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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,783 --> 00:00:18,018 I was speeding down the road on my motorbike, 2 00:00:18,085 --> 00:00:19,854 devil on horseback, way out of sight. 3 00:00:20,889 --> 00:00:22,590 Good evening, everyone. 4 00:00:22,657 --> 00:00:24,458 Tonight is the last of our series of... 5 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:32,567 Having extra spending money 6 00:00:32,634 --> 00:00:35,269 for those special occasions can sometimes be a real problem. 7 00:00:35,335 --> 00:00:37,872 But I solved it with a part-time job at Burger Chef. 8 00:00:37,939 --> 00:00:39,874 At Burger Chef, they gave me a work schedule 9 00:00:39,941 --> 00:00:41,475 to fit the hours that I could work 10 00:00:41,543 --> 00:00:43,711 and they may be able to do it for you too. 11 00:00:43,778 --> 00:00:45,547 And it's fun to work at Burger Chef! 12 00:01:37,932 --> 00:01:39,000 Hey. 13 00:01:39,067 --> 00:01:40,835 Big Shef up! 14 00:01:40,902 --> 00:01:43,170 Welcome to Burger Chef. What can I get you? 15 00:01:51,045 --> 00:01:52,814 Yeah, everybody behind the counter, 16 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,214 everything seemed normal. 17 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:56,684 Just up there laughing and joking with them and... 18 00:01:56,751 --> 00:01:59,119 I mean, just like a typical Friday night at Burger Chef. 19 00:02:05,026 --> 00:02:08,362 It was, like, 11:30 or 12:00 and I knew they'd be closing up. 20 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:11,065 I get over there to the Burger Chef and... 21 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:12,399 ...I don't see nobody. 22 00:02:23,911 --> 00:02:25,178 Hey, Mama. 23 00:02:27,081 --> 00:02:29,083 Speedway Police thought this was just four kids 24 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:30,417 who just, like, bailed 25 00:02:30,484 --> 00:02:32,086 and didn't wanna clean up after the night. 26 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:33,521 So, of course, what'd they do? 27 00:02:33,588 --> 00:02:34,989 They washed down the restaurant 28 00:02:35,056 --> 00:02:37,324 and opened it up for breakfast the next morning. 29 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:43,598 The Speedway Police, they fumbled and bumbled that case 30 00:02:43,665 --> 00:02:45,465 all the way to hell, man. 31 00:02:48,503 --> 00:02:50,772 If I had the ability of hindsight... 32 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:52,339 And would I make different decisions? 33 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:53,741 Absolutely. 34 00:02:53,808 --> 00:02:56,944 I can't do anything about what was done 40 years ago. 35 00:02:57,011 --> 00:02:59,246 Alright, bye-bye. I love you. 36 00:02:59,312 --> 00:03:00,982 Love you. 37 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:03,450 I can stay. 38 00:03:05,019 --> 00:03:07,555 The fact that no-one has been held responsible 39 00:03:07,622 --> 00:03:09,691 burns a hole right through me. 40 00:03:13,427 --> 00:03:15,563 Usually when I start having nightmares, 41 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:17,732 it's...it's getting colder 42 00:03:17,799 --> 00:03:20,300 and it's just my heart just sinks. 43 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:23,336 And...and I remember that she's gone. 44 00:03:36,517 --> 00:03:39,453 On November 17, 1978, 45 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,056 four employees of the Burger Chef restaurant 46 00:03:42,123 --> 00:03:44,125 in Speedway, Indiana were abducted. 47 00:03:44,192 --> 00:03:46,794 Two days later, on Sunday afternoon, 48 00:03:46,861 --> 00:03:50,898 a person found their bodies in rural Johnson County, Indiana, 49 00:03:50,965 --> 00:03:52,332 where they had been murdered. 50 00:03:54,301 --> 00:03:56,403 Ruth and Danny were both shot 51 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:59,272 face down, execution style. 52 00:03:59,339 --> 00:04:02,810 Jayne was stabbed twice in the chest. 53 00:04:02,877 --> 00:04:05,646 And then Mark was beaten. 54 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:08,149 The bodies of Jayne C. Friedt, 55 00:04:08,216 --> 00:04:09,282 Mark Flemmonds, 56 00:04:09,349 --> 00:04:10,918 Daniel R. Davis 57 00:04:10,985 --> 00:04:12,987 and Ruth E. Shelton 58 00:04:13,054 --> 00:04:15,489 have been discovered late this afternoon in Johnson County. 59 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:17,658 The crime still remains unsolved... 60 00:04:17,725 --> 00:04:19,794 ...just hours after closing time, 61 00:04:19,861 --> 00:04:21,863 four employees ages 16 to 20... 62 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:23,497 They were found murdered 63 00:04:23,564 --> 00:04:24,932 a few days later in Johnson County. 64 00:04:24,999 --> 00:04:26,934 No-one has been charged with the crime. 65 00:04:27,001 --> 00:04:28,268 One of the most infamous crimes 66 00:04:28,335 --> 00:04:29,369 in state history. 67 00:04:30,605 --> 00:04:34,242 Somewhere, somebody knows what happened. 68 00:05:09,811 --> 00:05:10,912 Speedway's an interesting town 69 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:12,814 because forever, it's been the home of 70 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,682 the greatest spectacle in motor racing 71 00:05:14,749 --> 00:05:16,584 since, you know, 1912. 72 00:05:16,651 --> 00:05:18,219 And that was always the claim to fame. 73 00:05:18,286 --> 00:05:20,254 The town of Speedway, named after 74 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,322 the Indianapolis 500 Motor Speedway. 75 00:05:25,392 --> 00:05:27,762 In the late 1970s, all of a sudden 76 00:05:27,829 --> 00:05:30,865 it was getting rocked by all this crime 77 00:05:30,932 --> 00:05:32,499 and all this attention that was coming to 78 00:05:32,567 --> 00:05:34,035 this sleepy little suburb. 79 00:05:41,242 --> 00:05:45,179 This was four young people who disappeared out of thin air 80 00:05:45,246 --> 00:05:48,216 and then to be found so brutally slain 81 00:05:48,282 --> 00:05:50,051 36 hours later 82 00:05:50,117 --> 00:05:51,786 just brought up all kinds of terror 83 00:05:51,853 --> 00:05:53,754 not only in the community as a whole 84 00:05:53,821 --> 00:05:56,591 but for every parent and every teenage kid out there 85 00:05:56,657 --> 00:05:58,025 who was making a few dollars 86 00:05:58,092 --> 00:06:00,061 working at a fast-food restaurant after school 87 00:06:00,127 --> 00:06:01,696 that this could happen to them. 88 00:06:02,864 --> 00:06:05,266 It is still seared into the minds of the people 89 00:06:05,333 --> 00:06:06,934 that the bogeyman's going to come get you. 90 00:06:07,001 --> 00:06:08,803 Well, in this case, the bogeyman came 91 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:10,403 and took four children away - 92 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:13,074 and 40 years later, we still don't have that solution. 93 00:06:15,977 --> 00:06:18,246 It put a lot of fear in everybody - 94 00:06:18,312 --> 00:06:19,747 the whole community, 95 00:06:19,814 --> 00:06:22,583 myself and my family. 96 00:06:24,552 --> 00:06:27,255 I am paranoid in my old age. 97 00:06:28,322 --> 00:06:30,892 Of course, my paranoia started 98 00:06:30,958 --> 00:06:32,760 at a young age 99 00:06:32,827 --> 00:06:35,263 with the Burger Chef murders. 100 00:06:36,297 --> 00:06:39,233 So I'm not a crazy old woman with guns. 101 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:42,402 I have my guns for self-protection. 102 00:06:43,638 --> 00:06:45,940 Ruger .22, long barrel. 103 00:06:46,007 --> 00:06:49,076 They are all loaded. 104 00:06:49,143 --> 00:06:51,279 This is where I sit most of the time, 105 00:06:51,345 --> 00:06:54,414 so I definitely wanna have something in reach here. 106 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:57,518 And this is my 9mm. 107 00:06:57,585 --> 00:07:01,454 This is my curly-hair tarantula. 108 00:07:01,522 --> 00:07:03,490 His name is Chewy. 109 00:07:03,557 --> 00:07:04,792 Get him! 110 00:07:05,927 --> 00:07:07,061 It was a... 111 00:07:08,763 --> 00:07:10,798 ...pretty terrifying experience. 112 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:20,708 My name's Todd McComas. 113 00:07:20,775 --> 00:07:23,443 I'm a retired detective with the Indiana State Police. 114 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:27,014 I became a detective in 1998 115 00:07:27,081 --> 00:07:30,718 and I was assigned to the Indianapolis District, 116 00:07:30,785 --> 00:07:33,354 which is where this crime happened. 117 00:07:33,421 --> 00:07:37,124 This case is probably one of the saddest things 118 00:07:37,191 --> 00:07:38,826 I've ever seen in my career. 119 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:40,227 You know, I'm a dad. 120 00:07:40,294 --> 00:07:42,863 And you can just imagine 121 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:45,666 what their parents and their family went through 122 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:47,635 when they found out that news. 123 00:08:03,317 --> 00:08:05,653 I think Ruth wanted to be 18 124 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,657 just because that 18 meant you were an adult. 125 00:08:09,724 --> 00:08:12,326 She was 30 days away from being 18 126 00:08:12,393 --> 00:08:14,328 when she was taken. 127 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:18,432 Ruth was five years older than me. 128 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:20,201 I looked up to her. 129 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:24,939 I thought she was the perfect picture of a teenager. 130 00:08:25,006 --> 00:08:27,875 And that's the last memory I have of her. 131 00:08:33,647 --> 00:08:37,852 It was only maybe four or five black kids in the whole school, 132 00:08:37,918 --> 00:08:39,920 so we kind of stuck together. 133 00:08:39,987 --> 00:08:41,422 We rode to school together, 134 00:08:41,489 --> 00:08:42,957 we walked home from school together, 135 00:08:43,024 --> 00:08:44,692 we hung out together. 136 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:47,294 So it was pretty devastating to me. 137 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:49,363 It was just rough, man. 138 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:53,768 Wait. Hold on, y'all, hold on. 139 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:55,036 Shh, shh, shh. 140 00:08:55,102 --> 00:08:56,737 You hear that? 141 00:08:58,139 --> 00:09:00,241 That's the Galaxy calling out to me. 142 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:01,475 "Mark, Mark." 143 00:09:01,542 --> 00:09:03,411 What's the Galaxy? 144 00:09:03,477 --> 00:09:05,613 It's the under-21 club across the street 145 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,782 where all of Mark's imaginary girlfriends are. 146 00:09:07,848 --> 00:09:09,417 OK, Jayne. 147 00:09:09,483 --> 00:09:10,951 Honestly, nothing good happens there, Danny. 148 00:09:11,018 --> 00:09:12,486 You're not missing anything on anything. 149 00:09:12,553 --> 00:09:14,655 - Have you been? - I've heard all about it. 150 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:16,457 Don't knock it till you try it. 151 00:09:24,365 --> 00:09:28,002 Mark and I had planned to go to the Galaxy that night 152 00:09:28,069 --> 00:09:30,771 to play some games, listen to some music. 153 00:09:30,838 --> 00:09:34,241 You know, have some fun and come on back home. 154 00:09:34,308 --> 00:09:35,676 Once Mark get off work, 155 00:09:35,743 --> 00:09:38,446 I'mma meet him and we gonna walk back home because... 156 00:09:38,513 --> 00:09:40,781 ...black kids don't walk by themself 157 00:09:40,848 --> 00:09:42,917 in Speedway at night, you know? 158 00:09:44,151 --> 00:09:46,687 I'm just walking across the parking lot. It's dark. 159 00:09:46,754 --> 00:09:48,456 I don't see nobody. 160 00:09:48,523 --> 00:09:50,357 So I do what I normally do - 161 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:52,593 I knock on the door, because they would let me in. 162 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:53,961 No answer. 163 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:57,031 Like, "Damn, I just saw y'all over here!" 164 00:09:58,099 --> 00:10:01,435 As I go towards the back of the building, 165 00:10:01,503 --> 00:10:03,437 I see the back door laying wide open. 166 00:10:03,505 --> 00:10:04,638 So I stop. 167 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:07,108 I say, "They might be trying to scare me, 168 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:08,442 "hiding behind the door." 169 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:10,478 So I'm hollering in the building. 170 00:10:10,545 --> 00:10:13,147 "Mark, Mark, Mark! Jayne!" 171 00:10:13,214 --> 00:10:14,516 Nothing. 172 00:10:14,583 --> 00:10:16,217 Quiet as a mouse in there. 173 00:10:16,283 --> 00:10:19,186 I'm like, "Shit, I'm not going in there." 174 00:10:19,253 --> 00:10:22,423 So I just turn around and walk home. 175 00:10:27,428 --> 00:10:29,196 The cops get here about half an hour after 176 00:10:29,263 --> 00:10:30,998 someone comes and notices we're gone. 177 00:10:31,065 --> 00:10:32,466 The safe is open. 178 00:10:32,534 --> 00:10:36,170 $500 in notes are missing but not the coins. 179 00:10:36,237 --> 00:10:38,139 Our jackets are gone from the coat rack 180 00:10:38,205 --> 00:10:41,242 but my purse and Ruth's purse are still here. 181 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:44,712 The cash drawers are on the floor and the back door is open. 182 00:10:44,778 --> 00:10:46,080 A crime scene, right? 183 00:10:46,147 --> 00:10:47,681 Not so fast. 184 00:10:48,983 --> 00:10:50,384 The Speedway Police Department 185 00:10:50,451 --> 00:10:52,587 immediately dismissed this as 186 00:10:52,653 --> 00:10:54,556 "Ah, they're just being teenagers. 187 00:10:54,623 --> 00:10:56,423 "They probably went out to that under-21 club, 188 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:58,092 "having a good time. 189 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:00,761 "They'll be back. Why don't you go and shut the doors, lock up? 190 00:11:00,828 --> 00:11:03,864 "And you can open for business tomorrow." 191 00:11:07,067 --> 00:11:08,235 A couple days later, 192 00:11:08,302 --> 00:11:10,838 after they find our bodies in the woods, 193 00:11:10,905 --> 00:11:14,543 the police come back and re-stage the crime scene. 194 00:11:14,609 --> 00:11:16,944 They take photos and say they were taken 195 00:11:17,011 --> 00:11:18,547 on the night we disappeared. 