All language subtitles for Murder On A Sunday Morning-resync (1)

The suspect's going to be a skinny
black male, wearing dark shorts,

possibly using, like,
a small Derringer-type pistol.

Very, very tragic. Very tragic.

I'm Pat McGuinness.
I'll be 50 on Christmas Day.

And I defend people charged
with killing people.

James Stevens and his wife
were at their local Ramada Inn.

They went to a continental
breakfast.

As they left, they were walking
down a breezeway in that hotel,

and somebody shot
and killed Mr Stevens' wife.

At that same time, Brenton Butler
was at his home saying good morning,

taking care of his dog,

but those two events collided about
two-and-a-half hours later.

He was arrested by the police and
taken to be viewed by Mr Stevens,

and Mr Stevens identified him
as the man who shot his wife.

This entire case, everything
important took place in two hours,

between 7 and 9 on a Sunday morning.

And what the jury ultimately comes
to believe about those two hours

is going to determine
whether Brent goes to prison for life

or is returned to his family.

On the morning of 8th May, I first
read about the Brenton Butler case

in the paper.

The article said a 15-year-old black kid
had shot and murdered a white tourist,

and that he had confessed.

If true, that appeared to be
the end of the story.

My immediate reaction was
he had thrown his own life away,

as well as that of the tourist.

I had a chance later that morning to
meet Brenton Butler for the first time.

What he told me
about the case made sense.

What he told me about
how the detectives had treated him

made me angry,

and as I learned more,
I became increasingly angry.

The suspect's going to be a skinny
black male, wearing dark shorts,

unknown shirt, had on a hat.

Last seen on foot, running
southbound,

possibly using like a small
Derringer-type pistol.

And the latest update is a
black male with a fish-like hat on,

with a cloth build.

OK, Officer Martin,
I've asked you here today

because you've been listed by the State

as a potential witness in the cases
pending against Brenton Butler.

Specifically, Mr Butler's been
charged with responsibility

for the death of Mary Anne Stevens
on or about 7th May of 2000.

I'm Ann Finnell.

I'm an attorney with the
Public Defender's Office

in Jacksonville, Florida,

and I've worked here for almost 23
years.

The canine officer, we were
talking about how little we had,

just a black male in the area.

And I was actually facing north,
and he was facing south,

and he said, "Well, there's a young
black male right there,

"it could be him,
it could be anybody".

I said, "Well,
OK, I'll go talk to him," you know?

Being that we didn't have much
to go on, I said, "Well,

"I'll go round there and talk
to him".

So, I pulled out
and drove over to him.

I told him that we
had a murder up the street,

that the police were looking for
anybody that may be able to help us

solve it, or anybody who could
have seen anything.

I asked him if he lived in the area,
he said, yes, he lived nearby.

I said, "Well, would you mind
coming up here and talking

"to the detectives for a minute and
telling them if you'd seen anything".

He goes, "No, not at all".

When you get to the hotel,
where do you park?

I parked almost in that ditch,
somewhere along in here.

I was half hanging in and out of it.

I remember having to
jump across that ditch.

OK, so then what happens?

They went and talked amongst
themselves for a minute or two

and went and got the victim's
husband,

and he indicated that Brenton Butler
was the person who shot his wife.

So he's about 50 feet away
and he says, "That's the guy"?

Right. And we were all, well,
kind of taken aback.

So, we had him come over even closer
almost to the car at that time,

and he looked again and said,
"Yeah, that's the guy".

Officer Martin came in and candidly
admitted that the only reason

Brenton Butler was even
stopped that morning was

because he happened to be a black
male walking in the neighbourhood.

Now, think about that.

That means for every African-American
in Jacksonville, Florida,

if they happen to be
walking down the street,

lawfully going about their own
business, not doing anything wrong,

that they're subject to being stopped
and asked to get in a police car

and driven away from what they're
doing...

...and subject to being shown
to the victim of a crime,

with the possibility that that victim

would identify them under the most
suggestive of circumstances,

that being that they happen to be
sitting in the back seat of a police car.

And most victims would think

that they wouldn't be sitting in
the back seat of a police car

unless they'd done something wrong,
right?

So that's where we are today
in Jacksonville, Florida.

And I personally find that to be
disgusting and reprehensible.

OK, the case set for today

is the State of Florida
versus Brenton Leonard Butler.

Is the State now ready to proceed
with its opening statement?

- Yes, Your Honour.
- OK, Miss Stair, you may proceed.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
May it please the court? -Certainly.

On May 7th of this year,
the defendant, Brenton Butler,

approached Mary Anne
and James Stevens

at the Ramada Inn

and he demanded
Mrs Stevens' purse.

Before she had a chance to comply,

he raised a gun to her face
and fired,

hitting Mrs Stevens at the bridge
of her nose, killing her.

The evidence that you will hear

that proves the defendant is the
one who committed this crime

really comes down to two things.
First, Mr Stevens,

the only eyewitness
to the actual shooting,

positively identified the defendant
as the person

who did this to his wife

and he will come here in court

and he will positively identify
the defendant in court.

The second piece of evidence
is that the defendant

gave a statement to the police

on the afternoon of the shooting,

admitting to the shooting.

That's great.

- May it please the court?
- Sure.

Counsel for the State.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

The evidence in this case
will show you that Brenton Butler

did not commit this homicide
and, in fact, could not have killed

Mrs Stevens, the morning of May 7th.

At 12 noon, you will hear that
Detectives Williams and Darnell

began their questioning
of Brenton Butler.

They asked Brenton Butler
where he was Saturday night

and Sunday morning.
"On Sunday morning, I woke up,

"I took a shower, I brushed my teeth,

"I saw my mum and my little brother.

"I took care of my dog and,
a little after nine,

"I left to go to Blockbuster,
to fill out a job application".

And the detectives told him,

"You're lying!
We've got an eyewitness".

Detective Glover arrived
at the Homicide Office before 6:00pm

and he will tell you,

he will tell you, that he was told
that Brenton Butler

was ready to confess.
Ready to confess.

Here is a boy who has said
absolutely nothing but,

"It's not me, I didn't do this".

And at 5:56, you'll learn
that Detective Glover

entered the interview room alone
to talk to Brenton Butler.

And Detective Glover said,
"You're not innocent.

"You're not innocent.
We've got an eyewitness.

"It's niggers like you
that make me mad these days".

And Detective Glover said,
"You know, if I had done this,

"I'd have thrown that purse
and gun in the woods.

"Isn't that what you did?

"Didn't you throw that gun
and that purse in the woods?"

And Detective Glover
takes Brenton Butler, alone,

hanging on to Brenton Butler's
belly belt, as Brenton is handcuffed,

into the woods, deep into the woods.

And in the middle of the woods,
in that semi-darkness

right before it gets totally dark,
ladies and gentlemen,

Detective Glover
hit him in the stomach,

not once, but twice,
and hit him in his face.

- Could you state your name, please?
- James Marion Stevens.

Now, the Stevens were in 142.
That's on this side, right here.

OK, so, 142.

Now, this is where they turned.

It's about 7:30 in the morning.
They've got muffins, coffee, paper.

They're talking to each other
as they walk.

After you finished breakfast,
did you see anyone

on the way back to
your room? -Yes, ma'am.

I saw a black gentleman walking
down the sidewalk ahead of me,

maybe 100 to 150 feet.

He had on short pants
that went right below the knees

and a dark shirt.

Plus, he was wearing a hat
with a narrow brim.

We were proceeding down, talking.

All this sudden, there was somebody

in my wife's face and my face
and said, "Give me your pocketbook".

She first said, "Oh!", like that,
and she started to drop

the pocketbook off her shoulder
and her arm to give it to him.

So they looked up
and then turned and wheeled.

He thought the man right handed,
which makes sense,

because the bullet entered here.

So... turn with your right hand.
OK, all right. Turn.

The gun is less than 18 inches
from her face.

He says, "Give me the purse,"
or, "Give me the wallet".

There's some conflict about that.

She starts to take the purse off.
Before she can do it, he fires.

She's falling back.
-How close was he to you?

Two and a half, three feet.

What part of his body
were you looking at?

I was looking at his face.

But you indicated
you also saw his gun.

Yes, after he told her
to give him her pocketbook,

he raised the pistol and shot her,
right in here.

And you're indicating
over your nose area.

Well, it's in the bridge,
right there. -OK.

You're indicating

on the right side, the bridge of
the nose, is that correct? -Yes. -OK.

Now... -Horseshi...
No, not the right side.

I'm showing you the wrong side.
It was on this side.

OK. But you're indicating
the bridge area.

