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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:15,282 And good morning, Tampa Bay. We'll get to our top story in a moment. 2 00:00:15,306 --> 00:00:17,851 John Phillips and the three daughters of Don Lewis 3 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:21,271 are setto speak here later today. 4 00:00:21,354 --> 00:00:23,690 Phillips plans to hold his news conference. 5 00:00:23,773 --> 00:00:27,152 He hopes to get answers by seeking sworn statements and subpoenas. 6 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:32,490 Big lawyers want big cases, otherwise they're not big lawyers, you know? 7 00:00:34,784 --> 00:00:38,872 Carole Baskin calls this event a publicity stunt and says the tips 8 00:00:38,955 --> 00:00:41,416 should be going to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. 9 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:48,673 Resolving this case is in everyone's best interest. 10 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:50,925 It's in Carole Baskin's best interest. 11 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:53,344 I invite her to the table. 12 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:56,681 I invite her to talk 13 00:00:56,765 --> 00:01:00,518 and let us know what really happened. 14 00:01:00,602 --> 00:01:05,482 More than invite her, we're going to serve her with a lawsuit. 15 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:12,614 I will ask one time that we come together to find closure. 16 00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:15,784 If that can't be done, I'm a lawyer. 17 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:17,702 I sue people. 18 00:01:23,291 --> 00:01:26,127 John Phillips, the attorney, called me and says, 19 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:28,713 "I've got a high-profile person for you." 20 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:33,718 I pick up the summons, and it says Carole Baskin, 21 00:01:33,802 --> 00:01:36,387 and I said, "Get the beep out of here." 22 00:01:38,431 --> 00:01:41,851 So I drive out, drive to the compound gate, 23 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:44,896 I see Carole coming around on the golf cart, 24 00:01:44,979 --> 00:01:48,024 and I said, "Hey, Carole, you probably know what this is." 25 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:50,652 She said, "Yeah, I know what this is." 26 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:52,195 She looks at it, 27 00:01:52,278 --> 00:01:55,698 and I said, "Carole, do you mind if I take a selfie with you?" 28 00:01:55,782 --> 00:01:59,494 She knows, I handed her the lawsuit, 29 00:01:59,577 --> 00:02:01,704 and you take a selfie with me? 30 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:05,875 I think she feels like she's untouchable. 31 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:08,419 I always win, 32 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:10,880 no matter who my opponents are. 33 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:14,300 They think they are taking on a person, 34 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:17,637 when really they are taking on the tiger. 35 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:29,065 You have two old messages. 36 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:32,110 Hello, my name is Sandra Wittkopp. 37 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:36,531 Somebody forged my name on a bunch of papers. 38 00:02:37,282 --> 00:02:39,742 Don's will, for one thing. 39 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:41,619 I just wanted to let you know. 40 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:46,499 Sandra was the one that notarized the will and the power of attorney 41 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:47,667 that Carole produced. 42 00:02:48,251 --> 00:02:51,129 You have Sandra as the notary, 43 00:02:51,212 --> 00:02:55,550 but this signature here, she says it's been forged. 44 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:59,596 There's no way to get around this. I mean, this is fraud. 45 00:03:02,056 --> 00:03:07,770 There's a power of attorney will that surfaced after Don disappeared. 46 00:03:08,688 --> 00:03:13,276 The person who stood to benefit from the will was Carole. 47 00:03:13,359 --> 00:03:15,612 "He had me change the will a few times 48 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:18,323 because he seemed to just delight in making sure 49 00:03:18,406 --> 00:03:22,785 that none of 'his greedy kids, ' as he said, were in it." 50 00:03:24,579 --> 00:03:28,499 So we've got the will and we've got the power of attorney. 51 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:33,838 They're signed on the exact same day by the exact same notary, 52 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,506 but there's a problem. 53 00:03:36,299 --> 00:03:39,969 Every single signature are identical. 54 00:03:42,263 --> 00:03:45,600 If you talk to handwriting experts, that's impossible. 55 00:03:46,684 --> 00:03:50,647 And try it yourself. Take a piece of paper and just sign your name twice 56 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,191 and you're not going to realize 57 00:03:53,274 --> 00:03:56,736 what variance there is in just normal signatures. 58 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:04,285 Don's was done by simply tracing Don Lewis's signature 59 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:07,121 from his marriage license. 60 00:04:07,997 --> 00:04:11,167 And so we've got mounting evidence 61 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:15,296 that appears to show this will was forged. 62 00:04:16,631 --> 00:04:18,967 I had brought in three firms. 63 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:21,719 They used all their tools, all their technology on it, 64 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:23,513 and they said the documents were legit. 65 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:26,432 Now all the stuff that has been said since then 66 00:04:26,516 --> 00:04:28,977 are people that are looking at copies on the internet 67 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:31,145 and they're sitting at home in their armchair going, 68 00:04:31,229 --> 00:04:34,274 "Nope, that's not right. That's a copy. That's a tracing." 69 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:35,441 That's just ridiculous. 70 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:41,114 Hey, everybody. I'm gonna put this one document up here. 71 00:04:41,698 --> 00:04:45,451 Now the notary, Sandra Wittkopp, stamps this, 72 00:04:45,535 --> 00:04:50,290 but let's say this is being created after Don went missing. 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,545 The fraud could be connected to why Don may have disappeared. 74 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:02,176 Hello? 75 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:03,553 Are you Ripper? 76 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:06,597 I am Ripper, and I'm also Jack. 77 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:10,226 Okay. I watch you on Facebook all the time. 78 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:11,978 I was the housekeeper. 79 00:05:12,061 --> 00:05:14,272 I did their laundry, I cooked their supper, 80 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:17,859 and helped take care of the lemurs. I was the lemur lady. 81 00:05:17,942 --> 00:05:19,652 We're trying to get to the truth. 82 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:22,697 Can I ask you just a few questions about your voicemail? 83 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:23,780 Sure. 84 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,243 After Don went missing, do you remember how Carole acted? 85 00:05:27,827 --> 00:05:29,120 It was a Monday. 86 00:05:29,203 --> 00:05:32,915 I was just shocked when Carole came up to me and said, 87 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:36,044 "Don's missing. We don't know what happened to him, 88 00:05:36,127 --> 00:05:40,173 so if you see police walking around, that's what it's all about." 89 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:42,175 That's enough. 