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Oh, Christ, I don't believe it.
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Mike?
Mike!
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Jesus Christ! Hey!
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Incoming!
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Starring Robert De Niro
and Christopher Walken,
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and directed by Michael Cimino,
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The Deer Hunter can lay claim
to have invented a genre.
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I mean, I think in some ways,
looking back now,
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I think it's almost as remarkable
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that this film got made
so soon after the war ended.
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Because, try to imagine,
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this was a defeat
at arms of America.
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It wasn't that America, somehow,
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attritionally had to pull
out a few troops,
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this was defeat.
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Helicopters lifting
off the American Embassy,
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people scrambling for safety.
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So the sense of national humiliation
was very high.
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I think it would've been untouchable
before, during the war itself.
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I think the filmmakers
would have been eviscerated
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for lack of patriotism.
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Told from the perspective
of ordinary men,
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here was a radical new way
of depicting war on screen.
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A film about the damage done
to the bodies,
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minds, and souls of those who fought.
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The political was wrapped
up in the personal.
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The Vietnam movie was born.
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Released in 1978,
The Deer Hunter became a sensation.
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A huge box office hit
that swept America off its feet,
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winning five Oscars.
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But the film was more than simply
a commercial and artistic success.
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Before The Deer Hunter, what was
Hollywood's attitude toward Vietnam?
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Did such a thing
as the Vietnam film even exist?
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I think it took Hollywood
a few years for the dust to settle,
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for the evacuation of Saigon in '75,
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to really start making films
seriously about the war.
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And in fact, there was only
one feature film made in Hollywood
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about the war during the war,
and that was in 1968,
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and it was John Wayne's film
The Green Berets.
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An extremely militaristic,
pro-US-intervention film,
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and not really attached
to any of the actual realities
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of what we'd expect
from the Vietnam war film today,
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which we might think about
with The Deer Hunter.
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There were
a few documentaries being made
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that were more on the anti-war side,
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things like Hearts and Minds
in 1974,
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which won Best Documentary
at the Oscars.
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But it was more of a thing
that was not explicitly mentioned.
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'Before the parade,
mass draft-card burning was urged.
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Demonstrators claimed
200 cards were burned,
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but no accurate count
could be determined.
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Reporters and onlookers
were jostled away on purpose.
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Although mostly peaceful,
shouted confrontations were frequent
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and fiery during the course
of the march.
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The anti-war marchers were picketed
by anti-anti-war marchers,
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who were hawkish
toward the parading doves.'
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Before The Deer Hunter came along,
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Hollywood was very nervous about
making films about the Vietnam War.
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It'd been going on for 20 years,
and in that time of course,
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it was very, very contentious
with the American public.
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John Wayne decided
that he wanted to make a film
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which was pretty well
a sort of propaganda movie,
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to boost the morale of the troops.
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And also to give the folks back home
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an idea of what was happening
over there.
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Of course,
this was very, very designed
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to bring everybody up
as opposed to keeping them down.
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There was one other film, actually,
made in 1972 called Limbo,
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which was about the wives who were
left behind, the military wives,
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waiting for their men, whether
they were going to come back or not.
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That didn't do very well either,
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but those are
the only two extant movies
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from the period when the Vietnam War
was actually happening.
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We are, in Christian Action,
convinced that the war in Vietnam
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is an offence
to all people of goodwill.
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That it should and must be brought
to an end at once.
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And that the British government...
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..should be persuaded to do
everything it possibly can...
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..to get the dispute
out of the hands of the military,
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and into the conference room.
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There were a couple of films
which were allegories, I guess.
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If you think
the Rob Altman's M*A*S*H
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was ostensibly about the Korean War,
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but it was very clearly technically
about the Vietnam War.
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But really,
Hollywood didn't want to go into it.
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It felt that it was divisive,
it was unpopular,
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and that making a film
about it would really...
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No-one in America wanted
to break away from the TV,
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which was showing
the war every night,
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and go to the cinema
to watch the war again.
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So they really...
It was very, very hands off.
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America was not keen on remembering
or reliving the war.
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The veterans,
when they came home from Vietnam,
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found very little appetite
to welcome them.
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There were no heroes welcomes,
it was really brushed aside.
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It was almost as if everyone
was embarrassed by the fact
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that the war had taken place.
Terrible for the veterans,
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but also something that Hollywood
didn't want to set out to write.