The bridge area, yes. -OK.
Now, the person that did this

on May 7th, that confronted you
and your wife and shot your wife,

do you see this person
in the courtroom today? -Yes, ma'am.

Could you identify where he
is sitting and what he's wearing?

He's sitting right below Miss Nell,
there. He has a red shirt on.

I can't see his pants down below
the table. And he has on glasses.

Your Honour, if the record
could reflect that the witness

has identified the defendant.

JUDGE: It shall reflect that.

Is there any doubt in your mind
that this is the person

that you saw in front of you
on May 7th

pull a gun and shoot your wife?

There's no doubt, in my mind.

She fell almost exactly here.

Now, this is, what?
47 feet to here?

Apparently, by the time
they made it from there to here,

Mr Stevens believes

the man had made it back
100 feet or so.

Start walking towards me
from that point.

That's 150.

OK, stop.

So, he's got to make it
from there to here in the time

they make it to here...

...if that's the guy.

All of a sudden, the man
was right in front of you? -Correct.

- Two and a half feet away?
- Two and a half to three feet.

- No warning?
- No warning.

And by that, I mean,
you didn't hear the sound of feet

running down that concrete sidewalk?
-No, I did not.

You didn't hear the sound of feet
running on the grass

next to the concrete sidewalk?
-No, I did not.

You didn't perceive any quick
movement in front of your eyes?

Not till he was there.

And you saw the gun?

Yes, I did. It was raised.

- A Derringer-type gun?
- Correct.

Over-under barrel?

Yes, stack barrel
or stack... whatever they call them.

Mr Stevens, from the time the man
appeared suddenly in front of

you and your wife, to the time
he grabbed the pocketbook and ran -

four to five seconds?

Yes, in the neighbourhood
of four to five.

That's what's in the deposition.
-Four to five seconds. -Yes.

1,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, 1,005.

Approximately that, yes.
-That's all the time. -That's correct.

Now... the shirt that the man had on.

You did not see a logo on the shirt,
did you, sir? -No, ma'am.

We're going to look
at the physical evidence,

which will consist
of what they took off our client -

his clothes, his shoes,
his underwear -

not that that's any major concern.

The items collected
at the crime scene -

his glasses, fragments, a comb.

This is submission number one,
submission number two.

Mr Stevens,
let me show you a photograph

that has been marked,
"Defendant's Exhibit D".

Yes, ma'am.

You don't recognise that,
do you, sir?

I'll tell you where it was at,
but I did not look at it.

But I told you that shirt
was a dark shirt that he had on,

and that's the way I identified it.

- Mr Stevens...
- That was on the front of his shirt.

You're saying that this was...

What was on the front of his shirt,
Mr Stevens?

A logo,
but I told you there was a logo.

Mr Stevens, are you saying today
that there was a logo

on the front of the shirt
worn by the assailant?

I told you, it was on his back.

My question today is,

are you saying today
that there was a logo

on the shirt worn by the assailant?

No, not the original assailant.

Of the original assailant,

there was not a logo
on the front of his shirt.

I believe that, later,

I told you
when we were taking the deposition,

that I saw a logo
on this individual,

and it was on his back, because
I remembered it when he was turning.

- All right, sir.
- There's not any variation of it,

but he had time after an hour,
two hours, to change clothes.

So, there was no logo on the shirt
you saw worn by the assailant,

is that correct? -At first.

No, sir, not at first.

I didn't want to be terribly hard
on the man, because, frankly,

I think the jury feels like
he's been through enough,

but at the same time, there were
certain points that I had to establish.

I wanted to do that in a nice way
and it would have been nicer

if he hadn't thrown
that shirt logo on me.

It kind of surprised me,
when, all of a sudden,

he started talking about
having seen a shirt logo.

But I think we got out what we needed
to get out from Mr Stevens.

Isn't a true, sir, that you do not
recall giving a description

of the assailant
to a uniformed patrol officer,

who arrived shortly after
the incident?

I did not testify to that
in the deposition, no.

- And isn't it true...
- I told you... Excuse me.

Isn't it true, sir, that you do not
recall telling that first officer

who talked to you that the assailant
was a black man with skinny build,

wearing dark shorts, an unknown
colour shirt and a hat

and carrying
a Derringer-style pistol?

I can't remember what I told him,

because I don't remember
talking to him.

This trip to the Butlers
is just to clear up

some final questions I have
about aspects of their testimony.

This store over here is probably
the only place between the motel

and Brent's house,
on the way to Blockbusters.

As far as I know, the police
have never yet checked it.

The police sent dive teams
on a couple of occasions...

to check out that pond.
Of course, there was no gun.

But they never bothered to knock on
a single neighbour's door,

to see if anybody had seen him
leaving the house

between seven and eight
in the morning.

There are so many things
they haven't checked in this case.

The Sunday morning that your brother
got arrested... -Yes, sir.

Do you know about what time
you got up that morning?

- Around 7:30.
- OK.

Now, as I understand it,
when you woke up,

you heard music from Brent's room,
is that right? -Yes, sir.

Did you see him
come out of his room dressed? -Yes.

I think you said he had a navy blue and
lilac shirt and dark blue polo shorts.

What's lilac? -I didn't say that.
I did not say that. -OK, well...

- I said a navy blue Nautica shirt.
- Nautica.

OK.

And when you woke up, Melissa
was already out getting the coffee

and so on? -Right.

- You had your coffee in your room?
- Yes.

You guys talk for a while? -Yes.

Do you recall
what you chatted about?

If you don't, that's fine,
but if you do...

Not anything very significant.

You didn't see Brent? -I didn't, no.

- Did you hear him?
- I didn't hear him.

I heard music and bumping

coming from the room.

OK.

So, it's almost seven by the time
you even check on the boys?

Right, right.

You go out and do your devotional,

spend maybe 20 minutes out there?
-Correct.

Come back here.
Now, he hasn't showered yet.

- He's just still at the sink.
- Still in his boxers,

because I remember
he had on plaid boxers.

- So, it's maybe around 7:20, then?
- Yeah, could have been, yeah.

All right.

There was nothing unusual
about his demeanour that day?

He wasn't sweaty or excited or
puffing or anything like that? -No.

Just the same old Brent. Quiet.

You frequently go into his room
to clean it and so on?

- You've never seen a gun in there?
- No.

You've never seen
ammunition in there? -No.

- Never seen a fisherman-type hat?
- No.

The only hats that you know he's got
are these two and the skullcap? -Yes.

And I talked some about
the order of witnesses yesterday.

We may end with y'all, with
Melissa being the last witness...

...for a variety of reasons.
I think you guys tell a strong,

consistent story about where
your son was at the time.

And of the four of you - no offence,
Andre - I think she's cuter

than you are
and makes a better witness.

[SHE LAUGHS]

All right?

And I think a jury hearing
a momma talk about her boy

and since she actually saw him,
like, four separate times,

she's kind of a critical witness.

Anyway, that's all the news
that fits the print tonight.

We pray and thank you for giving the
defence attorney wisdom from on high.

But then you are the great attorney.

We trust in your holy name.

Bless this family. Amen.
ALL: Amen.

- Could you state your name, please?
- James H. Williams.

- And where are you employed?
- Jackson's Sheriff's Office.

Within homicide, are you assigned
to any particular group?

Yes, ma'am.
I'm assigned Homicide Team Three.

And who else is in Team Three?

Our sergeant is Sergeant Joiner.
My partner is Detective Darnell.

Detective Beakowski
and Detective Eason.

Going back to May 7th of this year,

were you actually there when
Mr Stevens was first brought out?

I was standing at the car, on Richard
Street, with Officer Martin and Brenton.

OK. And tell us about that.

Mr Stevens walked up, looked at him

and said, "That's him".
But he said, "I want a closer look".

Mr Stevens asked if he could look
closer, which I allowed him to do.

I actually opened up the passenger
side door of the police car,

and Mr Stevens sat down in the car
and he looked at Brenton and said,

"That's him". I asked him, I said,

"Are you absolutely positive that
this is the person that shot your wife?"

And his statement was, "I wouldn't
send an innocent man to jail".

You were the lead detective in
the case? -Yes, sir, that's correct.

So the overall responsibility for
the investigation would fall to you,

is that right? -Yes, sir, it should.

How many witnesses did you interview
yourself in this investigation?

I spoke to a Cater Donaldson
for a few minutes.

Did you do
a thorough interview of her?

No, sir, she was too emotional
to talk to at the time.

Did you do a thorough interview
of Mr Stevens?

- No, sir, I did not.
- OK.

