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[Randy] Do my kids think I'm-- yeah.
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I mean everybody in the family thinks I'm nuts.
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Of course, I'm nuts. I go to genealogy conferences.
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So they-- they have these conferences and I always joke
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that there are just two types of people at the conference.
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There are the people who know they're crazy
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and the people who have no idea that they're crazy.
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I at least know I'm crazy.
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{\an8}[upbeat music playing]
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[Randy] Genealogy's a kids task in school, right?
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You get an assignment, go do your family tree.
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And most people havelike a little tiny family tree.
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And I was eight years old and my mom's mom knew
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a lot about her family andgave me a number of generations
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back and-- and had this huge tree on my mom's side.
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And then on my dad's side, it was 1974 and there
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was some new books that were published
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just that year for my grandfather's centennial.
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So I came back to school and I had this enormous family tree.
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And you know how it is in school when, like, when you're
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better at something than other people, that becomes your thing.
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So like genealogy became my thing.
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I wish it had been baseball or basketball
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or something more fun.
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And that's how it started.
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♪
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How can I help you?
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Uh, I'm looking
for someplace to stay.
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Passport and visa, please.
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[sentimental music playing]
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[Randy] I always have been interested in memory.
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That there's a future and a past and a present.
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I think a lot of times we're stuck in
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our present, but to realize that you're
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part of this continuum of history is eye-opening.
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It's very moving to be in the city
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where my family lived for hundreds of years.
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Just to imagine that they were here
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like I'm here now in this very space,
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it's just something that doesn't happen so much where I come
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from in Los Angeles, but I get that feeling here.
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[jazz music playing]
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{\an8}[Randy] I've been married for 25 years and we have three kids.
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{\an8} Uh, Dora who's 24,
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{\an8} and Nathan who's 21, almost 22.
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You can see it sort oftrickling through a little bit.
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Dora with her work, Remember Us, which is this group that pairs
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up kids having bar/bat mitzvahs with victims of the Holocaust.
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[upbeat jazz music playing]
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♪
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[Randy] And Joey's just, you know, starting out.
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He's been looking forward, I think, to the rest
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of his life, learning to be a chef.
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We've lived in this house for, well,
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since 2005 and we're very happy here.
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Pam, my wife, had a photography gallery for a long time.
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[upbeat jazz music]
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Just go around
but like alternate
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between the apples
and the beets.
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Well, you were
reaching first, you pass.
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Where does this
tablecloth come from?
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I know. Where did-- where
did you find the tablecloth?
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Upstairs.
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You have to pour the sauce
onto the--
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[Randy] No, first I have
to give a toast 'cause
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I'm about to leave for Vienna.
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And then Joey's
gonna come meet me.
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First to
the Schoenberg Center for
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the board meeting
that I have there.
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And then I'm gonna drag him
along on a roots trip.
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Keep going and try to find out
how far I can go back.
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So that's-- that's the plan.
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It's either that
or going to school.
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- [Joey] Okay.
- [Randy] Okay.
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So the end of your senior year.
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- [Joey] Dad, shut up.
- So, okay, so there you are.
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Anyway, cheers,
uh, everybody,
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and thank you, Joey,
for this amazing dinner.
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[Joey] Well, my dad decided to take this trip
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throughout Europe tofind graves and family members.
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And my sister was having surgery in a couple weeks
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and Nathan had missed a couple semesters
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in the past and so I was the last one left.
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[music ends]
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[Randy] You can have that sort of out of body experience
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and you have chills because you have that instant connection.
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You're in the place where your family was
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being back there 500 years earlier.
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[tires screeching]
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{\an8} When you then extend and are able to go back
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{\an8} 500 years, you realize it's not just
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{\an8} a single family story, it's a people.
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We're part of this larger mosaic.
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That's the feeling I get when I look at it.
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[sentimental music playing]
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{\an8} I was very instrumental in helping
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{\an8} to set up the Schoenberg Center when
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it moved from University of Southern California to Vienna.
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And now I'm on the board.
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And so I'm interested in
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making sure that it lasts into the future
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and still accomplishes what it was designed to accomplish,
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which is to preserve my grandfather's legacy
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and make it accessible to the public in--
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in the best possible way.
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Sometimes it's terrific to be a Schoenberg
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and to be connected to all these things.
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And other times you get attention that you don't deserve
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'cause your grandfather's famous
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or your great-grandfather's famous.
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So yeah. Now I get that.
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{\an8}[classical piano music playing]
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[Randy] My maternal grandmother,
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her grandparents were married in the 1880s
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and when I went for the first time
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and looked at the actual record books
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from Max and Clementina Schwartz,
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I saw that the very next entry was his younger brother.
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It was actually two brothers got married on
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the same day in this synagogue.
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That was a hundred,
uh, 40 years ago.
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The Seitenstettengasse synagogue's the only synagogue
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that still exists in Viennafrom the time before the Nazis.
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And that's because, on November 9th, 1938,
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there was the famous Kristallnacht pogrom.
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Nazis all over the city,
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went around and burned every other synagogue.
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The story is that the fire marshal came and stopped
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the Nazis from burning this down because he said,
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"If you burn this down,
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you're gonna burn down the church next door."
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It's the last one left.
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It's the last remnant ofthat one great Jewish community
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that was 200,000 Jews, really one of the largest
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and also one of the most important
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Jewish communities in the world.
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And our family played such a huge part in that
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until the Nazis came and took everything away.
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But this synagogue, it's just a reminder of that splendor.
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I just feel very attached to the city.
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Some people ask why you're Jewish?
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How can you like Austria?
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How can you like Viennaafter everything that happened?
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And I just remember
my grandmother
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saying when she came back
with us one time,
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she said, you know,
she-- she loved Austria
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and she would never let the
Nazis take that away from her.
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And so I guess I feel that
a little bit too.
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{\an8}[Dora] What I do is when kids
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{\an8}sometimes they wanna
remember a child
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{\an8}who didn't get
to bar/bat mitzvah age
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{\an8}because they were killed
in the Holocaust.
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{\an8}And so they submit
a request on our website
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{\an8}and I go through
and do research on Yad Vashem.
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So it's really important
that we make connections
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with rabbis and synagogues.
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I think that that's a gift
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that you're giving
to other people.
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The greatest tragedies
are actually the--
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the people who have nobody
left to remember them.
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A person dies multiple times.
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They die when
their life physically ends.
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They also die the very last time
that they're ever remembered.
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And it's up to us as a Jewish people to make sure
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that all of our relatives collectively
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never endure that final death.
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[soft electronic music playing]
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[Joey] In fifth grade, I did a presentation
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on Arnold Schoenberg.
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I knew he was famous, but I didn't know like
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anything about him up until that point.
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So I went home and googled Arnold Schoenberg
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and then my teacher was like, "What's the relation
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to you and Arnold Schoenberg?"
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And I said, "Oh, he's my great-grandfather."
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And one of the teachersturned around and she was like,
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"Me and my husband love him."
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And it's like, "Oh, cool."
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- [Randy] Joey.
- [Joey] Hi.
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- [Randy] You made it.
- [Joey] I did.
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[Randy] Let's go. I got that.
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[applause]
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Wow, that was terrific.
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I wanna thank my friends
Sabina and Johannes
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for performing this wonderful
concert for us here today.
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And I'm lucky today
to have my son, Joey,
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here for the first time.
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And really looking forward to
our trip that we're gonna take.
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We're-- we're going on
a little bit of a roots trip
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starting in Vienna
and then exploring in Prague
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and looking at cemeteries
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and archives and documents and
we'll see how far back we get.
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And we have here today,
my cousins, Arnie Schoenberg,
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all the way from San Diego,
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and Serena Nono,
who's from Venice, Italy,
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representing the three
branches of our family.
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["Schoenberg:
Phantasy For Violin And Piano,
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Op.47" by Gilbert Kalish
and Joseph Silverstein playing]
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[Joey] I am sure
there's gonna be some graves
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and archives that
I'm going to be so bored at,
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but hopefully,
I'll grow to like--
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No, I will never
like going into cemeteries.
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I can look
at pictures of graves.
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But like going in there is like,
it's like Halloween vibes.
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It's, like, weird.
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It's, like--
like I don't believe in,
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like, ghosts but,
like, feels awkward.
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[Randy] With Joey,
I'm hoping for him when
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he goes in,
let's say, the Altneuschul,
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it's the oldest
active synagogue in Europe.
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My ancestors were there,
they were married there, they--
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they prayed there
and you're in that building.
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It has an effect on me.
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So we'll see if it has
an effect on Joey also.
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[applause]
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[soft eclectic music playing]
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[Joey] I think for me, at least, tracing my family
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history gives me an entrée into the history of the world.
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It makes it a little more special when I go around
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and imagine that they were therein the very same place with me.
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[Randy] You're named after him.
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[Joey] My middle name.
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[Randy]
You're Joseph Samuel Schoenberg
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after your
great-great-grandfather.
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[Joey] My great-grandfather,
Samuel Schoenberg.
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It's the beginning
of my grandfather
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Arnold Schoenberg's family tree.
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So it's him and his parents,
Samuel Schoenberg
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and Pauline Nachod,
and then their parents,
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Abraham and Theresia Schoenberg,
and Paulina's parents,
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Josef Nachod
and Karoline Jontof-Hutter.
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Pauline was from Prague
and we're gonna be going there
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to try to explore
her family history.
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[woman] This would be, uh,
Schoenberg's mother Pauline.
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And this is Samuel Schoenberg.
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Here, Joey, you see that?
Look at that.
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He's got a little mustache,
a little bit long hair.
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It looks a little bit,
you know, radical.
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We are a rebellious family.
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So Joey,
this is the original study
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of Arnold Schoenberg
in the Rockingham House,
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you know where
Mima and Umpa live.
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And when I was growing up
as a kid, it was all walled up.
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When they built
the Schoenberg Institute,
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they moved everything over.
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So this is all
the original stuff that was in
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there that-- that he used
when he composed.
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- [Joey] Very cool.
- [Randy] And neat.
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Makes me feel like home.
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[sentimental music playing]
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{\an8}[soft classical music playing]
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[Randy] Serena, you were there
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at the-- at the unveiling
in '74?
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[Serena] Yeah, there's
a little film, super eight film.
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I don't know who filmed it.
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I am in it. I'm putting
down flowers on the Zone.
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And your parents are in it.
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Nuria is in it.
And Sylvia I think too.
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- And Rudi.
- [Randy] And Uncle Rudi, yeah.
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[together] Yeah.
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[Randy] Lucky you were there.
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I think it was my dad's
first time in Vienna.
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- [Serena] Really?
- Yeah. Yeah.
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They came for the unveiling.
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[Serena]
They all looked very young.
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[Randy] Yeah, they were.
[laughs]
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They were
younger than we are now.
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- [Serena] And beautiful. Yeah.
- [Randy] Yeah. Amazing.
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Do you know why he's not
in the music section?
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I think there must have been
a big political thing at
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the city council when they--
when they gave him
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the honorary grave,
because why wouldn't he be with
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Mozart and Beethoven
and Schubert?
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He's actually born in-- in
Vienna, but I think they didn't
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want to have either
a Jew or a modern composer.
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Probably a combination
of the two.
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This is the first gate
of the central cemetery
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that's in
Zentralfriedhof in Vienna.
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And I have over a dozen
direct ancestors because also
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my mom's side
is all buried here.
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[man] So we are at
Zentralfriedhof gate one,
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group five B, and looking for
a special section,
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row seven,
grave number 40.
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People who died 1884 to 1885.
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- [Serena] Hmm.
- [man] Josef Nachod.
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[Randy] Oh, wow.
There he is.
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[man] Josef...
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[speaking Hebrew]
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Josef Nachod,
son of Gabriel Nachod,
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who was from Prague
and died here in Vienna in 1884.
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How is he related to us, Randy?
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Joseph is Arnold's grandfather.
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He's the father of Pauline
who is our grandfather's mother.
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So Joseph is
our grandfather's grandfather.
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He's our
great-great-great-grandfather.
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He came and brought the family
when he was retired, I guess,
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uh, from Prague to Vienna
around I think 1869 we think.
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And then like a year later,
uh, Samuel Schoenberg
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married Pauline Nachod,
his daughter.
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And then a couple years later,
Arnold was born in 1874.
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This is still here.
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[Serena] So I think
that's the story really.
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People have to migrate.
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[Randy] A long time ago,
it used to be very hard
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to find any of the graves
because it was all grown over.
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Remember Wolf-Erich,
when we used to come here
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and there were--
Wolf-Erich would
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bring his shears
and start cutting away the--
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the leaves and the trees
so you could get to the grave.
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But now they've
cleaned it up because,
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for 50 years after the war,
no one had done anything.
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Like you said,
their DNA is still
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somehow there
growing up in the grass.
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So I think that--
that idea of having the--
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the ancestor recorded
with the text
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and what they did is great
and fascinating
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and the story of their life.
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But-- but also having
the physical sense of,
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you know,
part of my DNA is underground
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here in these bones
that I could dig that up
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and find that DNA that's
has been passed down to me.
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I don't feel that when
I'm home in California, right.
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You don't feel like the soil
in California is part of you.
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But you come here
in-- in Vienna and like
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our-- our family
is in the dirt, right?
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It's in the-- it's in the soil.
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It's in the air somehow.
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Closed.
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Now what?
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I've been trying to
get permission for weeks
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from the Jewish community here
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and it's driving me nuts,
actually.
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We have a film permit
and we've been contacting them.
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First, they said they were
too busy with Ukrainians,
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then they said it's Passover.
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And we said that's fine.
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We'll-- we'll just film
and we'll work out
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all the paperwork afterwards.
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And I-- I called the,
uh, the head of the community
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and he said,
uh, we can't go in.
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And I said, "Why?"
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And he said,
"Because the Jewish community
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has made a decision
not to let me in."
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And I said, "Who made
the decision? Was it you?"
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He said,
"The decision has been made.
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The decision won't change."
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So-- so here's
a cemetery that my family
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founded here in Vienna.
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The first grave and the third
grave are members of my family.
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Many of my ancestors
are buried here.
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The Biedermann family,
the Sinzheim family,
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the Funk family, the
grandfather of my grandfather,
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Arnold Schoenberg,
Abraham Schoenberg,
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the first Schoenberg
to come here to Vienna.
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He was born in Hungary
and he died here in,
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uh, I think 1871.
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And he's buried here also.
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Um, but can't go in.
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[man] So Randy helped raise
money for this project.
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- Of course.
- [man] Can you speculate as to
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why they won't let him inside?
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00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:04,235
[chuckles]
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00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:06,612
No idea.
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00:24:06,737 --> 00:24:07,864
No idea.
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00:24:09,532 --> 00:24:11,325
This was a jungle.
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00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,411
The money for fixing
the cemeteries is something
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00:24:13,536 --> 00:24:17,081
I worked on in 2000
and finally, it's being done.
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00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:20,585
And here we are in 2022
and it's cleaned up
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and they won't let me in.
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These are people I know
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that I've been friends with
for 20 years
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00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,426
and I'm just in shock.
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00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:30,094
It's just, it's tragic.
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00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:32,805
The-- the Jews
who live in Vienna now, um,
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live unfortunately
in a very fearful state.
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00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:39,312
Sometimes there've
been attacks on them and-- and
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00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:42,815
so they're very, um,
tight and among themselves
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00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:45,151
and I guess I'm still
considered an outsider
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00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:48,821
even though all four of my
grandparents were from Vienna.
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00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:50,907
And, uh,
my family lived here for
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hundreds and hundreds of years.
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00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,788
So I don't think
there's much more I can say.
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00:24:59,248 --> 00:25:01,667
[somber music playing]
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00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:34,575
["Rainy Year" by
Josh Kramon playing]
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00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:01,185
[church bell tolling]
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00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:13,447
[indistinct chatter]
389
00:26:14,782 --> 00:26:17,243
{\an8}- [words on screen]
- In the back.
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00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:39,598
{\an8}[words on screen]
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00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,519
{\an8}[kid speaks words on screen]
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00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:45,062
{\an8}[end call tone]
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00:27:03,998 --> 00:27:06,292
[heavy rock music playing]
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00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:57,927
[man]
So a little bit thickness.
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00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,054
And then we start with the--
396
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:05,559
and we need this and let's try.
397
00:28:11,273 --> 00:28:12,525
It's your job.
398
00:28:15,569 --> 00:28:17,154
So that should cook slowly.
399
00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:22,743
What kind of tattoo
are you thinking of?
400
00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:24,829
What do you want on your skin?
401
00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:28,666
Well, I want kind of like
a clip art of my intestines.
402
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,711
Kind of like near my appendix
or on my thigh because,
403
00:28:32,837 --> 00:28:35,089
uh, because of my Crohn's.
404
00:28:35,214 --> 00:28:37,591
Like I don't want any--
just any tattoo on me.
405
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,427
I want something
that's really true to me.
406
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:41,429
- Which has a meaning, yeah.
- Yeah.
407
00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:45,057
And inte-- my intestines have
definitely impacted my life.
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00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:48,185
Not the real topic for dinner,
is it?
409
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,312
- No, not really.
- But--
410
00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:52,481
I mean, it's always
a topic at my house.
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00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:54,900
- [speaking foreign language]
- Ready?
412
00:28:55,025 --> 00:28:56,235
- You have beer?
- Uh, yes.
413
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,403
- I've got a beer already.
- [woman] Wolfie?
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00:28:57,528 --> 00:28:59,029
I don't.
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00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:01,657
I didn't know if
I'd still be able to be a chef,
416
00:29:01,782 --> 00:29:06,078
but I've learned how
to cook for myself
417
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:09,081
and I hope to
share that with people.
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00:29:09,206 --> 00:29:12,334
[man] But it smells good.
Huh? What do you think?
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00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:15,004
[Joey] Uh,
maybe a little bit longer.
420
00:29:15,129 --> 00:29:16,630
[man] Yeah,
it needs some time.
421
00:29:17,548 --> 00:29:22,803
[woman] Yeah. Joey,
you sit here, the second chair.
422
00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,555
You sit here.
[man] Oh, perfect. Perfect.
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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,516
I just want to say
welcome to everybody.
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00:29:27,641 --> 00:29:31,854
And as Randy wants
to-- to welcome always.
425
00:29:31,979 --> 00:29:36,817
Hilde. It's Hilde Spiel
painted by Lisel Salzer.
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00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:38,360
We love this picture.
427
00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:40,279
And Hilde is always with us.
428
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:45,117
She was the most
famous writer from Austria.
429
00:29:45,242 --> 00:29:47,244
In our house at home,
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00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,455
we also have paintings
by Lisel Salzer,
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00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:51,499
but of my
great-great-grandfather,
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00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:54,960
of my great-grandmother,
of my grandmother, of my mother,
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00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:58,380
and of me and my sister,
all-- all in the house.
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00:29:58,506 --> 00:30:00,799
So when I come here
and I see Lisel Salzer painting
435
00:30:00,925 --> 00:30:02,635
and it makes me feel like home.
436
00:30:03,427 --> 00:30:07,097
To bring these paintings
also to-- to-- to Austria,
437
00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:08,974
this would be amazing.
438
00:30:09,099 --> 00:30:13,437
But because Randy is
doing a genealogical movie,
439
00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:17,441
I think we should invest
a little bit of time
440
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:21,070
just for anyone here
on the table for 30 seconds,
441
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:28,244
describe why genealogy
is so important for you.
442
00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:31,872
I'm Serena
and I'm Randy's cousin.
443
00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:35,209
I live in Venice
and I am Italian.
444
00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:40,005
Randy's, um, research
has made me think
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00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,425
about it and made me
more interested in it.
446
00:30:43,551 --> 00:30:50,975
We go back to 1500 and to Venice
to my town, so that's amazing.
447
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:57,022
I think when I was eight
I did my first family tree.
448
00:30:57,147 --> 00:31:00,442
I was always very
interested in my own family.
449
00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:03,529
All of my cousins ask me,
"How are we related?"
450
00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:05,614
And I tell them,
"We are cousins."
451
00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:08,033
You don't have to know
more than this.