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Well...
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we didn't have the brass bands,
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and we didn't have crowds
meeting us at the airport.
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We kind of snuck in the back door.
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Uh... I came back...
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even more so,
cos I didn't even come...
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I came back in a hospital plane.
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Even by the mid-'70s,
Hollywood stood firm
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that audiences did not want to see
Vietnam on the big screen.
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The Deer Hunter led
a cinematic revolution.
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Films that went in search of reality.
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JOHN WILLIAMS: Cavatina
(Theme From "The Deer Hunter")
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(TYRES SCREECH)
MAN: Hey, wait!
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Think of the context.
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I mean, the war was
unbelievably divisive in the States.
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There were mass demonstrations
in London.
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People were being arrested
for complaining about the war.
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Fifty thousand servicemen died.
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People were running away to Canada,
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large numbers of young men
were crossing the border to Canada
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and becoming refugees, effectively,
from their own country.
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So the social divisions provoked
by the war at large,
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but particularly
among liberal Americans, were huge.
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And Hollywood,
being a liberal place,
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was right at the crux
of that kind of anguish.Mm.
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That it would be unpatriotic
to protest publicly,
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but it was a source of disgust
and shame.
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So there was terrible
conflicted feelings, I think,
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within the entire creative community
within the media at large,
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and, of course,
within the wider public,
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where this had been
the first televised war.
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Cimino would often recall
a preview screening held in Chicago.
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During the showing
of the three-hour film,
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men and women would rush
into the lobby,
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not because they disliked
what they were watching,
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but to stem the flow of tears.
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The Deer Hunter unlocked America.
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It allowed audiences to finally
confront the reality of Vietnam.
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STEVE: I hit some rocks, Michael.
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I hit some rocks.
I'm alright, Michael.
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MIKE: OK.
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The original script
had told the story
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of a psychologically damaged veteran,
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who heads to Las Vegas
to play Russian roulette.
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But when producer Michael Deeley
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brought in writer/director
Michael Cimino,
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the script began to evolve.
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Inspired by the combat footage
on American television news,
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Cimino inverted the idea
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into a story
of young men going to war.
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Three contrasting friends
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from a tight-knit
Pennsylvania steel town,
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who would leave for Vietnam
after a local wedding.
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The air is filled with troopers...
They sound like shit.
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Join the stick of angels
Kill the lengthy Amazon...
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It's the Screaming Eagles
Airborne song.
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It's a gory road to glory
but we're ready, here we go!
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Shout Geronimo...
Screaming assholes.
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Look out below, look out below
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Let me be free
La da-da-da...
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I can't remember
the rest of the words.
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You'll always be happy with me
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Chickenshit, get scared.
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It didn't take on the subject
directly, did it?
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Michael Deeley had a different script
he was working on,
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which was sort of
about someone returning from Vietnam?
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Yeah, it was about a returning
Vietnam vet who goes to Vegas
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and starts to become a gambler.
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But all based around playing
Russian roulette, which is,
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of course, a key thematic thing
in The Deer Hunter,
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and which we know would later,
you know, retool it in that way.
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But this was supposed
to be something
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which was quite light in tone.
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It was compared to
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
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at one point
when it was being shopped around.
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So it was completely different
to what we get with The Deer Hunter,
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which is focused
on people going off to Vietnam,
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and young men whose hopes and lives
are shattered by that experience.
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Cimino insisted he was making
a non-political movie.
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This wasn't even
about the Vietnam War.
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Brilliantly structured
in three movements
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from wedding to funeral,
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this was a movie about people.
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Particularly,
what happens when the horror
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affects the lives
of a group of friends.
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These people are waiting hopefully,
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but I imagine vainly,
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for a helicopter to land here
on the roof of the American Embassy
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in the middle of Saigon,
and take them to safety.
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But they have no papers,
they have just come here.
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Because the whole embassy is wide
open, they've come up the stairs.
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They're in fact on the chopper pad,
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no helicopter would probably land
under these circumstances.
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And so they wait here vainly,
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possibly a helicopter will come
back, but it looks most unlikely,
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because about ten past eight
this morning,
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what looked like
a final Marine helicopter
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touched down here briefly,
took aboard a handful of Marines,
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and then lifted off.
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And that looked like the end
of the American evacuation.
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The background to the film
is quite interesting.
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Michael Deeley, the producer,
had wanted to make a film
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that was very much
about a veteran of the war.Yep.
