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- Do you need bottles?
- I have bottles.
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Does anyone need...
You need bottles?
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What time? 4:15?
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The timekeepers are going
to give a signal.
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Okay.
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Everyone has bottles?
Okay.
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- You ready to go in?
- Let's go.
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There's a guard walking around
looking puzzled.
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I think he's trying to count
the number of people.
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I'm really nervous, man.
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- Let's start.
- Let's go, let's do it, go.
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- Mic check.
- Mic check!
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- Mic check.
- Mic check!
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- 100,000 dead.
- 100,000 dead!
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100,000 dead!
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- 100,000 dead!
- Don't do anything.
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You can't do anything as far as...
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- Temple of death.
- Temple of death!
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- Temple of money.
- Temple of money!
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- Temple of greed.
- Temple of greed!
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- Temple of Oxy.
- Temple of Oxy!
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- Sacklers lie.
- Sacklers lie!
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- Thousands die.
- Thousands die!
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- The Sacklers knew...
- The Sacklers knew...
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- Their pills would kill.
- Their pills would kill!
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They built this wing!
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- They killed this wing...
- Take this outside...
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Excuse me. No, excuse me...
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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It's easy to make
your life into stories.
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But it's harder to...
sustain real memories.
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What do you mean?
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Well, the difference between
the story and the real memory.
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The real experience has
a smell and is dirty,
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and is not wrapped up
in simple endings.
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The real memories
are what affects me now.
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Things can appear
that you didn't want to see,
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where you're not safe.
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And even if you don't actually
unleash the memories,
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the effect is there.
It's in your body.
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All right.
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It was a claustrophobic suburb.
"Don't let the neighbors know."
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My mother used to say that all the time.
It wasn't just an attitude.
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Actually, the neighbors did know,
we found out years later
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'cause there was so much
screaming in the house.
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Tell me about your sister.
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My mother insisted that Barbara speak
in full sentences at the age of one.
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And so she stopped talking
for at least a year and a half.
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Yeah, that was the first
act of rebellion by my sister.
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She would just
wash my hair or hold me,
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or these kind of things that you need
when you're a kid.
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And she knew how to do that,
even though
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she hadn't been mothered
in that way.
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She made me aware
at a very young age
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about the banality and
deadening grip of suburbia.
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She had a wildness to her.
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She played the piano constantly.
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Chopin...
Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky...
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And you could tell how she was
feeling by how she was playing.
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The parakeets would sit
on her shoulders while she played.
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She trusted me
with all her secrets.
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She went on Saturday nights
to the movies to make out with boys.
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That was when she stood up
for herself and yelled back.
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And she talked to me about
feelings for other girls.
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It was a period of sexual repression,
and she was made to fear her sexuality.
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And a lot of it was
her need to be held.
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She had a saying:
"Lean cat, savage cat."
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I felt very close to her,
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but she was in and out of institutions
for most of my childhood.
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Once they started sending her away,
they kept sending her away.
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My parents took away
her credibility and...
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silenced her
by calling her "mentally ill."
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The police came into the house.
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My father started wailing
on the front lawn, wailing.
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They were talking to my mother,
saying that
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"We found your daughter,
and she committed suicide."
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And I heard my mother say,
"Tell the children it was an accident."
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My interpretation from that minute was... denial.
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She didn't want us to know the truth.
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That's when it clicked.
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Okay, let's try it towards the left.
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- Yeah.
- Or like in the middle?
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I don't know.
Can you move over to the right?
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Keep going, okay,
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I can't really see because your body...
Thank you.
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Wow.
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Do you like it?
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Okay, I just want to see one more thing.
Can you switch these two?
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Okay, and one more idea.
A couple more ideas.
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I could do this all night.
Watch out.
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Yeah...
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I was thinking about this
last night that...
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People talk about all kinds
of relationships, with their partner,
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their children,
their parents and...
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The relationships
that have mattered most to me,
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probably my whole life,
are my friends.
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I only escaped
because of my friends.
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Right.
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Yeah, that's better.
That's perfect.
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"I survived the opioid crisis.
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"I narrowly escaped.
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"My relationship to OxyContin
began several years ago in Berlin.
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"It was originally prescribed
for surgery.
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"Though I took it as directed,
I got addicted overnight.
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"In the beginning,
40 milligrams was too strong.
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"But as my habit grew,
there was never enough.
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"I went from 3 pills a day,
as prescribed, to 18.
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"The drug, like all drugs,
lost its effect.
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"So I picked up the straw.
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"My life revolved entirely
around getting and using Oxy,
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"counting and recounting, crushing
and snorting was my full-time job.
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"When I got out of treatment,
I learned that the Sackler family,
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"whose name I knew
from museums and galleries,
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"were responsible
for the epidemic.
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"The Sackler family and their
private company, Purdue Pharma,
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"advertised and distributed
their medication, knowing all the dangers.
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"I've started a group, P.A.I.N.,
to hold them accountable.
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"To get their ear,
we will target their philanthropy.
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"They have washed
their blood money through the halls
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"of museums and universities
around the world."
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I had no idea that it was going
to actually have the traction that it did.
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It's definitely among the,
if not the most,
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proud moments of my tenure
as editor of the magazine.
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She knew how to use her power.
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She's a figure that these museums
also wanted to work with.
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They want in their collections.
She's a major name in the art world.
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When she published the portfolio
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it was the fact that she was
doing it that mattered.
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I knew this would put her on the line
in a real serious way and...
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I was concerned for her safety.
I was concerned for...
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whether she would be
drummed out of the art world.
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I think that...
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She was taking on a very powerful family,
one of the most powerful families.
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I mean, if anyone belongs in jail,
it's these people.
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And as long as there's a jail,
they should be in it...
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until the whole prison
system is dismantled.
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They should be
the last to leave.
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- Last one, lights out.
- Last one.
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After I met Nan and
we connected on levels of...
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having experience with addiction
and stuff like that...
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She said, "Why don't you come
to one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?"
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Most members of P.A.I.N. have
a direct experience with addiction,
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or loss of a loved one.
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We have members
who lost their children...
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to overdose, that have family members
who are struggling,
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or that they themselves
have struggled.
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Yeah, but death is
the bottom line of this,
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and that should be reminded,
we should do a die-in of some sort.
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Do we want to marshal numbers?
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- But each of us will be then responsible...
- Trusted friends...
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The focus on the family,
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I would say there was a little
bit of fear in the group about
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going straight for them, although
we felt that we should.
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Yeah, this is the decisive one.
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Nan actually said,
"Do you think my career will implode?"
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And I said, "Probably."
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I said, "Yes, these are very scary,
powerful people.
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"But then again,
what else can you do?"
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And she said, "I think we
should take these people down."
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And I said,
"Well, I'm with you."
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And then we started meeting
and we would sit in Nan's house
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and dream up of things
we wanted to do.
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He's really sweet.
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He's sweet on Alex, man.
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Go on.
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Let's see where it all starts here.
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I mean, there's literally so many of these
that it's hard for me to find...
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Yeah, this is September 2019...
I get this legal hold notice.
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"Dear Mr. Keefe, I write
on behalf of my clients,
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"members of the
Raymond Sackler family.
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"You are hereby directed to preserve
and not to destroy, conceal or alter
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"any and all documents and communications
in your possession
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"that relate in any way to any members
of the Sackler family,
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"the article, Purdue Pharma,
and/or OxyContin..."
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And on and on and on.
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One of the things that's so strange
about the Sackler family is that
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we talk about them
in monolithic terms,
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but really it's three families and...
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they spring from these three original
brothers, Arthur, Mortimer and Raymond.
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His name is Arthur Sackler.
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For 40 years, he has brought energy,
goodwill and intelligence to art.
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He owns thousands of works,
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presently displayed not only
at the Metropolitan Museum,
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but in university collections as well.
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Knowing that the goal of peace
is engraved in your hearts,
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Mrs. Sackler and I present
to you this verse...
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Arthur died before
the introduction of OxyContin.
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And yet so much of what's happened is,
in part, a function of Arthur's legacy.
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His contemporaries knew him as this great
art collector and this philanthropist.
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And the dirty secret was that
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he had come to this position
of prominence and great wealth
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through the marketing of this drug,
which also happened to be quite addictive.
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He creates a whole means of selling Valium
in which you're targeting doctors.
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He devised
a compensation scheme in which
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he would get paid
a series of escalating bonuses
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based on how much
Valium they sold.
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Well, Valium becomes
the best-selling drug
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in the history
of the pharmaceutical industry.
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From his personal collection,
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Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche
to select a thousand pieces,
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the best from a lifetime of collecting.
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The whole Sackler enterprise
has been about marketing,
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the marketing of OxyContin,
but also the marketing of the family name.
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There's the family of the art world
and the museum world and philanthropy.
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And then there's the kind
of grubby, unpleasant story of...
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big pharma marketing
and addiction and death.
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Don't be afraid to take
what they give you.
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Often it will be
an opioid medication.
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Some patients may be
afraid of taking opioids
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because they're perceived
as too strong, or addictive.
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But that is far
from actual fact.
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The Sacklers owned Purdue, this
company that set out very deliberately
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to change the way in which
these strong opioids were prescribed
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and to do so, by claiming
that they weren't addictive.
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A week or two after
my article came out,
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I got this email,
this kind of cryptic email
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from the studio of
Nan Goldin that said,
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"The photographer Nan Goldin
would like to meet with you."
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And I was a little mystified,
didn't know what it was about.
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But we set up a meeting.
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She had this kind of
"roll up your sleeves,
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"We gotta do something!
We gotta organize!
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"We gotta get out there!"
And I probably was...
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I blush to think, but I probably
was gently patronizing and said,
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"Well, good for you, glad to hear it.
You keep me posted on that."
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I love working in a material I know.
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Blue valium bottles.
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My anger at the Sackler family,
it's personal.
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I hate these people,
but it's not about my own addiction.
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I mean, when you think of
the profit off people's pain.
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You can only be
furious about it.
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Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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We consciously talked about
Act Up and what Act Up had done.
241
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And how we wanted for these actions
to make an impact.
242
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This idea of a bottle
was the first object we created.
243
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All the museums, institutions
need to stop taking money
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from these corrupt, evil bastards.
245
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I got thrown out of every school
and every house that I lived.
246
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I got thrown out of my parents' home.
I got thrown out of my foster family.
247
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I got thrown out of
the communal foster family.
248
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- Seriously?
- Yeah.
249
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There's not one
I can think of that...
250
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Yeah, I made an art of it.
251
00:22:34,769 --> 00:22:39,316
Okay, but why were you
with foster parents?
252
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A psychiatrist told my father
that if I stayed in the house,
253
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the same thing would happen
as what happened with Barbara.
254
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So my parents sent me
to a foster agency.
255
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It was the Jewish adoption
agency on Beacon Hill.
256
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Yeah.
I must have been 14.
257
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The woman of the house
straightened my hair.
258
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She wanted me to be
a WASP basically.
259
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I remember when I first went there,
I projectile vomited all over my room.
260
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I must have been terrified.
261
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I didn't remember that till now.
262
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I landed in a hippie free school
that couldn't throw me out.
263
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Satya school saved my life.
264
00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:52,639
I was shy beyond social phobia,
like crippling shyness.
265
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There were like six months
that I didn't speak at all.
266
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I think my sister's suicide
had silenced me.
267
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Until I met David.
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He said I was still speaking
in a whisper.
269
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I was 15. He was 14.
270
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He was a vision to me.
271
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We met each other, both stealing steaks.
272
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We were shoplifting.
273
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Both of us converged
in the steak department.
274
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- Are you serious?
- Yes.
275
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Oh, I was a great shoplifter,
pretty much all my life.
276
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I'm not sure how good I am anymore,
but that's how we became friends.
277
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David was a great wit,
very ironic, very precise.
278
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And that was
the coin of the realm.
279
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He taught me to use humor
as a survival mechanism.
280
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He had this elegance
and he was very androgynous,
281
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which was something
I was really attracted to.
282
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And one night,
we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm,
283
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'cause I was between homes,
284
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and he laid down on the bed
and I laid down next to him.
285
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And he got up and
laid down on the floor.
286
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And I said, "Are you gay?"
287
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And a light came on for him.
288
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He always said that it was
the first time somebody recognized him.
289
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Then he named me Nan.
290
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,486
So I brought him out
and he named me Nan.
291
00:26:14,197 --> 00:26:16,574
So we liberated each other.
292
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,457
David was the eye of my storm.
293
00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:32,965
David and Tommy in a sandpit.
That's one of my first photographs.
294
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We all got cameras from Polaroid.
295
00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:48,565
I attached to it more than
anybody else at the school.
296
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:53,986
It was the only language
I spoke at the time.
297
00:26:56,656 --> 00:27:01,661
Suddenly I had, you know, a personality,
and it gave me a voice.
298
00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:10,169
Photography was always a way
to walk through fear.
299
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Taking a picture
is kind of protective.
300
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It gave me a reason to be there.
301
00:27:43,035 --> 00:27:47,874
David was living with this most beautiful
queen in Cambridge.
302
00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:52,462
Very quickly,
I moved in with them.
