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And good morning, Tampa Bay.
We'll get to our top story in a moment.
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John Phillips
and the three daughters of Don Lewis
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are setto speak here later today.
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Phillips plans to hold
his news conference.
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He hopes to get answers
by seeking sworn statements and subpoenas.
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Big lawyers want big cases, otherwise
they're not big lawyers, you know?
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Carole Baskin calls this event
a publicity stunt and says the tips
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should be going to the
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.
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Resolving this case
is in everyone's best interest.
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It's in Carole Baskin's best interest.
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I invite her to the table.
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I invite her to talk
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and let us know what really happened.
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More than invite her,
we're going to serve her with a lawsuit.
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I will ask one time
that we come together to find closure.
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If that can't be done, I'm a lawyer.
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I sue people.
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John Phillips,
the attorney, called me and says,
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"I've got a high-profile person for you."
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I pick up the summons,
and it says Carole Baskin,
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and I said, "Get the beep out of here."
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So I drive out,
drive to the compound gate,
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I see Carole coming around
on the golf cart,
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and I said, "Hey, Carole,
you probably know what this is."
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She said, "Yeah, I know what this is."
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She looks at it,
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and I said, "Carole,
do you mind if I take a selfie with you?"
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She knows, I handed her the lawsuit,
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and you take a selfie with me?
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I think she feels like she's untouchable.
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I always win,
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no matter who my opponents are.
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They think they are taking on a person,
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when really they are taking on the tiger.
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You have two old messages.
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Hello, my name
is Sandra Wittkopp.
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Somebody forged my name
on a bunch of papers.
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Don's will, for one thing.
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I just wanted to let you know.
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Sandra was the one that notarized the will
and the power of attorney
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that Carole produced.
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You have Sandra as the notary,
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but this signature here,
she says it's been forged.
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There's no way to get around this.
I mean, this is fraud.
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There's a power of attorney will
that surfaced after Don disappeared.
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The person who stood to benefit
from the will was Carole.
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"He had me change the will a few times
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because he seemed to just delight
in making sure
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that none of 'his greedy kids, '
as he said, were in it."
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So we've got the will
and we've got the power of attorney.
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They're signed on the exact same day
by the exact same notary,
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but there's a problem.
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Every single signature are identical.
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If you talk to handwriting experts,
that's impossible.
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And try it yourself. Take a piece of paper
and just sign your name twice
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and you're not going to realize
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what variance there is
in just normal signatures.
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Don's was done
by simply tracing Don Lewis's signature
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from his marriage license.
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And so we've got mounting evidence
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that appears to show this will was forged.
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I had brought in three firms.
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They used all their tools,
all their technology on it,
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and they said the documents were legit.
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Now all the stuff
that has been said since then
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are people that are looking
at copies on the internet
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and they're sitting at home
in their armchair going,
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"Nope, that's not right.
That's a copy. That's a tracing."
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That's just ridiculous.
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Hey, everybody.
I'm gonna put this one document up here.
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Now the notary,
Sandra Wittkopp, stamps this,
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but let's say this is being created
after Don went missing.
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The fraud could be connected
to why Don may have disappeared.
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Hello?
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Are you Ripper?
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I am Ripper, and I'm also Jack.
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Okay. I watch you
on Facebook all the time.
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I was the housekeeper.
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I did their laundry,
I cooked their supper,
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and helped take care of the lemurs.
I was the lemur lady.
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We're trying to get to the truth.
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Can I ask you just a few questions
about your voicemail?
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Sure.
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After Don went missing,
do you remember how Carole acted?
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It was a Monday.
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I was just shocked
when Carole came up to me and said,
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"Don's missing.
We don't know what happened to him,
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so if you see police walking around,
that's what it's all about."
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That's enough.
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Are you there?
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My husband
wants me to cut it off.
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I'm just tired of hashing it
over and over and over again.
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We're not going to solve it
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and we're not going to help
anybody solve it.
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And we just don't need the...
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The publicity.
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Not to be rude,
but that's the way it is.
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When you have somebody
who doesn't want to talk to you,
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it leads you to think there's something
to be afraid of with Carole Baskin.
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She's been able to intimidate people
that might have information,
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but with some of the leads that we have,
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can we find a way,
23 years later, to figure out
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where there's inconsistencies
in Carole's story?
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So much of this
has been pieced together over the years
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that there are details...
I got them out of order.
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And people would love to say
I'm lying because I got them out of order.
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It's like, you try and remember
20 some odd years ago.
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The way you would build a case
against Carole is through a timeline.
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There are questions with regard
to her version of events.
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My husband
left early in the morning.
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When he didn't
come home the rest of the night,
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then we turned him in as a missing person,
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and we haven't seen or heard
anything since then.
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She's told this story for years,
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but we've got varying versions
of what happened.