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He had come back
and he had sort of landed in Vegas
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where the Russian roulette
comes into it,
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become obsessed
with Russian roulette.
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So it was very different,
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it wasn't quite a Vietnam War film
to begin with.
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No. I mean, the history
of the genesis of this film
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is partly tied up
with these two Englishmen.
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Michael Deeley in particular,
who'd been part of the Woodfall,
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he'd been part
of New British Cinema.
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He'd done The Italian Job.
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And then he, basically,
British Lion, his company,
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became EMI films.
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And they made, I think,
three films only,
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two of which were deeply troubled.
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And one of them was The Deer Hunter,
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the other was Convoy
with Sam Peckinpah,
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an equally troubled film.
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And I think the genesis
of the script,
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with I think originally Roy Scheider
possibly attached
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to play in that version of the film.
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The fact that Cimino
then pitched in for it
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on the strength of his work
with Clint Eastwood,
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who had kind of
slightly mentored him.
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That was a very interesting genesis.
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And of course,
the idea of the Russian roulette
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and its transposition to Vietnam,
in a sense,
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is the heart,
dramatically, of the film.
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De Niro's Mike, Walken's Nick
and John Savage's Steve
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are eager to head off to Vietnam,
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to break the monotony
of their steel-mill night shifts.
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They all leave
behind small-town loves and lives,
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including Meryl Streep as the girl
both Mike and Nick adore.
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Vietnam will prove
a living nightmare.
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Imprisoned by the Viet Cong,
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their captors will gamble
on who might live or die.
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Cimino is a demanding
and often temperamental artist.
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Having made his debut directing
Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges
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in the surprisingly dark caper movie
Thunderbolt And Lightfoot...
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..his intensity and dedication would
nevertheless elevate the material.
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He took buses and trains
through the Northeastern states
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to find his perfect community,
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writing the script as he was
in search of American authenticity.
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This is set in a community which
is Russian Orthodox Christianity.
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So the wedding itself
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is a wonderful
sort of elaborate celebration,
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with all the kind of rituals
and adornments
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that you would get
from that kind of community.
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It contrasts very much,
actually, with, of course,
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the actual outside
and their working conditions,
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and even their living conditions,
which are relatively poor,
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they're quite impoverished.
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All this is set up because you want
to be able to see the relationships
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and how they actually exist
and survive in this environment.
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And it brings them all
closely together.
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They're a very close-knit community.
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And so, by the time you've got
even to the wedding ceremony,
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which is, of course,
a wonderfully glorious...
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Full of dancing, full of music as
well as the actual ceremony itself,
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which is very ritualistic,
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you've got to understand each
of those characters individually,
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not just as a group,
but individually,
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and that means
you actually care about them.
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Backed by the record label EMI,
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making a short-lived foray into film,
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and stirred by the vitality
of '70s Hollywood,
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The Deer Hunter was
an independent production.
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Producer Michael Deeley maintained
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that they would never have achieved
the financing without De Niro.
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Michael Cimino wasn't interested
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in a political film
about the Vietnam War.
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He didn't want to make
any statement about it.
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He, when he was developing the film,
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almost saw the Vietnam War
as something
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that happened
to these three friends.
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He was interested in what happens
to three people in a community
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when a catastrophe hits.
He was on the record really,
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saying this is about
what happened to these three men,
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not about the grand sweep of war,
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and the historical injustices
or so on.
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He didn't want people to see it
as a political film most of all.
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So he is not commenting on the war,
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he's using the war
to tell the story.
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Now at the time, the war had
only been over for three years,
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the war ended in 1975,
they shot The Deer Hunter in 1978.
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Perhaps that was important
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not to be making a statement
about the film for him,
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because it was clearly an incredibly
divisive subject still in America.
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It was something
that he was exploring, you know,
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in a way, at great risk to the film,
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to the likelihood of the film
attracting an audience,
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because there would be
a lot of people who,
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if they thought this was
either leaning one way or the other,
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would probably not want to go.
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So he was very keen to say the war
is the event of the film,
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it's not about the war.
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He said later on
that he was influenced
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by the Visconti movie The Leopard,
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and the long,
long sequence in the ballroom.
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And although
that's about aristocracy,
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and this is about the working class,
there is something about this idea
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of this kind of elegiac,
end-of-an-era feeling to it.
