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-These are stories
of the saints.
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John the baptist was born
to be a holy messenger.
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His mother, elizabeth,
was descended from aaron,
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Who was the brother of moses
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And the first priest
of the israelites.
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His father zechariah was
a levite, a descendant of levi.
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He assisted the priests
in worship.
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So john knew his scripture
and he knew religious practice.
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[ speaking native language ]
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-Amen.
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-Do you remember last week
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When we were on our way
to the temple?
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When we saw the sadducees?
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-Yes.
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-Out of our way.
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Move.
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-The man dropped
the money on the ground?
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-Yes.
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-Was that evil?
-Oh, yes.
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-Was it as evil
as old king herod?
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-That was a greater evil.
Far greater.
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But he and the new herod
are edomites.
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The converts to our faith.
-Converts?
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-By the point of the sword.
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They are not the descendants
of abraham like us.
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So we can only pray that their
wisdom and compassion increases.
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-What made the sadducees evil?
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Which commandment did
they not follow?
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-The first -- you
shall worship no god but me.
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-What god were
they worshiping?
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-Themselves?
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-If you thought they did evil,
then why did you smile at them?
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-As a sign of respect.
We are levites.
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These men oversee the temple.
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-How can holy men do evil?
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-The torah tells us it
always crouches in the doorway.
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-But I still don't understand.
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You thought they did evil.
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Then why did you smile at them?
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-The world of jerusalem,
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In the years
when john came of age,
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Was just boiling over
with political
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And spiritual tensions.
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I mean,
there was widespread distrust
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Of the jewish power structure,
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In particular
the aristocratic sadducees.
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People thought they were
too accommodating to the romans.
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Distrust of the
roman appointed tetrarch,
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Or regional ruler herod antipas,
was even greater.
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John searched for a path.
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But a path to what?
Knowledge?
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Enlightenment?
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Truth?
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All of those things at once?
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He'd been trained
to serve in the temple
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And ritualistic
and ceremonial functions,
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But he walked away from it all.
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Searching for a higher truth
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Which would be untainted by
corrupt political calculations.
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There were others who had staked
out a different spiritual path.
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They were shunning the cities
and the temple worship
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And just retreating
to the wilderness.
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-Good evening, brother.
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-Good evening, brother.
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-The essenes lives
communally
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Near the caves of qumran.
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And, of course,
they're thought to have been
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The authors
of the dead sea scrolls.
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-You look hungry and thirsty.
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-I thank you, brother.
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-I have no food to offer you.
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-I have some of my own.
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(coughs)
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-Many thanks.
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Where are you coming from?
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-Jerusalem.
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-I see.
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But where are you already
traveling to?
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-I don't know.
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(sighs) I don't know.
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-You've walked away
from something, then?
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-It seems that
it's towards something.
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I'm the son of a levite,
zachariah,
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But he's been gone
for some time now.
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He and, uh, my mother.
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-Oh, yes.
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So you're levite.
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Would you follow
your father's way?
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-No.
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To be among the sadducees
and the pharisees
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Breaking bread with the romans?
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No.
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No. I'll have to find
another way.
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-By going into the wilderness,
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You are saying yes to god.
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As far as the scholars,
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All men with authority and power
become tangled.
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Their words, their actions,
their thoughts.
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-Do you live out here
on your own?
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-I live with my friends.
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My brothers.
We all left as well.
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Just like you.
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We choose to wait for
the messiah here in the quiet.
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-The messiah?
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Have you or your friends
had a revelation of his coming?
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-No.
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We just share the belief
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That it's right to leave
our lives in waiting for him.
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-Some preach
that he'll come soon.
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-People can believe
what they like.
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We just devote ourselves
to his calling.
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Would you like more water?
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-At this period,
in the long history of judaism,
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Belief
in the coming of the messiah
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Was a bedrock of the faith,
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A human messiah,
descendant of king david,
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A warrior who would
redeem the jewish people
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And restore the monarchy.
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That's what the people
were waiting for.
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(jugs clink)
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-Woman, there's nothing
to be afraid of.
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Do you hear me?
I'm not a roman.
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-Are you a tax collector?
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-I'm not.
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Look at me.
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-You need to bathe.
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-Yes, I suppose I do.
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When you reach the edge
of the jordan's waters,
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Go and stand in the river.
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-What's that you're saying?
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-That's what
the lord told joshua.
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-Who's joshua?
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-An ancient prophet.
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He led our people
after moses had gone to god.
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-You're a learned man?
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-I'm a levite.
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Or I should say, my, uh,
my father was.
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-Tell me, why would
the tax collectors pursue me?
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I'm a widow with children.
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I keep them hidden away.
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What would the tax
collectors want with me?
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The romans?
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No, the jews.
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They're collecting taxes
for the temple
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They say to us, sent by herod.
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-Herod, the edomite king?
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The hypocrite!
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-Be careful.
They're everywhere.
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-Don't be afraid.
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-What's your name?
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-I'm not going to tell
you my name or my town.
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Tell me.
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You think the messiah is coming?
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-I don't know.
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-It's what everyone says
when I ask.
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You know,
my greatest wish is that
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The messiah will
come in my lifetime
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And lead us to freedom again.
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-Yes.
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-Let me help you with that.