452
00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:10,077
- [man] Exactly.
- We are family.
453
00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,038
Now, I don't know why,
uh, it's not important,
454
00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:17,001
but I do it
about 15 hours a day.
455
00:31:17,126 --> 00:31:20,629
- [Joey laughs]
- Um, and the rest--
456
00:31:21,297 --> 00:31:23,799
- [Randy] You sleep.
- I'm resting, yeah.
457
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:26,093
[laughter]
458
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,512
Well, um,
I wouldn't pass up
459
00:31:28,637 --> 00:31:30,347
an opportunity
to come to Europe.
460
00:31:30,472 --> 00:31:32,474
[laughter]
461
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,187
Um, family is nice
and so it's--
462
00:31:37,313 --> 00:31:39,773
it's nice to know
where I came from.
463
00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:41,942
Not a lot of people
can say that.
464
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:43,861
[man] And now we've got
Randy himself.
465
00:31:43,986 --> 00:31:47,114
30 seconds,
why genealogy is important.
466
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,658
- Oh, this is gonna be hard.
- For me, it's just
467
00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:52,036
a way of-- of connecting.
468
00:31:52,161 --> 00:31:54,413
I grew up in a family
that felt very European,
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00:31:54,538 --> 00:31:58,626
so my family home had
furniture and paintings
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00:31:58,751 --> 00:32:02,671
and things that looked like--
like this beautiful house.
471
00:32:02,796 --> 00:32:06,342
And-- and I guess genealogy
has allowed me
472
00:32:06,467 --> 00:32:09,511
to enter that world
and to meet people like you
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00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:12,056
and Marie-Theres
and all of you here,
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00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:15,809
uh, who have that same
sort of feel for that history
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00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,812
that-- that my family
had and that all of us have.
476
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,814
So anyway,
thank you all for being here
477
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,524
and sharing that with me.
478
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,902
The major point,
I think, what Randy always
479
00:32:25,027 --> 00:32:28,238
does all his life
is bringing people together.
480
00:32:28,364 --> 00:32:30,824
Every time we have a new person
come over to our house,
481
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,577
like one of Dora's friends,
Nathan's friends, my friends,
482
00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:36,455
his friends, my mom's friends,
he asks them, uh,
483
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:38,332
if he can do their genealogy
484
00:32:38,457 --> 00:32:40,876
and then he sits
on the couch with them
485
00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:43,337
and goes through
their entire family tree.
486
00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:46,131
Well, it's selfish
because I can't do it myself.
487
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:48,050
- [laughter]
- I need the help
488
00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:50,844
of everybody else
to find the next clue.
489
00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,347
[man] As he started
posting questions about
490
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:57,476
my genealogy I've gotten
like all of these strange
491
00:32:57,601 --> 00:32:59,645
unsolicited emails from
all these people that were like,
492
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:01,814
"Listen, you don't know me,
493
00:33:01,939 --> 00:33:05,776
but I am your second cousin
once removed."
494
00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:08,821
Sometimes-- sometimes it works
and sometimes it doesn't.
495
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,657
It just, you know,
depends on-- on the family.
496
00:33:11,782 --> 00:33:13,909
Oh, I need
some space in the middle.
497
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:20,124
There we are. Four kilos.
No, two. Four pounds.
498
00:33:20,249 --> 00:33:22,376
Sorry, I got mixed up
with this strange...
499
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,461
- Thank you.
- ...non-metrical system.
500
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,171
Thank you for
allowing us to be here
501
00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:28,298
and making your home,
our home for a night.
502
00:33:28,424 --> 00:33:31,093
- [Marie-Theres] It's your home.
- Very nice. Very nice.
503
00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:34,012
- [laughs]
- [Marie-Theres] Thank you.
504
00:33:34,138 --> 00:33:35,889
[Randy] My mom was an only child.
505
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,434
My dad had two siblingsand so we had very few cousins.
506
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:39,893
Five of them.
507
00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:41,353
And even second cousins were sort of
508
00:33:41,478 --> 00:33:42,855
non-existent in the family.
509
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:45,566
What we thought was a normal family.
510
00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:47,568
But then you realize like there are some families
511
00:33:47,693 --> 00:33:49,570
that stick around in the same place for a long
512
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,363
time where they have dozens and dozens of cousins.
513
00:33:52,406 --> 00:33:54,908
Because of what happened in World War II,
514
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,952
we spread out all over the world and sometimes have lost contact.
515
00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,956
So I think part of my genealogical quest
516
00:34:01,081 --> 00:34:04,918
has been to reunite us with these extended family members.
517
00:34:06,462 --> 00:34:10,424
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
518
00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:14,470
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
519
00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:19,308
♪ Happy birthday dear Joey ♪
520
00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:24,646
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
521
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:28,817
[cheering, applause]
522
00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:30,402
[Joey] I turned 18 in Europe.
523
00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:31,987
I felt like it was very fitting.
524
00:34:32,112 --> 00:34:34,698
- It's the 18th birthday, so.
- Exactly.
525
00:34:34,823 --> 00:34:37,284
A very important birthday.
526
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,077
All the best, Joey.
527
00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:43,540
I think if anybody can
figure out what this is
528
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:46,168
and who it belonged to,
it would be the two of you,
529
00:34:46,293 --> 00:34:48,712
Marie-Theres and-- and Georg.
So I'm giving it to you.
530
00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:51,548
It must be
150 years old or more.
531
00:34:51,673 --> 00:34:55,219
And it seems to be an album
of visiting cards of some sort
532
00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:57,846
and there's some--
even some genealogical ones.
533
00:34:58,347 --> 00:35:00,098
Uh, so maybe
you could look through.
534
00:35:00,224 --> 00:35:01,558
[Georg] It looks a bit
like-- like the [indistinct].
535
00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:03,185
[Marie-Theres]
Thank you so much.
536
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:04,561
[Randy] Yeah.
So what's a [indistinct]?
537
00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:06,688
[Georg]
It's something that it says--
538
00:35:06,814 --> 00:35:09,483
[conversation fades]
539
00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:12,069
[soft classical music playing]
540
00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:24,665
I guess from all the stories
541
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:26,750
you're telling
me about the family,
542
00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:31,255
I had this dream that I would
start painting some pictures
543
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:34,675
of-- of the characters
you're, like, telling me about.
544
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,846
And then this morning I spoke
to Nick and I said to him,
545
00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:40,848
you know,
"What do you think if we started
546
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:45,435
painting these people, you know,
and make a series of paintings
547
00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:49,731
on-- on these characters
that Randy is telling me about?
548
00:35:49,857 --> 00:35:51,817
- It's our family."
- Such a neat idea.
549
00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:55,571
Like-- like how would
you get the-- the faces?
550
00:35:55,696 --> 00:35:57,239
How would
you imagine them, though?
551
00:35:57,364 --> 00:35:58,866
We don't have any photographs
or we don't know
552
00:35:58,991 --> 00:36:00,158
- what they look like.
- I mean, yeah,
553
00:36:00,284 --> 00:36:02,035
of course, we don't.
554
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,248
But, um, I think it would
be interesting to like use
555
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:08,792
some faces from our family
556
00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:11,879
would be like, uh,
portraits of ghosts.
557
00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:13,672
[Randy laughs] A little bit.
558
00:36:13,797 --> 00:36:16,258
I always-- I think
of these people just as names
559
00:36:16,383 --> 00:36:18,218
or gravestones
or documents.
560
00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,971
I never really try to imagine
what they look like.
561
00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:23,223
Yeah, it becomes real, you know.
562
00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:26,727
It becomes like something
other people can visualize too.
563
00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:31,982
[sentimental music playing]
564
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:01,637
It's number one.
565
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,441
[woman] '74 is--
Arnold Schoenberg born here.
566
00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:20,447
And 1889 my grandma
bought the house.
567
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:24,201
It's very important for me
to be in this building
568
00:37:24,326 --> 00:37:26,745
and to know that
Schoenberg was born here
569
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,539
and to know about
the period of time
570
00:37:29,665 --> 00:37:32,417
when he was born,
to know about this neighborhood,
571
00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:36,380
because it can convey
some feelings
572
00:37:36,505 --> 00:37:39,508
even for-- for
the work of painting.
573
00:37:40,342 --> 00:37:42,970
[woman] Second district
was a very poor district
574
00:37:43,095 --> 00:37:47,307
and a lot of Jewish people
were living here.
575
00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:51,019
It was a not beautiful district.
576
00:37:51,144 --> 00:37:54,982
The houses,
uh, were looked poor.
577
00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:56,942
[Serena]
I'm a figurative painter
578
00:37:57,067 --> 00:38:00,278
and I like painting expressions
579
00:38:00,404 --> 00:38:04,533
and I think that portraits
are what I really like to do,
580
00:38:04,658 --> 00:38:08,745
to get a feeling of what
the person means to me.
581
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:22,801
[Randy] Heinrich Schoenberg,
582
00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:25,220
Arnold's brother
and two above him is Artur,
583
00:38:25,345 --> 00:38:26,847
that's his first cousin,
584
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,016
and he was married
to Eveline Schoenberg,
585
00:38:29,141 --> 00:38:31,852
but there's quite a lot of
Schoenberg's and Schoenberger's
586
00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:33,353
and they were all killed.
587
00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:35,814
Heinrich was murdered
in Salzburg
588
00:38:35,939 --> 00:38:38,567
and Artur and Eveline,
uh, in Theresienstadt.
589
00:38:44,364 --> 00:38:48,201
Josef Felix Nachod and
Robert Nachod were first cousins
590
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,619
of my grandfather,
591
00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:55,000
Clara Franziska, and Josef Felix
and Robert Nachod.
592
00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,668
And uh, they were killed.
593
00:38:57,961 --> 00:39:02,299
Josef Nachod and his wife Clara,
uh, had a daughter, Edith,
594
00:39:02,424 --> 00:39:05,802
who managed to be sent out
but with a Kindertransport.
595
00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:08,055
And I tracked her down
just a few years ago,
596
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:09,431
shortly before she died.
597
00:39:10,307 --> 00:39:12,476
And it was for--
she was very, very nice.
598
00:39:12,601 --> 00:39:15,687
Her father tried to
get out but couldn't.
599
00:39:15,812 --> 00:39:18,940
He sent a letter to a man
in Texas in English.
600
00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:21,276
Really a tragic letter,
uh, that we have.
601
00:39:21,401 --> 00:39:23,070
Someone found me
on the internet and--
602
00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:27,449
and said they found this letter
from him and, uh, it's--
603
00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:30,827
we put it in the museum
in Los Angeles because it's so--
604
00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:33,038
so heart wrenching.
He says, "Please help me.
605
00:39:33,163 --> 00:39:35,916
I need to get out."
And, of course, he didn't.
606
00:39:36,041 --> 00:39:39,377
He was sent to Theresienstadt
and, uh, then murdered.
607
00:39:39,503 --> 00:39:41,922
[somber music playing]
608
00:39:56,478 --> 00:39:59,022
[Randy] Barbara Kintaert,
I met a number of years ago
609
00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:01,942
'cause she was doing research
on her husband's family.
610
00:40:02,067 --> 00:40:04,319
And so she found me on
the genealogy site
611
00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,655
and then when I came to Vienna,
she wanted to meet with me
612
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:10,200
and she's just a remarkable
woman who decided to study
613
00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:13,286
the history of her own
building and neighborhood.
614
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:15,497
[Serena]
Is this a Jewish neighborhood?
615
00:40:15,622 --> 00:40:16,957
[Randy] It was.
616
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,546
{\an8}[Barbara] When I moved in, in
1984, in this house number six,
617
00:40:24,214 --> 00:40:28,468
{\an8}there was one old lady who said,
"Uh, what are you doing here
618
00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:32,097
{\an8}with all your bags and
with all your, uh, boxes?"
619
00:40:32,222 --> 00:40:34,599
And I said, "We are moving in."
620
00:40:34,724 --> 00:40:39,312
And the old lady said...
[speaking German]
621
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,481
She said that in 1984--
622
00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:43,233
[Randy] You have to
translate that for them.
623
00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:46,570
Uh, it means finally
the house is without Jews.
624
00:40:46,695 --> 00:40:49,698
And I started researching
this house where I live.
625
00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:54,494
It's the same overall profile
as Austria in a-- as a whole.
626
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:57,831
One-third of
the people in our house
627
00:40:58,748 --> 00:41:00,584
were deported and murdered.
628
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:06,798
One-third of the people
in our house lost everything,
629
00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:10,260
but they were able to get
a visa to-- to immigrate abroad.
630
00:41:11,011 --> 00:41:14,222
And one-third has
an "unclear fate".
631
00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:19,311
So then in 2005,
we had this, um, memorial made.
632
00:41:19,436 --> 00:41:22,105
You have to know
the micro history of the place
633
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:26,276
where you live because
it's a contaminated landscape.
634
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:30,697
You-- you cannot just walk
through a nice looking street
635
00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:33,241
that looks
very elegant or whatever,
636
00:41:33,366 --> 00:41:35,744
and not know the history of it.
637
00:41:36,244 --> 00:41:39,164
My husband is Viennese,
his father was half-Jewish.
638
00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:43,043
And my father-in-law
was the only survivor in Vienna.
639
00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:44,669
We are a very,
very small Vien--
640
00:41:44,794 --> 00:41:46,922
family in Vienna
because of the Holocaust.
641
00:41:47,047 --> 00:41:51,134
I-- I consider it as
a-- as a family carpet.
642
00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:53,220
When you have a carpet,
you have a carpet.
643
00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:57,057
Um, it has threads like
this and threads like this.
644
00:41:57,182 --> 00:42:01,186
But if, uh, one part
of the family is eradicated,
645
00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:02,687
some threads are missing.
646
00:42:02,812 --> 00:42:04,314
You have a big hole
in the carpet.
647
00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:07,400
And so through research,
you can mend it somehow.
648
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:11,947
And our family carpet in Vienna
is torn up, torn apart.
649
00:42:12,072 --> 00:42:14,574
You can live on without
knowing anything, of course.
650
00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:17,869
And it's maybe easier,
but it's not healthier.
651
00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:26,962
So this is our key memorial.
652
00:42:27,087 --> 00:42:32,133
It's 462 names of all the Jewish
people in the whole street.
653
00:42:32,259 --> 00:42:36,596
See, it goes
to the end of the block.
654
00:42:36,721 --> 00:42:39,266
And it's just
a very small street.
655
00:42:39,391 --> 00:42:41,184
It-- maybe it sounds strange,
656
00:42:41,309 --> 00:42:43,603
but I think it makes
the street healthier
657
00:42:43,728 --> 00:42:46,856
to-- to be able to know
the history of the street.
658
00:42:46,982 --> 00:42:49,359
I think all the streets
could do that.
659
00:42:49,484 --> 00:42:54,155
Last summer, uh, uh,
an-- an elderly lady with
660
00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:57,742
heads-- headscarf and
her daughter with no headscarf,
661
00:42:57,867 --> 00:43:01,621
and the son-in-law and the small
grandchild were passing by.
662
00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,748
And the daughter and
the son-in-law were able
663
00:43:03,873 --> 00:43:06,042
to speak, uh, English.
664
00:43:06,167 --> 00:43:07,460
And the young woman
and her husband
665
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:09,087
asked me what it was.
666
00:43:09,212 --> 00:43:11,214
So I explained it to them
and they said,
667
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:14,634
"Oh, we are refugees too,
and thank you for explaining."
668
00:43:14,759 --> 00:43:16,052
And then they went away.
669
00:43:16,177 --> 00:43:17,387
And then
the old mother came back,
670
00:43:17,512 --> 00:43:19,097
the one with the headscarf,
671
00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:22,392
and she said,
"It's so moving with the keys.
672
00:43:22,517 --> 00:43:24,185
I completely feel with it."
673
00:43:24,311 --> 00:43:26,479
- She-- she was from Syria.
- Yeah.
674
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:28,940
And she was so moved.
675
00:43:29,065 --> 00:43:30,817
- That was like--
- [Serena] Wonderful story.
676
00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,277
Yes, that was nice.
677
00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:57,302
[Georg] All the interior
is from 1881.
678
00:43:57,427 --> 00:43:59,596
And the fascinating thing
is that this shop
679
00:43:59,721 --> 00:44:02,140
was designed for selling fabric.
680
00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:05,393
What they wanted was
a renaissance room
681
00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:06,978
'cause it was history.
682
00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:19,240
Good fabric is something
that is a mentality.
683
00:44:19,366 --> 00:44:21,117
It's a thing
you will have for lifetime.
684
00:44:21,242 --> 00:44:22,827
Not something
you will throw away
685
00:44:22,952 --> 00:44:24,329
after three times of wearing.
686
00:44:24,454 --> 00:44:26,206
It's something
you will have for years.
687
00:44:26,998 --> 00:44:28,917
And you can think
of a birthday present, Randy,
688
00:44:29,042 --> 00:44:31,503
for something
for an 18th birthday I think
689
00:44:31,628 --> 00:44:35,048
a nice fitting suit is
a good-- good thing to do.
690
00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:38,426
Happy birthday, Joey.
You only turn 18 once.
691
00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:41,930
- What do you think about this?
- [Randy] Ah, that looks nice.
692
00:44:42,055 --> 00:44:45,183
Yeah. I like this one.
It suits my aura.
693
00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:48,395
The burgundy one?
That looks a little expensive.
694
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,688
- We'll take it.
- [Randy laughs]
695
00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:55,527
[Randy] Georg was working
in the family business
696
00:44:55,652 --> 00:44:57,904
and he discovered
these old ledgers going back,
697
00:44:58,029 --> 00:45:00,865
you know, a hundred, 150 years
and saw all these names
698
00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:02,867
that just didn't
exist anymore in Vienna.
699
00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:05,412
Like no one could answer like,
what happened to these families?
700
00:45:05,537 --> 00:45:07,247
So he decided to do research.
701
00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:13,211
[Georg] There's so
much cultural history here.
702
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:16,631
Actually, what-- what
genealogy is about is, um,
703
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:19,217
that every history
is made by people.
704
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:22,095
And, um, genealogy
is the question how
705
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:25,306
these people who are dealing
with are related to each other.
706
00:45:25,432 --> 00:45:26,975
And it's always a question of,
707
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:29,477
now genealogy is also
a question of biography.
708
00:45:29,602 --> 00:45:33,022
So these two things that match,
and I got interested because
709
00:45:33,148 --> 00:45:36,025
I've got all the old
books from-- from my company
710
00:45:36,151 --> 00:45:40,989
from the 19th century, um,
where people bought cloth and,
711
00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:43,533
um, everyone who got
one of these robes or,
712
00:45:43,658 --> 00:45:46,411
um, there was, uh,
the name written down.
713
00:45:46,536 --> 00:45:48,830
And then there was a little
piece of fabric glued in,
714
00:45:48,955 --> 00:45:51,749
and it was written
exactly what-- what was made.
715
00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:55,086
And I found out that there
was a huge layer in society,
716
00:45:55,211 --> 00:45:57,714
which was absolutely
the most important group
717
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,133
in Viennese society
for the intellectual output
718
00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:02,469
was completely destroyed
in Second World War.
719
00:46:02,594 --> 00:46:04,471
And I'm just trying
to reconstruct
720
00:46:04,596 --> 00:46:06,306
this layer of society.
721
00:46:06,431 --> 00:46:09,267
And so genealogy is
just a way to get an idea how
722
00:46:09,392 --> 00:46:11,853
this world
has been in those days.
723
00:46:13,146 --> 00:46:16,274
There's a-- a quite old book
from-- from 1912 and--
724
00:46:16,399 --> 00:46:18,026
and the second volume
was published
725
00:46:18,151 --> 00:46:20,820
a few years later
by Bernhard Wachstein.
726
00:46:20,945 --> 00:46:24,199
And he was a very,
very interesting, uh, figure
727
00:46:24,324 --> 00:46:27,202
because he was the director
of the Jewish library in Vienna.
728
00:46:27,327 --> 00:46:30,038
And, um,
he was probably the first
729
00:46:30,163 --> 00:46:33,666
really Jewish genealogist
who-- who did new methods.
