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I was speedingdown the road on my motorbike,
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devil on horseback,way out of sight.
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Good evening, everyone.
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Tonight is the lastof our series of...
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Having extra spending money
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for those special occasionscan sometimes bea real problem.
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But I solved it with apart-time job at Burger Chef.
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At Burger Chef,they gave me a work schedule
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to fit the hoursthat I could work
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and they may be ableto do it for you too.
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And it's fun to workat Burger Chef!
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Hey.
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Big Shef up!
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Welcome to Burger Chef.
What can I get you?
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Yeah, everybody
behind the counter,
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everything seemed normal.
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Just up there laughing
and joking with them and...
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I mean, just like a typical
Friday night at Burger Chef.
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It was, like, 11:30 or 12:00
and I knew they'd be closing up.
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I get over there to
the Burger Chef and...
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...I don't see nobody.
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Hey, Mama.
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Speedway Police thought
this was just four kids
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who just, like, bailed
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and didn't wanna clean up
after the night.
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So, of course, what'd they do?
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They washed down the restaurant
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and opened it up for breakfast
the next morning.
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The Speedway Police, they
fumbled and bumbled that case
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all the way to hell, man.
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If I had the ability
of hindsight...
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And would I make different
decisions?
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Absolutely.
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I can't do anything about
what was done 40 years ago.
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Alright, bye-bye. I love you.
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Love you.
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I can stay.
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The fact that no-one
has been held responsible
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burns a hole right through me.
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Usually when I start
having nightmares,
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it's...it's getting colder
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and it's just
my heart just sinks.
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And...and I remember
that she's gone.
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On November 17, 1978,
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four employees of
the Burger Chef restaurant
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in Speedway, Indiana
were abducted.
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Two days later,
on Sunday afternoon,
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a person found their bodies in
rural Johnson County, Indiana,
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where they had been murdered.
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Ruth and Danny were both shot
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face down, execution style.
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Jayne was stabbed twice
in the chest.
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And then Mark was beaten.
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The bodies of Jayne C. Friedt,
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Mark Flemmonds,
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Daniel R. Davis
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and Ruth E. Shelton
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have been discovered late thisafternoon in Johnson County.
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The crime stillremains unsolved...
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...just hoursafter closing time,
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four employees ages 16 to 20...
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They were found murdered
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a few days laterin Johnson County.
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No-one has beencharged with the crime.
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One ofthe most infamous crimes
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in state history.
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Somewhere, somebody knows
what happened.
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Speedway's
an interesting town
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because forever,
it's been the home of
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the greatest spectacle
in motor racing
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since, you know, 1912.
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And that was always
the claim to fame.
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The town of Speedway,
named after
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the Indianapolis 500
Motor Speedway.
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In the late 1970s,
all of a sudden
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it was getting rocked
by all this crime
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and all this attention
that was coming to
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this sleepy little suburb.
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This was four young people
who disappeared out of thin air
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and then to be found
so brutally slain
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36 hours later
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just brought up
all kinds of terror
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not only in the community
as a whole
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but for every parent and
every teenage kid out there
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who was making a few dollars
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working at a fast-food
restaurant after school
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that this could happen to them.
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It is still seared into
the minds of the people
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that the bogeyman's
going to come get you.
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Well, in this case,
the bogeyman came
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and took four children away -
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and 40 years later, we still
don't have that solution.
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It put a lot of fear
in everybody -
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the whole community,
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myself and my family.
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I am paranoid in my old age.
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Of course, my paranoia started
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at a young age
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with the Burger Chef murders.
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So I'm not a crazy old woman
with guns.
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I have my guns
for self-protection.
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Ruger .22, long barrel.
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They are all loaded.
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This is where I sit
most of the time,
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so I definitely wanna have
something in reach here.
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And this is my 9mm.
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This is my curly-hair tarantula.
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His name is Chewy.
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Get him!
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It was a...
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...pretty terrifying experience.
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My name's Todd McComas.
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I'm a retired detective
with the Indiana State Police.
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I became a detective in 1998
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and I was assigned to
the Indianapolis District,
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which is where
this crime happened.
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This case is probably
one of the saddest things
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I've ever seen in my career.
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You know, I'm a dad.
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And you can just imagine
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what their parents
and their family went through
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when they found out that news.
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I think Ruth wanted to be 18
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just because that 18 meant
you were an adult.
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She was 30 days away
from being 18
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when she was taken.
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Ruth was five years
older than me.
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I looked up to her.
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I thought she was the perfect
picture of a teenager.
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And that's the last memory
I have of her.
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It was only maybe four or five
black kids in the whole school,
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so we kind of stuck together.
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We rode to school together,
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we walked home
from school together,
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we hung out together.
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So it was pretty
devastating to me.
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It was just rough, man.
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Wait. Hold on, y'all, hold on.
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Shh, shh, shh.
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You hear that?
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That's the Galaxy
calling out to me.
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"Mark, Mark."
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What's the Galaxy?
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It's the under-21 club
across the street
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where all of Mark's
imaginary girlfriends are.
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OK, Jayne.
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Honestly, nothing good
happens there, Danny.
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You're not missing anything
on anything.
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- Have you been?
- I've heard all about it.
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Don't knock it
till you try it.
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Mark and I had planned
to go to the Galaxy that night
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to play some games,
listen to some music.
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You know, have some fun
and come on back home.
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Once Mark get off work,
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I'mma meet him and we gonna
walk back home because...
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...black kids don't walk
by themself
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in Speedway at night, you know?
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I'm just walking across
the parking lot. It's dark.
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I don't see nobody.
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So I do what I normally do -
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I knock on the door,
because they would let me in.
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No answer.
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Like, "Damn, I just
saw y'all over here!"
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As I go towards
the back of the building,
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I see the back door
laying wide open.
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So I stop.
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I say, "They might be
trying to scare me,
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"hiding behind the door."
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So I'm hollering
in the building.
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"Mark, Mark, Mark! Jayne!"
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Nothing.
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Quiet as a mouse in there.
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I'm like,
"Shit, I'm not going in there."
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So I just turn around
and walk home.
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The cops get here
about half an hour after
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someone comes and
notices we're gone.
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The safe is open.
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$500 in notes are missing
but not the coins.
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Our jackets are gone
from the coat rack
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but my purse and Ruth's purse
are still here.
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The cash drawers are on the
floor and the back door is open.
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A crime scene, right?
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Not so fast.
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The Speedway
Police Department
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immediately dismissed this as
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"Ah, they're just
being teenagers.
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"They probably went out
to that under-21 club,
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"having a good time.
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"They'll be back. Why don't you
go and shut the doors, lock up?
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"And you can open
for business tomorrow."
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A couple days later,
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after they find our bodies
in the woods,
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the police come back and
re-stage the crime scene.
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They take photos
and say they were taken
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on the night we disappeared.
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I don't know if I'd
characterise it as re-staging.
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I know that there was an attempt
to pass off photographs
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as if they were actual
crime-scene photos.
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I worked the Burger Chef case
for the...
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...better part of 21 years -
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continuously from 1981
through '86
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and then I still had
my hand in it
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from '86 through '99 when I
retired from the department.
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It became common knowledge
amongst all the investigators
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that the crime scene
at the restaurant,
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the Burger Chef, wasn't...
wasn't handled properly.
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Four people missing.
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An apparent robbery.
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There should have been
pictures, fingerprints.
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People should have been
interviewed -
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witnesses and so forth -
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and I don't believe
much was done.
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The part of this case that
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I'm probably
the most familiar with
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is the crime-scene photos.
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When you look at Ruth,
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the first shot
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entered the side of her neck
from the back
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and exited the front.
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You see that in Danny as well.
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The first shots went through
his trapezoid from the back
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and then exited the front.
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Then the killer approaches Ruth,
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puts the gun
to the back of her head
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and ends it.
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And Danny literally is
touching shoulders,
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he's that close to Ruth.
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Turns toward Danny sideways
and puts two shots,
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one in the side of his neck
and one into his jaw.
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And those ended his life.
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When the shots rang out,
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Jayne and Mark bolt.
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Someone grabbed Jayne
from behind,
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reached over and stabbed her
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twice in the chest.
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And on that second blow,
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probably as they went
to the ground,
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it broke off.
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They never found the handle,
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but the blade was
left in her chest.
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So Mark was found
at the base of a tree
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on his back,
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and his hands were like this
above his head.
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And he was positioned
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on a decline.
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Now, the injuries
that he received
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were all through
this area of his face
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and it looked to me
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as if it was almost
one single blow.
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He dropped right where he stood.
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He choked on his own blood.
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Asphyxiated.
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He died from a broken nose.
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I think...
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...Mark hit that tree.
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These aren't just victims.
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That was my sister.
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These are real people
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with real families,
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with real friends,
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that deserve justice.
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Well, I'm chasing answers.
263
00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:13,120
I'm chasing answers for Theresa
264
00:14:13,187 --> 00:14:14,922
and for the family members.
265
00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:16,691
They deserve closure.
266
00:14:19,126 --> 00:14:21,061
All these theories
are out there
267
00:14:21,128 --> 00:14:23,030
and at one time had validity.
268
00:14:23,097 --> 00:14:24,733
But the reason they all exist
269
00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:26,735
is there was a lot of crazy shit
270
00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:29,571
going on in Indianapolis
in 1978.
271
00:14:29,637 --> 00:14:32,873
And when you look at them
individually,
272
00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:37,111
they fell in comparison to this
most famous unsolved case.
273
00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:40,648
So whenever something bad
happened to anybody
274
00:14:40,715 --> 00:14:43,951
or anyone threw away a gun
in somebody's yard
275
00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:47,488
or anyone came home with blood
on 'em around that time,
276
00:14:47,555 --> 00:14:51,058
people wanted to connect that
to the Burger Chef murders.
277
00:15:14,415 --> 00:15:15,817
Hey, Mama?
278
00:15:15,884 --> 00:15:18,787
I was just wondering if I
could stay back to help close.
279
00:15:20,588 --> 00:15:22,189
But they need my help here.
280
00:15:22,256 --> 00:15:23,758
Please.
281
00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:27,461
I know, I know. Um...
282
00:15:29,597 --> 00:15:31,766
Alright. 'Bye, Mama. I love you.
283
00:15:33,868 --> 00:15:35,035
I can stay.
284
00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:36,738
Right on!
285
00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:44,478
I think the answer
is right in our face
286
00:15:44,546 --> 00:15:46,881
and that's what burns me up
the most.
287
00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:50,050
There was a crew of
five guys interchangeably
288
00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,319
that were robbing
all the Burger Chefs
289
00:15:52,386 --> 00:15:54,889
up to three weeks
before this one happened.
290
00:15:58,025 --> 00:16:01,295
I am 99.9% convinced
291
00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:03,865
that the original investigators
292
00:16:03,932 --> 00:16:05,499
had the right theory.
293
00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:07,234
The robbery crew.
294
00:16:08,202 --> 00:16:10,738
That that crew are responsible.
295
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:17,812
One of the more
prominent theories -
296
00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:19,480
even though robbery
was pretty prominent
297
00:16:19,547 --> 00:16:21,148
in Indianapolis at the time,
298
00:16:21,215 --> 00:16:23,350
is a specific group
from Johnson County.
299
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,385
It was a group of 4-5 guys -
they kinda
300
00:16:25,452 --> 00:16:27,589
rotated out which ones were
involved at any given time -
301
00:16:27,655 --> 00:16:30,491
that would rob Burger Chefs
and Kentucky Fried Chickens.
302
00:16:30,558 --> 00:16:33,595
Had a MO similar to kind of
what is theorised happened
303
00:16:33,661 --> 00:16:35,295
at the Speedway Burger Chef
that night.
304
00:16:40,902 --> 00:16:44,071
I got off work at the
Dunkin' Donuts early that night,
305
00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:46,406
somewhere around 11:00,
306
00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:48,008
and I had a little time
307
00:16:48,075 --> 00:16:50,010
before my dad was gonna
come pick me up.
308
00:16:50,077 --> 00:16:52,279
So I called George
to come up there.
309
00:16:52,346 --> 00:16:55,349
We dated...a year and a half?
310
00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:57,084
-Yeah.
-Close to two years.
311
00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,118
Right.
312
00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:01,054
Had a lot of
wild and crazy times.
313
00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:05,392
We were gonna smoke
a joint and drink a little bit.
314
00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:08,796
We needed matches
to light the joint.
315
00:17:10,097 --> 00:17:12,232
I looked over
at the back of the place.
316
00:17:12,299 --> 00:17:14,468
The back door was cracked
a little bit.
317
00:17:14,536 --> 00:17:16,971
And I went to the door
and it was open.
318
00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:18,540
Well, I went in.
319
00:17:18,606 --> 00:17:20,708
Just one person that came up
320
00:17:20,775 --> 00:17:22,409
and they gave me
the pack of matches.
321
00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:28,081
George Nichols was the
last person to see any of them
322
00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:29,884
before they were taken.
323
00:17:31,553 --> 00:17:33,320
The robbery crew would
324
00:17:33,387 --> 00:17:35,623
park their car
some distance away,
325
00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:37,992
then they would approach
the restaurant
326
00:17:38,058 --> 00:17:40,227
or the target location on foot.
327
00:17:41,194 --> 00:17:42,597
You know, we lit up
328
00:17:42,664 --> 00:17:44,832
and that's when them
two guys came down.
329
00:17:44,899 --> 00:17:46,634
I thought they smelled it.
330
00:17:46,701 --> 00:17:48,435
That's why I...
331
00:17:48,503 --> 00:17:51,171
That's kinda what
freaked me out about them.
332
00:17:51,238 --> 00:17:54,308
I remember hearing somebody
clear their throat
333
00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:58,312
and when I looked up,
one of 'em spoke and said,
334
00:17:58,378 --> 00:18:00,682
"You kids need
to get out of here
335
00:18:00,748 --> 00:18:03,685
"because there's been a lot
of vandalism going on."