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-I'm fine.
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How will I know the messiah
when he comes?
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-I don't know.
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-He'll like
every other man, they say.
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-I don't know.
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-I wonder what will make
him different.
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-We'll know when he's among us.
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Let me help you with that.
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-Goodbye,
and don't forget to bathe.
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??
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-Was the traditional messiah
what people actually needed?
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Or did they really
need comfort and love?
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??
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For people who can't wait,
who need comfort now,
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Who live among men
who call themselves holy
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And who ignored them,
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Well, how long could
they wait for the messiah?
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Days?
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Months?
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Year?
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What would it do
for them to wait endlessly?
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??
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??
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The answer was that they didn't
have to wait for the messiah.
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He was already here somewhere,
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And john felt he would help
to call him forth.
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??
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-Repent.
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Turn back to god.
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His kingdom is here.
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Repent.
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The kingdom of god is here!
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Repentance!
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The messiah is among us!
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Come and be baptized
in the river jordan and repent.
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-What are you going on about?
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-You're scaring the fish away.
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-What are you doing, brother?
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Why are you standing
in the jordan?
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-God's kingdom is here.
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And I'm --
I'm proclaiming the news.
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Come.
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Be baptized and repent.
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Come.
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??
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-So, you are the messiah?
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-(laughs)
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I'm not!
I'm not the messiah!
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I'm here to announce
the news of his coming!
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Yes!
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That's my purpose.
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Come.
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??
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??
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-Ritual bathing and immersion
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Was an ancient jewish practice
of purification.
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And it was very much
a part of the levi tradition.
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So, naturally, john called
on people to be baptized
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As an act of repentance.
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-The foul stench of evil
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In jerusalem comes from
the palace of the edomites
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Convert tetrarch, who does
the bidding of the romans.
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Herod antipas is
a common adulterer,
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Married to his brother's wife
with a harlot for a daughter.
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He's no better
than his evil father.
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He and his horse claim
to be jews,
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But they live in violation
of our laws.
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??
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-I've come to be baptized.
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-Have you now?
-Yeah.
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-Why?
To repent?
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-No. Really?
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-Tell me.
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Are you elijah?
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Are you the messiah?
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-Vipers!
You and your whole generation!
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You walk with all this pride
and this pomp among us.
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So proud to be descendants
of abraham.
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You came to be baptized?
You --
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You came to be baptized?
Okay.
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??
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-Blasphemy!
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-A cry of blasphemy
from you?
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Viper!
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-Blasphemer!
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Come to the temple to worship.
270
00:16:51,329 --> 00:16:52,996
This man is not what he claims.
271
00:16:53,066 --> 00:16:56,801
-This man is a levite
and he's a man of god.
272
00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,776
-I'm preparing the way
for another.
273
00:17:01,849 --> 00:17:03,415
The one who's coming,
and I'm not even fit
274
00:17:05,005 --> 00:17:07,606
To tie the straps
of his sandals.
275
00:17:10,081 --> 00:17:13,082
And neither are you,
nor your brethren.
276
00:17:14,422 --> 00:17:17,023
Now get out of these waters
so that these men and women
277
00:17:17,095 --> 00:17:18,327
Can be baptized.
278
00:17:18,364 --> 00:17:20,097
-Don't be a fooled
279
00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:22,684
By this blasphemer!
280
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:24,422
-Don't listen to him.
It's worthless.
281
00:17:24,491 --> 00:17:27,659
Look at him.
Dressed like a beggar.
282
00:17:27,698 --> 00:17:29,998
-And look at you.
-(laughs)
283
00:17:30,035 --> 00:17:32,169
Dressed like a prince.
284
00:17:32,306 --> 00:17:38,961
??
285
00:17:39,036 --> 00:17:41,970
??
286
00:17:55,383 --> 00:17:57,116
-Ah.
287
00:18:07,406 --> 00:18:09,506
-Your highness.
288
00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:15,133
-And...?
289
00:18:15,204 --> 00:18:18,071
-We need to alert you
to something.
290
00:18:18,175 --> 00:18:21,543
-Alright, alert me.
291
00:18:21,582 --> 00:18:23,982
-There's a man named john.
He's a levite.
292
00:18:24,053 --> 00:18:25,652
Born to the old man
zacharias --
293
00:18:25,723 --> 00:18:28,907
-Don't tell me a tale.
Alert me.
294
00:18:28,913 --> 00:18:31,680
-This man john has gone
to the wilderness --
295
00:18:31,751 --> 00:18:33,017
-Get to the point.
296
00:18:33,087 --> 00:18:34,719
-He's standing
in the jordan river
297
00:18:34,757 --> 00:18:38,258
And baptizing our people.
298
00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:40,163
-Baptizing?
299
00:18:40,233 --> 00:18:42,066
-Ceremonial cleansing,
300
00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:44,104
But of anyone
who stands in the line.
301
00:18:44,174 --> 00:18:45,690
Anyone.
302
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,227
It doesn't repent
and prepare
303
00:18:48,266 --> 00:18:50,432
For the coming of the messiah.
304
00:18:50,502 --> 00:18:51,935
-So?
305
00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:54,106
Aren't the streets
and alleys
306
00:18:54,210 --> 00:18:59,246
Lined with preachers
who say this and that?