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So what's the truth?
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"June 15th, 1997."
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"Out of the blue,
Don is loving, and attentive,
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and really keeps me on edge,
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never knowing who he's going to be
from minute to minute."
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As we get closer
to the time Don disappears,
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Carole's words seem to contradict
what we know about their marriage.
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"When he is loving, he makes me feel
as if I am the only woman in the world."
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"It was his superpower."
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But right before that,
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Don had filed
a restraining order against Carole.
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He said that
she had threatened to kill him.
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Everybody I've talked to
said Don was talking about divorce.
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If that's the case, there would have been
a fight over the cats.
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The only time that she and I ever talked
about anything personal
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was when she took me to this convention.
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"August 6th, 1997."
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"Don returned from Costa Rica
and agreed to take care of everything
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so that Judy Watson and I
could drive to Jacksonville
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for the Long Island
Ocelot Club Convention."
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On the way there,
we got to talk a little bit about Don.
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Carole said in our conversation
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that people had asked her
why she didn't just divorce him.
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People were saying
that he was always running around on her.
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Yeah. She gets jealous.
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And she said,
"I won't divorce Don,"
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because she didn't want
half of everything. She wanted it all.
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It was shortly, shortly after that,
that he disappeared.
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There's a big question
on when Don Lewis went missing.
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Some say the 15th.
Carole points more to the 17th or 18th.
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So what happened between Friday...
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and Tuesday...
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when Don was actually declared missing?
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I mean, that's just critical.
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And we've got varying versions
of what happened.
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The last time
I saw Don was August the 15th,
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whenever he left my office.
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And he told me that him and Carole had
had a big fuss the night before,
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and that he had slept in the trailer.
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Anne said that Don told her
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that he and Carole had
had this huge fight.
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What's interesting to me about that
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is her journal makes zero mention
of that argument.
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In the journal, she talks about
what happened every day
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from Thursday through Tuesday.
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The day she omits?
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Friday.
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Sometimes you can tell as much
from an omission
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as you can from what's stated out loud.
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"I haven't written much in a while
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because things have been going smoothly
for a change."
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"Last Thursday, he started complaining
more than usual about his diarrhea."
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"Saturday he felt good enough
to go yard sale-ing
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and brought home assorted junk
for his impending export to Costa Rica."
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The last time I saw Don
was Sunday, the day before he disappeared.
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Sundays, we told everybody we were closed
to give the owners a day off.
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So it was typically a quiet day.
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Don approached me.
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He was really busy.
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He had so much to do
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to get the shipment ready
to go on Monday to go to Costa Rica.
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He was really happy when he was
getting ready to go down there.
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But once I went home,
I don't know what happened after that.
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Carole's whole story
of Sunday night
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just doesn't seem to hold up at all.
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At about 3:00 a.m.,
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Carole was seen by deputies
walking down the street.
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She's hysterical about something.
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She was coming back from Albertsons.
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"Sunday night I needed ingredients
for the kitten formula and trash cans."
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"I thought Albertsons
was an all-night store."
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Tiger milk at three o'clock
in the morning? Not likely.
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Albertsons tiger milk? Come on.
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Carole has come back
and said, "No, no, no."
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She said it was
after the eleven o'clock feeding.
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"So after the 11:00 p.m. feeding,
I drove up there."
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"Albertsons was closed."
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That's a very big gap of time
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between eleven
and three o'clock in the morning.
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What's going on during that whole time?
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Do you believe that
Carole Baskin went to Albertsons
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the night of August 17th?
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You're asking questions
that go to a timeline,
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and a timeline is a very sensitive
part of the investigation.
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"The station wagon
I used overheated,
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and I could not get the radiator cap off."
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"I let the car sit for a long time,
and I tried to start it with no success."
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The station wagon,
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which has never been mentioned before
in her journals,
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this vehicle wasn't her regular car,
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comes on the scene breaking down.
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It just strikes me
as very odd and suspicious.
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We haven't seen an actual report
on the car itself.
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There was no police report that confirms
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that Carole broke down
on the side of the road.
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"My car had overheated,
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so I was fussing around
with it for a while
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before giving up
and starting the walk home."
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"That was six miles in the dark
along Sheldon Road
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and would have been a two-hour walk
in good circumstances."
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"So the 3:00 a.m.
was probably around the time
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I ran into Chuck and the other deputy."
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Carole broke down,
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and lo and behold, her brother is the one
who showed up first.
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Another one of those things
that's just crazy about this story
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is that her brother was on another call
for a burglary,
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and he happened to be on the same street.
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"My brother was on patrol
on Sheldon Road
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and was in the middle of an arrest."
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"I had to go a fair bit out of the way
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to approach my brother
and the other deputies."
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"If I was up to something nefarious,
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I would have just slinked past
in the darkness."
