All language subtitles for Uprising S01 E02_track3_[eng]

[♪ record playing]

[Wayne Haynes] I started
to smell something, like, burning.

You got people screaming and shouting.
Everything's gone out.

There's no electric.
I can't see anybody.

I don't know what's going on.

[siren wailing in distance]

[Denise Gooding]
It all happened so quickly.

It was just thick, black smoke.

[George Ruddock]
People started to panic, right,

so even if you can get to a window,
people are pushing you back.

And it's panic.

I'm only 11, and I remember thinking
that I haven't even lived my life.

Do you know what I mean?

I've not even lived my life,
and now this is it.

And I just remember feeling my way
through the smoke.

Falling over, tripping up.

Scared. Really, really, really scared.

[Sybil Phoenix]
Why haven't Parliament said anything?

Children have been burnt!

Not West Indians, Black British!

That is what I want said!

They're burning our children!

[♪ theme music playing]

[indistinct chatter]

[car door opens, closes]

[doorbell ringing]

[knocking on door]

[doorbell ringing]

[Sandra Ruddock] About 8:30
that morning, my door went.

I answered the door.
There was two policemen at my front door.

And they said to me
that there'd been a fire

at 439 New Cross Road,

and that my husband
had been seriously hurt.

And he was in
Greenwich intensive care,

and I need to get there.

I had to pass the house
to get to the hospital,

and the flames
were still coming out of the roof.

And I was trying to get
out of the car because I,

for some unknown reason,

had blocked out
what the police officer had said to me,

and thought Paul was still there.

[phone ringing]

Even though it's 40 years gone,

to me, it's as if it happened yesterday.

[phone ringing]

The phone rang.

-[phone answers]
-And my husband picked it up.

He said it's Greenwich Hospital.

Rang in to say that Denise is in there.
She's got a burn.

So I'm saying,
"Well, how could she be in there?"

[debris shifting]

[Wayne] The fire brigade were now
in the house, poking around,

looking for bodies and whatever to see

which parts of the building
were ready to fall down.

The fire officer went round the back,
and it was him who found me

in the outside toilet, all broken up,

where I had smashed me hip
into a hundred-odd pieces.

[siren wailing]

[Andrew Hastings] I just couldn't
really believe it had all happened.

And the next thing I know,
I'm in Greenwich Hospital.

You know, I was probably classed
as walking wounded.

"You sit over there."

Paul was rushed off
into a cubicle somewhere.

[Sandra] I arrived at the hospital.

[monitor beeping]

And it was a bedlam. It was just
loads of people running around.

And then I saw Andy, and he took me
to the ICU unit where Paul was.

But on that way there,
kids lying on stretchers,

burnt till they were pink,

and the smell of burning flesh
will go to my grave.

[Richard Gooding]
You know, in the hospital at Greenwich,

it was just horrible.

I saw Denise in Greenwich.

When I saw her,
all of her hair was singed.

I must have just passed out
somewhere along the line

because when I woke up, I was...

Yeah, in-in Greenwich Hospital.

It was very confusing.

It was very scary.

It was just like waking up
in a completely different world.

It was just... crazy.

Denise, she just had a little burn
on her forehead,

but then I didn't know
where David or Andrew was.

Then the officer come
and she said to me,

"David is in King's College Hospital,

but we can't find Andrew yet."

[news reporter] This is all that remains
of the three-story house

where nearly a hundred
young West Indians were celebrating

at an all-night birthday party
for two young friends.

Just before 6:00 this morning,

the singing and dancing
gave way to panic

as flames shot through
the upper floors

and screaming teenagers
began to leap from the windows.

[man] And I just couldn't believe it.

I mean, it was just...

It was just horrific.

A girl and a boy,
they didn't really jump,

they just sort of fell
out of the window,

and instead of falling onto the grass,
onto the concrete,

they fell right down
into a basement section.

[Andrew]
Nobody knew where anybody was.

You know, my dad phoned up the police.

The police said,
'What's your son look like?"

So he said, "Well, he's white."

He said, "Doesn't matter,
they're all black now."

Charming.

I mean, the police were even
doubling up on themselves,

like, giving us information.

So one would come and tell us that
David was in King's College Hospital.

So then another one would come
and knock the door.

To tell us that David,
you know, is in hospital.

But just the fright of that would be...

We've already had
somebody come and tell us that.

So when they come
to tell us about David again,

my mom just thought that David had gone.

[Jim Munday]
My name's Jim Munday.

I was a member
of the Fire Investigation Unit

at the Metropolitan Police
Forensic Science Laboratory.

On the weekend that the fire occurred,
it was a very cold morning,

and I remember that there was
ice in the gutters from the firefighting,

the runoff water
from the fire appliances.

The fire was out, but the house
looked very badly damaged,

even from the street.

And when I first went into the property,
Peter and myself,

we started to document
the patterns of fire spread,

the way the fire
developed up the staircase.

The fire had started
within the ground floor front room.

It had actually spread very quickly,

once it left the front room.

So the people upstairs in that house
would have probably

initially been alerted
by an odor of smoke,

possibly shouts from downstairs,

and may have started
to make their way towards exits,

but before they could
really react very well,

the smoke would have been very hot,

would have reduced their
visibility to near zero within seconds,

and they would have inhaled the
fire fumes and succumbed very quickly.

I know that there was
a suspected petrol bombing,

an allegation of a petrol bombing.

[news reporter]
The party began at 11:00 last night.

Between 80 and 100 people
were there at its height.

Then at 6:00, there was a loud bang.

[Norman Lewis] I heard a great
loud bang and look across the road,

and there the house was on fire.

Not much smoke, flames.

[news reporter] So the fire followed
a loud bang and then spread very quickly?