90 00:05:43,468 --> 00:05:44,635 Are you there? 91 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:46,929 My husband wants me to cut it off. 92 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:50,558 I'm just tired of hashing it over and over and over again. 93 00:05:51,309 --> 00:05:52,560 We're not going to solve it 94 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:55,063 and we're not going to help anybody solve it. 95 00:05:55,146 --> 00:05:57,148 And we just don't need the... 96 00:05:57,231 --> 00:05:58,691 The publicity. 97 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:01,194 Not to be rude, but that's the way it is. 98 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:09,577 When you have somebody who doesn't want to talk to you, 99 00:06:10,078 --> 00:06:15,500 it leads you to think there's something to be afraid of with Carole Baskin. 100 00:06:16,292 --> 00:06:20,713 She's been able to intimidate people that might have information, 101 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:24,050 but with some of the leads that we have, 102 00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:27,470 can we find a way, 23 years later, to figure out 103 00:06:27,553 --> 00:06:30,598 where there's inconsistencies in Carole's story? 104 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:33,935 So much of this has been pieced together over the years 105 00:06:34,018 --> 00:06:36,396 that there are details... I got them out of order. 106 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:39,565 And people would love to say I'm lying because I got them out of order. 107 00:06:39,649 --> 00:06:42,318 It's like, you try and remember 20 some odd years ago. 108 00:06:44,862 --> 00:06:49,158 The way you would build a case against Carole is through a timeline. 109 00:06:51,536 --> 00:06:55,498 There are questions with regard to her version of events. 110 00:06:56,332 --> 00:06:58,251 My husband left early in the morning. 111 00:06:58,334 --> 00:07:00,253 When he didn't come home the rest of the night, 112 00:07:00,336 --> 00:07:02,046 then we turned him in as a missing person, 113 00:07:02,130 --> 00:07:05,174 and we haven't seen or heard anything since then. 114 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:09,053 She's told this story for years, 115 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:12,348 but we've got varying versions of what happened. 116 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:13,891 So what's the truth? 117 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:17,937 "June 15th, 1997." 118 00:07:18,938 --> 00:07:21,649 "Out of the blue, Don is loving, and attentive, 119 00:07:21,732 --> 00:07:23,943 and really keeps me on edge, 120 00:07:24,026 --> 00:07:27,238 never knowing who he's going to be from minute to minute." 121 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:31,242 As we get closer to the time Don disappears, 122 00:07:31,826 --> 00:07:37,165 Carole's words seem to contradict what we know about their marriage. 123 00:07:38,207 --> 00:07:42,920 "When he is loving, he makes me feel as if I am the only woman in the world." 124 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:44,630 "It was his superpower." 125 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:47,592 But right before that, 126 00:07:47,675 --> 00:07:50,970 Don had filed a restraining order against Carole. 127 00:07:51,888 --> 00:07:54,515 He said that she had threatened to kill him. 128 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,938 Everybody I've talked to said Don was talking about divorce. 129 00:08:01,647 --> 00:08:04,901 If that's the case, there would have been a fight over the cats. 130 00:08:05,526 --> 00:08:08,488 The only time that she and I ever talked about anything personal 131 00:08:08,571 --> 00:08:10,865 was when she took me to this convention. 132 00:08:11,365 --> 00:08:13,576 "August 6th, 1997." 133 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:17,079 "Don returned from Costa Rica and agreed to take care of everything 134 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:19,832 so that Judy Watson and I could drive to Jacksonville 135 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,960 for the Long Island Ocelot Club Convention." 136 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:27,840 On the way there, we got to talk a little bit about Don. 137 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:30,426 Carole said in our conversation 138 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:34,013 that people had asked her why she didn't just divorce him. 139 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:37,892 People were saying that he was always running around on her. 140 00:08:37,975 --> 00:08:39,727 Yeah. She gets jealous. 141 00:08:40,895 --> 00:08:43,689 And she said, "I won't divorce Don," 142 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:48,945 because she didn't want half of everything. She wanted it all. 143 00:08:52,657 --> 00:08:55,910 It was shortly, shortly after that, that he disappeared. 144 00:09:00,248 --> 00:09:04,210 There's a big question on when Don Lewis went missing. 145 00:09:04,293 --> 00:09:08,673 Some say the 15th. Carole points more to the 17th or 18th. 146 00:09:10,299 --> 00:09:13,928 So what happened between Friday... 147 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:15,930 and Tuesday... 148 00:09:16,764 --> 00:09:19,517 when Don was actually declared missing? 149 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,561 I mean, that's just critical. 150 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:24,063 And we've got varying versions of what happened. 151 00:09:27,775 --> 00:09:31,153 The last time I saw Don was August the 15th, 152 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:33,114 whenever he left my office. 153 00:09:33,197 --> 00:09:38,661 And he told me that him and Carole had had a big fuss the night before, 154 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:41,831 and that he had slept in the trailer. 155 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:44,792 Anne said that Don told her 156 00:09:44,875 --> 00:09:48,087 that he and Carole had had this huge fight. 157 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:50,464 What's interesting to me about that 158 00:09:50,548 --> 00:09:55,720 is her journal makes zero mention of that argument. 159 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,974 In the journal, she talks about what happened every day 160 00:10:00,057 --> 00:10:02,560 from Thursday through Tuesday. 161 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:04,645 The day she omits? 162 00:10:05,187 --> 00:10:06,187 Friday. 163 00:10:07,690 --> 00:10:11,986 Sometimes you can tell as much from an omission 164 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:15,448 as you can from what's stated out loud. 165 00:10:15,531 --> 00:10:17,116 "I haven't written much in a while 166 00:10:17,199 --> 00:10:19,910 because things have been going smoothly for a change." 167 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:24,373 "Last Thursday, he started complaining more than usual about his diarrhea." 168 00:10:25,666 --> 00:10:27,918 "Saturday he felt good enough to go yard sale-ing 169 00:10:28,002 --> 00:10:33,215 and brought home assorted junk for his impending export to Costa Rica." 170 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:39,388 The last time I saw Don was Sunday, the day before he disappeared. 171 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:47,146 Sundays, we told everybody we were closed to give the owners a day off. 172 00:10:47,229 --> 00:10:49,023 So it was typically a quiet day. 173 00:10:50,733 --> 00:10:52,443 Don approached me. 174 00:10:52,526 --> 00:10:54,111 He was really busy. 175 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:55,446 He had so much to do 176 00:10:55,529 --> 00:10:59,283 to get the shipment ready to go on Monday to go to Costa Rica. 177 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:02,995 He was really happy when he was getting ready to go down there. 178 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:07,124 But once I went home, I don't know what happened after that. 179 00:11:13,255 --> 00:11:16,926 Carole's whole story of Sunday night 180 00:11:17,426 --> 00:11:21,430 just doesn't seem to hold up at all. 181 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:23,641 At about 3:00 a.m., 182 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:29,980 Carole was seen by deputies walking down the street. 