730
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:36,085
So he went down
to the cemeteries
731
00:46:36,211 --> 00:46:38,254
and he transcribed
all the inscriptions
732
00:46:38,379 --> 00:46:40,882
and he-- he did lots
of research in the libraries
733
00:46:41,007 --> 00:46:44,511
and-- and he wrote these
two absolutely tremendous books.
734
00:46:44,636 --> 00:46:46,679
- And there you are.
- Oh, wow.
735
00:46:48,723 --> 00:46:51,434
I think for
your-- for your purposes,
736
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,145
I think you should go to
Prague and to do research there.
737
00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:56,356
I think you'll
find tremendous things.
738
00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:40,608
{\an8}[sentimental music playing]
739
00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:43,069
{\an8}[Randy] Julius Muller is like Wolf-Erich Eckstein
740
00:47:43,194 --> 00:47:44,904
{\an8} or Georg Gaugusch.
741
00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:46,656
{\an8} He's sort of my go-to guy in the Czech Republic.
742
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,580
[Julius] I like stories just not only about the data,
743
00:47:53,705 --> 00:47:55,957
death, marriage, birth, but also about
744
00:47:56,082 --> 00:47:58,001
the stories and about real people.
745
00:47:58,126 --> 00:48:02,255
So I would say I was reallyattracted by providing data for
746
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:04,257
other people, but at the same time,
747
00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:06,551
they provide me with their stories and their lives.
748
00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:08,720
So it's more complex.
749
00:48:08,845 --> 00:48:10,930
It's just regular profession. It's more than that for me.
750
00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:17,020
This is where
the wedding was officiated.
751
00:48:17,145 --> 00:48:21,441
And in August 12th, 1845,
752
00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:25,778
Josef Nachod Handelsmann
married Karoline Jontof
753
00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:28,031
and you can see in the books.
754
00:48:28,156 --> 00:48:31,075
The witnesses was
Gabriel Nachod, the father.
755
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,745
- His father, yeah.
- And Israel Jontof.
756
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:40,668
[Randy] The Altneuschul,
it's the oldest synagogue
757
00:48:40,793 --> 00:48:43,546
in the world that's
still continuously active.
758
00:48:43,671 --> 00:48:46,341
I would say
family reunion for me is
759
00:48:46,466 --> 00:48:48,926
the highlights of the genealogy.
760
00:48:49,594 --> 00:48:51,512
- [Randy] See that chair there?
- [Joey] Mm-hmm.
761
00:48:51,638 --> 00:48:53,765
That's the seat
of the Maharal.
762
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:56,559
Of the chief rabbi
who's our ancestor also.
763
00:48:57,977 --> 00:49:00,438
[Julius] If you grew up
in a socialist era,
764
00:49:00,563 --> 00:49:03,941
the things of individual
history are suppressed.
765
00:49:04,067 --> 00:49:06,319
So sort of
propaganda or ideology
766
00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:08,655
that you are just
part of something bigger.
767
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:13,201
After 1990, the whole society
became more individualistic.
768
00:49:13,326 --> 00:49:15,370
[Randy] And think about
our family being in here
769
00:49:15,495 --> 00:49:16,829
hundreds of years ago.
770
00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:20,291
Pretty cool.
771
00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:22,919
[Julius] So I started to work on
a family tree and gradually
772
00:49:23,044 --> 00:49:25,421
I realized that part
of the family was Jewish.
773
00:49:25,546 --> 00:49:27,965
I didn't know that
before until I was 25.
774
00:49:28,091 --> 00:49:30,218
So I started to go
to the synagogue,
775
00:49:30,343 --> 00:49:32,220
trying to learn Hebrew.
776
00:49:32,345 --> 00:49:35,181
For me, genealogy at
the very beginning was
777
00:49:35,306 --> 00:49:38,017
more like an entrance
through world of Judaism.
778
00:49:38,142 --> 00:49:40,353
Still even, 70 years
after the war,
779
00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:42,230
people are struggling to find
780
00:49:42,355 --> 00:49:44,941
a Jewish identity
in different ways.
781
00:49:45,066 --> 00:49:46,901
And those people
are coming to me.
782
00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:50,196
And I'm always
honestly warning them
783
00:49:50,321 --> 00:49:53,157
you will see probably things
you would never expect to see
784
00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:55,243
or learn about your own family.
785
00:49:55,368 --> 00:49:58,955
[chanting in Hebrew]
Hinei mah tov u-ma nayim.
786
00:49:59,414 --> 00:50:03,668
You can find out that from
50 relatives, 45 are killed.
787
00:50:03,793 --> 00:50:07,088
So they want to know and
they want to open the chapter,
788
00:50:07,213 --> 00:50:08,464
which is lost.
789
00:50:08,589 --> 00:50:10,091
And I think it's great.
790
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:15,763
{\an8}[Lenka] I would like to invite
you in the National Archives.
791
00:50:15,888 --> 00:50:19,600
On the tables, you can see
all the documents which we were
792
00:50:19,726 --> 00:50:22,979
able to collect about
your relatives and ancestors.
793
00:50:23,104 --> 00:50:26,691
The daughter of
Jose Nachod and Karoline Jontof.
794
00:50:26,816 --> 00:50:28,943
[Randy] So Josef,
the son of Gabriel and Eva.
795
00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:31,195
[Lenka] Yes. And mother
Karoline, the daughter of
796
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,741
Jacob Jontof-Hutter
and Franziska Zeimer.
797
00:50:34,866 --> 00:50:37,118
[Randy] So they're members
of the Altneuschul,
798
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:38,453
- that's where she was named.
- [Lenka] Yes.
799
00:50:38,578 --> 00:50:40,079
[Randy] Look at that.
800
00:50:40,204 --> 00:50:42,707
How many generation
you think are in there?
801
00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:47,253
- Five? Four? More.
- What do you think, Joey?
802
00:50:48,421 --> 00:50:50,047
So we're walking
through the family.
803
00:50:50,173 --> 00:50:51,632
- What's this now?
- Yes.
804
00:50:51,758 --> 00:50:54,385
- Let's see. This is the birth.
- Yes.
805
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:57,847
This is the birth record
of Josef Nachod.
806
00:50:57,972 --> 00:50:59,348
- Okay.
- Yes.
807
00:50:59,474 --> 00:51:02,894
With the father Gabriel
and mother Eva.
808
00:51:04,187 --> 00:51:05,730
Does it say
what their profession was?
809
00:51:05,855 --> 00:51:07,982
[Lenka in German]
Hochzeitsbieter.
810
00:51:08,107 --> 00:51:09,942
[Randy] Oh, yeah.
Hochzeitsbieter.
811
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:11,819
So this one does-- When they
died it says his profession
812
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,197
is a-- a marriage presenter.
813
00:51:14,322 --> 00:51:15,823
- Like a wedding planner.
- Yeah.
814
00:51:15,948 --> 00:51:18,159
So he was a wedding planner,
Gabriel Nachod.
815
00:51:18,284 --> 00:51:20,328
And he must have planned
his son's wedding too, right?
816
00:51:20,453 --> 00:51:21,913
[laughs] If that was his--
817
00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:24,081
Okay, so we're going
backwards in time.
818
00:51:24,207 --> 00:51:26,751
Joey, look at this one.
So now we're at the marriage.
819
00:51:26,876 --> 00:51:29,253
Yes. There is a marriage
of Gabriel.
820
00:51:29,378 --> 00:51:31,047
- 1801. Wow.
- Yes.
821
00:51:31,172 --> 00:51:32,924
And it has the house number, 85.
822
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:37,053
This is the census
of the Jews in 1794.
823
00:51:37,178 --> 00:51:39,263
It's a really
important collection.
824
00:51:39,388 --> 00:51:41,057
And so the interesting thing
is Gabriel Nachod
825
00:51:41,182 --> 00:51:43,267
is listed as a schulsinger,
a cantor.
826
00:51:43,976 --> 00:51:46,229
Remember, Pauline is
Arnold Schoenberg's mother.
827
00:51:46,354 --> 00:51:49,899
Josef is her father.
Gabriel is his father.
828
00:51:50,024 --> 00:51:53,569
And now it's says Gabriel is
the son of Avigdor and Pessel.
829
00:51:54,153 --> 00:51:56,614
Okay. So we're getting
into sort of more Jewish names.
830
00:51:56,739 --> 00:51:59,325
So this is the application
for permission to get married.
831
00:51:59,450 --> 00:52:04,539
So it's Avigdor Nachod,
Moyses Nachod's son,
832
00:52:04,664 --> 00:52:08,918
and then his bride, Pessel,
Josef Bunzel's daughter.
833
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:12,338
This is the maybe Jewish census
or always of Jews from,
834
00:52:12,463 --> 00:52:18,219
uh, of, uh, living in
Prague of 1729.
835
00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:22,014
[Randy] Moyses Benet. So the--
Moyses, son of Benet Nachod.
836
00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:26,561
His wife Hindele, and children
837
00:52:26,686 --> 00:52:30,731
Simcha and Fig-- Avigdor.
838
00:52:30,857 --> 00:52:32,859
[Randy] Figdor, yeah.
Figdor, which is Avigdor,
839
00:52:32,984 --> 00:52:34,318
the same thing.
And her daughter Rossel.
840
00:52:34,443 --> 00:52:36,445
[Lenka] There is a Benet Nachod.
841
00:52:36,571 --> 00:52:38,489
[Randy] And it says
his occupation.
842
00:52:38,614 --> 00:52:40,992
- [Lenka] Yes. Juwelier.
- A jeweler.
843
00:52:41,117 --> 00:52:43,286
- Yeah. Gems.
- Yeah. So it's your-- your
844
00:52:43,411 --> 00:52:44,996
great-great-great-great-
845
00:52:45,121 --> 00:52:46,956
great-great-great
grandfather, Benet Nachod.
846
00:52:47,081 --> 00:52:49,292
Yeah. So next time you
tell me that I'm crazy,
847
00:52:49,417 --> 00:52:51,168
I'll tell you that
our family did it.
848
00:52:53,546 --> 00:52:55,381
[Lenka] After the changes,
849
00:52:55,506 --> 00:52:59,552
so many people came without
family, without maybe memories.
850
00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:02,513
{\an8}So for us,
it's nice when the people are
851
00:53:02,638 --> 00:53:06,601
{\an8}able to find some information
about the family, and especially
852
00:53:06,726 --> 00:53:09,854
{\an8}for the Jewish people,
because a lot, lot of them,
853
00:53:10,813 --> 00:53:16,027
{\an8}uh, couldn't-- can't find,
uh, the roots of the family.
854
00:53:20,364 --> 00:53:21,908
[Randy] My thinking is that the family
855
00:53:22,033 --> 00:53:24,076
came up to Prague around 1560
856
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,995
because things changed in Venice.
857
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,539
The Venetians decide that they're going to burn
858
00:53:28,664 --> 00:53:31,042
all of the Jewish books that they can find.
859
00:53:31,167 --> 00:53:33,669
That's when this family of doctors,
860
00:53:33,794 --> 00:53:35,630
astronomers and philosophers,
861
00:53:35,755 --> 00:53:37,506
so they came up to Prague thinking it would be safe.
862
00:53:37,632 --> 00:53:39,133
And then in 1564,
863
00:53:39,258 --> 00:53:41,010
they had the same thing here in Prague.
864
00:53:42,345 --> 00:53:45,598
They're trying to escape these periodic persecutions.
865
00:53:46,641 --> 00:53:49,518
This is the first
liber judeorum.
866
00:53:49,644 --> 00:53:51,938
It's from the 1500s.
867
00:53:52,063 --> 00:53:56,609
This is the actual book
that they were using in 1579
868
00:53:56,734 --> 00:54:00,154
to record transactions
involving Jews.
869
00:54:00,279 --> 00:54:02,698
And this one is in Czech,
not German.
870
00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:05,952
So at this time,
the King of Bohemia is Czech.
871
00:54:06,077 --> 00:54:07,703
And so they write all
the records in Czech
872
00:54:07,828 --> 00:54:12,208
and here on the lower left
is the mother-in-law of
873
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:17,004
Salvator Chalfan, doctor,
Jewish doctor.
874
00:54:17,129 --> 00:54:20,174
So Salvator Chalfan,
we believe is the same as
875
00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:24,095
Abba Mari Chalfan, who is
the son of Eliyahu Chalfan.
876
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:26,180
Salvator was this Christian name
877
00:54:26,305 --> 00:54:28,641
that they would use
with non-Jews,
878
00:54:28,766 --> 00:54:32,269
for Abba Mari Chalfan,
who's our oldest ancestor
879
00:54:32,395 --> 00:54:33,729
who came here to Prague.
880
00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:37,650
These are books that
they kept all
881
00:54:37,775 --> 00:54:42,029
of the transactions
related to Jews because
882
00:54:42,154 --> 00:54:46,325
the Jews were allowed to own
their houses and-- and inherit.
883
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:48,160
Here it is. I found it.
884
00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:50,579
So this is--
see here's Frumetl.
885
00:54:50,705 --> 00:54:52,206
See it says her former husband.
886
00:54:52,331 --> 00:54:53,916
And this is new husband.
887
00:54:54,041 --> 00:54:55,876
And so maybe it's
a transfer of the property
888
00:54:56,002 --> 00:54:59,380
and it has references then
to other pages in other books.
889
00:54:59,505 --> 00:55:02,008
So in 1690,
they're using this book
890
00:55:02,133 --> 00:55:04,885
to record the mortgages
and transactions.
891
00:55:05,011 --> 00:55:06,595
So this is the Nachod family.
892
00:55:06,721 --> 00:55:09,890
So Arnold Schoenberg's mom
is Pauline Nachod.
893
00:55:10,016 --> 00:55:11,934
- Yeah.
- So this is her direct ancestor.
894
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:15,479
Pauline was
born in Prague in 1848.
895
00:55:15,604 --> 00:55:18,607
And her father's Joseph
and his father's Gabriel.
896
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:20,860
And Gabriel's father is Avigdor.
897
00:55:20,985 --> 00:55:23,320
And Avigdor's father
is-- is Moyses
898
00:55:23,446 --> 00:55:25,656
and Moyses' father is Benet
899
00:55:25,781 --> 00:55:28,701
and Benet's mother is Frumetl.
900
00:55:28,826 --> 00:55:30,995
[laughs] Okay. So it just
goes up, up, up, up, up.
901
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,456
Okay. So that's our ancestor.
And Frumetl also.
902
00:55:33,581 --> 00:55:35,374
But this is
such a useful document
903
00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:37,460
because it has the whole family.
Right? This is not online.
904
00:55:37,585 --> 00:55:39,462
And maybe because
when they scanned it,
905
00:55:39,587 --> 00:55:41,714
they didn't have a big enough
scanner and they're just shocked
906
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,507
that anybody
wants to look at it.
907
00:55:43,632 --> 00:55:45,092
That's why they're letting us
touch them because
908
00:55:45,217 --> 00:55:46,844
I'm the only person in 200 years
909
00:55:46,969 --> 00:55:48,262
who wants to look at this,
right?
910
00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:51,098
[soft rock music playing]
911
00:55:54,143 --> 00:55:55,936
[Randy] I think I was maybe
912
00:55:56,062 --> 00:55:57,730
more surprised at how enjoyable it was for me
913
00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:00,191
retracing some of the steps with my son.
914
00:56:01,150 --> 00:56:03,819
Joey might have gained some appreciation of why
915
00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:06,072
I do my research and why I'm so persistent in
916
00:56:06,197 --> 00:56:08,157
tracking things down.
917
00:56:08,282 --> 00:56:10,659
I think he might have seen some of the beauty that's involved.
918
00:56:24,006 --> 00:56:29,053
♪
919
00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:44,485
[Julius] This is only a fragment
of the former cemetery
920
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:47,613
established about 1680
for the victims of a plague.
921
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:51,492
{\an8}And then another wave
of disease came about 1715.
922
00:56:51,617 --> 00:56:53,869
{\an8}Since 1787,
Joseph II decided
923
00:56:53,994 --> 00:56:57,331
{\an8}all Jewish cemeteries
should be outside of the town.
924
00:56:57,456 --> 00:57:00,668
So that's why they decided
to use that place again.
925
00:57:00,793 --> 00:57:02,753
And they used it for
another a hundred years.
926
00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:05,256
And I think
that I read somewhere,
927
00:57:05,381 --> 00:57:08,175
there's about 30,000 graves
altogether in this place.
928
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:12,513
1989 most of the cemetery was
grabbed by the structure because
929
00:57:12,638 --> 00:57:15,224
they were developing
a broadcasting station
930
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:19,061
and they were also using it
for interfering with
931
00:57:19,186 --> 00:57:21,272
the broadcasting of
a Radio Free Europe
932
00:57:21,397 --> 00:57:24,191
and Voice of America,
my father's favorites.
933
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:26,193
Because of that,
you know, bloody tower,
934
00:57:26,318 --> 00:57:28,487
we had to tune again and again
and again to get the radio.
935
00:57:30,114 --> 00:57:32,449
You can hardly see the yellow
building is the two towers.
936
00:57:32,575 --> 00:57:36,036
We all knew that the very
last floor, there was a spies.
937
00:57:36,162 --> 00:57:37,621
There was, you know,
938
00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:40,040
counterespionage people
listening to calls
939
00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:42,710
that we are connecting,
knowing nothing.
940
00:57:42,835 --> 00:57:44,503
[Randy] Were a lot of
graves lost when they put
941
00:57:44,628 --> 00:57:46,463
- in the-- the tower?
- [Julius] Yeah.
942
00:57:46,589 --> 00:57:48,465
I think it's, yeah, say about
10% maximum is still left,
943
00:57:48,591 --> 00:57:50,509
maybe even less than 10%.
944
00:57:50,634 --> 00:57:52,595
[Randy] So 90% of
the graves were removed
945
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,639
just to build
that ugly postmodern--
946
00:57:55,764 --> 00:57:57,975
Well, it's an industrial
and brutal political act.
947
00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:59,685
- Yes.
- Yeah.
948
00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:01,437
It's not primarily
anti-Semitic, I would say.
949
00:58:01,562 --> 00:58:03,647
It's an industrial
and brutal political act.
950
00:58:03,772 --> 00:58:05,441
- Right.
- [Randy] Yeah.
951
00:58:05,566 --> 00:58:07,484
So sad because it was
just right-- right before
952
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:09,361
everything changed
for the better.
953
00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:12,531
So to build the tower,
they had to remove headstones?
954
00:58:12,656 --> 00:58:15,367
Yeah. But probably they
destroyed all of those things.
955
00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,244
They just transferred
it somewhere.
956
00:58:17,369 --> 00:58:19,288
I don't know what
ritual they observed.
957
00:58:19,413 --> 00:58:20,915
Probably they didn't care.
958
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,625
[Randy] I've heard
sometimes they show up
959
00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:24,043
as cobblestones in the street.
I don't know.
960
00:58:24,168 --> 00:58:25,669
[Julius]
It's about the skeletons.
961
00:58:25,794 --> 00:58:27,421
You know?
What happened with the bodies?
962
00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:30,507
What kind of respect
they paid those remnants?
963
00:58:30,633 --> 00:58:32,134
[Randy] I've never been able to
964
00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:34,345
find any of the graves
of my family here.
965
00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:38,515
So Daniel Polakovic
told me that he looked for
966
00:58:38,641 --> 00:58:40,100
the Nachod graves
and he couldn't
967
00:58:40,226 --> 00:58:43,395
find the ones for,
uh, Avigdor and Gabriel.
968
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,398
But he said-- he said
they were around this area here
969
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:48,776
that's sort of empty next
to this big giant thing and--
970
00:58:48,901 --> 00:58:51,612
and that he found
one member of the family.
971
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:53,906
So I'm gonna look for
that member of the family.
972
00:58:54,031 --> 00:58:56,450
And it has a triangle at the top
and a line down the middle
973
00:58:56,575 --> 00:58:58,452
because it's the wife
and the husband together.
974
00:58:58,577 --> 00:59:01,622
Her name is Ester Winternitz,
but she's born Nachod and she's
975
00:59:01,747 --> 00:59:05,751
the first cousin of Avigdor
Daniel Nachod, our ancestor.