307
00:18:59,286 --> 00:19:01,619
-He preaches against you.
308
00:19:01,723 --> 00:19:04,441
-What does he say about me?
309
00:19:04,513 --> 00:19:08,381
-That you're an adulterer.
-And?
310
00:19:08,453 --> 00:19:12,054
-That you married the woman
who divorced your own brother,
311
00:19:12,126 --> 00:19:15,528
And that her daughter is
a harlot?
312
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,800
-Where is this man?
313
00:19:17,888 --> 00:19:20,555
-He preaches by the river,
queen herodias.
314
00:19:20,626 --> 00:19:23,560
-I'm salome.
315
00:19:23,632 --> 00:19:26,299
Here's my mother.
316
00:19:26,303 --> 00:19:31,139
-Ask pardon of my wife
and our daughter.
317
00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:32,778
-I'm sorry.
318
00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:35,800
-Your pardon is accepted.
319
00:19:35,871 --> 00:19:38,238
-This is trouble.
320
00:19:38,275 --> 00:19:41,310
I can't have my wife and
our daughter spoken of that way
321
00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:43,048
To the people of jerusalem.
322
00:19:43,118 --> 00:19:46,770
-They're coming from
all over judea to be baptized.
323
00:19:46,825 --> 00:19:49,292
-I will send word
to the romans.
324
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:55,317
??
325
00:19:55,391 --> 00:20:00,994
??
326
00:20:01,068 --> 00:20:07,472
??
327
00:20:07,514 --> 00:20:13,468
??
328
00:20:13,508 --> 00:20:19,145
??
329
00:20:19,185 --> 00:20:25,239
??
330
00:20:25,314 --> 00:20:29,516
??
331
00:20:29,621 --> 00:20:31,321
-Baptize me.
332
00:20:31,459 --> 00:20:35,961
??
333
00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:38,368
-You're the one
who should be baptizing me.
334
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:43,625
??
335
00:20:43,699 --> 00:20:47,600
??
336
00:20:47,672 --> 00:20:49,172
-Is this good?
337
00:20:49,309 --> 00:20:55,547
??
338
00:20:55,620 --> 00:21:00,273
??
339
00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:06,617
??
340
00:21:06,691 --> 00:21:08,324
What else can be said?
341
00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:15,686
-Nothing.
Nothing else can be said.
342
00:21:15,725 --> 00:21:17,525
So much needs to be done.
343
00:21:17,561 --> 00:21:22,064
??
344
00:21:22,171 --> 00:21:23,704
-Goodbye.
345
00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:28,410
??
346
00:21:28,449 --> 00:21:32,301
??
347
00:21:32,372 --> 00:21:33,972
-Goodbye.
348
00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:39,179
??
349
00:21:39,252 --> 00:21:44,422
??
350
00:21:44,496 --> 00:21:50,216
??
351
00:21:50,356 --> 00:21:56,194
??
352
00:21:56,267 --> 00:22:02,772
I have come
to baptize you with water.
353
00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:05,764
But this man
who's now among us...
354
00:22:08,174 --> 00:22:12,342
He'll baptize you with fire.
355
00:22:12,415 --> 00:22:18,252
??
356
00:22:18,393 --> 00:22:20,293
??
357
00:22:20,397 --> 00:22:23,448
-In his heart,
john must have instantaneously
358
00:22:23,552 --> 00:22:25,085
Seen and felt jesus.
359
00:22:25,122 --> 00:22:27,856
Who and what he was
was wholly different
360
00:22:27,927 --> 00:22:31,629
From the common idea
of the messiah.
361
00:22:31,735 --> 00:22:34,636
John was a man out
of the old jewish world
362
00:22:34,706 --> 00:22:37,974
With a righteous belief
in justice.
363
00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,030
He stood firm and unwavering.
364
00:22:41,102 --> 00:22:44,904
But jesus brought another force
to the world,
365
00:22:44,976 --> 00:22:49,578
The force of comfort,
a forgiveness
366
00:22:49,651 --> 00:22:53,052
Of redemption,
of love.
367
00:22:53,124 --> 00:22:57,310
??
368
00:22:57,432 --> 00:23:00,317
-I'm the one
they call the baptist.
369
00:23:00,388 --> 00:23:02,155
My name is john.
370
00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:08,166
Take me to see herod.
371
00:23:15,166 --> 00:23:17,433
(fire crackling)
372
00:23:26,954 --> 00:23:29,005
-You're john the baptist?
373
00:23:31,146 --> 00:23:32,812
-I am.
374
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:50,027
-Why are you looking at me
like that?
375
00:23:52,469 --> 00:23:54,969
Turn your head away.
376
00:23:55,041 --> 00:23:56,874
That's a command.
377
00:24:03,707 --> 00:24:06,841
-The only commands
I answer to
378
00:24:06,879 --> 00:24:08,479
Come from god.
379
00:24:09,952 --> 00:24:12,853
-We both worship the same god.
380
00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:22,554
-There's only one god.
381
00:24:22,659 --> 00:24:25,293
I have no time to spare.
382
00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:27,731
-You'll have all the time
in the world
383
00:24:27,835 --> 00:24:31,303
If you only do one thing,
recant.