183 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:33,859 She's hysterical about something. 184 00:11:33,943 --> 00:11:36,112 She was coming back from Albertsons. 185 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:41,242 "Sunday night I needed ingredients for the kitten formula and trash cans." 186 00:11:41,325 --> 00:11:43,494 "I thought Albertsons was an all-night store." 187 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:48,833 Tiger milk at three o'clock in the morning? Not likely. 188 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:53,421 Albertsons tiger milk? Come on. 189 00:11:56,424 --> 00:11:59,009 Carole has come back and said, "No, no, no." 190 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:01,762 She said it was after the eleven o'clock feeding. 191 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:05,891 "So after the 11:00 p.m. feeding, I drove up there." 192 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:08,018 "Albertsons was closed." 193 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:11,272 That's a very big gap of time 194 00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:14,150 between eleven and three o'clock in the morning. 195 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:18,028 What's going on during that whole time? 196 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:22,825 Do you believe that Carole Baskin went to Albertsons 197 00:12:22,908 --> 00:12:24,493 the night of August 17th? 198 00:12:25,077 --> 00:12:27,121 You're asking questions that go to a timeline, 199 00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:30,207 and a timeline is a very sensitive part of the investigation. 200 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,044 "The station wagon I used overheated, 201 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:36,464 and I could not get the radiator cap off." 202 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:40,968 "I let the car sit for a long time, and I tried to start it with no success." 203 00:12:41,844 --> 00:12:42,928 The station wagon, 204 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:46,056 which has never been mentioned before in her journals, 205 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,809 this vehicle wasn't her regular car, 206 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:51,312 comes on the scene breaking down. 207 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:55,441 It just strikes me as very odd and suspicious. 208 00:12:55,941 --> 00:13:00,571 We haven't seen an actual report on the car itself. 209 00:13:01,989 --> 00:13:04,617 There was no police report that confirms 210 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,244 that Carole broke down on the side of the road. 211 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,246 "My car had overheated, 212 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:11,540 so I was fussing around with it for a while 213 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:14,418 before giving up and starting the walk home." 214 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:17,671 "That was six miles in the dark along Sheldon Road 215 00:13:17,755 --> 00:13:21,509 and would have been a two-hour walk in good circumstances." 216 00:13:21,592 --> 00:13:24,136 "So the 3:00 a.m. was probably around the time 217 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,555 I ran into Chuck and the other deputy." 218 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:29,308 Carole broke down, 219 00:13:29,391 --> 00:13:34,396 and lo and behold, her brother is the one who showed up first. 220 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:38,108 Another one of those things that's just crazy about this story 221 00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:41,987 is that her brother was on another call for a burglary, 222 00:13:42,071 --> 00:13:45,074 and he happened to be on the same street. 223 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:49,203 "My brother was on patrol on Sheldon Road 224 00:13:49,286 --> 00:13:51,121 and was in the middle of an arrest." 225 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,207 "I had to go a fair bit out of the way 226 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:55,459 to approach my brother and the other deputies." 227 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:57,378 "If I was up to something nefarious, 228 00:13:57,461 --> 00:14:00,172 I would have just slinked past in the darkness." 229 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:03,551 She wasn't that far from Wildlife on Easy Street 230 00:14:03,634 --> 00:14:05,427 at that moment in time, 231 00:14:05,511 --> 00:14:10,558 so it is possible that Carole didn't go to Albertsons that night. 232 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:15,145 But this is potentially the time that something happened to Don. 233 00:14:17,773 --> 00:14:21,360 I think she's telling a tale, trying to place herself 234 00:14:21,443 --> 00:14:23,362 somewhere that she was not. 235 00:14:23,445 --> 00:14:25,781 There was something going on that Sunday night, 236 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,909 whether it was disposing of the body, something. 237 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,622 What Carole has said before is that when she gets upset, 238 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:35,958 she will pace. 239 00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:38,460 I deal with stress, I think, the same way cats do. 240 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,254 I just pace and pace and pace... 241 00:14:40,337 --> 00:14:44,341 You can't forget the deputy said she was hysterical. 242 00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:46,802 Why is she so upset? 243 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:51,682 Why is she really walking at 3:00 a.m.? 244 00:14:52,766 --> 00:14:57,897 It could be connected to Don disappearing or Don meeting foul play. 245 00:14:59,481 --> 00:15:01,859 And that wasn't the only suspicious thing that night 246 00:15:01,942 --> 00:15:04,695 if you believe Kenny Farr's ex, Trish. 247 00:15:11,368 --> 00:15:16,123 My ex-husband Kenneth Farr was Don's right-hand man. 248 00:15:17,374 --> 00:15:21,045 I do think that Kenny had some hand in Don's disappearance. 249 00:15:24,757 --> 00:15:29,803 The day before Don disappeared, Kenny had been gone all afternoon. 250 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:33,015 He didn't go to work that day, which was unusual to begin with. 251 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,561 Kenny came home about 11:00, 12:00. It was late. 252 00:15:38,812 --> 00:15:41,106 He had one of Don's vans. 253 00:15:42,191 --> 00:15:46,236 I opened the door and I was like, "What the hell are you doing?" 254 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:48,447 He had a load of guns in the back. 255 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:52,034 He said, "Carole gave these to me." 256 00:15:52,117 --> 00:15:54,536 I said, "Why would Carole have all these guns?" 257 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:57,039 "I don't know. She just wanted them out of the house." 258 00:15:57,122 --> 00:16:00,876 And I was kind of freaking out, but I helped him carry them in. 259 00:16:01,502 --> 00:16:05,798 We put them under the bed. We put them in the closet in our room. 260 00:16:06,382 --> 00:16:08,050 We put them in the bathroom. 261 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:14,181 Kenny said, "Listen, Don's gone. Nobody knows where he's at." 262 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:15,975 "I don't want you talking about Don." 263 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:24,233 If those guns arrived at Kenny's house on Sunday evening, 264 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:28,445 that pretty much destroys Carole's alibi. 