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- There was a place in Ocala,
Florida called Spaceballs,
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which was a pool hall,
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but also a place that
we hung out at, a lot.
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The owner thought of us as
sort of as a type of security.
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And one night, there was
someone that showed up
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that he really did not like,
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and he wanted us to make the guy leave.
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I used to wear these rings,
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thinking that if I punched somebody,
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it was going to cause
more pain and it did.
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Every time I hit this guy in the face,
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he would scream.
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And we had me hitting him.
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We had this guy, Mike, hitting him.
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One guy broke his hand,
punching him so hard.
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So I'm punching harder
and harder and harder.
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And eventually, he got loose.
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One shoe came off.
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I remember Joe taking it
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and just whizzed it
across the parking lot.
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And as soon as we got
him down on the ground,
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I walked over and was like, all right,
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and threw the guy a kick.
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It was basically kind of soft at first.
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And I remember the guy cried out,
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"Mama, mama".
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I had a thought for one second,
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when I was giving really brief kicks,
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that if you let this bother you now,
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it'll bother you for
the rest of your life.
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So I made like a switch,
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learning how to turn my conscience off.
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And at that point, I just
kicked the ever-loving shit
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out of that guy.
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And , walked off and left him.
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He wasn't black or Hispanic,
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not a person of color at all.
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He was just a stupid white
guy doing stupid stuff
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that was in the wrong
place at the right time.
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- In recent years,
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we've become accustomed to
hearing how the Jewish Agency
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for Israel has rescued Jews
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from areas of distress
like Yugoslavia, Chechnya,
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and brought them to safety here in Israel.
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But when we hear that the Jewish Agency
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has rescued a young American Jew
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from Daytona Beach, Florida,
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that's another story, altogether.
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It's the story of John Daly.
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Welcome John.
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Your story begins back in
1990 on a beach in Florida.
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What happened?
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- A group of seven Neo-Nazi skinheads,
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some of whom were from the
town of Ocala that I lived in,
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recognized me and proceeded
to do their best to do me in.
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- And they tried to kill you?
- Yes, sir.
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- Hate crime in general,
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there there's no statute of
limitations on hate crimes.
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So therefore, I'm gonna
have to reframe from-
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- Okay.
- I mean.
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If there's certain things I say,
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I can literally wind up in prison.
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- One of them shouted
out, "Die, Jew boy die".
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And they pulled me into the ocean.
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And two of them sat on me
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to make sure that I couldn't get up.
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- The perpetrators of this crime
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are members of a known
national organization
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who would not stop at murdering John,
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in part, I think to save
themselves from prosecution,
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somewhere down the line.
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- Because those kinds of people,
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when you commit crimes, they don't forget.
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I mean, like they don't forget.
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And when you do it, you
don't want them to forget,
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you know, you want them to know
what you're doing is wrong.
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It's against them.
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It's hatred.
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Hey, I'm right here, don't forget me.
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We're never going to
let you live in peace.
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- Luckily you
survived, amazingly survived.
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- Yes sir.
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It's really hard to believe almost
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that this kind of
antisemitism, skinhead attacks,
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exists in the United States.
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Is this an isolated incident
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or do you know of others like it?
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- No, I don't believe
it's an isolated incident.
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I think that, while the
attacks may not be against
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necessarily Jews in general,
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but they're against minorities.
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And I think any attack on any
minority is an attack on us.
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- Six years
after they were sent to jail,
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if I remember correctly,
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two of the people who
attacked you were released.
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Did things change for you?
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- They were beginning to.
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Some of the people went to jail
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for just assault and battery.
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Two went to jail for attempted murder.
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They were leaders in
the racist organizations
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and they had made it clear
that when they got out,
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that they were going to finish the job.
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- I always thought I had
the greatest criminal mind
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of anyone I'd ever met.
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And John loved to entertain these ideas,
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'cause I always had some good ones.
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We just, you know, basically,
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somehow stayed out of trouble,
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while causing a lot of trouble.
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One of our favorite things
to do was go shooting.
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We both had matching 38, five shots
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and we put 'em to work.
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- The skinheads are an
organization such that
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members from Orlando
will sit around and laugh
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and joke around at the
beginning of the evening,
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telling stories about the
houses they fire-bombed
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or the former members that they shot
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before they began any discussions.
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That way that the groundwork
has been laid for you
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to understand what happens to
people that just walk away.
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- What drew me to John
was he was very quiet,
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very well thought.
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You could tell he was an
incredibly methodical person.
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He was like a chess player.
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He was like Bobby Fisher, he
was always 10 moves ahead.
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He knew what he wanted
from life, it seemed.
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He wanted the same things I wanted, power.
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I was almost like his antithesis
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'cause I was very quick
to react and very loud.
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And John was exactly the opposite,
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very calm, cool and collective.
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When he would get mad,
he would almost whisper
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very quiet and smile a lot,
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where as I would get loud and in your face
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and move around a bunch.
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So it was an odd dichotomy
with the two of us together.
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- At the hospital bed, we pressed
John for more information.
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He said it was his friends,
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so-called friends who had beat him up.
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And that's when his
story began to come out.
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He was very selfish.
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Can still be.
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The tumor has been the best thing
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that ever happened to
him, has made him humble.
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And I used to pray, God,
he needs to be broken.
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John's father came from a
very violent background.
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He brought that into the marriage.
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Guns, knives, you name it.
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I've had it held to my head, to my throat.
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- My dad, when he was younger,
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was a gang leader in New York City.
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No small thing unto itself.
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My dad would hit Puerto Ricans
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to see which way they would fall.
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That was something I remember
hearing more than once
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from various members of
my family as I grew up.
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When he was younger,
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he ran over my grandfather
and shot my uncle,
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both in the same night.
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- It's about feeling safe
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and not feeling alone and
feeling you're part of something,
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even if it wasn't something
you wanted to be a part of,
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once you were in, you know,
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once I was tattooed and
you know, recruited,
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I was top of the pecking order.
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As soon as you bring, you know,
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five or six people to the table,
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all of a sudden, everybody loves you.
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- One thing that separated me
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from a lot of the other guys
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and something that got me noticed
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was the fact that I had no tattoos.
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The only tats I wanted
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were ones that no one would give me.
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I wanted skins on the inside of my lip.
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The other tat that I
wanted was a spiderweb
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showing that I'd killed somebody.
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And that of course, I had yet to earn.
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I remember one day there was,
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I was at somebody's house.
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One of the apartments in the area
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and a crew of black guys showed up
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and they said they wanted
one of the guys inside,
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a white guy, a friend of mine.
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And I don't know how many it was,
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but they just came into the door
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and jumped on him, started beating on him.
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Got him back into the kitchen.
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And there was a frying
pan on the kitchen stove,
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a nice big lead frying pan.
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And it made an interesting whack
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when they hit him in the head.
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They hit him so hard, they
dented this metal frying pan
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on top of his head.
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And just the fear and
helplessness at that moment
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that I had no one I could
call and no one to turn to.
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There's no one that I could
say, hey, I need help,
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that could come.
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And that was a terrifying moment.
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- Because of the bullying
he'd had from black people,
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he got, so he didn't like him.
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And it put a fear in him.
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And all of a sudden, he finds these people
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to be a part of that's got his back.
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He was tired of being picked on.
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And I can't say, as I blame him.
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- When I turned against racism,
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was basically a group of skinheads.
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One racist.
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They weren't active,
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doing much more than just seeking
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where the next beer was going to come from
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and looking out for one another.
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And that was something that was new to me.
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And I was instantly drawn to it.
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I saw their style of dress.
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I saw their comradery.
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The fact that they flowed together,
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laughed together
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and more importantly, they
all had each other's back.
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- You know, coming from being a geeky kid
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who was picked on,
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you know, never felt to belong
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to all of a sudden have people
that would do your biddings,
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it feels good.
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I'm not gonna lie, it feels good.