[Norman]
Very much so, very quickly.

[George] My sister was dancing
with this guy all night called Frank,

and he had to get home at a certain time.

So my sister walked him to the bus stop

because the party
is winding down now.

So that's when the fire started.

She came back,
and the house is on fire.

She saw somebody
in a white car throw something.

So a lot of people believed it
was definitely a racist fire attack.

[news reporter] Have you
any idea what caused the fire yet?

[fire investigator] No, we have no idea.
We're keeping very much an open mind.

We have our forensic people in there,
and we hope that they will be able

to help answer that question,
perhaps later on today."

[news reporter] But it has been suggested
it may have been started deliberately?

[fire investigator]
Well, that's a possibility.

[news reporter]
Early reports said it was a 21st party.

Now it's known the party was held
to celebrate the 16th birthday

of Yvonne Ruddock, who lived there.

My name's Jackie Malton.

I was a Detective Sergeant
in the Metropolitan Police.

What we knew, there'd been a huge fire,

which had been the events of a party

held by Mrs. Ruddock for her daughter,
Yvonne Ruddock, who was 16,

and another family friend, I think,
called Angela Jackson.

[Angela Jackson]
She invited about 60 guests,

and I invited about 40.

[interviewer] Were you aware
of any trouble taking place in the party?

No.

Sometimes, we look back

with the knowledge
that we have in our minds today,

and look back in horror
about what happened way back then

to Black people and to prejudiced,

and where society was,
where the police were,

and the cultural differences.

And this was a party, for example,
that, you know, for teenagers,

started at 10:00 p.m. at night.

So that in itself, you know, 13-,
14-year-olds going out at 10:00 at night,

you know, for a party.

It was obviously loud,
a sound system and lots of people.

There were young teenagers
with drink available, etc.

Anyway...

Witnesses had seen a car
and a man go to the door,

and they'd seen his arm raised.

And we didn't know whether there was

a kind of projectile missile
that had been thrown in.

[Carl Wright]
Oh, I didn't see what he threw.

I didn't really see if he threw anything,

but as soon as he made that
third movement with his hand,

uh, the glass broke.

I heard glass break.

You're just building a picture

from a blank piece of paper.

[news reporter]
Those of you who've just joined us,

we're talking about the New Cross Fire.
The house...

[Gus John]
My name is Gus John,

and I was a member of the Alliance
of the Black Parents Movement,

the Race Today Collective,
the Black Youth Movement.

[man] I didn't actually
attend the party, but even...

[Gus] When I first heard of the fire,
I was in Manchester,

and to learn of so many people dying
was utterly devastating.

[news reporter]
Mrs. Ruddock was the second person

in the room after the blaze.

[Gus]
It was then that I was told

we were thinking of having
a meeting later that day.

I then left Manchester and drove to London
to join my colleagues.

[Sandra] There was a bomb.

I run to the front room,
and I saw the top of the armchair,

the curtains ablaze.

The armchair blew up and I ran out.

I can remember hearing
Mrs. Ruddock's interview.

Very painful to listen to.

[Sandra] I shouted for help.

Then I rushed to the back,
and it was completely in flames.

The smoke was jet black.

My knees went jelly,
and I still hear the screaming.

And I was shaking like a leaf.

My name is Juliet Alexander,

and in 1981, I was co-presenter of
Black Londoners on BBC Radio London.

Mrs. Ruddock maintains that
the fire was around the window,

possibly following an incendiary device

thrown through the window.

The feeling was that it had
been another racist attack.

Racist attacks were happening

on a daily basis in that area.

There had been a great amount
of far-right activity in Deptford.

They attacked the youth clubs.

They attacked the Albany Centre.

[news reporter] Three years ago,
the Old Albany Theatre was gutted by fire.

Places of entertainment for Black people,
including house parties.

Then there was another firebomb
at the Moonshot Youth Club.

[news reporter
On December the 14th, 1977,

the Moonshot Project was smoked out

of the old Mission Hall
in Pagnell Street, Deptford.

[Gus] Both literally a stone's throw
from 439 New Cross Road.

And so I remember the meeting
we had that Sunday evening,

and that is when we determined
that we would establish

the New Cross Massacre Action Committee.

You know, everyone was very clear
that something had to be done.

It was such a momentous event
that we just knew that

we just could not stand by
and not do anything about it.

And then of course,
going down and meeting the parents

and seeing the grief,
you'll never forget

just the level of grief that was
going on in the community at that time.

I can't see how we can ever forget it.

Maybe probably that person
is walking around, will still do it again.

The community was in
a state of complete and utter shock.

But the local police didn't
necessarily think of it

as anything unusual,
which was shocking.

I was night duty on the night
of the New Cross Fire,

and we could see the smoke
from Peckham, virtually.

By the time I got into night duty
the following day,

we knew a lot more of the details
about it then,

and there was already
a joke going around:

New Cross should be renamed "Blackfriars."

There was no outpouring of sympathy.
There was no shock.

It was all, "Well, you know, we've raided
blues parties. I bet it was like that.

Too many people in there.
Too many people smoking drugs.

They brought it upon themselves."

So, automatically, blame is being put
upon the people that were in there.

[monitor beeping]

[Sandra] Paul,
he'd breathed in lots of the fumes,

so his lungs were badly charred,

and so they decided to do
a tracheotomy on him

and put him down and put
the breathing tube straight into him.

That was the last time really
that we spoke.

While they were doing that,
he was screaming out my name.

[Ena Gooding] And the Monday,
I remember officer come to the house

and said, "Is Andrew home yet?"

And we said, "No."

[Armza Ruddock] Police had
taken me into the house next door.

And I said to him,
"What do you think caused the fire?"