Who did you do thorough interviews
of? -Brenton Butler. -OK.

Anybody else?

No, sir.

So, you have
this young fellow in there.

He was put in a locked room,
right? -Yes, sir. -OK.

- Sound-resistant locked room, right?
- Yes, sir.

[FRIENDLY CHATTER]

Is it OK to take
a photograph of the room?

- There's nobody in there, is there?
- No.

He's a serious guy. He actually
married a friend of mine. -Really?

Let's see...

Just measuring it.

It's about ten by ten.

So you have this young fellow
in there

and you're asking him questions,
and he's telling you,

"I was home and I had yoghurt
and did these things", right?

Yes, sir.

Wouldn't it be relatively simple

to go out and ask his parents,
was he home?

Yes, sir. -Did you do that?
-No, I didn't.

Well, you do a thorough, competent,
meticulous investigation, right?

Objection, Your Honour.
That's argumentative

and absolutely has no relevance.

Overruled. You can have some
leeway. -Is that right, sir?

I try to, yes, sir.

Wouldn't it be thorough and competent
and meticulous

to just drive out there and pick up
the phone and say,

"Can you tell me what your son's
activities were today?

"If you saw him, when you saw him.
What was he wearing?"

Could you have done that? -Yes, sir,
I could have. -Why didn't you?

Well, I was in the process of
interviewing him. I had positive ID.

And I had parents that told two
detectives that were on my team

that they had seen their son a few...
30 minutes prior to them arriving.

He had, he was in our custody at
that time. And the parents...

Wait here. I'm sorry.

JUDGE: Let him go ahead.

And the parents had also said it
wasn't unusual for Brenton to leave

early in the morning
without them seeing him.

You knew he didn't have a gun.

You knew he didn't have a purse.

You knew he didn't have any money.

You knew he had a fisherman's hat,
right?

That's all correct. -OK.

Did you ask Brent, "Can I go search
your house, your room"?

No sir, I did not. -Did you get
a search warrant for his house?

No, sir, I did not.

You wanted to find a gun and a purse
and bloody clothes

and everything else, right?

Yes, sir, that would have been nice.

So why not get a search warrant?

Well, we just said
we can get a search warrant. -OK.

Did you go out and knock on
any of the neighbours' doors and say,

"Excuse me, did you see

"Brenton Butler outside of his house
between seven and eight this morning,

or six and eight?"

No, sir, I did not. -OK.

You didn't do that, May 7? -No, sir.

Do you consider that thorough
and competent?

Perhaps I should have done, sir.

If you don't have it organised
and you can't immediately,

what I call, discipline witness
by punishing him

or embarrassing him when he lies,

then they feel free to lie
or to change the story.

If, on the other hand, he knows that
every time he lies to me,

I can turn and go, "On June 29,
you were under oath".

"At that time, you were asked these
questions and gave these answers,

"is that right?"

"You knew what the truth was,"
and so on.

That has, erm,

a chastening effect on the
witness. It's like, erm,

if a dog wets your carpet, you don't
discipline him,

he'll continue to wet your carpet.

If a witness lies to you and you
don't discipline him or embarrass him,

they'll continue to.

If you smack the dog on the nose
with a newspaper,

pretty soon it won't wet your carpet.

The same is true with witnesses.

Did you tell Brenton Butler

that you had sent policemen out
to his house,

and his parents had been told
where he was?

Yes, sir. As I say,

the detectives went out to his house
and spoke with his parents.

Well, "spoke" and "tell" are
different words. Do you recall which?

No, sir, I don't recall which one
was said. -Did you tell him

his parents have been told
he was down there?

I told him his parents were...

detectives had been out
to his house.

And that... the parents, the
detectives had been at his house.

I don't know what was said,

I don't remember exactly
what was said.

Detectives had been out to his house,
that's one thing I remember saying.

As far as... how he took it,

whether they were informed he was
there or not, I don't know.

He asked, "Have my parents come down
yet?" I said, "No, they haven't.

"But the detectives have been out
to your house".

On September 27,
when you are under oath,

knowing the matters you were being
questioned about well in advance

and giving the answer that you did,

you were certainly trying to tell the
truth at that time, right? -Yes, sir.

And since then,

you just don't recollect,
or did you forget, or what happened?

No, sir, I just, I don't remember

exactly how that part of the
conversation with Brenton went.

That's what I said.

So that part of the whole truth is
lost to us, right?

No, sir. I... I...

Do you know how we can establish it?

No, sir. -Then it's lost, isn't it?
-If you think so, sir.

Did you tell him that you would
arrange for an attorney for him?

I said we could see if we could make
arrangements for that.

OK. Did you tell him that you would
arrange an attorney for him?

I said we could make
arrangements for that. -OK.

Did you make the first arrangement?

- No, sir, I did not.
- Did you pick up the phone?

No, sir.

You just told the young man...

at noon, he had a right
to an attorney, right?

Yes, sir. -And then you told him
you had arranged for one, right?

Yes, sir. -But you didn't?
-That's correct.

You didn't take the first step
on making good on that promise?

I didn't promise, sir, I just made
a statement to him.

And, no, I did not make
a phone call. -OK.

When you say, "We'll arrange an
attorney for you," that's not a promise?

I don't make promises to individuals
I'm interviewing.

I'm not sure I follow. If you make... if
you say you're going to do something...

Yes, sir, but it wasn't said, it wasn't

brought across as something
I promise you I'll do.

It wasn't said, "I promise you
I will go do something".

So, you only do it if you promise?

No, sir. You said, you brought the
word up, "promise".

- Well, you didn't do it, right?
- That's correct, sir.

Would you have done it
if you'd said, "I promise"?

Well, I would have decided,
when it got to that point.

You knew less than 100 yards
from where you sat,

there was a court room in operation
with a public defender, right?

Er, I'm, I'm not sure of the distance,
but, sure, there was a public trial,

court room, attorneys were there,
by the jail.

In retrospect, do you think perhaps

you could have been more thorough and
more competent in the investigation?

Perhaps, sir, it's always
good to self-judge yourself,

to make sure you do a better job
next time.

Thank you, sir.

I'm going to turn your attention
to May 8th of this year.

Did you find a purse during your
morning walk? -Yes, ma'am, I did.

And where did you find this purse?

In the dumpster at 63rd Main
at All Star.

6:30 the next morning,

Mr Stevens, who collects cans
for part of his living,

was travelling up this street.

He found the purse in a dumpster
outside an alternator shop,

walked across the street
and called the police.

He found the woman's wallet
and identification in it.

He didn't know for sure whether
there was money in there or not,

but he didn't check thoroughly.

It turned out there was close
to $1,200 in the purse.

They dump their trash,
some of them, on the corner up here.

And that dumpster there
is where the purse was found.

To put trash in...

...when it's empty, you'd have to lift
those flaps and touch it...

...and probably leave fingerprints.

But the police never brought
an evidence technician out here

to check for fingerprints on it.

Between here and the Ramada Inn,

there's probably 1,000 dumpsters,

so I think there has to be some reason
this one in particular was chosen.

There's a fair amount of drug-dealing
and so on in this area.

It's racially mixed

and there's a kind of a rough crowd
living right behind this building.

To get... here in the Ramada Inn,

it's about a nine and a half-mile
drive.

It's probably, without traffic,

about a 20-minute drive.

For a 15-year-old boy walking,
round trip, it'd be quite some trek.

Mr Stevens!

OK, the pocket... It was white,
it had some blood on it.

Did you notice the blood?
-No, sir. -OK.

Did you look to see whose it was
at all? -I opened it up.

I took the wallet out.

Now, they didn't give the woman's
name that was killed on television.

I found the pocketbook.
All of her IDs was in it,

her credit cards and everything else.

How are you doing, ma'am? -Fine.

My name's Pat McGuinness, I'm
with the Public Defender's Office.

You called the officer, he met you
over there, you gave him the purse.

Then I left. -Then you continued
your route. -Right.

When the police officer came back,
the same one I gave the pocketbook to.

Uniformed officer? -Yes, sir. -OK.
-He said, "Do you have a few minutes?"

I said, "Yeah". He says,
"Somebody wants to talk to you".

That's when the detective pulled up
and said, "Boy, where's the gun?"

- He called you "boy"?
- He accused me of taking the gun.

And did he call you "boy"?

I think if I recall correct, yes.
If I recall correctly.

Did you get the... -No, sir.

...strong impression that he thought
you'd took that gun? -Yeah.

Was his manner,
the way he was dealing with you,

was it kind of accusatory?

He accused me of taking it. I said,
"If you want to search me, search me.