336
00:18:03,751 --> 00:18:07,454
I thought we were gonna go to
jail, actually, at that point.
337
00:18:07,522 --> 00:18:10,692
I went back inside
to wait for my dad.
338
00:18:10,758 --> 00:18:12,426
-And you walked home.
-Yeah.
339
00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:14,996
The one that did not speak
340
00:18:15,063 --> 00:18:17,164
was tall.
341
00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:19,767
I'd say 6' to 6'2".
342
00:18:19,834 --> 00:18:22,169
Clean-shaven.
343
00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:26,941
The other man was shorter,
maybe 5'8"-ish.
344
00:18:27,008 --> 00:18:28,342
He had a beard.
345
00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,011
Scruffy-looking.
346
00:18:30,078 --> 00:18:32,112
The sketches became known as
347
00:18:32,179 --> 00:18:35,550
the Clean-Shaven Man
and the Bearded Man.
348
00:18:36,751 --> 00:18:38,853
And they took it a step further
349
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,121
and did the clay busts.
350
00:18:45,793 --> 00:18:47,729
Tomorrow, policeare expected to release
351
00:18:47,795 --> 00:18:50,965
two three-dimensional bustsof the men in the composites
352
00:18:51,032 --> 00:18:52,867
hoping this will givea better indication
353
00:18:52,934 --> 00:18:54,334
of what they look like.
354
00:18:54,401 --> 00:18:56,638
Since the two haven'tcome forward,
355
00:18:56,704 --> 00:19:00,108
police are more convinced thanever that these arethe killers.
356
00:19:01,475 --> 00:19:05,713
Based on this young man
and young woman's description,
357
00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:09,182
a couple of these members
of the robbery crew.
358
00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:14,522
S.W. Wilkins looks very much
like the Bearded Man's composite
359
00:19:14,589 --> 00:19:16,724
and Gregg Steinke
looked very much like
360
00:19:16,791 --> 00:19:18,660
the Clean-Shaven Man's
composite.
361
00:19:18,726 --> 00:19:20,595
Almost eerily so.
362
00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,732
S.W. Wilkins
363
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,670
did case
that particular Burger Chef
364
00:19:28,736 --> 00:19:30,437
three different times
365
00:19:30,505 --> 00:19:32,840
prior to it getting robbed.
366
00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:36,044
He was a bad guy.
367
00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:40,014
I mean, he committed a butt-ton
of robberies, armed robberies,
368
00:19:40,081 --> 00:19:42,950
where he put people in fear
for a very long time.
369
00:19:44,418 --> 00:19:46,921
These guys robbed
all kinds of other places,
370
00:19:46,988 --> 00:19:48,255
including Burger Chefs,
371
00:19:48,321 --> 00:19:50,257
but no-one ever got murdered.
372
00:19:50,323 --> 00:19:52,894
So why did these four kids
373
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,530
get taken 25, 30 minutes away
374
00:19:55,596 --> 00:19:58,298
out into rural Johnson County
375
00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:01,169
and executed in the woods?
376
00:20:02,637 --> 00:20:04,204
S.W. Wilkins
377
00:20:04,271 --> 00:20:07,108
worked at a railway
in Avon, Indiana.
378
00:20:10,477 --> 00:20:14,749
Jayne Friedt did at one time
work at that Burger Chef
379
00:20:14,816 --> 00:20:16,551
in Avon, Indiana.
380
00:20:19,887 --> 00:20:21,989
It's quite likely he went there.
381
00:20:22,056 --> 00:20:23,891
Maybe she recognised him
382
00:20:23,958 --> 00:20:26,527
and that made things
turn for the worse.
383
00:20:35,302 --> 00:20:37,605
The problem here is that the
entire case against these guys
384
00:20:37,672 --> 00:20:38,940
is circumstantial.
385
00:20:39,006 --> 00:20:40,575
I don't even know that guy.
386
00:20:40,641 --> 00:20:43,644
The police say the only reason
he even recognised you
387
00:20:43,711 --> 00:20:45,513
is because he worked
close to where you worked
388
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:47,247
and probably, maybe, might have
389
00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:49,282
got a sandwich from there
from time to time.
390
00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:52,120
So these guys
arrive on foot.
391
00:20:52,186 --> 00:20:55,156
One of them recognises me, then
what? They have to kill us all?
392
00:20:55,223 --> 00:20:56,591
And then what?
393
00:20:56,657 --> 00:20:59,259
They have to get us 30 miles
away to Johnson County.
394
00:21:00,228 --> 00:21:02,496
If you're
an experienced criminal
395
00:21:02,563 --> 00:21:04,665
and you're gonna have to
396
00:21:04,732 --> 00:21:06,768
take some kids
against their will,
397
00:21:06,834 --> 00:21:10,171
you're probably gonna go to
an area you're familiar with.
398
00:21:10,238 --> 00:21:11,806
Just so happens
399
00:21:11,873 --> 00:21:15,676
S.W. Wilkins
and Gregg Steinke lived
400
00:21:15,743 --> 00:21:18,445
literally just within minutes
401
00:21:18,513 --> 00:21:20,380
of where those murders happened.
402
00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,884
They lived in Johnson County,
Indiana.
403
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:26,921
I'll tell you this - you don't
find that spot by accident.
404
00:21:28,089 --> 00:21:29,456
Get the Fun Village.
405
00:21:36,097 --> 00:21:38,431
This is one of the biggest
mysteries in this case.
406
00:21:39,934 --> 00:21:42,503
They take my car from
the restaurant here...
407
00:21:45,606 --> 00:21:47,474
...presumably to where
they left their car
408
00:21:47,542 --> 00:21:50,211
right by the Speedway
Police Station.
409
00:21:50,278 --> 00:21:52,345
That's a 25-minute walk.
410
00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,048
And either they take
one person
411
00:21:54,115 --> 00:21:56,918
in my car to a waiting van
and bring that van back...
412
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,555
...or, like some people say,
we all get in my car.
413
00:22:00,621 --> 00:22:04,391
So two, maybe three
fully-grown men and four kids?
414
00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:06,027
You got a clown car?
415
00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:10,765
It was very common
for the robbery crew
416
00:22:10,832 --> 00:22:13,433
to steal an employee's car
417
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,071
to drive back to where
their getaway car was.
418
00:22:17,138 --> 00:22:20,241
And then they would leave
the employee car there
419
00:22:20,308 --> 00:22:22,342
and drive off in their car.
420
00:22:23,678 --> 00:22:26,914
The mystery of it is how does
her car end up over by the park
421
00:22:26,981 --> 00:22:28,616
which is just across the street
422
00:22:28,683 --> 00:22:30,585
from the Speedway
Police Department?
423
00:22:30,651 --> 00:22:33,187
If you're gonna dump a car,
why are you gonna dump it
424
00:22:33,254 --> 00:22:34,889
across the street from
the Police Department?
425
00:22:36,290 --> 00:22:38,559
The key was in my pocket
when they found me.
426
00:22:38,626 --> 00:22:41,428
The driver's side was locked.
I always locked my doors.
427
00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:43,331
Passenger side was open, though.
428
00:22:44,431 --> 00:22:47,434
We do know that her keys
were found in her pocket
429
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,870
at the crime scene
430
00:22:48,936 --> 00:22:51,072
when she was found dead
with the others.
431
00:22:51,138 --> 00:22:52,940
So at some point,
432
00:22:53,007 --> 00:22:54,976
those keys were returned to her.
433
00:22:55,042 --> 00:22:57,879
Look, the cops'
whole case on this is
434
00:22:57,945 --> 00:23:00,248
there were guys robbing
restaurants in the area,
435
00:23:00,314 --> 00:23:01,816
so they must have done it.
436
00:23:01,883 --> 00:23:03,551
So where's the evidence?
437
00:23:03,618 --> 00:23:06,921
It's just frustrating
that we didn't have all that.
438
00:23:06,988 --> 00:23:10,291
As far as a case,
you can have all the leads,
439
00:23:10,358 --> 00:23:12,927
but if you don't have
the evidence to prove it,
440
00:23:12,994 --> 00:23:15,529
you're...you're just stuck.
441
00:23:16,831 --> 00:23:18,266
Yep.
442
00:23:18,332 --> 00:23:19,399
Here we go.
443
00:24:34,141 --> 00:24:35,543
Hey, Mama.
444
00:24:35,609 --> 00:24:37,745
I've gotta stay back.
We're short.
445
00:24:37,812 --> 00:24:39,580
Someone didn't come in.
446
00:24:39,647 --> 00:24:42,350
I know. OK, Mama.
447
00:24:42,416 --> 00:24:44,752
OK, thanks.
448
00:24:47,621 --> 00:24:49,223
I can stay.
449
00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:50,624
Right on!
450
00:24:54,729 --> 00:24:56,998
I think we had
the right person
451
00:24:57,064 --> 00:24:59,333
and I was convinced enough
452
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,069
that I felt that we had enough
to proceed with prosecution
453
00:25:02,136 --> 00:25:03,604
and get a conviction
454
00:25:03,671 --> 00:25:05,373
on Don Forrester.
455
00:25:11,178 --> 00:25:12,446
You just take it easy now!
456
00:25:12,513 --> 00:25:14,615
You see this?
457
00:25:14,682 --> 00:25:16,884
That says 'Assistant Manager'.
458
00:25:16,951 --> 00:25:18,285
That means I'm your boss.
459
00:25:18,352 --> 00:25:20,187
Well, you're very good
at your job, Jayne.
460
00:25:20,254 --> 00:25:22,056
Um, excuse me, Jayne.
461
00:25:22,123 --> 00:25:24,959
Just to let you know,
I have to be gone by 11:30.
462
00:25:25,026 --> 00:25:26,293
I know, buddy.
463
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,462
We'll have you home in no time.
464
00:25:58,893 --> 00:26:02,496
I came into
the Burger Chef investigation...
465
00:26:02,563 --> 00:26:05,499
...um, in the mid-'80s.
466
00:26:05,566 --> 00:26:09,403
Originally we got the
information from a jail snitch
467
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:11,338
that wanted to talk to us
468
00:26:11,405 --> 00:26:13,674
about Don Forrester.
469
00:26:13,741 --> 00:26:17,478
Forrester was known
to be a bad guy.
470
00:26:17,546 --> 00:26:19,814
We got a call from him here,
471
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,184
that he wanted to talk to us,
and then...
472
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,653
...said he had some
things to say
473
00:26:25,719 --> 00:26:27,421
about the Burger Chef.
474
00:26:28,756 --> 00:26:30,291
He told us details
475
00:26:30,357 --> 00:26:32,093
about the murder scene
476
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,862
and who was shot
and how many times
477
00:26:34,929 --> 00:26:37,298
and who was laying
next to each other.
478
00:26:37,364 --> 00:26:38,699
Told us all that.
479
00:26:43,838 --> 00:26:45,439
Can you get that in?
480
00:26:45,507 --> 00:26:46,707
Yeah.
481
00:27:44,098 --> 00:27:46,734
This is the badge that
Jayne left at my house
482
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,470
the day she went to work on
the day that she was murdered.
483
00:27:50,905 --> 00:27:53,007
We'd get either lovey-dovey
484
00:27:53,073 --> 00:27:54,909
or talk about the day and...
485
00:27:54,975 --> 00:27:56,911
"What are we gonna do
this weekend?" type thing.
486
00:27:56,977 --> 00:27:58,779
But she remarked that day,
487
00:27:58,846 --> 00:28:01,550
"No, I just wanna sit on the
couch and be close and hug."
488
00:28:01,616 --> 00:28:04,852
And I said, "OK, but, you know,
is something going on?"
489
00:28:04,919 --> 00:28:06,687
"No, not really."
490
00:28:06,754 --> 00:28:08,088
I let it go.
491
00:28:08,155 --> 00:28:09,356
I didn't pursue it
492
00:28:09,423 --> 00:28:12,527
'cause time was short
and we had to go to work.
493
00:28:12,594 --> 00:28:15,095
And then I spoke with her
later on that night
494
00:28:15,162 --> 00:28:16,730
and things had turned around.
495
00:28:16,797 --> 00:28:18,365
She was upbeat.
496
00:28:18,432 --> 00:28:20,768
Maybe she was getting off work
in a couple hours or something.
497
00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:21,769
I don't know.
498
00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:23,971
But now, as I look back,
499
00:28:24,038 --> 00:28:26,407
I wonder if something
wasn't going down
500
00:28:26,473 --> 00:28:28,108
that she was worried about
501
00:28:28,175 --> 00:28:30,945
but she just wanted
to be secure in some way
502
00:28:31,011 --> 00:28:33,414
about just being close
and holding each other.
503
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,082
Maybe she was
afraid of something.
504
00:28:37,686 --> 00:28:39,453
I called her
505
00:28:39,521 --> 00:28:41,789
later on that evening
506
00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:44,792
and she said, "It's dead,"
507
00:28:44,858 --> 00:28:47,861
which...those words
haunt me to this day.
508
00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,114
Some of the contacts
509
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:42,983
or people that Forrester
had brought up to us was...
510
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:44,653
...Jayne Friedt's brother.
511
00:29:44,719 --> 00:29:46,053
Jimmy...
512
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,222
I think he was in trouble a lot
513
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:49,658
throughout his life.
514
00:29:50,692 --> 00:29:53,193
Don Forrester was aware of him
and knew him.
515
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:56,230
He was an enforcer
for that drug gang,
516
00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:58,232
or whatever you want to call it.
517
00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:00,735
Hello?
518
00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:03,003
-Sorry. What can I get you?
-That's alright.
519
00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:04,639
Hey, could I get a Big Shef?
520
00:30:04,706 --> 00:30:06,675
Of course.
That'll be...
521
00:30:06,741 --> 00:30:09,176
-Please.
-Sweet. Thank you.
522
00:30:25,993 --> 00:30:27,662
Blue? That's new.