And he said to me,
"It was a petrol bomb."

Met Mrs. Ruddock, I think,
at Sybil Phoenix's home,

and she kept reiterating
that it was a firebomb

that had been thrown
and set her curtains alight.

There was also talk of a cylinder
being found in the garden

by the police at that point.

[Jim] The petrol bomb theory,
at that stage,

one of the things that
we were trying to ascertain

was whether a projectile
had entered the room.

We took the decision fairly early on

that we would do a very detailed
excavation and examination

of all the debris,
whether anything was in that room

that shouldn't have been in the room,
but there was no petrol.

There were no remains of container glass.

There were no shattered
window glass across the room.

Typically, you find the neck
and the base of the bottle,

and the remains of the wick
stuck in the neck.

That's very common.
We didn't find any of that evidence.

We did lots of notes
and drawings and sketches.

Now, the front garden
had obviously been cordoned off

as part of the suspected crime scene,

and an item was found
in the front garden

which was considered suspicious.

It was a small aluminium tube.

It was rather like a cigar chew,

but when it was examined
at laboratory,

it was found that it had
some residue inside

which could have originated
from chemically incendiary mixture.

The problem was that
it wasn't fire-damaged.

The tube had not exploded.

But we didn't know whether
it was directly related to the fire.

We didn't know where it had come from.

So this item, whatever it was,
complicated matters

because no explosion had happened.

But it was not a normal thing to find
in a front garden of any house,

let alone a house
that had just had a fire.

But also, one of the other things
that was found

during the search of the front garden
was a picture frame,

which was identified
as belonging in that front room.

So this was conflicting evidence
to the petrol bomb theory

because the photograph frame
was found completely undamaged

and empty in the front garden,

which meant that somebody
must have removed it before the fire.

[news reporter] Tonight,
detectives are still trying to establish

just why a teenage party
should have ended so tragically.

The Monday evening,
the police changed their tune,

backtracking from their view
that it had been an incendiary device.

[Jackie Malton]
The investigative team were aware

that a firebomb was possible,

but there was nothing found
inside the house,

so there was no forensic evidence
that a missile had come through the house.

It wasn't there.

Secondly, it was discovered,

the man who went to the house
and drove off quickly,

he had seen the fire.

He stopped his car.

He ran to their house,
banged on the door or whatever.

I think the heat was so fierce,
that it kind of, he went like that.

He raised his right arm above his head
in a protective movement,

and possibly,

Carl Wright has got
this particular action mixed up

with what he described
as a a throwing movement.

[Richard] I was very angry.
I was very angry.

I was just thinking about, you know,
racial things that were going on.

You know, why would people do that?

You know, what even made me more,
more and more angry...

was when we got that letter.

I think this mail came in on a Tuesday,
I think it was,

and I thought, "Well, maybe,"

but then when I look at the mail,
it was saying,

"Oh, that was a great day
when all the niggers went up in smoke.

I hope this one that mugged my mother,
my grandmother," something so they say.

And how they went to the pub
and had a drink.

You don't know where your son is.

One in hospital.

You don't know, and somebody
could send a letter like that

to tell you it was a great day.

A copy of the first letter
which was sent out to the families.

They have the gall to do it
because the police are not attacking them.

That's why they have the gall to do it.

My mom received two death threats.

And one of them said that,
"I hope he dies in hospital."

When I was at Greenwich Hospital,

I was actually told
I would never walk again.

They wanted to amputate my leg.
I was 16.

Sixteen years old, you wanna
amputate my leg from my hip?

You might as well
have just killed me in that fire.

I had to get me a blind physio

'cause nobody else
wouldn't touch my burnt arms.

A third of my body got the worst burns.
Do you know something?

In order for you to see it,
I'll have to do...

I have to do this. Sorry.

Right, I was at Greenwich Hospital,
which is not a burns unit,

but because of my broken limbs,
they couldn't move me to the burns unit.

So now, while my burns have healed up,
I can't move.

So this physio comes in
in the mornings.

He can only feel what he's doing,
and he'd take my arm from this position,

and he go like this.

And the skin from here
to here used to tear

all along here.

My godmother
worked at the hospital,

and a couple of my aunts
used to work at the hospital,

and one of my aunts said that
she will not do day work anymore

because she can hear me
five wards down

when the physio comes in.

'Cause he literally
ripped my skin open every day.

[Leila Hassan]
We called a meeting on Tuesday,

and it was clear in everybody's minds

that the Black community
cannot just stand by

and allow this to happen to them.

My name is Michael La Rose.

In 1981,

I was, uh, part of
the New Cross Massacre Action committee.

People suspected it was a racial attack.

Relations with the police were not good,

and we couldn't trust the police
to do a proper investigation here.

[Jackie Malton]
Activists had got on to this first theory

about the guy throwing
a missile through.

But they seemed a little bit hellbent

on pursuing that that was the...

focus of what had happened.

You've got to think,
why do people like me,

and other people...

quite-- find it quite acceptable
that this is a racist attack.

Why--why is that?

Because that's the life
we lived at that time.

Right?

And it still has those possibilities now.

That's our lived experience.

And the experience
of the police investigations,

and police malpractice,
and police inefficiency,

is also our lived experience.

[Jackie Malton]
In terms of the National Front

and how they operated in London,

it was always dealt with
by Special Branch.

So, I can't sit here and say

that I was an expert on National Front

and what they were doing.

The Black community was really clear

that this was a fascist attack.

And we knew that the police
would be very very reluctant

to actually deal with that.

And so, feelings were running
extremely high.

[Michael La Rose] After the meeting,
we said we'd have a vigil

outside 439 New Cross Road...

and people stayed outside,

blocking the A2.