196 00:11:19,648 --> 00:11:22,049 I don't know if I'd characterise it as re-staging. 197 00:11:22,116 --> 00:11:25,119 I know that there was an attempt to pass off photographs 198 00:11:25,186 --> 00:11:27,656 as if they were actual crime-scene photos. 199 00:11:29,591 --> 00:11:32,426 I worked the Burger Chef case for the... 200 00:11:32,493 --> 00:11:35,630 ...better part of 21 years - 201 00:11:35,696 --> 00:11:40,267 continuously from 1981 through '86 202 00:11:40,334 --> 00:11:43,103 and then I still had my hand in it 203 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:46,608 from '86 through '99 when I retired from the department. 204 00:11:46,675 --> 00:11:49,476 It became common knowledge amongst all the investigators 205 00:11:49,544 --> 00:11:52,379 that the crime scene at the restaurant, 206 00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:55,216 the Burger Chef, wasn't... wasn't handled properly. 207 00:11:55,282 --> 00:11:57,084 Four people missing. 208 00:11:57,151 --> 00:11:58,620 An apparent robbery. 209 00:11:58,687 --> 00:12:02,122 There should have been pictures, fingerprints. 210 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:04,491 People should have been interviewed - 211 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,393 witnesses and so forth - 212 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,162 and I don't believe much was done. 213 00:12:10,632 --> 00:12:12,066 The part of this case that 214 00:12:12,132 --> 00:12:13,767 I'm probably the most familiar with 215 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:16,303 is the crime-scene photos. 216 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:17,838 When you look at Ruth, 217 00:12:17,905 --> 00:12:19,406 the first shot 218 00:12:19,473 --> 00:12:22,309 entered the side of her neck from the back 219 00:12:22,376 --> 00:12:24,245 and exited the front. 220 00:12:24,311 --> 00:12:26,113 You see that in Danny as well. 221 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:29,684 The first shots went through his trapezoid from the back 222 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:31,118 and then exited the front. 223 00:12:31,185 --> 00:12:33,655 Then the killer approaches Ruth, 224 00:12:33,722 --> 00:12:35,823 puts the gun to the back of her head 225 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:37,626 and ends it. 226 00:12:37,692 --> 00:12:39,960 And Danny literally is touching shoulders, 227 00:12:40,027 --> 00:12:41,462 he's that close to Ruth. 228 00:12:41,529 --> 00:12:45,432 Turns toward Danny sideways and puts two shots, 229 00:12:45,499 --> 00:12:49,169 one in the side of his neck and one into his jaw. 230 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:51,472 And those ended his life. 231 00:12:51,539 --> 00:12:53,107 When the shots rang out, 232 00:12:53,173 --> 00:12:55,943 Jayne and Mark bolt. 233 00:12:57,378 --> 00:12:59,380 Someone grabbed Jayne from behind, 234 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,716 reached over and stabbed her 235 00:13:01,782 --> 00:13:03,050 twice in the chest. 236 00:13:03,117 --> 00:13:04,852 And on that second blow, 237 00:13:04,918 --> 00:13:06,453 probably as they went to the ground, 238 00:13:06,521 --> 00:13:07,988 it broke off. 239 00:13:08,055 --> 00:13:10,291 They never found the handle, 240 00:13:10,357 --> 00:13:12,159 but the blade was left in her chest. 241 00:13:14,194 --> 00:13:18,032 So Mark was found at the base of a tree 242 00:13:18,098 --> 00:13:19,734 on his back, 243 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,038 and his hands were like this above his head. 244 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:25,906 And he was positioned 245 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:28,242 on a decline. 246 00:13:28,309 --> 00:13:30,578 Now, the injuries that he received 247 00:13:30,645 --> 00:13:33,881 were all through this area of his face 248 00:13:33,947 --> 00:13:35,983 and it looked to me 249 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:39,920 as if it was almost one single blow. 250 00:13:39,987 --> 00:13:42,524 He dropped right where he stood. 251 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:44,693 He choked on his own blood. 252 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:46,193 Asphyxiated. 253 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:48,996 He died from a broken nose. 254 00:13:49,063 --> 00:13:50,397 I think... 255 00:13:50,464 --> 00:13:52,767 ...Mark hit that tree. 256 00:13:54,736 --> 00:13:56,837 These aren't just victims. 257 00:13:56,904 --> 00:13:59,006 That was my sister. 258 00:13:59,973 --> 00:14:01,408 These are real people 259 00:14:01,475 --> 00:14:03,377 with real families, 260 00:14:03,444 --> 00:14:05,547 with real friends, 261 00:14:05,613 --> 00:14:07,881 that deserve justice. 262 00:14:08,916 --> 00:14:10,884 Well, I'm chasing answers. 263 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:13,120 I'm chasing answers for Theresa 264 00:14:13,187 --> 00:14:14,922 and for the family members. 265 00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:16,691 They deserve closure. 266 00:14:19,126 --> 00:14:21,061 All these theories are out there 267 00:14:21,128 --> 00:14:23,030 and at one time had validity. 268 00:14:23,097 --> 00:14:24,733 But the reason they all exist 269 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:26,735 is there was a lot of crazy shit 270 00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:29,571 going on in Indianapolis in 1978. 271 00:14:29,637 --> 00:14:32,873 And when you look at them individually, 272 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:37,111 they fell in comparison to this most famous unsolved case. 273 00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:40,648 So whenever something bad happened to anybody 274 00:14:40,715 --> 00:14:43,951 or anyone threw away a gun in somebody's yard 275 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:47,488 or anyone came home with blood on 'em around that time, 276 00:14:47,555 --> 00:14:51,058 people wanted to connect that to the Burger Chef murders. 277 00:15:14,415 --> 00:15:15,817 Hey, Mama? 278 00:15:15,884 --> 00:15:18,787 I was just wondering if I could stay back to help close. 279 00:15:20,588 --> 00:15:22,189 But they need my help here. 280 00:15:22,256 --> 00:15:23,758 Please. 281 00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:27,461 I know, I know. Um... 282 00:15:29,597 --> 00:15:31,766 Alright. 'Bye, Mama. I love you. 283 00:15:33,868 --> 00:15:35,035 I can stay. 284 00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:36,738 Right on! 285 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:44,478 I think the answer is right in our face 286 00:15:44,546 --> 00:15:46,881 and that's what burns me up the most. 287 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:50,050 There was a crew of five guys interchangeably 288 00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,319 that were robbing all the Burger Chefs 289 00:15:52,386 --> 00:15:54,889 up to three weeks before this one happened. 290 00:15:58,025 --> 00:16:01,295 I am 99.9% convinced 291 00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:03,865 that the original investigators 292 00:16:03,932 --> 00:16:05,499 had the right theory. 293 00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:07,234 The robbery crew. 294 00:16:08,202 --> 00:16:10,738 That that crew are responsible. 295 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:17,812 One of the more prominent theories - 296 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:19,480 even though robbery was pretty prominent 297 00:16:19,547 --> 00:16:21,148 in Indianapolis at the time, 298 00:16:21,215 --> 00:16:23,350 is a specific group from Johnson County. 299 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,385 It was a group of 4-5 guys - they kinda 300 00:16:25,452 --> 00:16:27,589 rotated out which ones were involved at any given time - 301 00:16:27,655 --> 00:16:30,491 that would rob Burger Chefs and Kentucky Fried Chickens. 302 00:16:30,558 --> 00:16:33,595 Had a MO similar to kind of what is theorised happened 303 00:16:33,661 --> 00:16:35,295 at the Speedway Burger Chef that night. 304 00:16:40,902 --> 00:16:44,071 I got off work at the Dunkin' Donuts early that night, 305 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:46,406 somewhere around 11:00, 306 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:48,008 and I had a little time 307 00:16:48,075 --> 00:16:50,010 before my dad was gonna come pick me up. 308 00:16:50,077 --> 00:16:52,279 So I called George to come up there. 309 00:16:52,346 --> 00:16:55,349 We dated...a year and a half? 310 00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:57,084 -Yeah. -Close to two years. 311 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,118 Right. 312 00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:01,054 Had a lot of wild and crazy times. 313 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:05,392 We were gonna smoke a joint and drink a little bit. 314 00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:08,796 We needed matches to light the joint. 315 00:17:10,097 --> 00:17:12,232 I looked over at the back of the place. 316 00:17:12,299 --> 00:17:14,468 The back door was cracked a little bit. 317 00:17:14,536 --> 00:17:16,971 And I went to the door and it was open. 318 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:18,540 Well, I went in. 319 00:17:18,606 --> 00:17:20,708 Just one person that came up 320 00:17:20,775 --> 00:17:22,409 and they gave me the pack of matches. 321 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:28,081 George Nichols was the last person to see any of them 322 00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:29,884 before they were taken. 323 00:17:31,553 --> 00:17:33,320 The robbery crew would 324 00:17:33,387 --> 00:17:35,623 park their car some distance away, 325 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:37,992 then they would approach the restaurant 326 00:17:38,058 --> 00:17:40,227 or the target location on foot. 327 00:17:41,194 --> 00:17:42,597 You know, we lit up 328 00:17:42,664 --> 00:17:44,832 and that's when them two guys came down. 329 00:17:44,899 --> 00:17:46,634 I thought they smelled it. 330 00:17:46,701 --> 00:17:48,435 That's why I... 331 00:17:48,503 --> 00:17:51,171 That's kinda what freaked me out about them. 332 00:17:51,238 --> 00:17:54,308 I remember hearing somebody clear their throat 333 00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:58,312 and when I looked up, one of 'em spoke and said, 334 00:17:58,378 --> 00:18:00,682 "You kids need to get out of here 335 00:18:00,748 --> 00:18:03,685 "because there's been a lot of vandalism going on." 336 00:18:03,751 --> 00:18:07,454 I thought we were gonna go to jail, actually, at that point. 337 00:18:07,522 --> 00:18:10,692 I went back inside to wait for my dad. 338 00:18:10,758 --> 00:18:12,426 -And you walked home. -Yeah. 339 00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:14,996 The one that did not speak 340 00:18:15,063 --> 00:18:17,164 was tall. 341 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:19,767 I'd say 6' to 6'2". 342 00:18:19,834 --> 00:18:22,169 Clean-shaven. 343 00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:26,941 The other man was shorter, maybe 5'8"-ish. 344 00:18:27,008 --> 00:18:28,342 He had a beard. 345 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,011 Scruffy-looking. 346 00:18:30,078 --> 00:18:32,112 The sketches became known as 347 00:18:32,179 --> 00:18:35,550 the Clean-Shaven Man and the Bearded Man. 348 00:18:36,751 --> 00:18:38,853 And they took it a step further 349 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,121 and did the clay busts. 350 00:18:45,793 --> 00:18:47,729 Tomorrow, police are expected to release 351 00:18:47,795 --> 00:18:50,965 two three-dimensional busts of the men in the composites 352 00:18:51,032 --> 00:18:52,867 hoping this will give a better indication 353 00:18:52,934 --> 00:18:54,334 of what they look like. 354 00:18:54,401 --> 00:18:56,638 Since the two haven't come forward, 355 00:18:56,704 --> 00:19:00,108 police are more convinced than ever that these are the killers. 356 00:19:01,475 --> 00:19:05,713 Based on this young man and young woman's description, 357 00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:09,182 a couple of these members of the robbery crew. 358 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:14,522 S.W. Wilkins looks very much like the Bearded Man's composite 359 00:19:14,589 --> 00:19:16,724 and Gregg Steinke looked very much like 360 00:19:16,791 --> 00:19:18,660 the Clean-Shaven Man's composite. 361 00:19:18,726 --> 00:19:20,595 Almost eerily so. 362 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,732 S.W. Wilkins 363 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,670 did case that particular Burger Chef 364 00:19:28,736 --> 00:19:30,437 three different times 365 00:19:30,505 --> 00:19:32,840 prior to it getting robbed. 366 00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:36,044 He was a bad guy. 367 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:40,014 I mean, he committed a butt-ton of robberies, armed robberies, 368 00:19:40,081 --> 00:19:42,950 where he put people in fear for a very long time. 369 00:19:44,418 --> 00:19:46,921 These guys robbed all kinds of other places, 370 00:19:46,988 --> 00:19:48,255 including Burger Chefs, 371 00:19:48,321 --> 00:19:50,257 but no-one ever got murdered. 372 00:19:50,323 --> 00:19:52,894 So why did these four kids 373 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,530 get taken 25, 30 minutes away 374 00:19:55,596 --> 00:19:58,298 out into rural Johnson County 375 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:01,169 and executed in the woods? 376 00:20:02,637 --> 00:20:04,204 S.W. Wilkins 377 00:20:04,271 --> 00:20:07,108 worked at a railway in Avon, Indiana. 378 00:20:10,477 --> 00:20:14,749 Jayne Friedt did at one time work at that Burger Chef 379 00:20:14,816 --> 00:20:16,551 in Avon, Indiana. 380 00:20:19,887 --> 00:20:21,989 It's quite likely he went there. 381 00:20:22,056 --> 00:20:23,891 Maybe she recognised him 382 00:20:23,958 --> 00:20:26,527 and that made things turn for the worse. 383 00:20:35,302 --> 00:20:37,605 The problem here is that the entire case against these guys 384 00:20:37,672 --> 00:20:38,940 is circumstantial. 