303
00:27:52,712 --> 00:27:54,839
♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪
304
00:27:58,301 --> 00:27:59,761
♪ Oh, baby ♪
305
00:28:00,052 --> 00:28:03,515
We went to Goodwill
pretty much every day.
306
00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:07,226
All the rich women were giving
their clothes to Goodwill,
307
00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:10,229
and they were exquisite clothes.
308
00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:12,106
♪ I love you ♪
309
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Like Fortuny gowns.
310
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♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪
311
00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:25,202
And we went to
The Other Side every night.
312
00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,373
Right away,
I felt at home there.
313
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,962
I remember being really excited
to take pictures at that time.
314
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,306
It was like a flash of euphoria.
I know when a picture works.
315
00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,101
I get a rush.
316
00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:58,361
I would have the film developed in
a pharmacy, and each of them would make
317
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a pile of the pictures of themselves and
compete to see who had the biggest pile.
318
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,119
If they didn't like one of the pictures,
they tore them up,
319
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:09,831
and that was okay with me.
320
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,713
I've always wanted the people in the
pictures to be proud of being in the work.
321
00:29:19,507 --> 00:29:22,969
People have said, "Oh I didn't know
I was that beautiful."
322
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:26,806
Which is, you know,
what I want them to feel.
323
00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:36,899
My roommates,
they were running away from America,
324
00:29:37,775 --> 00:29:41,195
and they found each other.
325
00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:49,579
They didn't think, "We're pioneers.
We're rebels." They just were.
326
00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:53,666
It was about living out
what they needed to live out
327
00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:57,879
in spite of the reaction
from the outside world.
328
00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:05,219
♪ There's always those who spoil our
games by finding fault and calling names ♪
329
00:30:05,928 --> 00:30:09,557
♪ Always accusing ♪
330
00:30:10,182 --> 00:30:12,519
♪ We love each other but it seems ♪
331
00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:16,439
♪ The love lives only in my dreams ♪
332
00:30:16,731 --> 00:30:19,859
♪ It's so one-sided ♪
333
00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,987
♪ But in this life, I must confess ♪
334
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,907
♪ The search for love and happiness ♪
335
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:30,453
♪ Is unrequited ♪
336
00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:33,080
♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪
337
00:30:33,372 --> 00:30:36,292
♪ And what I am and what I'm not ♪
338
00:30:37,043 --> 00:30:40,963
♪ What have I given? ♪
339
00:30:41,255 --> 00:30:43,841
♪ Then answers come
from those who make ♪
340
00:30:44,133 --> 00:30:46,553
♪ The rules that some of us must break ♪
341
00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:51,348
♪ Just to keep living ♪
342
00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:54,351
♪ I know my life is not a crime ♪
343
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:57,730
♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪
344
00:30:58,022 --> 00:31:01,818
♪ I stand defenseless ♪
345
00:31:02,485 --> 00:31:04,737
♪ Nobody has the right to be ♪
346
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:07,532
♪ The judge of what is right for me ♪
347
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:08,950
♪ Tell me if you can ♪
348
00:31:09,241 --> 00:31:15,998
♪ What makes a man a man ♪
349
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:19,251
While I was living
with the queens,
350
00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:22,922
I started going to art school
for photography.
351
00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:27,552
Said I wanted the queens
to be on the cover of Vogue.
352
00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,514
But in those days, that was so far.
353
00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,774
It was a time
that was really scary for them.
354
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,738
You could get arrested
walking down the street in Boston.
355
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:52,243
My roommates stayed home basically,
and they went out at night.
356
00:31:53,202 --> 00:31:57,707
And...
survival was an art.
357
00:32:06,382 --> 00:32:10,386
David and I started going
to Provincetown in '75.
358
00:32:11,303 --> 00:32:14,891
It was the gay mecca.
359
00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,686
I worked in a Portuguese
hot dog stand.
360
00:32:18,936 --> 00:32:24,984
And then later, I got a job as a bartender
at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar.
361
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:31,115
I was living in this separatist
lesbian community.
362
00:32:33,492 --> 00:32:38,247
You know, it was sort of like
flannel shirts and tea.
363
00:32:38,497 --> 00:32:42,585
And I'd come from
taffeta gowns and Quaaludes.
364
00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:44,879
And so I was kind of the oddball
365
00:32:45,004 --> 00:32:48,132
'cause I would wear pearls
and lipstick to the beach.
366
00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:56,265
I fell in love with this beautiful woman.
We were lovers, briefly.
367
00:32:57,224 --> 00:32:59,518
She had lots of other lovers.
368
00:33:02,479 --> 00:33:04,565
I was obsessed with her.
369
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,278
So I photographed her constantly.
370
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,033
I have often used photography
as a sublimation for sex.
371
00:33:14,742 --> 00:33:17,161
It's generally better than sex.
372
00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:22,750
I had a button machine.
373
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,252
You know, you take a picture
and put it on a button.
374
00:33:25,502 --> 00:33:27,504
- You had a button machine?
- Yeah...
375
00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:30,549
That was my way of making a living.
376
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:35,888
Walking up and down Commercial Street
in my high heels with my button machine,
377
00:33:36,388 --> 00:33:40,392
and Cookie and Sharon
and Divine and John Waters
378
00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,354
came by and had buttons made.
379
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:51,112
I knew Cookie from John Waters' films,
and I already idolized her.
380
00:33:53,948 --> 00:33:55,950
♪ I got a lot of problems ♪
381
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:00,788
♪ Female trouble ♪
382
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:06,085
♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪
383
00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,421
I'd like to set fire to this dump.
384
00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:12,341
Just cause we're pretty
everybody's jealous.
385
00:34:12,591 --> 00:34:16,095
It's like a prison here, even at
Christmas it's like a prison.
386
00:34:21,684 --> 00:34:25,312
♪ Sunday morning ♪
387
00:34:26,397 --> 00:34:29,776
♪ Brings the dawning ♪
388
00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:33,863
Cookie was all about finding
what was funny in life.
389
00:34:35,698 --> 00:34:38,492
♪ By my side ♪
390
00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:42,371
Cookie and Sharon
were together for many years.
391
00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:50,546
Sharon was working at a pizza place,
and Cookie came by one night
392
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,257
with her bicycle
and her son, Max.
393
00:34:53,507 --> 00:34:59,847
And he had long hair with gum
and popsicle sticks and leaves in it.
394
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:04,936
And Cookie had on these little
Springolator pumps,
395
00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:09,106
but they were held together
with safety pins.
396
00:35:10,858 --> 00:35:15,612
And Sharon thought,
"I'm gonna take care of these people."
397
00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:19,992
♪ Sunday morning ♪
398
00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:24,496
And then Cookie said to her,
"I believe in timing."
399
00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:28,042
♪ I've got a feeling ♪
400
00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:34,465
Cookie took Sharon home with her
through a swamp with big pussy willows.
401
00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:40,012
And that was the beginning
of Cookie and Sharon.
402
00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:46,769
It was a time of freedom
and possibility.
403
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:50,940
That's when I did
my first slideshows.
404
00:35:57,238 --> 00:36:01,283
You ready?
Does everyone have their chant?
405
00:36:02,576 --> 00:36:06,998
That's bullshit, get off it,
they made addicts just for profit.
406
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,001
We were flying last night!
407
00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:16,548
We were ready to do
another New York action
408
00:36:16,799 --> 00:36:19,426
and the Met and the Guggenheim
to us are like
409
00:36:19,676 --> 00:36:21,804
two of the most
important museums.
410
00:36:22,304 --> 00:36:27,226
And we knew that the Guggenheim had
the Sackler Education Center.
411
00:36:27,601 --> 00:36:30,562
So they were like
a big target for us.
412
00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:35,276
An important part of
the museums we choose is
413
00:36:35,526 --> 00:36:38,529
Nan is typically
in the permanent collection.
414
00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:43,159
It's much stronger when the message
is coming from inside the house.
415
00:36:43,575 --> 00:36:46,037
I'm not worried.
What if they recognize me?
416
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:49,916
By the time we did the Guggenheim,
our name was out there.
417
00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:53,127
Other museums were alerted
that we might be coming.
418
00:36:53,377 --> 00:36:57,381
I'm supposed to wear it
so that no one knows who I am.
419
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:03,012
- That's not drawing attention.
- Very subtle disguise.
420
00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:08,059
It calls a little attention, doesn't it?
It's kind of horrible.
421
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:14,065
The attorney general in Massachusetts
had just released internal emails
422
00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:20,947
and documents of the Sacklers, which were
vast, and had really damning quotes.
423
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,952
One of them was the quote
from Richard Sackler, saying that
424
00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:28,745
upon the launch
of OxyContin in 1996,
425
00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:34,626
that OxyContin would cover the country
in a "blizzard of prescriptions."
426
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:39,256
I was like, "What if we made
a bunch of prescriptions
427
00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,383
"and throw that
back in their faces?"
428
00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:48,390
We're trying to align
the banners with
429
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,476
the fountain right
at the bottom of the spiral?
430
00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:51,685
- Yes.
- Okay.
431
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,439
- Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right?
- Yeah.
432
00:37:55,647 --> 00:37:58,484
The goal is to get the names
off the walls.
433
00:37:58,734 --> 00:38:00,611
As long as the names are there,
434
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:04,240
they still maintain their hold
on their reputation.
435
00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:06,867
They're still whitewashing
their reputation.
436
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,078
The museums are still
complicit in that.
437
00:38:14,416 --> 00:38:16,835
The energy was definitely right.
438
00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:20,297
The whole museum was already
buzzing when we went in.
439
00:38:20,547 --> 00:38:21,966
It was a packed Saturday night.
440
00:38:24,593 --> 00:38:27,721
- Nan, are you ready?
- No, where is everyone?
441
00:38:29,681 --> 00:38:31,517
We had a Signal thread,
but it was really like,
442
00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:36,105
"Go at this time. If you see
prescriptions falling, it's starting."
443
00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:37,814
- Are we ready?
- Yeah.
444
00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:57,709
I was at the bottom looking up,
and I checked out for a minute
445
00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,004
because I was looking up
at the prescription slips
446
00:39:00,254 --> 00:39:04,591
and just like in awe of
the visual that it created.
447
00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:14,351
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sackler name not welcome here!
448
00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:19,565
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sackler name does not come here!
449
00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:25,154
Say it loud, say it clear,
OxyContin got them here!
450
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,075
I was holding
one of the banners.
451
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:31,660
We looked like we're hundreds
and hundreds of activists.
452
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:34,163
Right? We were not
hundreds and hundreds.
453
00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:39,251
People are shouting with us.
They're agreeing with us.
454
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,424
- No longer!
- No longer!
455
00:39:45,632 --> 00:39:49,678
- The Sackler family must go!
- The Sackler family must go!
456
00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:53,849
- The Sackler family must pay!
- The Sackler family must pay!
457
00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:56,685
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
458
00:39:56,852 --> 00:39:59,230
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
459
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:18,665
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sacklers are not welcome here!
460
00:40:18,957 --> 00:40:23,837
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sacklers are not welcome here!
461
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:29,760
We have journeyed from
the Guggenheim down to the Met
462
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:34,431
to send a message,
a message of life and death.
463
00:40:35,474 --> 00:40:41,105
My son was prescribed OxyContin
for a knee surgery in high school.
464
00:40:41,355 --> 00:40:45,484
The doctors told him:
"Take the pills every four hours.
465
00:40:45,942 --> 00:40:49,613
"Take them before the pain starts.
Take them on schedule."
466
00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:54,743
When my son talked of his pain,
I said, "Did you take your pill?"
467
00:40:55,494 --> 00:40:58,955
I became an accomplice
to my son's demise.
468
00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:02,084
- That's not right.
- That ain't right!
469
00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:06,422
My son became addicted to OxyContin.
It progressed to heroin.
470
00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:09,550
It took 11 years.
But it fucking killed him!
471
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,138
It killed him. It took his life.
He died alone in a bathroom.
472
00:41:14,388 --> 00:41:17,099
I don't expect the Sacklers
to care about my son.
473
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:18,184
We care!
474
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,522
But 400,000 lives, right?
Somebody should care about that!
475
00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:24,940
Yes!
476
00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,242
And how did
the Guggenheim respond?
477
00:41:35,492 --> 00:41:37,411
They didn't say anything.
478
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,664
The museums were keeping quiet.
479
00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:45,752
The first year, it's like 25 museums
were supportive of the Sacklers.
480
00:41:46,002 --> 00:41:48,339
Either said nothing
or were supportive.
481
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:51,758
They know the Sacklers
are a bad look...
482
00:41:52,008 --> 00:41:54,511
- For their PR.
- Right.
483
00:41:54,761 --> 00:41:59,266
But they're terrified of what
will be found out about them.
484
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,521
The rich people are scared
that we're going to dig into
485
00:42:04,771 --> 00:42:07,065
the evil way they made money.
486
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:25,292
♪ Hoping you might fall into it ♪
487
00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:28,504
♪ Love hit me like a sudden slap ♪
488
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:33,259
♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪
489
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,513
♪ What's this whole world comin' to ♪
490
00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:41,225
♪ Things just ain't the same ♪
491
00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:45,437
♪ Any time the hunter ♪
492
00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:50,567
♪ Gets captured by the game ♪
493
00:42:52,986 --> 00:42:55,447
I moved to the Bowery in '78.