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- One of the guys lifted up his shirt,
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showed me a white hand and a
black hand breaking a swastika.
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And he said, oh, it's
cool that you're Jewish.
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You know, we don't have a
problem with races, whatsoever.
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There were some guys from
AYF that did have racist,
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white supremacy tattoos
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that I didn't know about.
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They were hidden on their bodies
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that I didn't see until much, much later.
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Two of the guys went down to Orlando
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and while they were down there,
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they met up with some
racist skinheads from AYF,
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Aryan Youth Force.
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AYF was led by a guy named Richie
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who was a diehard neo-Nazi skinhead.
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One day there was a knock at my front door
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and he was outside
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with two other neo-Nazi skinheads.
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So in the back of my mind,
I was like, all right,
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if this is for you,
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like if they're here
for you, go with them.
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I didn't know that the
guys that he'd met up with
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had already handed over
the names and addresses
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of everybody where we all lived.
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And he didn't know I was Jewish.
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That was one piece of information
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that Chris and them, kept to themselves.
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So as I rode with him
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and they're telling me
about this organization
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that they belong to,
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they're like, oh yeah, you
remember that guy, Bobby?
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Bobby moved to different city.
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They found him crucified
in his front yard.
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And each one told a story about somebody
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who's mysteriously this,
mysterious this, mysteriously that.
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Then Richie leaned over the back and said,
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oh, welcome aboard.
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And I knew at that moment,
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that I wasn't being asked,
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I was being told, one, you're not with us.
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And two, if you try and leave...
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It wasn't that they did this
to strangers that refused them,
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they did to their friends.
273
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So at that moment, I wasn't
going to say, wait a second,
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I'm Jewish, I can't be involved.
275
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Little did I know I was meeting
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with my future attempted
murderer, that day.
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- He's trying to hide
the fact that he's a Jew,
278
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getting more and more involved
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in serious racist skinhead meetings.
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There was no internet.
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There was no computers.
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You didn't have cell phones.
283
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- These guys are totally
meshed in society.
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I knew they could find me
285
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because you just didn't
know, if you'd look,
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the guy sitting next
to you in a restaurant
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was a supporter, was active.
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And when you see that at 16 years old,
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that you're near a police cruiser
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and a police officer in uniform,
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who's talking to you as an equal
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because you're a racist and thinking, wow,
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I can't call the cops.
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What if they send this guy?
295
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There were parties, you'd
hear people bragging
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about hanging out with judges.
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You'd hear people talking about
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hanging out with politicians.
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I couldn't type into Google in 1990,
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hey, how do I get out a
neo-Nazi organization?
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Can you help me?
302
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I couldn't turn to my
parents and say, hey,
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I know you guys don't have money.
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Let's move to another city,
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change our names
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and try and go into the
Witness Protection Program.
307
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No, it doesn't work like.
308
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- And I would say, where
are you going, John?
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I'm going out?
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Well, how did you hurt your fist?
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It looks bruised.
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I don't know, I just knocked
it against something.
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And suddenly, the doors shut.
314
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I wasn't a part of John's life anymore.
315
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- I really stopped dealing my parents,
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my brothers and other people around me,
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even some very close friends.
318
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- They walked down the hall
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in their Dr. Marten boots or combat boots
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and the kids and the teachers stepped back
321
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and made way for them.
322
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- And by association,
whether you're tough or not,
323
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all of a sudden you are,
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and you scare the shit out of people,
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which is very attractive to somebody
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that months prior,
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was picked on.
328
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And all of a sudden, you're
placed in a position where,
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hey, I can defend myself now.
330
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I don't have to be afraid anymore.
331
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On one hand, I'm terrified
332
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that they're going to
find out on I'm Jewish,
333
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but on the other, I
think it's so far away,
334
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the chance is so far, so remote,
335
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so removed from me,
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that I'm safe now.
337
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I've actually found safety
in the embrace of Nazis
338
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and as a Jew.
339
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So if I'm stuck and
there's nothing I can do,
340
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I might as well try and be
341
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as tough and as crazy and as wild
342
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as the rest of the people around me.
343
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The American front was
a national organization
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with chapters all over the United States.
345
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And we started by David Lynch,
346
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who was the Eastern States
chairman of the American front,
347
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who had ostensibly had 5,000
soldiers under his command.
348
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And Bob Heick.
349
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Bob Heick was somebody that
was on the Geraldo Rivera Show.
350
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- Sick and tired of hearing
the sob stories from kikes.
351
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I get sick and tired of
seeing Uncle Tom here.
352
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- He's a member of a group
353
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where most of them haven't
even finished high school.
354
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And he's had his nose in
books since he was a kid.
355
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He knows the history of
World War I, World War II,
356
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the weapons, everything about it.
357
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Both sides, the German
side and the other side,
358
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allies side.
359
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So when he was involved with these people,
360
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he would keep them straight.
361
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They'd try to tell him a story
362
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and he'd say, it didn't happen that way.
363
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It happened this way.
364
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And he could produce
the facts and the book
365
00:14:07,657 --> 00:14:11,040
and the page and show
you where it happened.
366
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So these people, the leaders began to see,
367
00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:16,300
hey, we got a kid that
can think on his feet.
368
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He's not just out there
boozing and fighting
369
00:14:20,318 --> 00:14:21,710
and creating a ruckus.
370
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He can think.
371
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He knows how to think on his feet.
372
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And they begin to take an interest in him.
373
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This was a leader that
they wanted to train.
374
00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:32,343
- Bob Heick called me
a good little racist.
375
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One day when I asked about if
he'd said anything about me,
376
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and that's what was relayed back to me.
377
00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:41,020
Bob said, you a good little racist.
378
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And I remember at the
time, being so touched.
379
00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,960
So for Bob, this was something,
380
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I was somebody that he knew,
381
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David Lynch, as well.
382
00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,060
I was somebody he'd spoken to.
383
00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:52,290
In the summer of 1990,
I received a phone call,
384
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saying, I want you to be
the Northern Florida leader
385
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of the American front.
386
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All of North Florida belongs to you.
387
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I now had, in my mind,
388
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unlimited power.
389
00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:08,020
I knew that I could pick up a phone,
390
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make a call and say,
I want something done.
391
00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:12,750
And there were guys that would do it.
392
00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:14,330
It wasn't something
that I was going to say,
393
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oh, no thank you.
394
00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:18,500
And truthfully, I was
honored and flattered
395
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that I had been recognized.
396
00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:21,910
- We talked a little bit about it.
397
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:24,000
And I remember telling John,
398
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,150
John, you've been to Yad Vashem.
399
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:28,810
You've seen what the Nazis did.
400
00:15:28,810 --> 00:15:30,503
They killed Jews.
401
00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:36,080
And he just sorta like
shrugged his shoulders,
402
00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,470
like, oh well.
403
00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,950
- I distinctly remember my
mom sitting me down one night
404
00:15:39,950 --> 00:15:44,950
and saying, John, they're
going to hurt you.
405
00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:46,180
I knew what she meant.
406
00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:47,918
When they find out you're Jewish,
407
00:15:47,918 --> 00:15:49,530
they're going to hurt you.
408
00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:50,810
- I didn't find out, John was Jewish,
409
00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:53,093
I think until they tried
to put him in the ground,
410
00:15:54,417 --> 00:15:57,493
was how I found out.
411
00:15:58,690 --> 00:16:02,300
- The evening of October, the sixth, 1990,
412
00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:05,250
the phone kept ringing off the hook.
413
00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:06,100
And it was Heather,
414
00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:09,250
the ex-wife of one of John's best friends.
415
00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:11,590
And with urgency, she kept saying,
416
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:13,570
he must be at Daytona Beach.
417
00:16:13,570 --> 00:16:15,310
We're having a special meeting tonight.
418
00:16:15,310 --> 00:16:17,020
He's got to be there.
419
00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:17,853
- And uh,
420
00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,333
that's when,
421
00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:24,150
I found out that they knew, yeah.