385 00:20:39,006 --> 00:20:40,575 I don't even know that guy. 386 00:20:40,641 --> 00:20:43,644 The police say the only reason he even recognised you 387 00:20:43,711 --> 00:20:45,513 is because he worked close to where you worked 388 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:47,247 and probably, maybe, might have 389 00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:49,282 got a sandwich from there from time to time. 390 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:52,120 So these guys arrive on foot. 391 00:20:52,186 --> 00:20:55,156 One of them recognises me, then what? They have to kill us all? 392 00:20:55,223 --> 00:20:56,591 And then what? 393 00:20:56,657 --> 00:20:59,259 They have to get us 30 miles away to Johnson County. 394 00:21:00,228 --> 00:21:02,496 If you're an experienced criminal 395 00:21:02,563 --> 00:21:04,665 and you're gonna have to 396 00:21:04,732 --> 00:21:06,768 take some kids against their will, 397 00:21:06,834 --> 00:21:10,171 you're probably gonna go to an area you're familiar with. 398 00:21:10,238 --> 00:21:11,806 Just so happens 399 00:21:11,873 --> 00:21:15,676 S.W. Wilkins and Gregg Steinke lived 400 00:21:15,743 --> 00:21:18,445 literally just within minutes 401 00:21:18,513 --> 00:21:20,380 of where those murders happened. 402 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,884 They lived in Johnson County, Indiana. 403 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:26,921 I'll tell you this - you don't find that spot by accident. 404 00:21:28,089 --> 00:21:29,456 Get the Fun Village. 405 00:21:36,097 --> 00:21:38,431 This is one of the biggest mysteries in this case. 406 00:21:39,934 --> 00:21:42,503 They take my car from the restaurant here... 407 00:21:45,606 --> 00:21:47,474 ...presumably to where they left their car 408 00:21:47,542 --> 00:21:50,211 right by the Speedway Police Station. 409 00:21:50,278 --> 00:21:52,345 That's a 25-minute walk. 410 00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,048 And either they take one person 411 00:21:54,115 --> 00:21:56,918 in my car to a waiting van and bring that van back... 412 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,555 ...or, like some people say, we all get in my car. 413 00:22:00,621 --> 00:22:04,391 So two, maybe three fully-grown men and four kids? 414 00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:06,027 You got a clown car? 415 00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:10,765 It was very common for the robbery crew 416 00:22:10,832 --> 00:22:13,433 to steal an employee's car 417 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,071 to drive back to where their getaway car was. 418 00:22:17,138 --> 00:22:20,241 And then they would leave the employee car there 419 00:22:20,308 --> 00:22:22,342 and drive off in their car. 420 00:22:23,678 --> 00:22:26,914 The mystery of it is how does her car end up over by the park 421 00:22:26,981 --> 00:22:28,616 which is just across the street 422 00:22:28,683 --> 00:22:30,585 from the Speedway Police Department? 423 00:22:30,651 --> 00:22:33,187 If you're gonna dump a car, why are you gonna dump it 424 00:22:33,254 --> 00:22:34,889 across the street from the Police Department? 425 00:22:36,290 --> 00:22:38,559 The key was in my pocket when they found me. 426 00:22:38,626 --> 00:22:41,428 The driver's side was locked. I always locked my doors. 427 00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:43,331 Passenger side was open, though. 428 00:22:44,431 --> 00:22:47,434 We do know that her keys were found in her pocket 429 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,870 at the crime scene 430 00:22:48,936 --> 00:22:51,072 when she was found dead with the others. 431 00:22:51,138 --> 00:22:52,940 So at some point, 432 00:22:53,007 --> 00:22:54,976 those keys were returned to her. 433 00:22:55,042 --> 00:22:57,879 Look, the cops' whole case on this is 434 00:22:57,945 --> 00:23:00,248 there were guys robbing restaurants in the area, 435 00:23:00,314 --> 00:23:01,816 so they must have done it. 436 00:23:01,883 --> 00:23:03,551 So where's the evidence? 437 00:23:03,618 --> 00:23:06,921 It's just frustrating that we didn't have all that. 438 00:23:06,988 --> 00:23:10,291 As far as a case, you can have all the leads, 439 00:23:10,358 --> 00:23:12,927 but if you don't have the evidence to prove it, 440 00:23:12,994 --> 00:23:15,529 you're...you're just stuck. 441 00:23:16,831 --> 00:23:18,266 Yep. 442 00:23:18,332 --> 00:23:19,399 Here we go. 443 00:24:34,141 --> 00:24:35,543 Hey, Mama. 444 00:24:35,609 --> 00:24:37,745 I've gotta stay back. We're short. 445 00:24:37,812 --> 00:24:39,580 Someone didn't come in. 446 00:24:39,647 --> 00:24:42,350 I know. OK, Mama. 447 00:24:42,416 --> 00:24:44,752 OK, thanks. 448 00:24:47,621 --> 00:24:49,223 I can stay. 449 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:50,624 Right on! 450 00:24:54,729 --> 00:24:56,998 I think we had the right person 451 00:24:57,064 --> 00:24:59,333 and I was convinced enough 452 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,069 that I felt that we had enough to proceed with prosecution 453 00:25:02,136 --> 00:25:03,604 and get a conviction 454 00:25:03,671 --> 00:25:05,373 on Don Forrester. 455 00:25:11,178 --> 00:25:12,446 You just take it easy now! 456 00:25:12,513 --> 00:25:14,615 You see this? 457 00:25:14,682 --> 00:25:16,884 That says 'Assistant Manager'. 458 00:25:16,951 --> 00:25:18,285 That means I'm your boss. 459 00:25:18,352 --> 00:25:20,187 Well, you're very good at your job, Jayne. 460 00:25:20,254 --> 00:25:22,056 Um, excuse me, Jayne. 461 00:25:22,123 --> 00:25:24,959 Just to let you know, I have to be gone by 11:30. 462 00:25:25,026 --> 00:25:26,293 I know, buddy. 463 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,462 We'll have you home in no time. 464 00:25:58,893 --> 00:26:02,496 I came into the Burger Chef investigation... 465 00:26:02,563 --> 00:26:05,499 ...um, in the mid-'80s. 466 00:26:05,566 --> 00:26:09,403 Originally we got the information from a jail snitch 467 00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:11,338 that wanted to talk to us 468 00:26:11,405 --> 00:26:13,674 about Don Forrester. 469 00:26:13,741 --> 00:26:17,478 Forrester was known to be a bad guy. 470 00:26:17,546 --> 00:26:19,814 We got a call from him here, 471 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,184 that he wanted to talk to us, and then... 472 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,653 ...said he had some things to say 473 00:26:25,719 --> 00:26:27,421 about the Burger Chef. 474 00:26:28,756 --> 00:26:30,291 He told us details 475 00:26:30,357 --> 00:26:32,093 about the murder scene 476 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,862 and who was shot and how many times 477 00:26:34,929 --> 00:26:37,298 and who was laying next to each other. 478 00:26:37,364 --> 00:26:38,699 Told us all that. 479 00:26:43,838 --> 00:26:45,439 Can you get that in? 480 00:26:45,507 --> 00:26:46,707 Yeah. 481 00:27:44,098 --> 00:27:46,734 This is the badge that Jayne left at my house 482 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,470 the day she went to work on the day that she was murdered. 483 00:27:50,905 --> 00:27:53,007 We'd get either lovey-dovey 484 00:27:53,073 --> 00:27:54,909 or talk about the day and... 485 00:27:54,975 --> 00:27:56,911 "What are we gonna do this weekend?" type thing. 486 00:27:56,977 --> 00:27:58,779 But she remarked that day, 487 00:27:58,846 --> 00:28:01,550 "No, I just wanna sit on the couch and be close and hug." 488 00:28:01,616 --> 00:28:04,852 And I said, "OK, but, you know, is something going on?" 489 00:28:04,919 --> 00:28:06,687 "No, not really." 490 00:28:06,754 --> 00:28:08,088 I let it go. 491 00:28:08,155 --> 00:28:09,356 I didn't pursue it 492 00:28:09,423 --> 00:28:12,527 'cause time was short and we had to go to work. 493 00:28:12,594 --> 00:28:15,095 And then I spoke with her later on that night 494 00:28:15,162 --> 00:28:16,730 and things had turned around. 495 00:28:16,797 --> 00:28:18,365 She was upbeat. 496 00:28:18,432 --> 00:28:20,768 Maybe she was getting off work in a couple hours or something. 497 00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:21,769 I don't know. 498 00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:23,971 But now, as I look back, 499 00:28:24,038 --> 00:28:26,407 I wonder if something wasn't going down 500 00:28:26,473 --> 00:28:28,108 that she was worried about 501 00:28:28,175 --> 00:28:30,945 but she just wanted to be secure in some way 502 00:28:31,011 --> 00:28:33,414 about just being close and holding each other. 503 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,082 Maybe she was afraid of something. 504 00:28:37,686 --> 00:28:39,453 I called her 505 00:28:39,521 --> 00:28:41,789 later on that evening 506 00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:44,792 and she said, "It's dead," 507 00:28:44,858 --> 00:28:47,861 which...those words haunt me to this day. 508 00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,114 Some of the contacts 509 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:42,983 or people that Forrester had brought up to us was... 510 00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:44,653 ...Jayne Friedt's brother. 511 00:29:44,719 --> 00:29:46,053 Jimmy... 512 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,222 I think he was in trouble a lot 513 00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:49,658 throughout his life. 514 00:29:50,692 --> 00:29:53,193 Don Forrester was aware of him and knew him. 515 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:56,230 He was an enforcer for that drug gang, 516 00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:58,232 or whatever you want to call it. 517 00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:00,735 Hello? 518 00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:03,003 -Sorry. What can I get you? -That's alright. 519 00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:04,639 Hey, could I get a Big Shef? 520 00:30:04,706 --> 00:30:06,675 Of course. That'll be... 521 00:30:06,741 --> 00:30:09,176 -Please. -Sweet. Thank you. 522 00:30:25,993 --> 00:30:27,662 Blue? That's new. 523 00:30:27,729 --> 00:30:29,496 I heard orange. 524 00:30:29,564 --> 00:30:32,066 Well, we've heard a lot of things. 525 00:30:32,132 --> 00:30:33,668 I heard orange. 526 00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:36,203 So yellow with a primer red according to one witness. 527 00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:37,605 Chevy? 528 00:30:37,672 --> 00:30:39,206 It was a Ford. 529 00:30:39,273 --> 00:30:41,375 Snub-nosed Econoline. 530 00:30:41,442 --> 00:30:43,877 One guy even said it was a board van. 531 00:32:38,058 --> 00:32:39,460 Get inside! 532 00:32:40,562 --> 00:32:41,596 No! 533 00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:47,301 I was scheduled to work the 17th. 534 00:32:47,367 --> 00:32:48,870 Mark did like me a lot. 535 00:32:48,937 --> 00:32:50,839 There was another boy working there, 536 00:32:50,905 --> 00:32:52,039 his name was Brian, 537 00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:53,908 and he had asked me out on a date. 538 00:32:53,974 --> 00:32:56,578 So I called Mark and I said, "Hey, Mark, 539 00:32:56,644 --> 00:32:58,913 "you know, Brian wants to take me out on Friday night. 540 00:32:58,979 --> 00:33:00,682 "Would you work in my place?" 541 00:33:00,748 --> 00:33:02,015 And Mark said, "Sure." 542 00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:04,985 Around 4:30, Mark called me 543 00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:07,087 and he told me that something had come up 544 00:33:07,154 --> 00:33:09,223 and he couldn't work for me. 545 00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:10,357 I said, you know what? 546 00:33:10,424 --> 00:33:12,259 Mark said that he was gonna work for me, 547 00:33:12,326 --> 00:33:13,661 so he's gonna work for me. 548 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:18,566 Now, I did try to back out of Ginger's shift 549 00:33:18,633 --> 00:33:20,100 at the last minute 550 00:33:20,167 --> 00:33:22,737 and people assumed it was 'cause 551 00:33:22,804 --> 00:33:25,072 I knew the Burger Chef was gonna get hit 552 00:33:25,138 --> 00:33:26,774 and that my brother was involved. 553 00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:31,846 I just wanted to go to the Galaxy. 554 00:33:33,948 --> 00:33:35,517 Flemmonds's 16-year-old son Mark 555 00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:38,586 was the victim now believed to have forced the kidnapping 556 00:33:38,653 --> 00:33:41,154 by immediately fighting to protect another of the victims, 557 00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,422 Jayne Friedt. 558 00:33:42,489 --> 00:33:44,358 I heard it out of her own mouth. 559 00:33:44,424 --> 00:33:45,793 She said... 560 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,028 I didn't pay too much attention. "Mark's my protection." 561 00:33:48,095 --> 00:33:50,197 Jayne Friedt said Mark was her protector? 562 00:33:50,264 --> 00:33:52,967 I heard her say it at the Burger Chef 563 00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:55,035 when I went there to get some hamburgers one time. 564 00:33:55,102 --> 00:33:56,804 What did she need protection from? 565 00:33:56,871 --> 00:33:58,540 Now, that's the point. 566 00:33:58,606 --> 00:34:00,642 I never even dreamed, you know? 567 00:34:00,708 --> 00:34:02,409 You don't think about anything like that. 568 00:34:02,476 --> 00:34:04,612 No, I didn't even think about it at the time. 569 00:34:04,679 --> 00:34:07,114 Friedt was the restaurant's assistant manager 570 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:08,716 and detectives believe she may have had 571 00:34:08,783 --> 00:34:10,484 information about a drug debt 572 00:34:10,552 --> 00:34:12,587 the assailants had gone to the restaurant to collect. 573 00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:15,489 Later that evening, 574 00:34:15,557 --> 00:34:17,424 we drove by the Burger Chef 575 00:34:17,491 --> 00:34:19,426 and realised things weren't quite right. 576 00:34:20,962 --> 00:34:23,565 It was probably around midnight. 577 00:34:23,631 --> 00:34:25,833 And we were driving by. 578 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,902 We see all the lights were on 579 00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:29,871 but Jayne's car was gone. 580 00:34:49,657 --> 00:34:51,993 Brian says, "Let's stop in and see what's going on." 581 00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:53,460 And I said, "I can't. 582 00:34:53,528 --> 00:34:56,163 "I gotta be home by midnight or my dad will freak out." 583 00:34:56,229 --> 00:34:58,298 So he dropped me off, 584 00:34:58,365 --> 00:35:00,702 and then Brian's the one that came back to Burger Chef 585 00:35:00,768 --> 00:35:03,437 and realised that the back door was open 586 00:35:03,504 --> 00:35:06,641 and went in and saw things weren't...right. 