384
00:24:31,375 --> 00:24:34,409
Then you can walk out of here
a free man.
385
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,700
-Recant what?
386
00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:42,240
-The column you spread about me
and my wife and daughter.
387
00:24:44,083 --> 00:24:47,251
-I have no time for you
or your freedom
388
00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:50,589
Or your horse!
389
00:24:50,661 --> 00:24:53,078
-You die for that.
390
00:25:01,999 --> 00:25:06,401
-And I live in the light
of the one who's come,
391
00:25:06,441 --> 00:25:08,241
Who's here.
392
00:25:29,217 --> 00:25:32,919
-I've come to offer
you another chance to recant.
393
00:25:32,957 --> 00:25:35,757
-I told you already
I have no time for you.
394
00:25:35,796 --> 00:25:37,429
No time.
395
00:25:37,465 --> 00:25:42,118
-I will decide
how much time you have.
396
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,926
-You brought your concubine
to look at me.
397
00:25:44,963 --> 00:25:46,630
-Who is that?
398
00:25:46,699 --> 00:25:47,632
Is that a baptizer?
399
00:25:47,735 --> 00:25:49,201
-Be quiet.
400
00:25:49,272 --> 00:25:51,272
To say such a thing
in my daughter's presence
401
00:25:51,309 --> 00:25:53,142
Means that you'll suffer.
402
00:25:53,212 --> 00:25:55,946
-Your words mean nothing
to me, herod.
403
00:25:55,984 --> 00:25:57,550
-Scourge him.
404
00:25:57,620 --> 00:26:01,138
-You'll kneel and grovel
before the one who's among us.
405
00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:06,048
-Who is this man
you keep speaking of?
406
00:26:12,431 --> 00:26:13,831
Scourge him.
407
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:15,450
(whip cracks)
408
00:26:21,332 --> 00:26:23,799
-Our daughter must be avenged.
409
00:26:23,836 --> 00:26:25,836
-I will decide who's
to be avenged.
410
00:26:25,907 --> 00:26:29,141
-He called her a whore
and a concubine.
411
00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:31,146
And he called me a whore.
412
00:26:31,184 --> 00:26:33,467
And he's right here
in our prison.
413
00:26:33,505 --> 00:26:36,906
-Yes.
-Is your spine made of jelly?
414
00:26:36,978 --> 00:26:39,445
Why are you disgracing yourself
and your family?
415
00:26:39,516 --> 00:26:42,583
How much longer are you going
to let this filth stay alive?
416
00:26:42,655 --> 00:26:46,523
-I will decide who's
to be avenged and when!
417
00:26:46,529 --> 00:26:53,350
??
418
00:26:53,425 --> 00:26:58,928
??
419
00:26:59,002 --> 00:27:04,806
??
420
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,097
??
421
00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:09,701
Baptist, come here.
422
00:27:09,772 --> 00:27:15,275
??
423
00:27:15,349 --> 00:27:19,818
??
424
00:27:19,891 --> 00:27:25,678
??
425
00:27:25,718 --> 00:27:29,053
I've come to reason with you.
426
00:27:29,142 --> 00:27:32,193
I recognize
that you're a man of god.
427
00:27:32,231 --> 00:27:36,800
You and this man
you keep telling me about,
428
00:27:36,873 --> 00:27:41,526
Now I know his name because
others are talking about him.
429
00:27:41,565 --> 00:27:45,667
Jesus of nazareth.
430
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:48,407
He hasn't spread any lies
about me,
431
00:27:48,461 --> 00:27:50,311
But you have
432
00:27:50,382 --> 00:27:52,565
And people have listened to you.
433
00:27:52,653 --> 00:27:55,153
And I've offered you
the chance to live
434
00:27:55,224 --> 00:27:58,242
If you would simply just recant.
435
00:28:00,918 --> 00:28:05,354
Because, as you can see,
I'm reasonable.
436
00:28:07,264 --> 00:28:11,566
So I don't understand.
Why are you so harsh with me?
437
00:28:11,605 --> 00:28:17,125
-Because you're a hypocrite
before god.
438
00:28:17,198 --> 00:28:18,664
Because you speak one way
439
00:28:20,104 --> 00:28:24,573
And you act another way
before god.
440
00:28:28,186 --> 00:28:30,069
Because your right hand
is kept from seeing what
441
00:28:30,106 --> 00:28:31,706
Your left hand is doing.
442
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,914
-I don't understand.
443
00:28:36,953 --> 00:28:42,690
Herod, there's no --
there's no time.
444
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:45,781
You have to justify
yourself now before god or --
445
00:28:45,886 --> 00:28:48,620
Or you'll be flattened by
other lesser sinners stampeding
446
00:28:48,724 --> 00:28:50,524
On the road to hell.
447
00:28:50,595 --> 00:28:53,296
You're afraid of me
and those who follow me.
448
00:28:55,637 --> 00:28:56,736
I'm nothing.
449
00:29:01,816 --> 00:29:03,799
But the one
I've paved the way for...
450
00:29:04,638 --> 00:29:08,473
He-- he's the one
you should fear.
451
00:29:10,498 --> 00:29:15,918
I baptize with water,
but he'll --
452
00:29:15,992 --> 00:29:19,310
He'll baptize with fire.