494
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,076
This place that
should have become a museum.
495
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:05,207
So many people lived there,
and it was one of the big addresses
496
00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:08,126
in lower New York at the time.
497
00:43:10,128 --> 00:43:13,089
It was a shithole loft
because there was no light.
498
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,134
It didn't have any walls
for a while.
499
00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:20,013
Kind of dysfunctional,
but managed to function.
500
00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:25,936
We used to fuck in the elevator.
There was a lot of drugs.
501
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:29,898
Always a lot of drugs,
a lot of coke, a lot of speed.
502
00:43:30,566 --> 00:43:32,108
The Bowery was the Ballad.
503
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,571
The Bowery was
the Goldin headquarters.
504
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:41,243
And that's where I was situated
in the universe, was the Bowery.
505
00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:50,836
When I got to New York, this guy
gave me some names of galleries.
506
00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,548
In those days, you went to
galleries with your portfolio.
507
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:56,883
So I called some galleries,
they weren't interested.
508
00:43:57,133 --> 00:43:59,595
And then I went up
to see Marvin.
509
00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:04,475
I walked in and showed these photos
that no one had ever seen before.
510
00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:07,060
Totally bad prints and torn.
511
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,564
And immediately,
we understood each other.
512
00:44:12,148 --> 00:44:15,569
She showed up one day
with a box of pictures,
513
00:44:15,819 --> 00:44:18,905
showed up in this party dress,
a polka dot party dress
514
00:44:19,155 --> 00:44:23,535
with a lot of crinolines,
and kind of weird makeup and...
515
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:28,957
walked up the very fancy stairs of this
gallery and... had this box of pictures.
516
00:44:29,207 --> 00:44:32,878
And I opened up this box of pictures
and about 20 of them in it and...
517
00:44:33,128 --> 00:44:35,130
I had never seen pictures
like that in my life.
518
00:44:35,381 --> 00:44:38,384
These portraits and pictures
of people living their lives
519
00:44:38,634 --> 00:44:41,970
that really were unlike anything
anybody else was doing.
520
00:44:43,179 --> 00:44:48,477
He asked me to bring more stuff,
and I brought up a crate.
521
00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:55,233
And I got the cab driver
to bring me up by giving him a blow job.
522
00:44:55,484 --> 00:44:58,404
So that's how I entered
the art world.
523
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,783
This was 1979.
524
00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:18,131
The first week we were there,
the Mudd Club opened.
525
00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:21,259
And I met Vivienne Dick.
526
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:26,181
Vivienne was curious
about everything,
527
00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:29,309
and a lot of stuff that happened,
she took me to.
528
00:45:29,601 --> 00:45:30,477
♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪
529
00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:32,479
♪ Well, the walls are so thin ♪
530
00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:37,150
I mean, there were different worlds
in New York that I was moving between,
531
00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:39,945
and they didn't necessarily
like each other.
532
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:48,620
The world of Vivienne and this woman
I lived with named Suzanne...
533
00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:52,541
♪ Yours eyes are shallow
and your glance is cold ♪
534
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,292
And Greer...
535
00:45:55,877 --> 00:45:59,339
She was making her dolls all the time,
working constantly.
536
00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:02,509
♪ You can't be funky, you can't be funky ♪
537
00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:06,304
♪ You can't be funky
if you haven't got a soul ♪
538
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,809
And then there was
the world of Bruce.
539
00:46:14,145 --> 00:46:16,022
And David.
540
00:46:17,483 --> 00:46:20,527
♪ Well, I lock you up tighter
every place that you go ♪
541
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,278
And Cookie.
542
00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:29,870
She was the center of
New York downtown life.
543
00:46:32,247 --> 00:46:33,206
♪ Fire ♪
544
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:36,460
♪ I bid you to burn ♪
545
00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:40,422
♪ Fire ♪
546
00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:43,509
People used to say
we were marginalized.
547
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:46,094
And we didn't care.
548
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,265
Normal people were
marginalized to us.
549
00:46:50,557 --> 00:46:52,476
♪ You fought hard and you saved ♪
550
00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:55,061
♪ But it's all going to burn ♪
551
00:46:55,353 --> 00:46:58,356
Cookie was in films,
she was in plays.
552
00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:02,027
And then she was writing
art criticism.
553
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:09,743
Cookie used to say, "I don't know
why people think I'm wild, I'm not wild,
554
00:47:10,076 --> 00:47:13,955
"wildness just appears
on the road in front of me."
555
00:47:15,081 --> 00:47:18,460
You have to hear her voice.
And that tells you everything.
556
00:47:19,753 --> 00:47:23,214
This kind of irony and humor.
557
00:47:24,215 --> 00:47:26,217
"'You should really wait for Charlie
to come back from the store.
558
00:47:26,468 --> 00:47:27,678
"'He's the one to talk to.
559
00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,055
"'He's right in there
buying oranges for us.'
560
00:47:30,305 --> 00:47:32,766
"She pointed to the Haight
Street Chinese fruit store,
561
00:47:33,016 --> 00:47:35,811
"but I'd had enough and thanked them
and left looking for more action.
562
00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:39,439
"These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky
Fromme and Mary Brunner and others.
563
00:47:39,606 --> 00:47:43,777
"And I missed meeting
Charlie Manson by 5 minutes."
564
00:47:44,986 --> 00:47:47,906
Cookie was working
as a go-go dancer.
565
00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:51,284
I was dancing
in New Jersey because
566
00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:54,913
you didn't have to take
your top off in New Jersey.
567
00:47:55,163 --> 00:47:57,916
New York was topless.
New Jersey wasn't.
568
00:48:01,753 --> 00:48:04,380
So we'd take the bus
out to Paterson,
569
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:08,927
and go to these low life bars,
and wiggle our asses,
570
00:48:09,177 --> 00:48:12,889
and then get on the bus
and come back to New York.
571
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:16,727
♪ If you're thinking you're too cool ♪
572
00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:19,605
I was dancing
to have money to buy film.
573
00:48:22,023 --> 00:48:26,486
♪ Boy, oh boy, have I got news for you ♪
574
00:48:28,113 --> 00:48:31,157
Then I started in the whorehouse.
575
00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:34,077
Yeah, that got pretty ugly.
576
00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:39,791
I haven't kept many secrets in my life.
577
00:48:41,417 --> 00:48:44,129
But I never did talk about it before.
578
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:53,304
But I think at this point in my life,
I should talk about it
579
00:48:53,597 --> 00:48:56,683
because of the incredible
stigma around sex work.
580
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,402
Vivienne got really interested in the fact
that I had worked in a house,
581
00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:11,865
and decided she wanted
to make a film about it.
582
00:49:12,866 --> 00:49:14,618
It's a fiction film.
583
00:49:14,868 --> 00:49:19,956
I'm playing the madam of the house
where I worked... who was a monster.
584
00:49:20,123 --> 00:49:23,209
Hi. How are you?
Have you been with us before?
585
00:49:23,459 --> 00:49:25,378
She would have us
on our backs all day,
586
00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:29,758
and then she'd come home from
Bloomingdales, showing off her lingerie.
587
00:49:31,968 --> 00:49:35,764
I mean sex work isn't negative
in itself, but it's no party.
588
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:38,558
It's one of the hardest jobs
you could have.
589
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,236
And so that's how
Tin Pan Alley came.
590
00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:57,493
Somebody said,
"You should go meet Maggie."
591
00:49:57,744 --> 00:50:01,081
She was hiring women
who had been sex workers,
592
00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:04,167
and helped people get out of it.
593
00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:09,673
She was an incredible force.
She was a community organizer.
594
00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:14,678
She was a great cook.
She was a radical.
595
00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:18,098
And she was a ballet dancer.
596
00:50:18,348 --> 00:50:22,268
So she hired me pretty quickly.
Like immediately.
597
00:50:23,394 --> 00:50:27,315
The bar was a safe space
for prostitutes and also a way
598
00:50:27,565 --> 00:50:31,402
to work their way out of prostitution
if they wished to do so.
599
00:50:31,569 --> 00:50:35,073
And it was a center
for those on the left,
600
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,533
the squatters movement,
the anarchist movement,
601
00:50:37,784 --> 00:50:38,910
the Black movement,
602
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,748
people who were interested in supporting
political prisoners from the Latin left.
603
00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:46,376
And so it was really
a polyglot place.
604
00:50:46,626 --> 00:50:51,172
It had hustlers, it had artists,
Reuters journalists.
605
00:50:51,547 --> 00:50:57,428
It had people from NBC who were on strike.
And it had the IRS.
606
00:50:58,304 --> 00:51:00,849
When the IRS would come
in the afternoon to get drunk,
607
00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,435
they were as hard to handle
as the bikers.
608
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,314
But the bar
was controlled by women.
609
00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:11,567
It was very important to me
that we not have bouncers,
610
00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:14,946
and not depend on male strength
for keeping the peace.
611
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,867
And so when people behind
the bar, including Nan,
612
00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:23,914
decided that it was time for someone
to go, that person would go.
613
00:51:25,999 --> 00:51:28,209
- It's on the house.
- Oh, thanks, Nan.
614
00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:39,805
Tin Pan was very integrated.
615
00:51:40,221 --> 00:51:44,392
The New Wave was not
a very integrated scene at all.
616
00:51:44,684 --> 00:51:49,689
And also it cut across class lines,
which New Wave also didn't do.
617
00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,234
I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan
but I can't say...
618
00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:56,780
Talk about repetitive nights, you know?
619
00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:03,411
When I first started, I loved it there.
The first two years...
620
00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:08,750
I listened to people.
Really listened.
621
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:12,796
And they weren't used to that.
622
00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:18,009
I was sort of the dominatrix
of the bar and I got tips
623
00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:22,472
because people wanted
to impress me, win me back...
624
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,895
And I would work till four in the morning
and then we'd go to The After Hours.
625
00:52:35,568 --> 00:52:40,073
Tin Pan Alley became
a major kind of staging point
626
00:52:40,323 --> 00:52:43,994
as people were planning
for the Times Square Show.
627
00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:49,457
It was multi-floor.
It was collaborative.
628
00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:56,965
There was graffiti, sculpture,
there were painters, lots of video work.
629
00:52:57,548 --> 00:52:58,967
There was music...
630
00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:14,732
The first floor is where
most of the performances were.
631
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,153
So Nan invited
everyone in the bar.
632
00:53:18,403 --> 00:53:20,655
So, yes, I was anxious
to see her work and...
633
00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:26,577
I was sitting on the floor and
this music starts and the slides start.
634
00:53:36,212 --> 00:53:38,131
♪ I put a spell on you ♪
635
00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,932
♪ Because you're mine ♪
636
00:53:53,021 --> 00:53:55,398
♪ Stop the things you do ♪
637
00:54:00,486 --> 00:54:01,487
♪ Watch out! ♪
638
00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:04,699
♪ I ain't lyin' ♪
639
00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:10,455
♪ Yeah ♪
640
00:54:10,621 --> 00:54:11,915
♪ I can't stand ♪
641
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,291
♪ Ooh! ♪
642
00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:16,127
♪ No running around ♪
643
00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:20,215
♪ I can't stand ♪
644
00:54:22,508 --> 00:54:25,095
The work was
incredibly political.
645
00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:27,305
It was about power,
646
00:54:27,555 --> 00:54:31,309
and particularly about the power
that men have over women,
647
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,688
and how that power
is translated up in society.
648
00:54:37,023 --> 00:54:41,152
The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow,
it was extremely raucous.
649
00:54:41,402 --> 00:54:44,155
What I remember mostly
is the noise,
650
00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:47,283
not just of the music or
of the equipment,
651
00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:52,497
but of people talking to the screen... Commenting.
652
00:54:53,831 --> 00:54:56,542
At the beginning,
the audience would be made up
653
00:54:56,792 --> 00:54:59,129
exclusively of the people
in the show,
654
00:54:59,379 --> 00:55:01,965
so they would scream at me
if they didn't like something,
655
00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,717
and scream if
they loved something.
656
00:55:04,968 --> 00:55:08,638
So I edited according
to that to some extent.
657
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Then I had those pictures of my friend
having sex with her boyfriend
658
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:17,730
and she demanded
I take them out at some point.
659
00:55:17,981 --> 00:55:21,651
And so that's when I started
photographing myself having sex.
660
00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:26,739
I figured if I was showing her having sex,
I had to show myself having sex.
661
00:55:31,077 --> 00:55:33,621
♪ Double shot of my baby's love ♪
662
00:55:33,913 --> 00:55:36,207
I was doing it
at underground clubs and
663
00:55:36,457 --> 00:55:39,710
my boyfriend at the time
was spinning records.
664
00:55:41,837 --> 00:55:44,007
So that's when the music started.
665
00:55:44,257 --> 00:55:46,217
I would start with songs
that I knew and then
666
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,345
people would send me
music, literally.
667
00:55:49,595 --> 00:55:52,265
But I changed them
every single time.
668
00:55:52,932 --> 00:55:57,979
It was fun, it was really fun.
People would be dancing.
669
00:55:58,313 --> 00:56:00,773
You know, it was fabulous.