"You can also search my buggy,"
cos that bag was on the back of it.

I had three bags of cans hanging.

"If you want to search it, search it,
but I've got no gun".

- There was no gun in the pocketbook.
- What did he say?

He look dumbfound. The police officer
says I could leave, so I left.

I appreciate you taking the time
to speak with me. -You're welcome.

And, like I said,
any stuff I've found in the past,

this is the first time
I've ever had to go to court.

Well, hopefully it'll be the last time,
but I appreciate you taking the time...

But now how the pocketbook got
from Southside...

to the Northside,

only God knows that answer, cos
I damn sure don't know it. -Nor me.

How are you doing, sir? -Fine,
Mr McGuinness. And you? -Pretty good.

When the detective came to see you,
what did he have to say to you?

He got out of the car and he says,
"Where's the gun, boy?"

"What gun?"

"The gun that's in the pocketbook".

"I saw no gun in the pocketbook".

"Now, if you want to search me,
do so.

"If you want to search my buggy,
please do so,

"but you're going to find no gun,
cos I saw no gun".

Was your impression he was accusing
you of stealing the gun? -Yes, sir.

How you doing?

Oakland, the Raiders,
they're playing good ball this year.

They're a seven and one.
The Chiefs is five and three.

And the Broncos, four and four.

[INAUDIBLE]

No, not at all.
But I just want you to...

Everything went well today,
as far as your preparation.

We're just happy
with what we have at this point.

We have more than ample information

and documentation

to put before the judge

to let him know that, actually,

a lot of things
really wasn't done properly.

Your granddaddy called me today
and sung Happy Birthday to me.

He said you got a big birthday
present coming,

so I don't know what it is.

I don't know what it is.

So, how... Let me see what
I was going to ask you about.

You're the birthday present. -Yeah.
-You're the birthday present.

That's what I said to myself.

I said, "Shoot, the biggest birthday
present I can get is Brent

"and that would be
the best birthday present".

So let me let your daddy pray
with you before we go, OK?

And I love you sweetheart, OK?

- OK, son...
- Let's pray.

Dear Heavenly Father,
we come before you this evening

and, as usual,

we know that actually you are
in control, dear Heavenly Father.

Dear Heavenly Father,
we ask you to be in that courtroom

for us tomorrow,
dear Heavenly Father.

We ask that you give Mr McGuinness
all the tools that is needed,

and his staff, to really work on our
son's behalf, dear Heavenly Father.

Dear Heavenly Father, we ask you to
touch the judge, dear Heavenly Father.

We ask you to really touch his mind

for he can make just rulings
in our favour, dear Heavenly Father.

Dear Heavenly Father, we love you,
we honour and we adore you,

dear Heavenly Father.

We're going to give you the praise
all of our days. Amen. -Amen.

They questioned Brent off and on
over a period of 12 hours

and they brought in a fellow
I regard as a specialist

in obtaining confessions.

And he didn't succeed,
and it frustrated him.

They took a 15-year-old boy
out to the woods,

and the others left them alone
and gave them their privacy,

so they'd have
plausible deniability.

They left him with this specialist,

and that man punched him
in the stomach twice

and punched him in the face.

They beat a 15-year-old boy
because he said he was innocent.

- That's a Miller?
- Yeah.

Now, he looked worse than this
when I saw him.

Yeah, he looked much worse than that
when I took the pictures.

This one is good, but it still
doesn't show him the way I saw him.

No, I saw him
the same day you saw him,

and right in here
was just swollen, awful.

Usually I wait to the end
of the interview,

on the interview seat,
to do the photos.

We stopped as soon as he came in
to take them,

cos it was so apparent right in here.

You can see the glare a little bit
better as far as the leverage.

Can Andrew do anything
to enhance the resolution?

As far as it being
on an African-American,

the skin tone's a lot different.

But we're going to need
to explain to a jury

this doesn't accurately
show the way he looked.

This one's pretty good.

I contacted the State Attorney,

which is something I generally
don't do that early in a case,

and I gave the State my photographs

and I told him what I believed
we could prove,

and it didn't matter because
they were politically in a position

where they felt
they had to prosecute

to defend the honour
of these detectives.

And everything
that has happened since then...

...I believe, has been an effort

to defend the honour
of these detectives,

who I do not find to be
honourable men.

- Could you state your name, please?
- Michael Glover.

- Where are you employed?
- The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

In what capacity? -I'm assigned
to the Homicide Division.

How long have you been with
the Homicide Division? -Five years.

How long have you been with
the Sheriff's Office? -11 years.

Where did you first meet Mr Butler?

In the Homicide Office,
in one of our interview rooms.

What happened when you first
went into the interview room?

When I first walked in,
I saw the defendant,

and the defendant looked at me and
he made a comment that indicated,

"Boy, am I glad to see you".

Did you then have a conversation
with him? -Yes, ma'am, I did.

I asked him, "Was it an accident?"

And it was at that point
he nodded his head and said, "Yes,"

and said,
"I didn't mean to shoot the victim".

He began to hug me and cried, and I
hugged him back, and he indicated...

he said that the victim
had given him a mean look.

It was at that point

I got close to his ear and I said,

"Why did you shoot the lady?"

And at that point, he said

he didn't mean to hurt anybody,
he just needed her purse.

It was after that
he immediately made a statement

saying that he had the gun
down by his side

and he raised the gun
up toward her face and it fired.

He said after that
he threw the weapon somewhere,

but he didn't remember
where he threw the weapon.

What happened then?

At that part of the interview
I asked him to tell me again

what happened with the weapon,

and this time, I wanted you
to be truthful about it.

And it was at that point

he stated that he put the weapon

on the back of an 18-wheeler truck.

I told him, you've been truthful

and you've been communicating
with me and co-operating with me,

and I was explaining to him
how I appreciated that,

but I told him that I didn't believe
that he actually placed the weapon

in the purse on the back
of an 18-wheeler truck.

And I asked him again. "Tell me,
where did you put the weapon?"

And it was at that point he stated

that he threw the weapon
in the woods near the scene.

Yes, he is a black man.

His father also is the sheriff,

so it's just like...

...whatever Glover says,

a lot of people believe it's
credible evidence, you know?

And he had been involved
in so many different things.

I'm angry due to the fact when
he said that when Brent saw him,

he just hugged him and said,
"I'm so glad to see you".

And I know Brent better than that,
because...

you really have to approach him,
go up and talk with him.

And he's not the type of person
that will run up and hug you.

You all probably have seen
that in the courtroom, you know,

he kind of stays to himself, so it's
like, what Glover is saying...

Like I said, I don't believe it.

PROSECUTOR: During that time period
when you were in the woods

with the defendant,

other than holding the belt,
did you touch him in any way?

No, ma'am. -Did you hit him?
-No, ma'am.

Did you raise your voice? -No, ma'am.
-Did you make any threats? -No, ma'am.

- Did you threaten his family?
- No, ma'am.

And then also the interview
you'd already had with him,

did you ever threaten him
or his family?

No, ma'am, I didn't.

Mr Glover, how are you? -Yes, sir.

- Are you related to Nat Glover?
- Yes, sir.

- He is the sheriff?
- Yes, sir.

When did he become sheriff?

Um, four years ago.
-July 1, 1995? -Yes, sir.

Was it '95 when you became
a homicide detective? -Yes, sir.

They were stuck with a problem.

You got two lieutenants,
two sergeants,

you got the media camped out,
with trucks there already.

You got a white tourist
in Florida at a motel, killed.

But they're not getting
anywhere on the confession,

so they think, "OK, we'll
pull in an African-American

"to see if he can establish some
rapport with the child".

Glover said - and I find this
incredible - that the police,

that Williams and Darnell,

told him that they thought
the child was ready to confess.

Those were the words he used,
if I remember.

So he goes in with this
state of mind that, hey,

this kid is ready to confess.

The first hostility comes
about this when he says,

"I did some bad things in my life,"

and the kid says, "I've never
had any dealings with the police,"

and Glover gets upset.

He says, "You're lying. It's
niggers like you that make me mad".

You were there to get a confession,
we have established that, right?

Yes, sir. -And you didn't know
whether he was innocent or guilty.

No, sir. Not at that point. -You told
Brenton Butler to be truthful, right?

Yes, sir.

But you had a very particular idea
of the truth you wanted, right?

Yes, sir.

You wanted him to say
something different than what

he'd been telling other detectives
since 10 o'clock that morning. Right?

No, sir. If he was involved,
then, yes, I wanted the truth.

You set yourself right up in his
face, knee to knee, right? -Yes, sir.