453
00:29:19,382 --> 00:29:23,784
Not the fire
that burns your miserable skin.
454
00:29:23,824 --> 00:29:25,490
The fire of truth.
455
00:29:25,593 --> 00:29:28,461
The fire -- the fire of love.
456
00:29:43,077 --> 00:29:45,344
(chuckles)
457
00:29:47,017 --> 00:29:49,517
(upbeat music playing,
people cheering)
458
00:29:49,589 --> 00:29:55,810
??
459
00:29:55,850 --> 00:30:01,621
??
460
00:30:01,694 --> 00:30:06,931
??
461
00:30:07,005 --> 00:30:13,860
??
462
00:30:13,934 --> 00:30:19,671
??
463
00:30:19,712 --> 00:30:26,533
??
464
00:30:26,608 --> 00:30:33,113
??
465
00:30:33,187 --> 00:30:40,025
??
466
00:30:40,067 --> 00:30:46,455
??
467
00:30:46,528 --> 00:30:53,033
??
468
00:30:53,074 --> 00:30:58,144
??
469
00:30:58,218 --> 00:31:04,172
??
470
00:31:04,245 --> 00:31:10,249
??
471
00:31:10,323 --> 00:31:12,356
??
472
00:31:12,427 --> 00:31:14,928
You're driving me mad
come here.
473
00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:21,052
??
474
00:31:21,194 --> 00:31:24,028
??
475
00:31:24,099 --> 00:31:25,398
What do you want?
476
00:31:25,435 --> 00:31:27,118
Anything, I promise.
477
00:31:27,205 --> 00:31:31,107
Anything.
Just tell me what you want.
478
00:31:31,213 --> 00:31:32,879
-His head.
479
00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:34,232
-Who's head?
480
00:31:34,268 --> 00:31:37,903
-The baptizer's on a platter.
481
00:31:37,942 --> 00:31:39,942
(music, cheering continues)
482
00:31:40,012 --> 00:31:45,616
??
483
00:31:45,689 --> 00:31:49,291
??
484
00:31:49,397 --> 00:31:52,014
-Baptizer,
get down on your knees!
485
00:31:52,085 --> 00:31:58,122
??
486
00:31:58,196 --> 00:32:04,601
??
487
00:32:04,642 --> 00:32:06,108
-My god!
488
00:32:06,244 --> 00:32:11,298
??
489
00:32:11,405 --> 00:32:14,973
I've made the road straight
and smooth
490
00:32:15,045 --> 00:32:17,445
For the one who's come.
491
00:32:32,762 --> 00:32:36,897
??
492
00:32:49,676 --> 00:32:54,812
??
493
00:32:54,853 --> 00:33:01,708
??
494
00:33:01,749 --> 00:33:06,752
??
495
00:33:06,825 --> 00:33:07,990
-(grunts)
496
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:09,761
(head thuds)
497
00:33:09,831 --> 00:33:11,997
??
498
00:33:12,035 --> 00:33:14,919
(mid-tempo music playing)
499
00:33:14,991 --> 00:33:21,796
??
500
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:28,708
??
501
00:33:28,817 --> 00:33:30,133
(music stops)
502
00:33:30,202 --> 00:33:35,606
??
503
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:41,383
??
504
00:33:41,457 --> 00:33:48,011
??
505
00:33:48,053 --> 00:33:51,454
??
506
00:33:51,526 --> 00:33:53,893
-What's to become of me?
507
00:33:53,964 --> 00:34:00,034
??
508
00:34:00,075 --> 00:34:06,696
??
509
00:34:06,838 --> 00:34:13,709
??
510
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:19,721
??
511
00:34:19,761 --> 00:34:26,416
??
512
00:34:26,491 --> 00:34:31,727
??
513
00:34:31,768 --> 00:34:37,822
??
514
00:34:37,896 --> 00:34:43,366
??
515
00:34:43,439 --> 00:34:48,943
??
516
00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:50,950
-I always found it
very interesting
517
00:34:51,054 --> 00:34:53,504
Because of the difference
between jesus sense
518
00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:55,575
Of the spiritual
and john the baptist
519
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:57,679
Sense of the spiritual.
520
00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:00,284
This is a great mystery I always
felt between the two of them,
521
00:35:00,355 --> 00:35:01,954
And so it's very special.
522
00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:04,626
He immediately recognizes him
at the river jordan.
523
00:35:04,696 --> 00:35:07,697
And jesus' sense
of spirituality is love.
524
00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:10,687
The baptist is preaching
something else,
525
00:35:10,757 --> 00:35:12,557
And I think this is
the crux of it.
526
00:35:12,628 --> 00:35:14,294
-Repent.
Mm-hmm.
527
00:35:14,364 --> 00:35:16,130
-Repent.
-Repent, metanoia,
528
00:35:16,234 --> 00:35:18,601
Which is a kind of thoroughgoing
change of mind and heart.
529
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,539
We usually think of repentance
530
00:35:20,609 --> 00:35:22,242
As being just being sorry
for your sins,
531
00:35:22,312 --> 00:35:25,146
But it's really a whole change,
a whole reorientation.
532
00:35:25,218 --> 00:35:28,136
Even christians today wonder
why is jesus getting baptized?
