chirping) - Where the wave 3038 02:53:31,401 --> 02:53:34,738 of moonlight glosses, the dim gray sands with light. 3039 02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:37,991 Far off by furthest Rosses, we foot it all the night. 3040 02:53:39,659 --> 02:53:44,205 Weaving olden dances, mingling hands and mingling glances, 3041 02:53:44,497 --> 02:53:45,832 till the moon has taken flight. 3042 02:53:48,376 --> 02:53:51,463 To and fro we leap, and chase the frothy bubbles, 3043 02:53:52,589 --> 02:53:53,882 while the world is full of troubles 3044 02:53:54,174 --> 02:53:55,634 and anxious in its sleep. 3045 02:53:55,926 --> 02:53:57,052 (fire blazes) 3046 02:53:57,344 --> 02:54:01,306 Come away, oh, human child, to the waters and the wild, 3047 02:54:01,598 --> 02:54:03,183 with a faery, hand in hand. 3048 02:54:04,976 --> 02:54:06,978 For the world's more full of weeping 3049 02:54:07,270 --> 02:54:09,022 than you can understand. 3050 02:54:10,357 --> 02:54:13,985 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3051 02:54:23,286 --> 02:54:26,289 (car engine revving) 3052 02:54:31,336 --> 02:54:34,714 (instruments clattering) - In March, 2011, 3053 02:54:35,006 --> 02:54:36,925 a film called "Wake Wood" came out. 3054 02:54:37,217 --> 02:54:38,593 And I think it was "The News of the World" 3055 02:54:38,885 --> 02:54:42,597 that referred to it as a great example of folk horror. 3056 02:54:42,889 --> 02:54:47,018 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3057 02:54:47,310 --> 02:54:48,144 And I remember noticing that and thinking, 3058 02:54:48,436 --> 02:54:50,897 oh, there's that phrase, that's interesting. 3059 02:54:51,189 --> 02:54:55,026 And then I wasn't quite prepared for the degree 3060 02:54:55,318 --> 02:54:58,822 to which that phrase suddenly became very prevalent indeed. 3061 02:54:59,114 --> 02:55:02,659 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3062 02:55:24,889 --> 02:55:26,641 - One of the big mistakes I think I made 3063 02:55:26,933 --> 02:55:28,393 and is still continually being made about it, 3064 02:55:28,685 --> 02:55:31,146 is that it is and functions like a genre. 3065 02:55:32,105 --> 02:55:36,192 So I think the best way to see it is as a mode, 3066 02:55:36,484 --> 02:55:37,610 in the sort of musical sense, 3067 02:55:37,902 --> 02:55:40,947 where there is a set of key notes, 3068 02:55:41,239 --> 02:55:42,907 but they're providing a different context 3069 02:55:43,199 --> 02:55:44,409 'cause they're played in a different border. 3070 02:55:44,701 --> 02:55:47,620 And so folk horror works like this along with other modes, 3071 02:55:47,912 --> 02:55:49,247 things like psychogeography, 3072 02:55:51,708 --> 02:55:55,670 ontology, urban weird, English eerie, 3073 02:55:55,962 --> 02:55:56,838 all these sort of different modes 3074 02:55:57,130 --> 02:55:58,048 that are sort of interlinked, 3075 02:55:58,339 --> 02:56:00,800 but they don't quite function as one cohesive genre, 3076 02:56:01,092 --> 02:56:04,054 they're all more interrelated in more complex ways. 3077 02:56:05,096 --> 02:56:07,640 (ominous music) 3078 02:56:13,772 --> 02:56:14,689 (gentle suspenseful music) - When we go through 3079 02:56:14,981 --> 02:56:18,109 a celebratory phrase, as we did in the 1990s, 3080 02:56:22,781 --> 02:56:25,408 as we did in the 1960s, there's that sense 3081 02:56:25,700 --> 02:56:27,243 that history has resolved. 