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The sense that, you know,
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three days before they're gonna
get shipped out to Vietnam
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and things are, you know...
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Things are never going to be
the same again after this.
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So you carry that melancholy
with you when you watch it.
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But equally, just in terms
of the set up of it, it's something.
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Because so many
of the extras came in,
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something like 250 extras
were from the community
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and were
from a Russian Orthodox background,
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most of them didn't even have
to learn the traditional dances.
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He wants to do
an almost fly-on-the-wall thing.
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It does feel very influenced
by cinema verite,
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by things like the Maysles brothers,
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and even filmmakers
like Milos Forman as well,
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who... had such a great eye
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for capturing the textures
of everyday working-class life.
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And yeah, you can just watch
the small little petty incidents,
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the little dramas, the little kind
of jealousies, these moments of joy,
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happiness, drunkenness, sadness,
that go on at a big wedding.
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De Niro still claims
that The Deer Hunter
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is the most physically
and emotionally taxing film
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he has ever made.
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And this is the man who starred
in Taxi Driver and Raging Bull.
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He was the backbone of the project.
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He opened doors
to the New York acting community,
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persuading John Cazale
and Meryl Streep to be in the film.
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And of course,
he went deep into character,
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meeting real steelworkers,
hanging out at local bars.
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The thrust of the story
is the violent juxtaposition
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between home
and the horrors of Vietnam.
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PRIEST: Blessed is the kingdom
of the Father and of the Son
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and of the Holy Spirit.
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Now and ever and unto ages of ages.
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A-A-Amen.
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Ah, blessed.
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Hey, hey - hey, hey, hey.
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The casting of De Niro's Mike
had come easily,
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but finding the perfect Nick,
his best friend,
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had seemed impossible.
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Warmer than Mike, more open,
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the doomed Nick is the glue
that holds the group together.
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One morning,
casting director Cis Corman
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slipped a folded-up piece of paper
into Cimino's pocket.
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After another fruitless day
of auditions, Cimino found it,
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unfolding the message to read:
"Christopher Walken IS Nick."
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Walken would go in search
of real experiences,
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but found that veterans clammed up,
even his own brother.
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That silence spoke volumes.
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So the year before The Deer Hunter
comes out, you've got Annie Hall.
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Christopher Walken plays
a little part in that as,
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very memorably, as Dianne Keaton's
psychotic brother.
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He's got a quality about him,
which is both sort of everyman-ish.
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He's kind of a normal-looking guy
in some respects,
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but also, he has a little bit of...
There's an edge to him.Yeah.
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You know, and he looks
like he could be dangerous.
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And I think that's really what
probably worked in his advantage
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when it came to taking
on the part of Nick,
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because, of course,
the part of Nick is the one
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which ends in a psychosis
of its own.Mm-hm.
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You know,
when I think about the fact
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that someone
like a young Jeff Bridges
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was also auditioning for this part,
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that is
a completely different performance.
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Young Jeff Bridges looks
like a golden retriever,
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he's, you know, that's not
Christopher Walken's energy at all.
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Arguably,
the first on-screen representation
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of trauma, of PTSD.
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He's the first time anyone, I think,
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had portrayed that to such a degree
that it was quite shocking.
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I think Walken's excellent
in the role,
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and he has a difficult thing
that he has to do,
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which is that he is embodying
both specific psychological trauma,
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but also it's pretty clear
that Cimino is aiming at it being
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a larger thing
about American trauma,
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and about what has happened
to the American psyche
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and the disillusionment of that.
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I mean, almost directly
after what happens to Nick,
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when he reaches this, you know,
the final ebb of his story,
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it cuts to the helicopters leaving
Saigon during the evacuation,
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during the fall of Saigon.
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So it doesn't take brain surgery
to kind of work out
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that there is
like a metaphorical link being made,
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which is not always an easy thing
for an actor to portray.
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'But then,
suddenly we, too,
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forty or fifty of us
in the safety of the coaches,
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had to get out and fight our way
to the American compound,
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where the helicopters
were landing to fly us
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and the thousands more
out of the country.
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Seeing us in the streets with
our bags, the Vietnamese followed.
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Any chance, they thought,
was better than none.
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But the embassy gates were closed
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and we, like the frightened
Vietnamese and their families,
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had to fight and claw our way up.
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And we did claw and we did fight.