265 00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:31,365 Don wouldn't have given them away. 266 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,576 And Carole wouldn't have given them away either 267 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,538 given that how angry Don would have been with her. 268 00:16:38,288 --> 00:16:41,250 Don had a thing about guns. No doubt about it. 269 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:46,213 Money, guns, airplanes, and sex is what made Don Lewis. 270 00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:53,095 You come to no other conclusion than, "Don was gone." 271 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:56,265 And obviously, the first thing comes to mind 272 00:16:56,348 --> 00:16:58,058 when you think of a bunch of guns, 273 00:16:58,142 --> 00:17:01,895 and you realize Don disappeared and has never been seen again, 274 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:06,233 maybe one of those guns was used for that very purpose. 275 00:17:08,986 --> 00:17:10,904 "Kenny Farr's ex-wife, Trish, 276 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:15,367 claims that Kenny had brought Don's van full of guns to her marital home 277 00:17:15,451 --> 00:17:17,536 the day before Don disappeared." 278 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,288 "She makes a lot of false claims, 279 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,540 but Kenny did often drive our vehicles 280 00:17:21,623 --> 00:17:25,544 and could have been getting the guns ready for the barge trip to Costa Rica." 281 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:29,006 The thing is about the guns 282 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:32,926 is the explanations for the guns 283 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:38,307 have kind of been all over the map by both Carole and Kenny. 284 00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:40,016 Slate. 285 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:43,437 - Lower. Yeah, hit it. - In? Big Cats. 286 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,647 The Kenny interview. Take one. Marker. 287 00:17:46,273 --> 00:17:47,273 Go. 288 00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:48,776 Great. 289 00:17:48,859 --> 00:17:53,489 Don Lewis really liked his guns. I mean, he had many... like, many, many guns. 290 00:17:54,364 --> 00:17:58,786 But I traded the work of moving a house 291 00:17:59,661 --> 00:18:00,996 for his gun collection, 292 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,248 and it was like, "Wow, this..." 293 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:05,810 Sorry, we gotta wait a minute. 294 00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:06,919 Just wait for the plane. 295 00:18:07,002 --> 00:18:09,379 Don traded you the guns? 296 00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,174 Not Carole? 297 00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:15,010 No, Carole. 298 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,845 - What? - It was Carole. 299 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:18,514 But was Don gone already? 300 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:24,770 I don't remember. 301 00:18:24,853 --> 00:18:27,314 Because people say Don would never part with his guns. 302 00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:32,152 - Who traded you the guns? - Don traded me the guns. 303 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,491 Kenny came back late that night, 304 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,160 and he had Don's blue van. 305 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:46,041 Kenny shows up with the blue van at home Sunday evening. It's full of guns. 306 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:50,629 That was also the one that I read was recovered at the airport. 307 00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:54,174 Don's blue van was found at Pilot Country Airport in Spring Hill. 308 00:18:54,758 --> 00:19:01,056 The van was found at the Pilot Country Estates. 309 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,602 Let's presume Don was met with foul play, that he was murdered, 310 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,272 and someone has his van. 311 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,108 "Okay, what are we gonna do with Don's van?" 312 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:15,112 "We're gonna go put it at this airport," 313 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:18,866 trying to suggest Don flew to Costa Rica. 314 00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:22,870 Did Don Lewis really head down this Pasco County runway 315 00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:25,581 for a new life someplace else, 316 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,625 or did someone just want it to look that way? 317 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,056 When Don first disappeared, I think we all assumed he just ran off. 318 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:47,769 I used to go into Carole's office first thing when I got there 319 00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:51,440 to tell her that I was there and "What did she want me to do?" 320 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:55,819 I found her feeding a kitten, and she just started crying hysterically. 321 00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:59,823 And that's when she told me, "Don has either run off with somebody, 322 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:01,658 or something bad has happened to him." 323 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:03,702 So I said, "Do you need to get away?" 324 00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:07,206 And she said, "No. I need to stay here. I just don't wanna be bothered." 325 00:20:07,289 --> 00:20:08,749 "I don't wanna talk to anybody." 326 00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:11,710 "I don't wanna see anybody. I don't wanna be bothered again." 327 00:20:11,793 --> 00:20:15,756 The missing persons that I've had, the families, they grieve. 328 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:17,716 They want to assist any way they can. 329 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:21,053 So it's more of a concern and a willingness 330 00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:23,263 to do anything possible to find their loved one. 331 00:20:23,347 --> 00:20:27,434 The only place I still haven't looked that I feel somewhat hopeful 332 00:20:27,517 --> 00:20:29,853 of being able to find him alive is gonna be Mexico, 333 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,231 and I don't know how hard or how long that'll take. 334 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:39,196 One of our volunteers was actually a bounty hunter. 335 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:42,282 I sent him down into Mexico to see if he had ended up in prison. 336 00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,701 Because of some of the weird stuff he might do, 337 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,495 he might get himself hauled away to jail. 338 00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:51,500 And he couldn't find him either. His name was Tim Bengston. 339 00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:55,796 Wait, wait, wait. She said I went to Mexico and Costa Rica? 340 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:57,881 That's a big, big, big story. 341 00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,760 I never... I can swear to Holy God to you, and I am a churchgoing person, 342 00:21:01,843 --> 00:21:05,514 I never went out of Tampa. 343 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:09,393 "Tim Bengston has checked the prisons in Costa Rica." 344 00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:12,479 "I offered him $100,000 to find Don alive, 345 00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:15,357 or in the worst case, to convict Don's killers." 346 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,693 "I asked him to come up with an hourly figure 347 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,737 in the event that Don is found dead by his own doing." 