422
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,590
Everybody was involved.
423
00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:27,730
None of these guys were
going out of their way
424
00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:30,110
to be like, hey, maybe you
should get out of here.
425
00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:32,870
Every time I went into a
room, it would get quiet.
426
00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:34,360
I'm like, man, this is weird.
427
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,760
This is just the weirdest
vibe I've ever gotten.
428
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,370
At one point, someone said,
let's go down to the beach.
429
00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:42,830
One guy punched me behind my ear.
430
00:16:42,830 --> 00:16:44,570
I heard somebody shout, "Now!"
431
00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:47,860
Then the rest came in and the
punches just started flying.
432
00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:49,120
And I'm shouting out, "I'm a skinhead",
433
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,270
'cause I was trying to think, in my mind,
434
00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:53,345
I'm trying to rationalize
why this was happening.
435
00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,850
And somebody shouted
out, "Die Jew boy, die".
436
00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:01,173
And at that point I knew,
437
00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:03,701
there was no coming back.
438
00:17:04,534 --> 00:17:06,350
It wasn't just one or two kicks.
439
00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:11,110
My God, it was an ongoing,
continuous savage beating.
440
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:12,703
- They were going to kill him.
441
00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:17,090
And they beat him up and
dragged him out in the ocean,
442
00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:20,902
drowned him and left
him, floating out to sea.
443
00:17:20,902 --> 00:17:22,880
- And when I couldn't
hold my breath any longer
444
00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,713
and I inhaled,
445
00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:26,350
I could feel the water hit my lungs.
446
00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:27,940
And as soon as it hit
my lungs, I shot it out.
447
00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,970
And then my lungs went .
448
00:17:29,970 --> 00:17:31,560
And they filled it up again.
449
00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,540
- I read the depositions.
450
00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:35,120
Every one of 'em,
451
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,430
they went back into the ocean,
452
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:38,900
sat on him,
453
00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:43,520
pushed him down to the
bottom of the beach,
454
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,640
where he could feel the
abrasion of the sand on his face
455
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,380
and held him down until he died.
456
00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:52,860
- You feel the water rush into your lungs.
457
00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:53,730
And just as quickly,
458
00:17:53,730 --> 00:17:56,280
your lungs will collapse to shoot it out.
459
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,100
And then again, it'll expand again.
460
00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,670
And it takes two pulls of
your diaphragm to completely
461
00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:02,190
fill your lungs with water.
462
00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:03,660
And you can feel it.
463
00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:04,940
Oh, you can feel it,
464
00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:07,090
especially on an October night,
465
00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:09,850
you can feel when that
cold water hits your lungs.
466
00:18:09,850 --> 00:18:11,700
And that's when I felt myself die.
467
00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,803
The darkness just began to close in,
468
00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:17,720
covering up the light and
then it sealed it out.
469
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,990
And that was it.
470
00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:19,903
I ceased to be.
471
00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,820
- And according to their
statements in court,
472
00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:27,150
the water was a foot over his face.
473
00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:30,700
His mouth was open and his
arms were out to his side
474
00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:32,970
and he was floating out to sea.
475
00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:36,620
And I believe God washed that
kid back up on that beach
476
00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:38,263
and saved my son's life.
477
00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:42,410
- And apparently, the
doctors told my parents,
478
00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:44,260
get ready to say goodbye to your son.
479
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:48,543
He's most likely not gonna survive.
480
00:18:50,977 --> 00:18:53,850
And I remember I had an
Indian doctor that came in
481
00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:55,150
and looked at me and said,
482
00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,050
there's no medical reason
why you should be alive.
483
00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:02,550
You need to find something to believe in.
484
00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:05,960
A table, a chair, you need
to find something to pray to
485
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,760
because there is something
that saved your life.
486
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,750
- So at first, I didn't believe it.
487
00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:11,703
And then when I,
488
00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:13,990
I knew it was true,
489
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:16,700
I was more concerned about his well-being.
490
00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:18,170
It was a hard time in our little town.
491
00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:19,070
I'm not gonna lie.
492
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,640
Everybody, it seemed
like everybody was out
493
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,510
to get everybody else.
494
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:23,380
Everybody was throwing
everybody else under the bus.
495
00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:25,890
So like I said, as soon as
I graduated high school,
496
00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:26,723
which was quickly,
497
00:19:26,723 --> 00:19:28,870
I got a regular old high school diploma
498
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:30,770
and I was like a prom dress, I was off.
499
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,900
I ended up moving to
Gainesville for a bit,
500
00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:34,780
still in the movement
501
00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:36,913
and then wound up in a pocket of Florida,
502
00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:40,500
hanging out with the same group of guys,
503
00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:44,773
eventually that tried
to cause John's demise,
504
00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:47,740
at which time I realized,
505
00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:49,300
I was probably in a
little bit over my head.
506
00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:50,910
- The last threat I received
507
00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:54,720
was a very simple,
508
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,370
when the last guy gets out of prison,
509
00:19:56,370 --> 00:19:57,870
we're going to have a reunion.
510
00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:00,880
All of us together with you.
511
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,093
And we're going to finish what we started.
512
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,930
I contacted the Jewish Agency
513
00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:10,210
and I said, "I need to
move to Israel, now!"
514
00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:12,160
- They were a Jewish family in trouble.
515
00:20:13,220 --> 00:20:15,363
This was a Jewish kid in trouble.
516
00:20:16,456 --> 00:20:18,140
And we were not asking a lot of questions.
517
00:20:18,140 --> 00:20:20,170
We just wanted to know how we could help.
518
00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,840
- And they began to get the wheels moving.
519
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,840
And I found myself in short
order, in my new home,
520
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,500
in the state of Israel,
521
00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:28,963
where here, I felt safe.
522
00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:30,963
Mom!
523
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:34,570
- I'm coming, I'm coming.
524
00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:40,780
- I had two awake brain surgeries.
525
00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:42,300
And that's exactly what it sounds like.
526
00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,140
You are awake while you're
going through surgery.
527
00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,640
And the operating table is
such that I was strapped down,
528
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,800
my legs and my arms were out to the side.
529
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,210
I could feel them pulling my scalp
530
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:54,720
as they detached it from my skull.
531
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,750
For some reason, the
anesthetic that they used
532
00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:02,010
to numb my cranium, my
skull, so I wouldn't feel it,
533
00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:03,170
didn't work.
534
00:21:03,170 --> 00:21:05,370
So once that thought
saw started sliding in,
535
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,203
it was a pain that I cannot
even begin to describe.
536
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,770
The neuropsychologist I was dealing
537
00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:13,270
with explained to me that this
538
00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:18,123
was most likely the product
of a slow bleed in my brain.
539
00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:20,933
She looked at me and said,
540
00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,963
you've had this tumor for a long time.
541
00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:27,043
The only thing I can think of
542
00:21:27,043 --> 00:21:30,290
that would cause a slow bleed in my brain
543
00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,390
would have been the beating in Daytona.
544
00:21:48,492 --> 00:21:49,670
- The thing I'm looking
forward to the most
545
00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:52,380
when I go to Prague is to spend time
546
00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:54,280
with somebody who was a
friend of mine 20 years ago,
547
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,743
in entirely different circumstances.
548
00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:01,040
And really,
549
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,063
to show,
550
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,853
the power of change.
551
00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:09,699
That no matter who you
are or who you were,
552
00:22:09,699 --> 00:22:11,499
you can always become somebody else.
553
00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:15,100
That only you stick yourself in a pattern
554
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,140
of self-indemnification.
555
00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:17,973
I'm a loser.
556
00:22:17,973 --> 00:22:18,806
I'm a failure.
557
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:23,000
That he opted, he made the decision
558
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,780
to get out of the
skinhead racist lifestyle.
559
00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:27,970
So um...
560
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:30,020
- Similar to what happened to you?
561
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,400
- I believe part of it was
because what happened to me.