And they teach you that in those
interrogation schools? -Yes, sir.

You've been to five of those,
right? -Yes, sir.

And they tell you to get some
physical contact

with the subject of the interview,
don't they?

What do you mean when you say
physical contact? -Touching people.

Yes, sir. Some of the techniques
we use involve touching people. -OK.

- And you grabbed his hand, didn't you?
- I held his hand.

I never referred to Glover
as "Detective Glover".

He didn't do any detective
work in this case.

And it bothers the witness
when he's not called by the title

he thinks he should have.

And my purpose when I'm trying to
show someone is lying is to make them

uncomfortable, to make them offguard.

Sometimes, I like it
when they fight me,

because when they do,
I believe I'm going to win.

How tall are you, sir? -5'11.
-What do you weigh? -240 pounds.

You played high school ball, college
ball? -Yes, sir. -Played line man?

Yes, sir. -As a line man,
you hit people? -Yes, sir.

You were on scholarship? -Yes, sir.
-You hit people well? -Yes, sir.

- And you hit them hard, right?
- Yes, sir.

And do you think a 240-pound man
considerably his senior

grabbing his hand was going to make
Mr Butler more comfortable

and more willing to chat with you?

Yes, sir.

Is that generally
the response you get

when you go around grabbing guys'
hands? -I don't go grabbing guys' hands.

I made that procedure
from the comment he made to me

when I first entered the room.

Well, did you ask Mr Butler, "Friend,

"little buddy," - you are holding his
hand - "where did you get the gun"?

No, sir.

Did you ask him who might have ever
seen him with this gun? -No, sir.

Did you ask him where he got
ammunition for this gun? -No, sir.

- Did you ask him where he stored it?
- No, sir.

Did you ask him how or where
he carried it to or from the scene?

No, sir. -You just weren't curious at
that time? -Not at that time, no, sir.

Gotten curious since?

Yes, sir.

- Done any more investigating?
- No, sir, it's not my case.

"Not my responsibility"?
-No, sir. -Yeah.

Well, weren't you a little bit
interested in the murder weapon?

Recovering it? Yes, sir.

Didn't you even want to know
what type it might have been?

No, sir, not at that time.

Why would three detectives
take Brent into the woods?

I don't think they would
take him out to the woods

solely for the purpose
of roughing him up.

I just don't believe that. -Because
Glover suggested it, that's why.

But Williams, who is the lead
detective, presumably would know

that those woods had been searched
already by patrol officers and dogs.

Williams doesn't know
jack about his own case.

They would have to have a good
faith basis to believe perhaps

the gun and purse were in the woods,
don't you think?

I think they think, "Well,
we haven't broken the kid.

"We know he got picked up
around here,

"there's a good chance
he dumped the gun.

"Let's go see if we can find it,
and, if we can,

"we'll confront him with it,
and maybe get a confession".

If I am understanding you correctly,

you're telling us you're having this
conversation with Brenton Butler,

and he says he threw the gun
in the woods, right?

That is correct.

Did he say where he was when
he threw this gun into the woods?

On the roadway.

So it would be within an
arm's throw of the roadway, right?

I would still be guessing,
but, yes, sir.

Well, you didn't say he kicked it,
right? -No, sir.

You didn't say the gun had wings or
anything like that, right? -No, sir.

So you think an arm's throw was a
fair inference from what you remember?

It depends on how hard he threw it.

Joiner and Darnell supposedly parked
on the far side of Cagle.

According to... Williams, they spent
like an hour in these woods.

According to Darnell,
it was 15 minutes.

And just walking through these woods,
with all the vines,

in handcuffs, at dusk, with only the
good detective Glover to help you

would be a scary proposition.

If it is dusk
and Glover is hitting Brent,

there is no way they're going to be
able to see it from out there.

How long during your
walk in the woods

were you out of sight of Detectives
Darnell, Williams and Sergeant Joiner?

Maybe 30 minutes.

Do you know why everybody left you?

They were searching the immediate
area where he originally showed.

But you had the guy who was supposed
to know where the gun was, right?

Yes, sir.

And on your trip to the woods,

he had himself trussed up like a
Christmas turkey, arms in front,

tied to his belt,

and you had a little strap in
the back? -Yes, sir, he was cuffed.

OK.

And he really was not in a position
to defend himself at all should

he be attacked by anybody, right?

I wouldn't let anybody attack him.

- Are you right-handed or left-handed?
- Right-handed.

So if you're facing somebody,
you pop them,

do you more often hit
with the right or left side?

Objection, Your Honour.

JUDGE: Yes, sustained.
Reform the question.

Now, you had gone out there, you
say, expecting to find a gun, right?

Yes, sir. -Must've been kind of
disappointing when you didn't.

Was it? -Yes, sir. -You a little
annoyed about it? -No, sir.

Did you happen to punch Brenton
Butler twice in the gut? -No, sir.

- How about once in the left eye?
- No, sir.

And, if you did, that would be

a violation of department
regulations, right?

That's correct.

And that could result in
suspension or dismissal.

And if you had done that, would you
tell us the truth about it, sir?

Yes, sir.

Is that not your custom, to tell
the truth in situations such as that?

- Objection, Your Honour.
- Sustained.

And how did that appear to you
as you viewed it?

It was a large welt,
like he had been hit.

PROSECUTOR: Your Honour,

I am going to object to any
conclusions by this witness.

JUDGE: Overruled. -And does it
show up on the defendant's form?

That's just a different view.

With a swelling,
I take it from different angles,

so you can see it,

rather than a bruising
that you can take straight on.

So it was right in that
area right there.

There is a bruising right in here.

Where would that be
on your body, Miss Smith?

Right in the middle
of my chest area.

This time, we call Brenton Butler.

Juveniles are not very
easy to work with.

They have a lack of sophistication,
oftentimes limited vocabulary,

difficulty sometimes
expressing themselves.

They are not as focused on things,

they have a tendency to be
distracted.

How I worked with Mr Butler
was to take the interview

that had been done of him and the
affidavit that he had executed

for his bond hearing,
and break it down into small pieces.

When you got down to the police
station, were you put into a room?

- Yes, ma'am.
- And who came in?

Detective Darnell
and Detective Williams.

Was the next person you met
Detective Glover?

Correct. -Now, Brent, had you ever
seen that man before? -No, ma'am.

When he walked in, did you say,
"Boy, am I glad to see you"?

No, ma'am.

What did he start talking
to you about?

He started talking about sports.

Is he being friendly, is
he being nice, or is he being mean?

At that point, he's being nice.

Did there come a time when he became
not so nice to you? -Yes, ma'am.

Did he use any racial comment
towards you? -Yes, ma'am.

What did he tell you?

He said, "It's niggers like you
that make me mad these days".

What did he do when he told you
that? -He started poking at my chest.

With what? -His finger, going
like this, poking at my chest.

Was he saying anything as he was
doing this? -Yes, ma'am. -What?

Saying, "I'm going to get you.
I am going to get you".

Did he touch you again?
-Yes, ma'am. -What did he do?

He banged his fist into me chest.
-Show me. -Like...

Did he then give you a scenario
of what he thought had happened?

Yes, he said,
"You accidentally shot the lady,

"you ran and threw the gun
and purse in the woods".

What did you say? -I said, "No sir.
I had nothing to do with that".

Does the issue of trying
to go out into the woods

and find the gun come up?
-Yes, ma'am.

How far did Detective Glover walk
you into the woods? -Pretty deep.

And what is the lighting like
inside the woods at this time?

It's pretty dim. Like, shady.

At some point, did Detective Glover
hit you? -Yes, ma'am.

- Where did he hit you first?
- In my stomach.

- How hard?
- I fell to my knees.

- What did you say?
- I said, "I can't help you.

"I don't know anything about a gun
or purse". -What did he do?

Hit my stomach again. -What did you
do? -Fell to my knees. -Did it hurt?

Yes, ma'am. -What happened after you
fell onto your knees a second time?

I was crying. He said,
"You look pathetic".

He pulled me up by my shirt.

Did you get hit again? -Yes, ma'am.
-Where? -Hit me on my left eye.

How hard did he hit you?

It wasn't no knockout punch
or nothing like that.

But it was a hit.
I took a few steps back.

I anticipated that the police were not
going to admit that they had harmed him,

and it would be important

to put his injuries into
the context of the interrogation.

The only real way to do that, since
there are only three detectives

and Mr Butler as witnesses
to these injuries,

and since I anticipated that
the detectives would be denying

the injuries, the only way to really
explain to the court of the jury

how the injuries occurred
would be for him to testify.