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She wasn't that far
from Wildlife on Easy Street
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at that moment in time,
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so it is possible that Carole
didn't go to Albertsons that night.
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But this is potentially the time
that something happened to Don.
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I think she's telling a tale,
trying to place herself
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somewhere that she was not.
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There was something going on
that Sunday night,
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whether it was
disposing of the body, something.
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What Carole has said before
is that when she gets upset,
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she will pace.
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I deal with stress,
I think, the same way cats do.
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I just pace and pace and pace...
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You can't forget
the deputy said she was hysterical.
242
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Why is she so upset?
243
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Why is she really walking at 3:00 a.m.?
244
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It could be connected to Don disappearing
or Don meeting foul play.
245
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And that wasn't
the only suspicious thing that night
246
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if you believe Kenny Farr's ex, Trish.
247
00:15:11,368 --> 00:15:16,123
My ex-husband Kenneth Farr
was Don's right-hand man.
248
00:15:17,374 --> 00:15:21,045
I do think that Kenny had some hand
in Don's disappearance.
249
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The day before Don disappeared,
Kenny had been gone all afternoon.
250
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He didn't go to work that day,
which was unusual to begin with.
251
00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,561
Kenny came home
about 11:00, 12:00. It was late.
252
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He had one of Don's vans.
253
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I opened the door and I was like,
"What the hell are you doing?"
254
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He had a load of guns in the back.
255
00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:52,034
He said, "Carole gave these to me."
256
00:15:52,117 --> 00:15:54,536
I said, "Why would Carole
have all these guns?"
257
00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:57,039
"I don't know.
She just wanted them out of the house."
258
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And I was kind of freaking out,
but I helped him carry them in.
259
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We put them under the bed.
We put them in the closet in our room.
260
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We put them in the bathroom.
261
00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:14,181
Kenny said, "Listen, Don's gone.
Nobody knows where he's at."
262
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"I don't want you talking about Don."
263
00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:24,233
If those guns arrived at Kenny's house
on Sunday evening,
264
00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:28,445
that pretty much destroys Carole's alibi.
265
00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:31,365
Don wouldn't have given them away.
266
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,576
And Carole wouldn't have
given them away either
267
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,538
given that how angry
Don would have been with her.
268
00:16:38,288 --> 00:16:41,250
Don had a thing about guns.
No doubt about it.
269
00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:46,213
Money, guns, airplanes, and sex
is what made Don Lewis.
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You come to no other conclusion than,
"Don was gone."
271
00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:56,265
And obviously,
the first thing comes to mind
272
00:16:56,348 --> 00:16:58,058
when you think of a bunch of guns,
273
00:16:58,142 --> 00:17:01,895
and you realize Don disappeared
and has never been seen again,
274
00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:06,233
maybe one of those guns
was used for that very purpose.
275
00:17:08,986 --> 00:17:10,904
"Kenny Farr's ex-wife, Trish,
276
00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:15,367
claims that Kenny had brought Don's van
full of guns to her marital home
277
00:17:15,451 --> 00:17:17,536
the day before Don disappeared."
278
00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,288
"She makes a lot of false claims,
279
00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,540
but Kenny did often drive our vehicles
280
00:17:21,623 --> 00:17:25,544
and could have been getting the guns ready
for the barge trip to Costa Rica."
281
00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:29,006
The thing is about the guns
282
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:32,926
is the explanations for the guns
283
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:38,307
have kind of been all over the map
by both Carole and Kenny.
284
00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:40,016
Slate.
285
00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:43,437
- Lower. Yeah, hit it.
- In? Big Cats.
286
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,647
The Kenny interview. Take one. Marker.
287
00:17:46,273 --> 00:17:47,273
Go.
288
00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:48,776
Great.
289
00:17:48,859 --> 00:17:53,489
Don Lewis really liked his guns. I mean,
he had many... like, many, many guns.
290
00:17:54,364 --> 00:17:58,786
But I traded the work of moving a house
291
00:17:59,661 --> 00:18:00,996
for his gun collection,
292
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,248
and it was like, "Wow, this..."
293
00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:05,810
Sorry, we gotta wait a minute.
294
00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:06,919
Just wait for the plane.
295
00:18:07,002 --> 00:18:09,379
Don traded you the guns?
296
00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,174
Not Carole?
297
00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:15,010
No, Carole.
298
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,845
- What?
- It was Carole.
299
00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:18,514
But was Don gone already?
300
00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:24,770
I don't remember.
301
00:18:24,853 --> 00:18:27,314
Because people say
Don would never part with his guns.
302
00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:32,152
- Who traded you the guns?
- Don traded me the guns.
303
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,491
Kenny came back late that night,
304
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,160
and he had Don's blue van.
305
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:46,041
Kenny shows up with the blue van
at home Sunday evening. It's full of guns.