976
00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:07,378
So do you see a triangle?
977
00:59:07,503 --> 00:59:09,505
Ooh, there's one there.
Look at that. Okay.
978
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:11,674
[Julius] You can really close
your eyes and go straight
979
00:59:11,799 --> 00:59:13,634
to it because those
things happen all the time.
980
00:59:13,759 --> 00:59:15,135
[laughs] I know that.
981
00:59:15,261 --> 00:59:16,971
[Julius]
I know what I'm talking about.
982
00:59:17,096 --> 00:59:18,847
Wait a second. I think it's
this-- I think it's this one.
983
00:59:18,973 --> 00:59:20,516
It's hard to tell,
but it looks like there's
984
00:59:20,641 --> 00:59:23,269
this line just like in
the picture and a crack.
985
00:59:23,394 --> 00:59:24,895
- It's definitely this one.
- [Julius] Yeah. Yeah.
986
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:27,481
Wait, okay.
So-- so it should be right here.
987
00:59:27,606 --> 00:59:30,859
It should say
Josef Ausch-- her--
988
00:59:31,402 --> 00:59:34,655
the neat thing about this is
it references her ancestor.
989
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:38,867
I see it in the picture.
It says Joseph Ausch SeGal.
990
00:59:38,993 --> 00:59:42,788
So her-- her ancestor
is that famous, the head
991
00:59:42,913 --> 00:59:47,584
of the land Rosh Medina,
Joseph Ausch, who died in 1685.
992
00:59:50,754 --> 00:59:53,549
[Julius] But people still
coming in here, you know,
993
00:59:53,674 --> 00:59:55,884
paying homage to
the significant people,
994
00:59:56,010 --> 00:59:57,845
trying to find
your ancestor's place,
995
00:59:59,346 --> 01:00:00,889
which is also great mitzvah.
996
01:00:02,057 --> 01:00:04,184
[sentimental music playing]
997
01:00:18,365 --> 01:00:20,034
{\an8}[Randy]
Petr Wilheim is a cousin on
998
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:21,952
{\an8} the [indistinct] side.
999
01:00:22,077 --> 01:00:23,620
Our families were separated after World War II
1000
01:00:23,746 --> 01:00:25,664
and they really had no contact at all.
1001
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:28,042
It wasn't until I was doing genealogy research
1002
01:00:28,167 --> 01:00:30,836
in the '80s and '90s that a cousin contacted us.
1003
01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:33,005
And through that cousin I found Petr.
1004
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:34,965
And then we met for the first time at
1005
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:37,551
a family reunion that we did in 1996.
1006
01:00:39,803 --> 01:00:42,097
So I'm so happy that I was able to find him and meet him.
1007
01:00:42,222 --> 01:00:44,558
And I think he enjoys it also having cousins, uh,
1008
01:00:44,683 --> 01:00:46,560
like all of these families like mine,
1009
01:00:46,685 --> 01:00:48,228
where everybody's strewn all over the world.
1010
01:00:48,354 --> 01:00:50,272
And so one of the nice things about
1011
01:00:50,397 --> 01:00:52,983
genealogy is bringing all these families together.
1012
01:00:53,108 --> 01:00:55,652
Now, every time I come here,
[laughs] we-- we hang out
1013
01:00:55,778 --> 01:00:58,697
together and we visit,
uh, visit the cemetery where
1014
01:00:58,822 --> 01:01:00,366
he-- he works and volunteers.
1015
01:01:00,491 --> 01:01:02,576
And, uh,
we took about 45 years for
1016
01:01:02,701 --> 01:01:04,161
everybody to come back together.
1017
01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:05,537
But now we're good friends.
1018
01:01:06,622 --> 01:01:07,706
- [Petr] My cousin.
- [Randy] And here we are.
1019
01:01:07,831 --> 01:01:10,459
Well, that's-- that's the grave.
1020
01:01:16,423 --> 01:01:18,050
- That's his father.
- Yeah.
1021
01:01:18,175 --> 01:01:19,676
- [speaking foreign language]
- His mother, Hana.
1022
01:01:19,802 --> 01:01:22,471
- Uncle.
- His uncle, Pavel.
1023
01:01:23,305 --> 01:01:25,599
- Rosvalto.
- That's the grandfather.
1024
01:01:25,724 --> 01:01:30,437
- [speaking German]
- He was from Austria.
1025
01:01:31,605 --> 01:01:34,983
So where it says no date,
right, has just a question
1026
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:37,611
mark, an... [speaking German]
1027
01:01:37,736 --> 01:01:42,616
[Petr speaking German]
1028
01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:45,285
{\an8}No one knows where they're--
1029
01:01:45,411 --> 01:01:48,288
{\an8}they were murdered in which--
1030
01:01:48,414 --> 01:01:53,252
{\an8}[words on screen]
1031
01:02:14,022 --> 01:02:16,775
{\an8}[words on screen]
1032
01:02:20,946 --> 01:02:23,407
[Randy] It's a pilgrimage site,
I think, for people.
1033
01:02:24,116 --> 01:02:26,160
And, um, there it is.
1034
01:02:26,285 --> 01:02:28,495
Franz Kafka,
he died very young.
1035
01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:31,373
His best friend,
Max Brod was also
1036
01:02:31,498 --> 01:02:33,333
a music journalist
and wrote reviews of
1037
01:02:33,459 --> 01:02:35,878
our-- our grandfather's
performances in Prague.
1038
01:02:37,129 --> 01:02:38,922
[Arnie] What was
your favorite book out of, uh--
1039
01:02:39,047 --> 01:02:42,342
The Trial I really liked
because it's really just
1040
01:02:42,468 --> 01:02:44,720
a nightmare about turning 30.
[laughs]
1041
01:02:44,845 --> 01:02:46,722
The whole book.
1042
01:02:46,847 --> 01:02:48,807
He wakes up on his 30th birthday
and by a year later he's dead.
1043
01:02:48,932 --> 01:02:50,726
So I always thought
that that's really--
1044
01:02:50,851 --> 01:02:53,145
it's all just about
his anxiety of turning 30.
1045
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:55,522
[sentimental music playing]
1046
01:02:59,943 --> 01:03:02,404
Everybody,
welcome to this amazing
1047
01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:03,989
cousin event here in Prague.
1048
01:03:04,114 --> 01:03:05,824
I'm so happy to be here.
1049
01:03:05,949 --> 01:03:08,702
This is my son, Joey,
who's on this adventure with me.
1050
01:03:08,827 --> 01:03:12,122
We just came from Vienna
and we're seeing
1051
01:03:12,247 --> 01:03:15,876
all sorts of amazing documents
and graves and things.
1052
01:03:16,001 --> 01:03:18,921
We're tracing our family
history back 500 years.
1053
01:03:19,046 --> 01:03:21,840
And on the way we're discovering
a lot of our cousins,
1054
01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:25,552
the first I'm gonna say about
Michaela, who's very special.
1055
01:03:25,677 --> 01:03:27,846
I went and-- and found you.
1056
01:03:27,971 --> 01:03:30,015
Since then, Michaela
and I have been very close.
1057
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:32,809
[soft music playing]
1058
01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:54,456
[Michaela] 30 years ago,
my neighbor told me,
1059
01:03:54,581 --> 01:03:57,459
"You have an American cousin
here in house."
1060
01:03:57,584 --> 01:03:59,586
"No,
I have no cousin in America."
1061
01:03:59,711 --> 01:04:02,339
"Yes, he's sitting
in our house."
1062
01:04:04,216 --> 01:04:05,300
I came home.
1063
01:04:12,224 --> 01:04:16,520
So I first time saw
Randy it was--
1064
01:04:16,812 --> 01:04:20,065
it was very, very beautiful.
1065
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:26,113
♪
1066
01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:31,743
My father died
several years ago.
1067
01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:35,205
My brother died
several years ago and, uh, ago.
1068
01:04:35,330 --> 01:04:40,127
And I was the only one
knowing nobody here.
1069
01:04:40,252 --> 01:04:42,337
[Randy] Michaela
took me immediately out
1070
01:04:42,462 --> 01:04:43,797
into the countryside.
1071
01:04:44,381 --> 01:04:47,217
[upbeat music playing]
1072
01:04:49,011 --> 01:04:50,929
I don't know anybody
in Czech Republic.
1073
01:04:51,054 --> 01:04:52,681
Michaela's gonna show me around.
1074
01:04:52,806 --> 01:04:54,349
So we went to the countryside
1075
01:04:54,474 --> 01:04:56,184
and she said,
"I wanna go hunting mushrooms."
1076
01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:58,437
[laughter] Now I had
never done anything like that.
1077
01:04:58,562 --> 01:05:02,482
And-- and I thought, okay.
Okay, we'll go for mushrooms.
1078
01:05:02,608 --> 01:05:04,192
So-- so we were
walking through the forest
1079
01:05:04,318 --> 01:05:06,153
and I-- I saw
a mushroom and I said,
1080
01:05:06,278 --> 01:05:07,696
"Michaela,
Michaela, here's a mushroom."
1081
01:05:07,821 --> 01:05:09,656
And she says,
"Ooh, that's strange.
1082
01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:11,158
Sure about that?"
1083
01:05:11,283 --> 01:05:12,659
Okay, we take it
and put it in the basket.
1084
01:05:12,784 --> 01:05:14,661
[laughter] So--
so at the end,
1085
01:05:14,786 --> 01:05:17,539
she had all of these mushrooms
that she wasn't sure about.
1086
01:05:17,664 --> 01:05:20,125
And I was, you know,
I met her yesterday, right?
1087
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:21,793
And she said,
"Okay, I'll ask an expert."
1088
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,670
And you-- you got out
of the car and you went
1089
01:05:23,795 --> 01:05:26,131
and called this lady down
and then talk, talk, talk.
1090
01:05:26,256 --> 01:05:27,591
And then you
came back in the car
1091
01:05:27,716 --> 01:05:29,426
and said, "Yeah,
I think it's okay."
1092
01:05:29,718 --> 01:05:33,055
Right? And so they went home and
you made this delicious stew.
1093
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:35,015
It smelled good,
but I thought
1094
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:36,683
I was probably
going to die, right?
1095
01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:39,519
So that-- so
I waited until the first bite
1096
01:05:39,645 --> 01:05:41,605
and I thought, "Okay,
she didn't die immediately,
1097
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:43,357
so maybe I should try it too."
1098
01:05:43,482 --> 01:05:45,484
And I-- and I ate
and the food was delicious.
1099
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:47,819
I-- I remember that
like it was yesterday.
1100
01:05:52,616 --> 01:05:53,950
[laughs]
1101
01:05:54,326 --> 01:05:56,870
My name is Radmila Iblová.
1102
01:05:56,995 --> 01:06:03,043
And we, uh, discovered
the really fantastic,
1103
01:06:03,168 --> 01:06:07,047
um, family tree
thanks to Randy.
1104
01:06:07,172 --> 01:06:14,137
I didn't know about
nobody of my family, um, roots.
1105
01:06:14,262 --> 01:06:17,891
And I remember
the date when we wrote him.
1106
01:06:18,016 --> 01:06:21,812
"Hi, Randy, do you know
anything about our family tree?"
1107
01:06:21,937 --> 01:06:24,439
And he answered immediately.
1108
01:06:24,564 --> 01:06:27,818
"You know that you have
your very close relatives
1109
01:06:27,943 --> 01:06:31,238
in Milan
and also in Haifa."
1110
01:06:31,363 --> 01:06:34,408
And we said, "No,
we didn't know about that
1111
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:39,329
because nobody knew
that somebody survived the war
1112
01:06:39,454 --> 01:06:40,956
in the Czech Republic."
1113
01:06:41,081 --> 01:06:45,085
And we began the new life,
thanks to Randy.
1114
01:06:45,919 --> 01:06:49,506
My mother,
she is Renata Pavelková,
1115
01:06:50,215 --> 01:06:53,719
she was born
in the partly Jewish family.
1116
01:06:53,844 --> 01:06:58,765
And unfortunately, she was
as a seven years old child,
1117
01:06:59,182 --> 01:07:01,893
uh, in Terezín camp.
1118
01:07:02,853 --> 01:07:04,896
Luckily, she survived.
1119
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,816
But unfortunately
for a very long time,
1120
01:07:07,941 --> 01:07:10,485
she was not able
to talk about this history.
1121
01:07:39,514 --> 01:07:42,309
It's an amazing, amazing
privilege to meet someone
1122
01:07:42,434 --> 01:07:44,644
who was actually
a witness to that event.
1123
01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:47,814
I just feel the need
to find all of you.
1124
01:07:47,939 --> 01:07:49,566
And it makes me so happy
to see all of you
1125
01:07:49,691 --> 01:07:51,276
sitting here today,
1126
01:07:51,401 --> 01:07:53,069
especially the little ones
at the end there.
1127
01:07:53,195 --> 01:07:55,113
So thank you all for coming.
1128
01:07:55,238 --> 01:07:57,365
Thank you. And, uh,
for allowing me to introduce,
1129
01:07:57,491 --> 01:07:59,201
Joey, my next generation
1130
01:07:59,326 --> 01:08:01,995
who may or may not be
interested in genealogy.
1131
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,538
We're--
1132
01:08:03,997 --> 01:08:05,248
- I'll leave an open mind.
- [Randy] You're gonna have
1133
01:08:05,373 --> 01:08:06,917
- an open mind. Good.
- Yeah.
1134
01:08:07,042 --> 01:08:08,335
- Open-minded.
- [Randy] That's-- that's all
1135
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:09,252
- that's required.
- It's very nice
1136
01:08:09,377 --> 01:08:10,212
to meet all of you.
1137
01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:12,297
[laughter]
1138
01:08:12,756 --> 01:08:15,634
[soft music playing]
1139
01:08:37,989 --> 01:08:40,492
[sad music playing]
1140
01:08:48,124 --> 01:08:50,085
{\an8}[archivist] The archive of
the Jewish Museum in Prague
1141
01:08:50,210 --> 01:08:51,628
{\an8}look after the records
1142
01:08:51,753 --> 01:08:53,421
{\an8}of the individual
Jewish communities
1143
01:08:53,547 --> 01:08:56,091
{\an8}in Bohemia
and Moravia and Silesia.
1144
01:08:56,216 --> 01:08:58,677
We have one simple
and serious goal.
1145
01:08:58,802 --> 01:09:03,348
Protect the records and preserve
them to the next generation.
1146
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:05,517
Like a testimony.
1147
01:09:05,642 --> 01:09:07,519
Yeah, yeah.
1148
01:09:07,644 --> 01:09:09,604
So you have a bunch of things
I think you found for my family.
1149
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:12,983
Yeah. We have here, uh--
uh, a familianten book.
1150
01:09:13,108 --> 01:09:14,484
It was a quota,
a limit
1151
01:09:14,609 --> 01:09:16,152
on the number
of Jewish families.
1152
01:09:16,278 --> 01:09:18,363
So one person had to die
before the next person
1153
01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:19,990
could get married.
1154
01:09:20,115 --> 01:09:21,950
And they kept track
of these in giant books.
1155
01:09:22,075 --> 01:09:24,744
[archivist] There is the family
of Gabriel Nachod.
1156
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:26,246
[Randy] Right?
So that's Nachod Gabriel
1157
01:09:26,371 --> 01:09:28,164
and that's
his father of Avigdor
1158
01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:30,834
and his mother Pessel
and has a date under that.
1159
01:09:30,959 --> 01:09:33,336
And then the next--
next column is his wife.
1160
01:09:33,461 --> 01:09:36,882
Ava, the daughter
of Moises Zodex.
1161
01:09:37,549 --> 01:09:39,634
And-- and he gives
sort of a number
1162
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,303
when they were married in 1801.
1163
01:09:41,428 --> 01:09:43,054
Permission to-- to do marriage.
1164
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:45,307
[man] It's like
a eugenics program.
1165
01:09:45,432 --> 01:09:48,268
And if you look on this column
here, it has-- has the children.
1166
01:09:48,977 --> 01:09:51,813
Has the sons. Uh,
not the-- not the daughters.
1167
01:09:51,938 --> 01:09:53,064
They didn't list the daughters.
1168
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:54,941
So first was Simon, who died.
1169
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:57,277
And then there's
Philipp and Josef,
1170
01:09:57,402 --> 01:09:59,821
who's
our great-great-grandfather.
1171
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,491
Can see there's
some kind of announcements
1172
01:10:03,617 --> 01:10:05,035
to the marriage.
1173
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,620
[Randy] He was
allowed to get married
1174
01:10:06,745 --> 01:10:08,163
because his older brother
had moved away.
1175
01:10:08,288 --> 01:10:10,457
He went to Vienna
to study medicine
1176
01:10:10,582 --> 01:10:11,750
and then ended up in Hungary.
1177
01:10:11,875 --> 01:10:13,501
- Got it.
- Where he was a doctor.
1178
01:10:13,627 --> 01:10:16,546
And so, uh, that's
why our great-great-grandfather
1179
01:10:16,671 --> 01:10:18,173
Josef was allowed
to get married.
1180
01:10:18,298 --> 01:10:19,758
Yeah. The Pinkas synagogue.
1181
01:10:19,883 --> 01:10:22,719
And it's-- it says
the date there in 1845.
1182
01:10:22,844 --> 01:10:26,014
So that's our great-great
grandparents' marriage contract.
1183
01:10:26,139 --> 01:10:28,224
And that their marriage
is gonna be announced.
1184
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:30,685
[archivist] When you wanted
to-- to get married,
1185
01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:33,521
you have to pay
some money to the state.
1186
01:10:33,647 --> 01:10:35,607
There is
some kind of records,
1187
01:10:35,732 --> 01:10:39,194
some kind of documents
that they pay 500 florins.
1188
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:40,862
It's like the receipts.
1189
01:10:41,154 --> 01:10:42,906
Well, that's how the--
the government raised money
1190
01:10:43,031 --> 01:10:45,033
from the Jews
by charging fees
1191
01:10:45,158 --> 01:10:46,618
every time they needed
to do something.
1192
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:48,244
So every--
every time you--
1193
01:10:48,370 --> 01:10:49,996
you got married
or you opened a new business
1194
01:10:50,121 --> 01:10:52,666
or you built a house
or sold something, right?
1195
01:10:52,791 --> 01:10:53,875
Just like today.
1196
01:10:55,877 --> 01:10:58,213
This is in--
in Hebrew or Yiddish.
1197
01:10:58,338 --> 01:10:59,422
Which-- which is it?
1198
01:10:59,756 --> 01:11:01,299
Daniel, you're-- Daniel.
1199
01:11:01,424 --> 01:11:03,510
[Randy] You're
the expert at reading this.
1200
01:11:03,635 --> 01:11:04,928
Is it Hebrew or Yiddish?
1201
01:11:05,428 --> 01:11:06,513
{\an8}What is it?
1202
01:11:11,101 --> 01:11:12,477
{\an8}[Randy] 1756. Right?
1203
01:11:12,602 --> 01:11:14,270
{\an8}It must be 17--
'cause this is Avigdor.
1204
01:11:14,396 --> 01:11:16,064
This is the father of Gabriel
1205
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:17,899
who we just
saw the familianten.
1206
01:11:18,024 --> 01:11:20,735
This is a lawsuit
between Avigdor Nachod
1207
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:24,322
and his employer,
a guy named Beer Schefteles.
1208
01:11:24,447 --> 01:11:26,616
It's session protocols
of the beth din,
1209
01:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,368
of the rabbinical court.
1210
01:11:28,493 --> 01:11:30,328
This is really amazing
1211
01:11:30,453 --> 01:11:34,207
how much detail you have
of the day-to-day lives.
1212
01:11:34,332 --> 01:11:37,544
[Randy] This is our great
great-great-great-grandfather.
1213
01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:40,672
This is an event
that happened over 250 years ago
1214
01:11:40,797 --> 01:11:42,173
and here
we are looking at it.
1215
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:44,509
You feel like you almost
know 'em a little bit, right?