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And if it wasn't
for one single American Marine
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whose name I didn't have the chance
or time to discover,
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we would never have climbed
our way to our evacuation.
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He hauled us up, kicking
and punching Vietnamese,
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who were clambering over our bodies.
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What do you make
of Christopher Walken's performance?
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It was the Oscar-winning performance
in the film.
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The Nick character is complicated,
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and in some senses, that's...
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We had Best Years Of Our Lives,
I suppose.Mm.
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But this was
the first frank portrayal of PTSD,
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of post traumatic stress
in relation to war.
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Look, I think one of the ways
of looking at the film...
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..is that this is really,
it's a love story.
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It's not... Meryl Streep is not
really part of that love story.
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It's a love story between...
446
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..the De Niro character
and the Walken character.
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It's a love story
that we know will end badly.
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It's a love story
that neither can contemplate openly.
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It's a love story that cannot
sort of speak its name, in a way.
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Even that's maybe going too far.
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I do remember thinking...
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that this was at the heart
of Cimino's own fascinations.
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Because as a very young journalist,
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I interviewed him
about Thunderbolt And Lightfoot,
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And I brought up this thematic thing
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about the kind of
latent homo-eroticism
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of the relationships in the film,
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and he lost his temper
in the most spectacular fashion,
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I think at the Dorchester Hotel,
and hurled me out of his suite.
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He was enraged.
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And I remember the publicist
standing outside going,
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"What happened, what happened?"
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And I said, "I've no idea."
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So this was, you know...
And I realised then,
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and years later I met him
in a very different context,
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I realised then this was a place
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that he was touched
but did not want to be touched.
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And that was touching to us,
but in a very, very painful way.
469
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And I think it's at the heart
of the film's quality...
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..is that it speaks of masculinity.
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And I think
David Thomson talks about
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the impossible difficulties
of American masculinity,
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the culture of the gun.
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He encapsulates it
around the one-shot philosophy.
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And the film encapsulates it
at the very end,
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with these shattering, only
five words of dialogue, five words.
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And De Niro says to him,
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"I love you."
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And he says back, "One shot."
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And pulls the trigger
and blows his brains out.
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And that's the end
of the love story,
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it's the end of the dream,
483
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and all that's left
is to close the film,
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and that's how we end up in the bar.
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ANGELA: It's been such a grey day.
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Meryl Streep took the role
of the yearning Linda
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because she wanted to stay by
the side of her partner John Cazale.
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He was dying of lung cancer.
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But De Niro had convinced Cimino
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he was perfect as wastrel Stan,
left behind.
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Cazale took the film because
he wanted to work with De Niro.
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When EMI resisted his casting,
claiming he was an insurance risk,
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both Cimino
and Streep threatened to drop out.
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It was De Niro
who covered his insurance.
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ARMSTRONG:
When Meryl Streep arrived to film,
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she found that there were almost
no lines for her character, Linda.
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And indeed, Michael Cimino said,
"Well look,
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she's not really written,
do you want to write her yourself,
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and develop the lines yourself?"
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So she said
in an interview later on
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that that was both
an enormous opportunity,
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but actually quite daunting.
504
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So how are you going to create
the character, literally,
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not just in your sort of method
or your understanding
506
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or your interpretation, but
how do you actually write the part?
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So she thought of the girls
at home who she went to school with,
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who were waiting
for a man to rescue them,
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whose idea about life was,
"Who will marry me?
510
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Who will I be able
to attach myself to?"
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And that's how she created Linda,
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someone who was only alive,
in a sense,
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through the men who were beside her.
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And she portrays a woman
who really struggles
515
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,520
with lots of fairly
straightforward circumstances.
516
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,400
She's looking all the time,
to find an arm to hold.
517
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,600
She's initially in love
with Christopher Walken,
518
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Robert De Niro's character
is in love with her,
519
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,800
but she doesn't really know
how to handle this idea
520
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,120
that there are two men, she only
knows the man she wants.
521
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,280
And then when Christopher Walken
doesn't return,
522
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800
but Robert De Niro does,
she attaches herself to him.
523
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,280
"This is my way to exist,
this is my way to be."
524
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,200
It's a very...
it's really interesting.
525
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,600
When you think that, you know,
526
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,960
Meryl Streep arrives on set
to play this character,
527
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400
as a woman who is very in charge
of her career and life,
528
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,120
and is about to forge one
of the greatest Hollywood careers,
529
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
in charge
of all the decisions she makes.