533
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,106
-Yes.
-Why is the sinless
534
00:35:30,144 --> 00:35:31,710
Son of god getting baptized
535
00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,048
When john is preaching
a repentance of sins?
536
00:35:34,118 --> 00:35:36,652
And I think you see a little bit
of the interchange there?
537
00:35:36,756 --> 00:35:39,190
-Well, he says to him, I
shouldn't be doing this for you.
538
00:35:39,227 --> 00:35:40,493
You should be doing it for me.
539
00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:42,730
-John the baptist
did baptize jesus,
540
00:35:42,801 --> 00:35:44,951
And it confused people,
probably, even back then.
541
00:35:44,988 --> 00:35:46,588
But what I like to think
542
00:35:46,658 --> 00:35:48,959
Is that jesus is really
immersing himself even more
543
00:35:48,996 --> 00:35:51,630
In humanity by standing in line
with the rest of the people
544
00:35:51,667 --> 00:35:53,601
And getting baptized
545
00:35:53,671 --> 00:35:57,106
And showing his desire
to inaugurate the reign of god.
546
00:35:57,178 --> 00:36:00,796
-Well, I also think
that it's jesus sanctioning
547
00:36:00,835 --> 00:36:03,335
John the baptist,
giving he credibility.
548
00:36:03,439 --> 00:36:04,572
-Yeah.
-He's a real baptist.
549
00:36:04,641 --> 00:36:07,843
-Yeah.
-I always wondered about
550
00:36:07,914 --> 00:36:10,682
Jesus starting his ministry,
551
00:36:10,787 --> 00:36:13,588
Because there are those
long lost years
552
00:36:13,658 --> 00:36:15,525
And then this is the moment.
553
00:36:15,596 --> 00:36:18,180
And we think of it
as this grand moment,
554
00:36:18,284 --> 00:36:20,684
And yet it's a little river.
555
00:36:20,789 --> 00:36:23,824
So, you know, it's not vast
and endless.
556
00:36:23,861 --> 00:36:25,828
-Although, it's a very symbolic
river, you know?
557
00:36:25,865 --> 00:36:28,432
-Of course it is.
-Salvation to the people
558
00:36:28,503 --> 00:36:29,969
And redemption and journey.
-Joshua.
559
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,939
-Joshua.
-Yup.
560
00:36:31,008 --> 00:36:32,708
-And so he knows
what he's doing.
561
00:36:32,811 --> 00:36:34,694
John knows what he's doing
at the jordan.
562
00:36:34,799 --> 00:36:37,466
I think it's wonderful that
the gospels say all of jerusalem
563
00:36:37,537 --> 00:36:39,270
Comes out to see him.
564
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:41,541
And so he -- he himself would
have been a very popular figure.
565
00:36:41,645 --> 00:36:43,144
-And this was at a time,
566
00:36:43,214 --> 00:36:46,715
It was an apocalyptic
conversation was going on,
567
00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:50,772
Was threaded through daily life
in a way.
568
00:36:50,845 --> 00:36:56,149
-So jesus is divine and human.
He has religious desire.
569
00:36:56,222 --> 00:36:58,122
You figure he's jesus.
570
00:36:58,192 --> 00:37:01,059
He's going to be attracted
to the rituals of religion.
571
00:37:01,131 --> 00:37:03,865
Baptist is coming
to that bank of the jordan.
572
00:37:03,903 --> 00:37:05,736
He's feeling it.
He wants to be there.
573
00:37:05,806 --> 00:37:08,390
And the same desire
that those of us
574
00:37:08,461 --> 00:37:10,228
Who were drawn to this stuff
feel,
575
00:37:10,298 --> 00:37:14,467
To think that jesus felt that
himself, to me, really powerful.
576
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:16,473
-I like to think
at the baptism,
577
00:37:16,543 --> 00:37:19,010
God stood in line with everybody
else and...
578
00:37:19,082 --> 00:37:20,681
-Pick a number.
-Taken up his place.
579
00:37:20,751 --> 00:37:23,535
And his -- his message
is -- is much more fiery
580
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:24,906
Than jesus' message.
581
00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:26,542
-I was going to say
in my mind,
582
00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:28,178
It always had a sense
of violence to it.
583
00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:30,549
-But also
that he was more impulsive,
584
00:37:30,587 --> 00:37:35,489
That jesus,
just in how he addresses people,
585
00:37:35,562 --> 00:37:38,997
Is -- is -- has a discipline.
-He answers sideways, yeah.
586
00:37:39,069 --> 00:37:40,501
-It's parables.
587
00:37:40,555 --> 00:37:42,522
It's getting people
to question things.
588
00:37:42,592 --> 00:37:44,258
It's poetic things.
-It's telling stories.
589
00:37:44,362 --> 00:37:47,063
It's telling stories
instead of lecturing.
590
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,934
-The thing with john is
that somebody had to hear him,
591
00:37:49,004 --> 00:37:50,771
So he had to yell.
-Yeah.
592
00:37:50,841 --> 00:37:52,775
-He had to be that voice
crying in the wilderness.
593
00:37:52,878 --> 00:37:55,578
But that brought jesus
and that changes.