587 00:35:06,708 --> 00:35:09,209 So then Brian called the manager. 588 00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:12,212 So then the manager called the police. 589 00:35:13,615 --> 00:35:16,951 It was unusual that Jayne... the manager's car being gone 590 00:35:17,018 --> 00:35:19,152 and the lights being on in the restaurant. 591 00:35:55,455 --> 00:35:57,324 We're gonna get through this, buddy, OK? 592 00:35:58,325 --> 00:35:59,594 God is watching over us 593 00:35:59,661 --> 00:36:01,763 and he won't let anything bad happen to us. 594 00:36:03,263 --> 00:36:05,633 I spoke to my mom just before. 595 00:36:07,234 --> 00:36:08,703 I asked her if I could 596 00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:11,204 stay back and help close. 597 00:36:11,271 --> 00:36:12,740 So if something bad happens to me, Ruth... 598 00:36:12,807 --> 00:36:14,108 It's OK. It's OK. 599 00:36:14,174 --> 00:36:15,576 ...they'll think it's their fault. 600 00:36:15,643 --> 00:36:17,210 It'll be OK, Danny, you'll be back with your mama 601 00:36:17,277 --> 00:36:18,579 again in no time, OK? 602 00:36:18,646 --> 00:36:21,381 This'll all just be like a bad dream. 603 00:37:43,731 --> 00:37:46,701 We verified through his ex-wife 604 00:37:46,768 --> 00:37:48,603 that he actually did take her 605 00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:50,972 to the homicide scene 606 00:37:51,038 --> 00:37:54,341 and collect shell casings 607 00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:57,277 that was in a stream at the entrance to this road 608 00:37:57,344 --> 00:37:59,514 that goes up to where the children were murdered. 609 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,683 He did take those shell casings to their house 610 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:04,252 and flushed them down the toilet. 611 00:38:05,686 --> 00:38:09,891 What he wasn't aware of, though, that it was on a septic 612 00:38:09,957 --> 00:38:13,493 and they were still in...in that septic tank 613 00:38:13,561 --> 00:38:15,596 when we recovered them. 614 00:38:16,764 --> 00:38:18,498 Forrester's gun was a .22. 615 00:38:18,566 --> 00:38:20,433 The killer used a .38. 616 00:38:21,702 --> 00:38:23,237 He said he shoved us in the storeroom 617 00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:26,073 and at least one of us was tied up with some kind of wire, 618 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,375 but there were no ligature marks on any of us. 619 00:38:28,441 --> 00:38:29,811 What the heck is he doing, 620 00:38:29,877 --> 00:38:31,813 going back to the scene of the crime days later, 621 00:38:31,879 --> 00:38:33,214 with his wife, to collect shell casings? 622 00:38:33,281 --> 00:38:34,682 They found them in his poop tank. 623 00:38:34,749 --> 00:38:35,817 Gross! 624 00:38:35,883 --> 00:38:38,186 Look, Pendleton Prison was tough as hell 625 00:38:38,252 --> 00:38:39,587 and when he started talking to Willsey, 626 00:38:39,654 --> 00:38:41,189 they moved him up to Michigan City 627 00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:43,024 and I think he liked it there. 628 00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:46,227 So he confessed to a quadruple murder 629 00:38:46,294 --> 00:38:47,862 that could get him in the electric chair? 630 00:38:47,929 --> 00:38:49,030 Listen. 631 00:38:49,096 --> 00:38:51,265 The prosecutor had access to the confession 632 00:38:51,331 --> 00:38:53,034 but still decided not to prosecute. 633 00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:57,738 They forced me to change 634 00:38:57,805 --> 00:38:59,273 what was the truth 635 00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:01,242 and give them a lie. 636 00:39:01,309 --> 00:39:03,578 If I had did that, you know, 637 00:39:03,644 --> 00:39:06,013 I would never have talked to them in the first place. 638 00:39:07,748 --> 00:39:11,185 We had a meeting with the prosecutor of Marion County 639 00:39:11,252 --> 00:39:13,554 here in the Sheriff's Department. 640 00:39:13,621 --> 00:39:17,592 We were confused why they...they didn't proceed. 641 00:39:17,658 --> 00:39:19,459 And like I said, their excuse was... 642 00:39:19,527 --> 00:39:21,229 ...or their reasoning was 643 00:39:21,295 --> 00:39:23,130 that he was already doing 99 years. 644 00:39:23,197 --> 00:39:25,933 And mine was... 645 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,102 ...I think the families 646 00:39:28,169 --> 00:39:30,037 need to know 647 00:39:30,104 --> 00:39:32,773 so they have some sort of closure. 648 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,441 And... 649 00:39:34,508 --> 00:39:36,244 ...it never happened. 650 00:39:37,945 --> 00:39:40,147 There's a reason Forrester was never convicted. 651 00:39:40,214 --> 00:39:42,917 There are too many inconsistencies to his story. 652 00:39:44,018 --> 00:39:46,888 He confessed twice and then took them back both times. 653 00:39:46,954 --> 00:39:49,123 Right. And one of the guys he named in his crew 654 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:51,424 was in jail the night this all went down. 655 00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:54,427 I heard that when he was interviewed 656 00:39:54,494 --> 00:39:55,930 by Marion County cops, 657 00:39:55,997 --> 00:39:57,565 they put him in the war room 658 00:39:57,632 --> 00:39:59,166 where all of the crime scene photos 659 00:39:59,233 --> 00:40:00,902 and evidence were on the wall. 660 00:40:00,968 --> 00:40:02,303 He could see it all. 661 00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:04,372 It was poorly done. 662 00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:07,608 I'll just give you an example. 663 00:40:07,675 --> 00:40:10,344 "You witnessed this stabbing take place?" "Yes." 664 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:14,248 "How many times was the person stabbed?" "Once." 665 00:40:14,315 --> 00:40:16,317 "Well, who stabbed her the second time?" 666 00:40:16,384 --> 00:40:18,519 You know, it's pretty leading. 667 00:40:18,586 --> 00:40:21,088 And by that time, I thought he'd been fed 668 00:40:21,155 --> 00:40:23,190 a big part of this case anyway. 669 00:40:23,257 --> 00:40:24,859 I'd sit right here today and tell you 670 00:40:24,926 --> 00:40:26,661 Donald Forrester could have killed those kids. 671 00:40:26,727 --> 00:40:28,162 He was that kind of person. 672 00:40:28,229 --> 00:40:30,331 He was a coward. He was a liar. 673 00:40:30,398 --> 00:40:31,999 I'm not saying he didn't do it. 674 00:40:32,066 --> 00:40:34,535 I'm saying he never said anything credible. 675 00:41:03,531 --> 00:41:05,833 Hey, Mama. 676 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,836 I've gotta stay back to help close. Is that OK? 677 00:41:09,904 --> 00:41:11,505 Alright. 678 00:41:11,572 --> 00:41:13,107 I love you. Bye-bye. 679 00:41:15,276 --> 00:41:16,544 I can stay. 680 00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:18,312 Right on! 681 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,235 Welcome to Burger Chef. What can I get you? 682 00:41:41,302 --> 00:41:43,738 More, more, more, America! 683 00:41:43,804 --> 00:41:45,573 The number one taste you love. 684 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:48,876 Serving up juicy, terrific burgers, hot and delicious 685 00:41:48,943 --> 00:41:51,412 with an icy soda and crispy fries. 686 00:41:51,479 --> 00:41:54,382 You want your Big Shef some special way? 687 00:41:54,448 --> 00:41:55,950 You'll get it with our works bar. 688 00:41:56,017 --> 00:41:58,886 Have it your way at Burger Chef. 689 00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:15,569 In order to understand 690 00:42:15,636 --> 00:42:17,805 why the Burger Chef murders so shook the town of Speedway, 691 00:42:17,872 --> 00:42:18,939 it's necessary to understand 692 00:42:19,006 --> 00:42:20,641 what was going on here at the time. 693 00:42:20,708 --> 00:42:23,077 A six-day bombing spree 694 00:42:23,144 --> 00:42:26,881 rocked the town of Speedway in early September of 1978. 695 00:42:26,947 --> 00:42:29,917 It left two people seriously injured. 696 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,754 When we had the Speedway Bombing 697 00:42:33,821 --> 00:42:36,624 across the street from the Burger Chef, 698 00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:38,926 Ruth worked that night. 699 00:42:38,993 --> 00:42:40,761 We had bunk beds. 700 00:42:40,828 --> 00:42:42,463 And she came home 701 00:42:42,531 --> 00:42:46,600 and that bed shook all night long. 702 00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:49,270 She was so nervous. 703 00:42:49,336 --> 00:42:52,106 The apartments complex that we lived in at that time 704 00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:53,908 was called Big Eagle. 705 00:42:53,974 --> 00:42:56,110 Once we got to know Mark 706 00:42:56,177 --> 00:42:58,913 and we realised that we lived in the same apartments... 707 00:42:58,979 --> 00:43:01,749 We're sitting at home one night 708 00:43:01,816 --> 00:43:03,484 and, you know, we're watching the TV. 709 00:43:03,552 --> 00:43:06,821 And I'm like, "I wonder, is a bomb gonna go off tonight?" 710 00:43:06,887 --> 00:43:09,090 10 minutes later, sure as shit. 711 00:43:09,156 --> 00:43:10,424 Boom! 712 00:43:10,491 --> 00:43:13,861 Damn police Speedway cop car blew up. 713 00:43:13,928 --> 00:43:16,630 On September 6, a gym bag 714 00:43:16,697 --> 00:43:19,467 blew up in the parking lot of Speedway High School. 715 00:43:19,534 --> 00:43:22,203 Several people were hurt, including Carl DeLong, 716 00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:24,371 who had to have his leg amputated. 717 00:43:27,007 --> 00:43:28,676 There was a football game that night. 718 00:43:28,742 --> 00:43:31,312 We just walked from the parking lot to the gate 719 00:43:31,378 --> 00:43:34,415 and I heard a loud boom and I saw the flash. 720 00:43:35,416 --> 00:43:37,552 And thought, "Oh, my God, what just happened?" 721 00:43:39,186 --> 00:43:41,055 Then I heard the people screaming 722 00:43:41,122 --> 00:43:42,656 and people running around. 723 00:43:42,723 --> 00:43:46,961 It happened right in here, in this general area. 724 00:43:47,027 --> 00:43:48,462 There was a car parked, 725 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:50,164 and when that car backed out and left, 726 00:43:50,231 --> 00:43:52,133 it exposed a gym bag. 727 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,970 And a gentleman, Carl DeLong, kicked it. 728 00:43:56,036 --> 00:43:59,240 A guy I went to high school with, DeLong, 729 00:43:59,306 --> 00:44:03,043 his dad kicked the bag and blew his damn leg off. 730 00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:05,379 The victim has lost a leg 731 00:44:05,446 --> 00:44:07,381 and later, plagued by constant pain, 732 00:44:07,448 --> 00:44:08,916 committed suicide. 733 00:44:08,983 --> 00:44:11,418 His wife, she got burnt real bad. 734 00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:16,991 But I can remember just listening to people screaming 735 00:44:17,057 --> 00:44:19,026 and just...just chaos. 736 00:44:20,094 --> 00:44:21,695 This guy was going around Speedway 737 00:44:21,762 --> 00:44:23,998 just bombing the hell out of places, man. 738 00:44:27,468 --> 00:44:28,869 Jayne, 739 00:44:28,936 --> 00:44:31,172 that night, when I spoke with her, 740 00:44:31,238 --> 00:44:33,007 we talked about the bombings. 741 00:44:33,073 --> 00:44:35,342 But she said, "Yeah, one of my employees said 742 00:44:35,409 --> 00:44:37,244 "that she thought that she saw 743 00:44:37,311 --> 00:44:39,847 "Brett Kimberlin go through the drive-thru." 744 00:44:43,918 --> 00:44:46,787 Brett Kimberlin has always been in the background, 745 00:44:46,854 --> 00:44:48,889 in the periphery of the Burger Chef case. 746 00:44:48,956 --> 00:44:52,726 His crimes were so off the wall and didn't make any sense 747 00:44:52,793 --> 00:44:55,229 just like Burger Chef didn't make any sense. 748 00:44:55,296 --> 00:44:57,798 You go from Brett Kimberlin to Burger Chef - 749 00:44:57,865 --> 00:45:00,868 there were a lot of things happening on that side of town. 750 00:45:00,935 --> 00:45:02,903 Brett Kimberlin... 751 00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:06,575 Brett Kimberlin is who I think is behind all... 752 00:45:06,641 --> 00:45:09,544 If it's drug related, it's Brett Kimberlin. 753 00:45:09,611 --> 00:45:11,779 Authorities speculate the bombings were 754 00:45:11,845 --> 00:45:14,649 to distract them from investigating a murder. 755 00:45:14,715 --> 00:45:16,651 The victim, a Speedway grandmother 756 00:45:16,717 --> 00:45:18,252 who reportedly had threatened 757 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,555 to blow the whistle on Kimberlin's drug dealing. 758 00:45:20,622 --> 00:45:23,257 In late July of 1978, 759 00:45:23,324 --> 00:45:25,392 a man came to see a woman named Julia Scyphers 760 00:45:25,459 --> 00:45:27,094 about an item at her garage sale. 761 00:45:27,161 --> 00:45:29,564 The elderly woman was shot in the head and killed. 762 00:45:30,532 --> 00:45:33,100 Julia Scyphers was the mother 763 00:45:33,167 --> 00:45:37,572 of a girl that was dating Brett Kimberlin 764 00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:41,108 and she didn't like the relationship 765 00:45:41,175 --> 00:45:42,644 and she was wanting her daughter 766 00:45:42,711 --> 00:45:44,579 to break up with Brett Kimberlin. 767 00:45:44,646 --> 00:45:48,315 And Brett Kimberlin didn't like that. 768 00:45:48,382 --> 00:45:50,284 And... 769 00:45:52,186 --> 00:45:56,156 I don't know this for sure, but I think that Brett Kimberlin 770 00:45:56,223 --> 00:45:59,561 had Bill Bowman kill Julia Scyphers. 771 00:46:00,662 --> 00:46:02,396 Her husband witnessed it... 772 00:46:03,864 --> 00:46:07,234 ...but he died before anything could be taken to trial. 773 00:46:08,536 --> 00:46:10,605 I think he's evil. 774 00:46:12,172 --> 00:46:14,308 Yeah. He has no conscience. 775 00:46:16,343 --> 00:46:17,411 Um... 776 00:46:20,214 --> 00:46:22,216 But I think even monsters still feel, 777 00:46:22,283 --> 00:46:24,485 and I don't think he even has any feelings. 