670
00:56:04,485 --> 00:56:06,821
♪ Scream it out and say yo, hit it! ♪
671
00:56:07,613 --> 00:56:08,781
♪ Ya don't stop ♪
672
00:56:09,115 --> 00:56:13,661
I was always late for everything.
I didn't sleep.
673
00:56:13,911 --> 00:56:16,456
I mean, I was up
all night editing.
674
00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:22,212
You never saw
the same thing twice.
675
00:56:22,503 --> 00:56:24,630
She changed the music,
she changed the slides,
676
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:26,632
she changed the order of them.
677
00:56:26,632 --> 00:56:32,472
Sometimes her own changed feelings
changed the meanings of them
678
00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:36,726
because her photographs don't
hold just one meaning.
679
00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:42,607
You know, a lot is going on
in a Nan Goldin photograph.
680
00:56:46,736 --> 00:56:49,614
And I guess that's what made people
think it was so cinematic
681
00:56:49,864 --> 00:56:52,450
because to most people,
they seem like characters,
682
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:56,496
whereas to the people being photographed,
they seem like themselves.
683
00:56:58,581 --> 00:57:01,251
She photographs from our side.
684
00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:07,423
The mid-80s was when
I was closest to Cookie.
685
00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:15,598
She wasn't doing very well so this friend
of hers told her to spin a globe
686
00:57:16,057 --> 00:57:19,394
and wherever she put her finger,
to go there.
687
00:57:19,935 --> 00:57:24,190
So she went to Italy and
she met Vittorio.
688
00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:29,737
It was the greatest love of her life.
689
00:57:32,698 --> 00:57:37,412
It was a huge wedding.
Everyone in lower New York was there.
690
00:57:37,828 --> 00:57:43,126
Rene Ricard,
Greer, David Armstrong,
691
00:57:44,585 --> 00:57:48,464
Francesco Clemente,
Teri Toye...
692
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,801
Peter Hujar was there.
693
00:57:52,051 --> 00:57:55,930
And we were standing next
to each other taking pictures.
694
00:57:57,223 --> 00:57:59,600
It was a beautiful wedding,
695
00:58:02,061 --> 00:58:03,771
and a wild party.
696
00:58:05,273 --> 00:58:06,399
Yeah.
697
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:16,409
♪ He charges forth
while others are debatin' ♪
698
00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:20,330
♪ Conniving, cocky knave
with all the trimmin' ♪
699
00:58:20,621 --> 00:58:23,749
♪ I know one thing can trim him down ♪
700
00:58:24,459 --> 00:58:25,751
♪ Women ♪
701
00:58:26,294 --> 00:58:30,673
♪ In women he meets deep authority ♪
702
00:58:30,923 --> 00:58:37,930
♪ On them he feels his old dependency ♪
703
00:58:41,016 --> 00:58:45,730
Once I started sharing the work,
I got a lot of shit.
704
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,695
"There's no such thing as a good woman
artist," was said to me in the mid-80s.
705
00:58:53,696 --> 00:58:56,449
It was really
heavy resistance...
706
00:58:57,283 --> 00:59:01,329
especially from male artists
and gallerists who said,
707
00:59:01,662 --> 00:59:07,084
"This isn't photography.
Nobody photographs their own life."
708
00:59:07,377 --> 00:59:11,881
It was still a kind of outlier act.
709
00:59:12,257 --> 00:59:17,262
It was basically a time of black
and white, vertical photographs.
710
00:59:19,096 --> 00:59:24,143
So it's hard to understand that that
could have ever been radical.
711
00:59:28,939 --> 00:59:33,611
I thought the art world was bullshit
and that Times Square was real life.
712
00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:36,572
That's where I met Brian.
713
00:59:39,325 --> 00:59:46,123
Our first date, we went to see The Clash
right around the corner from the bar.
714
00:59:46,624 --> 00:59:49,669
And then we went up
to Harlem and copped.
715
00:59:51,629 --> 00:59:57,302
And then he just stayed.
And he stayed from '81 to '84.
716
01:00:01,764 --> 01:00:05,100
He was beautiful at the time,
and I fell in love with him.
717
01:00:07,645 --> 01:00:09,564
He was very tender.
718
01:00:10,898 --> 01:00:13,276
You can see it in Brian's eyes.
719
01:00:19,156 --> 01:00:24,579
We had very good sex, and that can keep
people together for a long time.
720
01:00:28,999 --> 01:00:31,627
And then we started
fighting a lot.
721
01:00:33,045 --> 01:00:35,298
And I was good at fighting.
722
01:00:40,345 --> 01:00:43,264
He wanted to break up
and I didn't want him to.
723
01:00:43,514 --> 01:00:47,602
And then we went through that a lot,
trying to break up.
724
01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:51,856
And then when I went to Berlin,
we'd broken up.
725
01:00:52,106 --> 01:00:57,194
And then he came to Berlin and...
And that story.
726
01:01:00,781 --> 01:01:07,037
I did a slideshow at some loft,
and we went to a bar,
727
01:01:08,539 --> 01:01:14,211
and then he realized I'd been
with this girl, and he became jealous.
728
01:01:14,879 --> 01:01:17,256
And that's what set it off.
729
01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:23,888
We were so intertwined,
we didn't know how to break up.
730
01:01:25,139 --> 01:01:28,643
So this was his way
of breaking up.
731
01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:37,485
He punched me in the face repeatedly,
like boom, boom, boom.
732
01:01:37,735 --> 01:01:40,279
And he went after my eyes.
733
01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:44,867
I was bleeding and
there was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris.
734
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,205
Sylvie came in and dragged me out.
She saved my life.
735
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:58,589
He trashed the room and he wrote
in lipstick all over the room:
736
01:01:58,839 --> 01:02:00,966
"Bitch," "Cunt"...
737
01:02:01,842 --> 01:02:03,636
He burned my diaries.
738
01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:09,434
The greatest luck of my life
is that I left the slideshow
739
01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:12,978
at the loft where I'd shown it because...
740
01:02:13,145 --> 01:02:16,106
- He would have destroyed it.
- He would have destroyed it.
741
01:02:16,357 --> 01:02:17,650
Yeah.
742
01:02:23,322 --> 01:02:28,327
All the bones in the orbital
floor of my eye were broken.
743
01:02:29,537 --> 01:02:31,497
- And...
- To go for your eyes.
744
01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:34,124
Maggie said he wanted
to blind me.
745
01:02:38,838 --> 01:02:44,635
My pictures of myself battered
were what kept me from going back.
746
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:52,059
Women who've been battered
have come to me and told me
747
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:56,063
that they were able to talk about it
because of those pictures.
748
01:03:00,192 --> 01:03:04,405
The struggle between
autonomy and dependency is
749
01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:07,658
the core of "The Ballad
of Sexual Dependency."
750
01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:17,835
My father tried to get it
stopped from being published.
751
01:03:19,712 --> 01:03:25,426
The pictures were one thing,
but they were so afraid of the text...
752
01:03:25,801 --> 01:03:29,680
'cause he said that I was trying to prove
that they killed my sister.
753
01:03:30,598 --> 01:03:32,475
That's how he put it.
754
01:03:34,644 --> 01:03:37,271
Brian was trying to get it stopped.
755
01:03:38,313 --> 01:03:42,777
It makes it even more radical:
all these men trying to stop it.
756
01:03:47,322 --> 01:03:51,494
When I got back to New York,
I went to Tin Pan.
757
01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:54,789
I was terrified because
there were all those men,
758
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,917
and I couldn't be
in a crowd with men.
759
01:03:58,417 --> 01:04:03,881
Maggie thought I was shooting dope
and I wasn't, but I was snorting it.
760
01:04:05,466 --> 01:04:08,218
And I remembered
when I quit Tin Pan, I thought,
761
01:04:08,469 --> 01:04:13,558
"Oh, now I'm going to get really strung
out because there's nothing to stop me."
762
01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:16,977
And I did.
763
01:04:24,902 --> 01:04:27,196
It's a little scary around here.
764
01:04:28,322 --> 01:04:32,409
A New York Post reporter called me cold
without being introduced.
765
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:36,288
He called me on my cell phone.
He said he got it on the internet.
766
01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:38,165
We have to really have the facts
767
01:04:38,415 --> 01:04:40,501
if we're going to go up
against this family.
768
01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:42,795
They could sue us, right?
769
01:04:44,505 --> 01:04:48,968
After a few of our actions, Purdue Pharma
started taking out full page ads
770
01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:54,389
in The New York Times, saying, "Of course
we care about the opioid crisis.
771
01:04:54,389 --> 01:04:57,142
"We're in the market of opioids."
772
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:02,147
People are still accepting
Sackler donations.
773
01:05:03,691 --> 01:05:05,985
What's happening with
the National Portrait Gallery?
774
01:05:06,235 --> 01:05:10,155
I don't know what's going on with my work
being in the show or not.
775
01:05:10,405 --> 01:05:12,199
What do people think?
776
01:05:12,491 --> 01:05:17,830
It would be a serious blow if Nan Goldin
refuses to show her work there
777
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,625
- because of Sackler money.
- So...
778
01:05:20,833 --> 01:05:24,044
Nan was set to have
a retrospective
779
01:05:24,461 --> 01:05:27,422
at the National
Portrait Gallery in the UK,
780
01:05:27,673 --> 01:05:34,597
but they're in the middle of accepting
a $1.3 million grant from the Sacklers.
781
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:39,393
So Nan told them that she would not
do her retrospective with them
782
01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:41,145
if they were to accept it.
783
01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:50,821
Unbelievable!
784
01:05:52,031 --> 01:05:55,117
Oh man, it's working, right?
It's working.
785
01:05:55,367 --> 01:05:57,161
I can't believe it!
786
01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,455
When the National Portrait Gallery refused
the donation from the Sacklers,
787
01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:02,124
I thought this is
a watershed moment.
788
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:06,086
This is an incredible rush
to think that
789
01:06:06,336 --> 01:06:10,465
people are actually beginning
to rethink how we do things.
790
01:06:12,718 --> 01:06:15,345
Let's go over
what happened in one week.
791
01:06:15,596 --> 01:06:19,725
I think it doesn't happen
to activist groups very often.
792
01:06:19,725 --> 01:06:25,815
On Tuesday, the National Portrait Gallery
was the first to refuse money.
793
01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:27,441
Yeah!
794
01:06:27,942 --> 01:06:30,110
On Thursday, the Tate crumbled.
795
01:06:30,569 --> 01:06:35,074
On Friday, surprisingly, the Guggenheim.
796
01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:38,202
- Yeah...
- And that was shocking.
797
01:06:39,745 --> 01:06:45,459
Okay, and then those dirty deep
bottom feeders, the hedge fund,
798
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:49,880
refusing to take the Sackler money,
which is unprecedented.
799
01:06:54,844 --> 01:06:56,887
The domino effect was huge.
800
01:06:57,137 --> 01:07:01,308
The fact that this is happening
by all these major museums
801
01:07:01,558 --> 01:07:04,353
and also Nan has her hand
in every single one,
802
01:07:04,645 --> 01:07:09,191
including the Tate, is major,
and then the Met followed.
803
01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:12,152
But it was not good enough for us.
804
01:07:12,444 --> 01:07:16,490
We had a very clear demand:
no longer accept Sackler money.
805
01:07:16,741 --> 01:07:19,576
Then the next part obviously
is take down the name.
806
01:07:25,958 --> 01:07:30,212
Subsequently, we then saw
this WhatsApp log
807
01:07:30,462 --> 01:07:33,924
that came out from the
Mortimer Sackler family members,
808
01:07:34,174 --> 01:07:37,511
and you actually see them
start to talk about Nan Goldin.
809
01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:43,267
They talk about it solely as
a matter of public relations management.
810
01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:48,272
You don't have a single person who says,
"Well, wait a second,
811
01:07:48,522 --> 01:07:50,399
"maybe there's some substance
to this critique.
812
01:07:50,649 --> 01:07:55,154
"We should look hard at what we've done.
Is there some way we can make amends?
813
01:07:55,404 --> 01:07:57,322
"Are there questions
we should be asking?"
814
01:07:57,489 --> 01:08:03,203
Instead, it's just entirely,
"How do we manage this PR problem?"
815
01:08:10,169 --> 01:08:13,005
When did you know
you were being followed?
816
01:08:14,631 --> 01:08:20,805
I was leaving Nan's by myself
on a Friday night.
817
01:08:21,722 --> 01:08:22,932
And...
818
01:08:25,017 --> 01:08:26,685
I noticed a car.
819
01:08:27,937 --> 01:08:33,608
I noticed that the person sitting in it
is obscuring his face.
820
01:08:33,984 --> 01:08:40,449
And the second I'm directly across
from him, he kind of looks at me.
821
01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:48,958
The next week, as I'm crossing
my direct street,
822
01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:53,545
up to the stop sign,
pulls this car.
823
01:08:54,338 --> 01:08:57,800
And I looked at him.
824
01:08:59,468 --> 01:09:02,012
And I just kept walking.
825
01:09:02,262 --> 01:09:05,766
I walked for like 15 feet or so,
and when I looked back,
826
01:09:06,016 --> 01:09:08,560
he was just taking
my photo from his car.
827
01:09:11,646 --> 01:09:17,194
And like I'm just having a memory
of that moment because it's like...