[Juliet Alexander]
We were dealing with trauma

in the community, real trauma.

But in terms of the media,

the media had moved on.

They were interested in
the release of the Iranian hostages...

[reporter]
The hostages are now leaving the plane.

They have all been given warm,
fur-lined anoraks to wear.

[Juliet Alexander]
They'd moved on.

They were interested
with the inauguration of Reagan

and with the New Cross Fire,

it seemed as if
this was news for a day,

and then not news anymore.

[Ena Gooding]
About three or four days after,

Inspector Dowling come up the house,

and said that, can he have
a room that he can speak to us.

[Richard Gooding]
My brother Andrew,

I remember Dad had to go and identify.

They said they--
they've got something of him.

They said he was lying on the bed,

and he had his coat on and everything.

[Richard Gooding]
Andrew was still a child.

And he was going to be 15,
in the February...

My dad went, and when he came back,

and he said he saw
the piece of his shirt.

At that time, I just remember,
I just shut myself in the toilet

because that was then I realized
that I would never see him again.

[Denise Gooding] I don't think
my parents told me straight away

and I remember, the hardest thing is ...

not-- you don't get to say your goodbyes,
do you know what I mean?

[Ena Gooding]
Andrew, I wanted to remember him,

growing up, and talking and laughing

and coming in the room,
and say, "All right, Mum."

When he come from school, he used
to sometimes make me a cup of tea.

Sometimes, he didn't even boil the kettle.

And I would come and say,
"But, Andrew, the tea is cold."

He would say,
"I thought I had boiled the kettle."

I want to remember him like that,

and if I am going in the street,

to the shop, he would
always say, "Mum, can I come?"

And that is how I wanted to...
you know, remember him.

[Jim Munday] Looking back,
it would have been wonderful if we'd been

able to point to something and say,
"Yes, it was a terrible accident."

But we couldn't.

During that first week, what we were
trying to do was to establish

where in the room, if we could,
that the fire had started.

We were able to
eliminate the electrical supply,

the electrical appliances,
the gas heater.

We looked at the possibility
of a cigarette,

but cigarettes take a certain amount
of time to build up.

During that period, it gives off
lots of smoke.

So the adults were in the kitchen,

they may not have been able
to see a fire,

but they would certainly been aware

that there was as smell of burning,

there was smoke coming from somewhere.

I've opened the front,
the front room door,

and you know there was...

there was one almighty blaze,
and that's all I can describe it as.

[Jim Munday] So we looked
at where the furniture was,

what furniture was there,

and what the activities of anybody

who could have been in that room were,
because we were getting feedback

from the police, from their interviews,

that there may have been people
in and out of that room at various times.

[Jackie Malton]
It was really hard to establish

the turn of events that happened.

It was complicated because there were...

young people talking about a fight.

Now what people were saying was,
there was kind of, you know...

arguments that were kind of going on,

and people had gone into the front room.

I can't remember any problems
at that--at that party,

music or otherwise.

Even the people standing in the passage

are having a happy conversation.

They are having conversation--
nobody having no beef.

You can only go on
what people are telling you,

but a lot of it was like teenage stuff.

There was lots of boys
that fancied the girls and...

lots of-- there was kind of
in-fights about whether

some girlfriend was chatted up,
all of that kind of stuff.

There was an altercation.

Not a fight.

Two men had a disagreement
in the passage over a girl.

It weren't no fight.

We know there was no fight,
everybody's told you there was no fights.

[Jim Munday] At that time,
one of the guiding principles

of fire investigation was that where
the lowest, most severe damage was,

was likely to be the area of origin
for the fire.

So, we had a lot of severe
low-level burning

in the center of the room.

There was almost a circular area
in the center of the room

where the carpet had been burnt away.

There was burning to
the exposed floor boards,

and that became an area
of great interest to us.

And samples were taken,

and the result indicated that
there were some components there

which were flammable.

So then the focus became for the police,

who could have entered the room

and started a fire with flammable liquid

in the middle of the room.

[news reporter] Police believe the fire
was started deliberately

and that paint thinner on the carpet
helped to spread it.

A girl has told police she and a friend
had spilled nail varnish on the carpet

and tried to clean it up
with paint thinner.

The forensic scientists,
I think, thought

that there was some form of accelerant
in the center of the room.

But I think later on, it was believed

that it started by
the side of an armchair,

not where the forensic scientists said.

[Jim Munday]
The problem was, that at the time,

fire investigation was
a relatively young science,

and I'm not saying we were wrong,

I'm saying that there was a limit
to what we knew and understood.

And I'm no longer of the view
that that's where the fire started.

But the fight theory,

a hypothesis was developed
among the police

that some kind of
altercation or scuffle had occurred.

Now, there were two armchairs,

one was much more badly damaged
than the other,

but the position of the remains didn't
match the protection marks on the floor,

which suggested to us,
this chair had been moved.

The big coffee table that should
have been in the middle of the room,

wasn't in the middle of the room,
there were no remains of it.

The photo frame that
should have been in the room

was outside in the garden.

All these things suggested that something
had been going on in that room,

And simultaneously, the police were
getting witness evidence from someone,

and I still don't know
where that came from,

that there had been
some kind of fight or altercation.

Now, I think later on, it was established
that that wasn't correct.

You can only go...

on what you're told.
You don't kind of think,

"Oh, shall we--
let's make up a fight,

let's say there was a fight."

We the police,
"Let's make it a fight."

The police make choices.

And they made a choice

about how they would
carry out that investigation.

You have a theory
that the fire started internally.

You therefore wanted to establish

who internally would have
a motive for starting the fire.

And people were being led
by particular forms of questioning,

particular lines of questioning,

to commit themselves
to saying all kinds of things

that they didn't even know about.