306
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:50,629
That was also the one that I read
was recovered at the airport.
307
00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:54,174
Don's blue van was found
at Pilot Country Airport in Spring Hill.
308
00:18:54,758 --> 00:19:01,056
The van was found
at the Pilot Country Estates.
309
00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,602
Let's presume Don was met with foul play,
that he was murdered,
310
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,272
and someone has his van.
311
00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,108
"Okay, what are we gonna do
with Don's van?"
312
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:15,112
"We're gonna go put it at this airport,"
313
00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:18,866
trying to suggest Don flew to Costa Rica.
314
00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:22,870
Did Don Lewis really head down
this Pasco County runway
315
00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:25,581
for a new life someplace else,
316
00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,625
or did someone
just want it to look that way?
317
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,056
When Don first disappeared,
I think we all assumed he just ran off.
318
00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:47,769
I used to go into Carole's office
first thing when I got there
319
00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:51,440
to tell her that I was there
and "What did she want me to do?"
320
00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:55,819
I found her feeding a kitten,
and she just started crying hysterically.
321
00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:59,823
And that's when she told me,
"Don has either run off with somebody,
322
00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:01,658
or something bad has happened to him."
323
00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:03,702
So I said, "Do you need to get away?"
324
00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:07,206
And she said, "No. I need to stay here.
I just don't wanna be bothered."
325
00:20:07,289 --> 00:20:08,749
"I don't wanna talk to anybody."
326
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:11,710
"I don't wanna see anybody.
I don't wanna be bothered again."
327
00:20:11,793 --> 00:20:15,756
The missing persons that I've had,
the families, they grieve.
328
00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:17,716
They want to assist any way they can.
329
00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:21,053
So it's more of a concern
and a willingness
330
00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:23,263
to do anything possible
to find their loved one.
331
00:20:23,347 --> 00:20:27,434
The only place I still haven't looked
that I feel somewhat hopeful
332
00:20:27,517 --> 00:20:29,853
of being able to find him alive
is gonna be Mexico,
333
00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,231
and I don't know how hard
or how long that'll take.
334
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:39,196
One of our volunteers
was actually a bounty hunter.
335
00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:42,282
I sent him down into Mexico
to see if he had ended up in prison.
336
00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,701
Because of some of the weird stuff
he might do,
337
00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,495
he might get himself hauled away to jail.
338
00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:51,500
And he couldn't find him either.
His name was Tim Bengston.
339
00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:55,796
Wait, wait, wait. She said
I went to Mexico and Costa Rica?
340
00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:57,881
That's a big, big, big story.
341
00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,760
I never... I can swear to Holy God to you,
and I am a churchgoing person,
342
00:21:01,843 --> 00:21:05,514
I never went out of Tampa.
343
00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:09,393
"Tim Bengston has
checked the prisons in Costa Rica."
344
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:12,479
"I offered him $100,000 to find Don alive,
345
00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:15,357
or in the worst case,
to convict Don's killers."
346
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,693
"I asked him to come up
with an hourly figure
347
00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,737
in the event that Don is found dead
by his own doing."
348
00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:23,365
I said,
"Well, I'm not a PI or anything, Carole,"
349
00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:25,117
but she asked me to look into it.
350
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,160
"What do you want?"
"Seven dollars an hour!"
351
00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:30,372
I was charging her what I got for the cats
way back then.
352
00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:35,460
Tim was there because he failed
his bounty hunter license
353
00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:38,005
and couldn't get it the first time around.
354
00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,300
And I remember he picked up this leopard.
355
00:21:41,383 --> 00:21:42,926
She had a leash on, a collar on,
356
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:46,471
but he just put her over his shoulders
and walked her back to the cage
357
00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,390
like a Tarzan type.
358
00:21:48,473 --> 00:21:51,268
You know,
that just didn't sit well with me,
359
00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:53,812
and I said, "Carole,
I'm really concerned about Tim."
360
00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:59,026
And she told me, "You know,
I have to wonder with people like Tim
361
00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:00,444
if the animals realize
362
00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:04,114
that they're simpleminded,
and they don't hurt them."
363
00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:10,787
Why would you hire somebody
that you say is simpleminded
364
00:22:10,871 --> 00:22:12,998
to look for somebody that's missing?
365
00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,918
I did this
for two or three weeks for her.
366
00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,670
Just to give her peace of mind.
367
00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:25,052
I never went to Mexico,
Costa Rica, anywhere. Never.
368
00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:27,721
I was in the confines of Florida.
369
00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:31,350
We had a volunteer meeting.
370
00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,645
We got all the volunteers together
and spearheaded an amateur search.
371
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,857
We went out to the airport
372
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:43,153
because we were looking
for pieces of plane or body parts.
373
00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:45,322
We knocked on doors
374
00:22:45,405 --> 00:22:48,450
to see if anybody had heard
planes taking off or seen anything.