828
01:09:17,444 --> 01:09:18,320
There is no...
829
01:09:18,528 --> 01:09:21,824
I don't think I've experienced
a greater fear than that moment
830
01:09:22,074 --> 01:09:24,493
'cause I don't know
who the fuck this guy is.
831
01:09:25,953 --> 01:09:29,039
But I know it's the same guy
from the week before.
832
01:09:32,417 --> 01:09:35,420
So I think I even yelled at him,
but I don't even know if he knew.
833
01:09:35,670 --> 01:09:40,009
He peeled out,
and I was terrified.
834
01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:44,763
And then,
imagine my shock
835
01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:48,558
when the next week,
exactly a week later,
836
01:09:48,809 --> 01:09:51,561
this guy is outside of Nan's.
837
01:09:58,986 --> 01:10:01,989
We just walked out of Nan's house.
838
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,159
The same car is
in front of the house again.
839
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:16,086
And the guy is...
840
01:10:17,797 --> 01:10:22,384
right there...
watching me film him right now.
841
01:10:25,304 --> 01:10:27,431
He's pulling out right now.
842
01:10:32,937 --> 01:10:37,149
I went out with my wife and two children.
I have two small boys.
843
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:40,694
We walked out one day to run an errand,
and we're getting into the car,
844
01:10:40,945 --> 01:10:43,655
and a neighbor came over
and she said,
845
01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:47,576
"Hey, I don't want to freak you out,
but just up there,
846
01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:50,204
"there's a guy who's parked
across the street from my house
847
01:10:50,454 --> 01:10:52,706
"in an SUV,
and he's been there all day,
848
01:10:52,957 --> 01:10:55,000
"and I think he's watching
your house."
849
01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:56,418
So the first thing
I thought, of course,
850
01:10:56,626 --> 01:10:58,670
was that I knew that
Nan had had this experience
851
01:10:58,879 --> 01:11:01,090
and Megan had had
this experience.
852
01:11:03,592 --> 01:11:08,513
And so it felt of a piece
in terms of the M.O.
853
01:11:10,474 --> 01:11:15,479
When I was fact-checking my book, I asked
Purdue if they knew anything about
854
01:11:15,812 --> 01:11:19,649
these people who've been following
Nan, and Megan and me and...
855
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:22,652
Purdue came back and said,
856
01:11:22,903 --> 01:11:24,947
"Absolutely not. Of course,
we would never do such a thing.
857
01:11:25,197 --> 01:11:28,867
"That's outrageous."
Really strenuously denying it and...
858
01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:33,205
in my queries to the Sacklers,
I asked the same thing and...
859
01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:37,209
There were some of the things I asked
about that they came back and denied.
860
01:11:37,459 --> 01:11:39,419
And this was not one of them.
861
01:11:49,221 --> 01:11:51,681
Bob is one of
our board members.
862
01:11:53,433 --> 01:11:56,603
- Hi, how are you?
- Now, admittedly...
863
01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:58,397
It's a little crazy here.
864
01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:05,445
So has anybody had a Narcan kit before
or have been through a Narcan training?
865
01:12:05,695 --> 01:12:08,073
Yeah, I got a kit
a couple of weeks ago.
866
01:12:08,323 --> 01:12:11,076
I have a kit in my house,
but I haven't been trained.
867
01:12:11,576 --> 01:12:14,496
So I'm just going to go over
a couple of the essentials,
868
01:12:14,704 --> 01:12:17,916
signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose,
and how to use Narcan
869
01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:20,085
to reverse an opiate overdose, okay?
870
01:12:20,835 --> 01:12:24,381
So if you see somebody who you think
could be experiencing an opiate overdose,
871
01:12:24,631 --> 01:12:26,925
you say, "Are you okay?"
They don't respond.
872
01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:29,636
You do the sternal rub,
they still don't respond.
873
01:12:29,886 --> 01:12:30,845
You may shake them.
874
01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:33,598
If they still don't respond, that's
when you're gonna give Narcan.
875
01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,351
So you're going to give Narcan
and call 911.
876
01:12:36,601 --> 01:12:39,271
You can do whichever you want
to do first, but do both.
877
01:12:39,688 --> 01:12:42,732
Open it up, hold it.
Spray it up their nose, okay?
878
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:45,652
If it's not an overdose, it's not going
to hurt them and it won't work.
879
01:12:45,819 --> 01:12:48,447
But if it is an overdose,
it's gonna save their life.
880
01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:49,739
Okay?
881
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:54,619
Focusing on harm reduction is what's going
to bring people out of this crisis.
882
01:12:54,869 --> 01:12:58,582
Safe consumption sites, reducing
stigma and helping drug users
883
01:12:58,832 --> 01:13:01,293
is the long goal, so...
884
01:13:10,844 --> 01:13:14,473
Okay, we're going to start the hearing.
Good morning.
885
01:13:14,639 --> 01:13:17,351
I'd like to welcome you
to today's hearing
886
01:13:17,476 --> 01:13:21,896
on the adequacy of funding for
substance use disorder services.
887
01:13:22,147 --> 01:13:24,399
Our next witness is Nan Goldin,
888
01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:28,737
founder of Prescription
Addiction Intervention Now.
889
01:13:29,154 --> 01:13:32,699
I'm gonna speak, by and large,
from the personal experience.
890
01:13:32,949 --> 01:13:36,411
That maybe will help inform you
of what it means,
891
01:13:36,661 --> 01:13:39,331
some of these bills
that you're trying to pass,
892
01:13:39,581 --> 01:13:41,958
what it actually impacts
on a human being.
893
01:13:42,792 --> 01:13:47,547
I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy
without buprenorphine.
894
01:13:48,006 --> 01:13:52,261
On a small dose of buprenorphine,
cravings for opioids are reduced.
895
01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:57,224
At larger doses, you can't even feel
the effects of opioids if you try.
896
01:13:57,432 --> 01:14:01,436
I was one of the lucky ones who was able
to access MAT immediately
897
01:14:01,686 --> 01:14:02,896
and afford good treatment.
898
01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:06,191
Doctors need to pay to train
and receive a waiver
899
01:14:06,441 --> 01:14:08,068
to prescribe buprenorphine,
900
01:14:08,318 --> 01:14:12,239
when no such certificate is required
to prescribe OxyContin.
901
01:14:12,656 --> 01:14:17,244
Again, this is a policy that increases
the stigma in the medical community
902
01:14:17,494 --> 01:14:20,080
about treating people
addicted to drugs.
903
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:22,332
People need to be kept alive.
904
01:14:22,582 --> 01:14:26,628
Addiction is not a moral issue.
It is not a criminal issue.
905
01:14:26,878 --> 01:14:29,005
Harm reduction means not only
906
01:14:29,256 --> 01:14:32,384
recovering the harm caused
by the disease of addiction,
907
01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:36,555
but also the harm caused
by the social and moral assault
908
01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:39,641
on people with
substance use disorder.
909
01:14:41,643 --> 01:14:42,936
Thank you very much.
910
01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:46,981
It's important to hear from people
who take Medication-Assisted Treatment.
911
01:14:47,232 --> 01:14:49,025
- But I'm not ashamed of it.
- No.
912
01:14:49,193 --> 01:14:51,528
And it's not
my road to recovery.
913
01:14:51,778 --> 01:14:54,448
- It is my recovery.
- That's important to share.
914
01:14:54,698 --> 01:14:58,827
People think you have to be off everything
in order to be in recovery,
915
01:14:59,077 --> 01:15:00,912
and that's certainly not true.
916
01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:05,209
- Yeah, the stigma is terrible.
- Okay. Thank you so much.
917
01:15:23,435 --> 01:15:24,769
Lock arms?
918
01:15:28,815 --> 01:15:33,903
We joined with Housing Works
and Vocal New York,
919
01:15:34,154 --> 01:15:36,323
who really wanted
to do an action...
920
01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,533
- We are here...
- We are here...
921
01:15:38,908 --> 01:15:41,953
- to draw attention to...
- to draw attention to...
922
01:15:42,204 --> 01:15:46,333
- Overdose Awareness Day!
- Overdose Awareness Day!
923
01:15:46,708 --> 01:15:48,585
- No stigma!
- No shame!
924
01:15:48,793 --> 01:15:50,587
- No stigma!
- No shame!
925
01:15:50,754 --> 01:15:52,547
- No stigma!
- No shame!
926
01:15:52,714 --> 01:15:54,591
- No stigma!
- No shame!
927
01:15:55,967 --> 01:15:57,802
In order to do
the harm reduction,
928
01:15:58,052 --> 01:16:01,515
the safe consumption sites
invite people in and say,
929
01:16:01,765 --> 01:16:07,646
"Look... whatever you're dependent on
is not what we question right now.
930
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:10,690
"We just want you to be able
to do it in a safe way.
931
01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:12,234
"Not put anybody at risk."
932
01:16:13,693 --> 01:16:16,446
"Here's how to shoot up
in a clean way."
933
01:16:17,113 --> 01:16:19,866
"You don't know what you bought,
we'll test it for you."
934
01:16:21,201 --> 01:16:24,913
- Hey Cuomo, what do you say?
- How many people died today?
935
01:16:33,171 --> 01:16:37,342
No more deaths! No more deaths!
No more deaths!
936
01:16:56,903 --> 01:17:01,575
I went to rehab
for the first time in 1988.
937
01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:08,998
I had been kind of
isolated from my friends.
938
01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:14,588
I thought I was going back
to my community...
939
01:17:15,839 --> 01:17:19,676
And then I realized most of the
people were dead or dying.
940
01:17:20,260 --> 01:17:22,136
We'll never be
silent again, Act Up!
941
01:17:22,387 --> 01:17:24,681
We'll never be
silent again, Act Up!
942
01:17:31,896 --> 01:17:34,691
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
943
01:17:34,941 --> 01:17:37,902
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
944
01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:50,790
It was like World War II.
945
01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:56,170
We watched everybody get wiped out,
and there was nothing we could do.
946
01:18:04,137 --> 01:18:08,892
I got a call from Artists Space,
and they asked me to curate a show.
947
01:18:11,728 --> 01:18:14,773
I wanted the subject of it
to be AIDS.
948
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:19,068
And I was told there hadn't been
any shows about AIDS.
949
01:18:23,823 --> 01:18:28,161
I asked all my friends
to contribute something
950
01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:30,914
because I wanted it to be
a community.
951
01:18:31,706 --> 01:18:34,000
It was the first show I curated.
952
01:18:37,295 --> 01:18:40,006
Mortality no longer feels like
some abstraction
953
01:18:40,256 --> 01:18:43,259
that I could push away
to the age of 80 or 90 or...
954
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:49,724
There's no longer a luxury of
pushing the idea of mortality away.
955
01:18:53,102 --> 01:18:59,150
David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide.
He was my political guide.
956
01:19:04,906 --> 01:19:06,700
"If you want to stop AIDS,
shoot the queers,"
957
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:08,618
says the governor of Texas
on the radio.
958
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:12,080
And his press secretary later claims
the governor was only joking,
959
01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:14,290
and didn't know
the microphone was turned on.
960
01:19:14,541 --> 01:19:17,794
And besides, he didn't think it would hurt
his chances for re-election anyways.
961
01:19:18,044 --> 01:19:19,379
And I wake up every morning.
962
01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:22,549
I wake up every morning in this
killing machine called America,
963
01:19:22,799 --> 01:19:25,093
and I'm carrying this rage
like a blood-filled egg.
964
01:19:25,343 --> 01:19:29,097
And there's a thin line, a thin line
between the inside and outside,
965
01:19:29,347 --> 01:19:31,683
a thin line between thought
and action.
966
01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,395
And that line is simply made up
of blood and muscle and bone.
967
01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:37,981
I've been looking all my life
at the signs surrounding us,
968
01:19:38,231 --> 01:19:39,858
in the media,
or on people's lips,
969
01:19:40,108 --> 01:19:42,736
the religious types
outside St Patrick's Cathedral,
970
01:19:42,986 --> 01:19:45,071
shouting to the men and women
in the gay parade:
971
01:19:45,321 --> 01:19:48,533
"You won't be here next year.
You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!"
972
01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:58,960
Nan Goldin curated this show
with the idea of
973
01:19:59,252 --> 01:20:04,966
choosing the work of people that she knew
who were affected by AIDS,
974
01:20:05,216 --> 01:20:07,469
who were living with AIDS.
975
01:20:09,387 --> 01:20:12,932
She wanted to dispel
the notion of AIDS victim.
976
01:20:14,684 --> 01:20:17,186
Now, I'm hardly a victim
if I can resist.
977
01:20:17,437 --> 01:20:21,315
What I see is institutionalized
ignorance about this epidemic.
978
01:20:24,694 --> 01:20:28,072
She also wanted to deal
with issues of sexuality
979
01:20:28,322 --> 01:20:30,867
in the midst of this epidemic.
980
01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:36,540
That there was sexuality,
there was safe sexuality,
981
01:20:36,998 --> 01:20:40,627
and that this was going
to continue to occur,
982
01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:45,381
despite the silencing of that information
by a church or government.
983
01:20:48,342 --> 01:20:51,012
There is really
important work in the show.