562
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,970
He and I were very,
very close at the time.
563
00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:37,880
But I think it's also,
564
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,210
from what I understand,
565
00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,820
that I went underground,
no one could find me.
566
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:46,490
And there was definitely revenge taken
567
00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:48,493
on the friends of John the Jew.
568
00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:51,683
And he apparently, was one of 'em
569
00:22:51,683 --> 00:22:54,820
that was attacked and
beaten up several times
570
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:58,593
because he was loyal and had
been my friend and didn't,
571
00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:04,690
didn't betray me.
572
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:05,910
And I just disappeared.
573
00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,213
And there were a lot of
friends, him included,
574
00:23:07,213 --> 00:23:08,830
that were offended at the fact
575
00:23:08,830 --> 00:23:11,339
that I didn't believe their friendship
576
00:23:11,339 --> 00:23:14,313
could span boundaries,
577
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,680
but as far as I was concerned,
578
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,090
no one was to be trusted and no one was.
579
00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:20,980
And to this day, nobody is.
580
00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:22,690
It's just the way it is.
581
00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,030
Kevin was one of my best friends
582
00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:29,023
at a period in my life, when,
583
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:32,874
my life was smoke and mirrors.
584
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:35,210
The last time I remember sitting
585
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:38,460
and standing and talking
with Kevin face-to-face,
586
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,200
both of us had guns in our hands.
587
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,993
And it's a lot to digest.
588
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:46,460
Leaving Israel, cutting the
umbilical cord to my hospitals.
589
00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:47,720
I'm excited to see him.
590
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,513
I'm excited to see who he's become.
591
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,410
Where he's gone in his life,
592
00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:52,960
which I'm quite impressed with.
593
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,330
But at the same time,
594
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:58,603
what if he's still with
the white power movement?
595
00:24:04,738 --> 00:24:06,840
- I was going to be in Prague for a week,
596
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,000
'cause that gives me girl
time with my twin sister
597
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,790
and we can talk late and cook popcorn
598
00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:13,610
and do all kinds of noisy things
599
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:15,970
and besides, she likes
cooking on my stove.
600
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:18,550
And I know that I get
Southern fried chicken.
601
00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:20,470
I provide the stove and the gas.
602
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:22,113
She cooks and I eat.
603
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,280
It's a great combination.
604
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,780
It's a win all the way around.
605
00:24:27,047 --> 00:24:29,047
- All right mom, I'm out of here.
606
00:24:30,050 --> 00:24:31,855
- John, do you want some extra cookies
607
00:24:31,855 --> 00:24:33,316
with you to eat along the way?
608
00:24:33,316 --> 00:24:34,969
- No thank you, I'll get
something at the airport.
609
00:24:34,969 --> 00:24:36,193
But at least give me a hug.
610
00:24:38,679 --> 00:24:40,021
God bless.
611
00:24:56,668 --> 00:24:59,080
First things first.
612
00:25:01,090 --> 00:25:03,420
I need to call home and let
'em know that I'm alive.
613
00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:04,253
That I made it.
614
00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:07,120
It's not letting me call out.
615
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,674
It's not letting me call anybody.
616
00:25:10,459 --> 00:25:12,880
I got it set up for Wi-Fi.
617
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,934
For some reason, it's not doing it.
618
00:25:20,124 --> 00:25:22,320
I trust that this is the real deal.
619
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,710
This isn't anything else.
620
00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:26,760
I'm already looking out,
621
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,030
to see if anybody's looking at me
622
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:30,223
harder than they should.
623
00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:35,410
Harder than I feel they should.
624
00:25:37,090 --> 00:25:40,573
Am I gonna meet somebody with
long sleeves, hiding tattoos,
625
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:43,250
a weird haircut?
626
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:47,830
Am I gonna meet just a normal citizen?
627
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:49,880
- It was a long road
628
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,600
coming out of the skinhead movement.
629
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,660
I'm not going to lie.
630
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:54,590
It was a long road to where coming back
631
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:55,770
to what I thought was
632
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,470
like everybody else 'cause
I never felt normal.
633
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:00,320
I never felt welcomed.
634
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,830
I never felt like I was one of the gang
635
00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:04,390
or I was like other people.
636
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:05,523
I always felt it,
637
00:26:07,154 --> 00:26:09,500
there was something different
about me or I wasn't right.
638
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,340
John and I were quite close
639
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:12,660
right up until the attack.
640
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,250
I was actually getting more involved
641
00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:16,270
with the skinheads locally.
642
00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:17,690
And then after that happened,
643
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:20,590
those same skinheads that I
just started hanging out with,
644
00:26:21,444 --> 00:26:23,430
branded me a Jew-lover.
645
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:25,670
So as soon as I graduated high school,
646
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:26,920
I was gone from Ocala.
647
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,500
because I was really afraid
of what they might do to me,
648
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,370
thinking I might be
the next guy, you know,
649
00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:33,290
to get a boot party
650
00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:35,770
or maybe stabbed in a
parking lot somewhere,
651
00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:37,570
just for being associated with John.
652
00:26:40,397 --> 00:26:41,853
- What are you hoping for?
653
00:26:47,346 --> 00:26:48,179
- What's up?
654
00:26:48,179 --> 00:26:49,012
How are you?
- I'm great.
655
00:26:49,012 --> 00:26:50,782
Good to see you.
- Same.
656
00:26:50,782 --> 00:26:52,617
- All right, let me see your scar.
657
00:26:52,617 --> 00:26:54,241
Where's the scar?
658
00:26:54,241 --> 00:26:55,540
It's huge.
659
00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:58,123
My name's Kevin Connell
and I'm a sommelier.
660
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,550
My brother was hated, was
a known racist to blacks,
661
00:27:03,550 --> 00:27:04,600
but they were scared of him
662
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,750
'cause he was a pretty big violent guy.
663
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:07,800
Because they couldn't
664
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,560
or wouldn't do anything to my brother,
665
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,830
I was a prime target.
666
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:15,320
I was 14 and my brother
had graduated high school.
667
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,960
And I was attacked by no more than six,
668
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,523
no less than four,
669
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,543
black youths.
670
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,793
They crushed my orbit socket,
my nose, broke my jaw.
671
00:27:29,208 --> 00:27:30,633
I had a cerebral hematoma,
672
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:33,840
with the right frontal lobe.
673
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,940
They had to drill a hole,
put a catheter in my skull.
674
00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:37,810
So things were pretty rough.
675
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:40,430
I was in the hospital for several months.
676
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:43,910
After that, I was enrolled
in a special school
677
00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:46,593
for problem children even
though, I had done nothing wrong.
678
00:27:48,857 --> 00:27:50,583
But while I was in the hospital,
679
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:54,160
the local skinheads had
found out what happened.
680
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,090
And they were the only
people to come visit me.
681
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:57,340
But there were the people that showed me
682
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:58,810
that I didn't have to be scared anymore.
683
00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,270
I got involved in the movement,
684
00:28:00,270 --> 00:28:01,450
Joseph Goebbels.
685
00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:02,870
I read his biography.
686
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:05,690
You know, it also has
his journal that he kept.
687
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:07,680
And he talks about when
he was a child, you know,
688
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,540
being ostracized and being lonely.
689
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,370
And his story really hit home with me.
690
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:14,823
And then I read Mein Kampf and you know,
691
00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:16,380
I was never a big guy,
692
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:18,420
but I was always a smart guy.
693
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,680
So I learned, if I was
smarter than everybody else,
694
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,730
they would protect me.
695
00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:24,190
You know, I grew up in a household
696
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:25,490
where we moved almost every year.
697
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:28,230
My father worked for Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms.
698
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:29,400
So I lived all over the country.
699
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,430
By the time I was 13,
we'd lived in 11 cities.
700
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:35,950
So I never really had any
close friends, my whole life.
701
00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:37,830
So it was nice to have people
702
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:40,080
that I didn't care about
that cared about me.