1216
01:11:44,634 --> 01:11:46,886
[archivist] Perhaps you have
heard about a great expulsion
1217
01:11:47,012 --> 01:11:50,265
of the Jews
during the era of Maria Theresa.
1218
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:51,933
[Randy] Look at that.
1219
01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:53,309
Avigdor and his whole
family were expelled
1220
01:11:53,435 --> 01:11:55,645
from Prague in 1745.
1221
01:11:55,979 --> 01:11:58,231
And then they were
allowed to return in 1748.
1222
01:12:11,703 --> 01:12:14,998
So the Pinkas synagogue
kept a book recording the--
1223
01:12:15,123 --> 01:12:16,499
who owned
the seat basically, right?
1224
01:12:16,624 --> 01:12:18,793
It was-- it was
like a property record.
1225
01:12:21,796 --> 01:12:23,882
{\an8}[Randy] So now we'll
have an idea where he was
1226
01:12:24,007 --> 01:12:26,342
{\an8}in the Pinkas synagogue
where they were sitting.
1227
01:12:26,801 --> 01:12:30,096
So this is a tax book
for Manes Nachod, right,
1228
01:12:30,221 --> 01:12:31,681
from 1685.
1229
01:12:31,806 --> 01:12:33,850
Benet Nachod
and his father, Manes,
1230
01:12:33,975 --> 01:12:37,062
apparently they were frequent
visitors to the Leipzig Fair
1231
01:12:37,187 --> 01:12:39,606
where people came from far
and wide to trade things.
1232
01:12:39,731 --> 01:12:41,691
{\an8}And you have a little
book here too. What's that?
1233
01:12:49,741 --> 01:12:51,743
{\an8}And when did he die?
When does it say he died?
1234
01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:56,081
{\an8}1586.
Oh, my gosh.
1235
01:12:56,915 --> 01:12:59,584
And that-- so that grave
is in the old cemetery?
1236
01:13:01,127 --> 01:13:03,088
{\an8}Are you gonna show that?
Will you show that to us?
1237
01:13:03,755 --> 01:13:07,175
{\an8}[dramatic music playing]
1238
01:13:15,767 --> 01:13:17,060
[Randy] Yeah, it does.
1239
01:13:17,936 --> 01:13:22,023
Daniel's gonna show us,
he says the oldest grave of--
1240
01:13:22,148 --> 01:13:24,818
of the Chalfan family here.
1241
01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:31,116
♪
1242
01:13:43,211 --> 01:13:44,629
The Nachod family is there?
1243
01:13:46,047 --> 01:13:48,341
[Daniel] The father
of the family Manes.
1244
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,094
So which one--
So that's Manes Nachod?
1245
01:13:52,637 --> 01:13:53,972
{\an8}And that's Frumetl.
1246
01:13:54,556 --> 01:13:57,767
Frumetl,
the wife of Manes Nachod,
1247
01:13:57,892 --> 01:13:59,602
daughter of Joseph Ausch.
1248
01:14:03,314 --> 01:14:04,399
{\an8}[Randy] We saw lots of--
1249
01:14:05,358 --> 01:14:08,111
{\an8}[Joey] You're saying he's rich
because the grave is fancy?
1250
01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:31,676
I brought
the Wachstein book with me.
1251
01:14:31,801 --> 01:14:33,136
So let's-- let's look at that.
1252
01:14:33,261 --> 01:14:34,345
I thought
we might need this...
1253
01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:37,182
because there's
so much back and forth
1254
01:14:37,307 --> 01:14:39,475
from-- from Vienna
and Prague.
1255
01:14:39,601 --> 01:14:41,853
So let's look up Heschel
and see what it says.
1256
01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:43,062
So Heschel--
1257
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:46,608
Heschel ben-- Elia. See Chalfan.
1258
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:48,776
So the name was-- was Chalfan.
1259
01:15:11,132 --> 01:15:12,300
{\an8}It's a long time ago.
1260
01:15:12,425 --> 01:15:13,509
It is.
1261
01:15:15,803 --> 01:15:20,099
{\an8}[Randy] Abba Mari,
the son of Dr. Elia Chalfan
1262
01:15:21,476 --> 01:15:23,269
{\an8}from 1586.
Wow.
1263
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:28,191
[soft music playing]
1264
01:15:35,782 --> 01:15:38,618
There aren't too many
other places in Europe left
1265
01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:41,079
that have
any Jewish character,
1266
01:15:41,204 --> 01:15:45,667
let alone something as moving
as the Old Cemetery in Prague,
1267
01:15:45,792 --> 01:15:48,002
which is, you know,
not only beautiful
1268
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,588
to look at,
but also the final resting place
1269
01:15:50,713 --> 01:15:52,340
of so many
of my family members.
1270
01:15:52,465 --> 01:15:54,300
So you have to be grateful
for what they have.
1271
01:15:58,805 --> 01:16:00,723
[upbeat music playing]
1272
01:16:00,848 --> 01:16:02,767
Going to Theresienstadt
is difficult.
1273
01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:05,144
It's like a ghost
town in a way,
1274
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:07,146
and yet there's still people
living there
1275
01:16:07,272 --> 01:16:10,066
because it was originally a
city, it was a garrison town.
1276
01:16:10,775 --> 01:16:15,363
It's just bizarre being in
a former Nazi concentration camp
1277
01:16:15,488 --> 01:16:17,991
and then seeing its function
as an ordinary city.
1278
01:16:22,662 --> 01:16:24,914
{\an8}When the Nazis
took over Czechoslovakia
1279
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,500
{\an8}and they started sending
trainloads of Jews
1280
01:16:27,625 --> 01:16:31,421
{\an8}from all over Czechoslovakia,
Austria, Germany.
1281
01:16:31,546 --> 01:16:33,965
Some came from Holland,
Denmark, there were well over
1282
01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:36,551
100,000 Jews,
I think 133,000
1283
01:16:36,676 --> 01:16:38,594
who were sent here
during World War II.
1284
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,180
Wherever humans are,
they're gonna make music
1285
01:16:41,306 --> 01:16:43,558
and they're gonna write
and they're gonna paint.
1286
01:16:43,683 --> 01:16:45,435
You know,
artists have to do this
1287
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,562
wherever they are,
no matter what the conditions.
1288
01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:50,315
Viktor Ullmann was a student
of my grandfather,
1289
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:51,983
Arnold Schoenberg in Vienna.
1290
01:16:52,275 --> 01:16:55,111
This is a poster from a concert
that they had here
1291
01:16:55,236 --> 01:16:58,656
in Theresienstadt and it has
all the composers listed.
1292
01:16:59,198 --> 01:17:00,867
People attended
real concerts,
1293
01:17:00,992 --> 01:17:03,161
and even my grandfather's
music was played here.
1294
01:17:04,704 --> 01:17:09,083
So sometime in July 1942,
my great-grandfather, Siegmund,
1295
01:17:09,208 --> 01:17:11,252
was given a notice,
told to show up
1296
01:17:11,377 --> 01:17:13,087
at the train station
sent here.
1297
01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:15,548
It was one of the most crowded
times in the ghetto.
1298
01:17:15,673 --> 01:17:17,508
It's hard to imagine it now,
and it's sort of empty.
1299
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:20,762
But in a town that was
built for 3,000 to 5,000 people,
1300
01:17:20,887 --> 01:17:23,556
there were
50,000 Jewish prisoners.
1301
01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:26,768
So people were just piled
on top of each other.
1302
01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:30,146
And then after two months,
they started deporting people
1303
01:17:30,271 --> 01:17:32,357
to the east,
to the extermination camps.
1304
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:37,862
And, uh, my great-grandfather
and-- and my great-grandmother's
1305
01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:40,740
sister were deported
on the second--
1306
01:17:40,865 --> 01:17:43,743
second train
to Treblinka where people
1307
01:17:43,868 --> 01:17:45,912
upon arrival, stripped
of all their clothing
1308
01:17:46,037 --> 01:17:48,247
and put in
gas chambers and killed.
1309
01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:51,167
He was murdered probably
within hours of arrival.
1310
01:17:51,292 --> 01:17:54,629
He knew that my mom existed,
but he never got to meet her.
1311
01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:06,349
For me, though, it's not
how I imagined Theresienstadt.
1312
01:18:06,474 --> 01:18:08,393
I imagined it
as my great-grandfather
1313
01:18:08,518 --> 01:18:10,144
experienced it.
1314
01:18:10,269 --> 01:18:12,438
This overcrowding
and the smell and the hunger
1315
01:18:12,563 --> 01:18:14,857
and sickness, that's
all absent when I go there.
1316
01:18:14,982 --> 01:18:17,026
And there's just sort
of nothing to bring it back.
1317
01:18:20,571 --> 01:18:25,910
♪
1318
01:18:33,584 --> 01:18:36,421
We're gonna go to one of
these small towns called Ustek,
1319
01:18:36,546 --> 01:18:38,840
where the Ausch family,
some of our ancestors live.
1320
01:18:39,799 --> 01:18:41,717
Ausch is the-- I guess
the German name for Ustek .
1321
01:18:48,057 --> 01:18:51,102
{\an8}[Achab] Matzevos
are very poetical
1322
01:18:51,227 --> 01:18:54,147
{\an8}for the man
who knows Hebrew.
1323
01:18:54,272 --> 01:18:57,108
And when you
are interesting in the Hebrew
1324
01:18:57,233 --> 01:19:00,611
and in the text written
on the tombstones,
1325
01:19:00,736 --> 01:19:03,573
you must do it
the rest of your life.
1326
01:19:03,698 --> 01:19:06,742
It is poetry, it is mystery.
1327
01:19:06,868 --> 01:19:12,748
I knew that's my task.
I do it 20 years without money.
1328
01:19:12,874 --> 01:19:17,170
I am going on the cemeteries,
make pics and rewriting
1329
01:19:17,295 --> 01:19:20,089
of the epitaphs,
and translating it.
1330
01:19:22,383 --> 01:19:24,677
[man] The main part
of our work, uh,
1331
01:19:24,802 --> 01:19:26,637
are the abandoned cemeteries
1332
01:19:26,762 --> 01:19:28,973
in the border area
of Czech Republic.
1333
01:19:29,098 --> 01:19:31,684
The first was the restoration.
1334
01:19:31,809 --> 01:19:35,897
And when the cemetery
was able to-- to be documented,
1335
01:19:36,022 --> 01:19:38,191
we can start
to making the map
1336
01:19:38,316 --> 01:19:41,235
and put number
to each gravestone.
1337
01:19:42,069 --> 01:19:45,072
I have it in--
in our papers because,
1338
01:19:45,198 --> 01:19:48,034
uh, now is
not very well, uh, light
1339
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:51,370
to read this, uh,
very properly.
1340
01:19:51,496 --> 01:19:53,748
Yeah, it's very hard to read.
1341
01:19:55,374 --> 01:19:57,585
Rosh Medina
is here on the second line.
1342
01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:59,086
Rosh Medina.
1343
01:19:59,212 --> 01:20:00,338
[Randy] Medina, okay.
So that's--
1344
01:20:00,463 --> 01:20:01,923
that's what you had here.
1345
01:20:02,048 --> 01:20:03,549
Every time he's mentioned
on his grave
1346
01:20:03,674 --> 01:20:04,967
and on all the other graves
1347
01:20:05,092 --> 01:20:06,761
and on the
Torah curtains they say,
1348
01:20:06,886 --> 01:20:08,846
Rosh Medina, which
means the 'head of the land.'
1349
01:20:09,555 --> 01:20:11,307
So what does that
mean head of the land?
1350
01:20:11,432 --> 01:20:14,852
When we went to the archives,
we have these statutes
1351
01:20:14,977 --> 01:20:16,562
that they made for the Jews
1352
01:20:16,687 --> 01:20:19,065
outside of Prague for
the Landesjudenschaft,
1353
01:20:19,190 --> 01:20:20,608
it's called
for the Country Jews.
1354
01:20:21,025 --> 01:20:25,655
And he is the first signatory
of the statutes in 1659.
1355
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:28,533
So that's why I think he's known
as the head of the land
1356
01:20:28,658 --> 01:20:31,953
because he was the leader
of the country Jews in Bohemia.
1357
01:20:32,078 --> 01:20:33,162
[Joey] Interesting, right?
1358
01:20:40,086 --> 01:20:41,170
Here.
1359
01:20:44,465 --> 01:20:46,342
We are only a grass.
1360
01:20:47,009 --> 01:20:51,722
We are going away
when the wind blows.
1361
01:20:52,014 --> 01:20:54,976
So this is the reason
why we put between this,
1362
01:20:55,101 --> 01:20:58,145
uh, and the stone.
1363
01:20:58,271 --> 01:21:00,815
And this stone.
A bit of the nature.
1364
01:21:02,483 --> 01:21:08,698
As the Talmud teach,
you will never finish your work,
1365
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:14,370
but be sure
without your work
1366
01:21:14,787 --> 01:21:18,583
wouldn't be finished
the universe.
1367
01:21:20,835 --> 01:21:27,216
♪
1368
01:21:41,856 --> 01:21:43,566
[Randy] So what is this honey--
honey liqueur,
1369
01:21:43,691 --> 01:21:45,318
honey brandy,
something like that?
1370
01:21:45,443 --> 01:21:47,236
[man] Something like that.
1371
01:21:47,361 --> 01:21:49,739
[Randy] Okay. And thank you
to Achab for finding him.
1372
01:21:49,864 --> 01:21:51,616
Otherwise I never
would've found him.
1373
01:21:51,741 --> 01:21:53,200
So, L'Chaim.
1374
01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:54,452
[all] L'Chaim.
1375
01:21:55,202 --> 01:21:56,287
[Randy] Not bad.
1376
01:21:57,371 --> 01:22:00,791
350 years ago,
that was our family living here.
1377
01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:02,710
And now,
here we are toasting them.
1378
01:22:02,835 --> 01:22:03,919
Pretty fun.
1379
01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:10,926
♪
1380
01:22:45,002 --> 01:22:47,505
[Randy] When I first
came here, I don't know if--
1381
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:50,049
if you remember, I think the--
the person who told me
1382
01:22:50,174 --> 01:22:52,677
that you-- your family was
here or your father was here,
1383
01:22:52,802 --> 01:22:55,888
was-- was our cousin
Mischa in Santa Barbara.
1384
01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:58,099
In the '70s-- '70s or--
1385
01:22:58,224 --> 01:22:59,558
And he visited
you in the '70s, right?
1386
01:22:59,684 --> 01:23:01,143
- Yeah.
- [Randy] Yeah.
1387
01:23:01,268 --> 01:23:02,812
But, uh, Mischa,
I-- I just got news today
1388
01:23:02,937 --> 01:23:04,438
actually that he died.
1389
01:23:04,563 --> 01:23:05,815
- He died today this morning.
- [gasps] No!
1390
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:07,775
Yeah, this morning. I'm sorry.
1391
01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:09,443
- This morning.
- [Randy] I'm sorry. Yeah.
1392
01:23:09,568 --> 01:23:11,028
- I just got-- I just got the--
- He was 100.
1393
01:23:11,153 --> 01:23:12,571
[Randy] He was 100 years old.
1394
01:23:12,697 --> 01:23:14,281
Um, and I saw him--
1395
01:23:14,407 --> 01:23:16,325
I can remember in
Santa Barbara, it was so--
1396
01:23:16,450 --> 01:23:20,287
such a nice small house
with a very nice view.
1397
01:23:20,413 --> 01:23:21,997
- [Randy] Yeah.
- On the Santa Barbara.
1398
01:23:22,123 --> 01:23:23,791
Santa Barbara.
It was beautiful.
1399
01:23:23,916 --> 01:23:25,793
And they were so nice to me.
1400
01:23:25,918 --> 01:23:28,796
I went with him
to the shoemaker with--
1401
01:23:28,921 --> 01:23:30,256
with his shoe.
1402
01:23:30,381 --> 01:23:32,258
It was, uh,
in front of the mission
1403
01:23:32,383 --> 01:23:34,051
- there in Santa Barbara.
- Yeah. [laughs]
1404
01:23:34,176 --> 01:23:36,679
Yeah. And it was beautiful.
1405
01:23:36,804 --> 01:23:38,848
He's the reason
I found you because he told me
1406
01:23:39,306 --> 01:23:41,892
we have a cousin in Prague
and that's why I looked you up.
1407
01:23:42,017 --> 01:23:43,602
- [Michaela] Yeah.
- Very sad. Very sad.
1408
01:23:43,728 --> 01:23:44,770
But he brought us together.
1409
01:23:44,895 --> 01:23:46,188
[laughs]
1410
01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:51,610
[somber music playing]
1411
01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:13,966
{\an8}[soft music playing]
1412
01:25:04,517 --> 01:25:07,520
The Pinkas synagogue
was the family synagogue
1413
01:25:07,645 --> 01:25:10,856
of the Nachods
back in the 17th century.
1414
01:25:11,357 --> 01:25:14,443
So they had their seats
here and they donated
1415
01:25:14,568 --> 01:25:17,196
a big Torah curtain
and also a Torah mantle
1416
01:25:17,321 --> 01:25:18,656
to cover the Torah.
1417
01:25:18,781 --> 01:25:20,741
They were its prominent members.
1418
01:25:21,784 --> 01:25:24,787
Those would all be our cousins
and the Jontof family there.
1419
01:25:34,463 --> 01:25:36,507
{\an8}So this is supposedly the robe
1420
01:25:36,924 --> 01:25:40,553
{\an8}and flag of Shlomo Molcho,
who was a Spanish Jew
1421
01:25:40,678 --> 01:25:43,889
{\an8}who fled from Spain and then
became sort of a preacher,
1422
01:25:44,431 --> 01:25:46,600
{\an8}uh, talking
about the Messiah coming.
1423
01:25:46,725 --> 01:25:49,395
And he tried to form
an army to take over Palestine.
1424
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,815
I think our family probably
brought them up to Prague
1425
01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:54,984
from Italy because
Shlomo Molcho was down in--
1426
01:25:55,109 --> 01:25:57,319
in Italy and our family
was involved with him.
1427
01:25:57,444 --> 01:25:59,113
You could wear
that to the Met Gala.
1428
01:25:59,989 --> 01:26:01,907
Yeah. [laughs]
1429
01:26:02,032 --> 01:26:03,367
I don't think I wanna wear it.
1430
01:26:03,701 --> 01:26:05,452
Uh, I don't want
to end up like Shlomo Molcho.
1431
01:26:05,578 --> 01:26:07,204
He was burned
at the stake after all.
1432
01:26:09,164 --> 01:26:11,458
You think when they had
the ghetto here 200 years ago,
1433
01:26:11,584 --> 01:26:13,252
they had,
what is it called?
1434
01:26:13,377 --> 01:26:14,712
Nut Glida?
1435
01:26:14,837 --> 01:26:16,380
Um, I'm gonna guess not.
1436
01:26:16,672 --> 01:26:17,756
Probably not.
1437
01:26:18,424 --> 01:26:19,800
But you never know.
1438
01:26:21,594 --> 01:26:22,636
Ooh, it's s dripping.
1439
01:26:23,804 --> 01:26:25,514
It was good.
It was pretty good.
1440
01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:26,724
I like the pastry.
1441
01:26:26,849 --> 01:26:28,058
[Randy] Gonna ruin your dinner.
1442
01:26:30,436 --> 01:26:31,437
This can be my dinner.
1443
01:26:31,562 --> 01:26:32,646
I don't think I care.
1444
01:26:35,024 --> 01:26:36,734
We gotta go back to Vienna
1445
01:26:36,859 --> 01:26:39,028
to find those Chalfan
graves that Wachstein found
1446
01:26:39,153 --> 01:26:40,279
and see
where that takes us.
1447
01:26:41,113 --> 01:26:42,740
And Vienna's good.
We know people there.
1448
01:26:45,075 --> 01:26:48,954
[upbeat music playing]
1449
01:27:16,148 --> 01:27:17,983
[Randy] Well,
the archivists for the city
1450
01:27:18,108 --> 01:27:21,236
have brought the archives
for the entire city here to--
1451
01:27:21,362 --> 01:27:24,657
to this building
they call the Gasometer.