375
00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,243
It was us that did that.
376
00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:53,705
She wasn't with us.
377
00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,043
Carole had made us aware
378
00:22:58,126 --> 00:23:01,421
that there was a 300-acre parcel he owned
that was right around the corner,
379
00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:04,591
so we also went and searched
that piece of property.
380
00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:11,932
But if you want to go look at every parcel
that Don had and that he might be on,
381
00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:13,934
you're gonna do a lot of legwork,
382
00:23:14,017 --> 00:23:16,478
'cause he had a lot of property
from what I understand.
383
00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:21,691
I think Don's body
could be out at Seffner.
384
00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:23,902
He had a 172-acre property out there.
385
00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:26,154
He could be out there.
386
00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:31,451
Before Don went missing,
Trish and Kenny actually lived out there.
387
00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:37,124
One of the properties
that Dad owned in Seffner, Florida,
388
00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:38,542
we referred to it as "The Farm."
389
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,545
It had a lake on it.
390
00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:43,880
As far as we can tell,
391
00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,843
the police department have never given it
a real good investigation.
392
00:23:48,343 --> 00:23:52,139
It's possible someone
could have hidden human remains there.
393
00:23:53,598 --> 00:23:56,935
If we could
get a diver in that lake,
394
00:23:57,018 --> 00:23:58,895
I think we could put her in jail.
395
00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:07,821
'Sup, everyone? It's Ripper here.
Behind me is the gator-infested lake
396
00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:11,658
where Don Lewis's remains could be.
397
00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:15,787
We have a couple divers on the boat now.
398
00:24:16,997 --> 00:24:19,237
Hey, there's something
that's right under us now.
399
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,585
Yes, girl. Good girl. Good girl.
400
00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:27,132
It's a weird shape.
401
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,510
We got divers in the water.
402
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:33,138
There's two spots that have been marked.
403
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,184
And we have
the forensics diver right here.
404
00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:44,608
It's pretty dirty in there.
405
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:49,112
So they can't see anything.
They're just feeling around the bottom.
406
00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:53,241
You're right in the right area.
You'll have to check the whole area.
407
00:24:58,038 --> 00:24:59,831
Nothing.
408
00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:04,085
I got a clear bottom here.
We're gonna pull the divers out.
409
00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:09,132
The problem is
410
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:13,053
if you don't collect that evidence
at the time, then it gets lost forever.
411
00:25:13,595 --> 00:25:15,514
Every week you delay,
412
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:18,391
every month you delay,
every year you delay,
413
00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:19,893
you lose something.
414
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:25,732
To solve this case,
someone needs to come forward.
415
00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:29,319
Of course, I'd love to talk to Kenny Farr.
416
00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:32,656
What was he doing
that night Don went missing?
417
00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:41,748
I wasn't involved
in Don Lewis's disappearance.
418
00:25:43,333 --> 00:25:45,710
Around 20 years ago, the police asked me
419
00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,630
if I would be acceptive
to taking a polygraph,
420
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,508
and I said, "Absolutely."
And I went down and took one.
421
00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:53,260
That was done for...
422
00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,595
Ken Farr was out of the question
at that point.
423
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,472
They wanted nothing more to do with me.
424
00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:02,894
They asked him directly,
"Did you kill Don Lewis?"
425
00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:05,939
And he denied it and passed the polygraph.
426
00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:09,609
But the thing they didn't ask him
was about the guns.
427
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:11,194
I'm still curious about the guns.
428
00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:16,825
I mean, I just feel like there's more
to the gun story than we know right now.
429
00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:22,747
Once Don disappeared, Kenny changed.
He was not the same person,
430
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,166
and he just progressively got worse.
431
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,295
Kenny started getting very paranoid.
432
00:26:28,378 --> 00:26:32,549
He started putting cameras in our yard,
put cameras in the house.
433
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,137
And that's when Kenny
went crazy on my mom.
434
00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:40,348
He was beating up my mom
and threatening to kill her,
435
00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,768
and me and my sister ran next door
436
00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:46,104
and called the cops, and the cops came.
437
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,650
I seen the blue lights
coming in the driveway,
438
00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:54,362
so he called me a nice name
and left out the back door.
439
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,531
Should be
considered armed and dangerous...
440
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,695
They couldn't find Kenny,
but they took all the guns.
441
00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,119
They said every gun
was loaded that day too.
442
00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:05,457
They brought in
a couple different deputies that came in
443
00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:09,377
and they wrote down little tags and put
on each gun as they carried them out.
444
00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,758
I took my kids
and what we could fit in the car.
445
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,214
We left everything else behind.
446
00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:18,845
Hello?
447
00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:21,973
Trish, this is Donna Pettis.
I'm in the car with Anne.
448
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,058
Oh, okay.