[Denise Gooding] The police came
shortly after I came out of hospital.

It was terrible,
it was horrible, it was scary.

It was scary,
it was not how I expected it to be.

It just seemed like they already
had their version of what...

they're saying happened.

You know, there was a fight,
there was this, there was a... table.

There was all this stuff,
that I didn't know what

they were going on about,
to be quite honest with you.

I'm just thinking--
and it went on for hours.

And I suddenly felt like
I was the guilty person.

Because what they were doing,
is they were saying,

"Well, other people said
they saw you here,

other people said that you were here.

So if other people are saying it,
then, it must be true."

So I thought, "Okay, that's fine.

This is what you want to hear,
that's what I am going to tell you."

[Leila Hassan]
Denise was 11 years old.

We were really taken aback that
they would take children into custody.

Although it wasn't called custody,
when you're asked to

go to the police station
and be interviewed by police,

you know, for a young--
in a young person's mind,

it is like being taken into custody.

So we were really shocked at the extent
to which the police were prepared to go

in order to negate
the racist attack theory.

[interviewer] What clues have you,
as to the motive for this fire?

[Commander Stockwell] I don't feel
that there is any, uh, racialism,

and neither do I feel that
there is any aspects

of any outside political extremism.

[interviewer] You're saying then
that the fire was started

by someone inside the party?

[Commander Stockwell]
No, what we do know is that

the fire would have been started
from inside the building,

as opposed to a projectile
coming through the window.

[interviewer] Could this
inflammable liquid have been brought in?

[Commander Stockwell]
Yes, it could have brought in.

There is also the possibility,
and these inquiries we are pursuing,

that, uh, somebody within the party

could have sprinkled this liquid around.

The police, they didn't like
the theory of it being a racist attack.

So, suddenly, the finger
was pointed at the partygoers.

And the media was
pandering to police prejudice,

vilifying the young people,

as if they somehow were involved
in this horrific fire.

[Leila Hassan] And so the public
meeting is called for the Sunday,

and I just remember it being
a huge public meeting.

And particularly from the neighborhood
in which they've come,

the Peckham New Cross neighborhood,

the young people there
were extremely, extremely angry.

People demanding that, you know,
"What are we gonna do?

We're not going to stand idly by."

[Jackie Malton] You're trying
to untangle the spider's kind of web.

Now, we would be neglecting in our duty

if we didn't look at that fight,

and say, "Could it have led to the fire?"

[Andrew Hastings] The police,
I think they come up with this theory

that there was a fight so

it wouldn't have been a racial thing.

And it would keep the lid on...

lid on the pot
that was about to boil over.

I was the fly in the ointment because...

I was the-- the White guy.

Their manner with me was, you know...

"Don't side with them,
you've got to side with us."

One day, police arrived,
knocked on the door and said,

"We'd like you to come down
for an interview."

As I sat in the car,

one of them turned round,
the one in the front passenger seat,

turned around and looked at me,

and he said, "How's a boy like you
get mixed up with these bunch of..."

using the N-word.

That, that put sort of
a shiver up my spine then.

[Sandra Ruddock]
The first couple of weeks,

I used to get up in the morning
and I used to go to the hospital.

Paul wasn't managing to breathe
without the respirator,

you know, and I just...
just rattle off things that...

my normal day.

[Andrew Hastings] He looks fine,
but he was connected to a ventilator,

and they said he's scorched his lungs,

and they said, "Unfortunately,
he's not going to make it."

The lungs will start to form scar tissue.

And once the lungs are scarred
to the point his lungs are scarred,

he will suffocate, and he's gonna die.

And then me and Sandra knew
that it was only a matter of time.

No, I didn't... I believed
he was gonna get better.

They lifted the sedation a little bit

so he would come round,
so that when I walked into the room,

and I'd say to him,
"Paul, it's me, are you awake?"

And he would blink his eyes,
or nod his head,

so he always knew when I was there.

Yvonne was in a different ward,
and I'd go and visit her

and at one stage, she was better--
she was sitting up.

She was talking.

They said that she was
recovering really well

and she'd be okay.

And then, um...

one night, in the middle of the night,

she tried to get out of bed,

and apparently fell,
and banged her head,

and re-hemorrhaged
and never survived.

I so miss her.

She was a really, really lovely girl.

My mum told me Yvonne died.

At that point I remember...

starting to ask my friends,
like my girlfriend Rosaline,

and my mum, and my aunt,
and they would say,

"Yeah... this one's all right
and that one is all right, and yes."

But nobody ain't mentioning Rosaline.

And I think it was about three weeks
after I came out of intensive care

before anybody told me
that Rosaline had died.

I had already found out by then
that most of my boys had died.

Gerry, Steve, Owen, Glenton.

I was still hooked up to
machines and whatever not.

And I just started tearing everything
out of my arms and everything.

I just didn't want to be here anymore.

I just wanted to die there and then.

[Sandra Ruddock] Paul passed away
the night before my birthday.

The day before my birthday,
the nurses actually got him to sit up

and semi-come round.

And he wrote my name on a piece of paper
and put kisses on it.

And then, that morning,
I got a phone call to say to go in.

Um, he was really weak.

It was about three o'clock
in the morning.

And, um, he died about
ten minutes after I got there.

And I was 22 years old that day,

and five months pregnant.

[♪ Randy Crawford:
"One Day I'll Fly Away"]

I think we'd had an argument
one Sunday afternoon,

and that record came on,

and he said,
"This suits us down to the T.

This is both me and you."

And, uh, yeah, it became
our signature tune, yeah.

Yeah, it was. Randy Crawford,
"One Day I Fly Away."