3082 02:56:28,286 --> 02:56:30,830 In the 1990s, Francis Fukuyama wrote this book 3083 02:56:31,122 --> 02:56:33,416 "The End of History", talking about how liberal democracy 3084 02:56:33,708 --> 02:56:37,504 was the ultimate, ultimate result of Western civilization. 3085 02:56:37,796 --> 02:56:40,256 (ominous music) 3086 02:56:42,467 --> 02:56:46,137 And then September the 11th, 2001, happened, 3087 02:56:46,429 --> 02:56:47,597 and we discovered that liberal democracy 3088 02:56:47,889 --> 02:56:50,767 was not the ultimate result of Western civilization. 3089 02:56:51,059 --> 02:56:53,144 And we entered a period of doubt. 3090 02:57:02,278 --> 02:57:04,948 And this brings us to hauntology. 3091 02:57:10,912 --> 02:57:11,579 (ominous music) - Jacques Derrida 3092 02:57:11,871 --> 02:57:15,625 described hauntology as an unresolved past that comes back. 3093 02:57:19,462 --> 02:57:23,091 The ghost is the idea of an unresolved past. 3094 02:57:23,383 --> 02:57:25,844 (ominous music) - Heading towards mic three. 3095 02:57:26,136 --> 02:57:29,055 (device squeaking) 3096 02:57:29,347 --> 02:57:32,725 (suspenseful music) - Hauntology and folk horror 3097 02:57:33,017 --> 02:57:36,396 are both forms of kind of cultural nostalgia 3098 02:57:36,688 --> 02:57:38,273 for a mode of storytelling 3099 02:57:38,565 --> 02:57:40,400 that kind of doesn't really exist anymore, 3100 02:57:40,692 --> 02:57:42,110 and perhaps never existed at all. 3101 02:57:42,402 --> 02:57:46,322 Perhaps both of those things are ideas that we, 3102 02:57:46,614 --> 02:57:50,326 30, 40 years later are projecting onto the past. 3103 02:57:50,618 --> 02:57:53,997 (gentle suspenseful music) 3104 02:58:10,847 --> 02:58:13,516 (metal clanking) 3105 02:58:21,649 --> 02:58:23,902 - One of the reasons that folk horror has so much resonance 3106 02:58:24,194 --> 02:58:28,698 to me is that theater itself is ritual. 3107 02:58:29,699 --> 02:58:32,202 (Jane panting) 3108 02:58:34,621 --> 02:58:38,625 So theater is a very ancient form of storytelling 3109 02:58:38,917 --> 02:58:42,545 that probably evolved from rituals themselves. 3110 02:58:42,837 --> 02:58:46,925 So it evolved from the religious or spiritual rituals 3111 02:58:47,217 --> 02:58:49,427 that were important to early cultures. 3112 02:58:49,719 --> 02:58:51,471 In the horror genre, that sense of ritual 3113 02:58:51,763 --> 02:58:53,223 is still very much alive. 3114 02:58:54,140 --> 02:58:56,726 (ominous music) 3115 02:59:09,405 --> 02:59:14,327 (dramatic music) - He knows you would, 3116 02:59:14,786 --> 02:59:17,580 to what you gaze and gore on with an expression 3117 02:59:17,872 --> 02:59:20,416 on your face. - If you look at 3118 02:59:20,708 --> 02:59:23,962 all around the world urban centers 3119 02:59:24,254 --> 02:59:29,050 are basically the producers and recreators of sort of ideas 3120 02:59:31,052 --> 02:59:34,389 and ideologies in terms of this is where the financial 3121 02:59:34,681 --> 02:59:36,724 centers are, this is where the media bases are. 3122 02:59:37,016 --> 02:59:40,561 The cultural industries, academic industries, 3123 02:59:40,853 --> 02:59:44,482 basically the whole global culture is an urban culture. 3124 02:59:44,774 --> 02:59:47,735 So really what goes on in the countryside 3125 02:59:48,027 --> 02:59:51,239 is sort of automatically shrouded in darkness. 