449
00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:27,062
How do you think Kenny's gonna
react when we show up unannounced?
450
00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:30,106
I don't think
that he'll be evil or anything.
451
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:31,775
He may say, "I don't want to talk."
452
00:27:31,858 --> 00:27:34,736
When was the last time
you physically talked to him?
453
00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:39,741
In 2000, after I gave Hillsborough
County the guns and I had left.
454
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,495
Well, thank you, Trish.
We'll make it over here.
455
00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:45,705
You guys let me know
that everything's okay.
456
00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:48,667
We will. Thank you, Trish.
Appreciate it so much. Okay.
457
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,877
All right.
You guys be careful, please.
458
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,882
Turn right
onto Exit 98 now.
459
00:27:57,217 --> 00:27:59,302
- Is it right here?
- Uh-huh.
460
00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:05,100
He's home. All right, pull in there.
Let's get it over with.
461
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,361
Yes?
462
00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:20,657
Hi, we're looking for Kenny.
463
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:21,825
I don't know.
464
00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,619
Yeah, this is Anne.
I'd like to speak to Kenny.
465
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,955
Uh, you are not
allowed to come here.
466
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:31,543
Uh, if you continue with this,
I'm going to call the police.
467
00:28:31,626 --> 00:28:33,503
Tell Kenny
that I'm Don's daughter.
468
00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:36,423
I don't care who you are.
This is my property.
469
00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:39,509
- You are not allowed to be in my property.
- Please tell Kenny...
470
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:42,011
- I'm calling right now the police.
- Okay.
471
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:45,598
She's calling the police.
She's calling.
472
00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:46,516
She's upset.
473
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,310
What do you and Anne want to do?
What are you guys thinking?
474
00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,994
I wrote Kenny a note and I said,
475
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,981
"I'm Don's daughter, Donna.
Please call me."
476
00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,692
That's actually not the cops...
477
00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:07,166
I don't think
we should stay any longer.
478
00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:10,707
Good work, ladies.
That was very brave.
479
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,793
Either that or very stupid.
One of the two.
480
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,924
Kenny must have been looking
from upstairs.
481
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:23,136
You know, up...
looking out the window right there.
482
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:28,183
Kenny Farr
is part of this open investigation.
483
00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,144
He wasn't willing to talk to us.
484
00:29:32,937 --> 00:29:35,273
And I've attempted to do an interview
485
00:29:35,356 --> 00:29:37,609
with Carole Baskins
on two different occasions,
486
00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:40,069
and I was denied both times
by her attorney.
487
00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:43,907
She declined to take a polygraph as well.
488
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:50,789
Most missing persons cases or homicides,
the spouse generally does talk to us,
489
00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:53,792
butit's been
a different case than normal.
490
00:29:59,088 --> 00:30:01,591
She is
the shocker of the season.
491
00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:04,511
The Tiger Queen roaring to the ballroom.
492
00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:07,722
- Hey, Carole!
- I'm running late.
493
00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:11,142
Carole, it's fantastic to see you.
I love your backpack!
494
00:30:11,226 --> 00:30:15,355
As many of you have heard,
I am in Los Angeles,
495
00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:18,149
and I am on Dancing with the Stars.
496
00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:20,735
Oh, Dancing with the Stars?
497
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,738
They are literally using her for a clown.
498
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:27,826
Because they know that people are
gonna watch her make an ass of herself.
499
00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:37,168
Dancing the pasodoble,
it's Carole Baskin.
500
00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:51,766
I don't know why she's doing this.
501
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:55,895
I guess it's just she's trying
to portray herself in a different light,
502
00:30:56,479 --> 00:31:01,651
but honestly, these are all things
that are making her look worse.
503
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:09,117
All of the negative media attention
that came out of Tiger King
504
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,244
was extremely difficult.
505
00:31:11,327 --> 00:31:15,290
I keep it inside
and wait until everybody is gone
506
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,333
before I can break down,
507
00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:20,295
and I don't know how to make it better.
508
00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:26,384
I would've loved for her to put the energy
that she's putting into the show
509
00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:29,178
into helping find out
what happened to Daddy.
510
00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:32,932
The conversation I had
with the family was,
511
00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:36,519
"We can't let Carole dance with the stars
512
00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,480
and take the message away from Don Lewis."
513
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,900
And we had a feeling
that we could do a commercial
514
00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:44,235
that would get enough attention.
515
00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:50,825
I'm Gale. Don Lewis was our dad.
516
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,745
- Here it is.
- I'm Linda. We miss our dad.
517
00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,497
I'm Donna. We need to know
what happened to our father.
518
00:31:56,581 --> 00:32:00,293
I'm Anne.
All we're asking is justice for Don.
519
00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:03,504
Don Lewis mysteriously disappeared
in 1997.