778 00:46:25,553 --> 00:46:29,356 If there's anybody to be scared of, it's Brett Kimberlin. 779 00:46:29,423 --> 00:46:31,392 Even today. 780 00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:33,762 Hi, guys. 781 00:46:37,766 --> 00:46:39,668 That's alright. I got him. 782 00:46:42,604 --> 00:46:44,405 Didn't expect that one. 783 00:46:45,406 --> 00:46:47,241 Oh, look, there's Ozzie. 784 00:46:47,308 --> 00:46:48,677 Ozzie the pig. 785 00:46:48,743 --> 00:46:50,477 So we have 13 animals. 786 00:46:50,545 --> 00:46:54,415 We have three dogs, four cats, a guinea pig. 787 00:46:54,481 --> 00:46:56,718 We have a chinchilla, 788 00:46:56,785 --> 00:46:58,385 two hamsters, 789 00:46:58,452 --> 00:47:00,689 a Russian tortoise. 790 00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:04,925 We had two pigeons. They both died. It was heartbreaking. 791 00:47:04,992 --> 00:47:07,161 We now have them on the mantle in there. 792 00:47:07,227 --> 00:47:10,197 Uh, we had them cremated. 793 00:47:10,264 --> 00:47:12,866 And we also had another cat named Rascal 794 00:47:12,933 --> 00:47:15,537 and the damn mail truck ran over him a few months ago. 795 00:47:15,603 --> 00:47:17,371 Broke my kid's heart. 796 00:47:17,438 --> 00:47:19,373 Um... 797 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,843 So I think that's the extent of our, um... 798 00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:26,046 ...our menagerie here. 799 00:47:29,016 --> 00:47:30,552 Yesterday, as Brett Kimberlin headed 800 00:47:30,618 --> 00:47:33,420 back to the Marion County Jail, surrounded by newspeople, 801 00:47:33,487 --> 00:47:35,389 he claimed innocence of the Speedway Bombings 802 00:47:35,456 --> 00:47:36,857 and promised an appeal. 803 00:47:36,924 --> 00:47:40,628 I was in prison for 14 or 15 years 804 00:47:40,695 --> 00:47:44,198 over the bombing case. 805 00:47:44,264 --> 00:47:47,401 I had absolutely nothing to do with the Speedway Bombings. 806 00:47:47,468 --> 00:47:49,403 I did not commit them. I did not build them. 807 00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:52,272 I did not manufacture them. I did not detonate them. 808 00:47:52,339 --> 00:47:54,576 I had absolutely nothing to do with 809 00:47:54,642 --> 00:47:56,076 the death of Julia Scyphers. 810 00:47:56,143 --> 00:47:59,748 I had nothing to do with the Burger Chef murders at all. 811 00:47:59,814 --> 00:48:01,248 I did not know those people. 812 00:48:01,315 --> 00:48:03,818 I'd never been to that Burger Chef at all. 813 00:48:03,884 --> 00:48:06,954 That's...that's just flat-out fact. 814 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,923 It was police putting this garbage, 815 00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:11,959 lies, false narrative, 816 00:48:12,025 --> 00:48:13,828 'fake news' as they call it nowadays, 817 00:48:13,894 --> 00:48:16,664 into...into the media. 818 00:48:16,731 --> 00:48:18,966 And they had my pictures 819 00:48:19,032 --> 00:48:21,235 with stories involving 820 00:48:21,301 --> 00:48:23,103 the Burger Chef murders 821 00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:25,807 and somehow saying that I was involved. 822 00:48:25,874 --> 00:48:27,107 It was like 'Twilight Zone'. 823 00:48:27,174 --> 00:48:28,843 I mean, really, this was 'The Twilight Zone'. 824 00:48:33,147 --> 00:48:36,183 Brett Kimberlin was kind of a bogeyman in Speedway. 825 00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:38,952 Bunch of folks think it was him who killed us. 826 00:48:39,019 --> 00:48:42,189 He's a dead ringer for the sketch of the Clean-Shaven Man. 827 00:48:45,593 --> 00:48:49,096 But there are some problems with this theory. 828 00:48:50,732 --> 00:48:53,467 It was the '70s and a lot of people were smoking pot. 829 00:48:53,535 --> 00:48:59,006 And there was a large market, so I started selling pot. 830 00:48:59,072 --> 00:49:01,041 I didn't have any issues with... 831 00:49:01,108 --> 00:49:03,545 ...really with customers or with... 832 00:49:03,611 --> 00:49:05,713 ...police or anything 833 00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:07,515 until this whole thing... 834 00:49:07,582 --> 00:49:09,851 ...you know, crashed down on me. 835 00:49:09,918 --> 00:49:13,053 But I supposedly became a suspect in the bombings 836 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,055 and got arrested. 837 00:49:15,122 --> 00:49:17,324 I never got out after that. 838 00:49:17,391 --> 00:49:19,460 And gave me 50 years. 839 00:49:19,527 --> 00:49:22,029 He was shipping tonnes of marijuana 840 00:49:22,095 --> 00:49:24,031 across international borders. 841 00:49:24,097 --> 00:49:27,000 So why the heck would he deal dime bags to kids? 842 00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:31,873 The fact that they never solved the Burger Chef murders... 843 00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:33,708 I'm just floored 844 00:49:33,775 --> 00:49:37,311 that four beautiful kids could be killed 845 00:49:37,377 --> 00:49:41,148 and no-one would be held responsible. 846 00:49:42,249 --> 00:49:46,320 You know, he wasn't even in the gosh-darn papers at this point. 847 00:49:46,386 --> 00:49:48,188 So, how did I recognise him? 848 00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,758 And besides, what was his motive? 849 00:50:12,981 --> 00:50:14,582 I try to force myself 850 00:50:14,649 --> 00:50:19,687 not to think about how she died. 851 00:50:19,754 --> 00:50:21,255 But a lot of times, you know, 852 00:50:21,321 --> 00:50:23,758 I just can't seem to get it out of my head that, 853 00:50:23,825 --> 00:50:27,060 you know, she was... laying there, 854 00:50:27,127 --> 00:50:31,398 told to...to lay face down, and she did. 855 00:50:31,465 --> 00:50:33,467 And what was going through her head? 856 00:50:33,535 --> 00:50:34,903 What was she thinking? 857 00:50:34,969 --> 00:50:38,305 Had they said, "You just lay down here, 858 00:50:38,372 --> 00:50:40,240 "there's a house over there 859 00:50:40,307 --> 00:50:43,110 "that you can run to, but you've gotta count to a hundred"? 860 00:50:43,176 --> 00:50:45,279 Or what? 861 00:50:45,345 --> 00:50:49,951 Did she believe that she was going to be allowed 862 00:50:50,018 --> 00:50:54,488 to go somewhere, but they wanted to get away first? 863 00:50:54,556 --> 00:50:56,156 And I just... 864 00:50:57,391 --> 00:51:01,094 That's basically my... my nightmares. 865 00:51:01,161 --> 00:51:03,163 I don't ever... 866 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,234 You know, 867 00:51:07,301 --> 00:51:10,404 I don't ever hear the gunshot. 868 00:51:44,772 --> 00:51:48,776 Hey, Mama, uh, can I stay and help close? 869 00:51:55,115 --> 00:51:57,417 OK. I love you, Mama. 870 00:52:00,187 --> 00:52:01,623 Uh, I can stay. 871 00:52:02,757 --> 00:52:03,825 Right on. 872 00:52:28,281 --> 00:52:31,485 The only person who ever came forward and said, 873 00:52:31,552 --> 00:52:35,823 "I was at the Burger Chef and I saw this," 874 00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:37,592 was Allen Pruitt. 875 00:52:37,659 --> 00:52:41,796 And we can prove beyond any doubt whatsoever he was there. 876 00:52:42,797 --> 00:52:45,667 In late '80, or early '81, 877 00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:48,102 we were called to the Marion County Jail. 878 00:52:48,168 --> 00:52:51,271 And a counsellor said, "Hey, 879 00:52:51,338 --> 00:52:53,675 "there's been an altercation between Allen Pruitt 880 00:52:53,741 --> 00:52:57,745 "and the brother of one of the victims from the Burger Chef, 881 00:52:57,812 --> 00:53:00,948 "James Friedt, and we think you guys 882 00:53:01,015 --> 00:53:02,884 "probably need to talk to this Allen Pruitt." 883 00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:06,888 And that's how we first became aware of him. 884 00:53:06,954 --> 00:53:11,759 He told us a kind of a rambling story 885 00:53:11,826 --> 00:53:14,428 about being at the Dunkin' Donuts 886 00:53:14,494 --> 00:53:17,532 next door to the Burger Chef that night. 887 00:53:26,140 --> 00:53:28,543 Well, I was in a cell block 888 00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:32,080 and one day I heard them announce over the intercom, 889 00:53:32,146 --> 00:53:34,716 "James Friedt," you know, "Come to the door." 890 00:53:34,782 --> 00:53:38,619 And I thought, "James Friedt," you know, I thought, 891 00:53:38,686 --> 00:53:40,988 "I wonder if that's Jayne's brother," you know? 892 00:53:41,055 --> 00:53:44,926 I kind of recognised him with that black curly hair 893 00:53:44,992 --> 00:53:46,928 and, you know, beard. 894 00:53:46,994 --> 00:53:50,965 I said, "Are you Jayne Friedt's brother?" 895 00:53:51,032 --> 00:53:53,668 "Yeah, I am. What about it?" 896 00:53:54,802 --> 00:53:58,940 I said, "Word is, I heard you got your sister 897 00:53:59,006 --> 00:54:01,943 "and them three other kids killed up at the Burger Chef." 898 00:54:02,009 --> 00:54:03,978 "Oh, what the fuck you talking about, man?" 899 00:54:04,045 --> 00:54:06,313 He goes, "Who the hell did you hear that from?" 900 00:54:06,379 --> 00:54:07,749 You know, what if it is true? 901 00:54:07,815 --> 00:54:10,118 What if he did get his sister and them kids killed? 902 00:54:10,184 --> 00:54:14,088 Because I heard back in school days he was a coke dealer. 903 00:54:14,155 --> 00:54:16,824 You know, maybe he got his sister involved 904 00:54:16,891 --> 00:54:19,660 and some shit went wrong. 905 00:54:19,727 --> 00:54:21,428 Now, what he says he saw, 906 00:54:21,495 --> 00:54:25,166 that's hard... that's difficult to prove. 907 00:54:25,233 --> 00:54:26,968 Is he telling the truth? 908 00:54:27,935 --> 00:54:30,104 Gosh, I don't...I don't know. 909 00:54:34,208 --> 00:54:35,610 David Adams stopped by, 910 00:54:35,676 --> 00:54:38,012 visited at my mom and dad's house. 911 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,148 He said, "What do you want to do tonight?" 912 00:54:40,214 --> 00:54:41,983 I said, "Hell, man, I don't know." 913 00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:43,851 "Well, let's go get some damn beer." 914 00:54:43,918 --> 00:54:45,853 David was driving in his Pinto 915 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,156 and I said, "David, I need to get something to eat." 916 00:54:48,222 --> 00:54:50,525 So we go to Dunkin' Donuts. 917 00:54:50,591 --> 00:54:53,961 His ex-girlfriend Mary Rein worked there. 918 00:54:54,028 --> 00:54:56,030 Burger Chef looked like it was already closed, 919 00:54:56,097 --> 00:54:58,633 because they had the big hamburger man out in front 920 00:54:58,699 --> 00:55:01,202 that they normally lit up all the time at night, 921 00:55:01,269 --> 00:55:02,402 it was off. 922 00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,006 Now, there were lights on in the restaurant, 923 00:55:05,072 --> 00:55:07,975 but I think a lot of places they leave lights on like that. 924 00:55:10,578 --> 00:55:12,814 I saw that goddamn van that night. 925 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,149 And I will never forget that fucking van 926 00:55:15,216 --> 00:55:17,952 because of the white wheels. 927 00:55:19,053 --> 00:55:21,022 'Cause I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking, 928 00:55:21,088 --> 00:55:23,724 "Man, you know, that looks fucking stupid." 929 00:55:23,791 --> 00:55:26,994 I mean, it just... It always stood out in my head. Always. 930 00:55:27,061 --> 00:55:29,030 They were bright white. 931 00:55:29,096 --> 00:55:32,365 I remember them wheels like it was yesterday, 932 00:55:32,432 --> 00:55:35,102 and I remember some kind of a weird window 933 00:55:35,169 --> 00:55:37,271 on the side of that van. 934 00:55:37,337 --> 00:55:40,074 You know, it was a long distance, and it was dark, 935 00:55:40,141 --> 00:55:42,844 and just the way the parking light was shining 936 00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:45,279 it looked like Jeff Reed. 937 00:55:45,345 --> 00:55:47,582 Jeff Reed, the driver of the van. 938 00:55:47,648 --> 00:55:51,185 He looked like a pro football player, just buff, big arms, 939 00:55:51,252 --> 00:55:53,855 big chest, big neck, you know, and I, 940 00:55:53,921 --> 00:55:56,123 "You know, he might be a helpful buddy to have around 941 00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:57,959 "just for, you know, protection." 942 00:55:58,025 --> 00:55:59,760 You know, if somebody tries to whoop on you. 943 00:55:59,827 --> 00:56:02,196 Well, I saw this guy with the door open 944 00:56:02,263 --> 00:56:03,698 on the passenger door, 945 00:56:03,764 --> 00:56:05,600 and I looked and I thought, 946 00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:07,902 "Damn, I know who that is." 947 00:56:07,969 --> 00:56:09,369 Tim Willoughby. 948 00:56:09,436 --> 00:56:10,705 That was him I saw 949 00:56:10,771 --> 00:56:13,574 on the passenger side of that van that night. 950 00:56:13,641 --> 00:56:15,776 Tim Willoughby, I mean, he just... 951 00:56:15,843 --> 00:56:17,712 He was strange-acting. 952 00:56:17,778 --> 00:56:19,547 I mean, if you just looked at the guy, 953 00:56:19,614 --> 00:56:21,215 you got really funny vibes. 954 00:56:26,153 --> 00:56:28,689 This is the testimony of Allen Pruitt. 955 00:56:30,324 --> 00:56:32,760 It says here that Pruitt was at the Dunkin' Donuts 956 00:56:32,827 --> 00:56:34,427 with his buddy, David Adams. 957 00:56:34,494 --> 00:56:36,130 He's drunk and he feels sick. 958 00:56:36,197 --> 00:56:38,065 So he goes outside for some air 959 00:56:38,132 --> 00:56:42,303 and says he "heard some racket next door at Burger Chef there. 960 00:56:42,370 --> 00:56:44,305 "And I walked around to the side of Dunkin' Donuts 961 00:56:44,372 --> 00:56:46,073 "to see what was going on 962 00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:48,408 "and seen the orange van sitting there." 963 00:56:50,578 --> 00:56:52,346 So this is the guy? 964 00:56:52,412 --> 00:56:55,149 If he wasn't leaning against the wall of the Dunkin' Donuts, 965 00:56:55,216 --> 00:56:56,784 he'd fall over. 966 00:56:56,851 --> 00:56:59,253 So, it says here that he named two guys - 967 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,357 Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby. 968 00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:10,364 So let me get this straight. 