984
01:20:52,931 --> 01:20:55,850
Like David's.
Like Peter Hujar's.
985
01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:00,689
Philip-Lorca diCorcia.
986
01:21:01,898 --> 01:21:03,692
Mark Morrisroe.
987
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,611
Greer Lankton.
988
01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:09,238
Darrel Ellis.
989
01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:13,827
People both really well-known
and people unknown.
990
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:19,833
It was about
the loss of a community.
991
01:21:20,792 --> 01:21:24,420
And trying to keep
people's legacy alive.
992
01:21:30,301 --> 01:21:33,597
I called David and asked him
to write for my catalogue.
993
01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:39,519
I sent him pictures of
some of the work that was in it,
994
01:21:39,769 --> 01:21:42,480
and I said, "You can
write whatever you want.
995
01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:44,899
"I'll support
whatever you write."
996
01:21:45,316 --> 01:21:48,194
I was asked to write
a catalogue essay
997
01:21:48,444 --> 01:21:52,448
pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS
and a community of people.
998
01:21:52,824 --> 01:21:57,370
So I started talking about what I was
experiencing right there in my life and
999
01:21:57,621 --> 01:22:01,625
dealing with image and representation
and everything seen through the framework
1000
01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:05,587
of having a taboo disease
in this society.
1001
01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:10,341
I love that this tiny, little,
skinny catalogue
1002
01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:14,095
with thumbnail reproductions
in black and white
1003
01:22:14,428 --> 01:22:18,224
could cause a major
political shake-up.
1004
01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:22,687
At the Artists Space Gallery
in Tribeca,
1005
01:22:22,937 --> 01:22:25,607
preparations are still underway
for next week's exhibit,
1006
01:22:25,857 --> 01:22:29,193
but the National Endowment of
the Arts has canceled its grant.
1007
01:22:29,443 --> 01:22:31,655
The National Endowment for
the Arts refuses to sponsor
1008
01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:33,782
an art show
here in New York City
1009
01:22:34,032 --> 01:22:36,367
because it deals with
AIDS and homosexuality
1010
01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:38,953
and also offends
some political sensibilities.
1011
01:22:39,203 --> 01:22:41,581
One thing I want to point out is
that it's artist-organized.
1012
01:22:41,831 --> 01:22:44,751
It's organized by a photographer
named Nan Goldin...
1013
01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:49,255
Susan Wyatt, the director,
got nervous about David's writing,
1014
01:22:49,505 --> 01:22:52,258
and so she took it to the NEA.
1015
01:22:52,801 --> 01:22:56,304
The catalogue reportedly
criticizes Senator Jesse Helms
1016
01:22:56,554 --> 01:22:59,057
for his position
on homosexuality and art,
1017
01:22:59,390 --> 01:23:04,312
and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor
"a fat cannibal in a black skirt."
1018
01:23:06,355 --> 01:23:09,233
- You think the phone is gonna ring again?
- Any minute.
1019
01:23:09,442 --> 01:23:10,944
About what? What do you
think it's gonna be?
1020
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:13,321
It's probably Cardinal O'Connor,
1021
01:23:13,571 --> 01:23:16,991
expressing his direct support
of my statements.
1022
01:23:17,366 --> 01:23:23,539
And admitting that since he does feast on
the body of Christ, that he is a cannibal,
1023
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:26,960
and that, yes, he does have a penchant
for black skirts.
1024
01:23:27,168 --> 01:23:31,631
He is fat, translucent and immoral.
1025
01:23:36,678 --> 01:23:40,932
After the news first broke,
David called, really upset,
1026
01:23:41,182 --> 01:23:45,228
and told me that they were
trying to make him take out
1027
01:23:45,478 --> 01:23:48,314
"fat fucking cannibal in black skirts."
1028
01:23:50,233 --> 01:23:52,401
I think it's very dangerous
and very scary.
1029
01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:56,489
I see an outbreak of McCarthyism
and a blacklisting of artists...
1030
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:58,950
if this is continued
to allow to happen.
1031
01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:06,165
What happened is that the artistic focus
of the show really was lost.
1032
01:24:06,457 --> 01:24:11,004
And what turned out to be
the show in its present form,
1033
01:24:11,254 --> 01:24:14,257
was not and is not sound artistically.
1034
01:24:15,633 --> 01:24:19,303
Composer Leonard Bernstein managed
to become embroiled in the controversy.
1035
01:24:19,512 --> 01:24:22,431
This after declining
the National Medal of Arts
1036
01:24:22,682 --> 01:24:25,935
because of the NEA action
taking away the grant.
1037
01:24:27,103 --> 01:24:30,815
And the thing that makes me laugh is,
if at this point in time,
1038
01:24:31,065 --> 01:24:35,278
images and words that can be made
by an individual have such power
1039
01:24:35,528 --> 01:24:40,158
to create this storm of controversy...
Isn't that great?
1040
01:24:40,324 --> 01:24:43,870
It means that the control of information
has a crack in its wall.
1041
01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:51,502
Hello. Yeah.
1042
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:53,587
Hi...
1043
01:24:55,506 --> 01:24:56,841
Well, it's just been a zoo.
1044
01:24:57,091 --> 01:25:00,219
Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up
an art catalogue on the Senate floor...
1045
01:25:00,511 --> 01:25:03,514
How can they ignore
the political aspect of AIDS?
1046
01:25:03,723 --> 01:25:07,601
Is the fact that I may be dying of AIDS
in 1989, is that not political?
1047
01:25:07,852 --> 01:25:09,603
Is the fact that I don't
have health insurance
1048
01:25:09,771 --> 01:25:11,856
and I don't have access
to adequate health care?
1049
01:25:12,106 --> 01:25:14,275
Is that not political?
1050
01:25:27,496 --> 01:25:32,877
Vittorio was given three months to live
and he started drawing cartoons.
1051
01:25:41,135 --> 01:25:44,013
He was still alive
a year and a half later.
1052
01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:50,519
That's the wake of Vittorio.
1053
01:25:57,443 --> 01:25:59,863
Cookie had already lost her voice.
1054
01:26:00,738 --> 01:26:05,994
She was constantly writing so people
could see what she needed and wanted.
1055
01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:11,457
Then Sharon came back
to take care of Cookie.
1056
01:26:15,711 --> 01:26:18,506
The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie...
1057
01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:21,717
To me, this is the meaning of love.
1058
01:26:27,932 --> 01:26:29,475
I was raging.
1059
01:26:29,725 --> 01:26:34,397
"Call this doctor. Call that doctor.
Someone's gonna be able to help her.
1060
01:26:34,522 --> 01:26:38,151
"There's got to be something.
There's a treatment out there somewhere."
1061
01:26:38,651 --> 01:26:41,112
And then to realize
there was no doctor to call.
1062
01:26:41,362 --> 01:26:43,907
It was just... I didn't get it.
1063
01:27:01,424 --> 01:27:04,468
We had Cookie's memorial
at St Mark's Church,
1064
01:27:04,718 --> 01:27:07,513
and the next day,
"Witnesses" opened.
1065
01:27:10,641 --> 01:27:12,685
My name is David Wojnarowicz.
1066
01:27:12,936 --> 01:27:14,896
I'd like to read this
in memory of Peter Hujar,
1067
01:27:15,146 --> 01:27:20,026
Keith Davis, Bebe Smith,
Cookie Mueller, Vittorio.
1068
01:27:20,985 --> 01:27:24,030
One of the first steps in making
the private grief public
1069
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,324
is the ritual of memorials,
1070
01:27:26,574 --> 01:27:29,577
and I've attended a number of memorials
in the last five years,
1071
01:27:29,827 --> 01:27:30,954
and at the last one I attended,
1072
01:27:31,204 --> 01:27:34,582
I suddenly found myself experiencing
something akin to rage.
1073
01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:36,209
What made me angry,
1074
01:27:36,459 --> 01:27:39,670
what made me angry was realizing
that the memorial had little reverberation
1075
01:27:39,921 --> 01:27:41,172
outside the room it was held in,
1076
01:27:41,630 --> 01:27:43,007
and at the same time,
worry that friends
1077
01:27:43,257 --> 01:27:45,051
will solely become
professional pallbearers,
1078
01:27:45,301 --> 01:27:48,012
waiting for each death of their lovers,
friends and neighbors,
1079
01:27:48,262 --> 01:27:50,139
and polishing
their funereal speeches,
1080
01:27:50,598 --> 01:27:54,560
perfecting their rituals of death rather
than a relatively simple ritual of life,
1081
01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:56,980
such as screaming
in the streets.
1082
01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:02,318
Not the church! Not the state!
We decide what art is great!
1083
01:28:08,407 --> 01:28:10,076
Step on the sidewalk,
can't stay in the street.
1084
01:28:10,326 --> 01:28:13,287
And I imagine what it would be like
if friends had a demonstration
1085
01:28:13,537 --> 01:28:16,374
each time a lover or a friend
or a stranger died of AIDS.
1086
01:28:16,624 --> 01:28:18,042
And I imagine
what it would be like,
1087
01:28:18,292 --> 01:28:20,794
each time a lover or friend
or stranger died of AIDS,
1088
01:28:21,045 --> 01:28:22,171
or of this disease,
1089
01:28:22,421 --> 01:28:24,798
their friends, lovers or neighbors
would take their dead body
1090
01:28:24,966 --> 01:28:28,636
and drive with it in a car
100 mph to Washington, D.C.,
1091
01:28:28,886 --> 01:28:30,554
and blast through the gates
of the White House
1092
01:28:30,763 --> 01:28:32,556
and come to a screeching halt
before the entrance,
1093
01:28:32,806 --> 01:28:36,227
and then dump their lifeless
forms on the front steps.
1094
01:28:37,436 --> 01:28:40,064
But bottom line,
even a tiny charcoal scratch
1095
01:28:40,314 --> 01:28:43,192
done as a gesture to mark
a person's response to this epidemic,
1096
01:28:43,401 --> 01:28:46,695
means whole worlds to me,
if it's hung in public.
1097
01:28:47,071 --> 01:28:51,075
And bottom line, we have to find our own
forms of gesture and communication.
1098
01:28:51,325 --> 01:28:54,287
You can never depend
on the mass media to reflect us
1099
01:28:54,537 --> 01:28:57,373
or our needs
or our states of mind.
1100
01:28:59,833 --> 01:29:03,963
NEA, stop your tricks!
Art is sex and politics!
1101
01:29:06,799 --> 01:29:11,262
Mark Morrisroe died
soon after it opened.
1102
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:19,687
David Wojnarowicz died in 1992.
1103
01:29:23,774 --> 01:29:27,070
People don't really understand
the anger, and frustration,
1104
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,989
and pain of those years.
1105
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,288
They don't understand
what we went through.
1106
01:29:43,169 --> 01:29:44,920
It's still killing people.
1107
01:29:46,630 --> 01:29:48,882
It never went away.
1108
01:29:52,595 --> 01:29:56,182
David Armstrong died in 2014.
1109
01:30:00,019 --> 01:30:03,606
You know, we spent
a lot of our life together.
1110
01:30:08,069 --> 01:30:10,571
Decades of friendship.
1111
01:30:50,403 --> 01:30:54,490
Many people have started to refuse
donations from the Sacklers,
1112
01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:58,786
including the Guggenheim Museum,
the Met Museum, the Tate,
1113
01:30:59,036 --> 01:31:03,832
and the National Portrait Gallery,
as well as medical institutions worldwide.
1114
01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:08,337
We need to demand that
the Louvre stand by and hear us,
1115
01:31:08,671 --> 01:31:10,714
and be the first
to take down their name.
1116
01:31:59,805 --> 01:32:03,642
- Can I ask you a question?
- What?
1117
01:32:03,934 --> 01:32:07,688
- When you overdosed, were you alone?
- Yeah.
1118
01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:11,192
Totally.
1119
01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:19,617
I thought it was dope,
so I snorted it and it was fentanyl.
1120
01:32:21,285 --> 01:32:26,290
And a lot of people want fentanyl,
but I was not prepared for fentanyl.
1121
01:32:26,540 --> 01:32:31,962
And I just went out like that.
I just went out.
1122
01:32:33,881 --> 01:32:38,051
And then I came back.
And then I went out again.
1123
01:32:39,262 --> 01:32:41,597
Nobody brought me back.
I just came back.
1124
01:32:43,098 --> 01:32:46,935
I'm so lucky
that I came back by myself.
1125
01:32:53,066 --> 01:32:58,239
I mean, all the judgment of people
who are addicted to drugs
1126
01:32:58,489 --> 01:33:00,324
are stigmatized
without understanding
1127
01:33:00,574 --> 01:33:04,828
what the experience of
not having these drugs is.
1128
01:33:08,291 --> 01:33:10,876
To have to go
through withdrawal.
1129
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:15,047
Your brain is stripped of
its opioid receptors,
1130
01:33:15,298 --> 01:33:19,176
so you have no protection
from any kind of pain.
1131
01:33:21,512 --> 01:33:23,806
It's not just the physical part.
1132
01:33:24,973 --> 01:33:28,311
It's like... the darkest...
1133
01:33:29,978 --> 01:33:33,774
you can go.
It's a darkness of the soul.
1134
01:33:36,402 --> 01:33:38,321
It's unbearable.