1452
01:27:24,949 --> 01:27:28,243
Uh, it's an old
natural gas storage facility.
1453
01:27:28,369 --> 01:27:30,913
Every document is a clue.
Right?
1454
01:27:31,038 --> 01:27:33,874
It's like, you know,
we're going on a treasure hunt
1455
01:27:34,667 --> 01:27:36,502
and who knows
what we're gonna find?
1456
01:27:36,627 --> 01:27:37,962
The birth should
have the person's name
1457
01:27:38,087 --> 01:27:39,088
and the date
that they were born
1458
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:40,589
and the parents' names.
1459
01:27:40,714 --> 01:27:42,341
But there's
always a chance you're
1460
01:27:42,466 --> 01:27:43,884
gonna find something
you didn't know was there.
1461
01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:46,053
The archivist
got me all the books.
1462
01:27:46,845 --> 01:27:48,722
So I get to show you
all these neat things.
1463
01:27:48,847 --> 01:27:49,932
Oh, I love this stuff.
1464
01:27:50,641 --> 01:27:51,725
- Okay.
- [Joey] You're weird.
1465
01:27:51,850 --> 01:27:53,143
[Randy] I am weird. I know.
1466
01:27:53,894 --> 01:27:56,522
You see the date there? 1632.
1467
01:27:56,981 --> 01:27:59,233
So this is the property book,
the Grundbuch.
1468
01:27:59,358 --> 01:28:01,276
So, it is like
a property register
1469
01:28:01,402 --> 01:28:04,613
of the Jews in Vienna in 1632.
1470
01:28:04,738 --> 01:28:06,740
This is one
of the only records we have
1471
01:28:06,865 --> 01:28:12,329
of our ancestor
Heschel, Elias, Jewish doctor.
1472
01:28:12,454 --> 01:28:15,499
So he's Heschel, the son
of Elias, the Jewish doctor.
1473
01:28:15,624 --> 01:28:18,877
So Elias is the one that
got permission from Rudolf II
1474
01:28:19,003 --> 01:28:24,717
to move from Prague
to Vienna in 1597, I think.
1475
01:28:24,842 --> 01:28:26,885
And so he's
here already at 1600.
1476
01:28:27,011 --> 01:28:29,763
And this is his son,
Herschel or Heschel.
1477
01:28:29,888 --> 01:28:33,684
Uh, and it says
where he lived in 1632.
1478
01:28:33,809 --> 01:28:35,477
So there's the plan.
1479
01:28:35,936 --> 01:28:38,981
The plan means map of the--
of the Jewish town,
1480
01:28:39,106 --> 01:28:43,193
actually right
where the Jewish quarter was,
1481
01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:45,487
many centuries later
when Arnold Schoenberg
1482
01:28:45,612 --> 01:28:48,198
was born in 1874,
it's right around this area.
1483
01:28:48,699 --> 01:28:53,454
Uh, but also his ancestors
were living here in the 1630s.
1484
01:28:53,579 --> 01:28:55,914
Well, like why is a house
in the place it is?
1485
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:57,750
Why is this street like it is?
1486
01:28:57,875 --> 01:29:00,210
Well, this street
is like it is today
1487
01:29:00,335 --> 01:29:03,797
because of how it was built
400 years ago, 500 years ago.
1488
01:29:03,922 --> 01:29:06,633
So, everything new
is really part of something
1489
01:29:06,759 --> 01:29:08,677
old at the same time.
1490
01:29:08,802 --> 01:29:11,764
It's also a section of Vienna
that's near the train station.
1491
01:29:11,889 --> 01:29:13,724
It's where immigrants come in.
Right?
1492
01:29:13,849 --> 01:29:17,019
So back then, the Jews were sort
of recent immigrants to Vienna.
1493
01:29:17,144 --> 01:29:19,521
And today you'll
have people coming from Ukraine.
1494
01:29:19,646 --> 01:29:21,231
So the recent
refugees and immigrants
1495
01:29:21,356 --> 01:29:23,317
into Vienna
also live in this area.
1496
01:29:23,984 --> 01:29:27,321
So, it's-- it's had that
history for a long, long time.
1497
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,574
So I already
have American, Austrian,
1498
01:29:30,699 --> 01:29:33,410
and German citizenship,
and I'm applying for Czech.
1499
01:29:33,535 --> 01:29:36,955
That's also I think
a way of-- of reclaiming
1500
01:29:37,081 --> 01:29:40,375
some of the history
that we had, um, here.
1501
01:29:40,501 --> 01:29:42,211
If we left
a property or painting there,
1502
01:29:42,336 --> 01:29:43,462
you'd want it back.
1503
01:29:43,796 --> 01:29:45,464
Uh, so they left
their citizenship behind
1504
01:29:45,589 --> 01:29:47,216
also when they fled.
1505
01:29:47,341 --> 01:29:49,218
So if I can recover
a little bit of the things
1506
01:29:49,343 --> 01:29:51,261
that my grandparents
and great-grandparents had,
1507
01:29:51,386 --> 01:29:52,387
it makes me feel good.
1508
01:29:52,513 --> 01:29:53,639
So, that's part of it.
1509
01:29:58,602 --> 01:30:00,813
Thanks to the book
by Bernhard Wachstein,
1510
01:30:00,938 --> 01:30:03,857
I thought that
the graves that he had recorded
1511
01:30:03,982 --> 01:30:07,111
for the Chalfan family
were in the Seegasse Cemetery,
1512
01:30:07,236 --> 01:30:09,780
the really old
Jewish cemetery in Vienna.
1513
01:30:10,447 --> 01:30:12,658
{\an8}So we were there
looking for those graves
1514
01:30:12,783 --> 01:30:15,410
{\an8}and not finding them
or anything close to them.
1515
01:30:17,496 --> 01:30:19,915
When Johannes Reiss
came in and told us
1516
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,501
that we should be looking
actually at the fourth gate
1517
01:30:22,626 --> 01:30:24,586
of the central cemetery,
where--
1518
01:30:24,711 --> 01:30:26,630
where a fragment
of it had been moved.
1519
01:30:37,766 --> 01:30:39,143
The stones were buried here.
1520
01:30:39,268 --> 01:30:40,769
Oh, they were
buried here in '41.
1521
01:30:40,894 --> 01:30:42,271
[Wolf-Erich Eckstein]
The Seegasse,
1522
01:30:42,396 --> 01:30:44,106
like all Jewish cemeteries,
1523
01:30:44,231 --> 01:30:46,400
were taken over by the Nazi.
1524
01:30:46,525 --> 01:30:50,154
And so the Jewish
community decided to bring
1525
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:53,907
some head zones away
and cover them with Earth.
1526
01:30:54,032 --> 01:30:56,827
And these were found
by Mr. Schreiber,
1527
01:30:56,952 --> 01:30:58,453
former Stone Mason.
1528
01:30:59,746 --> 01:31:01,290
[Randy] Arnie, do you see
it has like a little--
1529
01:31:01,415 --> 01:31:03,208
- little, uh--
- [Arnie] Should be--
1530
01:31:03,333 --> 01:31:04,501
Like looks like a shield almost.
1531
01:31:04,626 --> 01:31:06,003
Like this shape.
1532
01:31:07,171 --> 01:31:09,006
I thought-- was it supposed
to be on one of these?
1533
01:31:09,131 --> 01:31:10,591
Maybe they moved it.
1534
01:31:10,716 --> 01:31:12,509
I have a picture.
It looks like this.
1535
01:31:12,634 --> 01:31:16,013
See, it has like a shield
with a point on the bottom.
1536
01:31:17,556 --> 01:31:18,557
Is it over there?
1537
01:31:18,682 --> 01:31:19,766
I think that's him.
1538
01:31:20,475 --> 01:31:22,477
It looks like.
Yeah. So it's a fragment.
1539
01:31:22,603 --> 01:31:25,355
Yeah, there's a dirty trick.
1540
01:31:25,898 --> 01:31:27,316
Take chalk...
1541
01:31:29,902 --> 01:31:31,195
and go over.
1542
01:31:42,289 --> 01:31:43,749
[Randy] Oh, wow. [laughs]
1543
01:31:46,251 --> 01:31:50,505
Elia.
Elia Ben MHRR.
1544
01:31:51,256 --> 01:31:53,133
- Abba.
- Abba.
1545
01:31:53,258 --> 01:31:54,801
[Randy] Oh, that's it.
That's it.
1546
01:31:54,927 --> 01:31:57,763
Should I take the rest
to make it really sure?
1547
01:31:57,888 --> 01:32:00,307
[Randy] This is the son
of Abba Mari Chalfan
1548
01:32:00,432 --> 01:32:03,602
who came from Venice
to Prague to be here
1549
01:32:03,727 --> 01:32:05,229
in Vienna
and find this grave
1550
01:32:05,354 --> 01:32:08,398
from an ancestor
who died 400 years ago.
1551
01:32:08,523 --> 01:32:11,652
Right? And here we're standing
right-- right next to it.
1552
01:32:11,777 --> 01:32:14,238
Um, it's just
an incredible feeling.
1553
01:32:14,363 --> 01:32:15,989
It's why--
this is why I do genealogy.
1554
01:32:16,114 --> 01:32:17,241
- Thank you.
- [Wolf-Erich Eckstein] Yeah.
1555
01:32:17,366 --> 01:32:19,201
Amazing stone too.
1556
01:32:19,326 --> 01:32:21,370
And he was such an interesting
person we're finding out.
1557
01:32:21,495 --> 01:32:24,081
There's a list
of the Jews in Vienna in 1600
1558
01:32:24,206 --> 01:32:27,584
and there are only 71 Jews
in-- in the whole city.
1559
01:32:27,709 --> 01:32:28,794
- Amazing.
- [Arnie] Yeah. We really need
1560
01:32:28,919 --> 01:32:30,462
to find the rest of it.
1561
01:32:30,587 --> 01:32:32,089
[Randy] Well, Arnie, that's
your job to find the rest of it.
1562
01:32:32,214 --> 01:32:33,757
They look like recent breaks.
1563
01:32:33,882 --> 01:32:35,717
It must have been broken
during the Nazi period
1564
01:32:35,842 --> 01:32:37,844
when they were moving things
and had to bury it.
1565
01:32:38,303 --> 01:32:40,973
Somehow it-- it's almost
fitting that it's broken.
1566
01:32:44,101 --> 01:32:46,812
And this is the oldest grave
of my family in Vienna.
1567
01:32:47,354 --> 01:32:49,273
We expected it in one cemetery.
1568
01:32:49,398 --> 01:32:51,525
And there it is, the fragment
lying in a different cemetery.
1569
01:32:51,650 --> 01:32:53,860
That's not-- that's
not normally how it goes.
1570
01:32:56,446 --> 01:32:58,615
[Randy] Eisenstadt
is the main residents
1571
01:32:58,740 --> 01:33:01,368
of the Esterházys
who were type of prince.
1572
01:33:01,493 --> 01:33:03,620
And they owned a lot
of land on the border,
1573
01:33:03,745 --> 01:33:05,831
basically, of what's
now Austria and Hungary.
1574
01:33:05,956 --> 01:33:07,374
Uh, that's
called the Burgenland.
1575
01:33:07,916 --> 01:33:12,254
After 1670, when Jews
were expelled from Vienna
1576
01:33:12,379 --> 01:33:17,134
and Austria, they uh,
found refuge in the Burgenland.
1577
01:33:17,592 --> 01:33:20,178
[man] The Jews
were so-called protected Jews
1578
01:33:20,304 --> 01:33:23,473
by Esterházys princes,
Schutzjuden.
1579
01:33:23,598 --> 01:33:27,519
It means they had to pay
for their residence permission,
1580
01:33:28,145 --> 01:33:31,398
but they had the protection
of the Esterházy.
1581
01:33:31,815 --> 01:33:34,234
[Randy] A lot of Jews
went there, including one family
1582
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:36,278
with the name Austerlitz
that we descend from.
1583
01:33:36,903 --> 01:33:39,781
They were in Vienna in 1670,
but they were kicked out.
1584
01:33:39,906 --> 01:33:41,992
And so a big group
went to Eisenstadt.
1585
01:33:45,037 --> 01:33:47,122
{\an8}There is this remarkable
Jewish museum
1586
01:33:47,247 --> 01:33:49,416
{\an8}that my friend Johannes Reiss
has put together.
1587
01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:51,793
It's small,
but it's very comprehensive.
1588
01:33:52,627 --> 01:33:54,629
Oh, this is--
this is the town.
1589
01:33:54,755 --> 01:33:56,631
This is Eisenstadt here.
1590
01:33:56,757 --> 01:33:59,468
Johannes Reiss is an expert
on reading Hebrew tombstones.
1591
01:33:59,593 --> 01:34:00,927
And his partner, Traude,
1592
01:34:01,053 --> 01:34:02,929
is a genealogist
and a very good friend.
1593
01:34:03,972 --> 01:34:06,016
[Johannes]
Towards the end of October 1992,
1594
01:34:06,141 --> 01:34:08,268
a neo-Nazi boy wrote
1595
01:34:08,393 --> 01:34:13,398
Nazi symbols on 88 gravestones
on the Jewish cemetery.
1596
01:34:13,523 --> 01:34:18,695
I recognized that nobody knows
the names of the people
1597
01:34:18,820 --> 01:34:20,947
who are buried there,
neither do know
1598
01:34:21,073 --> 01:34:22,991
what is written
in those inscriptions.
1599
01:34:23,116 --> 01:34:25,827
It inspired me to work
on the Hebrew inscriptions. Yes.
1600
01:34:28,038 --> 01:34:30,624
This stone is our eighth
great-grandparents,
1601
01:34:30,749 --> 01:34:33,877
a husband and wife
who died the same year in 1724.
1602
01:34:34,002 --> 01:34:36,880
Ruchana Austerlitz,
she died in February
1603
01:34:37,005 --> 01:34:42,052
1724 and Salman Austerlitz,
he died in November 1724.
1604
01:34:42,177 --> 01:34:45,514
The symbol
for the Levites families.
1605
01:34:45,639 --> 01:34:47,516
[Randy] Also 'cause they washed
the-- the hands--
1606
01:34:47,641 --> 01:34:49,726
Because they washed
the hands for the kohanim,
1607
01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:51,645
the priest in the temple.
1608
01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:53,438
Solomon.
1609
01:34:53,563 --> 01:34:55,315
[Joey] Daddy, what's gonna
be on your tombstone?
1610
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,317
It's up to you.
I'm dead. So, you know.
1611
01:34:59,611 --> 01:35:02,656
[Johannes] Every inscription,
each inscription of each stone
1612
01:35:02,781 --> 01:35:07,077
is published online,
and the QR codes on the stone
1613
01:35:07,202 --> 01:35:11,039
guides to this specific
and permanent URL.
1614
01:35:11,164 --> 01:35:12,791
Yeah. I don't think
there's any other cemetery
1615
01:35:12,916 --> 01:35:14,626
in the world
that is done like this.
1616
01:35:14,751 --> 01:35:17,003
It's only thanks to all
the work that Johannes did it.
1617
01:35:17,129 --> 01:35:18,880
So should we try
to find their-- their parents?
1618
01:35:19,005 --> 01:35:20,549
They-- they--
are they around here?
1619
01:35:20,674 --> 01:35:23,301
Yes. The parents
are two or three rows behind.
1620
01:35:24,469 --> 01:35:25,971
[Johannes] We feel responsible
1621
01:35:26,096 --> 01:35:28,140
for the descendants
of the truth,
1622
01:35:28,265 --> 01:35:31,059
which were living here
in the Jewish communities.
1623
01:35:31,184 --> 01:35:33,645
And the cemeteries have
buried their grandparents,
1624
01:35:33,770 --> 01:35:35,480
their great-grandparents.
1625
01:35:35,605 --> 01:35:39,109
In Jewish history, tradition
is the important point.
1626
01:35:39,234 --> 01:35:43,447
And tradition doesn't end
one generation behind us.
1627
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:46,116
This one is Moses.
1628
01:35:47,075 --> 01:35:48,160
Elia Gelles.
1629
01:35:48,869 --> 01:35:52,497
- Gelles.
- This is Tzvi Hirsch.
1630
01:35:52,622 --> 01:35:54,458
- This is the father.
- [Randy] Father and son.
1631
01:35:54,583 --> 01:35:57,252
So that's our--
our 10th great-grand--
1632
01:35:57,377 --> 01:35:58,753
my 10th great-grandfather,
1633
01:35:58,879 --> 01:36:00,630
your 11th great-grandfather,
Joey.
1634
01:36:00,755 --> 01:36:02,090
Right-- right here.
And you've died when?
1635
01:36:02,215 --> 01:36:04,134
- In 16--
- [Johannes] 1686.
1636
01:36:04,259 --> 01:36:06,011
This is the father.
1637
01:36:06,136 --> 01:36:09,389
And next to this stone
is the mother, Levia Austerlitz.
1638
01:36:09,514 --> 01:36:10,599
[Randy] Oh, there--
so there's Levia.
1639
01:36:10,724 --> 01:36:12,642
She died in 1695.
1640
01:36:12,767 --> 01:36:15,020
So yeah.
So she's in exile from Vienna.
1641
01:36:15,145 --> 01:36:16,855
- [Johannes] Yeah.
- With-- with her-- her husband
1642
01:36:16,980 --> 01:36:18,106
is here and--
and she's there.
1643
01:36:18,231 --> 01:36:19,316
[Johannes] Yeah.
1644
01:36:20,942 --> 01:36:23,820
The Jewish history is always
a history of immigration.
1645
01:36:24,112 --> 01:36:27,032
[Traude] They left their homes
without knowing
1646
01:36:27,157 --> 01:36:29,951
where they are going
and what they will expect
1647
01:36:30,076 --> 01:36:31,703
in their new home.
1648
01:36:32,245 --> 01:36:33,788
{\an8}That's really moving to me.
1649
01:36:33,914 --> 01:36:35,916
{\an8}More or less the same
like today.
1650
01:36:36,791 --> 01:36:39,127
People left--
leave their homes
1651
01:36:39,252 --> 01:36:41,838
and don't know what--
what will happen tomorrow.
1652
01:36:43,173 --> 01:36:46,134
Johannes and me, we--
we are lucky enough to have an--
1653
01:36:46,259 --> 01:36:50,055
an apartment and we said,
'let's take one family to us.'
1654
01:36:50,555 --> 01:36:52,474
And the next day
we picked up a family,
1655
01:36:52,599 --> 01:36:55,393
grandmother, mother,
a 12-year-old boy,
1656
01:36:55,519 --> 01:36:56,811
and a little dog.
1657
01:36:56,937 --> 01:36:58,355
They are from-- from Ukraine.
1658
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:00,106
And I hope
to stay in Austria
1659
01:37:00,232 --> 01:37:02,901
because it's unbelievable
that they have to leave.
1660
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:04,653
It's not a life.
1661
01:37:09,407 --> 01:37:10,742
[Randy] Forchtenstein,
1662
01:37:10,867 --> 01:37:13,036
it's this really
old medieval castle
1663
01:37:13,161 --> 01:37:15,705
high up on a hill looks
like Hotel Transylvania
1664
01:37:16,081 --> 01:37:19,209
{\an8}but it's filled with all
the records of the Esterházys.
1665
01:37:19,334 --> 01:37:22,128
{\an8}They ran all of their domain,
all of their towns,
1666
01:37:22,254 --> 01:37:23,338
{\an8}like a business.
1667
01:37:23,964 --> 01:37:25,507
{\an8}A lot of researchers
are interested
1668
01:37:25,632 --> 01:37:27,217
{\an8}in what's in Forchtenstein.
1669
01:37:27,342 --> 01:37:29,636
These records that
the Esterházy family kept,
1670
01:37:29,761 --> 01:37:31,888
which will record
all the taxes and things
1671
01:37:32,013 --> 01:37:33,765
that they charged Jews for
will go further back.
1672
01:37:33,890 --> 01:37:35,767
So that's sort of exciting
for genealogy.
1673
01:37:35,892 --> 01:37:38,853
And they may have information
for me on the Austerlitz family.