530
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,040
And the first part
that she has to create from scratch,
531
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,440
she creates someone
who is entirely dependent on men
532
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,080
for her own existence.
533
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,600
It's very interesting actually,
534
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,360
because Meryl Streep was
dating John Cazale at this time,
535
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,880
and John Cazale was very unwell.
536
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,480
He had been diagnosed with
terminal lung cancer at that point,
537
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,480
and so a big part
of why she ended up taking the role,
538
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440
was that, you know,
they wanted her for it,
539
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,560
she said she felt it was,
a little bit at first,
540
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,720
of a bit
of a stock girlfriend character.
541
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840
But she came to imbue that role
with so much more,
542
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920
and part of that was
for her own personal reason -
543
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520
she didn't wanna be separated
from her boyfriend when he was,
544
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,240
you know, seriously unwell.
545
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,480
And so she took on the part.
546
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,440
There was also the problem of the
insurance,
547
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,760
which was that nobody
would want to insure an actor
548
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,600
who was basically on death's door.
549
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,240
So there are various stories
around how they got around it,
550
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,000
but there was a point
where the producers
551
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,800
were actually asking Cimino
to rewrite a version of the script
552
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,480
in case John Cazale didn't make it
to the end of filming.
553
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,320
Thank God that didn't happen,
554
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,640
and Cimino was completely
against the idea anyway.
555
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,880
There are also very fine performances
from John Savage as Steve,
556
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,080
who returns from Vietnam
in a wheelchair.
557
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,000
And George Dzundza as John,
another who is left behind.
558
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Pierre Segui
as the French businessman,
559
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800
who runs the Russian roulette den
in Saigon,
560
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,160
had been a military pilot
in the Indo-China War,
561
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,760
and also appeared
in Apocalypse Now.
562
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,280
The cast were asked to go
beyond themselves.
563
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Cimino instructed De Niro,
Walken and Savage
564
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,560
to never take off their uniforms,
no matter how filthy they became.
565
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160
They didn't shave, they didn't wash.
566
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Trapped in water-logged cages,
drifting volatile rivers,
567
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
leaping from helicopters.
568
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,760
The cast inspired each other
to reach a new level of realism.
572
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,840
I can't feel my legs.
573
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,880
MIKE: Alright, alright, come on.
574
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,760
My arm.
575
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Push yourself up.
576
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800
The entire film was shot on location.
577
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Cleveland was used
for the steelworks,
578
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Clairton in Pennsylvania
was used for the town exteriors,
579
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200
and the Cascade mountains
in Washington
580
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,800
for the scenes
of the friends hunting deer.
581
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,360
The wedding sequence that lights
up the beginning of the film
582
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,160
would run for 40 daring minutes,
583
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080
a feast of naturalistic detail.
584
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,760
In his travels, Cimino had attended
a Serbian wedding.
585
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,040
He saw the bride and groom sip
together from the same cup of wine.
586
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,440
If they spilled a drop,
it would mean bad luck.
587
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,480
In the film, we see a small stain
form on the bride's dress.
588
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,240
The opening wedding sequence
in The Deer Hunter
589
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,120
is critical to the film.
590
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720
It's a very unusual piece
of character development
591
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,640
in Hollywood terms.
Most of the time in a screenplay,
592
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
you'd find a character developed
through a series of maybe three
593
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,280
or four actions
at the beginning of the film,
594
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,640
where you go, "Oh, I understand,
595
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,880
they've saved the cat,
they've looked after the kid."
596
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,160
We get the senses
of the sort of person they are.
597
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Michael Cimino wasn't interested
in that kind of shorthand.
598
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960
The script had
a wedding sequence in it,
599
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,600
which lasted on the page
for 21 minutes of the film.
600
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,520
And Michael Cimino, in the end,
delivered over 50 minutes.
601
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760
It took him five days to shoot.
602
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,520
And he gave the extras real alcohol,
and he filmed and filmed and filmed,
603
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
take after take after take,
until towards the end,
604
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,640
the actors were tired, they were
chaotic, they were falling over.
605
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120
And a lot of the sequences
which end up in the final film,
606
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,280
are actually accidents on set,
or things that weren't scripted.
607
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,760
Because Michael Cimino
wanted the naturalism,
608
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,630
the realness of a wedding
where people were drunk and tired
609
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:13,600
and falling over and messing around.