1135
01:33:59,216 --> 01:34:00,926
Okay. I am here.
1136
01:34:01,176 --> 01:34:03,554
You can come by
whenever you want.
1137
01:34:04,012 --> 01:34:04,972
- Hello
- Hi.
1138
01:34:05,222 --> 01:34:08,309
- What did you say?
- I'm here at the restaurant.
1139
01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:09,977
You can come here
whenever you want.
1140
01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:13,188
- Great. How many did you get?
- All that you wanted.
1141
01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:30,789
- Yeah.
- Hi.
1142
01:34:31,332 --> 01:34:33,292
- Who is it?
- You still in the bed?
1143
01:34:33,542 --> 01:34:35,919
Oh, no, I never went to sleep.
1144
01:34:36,712 --> 01:34:40,383
You know what really hit me as peculiar?
1145
01:34:40,716 --> 01:34:43,344
And I've been thinking about it
all morning.
1146
01:34:43,927 --> 01:34:49,808
Misery does not love company.
Misery loves attention... in this case.
1147
01:35:33,561 --> 01:35:38,315
The supply has become very dirty.
Basically lethal.
1148
01:35:43,111 --> 01:35:45,030
Fentanyl is in everything now.
1149
01:35:46,407 --> 01:35:48,075
Isn't this fentanyl here?
1150
01:35:48,325 --> 01:35:52,371
So fentanyl has like one big peak,
coke has two peaks right here.
1151
01:35:52,621 --> 01:35:54,206
And they're at
slightly different numbers.
1152
01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:58,544
- Okay.
- Here you can see this deviates.
1153
01:36:07,177 --> 01:36:09,930
You want to show them
the bloody ones you did?
1154
01:36:10,764 --> 01:36:14,267
No, but it's good 'cause
then it will be obvious it's not real.
1155
01:36:19,982 --> 01:36:22,610
- What is our messaging?
- Our messaging is...
1156
01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:25,529
"Purdue is bankrupt,
but the Sacklers aren't.
1157
01:36:25,863 --> 01:36:28,866
"Their personal wealth has
all been made from OxyContin
1158
01:36:29,116 --> 01:36:30,951
"and it needs to be
taken from them."
1159
01:36:31,368 --> 01:36:35,330
I think the messaging is the Sacklers
are getting away with murder.
1160
01:36:35,706 --> 01:36:38,834
We want their money
and where we want to spend it.
1161
01:36:40,669 --> 01:36:44,089
The company ends up
declaring bankruptcy.
1162
01:36:44,089 --> 01:36:48,135
That's this kind of amazing
escape hatch because
1163
01:36:49,344 --> 01:36:52,389
what happens is that Purdue,
the company, says,
1164
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,182
"Listen, we realize
there's all these lawsuits,
1165
01:36:54,433 --> 01:36:59,438
"but we don't have the resources
to fight or settle them all,
1166
01:36:59,647 --> 01:37:01,524
"and so instead we're gonna
declare bankruptcy
1167
01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:03,776
"because our coffers
are almost empty."
1168
01:37:04,527 --> 01:37:07,320
But the reason that the coffers
are almost empty, we now know,
1169
01:37:07,571 --> 01:37:12,200
is that behind the scenes for a decade
leading up to this bankruptcy plea,
1170
01:37:12,493 --> 01:37:16,204
the Sacklers have been quietly
siphoning money out of the company.
1171
01:37:16,455 --> 01:37:22,836
So they took more than $10 billion out of
the company before it declares bankruptcy.
1172
01:37:23,086 --> 01:37:25,338
- Whose money?
- Our money!
1173
01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:28,383
- Whose blood?
- Our blood!
1174
01:37:40,312 --> 01:37:44,942
- You think they could get away with this?
- Of course. Yes.
1175
01:37:45,067 --> 01:37:47,611
I never expected that
they'd be held accountable.
1176
01:37:47,903 --> 01:37:52,032
I don't think that much money can be
taken away from a billionaire family.
1177
01:37:57,412 --> 01:38:03,711
The fact that a bankruptcy court is
deciding a public crisis issue is crazy.
1178
01:38:05,045 --> 01:38:06,088
That's the problem.
1179
01:38:06,379 --> 01:38:08,423
So I've been involved
since the beginning basically.
1180
01:38:08,549 --> 01:38:10,175
At some point,
a lightbulb went on and I was like:
1181
01:38:10,300 --> 01:38:13,178
"Let's bring the activism
into the courtroom,"
1182
01:38:13,303 --> 01:38:18,016
and ever since then,
we've been fighting in the court.
1183
01:38:18,266 --> 01:38:21,436
And we weren't exactly welcome
the first time.
1184
01:38:22,563 --> 01:38:27,985
You know, we're like little assassins,
we go in and get out.
1185
01:38:28,902 --> 01:38:33,281
I told the lawyer for Purdue
that I'm doing it pro-bono.
1186
01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:35,534
He was like, "What?"
1187
01:38:39,329 --> 01:38:41,373
He was like,
"What? Wait, what?"
1188
01:38:41,957 --> 01:38:44,543
You know, because they spend
$30 million a month
1189
01:38:44,793 --> 01:38:48,255
on legal fees and
professional fees in this case.
1190
01:38:49,757 --> 01:38:54,595
There's like 80-something attorneys
and people on this call.
1191
01:38:54,845 --> 01:38:56,388
That's a lot.
1192
01:38:57,097 --> 01:39:02,686
Good morning, this is Judge Drain.
This is a completely telephonic hearing.
1193
01:39:04,021 --> 01:39:08,817
We're here today in re:
Purdue Pharma L.P.
1194
01:39:09,818 --> 01:39:12,195
Your Honor, we think
there's a huge mistake here.
1195
01:39:12,445 --> 01:39:15,741
We think the process that
the DOJ went through was wrong.
1196
01:39:15,991 --> 01:39:19,912
We think that the results,
which are completely vague and baffling
1197
01:39:20,162 --> 01:39:21,872
to me and my clients, is wrong.
1198
01:39:23,081 --> 01:39:26,293
The DOJ neither invited input
from Purdue's victims,
1199
01:39:26,543 --> 01:39:30,297
nor the public, nor apparently
any members of the House and Senate.
1200
01:39:30,714 --> 01:39:35,969
The negotiation between these two parties,
the DOJ and Purdue/The Sacklers alone,
1201
01:39:36,219 --> 01:39:39,598
is not sufficient to make
this kind of policy decision.
1202
01:39:40,057 --> 01:39:42,559
My clients are like
the Ghost of Christmas Past,
1203
01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:44,519
they're here to tell you in 2007,
1204
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:48,273
they saw there was a problem,
the problem got worse,
1205
01:39:48,523 --> 01:39:51,484
and this is our moment,
their moment, to tell you
1206
01:39:51,735 --> 01:39:55,113
we gotta make sure
that the future is safer.
1207
01:39:56,114 --> 01:40:00,202
Okay, well...
All right, thank you.
1208
01:40:00,786 --> 01:40:04,581
Good morning, Your Honor, and good morning
to everyone who is on the line.
1209
01:40:04,748 --> 01:40:07,167
Your Honor, Mr. Quinn
many times used the phrase
1210
01:40:07,417 --> 01:40:09,002
"Purdue/The Sacklers,"
1211
01:40:09,252 --> 01:40:13,381
the kind of suggestion that Purdue
and the Sacklers are in this together
1212
01:40:13,632 --> 01:40:15,258
is really not helpful.
1213
01:40:15,508 --> 01:40:17,552
And it's just, it's not fair.
1214
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,600
This is so depressing.
1215
01:40:23,851 --> 01:40:28,188
Thank you so much, Mike, thank you
so much for going out there and battling.
1216
01:40:28,438 --> 01:40:32,359
I feel proud to be doing it,
and, whatever, we're in it.
1217
01:40:32,609 --> 01:40:35,612
The fact that our group
is in the bankruptcy,
1218
01:40:35,863 --> 01:40:38,615
at the front of the bankruptcy, fighting
every single thing, tooth and nail,
1219
01:40:38,741 --> 01:40:41,076
- is pretty amazing.
- Yeah, it's pretty funny.
1220
01:40:41,076 --> 01:40:42,410
It's fucking crazy.
1221
01:40:42,745 --> 01:40:45,163
Is there any chance
of criminal charges?
1222
01:40:45,288 --> 01:40:46,123
No.
1223
01:40:46,248 --> 01:40:49,877
The way the plan's structured,
if the DOJ filed
1224
01:40:50,127 --> 01:40:52,420
criminal charges
against the Sacklers now,
1225
01:40:52,671 --> 01:40:55,048
it would blow up
the whole bankruptcy.
1226
01:40:55,298 --> 01:40:58,761
So effectively, they just dodged
criminal liability.
1227
01:41:16,278 --> 01:41:18,906
We followed these people
into bankruptcy court
1228
01:41:19,156 --> 01:41:23,576
and we're watching them completely
manipulate the justice system.
1229
01:41:23,827 --> 01:41:26,997
There's no justice for us,
only for billionaires.
1230
01:41:27,205 --> 01:41:30,500
So all we can hope is that the money
in the settlement
1231
01:41:30,834 --> 01:41:34,629
that goes to the states,
goes to the right places,
1232
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,175
that it goes to harm reduction,
and not policing.
1233
01:41:40,427 --> 01:41:43,638
That it goes to groups like you
that are saving lives.
1234
01:41:50,854 --> 01:41:53,106
This is a proceeding in federal court.
1235
01:41:53,356 --> 01:41:55,233
It is being held remotely,
1236
01:41:56,109 --> 01:42:00,072
but the rules and decorum
of a federal court apply.
1237
01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:04,117
Yeah.
1238
01:42:06,536 --> 01:42:11,750
So let me confirm,
I see David Sackler on the screen,
1239
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,669
and I see Theresa Sackler.
1240
01:42:15,712 --> 01:42:18,924
Richard Sackler is on the phone
1241
01:42:19,174 --> 01:42:22,385
and will stay on the phone
throughout this proceeding.
1242
01:42:22,886 --> 01:42:25,680
Dr. Sackler, can you confirm
that for me?
1243
01:42:26,431 --> 01:42:31,561
Yes, Your Honor, I am here
on the phone and I'm listening.
1244
01:42:31,854 --> 01:42:35,941
Before we start, there's one clarification
I wanted to make:
1245
01:42:36,191 --> 01:42:39,236
I believe Richard said
that he is listening.
1246
01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:42,655
I believe that he's also supposed
to say that he is watching,
1247
01:42:42,781 --> 01:42:45,450
he's supposed to be watching
the video but not seen.
1248
01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:47,410
Can he confirm that?
1249
01:42:48,703 --> 01:42:53,125
I can confirm that, I saw...
I've seen everything.
1250
01:42:53,458 --> 01:42:57,754
Okay, that's important, and thank you
for raising that, Mr. Price.
1251
01:42:58,005 --> 01:43:02,050
All right, the first person who will speak
today is Tiffinee Scott.
1252
01:43:05,387 --> 01:43:10,767
Richard. David. Theresa.
1253
01:43:11,226 --> 01:43:12,519
We have never met,
1254
01:43:12,895 --> 01:43:17,482
but I feel like I already have a
relationship with you due to OxyContin.
1255
01:43:18,483 --> 01:43:21,611
Have you ever provided
Narcan to one of your children?
1256
01:43:21,862 --> 01:43:24,572
Have you revived one of
your children from an overdose?
1257
01:43:24,823 --> 01:43:25,657
I have.
1258
01:43:25,866 --> 01:43:28,326
There are no words
to describe my pain.
1259
01:43:28,493 --> 01:43:32,664
In May of 2020, she was found
unresponsive, lifeless...
1260
01:43:32,915 --> 01:43:36,376
lifeless in bed by me,
her mother.
1261
01:43:36,793 --> 01:43:40,463
The deceit and horror you all caused,
shame on you.
1262
01:43:40,923 --> 01:43:44,092
I remember the day Trent told me
he was addicted to OxyContin.
1263
01:43:44,342 --> 01:43:47,012
He called me from the campus
of the University of Alabama.
1264
01:43:47,262 --> 01:43:49,806
I could tell in his voice,
there was great fear.
1265
01:43:50,057 --> 01:43:53,768
I drove the three hours, he met me
in tears, we wept together.
1266
01:43:54,061 --> 01:43:58,023
"Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy.
Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die."
1267
01:43:58,273 --> 01:44:00,150
- And he did.
- This is so hard.
1268
01:44:00,317 --> 01:44:05,155
I encountered opioids for the first time
shortly after you launched OxyContin.
1269
01:44:05,405 --> 01:44:09,910
And I am one of the living survivors
of your monumental greed.
1270
01:44:10,368 --> 01:44:12,120
I hope that every face,
1271
01:44:12,370 --> 01:44:17,084
every single victim's face
haunts your every waking moment...
1272
01:44:17,334 --> 01:44:19,878
- It won't.
- ...and your sleeping ones, too.
1273
01:44:20,170 --> 01:44:21,254
Thank you.
1274
01:44:21,546 --> 01:44:24,424
The next person to speak
is Nan Goldin.
1275
01:44:24,925 --> 01:44:28,553
It's nice to finally see
the Sacklers, face-to-face.