348 00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:23,365 I said, "Well, I'm not a PI or anything, Carole," 349 00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:25,117 but she asked me to look into it. 350 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,160 "What do you want?" "Seven dollars an hour!" 351 00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:30,372 I was charging her what I got for the cats way back then. 352 00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:35,460 Tim was there because he failed his bounty hunter license 353 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:38,005 and couldn't get it the first time around. 354 00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,300 And I remember he picked up this leopard. 355 00:21:41,383 --> 00:21:42,926 She had a leash on, a collar on, 356 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:46,471 but he just put her over his shoulders and walked her back to the cage 357 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,390 like a Tarzan type. 358 00:21:48,473 --> 00:21:51,268 You know, that just didn't sit well with me, 359 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:53,812 and I said, "Carole, I'm really concerned about Tim." 360 00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:59,026 And she told me, "You know, I have to wonder with people like Tim 361 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:00,444 if the animals realize 362 00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:04,114 that they're simpleminded, and they don't hurt them." 363 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:10,787 Why would you hire somebody that you say is simpleminded 364 00:22:10,871 --> 00:22:12,998 to look for somebody that's missing? 365 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,918 I did this for two or three weeks for her. 366 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,670 Just to give her peace of mind. 367 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:25,052 I never went to Mexico, Costa Rica, anywhere. Never. 368 00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:27,721 I was in the confines of Florida. 369 00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:31,350 We had a volunteer meeting. 370 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,645 We got all the volunteers together and spearheaded an amateur search. 371 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,857 We went out to the airport 372 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:43,153 because we were looking for pieces of plane or body parts. 373 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:45,322 We knocked on doors 374 00:22:45,405 --> 00:22:48,450 to see if anybody had heard planes taking off or seen anything. 375 00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,243 It was us that did that. 376 00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:53,705 She wasn't with us. 377 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,043 Carole had made us aware 378 00:22:58,126 --> 00:23:01,421 that there was a 300-acre parcel he owned that was right around the corner, 379 00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:04,591 so we also went and searched that piece of property. 380 00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:11,932 But if you want to go look at every parcel that Don had and that he might be on, 381 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:13,934 you're gonna do a lot of legwork, 382 00:23:14,017 --> 00:23:16,478 'cause he had a lot of property from what I understand. 383 00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:21,691 I think Don's body could be out at Seffner. 384 00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:23,902 He had a 172-acre property out there. 385 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:26,154 He could be out there. 386 00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:31,451 Before Don went missing, Trish and Kenny actually lived out there. 387 00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:37,124 One of the properties that Dad owned in Seffner, Florida, 388 00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:38,542 we referred to it as "The Farm." 389 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,545 It had a lake on it. 390 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:43,880 As far as we can tell, 391 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,843 the police department have never given it a real good investigation. 392 00:23:48,343 --> 00:23:52,139 It's possible someone could have hidden human remains there. 393 00:23:53,598 --> 00:23:56,935 If we could get a diver in that lake, 394 00:23:57,018 --> 00:23:58,895 I think we could put her in jail. 395 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:07,821 'Sup, everyone? It's Ripper here. Behind me is the gator-infested lake 396 00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:11,658 where Don Lewis's remains could be. 397 00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:15,787 We have a couple divers on the boat now. 398 00:24:16,997 --> 00:24:19,237 Hey, there's something that's right under us now. 399 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,585 Yes, girl. Good girl. Good girl. 400 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:27,132 It's a weird shape. 401 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,510 We got divers in the water. 402 00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:33,138 There's two spots that have been marked. 403 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,184 And we have the forensics diver right here. 404 00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:44,608 It's pretty dirty in there. 405 00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:49,112 So they can't see anything. They're just feeling around the bottom. 406 00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:53,241 You're right in the right area. You'll have to check the whole area. 407 00:24:58,038 --> 00:24:59,831 Nothing. 408 00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:04,085 I got a clear bottom here. We're gonna pull the divers out. 409 00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:09,132 The problem is 410 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:13,053 if you don't collect that evidence at the time, then it gets lost forever. 411 00:25:13,595 --> 00:25:15,514 Every week you delay, 412 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:18,391 every month you delay, every year you delay, 413 00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:19,893 you lose something. 414 00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:25,732 To solve this case, someone needs to come forward. 415 00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:29,319 Of course, I'd love to talk to Kenny Farr. 416 00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:32,656 What was he doing that night Don went missing? 417 00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:41,748 I wasn't involved in Don Lewis's disappearance. 418 00:25:43,333 --> 00:25:45,710 Around 20 years ago, the police asked me 419 00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,630 if I would be acceptive to taking a polygraph, 420 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,508 and I said, "Absolutely." And I went down and took one. 421 00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:53,260 That was done for... 422 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,595 Ken Farr was out of the question at that point. 423 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,472 They wanted nothing more to do with me. 424 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:02,894 They asked him directly, "Did you kill Don Lewis?" 425 00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:05,939 And he denied it and passed the polygraph. 426 00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:09,609 But the thing they didn't ask him was about the guns. 427 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:11,194 I'm still curious about the guns. 428 00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:16,825 I mean, I just feel like there's more to the gun story than we know right now. 429 00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:22,747 Once Don disappeared, Kenny changed. He was not the same person, 430 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,166 and he just progressively got worse. 