523
00:30:27,729 --> 00:30:29,496
I heard orange.
524
00:30:29,564 --> 00:30:32,066
Well, we've heard
a lot of things.
525
00:30:32,132 --> 00:30:33,668
I heard orange.
526
00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:36,203
So yellow with a primer
red according to one witness.
527
00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:37,605
Chevy?
528
00:30:37,672 --> 00:30:39,206
It was a Ford.
529
00:30:39,273 --> 00:30:41,375
Snub-nosed Econoline.
530
00:30:41,442 --> 00:30:43,877
One guy even said
it was a board van.
531
00:32:38,058 --> 00:32:39,460
Get inside!
532
00:32:40,562 --> 00:32:41,596
No!
533
00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:47,301
I was scheduled
to work the 17th.
534
00:32:47,367 --> 00:32:48,870
Mark did like me a lot.
535
00:32:48,937 --> 00:32:50,839
There was another boy
working there,
536
00:32:50,905 --> 00:32:52,039
his name was Brian,
537
00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:53,908
and he had asked me out
on a date.
538
00:32:53,974 --> 00:32:56,578
So I called Mark and I said,
"Hey, Mark,
539
00:32:56,644 --> 00:32:58,913
"you know, Brian wants to
take me out on Friday night.
540
00:32:58,979 --> 00:33:00,682
"Would you work in my place?"
541
00:33:00,748 --> 00:33:02,015
And Mark said, "Sure."
542
00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:04,985
Around 4:30, Mark called me
543
00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:07,087
and he told me that
something had come up
544
00:33:07,154 --> 00:33:09,223
and he couldn't work for me.
545
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:10,357
I said, you know what?
546
00:33:10,424 --> 00:33:12,259
Mark said that
he was gonna work for me,
547
00:33:12,326 --> 00:33:13,661
so he's gonna work for me.
548
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:18,566
Now, I did try to
back out of Ginger's shift
549
00:33:18,633 --> 00:33:20,100
at the last minute
550
00:33:20,167 --> 00:33:22,737
and people assumed it was 'cause
551
00:33:22,804 --> 00:33:25,072
I knew the Burger Chef
was gonna get hit
552
00:33:25,138 --> 00:33:26,774
and that my brother
was involved.
553
00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:31,846
I just wanted
to go to the Galaxy.
554
00:33:33,948 --> 00:33:35,517
Flemmonds's16-year-old son Mark
555
00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:38,586
was the victim now believedto have forced the kidnapping
556
00:33:38,653 --> 00:33:41,154
by immediately fighting toprotect another of the victims,
557
00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,422
Jayne Friedt.
558
00:33:42,489 --> 00:33:44,358
I heard it out ofher own mouth.
559
00:33:44,424 --> 00:33:45,793
She said...
560
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,028
I didn't pay toomuch attention."Mark's my protection."
561
00:33:48,095 --> 00:33:50,197
Jayne Friedt saidMark was her protector?
562
00:33:50,264 --> 00:33:52,967
I heard her say itat the Burger Chef
563
00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:55,035
when I went there to getsome hamburgers one time.
564
00:33:55,102 --> 00:33:56,804
What did she needprotection from?
565
00:33:56,871 --> 00:33:58,540
Now, that's the point.
566
00:33:58,606 --> 00:34:00,642
I never even dreamed, you know?
567
00:34:00,708 --> 00:34:02,409
You don't think aboutanything like that.
568
00:34:02,476 --> 00:34:04,612
No, I didn't even thinkabout it at the time.
569
00:34:04,679 --> 00:34:07,114
Friedt was therestaurant's assistant manager
570
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:08,716
and detectives believeshe may have had
571
00:34:08,783 --> 00:34:10,484
information about a drug debt
572
00:34:10,552 --> 00:34:12,587
the assailants had gone tothe restaurant to collect.
573
00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:15,489
Later that evening,
574
00:34:15,557 --> 00:34:17,424
we drove by the Burger Chef
575
00:34:17,491 --> 00:34:19,426
and realised things
weren't quite right.
576
00:34:20,962 --> 00:34:23,565
It was probably around midnight.
577
00:34:23,631 --> 00:34:25,833
And we were driving by.
578
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,902
We see all the lights were on
579
00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:29,871
but Jayne's car was gone.
580
00:34:49,657 --> 00:34:51,993
Brian says, "Let's stop
in and see what's going on."
581
00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:53,460
And I said, "I can't.
582
00:34:53,528 --> 00:34:56,163
"I gotta be home by midnight
or my dad will freak out."
583
00:34:56,229 --> 00:34:58,298
So he dropped me off,
584
00:34:58,365 --> 00:35:00,702
and then Brian's the one
that came back to Burger Chef
585
00:35:00,768 --> 00:35:03,437
and realised that
the back door was open
586
00:35:03,504 --> 00:35:06,641
and went in and saw
things weren't...right.
587
00:35:06,708 --> 00:35:09,209
So then Brian
called the manager.
588
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:12,212
So then the manager
called the police.
589
00:35:13,615 --> 00:35:16,951
It was unusual that Jayne...
the manager's car being gone
590
00:35:17,018 --> 00:35:19,152
and the lights being on
in the restaurant.
591
00:35:55,455 --> 00:35:57,324
We're gonna get
through this, buddy, OK?
592
00:35:58,325 --> 00:35:59,594
God is watching over us
593
00:35:59,661 --> 00:36:01,763
and he won't let
anything bad happen to us.
594
00:36:03,263 --> 00:36:05,633
I spoke to my mom just before.
595
00:36:07,234 --> 00:36:08,703
I asked her if I could
596
00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:11,204
stay back and help close.
597
00:36:11,271 --> 00:36:12,740
So if something bad
happens to me, Ruth...
598
00:36:12,807 --> 00:36:14,108
It's OK. It's OK.
599
00:36:14,174 --> 00:36:15,576
...they'll think
it's their fault.
600
00:36:15,643 --> 00:36:17,210
It'll be OK, Danny,
you'll be back with your mama
601
00:36:17,277 --> 00:36:18,579
again in no time, OK?
602
00:36:18,646 --> 00:36:21,381
This'll all just be
like a bad dream.
603
00:37:43,731 --> 00:37:46,701
We verified
through his ex-wife
604
00:37:46,768 --> 00:37:48,603
that he actually did take her
605
00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:50,972
to the homicide scene
606
00:37:51,038 --> 00:37:54,341
and collect shell casings
607
00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:57,277
that was in a stream
at the entrance to this road
608
00:37:57,344 --> 00:37:59,514
that goes up to where
the children were murdered.
609
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,683
He did take those shell casings
to their house
610
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:04,252
and flushed them
down the toilet.
611
00:38:05,686 --> 00:38:09,891
What he wasn't aware of, though,
that it was on a septic
612
00:38:09,957 --> 00:38:13,493
and they were still
in...in that septic tank
613
00:38:13,561 --> 00:38:15,596
when we recovered them.
614
00:38:16,764 --> 00:38:18,498
Forrester's gun was a .22.
615
00:38:18,566 --> 00:38:20,433
The killer used a .38.
616
00:38:21,702 --> 00:38:23,237
He said he shoved us
in the storeroom
617
00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:26,073
and at least one of us was
tied up with some kind of wire,
618
00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,375
but there were no ligature
marks on any of us.
619
00:38:28,441 --> 00:38:29,811
What the heck
is he doing,
620
00:38:29,877 --> 00:38:31,813
going back to the scene
of the crime days later,
621
00:38:31,879 --> 00:38:33,214
with his wife,
to collect shell casings?
622
00:38:33,281 --> 00:38:34,682
They found them
in his poop tank.
623
00:38:34,749 --> 00:38:35,817
Gross!
624
00:38:35,883 --> 00:38:38,186
Look, Pendleton Prison
was tough as hell
625
00:38:38,252 --> 00:38:39,587
and when he started talking
to Willsey,
626
00:38:39,654 --> 00:38:41,189
they moved him
up to Michigan City
627
00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:43,024
and I think he liked it there.
628
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:46,227
So he confessed to
a quadruple murder
629
00:38:46,294 --> 00:38:47,862
that could get him
in the electric chair?
630
00:38:47,929 --> 00:38:49,030
Listen.
631
00:38:49,096 --> 00:38:51,265
The prosecutor had access
to the confession
632
00:38:51,331 --> 00:38:53,034
but still decided
not to prosecute.
633
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:57,738
They forced me to change
634
00:38:57,805 --> 00:38:59,273
what was the truth
635
00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:01,242
and give them a lie.
636
00:39:01,309 --> 00:39:03,578
If I had did that,you know,
637
00:39:03,644 --> 00:39:06,013
I would never have talkedto them in the first place.
638
00:39:07,748 --> 00:39:11,185
We had a meeting with
the prosecutor of Marion County
639
00:39:11,252 --> 00:39:13,554
here in
the Sheriff's Department.
640
00:39:13,621 --> 00:39:17,592
We were confused
why they...they didn't proceed.
641
00:39:17,658 --> 00:39:19,459
And like I said,
their excuse was...
642
00:39:19,527 --> 00:39:21,229
...or their reasoning was
643
00:39:21,295 --> 00:39:23,130
that he was already
doing 99 years.
644
00:39:23,197 --> 00:39:25,933
And mine was...
645
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,102
...I think the families
646
00:39:28,169 --> 00:39:30,037
need to know
647
00:39:30,104 --> 00:39:32,773
so they have
some sort of closure.
648
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,441
And...
649
00:39:34,508 --> 00:39:36,244
...it never happened.
650
00:39:37,945 --> 00:39:40,147
There's a reason Forrester
was never convicted.
651
00:39:40,214 --> 00:39:42,917
There are too many
inconsistencies to his story.
652
00:39:44,018 --> 00:39:46,888
He confessed twice and then
took them back both times.
653
00:39:46,954 --> 00:39:49,123
Right. And one of the guys
he named in his crew
654
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:51,424
was in jail the night
this all went down.
655
00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:54,427
I heard that when
he was interviewed
656
00:39:54,494 --> 00:39:55,930
by Marion County cops,
657
00:39:55,997 --> 00:39:57,565
they put him in the war room
658
00:39:57,632 --> 00:39:59,166
where all of
the crime scene photos
659
00:39:59,233 --> 00:40:00,902
and evidence were on the wall.
660
00:40:00,968 --> 00:40:02,303
He could see it all.
661
00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:04,372
It was poorly done.
662
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:07,608
I'll just give you an example.
663
00:40:07,675 --> 00:40:10,344
"You witnessed this stabbing
take place?" "Yes."
664
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:14,248
"How many times was the person
stabbed?" "Once."
665
00:40:14,315 --> 00:40:16,317
"Well, who stabbed her
the second time?"
666
00:40:16,384 --> 00:40:18,519
You know, it's pretty leading.
667
00:40:18,586 --> 00:40:21,088
And by that time,
I thought he'd been fed
668
00:40:21,155 --> 00:40:23,190
a big part of this case anyway.
669
00:40:23,257 --> 00:40:24,859
I'd sit right here today
and tell you
670
00:40:24,926 --> 00:40:26,661
Donald Forrester could
have killed those kids.
671
00:40:26,727 --> 00:40:28,162
He was that kind of person.
672
00:40:28,229 --> 00:40:30,331
He was a coward. He was a liar.
673
00:40:30,398 --> 00:40:31,999
I'm not saying he didn't do it.
674
00:40:32,066 --> 00:40:34,535
I'm saying he never said
anything credible.
675
00:41:03,531 --> 00:41:05,833
Hey, Mama.
676
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,836
I've gotta stay back to help
close. Is that OK?
677
00:41:09,904 --> 00:41:11,505
Alright.
678
00:41:11,572 --> 00:41:13,107
I love you. Bye-bye.
679
00:41:15,276 --> 00:41:16,544
I can stay.
680
00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:18,312
Right on!
681
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,235
Welcome toBurger Chef. Whatcan I get you?
682
00:41:41,302 --> 00:41:43,738
More, more, more, America!
683
00:41:43,804 --> 00:41:45,573
The number one taste you love.
684
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:48,876
Serving up juicy, terrificburgers, hot and delicious
685
00:41:48,943 --> 00:41:51,412
with an icy sodaand crispy fries.
686
00:41:51,479 --> 00:41:54,382
You want your Big Shefsome special way?
687
00:41:54,448 --> 00:41:55,950
You'll get it withour works bar.
688
00:41:56,017 --> 00:41:58,886
Have it your wayat Burger Chef.
689
00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:15,569
In order to understand
690
00:42:15,636 --> 00:42:17,805
why the Burger Chef murdersso shook the town of Speedway,
691
00:42:17,872 --> 00:42:18,939
it's necessary to understand
692
00:42:19,006 --> 00:42:20,641
what was going on hereat the time.
693
00:42:20,708 --> 00:42:23,077
A six-daybombing spree
694
00:42:23,144 --> 00:42:26,881
rocked the town of Speedwayin early September of 1978.
695
00:42:26,947 --> 00:42:29,917
It left two peopleseriously injured.
696
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,754
When we had
the Speedway Bombing
697
00:42:33,821 --> 00:42:36,624
across the street
from the Burger Chef,
698
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:38,926
Ruth worked that night.
699
00:42:38,993 --> 00:42:40,761
We had bunk beds.
700
00:42:40,828 --> 00:42:42,463
And she came home
701
00:42:42,531 --> 00:42:46,600
and that bed shook
all night long.
702
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:49,270
She was so nervous.
703
00:42:49,336 --> 00:42:52,106
The apartments complex that
we lived in at that time
704
00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:53,908
was called Big Eagle.
705
00:42:53,974 --> 00:42:56,110
Once we got to know Mark
706
00:42:56,177 --> 00:42:58,913
and we realised that we lived
in the same apartments...
707
00:42:58,979 --> 00:43:01,749
We're sitting at home one night
708
00:43:01,816 --> 00:43:03,484
and, you know,
we're watching the TV.