520
00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:05,423
His family deserves justice.
521
00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:08,760
Do you know who did this
or if Carole Baskin was involved?
522
00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:11,930
It was a first
on Dancing With the Stars.
523
00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:14,223
The bomb
that dropped on Carole
524
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,185
from the family
of her missing former husband.
525
00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:20,939
I was really surprised
that they actually said Carole's name.
526
00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:22,607
Officially, she is not a suspect,
527
00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:27,737
and so, on such a large platform,
to say her name seems risky.
528
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:32,033
It was a publicity stunt for Don Lewis.
It absolutely was.
529
00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:35,536
John likes to be in front of the camera.
530
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:39,499
He said he wanted to keep the pressure on,
531
00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:42,961
but we did a lot more media
than we were comfortable with.
532
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,841
Instead of
talking to his clients,
533
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:51,636
I think he was more concerned
with media coverage.
534
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:57,976
So we just felt like it was best
that we find another counsel
535
00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:01,646
that was more in line with what we wanted.
536
00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:07,151
Not being able to
finish what I started was disappointing.
537
00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,988
I believe that there was enough there
538
00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:13,616
pointing at her involvement or knowledge
about what happened
539
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,953
that we wanted to take her deposition.
540
00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:21,666
But, unfortunately, sometimes clients
have to learn the hard way
541
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,168
about what's in their best interest,
542
00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:28,006
and they chose Ripper over me, in a way.
543
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,049
And it hurt.
544
00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:34,595
We feel like Ripper's team
may be able to get to this faster.
545
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:39,809
He's very devoted, just to the nth degree.
546
00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:42,997
A lot of people want to actually
talk to the family lawyer.
547
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,064
They want to talk to somebody real,
548
00:33:45,148 --> 00:33:48,651
not that sits in a gaming chair
and makes YouTube videos.
549
00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:52,905
I'd like to say everything worked out
for the best but I don't know that it will
550
00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,824
because I don't trust him.
551
00:33:55,658 --> 00:33:57,869
My name is Jack Smith.
552
00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,747
Some of you all know me as Ripper.
553
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:04,042
This memorial has been in the making
for almost 23 years.
554
00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:07,295
I wish I could stand up here
and tell you all what happened,
555
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,380
but I can't.
556
00:34:09,964 --> 00:34:11,340
It's a big mystery.
557
00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:15,762
We're at a point in the investigation
where we're at a dead-end road.
558
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,931
Like, there's nothing else coming in,
559
00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:22,143
and these daughters want answers so badly.
560
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:26,022
I was doing research
on psychic detectives,
561
00:34:26,105 --> 00:34:29,442
people who have the ability
to work with police departments,
562
00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:34,989
and I researched for several days
and I finally found Troy Griffin.
563
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:36,991
Meet Troy Griffin.
564
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:42,955
Troy is a Christian, clairvoyant, empathic
psychic medium, and psychic detective.
565
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,874
I'm a psychic investigator
566
00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:47,752
on unsolved cold case murders
around the world.
567
00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:49,962
I'm natural. I've never trained for this.
568
00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:53,132
I fell into this by meeting someone
in a gift shop 16 years ago.
569
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:56,636
But I have found where bodies are located.
570
00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:58,971
I have to see a picture of the victim
571
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,309
because I do remote view as a psychic,
where I connect through the victim's eyes,
572
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:07,188
and it's almost like they're showing me
what happened to them.
573
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,650
The Farm is even further east
on the outskirts of town,
574
00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:12,610
on the far east side of the county.
575
00:35:12,693 --> 00:35:16,072
So what I like to do
is I like to go to last known locations.
576
00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:18,366
I let my intuition
just show me the pictures,
577
00:35:18,449 --> 00:35:20,326
the things it wants to show me,
578
00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,662
and I just let my intuition guide me.
579
00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:25,540
There's some bad juju here.
580
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:26,623
Okay.
581
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:29,794
I feel like I wanna puke.
582
00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:32,004
He feels like he's going to puke.
583
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:35,133
Yeah, I feel like
I could lose my cookies.
584
00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:39,303
He said this
was Daddy's last location.
585
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,597
- Right here?
- Somewhere right in here.
586
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,975
And that's why he's so sick.
587
00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:47,019
He said he can tell me
this was my dad's last location.
588
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:54,485
It's like I could see the movie
of exactly what happened.
589
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,154
He was murdered there.
590
00:35:58,489 --> 00:35:59,657
From behind.
591
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:02,660
I'm sorry.
592
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:14,046
You know,
the one thing about this whole world,
593
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,550
whether it's Carole Baskin's world
or Joe Exotic's world,
594
00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:21,804
is there's a lot of people around
who wanted 15 minutes of fame.
595
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:23,431
Mostly, it's helpful,
596
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:27,185
but sometimes it's drama
that a family doesn't need.