703
00:28:40,942 --> 00:28:44,260
And then my parents moved to Ocala
704
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:46,730
because of my involvement
with the skinheads.
705
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:48,320
Second day at school, I met you
706
00:28:49,922 --> 00:28:53,593
and it just kind of kept
snowballing from there.
707
00:28:53,593 --> 00:28:56,300
And then John's attack happened
pretty quickly after that,
708
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,860
I'd say, less than nine months after that.
709
00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:01,280
It was the day or the day before.
710
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,260
And I didn't know that he was
going to meet with the guys
711
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:05,950
and he thought he was getting a promotion
712
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:08,070
and was moving up even further he ladder.
713
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:09,363
He was quite excited.
714
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:14,740
And when I learned about it,
715
00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:15,860
I didn't believe it at first,
716
00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:17,700
'cause I'm like, John's not Jewish.
717
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:19,050
I've been to his house.
718
00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:20,870
I met his parents.
719
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:22,113
They're not Jewish.
720
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:24,950
There have a cross or
something somewhere there,
721
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:25,810
I remember thinking.
722
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:27,500
I'm like, they can't be Jewish.
723
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,363
They're wrong.
724
00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:30,570
And then as it unfolded
725
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,950
and John pretty much
disappeared for a while.
726
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:36,983
As it unfolded and it made
the newspapers and whatnot,
727
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:40,690
there was no denying it
728
00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:43,783
that John was definitely Jewish.
729
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:47,340
And John had been pulling the wool
730
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,610
over a lot of people's eyes
731
00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:50,800
and doing a fantastic job
732
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,640
and feeding 'em lines of shit.
733
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,240
And they were just eating it up.
734
00:29:55,530 --> 00:30:00,530
'Cause he was good at being
thoughtful and maniacal,
735
00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:01,567
all at the same time.
736
00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:03,070
And I still don't even understand
737
00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:04,590
how everyone else found out
738
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:07,483
'cause he was so good about
not letting people know,
739
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,380
'cause he always had an answer
for everything.
740
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:14,540
So I find it hard to believe
741
00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:16,910
that somebody saw through the facade
742
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:20,000
or somebody figured it out on their own.
743
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,980
To this day, I'd like to
ask him exactly, you know.
744
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:25,973
I know that it was a mutual
skinhead that we knew,
745
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:29,803
wife and mother of his child at the time,
746
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,043
that threw him under the bus per se.
747
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,637
But I don't know how she found out.
748
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:42,640
Keep taking a left,
you'll find the bathroom.
749
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,530
- Keep taking left.
750
00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:47,010
I found it!
751
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:47,843
Let's hit the streets.
752
00:30:47,843 --> 00:30:50,640
See how much trouble we can
not get into, hopefully.
753
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,473
Hopefully.
754
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:57,010
How did you get in there?
755
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:59,063
So it's closed?
756
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,240
- I'd been trying to find John on Facebook
757
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,850
for quite some time.
758
00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:06,750
I literally had to find
everybody else from Ocala
759
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:08,710
and make friends with them
until I found somebody
760
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:09,947
who was friends with John.
761
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:17,680
Risotto arborio with carrots,
762
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,820
zucchini, shallots and parmesean.
763
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:20,653
- Yeah, let's do it.
764
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:22,580
Yeah.
- Yeah, I'm down.
765
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:24,070
Nice and eclectic.
766
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,060
Looks like they have decent beers.
767
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:29,850
The easiest way to recruit
people into the skinhead movement
768
00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:31,620
and the white supremacy movement
769
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:33,210
is people that are just outside,
770
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:34,650
they're right on the fringe,
771
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:36,680
that are trying to put
their foot into a clique
772
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,230
or they're trying to belong.
773
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,170
They're trying to make friends.
774
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:42,620
They're slightly geeky,
slightly, not everybody,
775
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:43,773
not like everyone else.
776
00:31:46,475 --> 00:31:48,060
Because when you show
people a little bit of power
777
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,053
and you show people loyalty,
778
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:52,640
you'd be surprised what
they'll do for you.
779
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,270
- And what they do is they go through
780
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,970
and they take all of your
failures in your life
781
00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:58,240
and say, no, no, no, no,
782
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,073
it wasn't a failure.
783
00:31:59,073 --> 00:32:01,000
It's a conspiracy.
784
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,230
And they build this
conspiracy slowly but surely
785
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:05,900
and strong enough that
you really buy into it.
786
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,990
And then you're like, I am at war.
787
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:10,910
And these people that are
trying to do this to me,
788
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:12,913
my culture, my family, my race,
789
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:14,710
need to be destroyed.
790
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:17,100
And you really feel like
you're doing something
791
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,170
for the betterment of society, your race,
792
00:32:20,170 --> 00:32:21,990
because all they want to
do is destroy your race
793
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:23,240
and bring your race down.
794
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,910
And once you've got somebody
like that, you've got,
795
00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:28,890
you've got a Holy warrior,
you've got a terrorist.
796
00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:30,760
- So it all starts at the top.
797
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,210
And I was at the very bottom,
798
00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:34,323
but by recruiting,
799
00:32:34,323 --> 00:32:35,510
you're moving up
800
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:36,980
and then all those
people are at the bottom.
801
00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:38,640
As they recruit, they move up.
802
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,460
So it's a mentality and ideology
803
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,373
and a movement perpetuates itself,
804
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,290
preying upon the weak, the downtrodden,
805
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:47,630
nobody's ever getting into the movement
806
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:49,400
than somebody that's been bullied
807
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,050
because you have all these people
808
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:56,480
that you think are like-minded
that will defend you.
809
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,530
And that's one thing that I will say,
810
00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:00,190
that skinheads are quick to violence
811
00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:02,310
and quick to defend their own.
812
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:05,280
Not too far from here in
Prague, there was a, you know,
813
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,130
basically an interment camp
814
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:09,330
where the Czech Republic
funneled, you know,
815
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:12,490
several hundred thousand
of their Jews through,
816
00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:15,653
sent them off to further
Eastern Europe to be.
817
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:18,773
- Eradicated?
- Exactly.
818
00:33:18,773 --> 00:33:20,400
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
819
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840
- I wanted to go and pay my respects
820
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,270
to all those who lost their lives
821
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,133
at the hands of the Third Reich.
822
00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:29,040
And I wouldn't want to do it with anybody
823
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,960
other than John, honestly.
824
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,200
You know, horrible atrocities
825
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640
that affected millions
and millions of people.
826
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,850
And this is the ideology
827
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:42,230
that I live by for four years of my life.
828
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:44,720
- His journey, in a sense,
is harder than mine.
829
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,140
Being Jewish, I had something to turn to.
830
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,033
He didn't.
831
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,410
He left something that was
like a family-type relationship
832
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,260
and moved back into the real world.
833
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,093
- Living in Israel,
834
00:33:56,093 --> 00:33:57,700
he finally feels at home and he feels
835
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,830
like he's with his people
836
00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:01,590
and leading with this,
837
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:03,830
I know that, that's something
I'd like to feel in life.
838
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:06,320
You know, I'd like to feel
that I do belong to something
839
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,540
and I have something to look forward to
840
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:11,230
and have something to believe in.
841
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:12,980
I'm not sure what it's going to be.
842
00:34:14,698 --> 00:34:17,950
I used to consider myself to
be a real American Patriot,
843
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:19,080
but I don't like the direction
844
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,913
that my country is going, a whole lot.
845
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,720
- And I will wear my Yarmulke,
846
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,763
my Kippah, as we call it in Hebrew.
847
00:34:28,763 --> 00:34:29,763
- Kippah?
- Kippah.
848
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,526
Yarmulke is Yiddish, Kippah is Hebrew.
849
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:43,110
- Well earlier, as we pulled in,
850
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:46,379
I kind of became overwhelmed with emotion.
851
00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:49,010
I started shaking and then,
as I went into the laboratory,
852
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:51,863
a few moments ago, I did get sick.