709
00:43:03,552 --> 00:43:06,821
And I'm like, "I wonder, is
a bomb gonna go off tonight?"
710
00:43:06,887 --> 00:43:09,090
10 minutes later, sure as shit.
711
00:43:09,156 --> 00:43:10,424
Boom!
712
00:43:10,491 --> 00:43:13,861
Damn police Speedway
cop car blew up.
713
00:43:13,928 --> 00:43:16,630
On September 6, a gym bag
714
00:43:16,697 --> 00:43:19,467
blew up in the parking lotof Speedway High School.
715
00:43:19,534 --> 00:43:22,203
Several people were hurt,including Carl DeLong,
716
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:24,371
who had to havehis leg amputated.
717
00:43:27,007 --> 00:43:28,676
There was a football game
that night.
718
00:43:28,742 --> 00:43:31,312
We just walked from
the parking lot to the gate
719
00:43:31,378 --> 00:43:34,415
and I heard a loud boom
and I saw the flash.
720
00:43:35,416 --> 00:43:37,552
And thought, "Oh, my God,
what just happened?"
721
00:43:39,186 --> 00:43:41,055
Then I heard
the people screaming
722
00:43:41,122 --> 00:43:42,656
and people running around.
723
00:43:42,723 --> 00:43:46,961
It happened right in here,
in this general area.
724
00:43:47,027 --> 00:43:48,462
There was a car parked,
725
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:50,164
and when that car
backed out and left,
726
00:43:50,231 --> 00:43:52,133
it exposed a gym bag.
727
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,970
And a gentleman,
Carl DeLong, kicked it.
728
00:43:56,036 --> 00:43:59,240
A guy I went to
high school with, DeLong,
729
00:43:59,306 --> 00:44:03,043
his dad kicked the bag
and blew his damn leg off.
730
00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:05,379
The victimhas lost a leg
731
00:44:05,446 --> 00:44:07,381
and later,plagued by constant pain,
732
00:44:07,448 --> 00:44:08,916
committed suicide.
733
00:44:08,983 --> 00:44:11,418
His wife, she got
burnt real bad.
734
00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:16,991
But I can remember just
listening to people screaming
735
00:44:17,057 --> 00:44:19,026
and just...just chaos.
736
00:44:20,094 --> 00:44:21,695
This guy was
going around Speedway
737
00:44:21,762 --> 00:44:23,998
just bombing the hell
out of places, man.
738
00:44:27,468 --> 00:44:28,869
Jayne,
739
00:44:28,936 --> 00:44:31,172
that night,
when I spoke with her,
740
00:44:31,238 --> 00:44:33,007
we talked about the bombings.
741
00:44:33,073 --> 00:44:35,342
But she said, "Yeah,
one of my employees said
742
00:44:35,409 --> 00:44:37,244
"that she thought that she saw
743
00:44:37,311 --> 00:44:39,847
"Brett Kimberlin go through
the drive-thru."
744
00:44:43,918 --> 00:44:46,787
Brett Kimberlin has always
been in the background,
745
00:44:46,854 --> 00:44:48,889
in the periphery of
the Burger Chef case.
746
00:44:48,956 --> 00:44:52,726
His crimes were so off the wall
and didn't make any sense
747
00:44:52,793 --> 00:44:55,229
just like Burger Chef
didn't make any sense.
748
00:44:55,296 --> 00:44:57,798
You go from Brett Kimberlin
to Burger Chef -
749
00:44:57,865 --> 00:45:00,868
there were a lot of things
happening on that side of town.
750
00:45:00,935 --> 00:45:02,903
Brett Kimberlin...
751
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:06,575
Brett Kimberlin is who
I think is behind all...
752
00:45:06,641 --> 00:45:09,544
If it's drug related,
it's Brett Kimberlin.
753
00:45:09,611 --> 00:45:11,779
Authorities speculatethe bombings were
754
00:45:11,845 --> 00:45:14,649
to distract them frominvestigating a murder.
755
00:45:14,715 --> 00:45:16,651
The victim,a Speedway grandmother
756
00:45:16,717 --> 00:45:18,252
who reportedly had threatened
757
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,555
to blow the whistleon Kimberlin's drug dealing.
758
00:45:20,622 --> 00:45:23,257
In late July of 1978,
759
00:45:23,324 --> 00:45:25,392
a man came to seea woman named Julia Scyphers
760
00:45:25,459 --> 00:45:27,094
about an itemat her garage sale.
761
00:45:27,161 --> 00:45:29,564
The elderly woman wasshot in the head and killed.
762
00:45:30,532 --> 00:45:33,100
Julia Scyphers was the mother
763
00:45:33,167 --> 00:45:37,572
of a girl that was dating
Brett Kimberlin
764
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:41,108
and she didn't like
the relationship
765
00:45:41,175 --> 00:45:42,644
and she was wanting her daughter
766
00:45:42,711 --> 00:45:44,579
to break up with
Brett Kimberlin.
767
00:45:44,646 --> 00:45:48,315
And Brett Kimberlin
didn't like that.
768
00:45:48,382 --> 00:45:50,284
And...
769
00:45:52,186 --> 00:45:56,156
I don't know this for sure, but
I think that Brett Kimberlin
770
00:45:56,223 --> 00:45:59,561
had Bill Bowman
kill Julia Scyphers.
771
00:46:00,662 --> 00:46:02,396
Her husband witnessed it...
772
00:46:03,864 --> 00:46:07,234
...but he died before anything
could be taken to trial.
773
00:46:08,536 --> 00:46:10,605
I think he's evil.
774
00:46:12,172 --> 00:46:14,308
Yeah. He has no conscience.
775
00:46:16,343 --> 00:46:17,411
Um...
776
00:46:20,214 --> 00:46:22,216
But I think even monstersstill feel,
777
00:46:22,283 --> 00:46:24,485
and I don't thinkhe even has any feelings.
778
00:46:25,553 --> 00:46:29,356
If there's anybody to be scared
of, it's Brett Kimberlin.
779
00:46:29,423 --> 00:46:31,392
Even today.
780
00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:33,762
Hi, guys.
781
00:46:37,766 --> 00:46:39,668
That's alright. I got him.
782
00:46:42,604 --> 00:46:44,405
Didn't expect that one.
783
00:46:45,406 --> 00:46:47,241
Oh, look, there's Ozzie.
784
00:46:47,308 --> 00:46:48,677
Ozzie the pig.
785
00:46:48,743 --> 00:46:50,477
So we have 13 animals.
786
00:46:50,545 --> 00:46:54,415
We have three dogs,
four cats, a guinea pig.
787
00:46:54,481 --> 00:46:56,718
We have a chinchilla,
788
00:46:56,785 --> 00:46:58,385
two hamsters,
789
00:46:58,452 --> 00:47:00,689
a Russian tortoise.
790
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:04,925
We had two pigeons. They both
died. It was heartbreaking.
791
00:47:04,992 --> 00:47:07,161
We now have them
on the mantle in there.
792
00:47:07,227 --> 00:47:10,197
Uh, we had them cremated.
793
00:47:10,264 --> 00:47:12,866
And we also had another cat
named Rascal
794
00:47:12,933 --> 00:47:15,537
and the damn mail truck
ran over him a few months ago.
795
00:47:15,603 --> 00:47:17,371
Broke my kid's heart.
796
00:47:17,438 --> 00:47:19,373
Um...
797
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,843
So I think that's
the extent of our, um...
798
00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:26,046
...our menagerie here.
799
00:47:29,016 --> 00:47:30,552
Yesterday,as Brett Kimberlin headed
800
00:47:30,618 --> 00:47:33,420
back to the Marion County Jail,surrounded by newspeople,
801
00:47:33,487 --> 00:47:35,389
he claimed innocence ofthe Speedway Bombings
802
00:47:35,456 --> 00:47:36,857
and promised an appeal.
803
00:47:36,924 --> 00:47:40,628
I was in prison
for 14 or 15 years
804
00:47:40,695 --> 00:47:44,198
over the bombing case.
805
00:47:44,264 --> 00:47:47,401
I had absolutely nothing to do
with the Speedway Bombings.
806
00:47:47,468 --> 00:47:49,403
I did not commit them.
I did not build them.
807
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:52,272
I did not manufacture them.
I did not detonate them.
808
00:47:52,339 --> 00:47:54,576
I had absolutely
nothing to do with
809
00:47:54,642 --> 00:47:56,076
the death of Julia Scyphers.
810
00:47:56,143 --> 00:47:59,748
I had nothing to do with
the Burger Chef murders at all.
811
00:47:59,814 --> 00:48:01,248
I did not know those people.
812
00:48:01,315 --> 00:48:03,818
I'd never been to
that Burger Chef at all.
813
00:48:03,884 --> 00:48:06,954
That's...that's just
flat-out fact.
814
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,923
It was police
putting this garbage,
815
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:11,959
lies, false narrative,
816
00:48:12,025 --> 00:48:13,828
'fake news' as they
call it nowadays,
817
00:48:13,894 --> 00:48:16,664
into...into the media.
818
00:48:16,731 --> 00:48:18,966
And they had my pictures
819
00:48:19,032 --> 00:48:21,235
with stories involving
820
00:48:21,301 --> 00:48:23,103
the Burger Chef murders
821
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:25,807
and somehow saying
that I was involved.
822
00:48:25,874 --> 00:48:27,107
It was like 'Twilight Zone'.
823
00:48:27,174 --> 00:48:28,843
I mean, really,
this was 'The Twilight Zone'.
824
00:48:33,147 --> 00:48:36,183
Brett Kimberlin was kind of
a bogeyman in Speedway.
825
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:38,952
Bunch of folks think
it was him who killed us.
826
00:48:39,019 --> 00:48:42,189
He's a dead ringer for the
sketch of the Clean-Shaven Man.
827
00:48:45,593 --> 00:48:49,096
But there are some problems
with this theory.
828
00:48:50,732 --> 00:48:53,467
It was the '70s and a lot
of people were smoking pot.
829
00:48:53,535 --> 00:48:59,006
And there was a large market,
so I started selling pot.
830
00:48:59,072 --> 00:49:01,041
I didn't have any issues with...
831
00:49:01,108 --> 00:49:03,545
...really with customers
or with...
832
00:49:03,611 --> 00:49:05,713
...police or anything
833
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:07,515
until this whole thing...
834
00:49:07,582 --> 00:49:09,851
...you know, crashed down on me.
835
00:49:09,918 --> 00:49:13,053
But I supposedly became
a suspect in the bombings
836
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,055
and got arrested.
837
00:49:15,122 --> 00:49:17,324
I never got out after that.
838
00:49:17,391 --> 00:49:19,460
And gave me 50 years.
839
00:49:19,527 --> 00:49:22,029
He was shipping
tonnes of marijuana
840
00:49:22,095 --> 00:49:24,031
across international borders.
841
00:49:24,097 --> 00:49:27,000
So why the heck would he deal
dime bags to kids?
842
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:31,873
The fact that they never solved
the Burger Chef murders...
843
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:33,708
I'm just floored
844
00:49:33,775 --> 00:49:37,311
that four beautiful kids
could be killed
845
00:49:37,377 --> 00:49:41,148
and no-one would be
held responsible.
846
00:49:42,249 --> 00:49:46,320
You know, he wasn't even in the
gosh-darn papers at this point.
847
00:49:46,386 --> 00:49:48,188
So, how did I recognise him?
848
00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,758
And besides,
what was his motive?
849
00:50:12,981 --> 00:50:14,582
I try to force myself
850
00:50:14,649 --> 00:50:19,687
not to think about how she died.
851
00:50:19,754 --> 00:50:21,255
But a lot of times, you know,
852
00:50:21,321 --> 00:50:23,758
I just can't seem to get it
out of my head that,
853
00:50:23,825 --> 00:50:27,060
you know, she was...
laying there,
854
00:50:27,127 --> 00:50:31,398
told to...to lay face down,
and she did.
855
00:50:31,465 --> 00:50:33,467
And what was going
through her head?
856
00:50:33,535 --> 00:50:34,903
What was she thinking?
857
00:50:34,969 --> 00:50:38,305
Had they said,
"You just lay down here,
858
00:50:38,372 --> 00:50:40,240
"there's a house over there
859
00:50:40,307 --> 00:50:43,110
"that you can run to, but you've
gotta count to a hundred"?
860
00:50:43,176 --> 00:50:45,279
Or what?
861
00:50:45,345 --> 00:50:49,951
Did she believe that
she was going to be allowed
862
00:50:50,018 --> 00:50:54,488
to go somewhere, but they
wanted to get away first?
863
00:50:54,556 --> 00:50:56,156
And I just...
864
00:50:57,391 --> 00:51:01,094
That's basically my...
my nightmares.
865
00:51:01,161 --> 00:51:03,163
I don't ever...
866
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,234
You know,
867
00:51:07,301 --> 00:51:10,404
I don't ever hear the gunshot.
868
00:51:44,772 --> 00:51:48,776
Hey, Mama, uh,
can I stay and help close?
869
00:51:55,115 --> 00:51:57,417
OK. I love you, Mama.
870
00:52:00,187 --> 00:52:01,623
Uh, I can stay.
871
00:52:02,757 --> 00:52:03,825
Right on.
872
00:52:28,281 --> 00:52:31,485
The only person who ever
came forward and said,
873
00:52:31,552 --> 00:52:35,823
"I was at the Burger Chef
and I saw this,"
874
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:37,592
was Allen Pruitt.
875
00:52:37,659 --> 00:52:41,796
And we can prove beyond any
doubt whatsoever he was there.
876
00:52:42,797 --> 00:52:45,667
In late '80, or early '81,
877
00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:48,102
we were called
to the Marion County Jail.