969 00:57:11,532 --> 00:57:15,036 Pruitt just happens to know the two guys who did this 970 00:57:15,102 --> 00:57:17,872 and just happens to be there when it all goes down? 971 00:57:21,275 --> 00:57:22,543 What's it say? 972 00:57:25,546 --> 00:57:28,983 "Jeff Reed grabbed the black boy by the back 973 00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:31,385 "and threw him toward the van..." 974 00:57:34,722 --> 00:57:36,123 "...and went down and hit his head 975 00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:37,825 "on the back corner of the van, 976 00:57:37,892 --> 00:57:40,460 "and I guess it either killed him or knocked him out. 977 00:57:40,528 --> 00:57:42,663 "Jeff picked him up, 978 00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:45,399 "put him in the back of the van." 979 00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:56,010 "Tim, Jayne and the other girl..." 980 00:57:56,978 --> 00:57:58,379 That would be me. 981 00:57:58,446 --> 00:58:01,916 "...walked to the east side of the building. 982 00:58:01,983 --> 00:58:05,252 "I seen a white Vega pull out with him driving. 983 00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:08,089 "I seen him as they pulled out of the parking lot." 984 00:58:08,155 --> 00:58:09,323 My car. 985 00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:11,092 That's my car! I... 986 00:58:21,102 --> 00:58:22,336 Look, the cops said 987 00:58:22,403 --> 00:58:24,705 Pruitt was the only one who saw what happened. 988 00:58:24,772 --> 00:58:26,941 Right, but his story's changed 989 00:58:27,008 --> 00:58:28,676 so many times over the years. 990 00:58:28,743 --> 00:58:30,378 One time he said it might have even been 991 00:58:30,444 --> 00:58:32,947 your brother Jimmy he saw, not Jeff Reed. 992 00:58:33,014 --> 00:58:35,383 Right, and what about the time he said there was another car 993 00:58:35,449 --> 00:58:37,518 and two black guys? 994 00:58:37,585 --> 00:58:39,420 So why would Pruitt lie? 995 00:58:39,487 --> 00:58:40,921 Depends who you ask. 996 00:58:40,988 --> 00:58:42,356 I heard he was a lookout. 997 00:58:42,423 --> 00:58:44,191 He was in and out of jail too. 998 00:58:44,258 --> 00:58:46,260 He passed a dang polygraph. 999 00:58:46,327 --> 00:58:49,530 OK, so this is where shit gets crazy. 1000 00:58:52,299 --> 00:58:55,136 Allen Pruitt told us, about four in the afternoon 1001 00:58:55,202 --> 00:58:56,904 he was at this Dairy Queen in Avon, 1002 00:58:56,971 --> 00:58:58,973 which was the local hangout. 1003 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,608 The van he had seen 1004 00:59:00,674 --> 00:59:02,743 at the Burger Chef the night before pulled in, 1005 00:59:02,810 --> 00:59:07,481 and that Tim Willoughby and Jeff Reed were in the van. 1006 00:59:07,548 --> 00:59:09,950 He said he got in, and in the back of the van 1007 00:59:10,017 --> 00:59:13,487 was Tim Willoughby's girlfriend, Mary Ann Higginbotham, 1008 00:59:13,554 --> 00:59:16,557 and that she was dishevelled, she appeared to be high. 1009 00:59:16,624 --> 00:59:18,159 And he says that Mary Ann 1010 00:59:18,225 --> 00:59:21,328 kept rambling on about them killing these kids, 1011 00:59:21,395 --> 00:59:23,764 and that they tried to get her to shoot one of them, 1012 00:59:23,831 --> 00:59:26,000 so she'd be as guilty as they were. 1013 00:59:26,067 --> 00:59:27,768 They ultimately got out of the van 1014 00:59:27,835 --> 00:59:29,236 and that Mary Ann told him, 1015 00:59:29,303 --> 00:59:31,272 "Run, they're gonna shoot you too." 1016 00:59:31,338 --> 00:59:33,508 And he did. He fled. 1017 00:59:33,574 --> 00:59:35,276 He said there was a gunshot. 1018 00:59:44,485 --> 00:59:46,420 It gets weirder. 1019 00:59:46,487 --> 00:59:49,590 Tim and Mary Ann couldn't have been in the van. 1020 00:59:49,657 --> 00:59:51,892 They were meant to be dead. 1021 00:59:53,528 --> 00:59:57,498 Tim Willoughby was supposedly dead at the time. 1022 00:59:57,566 --> 00:59:59,534 Common thought, because his girlfriend, 1023 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,268 Mary Ann Higginbotham, 1024 01:00:01,335 --> 01:00:03,838 had been found in Morgan County, Indiana, 1025 01:00:03,904 --> 01:00:06,307 sealed in a barrel earlier that year. 1026 01:00:07,675 --> 01:00:10,778 The common belief was that Tim was dead. 1027 01:00:10,845 --> 01:00:12,813 His body's never been found. 1028 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,551 And to date he's not reappeared. 1029 01:00:20,287 --> 01:00:24,859 They thought that he had died in June of '78, 1030 01:00:24,925 --> 01:00:27,061 right before the Burger Chef murders. 1031 01:00:30,965 --> 01:00:32,500 That's crazy, man. 1032 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,641 So, according to this, 1033 01:00:40,708 --> 01:00:42,409 they were there to collect money from me. 1034 01:00:48,482 --> 01:00:49,683 What? 1035 01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:51,553 Her brother would come up to visit 1036 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:56,824 and they would leave the restaurant and go get high. 1037 01:00:58,092 --> 01:01:01,295 Burger Chef was supposed to be a drug drop in the bathrooms. 1038 01:01:03,097 --> 01:01:04,599 I was on break 1039 01:01:04,665 --> 01:01:07,868 and I went up and I bought a hamburger for my lunch 1040 01:01:07,935 --> 01:01:10,337 and I left my wallet on the counter. 1041 01:01:10,404 --> 01:01:12,507 Went back up, it was gone. 1042 01:01:12,574 --> 01:01:15,510 Six months later, I'm cleaning the bathroom 1043 01:01:15,577 --> 01:01:19,079 and I look up and I see the ceiling tile is not straight. 1044 01:01:19,146 --> 01:01:21,849 So I climb up on the toilet to straighten it up 1045 01:01:21,916 --> 01:01:23,784 and my wallet falls out. 1046 01:01:23,851 --> 01:01:24,785 Oh. 1047 01:01:24,852 --> 01:01:26,820 Could that be the drug drop? 1048 01:01:27,922 --> 01:01:31,825 I don't know the extent of what was going on. 1049 01:01:31,892 --> 01:01:35,530 I just know that she would leave with him frequently, 1050 01:01:35,597 --> 01:01:37,798 be gone for 20, 25 minutes, 1051 01:01:37,865 --> 01:01:40,067 and come back with a whole new attitude. 1052 01:01:42,269 --> 01:01:43,837 It's ridiculous. 1053 01:01:45,439 --> 01:01:47,841 So I was some sort of drug kingpin? 1054 01:01:50,545 --> 01:01:52,446 Come on! 1055 01:01:52,514 --> 01:01:54,048 Well, what about Jimmy? 1056 01:01:55,115 --> 01:01:57,484 My brother was into some bad shit with some bad people, 1057 01:01:57,552 --> 01:01:59,320 but I can't believe he would let me die 1058 01:01:59,386 --> 01:02:01,388 because of a drug debt. 1059 01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:04,593 Jayne had a brother, Jimmy. 1060 01:02:04,659 --> 01:02:07,127 It was common knowledge where he would... 1061 01:02:07,194 --> 01:02:09,797 ...he would sell drugs. 1062 01:02:09,863 --> 01:02:12,233 Pot or maybe cocaine. 1063 01:02:12,299 --> 01:02:14,435 I hate to say black sheep, but he was. 1064 01:02:14,501 --> 01:02:16,904 Would she have done something for him? 1065 01:02:16,971 --> 01:02:19,674 Could she have got hooked up with...with Jimmy 1066 01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:23,744 and done a favour for him and sell bags of pot 1067 01:02:23,811 --> 01:02:25,279 or something through the drive-up? 1068 01:02:25,346 --> 01:02:28,382 Probably. Because she did love him. 1069 01:02:31,586 --> 01:02:35,389 My theory is that it was a drug deal... 1070 01:02:36,857 --> 01:02:38,693 ...with Jayne's brother. 1071 01:02:39,661 --> 01:02:42,029 There was another side of Jayne. 1072 01:02:42,096 --> 01:02:44,932 She didn't treat all the employees 1073 01:02:44,999 --> 01:02:47,334 very kindly all the time. 1074 01:02:47,401 --> 01:02:49,671 She could get pretty angry. 1075 01:02:49,738 --> 01:02:51,905 Pretty, um... 1076 01:02:53,841 --> 01:02:56,176 I don't know what words to say, and I really feel bad 1077 01:02:56,243 --> 01:02:58,379 about talking bad about somebody that has passed, 1078 01:02:58,445 --> 01:03:03,484 but she could get in your face and I've... 1079 01:03:03,551 --> 01:03:06,655 She pointed her finger in my face a few times. 1080 01:03:06,721 --> 01:03:10,357 At one point, she left the restaurant 1081 01:03:10,424 --> 01:03:12,059 during working hours. 1082 01:03:12,126 --> 01:03:14,895 It was night, we were closed, we were cleaning up, 1083 01:03:14,962 --> 01:03:17,298 and she was going to walk out of the restaurant 1084 01:03:17,364 --> 01:03:18,566 for a little while. 1085 01:03:18,633 --> 01:03:21,235 And she got in my face and pointed her finger. 1086 01:03:21,302 --> 01:03:24,905 "Don't you tell a soul that I'm leaving, and if you do, 1087 01:03:24,972 --> 01:03:27,341 "I will make your life a living hell when I get back." 1088 01:03:27,408 --> 01:03:29,611 What about your brother? 1089 01:03:30,911 --> 01:03:33,548 He does time for armed robbery a few years from now. 1090 01:03:33,615 --> 01:03:35,816 And the apartment building where you live 1091 01:03:35,883 --> 01:03:38,687 is basically a halfway house for every crook in Speedway. 1092 01:03:38,753 --> 01:03:39,820 Jayne, stop. 1093 01:03:39,887 --> 01:03:42,056 OK, the black guys did it. Nice. 1094 01:03:42,122 --> 01:03:43,891 When they dusted my car for prints, 1095 01:03:43,957 --> 01:03:45,459 the only one they found besides mine 1096 01:03:45,527 --> 01:03:47,361 belonged to a buddy of your brother, 1097 01:03:47,428 --> 01:03:48,763 so get off your high horse. 1098 01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:49,897 Guys! 1099 01:03:49,963 --> 01:03:51,498 I'm sorry if this offends you, 1100 01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:53,568 but we keep hearing this shit about you. 1101 01:03:53,635 --> 01:03:55,235 Is it true? 1102 01:03:55,302 --> 01:03:57,404 - Did you owe people money? - Hey! 1103 01:03:57,471 --> 01:03:59,808 This is not helping. 1104 01:04:01,609 --> 01:04:03,812 Danny's right, guys. 1105 01:04:12,953 --> 01:04:15,590 We want to believe you, Jayne, but we keep hearing shit. 1106 01:04:15,657 --> 01:04:17,458 We can't look at this whole thing 1107 01:04:17,525 --> 01:04:19,059 without looking at you too. 1108 01:04:20,294 --> 01:04:23,897 But people talk about me like I was living two goddamn lives. 1109 01:04:25,366 --> 01:04:28,302 I was just trying to work stuff out like everyone else. 1110 01:04:28,369 --> 01:04:31,372 I just wanna go home. Just like all of you. 1111 01:04:34,141 --> 01:04:37,812 I'm not just some footnote in a murder mystery. 1112 01:04:38,847 --> 01:04:41,315 Some curio for people to speculate about. 1113 01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:44,786 "Oh, I knew that girl who died at the Burger Chef," 1114 01:04:44,853 --> 01:04:46,821 or, "I took AP Bio with that dead girl." 1115 01:04:46,887 --> 01:04:48,389 I'm me! 1116 01:04:50,991 --> 01:04:53,127 I feel like that, a lot of times, 1117 01:04:53,193 --> 01:04:56,463 we hear all about the bad people's names 1118 01:04:56,531 --> 01:04:59,834 and their lives and what they were into. 1119 01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:05,139 And then we call everyone else the victim. 1120 01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:06,541 Um... 1121 01:05:08,409 --> 01:05:10,344 That's not... That's not right. 1122 01:05:10,411 --> 01:05:11,813 They weren't victims. 1123 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,983 They were my sister, Ruth, 1124 01:05:16,049 --> 01:05:18,853 her manager, Jayne, 1125 01:05:18,919 --> 01:05:21,321 Mark and Danny. 1126 01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:24,692 Nobody had 'victim' across their name tag. 1127 01:05:24,759 --> 01:05:27,595 Why are we notarising 1128 01:05:27,662 --> 01:05:30,865 the people who may have been responsible 1129 01:05:30,931 --> 01:05:34,101 and forgetting that the people that they killed 1130 01:05:34,168 --> 01:05:36,403 were real people? 1131 01:05:38,673 --> 01:05:40,708 You know, I used to wear ankle weights 1132 01:05:40,775 --> 01:05:42,276 under my pants every day 1133 01:05:42,342 --> 01:05:45,245 so I could jump higher on the basketball court. 1134 01:05:47,047 --> 01:05:49,551 I remember I'd take them off at the end of the day 1135 01:05:49,617 --> 01:05:51,820 and I felt so light it's like I could fly. 1136 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,222 Dang, I wish I felt like that right now. 1137 01:05:57,458 --> 01:05:59,627 Did it work? 1138 01:05:59,694 --> 01:06:01,995 Yeah, but I got cut from the team 1139 01:06:02,062 --> 01:06:03,798 'cause I wouldn't cut my hair. 1140 01:06:03,865 --> 01:06:05,767 Believe that? 1141 01:06:12,807 --> 01:06:14,509 There's another witness. 1142 01:06:15,476 --> 01:06:16,678 Jean Bland. 1143 01:06:19,112 --> 01:06:21,315 We were driving down Crawfordsville Road. 1144 01:06:21,381 --> 01:06:22,917 We slowed down 1145 01:06:22,983 --> 01:06:25,687 and tried to kind of see what was going on. 1146 01:06:25,753 --> 01:06:30,257 And that's when I noticed a single-file line of kids 1147 01:06:30,324 --> 01:06:33,260 walking to a van from the side door. 1148 01:06:33,327 --> 01:06:35,262 I see a man in the lead, 1149 01:06:35,329 --> 01:06:37,331 and then there was someone holding the door open 1150 01:06:37,397 --> 01:06:38,867 for them to walk out of. 1151 01:06:38,933 --> 01:06:42,704 And I told my husband and my sister-in-law, 1152 01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:44,906 "There's something strange about that." 1153 01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:46,941 The next morning we saw the news, 1154 01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:50,612 and he immediately called the Speedway Police Department. 1155 01:06:50,678 --> 01:06:52,112 Spoke to him one time. 1156 01:06:52,179 --> 01:06:54,816 From that point on, we never heard anything else. 1157 01:06:57,619 --> 01:06:59,353 Every time they had an anniversary, 1158 01:06:59,419 --> 01:07:02,456 my husband would call in again and he'd be like, 1159 01:07:02,524 --> 01:07:05,158 "We seen this. 1160 01:07:05,225 --> 01:07:07,227 "We could tell you the colour of the van, 1161 01:07:07,294 --> 01:07:08,796 "the description of the person." 1162 01:07:08,863 --> 01:07:12,901 He's like, "Why hasn't anybody talked to me? 1163 01:07:12,967 --> 01:07:14,636 "We have pertinent information 1164 01:07:14,702 --> 01:07:17,906 "that could have helped you locate these people." 1165 01:07:17,972 --> 01:07:21,709 She and her husband tried for years to talk to them, 1166 01:07:21,776 --> 01:07:23,711 but the police didn't care. 1167 01:07:29,651 --> 01:07:31,285 So it couldn't have been long 1168 01:07:31,351 --> 01:07:33,420 that they must have got them in the van, 1169 01:07:33,487 --> 01:07:37,424 he ran out and got in the van, because they caught up with us. 1170 01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:41,461 I seen the side view, his profile, 1171 01:07:41,529 --> 01:07:43,163 his hair colour. 