610
00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:15,920
And so it becomes
increasingly sloppy
611
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,150
in an incredibly realistic way.
612
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:22,710
By the end of that 51 minutes,
you know these people.
613
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,120
He's given you enough detail,
without underlining it,
614
00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:28,000
without hammering it home,
615
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,800
"Oh, this is a person
who will do this thing,
616
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,320
this is the kind
of person they are."
617
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,600
You just feel that you've seen
into their lives, you've...
618
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:37,710
you know, you've snuck into
that wedding and you've watched.
619
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,630
For the shocking contrast of Vietnam,
they shot in Thailand.
620
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:44,560
Cimino wanted
to revitalise a landscape
621
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,840
he felt audiences
had become inured to
622
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,710
after night upon night
of news footage.
623
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,190
They filmed in Bangkok for Saigon,
624
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:55,880
and on the famous River Kwai
for the devastating middle act
625
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920
in the prison camp.
626
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,000
NORMAN: What's fascinating
about their entry into Vietnam
627
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,880
is that their war
doesn't last very long.
628
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,760
They go from one status,
629
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,480
straight into the terrible
sort of cages in the water,
630
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,080
in which they are
sort of taunted and beaten.
631
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,400
And eventually forced
632
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,920
to play out this game
of Russian roulette.
633
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Walken said, "I'm not entirely sure
634
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,560
how I'm going to actually be able
to play this sort of terror."
635
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,840
I mean, they were
in terrible conditions, anyway.
636
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
But I'm not sure I've got
the sort of wherewithal to do this.
637
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
And De Niro said to Cimino, he says,
638
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,560
"Why don't you get
the guy playing the main guard,
639
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,080
the main sort of torturer,
640
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,640
to actually really slap us,
641
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,080
you know, whenever we hesitate,
just slap us."
642
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,320
And Walken said...
I mean, him as well.
643
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,400
Walken has subsequently said,
you know, he said, you know,
644
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,000
"Once you've been slapped 50 times
around the head quite hard,
645
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,360
really, you don't have
to act having the shakes."
646
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,080
He said it was, it really worked.
647
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,200
He said it wasn't pleasant,
but it really worked.
648
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,240
Go ahead, Nicky, go ahead, Nicky.
649
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,840
It's gonna be alright,
it's gonna be alright.
650
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Go ahead, go ahead, Nicky.
654
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,280
Over the years,
the film has courted controversy
655
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,280
for its portrayal of the Viet Cong
and their use of Russian roulette.
656
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,240
Cimino claimed reports existed
of Russian roulette dens in Vietnam,
657
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,720
but more important
was its dramatic function.
658
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,040
It was a device to capture
a soldier's constant anxiety,
659
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,120
never knowing if this was going to be
the day you die.
661
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Its legacy is an Oscar-winning film,
won Best Picture and Best Director.
662
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Yup.
It, for a short space,
663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,280
made Cimino sort of
the chosen son of Hollywood.Yes.
664
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,360
Yet it's never shaken off this idea
665
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800
that its portrayal of Vietnam
is somehow negative.
666
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Context is everything.
667
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,200
The question that politically,
668
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,640
the world was divided on Vietnam.
669
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,680
This was really what, in a way,
670
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,520
was the beginning of the realisation
671
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,840
that the Cold War could
never be won.
672
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,360
The realisation that the superpowers
673
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,960
would mince any millions
of people necessary to death
674
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,360
in the meat grinder
of the Cold War conflict.
675
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,680
So focusing on these soldiers
and on these blue-collar characters,
676
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,960
rather than on the suffering
of the Vietnamese...
677
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,880
..was in itself, inimical,
I would say, to liberal opinion.
678
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,680
Now, that is true,
679
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,040
but film is not a realist medium.
680
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,280
And I think at the time, I remember
when I wrote up that interview,
681
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,120
I said the portrayal was of America
with a gun to its own head.
682
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,520
That sense of,
683
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,760
well, this is deeply troubling.
684
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200
This is not a celebration
of nationhood,
685
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,000
this is an attempt
to clutch at something
686
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,840
that's almost beyond reach
in terms of hope.
687
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,880
So it shows us that the POW camps
are these horrendous places,
688
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,000
and by 1978, many of the ones
who did return had come home,
689
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,560
so there was some understanding
in the American public and in,
690
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,800
you know, international
understanding of what had happened
691
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,960
to a lot of these men
in these camps.