878
00:52:48,168 --> 00:52:51,271
And a counsellor said, "Hey,
879
00:52:51,338 --> 00:52:53,675
"there's been an altercation
between Allen Pruitt
880
00:52:53,741 --> 00:52:57,745
"and the brother of one of the
victims from the Burger Chef,
881
00:52:57,812 --> 00:53:00,948
"James Friedt,
and we think you guys
882
00:53:01,015 --> 00:53:02,884
"probably need to talk to
this Allen Pruitt."
883
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:06,888
And that's how we first
became aware of him.
884
00:53:06,954 --> 00:53:11,759
He told us
a kind of a rambling story
885
00:53:11,826 --> 00:53:14,428
about being at
the Dunkin' Donuts
886
00:53:14,494 --> 00:53:17,532
next door to the
Burger Chef that night.
887
00:53:26,140 --> 00:53:28,543
Well,
I was in a cell block
888
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:32,080
and one day I heard them
announce over the intercom,
889
00:53:32,146 --> 00:53:34,716
"James Friedt,"
you know, "Come to the door."
890
00:53:34,782 --> 00:53:38,619
And I thought, "James Friedt,"
you know, I thought,
891
00:53:38,686 --> 00:53:40,988
"I wonder if that's Jayne's
brother," you know?
892
00:53:41,055 --> 00:53:44,926
I kind of recognised him
with that black curly hair
893
00:53:44,992 --> 00:53:46,928
and, you know, beard.
894
00:53:46,994 --> 00:53:50,965
I said, "Are you Jayne Friedt's
brother?"
895
00:53:51,032 --> 00:53:53,668
"Yeah, I am. What about it?"
896
00:53:54,802 --> 00:53:58,940
I said, "Word is,
I heard you got your sister
897
00:53:59,006 --> 00:54:01,943
"and them three other kids
killed up at the Burger Chef."
898
00:54:02,009 --> 00:54:03,978
"Oh, what the fuck
you talking about, man?"
899
00:54:04,045 --> 00:54:06,313
He goes, "Who the hell
did you hear that from?"
900
00:54:06,379 --> 00:54:07,749
You know, what if it is true?
901
00:54:07,815 --> 00:54:10,118
What if he did get his sister
and them kids killed?
902
00:54:10,184 --> 00:54:14,088
Because I heard back in school
days he was a coke dealer.
903
00:54:14,155 --> 00:54:16,824
You know, maybe he got
his sister involved
904
00:54:16,891 --> 00:54:19,660
and some shit went wrong.
905
00:54:19,727 --> 00:54:21,428
Now, what he says he saw,
906
00:54:21,495 --> 00:54:25,166
that's hard...
that's difficult to prove.
907
00:54:25,233 --> 00:54:26,968
Is he telling the truth?
908
00:54:27,935 --> 00:54:30,104
Gosh, I don't...I don't know.
909
00:54:34,208 --> 00:54:35,610
David Adams stopped by,
910
00:54:35,676 --> 00:54:38,012
visited at my mom
and dad's house.
911
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,148
He said, "What do you
want to do tonight?"
912
00:54:40,214 --> 00:54:41,983
I said, "Hell, man,
I don't know."
913
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:43,851
"Well, let's go get
some damn beer."
914
00:54:43,918 --> 00:54:45,853
David was driving in his Pinto
915
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,156
and I said, "David, I need to
get something to eat."
916
00:54:48,222 --> 00:54:50,525
So we go to Dunkin' Donuts.
917
00:54:50,591 --> 00:54:53,961
His ex-girlfriend
Mary Rein worked there.
918
00:54:54,028 --> 00:54:56,030
Burger Chef looked like
it was already closed,
919
00:54:56,097 --> 00:54:58,633
because they had the big
hamburger man out in front
920
00:54:58,699 --> 00:55:01,202
that they normally lit up
all the time at night,
921
00:55:01,269 --> 00:55:02,402
it was off.
922
00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,006
Now, there were lights on
in the restaurant,
923
00:55:05,072 --> 00:55:07,975
but I think a lot of places
they leave lights on like that.
924
00:55:10,578 --> 00:55:12,814
I saw that goddamn van
that night.
925
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,149
And I will never forget
that fucking van
926
00:55:15,216 --> 00:55:17,952
because of the white wheels.
927
00:55:19,053 --> 00:55:21,022
'Cause I'm thinking,
you know, I'm thinking,
928
00:55:21,088 --> 00:55:23,724
"Man, you know,
that looks fucking stupid."
929
00:55:23,791 --> 00:55:26,994
I mean, it just... It always
stood out in my head. Always.
930
00:55:27,061 --> 00:55:29,030
They were bright white.
931
00:55:29,096 --> 00:55:32,365
I remember them wheels
like it was yesterday,
932
00:55:32,432 --> 00:55:35,102
and I remember some kind of
a weird window
933
00:55:35,169 --> 00:55:37,271
on the side of that van.
934
00:55:37,337 --> 00:55:40,074
You know, it was a long
distance, and it was dark,
935
00:55:40,141 --> 00:55:42,844
and just the way
the parking light was shining
936
00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:45,279
it looked like Jeff Reed.
937
00:55:45,345 --> 00:55:47,582
Jeff Reed,
the driver of the van.
938
00:55:47,648 --> 00:55:51,185
He looked like a pro football
player, just buff, big arms,
939
00:55:51,252 --> 00:55:53,855
big chest, big neck,
you know, and I,
940
00:55:53,921 --> 00:55:56,123
"You know, he might be
a helpful buddy to have around
941
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:57,959
"just for, you know,
protection."
942
00:55:58,025 --> 00:55:59,760
You know, if somebody tries
to whoop on you.
943
00:55:59,827 --> 00:56:02,196
Well, I saw this guy
with the door open
944
00:56:02,263 --> 00:56:03,698
on the passenger door,
945
00:56:03,764 --> 00:56:05,600
and I looked and I thought,
946
00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:07,902
"Damn, I know who that is."
947
00:56:07,969 --> 00:56:09,369
Tim Willoughby.
948
00:56:09,436 --> 00:56:10,705
That was him I saw
949
00:56:10,771 --> 00:56:13,574
on the passenger side
of that van that night.
950
00:56:13,641 --> 00:56:15,776
Tim Willoughby,
I mean, he just...
951
00:56:15,843 --> 00:56:17,712
He was strange-acting.
952
00:56:17,778 --> 00:56:19,547
I mean, if you just
looked at the guy,
953
00:56:19,614 --> 00:56:21,215
you got really funny vibes.
954
00:56:26,153 --> 00:56:28,689
This is the testimony
of Allen Pruitt.
955
00:56:30,324 --> 00:56:32,760
It says here that Pruitt
was at the Dunkin' Donuts
956
00:56:32,827 --> 00:56:34,427
with his buddy, David Adams.
957
00:56:34,494 --> 00:56:36,130
He's drunk and he feels sick.
958
00:56:36,197 --> 00:56:38,065
So he goes outside for some air
959
00:56:38,132 --> 00:56:42,303
and says he "heard some racket
next door at Burger Chef there.
960
00:56:42,370 --> 00:56:44,305
"And I walked around
to the side of Dunkin' Donuts
961
00:56:44,372 --> 00:56:46,073
"to see what was going on
962
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:48,408
"and seen the orange van
sitting there."
963
00:56:50,578 --> 00:56:52,346
So this is the guy?
964
00:56:52,412 --> 00:56:55,149
If he wasn't leaning against
the wall of the Dunkin' Donuts,
965
00:56:55,216 --> 00:56:56,784
he'd fall over.
966
00:56:56,851 --> 00:56:59,253
So, it says here
that he named two guys -
967
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,357
Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby.
968
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:10,364
So let me get this straight.
969
00:57:11,532 --> 00:57:15,036
Pruitt just happens to know
the two guys who did this
970
00:57:15,102 --> 00:57:17,872
and just happens to be there
when it all goes down?
971
00:57:21,275 --> 00:57:22,543
What's it say?
972
00:57:25,546 --> 00:57:28,983
"Jeff Reed grabbed
the black boy by the back
973
00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:31,385
"and threw him
toward the van..."
974
00:57:34,722 --> 00:57:36,123
"...and went down
and hit his head
975
00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:37,825
"on the back corner of the van,
976
00:57:37,892 --> 00:57:40,460
"and I guess it either killed
him or knocked him out.
977
00:57:40,528 --> 00:57:42,663
"Jeff picked him up,
978
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:45,399
"put him in the back
of the van."
979
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:56,010
"Tim, Jayne
and the other girl..."
980
00:57:56,978 --> 00:57:58,379
That would be me.
981
00:57:58,446 --> 00:58:01,916
"...walked to the east
side of the building.
982
00:58:01,983 --> 00:58:05,252
"I seen a white Vega
pull out with him driving.
983
00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:08,089
"I seen him as they pulled
out of the parking lot."
984
00:58:08,155 --> 00:58:09,323
My car.
985
00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:11,092
That's my car! I...
986
00:58:21,102 --> 00:58:22,336
Look, the cops said
987
00:58:22,403 --> 00:58:24,705
Pruitt was the only one
who saw what happened.
988
00:58:24,772 --> 00:58:26,941
Right,
but his story's changed
989
00:58:27,008 --> 00:58:28,676
so many times over the years.
990
00:58:28,743 --> 00:58:30,378
One time he said
it might have even been
991
00:58:30,444 --> 00:58:32,947
your brother Jimmy he saw,
not Jeff Reed.
992
00:58:33,014 --> 00:58:35,383
Right, and what about the time
he said there was another car
993
00:58:35,449 --> 00:58:37,518
and two black guys?
994
00:58:37,585 --> 00:58:39,420
So why would Pruitt lie?
995
00:58:39,487 --> 00:58:40,921
Depends who you ask.
996
00:58:40,988 --> 00:58:42,356
I heard he was a lookout.
997
00:58:42,423 --> 00:58:44,191
He was in and out of jail too.
998
00:58:44,258 --> 00:58:46,260
He passed a dang polygraph.
999
00:58:46,327 --> 00:58:49,530
OK, so this is where
shit gets crazy.
1000
00:58:52,299 --> 00:58:55,136
Allen Pruitt told us,
about four in the afternoon
1001
00:58:55,202 --> 00:58:56,904
he was at this Dairy Queen
in Avon,
1002
00:58:56,971 --> 00:58:58,973
which was the local hangout.
1003
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,608
The van he had seen
1004
00:59:00,674 --> 00:59:02,743
at the Burger Chef
the night before pulled in,
1005
00:59:02,810 --> 00:59:07,481
and that Tim Willoughby
and Jeff Reed were in the van.
1006
00:59:07,548 --> 00:59:09,950
He said he got in,
and in the back of the van
1007
00:59:10,017 --> 00:59:13,487
was Tim Willoughby's girlfriend,
Mary Ann Higginbotham,
1008
00:59:13,554 --> 00:59:16,557
and that she was dishevelled,
she appeared to be high.
1009
00:59:16,624 --> 00:59:18,159
And he says that Mary Ann
1010
00:59:18,225 --> 00:59:21,328
kept rambling on about them
killing these kids,
1011
00:59:21,395 --> 00:59:23,764
and that they tried to get her
to shoot one of them,
1012
00:59:23,831 --> 00:59:26,000
so she'd be
as guilty as they were.
1013
00:59:26,067 --> 00:59:27,768
They ultimately
got out of the van
1014
00:59:27,835 --> 00:59:29,236
and that Mary Ann told him,
1015
00:59:29,303 --> 00:59:31,272
"Run, they're gonna
shoot you too."
1016
00:59:31,338 --> 00:59:33,508
And he did. He fled.
1017
00:59:33,574 --> 00:59:35,276
He said there was a gunshot.
1018
00:59:44,485 --> 00:59:46,420
It gets weirder.
1019
00:59:46,487 --> 00:59:49,590
Tim and Mary Ann couldn't
have been in the van.
1020
00:59:49,657 --> 00:59:51,892
They were meant to be dead.
1021
00:59:53,528 --> 00:59:57,498
Tim Willoughby was
supposedly dead at the time.
1022
00:59:57,566 --> 00:59:59,534
Common thought,
because his girlfriend,
1023
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,268
Mary Ann Higginbotham,
1024
01:00:01,335 --> 01:00:03,838
had been found
in Morgan County, Indiana,
1025
01:00:03,904 --> 01:00:06,307
sealed in a barrel
earlier that year.
1026
01:00:07,675 --> 01:00:10,778
The common belief
was that Tim was dead.
1027
01:00:10,845 --> 01:00:12,813
His body's never been found.
1028
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,551
And to date he's not reappeared.
1029
01:00:20,287 --> 01:00:24,859
They thought that he had
died in June of '78,
1030
01:00:24,925 --> 01:00:27,061
right before
the Burger Chef murders.
1031
01:00:30,965 --> 01:00:32,500
That's crazy, man.
1032
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,641
So, according to this,
1033
01:00:40,708 --> 01:00:42,409
they were there
to collect money from me.
1034
01:00:48,482 --> 01:00:49,683
What?
1035
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:51,553
Her brother would come up
to visit
1036
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:56,824
and they would leave the
restaurant and go get high.
1037
01:00:58,092 --> 01:01:01,295
Burger Chef was supposed to be
a drug drop in the bathrooms.
1038
01:01:03,097 --> 01:01:04,599
I was on break
1039
01:01:04,665 --> 01:01:07,868
and I went up and I bought
a hamburger for my lunch
1040
01:01:07,935 --> 01:01:10,337
and I left my wallet
on the counter.
1041
01:01:10,404 --> 01:01:12,507
Went back up, it was gone.
1042
01:01:12,574 --> 01:01:15,510
Six months later,
I'm cleaning the bathroom
1043
01:01:15,577 --> 01:01:19,079
and I look up and I see the
ceiling tile is not straight.
1044
01:01:19,146 --> 01:01:21,849
So I climb up on the toilet
to straighten it up
1045
01:01:21,916 --> 01:01:23,784
and my wallet falls out.