So when you saw Detective Darnell,
what did he do?

At that point,
he had pulled out a form.

And what did he start to do
with that form?

He said, "You have robbed her.
You robbed the old lady.

"And you pulled a gun real fast.
You shot her.

"You ran home,"
or something like that.

And what is he doing as he's
telling you these things?

At that point,
he is writing it down. -OK.

And when he got done going through
this, what did he tell you to do?

- He told me to sign.
- What happened?

At that point he was
looking at his holster, like.

I said, "What are you going to do, shoot
me?" He said, "You guessed right".

He said every 10 seconds that passed,
he was going to hit me.

Did 10 seconds pass by?
-Yes, ma'am. -And what did he do?

He hit me twice on my left eye.
-Did you sign the form? -Yes, ma'am.

Now, Brent, did you shoot
the lady, Mrs Stevens,

at the Ramada Inn the morning
of May 7? -No, ma'am.

Were you at the Ramada Inn
the morning of May 7? -No, ma'am.

Never been there before.

Good morning, ma'am. -Good morning.
-Can you tell us who you are?

I am Melissa Butler.

I think you said you usually get up
before seven, is that correct? -Always.

OK. And do you know
if that was true this morning?

Yes, because I still
can't sleep past seven.

What do you do when you get up?

Well, when I used to
get up in the morning, I would

go ahead and pray as usual,

go in the bathroom and do
whatever I need to do in there.

It took about 10 minutes.

After I left my bedroom,
I went directly to Brent's room.

His door was closed,
I opened his door,

he was in bed, still, in his boxers,

but his back was turned
towards the door,

his face facing his bedroom wall.

The next time that I saw Brent
after leaving my bedroom,

when I was here, Brent
was right here in the foyer area

near the fourth bedroom,
which is here.

I would assume he was
coming out of the fourth bedroom

from the laundry room,
which is here.

Did you speak at all with
each other at that point?

Yes, when we met, here, I said,
"Good morning, Brent,"

and he said, "Good morning".

Now, did you encounter any
policemen that morning? -Yes.

Did either of those
gentlemen speak to you

or your husband in your presence?

Yes. -Tell me, if you would,
about that conversation.

They asked,
"Does Brent Butler live here?"

And we said yes, and my husband
said, "What can I help you with?"

And they said, "Well,
we just want to question him,

"we're not accusing him of anything,
we just want to question him

"to see if he knows anything
about the break-ins in the area".

Now, you went in
and Brenton wasn't there,

and you told the police that, right?

Yes.

Did that alarm you or upset you,
or was that unusual?

Well, it was not unusual for Brent
to leave the house without telling us,

but it was very unusual for
Brent to stay gone for a long period

of time, cos he would stay no more
than 30 minutes to an hour.

He would have never left the house
and just gone and stayed.

And that's what upset me.

And I called my sister, Emma,
and I said,

"What could have happened to him?"

And she said, "Well,
call some of his friends".

Sean is the only friend that
I know Brent associates with,

so I called Sean on my cellphone
to ask had he talked to Brett today?

He said, no. At that time, I knew
something had happened to my son.

So...

- Excuse me.
- Just take a moment.

There's water beside you
if you need it.

Did you get to speak to
Brenton later that night?

Yes, but it was very late.

Do you recall what he said to you
and you to him?

He said, "Mom, I didn't do it.
I didn't do it".

And he said, "I'm going to spend
the rest of my life in jail

"because they made me
sign this paper".

And I said, "What paper?"

He didn't quite understand
because he was so upset himself.

And I said, "No, you won't". I said,
"Brenton, just pray and hold on".

[MUFFLED SPEECH]

JUDGE: It may be necessary
just to get a complete

understanding of the conversation,
so I overrule the objection.

So I told him to just pray
and hold on,

and that his dad and I would do
anything to get him out of there,

even mortgaging the house
to get him out of this.

Thank you.

OK, Miss Stair, you may proceed. -If
you need a break, just let us know.

I just want to clarify
a few things,

that's all I'm going to be
asking you about.

You indicated that the first time
you saw your son

he was still in his bedroom?

Yes, ma'am.

And you are basing the time that you
saw him on your regular pattern?

Yeah. -You didn't look at a clock?
-No.

And I think you said... Now,
what time was it that you saw him

in the laundry room?

It was, um... Well, I was not
exactly in the laundry room,

I met him in the foyer area,

cos I was coming out of the hallway
leading to the foyer area.

But that's on the way
to the laundry room? -Yes.

OK, where you keep your
cleaning supplies? -Yes.

Your Honour,
I don't have any other questions.

Ma'am, you realise
you are under oath. -Yes.

Is there any question in your mind
that your son was home

between seven and nine
in the morning? -No question.

- I know my son was home.
- Thank you, ma'am.

[INAUDIBLE]

[INAUDIBLE]

No, actually, he said he didn't.

I've got it.

They knew they didn't have a case.

The detective went in
and he wrote out what he wanted.

And he is a man who gets
what he wants.

And then he threatened
a 15-year-old boy and he poked him

and he displayed his gun and
he got him to sign a piece of paper.

It was a pathetic piece of paper
that made no sense,

that never has been since that day
supported in any way.

There is no truth in it. But it was
close enough for government work.

So you asked Detective Williams
about talking to the defendant.

Did you do so? -I did. -Was anybody
else with you? -No, just me.

Tell the jury
about your conversation.

I told them had a decision had been
made that he would be arrested

and charged with the murder
of Mary Ann Stevens.

I told him that we
would complete the paperwork

and that he would be incarcerated
at the juvenile shelter.

And what happened then?

Once I told him about the
incarceration, I told him that

if he wanted to tell his side
of the story, that this would be

his last opportunity to do so.

At that point, he touched my knee.
We were sitting face-to-face.

He said,
"When I talked to Detective Glover,

"he had told me
there was an easy road" -

and he touched my opposite knee -
"and there was a hard road".

I said, "Well, I wasn't present
for that interview

"and I'm not sure
what you're talking about,

"but as far as an easy road, I don't
see one. I only see a hard road,

"this is a very serious offence".

With that in mind, I asked him

if at this time he wanted to
present his side of the story.

He said he did.

I left the interview room,
I told him I had to get the forms.

I talked to Detective Williams,
who was still sitting at his desk.

I advised him that I was going
to take a written statement

that he had provided me with
his side of the story.

He said, OK. I said, "I need you
to go in the monitoring room

"and monitor the written statement so
you can witness the written statement".

He said, "OK, fine".

What happened when you went
back into the interview room?

We recorded a written statement
on a Sheriff's Office form.

When we finished the statement,
we read it over together, out loud.

I asked him if he agreed to it,
and he said, yes.

He signs on the bottom of
each side of the statement,

attesting that this is his statement,
and at the end, I drew a diagonal line.

And he signed on that diagonal
line as well as on the bottom

where it says, "Statement made by".

Your Honour, I don't have any
other questions at this time. -OK.

Mr McGuinness,
you may cross-examine.

Before he came up for
cross-examination, there was a break.

I went out to have a cigarette,
and, as I pulled my cigarette out,

he looked at me - and there is no
love lost between us - and he said,

"Suck down another cancer stick".

I just looked at him and I said, "I
always enjoy a cigarette before sex".

Cos I wanted him to know...
I was going to screw him.

I don't think the message
was lost on him. And I did.

Now, initially,
when you spoke to him,

this young man was polite to you,
is that right? -Yes.

He was calm. -He was.
-He was well mannered. -Yes. -OK.

And then you and Williams started
calling him a liar, didn't you? -No.

- You never called him a liar?
- I told him I thought he was lying.

That wasn't my question. Did you call
him a liar or not, sir? -Indirectly.

OK. How about directly.
Did you do that?

I don't recall calling him
a liar directly.

- It's not in your notes.
- Probably not. I don't recall.

Does that happen with such frequency
you just don't take note of it?

- Objection, Your Honour.
- Overruled.

Does that happen with such frequency
you just don't take note of it, sir?

What is that?
-Calling people liars. -No.

I liked that.

I liked the fact that
I didn't believe these men

and I didn't respect them because of
what they had done, so... It puts you

in a fighting mood and makes you want
to show them to be what they are.

This is the first two pages
of the statement, OK? -Yes.

All this information up here, that's
in your handwriting? -Yes. -OK.

And, "I, Brenton Butler, am providing
this statement of my own free will,

"without any threat or promise".

- He didn't say that, right?
- Correct.

OK. And... "Detective Darnell is
writing this statement at my request".

- He didn't say that, right?
- Correct.

And virtually all of your statements
start out the same way, right?