853
00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:55,890
- Wow.
854
00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:57,320
- Going into
the camp, it makes it,
855
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,823
it's like putting a face with a name.
856
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:02,160
It's no longer, you know,
857
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,920
old reels that you see on TV
programs and documentaries,
858
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,270
you know, written by some
guy who wasn't there.
859
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:12,799
It's not a page from a
history book, it's real.
860
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,600
Tikkun Olam is doing what
you can to fix the world,
861
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,720
to the best of your ability.
862
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,940
And that just starts with you
863
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:22,010
and the way that you live
your life and who you are,
864
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:23,470
which what you're doing now is,
865
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:24,700
Tikkun Olam, you're going back
866
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,210
and fixing some of the wrongs.
867
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:27,043
- Trying to.
868
00:35:27,043 --> 00:35:28,850
- You can at one
point, stop it and say,
869
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:30,730
that's enough.
870
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:33,168
Things need to be different.
- And they do.
871
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,250
- More than 1500 Jews were in
prison in this small fortress.
872
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:41,730
Their destiny was worst of
all, the groups of prisoners.
873
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:44,920
About 500 from them were
tortured to death here.
874
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,960
Most others perished,
875
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,550
after the deportations to
the concentration camps.
876
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:52,140
- 1500 people of the
Jewish faith died there?
877
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:53,910
I find that hard to believe.
878
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:57,140
The Nazis were really
avid and real go-getters.
879
00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:00,222
This was a transit camp as well,
880
00:36:00,222 --> 00:36:01,055
where people were coming,
881
00:36:01,055 --> 00:36:02,860
merely coming in to wait for the train
882
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,116
to go off to the East-
- Take 'em somewhere else.
883
00:36:05,116 --> 00:36:08,790
- To
Auschwitz and Ireland.
884
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:11,480
This was just merely a
stop on their voyage.
885
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,940
- What you wrote in the book,
886
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:17,200
the guest book,
887
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,850
what did you write?
- I'm sorry.
888
00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:22,150
- I wanted to come to room 18
889
00:36:25,742 --> 00:36:28,477
because 18 in Judaism means life.
890
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:31,480
It's playing with the,
891
00:36:32,534 --> 00:36:34,350
the way that we count the numbers-
892
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:36,273
- The letters of the alphabet?
- Exactly.
893
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:39,130
- So I wanted to see where room 18 was.
894
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:41,070
It says, the mortuary where the bodies
895
00:36:41,070 --> 00:36:43,140
of prisoners tortured
to death, were stored.
896
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:44,640
Starting at the end of 42,
897
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,600
dead bodies were cremated
in Terrace's Crematorium
898
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,031
of the Jewish ghetto.
899
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:53,850
But for skinheads, this is also has a-
900
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:56,030
- Yeah, they've kind of stolen
it and made it their own.
901
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:59,290
- Yeah.
- First letter is A.
902
00:36:59,290 --> 00:37:01,190
- For Adolph?
- And the second letter.
903
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:02,270
- H.
- For Hitler.
904
00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:04,994
- Is the H letter, H is the
eight letter of the alphabet.
905
00:37:04,994 --> 00:37:05,827
- With the skinheads,
we do it with the blood,
906
00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:07,887
have a red circle around it.
907
00:37:07,887 --> 00:37:09,150
- Adolph Hitler.
908
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:10,900
- I mean, I'm still, not gonna lie.
909
00:37:12,024 --> 00:37:14,493
I'm still afraid of a large
group of black people.
910
00:37:16,122 --> 00:37:17,720
And I know that's still
a little bit crazy,
911
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,740
but I'm still very hypervigilant, as well.
912
00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:22,340
There's just certain things that
913
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,400
I don't feel that I can turn my back on
914
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,830
because I mean,
915
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:31,080
if it's happened more
than a couple of times,
916
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,630
you should learn from your mistakes.
917
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:38,420
- I'll admit that I do have
certain animosity within me,
918
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:41,010
but when I would be asked,
919
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:42,033
if I've forgiven the skinhead guys
920
00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,923
that tried to take my life,
921
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200
I would say, it's the best
thing that happened to me
922
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,240
because it gave me life.
923
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,090
It taught me to value life
and the sanctity of life.
924
00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:54,530
- We walked through a
500 meter long tunnel.
925
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:56,350
There were several spots
as we walked through
926
00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:57,990
where the temperature seemed to drop
927
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:59,900
and get very, very cold.
928
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,200
It was almost like there
was electricity in the air.
929
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920
All the hair on my body would stand up
930
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,940
and just to take it in and to know
931
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:08,470
that almost everyone that
walked through that tunnel,
932
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:09,503
didn't walk back.
933
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:11,768
It was a lot to take in.
934
00:38:13,684 --> 00:38:15,257
- You all right, Kevin?
- Yeah.
935
00:38:15,257 --> 00:38:18,200
I don't even know what's
happening inside of me.
936
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,490
- If you were going to die
937
00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:21,323
and you knew it,
938
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,053
there's something known as
the Mortars Prayer, okay.
939
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:30,163
Here is what the Lord,
your God, the Lord is one.
940
00:38:31,612 --> 00:38:32,912
And that is something that
941
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,620
I'm sure this hallway's
heard more than once.
942
00:38:51,752 --> 00:38:53,460
- It would be torture,
just to be led down this,
943
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,210
not knowing what was going to happen.
944
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:56,960
- Your brain tries to rationalize
945
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,060
how what's happening, isn't happening.
946
00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:59,893
- Right.
947
00:38:59,893 --> 00:39:00,911
- That somehow I'm going to live,
948
00:39:00,911 --> 00:39:02,470
that somehow I'm going to survive.
949
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:03,620
And from fights you've been in
950
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:05,520
and attacks you've gone through,
951
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,262
I'm sure your brain is
saying the exact same thing.
952
00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:09,040
Yeah.
953
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,400
- That way you
close off the outside world
954
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,343
and you turn in.
955
00:39:13,772 --> 00:39:15,890
You know it.
- This, isn't happening to me.
956
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:16,869
- This isn't real.
957
00:39:16,869 --> 00:39:17,782
- I'm going to live through this.
958
00:39:17,782 --> 00:39:19,950
- I'm gonna wake up
and I'm going to be fine.
959
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:21,570
- That your brain is so arrogant,
960
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:23,610
the one thing that it can't say is
961
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:26,340
I'm not going to survive this.
- Yeah.
962
00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:27,890
- And the moment,
a peace that hit me
963
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:31,673
when I was attacked by
the skins, was just,
964
00:39:33,236 --> 00:39:34,851
when I came to the ultimate understanding
965
00:39:34,851 --> 00:39:37,388
and conclusion that I wasn't
gonna make it out of it.
966
00:39:37,388 --> 00:39:39,760
And then it was just like
my brain just relaxed.
967
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,940
Really, you know how it is.
- Yeah, I mean-
968
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:43,770
- A situation like
that, you just want to go home.
969
00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:46,260
- Right, you just
want your bed and your mom.
970
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:47,093
- Yeah and when you go,
971
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,478
you want to go to where you feel safe.
972
00:39:49,478 --> 00:39:51,478
And at that moment, I did not feel safe.
973
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:54,770
And I knew enough cops that were involved
974
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:56,787
in the white power movement that-
975
00:39:56,787 --> 00:39:59,710
- They're not
the best people to go to
976
00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,823
in that kind of situation.
- No.
977
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,403
- I mean that whole
part of central Florida,
978
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,123
as we know,
979
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:11,050
most of the sheriff's department
980
00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:12,520
were in the Ku Klux Klan
981
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,040
and probably still are.
- I wouldn't doubt it.
982
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,873
- At one time,
983
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:19,400
after I was out of the skinheads,
984
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,680
for quite a while,
985
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,930
I was arrested and thrown in
jail for what Kevin does best,
986
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:27,310
being a smart ass and drunk
987
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:31,090
and not listening to authority.