594
00:37:55,617 --> 00:37:57,500
-Was john one of those people
595
00:37:57,570 --> 00:37:59,103
Who wanted to topple
the roman authority?
596
00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:01,107
-I would think
ultimately we'd be going there,
597
00:38:01,211 --> 00:38:03,378
And it was a perfect time
for him to attack herod.
598
00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:06,249
Because herod -- those guys
were put in place by the romans.
599
00:38:06,287 --> 00:38:08,119
-I know.
-You know?
600
00:38:08,124 --> 00:38:10,057
It was a puppet government
to the jewish population
601
00:38:10,127 --> 00:38:11,059
And jewish religion.
602
00:38:11,129 --> 00:38:13,629
What?
You know, get them out.
603
00:38:13,734 --> 00:38:14,950
Attack!
-And his bluntness.
604
00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:16,619
-Yeah.
-He's the final expression
605
00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:18,923
Of a kind of zealous,
angry mood of prophecy.
606
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,560
-Right.
-But also understanding
607
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:22,464
What was going to go down
608
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:24,133
With herod and salome
and all of that.
609
00:38:24,237 --> 00:38:26,871
-Oh, you say it so casually,
salome and all of that.
610
00:38:26,942 --> 00:38:28,475
-All of that.
Well, the reality --
611
00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:30,896
All of that was that
his time was up.
612
00:38:30,966 --> 00:38:32,933
-John's time.
-John's time was up,
613
00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:34,135
And he knew it.
-He's in prison,
614
00:38:34,206 --> 00:38:35,639
Not going to get out.
615
00:38:35,709 --> 00:38:37,141
-He ain't -- he's
not getting out of there,
616
00:38:37,211 --> 00:38:39,311
And he knew that this was
what his fate was
617
00:38:39,415 --> 00:38:41,315
For the new covenant.
618
00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:42,652
-I mean, we're not talking about
his head on a platter.
619
00:38:42,722 --> 00:38:44,154
Are we -- are we avoiding this?
620
00:38:44,224 --> 00:38:45,890
-No, it's my next question.
-Okay, go ahead.
621
00:38:45,961 --> 00:38:47,577
No, it's my next question.
-No, no, it's you.
622
00:38:47,664 --> 00:38:49,313
-We're always
fascinated by the question
623
00:38:49,418 --> 00:38:55,155
Of what drove salome to ask for
john's head on a platter.
624
00:38:55,228 --> 00:38:56,795
Was it really herodias?
625
00:38:56,831 --> 00:38:59,231
It's always been
rather obvious to me.
626
00:38:59,303 --> 00:39:02,805
Rather than being frightened
of the man as a as a holy man
627
00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:04,326
And this sort of thing, no.
628
00:39:04,396 --> 00:39:08,231
As it is, herod,
he's not completely jewish.
629
00:39:08,302 --> 00:39:11,904
He already is someone who
doesn't have the right to rule.
630
00:39:11,977 --> 00:39:13,943
He's put there by the romans.
-Right.
631
00:39:14,013 --> 00:39:17,648
-And this man is not only
provoking, he's attacking.
632
00:39:17,687 --> 00:39:19,754
-Yeah.
-He's got to go.
633
00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:22,275
-And my sense is that herod,
out of a sense of pride,
634
00:39:22,346 --> 00:39:25,180
You know,
having promised to salome,
635
00:39:25,284 --> 00:39:28,652
I'll do whatever you tell me and
then is kind of put on the spot.
636
00:39:28,691 --> 00:39:31,191
Ironically, the man
who likes to listen
637
00:39:31,296 --> 00:39:34,364
To john the baptist ends up,
through his pride, I think,
638
00:39:34,468 --> 00:39:35,868
Through his kind of
sinful pride eliminating him.
639
00:39:35,972 --> 00:39:37,788
-I think his pride.
Yeah, his pride.
640
00:39:37,858 --> 00:39:39,958
-And she's detected in him
this weakness.
641
00:39:39,995 --> 00:39:43,330
The man of power,
his weakness is that he has
642
00:39:43,368 --> 00:39:46,269
An admiration for his critic,
john the baptist.
643
00:39:46,341 --> 00:39:48,141
And she spots that
and she's going to --
644
00:39:48,227 --> 00:39:50,478
-And maybe that's what she's --
that's really good.
645
00:39:50,549 --> 00:39:51,782
-Yeah.
It could undo everything.
646
00:39:51,852 --> 00:39:52,884
-And remember,
his father ordered
647
00:39:52,987 --> 00:39:54,703
The massacre of the innocents.
648
00:39:54,806 --> 00:39:56,206
So they have no trouble
in that family,
649
00:39:56,277 --> 00:39:57,509
You know,
with getting rid of people
650
00:39:57,546 --> 00:39:58,611
That are going to be threatened.
651
00:39:58,681 --> 00:40:00,014
-Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
652
00:40:00,050 --> 00:40:01,716
-I also find it interesting
that john,
653
00:40:01,786 --> 00:40:03,219
Who was a leader
in his own right,
654
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:06,324
Is able to take second stage
to jesus,
655
00:40:06,428 --> 00:40:08,061
Which I think is very beautiful.
656
00:40:08,165 --> 00:40:10,532
I was doing a bible study
in a prison years and years ago.