1276
01:44:29,012 --> 01:44:33,766
The Sacklers' so-called apology,
which was mandated by this settlement,
1277
01:44:34,059 --> 01:44:37,687
is insulting to all of us
who have been damaged by them.
1278
01:44:38,105 --> 01:44:43,735
One family is largely responsible
for the onset of this crisis
1279
01:44:44,027 --> 01:44:48,073
that has led to the deaths
of over half a million Americans,
1280
01:44:48,656 --> 01:44:52,535
and caused irreparable damage
for generations to come.
1281
01:44:53,036 --> 01:44:58,000
Yet their settlement grants them immunity,
not just for themselves,
1282
01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:01,211
but for generations
of Sacklers to come.
1283
01:45:01,753 --> 01:45:04,797
Purdue has been found guilty
of federal crimes,
1284
01:45:05,048 --> 01:45:08,135
but its private owners
have never been prosecuted.
1285
01:45:08,385 --> 01:45:12,597
We hope the Justice Department
will pursue criminal charges.
1286
01:45:12,847 --> 01:45:13,765
Thank you.
1287
01:45:15,475 --> 01:45:16,977
Okay, thank you.
1288
01:45:26,319 --> 01:45:28,405
They're already on the way,
they've already been dispatched.
1289
01:45:28,655 --> 01:45:29,822
Has he taken anything?
1290
01:45:30,073 --> 01:45:32,450
I just don't know.
He has in the past.
1291
01:45:36,204 --> 01:45:37,455
Oh, my God.
1292
01:45:40,917 --> 01:45:43,420
- You said he's 20 years old?
- Yes.
1293
01:45:43,670 --> 01:45:45,505
- What's his name?
- Pardon me?
1294
01:45:45,755 --> 01:45:48,133
- What's his name?
- Bryan...
1295
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,469
- We're on the way, okay?
- Thank you, sir.
1296
01:45:53,555 --> 01:45:56,224
4,804 days.
1297
01:45:56,474 --> 01:45:58,518
Richard, if you're still listening,
1298
01:45:58,768 --> 01:46:02,689
that's how many days
since I made that horrifying call.
1299
01:46:02,981 --> 01:46:04,941
I have lived with
the pain and heartache
1300
01:46:05,192 --> 01:46:10,405
as a result of the loss of my only child,
a pain you will never understand.
1301
01:46:10,655 --> 01:46:14,909
I can only echo
the pain and suffering
1302
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:20,207
that Kristy feels and that all of us
that are here today feel.
1303
01:46:21,291 --> 01:46:26,254
I want to point out to the Sacklers that
by the time this two-hour hearing is over,
1304
01:46:26,421 --> 01:46:31,093
you can add 16 more people
to your death list.
1305
01:46:45,773 --> 01:46:51,529
I asked my father for records
from the hospitals she'd been in.
1306
01:46:53,698 --> 01:46:57,619
And he gave them to me
without reading them himself.
1307
01:47:03,625 --> 01:47:05,877
So this box came...
1308
01:47:06,128 --> 01:47:10,340
"The Box," I think of it as,
with the primary documents.
1309
01:47:15,928 --> 01:47:22,269
There was the history of Barbara for me
to read and I was terrified.
1310
01:47:22,894 --> 01:47:25,813
I wanted to know,
but I didn't want to know.
1311
01:47:37,534 --> 01:47:42,997
I didn't understand that the first place
she was sent was actually an orphanage.
1312
01:47:46,959 --> 01:47:50,630
And then she burned down
the curtains and ran away.
1313
01:47:53,591 --> 01:47:57,053
She's described as a
"rebellious adolescent."
1314
01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:11,651
It says in the interviews
that the psychiatrist thought that
1315
01:48:11,901 --> 01:48:15,447
Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital,
not Miss Goldin.
1316
01:48:15,697 --> 01:48:19,326
And that's actually written
in the hospital record.
1317
01:48:25,748 --> 01:48:31,421
My mother had been sexually abused
for years by a family member.
1318
01:48:34,216 --> 01:48:39,137
And when my sister hit puberty,
my mother couldn't cope with it.
1319
01:48:46,894 --> 01:48:50,898
My sister didn't have any outlet.
She didn't have any context.
1320
01:48:51,149 --> 01:48:53,235
It was not mental illness.
1321
01:49:00,116 --> 01:49:03,870
I just knew how hard it was
for her to be alive.
1322
01:49:07,249 --> 01:49:09,709
She wanted a home so badly.
1323
01:49:11,461 --> 01:49:16,174
If she had found people,
if she'd been loved,
1324
01:49:17,425 --> 01:49:19,552
she would have survived.
1325
01:49:46,538 --> 01:49:49,249
Persons in the area told police
they had seen Miss Goldin
1326
01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:50,667
a short time before
1327
01:49:50,875 --> 01:49:53,920
when she asked when
the next train was due to pass.
1328
01:49:54,170 --> 01:49:58,716
Shortly before 5:30 p.m., persons said,
Miss Goldin put her pocketbook
1329
01:49:58,966 --> 01:50:03,012
on the ground next to the tracks,
then lay down across the tracks
1330
01:50:03,263 --> 01:50:05,848
as the Capitol Limited approached.
1331
01:50:06,098 --> 01:50:10,853
The train's engineer told police
they saw her and nailed the brakes,
1332
01:50:11,103 --> 01:50:13,690
but were unable to stop the train.
1333
01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:18,027
Pathological examiner
ruled her death as a suicide.
1334
01:50:18,278 --> 01:50:24,158
Other significant conditions contributing
to death: severe mental depression.
1335
01:50:36,838 --> 01:50:40,132
I mean, that's the problem,
you grow up being told,
1336
01:50:40,383 --> 01:50:43,094
"That didn't happen.
You didn't see that.
1337
01:50:43,345 --> 01:50:47,056
"You didn't hear that."
And what do you do?
1338
01:50:47,307 --> 01:50:50,477
How do you believe yourself?
How do you trust yourself?
1339
01:50:50,685 --> 01:50:53,355
How do you continue
to trust yourself?
1340
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:56,358
And then how do you
show the world
1341
01:50:56,524 --> 01:51:00,612
that you did experience that,
that you did hear that?
1342
01:51:00,862 --> 01:51:04,073
So that's the reason
I take pictures.
1343
01:51:13,708 --> 01:51:16,711
- Nan, what are you...?
- Beautiful, you look beautiful.
1344
01:51:16,961 --> 01:51:19,130
- Nan, does that have sound?
- Yeah.
1345
01:51:19,381 --> 01:51:20,548
Oh, my dear!
1346
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:22,509
Let's go, honey.
1347
01:51:27,054 --> 01:51:30,141
My mom's a dance fanatic.
1348
01:51:32,352 --> 01:51:35,438
And she's gonna teach
her old husband how to move it.
1349
01:51:36,314 --> 01:51:38,274
I like to do this...
1350
01:51:39,359 --> 01:51:42,028
- Go, Mom!
- Go for it.
1351
01:51:48,284 --> 01:51:51,996
My father and mother
were not equipped to be parents.
1352
01:51:54,081 --> 01:51:57,794
They had children
because it was expected,
1353
01:51:58,044 --> 01:52:01,589
more than it was about
nurturing other human beings.
1354
01:52:03,675 --> 01:52:05,259
That looks good!
1355
01:52:10,014 --> 01:52:13,309
- Yeah, but hold it up more.
- Is that high enough?
1356
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:15,645
- Yeah, that's beautiful.
- You can see it?
1357
01:52:15,895 --> 01:52:19,691
Barbara loved Nan very much.
They were very, very close.
1358
01:52:23,152 --> 01:52:28,991
When she died, she had in her pocketbook
a very beautiful, small book of Psalms.
1359
01:52:30,076 --> 01:52:32,829
And she had this
wonderful quotation from...
1360
01:52:33,162 --> 01:52:36,290
- Conrad...
- The Heart of Darkness.
1361
01:52:36,791 --> 01:52:41,796
Joseph Conrad. She was also,
like Nan, a very wide reader.
1362
01:52:43,005 --> 01:52:49,512
And I have the quotation upstairs,
but it had in it something about...
1363
01:52:57,186 --> 01:52:58,354
- Can you stop?
- Yeah...
1364
01:52:58,605 --> 01:53:00,940
- You should get the quotation.
- Stop.
1365
01:53:01,483 --> 01:53:05,653
- Something about regrets.
- Yeah. Infinite regrets.
1366
01:53:12,326 --> 01:53:14,078
Is it on now?
1367
01:53:14,328 --> 01:53:16,706
Quotation from
Heart of Darkness...
1368
01:53:16,956 --> 01:53:19,291
And it was just written
on a piece of paper?
1369
01:53:20,376 --> 01:53:24,589
"It's a droll thing life is,
that mysterious arrangement
1370
01:53:24,839 --> 01:53:28,510
"of merciless logic
for a futile purpose.
1371
01:53:29,343 --> 01:53:33,890
"The most you can hope for
is some knowledge of yourself...
1372
01:53:44,233 --> 01:53:46,318
"that comes too late...
1373
01:53:47,654 --> 01:53:50,740
"A crop of unextinguishable regrets."
1374
01:54:13,471 --> 01:54:20,478
I think this story is an important story,
not just for me, but for society...
1375
01:54:24,106 --> 01:54:27,735
About conformity and denial.
1376
01:54:29,612 --> 01:54:31,823
And also about stigma.
1377
01:54:33,616 --> 01:54:38,329
The wrong things are kept secret
and that destroys people.
1378
01:54:41,624 --> 01:54:46,212
My sister was a victim of all that,
but she knew how to fight back.
1379
01:54:49,173 --> 01:54:54,470
Her rebellion was
the starting point for my own.
1380
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,850
She showed me the way.
1381
01:55:03,312 --> 01:55:05,898
- Let's turn off for a minute.
- Yeah.
1382
01:55:35,302 --> 01:55:36,512
Oh, wow.
1383
01:55:53,445 --> 01:55:54,405
Wow.
1384
01:56:03,205 --> 01:56:04,999
We did it, baby.
1385
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:13,507
Four years of work.
Congress didn't do anything.
1386
01:56:13,716 --> 01:56:16,010
Justice Department
hasn't done anything.
1387
01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:22,433
Bankruptcy court, you know,
completely left them better than ever.
1388
01:56:22,684 --> 01:56:27,104
You know, they're completely
vindicated by bankruptcy court.
1389
01:56:27,354 --> 01:56:31,192
And so this is the only place they're
being held accountable, the only place.
1390
01:56:31,358 --> 01:56:32,276
And we did it.
1391
01:56:38,741 --> 01:56:39,742
Wow...
1392
01:56:42,036 --> 01:56:44,163
Oh, my goodness.
What a feeling.
1393
01:56:45,790 --> 01:56:47,750
- Incredible.
- It's amazing.
1394
01:56:49,293 --> 01:56:54,632
- The Sacklers are now "private sources."
- Here, stay there.
1395
01:56:54,882 --> 01:56:57,760
It doesn't say
what private sources.
1396
01:57:00,179 --> 01:57:01,555
Beautiful!
1397
01:57:01,848 --> 01:57:04,058
- Oh, man!
- It's so good!
1398
01:57:04,642 --> 01:57:06,728
It's hard to believe.
1399
01:59:42,884 --> 01:59:45,552
♪ Unlock my love ♪
1400
01:59:46,846 --> 01:59:49,891
♪ And set me free ♪
1401
01:59:51,017 --> 01:59:53,853
♪ Come fill me up ♪
1402
01:59:55,104 --> 01:59:57,857
♪ With ecstasy ♪
1403
01:59:59,191 --> 02:00:03,279
♪ Surround my heartbeat
with your fingertips ♪
1404
02:00:03,487 --> 02:00:07,158
♪ Unbound my feet,
untie my wrists ♪
1405
02:00:07,366 --> 02:00:11,412
♪ Come in to my world
of loneliness ♪
1406
02:00:11,662 --> 02:00:13,289
♪ And wickedness ♪
1407
02:00:13,539 --> 02:00:15,416
♪ And bitterness ♪
1408
02:00:15,707 --> 02:00:18,627
♪ Unlock my love ♪
1409
02:00:48,490 --> 02:00:51,410
♪ Unsuffer me ♪
1410
02:00:52,328 --> 02:00:55,331
♪ Take away the pain ♪
1411
02:00:56,498 --> 02:00:59,710
♪ Unbruise, unbloody ♪
1412
02:01:00,586 --> 02:01:03,589
♪ Wash away the stain ♪
1413
02:01:04,756 --> 02:01:06,758
♪ Anoint my head ♪
1414
02:01:06,884 --> 02:01:08,635
♪ With your sweet kiss ♪
1415
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:10,804
♪ My joy is dead ♪
1416
02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:12,848
♪ I long for bliss ♪
1417
02:01:12,974 --> 02:01:14,892
♪ I long for knowledge ♪
1418
02:01:15,017 --> 02:01:16,852
♪ Whisper in my ear ♪
1419
02:01:17,061 --> 02:01:20,898
♪ Undo my logic, undo my fear ♪
1420
02:01:21,107 --> 02:01:25,069
♪ Unsuffer me ♪
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