[♪ "One Day I'll Fly Away" continues]

[Denise Gooding] Everyone was
pushing through to get to the window,

get out of the window,
and I couldn't get out.

When I looked round again,
all thick smoke was inside the room

and I was coughing,
and I couldn't breathe or nothing.

[reporter] Denise Gooding
injured her back in the fall.

Her brother David was badly burnt
on the face, chest, and hands.

Their brother Andrew died in the fire.

[Denise Gooding]
For Andrew's funeral,

I remember having to have police escort,

and having police walking
in front of the hearse

because we were getting phone calls,

people saying,
"We're glad this has happened,

and we're going to bomb your funeral."

They're dead!
Do you know what I mean?

Why would you want to
cause more harm and destruction,

and that-- and you're
gonna hate another person

for the color of their skin? It's...

I couldn't get my head around that.

Think they had one police
on the street and one by the church.

I was so hurt and so--
grieving that, you know,

to me, anything could have happened.

I would not even--
I would not even care.

[reporter] Today,
the funeral was held in South London

of the last two victims
of the Deptford house fire

in which 13 young West Indians died.

Lewisham people turned out in force
to pay their last respects

to Yvonne and Paul Ruddock,
the organizers of the teenage party

which turned to tragedy.

[Sandra Ruddock] They was in the middle
of arranging Yvonne's funeral

when Paul died.

And so they were both
buried side by side.

I think I was just so totally numb.

I just remember being
escorted to and from a car.

[preacher]
On the great triumphant morning

when the dead in Christ shall rise.

I remember I fell to pieces.

I know I didn't stop sobbing
for about three days.

[people singing]

[Andrew Hastings] We were all
sort of standing round the grave.

Paul's mum, she was
standing next to me at the time,

and I sort of just put my arm round her
and gave her a bit of hug,

and then I--I know I was
looking over her shoulder,

I noticed that we were all
being filmed from a distance.

From a house.

Anyway, a few days had passed,

and I was contacted again by the police.

"What happened at the cemetery?

I said, "What you mean,
what happened at the cemetery?"

"Oh, you put your arm
round Armza Ruddock."

I said, "Yeah, she was crying.

I comforted her
because her son was being buried."

And I said, "And how'd you know?"

I knew how they knew.

[reporter] It was a horrific crime,
which stunned the Black community,

and their grief has turned to anger--

anger not only at those responsible
for the attack,

but also the police and the press.

Why is this investigation
proving such a difficult case?

I mean, what particular problems
are the police facing?

Well, when one is taking statements,
for instance,

from the youngsters that
were at the party that night,

one finds that you have to
check and recheck.

There were... contradictions...

in what people were saying.

And because of the clash
within people's statements

that weren't being cohesive,

there were reconstruction interviews
of a certain number of people

that were contradicting each other.

And we brought in a boy
called Robert McKenzie.

D.I. Kitchen, he said to Robert,

"We know there was a fight
in the front room, and you were there.

And he said,
"No, I wasn't there, I was upstairs.

Who was in the room, I don't know.
I heard some rumblings.

Owen told me he that
he had a fight with Erol Leber."

Well, police were saying, "There was
a fight in the room, weren't there?"

And I was saying, "No, what fight?"

And they were going, "Of course
there was a fight in the room."

And I, "I don't know nothin'
about no fight." And so...

they just, um, carried on saying.

"I don't know how it started.
I didn't see the actual fight.

Owen told me that he had a fight
with somebody else.

He said he was getting too feisty."

I think that means cheeky.

It started to get out of hand.

He went upstairs
and then told Wayne Haynes.

I have spoken to everybody that was
supposed to be involved in that fight

except Owen Thompson,
'cause obviously Owen died.

There was no fight!

And then we do say to him,

"For four hours you sat with us
and told us lie after lie after lie."

And he said most of it was true,
only about the fighting bit.

My generation to this day,
a lot of us,

do not talk to the police.

Because, in talking to the police
from back then,

our stories would always get
turned back on us.

When I was in the police station first,

and I kept denying it,

and the policeman showed me
a statement of a witness

for a different court case,

and he said that, unless I told him
what he wanted to know,

he'd charge me with that case right there.

We had no faith in the conduct
of the police investigation.

Our view was that the police
wanted to pin the fire

on members of the Black community

who were part of the party.

I think in the climate of the times,

attitudes were too polarized

and there were individual police officers

whose attitude left a lot to be desired,
as far as I was concerned.

One of the issues
that I remember, actually,

was that we were looking
at some statements.

The people who'd been questioned

had been giving their answers
in street slang.

And I didn't have a clue
what they were talking about,

so I asked the interviewing police officer
what these answers meant,

and he said, "Well, I don't know."

And I said,
"Well, why didn't you ask them?"

And he said, "Well, I asked them
the question. That's what they told me."

How are you?
Good. Listen...

[vintage narrator] So far,
the police haven't made any arrests,

and now the Black community
are starting their own investigation.

[man] Hello, I'm calling up from
the New Cross Massacre Action Committee.

The New Cross Massacre Action Committee
headquarters

are the Race Today Collective offices,

based in Brixton.

How many are coming?

I'm one of the people
who's coordinating...

Two or three?

We were absolutely determined

to quickly get statements
from the youth,

which counteracted
what they had told the police.

Given the British press
and how it was at that time,

we felt the police and the press
had really colluded.

Generally at the time,
there was a campaign

to try and really make us feel that

what we were putting forward
wasn't true,

and that maybe we were partly to blame.

[news interviewer]
Who do you think did it?

I believe somebody from the Right.

[news interviewer] You have no evidence
of that, though, have you?

I don't need...

You have no evidence
in this particular case.

I am not a detective.

What I do have is an experience
of this country

and a knowledge of the Right.

So, deadlock.