431 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,295 Kenny started getting very paranoid. 432 00:26:28,378 --> 00:26:32,549 He started putting cameras in our yard, put cameras in the house. 433 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,137 And that's when Kenny went crazy on my mom. 434 00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:40,348 He was beating up my mom and threatening to kill her, 435 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,768 and me and my sister ran next door 436 00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:46,104 and called the cops, and the cops came. 437 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,650 I seen the blue lights coming in the driveway, 438 00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:54,362 so he called me a nice name and left out the back door. 439 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,531 Should be considered armed and dangerous... 440 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,695 They couldn't find Kenny, but they took all the guns. 441 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,119 They said every gun was loaded that day too. 442 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:05,457 They brought in a couple different deputies that came in 443 00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:09,377 and they wrote down little tags and put on each gun as they carried them out. 444 00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,758 I took my kids and what we could fit in the car. 445 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,214 We left everything else behind. 446 00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:18,845 Hello? 447 00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:21,973 Trish, this is Donna Pettis. I'm in the car with Anne. 448 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,058 Oh, okay. 449 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:27,062 How do you think Kenny's gonna react when we show up unannounced? 450 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:30,106 I don't think that he'll be evil or anything. 451 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:31,775 He may say, "I don't want to talk." 452 00:27:31,858 --> 00:27:34,736 When was the last time you physically talked to him? 453 00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:39,741 In 2000, after I gave Hillsborough County the guns and I had left. 454 00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,495 Well, thank you, Trish. We'll make it over here. 455 00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:45,705 You guys let me know that everything's okay. 456 00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:48,667 We will. Thank you, Trish. Appreciate it so much. Okay. 457 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,877 All right. You guys be careful, please. 458 00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,882 Turn right onto Exit 98 now. 459 00:27:57,217 --> 00:27:59,302 - Is it right here? - Uh-huh. 460 00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:05,100 He's home. All right, pull in there. Let's get it over with. 461 00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,361 Yes? 462 00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:20,657 Hi, we're looking for Kenny. 463 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:21,825 I don't know. 464 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,619 Yeah, this is Anne. I'd like to speak to Kenny. 465 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,955 Uh, you are not allowed to come here. 466 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:31,543 Uh, if you continue with this, I'm going to call the police. 467 00:28:31,626 --> 00:28:33,503 Tell Kenny that I'm Don's daughter. 468 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:36,423 I don't care who you are. This is my property. 469 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:39,509 - You are not allowed to be in my property. - Please tell Kenny... 470 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:42,011 - I'm calling right now the police. - Okay. 471 00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:45,598 She's calling the police. She's calling. 472 00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:46,516 She's upset. 473 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,310 What do you and Anne want to do? What are you guys thinking? 474 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,994 I wrote Kenny a note and I said, 475 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,981 "I'm Don's daughter, Donna. Please call me." 476 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,692 That's actually not the cops... 477 00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:07,166 I don't think we should stay any longer. 478 00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:10,707 Good work, ladies. That was very brave. 479 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,793 Either that or very stupid. One of the two. 480 00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,924 Kenny must have been looking from upstairs. 481 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:23,136 You know, up... looking out the window right there. 482 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:28,183 Kenny Farr is part of this open investigation. 483 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,144 He wasn't willing to talk to us. 484 00:29:32,937 --> 00:29:35,273 And I've attempted to do an interview 485 00:29:35,356 --> 00:29:37,609 with Carole Baskins on two different occasions, 486 00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:40,069 and I was denied both times by her attorney. 487 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:43,907 She declined to take a polygraph as well. 488 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:50,789 Most missing persons cases or homicides, the spouse generally does talk to us, 489 00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:53,792 butit's been a different case than normal. 490 00:29:59,088 --> 00:30:01,591 She is the shocker of the season. 491 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:04,511 The Tiger Queen roaring to the ballroom. 492 00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:07,722 - Hey, Carole! - I'm running late. 493 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:11,142 Carole, it's fantastic to see you. I love your backpack! 494 00:30:11,226 --> 00:30:15,355 As many of you have heard, I am in Los Angeles, 495 00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:18,149 and I am on Dancing with the Stars. 496 00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:20,735 Oh, Dancing with the Stars? 497 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,738 They are literally using her for a clown. 498 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:27,826 Because they know that people are gonna watch her make an ass of herself. 499 00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:37,168 Dancing the pasodoble, it's Carole Baskin. 500 00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:51,766 I don't know why she's doing this. 501 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:55,895 I guess it's just she's trying to portray herself in a different light, 502 00:30:56,479 --> 00:31:01,651 but honestly, these are all things that are making her look worse. 503 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:09,117 All of the negative media attention that came out of Tiger King 504 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,244 was extremely difficult. 505 00:31:11,327 --> 00:31:15,290 I keep it inside and wait until everybody is gone 506 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,333 before I can break down, 507 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:20,295 and I don't know how to make it better. 508 00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:26,384 I would've loved for her to put the energy that she's putting into the show 509 00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:29,178 into helping find out what happened to Daddy. 