597
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:30,813
Did you guys notice
I've been talking about chicken all day?
598
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:33,274
Do you notice
what's laying on the ground there?
599
00:36:33,357 --> 00:36:35,234
Back there?
600
00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:38,487
Can you go back?
Take a look by the porta potty.
601
00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:40,489
- Mmm-mmm.
- Did you see it?
602
00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:42,825
No, I did not. Is there a chicken?
603
00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:47,205
There's the container that you...
It's a chicken.
604
00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:49,248
Okay.
605
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:52,001
Yeah, when you guys go down there,
you'll see the yellow...
606
00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:52,960
Okay.
607
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,324
...by the outhouse there.
608
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:57,632
- Okay. It's a, it's a...
- It's a chicken container.
609
00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:00,509
Okay. Okay. All right.
I'm going to take a look at it.
610
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:04,701
I think the family should do
611
00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,599
whatever the family
thinks they need to do.
612
00:37:06,682 --> 00:37:08,976
They want some answers
to what happened to their father,
613
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,020
and I completely sympathize with them.
614
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:14,732
But we will successfully
complete this case.
615
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,902
I've probably got 300 cases under my belt.
616
00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:20,071
I've only lost two cases.
617
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:22,907
I believe I can solve every case
that's presented to me.
618
00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:27,370
It's been a difficult year
619
00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:29,705
because we've had to relive
a lot of things,
620
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,209
and we're learning things
that we knew nothing about.
621
00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:37,380
It's been very hard to take all this in.
622
00:37:38,381 --> 00:37:40,174
But it will be worth it.
623
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:42,510
We are getting answers. We just...
624
00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:45,638
We're ready for it to be concluded.
625
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,060
Well, let's hope
this is not closed as a cold case, huh?
626
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,815
We've got to get some truth and justice
back into the system.
627
00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,568
That's why I've
reached out to John for help.
628
00:38:02,154 --> 00:38:04,115
I've got a lot of disappointment
629
00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:09,370
from me not being able to solve the death
and/or disappearance of Don.
630
00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:15,251
But I got traded
from Don Lewis's family to Joe Exotic.
631
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:19,755
It's a lucky fishing hat.
It's time to catch something.
632
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:23,175
Happening today,
another twist in the Tiger King saga.
633
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,136
Local attorney John Phillips
634
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:28,055
is now representing
the infamous Tiger King.
635
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:31,892
Now that's a fish!
636
00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:34,854
I went to see Joe in prison.
637
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:37,815
He brought up
the Dancing with the Stars commercial.
638
00:38:37,898 --> 00:38:38,898
He'd seen it.
639
00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:42,611
And he said, "The one criticism I have,"
and I've heard this since then,
640
00:38:42,695 --> 00:38:44,935
he's like, "You look like
you're all being held hostage,"
641
00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:46,907
because we're just scrunched up.
642
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:48,242
Do you know who did this?
643
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,786
That happened and then he hired me.
644
00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,082
I feel good!
645
00:38:55,666 --> 00:39:01,630
I hope John is what John says he is,
but we'll see.
646
00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:05,384
Joe may be an imperfect individual,
647
00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:09,013
but there was a lot at play
throughout his life.
648
00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:14,560
The question is, was he taken
from this exercise of fantasy
649
00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:19,148
into really hiring somebody
to kill Carole?
650
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:23,444
And would he have done that
without a setup?
651
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:30,493
If there was a scheme by Jeff Lowe,
James Garretson, Allen Glover
652
00:39:30,576 --> 00:39:33,996
to set up Joe,
653
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,956
it is in the interest of justice
654
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,459
that Joe gets a new trial,
and a jury hears all of it.
655
00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:41,253
Anyone got a whip?
656
00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:42,880
Get back, you bitch!
657
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:51,055
Hey, one to Allen. I got someone
I need you to take care of. Get up here.
658
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,143
Jeff was the number one
motherfucker in this project.
659
00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:01,107
Everybody else has changed their stories
but me until this moment.
660
00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:06,362
I can't get through it
until I get this off my chest.
661
00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:11,117
This ain't over yet.
662
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,161
"Cut her head off."
663
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:16,789
That's what Joe Exotic allegedly demanded
664
00:40:16,872 --> 00:40:19,500
when he hired would-be hitman Allen Glover
665
00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:22,044
to kill animal activist Carole Baskin.
666
00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:25,172
Did I go to Florida to kill her?
No, I did not.
667
00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:29,510
I had no desire of killing that lady.
None. Zero.
668
00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:36,142
Joe was fucking framed
from start to fucking finish.
669
00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:42,398
Anything I could possibly do
to help him get out, I would.
670
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,489
Now I'm ready to take a break.
671
00:40:51,574 --> 00:40:53,868
- Okay.
- Jesus fucking Christ.
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