3126 02:59:51,531 --> 02:59:54,325 It's, you know, it's hidden from view. 3127 02:59:54,617 --> 02:59:57,578 (tense ominous music) 3128 03:00:03,876 --> 03:00:06,462 (feet thudding) 3129 03:00:07,797 --> 03:00:10,466 (dramatic music) 3130 03:00:15,763 --> 03:00:19,017 So I think maybe that's why there's a resurgence 3131 03:00:19,309 --> 03:00:20,810 in folk horror at the moment. 3132 03:00:21,102 --> 03:00:23,104 We're so busy living in the moment 3133 03:00:23,396 --> 03:00:26,399 that we've forgotten really our connection 3134 03:00:26,691 --> 03:00:28,776 with our own landscapes 3135 03:00:29,068 --> 03:00:31,529 and where we fit into our wider environment. 3136 03:00:31,821 --> 03:00:34,324 (dramatic music) 3137 03:00:43,833 --> 03:00:45,960 (bottles rattling) (knocking on shelf) 3138 03:00:46,252 --> 03:00:47,712 (dramatic music) (glass shattering) 3139 03:00:48,004 --> 03:00:50,381 (Luke gasping) 3140 03:00:53,968 --> 03:00:56,637 (trees rustling) 3141 03:01:08,816 --> 03:01:12,362 (crows screeching) 3142 03:01:12,653 --> 03:01:13,905 (feet stomping) - I made this short film 3143 03:01:14,197 --> 03:01:17,867 "Solitudo", and it was set in the medieval period. 3144 03:01:22,747 --> 03:01:25,041 And I think one of the reasons that I became interested 3145 03:01:25,333 --> 03:01:28,711 in that particular era was the idea that if, you know, 3146 03:01:29,003 --> 03:01:30,671 you lived in the 12th century, 3147 03:01:30,963 --> 03:01:33,383 how would you know what was reality? 3148 03:01:33,674 --> 03:01:36,886 You can't check your phone, you're not getting rolling news. 3149 03:01:37,178 --> 03:01:37,720 What's your guidance, 3150 03:01:38,012 --> 03:01:39,639 what's your signpost for what's reality? 3151 03:01:39,931 --> 03:01:41,557 It would take ages for a message to come to you, 3152 03:01:41,849 --> 03:01:43,476 even if something massive politically was happening, 3153 03:01:43,768 --> 03:01:45,269 there was a war or something, 3154 03:01:45,561 --> 03:01:48,106 you wouldn't get that news for a long time. 3155 03:01:48,398 --> 03:01:49,482 And so I think that was why, you know, 3156 03:01:49,774 --> 03:01:51,734 obviously superstition prevailed, 3157 03:01:52,026 --> 03:01:54,195 but I wonder if there is a parallel to our current time 3158 03:01:54,487 --> 03:01:57,698 where we've got such a proliferation of information 3159 03:01:57,990 --> 03:01:59,492 because of the internet that we don't know 3160 03:01:59,784 --> 03:02:04,580 what's reality anymore. (dramatic suspenseful music) 3161 03:02:10,461 --> 03:02:11,629 So I think definitely something like "The Witch" 3162 03:02:11,921 --> 03:02:14,048 where it's people in isolation, you know, 3163 03:02:14,340 --> 03:02:18,177 it almost could be like "The Village" by M. Night Shyamalan, 3164 03:02:20,096 --> 03:02:21,013 you're almost expecting like, 3165 03:02:21,305 --> 03:02:22,598 well, maybe that they don't live in the past, 3166 03:02:22,890 --> 03:02:24,225 maybe they live in the present. 3167 03:02:24,517 --> 03:02:26,227 Maybe that's what we're all going towards anyway 3168 03:02:26,519 --> 03:02:28,104 because there's gonna be some sort of nuclear 3169 03:02:28,396 --> 03:02:32,358 (laughs) apocalypse. (dramatic music) 3170 03:02:32,650 --> 03:02:37,071 And we'll all be in, you know, leather jerkins, 3171 03:02:37,363 --> 03:02:39,740 digging up the ground trying to plant stuff. 