1046
01:01:23,851 --> 01:01:24,785
Oh.
1047
01:01:24,852 --> 01:01:26,820
Could that be the drug drop?
1048
01:01:27,922 --> 01:01:31,825
I don't know the extent
of what was going on.
1049
01:01:31,892 --> 01:01:35,530
I just know that she would
leave with him frequently,
1050
01:01:35,597 --> 01:01:37,798
be gone for 20, 25 minutes,
1051
01:01:37,865 --> 01:01:40,067
and come back
with a whole new attitude.
1052
01:01:42,269 --> 01:01:43,837
It's ridiculous.
1053
01:01:45,439 --> 01:01:47,841
So I was some sort
of drug kingpin?
1054
01:01:50,545 --> 01:01:52,446
Come on!
1055
01:01:52,514 --> 01:01:54,048
Well, what about Jimmy?
1056
01:01:55,115 --> 01:01:57,484
My brother was into some bad
shit with some bad people,
1057
01:01:57,552 --> 01:01:59,320
but I can't believe
he would let me die
1058
01:01:59,386 --> 01:02:01,388
because of a drug debt.
1059
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:04,593
Jayne had a brother,
Jimmy.
1060
01:02:04,659 --> 01:02:07,127
It was common knowledge
where he would...
1061
01:02:07,194 --> 01:02:09,797
...he would sell drugs.
1062
01:02:09,863 --> 01:02:12,233
Pot or maybe cocaine.
1063
01:02:12,299 --> 01:02:14,435
I hate to say black sheep,
but he was.
1064
01:02:14,501 --> 01:02:16,904
Would she have done
something for him?
1065
01:02:16,971 --> 01:02:19,674
Could she have got hooked up
with...with Jimmy
1066
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:23,744
and done a favour for him
and sell bags of pot
1067
01:02:23,811 --> 01:02:25,279
or something
through the drive-up?
1068
01:02:25,346 --> 01:02:28,382
Probably.
Because she did love him.
1069
01:02:31,586 --> 01:02:35,389
My theory is
that it was a drug deal...
1070
01:02:36,857 --> 01:02:38,693
...with Jayne's brother.
1071
01:02:39,661 --> 01:02:42,029
There was another side of Jayne.
1072
01:02:42,096 --> 01:02:44,932
She didn't treat
all the employees
1073
01:02:44,999 --> 01:02:47,334
very kindly all the time.
1074
01:02:47,401 --> 01:02:49,671
She could get pretty angry.
1075
01:02:49,738 --> 01:02:51,905
Pretty, um...
1076
01:02:53,841 --> 01:02:56,176
I don't know what words to say,
and I really feel bad
1077
01:02:56,243 --> 01:02:58,379
about talking bad
about somebody that has passed,
1078
01:02:58,445 --> 01:03:03,484
but she could get
in your face and I've...
1079
01:03:03,551 --> 01:03:06,655
She pointed her finger
in my face a few times.
1080
01:03:06,721 --> 01:03:10,357
At one point,
she left the restaurant
1081
01:03:10,424 --> 01:03:12,059
during working hours.
1082
01:03:12,126 --> 01:03:14,895
It was night, we were closed,
we were cleaning up,
1083
01:03:14,962 --> 01:03:17,298
and she was going to walk out
of the restaurant
1084
01:03:17,364 --> 01:03:18,566
for a little while.
1085
01:03:18,633 --> 01:03:21,235
And she got in my face
and pointed her finger.
1086
01:03:21,302 --> 01:03:24,905
"Don't you tell a soul that
I'm leaving, and if you do,
1087
01:03:24,972 --> 01:03:27,341
"I will make your life
a living hell when I get back."
1088
01:03:27,408 --> 01:03:29,611
What about your brother?
1089
01:03:30,911 --> 01:03:33,548
He does time for armed robbery
a few years from now.
1090
01:03:33,615 --> 01:03:35,816
And the apartment building
where you live
1091
01:03:35,883 --> 01:03:38,687
is basically a halfway house
for every crook in Speedway.
1092
01:03:38,753 --> 01:03:39,820
Jayne, stop.
1093
01:03:39,887 --> 01:03:42,056
OK, the black guys did it.
Nice.
1094
01:03:42,122 --> 01:03:43,891
When they dusted
my car for prints,
1095
01:03:43,957 --> 01:03:45,459
the only one
they found besides mine
1096
01:03:45,527 --> 01:03:47,361
belonged to a buddy
of your brother,
1097
01:03:47,428 --> 01:03:48,763
so get off your high horse.
1098
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:49,897
Guys!
1099
01:03:49,963 --> 01:03:51,498
I'm sorry if this offends you,
1100
01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:53,568
but we keep hearing
this shit about you.
1101
01:03:53,635 --> 01:03:55,235
Is it true?
1102
01:03:55,302 --> 01:03:57,404
- Did you owe people money?
- Hey!
1103
01:03:57,471 --> 01:03:59,808
This is not helping.
1104
01:04:01,609 --> 01:04:03,812
Danny's right, guys.
1105
01:04:12,953 --> 01:04:15,590
We want to believe you,
Jayne, but we keep hearing shit.
1106
01:04:15,657 --> 01:04:17,458
We can't look at
this whole thing
1107
01:04:17,525 --> 01:04:19,059
without looking at you too.
1108
01:04:20,294 --> 01:04:23,897
But people talk about me like
I was living two goddamn lives.
1109
01:04:25,366 --> 01:04:28,302
I was just trying to work
stuff out like everyone else.
1110
01:04:28,369 --> 01:04:31,372
I just wanna go home.
Just like all of you.
1111
01:04:34,141 --> 01:04:37,812
I'm not just some footnote
in a murder mystery.
1112
01:04:38,847 --> 01:04:41,315
Some curio for people
to speculate about.
1113
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:44,786
"Oh, I knew that girl who died
at the Burger Chef,"
1114
01:04:44,853 --> 01:04:46,821
or, "I took AP Bio
with that dead girl."
1115
01:04:46,887 --> 01:04:48,389
I'm me!
1116
01:04:50,991 --> 01:04:53,127
I feel like that,
a lot of times,
1117
01:04:53,193 --> 01:04:56,463
we hear all about
the bad people's names
1118
01:04:56,531 --> 01:04:59,834
and their lives
and what they were into.
1119
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:05,139
And then we call
everyone else the victim.
1120
01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:06,541
Um...
1121
01:05:08,409 --> 01:05:10,344
That's not... That's not right.
1122
01:05:10,411 --> 01:05:11,813
They weren't victims.
1123
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,983
They were my sister, Ruth,
1124
01:05:16,049 --> 01:05:18,853
her manager, Jayne,
1125
01:05:18,919 --> 01:05:21,321
Mark and Danny.
1126
01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:24,692
Nobody had 'victim'
across their name tag.
1127
01:05:24,759 --> 01:05:27,595
Why are we notarising
1128
01:05:27,662 --> 01:05:30,865
the people who may have
been responsible
1129
01:05:30,931 --> 01:05:34,101
and forgetting that the people
that they killed
1130
01:05:34,168 --> 01:05:36,403
were real people?
1131
01:05:38,673 --> 01:05:40,708
You know,
I used to wear ankle weights
1132
01:05:40,775 --> 01:05:42,276
under my pants every day
1133
01:05:42,342 --> 01:05:45,245
so I could jump higher
on the basketball court.
1134
01:05:47,047 --> 01:05:49,551
I remember I'd take them off
at the end of the day
1135
01:05:49,617 --> 01:05:51,820
and I felt so light
it's like I could fly.
1136
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,222
Dang, I wish I felt
like that right now.
1137
01:05:57,458 --> 01:05:59,627
Did it work?
1138
01:05:59,694 --> 01:06:01,995
Yeah, but I got cut
from the team
1139
01:06:02,062 --> 01:06:03,798
'cause I wouldn't cut my hair.
1140
01:06:03,865 --> 01:06:05,767
Believe that?
1141
01:06:12,807 --> 01:06:14,509
There's another witness.
1142
01:06:15,476 --> 01:06:16,678
Jean Bland.
1143
01:06:19,112 --> 01:06:21,315
We were driving
down Crawfordsville Road.
1144
01:06:21,381 --> 01:06:22,917
We slowed down
1145
01:06:22,983 --> 01:06:25,687
and tried to kind of see
what was going on.
1146
01:06:25,753 --> 01:06:30,257
And that's when I noticed
a single-file line of kids
1147
01:06:30,324 --> 01:06:33,260
walking to a van
from the side door.
1148
01:06:33,327 --> 01:06:35,262
I see a man in the lead,
1149
01:06:35,329 --> 01:06:37,331
and then there was someone
holding the door open
1150
01:06:37,397 --> 01:06:38,867
for them to walk out of.
1151
01:06:38,933 --> 01:06:42,704
And I told my husband
and my sister-in-law,
1152
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:44,906
"There's something strange
about that."
1153
01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:46,941
The next morning
we saw the news,
1154
01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:50,612
and he immediately called
the Speedway Police Department.
1155
01:06:50,678 --> 01:06:52,112
Spoke to him one time.
1156
01:06:52,179 --> 01:06:54,816
From that point on,
we never heard anything else.
1157
01:06:57,619 --> 01:06:59,353
Every time they had
an anniversary,
1158
01:06:59,419 --> 01:07:02,456
my husband would call in again
and he'd be like,
1159
01:07:02,524 --> 01:07:05,158
"We seen this.
1160
01:07:05,225 --> 01:07:07,227
"We could tell you
the colour of the van,
1161
01:07:07,294 --> 01:07:08,796
"the description of the person."
1162
01:07:08,863 --> 01:07:12,901
He's like, "Why hasn't
anybody talked to me?
1163
01:07:12,967 --> 01:07:14,636
"We have pertinent information
1164
01:07:14,702 --> 01:07:17,906
"that could have helped you
locate these people."
1165
01:07:17,972 --> 01:07:21,709
She and her husband tried
for years to talk to them,
1166
01:07:21,776 --> 01:07:23,711
but the police didn't care.
1167
01:07:29,651 --> 01:07:31,285
So it couldn't
have been long
1168
01:07:31,351 --> 01:07:33,420
that they must have
got them in the van,
1169
01:07:33,487 --> 01:07:37,424
he ran out and got in the van,
because they caught up with us.
1170
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:41,461
I seen the side view,
his profile,
1171
01:07:41,529 --> 01:07:43,163
his hair colour.
1172
01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:45,165
It looked like
he had dark sideburns,
1173
01:07:45,232 --> 01:07:46,568
which could have been a beard,
1174
01:07:46,634 --> 01:07:48,603
'cause I didn't see
the front of his face.
1175
01:07:49,637 --> 01:07:52,006
But they turned right
on Lynhurst,
1176
01:07:52,072 --> 01:07:55,208
disappeared into the night,
and we went on home.
1177
01:07:57,745 --> 01:08:02,316
Was Tim Willoughby alive
November 17, 1978?
1178
01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:03,751
I don't know.
1179
01:08:03,818 --> 01:08:07,087
I know that Allen Pruitt says
that's who he saw there.
1180
01:08:08,088 --> 01:08:09,991
If he's lying about this,
1181
01:08:10,058 --> 01:08:12,694
he needs to have the courage
to come up and say,
1182
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,261
"I heard some yelling
over there,
1183
01:08:14,328 --> 01:08:16,731
"but I have no idea
what was going on."
1184
01:08:18,265 --> 01:08:19,701
Maybe I was talking shit,
1185
01:08:19,767 --> 01:08:22,135
you know, because, you know,
I was just pissing them off,
1186
01:08:22,202 --> 01:08:25,540
because all they kept doing was
harassing the hell out of me.
1187
01:08:25,607 --> 01:08:27,107
And, my God, did that
1188
01:08:27,174 --> 01:08:30,511
just make my blood pressure
roll right there.
1189
01:08:30,578 --> 01:08:33,648
I mean, the hell they had put me
and David Adams through,
1190
01:08:33,715 --> 01:08:36,050
almost a year worth
of harassment,
1191
01:08:36,116 --> 01:08:37,885
polygraph tests.
1192
01:08:37,952 --> 01:08:40,187
Because I did not like cops, OK?
1193
01:08:40,253 --> 01:08:41,656
They all acted like,
1194
01:08:41,723 --> 01:08:45,893
"Oh, we know you guys did it
and we're gonna prove it."
1195
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,494
We couldn't afford lawyers,
you know?
1196
01:08:47,562 --> 01:08:48,529
We were poor kids.
1197
01:08:48,596 --> 01:08:49,564
And, you know,
1198
01:08:49,631 --> 01:08:51,032
we were really
getting to the point
1199
01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:52,299
where we was getting scared
1200
01:08:52,366 --> 01:08:54,167
if we said, you know,
the wrong damn word,
1201
01:08:54,234 --> 01:08:56,470
you know, they're gonna
use it against us.
1202
01:08:58,271 --> 01:09:02,010
I will never, to the day
they put me in a grave,
1203
01:09:02,076 --> 01:09:05,079
I will never forget
that frickin' van.
1204
01:09:05,145 --> 01:09:06,246
Never.
1205
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,818
If there's anything I can do
to help with this case,
1206
01:09:10,885 --> 01:09:13,087
I'm here for that reason.
1207
01:09:13,153 --> 01:09:15,056
We know he was there.
1208
01:09:15,123 --> 01:09:17,391
He's the only person
that ever said,
1209
01:09:17,457 --> 01:09:19,961
"I was there," that we can
prove was at the restaurant.
1210
01:09:20,028 --> 01:09:22,063
If he's got some involvement
beyond that,
1211
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:27,501
I hope that, before he dies, he
has enough courage to confess.
1212
01:09:30,071 --> 01:09:33,708
Somebody has carried this...
this secret for 40 years,
1213
01:09:33,775 --> 01:09:36,744
and...and it's time.