510 00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:32,932 The conversation I had with the family was, 511 00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:36,519 "We can't let Carole dance with the stars 512 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,480 and take the message away from Don Lewis." 513 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,900 And we had a feeling that we could do a commercial 514 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:44,235 that would get enough attention. 515 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:50,825 I'm Gale. Don Lewis was our dad. 516 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,745 - Here it is. - I'm Linda. We miss our dad. 517 00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,497 I'm Donna. We need to know what happened to our father. 518 00:31:56,581 --> 00:32:00,293 I'm Anne. All we're asking is justice for Don. 519 00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:03,504 Don Lewis mysteriously disappeared in 1997. 520 00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:05,423 His family deserves justice. 521 00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:08,760 Do you know who did this or if Carole Baskin was involved? 522 00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:11,930 It was a first on Dancing With the Stars. 523 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:14,223 The bomb that dropped on Carole 524 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,185 from the family of her missing former husband. 525 00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:20,939 I was really surprised that they actually said Carole's name. 526 00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:22,607 Officially, she is not a suspect, 527 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:27,737 and so, on such a large platform, to say her name seems risky. 528 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:32,033 It was a publicity stunt for Don Lewis. It absolutely was. 529 00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:35,536 John likes to be in front of the camera. 530 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:39,499 He said he wanted to keep the pressure on, 531 00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:42,961 but we did a lot more media than we were comfortable with. 532 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,841 Instead of talking to his clients, 533 00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:51,636 I think he was more concerned with media coverage. 534 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:57,976 So we just felt like it was best that we find another counsel 535 00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:01,646 that was more in line with what we wanted. 536 00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:07,151 Not being able to finish what I started was disappointing. 537 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,988 I believe that there was enough there 538 00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:13,616 pointing at her involvement or knowledge about what happened 539 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,953 that we wanted to take her deposition. 540 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:21,666 But, unfortunately, sometimes clients have to learn the hard way 541 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,168 about what's in their best interest, 542 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:28,006 and they chose Ripper over me, in a way. 543 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,049 And it hurt. 544 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:34,595 We feel like Ripper's team may be able to get to this faster. 545 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:39,809 He's very devoted, just to the nth degree. 546 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:42,997 A lot of people want to actually talk to the family lawyer. 547 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,064 They want to talk to somebody real, 548 00:33:45,148 --> 00:33:48,651 not that sits in a gaming chair and makes YouTube videos. 549 00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:52,905 I'd like to say everything worked out for the best but I don't know that it will 550 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,824 because I don't trust him. 551 00:33:55,658 --> 00:33:57,869 My name is Jack Smith. 552 00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,747 Some of you all know me as Ripper. 553 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:04,042 This memorial has been in the making for almost 23 years. 554 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:07,295 I wish I could stand up here and tell you all what happened, 555 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,380 but I can't. 556 00:34:09,964 --> 00:34:11,340 It's a big mystery. 557 00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:15,762 We're at a point in the investigation where we're at a dead-end road. 558 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,931 Like, there's nothing else coming in, 559 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:22,143 and these daughters want answers so badly. 560 00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:26,022 I was doing research on psychic detectives, 561 00:34:26,105 --> 00:34:29,442 people who have the ability to work with police departments, 562 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:34,989 and I researched for several days and I finally found Troy Griffin. 563 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:36,991 Meet Troy Griffin. 564 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:42,955 Troy is a Christian, clairvoyant, empathic psychic medium, and psychic detective. 565 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,874 I'm a psychic investigator 566 00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:47,752 on unsolved cold case murders around the world. 567 00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:49,962 I'm natural. I've never trained for this. 568 00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:53,132 I fell into this by meeting someone in a gift shop 16 years ago. 569 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:56,636 But I have found where bodies are located. 570 00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:58,971 I have to see a picture of the victim 571 00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,309 because I do remote view as a psychic, where I connect through the victim's eyes, 572 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:07,188 and it's almost like they're showing me what happened to them. 573 00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,650 The Farm is even further east on the outskirts of town, 574 00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:12,610 on the far east side of the county. 575 00:35:12,693 --> 00:35:16,072 So what I like to do is I like to go to last known locations. 576 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:18,366 I let my intuition just show me the pictures, 577 00:35:18,449 --> 00:35:20,326 the things it wants to show me, 578 00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,662 and I just let my intuition guide me. 579 00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:25,540 There's some bad juju here. 580 00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:26,623 Okay. 581 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:29,794 I feel like I wanna puke. 582 00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:32,004 He feels like he's going to puke. 583 00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:35,133 Yeah, I feel like I could lose my cookies. 584 00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:39,303 He said this was Daddy's last location. 585 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,597 - Right here? - Somewhere right in here. 586 00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,975 And that's why he's so sick. 587 00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:47,019 He said he can tell me this was my dad's last location. 588 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:54,485 It's like I could see the movie of exactly what happened. 589 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,154 He was murdered there. 