They do. -Everybody just asks you
to write their statements, right?

- The ones that do.
- What percentage would that be?

I don't know statistics.

An extraordinarily high percentage,
wouldn't it?

I would say most asked me
to write, yes.

And is that because you have
remarkably good penmanship,

or... Do you know?

I just always assumed it was that they
were too lazy to write it themselves.

But you knew he could read
and write, right? -Sure.

Didn't you think it might be a good
idea to let him...

If you wanted his side of the story,

to let him put his own side
of the story down?

- This is his side of the story.
- OK.

"Last night, I got home late
and didn't get a chance to eat".

Did you ever check to see
if that was true? -No.

Did he look malnourished
when you were talking to him? -No.

And Detective Williams was over
in the monitoring room, was he?

Detective Williams
was in the monitoring room.

So he would have heard him
say all these things, right?

I can't testify as to what Detective
Williams heard. -As far as you knew,

the audio hook-up was still
working over there, right? -Yes.

"The woman gave me a mean look

"and mumbled 'nasty nigger'
under her breath".

As far as you know, did Mr Stevens
ever corroborate that in any way?

I've never talked to Mr Stevens
or interviewed him about this case.

But you've read the report
plenty of times, right?

- I've read what was relevant to me.
- Hmm. OK.

"And as I...
raised the gun from my pocket,

"quickly it went off".

- Is that something he said?
- Yes.

"I had pulled the trigger
unknowingly".

That was his language,
"unknowingly"?

No, he said he did not know
that he had pulled the trigger.

OK. So you just liked that word
better, right?

This was how I wrote it
when we formulated the sentence.

"I took the woman's money from her
wallet and put it in mine". Right?

Yes. -He said that, right?
-That is what he told me, yes.

"And I went home to feed my dog".

Did he say why it was so important
to feed the dog at that point?

I never got the impression
that was important.

That was just what he did
when he got home. -Mm.

Why go home if he had completed this
armed robbery and killed somebody?

- Did he say?
- No.

[LAWYER CLEARS THROAT]

"Later I was walking to Blockbuster
Video to get a job application".

Why did he need a job

if he had taken up this new career
as an armed robber? -I don't know.

OK. "When the police stopped me,

"the policeman asked me to come with
him to the Ramada Inn, which I did".

Did he say why
he went with the police

if he had just killed somebody
over there?

He just said he was asked
and he complied.

"Complied" - was that what he said?
-No, that is my word. -OK.

If we could, let's distinguish
between your words and his. OK?

"The man who was with the woman
I shot came to the car

"and told the police
I was the one who shot her".

- Right, he said that?
- Yes.

And he is saying this stuff
out loud, right?

- We are formulating sentences.
- Is he saying this stuff out loud?

Actually, I am saying this
and he is agreeing to it. -OK.

Which of these words
did he say out loud

that could be heard
in the monitoring room?

All of them. -OK. Whilst somebody
was in the monitoring room?

Detective Williams was in there.

So he would have heard him say
all of these words, is that right?

- The video monitoring room.
- Where is the video monitoring room?

Did you hear him ask
Detective Darnell

to write the statement out for him?

- No, sir.
- Did you hear him say,

"Last night, I got home late
and I didn't get a chance to eat"?

- Did you hear the defendant say that?
- No, sir.

Did he ever say, "I approached
an older white man and woman

"and asked for spare change"?

- Did you hear him say that?
- No, sir, I did not.

During that portion of conversation
you monitored with Darnell,

did he ever describe,
with any particularity,

the clothing of the lady
he supposedly shot?

I never heard him say that, sir.

While monitoring Darnell, did you ever
hear him say he shot anybody? -No, sir.

OK. Now, since that time and
in the six months that followed,

which of the facts asserted in here

have you been able to verify
in any way?

I have not attempted
to verify any of them.

Thank you, sir.

# Don't leave me alone, Lord

# Don't leave me alone

# While I'm on this tedious journey
Oh, Lord

# I want Jesus

# To walk with me ##

We come with thanksgiving
in our hearts. -Yes, Lord.

Today, we lift up your holy name.

We thank you, Lord.

Bless us and hold us and keep us.

In Jesus Christ's name we pray.

Thank you, Lord. -Amen.

CONGREGATION: Amen.

I will probably go to sleep
about ten.

I'll probably get up about 2:30.

Then I will take all the notes

I have made over the weeks
and months

and I will start
a distillation process, you know?

Throwing out the things that I think
either are not compelling

or not important enough to use any
portion of my hour and a half on.

Boiling it down to the facts
that I think work best for us

and then trying to couch those facts

in a way that will be compelling
to the jury,

that will ring true with them.

Are these things we have heard
worthy of belief?

Are they consistent
with what other witnesses say?

Are they consistent
with the physical evidence?

Are the things the detective said
true or false

and, if so, how do we tell?

This jury tomorrow
could well come back against me.

When I say against me,
I take it personally.

The man - or boy, in this case -

who will suffer is Brenton Butler.

He could well suffer with the loss
of liberty for the rest of his life.

Um... that is
a very frightening thing.

I believe, in my heart of hearts,
that he is innocent.

I am not allowed to say that
to the jury.

I can't tell them
that I believe that.

I can tell them that the
evidence shows that.

And they may or may not agree
with my view of the evidence, and,

if they disagree,

I don't know what I will do.

This is not a loss
I will be able to take easily.

Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant
Brenton Butler shot and killed

Mary Anne Stevens during an armed
robbery on May 7th of this year.

The State must prove the material
elements of this charge

beyond a reasonable doubt,
and I submit that we have.

We have an eyewitness,
a person who was right there

and watched the defendant,
Brenton Butler,

shoot his wife
right in front of his eyes.

Four to five seconds...

it is an eternity
when facing a man with a gun.

You recall Miss Finnell counting.
Well, I tell you it's this:

1,000, 2,000,

3,000, 4,000, 5,000,

looking directly at the man holding
a gun and shooting your wife.

Mr Stevens is a man
who is 65 years old.

He told you about all of his
life experiences,

and I submit to you
that when he looked at that person,

and then he saw the defendant
two and a half hours later,

that he identified him as he said,
"I am sure of it.

"I would not put
an innocent man in jail".

Now, let's talk about the alibi.

The murder of Mrs Stevens
occurred around 7:30 in the morning

on Sunday the 7th.

The defendant lives less than
one mile away.

What does it take? Less than five
minutes to get away from the scene

and then five or ten more minutes
to get home.

We're not talking about
a very long distance.

Now, according to his mother,

between 7:00 and 7:15 she hears

the defendant in the bathroom,

and then around eight
he is coming from the laundry room.

Think about that.
That is according to his mother.

Sometime around eight o'clock -

30 minutes after
Mrs Stevens was shot.

Let's talk about the confession.

The defendant says
he never made those statements.

Not that they are not voluntary.
He never made them.

That is what the defendant
claims about this.

Now, I tell you, the claims
in this case are outrageous.

They are horrible.
They are horrendous.

To claim that these police officers
beat this 15-year-old

until he DIDN'T confess but finally
signed the written confession,

they are horrible. If you believe
those after this trial,

I urge you to call the media,

call the FBI, call anybody.
They are outrageous.

But I submit to you,
to believe those allegations

you need to believe in a conspiracy
worthy of Oliver Stone.

Look at this person.

This is a person who confessed,

who told his side of the story,
as Detective Glover talked about.

Mr McGuinness is going to have
an opportunity to talk to you,

and I want you, as he talks, to
think about the things I have said.

But I submit to you that first,

if you just look at Mr Stevens's
identification,

right there,

the one eyewitness positively
identified the defendant.

Identified him by his face.

And that alone proves our case
beyond a reasonable doubt.

Thank you.

Winston Churchill used to say

that the quality
of a nation's civilisation

can be measured
by the methods its police use

in enforcement of criminal laws.

I suggest to you, by that yardstick,

we're in deep trouble.

Ask yourselves what you know
about this investigation.

Are you satisfied?
Can you be satisfied?

Can you ratify and endorse and
condone what happened in this case?

I think, based on the evidence, not.

The police had a problem.

At this motel, there was a murder.

It was a stranger murder. They are
the most difficult to solve.

It requires diligent police work.

It requires attention to detail.

It requires an appreciation
of the forensic evidence.

It requires careful analysis.

It didn't happen here.

But what did the police do?

In Casablanca, they had the line,
"Round up the usual suspects".

What they did,

is they went looking
for black people.

And two and one half hours
after this shooting,

a 15-year-old boy was on his way

to get a job application.