1172 01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:45,165 It looked like he had dark sideburns, 1173 01:07:45,232 --> 01:07:46,568 which could have been a beard, 1174 01:07:46,634 --> 01:07:48,603 'cause I didn't see the front of his face. 1175 01:07:49,637 --> 01:07:52,006 But they turned right on Lynhurst, 1176 01:07:52,072 --> 01:07:55,208 disappeared into the night, and we went on home. 1177 01:07:57,745 --> 01:08:02,316 Was Tim Willoughby alive November 17, 1978? 1178 01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:03,751 I don't know. 1179 01:08:03,818 --> 01:08:07,087 I know that Allen Pruitt says that's who he saw there. 1180 01:08:08,088 --> 01:08:09,991 If he's lying about this, 1181 01:08:10,058 --> 01:08:12,694 he needs to have the courage to come up and say, 1182 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,261 "I heard some yelling over there, 1183 01:08:14,328 --> 01:08:16,731 "but I have no idea what was going on." 1184 01:08:18,265 --> 01:08:19,701 Maybe I was talking shit, 1185 01:08:19,767 --> 01:08:22,135 you know, because, you know, I was just pissing them off, 1186 01:08:22,202 --> 01:08:25,540 because all they kept doing was harassing the hell out of me. 1187 01:08:25,607 --> 01:08:27,107 And, my God, did that 1188 01:08:27,174 --> 01:08:30,511 just make my blood pressure roll right there. 1189 01:08:30,578 --> 01:08:33,648 I mean, the hell they had put me and David Adams through, 1190 01:08:33,715 --> 01:08:36,050 almost a year worth of harassment, 1191 01:08:36,116 --> 01:08:37,885 polygraph tests. 1192 01:08:37,952 --> 01:08:40,187 Because I did not like cops, OK? 1193 01:08:40,253 --> 01:08:41,656 They all acted like, 1194 01:08:41,723 --> 01:08:45,893 "Oh, we know you guys did it and we're gonna prove it." 1195 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,494 We couldn't afford lawyers, you know? 1196 01:08:47,562 --> 01:08:48,529 We were poor kids. 1197 01:08:48,596 --> 01:08:49,564 And, you know, 1198 01:08:49,631 --> 01:08:51,032 we were really getting to the point 1199 01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:52,299 where we was getting scared 1200 01:08:52,366 --> 01:08:54,167 if we said, you know, the wrong damn word, 1201 01:08:54,234 --> 01:08:56,470 you know, they're gonna use it against us. 1202 01:08:58,271 --> 01:09:02,010 I will never, to the day they put me in a grave, 1203 01:09:02,076 --> 01:09:05,079 I will never forget that frickin' van. 1204 01:09:05,145 --> 01:09:06,246 Never. 1205 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,818 If there's anything I can do to help with this case, 1206 01:09:10,885 --> 01:09:13,087 I'm here for that reason. 1207 01:09:13,153 --> 01:09:15,056 We know he was there. 1208 01:09:15,123 --> 01:09:17,391 He's the only person that ever said, 1209 01:09:17,457 --> 01:09:19,961 "I was there," that we can prove was at the restaurant. 1210 01:09:20,028 --> 01:09:22,063 If he's got some involvement beyond that, 1211 01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:27,501 I hope that, before he dies, he has enough courage to confess. 1212 01:09:30,071 --> 01:09:33,708 Somebody has carried this... this secret for 40 years, 1213 01:09:33,775 --> 01:09:36,744 and...and it's time. 1214 01:09:36,811 --> 01:09:40,515 It's time to...to unload that...that secret, that burden, 1215 01:09:40,581 --> 01:09:42,850 and give us that... 1216 01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:45,385 ...give us that piece of information that we need 1217 01:09:45,452 --> 01:09:49,389 to be able to, uh, to hold somebody accountable for this. 1218 01:10:23,558 --> 01:10:25,693 Hey, Mama, I'm just calling you to tell you 1219 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,929 that I have to stay tonight. 1220 01:10:27,995 --> 01:10:29,597 Alright. 1221 01:10:29,664 --> 01:10:31,364 OK. 1222 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,869 I love you. 1223 01:10:41,676 --> 01:10:43,077 He had called 1224 01:10:43,144 --> 01:10:45,813 'cause he wasn't supposed to work till only 10 o'clock. 1225 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,616 That's the state law, 'cause he's 16. 1226 01:10:48,683 --> 01:10:50,785 And he called us and said 1227 01:10:50,852 --> 01:10:55,288 could he work another hour or so to help her close up. 1228 01:10:55,355 --> 01:10:59,894 And we conferred, said, "Well, yeah, go ahead." 1229 01:10:59,961 --> 01:11:01,929 'Cause he said, "I want the money for Christmas. 1230 01:11:01,996 --> 01:11:03,765 "Christmas presents." 1231 01:11:05,032 --> 01:11:06,634 So you kind of blame yourself for that. 1232 01:11:06,701 --> 01:11:08,102 You know, why...why did you tell him... 1233 01:11:08,169 --> 01:11:10,538 Why didn't you tell him, "Come on home," but I didn't. 1234 01:11:10,605 --> 01:11:12,372 And we both agreed, 1235 01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,307 you know, for him to go ahead and work. 1236 01:11:15,342 --> 01:11:16,611 I can stay. 1237 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,822 This is where the rubber meets the racetrack. 1238 01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:51,205 Back in the 1970s, we went to the racetrack, 1239 01:12:51,272 --> 01:12:53,241 the track was open the whole month of May, 1240 01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:54,609 so we had a little clique 1241 01:12:54,675 --> 01:12:56,443 that we called the Riff Raff Social Club. 1242 01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:59,146 And our whole clique was race fans, 1243 01:12:59,213 --> 01:13:02,116 and basically the whole month of May, 1244 01:13:02,183 --> 01:13:04,085 pretty much partied constantly. 1245 01:13:04,151 --> 01:13:06,120 So that's what we did. 1246 01:13:06,187 --> 01:13:09,891 The parties in the Snake Pit were pretty radical. 1247 01:13:09,957 --> 01:13:13,828 I mean, it was tits and ass and beer and weed. 1248 01:13:13,895 --> 01:13:16,898 We had a lot of fun and it was different women every night, 1249 01:13:16,964 --> 01:13:18,666 different women every day, so, yeah, 1250 01:13:18,733 --> 01:13:20,668 but we...we had a... we had a good time, 1251 01:13:20,735 --> 01:13:22,837 probably more fun than we were supposed to have. 1252 01:13:22,904 --> 01:13:26,974 We called Jeff Reed the Mayor of the Snake Pit. 1253 01:13:27,041 --> 01:13:29,777 He pretty much was the enforcer. 1254 01:13:29,844 --> 01:13:31,411 If anybody had any problems, 1255 01:13:31,478 --> 01:13:34,282 well, Jeff was the one to go to to take care of the problems. 1256 01:13:34,348 --> 01:13:36,918 He was a big teddy bear that'd have your back 1257 01:13:36,984 --> 01:13:40,021 and he was a trusted friend if you were in his side. 1258 01:13:40,087 --> 01:13:42,189 You had his back, he definitely had your back. 1259 01:13:42,256 --> 01:13:43,624 He could be like the Incredible Hulk. 1260 01:13:43,691 --> 01:13:45,326 He could be real nice one minute, 1261 01:13:45,393 --> 01:13:46,894 and if you pissed him off, 1262 01:13:46,961 --> 01:13:49,429 he could be very, very mean the next, so... 1263 01:13:49,496 --> 01:13:51,966 There had been times where he had hurt people. 1264 01:13:52,033 --> 01:13:54,434 He was always bigger and badder than everybody else. 1265 01:14:10,217 --> 01:14:12,653 Yeah, that's the van, no doubt about it. 1266 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,487 The one I saw at the Burger Chef that night, 1267 01:14:14,555 --> 01:14:16,991 which I want to make this absolutely clear, OK? 1268 01:14:17,058 --> 01:14:19,060 I always said it was orange, 1269 01:14:19,126 --> 01:14:21,529 but I've learned over the years 1270 01:14:21,595 --> 01:14:25,666 when something is sitting under these parking-lot lights, 1271 01:14:25,733 --> 01:14:28,836 it puts off, like, an orange cast. 1272 01:14:28,903 --> 01:14:30,671 To me, it looked like a rust colour. 1273 01:14:30,738 --> 01:14:32,540 My husband always said it was a light colour, 1274 01:14:32,606 --> 01:14:37,311 but I remember, like, a rust-ish coloured van. 1275 01:14:38,746 --> 01:14:41,182 I think it would have taken a large vehicle. 1276 01:14:41,248 --> 01:14:43,317 It's very likely that something like a van 1277 01:14:43,384 --> 01:14:45,485 was involved in that crime. 1278 01:14:46,486 --> 01:14:51,726 Jeff had a yellow-ish Ford van back in the day that he drove. 1279 01:14:51,792 --> 01:14:54,228 Econoline. I think it was an Econoline van. 1280 01:14:54,295 --> 01:14:56,030 We used it quite often. 1281 01:14:56,097 --> 01:14:58,666 It was nice to have something you could put everybody in 1282 01:14:58,733 --> 01:15:00,334 and take it to one place. 1283 01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:09,844 If they can't even get 1284 01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:11,245 the colour of the van right, then... 1285 01:15:11,312 --> 01:15:13,347 - Wait! - What? 1286 01:15:19,787 --> 01:15:21,789 Light, dark. 1287 01:15:21,856 --> 01:15:24,792 Red, orange, yellow. 1288 01:15:24,859 --> 01:15:26,494 It's the same van. 1289 01:15:27,628 --> 01:15:29,797 They all saw the same van. 1290 01:15:29,864 --> 01:15:32,433 When it came in, it looked dark. 1291 01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:34,769 And then orange because of the light. 1292 01:15:34,835 --> 01:15:37,738 And then yellow as it catches the light 1293 01:15:37,805 --> 01:15:39,640 from the inside of the restaurant. 1294 01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:40,875 Right. 1295 01:15:42,511 --> 01:15:45,079 So in a discussion with Mark Reed 1296 01:15:45,146 --> 01:15:46,781 in regards to his brother, Jeff, 1297 01:15:46,847 --> 01:15:48,416 he does claim that he had a vehicle 1298 01:15:48,482 --> 01:15:49,984 that very closely matches that description - 1299 01:15:50,051 --> 01:15:53,054 a '70s model Ford Econoline, 1300 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,123 a yellow colour but with a red primer as well. 1301 01:15:56,190 --> 01:15:57,892 So especially under certain lights, 1302 01:15:57,958 --> 01:16:01,095 you could certainly mistake it for lots of different colours 1303 01:16:01,162 --> 01:16:02,229 in that spectrum. 1304 01:16:02,296 --> 01:16:03,798 Which makes it very interesting, 1305 01:16:03,864 --> 01:16:05,332 because Allen Pruitt mentioned a van 1306 01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,801 that was orange in colour, 1307 01:16:06,867 --> 01:16:09,737 as well as one being that kind of make and model. 1308 01:16:28,523 --> 01:16:30,458 There's supposedly footage, 1309 01:16:30,525 --> 01:16:32,893 that I don't know that any of us have seen, 1310 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,261 while a news crew 1311 01:16:34,328 --> 01:16:36,363 was filming the Burger Chef following the murders 1312 01:16:36,430 --> 01:16:39,433 where a man that fit the description of the Bearded Man 1313 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,969 was seen in an orange van 1314 01:16:42,036 --> 01:16:44,872 and then out up near the Burger Chef building. 1315 01:16:44,939 --> 01:16:46,373 And kind of as soon as he realised 1316 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:47,875 the cameras were on him, 1317 01:16:47,942 --> 01:16:49,511 kind of got skittish about being there. 1318 01:16:49,578 --> 01:16:51,045 You know, kind of claimed 1319 01:16:51,112 --> 01:16:53,614 that they really shouldn't get him on camera and took off. 1320 01:17:10,131 --> 01:17:12,032 Well, we hung out at White Castle. 1321 01:17:12,099 --> 01:17:13,501 It was like a hangout 1322 01:17:13,568 --> 01:17:15,836 for everybody in the evenings or whatever. 1323 01:17:15,903 --> 01:17:20,908 And Jeff had came up to me and he seemed a little distraught 1324 01:17:20,975 --> 01:17:24,078 and wanted to...wanted to talk. 1325 01:17:24,145 --> 01:17:25,913 So, he said there was something 1326 01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:27,549 that he really needed to talk about. 1327 01:17:27,616 --> 01:17:29,551 And I could tell by Jeff, he wasn't the type 1328 01:17:29,618 --> 01:17:32,019 that was real loose with his tongue or even, you know, 1329 01:17:32,086 --> 01:17:33,654 worried about anything. 1330 01:17:33,721 --> 01:17:35,890 So I said, "Yeah, well, we can talk." 1331 01:17:35,956 --> 01:17:38,593 We went back to my house at the time, 1332 01:17:38,659 --> 01:17:42,930 and said that he was in some trouble 1333 01:17:42,997 --> 01:17:46,901 and didn't know really quite what to do about it. 1334 01:17:46,967 --> 01:17:48,402 But I think he was more or less 1335 01:17:48,469 --> 01:17:50,337 trying to get it off his chest a little bit 1336 01:17:50,404 --> 01:17:52,373 to relieve some of the, you know, 1337 01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,408 what was going through on his mind. 1338 01:17:54,475 --> 01:17:56,410 And I don't know who else he even told. 1339 01:17:56,477 --> 01:17:58,212 I might have been the only one. 1340 01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:00,014 I'm still reluctant to tell you this now. 1341 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,283 But I think everybody that knew Jeff well enough 1342 01:18:02,349 --> 01:18:04,118 knew if you did talk, 1343 01:18:04,185 --> 01:18:07,354 then something bad would happen to you. 1344 01:18:07,421 --> 01:18:09,089 Like I said, it's been a true... 1345 01:18:09,156 --> 01:18:11,593 ...a true secret that I've held for 40 years. 1346 01:18:11,660 --> 01:18:15,362 And he said, "Well, I had... I was there that night 1347 01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:18,299 "and...I really don't know what to do." 1348 01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:21,302 So I just kind of stepped back and I didn't know what he meant. 1349 01:18:21,368 --> 01:18:22,803 I just thought maybe he was there 1350 01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:25,072 as, you know, a customer, 1351 01:18:25,139 --> 01:18:27,609 and to my disbelief, 1352 01:18:27,676 --> 01:18:30,477 he actually said that he was... 1353 01:18:30,545 --> 01:18:32,913 ...was the one that was responsible for it. 1354 01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:34,748 I think Jeff knew that... 1355 01:18:34,815 --> 01:18:37,484 ...had possibly drove by and seen her car there 1356 01:18:37,552 --> 01:18:39,086 or whatever and said, "Hey! 1357 01:18:39,153 --> 01:18:41,422 "I know this person owes some money. 1358 01:18:41,488 --> 01:18:45,092 "If I can get it, then all the better." 1359 01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:48,295 And like I said, the domino effect started, 1360 01:18:48,362 --> 01:18:51,966 and it just... it went just south real quick 1361 01:18:52,032 --> 01:18:55,936 when somebody stuck their nose into somebody else's business. 