Police say that forensic evidence
is scientific.

On the other hand,
the Black community tend to believe

the testimony of Mrs. Ruddock
and what she saw.

When I went in, as I said,
I saw the blaze at the window.

The police have gone in with one motive...

and the New Cross Fire Committee
has gone in with another motive,

and to me it seems the motives were,

they gotta get one up on each other,

not... not about sorting out
who killed these kids, or why.

There was just a lot of hate,
at that time, it seems.

Very tense.

Very tense.

But I'll tell you this...

that every one of us,
every one of us,

tried our hardest to get
to the bottom of it

and to find out how that fire

was started, and who did it.

But it is in an atmosphere of...

tension and hatred and distrust.

Uh...

[distant traffic]

And, in retrospect,

I don't think, probably...

that that argument or fight had
anything to do with the fire whatsoever.

But it was massive at the time.

But, intrinsically, I don't think
it had anything to do with it.

[news reporter] Within
three minutes of the fire starting,

the lights had gone out,
and 700 terrified teenagers

were struggling for the windows and doors.

Eyewitnesses said the fire started

behind the canvas screen to the side
of the main dancing area.

[vintage narrator 2]
Leading figures and public bodies

throughout the country
have issued messages of shock

at the tragedy and sympathy
with the relatives,

and messages from outside included
telegrams from Queen Elizabeth of England

and the British premier.

[Michael La Rose] The Queen
had sent condolences to a fire in Ireland

and said nothing at all to the parents

of 13 Black children
who were killed in London.

No matter who started the fire,

that particular incident really
riled people up a lot--

people like my dad, John La Rose.

The Queen herself sends a telegram.

The Prime Minister sends a telegram.

But this outrage in the heart of London,

the Prime Minister says nothing,
Parliament says nothing,

you have misleading reports
in the radio and television.

What is that?
That's a state of barbarism!

[news reporter]
Buckingham Palace have announced

the engagement of Prince Charles
and Lady Diana Spencer.

The wedding is expected to take place

at Westminster Abbey in the summer,

but no date has yet been announced.

[Gus John] We didn't feel
that Britain owned that tragedy

as something that had happened
to a section

of itself.

The State saw us as a race apart,
a people apart.

We did not matter.

Mrs. Thatcher, when she finally did
express sorrow

at what had happened, wrote
her letter of sympathy to Sybil Phoenix,

the community leader,
and not to the parents themselves.

So, that just added again
to the view that, really,

Mrs. Thatcher, the government,
the authorities just did not care.

Yes, because we think to ourself,

had it been white kids,

she would have been
on the television or the radio

and sent her sympathy.

So, it showed that she didn't care.

We as Black people are saying,

why haven't Parliament said anything?

Children have been burnt.

People like myself have been
standing up and saying

that it's not West Indians,

that they are Black British!

So I feel that the British public
is reacting

by burning our children out
so there can't be any Black British!

That is what I want said!

They're burning our children!

[John La Rose]
Mrs. Ruddock has lost her last child--

she's lost her-her first child.

We will reply by our anger

on the Black People's Day of Action...

on Monday, the 2nd of March, 1981.

My name is Linton Kwesi Johnson.

The Black People's Day of Action
was the most powerful expression

of Black political power
that this country has ever seen.

The Day of Action itself, it was

a gloomy day, rainy day.

But people came
from all over England,

from Manchester, from Birmingham,
from Liverpool.

[Gus John] From Moss Side,
Preston, Sheffield, Leeds.

People came because they wanted

to send a message that this
wasn't just a London affair.

[Alex Wheatle] Everyone now realizes
that we're under attack,

from everywhere.

From the government,
from the police,

from National Front.

Everyone was in this,
and we had to defend ourselves.

[♪ Johnny Osbourne:
"13 Dead and Nothing Said"]

[Linton Kwesi Johnson]
So, a day of action said

Black people in Britain
were no longer prepared

to be marginalized.

[♪ "13 Dead and Nothing Said" continues]

[Michael La Rose]
We thought, can't just be a normal march.

We've got to make an impact.

We said, "We've got to stop
the working day."

It's got to be a weekday.

[protestors shouting]

[Leila Hassan]
We wanted to disrupt London.

That was what we said.
We wanted to make our voices heard,

and the only way to do it

was to march through London

and disrupt as much of London
as we could.

[Michael La Rose] One of the things
I always remember is when we hit Peckham,

the young kids started clambering
over the school gate.

[child] Keep on rockin'
every day, as I would say.

[♪ vocalist sings reggae song]

And, as we went,
the march just got huge.

[♪ reggae song continues]

[Gus John] There were banners
with the names of the children,

their faces.

[♪ reggae song continues]

[protestors chanting]
Murder! Murder! Murder!

Murder! Murder!

[♪ reggae song continues]

[Gus John] The march
was historic in the sense that,

for the first time that anybody
could remember,

there were over 20,000 people
marching through the streets of London

on an ordinary working day.

So, nobody could fail to see us.
I mean, that was the point.

[Leila Hassan]
Parents were at the front of the march.

They're not going to do
the full route of the march.

The decision has been
that they will leave with John

to hand in petitions and delegations.

[reporter] Can I just ask you where
you're going and what you're gonna do now?

We are going first
to the House of Commons.

Freedom!

What do we got? Oppression!

...to know that, right? For some,
I know, a white man didn't do it.

-We're together!
-Is this important?

Important?

More than important, brother.
This is the beginning, not the end.

[Juliet Alexander]
This Day of Action was just amazing.

You had everybody there.

You had older people, young people,
church people, community leaders,

all marching to the same beat
of the drum,

to send a loud message across the country,

saying, Enough.

[Leila Hassan] On the march,
through the march, as we're marching,

you do feel that this is
the Black insurrection.