1214
01:09:36,811 --> 01:09:40,515
It's time to...to unload
that...that secret, that burden,
1215
01:09:40,581 --> 01:09:42,850
and give us that...
1216
01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:45,385
...give us that piece of
information that we need
1217
01:09:45,452 --> 01:09:49,389
to be able to, uh, to hold
somebody accountable for this.
1218
01:10:23,558 --> 01:10:25,693
Hey, Mama, I'm just
calling you to tell you
1219
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,929
that I have to stay tonight.
1220
01:10:27,995 --> 01:10:29,597
Alright.
1221
01:10:29,664 --> 01:10:31,364
OK.
1222
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,869
I love you.
1223
01:10:41,676 --> 01:10:43,077
He had called
1224
01:10:43,144 --> 01:10:45,813
'cause he wasn't supposed to
work till only 10 o'clock.
1225
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,616
That's the state law,
'cause he's 16.
1226
01:10:48,683 --> 01:10:50,785
And he called us and said
1227
01:10:50,852 --> 01:10:55,288
could he work another hour
or so to help her close up.
1228
01:10:55,355 --> 01:10:59,894
And we conferred, said,
"Well, yeah, go ahead."
1229
01:10:59,961 --> 01:11:01,929
'Cause he said, "I want
the money for Christmas.
1230
01:11:01,996 --> 01:11:03,765
"Christmas presents."
1231
01:11:05,032 --> 01:11:06,634
So you kind of blame yourself
for that.
1232
01:11:06,701 --> 01:11:08,102
You know, why...why
did you tell him...
1233
01:11:08,169 --> 01:11:10,538
Why didn't you tell him,
"Come on home," but I didn't.
1234
01:11:10,605 --> 01:11:12,372
And we both agreed,
1235
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,307
you know, for him
to go ahead and work.
1236
01:11:15,342 --> 01:11:16,611
I can stay.
1237
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,822
This is where the rubber
meets the racetrack.
1238
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:51,205
Back in the 1970s,
we went to the racetrack,
1239
01:12:51,272 --> 01:12:53,241
the track was open
the whole month of May,
1240
01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:54,609
so we had a little clique
1241
01:12:54,675 --> 01:12:56,443
that we called
the Riff Raff Social Club.
1242
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:59,146
And our whole clique
was race fans,
1243
01:12:59,213 --> 01:13:02,116
and basically
the whole month of May,
1244
01:13:02,183 --> 01:13:04,085
pretty much partied constantly.
1245
01:13:04,151 --> 01:13:06,120
So that's what we did.
1246
01:13:06,187 --> 01:13:09,891
The parties in the Snake Pit
were pretty radical.
1247
01:13:09,957 --> 01:13:13,828
I mean, it was tits and ass
and beer and weed.
1248
01:13:13,895 --> 01:13:16,898
We had a lot of fun and it was
different women every night,
1249
01:13:16,964 --> 01:13:18,666
different women every day,
so, yeah,
1250
01:13:18,733 --> 01:13:20,668
but we...we had a...
we had a good time,
1251
01:13:20,735 --> 01:13:22,837
probably more fun
than we were supposed to have.
1252
01:13:22,904 --> 01:13:26,974
We called Jeff Reed
the Mayor of the Snake Pit.
1253
01:13:27,041 --> 01:13:29,777
He pretty much was the enforcer.
1254
01:13:29,844 --> 01:13:31,411
If anybody had any problems,
1255
01:13:31,478 --> 01:13:34,282
well, Jeff was the one to go to
to take care of the problems.
1256
01:13:34,348 --> 01:13:36,918
He was a big teddy bear
that'd have your back
1257
01:13:36,984 --> 01:13:40,021
and he was a trusted friend
if you were in his side.
1258
01:13:40,087 --> 01:13:42,189
You had his back,
he definitely had your back.
1259
01:13:42,256 --> 01:13:43,624
He could be like
the Incredible Hulk.
1260
01:13:43,691 --> 01:13:45,326
He could be real nice
one minute,
1261
01:13:45,393 --> 01:13:46,894
and if you pissed him off,
1262
01:13:46,961 --> 01:13:49,429
he could be very, very mean
the next, so...
1263
01:13:49,496 --> 01:13:51,966
There had been times
where he had hurt people.
1264
01:13:52,033 --> 01:13:54,434
He was always bigger and badder
than everybody else.
1265
01:14:10,217 --> 01:14:12,653
Yeah, that's the van,
no doubt about it.
1266
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,487
The one I saw at
the Burger Chef that night,
1267
01:14:14,555 --> 01:14:16,991
which I want to make this
absolutely clear, OK?
1268
01:14:17,058 --> 01:14:19,060
I always said it was orange,
1269
01:14:19,126 --> 01:14:21,529
but I've learned over the years
1270
01:14:21,595 --> 01:14:25,666
when something is sitting
under these parking-lot lights,
1271
01:14:25,733 --> 01:14:28,836
it puts off, like,
an orange cast.
1272
01:14:28,903 --> 01:14:30,671
To me, it looked like
a rust colour.
1273
01:14:30,738 --> 01:14:32,540
My husband always said
it was a light colour,
1274
01:14:32,606 --> 01:14:37,311
but I remember, like,
a rust-ish coloured van.
1275
01:14:38,746 --> 01:14:41,182
I think it would have
taken a large vehicle.
1276
01:14:41,248 --> 01:14:43,317
It's very likely
that something like a van
1277
01:14:43,384 --> 01:14:45,485
was involved in that crime.
1278
01:14:46,486 --> 01:14:51,726
Jeff had a yellow-ish Ford van
back in the day that he drove.
1279
01:14:51,792 --> 01:14:54,228
Econoline.
I think it was an Econoline van.
1280
01:14:54,295 --> 01:14:56,030
We used it quite often.
1281
01:14:56,097 --> 01:14:58,666
It was nice to have something
you could put everybody in
1282
01:14:58,733 --> 01:15:00,334
and take it to one place.
1283
01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:09,844
If they can't even get
1284
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:11,245
the colour of the van right,
then...
1285
01:15:11,312 --> 01:15:13,347
- Wait!
- What?
1286
01:15:19,787 --> 01:15:21,789
Light, dark.
1287
01:15:21,856 --> 01:15:24,792
Red, orange, yellow.
1288
01:15:24,859 --> 01:15:26,494
It's the same van.
1289
01:15:27,628 --> 01:15:29,797
They all saw the same van.
1290
01:15:29,864 --> 01:15:32,433
When it came in, it looked dark.
1291
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:34,769
And then orange
because of the light.
1292
01:15:34,835 --> 01:15:37,738
And then yellow
as it catches the light
1293
01:15:37,805 --> 01:15:39,640
from the inside
of the restaurant.
1294
01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:40,875
Right.
1295
01:15:42,511 --> 01:15:45,079
So in a discussion
with Mark Reed
1296
01:15:45,146 --> 01:15:46,781
in regards to his brother, Jeff,
1297
01:15:46,847 --> 01:15:48,416
he does claim that he had
a vehicle
1298
01:15:48,482 --> 01:15:49,984
that very closely
matches that description -
1299
01:15:50,051 --> 01:15:53,054
a '70s model Ford Econoline,
1300
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,123
a yellow colour
but with a red primer as well.
1301
01:15:56,190 --> 01:15:57,892
So especially
under certain lights,
1302
01:15:57,958 --> 01:16:01,095
you could certainly mistake it
for lots of different colours
1303
01:16:01,162 --> 01:16:02,229
in that spectrum.
1304
01:16:02,296 --> 01:16:03,798
Which makes it very interesting,
1305
01:16:03,864 --> 01:16:05,332
because Allen Pruitt
mentioned a van
1306
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,801
that was orange in colour,
1307
01:16:06,867 --> 01:16:09,737
as well as one being
that kind of make and model.
1308
01:16:28,523 --> 01:16:30,458
There's supposedly footage,
1309
01:16:30,525 --> 01:16:32,893
that I don't know
that any of us have seen,
1310
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,261
while a news crew
1311
01:16:34,328 --> 01:16:36,363
was filming the Burger Chef
following the murders
1312
01:16:36,430 --> 01:16:39,433
where a man that fit the
description of the Bearded Man
1313
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,969
was seen in an orange van
1314
01:16:42,036 --> 01:16:44,872
and then out up near
the Burger Chef building.
1315
01:16:44,939 --> 01:16:46,373
And kind of
as soon as he realised
1316
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:47,875
the cameras were on him,
1317
01:16:47,942 --> 01:16:49,511
kind of got skittish
about being there.
1318
01:16:49,578 --> 01:16:51,045
You know, kind of claimed
1319
01:16:51,112 --> 01:16:53,614
that they really shouldn't get
him on camera and took off.
1320
01:17:10,131 --> 01:17:12,032
Well, we hung out
at White Castle.
1321
01:17:12,099 --> 01:17:13,501
It was like a hangout
1322
01:17:13,568 --> 01:17:15,836
for everybody in the evenings
or whatever.
1323
01:17:15,903 --> 01:17:20,908
And Jeff had came up to me and
he seemed a little distraught
1324
01:17:20,975 --> 01:17:24,078
and wanted to...wanted to talk.
1325
01:17:24,145 --> 01:17:25,913
So, he said there was something
1326
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:27,549
that he really needed
to talk about.
1327
01:17:27,616 --> 01:17:29,551
And I could tell by Jeff,
he wasn't the type
1328
01:17:29,618 --> 01:17:32,019
that was real loose with his
tongue or even, you know,
1329
01:17:32,086 --> 01:17:33,654
worried about anything.
1330
01:17:33,721 --> 01:17:35,890
So I said, "Yeah, well,
we can talk."
1331
01:17:35,956 --> 01:17:38,593
We went back to my house
at the time,
1332
01:17:38,659 --> 01:17:42,930
and said that he
was in some trouble
1333
01:17:42,997 --> 01:17:46,901
and didn't know really quite
what to do about it.
1334
01:17:46,967 --> 01:17:48,402
But I think he was more or less
1335
01:17:48,469 --> 01:17:50,337
trying to get it off his chest
a little bit
1336
01:17:50,404 --> 01:17:52,373
to relieve
some of the, you know,
1337
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,408
what was going through
on his mind.
1338
01:17:54,475 --> 01:17:56,410
And I don't know who else
he even told.
1339
01:17:56,477 --> 01:17:58,212
I might have been the only one.
1340
01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:00,014
I'm still reluctant
to tell you this now.
1341
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,283
But I think everybody
that knew Jeff well enough
1342
01:18:02,349 --> 01:18:04,118
knew if you did talk,
1343
01:18:04,185 --> 01:18:07,354
then something bad
would happen to you.
1344
01:18:07,421 --> 01:18:09,089
Like I said,
it's been a true...
1345
01:18:09,156 --> 01:18:11,593
...a true secret
that I've held for 40 years.
1346
01:18:11,660 --> 01:18:15,362
And he said, "Well, I had...
I was there that night
1347
01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:18,299
"and...I really don't know
what to do."
1348
01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:21,302
So I just kind of stepped back
and I didn't know what he meant.
1349
01:18:21,368 --> 01:18:22,803
I just thought
maybe he was there
1350
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:25,072
as, you know, a customer,
1351
01:18:25,139 --> 01:18:27,609
and to my disbelief,
1352
01:18:27,676 --> 01:18:30,477
he actually said that he was...
1353
01:18:30,545 --> 01:18:32,913
...was the one that was
responsible for it.
1354
01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:34,748
I think Jeff knew that...
1355
01:18:34,815 --> 01:18:37,484
...had possibly drove by
and seen her car there
1356
01:18:37,552 --> 01:18:39,086
or whatever and said, "Hey!
1357
01:18:39,153 --> 01:18:41,422
"I know this person
owes some money.
1358
01:18:41,488 --> 01:18:45,092
"If I can get it,
then all the better."
1359
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:48,295
And like I said,
the domino effect started,
1360
01:18:48,362 --> 01:18:51,966
and it just...
it went just south real quick
1361
01:18:52,032 --> 01:18:55,936
when somebody stuck their nose
into somebody else's business.
1362
01:19:02,409 --> 01:19:04,011
Hey.
1363
01:19:04,078 --> 01:19:05,246
Guys?
1364
01:19:05,312 --> 01:19:06,947
Look.
1365
01:19:08,849 --> 01:19:10,284
Jeff Reed?
1366
01:19:10,351 --> 01:19:12,886
They're all
the same guy.
1367
01:19:15,489 --> 01:19:17,324
The guy Pruitt saw
is the same guy
1368
01:19:17,391 --> 01:19:19,193
who confessed to his buddy,
Tim Boyer.
1369
01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:21,596
You can ask me when I'm dead
and gone,
1370
01:19:21,663 --> 01:19:24,599
if I get sent to hell,
I will always say
1371
01:19:24,666 --> 01:19:26,967
it looked like
Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby.
1372
01:19:27,034 --> 01:19:29,970
And I'll never change that.
Never.
1373
01:19:30,037 --> 01:19:33,440
And the guy that Jean lady
saw driving.
1374
01:19:33,508 --> 01:19:36,277
Yes, I'm certain
this is the guy.
1375
01:19:36,343 --> 01:19:39,013
'Cause I have a really
good memory for faces.
1376
01:19:39,079 --> 01:19:40,649
You don't forget that.
1377
01:19:40,715 --> 01:19:43,150
And the one
the Dunkin' Donuts chick
1378
01:19:43,217 --> 01:19:44,785
said was behind the restaurant.
1379
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:48,789
Now, out of these pictures...
1380
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:53,628
...this one is the one that
resembles the Bearded Man
1381
01:19:53,695 --> 01:19:56,230
that came up to us that night.
1382
01:19:56,297 --> 01:19:58,932
I'll never forget
the eyes and the nose.
1383
01:20:01,468 --> 01:20:03,738
The person
in this 30-second video,
1384
01:20:03,804 --> 01:20:07,007
I cannot say
with 100% certainty,
1385
01:20:07,074 --> 01:20:12,346
but he bears a striking
resemblance to Jeff Reed.