1674
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:46,903
And how did you find them?
Because it's not indexed, right?
1675
01:37:47,028 --> 01:37:50,282
This is a conscription,
just like a census, Joey.
1676
01:37:50,407 --> 01:37:52,659
So it's-- it's basically
a word for a census.
1677
01:37:52,784 --> 01:37:55,412
So they-- they keep track of all
the people living in the area.
1678
01:37:55,829 --> 01:37:58,081
Not everything is indexed,
but we-- we have
1679
01:37:58,206 --> 01:38:02,586
a-- a special structure of the--
of the whole, uh, archive here.
1680
01:38:02,711 --> 01:38:05,297
You have seen this--
this, uh, this, uh,
1681
01:38:05,422 --> 01:38:07,424
small houses
in Eisenstadt today.
1682
01:38:07,757 --> 01:38:10,510
And here you
see how many people,
1683
01:38:10,635 --> 01:38:13,054
how many persons
live in every single house.
1684
01:38:15,974 --> 01:38:17,434
[Randy] It's documents
like this that really help
1685
01:38:17,559 --> 01:38:19,352
put the puzzle pieces together.
1686
01:38:19,477 --> 01:38:21,730
And how far back do these go?
How many years?
1687
01:38:21,855 --> 01:38:23,315
[archivist] Goes back
to the beginning
1688
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,150
of the 18th century.
1689
01:38:25,275 --> 01:38:27,152
So here, for example,
this is Herschel Austerlitz,
1690
01:38:27,277 --> 01:38:28,612
and has his kids and everything.
1691
01:38:28,737 --> 01:38:30,363
And there's
a note on the side says,
1692
01:38:30,488 --> 01:38:33,283
"He is the son
of Aaron Austerlitz."
1693
01:38:33,408 --> 01:38:37,412
Right. So here you have even
three generations of Austerlitz.
1694
01:38:37,537 --> 01:38:40,582
These are the first documents
we already have scanned for you.
1695
01:38:40,707 --> 01:38:43,293
[Randy] Wow. Well, I know a lot
of people who are researching
1696
01:38:43,418 --> 01:38:45,211
the communities
in the Burgenland,
1697
01:38:45,337 --> 01:38:47,172
can share it with the people
who are interested in--
1698
01:38:47,297 --> 01:38:49,424
in researching this,
um, this area.
1699
01:38:49,549 --> 01:38:50,967
So that's very valuable.
Thank you so much.
1700
01:38:51,092 --> 01:38:52,260
- You're welcome.
- That's really great.
1701
01:38:52,385 --> 01:38:55,263
[upbeat music playing]
1702
01:39:16,868 --> 01:39:20,038
This is part of the Sebastian
Tengnagel collection.
1703
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,625
{\an8}Tengnagel was the imperial
librarian at the beginning
1704
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:26,920
{\an8}of the-- of the 17th century
here in Vienna.
1705
01:39:27,045 --> 01:39:30,548
{\an8}And he was a prominent
orientalist and he collected,
1706
01:39:30,674 --> 01:39:33,927
{\an8}um, a good numbers
of, uh, Hebrew manuscripts.
1707
01:39:34,052 --> 01:39:36,304
[Randy] Many of them,
they think came from the library
1708
01:39:36,429 --> 01:39:38,640
of our family
when they came here to Vienna.
1709
01:39:39,224 --> 01:39:43,520
This is Italian and it is,
uh, it's not easy to understand,
1710
01:39:43,645 --> 01:39:46,648
but this is
from, uh, your ancestor.
1711
01:39:46,773 --> 01:39:49,859
Quest Libro something.
1712
01:39:49,984 --> 01:39:54,406
Elia Alphan. A-L-P-H-A-N
at the end. So Elia Alphan.
1713
01:39:54,531 --> 01:39:57,951
So this book
belonged to Elia Alphan
1714
01:39:58,410 --> 01:40:00,829
and he died 400 years ago.
1715
01:40:00,954 --> 01:40:03,540
And here we are in front
of one of his books
1716
01:40:03,665 --> 01:40:06,584
that was owned and has essays
by his grandfather
1717
01:40:06,710 --> 01:40:10,171
and great-grandfather
who were alive in the 1400.
1718
01:40:10,296 --> 01:40:12,757
You see where it says "Kalonymos
ben David Kalonymos."
1719
01:40:12,882 --> 01:40:14,467
And he probably gave it
1720
01:40:14,592 --> 01:40:17,595
to his son-in-law
Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan.
1721
01:40:17,721 --> 01:40:20,432
I mean, it's hard
to believe that something
1722
01:40:20,557 --> 01:40:23,601
this old was owned and created
1723
01:40:23,727 --> 01:40:26,438
by someone
that I share blood with.
1724
01:40:26,563 --> 01:40:29,357
[Randy] Uh, so there's a number
of different works
1725
01:40:29,482 --> 01:40:33,027
that are all bound together here
by Aristotle and Maimonides.
1726
01:40:33,153 --> 01:40:36,614
One of our ancestors in
the 15th century, in the 1400s,
1727
01:40:36,948 --> 01:40:40,452
was writing out little notes,
uh, on all of these things.
1728
01:40:40,577 --> 01:40:42,829
I just think it's amazing
that Arnold Schoenberg's mother,
1729
01:40:42,954 --> 01:40:45,665
Pauline Nachod comes
from Prague and her family
1730
01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:49,794
goes all the way back
into the 1600s.
1731
01:40:49,919 --> 01:40:52,338
And then
she has a grandmother
1732
01:40:52,464 --> 01:40:55,967
that is named Chalfan
and her family came from Vienna.
1733
01:40:56,301 --> 01:40:59,137
So, and is a descendant
of Dr. Elia Chalfan.
1734
01:40:59,262 --> 01:41:02,974
So we're-- we're absolutely
a descendant of this Dr. Chalfan
1735
01:41:03,099 --> 01:41:06,269
and of the ancestors
mentioned in this book,
1736
01:41:06,394 --> 01:41:09,939
his grandfather,
Rabbi Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan
1737
01:41:10,064 --> 01:41:13,318
in Venice, and Kalonymos
Ben David Kalonymos.
1738
01:41:13,443 --> 01:41:16,529
These are all our ancestors that
we've been able to establish.
1739
01:41:16,654 --> 01:41:18,531
But it's amazing
to find something
1740
01:41:18,656 --> 01:41:20,950
that they owned, right?
After how many years this is?
1741
01:41:21,075 --> 01:41:25,038
He died in, 1630 I think.
So he died 400 years ago.
1742
01:41:25,163 --> 01:41:28,124
And here we are
in front of one of his books.
1743
01:41:30,460 --> 01:41:33,671
[Dr. Petrolini] You should talk
with Fabrizio Lelli in Florence
1744
01:41:33,797 --> 01:41:36,049
because he specialized
on the movement
1745
01:41:36,174 --> 01:41:38,301
of manuscripts
from the southern Italy
1746
01:41:38,426 --> 01:41:41,930
to Venice and to Vienna
to Northern Europe.
1747
01:42:00,740 --> 01:42:02,575
[man] Did you have an eye
on that particular note
1748
01:42:02,700 --> 01:42:04,494
in the appendix of the book?
1749
01:42:04,619 --> 01:42:07,288
[Randy] Bernhard Wachstein says,
"And I was in the cemetery
1750
01:42:07,413 --> 01:42:10,291
in Venice, and there's
this grave of Fioretta there,
1751
01:42:10,416 --> 01:42:12,961
the wife
of Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan."
1752
01:42:13,086 --> 01:42:14,754
And that was the first clue.
1753
01:42:14,879 --> 01:42:16,714
Fioretta's would be
the oldest known gravestone
1754
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:18,216
that we found
from our family.
1755
01:42:18,341 --> 01:42:19,843
That's why I came to Europe.
1756
01:42:19,968 --> 01:42:21,219
So we're hoping
when we get to Venice
1757
01:42:21,719 --> 01:42:23,054
that that grave is still there.
1758
01:42:23,179 --> 01:42:24,472
It was there
a hundred years ago,
1759
01:42:24,597 --> 01:42:25,932
so I hope
it's still there today.
1760
01:42:28,643 --> 01:42:30,603
[upbeat music playing]
1761
01:42:31,229 --> 01:42:33,773
[Randy] Chiara told us
that a scholar in Florence
1762
01:42:33,898 --> 01:42:35,316
knew more about
Fioretta's husband,
1763
01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:37,861
Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan.
1764
01:42:38,152 --> 01:42:40,280
So we're going there
first to find out more
1765
01:42:40,405 --> 01:42:42,031
about their family
and how they live.
1766
01:42:47,537 --> 01:42:50,456
{\an8}It really is a surprise
when you come across something
1767
01:42:50,582 --> 01:42:52,500
{\an8}that still exists,
that they are still traces
1768
01:42:52,625 --> 01:42:54,377
{\an8}of these people
that you've never heard of.
1769
01:42:54,502 --> 01:42:56,254
{\an8}That their life
is why you exist.
1770
01:42:56,379 --> 01:42:58,298
{\an8}Without them,
you're not here.
1771
01:42:58,423 --> 01:43:01,885
And no one has remembered them
until you've dug them up again
1772
01:43:02,010 --> 01:43:03,595
and learned
something about them.
1773
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:17,817
[Prof. Lelli] It's something
really unbelievable.
1774
01:43:17,942 --> 01:43:21,446
This parchment,
which has been recently defined,
1775
01:43:21,571 --> 01:43:23,448
the magnificent parchment.
1776
01:43:23,573 --> 01:43:24,908
{\an8}So you will see why.
1777
01:43:25,825 --> 01:43:28,953
{\an8}I think, uh, we--
we need someone to assist us
1778
01:43:29,078 --> 01:43:32,957
{\an8}for opening it
and unfolding it.
1779
01:43:34,167 --> 01:43:36,127
[Randy] Wow. Amazing.
1780
01:43:38,379 --> 01:43:40,089
That's 500 years old.
1781
01:43:51,601 --> 01:43:52,685
Wanna look closer?
1782
01:43:55,563 --> 01:43:56,648
Wow.
1783
01:43:56,773 --> 01:43:58,149
Joey, you wanna come around?
1784
01:43:58,274 --> 01:43:59,317
Here, come around me
on this side.
1785
01:43:59,442 --> 01:44:00,610
It's better.
1786
01:44:00,902 --> 01:44:02,654
Better view.
You see the dragon?
1787
01:44:02,779 --> 01:44:04,072
- There's a dragon there.
- There's a dragon there.
1788
01:44:04,197 --> 01:44:05,949
He's riding it.
1789
01:44:06,074 --> 01:44:07,408
[Prof. Lelli] This is a--
an incredibly interesting
1790
01:44:07,533 --> 01:44:11,162
artifact dating to 1533.
1791
01:44:11,287 --> 01:44:14,707
This was a joint venture,
so to say,
1792
01:44:15,166 --> 01:44:17,293
of Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan,
1793
01:44:17,418 --> 01:44:20,380
your ancestor
and Abraham Sarfati.
1794
01:44:20,505 --> 01:44:22,715
The drawing of
the parchment took place
1795
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:27,887
at a specific moment
that followed the execution
1796
01:44:28,012 --> 01:44:32,976
by burning and stake
of a very singular person.
1797
01:44:33,101 --> 01:44:38,231
His name was Shlomo Molcho,
uh, an alleged messiah.
1798
01:44:38,356 --> 01:44:41,985
So this is a sort of, uh, map.
1799
01:44:42,110 --> 01:44:45,738
Hmm? A--
A drawing of the divine world
1800
01:44:45,863 --> 01:44:49,033
and what the distinction
between a lower level
1801
01:44:49,158 --> 01:44:51,953
of existence
and an upper level of existence.
1802
01:44:53,705 --> 01:44:55,248
[Randy] Do you think
Chalfan believed
1803
01:44:55,373 --> 01:44:57,875
that Shlomo Molcho
was the Messiah?
1804
01:44:58,001 --> 01:44:59,836
I incline to think so
because otherwise,
1805
01:44:59,961 --> 01:45:03,965
they wouldn't have realized
such a beautiful artifact.
1806
01:45:04,090 --> 01:45:08,261
For many other Jews, this was
just a fake, was just a cheater.
1807
01:45:08,386 --> 01:45:12,056
Someone who was just imagining,
he was pretending.
1808
01:45:12,181 --> 01:45:14,183
I must tell you something,
Randy,
1809
01:45:14,308 --> 01:45:16,894
that when you contacted me
the first time,
1810
01:45:17,020 --> 01:45:18,730
I would hardly believe
1811
01:45:19,022 --> 01:45:23,651
that you were really
the descendant of my hero,
1812
01:45:23,776 --> 01:45:25,236
Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan.
1813
01:45:25,361 --> 01:45:27,572
And the idea
of being able to show you
1814
01:45:27,697 --> 01:45:31,784
his artifacts is just,
uh, blowing me away.
1815
01:45:31,909 --> 01:45:35,580
I don't know what to say,
but I'm just blown away.
1816
01:45:35,705 --> 01:45:39,250
[soft music playing]
1817
01:45:44,547 --> 01:45:48,134
[Prof. Lelli] The Chalfan family
came from France
1818
01:45:48,259 --> 01:45:52,221
and to northern Italy
like many other French families.
1819
01:45:52,346 --> 01:45:56,642
And they moved eastward
to Venetian area
1820
01:45:56,768 --> 01:46:00,271
and at some point
they moved to Southern Italy
1821
01:46:00,396 --> 01:46:02,190
because we find them in Naples.
1822
01:46:02,315 --> 01:46:06,944
Eliyahu Menachem lost his father
at a relatively young age.
1823
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:11,240
And 1526, uh, his father-in-law,
1824
01:46:11,365 --> 01:46:15,828
Kalonymos Ben David Kalonymos,
gave him a big part
1825
01:46:15,953 --> 01:46:19,499
of the library
belonging to his own family.
1826
01:46:19,957 --> 01:46:24,670
And, uh, we have an inventory,
a complete list of this library.
1827
01:46:25,630 --> 01:46:28,216
They were the first
generations of Jews living
1828
01:46:28,341 --> 01:46:30,259
in the gate
of Venice because they--
1829
01:46:30,384 --> 01:46:33,721
when Chalfan
started living in Venice,
1830
01:46:33,846 --> 01:46:36,349
so the gate
has just been opened.
1831
01:46:37,183 --> 01:46:38,976
[Randy] Every genealogist
just dreams
1832
01:46:39,102 --> 01:46:42,105
of taking the family back
further and further and further.
1833
01:46:42,230 --> 01:46:43,898
That was my dream
as a little kid.
1834
01:46:44,023 --> 01:46:47,902
And now here we are at the 1500s
and into the 1400s.
1835
01:46:48,027 --> 01:46:50,738
And, of course, I'd love if
we could get back even further.
1836
01:46:55,868 --> 01:46:57,203
[Prof. Lelli]
I try to reconstruct
1837
01:46:57,328 --> 01:46:59,956
the history
of the person or family.
1838
01:47:00,456 --> 01:47:03,334
[Randy] So it really expands
what I thought we knew
1839
01:47:03,459 --> 01:47:05,128
about Jews in the olden days,
1840
01:47:05,253 --> 01:47:06,546
but I thought
they're just living
1841
01:47:06,671 --> 01:47:08,172
in their little
communities alone.
1842
01:47:08,297 --> 01:47:09,549
But instead,
they're engaging with kings
1843
01:47:09,674 --> 01:47:11,134
and popes and emperors.
1844
01:47:11,634 --> 01:47:13,845
Henry VIII,
he wanted to annul his marriage
1845
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:15,638
to his first wife,
Catherine of Aragon.
1846
01:47:15,763 --> 01:47:17,765
He went to all
these rabbis and asked
1847
01:47:17,890 --> 01:47:20,852
for opinions that
the marriage was invalid.
1848
01:47:20,977 --> 01:47:23,771
Some rabbis supported
the Pope against Henry VII.
1849
01:47:23,896 --> 01:47:27,483
Chalfan and Kalonymos supported
Henry VIII against the Pope.
1850
01:47:27,900 --> 01:47:29,443
[Prof. Lelli] The Jewish
scholars in those days
1851
01:47:29,569 --> 01:47:31,988
were at the same time alchemists
1852
01:47:32,113 --> 01:47:34,866
or astrologers
or medical doctors.
1853
01:47:34,991 --> 01:47:36,993
But at the same time,
they could,
1854
01:47:37,118 --> 01:47:39,120
uh, discuss
the Kabbalistic text.
1855
01:47:39,245 --> 01:47:41,372
I don't even know-- and Joey,
I'm sure you don't know,
1856
01:47:41,497 --> 01:47:43,332
like what--
what is Kabbalah?
1857
01:47:43,457 --> 01:47:44,834
Where does it come from?
1858
01:47:44,959 --> 01:47:46,669
You know
what Kabbalah means in Hebrew.
1859
01:47:46,794 --> 01:47:50,006
Kabbalah means
something that is received.
1860
01:47:50,131 --> 01:47:54,552
The word had a sort of
a very deep meaning
1861
01:47:54,677 --> 01:47:58,973
relating to the handing down
of a tradition
1862
01:47:59,098 --> 01:48:01,309
from generation
to generation.
1863
01:48:01,434 --> 01:48:03,519
- Like received wisdom, right?
- [Prof. Lelli] Exactly.
1864
01:48:03,644 --> 01:48:05,688
At some point, you have the--
1865
01:48:05,813 --> 01:48:08,274
the idea that
there's something hidden
1866
01:48:09,150 --> 01:48:12,612
that accompanies
these rabbinic traditions.
1867
01:48:12,737 --> 01:48:18,367
And so this is the Kabbalah
that was considered
1868
01:48:18,492 --> 01:48:21,913
the holiest in the Middle Ages.
1869
01:48:22,038 --> 01:48:24,081
And that finally, eventually,
1870
01:48:24,207 --> 01:48:27,835
became what
we today call Kabbalah.
1871
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,214
Our hero,
Eliyahu Menachem Chalfan,
1872
01:48:31,589 --> 01:48:35,426
this is another
very interesting scholar
1873
01:48:35,551 --> 01:48:37,386
who worked
in this environment.
1874
01:48:37,511 --> 01:48:39,889
It's a very interesting
and complicated story.
1875
01:48:41,891 --> 01:48:44,435
[upbeat jazz music]
1876
01:49:22,723 --> 01:49:24,475
[Serena] I was born in Venice.
1877
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,435
I'm a true Giudeccina.
1878
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,062
When I was
a little girl,
1879
01:49:28,187 --> 01:49:30,940
Giudecca used to be
a part of Venice
1880
01:49:31,065 --> 01:49:35,403
where only fishermen lived,
and also factory workers.
1881
01:49:35,528 --> 01:49:38,114
And now it's become
like the rest of Venice.
1882
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:39,865
I think we lost control.
1883
01:49:39,991 --> 01:49:42,618
The whole city
is bound to become
1884
01:49:42,743 --> 01:49:45,663
like a tourist attraction place
1885
01:49:45,788 --> 01:49:48,541
and you lose
a feeling of real life.
1886
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:53,337
Giudecca still has a lot
of people who are Venetians.
1887
01:49:53,462 --> 01:49:56,173
You know everyone.
People help each other.
1888
01:49:56,299 --> 01:49:58,759
There's a lot
of solidarity in the island.
1889
01:49:59,218 --> 01:50:00,219
So you haven't been here before?
1890
01:50:00,344 --> 01:50:01,887
Nope.
1891
01:50:02,305 --> 01:50:03,931
[Randy] You know, I was here
like 30 years ago, I guess.
1892
01:50:04,056 --> 01:50:05,224
[woman] Hi.
1893
01:50:05,558 --> 01:50:07,977
- Hi! So nice to see--
- [Randy] Hi.
1894
01:50:08,894 --> 01:50:10,521
Hi, Joey.
1895
01:50:11,147 --> 01:50:12,148
[Joey] Hi.
1896
01:50:12,273 --> 01:50:13,274
So this is Nick.
1897
01:50:13,399 --> 01:50:14,567
[Randy] Hey, Nick.