1362 01:19:02,409 --> 01:19:04,011 Hey. 1363 01:19:04,078 --> 01:19:05,246 Guys? 1364 01:19:05,312 --> 01:19:06,947 Look. 1365 01:19:08,849 --> 01:19:10,284 Jeff Reed? 1366 01:19:10,351 --> 01:19:12,886 They're all the same guy. 1367 01:19:15,489 --> 01:19:17,324 The guy Pruitt saw is the same guy 1368 01:19:17,391 --> 01:19:19,193 who confessed to his buddy, Tim Boyer. 1369 01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:21,596 You can ask me when I'm dead and gone, 1370 01:19:21,663 --> 01:19:24,599 if I get sent to hell, I will always say 1371 01:19:24,666 --> 01:19:26,967 it looked like Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby. 1372 01:19:27,034 --> 01:19:29,970 And I'll never change that. Never. 1373 01:19:30,037 --> 01:19:33,440 And the guy that Jean lady saw driving. 1374 01:19:33,508 --> 01:19:36,277 Yes, I'm certain this is the guy. 1375 01:19:36,343 --> 01:19:39,013 'Cause I have a really good memory for faces. 1376 01:19:39,079 --> 01:19:40,649 You don't forget that. 1377 01:19:40,715 --> 01:19:43,150 And the one the Dunkin' Donuts chick 1378 01:19:43,217 --> 01:19:44,785 said was behind the restaurant. 1379 01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:48,789 Now, out of these pictures... 1380 01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:53,628 ...this one is the one that resembles the Bearded Man 1381 01:19:53,695 --> 01:19:56,230 that came up to us that night. 1382 01:19:56,297 --> 01:19:58,932 I'll never forget the eyes and the nose. 1383 01:20:01,468 --> 01:20:03,738 The person in this 30-second video, 1384 01:20:03,804 --> 01:20:07,007 I cannot say with 100% certainty, 1385 01:20:07,074 --> 01:20:12,346 but he bears a striking resemblance to Jeff Reed. 1386 01:20:15,816 --> 01:20:17,351 He was never charged. 1387 01:20:28,095 --> 01:20:31,865 The person with him was a fellow named Tim Willoughby. 1388 01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:37,037 He said that he went to Burger Chef to collect a debt. 1389 01:20:39,507 --> 01:20:42,577 They owed money to Brett Kimberlin, the Speedway Bomber, 1390 01:20:42,644 --> 01:20:44,211 which was who a lot of us 1391 01:20:44,278 --> 01:20:47,047 were getting our marijuana from at the time. 1392 01:20:51,352 --> 01:20:53,187 While trying to collect the debt, 1393 01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:55,623 an individual came running at him 1394 01:20:55,690 --> 01:20:57,958 in...in a threatening way. 1395 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,543 And I guess Jeff, in his usual fashion, 1396 01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:17,077 knocked him out. 1397 01:21:28,055 --> 01:21:30,759 He thought that he might have killed him. 1398 01:21:30,825 --> 01:21:32,794 And after doing so, 1399 01:21:32,861 --> 01:21:36,430 things started going totally sideways and he didn't know... 1400 01:21:36,497 --> 01:21:38,833 Well, everybody's adrenaline would jump in 1401 01:21:38,899 --> 01:21:41,268 and just straight panic. 1402 01:21:42,302 --> 01:21:45,439 He said they took the guy and put him in the back of the van. 1403 01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:48,342 And at this point, he tried to gather his thoughts, 1404 01:21:48,409 --> 01:21:49,644 looks up, and I guess 1405 01:21:49,711 --> 01:21:52,346 there's all the people in... in the Burger Chef 1406 01:21:52,413 --> 01:21:53,981 staring out the window. 1407 01:21:54,047 --> 01:21:58,586 And so, in the frantic state he was in, 1408 01:21:58,653 --> 01:22:00,688 collects the employees. 1409 01:22:00,755 --> 01:22:02,956 He said he stuck them in the cooler or something there 1410 01:22:03,023 --> 01:22:05,159 to kind of contain them so he could get his thoughts 1411 01:22:05,225 --> 01:22:07,094 on what he was actually going to do. 1412 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:20,274 The car that was at the Burger Chef, 1413 01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:21,942 they didn't want to leave it there, 1414 01:22:22,009 --> 01:22:24,044 so he called somebody to come pick the car up 1415 01:22:24,111 --> 01:22:26,146 to get it out of sight and sell it. 1416 01:22:26,213 --> 01:22:29,283 We had some people that would chop cars, 1417 01:22:29,349 --> 01:22:31,619 but I don't think that they actually knew 1418 01:22:31,686 --> 01:22:33,855 that it was urgent. 1419 01:22:33,922 --> 01:22:37,725 And during this time, I guess he decided 1420 01:22:37,792 --> 01:22:41,395 that, from what I understand, 1421 01:22:41,462 --> 01:22:44,131 he was going to take them on a ride, 1422 01:22:44,198 --> 01:22:45,533 you know what I mean? 1423 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,869 And take them out to the woods or whatever. 1424 01:22:47,936 --> 01:22:51,739 And his initial thought was to drop them off, 1425 01:22:51,806 --> 01:22:53,842 you know what I mean, just to get away 1426 01:22:53,908 --> 01:22:55,610 and then figure out what to do afterwards. 1427 01:22:56,744 --> 01:22:58,813 And things went sideways 1428 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,482 and I don't know exactly, he didn't tell me what happened, 1429 01:23:01,549 --> 01:23:04,719 but somebody evidently tried to escape 1430 01:23:04,786 --> 01:23:07,254 or assault him or...or something, 1431 01:23:07,321 --> 01:23:11,358 and he ended up having to hurt the people. 1432 01:23:24,471 --> 01:23:27,040 I know the police said... or the reporter had said 1433 01:23:27,107 --> 01:23:29,243 that one of the individuals 1434 01:23:29,309 --> 01:23:31,679 I guess they'd thought had run into a tree 1435 01:23:31,746 --> 01:23:34,281 and killed himself, and Jeff laughed about that 1436 01:23:34,348 --> 01:23:35,917 and said, "No, it was a Louisville Slugger 1437 01:23:35,984 --> 01:23:38,553 "that he got hit with." 1438 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:51,465 On the drive back from Johnson County, 1439 01:23:51,533 --> 01:23:53,100 he drove around for a while 1440 01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:56,871 and they put the weapons in a bag 1441 01:23:56,938 --> 01:24:02,109 and dropped it in a field in Hendricks County, 1442 01:24:02,175 --> 01:24:05,312 which...the area where he said 1443 01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:07,749 would be a big retail store. 1444 01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:21,996 I've never seen the police. I never talked to the police. 1445 01:24:22,062 --> 01:24:23,463 They never questioned me. 1446 01:24:23,531 --> 01:24:26,266 From what I understand, they didn't question anybody. 1447 01:24:26,333 --> 01:24:29,971 I've kept this under my hat for 40 years. 1448 01:24:30,038 --> 01:24:31,673 I have kids now, grandkids. 1449 01:24:31,739 --> 01:24:34,509 I believe there is a time for closure 1450 01:24:34,576 --> 01:24:35,977 for the families. 1451 01:24:36,044 --> 01:24:40,447 It was just a bad... a bad day, a bad, bad scene 1452 01:24:40,515 --> 01:24:42,482 that went totally, totally, totally bad. 1453 01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,752 The number one killer of people in America 1454 01:24:44,819 --> 01:24:47,187 is meddling in people's business. 1455 01:24:48,155 --> 01:24:50,758 Like, kind of what happened there. 1456 01:27:40,862 --> 01:27:42,930 It was after 1986 1457 01:27:42,997 --> 01:27:46,500 Jeff Reed got arrested in Hendricks County. 1458 01:27:46,567 --> 01:27:48,301 I became aware of it. 1459 01:27:48,368 --> 01:27:51,606 Somebody from the jail knew that I was interested in him. 1460 01:27:51,672 --> 01:27:54,108 He didn't have any money. He didn't have any place to stay. 1461 01:27:54,175 --> 01:27:58,513 I got a voucher from a community group 1462 01:27:58,579 --> 01:28:00,882 that puts up travellers and stuff that are destitute. 1463 01:28:00,948 --> 01:28:02,517 Got him a room. 1464 01:28:02,583 --> 01:28:06,286 Picked him up the next morning and bought him breakfast. 1465 01:28:06,353 --> 01:28:09,322 I actually lied to him. I told him I was retired. 1466 01:28:09,389 --> 01:28:11,726 I said, "Hey, I just want to know the answer to this." 1467 01:28:11,793 --> 01:28:14,896 And I went through what I believed happened 1468 01:28:14,962 --> 01:28:18,699 and, you know, accused him of murder. 1469 01:28:18,766 --> 01:28:20,168 Didn't read him his rights. 1470 01:28:20,234 --> 01:28:22,003 I said, "It's gonna be between you and me. 1471 01:28:22,069 --> 01:28:23,638 "I want to know the answer is all. 1472 01:28:23,704 --> 01:28:25,405 "The only reason we're sitting here." 1473 01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:27,474 He never said one word. 1474 01:28:29,911 --> 01:28:33,881 I know if somebody was accusing me of a quadruple murder, 1475 01:28:33,948 --> 01:28:35,650 I would have had something to say. 1476 01:28:35,716 --> 01:28:37,552 He never said a word. 1477 01:28:37,618 --> 01:28:41,222 I gave him a ride to somewhere and dropped him off, 1478 01:28:41,289 --> 01:28:43,157 and I never saw him again. 1479 01:28:43,224 --> 01:28:46,326 I think we've been close. 1480 01:28:46,393 --> 01:28:50,064 We just, we don't have the evidence to prove anything, 1481 01:28:50,131 --> 01:28:53,067 and you don't have... 1482 01:28:53,134 --> 01:28:55,402 ...don't have the forensics to back things up, 1483 01:28:55,468 --> 01:28:59,173 you're just, you're...you're, uh, paddling upstream. 1484 01:29:00,308 --> 01:29:01,742 It's real frustrating. 1485 01:29:01,809 --> 01:29:05,213 But it's not near as frustrating... 1486 01:29:17,859 --> 01:29:19,359 Give me just a second. 1487 01:29:23,631 --> 01:29:26,033 The family members. 1488 01:29:27,001 --> 01:29:30,037 It's more frustrating for them not knowing. 1489 01:29:30,104 --> 01:29:32,573 It's... It's not fair. 1490 01:29:46,854 --> 01:29:48,656 These were children, 1491 01:29:48,723 --> 01:29:52,059 and you just looked at them and decided 1492 01:29:52,126 --> 01:29:55,763 that their lives didn't matter and took that away. 1493 01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:58,332 My mother used to cry about the fact 1494 01:29:58,398 --> 01:30:01,335 that they didn't just take her daughter away, 1495 01:30:01,401 --> 01:30:03,403 they took all of her grandchildren away. 1496 01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:08,843 I feel that Ruth was just an innocent person 1497 01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:12,847 that...that shouldn't have been in that situation. 1498 01:30:12,914 --> 01:30:16,817 No-one should have been in this situation. 1499 01:30:16,884 --> 01:30:19,419 She just was unlucky enough 1500 01:30:19,486 --> 01:30:22,156 to have been at work that night 1501 01:30:22,223 --> 01:30:25,927 and paid the ultimate price for it. 1502 01:30:27,528 --> 01:30:31,198 I don't know what closure feels like. It's... 1503 01:30:31,265 --> 01:30:32,833 It depends on the day. 1504 01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:36,003 You know, one day, I can be fine, 1505 01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:39,173 and then the weather's gonna change soon 1506 01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,775 and it's gonna get colder, 1507 01:30:40,841 --> 01:30:42,777 and then I'm gonna start having nightmares again. 1508 01:30:43,945 --> 01:30:45,046 And... 1509 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:47,882 So... 1510 01:30:47,949 --> 01:30:50,384 ...then there isn't closure at that time. 1511 01:30:56,424 --> 01:30:57,825 I believe... 1512 01:30:59,226 --> 01:31:01,195 ...I believe the case is solvable. 1513 01:31:01,262 --> 01:31:03,965 40 years is a long time. 1514 01:31:04,031 --> 01:31:07,335 But I do believe that it's possible 1515 01:31:07,401 --> 01:31:08,903 to hold somebody accountable. 1516 01:31:15,109 --> 01:31:16,644 OK. OK. 1517 01:31:21,582 --> 01:31:23,250 My name's Ginger Anderson. 1518 01:31:23,317 --> 01:31:25,653 I worked with your son at Burger Chef, yes. 1519 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:26,921 I just wanted to say hello. 1520 01:31:30,591 --> 01:31:33,327 Happy, friendly, loving, kind. 1521 01:31:33,394 --> 01:31:35,062 -Big-hearted. -Yeah. 1522 01:31:35,129 --> 01:31:37,665 -Well, thanks. -Always a smile on her face. 1523 01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:40,067 Wherever life took her, 1524 01:31:40,134 --> 01:31:42,536 it changed the way we lived, though, didn't it? 1525 01:31:42,603 --> 01:31:43,871 It did. 1526 01:31:43,938 --> 01:31:46,774 Changed my outlook on life some. 1527 01:31:46,841 --> 01:31:48,342 Definitely. 1528 01:31:49,443 --> 01:31:50,611 So... 1529 01:31:52,146 --> 01:31:54,615 ...something you just never forget. 1530 01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:59,787 He was very friendly, had a great heart. 1531 01:31:59,854 --> 01:32:02,156 You know, good attitude about life. 1532 01:32:03,357 --> 01:32:06,427 Once, you know, we began going to school together, 1533 01:32:06,494 --> 01:32:10,898 you really get to know a person, and that was my friend. 1534 01:32:13,634 --> 01:32:15,102 He was just a happy kid. 1535 01:32:15,169 --> 01:32:16,971 He woke up smiling. He woke up happy. 1536 01:32:17,038 --> 01:32:19,273 At night he came in from school 1537 01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:21,375 and the first thing he said was, "Hey, Ma!" 1538 01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:25,746 The other two kids were not that way. They were more sober. 1539 01:32:25,813 --> 01:32:28,282 And if you said something to them in the morning, 1540 01:32:28,349 --> 01:32:29,917 they were grumpy. 1541 01:32:29,984 --> 01:32:32,920 But he wasn't. He was just very cheerful. 1542 01:32:53,808 --> 01:32:56,477 December 19, 1977, 1543 01:32:56,545 --> 01:32:59,313 which was her 17th birthday, 1544 01:32:59,380 --> 01:33:02,616 says, "Mom and Dad got me a dress. I'm 17 now. 1545 01:33:02,683 --> 01:33:06,020 "It's hard to believe next year I'll be 18." 1546 01:33:10,357 --> 01:33:12,960 After that, my mom had written, 1547 01:33:13,027 --> 01:33:17,465 "Ruth Ellen Shelton never lived to be 18. 1548 01:33:18,899 --> 01:33:21,902 "I love you and miss you so much." 1549 01:33:27,608 --> 01:33:31,445 You're supposed to find the bad guys. 1550 01:33:31,513 --> 01:33:33,948 That's the way the movie's supposed to end. 1551 01:34:47,454 --> 01:34:49,624 -See you, guys. -'Bye. 1552 01:34:49,690 --> 01:34:50,958 'Bye, Danny. 1553 01:34:52,661 --> 01:34:53,694 Hey. 1554 01:34:57,698 --> 01:34:59,634 -How was your shift? -It was good, man. 118011

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