3172 03:02:40,032 --> 03:02:43,578 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3173 03:03:15,651 --> 03:03:18,905 (crickets chirping) - He also has a nightmare 3174 03:03:19,197 --> 03:03:20,156 about Mary, doesn't he? 3175 03:03:20,448 --> 03:03:23,743 He sleeps on some clover, he says it's six feet high, 3176 03:03:24,035 --> 03:03:25,786 six feet high. - But I think also, 3177 03:03:26,078 --> 03:03:29,123 and very importantly, and the thing that kind of ties 3178 03:03:29,415 --> 03:03:32,502 the present to the world that the sort of key 3179 03:03:32,793 --> 03:03:34,879 folk horror films emerge from is we are living 3180 03:03:35,171 --> 03:03:39,300 in dark times. - He's lying on the ground 3181 03:03:39,592 --> 03:03:43,304 under a tunnel, foot tunnel. - It definitely feels like 3182 03:03:43,596 --> 03:03:45,348 anything can happen right now, 3183 03:03:45,640 --> 03:03:50,394 but not in that hopeful anything could happen, 3184 03:03:51,103 --> 03:03:52,563 it's like absolutely anything - Anything (laughs) 3185 03:03:52,855 --> 03:03:53,898 - Can happen right now. - can happen. 3186 03:03:54,190 --> 03:03:56,984 (suspenseful music) 3187 03:03:58,611 --> 03:04:01,405 - Far from this bastardly. - All of the atrocities 3188 03:04:01,697 --> 03:04:04,492 that are happening right now in our culture are people, 3189 03:04:04,784 --> 03:04:05,660 you know, there is nothing supernatural, 3190 03:04:05,952 --> 03:04:07,703 it's all people doing all this stuff. 3191 03:04:12,124 --> 03:04:15,795 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3192 03:04:18,798 --> 03:04:20,091 And so I think that folk horror 3193 03:04:20,383 --> 03:04:23,427 feels like it's something else, like the old gods, 3194 03:04:23,719 --> 03:04:26,430 or the land, or the bad harvest, or the ground is bad. 3195 03:04:29,225 --> 03:04:30,601 When Jud says, "To the soil the man's heart 3196 03:04:30,893 --> 03:04:32,937 is stonier, Louis," he's basically saying 3197 03:04:33,229 --> 03:04:35,231 that at the end of the day, you bring your horror 3198 03:04:35,523 --> 03:04:39,986 in with you. (dramatic suspenseful music) 3199 03:04:58,713 --> 03:05:02,091 - There's a direct echo of the world 3200 03:05:02,383 --> 03:05:04,885 from the time that the folk horror films 3201 03:05:05,177 --> 03:05:06,637 that we're talking about were made 3202 03:05:06,929 --> 03:05:10,349 and the world we live in now in that there's a real sense 3203 03:05:10,641 --> 03:05:12,893 of pessimism about the future. 3204 03:05:13,185 --> 03:05:15,396 And that was very much present in the '70s 3205 03:05:15,688 --> 03:05:18,316 when, certainly in Britain, you had quite a serious 3206 03:05:18,608 --> 03:05:21,986 sort of state of social and cultural breakdown. 3207 03:05:22,278 --> 03:05:24,113 You know, there were famously rubbish piled up 3208 03:05:24,405 --> 03:05:26,782 in the streets, power cuts, strikes. 3209 03:05:27,074 --> 03:05:28,367 (dramatic music) 3210 03:05:28,659 --> 03:05:31,829 There was a great sense of environmental destruction 3211 03:05:32,121 --> 03:05:35,374 and the sense that the way that we had built our culture 3212 03:05:35,666 --> 03:05:37,376 around us was actually destroying 3213 03:05:37,668 --> 03:05:38,794 the world that we lived on. 3214 03:05:39,962 --> 03:05:42,465 (dramatic suspenseful music) - I talked about how 3215 03:05:42,757 --> 03:05:46,761 in the '70s you had an ill-fated conservative election plan, 3216 03:05:47,053 --> 03:05:49,180 a president going a bit wrong, 3217 03:05:49,472 --> 03:05:51,307 and a divisive referendum on Europe. 