1898
01:50:14,692 --> 01:50:16,277
My husband.
Randy. Joey.
1899
01:50:16,402 --> 01:50:17,903
- Nice to meet you.
- Yeah, come in.
1900
01:50:18,029 --> 01:50:19,613
- Finally.
- [Serena] I think Joey coming
1901
01:50:19,739 --> 01:50:21,991
into this trip and joining
1902
01:50:22,116 --> 01:50:24,702
is just the best thing
that could happen.
1903
01:50:24,827 --> 01:50:29,415
It's wonderful that Randy
is handing him down history
1904
01:50:29,540 --> 01:50:31,876
and his own legacy.
1905
01:50:32,335 --> 01:50:35,463
I started imagining
these people that Randy
1906
01:50:35,588 --> 01:50:37,840
was giving me information about,
1907
01:50:37,965 --> 01:50:40,593
just trying out
different expressions,
1908
01:50:40,718 --> 01:50:42,470
just to work things out
1909
01:50:42,595 --> 01:50:45,097
before I would start
with the paintings.
1910
01:50:45,222 --> 01:50:46,849
When you look
at a painting,
1911
01:50:46,974 --> 01:50:50,186
you can feel that somebody
has actually made it
1912
01:50:50,311 --> 01:50:51,729
with their hands.
1913
01:50:52,063 --> 01:50:54,565
{\an8}We're showing you
this new painting Nick did.
1914
01:50:54,690 --> 01:50:57,818
{\an8}So it's a surprise.
There it is.
1915
01:50:57,943 --> 01:50:59,278
- Wow.
- [Nuria] My father.
1916
01:50:59,403 --> 01:51:00,696
Oh, wow.
1917
01:51:00,821 --> 01:51:02,281
[Randy] Which dog is that?
1918
01:51:02,406 --> 01:51:04,075
[Nuria] That was Ronnie.
1919
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:05,785
[Serena] Ronnie.
1920
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:07,536
[Nuria] Ronnie was
a beautiful Irish setter.
1921
01:51:07,661 --> 01:51:09,413
[Serena] Nick
wanted to have this painting
1922
01:51:09,538 --> 01:51:11,415
ready for your 90th.
1923
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:12,708
Oh, thank you, Nick.
1924
01:51:12,833 --> 01:51:14,460
That's lovely.
I really--
1925
01:51:14,585 --> 01:51:16,796
Thank you so much.
1926
01:51:16,921 --> 01:51:18,005
Really.
1927
01:51:18,589 --> 01:51:20,800
And I really like it.
It's very good.
1928
01:51:20,925 --> 01:51:24,261
[soft music playing]
1929
01:51:25,346 --> 01:51:27,973
It's always interesting
to know where you come from.
1930
01:51:28,099 --> 01:51:30,434
Randy is very serious about it.
1931
01:51:30,559 --> 01:51:32,978
But that doesn't mean
that he's not very active
1932
01:51:33,104 --> 01:51:35,731
right now
in the world we live in.
1933
01:51:35,856 --> 01:51:37,650
And that's very
important that I know
1934
01:51:37,775 --> 01:51:40,569
that he applies
these things that he knows
1935
01:51:40,694 --> 01:51:44,198
knowing who he is
and what he wants to be.
1936
01:51:44,323 --> 01:51:46,033
And we didn't
expect to have wars
1937
01:51:46,158 --> 01:51:47,952
like this now again.
1938
01:51:48,077 --> 01:51:49,745
And it's very disturbing.
1939
01:51:49,870 --> 01:51:52,081
And these are things
we were not used to.
1940
01:51:52,206 --> 01:51:54,917
Art and music
can help with that
1941
01:51:55,042 --> 01:51:58,212
because usually there's
a great sensitivity of mind,
1942
01:51:58,337 --> 01:52:00,589
of people who create art.
1943
01:52:00,714 --> 01:52:04,468
You're helping people
to believe in the future.
1944
01:52:04,969 --> 01:52:07,763
[Serena] Now I think painting
has a lot to do with history.
1945
01:52:07,888 --> 01:52:11,767
It really makes you feel
and makes you think about,
1946
01:52:11,892 --> 01:52:14,270
you know, what these people
have been through.
1947
01:52:14,395 --> 01:52:16,021
Having to leave one place.
1948
01:52:16,147 --> 01:52:18,691
The difficulties,
it just never ends.
1949
01:52:18,816 --> 01:52:21,402
Life can be really tough
on some people,
1950
01:52:21,527 --> 01:52:23,028
like our ancestors.
1951
01:52:30,453 --> 01:52:32,746
Going out to the cemetery
you have a chance
1952
01:52:32,872 --> 01:52:34,957
to sort of contemplate
what that must have been like
1953
01:52:35,082 --> 01:52:37,960
for people 500 years ago
to go out over the lagoon,
1954
01:52:38,085 --> 01:52:39,879
rowing against the current
1955
01:52:40,004 --> 01:52:42,923
out to this pretty far
off island, Toledo.
1956
01:52:43,048 --> 01:52:44,633
And it's difficult
enough when you have
1957
01:52:44,758 --> 01:52:45,968
a loved one who dies.
1958
01:52:46,427 --> 01:52:48,179
And in Jewish tradition,
you're supposed to bury
1959
01:52:48,304 --> 01:52:50,347
the person right away,
like the next day.
1960
01:52:50,473 --> 01:52:52,683
So she was alive
and then the next day
1961
01:52:52,808 --> 01:52:55,352
they had to go in a boat
and row for hours
1962
01:52:55,478 --> 01:52:57,104
out to this far-off cemetery
1963
01:52:57,229 --> 01:52:58,522
because that's the only place
1964
01:52:58,647 --> 01:53:00,149
they allowed Jews
to bury people.
1965
01:53:01,775 --> 01:53:05,112
{\an8}[sentimental music playing]
1966
01:53:18,125 --> 01:53:22,004
We're gonna finally
find Fioretta. Okay?
1967
01:53:22,129 --> 01:53:23,797
I hope.
I hope we find her.
1968
01:53:23,923 --> 01:53:25,966
And Wachstein's book
that said, "In the old cemetery
1969
01:53:26,091 --> 01:53:29,011
in Venice on the Lido,
there's this grave of Fioretta"
1970
01:53:29,136 --> 01:53:30,429
but that was
a hundred years ago.
1971
01:53:30,554 --> 01:53:32,181
Is it still there?
Is it overgrown?
1972
01:53:32,306 --> 01:53:35,100
Was it moved? Is it lost?
Is it still legible?
1973
01:53:35,226 --> 01:53:36,310
We just didn't know.
1974
01:53:37,645 --> 01:53:38,979
Okay, here we are.
1975
01:53:39,104 --> 01:53:40,356
Let's see if
we can cross the street
1976
01:53:40,481 --> 01:53:41,565
without getting killed.
1977
01:53:42,066 --> 01:53:43,192
Yep.
Looks good.
1978
01:53:49,365 --> 01:53:51,492
[indistinct chatter]
1979
01:53:56,205 --> 01:53:57,581
[Serena] Oh, it looks good.
1980
01:53:58,332 --> 01:54:00,042
- Wow.
- [Randy] We wouldn't have been
1981
01:54:00,167 --> 01:54:02,294
able to get into that cemetery
without-- without Aldo.
1982
01:54:03,629 --> 01:54:06,131
Oh. Oh, there he is.
Oh, my gosh.
1983
01:54:06,257 --> 01:54:09,301
[Aldo] I superintended over
the cemetery for everything.
1984
01:54:09,969 --> 01:54:11,220
[Serena] Ciao, Aldo!
1985
01:54:11,345 --> 01:54:13,639
[Aldo]
Funerals, maintenance,
1986
01:54:13,764 --> 01:54:16,767
restoration of tombstones.
1987
01:54:16,892 --> 01:54:18,602
I am a volunteer.
1988
01:54:19,228 --> 01:54:22,940
I was born
August the 28th, 1930.
1989
01:54:23,357 --> 01:54:25,359
During the war,
of course, we were hidden.
1990
01:54:25,484 --> 01:54:28,862
Many Venetian Jews
saved their lives
1991
01:54:28,988 --> 01:54:30,864
because our Catholic friends.
1992
01:54:30,990 --> 01:54:32,449
And that's what happened to us.
1993
01:54:32,575 --> 01:54:34,785
Wow. Thank you, Aldo.
1994
01:54:36,704 --> 01:54:37,871
- Amazing.
- Wow.
1995
01:54:38,372 --> 01:54:40,499
[speaking Italian]
1996
01:54:43,085 --> 01:54:46,046
This with a certain pride,
with a certain emphasis,
1997
01:54:46,171 --> 01:54:48,841
the ancient
Jewish cemetery of Venice.
1998
01:54:48,966 --> 01:54:52,636
Just what is left of it, because
it was a wide, wide area.
1999
01:54:52,761 --> 01:54:54,513
And those times it was the most
2000
01:54:54,638 --> 01:54:56,640
out-of-the-way place
you could imagine.
2001
01:54:56,765 --> 01:54:59,435
They didn't want that us
as neighbors not even as dead.
2002
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:01,562
It's such a long, long story.
2003
01:55:01,687 --> 01:55:04,982
636 years of the cemetery.
2004
01:55:05,107 --> 01:55:07,943
Nowadays, this year,
I think just three visits.
2005
01:55:08,068 --> 01:55:09,445
- [Randy] Visit?
- [Aldo] You're the fourth.
2006
01:55:09,570 --> 01:55:11,113
[laughs]
2007
01:55:11,238 --> 01:55:13,282
[Randy] Okay,
so we're looking for a grave
2008
01:55:13,407 --> 01:55:15,200
that looks like this
with a triangle.
2009
01:55:15,534 --> 01:55:17,244
- [Serena] Like this one here.
- [Randy] I think so. Yeah.
2010
01:55:17,369 --> 01:55:18,454
But-- but--
2011
01:55:18,579 --> 01:55:20,581
[sentimental music playing]
2012
01:55:51,362 --> 01:55:53,656
[Joey] Daddy come.
I think I found it.
2013
01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:56,158
[Randy] You're kidding.
Why? What'd you find?
2014
01:55:56,283 --> 01:55:57,451
[Joey] Serena, come.
2015
01:55:57,785 --> 01:56:00,954
It says "Halfon"
and it says "Fioret."
2016
01:56:01,246 --> 01:56:02,539
[Randy] Which one?
2017
01:56:02,665 --> 01:56:03,749
- [Joey] This one.
- [Randy] Oh my God.
2018
01:56:04,166 --> 01:56:05,376
So where do you find it?
2019
01:56:05,501 --> 01:56:07,336
- Where does it say it?
- Fioret.
2020
01:56:07,795 --> 01:56:08,879
With "et".
2021
01:56:09,338 --> 01:56:11,757
- "Et".
- Fioret. Okay.
2022
01:56:11,882 --> 01:56:14,301
[Joey] And Halfon.
2023
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:15,761
Halfon down there.
2024
01:56:15,886 --> 01:56:17,513
- So let me see.
- Halfon?
2025
01:56:17,638 --> 01:56:18,722
- [Randy] Fioret.
- Yeah.
2026
01:56:19,181 --> 01:56:21,600
- [Serena] Wow.
- [Aldo] Eliyahu Halfon.
2027
01:56:21,725 --> 01:56:24,228
[speaking Italian]
2028
01:56:29,858 --> 01:56:31,694
...Eliyahu Halfon.
2029
01:56:31,819 --> 01:56:33,654
[Randy] Eliyahu--
2030
01:56:33,779 --> 01:56:35,155
[Serena] That's the husband,
he's saying.
2031
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:36,323
- Halfon. You're right.
- Yeah. Yeah.
2032
01:56:36,448 --> 01:56:37,783
- That's it.
- Wow.
2033
01:56:37,908 --> 01:56:38,951
[Randy] That's it.
I can't believe it.
2034
01:56:39,076 --> 01:56:40,369
Amazing, Randy.
2035
01:56:40,494 --> 01:56:42,663
It's "Fioret
éshet the wife of
2036
01:56:42,788 --> 01:56:47,876
haRofe... MHRR
Eliyahu Halfon.
2037
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,422
This is Fioretta.
2038
01:56:51,547 --> 01:56:52,965
- [Serena] Can you imagine?
- [Randy] Joey,
2039
01:56:53,090 --> 01:56:54,550
- you're the greatest!
- [Joey] Yeah.
2040
01:56:54,675 --> 01:56:56,802
[Serena] Yeah. Wow, Joey.
Well done, Joey.
2041
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,888
[Randy] Basically, Joey
is the one that really found it.
2042
01:57:00,013 --> 01:57:02,099
I guess his Hebrew school
training was enough
2043
01:57:02,224 --> 01:57:04,059
for him to read out
one of the names,
2044
01:57:04,184 --> 01:57:06,812
and so I looked over it and wow,
sure enough, there she was.
2045
01:57:07,563 --> 01:57:09,690
Fioretta Chalfan.
That's our ancestor.
2046
01:57:09,815 --> 01:57:11,442
[Serena] Let's
put a stone on it.
2047
01:57:12,860 --> 01:57:15,279
[sentimental music playing]
2048
01:57:29,042 --> 01:57:30,961
[Randy]
When you finally find it,
2049
01:57:31,086 --> 01:57:33,797
and then you're standing there
and you realize 500 years ago,
2050
01:57:33,922 --> 01:57:36,300
her family,
my family, our family,
2051
01:57:36,425 --> 01:57:38,218
was standing
there also, right at--
2052
01:57:38,343 --> 01:57:40,554
at her graveside
when she was buried.
2053
01:57:47,728 --> 01:57:50,105
You can see that he was pretty
happy to have accomplished that.
2054
01:57:50,230 --> 01:57:51,774
I know he was sort
of reluctant sometimes
2055
01:57:51,899 --> 01:57:53,984
to go along on this trip
and we're in archives
2056
01:57:54,109 --> 01:57:56,653
and underground,
looking at old records
2057
01:57:56,779 --> 01:57:58,781
that he can't read because
it's in different language
2058
01:57:58,906 --> 01:58:00,574
with different script.
2059
01:58:00,699 --> 01:58:02,659
But then when he's actually able
to accomplish something,
2060
01:58:02,785 --> 01:58:04,870
part of this research,
part of this journey,
2061
01:58:04,995 --> 01:58:07,372
I think that must have been a
really important thing for him.
2062
01:58:08,248 --> 01:58:10,459
It's that time of life
when you start thinking about,
2063
01:58:10,584 --> 01:58:12,461
okay, who am I gonna be
and what am I gonna do
2064
01:58:12,586 --> 01:58:13,879
and how am I
going to do it?
2065
01:58:14,004 --> 01:58:15,923
And so he was able
to explore that,
2066
01:58:16,048 --> 01:58:17,549
I think,
while we were on this trip.
2067
01:58:17,674 --> 01:58:19,885
He gets to write
the rest of his story.
2068
01:58:20,803 --> 01:58:23,597
[sentimental music playing]
2069
01:58:40,697 --> 01:58:43,325
[Joey] It was definitely
a bonding trip.
2070
01:58:43,450 --> 01:58:44,827
I will always remember it.
2071
01:59:29,705 --> 01:59:31,415
[Randy] Serena
did such a great job
2072
01:59:31,540 --> 01:59:33,166
with all the paintings,
but you could tell she really
2073
01:59:33,292 --> 01:59:35,085
identified,
I think with Fioretta,
2074
01:59:35,210 --> 01:59:38,005
you know, this sort of
last matriarch of the family.
2075
01:59:38,130 --> 01:59:40,382
And she's from Venice,
she's born in Venice,
2076
01:59:40,507 --> 01:59:42,009
she still lives in Venice.
2077
01:59:42,134 --> 01:59:43,802
There's hardly anybody
who can say that.
2078
01:59:43,927 --> 01:59:46,179
And to have this ancestor
on her mother's side,
2079
01:59:46,305 --> 01:59:47,973
which she never
expected to find,
2080
01:59:48,098 --> 01:59:50,267
I think really
connected with her.
2081
01:59:50,392 --> 01:59:52,603
She had this artistic way
of responding to it,
2082
01:59:52,728 --> 01:59:54,855
of imagining what Fioretta
might have looked like.
2083
01:59:54,980 --> 01:59:56,481
You can see
a little bit of Serena
2084
01:59:56,607 --> 01:59:58,108
in the painting,
which I really like.
2085
01:59:58,525 --> 02:00:00,235
[Rabbi Nolan Lebovitz]
We're obsessed with memory,
2086
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:02,863
but we're essentially
missing so many generations
2087
02:00:02,988 --> 02:00:05,908
because of these atrocities
that happened in Europe.
2088
02:00:06,325 --> 02:00:08,702
So there's really
no one left to remember them.
2089
02:00:08,827 --> 02:00:11,371
And as a genealogist, you can
at least get a little bit
2090
02:00:11,496 --> 02:00:13,415
of that back
by recording their names
2091
02:00:13,540 --> 02:00:14,791
and some of their history.
2092
02:00:15,667 --> 02:00:17,502
[Joey] I think he wants
to feel reconnected
2093
02:00:17,628 --> 02:00:19,588
with the family
he lost in Europe.
2094
02:00:19,713 --> 02:00:22,966
That he wants to be connected
to where his family used to be.
2095
02:00:23,091 --> 02:00:25,093
And even
if I never will meet them,
2096
02:00:25,218 --> 02:00:27,387
it's nice to know
that they were there.
2097
02:00:28,347 --> 02:00:30,557
I can feel
where he's coming from.
2098
02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:33,226
[Rabbi Nolan Lebovitz]
The Jewish story
2099
02:00:33,352 --> 02:00:34,603
is a story of perseverance.
2100
02:00:34,728 --> 02:00:36,438
Generation
after generation,
2101
02:00:36,563 --> 02:00:39,483
even though we carry
with us all of that darkness,
2102
02:00:39,608 --> 02:00:42,486
we have to remember
because memory is a value.
2103
02:00:42,945 --> 02:00:45,155
This is an important part
of what it means to actually
2104
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,950
be part of a greater story
than just ourselves.
2105
02:00:53,580 --> 02:00:56,041
[Serena] It's been amazing
to be able to spend time
2106
02:00:56,166 --> 02:00:59,252
with them
and confront this subject.
2107
02:00:59,378 --> 02:01:02,881
It was like magic
because it was this circle
2108
02:01:03,006 --> 02:01:05,717
that from Venice,
they go to Prague, to Vienna,
2109
02:01:05,842 --> 02:01:09,012
to Los Angeles,
and then back to Venice again.
2110
02:01:11,598 --> 02:01:13,225
[Randy] I've also
been interested now
2111
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:15,936
in looking back further
after Fioretta,
2112
02:01:16,061 --> 02:01:18,605
back down to Southern Italy
where it's possible
2113
02:01:18,730 --> 02:01:20,649
that there are other family
members we can learn about.
2114
02:01:21,066 --> 02:01:24,444
[Michaela] I'm pretty sure
that after this research
2115
02:01:24,569 --> 02:01:27,406
with Fioretta,
he will find another person
2116
02:01:27,531 --> 02:01:30,742
in the family,
that he want to dig up.
2117
02:01:30,867 --> 02:01:34,162
He'll search and do the research
the rest of his life.
2118
02:01:34,287 --> 02:01:37,165
He will not stop.
It's not only a hobby.
2119
02:01:37,624 --> 02:01:40,669
You find people,
you find friends,
2120
02:01:41,128 --> 02:01:42,629
you learn everything new.
2121
02:01:43,046 --> 02:01:46,800
I feel how I'm smiling
when I think about it.
2122
02:01:47,300 --> 02:01:52,389
♪
2123
02:01:54,683 --> 02:01:57,686
[upbeat jazz music]
2124
02:02:54,910 --> 02:03:02,084
♪
2125
02:03:08,423 --> 02:03:11,551
[sentimental music]
2126
02:04:08,525 --> 02:04:15,574
♪
2127
02:04:38,263 --> 02:04:40,974
[dramatic music]
2128
02:05:38,031 --> 02:05:45,747
♪
2129
02:06:36,715 --> 02:06:43,471
♪
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