692
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,920
Having said that,
it's not entirely realistic.
693
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,280
It isn't really based on any kind
of documentary reality,
694
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,360
it is, essentially, melodrama.
695
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,160
So it's worth taking it
with a grain of salt.
696
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,600
But having said that, it's still
a pretty remarkable accomplishment
697
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,560
for a second-time ever director,
to go all the way to Thailand,
698
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,200
which had no infrastructure
for filmmaking really at the time,
699
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,200
on the verge of a military coup,
and make this film.
700
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Crowning its success
at the box office,
701
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,160
The Deer Hunter
would win five Oscars.
702
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Best Sound, Best Editing,
703
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,520
Best Supporting Actor
for Christopher Walken,
704
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,320
and the ultimate achievement
of Best Director and Best Picture.
705
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,840
The film was established
as a classic,
706
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,320
Cimino as a great new talent,
707
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,400
a reputation that would be consumed
in the budgetary
708
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,400
and artistic excesses
on his next film Heaven's Gate.
709
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,560
Cimino had consciously focused
on the effect of the war
710
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
on blue-collar men.
711
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,760
Through this prism,
the political ramifications
712
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,600
of the great American folly
could be prised open.
713
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,000
The ordinary man's love
of his country is movingly captured,
714
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,560
as the remaining friends gather
and sing God Bless America
715
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,240
at the end of the film.
716
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,200
The moment is unspeakably sad,
yet defiant.
717
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,960
I mean,
one of the things that did happen
718
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
with the release of The Deer Hunter,
719
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320
was that it gave an insight
into the American public
720
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,840
about the sort of things
that the soldiers had gone through.
721
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,240
Even not specifically
about the Russian roulette,
722
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,960
but the sort of pressures
and the psychological damage,
723
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,080
particularly,
that they would have gone through,
724
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,760
which is not visible -
I think that's what's important.
725
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Physically,
if they were physically damaged,
726
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,080
they had the veteran's, you know,
hospitals and things like that.
727
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,000
If they were
psychologically damaged,
728
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,040
they had almost no support
whatsoever.
729
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,040
And that, I think... that alone
opened up the whole debate
730
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,520
about post traumatic
stress syndrome, all those things,
731
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,440
the damage that was done
to these men internally,
732
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,280
in their heads,
that you can't actually see,
733
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,680
suddenly became real.
734
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,760
Cinematically, it was
as if the floodgates had opened.
735
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,440
With The Deer Hunter, a new
anti-heroic realism was established,
736
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,520
not only in the depiction of combat,
737
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,840
but in revealing the psychological
impact war had on soldiers.
738
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Apocalypse Now
was nearing completion.
739
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,120
Oliver Stone was writing
his exploration
740
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,840
of the Vietnam experience
with a platoon.
741
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,480
Hal Ashby, Barry Levinson,
Brian De Palma,
742
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,760
Stanley Kubrick and Spike Lee
would be drawn to its flame.
743
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960
American film
would never be the same.
744
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,280
Watching the film again
after all these years,
745
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,880
I found myself crying
as I watched the last scene,
746
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,320
and I was sitting alone
watching the film.
747
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520
It's very rare to have
that experience of viewing a film
748
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,040
for the fourth or fifth time
in one's life,
749
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,360
and be so transported.
750
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360
And that's not just
about the performance.
751
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,640
It is the dramatic construction
of this idea,
752
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,600
the idea you're referring to.
753
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,360
Where, somehow,
754
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,120
the social commentary,
which is realism,
755
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,480
the mythic construction
of the film, which is epic...
756
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,360
..and the intimacy
of how it touches us
757
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,960
in respect of our own feelings
about each other.
758
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,160
And how all men, at some level,
759
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,080
are touched by this idea
of the bond between men.
760
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,640
I think it brings those together
761
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,720
in a really unusual
and quite unique way.
762
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,240
It's remarkable to see
the film survive so well
763
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,000
after, you know, 40 years.
765
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,280
God bless America
766
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,080
Land that I love
767
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Stand beside her and guide her
768
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,160
# Through the night
with the light from above
769
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,960
From the mountains,
through the prairies
770
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,760
To the oceans, white with foam
771
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,640
God bless America
772
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,760
My home sweet home
773
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,040
God bless America
774
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,480
My home sweet home
775
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,880
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