A young man that works.
That has worked in the past.

That pays for his own clothes
and his CDs.

That the State would have you
believe, at age 15,

he gets up, has his yoghurt,
decides to go kill somebody,

kills them,

comes home and feeds the dog.

Somebody who has never,
in his lifetime,

been seen by anybody with a gun.

Now, Mr Stevens made
an identification.

He made an identification of a man

four inches shorter than
the person he'd described,

five to ten years younger...

...who was...

...wearing a shirt where the absolute
most noticeable thing about it...

...is the Nautica logo.

The man who wielded that gun

would have had to have the gun
at least at chest height

to get the angle of entry
that the doctor described.

The gun would have been
right there.

This logo cannot be missed

from 2.5 feet looking at someone,
if it's there.

But that very same identification

created some real problems
for the police.

Their only eyewitness
is wholeheartedly committed

to an identification that
if they were going to make a case...

...they had to make that come true.

And they have the television crews
out there already.

They had a case they knew was going
to get a lot of attention,

because you had a white victim,
a black shooter,

a tourist in Florida.

And that media attention,
the racial aspects of it...

the pressures on the police...

I think coloured everything
that happened later that day.

Why was everybody distancing
themselves from Glover in the woods?

Here is the fellow who claims he has
the man who knows where the gun is.

They're going to the woods.

And Glover went deep in that woods.

He went out of earshot
and eyesight of everybody.

Without any lights.

But he's looking for a gun, he says.

And he punched a 15-year-old boy
in the gut,

twice.

And once in the eye.

Think about why Glover
was brought in.

What does the evidence tell us his
most distinguished achievement was

before his father became sheriff,

and suddenly, they realised his
potential as a homicide detective.

Cos he sure wasn't one before then.

Before that, his most noteworthy
achievement was hitting people

and hitting them well.

Objection, Your Honour!
May I approach? -You may.

Will our reporter please join us?

You may have noticed, when Detective
Glover was on the stand...

he's a right-handed man.

And when a right-handed man...

...hits a man he's facing,

which side is he going to hit?

We know that Brenton Butler
went into police custody unmarred

and unscratched.

We know he didn't emerge that way.

We spent hours talking to witnesses

who would reluctantly
give up bits of the truth,

a little bit at a time.

But you now know

what Detective Williams should have
known, had he bothered to check,

the morning of May 7th.

And I believe it reveals something
very frightening.

There is still

a man out there.

That man is 20-25 years of age.

He is probably about six feet
in height.

He has a collar on his shirt.

He still has a functioning gun.

And because no diligent effort was
made in the investigation in this case,

likely some other citizen
will come to harm,

because the work wasn't done when
and how it should have been done.

I ask you each individually
and collectively,

tacked with fidelity to your oaths,

to well and truly try
the issues in this case.

And I suggest that if you do,

this will truly be a thanksgiving
this week for Chevy Drive.

I thank you for your kind attention.

We want everybody to be fresh, we
want everybody to be clear of mind.

So what we'll do in just a moment
is we'll recess for the evening.

We'll come back. I will for sure
have everything ready to go.

So you are released. We'll see you
at 9am outside courtroom number four.

We have all our trust in the Lord
and if it weren't for the Lord,

we don't know where
we would have been by now.

And so it's no mistake.
The Lord don't make mistakes.

And so we're going to be here.
We're here,

and the Lord's going to be in that
courtroom. He gon' be in that courtroom.

And you talking about when they
allow you to come home,

when you are set free -

you going to talk about some
hallelujah good time in there?

You going to be shouting?
They gonna run us out.

They going to run us out.

Cos when you get all these Christians
together and they going

to be having a joyous good time.

They going to be thanking
and praising the Lord.

Brenton Leonard Butler,
the defendant in this case,

has been accused of the crimes

of murder in the first degree
and armed robbery.

If you find Mary Ann Stevens was
killed by Brenton Leonard Butler,

you will then consider

the circumstances
surrounding the killing

in deciding if the killing was
first degree murder,

or was murder in the second degree,

murder in the third degree,
manslaughter,

or whether the killing was excusable

or resulted from justifiable use
of deadly force.

A reasonable doubt is not a mere
possible doubt,

a speculative,
imaginary, or forced doubt.

A reasonable doubt
as to the guilt of the defendant

may arise from the evidence,

conflict in the evidence,
or the lack of evidence.

If you have a reasonable doubt, you
should find the defendant not guilty.

If you have no reasonable doubt, you
should find the defendant guilty.

[MURMURING PRAYERS]

ALL: Amen.

If you're here
for the Brenton Butler case,

if you would please
re-enter the courtroom quietly.

Your jury has reached a verdict.

We have a verdict, if you want
to come over.

And let Sue or anybody else
who's interested know.

Bye.

MAN: What did it mean?
Did he tell you 45 minutes?

Means they've either found for us
or against us.

I'm hoping it's for us.

Is everyone who is outside
and following the trial here

and had an opportunity to be present?

Mr Stevens is here,
and the Butler family is here.

Are we ready to proceed, counsel?

OK, then.
Let's bring the jury back in.

- Mr Young, are you the foreperson?
- Yes, I am.

- Has the jury reached a verdict?
- Yes, we have.

I'm going to hand the verdict forms
to our clerk

and ask that she publish the verdicts.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

I want you to please stand
and hearken to your voting.

In the circuit court of the Florida
justice circuit in Duval County, Florida,

case number 2563 5CF, division CRG,

the State of Florida
versus Brenton Leonard Butler,

verdict as to count 1, we the jury
find the defendant not guilty.

[CHEERING AND WHOOPING]

I ask you, please, everyone...

please maintain decorum
in the courtroom. Thank you.

Case number 2563 5CF, division CRG,

the State of Florida
versus Brenton Leonard Butler,

verdict as to count 2, we the jury
find the defendant not guilty.

So say we all at Jacksonville,
Duval County Florida.

Signed by the foreperson,
dated November 21st, 2000.

OK. Does either counsel wish the
jury to be polled? -PROSECUTOR: No.

OK. Ladies and gentlemen,
please be seated.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
your time and patience in this matter.

I hope you all come away from this
with a sense that you really have

done something to contribute
to the community,

to the criminal justice system.

I hope that you have some pride
in the sense of the process

and pride in the way

that you have contributed to that
and participated in our system,

which I think is
the best legal system in the world.

[DIALOGUE INDISTINCT]

[INDISTINCT]

Yeah.

You did good work.

Take care, gentlemen. Thank you.

Here he comes.

[INDISTINCT]

[WEEPING]

I am very happy

that a good young man has been
returned to his family for Thanksgiving.

Yeah! Not guilty, not guilty,
not guilty! Yeah, yay!

Not guilty!

[INDISTINCT]

There is still a man out there.

That man is 20-25 years of age.

He is probably about six feet
in height.

He still has a functioning gun

because the work wasn't done when
and how it should have been done.

Stay right here for your news.
This is ABC 25.

Well, he was a high school student
accused of murder, tried and acquitted.

Now, a year later,
police say they had the wrong guy.

Our reporter Winston Dean
is at the Ramada Hotel,

where this crime happened.

Winston, tell us more about the man
who put it all together.

We understand it wasn't
anyone in law enforcement?

You are right about that, Allen.

And critics of what happened to
Brenton Butler say the scary part is,

the person who may have solved this crime

doesn't wear a badge or carry a gun.

It was a lawyer whose salary
we as taxpayers have to pay -

someone who never gave up.

In this case,
Brenton Butler's public defender.

The first week of January, we got
a tip from a public defender client.

Told us that he'd been in a cell
of a man Juan Curtis.

This fellow, Juan Curtis,
had admitted being the shooter,

shooting Mrs Stevens in the face,

because Mrs Stevens had thrown
a cup of coffee on him

during the course of the robbery.

After the trial, the original
trial in this case,

we retrieved the purse
from Mr Stevens

and we processed for evidence

all parts of the purse that
had not been previously processed.

We have discovered a fingerprint
that belongs to Juan Curtis,

the shooter in the offence.

Juan Curtis.

Mr Curtis, you're charged
with murder and armed robbery.

Mr Curtis, you want me to appoint
an attorney to represent you?

Sign that form.

You meet the criteria for
appointment of counsel,

and I appoint Refik Eler
to represent you,

and he will be in touch with you
at the Duval County Jail.

Ronald Page?

POLICE RADIO: 'It's gonna be a skinny
black male wearing dark shorts, shirt,

'had on a hat'.

'Latest update is a black male,

20-25 years of age
with skinny legs, about 6'2...'

'Could be him, could be anybody'.