You really felt that this
was our Civil Rights moment,

this was our March on Washington.

[Denise Gooding] I picked it up, I think,
from when it came from Camberwell.

It was charged. It was good.

Everybody was, like, together.

We was all supporting each other,
and it was-- it was good.

[Wayne Haynes] If nothing else,
that march made a change

for lots of people of color
in this country.

I wanted to be there.
I asked the doctors if I could go.

My arms are not even bloody healed.

I was asking the doctors if I could go.

[chanting] Black people
united will never be defeated!

Black people united
will never be defeated!

[Alex Wheatle]
The Day of Action, I joined it

just before they crossed
Blackfriars Bridge.

And I walked to meet the march.

There seemed to be this gathering momentum

about this sense of it
being a racist attack,

and we all believed that.
I still do. I still do.

And when I approached Blackfriars Bridge,

I could hear it from Waterloo.

The mass of people.

I thought, "Wow, I've never seen that
amount of Black people in my life."

It was just a mass
as far as you could see.

And I noticed from that point on,

the police became more oppressive.

I think it freaked them out.

It seemed like they were expecting
some kind of battle.

We carried on down the road
towards Blackfriars Bridge.

And, as we went down,
some reports came in

of some scuffling at the front.

[camera shutter clicking]

[woman screams]

[indistinct shouting]

[camera shutter clicking]

[Michael La Rose]
There was a police line across the road

that was stopping the march.

[Alex Wheatle] I really don't think
they wanted us to cross the bridge.

It was like we was coming now
into the heart of London,

the heart of corporate London.

That is where the tension
really racked up.

...right here to regroup!

To find to our utter surprise

a cordon of police officers

in riot gear standing

across the entrance to the bridge.

We found that particularly disturbing
because the route of the march

had been agreed.

[blows whistle]

[Russell Proffit]
The Battle of Blackfriars Bridge

was a sort of battle of wits.

They wanted us to turn round.

We were not--
we were gonna go forward.

[Gus John]
It was a really tense moment

because the police decided
they had enough people there

to resist, but they didn't.

And so there were scuffles,

and that was the ugliest moment
in the whole march,

caused by the police themselves.

If they had allowed the march to proceed

as had been agreed,

there would have been
no Battle of Blackfriars Bridge.

[George Rhoden]
And, as a police officer,

that day, when we arrived down there,

I just thought it was gonna be
an ordinary march

coming across Blackfriars Bridge.

And then, next thing, I saw
a senior office running down, shouting,

"Strap down your helmets!
Strap down your helmets!"

And all I could see was a sea

of people just coming over the bridge.

Went, "Wow! This has gone out of control."

And then some person
ran straight towards me

and then kicked me
straight in the groin area.

"What's it like to be a Judas?
Why are you on this march?

Why are you a police officer?"

I didn't realize to what extent

and how deep the feeling
of the community was.

[Gus John]
It was determined that the march

would actually go to Fleet Street,

because they wanted to send a message to

the media about their reaction
to the fire.

The media were

running the police line,

that it wasn't a racial attack,

it's these people
trying to stir people up.

[protestors shouting]

The tensions certainly built.
I even started to hear

vocal abuse
from upstairs office windows, and

I remember looking up and hearing shouts

and people were shouting
racist expletives.

[chanting]
Racists! Racists! Racists! Racists!

[Leila Hassan] This is when the mood
of the demonstration actually changes,

and people, from the windows,

you could see them
starting to catcall us and boo us.

[protestors shouting]

[Michael La Rose]
And the Cavendish Street incident,

some youths wanted to take advantage,

but the stewards quickly helped stop it.

[man]
Back in the line!

We want an orderly demonstration!

[protestors chanting]

[Linton Kwesi Johnson]
The Black People's Day of Action

made the ruling classes
sit up and take note of the fact

that we had the power

and we were able to mobilize that power.

Today, Black groups staged
a protest march to Blackfriars Bridge.

Twenty people were arrested
after scuffles on the bridge.

There was more trouble in Fleet Street

and New Cavendish Square
in the West End.

With a march of this magnitude,
with the feeling as it is,

it would be a miracle
if there weren't any flare-ups in it.

[news reporter]
I think some people, though,

must have been exceedingly frightened
by what happened.

I don't know who they were.
I wasn't frightened.

I would like to be able
to achieve the slogan

that most of the marchers raised today:

Freedom from all the oppression,

freedom from the kinds of manipulations

that governments
have been carrying on with us.

[Juliet Alexander] I think there's
a cynicism when it comes to the way

the media reports on Black issues.

It was almost as if the emotion
that was being felt

was alien to the media.

It was almost as if the media
didn't equate feelings and emotion

and loss and hurt and pain
with Black people.

[Linton Kwesi Johnson] The response
of the press was disgraceful:

the usual racist coverage.

[Linton Kwesi Johnson, reciting poetry]
Instead of raising the alarm

Make the public no wha' gwan

Plenty paper print pure lie

To blind Joe public eye.

And the police, them plot and scheme

Confuse and conceal

Me hears-a even the poor parents
of the dead them try for use

But you know,
in spite of them wicked propaganda

We refuse to surrender
to them ugly innuendo.

[Wayne Haynes]
We felt like we'd been attacked,

racially.

We felt like we'd been
attacked by the government.

We felt like we'd been
attacked by the police.

So, yeah, of course we were angry,

and of course there was
gonna be a backlash.

I'm just angry that you still ain't
found no answers.

I just want to know why.

Why is my life being curtailed?

Why have their lives been cut short?

In my eye-mind, all I wanted answers to

was why, how, and who.

And just for someone to say
they're sorry.

[♪ end theme music playing]