657
00:40:10,553 --> 00:40:12,052
And I said to the inmates,
658
00:40:12,122 --> 00:40:13,889
"do you think it was hard
for john to step back?"
659
00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:15,792
And one guy raised his hand
and said, "no,
660
00:40:15,863 --> 00:40:17,363
Because he was a man of god."
661
00:40:17,399 --> 00:40:20,066
And the other guy raised
his hand, true story,
662
00:40:20,137 --> 00:40:21,837
And said, "yes, it was hard
because he was human."
663
00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:23,841
And I thought that that
was really an interesting --
664
00:40:23,912 --> 00:40:26,012
-Well, I believe it was hard
for him to step back,
665
00:40:26,082 --> 00:40:28,032
But I actually got the
impression was that there was
666
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:30,002
A real split at one point,
667
00:40:30,073 --> 00:40:33,073
And there was almost
a jealousy of...
668
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,246
-Rival factions
-...Rival factions
669
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:36,716
In the groups, yeah.
670
00:40:36,752 --> 00:40:39,419
That jesus was baptizing
more people than he was.
671
00:40:39,523 --> 00:40:41,323
-Well, there's a little
of that in the gospels
672
00:40:41,394 --> 00:40:45,212
When you see the consistent
sort of quotes from john
673
00:40:45,252 --> 00:40:48,086
In all the gospels, I
must decrease, he must increase.
674
00:40:48,190 --> 00:40:50,857
I'm not worthy
to untie his sandal straps.
675
00:40:50,928 --> 00:40:52,861
Why are you --
why are you coming to me?
676
00:40:52,932 --> 00:40:54,432
And I think a lot
of the new testament scholars
677
00:40:54,536 --> 00:40:56,169
Say that around the time
that the gospels were written,
678
00:40:56,238 --> 00:40:58,739
There were still followers
of john around.
679
00:40:58,776 --> 00:41:00,176
-That's what I mean.
680
00:41:00,246 --> 00:41:02,330
Wow, there were still
followers of john?
681
00:41:02,401 --> 00:41:04,000
-That's really interesting.
682
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:06,570
-And so there's a conscious
effort in the gospels
683
00:41:06,625 --> 00:41:09,509
To play up, you know,
which john probably said,
684
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:11,113
The humility of the baptist
685
00:41:11,183 --> 00:41:13,450
To show you know who's
in charge now, right?
686
00:41:13,521 --> 00:41:15,020
This is the messiah,
687
00:41:15,091 --> 00:41:17,742
And john is really
his forerunner.
688
00:41:17,779 --> 00:41:19,729
-Right.
-So it's just -- it's just --
689
00:41:19,783 --> 00:41:20,782
-Yeah, but there's still
some followers saying,
690
00:41:20,885 --> 00:41:21,951
No, we prefer john.
691
00:41:22,054 --> 00:41:23,420
He has the right idea.
692
00:41:23,456 --> 00:41:25,456
-Get rid of the romans.
-Take the tree down,
693
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:26,893
Kill the romans.
Kill the romans?
694
00:41:26,963 --> 00:41:28,295
They're not
going to get away with that.
695
00:41:28,365 --> 00:41:30,732
I mean, it's a major empire,
you know?
696
00:41:30,803 --> 00:41:32,636
I think
there was still some die--
697
00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:35,124
Die-hards, so to speak.
-Die-hards.
698
00:41:35,228 --> 00:41:36,961
-Well, there are,
I mean, you know --
699
00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:38,598
They're all die-hards.
700
00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:41,602
-If you favored -- if you
favored john's way, right?
701
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,975
If you favored john's way,
what are you going to make of,
702
00:41:45,047 --> 00:41:46,480
You know...
-Blessed are the meek.
703
00:41:46,583 --> 00:41:47,482
-Or a god who was
crucified?
704
00:41:47,585 --> 00:41:49,084
-I mean, really, yes.
705
00:41:49,155 --> 00:41:51,272
-Or god who says,
turn the other cheek.
706
00:41:51,308 --> 00:41:53,075
Our god who says, who lives
by the sword, dies by the sword.
707
00:41:53,145 --> 00:41:54,645
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-So certainly,
708
00:41:54,748 --> 00:41:56,815
Though the messiah
that they got, jesus,...
709
00:41:56,919 --> 00:41:57,818
-Was not
-...Was a surprise
710
00:41:57,921 --> 00:41:59,387
To most people.
711
00:41:59,458 --> 00:42:01,891
-Exactly.
-He's still a surprise to me.
712
00:42:01,962 --> 00:42:04,429
-He's a big surprise.
-A big surprise.
713
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:06,567
-I agree.
-Yeah.
714
00:42:06,635 --> 00:42:11,755
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715
00:42:11,824 --> 00:42:17,795
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716
00:42:17,830 --> 00:42:23,133
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717
00:42:23,269 --> 00:42:29,323
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718
00:42:29,391 --> 00:42:36,296
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719
00:42:36,332 --> 00:42:43,253
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720
00:42:43,322 --> 00:42:50,160
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721
00:42:50,229 --> 00:42:56,600
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722
00:42:56,669 --> 00:43:03,490
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723
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:10,464
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724
00:43:10,499 --> 00:43:16,453
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729
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