1386
01:20:15,816 --> 01:20:17,351
He was never charged.
1387
01:20:28,095 --> 01:20:31,865
The person with him was
a fellow named Tim Willoughby.
1388
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:37,037
He said that he went to
Burger Chef to collect a debt.
1389
01:20:39,507 --> 01:20:42,577
They owed money to Brett
Kimberlin, the Speedway Bomber,
1390
01:20:42,644 --> 01:20:44,211
which was who a lot of us
1391
01:20:44,278 --> 01:20:47,047
were getting our marijuana
from at the time.
1392
01:20:51,352 --> 01:20:53,187
While trying to
collect the debt,
1393
01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:55,623
an individual
came running at him
1394
01:20:55,690 --> 01:20:57,958
in...in a threatening way.
1395
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,543
And I guess Jeff,
in his usual fashion,
1396
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:17,077
knocked him out.
1397
01:21:28,055 --> 01:21:30,759
He thought that
he might have killed him.
1398
01:21:30,825 --> 01:21:32,794
And after doing so,
1399
01:21:32,861 --> 01:21:36,430
things started going totally
sideways and he didn't know...
1400
01:21:36,497 --> 01:21:38,833
Well, everybody's
adrenaline would jump in
1401
01:21:38,899 --> 01:21:41,268
and just straight panic.
1402
01:21:42,302 --> 01:21:45,439
He said they took the guy and
put him in the back of the van.
1403
01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:48,342
And at this point, he tried
to gather his thoughts,
1404
01:21:48,409 --> 01:21:49,644
looks up, and I guess
1405
01:21:49,711 --> 01:21:52,346
there's all the people in...
in the Burger Chef
1406
01:21:52,413 --> 01:21:53,981
staring out the window.
1407
01:21:54,047 --> 01:21:58,586
And so,
in the frantic state he was in,
1408
01:21:58,653 --> 01:22:00,688
collects the employees.
1409
01:22:00,755 --> 01:22:02,956
He said he stuck them in
the cooler or something there
1410
01:22:03,023 --> 01:22:05,159
to kind of contain them
so he could get his thoughts
1411
01:22:05,225 --> 01:22:07,094
on what he was
actually going to do.
1412
01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:20,274
The car that was at
the Burger Chef,
1413
01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:21,942
they didn't want to
leave it there,
1414
01:22:22,009 --> 01:22:24,044
so he called somebody
to come pick the car up
1415
01:22:24,111 --> 01:22:26,146
to get it out of sight
and sell it.
1416
01:22:26,213 --> 01:22:29,283
We had some people
that would chop cars,
1417
01:22:29,349 --> 01:22:31,619
but I don't think
that they actually knew
1418
01:22:31,686 --> 01:22:33,855
that it was urgent.
1419
01:22:33,922 --> 01:22:37,725
And during this time,
I guess he decided
1420
01:22:37,792 --> 01:22:41,395
that, from what I understand,
1421
01:22:41,462 --> 01:22:44,131
he was going to take them
on a ride,
1422
01:22:44,198 --> 01:22:45,533
you know what I mean?
1423
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,869
And take them out
to the woods or whatever.
1424
01:22:47,936 --> 01:22:51,739
And his initial thought
was to drop them off,
1425
01:22:51,806 --> 01:22:53,842
you know what I mean,
just to get away
1426
01:22:53,908 --> 01:22:55,610
and then figure out what to do
afterwards.
1427
01:22:56,744 --> 01:22:58,813
And things went sideways
1428
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,482
and I don't know exactly, he
didn't tell me what happened,
1429
01:23:01,549 --> 01:23:04,719
but somebody evidently
tried to escape
1430
01:23:04,786 --> 01:23:07,254
or assault him
or...or something,
1431
01:23:07,321 --> 01:23:11,358
and he ended up
having to hurt the people.
1432
01:23:24,471 --> 01:23:27,040
I know the police said...
or the reporter had said
1433
01:23:27,107 --> 01:23:29,243
that one of the individuals
1434
01:23:29,309 --> 01:23:31,679
I guess they'd thought
had run into a tree
1435
01:23:31,746 --> 01:23:34,281
and killed himself,
and Jeff laughed about that
1436
01:23:34,348 --> 01:23:35,917
and said, "No, it was
a Louisville Slugger
1437
01:23:35,984 --> 01:23:38,553
"that he got hit with."
1438
01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:51,465
On the drive back
from Johnson County,
1439
01:23:51,533 --> 01:23:53,100
he drove around for a while
1440
01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:56,871
and they put the weapons
in a bag
1441
01:23:56,938 --> 01:24:02,109
and dropped it in a field
in Hendricks County,
1442
01:24:02,175 --> 01:24:05,312
which...the area where he said
1443
01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:07,749
would be a big retail store.
1444
01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:21,996
I've never seen the police.
I never talked to the police.
1445
01:24:22,062 --> 01:24:23,463
They never questioned me.
1446
01:24:23,531 --> 01:24:26,266
From what I understand,
they didn't question anybody.
1447
01:24:26,333 --> 01:24:29,971
I've kept this
under my hat for 40 years.
1448
01:24:30,038 --> 01:24:31,673
I have kids now, grandkids.
1449
01:24:31,739 --> 01:24:34,509
I believe there is
a time for closure
1450
01:24:34,576 --> 01:24:35,977
for the families.
1451
01:24:36,044 --> 01:24:40,447
It was just a bad...
a bad day, a bad, bad scene
1452
01:24:40,515 --> 01:24:42,482
that went totally,
totally, totally bad.
1453
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,752
The number one killer
of people in America
1454
01:24:44,819 --> 01:24:47,187
is meddling
in people's business.
1455
01:24:48,155 --> 01:24:50,758
Like, kind of
what happened there.
1456
01:27:40,862 --> 01:27:42,930
It was after 1986
1457
01:27:42,997 --> 01:27:46,500
Jeff Reed got arrested
in Hendricks County.
1458
01:27:46,567 --> 01:27:48,301
I became aware of it.
1459
01:27:48,368 --> 01:27:51,606
Somebody from the jail knew
that I was interested in him.
1460
01:27:51,672 --> 01:27:54,108
He didn't have any money. He
didn't have any place to stay.
1461
01:27:54,175 --> 01:27:58,513
I got a voucher
from a community group
1462
01:27:58,579 --> 01:28:00,882
that puts up travellers
and stuff that are destitute.
1463
01:28:00,948 --> 01:28:02,517
Got him a room.
1464
01:28:02,583 --> 01:28:06,286
Picked him up the next morning
and bought him breakfast.
1465
01:28:06,353 --> 01:28:09,322
I actually lied to him.
I told him I was retired.
1466
01:28:09,389 --> 01:28:11,726
I said, "Hey, I just want to
know the answer to this."
1467
01:28:11,793 --> 01:28:14,896
And I went through
what I believed happened
1468
01:28:14,962 --> 01:28:18,699
and, you know,
accused him of murder.
1469
01:28:18,766 --> 01:28:20,168
Didn't read him his rights.
1470
01:28:20,234 --> 01:28:22,003
I said, "It's gonna be
between you and me.
1471
01:28:22,069 --> 01:28:23,638
"I want to know the answer
is all.
1472
01:28:23,704 --> 01:28:25,405
"The only reason
we're sitting here."
1473
01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:27,474
He never said one word.
1474
01:28:29,911 --> 01:28:33,881
I know if somebody was accusing
me of a quadruple murder,
1475
01:28:33,948 --> 01:28:35,650
I would have had something
to say.
1476
01:28:35,716 --> 01:28:37,552
He never said a word.
1477
01:28:37,618 --> 01:28:41,222
I gave him a ride to somewhere
and dropped him off,
1478
01:28:41,289 --> 01:28:43,157
and I never saw him again.
1479
01:28:43,224 --> 01:28:46,326
I think we've been close.
1480
01:28:46,393 --> 01:28:50,064
We just, we don't have the
evidence to prove anything,
1481
01:28:50,131 --> 01:28:53,067
and you don't have...
1482
01:28:53,134 --> 01:28:55,402
...don't have the forensics
to back things up,
1483
01:28:55,468 --> 01:28:59,173
you're just, you're...you're,
uh, paddling upstream.
1484
01:29:00,308 --> 01:29:01,742
It's real frustrating.
1485
01:29:01,809 --> 01:29:05,213
But it's not near
as frustrating...
1486
01:29:17,859 --> 01:29:19,359
Give me just a second.
1487
01:29:23,631 --> 01:29:26,033
The family members.
1488
01:29:27,001 --> 01:29:30,037
It's more frustrating
for them not knowing.
1489
01:29:30,104 --> 01:29:32,573
It's... It's not fair.
1490
01:29:46,854 --> 01:29:48,656
These were children,
1491
01:29:48,723 --> 01:29:52,059
and you just looked at them
and decided
1492
01:29:52,126 --> 01:29:55,763
that their lives didn't matter
and took that away.
1493
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:58,332
My mother used to cry
about the fact
1494
01:29:58,398 --> 01:30:01,335
that they didn't just take
her daughter away,
1495
01:30:01,401 --> 01:30:03,403
they took all of
her grandchildren away.
1496
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:08,843
I feel that Ruth
was just an innocent person
1497
01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:12,847
that...that shouldn't have
been in that situation.
1498
01:30:12,914 --> 01:30:16,817
No-one should have been
in this situation.
1499
01:30:16,884 --> 01:30:19,419
She just was unlucky enough
1500
01:30:19,486 --> 01:30:22,156
to have been at work that night
1501
01:30:22,223 --> 01:30:25,927
and paid the ultimate price
for it.
1502
01:30:27,528 --> 01:30:31,198
I don't know what closure
feels like. It's...
1503
01:30:31,265 --> 01:30:32,833
It depends on the day.
1504
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:36,003
You know, one day,
I can be fine,
1505
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:39,173
and then the weather's
gonna change soon
1506
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,775
and it's gonna get colder,
1507
01:30:40,841 --> 01:30:42,777
and then I'm gonna start
having nightmares again.
1508
01:30:43,945 --> 01:30:45,046
And...
1509
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:47,882
So...
1510
01:30:47,949 --> 01:30:50,384
...then there isn't closure
at that time.
1511
01:30:56,424 --> 01:30:57,825
I believe...
1512
01:30:59,226 --> 01:31:01,195
...I believe the case
is solvable.
1513
01:31:01,262 --> 01:31:03,965
40 years is a long time.
1514
01:31:04,031 --> 01:31:07,335
But I do believe
that it's possible
1515
01:31:07,401 --> 01:31:08,903
to hold somebody accountable.
1516
01:31:15,109 --> 01:31:16,644
OK. OK.
1517
01:31:21,582 --> 01:31:23,250
My name's Ginger Anderson.
1518
01:31:23,317 --> 01:31:25,653
I worked with your son
at Burger Chef, yes.
1519
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:26,921
I just wanted to say hello.
1520
01:31:30,591 --> 01:31:33,327
Happy, friendly,
loving, kind.
1521
01:31:33,394 --> 01:31:35,062
-Big-hearted.
-Yeah.
1522
01:31:35,129 --> 01:31:37,665
-Well, thanks.
-Always a smile on her face.
1523
01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:40,067
Wherever life took her,
1524
01:31:40,134 --> 01:31:42,536
it changed the way we lived,
though, didn't it?
1525
01:31:42,603 --> 01:31:43,871
It did.
1526
01:31:43,938 --> 01:31:46,774
Changed my outlook on life some.
1527
01:31:46,841 --> 01:31:48,342
Definitely.
1528
01:31:49,443 --> 01:31:50,611
So...
1529
01:31:52,146 --> 01:31:54,615
...something you just
never forget.
1530
01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:59,787
He was very friendly,
had a great heart.
1531
01:31:59,854 --> 01:32:02,156
You know, good attitude
about life.
1532
01:32:03,357 --> 01:32:06,427
Once, you know, we began
going to school together,
1533
01:32:06,494 --> 01:32:10,898
you really get to know a person,
and that was my friend.
1534
01:32:13,634 --> 01:32:15,102
He was just a happy kid.
1535
01:32:15,169 --> 01:32:16,971
He woke up smiling.
He woke up happy.
1536
01:32:17,038 --> 01:32:19,273
At night he came in from school
1537
01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:21,375
and the first thing he said
was, "Hey, Ma!"
1538
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:25,746
The other two kids were not
that way. They were more sober.
1539
01:32:25,813 --> 01:32:28,282
And if you said something
to them in the morning,
1540
01:32:28,349 --> 01:32:29,917
they were grumpy.
1541
01:32:29,984 --> 01:32:32,920
But he wasn't.
He was just very cheerful.
1542
01:32:53,808 --> 01:32:56,477
December 19, 1977,
1543
01:32:56,545 --> 01:32:59,313
which was her 17th birthday,
1544
01:32:59,380 --> 01:33:02,616
says, "Mom and Dad
got me a dress. I'm 17 now.
1545
01:33:02,683 --> 01:33:06,020
"It's hard to believe
next year I'll be 18."
1546
01:33:10,357 --> 01:33:12,960
After that, my mom had written,
1547
01:33:13,027 --> 01:33:17,465
"Ruth Ellen Shelton
never lived to be 18.
1548
01:33:18,899 --> 01:33:21,902
"I love you
and miss you so much."
1549
01:33:27,608 --> 01:33:31,445
You're supposed to find
the bad guys.
1550
01:33:31,513 --> 01:33:33,948
That's the way
the movie's supposed to end.
1551
01:34:47,454 --> 01:34:49,624
-See you, guys.
-'Bye.
1552
01:34:49,690 --> 01:34:50,958
'Bye, Danny.
1553
01:34:52,661 --> 01:34:53,694
Hey.
1554
01:34:57,698 --> 01:34:59,634
-How was your shift?
-It was good, man.
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