988
00:40:31,090 --> 00:40:33,100
I've always had a problem with authority.
989
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,550
And I wound up in jail for,
990
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:38,623
not a long time, but enough time.
991
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:42,493
And I still had not covered
up all of my tattoos.
992
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,710
And one of the tattoos
I had was quite vulgar
993
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:47,803
and quite hateful.
994
00:40:50,389 --> 00:40:51,390
And there are symbols that anybody
995
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:53,210
in the white supremacist world knows
996
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:56,323
and instantly sees and
instantly knows what it means.
997
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080
And it was not anything I
still believed in, of course,
998
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,410
but it was still tattooed on me
999
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:06,180
and I couldn't make it go away.
1000
00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:08,570
And I wound up in a cell block
1001
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,620
with someone from the Aryan brotherhood
1002
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:16,920
who had just violated
parole and was about to be
1003
00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:20,240
before the judge to be re-sentenced,
1004
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,163
to go back to prison, most likely.
1005
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:25,250
And I've never been more afraid
1006
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:27,230
for myself because I knew
1007
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,670
that I was going to tell the truth.
1008
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:31,150
And that I was going to say my peace
1009
00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:34,640
and let him know that, that's
not who I am any longer.
1010
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,990
And I don't agree with you.
1011
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:39,513
It was honestly, probably,
1012
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:42,260
the scariest 48 hours
1013
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:44,940
until I was moved and became a trustee
1014
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:47,090
and was moved to a different cell block
1015
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:49,240
since I was a skinhead.
1016
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,440
I'd never been, I hadn't
been that scared in
1017
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,733
15 years.
1018
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,493
It brought it home to know that,
1019
00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:01,860
I didn't cover up the tattoos
'cause I wanted to remember,
1020
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:03,360
you know, how stupid I was
1021
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:06,410
and I wore them
1022
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:11,000
so that I didn't forget,
1023
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160
not about anybody else,
but so I didn't forget.
1024
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,410
But after that experience,
I felt it was time
1025
00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:21,200
to not hurt anybody else
1026
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,030
with the images that I had on my body.
1027
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:24,060
And it wasn't even about me.
1028
00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:25,230
It was about other people
1029
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:27,880
and about sending a message
that I didn't believe in.
1030
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,250
So it can be very hard to
walk away from your past.
1031
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:37,830
And that really hit home.
1032
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:39,200
And that was when I truly
1033
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:43,550
started thinking about the future,
1034
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:45,360
which was something I had
really never thought about.
1035
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,530
I kept living in the past
1036
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:48,920
and that was like one of
the clarifying moments,
1037
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,873
knowing that moving forward,
I still have to have a life.
1038
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:54,354
Oh my God.
1039
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,980
When we went all the
way through the tunnel
1040
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:01,290
and around to the corner
1041
00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:04,530
and headed down the little
hill and I saw three crosses
1042
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:05,990
and there was a tour group
1043
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:08,370
and the woman was speaking in English.
1044
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:10,950
They had mentioned that this
is where the soldiers lied
1045
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:15,240
when this was still just
a military installation
1046
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,930
and used this embankment
for target practice.
1047
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:20,270
But after the Third
Reich had taken over it
1048
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:24,090
and occupied and was using the camp
1049
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:26,370
as a transit camp
1050
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,030
and a death camp,
1051
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:33,560
that's where these people
have walked and been executed
1052
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,072
or walked and be hung.
1053
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:39,610
It was emptying.
1054
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:40,850
I don't know how else to describe it.
1055
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:42,750
It took what little bit of
1056
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,820
okay feeling I had inside
of me and stripped it out
1057
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,913
and let me know that it's real.
1058
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:50,760
None of those people came back.
1059
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:53,590
And this is where they met their end.
1060
00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:55,495
It was very real, very real.
1061
00:43:55,495 --> 00:43:58,253
Those who weren't tortured,
of course, were executed here?
1062
00:43:58,253 --> 00:43:59,121
- Hmm hmm.
1063
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,400
I don't know if you'd like
to come over here, as well.
1064
00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:12,000
- I mean, every person
that wound up there,
1065
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:16,350
wasn't there for anything they did
1066
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:17,863
besides for being themselves,
1067
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:20,740
being people of the Earth,
1068
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:21,903
living their lives.
1069
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:26,010
It's a heavy burden to carry, you know,
1070
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:29,120
knowing that I preached the same nonsense
1071
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,020
to a lot of people
1072
00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:35,203
and convinced a lot of
people that it was right.
1073
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,540
I should feel ashamed.
1074
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:42,770
I'm gonna try to do
right from this point on.
1075
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:44,763
- Oh, this is a huge, huge step.
1076
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:49,220
- There are a few places
that John and I had stopped.
1077
00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:52,280
And John brought some stones
that I'd asked him to bring me
1078
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:56,750
from Jerusalem
1079
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:59,713
because I thought Jerusalem,
being the Holy city,
1080
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:07,110
and the Holiest place to the Jewish faith,
1081
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:08,862
and none of these people made it there.
1082
00:45:08,862 --> 00:45:10,907
You know, it was right around the corner.
1083
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,740
- May the memories
be for a blessing.
1084
00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:16,330
May they always be remembered.
1085
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:22,660
- And I walked through
all of the gravestones
1086
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,907
and I found only one gravestone
that didn't have a rock on.
1087
00:45:24,907 --> 00:45:26,450
And I made sure I put a rock there.
1088
00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:28,823
So everybody knows that
they're not alone now.
1089
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:31,450
And the thing that really hit me is
1090
00:45:31,450 --> 00:45:32,930
about a third of them were just numbers.
1091
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:34,590
They didn't have names.
1092
00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:36,680
So there was just bodies in the ground.
1093
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,870
And it makes you think about
their entire communities
1094
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,120
and entire families and entire villages
1095
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:44,165
that were completely wiped out.
1096
00:45:44,165 --> 00:45:45,200
And there was nobody to remember.
1097
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,301
And nobody to tell
anybody that it happened.
1098
00:45:54,873 --> 00:45:58,060
- Yeah, a little
light serve as a reminder
1099
00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:00,513
of all the lights that were snuffed out,
1100
00:46:03,605 --> 00:46:04,610
at this horrible place,
1101
00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:07,583
near the horrible camps around Europe.
1102
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,770
Another stone from Jerusalem?
1103
00:46:19,288 --> 00:46:20,763
- I want a rock, for home.
1104
00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:25,720
It's been quite the day, John.
- It has.
1105
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,010
- Once you realize that hatred
is just fear of the unknown
1106
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:31,363
and fear of yourself,
1107
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:36,240
it doesn't take long
1108
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,710
to want to see the truth
1109
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:40,283
and want to see humanity
for what it's worth.
1110
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:43,370
Along this voyage, I've
also come to the conclusion
1111
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:44,940
that there are more bad people
1112
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:46,750
than there are good people in the world.
1113
00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:47,850
And I was one of them.
1114
00:46:49,197 --> 00:46:51,820
I can't undo what I've done.
1115
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:53,410
I can't undo what I've said.
1116
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:56,077
But I can try to stop it.
1117
00:46:56,077 --> 00:46:58,640
And I can do my best
1118
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,280
to try to educate people to the truths,
1119
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,623
that ignorance and fear breed hatred.
1120
00:47:07,496 --> 00:47:09,046
And we don't have to be afraid.
1121
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,310
- I noticed that Kevin kept some of his,
1122
00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:13,850
the stones that he had.
1123
00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:16,160
And I asked him, as we discussed it,
1124
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,230
what to do with those stones.
1125
00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:20,060
He said that if you ever visit
a place like this, again,
1126
00:47:20,060 --> 00:47:21,233
he wanted to have some.
1127
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,000
- I was thinking to go to Auschwitz.
1128
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:29,080
- Why exactly Auschwitz, of all places?
1129
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,470
- Over a million people
died there, that I know of.