590 00:35:58,489 --> 00:35:59,657 From behind. 591 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:02,660 I'm sorry. 592 00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:14,046 You know, the one thing about this whole world, 593 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,550 whether it's Carole Baskin's world or Joe Exotic's world, 594 00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:21,804 is there's a lot of people around who wanted 15 minutes of fame. 595 00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:23,431 Mostly, it's helpful, 596 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:27,185 but sometimes it's drama that a family doesn't need. 597 00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:30,813 Did you guys notice I've been talking about chicken all day? 598 00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:33,274 Do you notice what's laying on the ground there? 599 00:36:33,357 --> 00:36:35,234 Back there? 600 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:38,487 Can you go back? Take a look by the porta potty. 601 00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:40,489 - Mmm-mmm. - Did you see it? 602 00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:42,825 No, I did not. Is there a chicken? 603 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:47,205 There's the container that you... It's a chicken. 604 00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:49,248 Okay. 605 00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:52,001 Yeah, when you guys go down there, you'll see the yellow... 606 00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:52,960 Okay. 607 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,324 ...by the outhouse there. 608 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:57,632 - Okay. It's a, it's a... - It's a chicken container. 609 00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:00,509 Okay. Okay. All right. I'm going to take a look at it. 610 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:04,701 I think the family should do 611 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,599 whatever the family thinks they need to do. 612 00:37:06,682 --> 00:37:08,976 They want some answers to what happened to their father, 613 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,020 and I completely sympathize with them. 614 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:14,732 But we will successfully complete this case. 615 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,902 I've probably got 300 cases under my belt. 616 00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:20,071 I've only lost two cases. 617 00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:22,907 I believe I can solve every case that's presented to me. 618 00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:27,370 It's been a difficult year 619 00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:29,705 because we've had to relive a lot of things, 620 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,209 and we're learning things that we knew nothing about. 621 00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:37,380 It's been very hard to take all this in. 622 00:37:38,381 --> 00:37:40,174 But it will be worth it. 623 00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:42,510 We are getting answers. We just... 624 00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:45,638 We're ready for it to be concluded. 625 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,060 Well, let's hope this is not closed as a cold case, huh? 626 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,815 We've got to get some truth and justice back into the system. 627 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,568 That's why I've reached out to John for help. 628 00:38:02,154 --> 00:38:04,115 I've got a lot of disappointment 629 00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:09,370 from me not being able to solve the death and/or disappearance of Don. 630 00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:15,251 But I got traded from Don Lewis's family to Joe Exotic. 631 00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:19,755 It's a lucky fishing hat. It's time to catch something. 632 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:23,175 Happening today, another twist in the Tiger King saga. 633 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,136 Local attorney John Phillips 634 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:28,055 is now representing the infamous Tiger King. 635 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:31,892 Now that's a fish! 636 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:34,854 I went to see Joe in prison. 637 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:37,815 He brought up the Dancing with the Stars commercial. 638 00:38:37,898 --> 00:38:38,898 He'd seen it. 639 00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:42,611 And he said, "The one criticism I have," and I've heard this since then, 640 00:38:42,695 --> 00:38:44,935 he's like, "You look like you're all being held hostage," 641 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:46,907 because we're just scrunched up. 642 00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:48,242 Do you know who did this? 643 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,786 That happened and then he hired me. 644 00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,082 I feel good! 645 00:38:55,666 --> 00:39:01,630 I hope John is what John says he is, but we'll see. 646 00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:05,384 Joe may be an imperfect individual, 647 00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:09,013 but there was a lot at play throughout his life. 648 00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:14,560 The question is, was he taken from this exercise of fantasy 649 00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:19,148 into really hiring somebody to kill Carole? 650 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:23,444 And would he have done that without a setup? 651 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:30,493 If there was a scheme by Jeff Lowe, James Garretson, Allen Glover 652 00:39:30,576 --> 00:39:33,996 to set up Joe, 653 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,956 it is in the interest of justice 654 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,459 that Joe gets a new trial, and a jury hears all of it. 655 00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:41,253 Anyone got a whip? 656 00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:42,880 Get back, you bitch! 657 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:51,055 Hey, one to Allen. I got someone I need you to take care of. Get up here. 658 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,143 Jeff was the number one motherfucker in this project. 659 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:01,107 Everybody else has changed their stories but me until this moment. 660 00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:06,362 I can't get through it until I get this off my chest. 661 00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:11,117 This ain't over yet. 662 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,161 "Cut her head off." 663 00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:16,789 That's what Joe Exotic allegedly demanded 664 00:40:16,872 --> 00:40:19,500 when he hired would-be hitman Allen Glover 665 00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:22,044 to kill animal activist Carole Baskin. 666 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:25,172 Did I go to Florida to kill her? No, I did not. 667 00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:29,510 I had no desire of killing that lady. None. Zero. 668 00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:36,142 Joe was fucking framed from start to fucking finish. 669 00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:42,398 Anything I could possibly do to help him get out, I would. 670 00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,489 Now I'm ready to take a break. 671 00:40:51,574 --> 00:40:53,868 - Okay. - Jesus fucking Christ. 57178

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