3218 03:05:51,599 --> 03:05:53,184 And if those things don't sound familiar, 3219 03:05:53,476 --> 03:05:55,770 where have you been the last few years? 3220 03:06:00,524 --> 03:06:03,903 Suddenly, we get to a period where there's terrorism, 3221 03:06:04,195 --> 03:06:08,991 there's Nazis on the streets, there's stuff happening 3222 03:06:10,076 --> 03:06:13,454 which does not feel like everything is okay. 3223 03:06:14,705 --> 03:06:16,248 And history's biting us. 3224 03:06:17,708 --> 03:06:21,796 And we have this unresolved past, this hauntology 3225 03:06:22,088 --> 03:06:26,133 that is bringing back ghosts. 3226 03:06:26,425 --> 03:06:31,055 And we're expressing this, partly in the way the occult 3227 03:06:31,347 --> 03:06:34,767 and the unusual is extending itself into everyday life. 3228 03:06:35,059 --> 03:06:38,604 (dramatic suspenseful music) 3229 03:06:56,205 --> 03:06:59,291 - I think there's just a huge need in our society 3230 03:06:59,583 --> 03:07:02,253 to hold onto something that is more 3231 03:07:02,545 --> 03:07:05,172 than what we see in our ordinary life. 3232 03:07:12,972 --> 03:07:16,809 - I think people feel lonely. (tense music) 3233 03:07:20,688 --> 03:07:22,148 And I think people feel isolated. 3234 03:07:22,440 --> 03:07:23,441 I think people feel out of touch 3235 03:07:23,733 --> 03:07:27,486 because in our new modern world, we're so connected 3236 03:07:27,778 --> 03:07:32,116 and yet we're super anonymous and we've just lost touch 3237 03:07:32,408 --> 03:07:37,163 with the community and the traditions that we once had. 3238 03:07:38,748 --> 03:07:40,458 - In the 21st century, the renewed interest 3239 03:07:40,750 --> 03:07:42,835 in folk horror now is to do with another major change, 3240 03:07:43,127 --> 03:07:44,503 it's a change of technology, right? 3241 03:07:44,795 --> 03:07:45,963 People living in an analog era, 3242 03:07:46,255 --> 03:07:47,715 we live in a very digital era. 3243 03:07:48,007 --> 03:07:49,675 People living in their own little worlds, 3244 03:07:49,967 --> 03:07:52,178 their own little bubbles of contained communities 3245 03:07:52,470 --> 03:07:53,929 like pseudo communities. - Mm. 3246 03:07:54,221 --> 03:07:56,307 - And often in these kinds of situations, 3247 03:07:56,599 --> 03:07:58,559 people yearn for the old again. 3248 03:07:58,851 --> 03:08:01,061 (calm music) 3249 03:08:04,523 --> 03:08:05,733 They wanna believe in something. 3250 03:08:06,025 --> 03:08:07,193 It may not be religion anymore, 3251 03:08:07,485 --> 03:08:09,570 but they wanna believe in some kinda power. 3252 03:08:09,862 --> 03:08:11,697 - You're sounding like Lord Samurai. 3253 03:08:15,618 --> 03:08:18,746 - I think there is this urge to find something that, 3254 03:08:19,038 --> 03:08:21,832 because it can't be dissected and analyzed, 3255 03:08:22,124 --> 03:08:25,044 tend to non-existence that will have retained 3256 03:08:25,336 --> 03:08:27,254 some kind of core of power. 3257 03:08:27,546 --> 03:08:30,216 And perhaps you can call that spirit or soul, 3258 03:08:30,508 --> 03:08:33,469 I don't know, but I think maybe that's what people 3259 03:08:33,761 --> 03:08:35,805 are drawn to, the fact that these films 3260 03:08:36,096 --> 03:08:38,891 do seem to have a kind of a soul. 251140

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