1130
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:33,820
- One million, one hundred thousand.
1131
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:36,310
- Yeah, that they know of.
- They know of.
1132
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:37,550
Would you be willing to be awake
1133
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:40,080
at quarter to five in
the morning tomorrow?
1134
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,380
- Four?
1135
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:42,213
- Four.
1136
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,410
You said, of all the
places you could visit,
1137
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:58,840
you'd like to go to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
1138
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,290
- My body doesn't want me to go.
1139
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:02,400
I'm serious.
1140
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,410
- I had to take a moment in
the parking lot just to sit
1141
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:07,790
and try and catch my breath,
1142
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:10,700
from breaking down, realizing where I was.
1143
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,680
Going into brain surgery
was easier than this.
1144
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:21,927
As soon as we crossed
through the entryway,
1145
00:48:21,927 --> 00:48:22,760
to Auschwitz,
1146
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,900
Kevin fell on my shoulder.
1147
00:48:30,385 --> 00:48:31,281
Crying.
1148
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:41,323
He kept repeating, I'm sorry.
1149
00:48:41,323 --> 00:48:43,198
I'm so, so sorry.
1150
00:48:51,301 --> 00:48:54,676
Just the thought that I had raised my arm
1151
00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:55,943
and that a cursed symbol,
1152
00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:02,041
of the Sieg Heil.
1153
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:08,203
As we were walking through Auschwitz,
1154
00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:13,773
and we came to the destroyed gas chambers
1155
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,660
and it was quite literally
the end of the line.
1156
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:21,940
That was where the
railroad tracks stopped.
1157
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:24,350
But coming to the end of that line was
1158
00:49:25,850 --> 00:49:26,940
part of a spiritual journey
1159
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:29,270
that I've been on for over 20 years.
1160
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:31,170
And that Kevin's been on for 20 years.
1161
00:49:32,655 --> 00:49:35,100
It's part of our national Anthem,
1162
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,784
singing about the Jerusalem
or dream of 2000 years.
1163
00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:17,980
If you go down here and walk down,
1164
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:19,880
there's one building standing.
1165
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,170
It's the last building remaining
1166
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:22,640
from those, from Terezin,
1167
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,042
which is where we were yesterday.
1168
00:50:24,042 --> 00:50:25,630
Everything you see up and down this road
1169
00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:28,270
on both sides are people
that sent here, from there.
1170
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:29,430
And so when you said yesterday
1171
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:31,310
that you felt like the numbers were off.
1172
00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:33,373
- They came here?
- I would say you were right.
1173
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,620
What bothers me, is this
place just goes on for,
1174
00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:01,913
forever and ever.
1175
00:51:03,050 --> 00:51:03,883
You're entering a courtyard
1176
00:51:03,883 --> 00:51:05,356
where the Auschwitz murdered
thousands of people.
1177
00:51:05,356 --> 00:51:07,000
Please maintain silence here.
1178
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,781
Remember their suffering and
show respect for their memory.
1179
00:51:40,183 --> 00:51:41,730
I often wonder if,
1180
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:43,523
if God chose wisely with me.
1181
00:51:44,937 --> 00:51:46,810
Why did I, a punk little 17-year-old kid
1182
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:48,331
deserve an extra chance?
1183
00:51:50,263 --> 00:51:51,348
I want to go to the gas chambers.
1184
00:53:27,853 --> 00:53:30,010
- Very inspiring,
for real, thanks man.
1185
00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:31,067
- What are you thank you me for?
1186
00:53:31,067 --> 00:53:32,430
You made this happen.
1187
00:53:34,245 --> 00:53:35,880
- It was probably one of the
most life changing events
1188
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,530
of my life, I'm not going to lie.
1189
00:53:38,555 --> 00:53:40,723
It's going to take a long
time to take all this in.
1190
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:46,760
I feel a little cleaner inside.
1191
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,707
Then again, I have all this
emotion, all this hate,
1192
00:53:48,707 --> 00:53:50,070
and I don't want it to be hate
1193
00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:51,520
'cause I don't have anybody to hate.
1194
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,353
I was angry.
1195
00:53:52,353 --> 00:53:53,890
I had no place to project it.
1196
00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:56,500
I've never in my life
had to process something
1197
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,060
and I've always, it's always,
1198
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:00,360
hey, okay, let's move on, next thing.
1199
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,840
This is something that's
bigger than me, beyond me.
1200
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,240
It's going to take me a
long time to understand.
1201
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:09,915
I think more people should come.
1202
00:54:09,915 --> 00:54:10,785
- Thank you.
1203
00:54:10,785 --> 00:54:12,699
Without you, this wouldn't have happened.
1204
00:54:22,986 --> 00:54:25,160
- When I think about
going through the trial
1205
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,330
and how friends, so-called friends,
1206
00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:29,430
because you all were tight,
1207
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:30,820
you believed the same thing.
1208
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:32,530
You had each other's backs.
- Like brothers.
1209
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:34,043
- All of you were brainwashed,
1210
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:36,630
but they were brainwashed
1211
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:38,450
where they were ready to kill a brother
1212
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:39,573
because he was a Jew.
1213
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:43,980
I don't whether education
would make a difference,
1214
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,130
but most of them would
drop out from school.
1215
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:48,510
They weren't interested in education.
1216
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:51,533
And the end result was you dying,
1217
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:56,980
and winding up at your
own end of the line.
1218
00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:58,963
And it was an end of the line for you.
1219
00:55:01,220 --> 00:55:03,320
But it was the end of the line for us too,
1220
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:06,170
your mom and dad
1221
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:08,320
and your brothers and
what we went through.
1222
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,673
Our lives were turned upside down.
1223
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,340
I don't want to go
through that ever again.
1224
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:17,420
I can't think of anything worse
1225
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,203
than a family to have to go
through something like that.
1226
00:55:24,314 --> 00:55:25,914
- Have I ever apologized to you?
1227
00:55:28,501 --> 00:55:30,903
- No , no.
1228
00:55:39,542 --> 00:55:44,037
- I'm sorry.
1229
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,763
- John's story is a story of hope,
1230
00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:59,350
a story of victory,
1231
00:55:59,350 --> 00:56:00,350
the whole story of his life.
1232
00:56:00,350 --> 00:56:02,500
This is just one little
segment of his life.
1233
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:05,810
The whole story of John's life is amazing.
1234
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:08,350
And I think people need to know
1235
00:56:08,350 --> 00:56:11,160
what a great man and how
many great things he's done
1236
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,650
from where he came and to where he is.
1237
00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:16,500
And whatever I can do to help him,
1238
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,730
I would do.
1239
00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:21,300
- The families I've met that
are either going through,
1240
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:22,930
that have a child like I was,
1241
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:26,480
not only a Jewish family,
but say like, like Kevin.
1242
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,830
We have a child that's involved
in a racist organization.
1243
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:29,930
What do I do?
1244
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:31,570
The answer is always love them.
1245
00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:34,370
Make them feel like they
have a place to come back to.
1246
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:36,480
Many times over the years,
people have asked me,
1247
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,960
why do you think you survived?
1248
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,410
And I definitely know that I survived
1249
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:42,180
because God decided it
wasn't my time to go.
1250
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:43,710
And I've tried ever since then
1251
00:56:44,851 --> 00:56:46,800
to try and improve
myself as a human being.
1252
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,660
And when I came back to society
1253
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:51,060
and be ready and available,
1254
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,770
just to talk to people about the ability
1255
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:54,100
and the power of change.
1256
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,300
It is possible to change.
1257
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,087
It as possible to become somebody else.
1258
00:56:57,087 --> 00:56:58,810
And I know some of the
people that were involved
1259
00:56:58,810 --> 00:57:00,970
in my attack have changed for the better.
1260
00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:03,203
I know some have more
or less stayed the same.
1261
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,120
You can't really expect society to change.
1262
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,070
It begins with you.
90015
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